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The 2012 Deception

The 2012 Galactic Alignment Hoax
June 9th, 2009 by admin

I have heard for many years that on December 21, 2012 the earth was going to align with the sun and the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. I used to point to this coming event as the reason there would be a pole shift as well as any number of cataclysms. I discovered recently while doing the research for the 2012 debunked video that this was very untrue.

To show you how scientifically impotent the galactic alignment theories are I will need to show you the difference between the twenty six thousand year precession cycle and the two hundred and fifty million year cycle of the solar system’s revolution around the galaxy. Most 2012 gurus will pick one or the other, or they mix up the two as they stumble through a pseudo scientific presentation that might sound fancy until you see the difference between the two.

First Precession:

This event is only significant from the earth’s point of view. The precession cycle or the 26,000 year wobble of the earth only causes the EFFECT of the stars changing position on the horizon. and therefore on the effect of galactic alignment. if you were viewing this “precession” from anywhere else in the solar system it would be totally insignificant, There is no gravitational force or radiation to be expected from this event because other than the tilt of the earth, nothing will be any different than the last few thousand solstices, and as such, the Earth will be no closer to the galactic center than any other solstice, in fact we will be much further away from galactic center than the Mayans were at that time.

The other camp of belief surrounding the 2012 alignment issue is probably the more significant of the two because it is dealing with the solar system’s actual location in relation to galactic center. The idea is that our little solar system is moving around the center of the galaxy every 225 to 250 million years or so, and while doing so it is moving up and down in a cycle crossing the plane every 33 million years.

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So, the question is, are we going to cross that galactic plane in 2012?

Not even close. According to the journal nature, as well as many others, there is evidence of crossing this plane 3 million years ago. This would mean that we are moving away from the galactic plane and won’t be due to cross it for another 30 million years. In addition the margin of error in these calculations in at least 2.1 parsecs or about 6.5 light years making images like these completely meaningless.

To conclude:
If you hear someone tell you that the earth is on a 26,000 year cycle to align with the galaxy ask them how the wobble of the earth will change its position in relation to the galaxy.

Similarly, if you hear someone say that the earth is on a 250 million year cycle to align with the galaxy ask them if they know that this happened 3 million years ago and wont happen again for another 30 million.

3 Comments » Posted in Uncategorized
2012 theories handled on the Bad Astronomy forum
June 9th, 2009 by admin

Here is a pretty comprehensive list of 2012 topics
discussed on the “baut” forum
http://www.bautforum.com

I quoted from this forum when doing my movie 2012 debunked but I dont agree with everything said here, this is mainly because of the discussion forum atmosphere, where its important to eat the meat and toss the bones, to quote a friend. but there are also a number of very qualified and interesting posters that bring some much needed light to some of the issues.
2003 no, 2012 si
2012
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don’t have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here’s what’s REALLY going to happen in 2012…
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Pole shift idea origins
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn’t that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
So what will we see in 2012?
Galactic Tsunami?
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Earth’s Magnetic Field & 2012
2012?
Any truth to this?
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense

No Comments » Posted in Uncategorized

[the moral man]

Dear edit
kind regards
The 2012 deception site looks interesting.
When I read the Matrix V trilogy it became clear that alot of what is stated about 2012 is overhyped.
Where there is an idea (true of false) the merchants come out of their rocks to promote their latest books and products on it.
At least there are some people out in the World who know better.
yours thankfully
John

[solarwindspirit]

Originally Posted by edit

The 2012 Deception

The 2012 Galactic Alignment Hoax
June 9th, 2009 by admin

I have heard for many years that on December 21, 2012 the earth was going to align with the sun and the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. I used to point to this coming event as the reason there would be a pole shift as well as any number of cataclysms. I discovered recently while doing the research for the 2012 debunked video that this was very untrue.

To show you how scientifically impotent the galactic alignment theories are I will need to show you the difference between the twenty six thousand year precession cycle and the two hundred and fifty million year cycle of the solar system’s revolution around the galaxy. Most 2012 gurus will pick one or the other, or they mix up the two as they stumble through a pseudo scientific presentation that might sound fancy until you see the difference between the two.

First Precession:

This event is only significant from the earth’s point of view. The precession cycle or the 26,000 year wobble of the earth only causes the EFFECT of the stars changing position on the horizon. and therefore on the effect of galactic alignment. if you were viewing this “precession” from anywhere else in the solar system it would be totally insignificant, There is no gravitational force or radiation to be expected from this event because other than the tilt of the earth, nothing will be any different than the last few thousand solstices, and as such, the Earth will be no closer to the galactic center than any other solstice, in fact we will be much further away from galactic center than the Mayans were at that time.

The other camp of belief surrounding the 2012 alignment issue is probably the more significant of the two because it is dealing with the solar system’s actual location in relation to galactic center. The idea is that our little solar system is moving around the center of the galaxy every 225 to 250 million years or so, and while doing so it is moving up and down in a cycle crossing the plane every 33 million years.

___________________-

So, the question is, are we going to cross that galactic plane in 2012?

Not even close. According to the journal nature, as well as many others, there is evidence of crossing this plane 3 million years ago. This would mean that we are moving away from the galactic plane and won’t be due to cross it for another 30 million years. In addition the margin of error in these calculations in at least 2.1 parsecs or about 6.5 light years making images like these completely meaningless.

To conclude:
If you hear someone tell you that the earth is on a 26,000 year cycle to align with the galaxy ask them how the wobble of the earth will change its position in relation to the galaxy.

Similarly, if you hear someone say that the earth is on a 250 million year cycle to align with the galaxy ask them if they know that this happened 3 million years ago and wont happen again for another 30 million.

3 Comments » Posted in Uncategorized
2012 theories handled on the Bad Astronomy forum
June 9th, 2009 by admin

Here is a pretty comprehensive list of 2012 topics
discussed on the “baut” forum
http://www.bautforum.com

I quoted from this forum when doing my movie 2012 debunked but I dont agree with everything said here, this is mainly because of the discussion forum atmosphere, where its important to eat the meat and toss the bones, to quote a friend. but there are also a number of very qualified and interesting posters that bring some much needed light to some of the issues.
2003 no, 2012 si
2012
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don’t have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here’s what’s REALLY going to happen in 2012…
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Pole shift idea origins
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn’t that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
So what will we see in 2012?
Galactic Tsunami?
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Earth’s Magnetic Field & 2012
2012?
Any truth to this?
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense

No Comments » Posted in Uncategorized

There has always been magnetic flips. . .on the earth. . .same
with the sun. But I wonder what kind of impact the eclipse of the sun
will be over the galactic center? On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time," hmmm So I am curious to find out what happens when we met the thirteenth zodic sign. . .and I'm glad to be here and witness this astronomical event.



well. . .when I came across this : the question is if the earth did not rotate would we still have night and day?

If the earth did not rotate would thre be day and night on earth?
In: Meteorology and Weather [Edit categories]


[Improve] No because it impossible. it would only be seasons .


My answer is this:

I'm improving on your answer. . .actually we are a part of a galaxy called the milky way. The earth sits on a spiral arm as well as the sun in the galaxy. If you look at a hurricane. . .it is the shape of a galaxy with the 'eye' in the center. The plane of the Milky Way is inclined by about 60° to the ecliptic. The center of course is described as a massive black hole. The fact that the Milky Way divides the night sky into two roughly equal hemispheres indicates that the Solar System lies close to the galactic plane. Hense, you have the galaxy itself giving you night and day and not the rotation of the earth itself. This information came from wikipedia org.

So the question still is. . .does the earth rotate? I think we have seen it stop on a dime and it wobbles. . .but this wobble in and of itself hasn't proved that it rotates too. Although it's been described as a spinning top. . .Our atmosphere does encircle and moves upon the earth so . . .the explanation of the counter and counter clockwise hurricanes doesn't prove that it rotates. Also if the sun is on a different galatic arm . . .it may mean that the earth doesn't exactly circle around the sun either. . .that's my logical rational mind speaking and nothing else though.

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Originally Posted by the moral man

Dear edit
kind regards
The 2012 deception site looks interesting.
When I read the Matrix V trilogy it became clear that alot of what is stated about 2012 is overhyped.
Where there is an idea (true of false) the merchants come out of their rocks to promote their latest books and products on it.
At least there are some people out in the World who know better.
yours thankfully
John

The Universe under the Gods and


caesar s
in the sKy.. all what we see is
the same ..allways
in huMan times
..terms
maybe ...it was just an idea of the



master?

here..the background image for a view or 2

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Originally Posted by solarwindspirit

There has always been magnetic flips. . .on the earth. . .same
with the sun. But I wonder what kind of impact the eclipse of the sun
will be over the galactic center? On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time," hmmm So I am curious to find out what happens when we met the thirteenth zodic sign. . .and I'm glad to be here and witness this astronomical event.



well. . .when I came across this : the question is if the earth did not rotate would we still have night and day?

If the earth did not rotate would thre be day and night on earth?
In: Meteorology and Weather [Edit categories]


[Improve] No because it impossible. it would only be seasons .


My answer is this:

I'm improving on your answer. . .actually we are a part of a galaxy called the milky way. The earth sits on a spiral arm as well as the sun in the galaxy. If you look at a hurricane. . .it is the shape of a galaxy with the 'eye' in the center. The plane of the Milky Way is inclined by about 60° to the ecliptic. The center of course is described as a massive black hole. The fact that the Milky Way divides the night sky into two roughly equal hemispheres indicates that the Solar System lies close to the galactic plane. Hense, you have the galaxy itself giving you night and day and not the rotation of the earth itself. This information came from wikipedia org.

So the question still is. . .does the earth rotate? I think we have seen it stop on a dime and it wobbles. . .but this wobble in and of itself hasn't proved that it rotates too. Although it's been described as a spinning top. . .Our atmosphere does encircle and moves upon the earth so . . .the explanation of the counter and counter clockwise hurricanes doesn't prove that it rotates. Also if the sun is on a different galatic arm . . .it may mean that the earth doesn't exactly circle around the sun either. . .that's my logical rational mind speaking and nothing else though.

I have a guess, but i dont wanna blur the things, waiting for an official declaration.
WonderCsabo