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Old 12-12-2009, 09:36 PM   #101
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http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_figp32.jpg Thus this bi-lingual inscription records that: "This Sun-Cross (Swastika) was raised to Bil (or Bel, the God of Sun-Fire) by the Kassi (or Cassi-bel[-an]) of Kast of the Siluyr (sub-clan) of the "Khilani" (or Hittite-palace-dwellers), the Phoenician (named) Ikar of Cilicia, the Prwt (or Prat, that is 'Barat' or 'Brihat' or Brit-on)."

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PHOENICIAN ORIGIN OF BRITONS & SCOTS


BAAL WORSHIP

But the religious customs of the Covenant people became corrupted with the religion of the Phoenician Canaanites. The Prophet Elijah's challenge of the Hebrew priests of Baal is one of the most moving Bible accounts. (1 Kings 8:18-40) The Bible indicates that at one time the majority of Hebrew priests and people followed the rituals of Baal worship. Noted 19th century antiquarian, Sir William Betham, made an exhaustive study of the ancient Celtic peoples, and states in his book, The Gael And Cimbri:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...ob_fig005b.jpghttp://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_fig001.jpg

"Baal... has the precise meaning in Gaelic as in Phoenician - the lord of heaven." (p. 226) Many customs hearken back to Palestine, as well; "Even the cakes which the idolatrous Jews, in imitation of the Phoenicians, made in honour of the queen of heaven are still the most popular cake in Ireland under the old name of the barnbrack, or speckled cake." (p. 236)

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Ancient customs and rituals are persistent among mankind, and therefore provide tangible evidence of a people's origins, even where no written proof survives. Betharn comments:

"Thus we see at this day, fires lighted up in Ireland, on the eve of he summer solstice and the equinoxes, to the Phoenician god, Baal, and even called Baal's lire, baltinnes, though the object of veneration be forgotten ..." (p. 222-223) In addition, archeological proof points to a Hebrew Phoenician origin of the Britons and Irish. Betham relates:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...ob_fig005a.jpg

"On an altar-stone, dug up near Kirby Thore, in Westmorland, is this inscription:"DEO BEL ATUCADRO IB[ERUM] VOTUM FECIT IOLUS" The text translates as follows: "To the god Baal, the friend of man, Iolus made his free vow."

Numerous other stone altars to Phoenician gods, which have been discovered in Britain, Ireland, and Gaul, are discussed and translated in Betham's work. Some of the principal finds include altar-stones found in Northumbria and other parts of Britain. He states that these ancient monuments to "Baal, by the ancient British... are unanswerable evidences of the identity of the people of the two Islands {i.e., Britain and Ireland) and Gaul, which the most unwilling and incredulous caviler at etymologies, can scarcely refuse to receive as conclusive. It proves more, for it shows an identity of the deities of the Celtae and the {Hebrew)-Phoenicilans" (p.228-229)

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...ob_fig025a.jpg

Numerous other parallels exist between Celtic and Hebrew Canaanite worship, including mystic well-worship, worship of sacred stones, and the veneration of the autumnal equinoxes. In fact, both the Canaanites and Celts practiced autumnal sacrifices to Baal, which the Celts called, "Baal-tinnes," as previously mentioned.


SUN WORSHIP:AL

The Hebrew word, AL, signifies the sun, and is equivalent to the Phoenician Hal, Greek Halios, Babylonian Il and CeIto-British Heaul. Mallet's "Northern Antiquities," (vol. 2, p.68) states,

"All Celtic nations have been accustomed to the worship of the sun... It was a custom that everywhere prevailed in ancient times to celebrate a feast at the winter solstice, by which men testified their joy at seeing this great luminary return again to this part of the heavens. This was the greatest solemnity of the year. They called it, in many places, Yole or Yuul, from the word Hiaul, which even at this day signifies the sun in the languages of the Bas-Bretagne and Cornwall."

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http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pob/pob...pob_fig037.jpg

Christmas is still called Yule. A Christmas holiday beer, Ale, may be from the same root. Holly and Holy come from the word, heaul, meaning 'to hallow, to deem sacred,' with roots to the Hebrew, 'EL,' God. The German words, 'heilig' and 'ale' mean 'to swear, to call on the name of God.' The words 'all,' 'whole,' and 'heal,' may be related to this.

The Hebrew name for the sun appears in many places in Britain with names beginning with 'Ail,' 'Ayl,' 'Hal,' 'Hayl,' and the like.There are many exarnples, including Albury, Albourne, Alcester, Alby, Althorp, Alton. Allington, Allerton, Alford, Allenby, Alsop, and dozens more.

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THE TOCHARIANS

This great migration was unknown until the 1977 AD discovery of 3500-year-old graves of these people. As a result of the natural dryness of the environment, many of the corpses are almost perfectly preserved, with their reddish-blond hair, long noses, round eyes and finely woven tartan clothing (usually associated with the Celts in Scotland)



Above left and right: One of the most famous Tocharian mummies found, the so-called "Beauty of Loulan"; and right, her face as reconstructed by an artist.



Above left : a close-up of a Tocharian male, and right, a swastika decoration found on a clay bowl recovered from the Tocharian grave sites. The swastika was part of the original Indo-European language, meaning "well being" and the fact that the swastika is today widespread in China as a good luck charm is an indication of just how far the Tocharian influence was felt throughout that country.
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This great migration was unknown until the 1977 AD discovery of 3500-year-old graves of these people. As a result of the natural dryness of the environment, many of the corpses are almost perfectly preserved, with their reddish-blond hair, long noses, round eyes and finely woven tartan clothing (usually associated with the Celts in Scotland)



Above left and right: One of the most famous Tocharian mummies found, the so-called "Beauty of Loulan"; and right, her face as reconstructed by an artist.



Above left : a close-up of a Tocharian male, and right, a swastika decoration found on a clay bowl recovered from the Tocharian grave sites. The swastika was part of the original Indo-European language, meaning "well being" and the fact that the swastika is today widespread in China as a good luck charm is an indication of just how far the Tocharian influence was felt throughout that country.
Cheers for that mac and the other posts interesting info,

Most of the script in Tocharian was a derivative of the Brahmi alphabetic syllabary (abugida) and is referred to as slanting Brahmi, However a smaller amount was written in the Manichaean script in which Manichaean texts were recorded . It soon became apparent that a large proportion of the manuscripts were translations of known Buddhist works in Sanskrit and some of them were even bilingual, facilitating decipherment of the new language. Besides the Buddhist and Manichaean religious texts, there were also monastery correspondence and accounts, commercial documents, caravan permits, and medical and magical texts, and one love poem. Many Tocharians embraced Manichaean dualism or Buddhism.



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A Celt in China: The Mysterious Origins of Cherchen Man

Cherchen Man, who died around 1000 BC, appears to be as Scottish as square sausage – tall, dark-haired, clad in a red tunic and tartan leggings and sporting a beard as ginger as a burning fox. His DNA attests to his Celtic origins. So why on earth, then, was his mummified corpse discovered buried in the barren sands of the Taklamakan Desert, in the far-flung Xinjiang region of western China?

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/malcol...s-cherchen-man

The burial site of Cherchen Man and his people bore other hallmarks of Celtic culture, such as large standing stones that look like British dolmens. He was found buried with what appears to be his family – three women and a baby, all of whom have equally European features. One woman’s hair is light brown, and it looks like it was freshly brushed and braided before her mummification.

An even older Tarim mummy than Cherchen Man is the 4,000-year-old Loulan Beauty – discovered near the town of Loulan – who too has long, flowing fair hair, and features that look to be of Nordic origin. All of these European migrants seem to have been peaceful folk, since very few weapons have been found in their graves, or valuable goods that suggest evidence of a caste system. Nonetheless, they might have done well to learn the meaning of the name of the Taklamakan Desert before they made their long journey there – “you go in,” it translates, “and never come out.”

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The Hebrew name for the sun appears in many places in Britain with names beginning with 'Ail,' 'Ayl,' 'Hal,' 'Hayl,' and the like.There are many exarnples, including Albury, Albourne, Alcester, Alby, Althorp, Alton. Allington, Allerton, Alford, Allenby, Alsop, and dozens more.


Quote LG,

sounds familiar to ATON,some other English towns have this in it.

I never knew that,cheers.(the Aton bit has crossed my mind a few times in the past in relation to this subject).

[url]www.ensignmessage.com/archives/celticmythology[/url].
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There's a 7th century BC Egyptian mummy in Belfast Museum thought you might like to see... and check out the girls hair



http://www.culture24.org.uk/history+...ology/art69940


Notice the beads again... I seen you post this before.

In 1955, archaeologist Dr. Sean O’Riordan of Trinity College, Dublin, made an interesting discovery during an excavation of the Mound of Hostages at Tara, site of ancient kingship of Ireland. Bronze Age skeletal remains were found of what has been argued to be a young prince, still wearing a rare necklace of faience beads, made from a paste of minerals and plant extracts that had been fired.

The skeleton was carbon dated to around 1350 BC. In 1956, J. F. Stone and L. C. Thomas reported that the faience beads were Egyptian: “In fact, when they were compared with Egyptian faience beads, they were found to be not only of identical manufacture but also of matching design.

The famous boy-king Tutankhamun was entombed around the same time as the Tara skeleton and the priceless golden collar around his mummy’s neck was inlayed with matching conical, blue-green faience beads”. An almost identical necklace was found in a Bronze Age burial mound at north Molton, Devon.

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Cheers Mac

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The Irish have always been in protest to English rule – much as saying that Simeon has always resented Joseph. This is an amazing clue, as it was Simeon that actually wanted to kill Joseph, and the one who bound him in chains. No wonder Ireland has problems with England.

From the 'Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs', which is the 'Oskan Armenian Orthodox Bible' of 1666:

' The Testament of Simeon is primarily an attack against resentment. In the Genesis narrative, Simeon is portrayed as having been bound in chains by Joseph, and the author of the Testament argues that Simeon had wanted to kill Joseph due to jealousy, allowing the Testament to continue with a discourse about envy. The narrative of the Testament explains that it was Simeon who had sold Joseph into slavery, and goes on to portray Joseph as the ideal of virtue and generosity. '

Traditionally, Ireland is subdivided into four provinces: Connacht, Leinster, Munster, and Ulster – interesting that 'King Coniah' was the last legitimate king of Judah. Connacht, means 'land of the descendants of Conn'. Wow! What a cookie crumb, huh? #3659 Coniah: {Konyahuw** means 'The Lord will establish'. Coniah is another name for King Jehoiachin of Judah, the next to last king on the throne before the captivity. Zedekiah, aka Mattaniah, was the last king of Judah, placed on the throne by Nebuchadnezzar, so legitimately, by natural succession, Coniah was the last rightful kind of Judah. More than likely, it was the daughters of Coniah that Jeremiah took to the Isles, and not the daughters of Zedekiah.

In Ireland over the last 1,000 years, there have been influences by the Vikings and the Normans, but Basque influence over the Irish produced the 'black Irish'. Recent DNA evidence shows that there may have been Celto-Basque cultural contact through the immigration of the Galacians from Spain and France, known as the pre-Celtic, which would account for the high factor of Rh negative blood found amongst the Celtic peoples than there is in Germanic peoples. This may also account for the 'black Irish', which were not black in skin tone, but they have black hair and darker eye color, vs the reddish-blonde hair and blue or green eyes of most Irish. For this reason, the Irish were not always thought of as being altogether white, combined with their religion of Catholicism, which Protestants dislike, set the stage for discrimination. Much anti-Irish sentiment grew into long and constant hatred after the great potato famine migration of the 1840's, which led to the Irish being called, 'Irish niggers'; the two despised groups [Catholic Black-Irish and Negroes], were often lumped together at the bottom of the American barrel by Protestant citizens.

Simeon and Levi together as brethren. were instruments of cruelty in their habitations. They were to be separated one from another, which they are today by water, government, and religion. While many Irish/Simeonites are Catholic, the Levites are mostly Christian Protestant.

Is it any wonder - if Simeon really was guilty of construing to kill his brother Joseph that he would become plagued with karmic debt. Considering that the Irish have suffered greatly for no other obvious or apparent reason, it could be the sins of Simeon hanging around to haunt them, or the curse of Jacob for his trouble with them. But when all is said and done, you’ve just got to love the Irish – see, when it comes to the Israelites, things can change for the better.

http://the-red-thread.net/Simeon-by-Betmatrho.html


I have been thinking Mac maybe the Royal Family of England are connected to the Tribe Of Dan seeing they have Germanic Links.


http://the-red-thread.net/Dan-by-Betmatrho.html

Who are to say they are the correct ones?

The Queen's Royal Descent from King David of Judah:

http://www.originofnations.org/Royal...of%20Judah.htm

I for one think they are Imposters.

impostor, imposter [ɪmˈpɒstə]

a person who deceives others, esp by assuming a false identity; charlatan
[from Late Latin: deceiver; see impose]
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Hello there... interesting take from the Conn angle LG.

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In the age of modern scholarship, it has become fashionable to demote all ancient history and tradition to the realm of legend, myth and fantasy. In many cases, that is like throwing out the baby with the bath water because there is usually a core of truth handed down in legend. In preparing this article, browsing the web for the "Stone of Scone" led to more articles ridiculing the traditions than those giving them any credence at all. Modern writers have assumed the Stone of Scone must have originated from a local quarry.

I am only aware of two scientific attempts to determine the origin of the stone. The first was by Professor Totten of Yale University. In response to suggestions that it had come from a local quarry, he issued the statement:, "The analysis of the stone shows that there are absolutely no quarries in Scone or Iona wherefrom a block so constituted could possibly have come, nor yet from Tara."[20]

The second study was done by Professor Odlum, who was a geologist and professor of theology at Ontario University. He made microscopic examinations of the stone, comparing it to quarries in both Scotland and Ireland, and found it dissimilar to stones from those areas. He became intrigued with the idea of that it might really be the stone of Jacob. That hypothesis could be tested scientifically by searching to see if a similar type of rock is found near Bethel, where Jacob found his stone. After considerable searching he found some strata rather high near a cliff that had exactly the type of composition he was looking for. He chipped off a piece and later performed microscopic tests. He concluded that his sample "matched perfectly" with the coronation stone.[21]

Desirous for even better proof he sought to get a little piece the size of a pea from the coronation stone, on which he could perform chemical tests. When he petitioned the Archbishop of Canterbury for such a piece, the reply was that it would take an act of Parliament signed by the King, and even then he wouldn't provide it.

To the best of my knowledge that was the end of a really fine scientific experiment which could at least partially validate the claim that the stone might have come from Bethel. This is an excellent example of how science can indeed be used to validate historical traditions. They cannot provide proof, but can greatly add to the credibility of a story. What is needed now is a really thorough scientific study of the stone to verify its authenticity.



Preliminary geological studies have indicated that the Stone of Destiny, upon which British monarchs have been crowned for centuries might indeed be the stone of Jacob as tradition asserts, because it matches a formation near Bethel, the Biblical location of the stone the prophet Jacob found. Further scientific testing is now required, such as a thorough chemical composition comparison, and even that can only confirm the possibility that the stone is authentic. In any case, on this fiftieth anniversary of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II, we can pause to pay respect to what very well might be the continuation of the unbroken line of succession of kings reigning over the children of Israel, from King David, over three thousand years ago.

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http://www.churchofgod.hu/pictures/h...of_juda_01.jpg
Very interesting

Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist. In the context of these prophecies, Samson's riddle may be a prophecy that the descendants of the tribe of Dan will one day try to destroy the tribe of Judah in jealous revenge for God's judgement on their idolatry. From the carcass of the young lion [Judaism] the tribe of Dan [typified by the bees] will attempt to produce a golden age [symbolized by honey]. The conspiracy of the tribe of Dan, aka the Synagogue of Satan, to steal the messianic birthright from the tribe of Judah and establish a false messianic kingdom in Israel.

http://watch.pair.com/dan.html

What do you think of that?

GS Likes Bees.

and what is with the Queen and all the Egyptian symbolism.

The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth Windsor - An Overview of the Occult Symbolism Involved.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7961538/Mi...lved-Slideshow

Apparently the Term Britain comes from the Phoenicians and not Hebrew.

BARATANA.

also check page 15 on link.

I wonder who's head the Cap of maintenance is going on seeing they are already making suggestions.
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Several obscure prophecies in the Bible point to the fact that the tribe of Dan will produce the Antichrist. In the context of these prophecies, Samson's riddle may be a prophecy that the descendants of the tribe of Dan will one day try to destroy the tribe of Judah in jealous revenge for God's judgement on their idolatry. From the carcass of the young lion [Judaism] the tribe of Dan [typified by the bees] will attempt to produce a golden age [symbolized by honey]. The conspiracy of the tribe of Dan, aka the Synagogue of Satan, to steal the messianic birthright from the tribe of Judah and establish a false messianic kingdom in Israel.

http://watch.pair.com/dan.html

What do you think of that?

GS Likes Bees.

and what is with the Queen and all the Egyptian symbolism.

The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth Windsor - An Overview of the Occult Symbolism Involved.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7961538/Mi...lved-Slideshow

Apparently the Term Britain comes from the Phoenicians and not Hebrew.

BARATANA.

also check page 15 on link.

I wonder who's head the Cap of maintenance is going on seeing they are already making suggestions.
It all seems to point in the same direction LG... good links thanks.

II. Consider the People

The Arcadian roots of the Merovingians, Spartans and Celts seem to be connected to the tribe of Dan because of their use of Dan-related place-names, personal names and peculiarities, i.e., Baal/goddess worship and architectural skills.




Brian mac Cennétig, called Brian Bóruma - Boru

THE LAST GREAT HIGH KING OF IRELAND:

The line between Irish Legend and Irish Myth has often been blurred, especially as the retelling of heroic deeds has been passed on through generations.

Brian Boru was no legend although his life deeds were legendary. He was very much a real man and was in fact the last great High King of Ireland and perhaps the greatest military leader the country has ever known.

Brian Boru was born Brian Mac Cennétig. His mother was sister to the mother of Conor, the King of Connaught.



You know others from the Cennétig clan?

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com..._bloodline.htm

Former U.S Presidents

Former President Eisenhower Type O-Neg
Former President John F. Kennedy Type AB-Neg
Former President Richard Nixon Type O-Neg
Former President Bill Clinton AB-Neg
Former President George W. Bush Sr. Type A-Neg

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Some interesting posts there mac, cheers.
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No worries decim... Have learnt a load from you lot here.
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Yes cheers for the posts mac Excuse the Size.

Another article I came across,



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That's interesting too, excellent thanks... lol
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I reckon its out to confuse everyone.

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Makes you wonder if 'their' DNA database is dual purpose...

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I go with my feelings when all else fails
More of a focus on the Byzantine side...

Funny how the gene fits with the other evidence, jolly good show...
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you might already know that, but somewhere i've heard that in late antiquity the tribe of dan settled in denmark (dan's mark), from there invaded britain (mainly) between 800 and 1000 AD, and made up the aristocracy in this region, which is why the british monarchy traces herself back to the house of david.
TRIBE OF DAN

DAN IS GERMANY & DENMARK

Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein

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