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Old 01-12-2010, 05:30 AM   #21
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The story comes to us from a man who claims he was on a special NASA mission:

William Rutledge is retired and now lives in Africa. He recently came out to reveal some amazing facts about his involvement with NASA in the late 70s. Rutledge claims to have worked on at least two missions to the Moon, including the failed Apollo 19, and the Apollo 20, which he says was launched in August of 1976 from Vandenberg Air Force Base.

Both of these missions, according to Rutledge, were “classified joint Space missions” resulting from collaborations between U.S. and Soviet governments. They do not appear on any roster of NASA missions — and, if this is true — for good reasons.

The purpose of these missions was to investigate a large object on the far side of the moon in the Delporte-Izsak region, allegedly discovered and photographed during the Apollo 15 mission. The object, which vaguely resembled an “X-Wing” fighter as seen in the Star Wars films, was supposed to have been a very large alien spacecraft which had crashed or was otherwise abandoned on the Moon in ancient times.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3X5oucqQe4

How big is the ship? Thanks to website ramistrip.com we have a graphic to demonstrate. When we say “huge” we really need another word because it doesn’t come close to describe this space ship. I will let the picture do the talking!

The main feature of this video comes during the second half, which shows a "normalized" version of the 16MM film of the alien craft shot by L. Marietta Snyder during her CSM flyovers.

The problem with that video is that it is difficult to make out what the craft actually looks like, close up.

So, the second half of this video shows the usable shots, rotated, tone adjusted, scaled, and bit-bended, which gives the appearance of a rather large ship, close up.

The video begins with the AS15-P-9625 zooming in. Then the AS15-P-9625 shot morphs into the AS20-1020 shot, also zooming in.

Then, when AS20-1020 starts to get fuzzy, it morphs into the shot of the ship taken with the Westinghouse color TV camera. For this effect, the main image is a composite of four different frames from the original video taken during Apollo 20 CSM flyover. This composite was tone adjusted and desaturated to bring out more detail.

Finally, the Westinghouse TV camera shot morphs into a composite of the ship taken by Leona using a 16MM movie camera.

The Apollo 20 crew patch displayed at the beginning was manually restored from a low-res screen capture of CDR Rutledge's previous postings. .
This is just a fake created by NASA. The real ship is in Kansas.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:39 AM   #22
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LOL you dont like it when your told the material you post is Hoaxed/Fake why is this?, you get abusive instead of doing abit research on the material.

Ill comment on what i want thanks, especially if its a Hoax!!!


Did i say anywhere it was real? i put it to see whay you guys think,,i know what you think so good bye ,,,next??
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Old 01-12-2010, 12:25 PM   #23
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Did i say anywhere it was real? i put it to see whay you guys think,,i know what you think so good bye ,,,next??
Good bye ? Ive gone nowhere dave.....

If you dont believe me that Apollo 20 is a Hoax ask Apollo_Gnomon or Truegroup they are well clued up on NASA and the Apollo Missions.



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Old 01-12-2010, 02:37 PM   #24
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Good bye ? Ive gone nowhere dave.....

If you dont believe me that Apollo 20 is a Hoax ask Apollo_Gnomon or Truegroup they are well clued up on NASA and the Apollo Missions.



I coulden care less , just stop repeating yourself all the time , your a pain in the arse like a stuck record
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:08 PM   #25
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NASA Astronaut confirms Aliens are here

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/hom.../09/01935.html

These NASA employees seem to make a career about selling the public a pack of lies.
Either that or they employ alot of Mental Hospital Graduates

No he didn't.

He says they saw something from the shuttle, but he doesn't know what it was. He does know it was similar to many other everyday objects they've seen from the shuttle.

Nowhere in that article does he state that aliens are here on Earth.

http://ufotruth.wordpress.com/2008/0...id-about-ufos/

Your usual attention to detail stelios.

Story Musgrave believes we landed on the moon.
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Old 01-12-2010, 05:33 PM   #26
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I coulden care less , just stop repeating yourself all the time , your a pain in the arse like a stuck record

Stop posting HOAXES then!!!!

So you couldnt care less that your posting Hoaxes ?

Ufology can do without the likes of you, there's enuff dissinfo without you spreading it all over forums....

You need banning m8 you really do....

You are dif's #1 Hoax spreader.......



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Old 01-12-2010, 07:04 PM   #27
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The Apollo 20 hoax is a story told in a series of YouTube videos of a phony manned lunar mission whose purpose was to retrieve ancient alien artifacts from the moon. Thierry Speth, a French video artist, claimed to be the perpetrator of the hoax on 9 July 2007 on Need2Know.eu, an internet bulletin board. However, no news organization has ever attempted to verify Speth's claim.


The Hoax

In April, 2007 a series of videos began appearing on YouTube under the username retiredafb telling the story of Apollo 20. Then on 25 March 2007, Italian ufologist Luca Scantanburlo interviewed somebody who identified himself as William Rutledge who claimed to be the commander of the Apollo 20 crew. Rutledge also claimed to be the account owner of retiredafb. However, Scantanburlo never met Rutledge in person because he conducted the interview over Yahoo! Messenger .



The videos have drawn over 200,000 views since their appearance on YouTube.

During the interview, Rutledge claimed Apollo 20 was a top-secret mission launched in mid August of 1976 from Vandenberg Air Force Base in Santa Barbara, California and conducted jointly by the United States and the former Soviet Union. He said the other mission members were American Leona Snyder (an apparently fictitious person) and former Soviet cosmonaut Aleksei Leonov, the first human being to walk in space. The purported lunar landing site of the mission was near Delporte crater on the far side of the moon. Rutledge said the videos show that he and Leonov discovered the remains of an ancient lunar civilization. He also said they brought back artifacts to earth for study, including a hibernating female alien.



Four months later, video artist Speth claimed responsibility for the hoax and explained that the entire story was fabricated.


YouTube videos

The hoaxer began posting the videos on April Fool's Day, a hint that the story was nothing more than an elaborate prank. He/she has since moved most of the videos to Revver.com under the same username (retiredafb). However, others are scattered throughout YouTube posted by several account users, thereby making it difficult to determine the true identity of the hoaxer. Each continues to draw thousands of views.

Despite the realistic appearance of the videos, amateurs have easily debunked them on YouTube and elsewhere on the internet.

The videos are short, each only lasting a couple of minutes. If viewed in their intended sequence, they tell a partial story of the mission, starting with astronauts boarding Apollo 20 and ending with the extraordinary "discoveries" on the moon. They include the following images:

-Ruins of an alien spacecraft
-Ruins of an alien city
-The body of a hibernating female alien
-Apollo 20 flight plans and mission patches
-The launch of Apollo 20
-William Rutledge walking on the moon

The truth behind the hoax

Like many hoaxes, this story is a mixture of facts and fiction. The starting point for it are photos that Apollo 15 astronauts took while in lunar orbit. The photos show what look like a cigar-shaped object resting in a crater. The hoaxer used these photos to create the image of pock-marked alien spacecraft on the moon. The NASA photos are real. However, NASA never claimed they include images of alien spacecraft. The object in question is nothing more than a natural part of the lunar terrain.

In truth, Apollo 20 was a mission that never got off the ground -- literally. It was one of three lunar missions NASA canceled due to lack of funding along with Apollos 18 and 19. The last NASA lunar mission was Apollo 17, launched in 1972. The next Apollo mission was the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project coordinated by the United States and the former Soviet Union in 1975. However, its mission was to remain in low earth orbit and to dock with a Soviet Soyuz spacecraft, something it accomplished successfully. Some mistakenly refer to that mission as Apollo 18.

Some of the stages for the Saturn V rockets intended for NASA’s last three lunar missions had already been constructed before their cancellation. According to the hoaxer's story, these were all used on lunar missions for Apollos 18, 19 and 20. In reality NASA used one of these to launch Skylab into orbit in 1973. The others are on display at three American space centers: the John F. Kennedy Space Center near Cape Canaveral, Florida; the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas; and the United States Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
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What is This Object in Apollo 11 Footage?
The Eagle has just landed, this is one of the first images recorded and yet on the lunar surface is a clearly artifical object that appears to be observing the Lunar Lander or is it???In part of this vid it speculates that did we did NOT go to the moon implying that this object could be a prop, no i do not succumb to that notion i may add.

link for vid; http://www.ufocasebook.com/2010/apollo11anomaly.html

Possible explanation for object;

1.Dust on the scanner head or film stock;
2.only way to review if this anomolie is actually present in the " origional photo " is to examine the negative
3.even a 1st generation print can ` aquire ` contamination during the enlarging and developing.


If this film is of the moon surface BEFORE any astronaut set foot on the moon then it cannot be equipment ect.


Here are some better resoultions of this object or dust anomaly on the camera;








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What is This Object in Apollo 11 Footage?
The Eagle has just landed, this is one of the first images recorded and yet on the lunar surface is a clearly artifical object that appears to be observing the Lunar Lander or is it???In part of this vid it speculates that did we did NOT go to the moon implying that this object could be a prop, no i do not succumb to that notion i may add.

Possible explanation for object;

1.Dust on the scanner head or film stock;
2.only way to review if this anomolie is actually present in the " origional photo " is to examine the negative
3.even a 1st generation print can ` aquire ` contamination during the enlarging and developing.


If this film is of the moon surface BEFORE any astronaut set foot on the moon then it cannot be equipment ect.



At least we know where it ended up.

Either an alien balloon or a piece of crud on the lens or image plate. It looks slightly more in focus than the background .
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Old 02-12-2010, 01:43 PM   #30
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Stop posting HOAXES then!!!!

So you couldnt care less that your posting Hoaxes ?

Ufology can do without the likes of you, there's enuff dissinfo without you spreading it all over forums....

You need banning m8 you really do....

You are dif's #1 Hoax spreader.......



Who the f£$% do you think you are???? your just an other rank an file "Jeordie" member so get outa here about banning me !!!!!!

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Who the f£$% do you think you are???? your just an other rank an file "Jeordie" member so get outa here about banning me !!!!!!
LOL you cant even spell Geordie right





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Old 02-12-2010, 02:03 PM   #32
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LOL you cant even spell Geordie right





Im Dyslexic! what to make something off it???

The Gift of Dyslexia!!
a fascinating hypothesis about dyslexia.
The author, Ronald D. Davis, is himself dyslexic.
He points out that many famous people were dyslexic,
including Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison.
[And many “many” others, listed further down in this topic]
Perhaps they succeeded in spite of dyslexia,
but they may have succeeded because of the
unique way that dyslexic individuals think.

Dyslexia is a complex reading, writing and learning condition in which letters and numbers are reversed or even seen and written upside down. Dyslexia affects more and more children and adults. It may contribute to functional illiteracy in an estimated 25 million Americans. It also causes low self-esteem and frustration on a massive scale! This article aims to show that dyslexia is not>/i> due to brain damage or stupidity. Many dyslexics are far brighter than average. Treating them as though they are 'dumb' or 'slow' is absolutely incorrect.

The gift of dyslexia is the ability to think multi-dimensionally. While the ability to see in pictures and to change one's point of focus or reference point is a handicap in reading, it can also be a source of creativity and brilliance.

For example, Albert Einstein said he came up with the theory of relativity because he imagined himself riding on a light wave. This task requires a radical shift of perspective that might be much easier for a dyslexic than someone without the dyslexic trait. Recall that dyslexics can see perspectives that a normal person cannot. According to Ronald Davis, dyslexics also process information much faster than others. Both these traits would be helpful for certain creative endeavors.

Dyslexics often excel as engineers, plumbers, inventors and at crafts or artistic pursuits because they can manipulate objects in their head for the purpose of
drawing them, designing them or repairing them.

Since the number of dyslexics is increasing, one wonders whether
dyslexia could be an evolutionary change in which new brain functions are
manifesting in more and more children.
The problem for most dyslexics is they are labeled
learning-disabled in school and are so frustrated they
often don't continue their education to develop their abilities.

Dyslexia, autism and idiot-savant are terms used
to describe mysteries we know little about.
Perhaps we need to shift our paradigm, …

The above are excerpts from this link:
http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/dyslexia.htm


Famous & Noteworthy Dyslexic People include:

~ Artists, Authors, Writers & Composers ~
Agatha Christie
Andy Warhol
Edgar Allan Poe
Ernest Miller Hemmingway
Gustave Flaubert
Hans Christian Anderson
John Lennon
Jules Verne
Lewis Carroll
Ludwig Van Beethoven
Leonardo da Vinci
Mozart
Pablo Picasso
Scott Adams
Vincent van Gogh
Walt Disney
William Shakespeare (possibly)

~ Politicians and Military ~
Benjamin Franklin
John F. Kennedy
General George Patton
George Washington
Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller
Thomas Jefferson
Winston Churchill
Woodrow Wilson

~ Scientists & Inventors ~
Albert Einstein
Alexander Graham Bell
Benjamin Franklin
Galileo Galilei
Henry Ford
Michael Faraday
Nassim Haramein
Thomas Edison

~ Business People ~
Bill Gates (William Henry Gates III)
Charles Schwab
John T. Chambers
Nicholas Negroponte
Paul J. Orfalia
Richard Branson
Steve Jobs>br>
William R. Hewlett (of Hewlett-Packard)
Ted Turner

~ Actors, Athletes & Entertainers ~
Babe Ruth
Cher (Cherylin Sarkisian LaPiere Bono Allman)
Danny Glover
Dustin Hoffman
George Burns
Henry Winkler
Jack Nicholson
Jacky Stewart
Jay Leno
Keanu Reeves
Keira Knightly
Magic Johnson
Mohamed Ali
Orlando Bloom
Patrick Dempsey
Robin Williams
Salma Hayek
Steven Spielberg
Sylvester Stallone
Tom Cruise
Vince Vaughn
Whoopi Goldberg
Woody Harrelson

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Thats false, one minute your trying to get me barred the next????
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Thats false, one minute your trying to get me barred the next????
No its not false dave, you said you werent bothered it was a Hoax so my gripe with you is simply that you dont like it when told some of your posts are Hoaxes.

As for you being dyslexic i am sorry to hear it.

Weve got off on the wrong foot dave im willing to put it all behind us if you are ? after all we are all here to learn from each others experiance.



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dyslexia and ADHD are often copresent, and people with them are often very creative and intelligent people. Their brains are too busy doing 3 or more things at the same time.

I have an ADHD kid. He's brilliant, but he skips the middles of sentences and long words, has horrible handwriting and no sense of rhythm.

But get him going on a pun jag and he's nearly unstoppable.
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Dyslexics often excel as engineers, plumbers, inventors and at crafts or artistic pursuits because they can manipulate objects in their head for the purpose of drawing them, designing them or repairing them.
I call it "mental drafting." I can do it, and I've been working with my oldest to get him to do it too. It can be a very useful tool for those who can't sit still long enough to draw the entire idea before starting work.

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Judge's posts talking to dave reminded me of 2001: A space odyssey.
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dyslexia and ADHD are often copresent, and people with them are often very creative and intelligent people. Their brains are too busy doing 3 or more things at the same time.

I have an ADHD kid. He's brilliant, but he skips the middles of sentences and long words, has horrible handwriting and no sense of rhythm.

But get him going on a pun jag and he's nearly unstoppable.


I call it "mental drafting." I can do it, and I've been working with my oldest to get him to do it too. It can be a very useful tool for those who can't sit still long enough to draw the entire idea before starting work.
Brief step sideways: I have a colleague who is dyslexic. And yet he writes code. Weird.

As you were. No Apollo 20, it's all tosh. Thanks.
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That was pretty funny, even if real.
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