Lawful Coin

spoonogsback · 12-01-2010, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by the maestro
I'm just wondering what makes current coin unlawful? Folks say its not backed by anything but it is, its backed by us and all material assets of the country. Its a share of that in my opinion. Money creation and entry into circulation is corrupt and using men and women for backing is immoral but I'm just interested in what the law is on this that makes it unlawful. Just trying to learn here, I may be way off in my view of money but I've never been able to see that its completely baseless as many FMOTL claim, I think money and its distribution is extremely distorted and unnatural but I don't think the currency has zero backing or legitimacy.

This was posted by Maestro and I felt that it was a topic worthy of it's own thread...... So what say you all ?

karl j · 12-01-2010, 03:08 AM

The subject of money has been complicated over the years... it's basic definition is "that which facilitates the exchange of goods and services" so it can mean anything... in our history it was actually something of value (Gold & Silver) then it was tallies, then paper receipts for the gold or silver, this then became currency (the receipt, a promise to redeem for gold at the gold vaults) now all countries are in bankruptcy so the notes that once promised to pay the bearer in gold now just say legal tender, they are not redeemable and they are worth nothing. It is our belief they are worth something that makes it so.
Quick example.. today we believe the paper has value so we pass it around, when the sky falls and humankind is obliterated try passing that paper around and see if anyone thinks it has value.... the value will be in what you can trade in real goods and services.
Here are links to the best info i can point you too, if you know how to download youtube videos i would suggest you do that as many of these are 1 half hours and moneymasters is 3 half hours long so download and watch at your leisure.
Here are the links http://bit.ly/7E9Alj Oh Canada Movie Home Website http://ohcanadamovie.com/ also http://bit.ly/20ahZK Money as Debt Video. Home Website http://www.moneyasdebt.net/
http://bit.ly/1ahmMl The Money Masters Video. Home Website http://www.themoneymasters.com/
http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse also http://webofdebt.com a book that started me on my quest.

yozhik · 12-01-2010, 07:18 AM

My question is a simple one; where is the quid pro quo?

If it is my assured labour that backs the currency being used, then for my guarantee, where is my consideration?
What do I get in return?

'Use' of the currency is not fair and equitable consideration.

Also, if my assured labour has been guaranteed by another, in the securing of that fiat currency, then this in effect is debt bondage [slavery].
Where was the authority to enter into such an arrangement?

Prior to the transition into fiat currency the money in circulation was backed by gold.
Man's assured labour was not required.

How did we go from man's labour being his own with a gold backed currency, to there being no gold supporting the money in circulation and the man now in debt bondage?

Is that also not double dipping?

Gold gone + debt created?

dharmic one · 12-01-2010, 02:31 PM

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the maestro · 12-01-2010, 02:45 PM

Well it seems very similar to the argument against statues regarding consent and belonging to the society etc. I guess the people in power can do what they like if we consent and that consent is assumed like it is for statues.

So the question becomes how do you extricate yourself from it? Would it be right to renege on credit agreements as FMOTL appears to encorage but still to carry on using money and therefore recognising its value or at least usefulness? I'm presuming everyone on here is still using fiat currency? spoonogsback I know you have a paypal link for donations on your website, I've actually given you some worthless coin

The monetary system is far more incideous than the statute laws we complain about. Maybe the focus of FMOTL movement is entirely wrong? I mean - reform money and all the bullshit we complain about disappears.

Obvious quote:

"Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws.”
Baron M.A. Rothschild

karl j · 13-01-2010, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the maestro

The monetary system is far more incideous than the statute laws we complain about. Maybe the focus of FMOTL movement is entirely wrong? I mean - reform money and all the bullshit we complain about disappears.

Obvious quote:

"Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws.”
Baron M.A. Rothschild

YES.... you got it, there have been people working on this for 40yrs and more, only the power of the internet and instant wide communication has allowed the people to disseminate the information, the problem is you can't use anything else; as all credit, debt, money is controlled by the banks and until the power is taken away from the banks or governments re-establish their right to create money without interest this will continue (till it explodes anyway) the next step is one world currency, resist that at all costs.
There are 3 levels, the unelected controlling elite, the bought and paid for Governments and the People. you can't fight the elites so you take out their medium of control.... Governments..!! and i mean remove all power by not voting, deny consent so in a way the Freeman movement is the right way, just needs another 4 billion to get the idea....

12-01-2010, 02:39 AM	#1
spoonogsback Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: To Call by Phone Posts: 245	Lawful Coin Originally Posted by the maestro I'm just wondering what makes current coin unlawful? Folks say its not backed by anything but it is, its backed by us and all material assets of the country. Its a share of that in my opinion. Money creation and entry into circulation is corrupt and using men and women for backing is immoral but I'm just interested in what the law is on this that makes it unlawful. Just trying to learn here, I may be way off in my view of money but I've never been able to see that its completely baseless as many FMOTL claim, I think money and its distribution is extremely distorted and unnatural but I don't think the currency has zero backing or legitimacy. This was posted by Maestro and I felt that it was a topic worthy of it's own thread...... So what say you all ? __________________ www.tnsradio.ning.com Vin here from TNS RADIO feel free to join the conversation

12-01-2010, 03:08 AM	#2
karl j Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 753	The subject of money has been complicated over the years... it's basic definition is "that which facilitates the exchange of goods and services" so it can mean anything... in our history it was actually something of value (Gold & Silver) then it was tallies, then paper receipts for the gold or silver, this then became currency (the receipt, a promise to redeem for gold at the gold vaults) now all countries are in bankruptcy so the notes that once promised to pay the bearer in gold now just say legal tender, they are not redeemable and they are worth nothing. It is our belief they are worth something that makes it so. Quick example.. today we believe the paper has value so we pass it around, when the sky falls and humankind is obliterated try passing that paper around and see if anyone thinks it has value.... the value will be in what you can trade in real goods and services. Here are links to the best info i can point you too, if you know how to download youtube videos i would suggest you do that as many of these are 1 half hours and moneymasters is 3 half hours long so download and watch at your leisure. Here are the links http://bit.ly/7E9Alj Oh Canada Movie Home Website http://ohcanadamovie.com/ also http://bit.ly/20ahZK Money as Debt Video. Home Website http://www.moneyasdebt.net/ http://bit.ly/1ahmMl The Money Masters Video. Home Website http://www.themoneymasters.com/ http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse also http://webofdebt.com a book that started me on my quest. __________________ He that hath knowledge spareth his words and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit. Proverbs 17:27 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. Proverbs 17:28

12-01-2010, 07:18 AM	#3
yozhik Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Privately Posts: 11,438	My question is a simple one; where is the quid pro quo? If it is my assured labour that backs the currency being used, then for my guarantee, where is my consideration? What do I get in return? 'Use' of the currency is not fair and equitable consideration. Also, if my assured labour has been guaranteed by another, in the securing of that fiat currency, then this in effect is debt bondage [slavery]. Where was the authority to enter into such an arrangement? Prior to the transition into fiat currency the money in circulation was backed by gold. Man's assured labour was not required. How did we go from man's labour being his own with a gold backed currency, to there being no gold supporting the money in circulation and the man now in debt bondage? Is that also not double dipping? Gold gone + debt created? __________________ Anarchism stands for liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion; the liberation of the human body from the dominion of property; liberation from shackles and restraint of government. It stands for social order based on the free grouping of individuals. It [...] maintains that God, the State, and society are non-existent, that their promises are null and void, since they can be fulfilled only through man's subordination. - Emma Goldman

12-01-2010, 02:31 PM	#4
dharmic one Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 256	Cue 6 and asky with their informative and entirely helpful contributions based on verifiable fact and analysis, not opinion and misinformation disguised as such...... __________________ "Life is the coexistence of all opposite values. Joy and sorrow, pleasure and pain, up and down, hot and cold, here and there, light and darkness, birth and death. All experience is by contrast, and one would be meaningless without the other" ~ Deepak Chopra

12-01-2010, 02:45 PM	#5
the maestro Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171	Well it seems very similar to the argument against statues regarding consent and belonging to the society etc. I guess the people in power can do what they like if we consent and that consent is assumed like it is for statues. So the question becomes how do you extricate yourself from it? Would it be right to renege on credit agreements as FMOTL appears to encorage but still to carry on using money and therefore recognising its value or at least usefulness? I'm presuming everyone on here is still using fiat currency? spoonogsback I know you have a paypal link for donations on your website, I've actually given you some worthless coin The monetary system is far more incideous than the statute laws we complain about. Maybe the focus of FMOTL movement is entirely wrong? I mean - reform money and all the bullshit we complain about disappears. Obvious quote: "Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws.” Baron M.A. Rothschild Last edited by the maestro; 12-01-2010 at 05:51 PM.