Carbon tax will inspire people's revolt: Abbot

[ownoiz]

Gillard is working for the banksters trading houses, as are all of the politicians on both sides.

Turnbull was head of Goldman Sachs australia.

Abbott is a Rhodes scholar, like Bill Clinton, Bob Hawke and many other leaders.

Aboott is just telling people what they wanna hear, that is his "role", to play opposition.

But the intentions are to pass these laws, on both sides of politricks.

And statements from Gillard such as "this will make people use less of it" are absurd and false in many areas of business where there are no alternatives.

i dont see any viable mainstream energy alternatives in the transport industry for example, Trucks cant run on air or solar panels, as far as what is "declassified" anyways.

And almost every good we buy has to go through the transport chain which is mostly trucks here...pushbikes, rainbows and Bob Browns pretend green love arent going to get peoples food from the docks or the farm to the supermarket.

And of course once carbon begins to be traded, the trading houses will clean up, Goldman Sachs being one of them.
.

[nosferatu_dj]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin

Carbon tax 'could create thousands of jobs'

By David Mark
Updated 4 hours 17 minutes ago
Launching report today: Independent MP Tony Windsor (Getty Images: Cole Bennetts, file photo)

• Video: Carbon price to create jobs: report (ABC News Breakfast)
• Audio: Carbon price could create 34,000 jobs (AM)

A new report says a price on carbon could create 34,000 new jobs in the renewable energy sector in regional Australia over the next two decades.
The report, by the Climate Institute, was launched this morning by independent MP Tony Windsor, just days after he helped the Prime Minister announce plans for a price on carbon by July next year.
Last week, Mr Windsor would not commit to backing a tax, but he says he is keen to generate a discussion on renewable energy.
"For many years now I have sort of been preaching a gospel I guess that there are enormous opportunities, particularly for country people, but for the nation generally, in terms of renewable energy," Mr Windsor said.
"I think we've had, irrespective of who has been in government, a hotch-potch of policy mixes that really haven't driven the agenda in a positive sense."
Climate Institute chief executive John Connor says a price on pollution coupled with the renewable energy target would lead to thousands of jobs in every state in the solar, wind, geothermal, hydro and natural gas industries.
But that employment growth comes at a price. The Climate Institute is using models that show cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 15 per cent by 2020 would need a price on carbon of $36 a tonne.
Cutting emissions by 25 per cent would need a higher price again.
"You'd have to have a starting price in 2012 of around $50 [a tonne]," Mr Connor said.
Mr Windsor says even though he is launching the report advocating a price on carbon of at least $36 a tonne, it does not mean he now supports a tax and in that price range.
"It means that I support a discussion on the issue of climate change and I think what they're doing here, in a quite legitimate way, is an economic way of identifying some of the drivers that could drive some of these changes," he said.
"They don't necessarily have to be driven through an emissions trading scheme or a price on carbon. They can be driven through better policy."

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin

Shorten insists carbon tax won't be scary

Updated 5 hours 17 minutes ago
Cutting emissions: Bill Shorten says Labor has outlined a timetable and will consult. (Steve Roe, file photo)




The Federal Government says as more details emerge about how its carbon price will work, the Opposition will find it harder to scare people.
Labor frontbencher Bill Shorten has defended the Goverment's decision to release a plan for putting a price on carbon without saying how much it will cost and who will be affected.
He told ABC TV's Q&A audience last night that the Government has outlined a framework.
"We've outlined a timetable and we're going to talk to people," he said.
"As more details emerge, it'll be harder to scare people, which is what the Coalition is trying to do."
Opposition frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull is in favour of emissions trading schemes, but says the Government does not have a climate change policy.
"We don't know what industries are going to be covered, what the price will be," he said.
Appearing on the Q&A panel, Mr Turnbull again expressed concerns with his party's policy for cutting carbon emissions.
In 2009, Mr Turnbull lost the Liberal leadership because of his support for emissions trading.
The Coalition then adopted a policy of using a tender process to pay industries to cut back on carbon emissions.
Mr Turnbull says that process involves picking winners.
"There is always a risk when governments are making decisions like that that there will be fiscal waste," he said.
"If it is well audited and well run, well, there won't be that waste."
Earlier, Mr Turnbull had told the BBC he thinks a scheme agreed to between the Greens and Labor would be extreme and economically damaging.
"Just because somebody like myself is in favour of a market-based mechanism of putting a price on carbon, [it] doesn't mean I'm going to support any variant on that theme," he said.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...28/3151077.htm

Leaders continue to trade insults over carbon tax

By Tim Leslie
Updated Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:27pm AEDT
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott maintained his attack on Prime Minister Julia Gillard over her reversal on a carbon tax. (AAP)

• Video: Abbott vows to abolish carbon tax (7pm TV News NSW)

The proposed carbon tax has again dominated Question Time, with both sides trying to paint the other untrustworthy on the issue.
The Coalition today staked its clearest opposition to the Government scheme yet, with leader Tony Abbott announcing he would scrap the legislation if elected prime minister.
Mr Abbott maintained his attack on Prime Minister Julia Gillard over her reversal on a carbon tax, unsuccessfully attempting to censure her for "a breach of faith with the Australian people".
"This house demands the Prime Minister first seek a mandate from the people before introducing her carbon tax, which is set to destroy jobs, damage our economy and hurt families at a time when there is no global low-emissions agreement," he said.
"Let us remember the words of the Prime Minister, words that will haunt her every day of her political life: 'There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead'."
But Ms Gillard has branded Mr Abbott's stance "the most reckless political position in the last 15 years", saying he is only interested in playing politics with the issue.
"The Leader of the Opposition has had five different positions on pricing carbon. There is no principle in anything he says to the Australian people or to this Parliament," she said.
"He said, and I quote, about climate change: 'I don't think my assessment of the science or the policies really changed that much. I think all that really changed was my assessment of the politics of the issue'."
And she has again accused the Opposition of running a scare campaign over the scheme.
"So few facts are in this, that every day a Liberal Party spokesperson uses a different figure," she said.
"What this should be reinforcing in people is day by day, they just go out there and make things up to try and create fear in the community. No facts, no principles, just a perspective about creating fear."
But the Nationals leader, Warren Truss, says comments by the Greens show petrol will be a part of the scheme.
"I refer the Prime Minister to the statement by the Member for Melbourne on Friday that the agreement that we have reached has transport included in a carbon price mechanism," he said.
"Has the Greens Member for Melbourne been more honest with the Australian people than the Prime Minister by at least admitting the Greens have forced her to include petrol in her carbon tax?"
Ms Gillard was forced to publicly reprimand Greens Senator Christine Milne over the issue, saying that area is still up for negotiation.
"Decisions will be worked through by the Government and in the Multi-Party Climate Change Committee about sectors of the economy that carbon price will apply to, including whether or not it will apply to petrol," she said.
"It was inappropriate [for Senator Milne] to make those statements when those decisions and discussions were yet to come."

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...28/3150553.htm

Abbott promises to ditch carbon tax

By Tim Leslie
Updated Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:47pm AEDT
Repeal promise: Tony Abbott campaigns against the tax in Sydney on Sunday (AAP: Miles Godfrey)

• Audio: Carbon price could create 34,000 jobs (AM)
• Audio: PM Gillard talks to 891 Breakfast about the implications of the new carbon tax (ABC Adelaide)

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has confirmed the Coalition will repeal the Government's carbon tax if it wins the next election.
The Opposition has been on the attack over the tax since Prime Minister Julia Gillard announced it on Thursday, but until now had stopped short of saying the Coalition would repeal the scheme.
This morning, Opposition frontbencher Andrew Robb told reporters the Coalition would scrap the tax if it won the next election.
A short time later, Mr Abbott repeated the promise.
"Our position on this is the same as our position on the mining tax, we will oppose it in Opposition, we will rescind it in government," he said.
"If the Coalition wins the next election you can be absolutely confident there will be no mining tax and no carbon tax," he said.
Mr Robb said the Coalition would keep the issue front and centre until the next election.
"Julia Gillard has promised not to do this, and now, having formed a Government, she's now doing it," he said.
"There'll be no chance for people [to have a say], or there will be at the next election - because if we get in we will scrap it."
The Coalition has been using Ms Gillard's statements when she ruled out a carbon tax before the election to accuse her of breaking a key election promise.
This morning Ms Gillard compared her carbon tax deal with the Greens to John Howard's negotiations with the Democrats to pass the GST.
"[John Howard] went to the election promising a Goods and Services Tax, [but] the parliament the people gave him meant he had to negotiate to get it through the Senate. He sat down and he negotiated with Meg Lees," she told ABC radio.
"That was John Howard working with the parliament the Australian people had voted; I am doing the same thing."
But Mr Robb described Ms Gillard's claims that the make-up of the new parliament gave her a mandate to impose the tax as a cynical political exercise.
"With the GST John Howard went to an election, and he took a lot of skin off, a lot of members lost their seats, it was a very close election, but he got a mandate at an election," he said.
Mr Robb said the tax would not help the environment, and said middle income earners would be slugged with $1,000 a year in costs from the scheme.
"They'll make a big song and dance about the first year or two of compensation for low income earners, but it will come off quickly and the whole economy will have the weight of this tax forever more," he said.
And Mr Robb said he was confident Malcolm Turnbull, who lost the leadership campaigning for an ETS, would fall into line with the rest of the party.
"We're a team, so you have to take the view of the majority," Mr Robb said.
"The overwhelming majority of the party room are violently opposed to this new tax and I'm sure Malcolm will ... run the party line and do it effectively."

[oiram]

Lets see & hope that all Australians can workout what all this Scam is really about & clearly points to?

If not you will be totally f..cked & will be written with a big F

Public revolt & Revolution is the aim & the targeted is the NWO End Game ..... Home run & 100% controlled by the Zionists Pigs which are looking for a new Home right now!

The time has come to get off the Piss my Ozi friends! Lets hope there will place 150% Hoaxed carbon taxes on all you're Alcoholic products ......

Here are my Hints:

The two Key-Codes for the anti Human & pro NWO Banker Cabal is:

1) Problem, Reaction, Solution Profit for the Elites & Banking Cabal!

2) Destroy the Family, Race, Religion & all Nations structures to achieve there NWO plan!

Who are the once controlling America & all it's Politicians?
So what do you all think; what & who really controls Australia & all it's Politics & Pimps? ..Yep you got it!

You need confirmation then Go Here:

Australia will become the Headquarter for all the Zionist Pigs after the fall of the USA!

Also you should all read the PROTOCOLS OF ZION ... Link Here:

You all don't believe it; well you don't need too; because the facts & there actions are the prove of it all!

The entire World suppose to pay these Scam Global Warming Hoax usury taxes &
OZI has to be the front runner of-cause!! Why? >>> "Right"


When the people fear the government they have tyranny,
when the government fears the people they have freedom.'
- Samuel Adams

Global warming is a Carbon Scam & Hoax created by all the Anti Human Pigs!

The Zionist Billionaires Who Control Politics
February 23, 2011
[Updated from Sept 2010, by request]
Lenin: "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it"
(Libertarian sugar daddy, David Koch)

Douglas Reed: "The plan, I think, is the old one of world dominion in a new form. The money-power and revolutionary power have been set up and given sham but symbolic shapes ('Capitalism' or 'Communism') and sharply defined citadels ('America' or 'Russia'). Such is the spectacle publicly staged for the masses. But what if similar men, with a common aim, secretly rule in both camps and propose to achieve their ambition through the clash between those masses? I believe any diligent student of our times will discover that this is the case."

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Bloomberg News has a story today on how the Zionist Koch brothers bankrolled the campaigns of Governors (like Scott Walker) who are cutting union powers. Whether we agree with this policy or not, this shows how these billionaires continue to define the political discourse in left-right terms when they should be defined as people versus Illuminati left and right.
http://www.henrymakow.com/koch.html


Canada, Australia & NZ Are Still Colonies
Truthers hounded by thugs.
December 12, 2010

http://www.henrymakow.com/basic_frau...ed_uk_col.html

A must read!
The Occult Technology of Power
(Anonymous)
A Project of the Society for Illuminating the Sources of Power

http://www.rexresearch.com/articles/ocultech.htm

My Personal notes:
WOW! ..... How perfectly this one again fits my Posting & totally appropriate!
Also I got my beloved 11 at the right topic!
Is my action connected, related or synchronized with Symbolic number meanings?
My Posting No. 3224 = 11 what does it say

Symbolically?

Properties of the number 11
Symbolism

Symbol of the interior fight, the rebellion and the mislaying which

results from it. But it also represents someone who comes out victorious of the tests

with the acquired knowledge.

Represent the transgression of the law because it

exceeds of one the number of ten, which is the one of the Decalogue. For this fact,

it represents the sin according to saint

Augustin. The psalm 11 (Vulgate numbering) asks effectively the punishment of the

wicked. The theoretical speculations on this number confirm this symbolism. The sum

of numbers 1 to 11 is 66, which multiplying eleven by the number symbol of the evil,

the diabolic 6; by the addition of the two digits which compose it as by its reading

in Roman number, II, it reminds the 2, number of the division and

the corruption.

Number expressing more than the human sin, it is the sin in

general or cosmic, according to R. Allendy.

According to Peignot, it is the force of witnesses and the Word. Eleven is therefore

the number of the martyrdom, the testimony and the prophecy.

Represent the union of the microcosm and the macrocosm - 5 + 6.

Number of the knowledge of God, according to Arabs, this one passing by 11

steps.

Number in relation to the mysteries of the fruitfulness in the African esoteric

traditions.

Number representing the individual initiative but exercising without relationship

to the cosmic harmony, consequently of a rather unfavorable nature.

In China, number representing the way (the Tao) of the sky and the earth. It is the

number of the central union of the sky, 6, and of the earth, 5.

Bad number according to the Hebrews. This is why there

would not exist any name having eleven letters in Hebrew.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu11.php

[oiram]

While the Forum was down all day I found this one here:

Red freaking Hair wtf ..... & so original for the occasion!

Aussie's Please! You're free choice on what's Right or Wrong ...... If no action all will end-up getting screwed!

Stops Gillards Carbon Tax Petition!

UPDATE: OVER 13,500 SIGNATURES!!! Keep spreading the word to all your friends!
http://www.stopgillardscarbontax.com/

I looked at the count this morning it was 11000 now already 13,500!

I signed the anti Human Tax Petition!

With this comment added:
1) Global Warming is a total Lie, Hoax & Scam
2) Reality is all taxes are usury taxes!
3) Once it's proven fact that in reality ALL taxes are usury I demand to be 100% reimbursed.


First time ever in my entire life I signed something regarding sick anti Human Government crap!


Image by: http://underthebambootrees.blogspot....1_archive.html

First Local Taxes.

Then State Taxes.

Then Federal Taxes.

Then Capital Gains Taxes.

Then GST Taxes.

Now they enforcing for Global Warming Hoax Scam Taxes.

Then what ...... Intergalactic Alien invasion Taxes?

Just Sick enforced monopolized usury!

Canada, Australia & NZ Are Still Colonies
Truthers hounded by thugs.
December 12, 2010
his means that the laws, corporations and currencies of these countries have no legal foundation, and that the governments do not represent the people, nor are they in a position to defend their interests.

As Ken Shaw writes on his website, www.basicfraud.com, their "elected Government and entire Judicial Systems are totally unlawful, fraudulent and invalid...This has enormous ramifications when considering International Treaties entered into by the these Governments,
any political appointments, the banking laws, the whole Court System, taxation, just to name a few, have NO legitimacy and are totally null and void."

http://www.henrymakow.com

This & more Nice Images by: http://underthebambootrees

My Personal notes:
Woe, Woe, Woe, Perfect!... How perfectly this one again fits my Posting & totally appropriate!
Is my action connected, related or synchronized with Symbolic number meanings?
My Posting No. 3237 = 15 what does it say Symbolically?
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu15.php

Properties of the number 15
Symbolism
Represent the perfect three-dimensional expression - 3 X 5.

The Fathers of the Church frequently associate 15 to the two Testaments because it constitutes the sum of 7, the Sabbath, and 8, the Resurrection (the Sabbath representing the period covered by the Old Testament, and the Resurrection, the period covered by the New Testament).

According to R. Allendy, this number "represents the vital whirlwind 5, animating the cosmos 10, to father the world of the creatures to the image of the Archetype - 1 + 5 = 6. Odd and triangular number, 15 is a dynamic and creative agent; it represents the blooming of the life in the creation".

Represent the plenitude of the science, according to saint Jerome.

It is the spiritual ascension seal, according to Cornelius Agrippa.

For Eckartshausen, it is "the number of the spiritual resurrection, the number of the commandments and the generation".

J. Boehme calls it "the desire the divine love".

According to Creusot, it is the number of Satan, who is developing only in the man such a virus. He imposes subtly his wills, causing blind passions, ephemeral pleasures and degrading.

According to Guy Tarade, it is the number of the man, the human spirit, holy or satanic.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu15.php

[ianmoone1]

Screw the lying, scumbag, red headed, fabian, lesbian, childless, unwed, atheist, Israeli puppet - and the horse she rode in here on - and her fricken Carbon Tax

Hey didn't the Libs leader John Howard give us a GST after their leader Hewson lost the unlose-able election when Howard was his 2 in charge because he wanted a GST?.

He (Howard) as leader promised us no GST before the next election and lo and behold - we have to have a GST!

That's the trubble with "poli-tics" (Many Blood sucking Insects!).

These pricks are all as bad as each other, and thats the problem!

Anyone remember the mad monk, when he was Howards gofer - arranged too have the red head Pauline Pants down jailed so that she couldn't hold the balance of powerr and Howard would have a free run at the election?

A single mum of 2 teen kids - who - when appealed the charges were overturned and she was acquitted!

My suggestion is that while the red headed whiner is clearly just as big a lyer as the other side - don't be too hasty to throw your lot in with the mad monk!

He's just as bad a ruthless lying prick as the red headed bitch!

The truth is we needed Christchurch's recent earth quake in Canberra to kill the bloody lot of them and star afresh! When the quake was over in Canberra - don't send any rescue teams in too rescue anyone - just backfill the hole and cement it over so that bass turds never get out again!

I have to say that as an Australian - i can't stand our State Lib or Labor Pollys here in the west (and I used to be a paid up ember of the Lib party once) nor can I stand either side federally!

Truth be told - after the recent floods and cyclones in Qld - we should get rid of the whole federal bunch and drag Anna Bligh down to Canberra and make her leader of the whole shebang by public decree!

You know - at the moment if all the politicians in WA and Canberra were on fire - I wouldn't even nbother to rear up and pee on them to put them out!

Were the driest nation on earth - and we are so short of water out west - we won't make it thru another summer if we don;t get massive rains this winter (which is most unlikely given out la nina weather cycle)!

We have more water than we can poke a stick at in the sub tropics Kimberly's - we have an inland sea of it in lake Argyle - (it holds seven Syd-arbs apparently) and f we dammed the Fitroy at Standleys Chasm - for about a third the cost of the Argyle dam wall construction cost - that would hold back about 11 times the volume of lake argyle (or another 77 Sydarbs) a Sydarb being the volume of water in Skidknee harbor.!

So some 84 potential sydarbs of fresh water - enough to drought proof the entire nation - with a massive rings mains pipe - running around the nation - able to shift water wherever its needed between the states - The pipe owned by the feds and the water sold to whatever states need it - and they sell it thru their existing reticulated supply network!!

Imagine - enough cheap water to wash your car again and water a decent lawn!

And - where do we get the pipes I hear you asking?

Well - here in the west again - we have the massive shark bay salt mine - that exports all that salt to china and I'll give you the tip - they don't sprinkle it all on their takeaway fish and rice!

No sirree - they extract the Chloride - to make PVC Pipes (Poly Vinyl Chloride)!

So instead of selling our salt for a pittance build a fricken giant pipe factory for the ring mains just to the east of Shark Bays salt mine and make the pipes right in the path of where they need to be laid to bring all that fresh water down too the temperate latitudes and supply all the population centers both east and west!

But no - what are we going to waste our $ on?

Yep - national optical fiber broadband (when everyone's going wireless for craps sake!). And locally we are going to get a riverfront re development and some sporting arena to add to the already hundreds of such stadiums we have!

Love too see people dieing of thirst in this fricken desert of a state - drinking optical fibers and concrete and steel stadiums!

I have no faith at ALL left in the administration of this nation or its states (with the maybe exception already stated in Anna Bligh from Qld)!

You know all that Wivenhoe Dam water they let go that flooded Brisbane and killed quite a few people on its way there, could have been pumped west and south where we are in drought conditions if the ring Mains was in place!

hell while I'm at it - why haven't we dug a fricken channel from the ocean in Sth Aust - to lake eyre and flooded the inland of Oz to alter our climate to a more human friendly one with a bit of rainfall once in a while?

Imagine the zillions of miles of waterfront homes and all the yachts sailing the inland sea of an afternoon and weekend - great fishing from every property dock...

Again its a fricken no brainer - but that's the problem - all our politicians between then couldn't manage to rustle up one brain capable of actually leading the nation - between the lot of them.

Is it possible for All Australians to rise up and sack ALL their politicians and start again - short of following the Arabs stance in the middle east of late?

At the rate the are coming here as refugees in leaky boats pretty soon there wont be enough water for them all to get a drink so likely they might rise up for us apathetic Aussies - and get rid of the dickwads that have their snouts in the trough in Canberra,, and get us a leader with some VISION for the country for Christs sake!

When i rise up and am appointed benevolent dick-tater of this fair land (I keep a spud in my jocks at all times just in case of a spontaneous uprising...someone shoulda told me your s'posed to put it down the front not the back of the budgie smugglers) - things here in thi fair utopia of a land will be a damn site different let me tell you!

I will resurrect Flo Bjelke-Petersen and it will become the land of Milk and Honey again - with free punkin scones for everyone!

Thus endeth my tilt at a popular uprising for today!

I am:-

I I
A A
N M

M N
O O

O O
N N
E E

Remember to vote for me at the next rigged election!

Cheers and free cold beers for everyone with Big ears!

[ownoiz]

Originally Posted by ianmoone1

where do we get the pipes I hear you asking?

Its the club of rome green agenda. Water is a scarce resource and all that...

http://green-agenda.com/index.html



Check out these articles about the bradfield scheme and others if you havent already seen...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...post1058696820


There is so much water that pipes arent even necessary...much cheaper channels do the job as per the article suggests, evaporation is moot point with the volumes of watr we are talking here.

Originally Posted by ianmoone1

Screw the lying, scumbag, red headed, fabian, lesbian, childless, unwed, atheist, Israeli puppet - and the horse she rode in here on - and her fricken Carbon Tax

u forgot satanic and damaged goods.
.

[oiram]

Originally Posted by ianmoone1

Screw the lying, scumbag, red headed, fabian, lesbian, childless, unwed, atheist, Israeli puppet - and the horse she rode in here on - and her fricken Carbon Tax

Hey didn't the Libs leader John Howard give us a GST after their leader Hewson lost the unlose-able election when Howard was his 2 in charge because he wanted a GST?.

He (Howard) as leader promised us no GST before the next election and lo and behold - we have to have a GST!

That's the trubble with "poli-tics" (Many Blood sucking Insects!).

These pricks are all as bad as each other, and thats the problem!

Anyone remember the mad monk, when he was Howards gofer - arranged too have the red head Pauline Pants down jailed so that she couldn't hold the balance of powerr and Howard would have a free run at the election?

A single mum of 2 teen kids - who - when appealed the charges were overturned and she was acquitted!

My suggestion is that while the red headed whiner is clearly just as big a lyer as the other side - don't be too hasty to throw your lot in with the mad monk!

He's just as bad a ruthless lying prick as the red headed bitch!

The truth is we needed Christchurch's recent earth quake in Canberra to kill the bloody lot of them and star afresh! When the quake was over in Canberra - don't send any rescue teams in too rescue anyone - just backfill the hole and cement it over so that bass turds never get out again!

I have to say that as an Australian - i can't stand our State Lib or Labor Pollys here in the west (and I used to be a paid up ember of the Lib party once) nor can I stand either side federally!

Truth be told - after the recent floods and cyclones in Qld - we should get rid of the whole federal bunch and drag Anna Bligh down to Canberra and make her leader of the whole shebang by public decree!

You know - at the moment if all the politicians in WA and Canberra were on fire - I wouldn't even nbother to rear up and pee on them to put them out!

Were the driest nation on earth - and we are so short of water out west - we won't make it thru another summer if we don;t get massive rains this winter (which is most unlikely given out la nina weather cycle)!

We have more water than we can poke a stick at in the sub tropics Kimberly's - we have an inland sea of it in lake Argyle - (it holds seven Syd-arbs apparently) and f we dammed the Fitroy at Standleys Chasm - for about a third the cost of the Argyle dam wall construction cost - that would hold back about 11 times the volume of lake argyle (or another 77 Sydarbs) a Sydarb being the volume of water in Skidknee harbor.!

So some 84 potential sydarbs of fresh water - enough to drought proof the entire nation - with a massive rings mains pipe - running around the nation - able to shift water wherever its needed between the states - The pipe owned by the feds and the water sold to whatever states need it - and they sell it thru their existing reticulated supply network!!

Imagine - enough cheap water to wash your car again and water a decent lawn!

And - where do we get the pipes I hear you asking?

Well - here in the west again - we have the massive shark bay salt mine - that exports all that salt to china and I'll give you the tip - they don't sprinkle it all on their takeaway fish and rice!

No sirree - they extract the Chloride - to make PVC Pipes (Poly Vinyl Chloride)!

So instead of selling our salt for a pittance build a fricken giant pipe factory for the ring mains just to the east of Shark Bays salt mine and make the pipes right in the path of where they need to be laid to bring all that fresh water down too the temperate latitudes and supply all the population centers both east and west!

But no - what are we going to waste our $ on?

Yep - national optical fiber broadband (when everyone's going wireless for craps sake!). And locally we are going to get a riverfront re development and some sporting arena to add to the already hundreds of such stadiums we have!

Love too see people dieing of thirst in this fricken desert of a state - drinking optical fibers and concrete and steel stadiums!

I have no faith at ALL left in the administration of this nation or its states (with the maybe exception already stated in Anna Bligh from Qld)!

You know all that Wivenhoe Dam water they let go that flooded Brisbane and killed quite a few people on its way there, could have been pumped west and south where we are in drought conditions if the ring Mains was in place!

hell while I'm at it - why haven't we dug a fricken channel from the ocean in Sth Aust - to lake eyre and flooded the inland of Oz to alter our climate to a more human friendly one with a bit of rainfall once in a while?

Imagine the zillions of miles of waterfront homes and all the yachts sailing the inland sea of an afternoon and weekend - great fishing from every property dock...

Again its a fricken no brainer - but that's the problem - all our politicians between then couldn't manage to rustle up one brain capable of actually leading the nation - between the lot of them.

Is it possible for All Australians to rise up and sack ALL their politicians and start again - short of following the Arabs stance in the middle east of late?

At the rate the are coming here as refugees in leaky boats pretty soon there wont be enough water for them all to get a drink so likely they might rise up for us apathetic Aussies - and get rid of the dickwads that have their snouts in the trough in Canberra,, and get us a leader with some VISION for the country for Christs sake!

When i rise up and am appointed benevolent dick-tater of this fair land (I keep a spud in my jocks at all times just in case of a spontaneous uprising...someone shoulda told me your s'posed to put it down the front not the back of the budgie smugglers) - things here in thi fair utopia of a land will be a damn site different let me tell you!

I will resurrect Flo Bjelke-Petersen and it will become the land of Milk and Honey again - with free punkin scones for everyone!

Thus endeth my tilt at a popular uprising for today!

I am:-

I I
A A
N M

M N
O O

O O
N N
E E

Remember to vote for me at the next rigged election!

Cheers and free cold beers for everyone with Big ears!

Well you summed it all up in one go ...... Perfectly!

Wished I could write like you. ......That's why overall real Human teamwork is so important!


The once ruling are strategically & knowingly destroying Australia!

All by design time to have real Humans to look after Australia & also all other countries should be looked after by real Humans!


And not by paid off psychopathic, anti Humans fully & by script play controlled brain dead puppet masters.

[ianmoone1]

Wished I could write like you!

Really?

Then you too could be banned from more forums of the internet than anyone else on earth!.

You want to upset someone, tell them a lie - but if you want to upset EVERYONE, then tell them the truth.

I believe that everyone has an instinctive ability to know deep down within themselves - when they have heard or read 'the truth'!

Its the fastest way to becoming unpopular - because people don't want the truth - they want you to tell them what their sinful self wants to hear!

Pauline Pantsdown, hit a chord with Aussies - single mother of 2 teens who ran a fish n chip shop - and as a result of telling the truth no matter how unpalatable, she was jailed (on trumped up charges bye the mad monk) and later acquitted - but NOT until after the election when Howard was safely in power and any risk of having to form a coalition with her One nation people was removed.

The exact same thing as happened the Nelson Mandela in fact!

What hope have we here - when our choice is between that red headed whiny bitch and the punch drunk mad monk?

It's enough to make you wanna move to New Zealand I tell ya!

Cheers

[nosferatu_dj]

10% of Australia's Carbon Tax given to the United Nations

10% of Australia's Carbon Tax given to the United Nations - YouTube

10% of Australia's Carbon Tax given to the United Nations - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3OLKsQ83k

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...-poor-nations/

Carbon tax billions to help poor nations

PAUL MURRAY, EXCLUSIVE, The West Australian February 28, 2011, 2:35 am



Billions of dollars raised by Australia's carbon tax will end up overseas, helping poor countries battle climate change.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard's new tax will be used to allow Australia to meet its share of a $100 billion-a-year United Nations fund to transfer wealth from rich countries to help undeveloped nations adapt to global warming.
The Gillard Government is party to a UN agreement which Climate Change Minister Greg Combet entered into in December at a meeting in Cancun, Mexico, under which about 10 per cent of carbon taxes in developed nations will go into a Green Climate Fund.
Even when Ms Gillard was denying there would be a carbon tax last August, her government had committed to spend $599 million on climate change handouts over the current three-year Budget period, mainly in the Pacific and South-East Asia. About $470 million has already been allocated.
The scale of the potential overseas carbon tax payments dwarfs the $500 million in educational foreign aid to Indonesia which provoked recent bickering between the Government and the Opposition.
Former WA ALP secretary Bob McMullan, now Ms Gillard's parliamentary secretary for international development assistance, is a member of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon's high level advisory group on climate change financing.
A report released by the group in November makes clear the role of carbon taxes in transferring wealth from developed countries.
"The Advisory Group emphasised the importance of a carbon price in the range of $US20-$US25 per ton of CO{-2} equivalent in 2020 as a key element of reaching the US$100 billion per year," the report said.
"Based on (that) carbon price, auctions of emission allowances and domestic carbon taxes in developed countries with up to 10 per cent of total revenues allocated for international climate action could potentially mobilise around $US30 billion annually," the report said.
"Without underestimating the difficulties to be resolved, particularly in terms of national sovereignty and incidence on developing countries, approximately $US10 billion annually could be raised from carbon pricing international transportation, assuming no net incidence on developing countries and earmarking between 25 and 50 per cent of total revenues."
The report said much of the remaining shortfall could be met from direct budget contributions by rich nations.
Mr Combet's Department of Climate Change says: "It is in Australia's interest to assist developing countries to take urgent adaptation actions and to build their capacity to reduce emissions."
It says Australia is part of a transitional committee designing the $100 billion fund, "with a view to (making the fund operational)" in time for the next UN climate talks in South Africa in December.

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Julia Gillard lies about brining in a carbon tax then lies about where the money goes, Deputy Leader of the Opposition exposes at least 10% goes to United Nations World Government
10% GST - to Australian Government
10% of Carbon Tax to a World Government
full details of 1/March/2011 question time can be found here
http://www.aph.gov.au/house/house_news/Index.asp

[boots]

Originally Posted by nosferatu_dj

10% of Australia's Carbon Tax given to the United Nations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3OLKsQ83k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3OLKsQ83k

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...-poor-nations/

Carbon tax billions to help poor nations

PAUL MURRAY, EXCLUSIVE, The West Australian February 28, 2011, 2:35 am



Billions of dollars raised by Australia's carbon tax will end up overseas, helping poor countries battle climate change.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard's new tax will be used to allow Australia to meet its share of a $100 billion-a-year United Nations fund to transfer wealth from rich countries to help undeveloped nations adapt to global warming.
The Gillard Government is party to a UN agreement which Climate Change Minister Greg Combet entered into in December at a meeting in Cancun, Mexico, under which about 10 per cent of carbon taxes in developed nations will go into a Green Climate Fund.
Even when Ms Gillard was denying there would be a carbon tax last August, her government had committed to spend $599 million on climate change handouts over the current three-year Budget period, mainly in the Pacific and South-East Asia. About $470 million has already been allocated.
The scale of the potential overseas carbon tax payments dwarfs the $500 million in educational foreign aid to Indonesia which provoked recent bickering between the Government and the Opposition.
Former WA ALP secretary Bob McMullan, now Ms Gillard's parliamentary secretary for international development assistance, is a member of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon's high level advisory group on climate change financing.
A report released by the group in November makes clear the role of carbon taxes in transferring wealth from developed countries.
"The Advisory Group emphasised the importance of a carbon price in the range of $US20-$US25 per ton of CO{-2} equivalent in 2020 as a key element of reaching the US$100 billion per year," the report said.
"Based on (that) carbon price, auctions of emission allowances and domestic carbon taxes in developed countries with up to 10 per cent of total revenues allocated for international climate action could potentially mobilise around $US30 billion annually," the report said.
"Without underestimating the difficulties to be resolved, particularly in terms of national sovereignty and incidence on developing countries, approximately $US10 billion annually could be raised from carbon pricing international transportation, assuming no net incidence on developing countries and earmarking between 25 and 50 per cent of total revenues."
The report said much of the remaining shortfall could be met from direct budget contributions by rich nations.
Mr Combet's Department of Climate Change says: "It is in Australia's interest to assist developing countries to take urgent adaptation actions and to build their capacity to reduce emissions."
It says Australia is part of a transitional committee designing the $100 billion fund, "with a view to (making the fund operational)" in time for the next UN climate talks in South Africa in December.

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Julia Gillard lies about brining in a carbon tax then lies about where the money goes, Deputy Leader of the Opposition exposes at least 10% goes to United Nations World Government
10% GST - to Australian Government
10% of Carbon Tax to a World Government
full details of 1/March/2011 question time can be found here
http://www.aph.gov.au/house/house_news/Index.asp

Good thread!

Well that's just it the so called government is giving the countries money away to the UN. While ordinary Australian's will suffer.

They already started that with signing the Lima Declaration which took away our manufacturing base and gave it to the poorer countries.

Because Kevin Rudd wouldn't play ball fast enough for the global elite they chucked him out along with his tax on mining.

TPTB then put in Miss Ju lair Gillard to do their bidding. She shut down the mining tax and brings in a Carbon Tax.

BITCH!!.

This is going to screw Australian's big time. Only the very rich will be able to live in Australia comfortably.

The independents will tow the party line.

I heard Abbot was going to start a Mandate against the Carbon Tax, I'd bloody well sign it

[ozpixie]

10% to the UN = 10% to IMF and the Third World Dictators.

The poverty stricken people will not benefit at all.

We will be reduced to scrabbling for scraps like people did during the Depressions and the wars.

These politicians and bankers are totally bereft of all human feeling.

[nosferatu_dj]

http://www.truthnews.com.au/web/radi...the_carbon_tax

Leon Ashby on the Carbon Tax

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Leon Ashby, President of the Australian Climate Sceptics, is playing a pivotal role in the furious debate over the planned introduction of a Carbon Tax by the Gillard Labor government, scheduled to go into effect on 1st July 2012.
Carbon Tax protests have been scheduled across the nation on 23rd March and 2nd April.
Leon returns to TNRA this week to break down the key issues in the political wrangling which is currently taking place in Canberra.
As recent polls have shown, there is now an overwhelming disagreement with the alleged scientific "consensus" that man made climate change is both real and dangerous, despite the claims by the Gillard government that people voted for climate action.
While public opinion has been shifting towards scepticism, big business has championed a new tax, with mainstream media playing a key role in portraying the tax as inevitable and even necessary to keep prices down.
The final slap in the face to ordinary Australians is the proposed inclusion of fuel in the tax - aptly described by the Farmer's Federation as "elitist and immoral".
Key policy points from the Climate Sceptics website:

• All policy and legislation should emerge from a balanced and objective assessment of available information.
• The rights of every Australian must be protected.
• Climate science is far from “settled”, as evidenced by the revelations of recent months and years.
• The alarmist theories propounded by the IPCC and other political bodies are crippled by huge uncertainties.
• An objective and quantitative risk–benefit analysis of any proposed “climate” legislation is crucial.

In the second half of the show I'm joined by engineer John Bursill, to discuss the question of credibility within the 9/11 truth movement. John, as a member of the professional group "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" has long stressed the importance of maintaining a careful and cautious approach when it comes to alternative theories and research into 9/11.
During our talk we address some theories which have been particularly divisive within the 9/11 truth movement, with the aim of explaining the difference between emprical, peer reviewed science and pure speculation.
Hope you enjoy the show!

Related Links:

• Stop Gillard's Carbon Tax
• The Climate Sceptics
• The Joanne Nova Blog
• AGMates Herald
• China will install, over ten years, coal-fired power equal to 10 times our entire power generation sector
• Al Jazeera interview with Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam
• Vaccines may have increased swine flu risk
• Rethink flu vaccine policy, says health expert
• Australian Government Planning To Regulate Thousands Of Common, Exotic and Native Plants

[nosferatu_dj]

Originally Posted by nosferatu_dj

Lord Monckton on ABC News Breakfast



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrXXlLBaqlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrXXlLBaqlE

Lord Christopher Monckton Joins ABC News Breakfast and discusses climate change with two typically biased ABC journalists Virginia Trioli and Joe O'Brien.

Watch the unprofessional Trioli get caught making offensive gestures while interviewing another global warming sceptic Senator Barnaby Joyce:
Virginia Trioli crazy face at Senator Barnaby Joyce on ABC2 news breakfast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr1R2o_yzXo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr1R2o_yzXo

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[ownoiz]

Originally Posted by nosferatu_dj

ABC journalists Virginia Trioli

http://www.youtube.com/v/Wr1R2o_yzXo

Sheeple journalists

i hope she likes giving more of her money to Goldman Sachs, now i would call someone who likes giving more of their money to globalist banksters a little crazy, but thats just me.

silly bitch.

actually on second thoughts its not her fault, her brain is probably full of flouride from all the tap water and freeze dried coffee she drinks.
.

[nosferatu_dj]

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Carbon trading, how much will it cost?


by Mark Aldridge on Tuesday, March 8, 2011 at 7:35pm

How Much do we charge for the Co2 we breath out is an interesting question, so far we have spent near $6 billion dollars for near no effect.
The Carbon tax, or should we say Carbon Dioxide tax, whoops Co2 has 2 oxygen particles to every carbon, so it is in fact an Oxygen tax, what ever they call it, big business will have the most to gain, if the EU introduction is anything to go by, and the cost per ton, will indeed be the eye opener.
Priced too low, the effect will be insufficient to honour our promises to others, too high and industry will be forced to move else where, saving not only the costs of a carbon tax, but also most overseas countries manufacturing standards produce more carbon dioxide per unit, some what negating the whole ideal.
The analysis of 17 federal programs with a total cost of $5.62 billion showed many of the schemes implemented by both sides of politics are at odds with the policy goal of tackling climate change at the lowest cost to the economy.
An investigation estimated the fiscal abatement cost of each scheme - the amount of government funds spent for every tonne of carbon abated.
This measure is designed to show how much environmental ''bang for the taxpayer buck'' each program delivers. It does not include the costs or savings to households, businesses and other non-government players in the economy.
Fiscal abatement costs ranged from less than $1 a tonne for regulations phasing out greenhouse-intensive hot water systems and incandescent light bulb, to a high of $400 a tonne or more for tax breaks and production subsidies for ethanol introduced by the Howard government.
The diversion of food crops for ethanol production itself is reliant on government subsides and on its own, let alone the affect on world food production, which is already a major concern to the UN itself, let alone the millions presently dying of starvation.
The Rudd-Gillard government's household insulation program cost $172 a tonne, its rooftop solar panel rebates cost $300 or more a tonne, and its collapsed Green Loans program cost $120 a tonne. The Howard government's remote renewable power generation program cost as much as $340 a tonne.
The weighted average fiscal abatement cost of all 17 programs examined came to $168 a tonne
The current ideals will only deliver about 25 million tonnes of carbon abatement in 2020 - less than a tenth of the total abatement needed to meet the government's target of reducing emissions in 2020 by 5 per cent on 2000 levels, start adding up the figures, tens of billions and we wont scratch the surface, all the while manufacturing overseas which is no where as effective, will end up the cheaper alternative to all Australian manufacturers.
Australia contributes just under 1% of all Co2 emissions, so after spending in the facinity of 100 billion dollars we hope to reduce our emissions by 5% than our output in the year 2000, do the figures (5% of 1%) all the while countries like China, India and the like, will up their emissions, and lets hope there are no more volcanic eruptions, which would wipe out all our savings in less than 1 day.
The interesting question from the lay mans point of view is how they meter Co2 emissions, I watched carefully and no little black balloons appear when I turn on the lights, and I doubt they will meter every business in the country, so how much is reliant on good will?
The original ETS allowed for free permits or as they are called credits for some of the biggest polluters, so there will be carbon trading, and such trading can cross borders even oceans, so we can continue to pollute here, in exchange for money paid for overseas and interstate credits, hhmmmm all very interesting, so I have plenty of trees, can I trade their stored carbon on the open market or do the government now own my captured carbon?
We can all remember the Peter Spencer affair, where he could not cut down his own trees, can the government claim their carbon holdings?
Too many unanswered questions, and very little answers, lest we forget the Labor government, through Gillard as Prime minister and Swan as treasurer, both swore if elected they would not introduce a Carbon Tax, does that negate their election?
Carbon trading has started with a lie, is clouded in misinformation, and how ever it is being sold is the biggest tax we have had to face, all the while having the greatest ability to destroy what little manufacturing industries our once fine country has left, let alone the affect on every Australians cost of living, and I haven’t even brought up important issues like the very probable affects on our retirement savings and superannuation accounts, but need we worry, the Labor Governments excellent track record regarding issues like the home insulation scheme, grocery watch, school halls and the like, should alleviate any fears L

Mark M Aldridge
Independent www.markmaldridge.com.au
aldridgemark@bigpond.com
08 82847482 / 0403379500