James Randi versus the Psychic mediums

[nicolaj]

Originally Posted by the moral man

Dear Friends
kind regards
Here is a clip of James Randi dissecting Char Margolis's psychic reading for a Fox news journalist.


James Randi exposes Peter Popoff.


Peter Popoff was exposed by James Randi back in the 80's but he is still around today conning people.
These Psychics and TV Evangelists who are knowingly scamming poverty stricken and ignorant people should be rounded up and put on trial, they are the scum of the Earth.
The Democracies don't do enough about exposing and ridding their societies of these fraudsters.
yours thankfully
John

hope he continues too shame them all...why not take his million dollar challenge if genuine..

scams the lot of them..playing on peoples misery

[the moral man]

Originally Posted by supertzar

Do you want to talk about the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, Moral Man? It is ever so slightly off topic, but I think it is important. How about the "blackmail tape" of James Randi trying to talk underage boys into having sex?

Dear supertzar
kind regards
I have heard about James Randi's involvement with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, they are an organisation that claims that many adults are imagining their past child abuse claims.
Here is a link about this.
1. http://www.erichufschmid.net/Pedophile-trick.html
I know that David Icke has some very candid details about James Randi in his book The biggest secret.
Here is the quote from page 353.

James Randi, a magician known as the amazing Randi. Amazing indeed to hear a tape of him, as I have, propositioning teenage boys for sex and boasting about his "nine inch willy". Or maybe that tape and the transcript in my file is a false memory.
Randi has also been used to discredit psychic powers and phenomena through a ludicrous organization called the Committee for the investigation of Claims of the paranormal or CSICOP.
This is headed by Paul Kurtz, the chairman of Promethus books, which publishes the works of James Randi and books about children's sexual encounters with adults.

It looks like the "Amazing Randi" might not be so good after all.
I wonder why Mr Randi hasn't taken David Icke to task over these allegations.
Maybe James Randi is such a sinful man that he wants to believe that when he dies that there is nothing more because he doesn't want to account for anything that he has done.
The fact is that if Mr Randi is as villainous as David Icke and Eric Hufschmid say that he is then the fraudster peddlers of spirituality (famous Mediums and TV Evangelists) are helping him gain more and more credibility.
yours thankfully
John

[e7304]

The amazing Randi, is an illusionist and an illusionist is there to trick you. It does not matter how he does it, but it doesnt mean everyone else does it, who he so-calls "disproves".

Years ago he destroyed a biologists career basically, because this biologist was investigating "the memory of water". Basically Randi destroyed his experiments, which were being done in 3 different countries at the time, but Randi and his "team" (all non experts, but devoted "randy-ists...and all quite young...ermm) CONCENTRATED AT ONLY ONE SITE. While the other 2 sites confirmed this amazing nature of water, Randi's team....after 4 experiments supported the findings of the other 2 sites....insisted they could have total access to the last experiment, even covering aparatus with alfoil, so no "outside" influence could be involved.

The very nature of the tests were very sensitive, and this intrusion, under normal circumstances would be seen as sabotage, were allowed by the investigating body. This test proved negative and Randi and his inquistion claimed victory...and got news headlines in every skeptical/MSM science mag world wide. All the other confirming tests were ignored. But that what "skeptics" are about, not truth or science, but religious zeal for their cause (and money from Big Pharma).

Just like his million dollar "reward", he has to cheat to show that HE knows it all and his paradigm is intact.

He is a little manipulative shit.....and by the way Geller, who has been paid millions from mining companies to find deposits...well the last time I looked, didnt seem to concerned by the little conman.

They exist on both sides...

[the moral man]

Originally Posted by e7304

He is a little manipulative shit.....and by the way Geller, who has been paid millions from mining companies to find deposits...well the last time I looked, didnt seem to concerned by the little conman.

Dear e7304
kind regards
James Randi has done a good job of making Geller look stupid, but there are always people who keep falling for the nonsense of shysters like him.
Wacko Jacko was a devotee of Geller and God knows how much Geller conned from him.
Randi made Geller look stupid on Kerrang radio.


James Randi talks about Geller being exposed endlessly even in his own native Israel.


Geller has changed from being a psychic to a mystifier and hasn't given an explanation as to why he has done this even though he was challenged by James Randi for doing so.
I am sure that James Randi has hit Geller in the wallet by his constant exposing of the deceptions that this mystifier uses.
As I said, in my view, these people who peddle spiritual deceptions for unlimited profits are scum and need to be bought to account for their lies.
yours thankfully
John

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Originally Posted by e7304

and by the way Geller, who has been paid millions from mining companies to find deposits...

I don't see why this is a relevant fact at all. He MAY well have been paid handsomely....(let's remove the need for any evidence other than geller saying he has out of the equation).... it doesn't look like he actually came up with much.

Why would one waste time doing tv shows for little money and playing a desperate fame game when he could be out there daily making millions upon millions for oil companies and other mining endeavours? Because he didn't find anything substantial in nature to keep himself in a job, that's why. There's a reason scientists and geologists are hired over psychics....hmm i wonder why?

Geller is only interested in money and his ego. For a man who can do such apparent wonders and is spiritually more evolved than the rest of us it seems an awful materialistic existence he chooses.

[the moral man]

Originally Posted by reptilianshapeshifter

I don't see why this is a relevant fact at all. He MAY well have been paid handsomely....(let's remove the need for any evidence other than geller saying he has out of the equation).... it doesn't look like he actually came up with much.

Why would one waste time doing tv shows for little money and playing a desperate fame game when he could be out there daily making millions upon millions for oil companies and other mining endeavours? Because he didn't find anything substantial in nature to keep himself in a job, that's why. There's a reason scientists and geologists are hired over psychics....hmm i wonder why?

Geller is only interested in money and his ego. For a man who can do such apparent wonders and is spiritually more evolved than the rest of us it seems an awful materialistic existence he chooses.

Dear reptilianshapeshifter
kind regards
The reason why people heap scorn on people like Uri Geller, Sylvia Browne and the TV Evangelists is because they use spiritual matters to rake in the cash.
As Jesus said 'by their fruits you shall know them'.
If a businessman drives a big car and has a big mansion, then no one bats an eyelid (except in admiration or envy) because he is a secular man who is known for making making money by secular means.
If someone claims to be spiritual and makes a fortune on the back of his teachings then that person is a fraudster.
These people could have used their inventive minds to build an honourable business profession, but instead they have to exploit spiritual to exploit people.
They are truly despicable people with a lack of conscience.
yours thankfully
John

[ndc777]

Peter Popoff

He sounds like a character from Viz who has a bad flatulence problem!

[reptilianshapeshifter]

Originally Posted by ndc777

Peter Popoff

He sounds like a character from Viz who has a bad flatulence problem!

hahahahahaha

[e7304]

Originally Posted by the moral man

Dear e7304
kind regards
James Randi has done a good job of making Geller look stupid, but there are always people who keep falling for the nonsense of shysters like him.
Wacko Jacko was a devotee of Geller and God knows how much Geller conned from him.
Randi made Geller look stupid on Kerrang radio

I first heard about Geller when I was teenager. It wasnt until my early 20's that I read a book by Colin Wilson called The Occult. Now I am not getting warm 'n cosy with a story. But his thinking opened a gap in mine, and with so many physicists making statements that confirm that Geller..... has some sort of kinetic ability......and all these people ,quite a few "bright" minds were suddenly "decieved"...I find that hard to accept. If wacko Jacko became a fan, I think its more about Gellers wacky ways (which he always has had and like attracts like).

Geller has changed from being a psychic to a mystifier and hasn't given an explanation as to why he has done this even though he was challenged by James Randi for doing so.
I am sure that James Randi has hit Geller in the wallet by his constant exposing of the deceptions that this mystifier uses.
As I said, in my view, these people who peddle spiritual deceptions for unlimited profits are scum and need to be bought to account for their lies.
yours thankfully
John

Thats an interesting last paragraph.

We could start with every major religion on the planet.....but we wont.

Firstly, I think Geller HAS turned from a psychic into something else. What that is I dont know. But he has joined the circus of money-making web sites. I know from what I have read years ago, is that he has always been a showman, just like Randi, and even when there were scientific testing being done , it was usually when he was touring.

Putting that aside, quantum physics has allowed, if you like, the effect of human consiousness on matter. Now geller was originally seen for his ability to "affect metal", by spoon bending ,KEY bending ,effects on compasses etc. It appears to have helped him ,somewhat with dowsing. If these "scientists" were decieved, then why bother with science. Because if these "top" scientists cant tell deception from truth, then the magicians rule the world!!...which I think alot of people on this website would agree on, anyway

Mind reading is something I did not associate with the early Geller phenomenon. If his "maturing mind" or "maturing body" has had a detrimental effect on his abilities (physical), and he being a showman, living an exorberant lifestyle (probably why Jacko liked him), that would acount for his mind games. That interview with Kerang was mystifying, but did make him look very guilty, but once again listen to it and how it appears Geller purposely makes himself look guilty...he does not deny anything or confirm anything....it was bizzare...and how he says in a way, I will hang up and thankyou your show has done more for me than you realise..type of talking...and remember what he said about Oscar Wilde?.

I think he likes Randi in a round about way

Like I said, this aint my area with Geller. With the physical side, so many witnesses said that he would just touch or lightly stroke a metallic object , then walk away basically, while the witnesses watched the object bend when he had gone. I am not saying he did this with his mind, as I dont honestly know. But enough people witnessed it, and also he was studied under laboratory protocols i e 70's , before he became quite a showman.

I recall reading years ago, that metallurgists studied objects he had bent, and they claimed that they were not bent by physical force, but appeared to be that way in structure.

Could he be a hypnotist?. Most probably as he is a showman. Could he substitue objects while not touching them while people are all watching the object.? Sounds far fetched, but master illusionists do amazing things.

But at the end of the day, unless he has some sort of super "liquid" that can bend metal just by a smear without being felt by the person holding the object, it comes down to occams razor....showman he is, no doubt, made plenty of money (which he cant hold onto)...and the Gary McAlister story he told on Kerrang was so far out it was hilarious.

I would like to meet him one day.......but I would leave my wallet in a secure safe prior.