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brown velvet 26-07-2008 04:23 PM

José González

Originally Posted by hunkahunka (Post 434703)
anyone want to take a stab at the imagery in this video?
I see a lot of trauma mind control references

Hi :)

I have wanted to know what anyone thinks to this piece of work.....?

don't know how to make it all look 'pretty' with a video image to click and watch, so you get the naked link :p


cheeb 26-07-2008 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by soulja (Post 434624)
this reminds me at Britney when we had that whole ''brit went mad'' episode of her.

so why would she went utterly mad and declare herself to be the anti christ ?
also trying to kill herself ? seems to me like she had backflashes, amnesiac barriers that broke allowing memories of abuse and other horrific stuff that was done to her AND what she has done to others (forced to do) to flood her conscious mind. that would also explain her suicide attempt as wheeler and others have pointed out that once those deep traumatic memories are accessed the suicide alter(s) kick in.

like Richie James Edwards she shaved her head at that time

When a Body & Soul employee looked at the pop star in disbelief and asked why she shaved her head, Spears said, "I don't want anyone touching me. I'm tired of everybody touching me," Us Weekly reports.

anyway seems like they have ''fixed'' her now.

btw didn't she have a song called '' I'm a Slave for U'' ?
with parts of the hook going like '' Im a slave for you, I cannot hold it, I cannot control it.''

It's There In Black And White,
Before The Programming Broke Down...


The ordeal began when she terrified staff by writing the number of the beast on her head and running around the clinic screaming, "I am the anti-christ!"

"The clinic people just didn't know what to do," a friend claimed.

The pop star then tried to hang herself with a bedsheet was but was found before she could hurt herself.

Spears, who hid her recently-sheared head under a brown wig and hat when she left Malibu's Promises treatment centre to attend an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, shocked onlookers by revealing the strange doodles all over the backs of her hands.

Flowers and the word Push
could be made out among the scribbles.

Britneys Tattoos


Her foot tattoo, tattooed in NY in the summer of 2004, is of a kanji for "freedom" with a vine and butterfly added around it. She got it to symbolize that she was "free as a butterfly" but really, was she living her life freely at the time? Given the amount of handlers and managers in her life, I'm guessing she was yearning more for a free life and not really living it


Britney With Monarch Butterfly

Monarch Butterfly

Here Is A Small List Of Other Divas (Princess Altars)
With Butterfly Tattoos

* Drew Barrymore: has one on her abdomen, right under her belly button.
* Maria Carey: has a lower back butterfly tattoo (fake or not?).
* Paris Hilton: has a small butterfly tattoo on her back (could be temporary).
* Kelis: has a butterfly on her stomach.
* Dolly Parton: country star with a flutterby on her chest.
* Julia Roberts: has a lower back butterfly.
* Britney Spears: has a butterfly tattoo on her left foot.

The Monarch Butterfly Also Turns Up In Taxi Driver

The Monarch butterfly is also represented by Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver in the very scene where she is specifically linking herself to the other sugar-loving lolitas.

That Film Has A Whole Host Of Things Going On In It...

Child Prostitution,
Travis Bickle Shaves His Hair Before Going His Killing Spree,,
And Attempts To Blow His Brains Out But Fails...


Ruby Slippers..

This One Might Even Need It's Own Peice

soulja 26-07-2008 04:45 PM

"The Greenbaum Speech"
Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse - D. C. Hammond Ph.D.

Herein is the lecture by D. C. Hammond, originally entitled "Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse," but now usually known as the "Greenbaum Speech," delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. Sponsored by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The Psychiatric Institute of Washington, D.C. Both a tape and a transcript were at one time available from Audio Transcripts of Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111). Tapes and transcripts of other sessions from the conference are still being sold but -- understandably -- not this one. The transcript below was made from a privately made tape of the original lecture.

The single most remarklable thing about this speech is how little one has heard of it in the two years since its original delivery. It is recommended that one reads far enough at least until one finds why it's called "the Greenbaum speech."



We've got a lot to cover today and let me give you a rough approximate outline of the the things that I'd like us to get into.

First, let me ask how many of you have had at least one course or workshop on hypnosis? Can I see the hands? Wonderful. That makes our job easier. Okay. I want to start off by talking a little about trance-training and the use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-disorder population, to talk some about unconscious exploration, methods of doing that, the use of imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for managing physical symptoms, input overload, things like that.

Before the day's out, I want to spend some time talking about something I think has been completely neglected in the field of dissociative disorder, and that's talking about methods of profound calming for automatic hyper-arousal that's been conditioned in these patients. We're going to spend a considerable length of time talking about age-regression and abreaction in working through a trauma. I'll show you with a non-MPD patient -- some of that kind of work -- and then extrapolate from what I find so similar and different with MPD cases. Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I've been very sensitive through the years about taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse cases, part of it being that some of that feels a little like using patients and I think that this population has been used enough. That's part of the reason, by choice, that I don't generally videotape my work.

I also want to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse-prevention strategies and post-integration therapy today. Finally, I hope to find somewhere in our time-frame to spend on hour or so talking specifically about ritual abuse and about mind-control programming and brainwashing -- how it's done, how to get on the inside with that -- which is a topic that in the past I haven't been willing to speak about publicly, have done that in small groups and in consultations, but recently decided that it was high time that somebody started doing it. So we're going to talk about specifics today. [Applause]

In Chicago at the first international congress where ritual abuse was talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange and interesting." I can recall many people listening to an example given that somebody thought was so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up after saying, "Gee, you're treating one, too? You're in Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well, I'm in Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati." I didn't know what to think at that point. It wasn't too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient in somebody I was already treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet.

Things in that case made me very curious about the use of mind-control techniques and hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. So I started studying brainwashing and some of the literature in that area and became acquainted with, in fact, one of the people who'd written one of the better books in that area. Then I decided to do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D [International Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and Dissociation] folks I picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I though were seeing more of that than probably anyone else around and I started surveying them.

The interview protocol, that I had. got the same reaction almost without exception.

Those therapists said, "You're asking questions I don't know the answers to. You're asking more specific questions than I've ever asked my patients." Many of those same therapists said, "Let me ask those questions and I'll get back to you with the answer." Many of them not only got back with answers, but said, "You've got to talk to this patient or these two patients." I ended up doing hundred of dollars worth of telephone interviewing. What I came out of that was a grasp of a variety of brainwashing methods being used all over the country.

I started to hear some similarities. Whereas I hadn't known, to begin with, how widespread things were, I was now getting a feeling that there were a lot of people reporting some similar things and that there must be some degree of communication here. Then approximately two and a half years ago I had some material drop in my lap. My source was saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about some of the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material I had no idea about.

At this point I took and decided to check it out in three ritual-abuse patients I was seeing at the time. Two of the three had what they were describing, in careful inquiry without leading or contaminating. The fascinating thing was that as I did a telephone-consult with a therapist that I'd been consulting for quite a number of months on an MPD case in another state, I told her to inquire about certain things.

She said, "Well, what are those things?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you, because I don't want there to be any possibility of contamination. Just come back to me and tell me what the patient says." She called me back two hours later, said, "I just had a double session with this patient and there was a part of him that said, 'Oh, we're so excited. If you know about this stuff, you know how the Cult Programmers get on the inside and our therapy is going to go so much faster.'" Many other patients since have had a reaction of wanting to pee their pants out of anxiety and fear rather than thinking it was wonderful thing. But the interesting thing was that she then asked, "What are these things?" They were word perfect -- same answers my source had given me. I've since repeated that in many parts of the country.

I've consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in some cases over the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases giving the therapist information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful how you phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don't contaminate."

In other cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so they couldn't. When you start to find the same highly esoteric information in different states and different countries, from Florida to California, you start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very large, very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and sytematicness to what's happening. So I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse is real and that the people who say it isn't are either naive like people who didn't want to believe the Holocaust or -- they're dirty. [Applause]

Now for a long time I would tell a select group of therapists that I knew and trusted, information and say, "Spread it out. Don't spread my name. Don't say where it came from. But here's some information. Share it with other therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate your feedback."

People would question -- in talks -- and say, you know, they were hungry for information. Myself, as well as a few others that I've shared it with, were hedging out of concern and out of personal threats and out of death threats. I finally decided to hell with them. If they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. It's time to share more information with therapists. Part of that comes because we proceeded so cautiously and slowly, checking things in many different locations and find the same thing. So I'm going to give you the way in with ritual-abuse programming. I certainly can't tell you everything that you want to know in forty-five or fifty minutes, but I'm going to give you the essentials to get inside and start working at a new level. I don't know what proportion, honestly, of patients have this. I would guess that maybe somewhere around at least fifty percent, maybe as high as three-quarters, I would guess maybe two-thirds of your ritual-abuse patients may have this.

What do I think the distinguishing characteristic is? If they were raised from birth in a mainstream cult or if they were an non-bloodline person, meaning neither parent was in the Cult, but Cult people had a lot of access to them in early childhood, they may also have it. I have seen more than one ritual-abuse patient who clearly had all the kind of ritual things you hear about. They seemed very genuine. They talked about all the typical things that you hear in this population, but had none of this programming with prolonged extensive checking.

So I believe in one case I was personally treating that she was a kind of schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone off and done their own thing and were no longer hooked into a mainstream group. [Pause]

Here's where it appears to have come from. At the end of World War II, before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people from our Intelligence Community were already in Switzerland making contact to get out Nazi scientists. As World War II ends, they not only get out rocket scientists, but they also get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing mind-control research in the camps.

They brought them to the United States. Along with them was a young boy, a teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult because at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier.

I suspect it may have formed some bond between them. But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They brought him with them. They started doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence in military hospitals in the United States. The people that came, the Nazi doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name, Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and continued this work that appears to be at the center of Cult Programming today. His name is known to patients throughout the country. [Pause]

What they basically do is they will get a child and they will start this, in basic forms, it appears, by about two and a half after the child's already been made dissociative. They'll make him dissociative not only through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also things like putting a mousetrap on their fingers and teaching the parents, "You do not go in until the child stops crying. Only then do you go in and remove it." They start in rudimentary forms at about two and a half and kick into high gear, it appears, around six or six and a half, continue through adolescence with periodic reinforcements in adulthood.

Basically in the programming the child will be put typically on a gurney. They will have an IV in one hand or arm. They'll be strapped down, typically naked. There'll be wires attached to their head to monitor electroencephalograph patterns. They will see a pulsing light, most often described as red, occasionally white or blue. They'll be given, most commonly I believe, Demerol. Sometimes it'll be other drugs as well depending on the kind of programming. They have it, I think, down to a science where they've learned you give so much every twenty-five minutes until the programming is done.

They then will describe a pain on one ear, their right ear generally, where it appears a needle has been placed, and they will hear weird, disorienting sounds in that ear while they see photic stimulation to drive the brain into a brainwave pattern with a pulsing light at a certain frequency not unlike the goggles that are now available through Sharper Image and some of those Kinds of stores. Then, after a suitable period when they're in a certain brainwave state, they will begin programming, programming oriented to self-destruction and debasement of the person.

In a patient at this point in time about eight years old who has gone through a great deal early programming took place on a military installation. That's not uncommon. I've treated and been involved with cases who are part of this original mind-control project as well as having their programming on military reservations in many cases.

We find a lot of connections with the CIA. This patient now was in a Cult school, a private Cult school where several of these sessions occurred a week. She would go into a room, get all hooked up. They would do all of these sorts of things. When she was in the proper altered state, now they were no longer having to monitor it with electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed on her electrodes, one in the vagina, for example, four on the head.

Sometimes they'll be on other parts of the body. They will then begin and they would say to her, "You are angry with someone in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not" and they'd violently shock her. They would say the same thing until she complied and didn't make any negative response. Then they would continue. "And because you are angry with someone in the group," or "When you are angry with someone in the group, you will hurt yourself. Do you understand?" She said, "No" and they shocked her. They repeated again, "Do you understand?" "Well, yes, but I don't want to." Shock her again until they get compliance. Then they keep adding to it. "And you will hurt yourself by cutting yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe she'd say yes, but they might say, "We don't believe you" and shock her anyway. "Go back and go over it again." They would continue in this sort of fashion. She said typically it seemed as though they'd go about thirty minutes, take a break for a smoke or something, come back. They may review what they'd done and stopped or they might review what they'd done and go on to new material. She said the sessions might go half an hour, they might go three hours. She estimated three times a week.

Programming under the influence of drugs in a certain brainwave state and with these noises in one ear and them speaking in the other ear, usually the left ear, associated with right hemisphere non-dominant brain functioning, and with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense concentration, intense focusing. Because often they'll have to memorize and say certain things back, word-perfect, to avoid punishment, shock, and other kinds of things that are occurring. This is basically how a lot of programming goes on. Some of it'll also use other typical brainwashing kinds of techniques.

There will be very standardized types of hypnotic things done at times. There'll be sensory deprivation which we know increases suggestibility in anyone. Total sensory deprivation, suggestibility has significantly increased, from the research. It's not uncommon for them to use a great deal of that, including formal sensory-deprivation chambers before they do certain of these things. [Pause]

Now let me give you, because we don't have a lot of time, as much practical information as I can. The way that I would inquire as to whether or not some of this might be there would be with ideomotor finger-signals. After you've set them up I would say, "I want the central inner core of you to take control of the finger-signals." Don't ask the unconscious mind. The case where you're inquiring about ritual abuse, that's for the central inner core. The core is a Cult-created part. "And I want that central inner core of you to take control of this hand of these finger-signals and what it has for the yes-finger to float up. I want to ask the inner core of you is there any part of you, any part of Mary," that's the host's name, "who knows anything about Alpha, Beta, Delta, or Theta." If you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag that you might have someone with formal intensive brainwashing and programming in place. I would then ask and say, "I want a part inside who knows something about Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Theta to come up to a level where you can speak to me and when you're here say, 'I'm here.'" I would not ask if a part was willing to. No one's going to particularly want to talk about this. I would just say, "I want some part who can tell me about this to come out." Without leading them ask them what these things are. I've had consults where I've come in. Sometimes I've gotten a Yes to that, but as I've done exploration it appeared to be some kind of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two or three cases, to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe they were in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was obvious that they did not have what we were looking for.

Let me tell you what these are. Let's suppose that this whole front row here are multiples and that she has an alter named Helen and she has one named Mary, she has one named Gertrude, she has one named Elizabeth, and she has one named Monica. Every one of those alters may have put on it a program, perhaps designated alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult person could say, "Alpha-zero-zero-nine" or make some kind of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same part out in any one of them even though they had different names that they may be known by to you. Alphas appear to represent general programming, the first kind of things put in. Betas appear to be sexual programs. For example, how to perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals, having to do with producing child pornography, directing child pornography, prostitution. Deltas are killers trained in how to kill in ceremonies. There'll also be some self-harm stuff mixed in with that, assassination and killing. Thetas are called psychic killers.

You know, I had never in my life heard those two terms paired together. I'd never heard the words "psychic killers" put together, but when you have people in different states, including therapists inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and patients say to them, "Psychic killers," it tends to make one a believer that certain things are very systematic and very widespread.

This comes from their belief in psychic sorts of abilities and powers, including their ability to psychically communicate with "mother'" including their ability to psychically cause somebody to develop a brain aneurysm and die. It also is a more future-oriented kind of programming.

Then there's Omega. I usually don't include that word when I say my first question about this or any part inside that knows about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta because Omega will shake them even more. Omega has to do with self-destruct programming. Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. This can include self-mutilation as well as killing-themselves programming. Gamma appears to be system-protection and deception programming which will provide misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell you half-truths, protect different things inside.

There can also be other Greek letters. I'd recommend that you go and get your entire Greek alphabet and if you have verified that some of this stuff is present and they have given you some of the right answers about what some of this material is, and I can't underline enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is this killers?" Get the answer from them, please. When you've done this and it appears to be present, I would take your entire Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor signals, go through the alphabet and say, "Is there any programming inside associated with epsilon, omicron," and go on through.

There may be some sytematicness to some of the other letter, but I'm not aware of it. I've found, for example, in one case that Zeta had to do with the production of snuff films that this person was involved with. With another person, Omicron had to do with their linkage and associations with drug smuggling and with the Mafia and with big business and government leaders. So there's going to be some individualism, I think, in some of those. Some of those are come-home programs, "come back to the Cult", "return to the Cult" program.

Here's the flaw in the system. They have built in shut-down and erasure codes so if they got into trouble they could shut something down and they could also erase something. These codes will sometimes be idiosyncratic phrases, or ditties. Sometimes they will be numbers maybe followed by a word. There's some real individuality to that. At first I had hoped if we can get some of these maybe they'll work with different people. No such luck. It's very unlikely unless they were programmed at about the same point in time as part of the same little group.

Stuff that I've seen suggests that they carry laptop computers, the programmers, which still include everything that they did twenty, thirty years ago in them in terms of the names of alters, the programs, the codes, and so on. Now what you can do is get erasure codes, and I always ask, "If I say this code, what will happen?' Doublecheck. "Is there any part inside who has different information?" Watch your ideomotor signals and what I've found is you can erase programs by giving the appropriate codes, but then you must abreact the feelings.

So if you erase Omega, which is often where I've started because it's the most high risk. Afterwards I will get all the Omega, what were formerly Omega alters, together so that we will abreact and give back to the host the memories associated with all the programming that was done with Omega and anything any Omega part ever had to do in a fractionated abreaction. They use the metaphor -- and it is their metaphor -- of robots. and it is like a robot shell comes down over the child alter to make them act in robotic fashion. Once in a while internally you'll confront robots.

What I found from earlier work, and so I speed the process up now because I confirmed it enough times, is that you can say to the core, "Core, I want you to look -- there's this robot blocking the way in some way, blocking the progress. Go around and look at the back of the head and tell me what you notice on the back of the head or the neck." I just ask it very non-leading like that and what's commonly said to me is that there were wires or a switch. So I'll tell them, "Hold the wires or flip the switch and it will immobilize the robot and give me a yes-signal when you've done it." Pretty soon you get a yes-signal. "Great. Now that the robot is immobilized, I want you to look inside the robot and tell me what you see." It's generally one or several children. I have them remove the children. I do a little hypnotic magic and ask the core to use a laser and vaporize the robot so nothing is left. They're usually quite amazed that this works, as have been a number of therapists. [Pause]

Now there are many different layers of this stuff is the problem. Let me come over to the overhead and give some ideas about them. What we have up here are innumerable alters. I'll tell you one of the fascinating things I've seen. I remember a little over a year ago coming in to see some cases, some of the tough cases at a dissociative-disorders unit of a couple of the finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who are always part of all the international meetings, have lectured internationally.

We worked and I look at some of their patients. They were amazed at certain things because they had not been aware of this before. As we worked with some of the patients and confirmed it, I remember one woman who'd been inpatient for three years, still was inpatient. Another who had one intensive year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD therapy you can imagine -- abreactions, integrations, facilitating cooperation, art therapy, on and on and on, journaling, intensively for one inpatient year followed by an intensive year of outpatient therapy two, three hours a week.

In both patients we found out that all of this great work had done nothing but deal with the alters up here and had not touched the mind-control programming. In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the one who was outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by her mother, out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she still had intact suggestions that had been give to her at a certain future time to kill her therapist.

Now one of the things that I would very carefully check is, I would suggest that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind, ask the core, "Is there any part inside that continues to have contact with people associated with the Cult? Is there any part inside who goes to Cult rituals or meetings? Is there a recording device inside of Mary," if that's the host's name, "a recording device inside so that someone can find out the things that are said in sessions?" This doesn't mean they're monitored. Many of them just simply have it. "Is there someone who debriefs some part inside for what happens in our therapy sessions?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some past experience that when you look at this you will find the large proportion of ritual-abuse victims in this country are having their ongoing therapy monitored.

I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, claimed her father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was six. After that it would only when her father had visitation and he would take her to rituals sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone to anything since I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this at face value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour inquiry using hypnosis. We found the programming present.

In addition to that we found that every therapy session was debriefed and in fact they had told her to get sick and not come to the appointment with me. Another one had been told that I was Cult and that if she came I would know that she'd been told not to come and I would punish her. If anything meaningful comes out in a patient who's being monitored like that -- from what I've learned thus far, they're tortured with electric shocks -- my belief is if they're in that situation you can't do meaningful therapy other than being supportive and caring and letting them know you care a lot and you'll be there to support them. But I wouldn't try to work with any kind of deep material or deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing but get them tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe, secure inpatient unit for an extended period of time to do some of the work required.

I have a feeling that when you make inquiries you're going to find that probably greater than fifty percent of these patients, if they're bloodline, meaning mother or dad or both involved, will be monitored on some ongoing basis. [Pause]

Now when you come below the alters, you then have Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta, so and so forth, the Greek-letter programming and they will then have backup programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the backups. There may be one code that combines all the backups into one and then an erasure code for them, simply one code that erases all the backups. So I will get the code for, let's say, Omega and for all the Omega backups at the same time. After I've asked "What will happen if I give this," I will give the code and then I will say, "What are you experiencing?" They often describe computer whirring, things erasing, explosions inside, all sorts of interesting things.

I've had some therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had never said anything about robots she said something about robots vaporizing." I remember one therapist who'd been with me in several hypnosis workshops and consulted with me about a crisis MPD situation. I told her to inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta. She did. She got back to me saying, "Yeah, I got an indication it's there. What is it?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you. Go back and inquire about some of this." We set an appointment for a week or so hence. She got back with me and said, "I asked what Theta was and she said, 'psychic killers.' I asked her what Delta was and she said 'killers.'" Okay. So I told her about some of this stuff for a two-hour consult. She called back and she said, "This seemed too fantastic. I heard this and I thought, 'Has Cory been working too hard?'" she said, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but she said, "I held you in high professional regard, but this just sounded so off in the twilight zone that I really thought, 'Is he having a nervous breakdown or something?'" She said, "But I respected you enough to ask about this." She said, "I asked another MPD patient and she didn't have any of this."

So in this patient she started describing things and how she worked, for example, with an erasure and she was describing things like robots vaporizing and kinds of things. She said, "I hadn't told her about any of these things." Well, here's the problem. There are different layers and I think some of them are designed to keep us going in circles forever. They figured we probably, in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters which they purposefully created.

The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide the mind. It's part of what the Intelligence Community wanted to look at. If you're going to get an assassin, you're going to get somebody to go do something, you divide the mind. It fascinates me about cases like the assassination of Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on examining Sirhan Sirhan found that he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert Kennedy, but under hypnosis could remember it. But despite suggestions he would be able to consciously remember, could not remember a thing after was out of hypnosis. I'd love to examine Sirhan Sirhan.

It appears that below this we've got some other layers. One is called "Green Programming" it appears. Isn't it interesting that the doctor's name is Dr. Green? One of the questions in a way that does not contaminate is after I've identified some of this stuff is there and they've given me a few right answers about what some of it is, "If there were a doctor associated with this programming and his name were a color, you know, like Dr. Chartreuse or something, if his name were a color, what color would the color be?" Now once in a while I've had some other colors mentioned in about three or four patients that I felt were trying to dissimulate in some way and I don't really believe had this. In one case I got another color and I found out later it was a doctor whose name was a color who was being trained by Dr. Green almost thirty years ago and he supervised part of the programming of this woman under this doctor.

I remember one woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would speak up with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on to some other material. About two minutes later she said, "Green. Do you mean Dr. Green?" We found this all over. There appears to be some Green Programming below that and I suspect that you get down to fewer and more central programs the deeper you go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-Green and the Green Tree. Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this. If you're going to work with this you need to pick up a couple of books on the Cabala. One is by a man named Dion Fortune called "Qabala" with a "q," Dion Fortune. Another is by Ann Williams-Heller and it's called "The Kabbalah." I knew nothing about the Cabala. It was interesting. A patient had sat in my waiting area, got there considerably early and drew a detailed multicolored Cabalistic Tree over two years ago. It took me two months to figure out what it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else who said, "You know? That looks an awful lot like the Cabala Tree" and that rang a bell with some esoteric in an old book and I dug it out. That was the background of Dr. Green.

Now the interesting thing about the Green Tree is his original name was Greenbaum. What does "greenbaum" mean in German? Green Tree, Ultra-Tree and the Green Tree. I've also had patients who didn't appear to know that his original name was Greenbaum, volunteered that there were parts inside named Mr. Greenbaum. Now let me give you some information about parts inside that may be helpful to you if you're going to inquire about these things, because my experience is one part will give you some information and either run dry or get defensive or scared and stop, and so you punt and you make an end run and you come around the other direction, you find another part.

I'll tell you several parts to ask for and ask if there's a part by this name. And, by the way, when I'm screening patients and fiddling around with this, I throw in a bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is there a part inside by this name and by that name" as a check on whether or not it appears genuine. For example. "In addition to the core," I ask, "is there a part inside named Wisdom?" Wisdom is a part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom, I've often found, will be helpful and give you a lot of information. "Is there a part inside named Diana?" I mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is there a part inside named Zelda?" I've never encountered one yet! Just to see what kind of answers we get.

I try to do this carefully. Diana is a part that, in the Cabalistic system, is associated with a part called the Foundation. You will be fascinated to know that. Remember the Process Church? Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, was killed by the Manson Family who were associated with the Process Church? A lot of prominent people in Hollywood were associated and then they went underground, the books say, in about seventy-eight and vanished? Well, they're alive and well in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the Utah Department of Public Safety documenting that they moved to southern Utah, north of Monument Valley, bought a movie ranch in the desert, renovated it, expanded it, built a bunch of buildings there, carefully monitored so that very few people go out of there and no one can get in and changed their name.

A key word in their name is "Foundation." The Foundation. There are some other words. The Foundation is part of the Tree. So you can ask, "Is there something inside known as The Foundation?" I might ask other things to throw people off. "Is there something known as the Sub-Basement?" Well, maybe they'll conceive of something. Or "Is there something known as the Walls?" There are a variety of questions you can come up with, to sort of screen some things. I've also found that there will often be a part called "Black Master," a part called "Master Programmer," and that there will be computer operators inside.

How many of you have come into computer things in patients? There will typically be computer operators: Computer Operator Black, Computer Operator Green, Computer Operator Purple. Sometimes they'll have numbers instead, sometimes they'll be called Systems Information Directors. You can find out the head one of those. There'll be a source of some information for you. I will ask inside, "Is there a part inside named Dr. Green?" You'll find that there are, if they have this kind of programming, in my experience. Usually with a little work and reframing, you can turn them and help them to realize that they were really a child-part who's playing a role and they had no choice then, but they do now. You know, they played their role very, very well, but they don't have to continue to play it with you because they're safe here and in fact, "If the Cult simply found out that you talked to me, that they you had shared information with me, you tell me what would they do to you?" Emphasize that the only way out is through me and that they need to cooperate and share information and help me and that I'll help them.

So all these parts can give you various information. Now they have tried to protect this very carefully. Let me give you an example with Ultra-Green. I discovered this -- by the way I used to think this programming was only in bloodline people. I've discovered it in non-bloodline people, but it's a bit different. They don't want it to be just the same. I don't think you'll find deep things like Ultra-Green and probably not even Green Programming with non-bloodline people. But let me tell you something that I discovered first in a non-bloodline and then in a bloodline.

We were going along and a patient was close to getting well, approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she suddenly started hallucinating and her fingers were becoming hammers and other things like that. So I used an affect-bridge and we went back and we found that what happened was that they gave suggestions, that if she ever got well to a certain point she would go crazy. The way they did this was they strapped her down and they gave her LSD when she was eight years old. When she began hallucinating they inquired about the nature of the hallucinations so they could utilize them in good Ericsonian fashion and build on them and then combine the drug-effect with powerful suggestions. "If you ever get to this point you will go crazy. If you ever get fully integrated and get well you will go crazy like this and will be locked up in an institution for the rest of your life. They gave those suggestions vigorously and repetitively.

Finally they introduced other suggestions that, "Rather than have this happen, it would be easier to just kill yourself." In a bloodline patient then, as I began inquiring about deep material, the patient started to experience similar symptoms. We went back and we found the identical things were done to her.

This was called the "Green Bomb." B-O-M-B. Lots of interesting internal consistencies like that play on words with Dr. Greenbaum, his original name. Now in this case it was done to her at age nine for the first time and then only hers was different. Hers was a suggestion for amnesia. "If you ever remember anything about Ultra-Green and the Green Tree you will go crazy. You will become a vegetable and be locked up forever." Then finally the suggestions added, "And it'll be easier to just kill yourself than have that happen to you, if you ever remember it." At age twelve then, three years later, they used what sounds like an Amytol interview to try to breach the amnesia and find out if they could. They couldn't. So then they strapped her down again, took and gave her something to kind of paralyze her body, gave her LSD, an even bigger dose and reinforced all the suggestions. Did a similar thing at the age of sixteen.

So these are some of the kind of booby traps you run into. There are a number of cases where they combined powerful drug effects like this with suggestions to keep us from discovering some of this deeper level stuff. What's the bottom? Your guess is as good as mine but I can tell you that I've had a lot of therapists who were stymied with these cases who were going nowhere. In fact someone here that I told some basic information about this to in Ohio a couple of months ago said it opened all sorts of things up in a patient who'd been going nowhere.

That's an often common thing. I think that we can move down to deeper levels and if we deal with some of the deeper level stuff it may destroy all the stuff above it. But we don't even know that yet. In some of the patients I'm working with we have pretty much dealt with a lot of the top-level stuff.

I'll tell you how we've done some of that. We'll take and erase one system like Omega. Then we will have a huge abreaction of all the memories and feelings in a fractionated abreaction associated with those parts. I typically find I'll say to them, "Now that we've done this are there any other memories and feelings that any parts that were Omega still have?" The answer's usually "No."

At that point I will say, "I usually find at this point in time the majority, if not all, of those parts that used to be Omega no longer feel a desire or need to be different, realizing that you split off originally by them and want to go home to Mary and become one with her again." I use the concept often now -- which came from a patient -- of going home and becoming one with her. "Going back from whence you came" is another phrase I'll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts inside who do not feel comfortable with that or have reservations or concerns about that?" If there are we talk to them. We deal with them. A few may not integrate. My experience is most of the time they'll integrate and we may integrate twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD.

I think it is vitally important to abreact the feelings before you go on. Also for many patients it hasn't seemed to matter the order we go in but I've found a couple where it has. If it doesn't seem to matter I'll typically go Omega, then Delta because they have more violence potential, then Gamma to get rid of the self-deception stuff. What I will do before I just assume anything and do that, is once we've done Omega and showed them that success can occur and something can happen and they feel relief after, I will say to them, "I want to ask the core -- through the fingers -- is there a specific order in which programs must be erased?" You know maybe it doesn't matter but most of the time I found "No." There are cases where we found "Yes."

I recommend doing one or two or three of those because they'll produce relief and and a sense of optimism in the patient. But then I would recommend starting to probe for the deeper level things and getting their input and recommendations about the order in which we go.

soulja 26-07-2008 04:46 PM

and the following interview



Q: What has been the typical age and typical gender of this type of person?

Dr.H: I know of this being found in men and women. Most of the patients I know with MPD ritual abuse that are being treated are women, however. I know of some men being treated where we've found this. A while back I was talking to a small group of therapists somewhere. I told them about some of this. In the middle of talking about some of this all the color drained out of one social worker's face and she obviously had a reaction and I asked her about and she said, "I'm working with a five-year-old boy," and she said, "Just in the last few weeks he was saying something about a Dr. Green." I went on a little further and I mentioned some of these things and she just shook her head again. I said, "What's going on?" She said, "He's been spontaneously telling me about robots and about Omega." I think you will find variations of this and that they've changed it, probably every few years and maybe somewhat regionally to throw us off in various ways but that certain basics and fundamentals will probably be there. I have seen this in people up into their forties including people whose parents were very, very high in the CIA, other sorts of things like that. I've had some that were originally part of the Monarch Project which is the name of the government Intelligence project.

Question in the back?

Q: I'm still not grasping how one starts, how you find out how to erase. How do you get that information?

Dr.H: I would say, "I want the core, if necessary, using the telepathic communication ability you have to read minds," because they believe in that kind of stuff, "so I'll use it..." I was trained in Ericsonian stuff, "...to obtain for me the erasure code of all Omega programs. When you've done so, I want the yes-finger to float up." Then I ask them to tell it to me. "Are there backups for Omega programs?" "Yes." "Okay? How many backups are there?" "Six," they say, let's say. It's different numbers. "Is there an erasure code for all the backup programs?" "No." "Is there an erasure code that combines all the backups into one?" "Yes." "Obtain that code for me and when you've go it give me the yes-signal again." It can move almost that fast in some cases where there's not massive resistance.


Q: Yes, can you tell me what you know about the risks to the therapist? [Laughter]

Dr.H: You would have to ask.

Q: Yeah, I'd like to know that. What kind of data do you have given that you've had contact with large numbers of people. Not just threats but also any injury, any family problems that have arisen. That's one question. A second one is are you aware of anybody that you've treated -- or others -- with this level of dissociation and trauma that have recovered? Integrated? Whole and happy?

Dr.H: Okay, I have one non-bloodline multiple, complex multiple who had this kind of programming where they have a lot of access to the patient as neighbors and where the doctor, by the way, you'll find physicians heavily involved. They've encouraged their own to go to medical school, to prescribe drugs to take care of their own, to get access to medical technology and be above suspicion. There have been a couple, in fact, in Utah who've been nailed now. We now in Utah have two full time ritual-abuse investigators with statewide jurisdiction under the Attorney General's Office to do nothing but investigate this. [Applause] Okay? In a poll done in the State of Utah in January by the major newspaper and television station, they found that ninety percent of Utahans believe that ritual abuse is genuine and real. Not all of them believe it's a frequent occurrence but some of that was imparted from two years of work by the Governor Commission on Ritual Abuse, interviewing, talking, meeting people, gathering data. Now when people say, by the way, "There's no evidence. They've never found a body," that's baloney. They found a body in Idaho of a child. They've had a case last summer that was convicted on first-degree murder charges, two people that the summer before that were arrested where the teenaged girl's finger and head were in the refrigerator and they were convicted of first-degree murder in Detroit. There have been cases and bodies. Back to risk. I know of no therapist who's been harmed. But patients inform us that there will come a future time where we could be at risk of being assassinated by patients who've been programmed to kill at a certain time anyone that they've told and any member of their own family who's not active. If that would come about is speculative. Who knows for sure? Maybe, but I don't think it's entirely without risk.

A question in the back?

Q: It seems to me that there seems to be some similarity between these kinds of programming and those people who claim that they've been abducted by spaceships and have had themselves physically probed and reprogrammed and all of that sort of thing. Since Cape Canaveral is across the Florida peninsula from me and I don't think that they've reported any spaceships lately, I was just wondering is there any sort of relationship between this and that?

Dr.H: I'll share my speculation, that comes from others really. I've not dealt with any of those people. However, I know a therapist that I know and trust and respect who I've informed about all this a couple of years ago and has found it in a lot of patients and so on, who is firmly of the belief that those people are in fact ritual-abuse victims who have been programmed with that sort of thing to destroy all their credibility. If somebody's coming in and reporting abduction by a flying sauce who's going to believe them on anything else in the future? Also as a kind of thing that can be pointed to and said, "This is as ridiculous as that." All I know is that I recently had a consult, a telephone consult, with a therapist where I had been instructing her about some of this kind of stuff. When we were consulting at one point in the fifth or sixth interview she said, "By the way, do you know anything about this topic?" I said, "Well, not really" and shared with her what I shared with you. I said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that she'd been seeing for a couple of months, I said, "I would ask inside for the core to take control of finger-signals and inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta." She proceeded to do all that, got back to me a week later and said, "Boy, were you on target. There is a part inside named Dr. Green. There's this kind of programming."


Q: What's the difference between this kind of program and cult-type abuse and Satanic abuse in the kind of cults with the candles and the...

Dr.H: This type of programming will be done in the cults with the candles and all the rest. My impression is this is simply done in people where they have great access to them or they're bloodline and their parents are in it and they can be raised in it from an early age. If they are bloodline they are the chosen generation. If not, they're expendable and they are expected to die and not get well. There will be booby traps in your way if they aren't non-bloodline people that when they get well they will kill themselves. I'll tell you just a little about that. My belief is that some people that have ritual abuse and don't have this have been ritually abused but they may be may be part of a non-mainstream group. The Satanism comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this. People say, "What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the purpose of it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, ten of thousands of mental robots who will do prostitution, do child pornography, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling, do snuff films, all sorts of very lucrative things and do their bidding and eventually the megalomaniacs at the top believe they'll create a Satanic Order that will rule the world.

One last question. Then I'll give you couple of details and we need to shift gears.

Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point at a high level of the U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I know we're short of time, but could you just say a few words about the documentation that may exist for that suggestion?

Dr.H: There isn't great documentation of it. It comes from victims who are imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have described the same scenario and how many people that we have worked with who have had relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in the Military, including very high-ups in the Military.

I can tell you that a friend and colleague of mine who has probably the equivalent of half the table space on that far side of the room filled with boxes with declassified documents from mind-control research done in the past which has been able to be declassified over a considerable -- couple of decades -- period and has read more government documents about mind control than anyone else, has a brief that has literally been sent in the past week and a half asking for all information to be declassified about the Monarch Project for us to try to find out more.

Now let me just mention something about some of the stuff that my experience is in several patients now that you may run into late in the process. I know I'm throwing a lot at you in a hurry. Some of it is completely foreign and some of you may think, "Gosh, could any of this be true?" Just, you know, ask. Find out in your patients and you may be lucky and there isn't any of this. Somewhere at a deep level you may run into some things like this. Let me describe to you, if I can find my pen, the system in one patient. One patient I had treated for quite a while, a non-bloodline person. We had done what appeared to be successful work and reached final integration. She came back to me early last year and said she was symptomatic with some things. I started inquiring. I found a part there we'd integrated. The part basically said, "There was other stuff that I couldn't tell you about and you integrated me and so I had to split off." I had done some inquiring about things like Alpha, Beta as a routine part of it and found they were there and I said to this part, "Why didn't you tell me about this stuff?" She said, "Well, we gave you some hints but they went right over your head." Says, "I'm sorry, but we know that you didn't know enough to help us but now we know you can." So the stuff started coming out. It was interesting. She described the overall system -- if I can remember it now -- as being like this.

The circle represented harm to the body, a system of alters whose primary purpose was to hurt her including symptoms like Munchhausen's, self-mutilation, other kinds of things. Each of the triangles represented still another different system. She said, "With the exception of me," this one part, "you dealt with the whole circle with the work that we did before but you didn't touch the rest of the stuff." Okay. In the middle of all this was still another system consisting of the Cabalistic Tree, which some of you are aware, looks approximately like this with lines in between and so on and so forth. There's a rough approximation. That represented another system. Then once we got past that she implied that this entire thing was somehow encompassed by, what do you call it, an hourglass. I kept thinking we were at final integration then I'd find some other parts. This person had an eagle-eye husband that was watching for certain things that we found to be reliable indicators. So often I would get evidence of dissociation within a few days. It would suddenly be picked up.

You know, what we found was I continued to find evidence of dissociation and I'd find parts. Finally this part, as I got angry with him and said, "Why when I give these ideomotor inquiries am I getting lied to?" This part said, "Because you don't understand. You're going to get us all killed." We started talking and then she basically said, "It's been programmed so that if you succeed and think you've succeeded, you will fail. They build it in as a way to laugh at you, that if you ever get us integrated, we will die.

" Here's what she said, this part said, "I'm one of twelve disciples," and I've seen this in others, twelve disciples within this hourglass each of whom had to memorize a disciple-lesson which were basic Satanic kind of premises, philosophies of life like "be good to those who hurt you, hate those who are nice to you," on and on and on. There may be two or three sentences like that associated with each that they had to memorize them. They said, "We are like grains of sand falling and when the last grain of sand falls, there's Death." I said, "Is Death a part?" "Yes. When the last grain of sand falls the Sleeping Giant awakens." The Sleeping Giant was Death, who was then to kill them on Day-One or Day-Six after awakening unless certain things were followed and we did some of those. Well we also found Death had a sister as a backup, used with mirrors to create the sister part. We had to get past and deal with that too. Death had certain things that they said had to be done to integrate. I started to say, "Oh, come on, they lied to you before." She said, "Wait a minute. This what they said you'd say. They said that no doctor would ever believe that they had to go these extremes to get us well and that's part of the reason they'd fail." I said, "Well, tell me, tell me again." She said, "I have to be dressed all in red. I have to have Demerol onboard, have taken Demerol. A code has to be given and it has to be in a room that's totally dark. It has to happen on Day-One or Day-Six after this part's been awakened." I said what I'd have to lose?

I had a psychiatrist give her a little Demerol. We used the code. My office didn't have any windows anyway. It was pretty easy. Oh, and there had to be four, I think, candles lit. Well, fine. So we did it and everything went well. Maybe it would have gone well if we hadn't done it, but I decided not to take the chance and to trust the patient maybe.

Well, so we go on and then we find another part. There's Death And Destruction, another backup also with a sister that we had to get through. In fact, I think there were two backups there. Interestingly, the very last part was an extremely nice part, made especially that way so that they wouldn't want to lose them because they would be so adorable and so loving and so sweet that they wouldn't want to maybe get rid of them. Then we found that she continued to have these feelings with this last part left now of darkness and blackness inside.

What did we find? A curtain. She said, "They assumed that if you ever got to this point, you would," and along the way, by the way, we had encountered this stuff about the LSD stuff, the Green Bomb programming. The message was that she said, "There is a curtain behind which are the remaining feelings and memories, but it can't be opened from the middle. It's like a stage curtain. It has to opened this way," that it can't be opened. They assumed that you would try to deal with all the feelings. That can't be opened until you've dealt with that last part and they've integrated. So far it looks like we've got integration that's holding. So I found Death And Destruction and the Hourglass in non-bloodline. "The Tree and the Hourglass," this patient informed me, "were made of sand because we were meant to die. We're expendable. We're the unchosen generation." I've heard variously that it's crystals or blood that fills the Hourglass in bloodline people.

By the way, you can do real simple things like turn the Hourglass on its side so nothing can fall out, so time stands still to be able to do certain kinds of work. Spread the grains of sand on the seashore so that they can't be numbered and the time will not be counted. Got that idea from a ritual-abuse victim who had seen some of this kind of programming done that another therapist was seeing. So those would be just a few other hints about things that may be helpful or meaningful. We're talking about very intensive things and at deep levels to to me this give us two things.

One thing it gives to me is hope because it gets to material and it makes progress like nothing else we've ever seen with these people who have it. The second thing it does for me is it demoralizes me, too, because although three years ago I had a pretty good idea about the extent and breadth of what they'd one to these victims, I had no real appreciation for the depth and breadth and intensity of what they'd done.

I want to come back to the other question over here now. The other question is how many of them can get well? We don't know. In most things in the mental health profession we accept two-thirds of the patients are going to improve, maybe seventy percent. There's very little we can get everybody well. I think one of the sad things we have to face is that many of these patients will probably never be well. My personal belief is that if they are being messed with their only hope of getting well is if they can somehow get out of contact. Now I know patients who've gone to other states and simply had deep-level alters pick up the phone and call and said, "This is our new address and phone number" so that they could be picked up locally. I mean in an inpatient unit for an extended period of time. If they are in a Cult from their area and they are still being monitored and messed with, my own personal opinion is we can't get them well and can't offer more than humanitarian caring and supportiveness.

Lots of therapists do not like to hear that. That's my opinion. I believe that if somehow they're lucky enough to be wealthy enough to have protection, to have somehow gotten away in some way and we can work with them without being messed with, that they have a chance to reach some semblance of normality and livability with enough intensive work. My own personal belief is I don't think anybody with this kind of programming is well in this country yet. There are some who are well along the way. I've got a couple who are well along in their work and have done a tremendous amount, but they're clearly not well yet.

Q: Could you speculate on the relationship between this stuff and the fantasy games that have been proliferating, Dungeons and Dragons and that sort of thing?

Dr.H: Well, there are a lot of things out there to cue people. You want to see a great movie, interesting movie, to cue people? Go see "Trancers II." You can rent it in your video shop. Came out last fall. One night in sheer desperation for something at the video store, you know? Nine o'clock on Friday night. Everything's gone. I rented a couple of movies and one of them is that. Fascinating. They're talking about Green World Order. Yes, "Trancers II." And who is the production company? Full Moon Productions. I couldn't see much cuing in "Trancers I," but who's the production company in "Trancers I"? Alter Productions. There are lots of things around that are cuing. There's an interesting person in the late sixties who talked about the Illuminati. Have any of you ever heard of the Illuminati with regard to the Cult? Had a patient bring that up to me just about exactly two years ago. We've now had other stuff come out from other patients. Appears to be the name of the international world leadership. There appear to be Illuminatic Counsels in several parts of the world and one internationally. The name of the international leadership of the Cult supposedly. Is this true? well, I don't know. It's interesting we're getting some people who are trying to work without cuing who are saying some very similar things. There was an old guy in Hollywood in the late sixties who talked about the infiltration of Hollywood by the Illuminati. Certainly what some patients have said is all of this spook stuff, horror stuff, possession and everything else that's been popularized in the last twenty years in Hollywood is in order to soften up the public so that when a Satanic world order takes over, everyone will have been desensitized to so many of these things, plus to continually cue lots of people out there. is that true? Well, I can't definitely tell you that it is. What I can say is I now believe that ritual-abuse programming is widespread, is systematic, is very organized from highly esoteric information which is published nowhere, has not been on any book or talk show, that we have found all around this country and at least one foreign country.

Let's take a couple of quick questions and we need to get on to other material. Yes?

Q: Do you have any techniques for decreasing your level of uncertainty that a patient is or is not being still tampered with, "messed with," as you said?

Dr.H: Just that I would ask several of the parts I've inquired about, Core, Diana, Wisdom, Master Programmer, several parts inside I would ask about these sorts of things and I will keep asking it. As you do additional work and get a bit further, I would ask again to find out. In the back?

Q: I wonder if you've heard or you know of the Martin Luther Bloodline?

Dr.H: The what?

Q: Martin Luther Bloodline?

Dr.H: I know nothing about Martin Luther Bloodline. I'll give you one other quick tip. Ask him about an identification code. There's an identification code that people have. It will involve their birth date. It may involve places where they were programmed and it will usually involve a number in there that will be their birth order, like zero-two if they were second-born. It will usually involve a number that represents the number of generations in the Cult, if they are bloodlines. I've seen up to twelve now, twelve generations.

Q: I have seen a lot of the things you've been describing today in several patients. I wanted to ask you a question about the Seven Systems. You mentioned something about systems here. Are there Seven Systems?

Dr.H: There has been that described in some patients, yes, the Seven Systems.

Q: Could you say what that is or a little diagram?

Dr.H: I don't think we know enough to know what it is, honestly. I think it may have to do with Seven Cabalistic Trees.

Q: Have you ever had any evidence where any of these people have been tagged and there have been anything of their body-parts that might be related to this, private parts in particular?

Dr.H: Well, there are certainly people that have had tattoos, that have had a variety of other kinds of things, some of which have been, you know, documented in cases, but I mean to say, well, maybe they did that to themselves or had it done consciously to really prove something, not that occurs to right off the bat.

Let me just take this one last question back and we need to go on to other material because we're never going to get through it all. I'll just ask you to hold your question.

Q: It's not a question but I wanted to say for myself, personally, and perhaps for others here as well, I wanted to thank you very sincerely for taking this time to come forward. [Applause]

Dr.H: Well, [Applause]

Q: Does anyone want to join us for a standing ovation for this material? It's wonderful. [Sustained applause]

Dr.H: A dear friend who's one of the top people in the field, who I know has had death threats, but I know struggled for professional credibility in believing in MPD and was harshly criticized for even believing in that ten and fifteen years ago, and struggled to a point of professional credibility. I think in his heart of hearts he knows it's true, but he will say things like, "I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow it was an international conspiracy and I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow that it is an urban myth and rumor." He tries to stay right on the fence and the reason is because it's controversial, because there is a campaign underway saying these all false memories induced by, along with incest and everything else, by "Oprah" and by books like "The Courage to Heal" and by naive therapists using hypnosis. It's controversial. My personal opinion has come to be if they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. There's going to be an awful lot of information that's been put away that'll go to investigative reporters and multiple investigative agencies, if it happens, and an awful lot of people like you , I hope, that if I ever have an accident will be pushing for a very large-scale investigation. I think we have to stand up as some kind of moral conscience at some point and I tried to wait until we had gotten enough verification from independent places to have some real confidence that this was widespread.

I know we've gone like a house afire to try to pack as much as I could in for you. I hope it's given you some things to think about and some new ideas and I appreciate being with you.

soulja 26-07-2008 04:49 PM

great post cheeb, also note how they only show us one eye of De Niro on the Taxi driver Cover.

hunkahunka 26-07-2008 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by brown velvet (Post 434767)

massive destruction as consequences of dream / sleep / rest
too many snakes.... medusa like imagery. violence, a dead child? Again. :confused: some kind of cat-o-nine-tails, looks like small (baby?) skulls too me, but I could just be needing glasses ;)
weather / explosions, knock on effects of fire / destruction (domino?)
genetics / breeding. Replaying of time backwards. trees.

apart from that, nothing much :D

what did you see?


I saw that maybe Cheeb is onto something, with the 'mushroom trip'
nuclear bomb reference to MK trauma programming. There is nuclear
bomb footage throughout the Nirvana France Farmer video.
Maybe they used the threat of nuclear war as a trauma trigger in projects
like Frances Farmer and Anna Nicole Smith? Its just such a coincidence
that Cheeb mentioned it so recently in association with another mk project
and I see it here now. There are also mushroom clouds on the Tommy Pinball machine.
I also saw a lot of scenes referring to trauma of sleeping women, sleep walking, hanging,
monsters etc.

brown velvet 26-07-2008 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by hunkahunka (Post 434803)
I saw that maybe Cheeb is onto something, with the 'mushroom trip'
nuclear bomb reference to MK trauma programming. There is nuclear
bomb footage throughout the Nirvana France Farmer video.
Maybe they used the threat of nuclear war as a trauma trigger in projects
like Frances Farmer and Anna Nicole Smith? Its just such a coincidence
that Cheeb mentioned it so recently in association with another mk project
and I see it here now. There are also mushroom clouds on the Tommy Pinball machine.
I also saw a lot of scenes referring to trauma of sleeping women, sleep walking, hanging, monsters etc.

hi :)

ok, *thinks* the diff here is, that you are far more aware of the 'bigger triggers' (general population targets) than I am, as in, world influence as opposed to indivdual trauma meanings to those who are MC survivors. All the references to weather / storm / violence / nuclear are also used to 're-build' Internal landscapes / minds eye cinema 'views'


brown velvet 26-07-2008 06:06 PM

Curious/Do you Dare/Are You?



soulja 26-07-2008 06:26 PM

boy on the left makes the sign of silence (no talk trigger)


Still mourning the death of her mother a few years back, ALICE McKINLEY finds her life seriously disrupted when her father BEN buys a store and moves her and her older brother LESTER to a new town. In the painful throes of adolescence, Alice has a rough time adjusting to her new school, especially after she gets the stern MRS. PLOTKIN as her core teacher. Feeling shy and isolated, Alice frequently escapes into a vivid fantasy life that occasionally gets her into hot water. But with a little unexpected help from Mrs. Plotkin, Alice learns not to judge by appearances or jump to conclusions. More importantly, she confronts her father over his inability to accept their loss and move on into the future…
her surname is a code for bloodline Mc - Kin - Ley

lizzy 26-07-2008 07:20 PM

Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this.......

Originally Posted by soulja (Post 434785)
and the following interview

They brought them to the United States. Along with them was a young boy, a teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult because at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier.

I suspect it may have formed some bond between them. But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They brought him with them. They started doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence in military hospitals in the United States. The people that came, the Nazi doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name, Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and continued this work that appears to be at the center of Cult Programming today. His name is known to patients throughout the country...

'Holywood' is controlled by satanists.........who have manipulated for thousands for years.....the UN is satantic, with the chip, psychic driving is possible too. Sorry i cannot refer to detail, it is just too upsetting.

lizzy 26-07-2008 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by soulja (Post 434846)
boy on the left makes the sign of silence (no talk trigger)

her surname is a code for bloodline Mc - Kin - Ley

and from the synopsis the plot stinks.......don't deal with reality , go off into make believe, this is usual at 5,6,7 but not as a teenager.......

....and Dad, screw the greiving process , bury it and find another NOW.

emerald 26-07-2008 10:49 PM

Haim Blames Addiction On Abuse

Eighties child star Corey Haim has blamed his addiction to alcohol on being sexually abused as a child.

Haim and Corey Feldman both admitted they had been molested by different men when they were just 14 on a recent episode of their U.S. reality TV show Two Coreys.

And Haim - who claims he has been sober for 10 months - says the abuse led him to a battle with alcohol and has accused Feldman of failing to support him.

He says, "(Feldman) said to me, 'I'll always have your back.' But he knew there was a rape issue going on with me for about two years, and what did he do about it? Nothing."

But Feldman says Haim is playing the "blame game" and refuses to speak to him until he sobers up.

He tells People.com, "As a friend and somebody that cares deeply about the guy, I'm not going to watch him destroy himself.

"I think that he needs to demonise somebody. As a 14-year-old, how could I be responsible for actions that happened between him and another person?"

mrguitarbear 26-07-2008 11:02 PM

Britney Spears went to a hair salon called ' Esthers ' ( owned by Esther Tognozzi ) on 16th February 2007 and shaved off her own hair with an electric shaver.

' Esther ' is of course Madonna's Kabbala name.

Its my belief that Britney was making a direct statement to Madonna , saying that she didn't belong to her anymore.

Britney also has had the Kabbala tattoo she had done in 2004 removed from the nape of her neck.

Britney Shaves her Head

cheeb 26-07-2008 11:26 PM

Jodie Foster...
Taxi Driver

One Eye And Ruby Slippered Lolita,Fragmented Image..

I Knew That Jody Foster Had A Connection,
With M.K. Victim Hinkley,
Travis Bickle/Arthur Bremner
Is A Very Interesting Connection....

Travis Bickle, Shaved Head, MK Assassin...!!!!

I Found This On You Tube....

It Might Seem A Bit OTT,
But I Have Been Present At The Filming Of A Movie,
That Took Over 8 Hours,
The Scene Was In The Film For About 5 Seconds
Hollywood Pay Very Close Attention To Detail....

Notice The Twin Towers And The Red Hat,
Reminiscent Of Don't Look Now...,
Or The Red Figure In The Otherwise Black And White Schindlers List..

The reference to “The Catcher in the Rye” was taken from real life, for Mark David Chapman, the assassin of ex-Beatle John Lennon, had a paperback edition of the book in his possession when the police arrived and found him standing "very calmly"– as if he too was a mind-controlled assassin, having completed his task, and now aimlessly standing about, waiting to be arrested as the “lone gunman”? But Chapman was not alone: John Hinckley was also reported to have been obsessed with the book and as both “lone gunmen” were considered by some to be coming of the MK-ULTRA robotic assassin production line, the book was soon interpreted as a “driver” in their mind control

As to Hinckley: he claimed that he had repeatedly watched the 1976 movie Taxi Driver, in which a disturbed man plots to assassinate a presidential candidate – a story in line with The Manchurian Candidate, which has similar themes of MK-ULTRA worked into it. The disturbed man in Taxi Driver was inspired by real-life would-be assassin Arthur Herman Bremer, who shot US Democratic presidential candidate George Wallace on May 15, 1972 in Laurel, Maryland, leaving him paralyzed for life – and in practice guaranteeing the re-election of Richard Nixon for his ill-fated second term..

Notice The Butterfly Motif,
On The Microphone
Hollywood Pay Very Close Attention To Detail...

That same obsession is found between Hinckley and Jodie Foster. When Foster entered Yale University, Hinckley moved to New Haven, Connecticut to be nearer to her, slipping poems and messages under her door and repeatedly contacting her by telephone. Failing to develop any meaningful contact with her, he developed such plots as hijacking an airplane and committing suicide in front of her in order to gain her attention. Eventually he settled on a scheme to win her over by assassinating the president, on the theory that by becoming a historical figure, he would be her equal. It sounds mad, but then we are assumed to believe he was mad, so… He trailed then-president Jimmy Carter from state to state, but was arrested in Nashville, Tennessee on a firearms charge. Penniless, he returned home and despite psychiatric treatment for depression, his mental health did not improve. In 1981, he began to target the new president, Ronald Reagan, and apparently began to collect information on Lee Harvey Oswald, whom he saw as a role model. Of course, that’s the official version and there are several conspiracy theories, one, as mentioned, asking whether Hinckley was a robotic assassin…

Arthur Bremner

The attempted assassin of Governor George Wallace of Alabama was described
in the media as a deranged loner, but he wasn't alone at all if you count
the involvement of the CIA and the Nixon/Watergate "plumbers" who figure
prominently in this case. (It has been suggested that George Wallace's
political campaign could potentially have taken too many votes away from
rival presidential candidate Richard Nixon if Wallace was allowed to stay in
the presidential race. He was conveniently eliminated by Arthur Bremer).

On Monday, May 15, 1972, Bremer attempted to assassinate George Wallace at a
campaign rally in Laurel, Maryland. According to researchers, within one
hour after the Wallace shooting, Nixon aide Charles Colson, having invented
a ruse to place blame for the shooting on radical extremists of the left
wing, ordered Watergate "plumber" E. Howard Hunt to break into Bremer's
apartment and plant Black Panther and Angela Davis literature there.
(Bremer, however, had political convictions leaning towards the extreme
right. None other than George Wallace himself stated that he wondered how
members of Nixon's staff had found Bremer's apartment so quickly after the

But this "loner" actually had quite a few friends. One of these friends,
Dennis Cassini, turned up mysteriously dead in the trunk of his own car
before he could be questioned. The FBI didn't even bother to investigate
his death. According to The Milwaukee Journal: "The former Wisconsin College
Republican State Chairman said (that) Donald Segretti, confessed political
spy and Republican saboteur in the 1972 presidential campaign, urged him to
recruit persons in Wisconsin to do dirty tricks to embarrass the Democrats."

Arthur Bremer was from Milwaukee. Records show that Bremer traveled
extensively while stalking Wallace on his campaign trail, staying in
expensive hotels, running up debts totaling $5,000 dollars, which he paid.
Quite unusual for a busboy whose total earnings were under $2,000 dollars
for the entire year. Bremer was also identified prior to the assassination
as the man seen accompanying Watergate-operative Anthony Ulasewicz in
Michigan. (The personality revealed by Bremer's diary was used as a source
for the character of Travis Bickle in the original screenplay of the movie
Taxi Driver, which would, curiously, later drive John Hinckley in his own
presidential assassination attempt).

Bremer was sentenced to 63 years in prison and has never given any
explanation as to why he shot Wallace.

Mark David Chapman

Yet another "lone nut" assassin who killed "leftist" John Lennon in New York
City on December 8, 1980.

Chapman had possible ties to the CIA as a former World Vision Employee.
(World Vision Missionaries is an "international evangelical order" that has
performed espionage work for CIA). Allegedly, while working for World
Vision, Chapman was trained in terrorist infested, war-torn Beruit as a
"security guard".

Less than four months before John Hinckley Jr. attempted to gun down Reagan,
Chapman shot and killed John Lennon in what may have been a practice run for
Hinckley's later assassination attempt on Reagan.

After shooting Lennon, Chapman sat down and calmly began reading from The
Catcher in the Rye, a novel by J.D. Salinger. (Interestingly, J.D. Salinger,
author of "Catcher" served in the Counter Intelligence Corps during WWII
with Henry Kissinger. Others have theorized that this book served as some
sort of post-hypnotic suggestion or program "trigger"). Chapman himself
claims that he killed Lennon to promote the reading of "Catcher in the Rye,"
yet according to those who knew him, Chapman never exhibited strong feeling
about the book until just prior to the shooting.

After shooting Lennon, Chapman sat down and calmly began reading from The
Catcher in the Rye, a novel by J.D. Salinger. (Interestingly, J.D. Salinger,
author of "Catcher" served in the Counter Intelligence Corps during WWII
with Henry Kissinger. Others have theorized that this book served as some
sort of post-hypnotic suggestion or program "trigger"). Chapman himself
claims that he killed Lennon to promote the reading of "Catcher in the Rye,"
yet according to those who knew him, Chapman never exhibited strong feeling
about the book until just prior to the shooting.

John Hinckley, Jr.

The attempted lone nut assassin of Ronald Reagan,

Stalker Of Jodie Foster...

One Eye,Sign Of Silence-No Talk Trigger,
And Butterfly...

Incidentally There Is Another Subliminal Here

Skull Orgy
Salvadore Dali-In Voluptate Mors

Like Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley, Jr. also had a copy of Catcher in
the Rye in his possession when apprehended. According to official reports,
Hinckley was also heavily "influenced" by the Travis Bickle character from
the Martin Scorcese film Taxi Driver. (In this film, Robert DeNiro plays an
obsessed gunman who plans to assassinate a presidential candidate, a
character that was inspired by Arthur Bremer's personal diary).

Like Arthur Bremer, Hinckley traveled extensively around the U.S., and prior
to his assassination attempt on Reagan, was arrested at the airport in
Nashville, Tennessee with three handguns. Curiously, Hinckley was not placed
under any surveillance after this incident. And in emulation of both Sirhan
Sirhan and Bremer, Hinckley also kept a dairy in which he detailed his plans
for shooting Reagan.

There are reports that a Hinckley "double" named "Richardson" traced
Hinckley's path from Colorado to Connecticut, all the while writing letters
to Jodie Foster, just as the real Hinckley did. This Richardson was arrested
with a weapon at New York's Port Authority bus terminal, claiming he was
going to kill Reagan. Richardson and also had links to World Vision
Ministry. No less a figure than conspiracy queen Mae Brussel allegedly
spotted an apparent Hinckley double prior to the assassination attempt and
reported this to the Secret Service. (The Hinckley double's true name is
Edward Richardson, a person who looked amazingly like Hinckley).

One has to ask the obvious: what are the odds that two "unstable" men could
be obsessed with the same actress from the same film at the same time, while
"behaving" under nearly exact circumstances? That both of these men were
intent on re-creating the Travis Bickle character's assassination scheme
from the movie "Taxi Driver"? What are the chances that two separate
"mentally unstable," lone individuals, with so many odd similarities, would
reach critical mass at the same time and in the same way?

It is known through court records that Hinckley underwent psychiatric
treatment just prior to his attempt on Reagan and that at the time of the
shooting, he was under the influence of psychiatric drugs.


The Joker

Although Foster's first acting appearance was at three years old, her first significant role came in 1976 as an underage prostitute in Taxi Driver,

Her father, an Air Force Lieutenant-Colonel

A Lot Of These Laurel Canyon Stars,
Had Fathers Connected To The Upper Eschelons Of The Air Force..

Jim Morrison,
The Lizard King Being One Of Them....

mrguitarbear 26-07-2008 11:29 PM

David Geffen
Born February 21st 1943 , Geffen is supporting Barak Obama and raised $1.3 million for his campaign in a celebrity fundraiser.

Geffen was rumoured to have married Keanu Reeves in the 1990s ( Link to ' My Own Private Idaho ' ).

David Geffen has a connection to Tom Cruise in that he produced ' Interview with the Vampire ' in 1994. The Geffen Company also produced ' Risky Business ' ( 1983 ) the film in which Cruise first appeared as a leading actor.

Sydney Pollack has a connection to Tom Cruise ( other than EWS ) in that he directed ' The Firm ' in 1993.

mrguitarbear 26-07-2008 11:56 PM

Batman Begins ( 2005 )
Featured Christian Bale as Batman.

The Leading Lady was of course...Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes ( Mrs Tom Cruise ). Cruise and Holmes got together 2 months before the film premiered and Cruise proposed marriage to Holmes two days after it premiered

Katie appeared in ' The Gift ' ( 2000 ) alongside Keanu Reeves as Jessica King ( = monarch sign ). Holmes bared her breasts in the film , killing the squeaky clean image she acquired playing Joey in ' Dawson's Creek '.

Holmes then starred in ' Pieces of April ' ( 2003 ) as April Burns , the title is suggestive of a ' multiple '.

Holmes and Cruise had a daughter in April 2006 ( supposedly exactly 1 year to the day that Holmes and Cruise met ) which they named Suri. According to Cruise , this name supposedly means ' Princess ' in Hebrew ( it doesn't ) and ' red rose ' in Persian ( = bloodline ). The baby was mysteriously not seen in public until September 2006. Cruise and Holmes married in Italy in November 2006 at a Scientology wedding.

cheeb 27-07-2008 12:09 AM

Old Mother Hubbard....

Originally Posted by mrguitarbear (Post 435228)
Featured Christian Bale as Batman.

The Leading Lady was of course...Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes ( Mrs Tom Cruise ). Cruise and Holmes got together 2 months before the film premiered and Cruise proposed marriage to Holmes two days after it premiered

Katie appeared in ' The Gift ' ( 2000 ) alongside Keanu Reeves as Jessica King ( = monarch sign ). Holmes bared her breasts in the film , killing the squeaky clean image she acquired playing Joey in ' Dawson's Creek '.

Holmes then starred in ' Pieces of April ' ( 2003 ) as April Burns , the title is suggestive of a ' multiple '.

Holmes and Cruise had a daughter in April 2006 ( supposedly exactly 1 year to the day that Holmes and Cruise met ) which they named Suri. According to Cruise , this name supposedly means ' Princess ' in Hebrew ( it doesn't ) and ' red rose ' in Persian ( = bloodline ). The baby was mysteriously not seen in public until September 2006. Cruise and Holmes married in Italy in November 2006 at a Scientology wedding.

You Might Want To Look Into L.Ron Hubbards Background,
And His Connections To Jack Parsons,The Rocket Scientist,
And Aleistair Crowley
See What You Can Dig Up,

Stranger In A Strange Land,
Charles Mansons,
Catcher In The Rye..
Is Interesting.!!!

Hubbard was clearly involved in the occult. In 1945, L. Ron Hubbard met Jack Parsons, who was a renowned scientist, protégé of occultist Aleister Crowley, and a member of the notorious Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.), an international organization founded by Crowley to practice sexual black magic.

Parsons had Hubbard move onto the property of Parsons' Pasadena, California, home. It was there that Hubbard began to practice the occult and sexual magic. Parsons' mistress, Sara Northrup, left him for Hubbard and later became Hubbard's second wife, even before Hubbard had divorced his first wife (The Los Angeles Times, June 24, 1990, p. A37).


mrguitarbear 27-07-2008 12:25 AM

Heath Ledger
First film role was in 1992 in ' Clowning Around ' ( as an orphan clown ).

Appeared as Casanova in 2003 , film set in Venice ( connection to carnival masks ).

' The Brothers Grimm ' ( 2005 ) features a magic mirror in a tower which Ledger , as Jacob Grimm , smashes. A fragment of the mirror holding the evil Queen's eye appears at the end of the film.

Appeared in ' I'm Not There ' ( 2007 ) , a film about Bob Dylan who is connected to David Geffen ( Geffen lured Dylan from Columbia Records in 1974 ). Tom Waits who was to appear alongside Ledger in ' The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus ' ( 2008 ) signed to Geffen's Asylum Records in 1972.

Appeared in ' Candy ' ( 2006 ) as heroin addicted poet Dan.

Was good friends with Joachim Phoenix , brother of River.

His favourite director was Stanley Kubrick and he was supposed to have based his portrayal of the Joker on Alex from ' A Clockwork Orange ' ( 1971 ).

cheeb 27-07-2008 01:08 AM


Originally Posted by mrguitarbear (Post 435252)
First film role was in 1992 in ' Clowning Around ' ( as an orphan clown ).

Appeared as Casanova in 2003 , film set in Venice ( connection to carnival masks ).

' The Brothers Grimm ' ( 2005 ) features a magic mirror in a tower which Ledger , as Jacob Grimm , smashes. A fragment of the mirror holding the evil Queen's eye appears at the end of the film.

Appeared in ' I'm Not There ' ( 2007 ) , a film about Bob Dylan who is connected to David Geffen ( Geffen lured Dylan from Columbia Records in 1974 ). Tom Waits who was to appear alongside Ledger in ' The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus ' ( 2008 ) signed to Geffen's Asylum Records in 1972.

Appeared in ' Candy ' ( 2006 ) as heroin addicted poet Dan.

Was good friends with Joachim Phoenix , brother of River.

His favourite director was Stanley Kubrick and he was supposed to have based his portrayal of the Joker on Alex from ' A Clockwork Orange ' ( 1971 ).

Ledger With Butterfly And Mask...

The Same As Eyes Wide Shut,
Kubricks Last Film...?????


And American Psycho...


Christian Bales Film....

cheeb 27-07-2008 02:14 AM

The Red Dress.....
Don't Look Now..:


Schindlers List...:


Bit Out Of Context I Know,

But Important I Reckon....


Little Red Riding Hood

And The Obvious Connotations.....

Puberty And Sexual Abuse....

mrguitarbear 27-07-2008 10:57 AM

Red Riding Hood
Yes , I think you are right - the red cloak or coat stands for the vagina/labia with the clittoral hood ; it is thus a symbol for female sexuality , and the sexuality of a young girl in relation to the fairytale.

The original story has a submeaning which is about the danger to young innocent girls from sexual predators ( represented in the story by a wolf ) ; the woodcutter ( a father figure ) has to come in and save Red Riding Hood by cutting off the wolf's head ( castration symbolism ).

Roma Ligocka , the actual little girl in the red coat , lived in the Krakow Ghetto rather than the Warsaw Ghetto and Spielberg did not know her story until after the film had been shot. Thus Spielberg's little girl is not based on any historical figure.

The death of the little girl and her coat juxtaposed against the white snow may symbolise the death of innocence , but also the loss of sexual innocence - the blood shed by the breaking of the hymen. There does seem to be some disturbing sexual imagery in this film , but of course most people will never notice it.

Spielberg links to Geffen in that they both set up Dreamworks together in 1994 with Jeffrey Katzenberg , interestingly each of the triumverate invested $33 million as their initial stake in the company.

soulja 27-07-2008 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by mrguitarbear (Post 435529)
Yes , I think you are right - the red cloak or coat stands for the vagina/labia with the clittoral hood ; it is thus a symbol for female sexuality , and the sexuality of a young girl in relation to the fairytale.

i agree with you on red being a symbol for blood and female sexuality but imo it's also a symbol for danger.


in MK it stands for powerfull/dangerous woman (alters) and one weapon of a strong woman is her sexuality.





who is the most powerfull figure in the last X-Men movie ?

she is
completely in red

soulja 27-07-2008 03:16 PM

interesting what you wrote about red riding hood, that reminds me at a movie i've seen just the other day.

of wich the first part is a play on Little Red Riding Hood


15 year girl runs away from home to live with her grandmother after mom is arrested for prostitution and step dad for molesting her. Along the way her car breaks down, and a respectable, decent looking guy picks her up. Turns out he's the freeway rapist the news keeps talking about and now he's set his eyes on her. However, she shoots him several times and flees. By some miracle, the freeway rapist survives, and the police charge the girl with attempted homicide. The papers have a field day, making her out to be a scumbag and the guy a victim turned hero. But it's not over yet..

the one i saw was the second part called

and is a play on Hansel and Gretel


Crystal "White Girl" Van Meter is sentenced to 25 years for her crimes. In a minimum security hospital, she teams up with Angela "Cyclona" Garcia and escapes. Cyclona is convinced her beloved Sister Gomez can help "White Girl" with her eating disorder and they head to Tijuana. On the way Cyclona murders a family and has sex with the dead bodies. "White Girl" is not happy that Cyclona has stopped taking her meds and insists she continue to take occasional doses should they continue together. They steal the family's car and make their way south. On the way, Cyclona reveals how Sister Gomez saved her from being molested by her father and possibly aliens. After drinking one to many beers and huffing some paint, they crash and fall down a hill laughing. They catch a ride on a freight train only to be assaulted by a crack addict. Cyclona kills him to protect White Girl, and the two make off with his bag of crack and guns. Venturing into the woods, they leave a trail of crack which is picked away by shady men with crow feathers on their hats. Lost and confused, they make it to the border only to have a stand-off with customs officials, both of whom Cyclona kills. "White Girl" violently pistol-whips Cyclona and after making her point, the two race to the suburbs of Tijuana.

In Tijuana, Crystal/White Girl makes money by luring men to dark alleys on the promise of a good time, and mugging them. Cyclona and White Girl also have a moment with beer, a shower, a vibrating bed, and some rampant lesbian sex. Finally they find a poster that shows Sister Gomez is in town. Sister Gomez appears to be a Catholic/spiritist healer; Cyclona is very keen that they visit her, for Sister Gomez has protected her from abuse in the past, and might be able to help them. They visit Sister Gomez at her gaudy mission house. The Sister makes an enormous roast feast for her "little movie star" (Cyclona) and the friend "with the hungry demon" (Crystal), referring to her bulimia. Cyclona then disappears as White Girl is forced to work for Sister Gomez in the same way as she has been doing, in exchange for food. Finally Crystal grows weary and makes her way to the basement, where she finds small children in a bondage room with a U.F.O shaped lantern. There is blood everywhere. Cyclona is hanging half-nude in a bondage style contraption. She tells Crystal that Sister Gomez made her watch while she chopped up children and made food out of them. She reveals that her ultimate plan for Crystal was to fatten her up with the meat of the children, and then, serve Crystal up for dinner as well. Crystal concludes that Sister Gomez is the leader of a bizarre cult that rapes and eats children and then sells the videos, protected by the front of a Catholic mission. Ready to deliver justice, White Girl/Crystal frees Cyclona and kills all the cult members; she also reveals Sister Gomez to be a rather well-endowed man. Not succumbing to bullets, Gomez is thrown in the oven. Burning, Gomez screams of his 5,000 years of terror and the revenge from his father Jupiter that will ensue. Crystal, keeping a promise made earlier, is forced to kill Cyclona in a tearful scene rather than allow her to be captured. Cyclona, wishing to leave behind a life of abuse and violence, hopes to be reincarnated as an eagle (we discover that Sister Gomez was her earliest abuser). White Girl makes a deal with the federales and leaves with her lawyer/pimp, stating "I'm not hungry anymore." signifying her triumph over the hungry demon.

soulja 27-07-2008 03:26 PM

another twisted movie with MK undertones is ''Nobody loves Alice''



Alice (NITZAN MAGER) is a beautiful woman whose good looks hide an endurably lonely childhood in a series of foster homes. Also hidden is an insane – and murderous – desire for fairy tale love. Whoever withholds it from her is brutally punished with Alice’s own brand of brutal torture. It is the bad luck of her co-worker Abigail (AMANDA TAYLOR) and her fiancé Alex (PHILLIP WARD) to find out too late why NOBODY LOVES ALICE, as they become her next prey. Now Abigail must try to get into Alice’s twisted world to try to find and save the man she loves – or what’s left of him – before it’s too late.
there is a scene where she feeds the guy parts of his own leg and refers to it as 'chicken'..

soulja 27-07-2008 03:49 PM

Album cover of a guy called ''King Diamond''



During a spring 1984 interview with British heavy metal magazine Kerrang! correspondent Dave Dickson, who, after some introductory remarks and questions about the then-current Mercyful Fate album Don't Break The Oath, took Diamond to task regarding his Satanic beliefs.[citation needed] Dickson made frequent references to infamous occultist Aleister Crowley, by whom Diamond denied being influenced. Diamond expressed his admiration of Anton Szandor LaVey (founder of The Church of Satan in San Francisco in 1966) in the interview, which has been cited by some as influential in the demise of Mercyful Fate (although Diamond has always denied this). In the same interview he claimed to have cursed Manowar, as Fate had briefly toured as a support act to Manowar in the UK, and there were personality conflicts between the two bands.

He adorns himself with inverted crosses, the sigil of Baphomet (from the LaVeyan perspective) and has written lyrics openly hostile to Christianity (as evidenced in "The Oath" with lyrics including "I deny Jesus Christ, The Deceiver, and I abjure the Christian faith holding in contempt the whole of its works"). However, with the albums released under his own name, he has downplayed the overt Satanism in favour of a "horror movie" approach, though he still wears inverted crosses as jewellery and makeup.

In an interview from 2006, King Diamond reveals that he does not follow any specific religion, and expresses concern that religion has led so many people to kill and destroy each other. He stated that he cannot comprehend why religion has caused so much death and destruction, when it is logically impossible to prove the presence or absence of any god (for example, the Holocaust, Crusades, etc.). He reveals that he has reached a point in his life where he has completely given up believing in anything religious and that he simply does not know what to answer when asked whether he is a Satanist or not

soulja 27-07-2008 03:58 PM


These cages are called Woodpecker Grids. The victim sees a flash of light when high D.C. voltage is applied. Later, this flash of light is used with hypnotic induction to make the person think they are going into another dimension when they are blasted with high voltage. In the Peter Pan programming, the Programmers tell the slaves that this is “riding the light.” One of the popular traumas after the small child has endured the Woodpecker Grid cages for days is to rape it. The rape is intentionally brutal so that it will be as traumatic as possible

Andi Deris - We're riding the Light


Unbounded colours are drafting ahead
Lighten a future which we never had
We are the troopers
Riding through space until we die
Riding through space until we die

We're riding the light
Riding the light
We are the damned of the holy reich
We're riding....

First came the liars
The there was hate
The came the fire
And nearly too late
Were sent the troopers
Into the space of human race

We're riding the light
Riding the light
We are the damned of the holy reich
Where is the one?
Where is the one
Leading us home where it's all begun?
We're riding....

We are the troopers
Deep in your minds
We are the troopers
We are the spies

In a dreams without end
It's a dream without end
We are the damned of the holy reich
Where is the one?
Where is the one?
Leading us home where it's all begun?
We're riding....
one of his album covers

King Diamond has a album called



What would happen if a slave physically got away from its master or handler? This has happened countless times and the mind-control is so solid that the handlers don’t have too much to worry about. Mind-controlled slaves have gone to therapists for years and never gotten free of the mind-control. The therapeutic process that the establishment has schooled them in and then requires them to adhere to, prevents the therapist from doing things that might really set the victim free. Therapists are often loath to give any help in any thing that smacks of spirituality. The spiritual issues in many of these slaves are the most crucial issues facing them. If they don’t resolve these spiritual issues, the deeper alters will continue to adhere to their blood oaths of allegiance to their Satanic abusers and their oaths to serve Satan loyally.

Each cult which programs, makes sure that they place in lots of loyal alters, which therapists call persecutor alters because they torment the alters who want freedom. If therapists try to eliminate these persecutor alters, they will fight back with the full tenacity and strength that the survival instinct gives to anyone. Their persecutor role needs to be validated, and then redirected toward productive ends. Many persecutor alters see life simply as following their instructions and that they are protecting the system from greater harm by stopping therapy. During programming that was the case, but if their System has reached a good therapist and has good support team of other people, their fears no longer apply. The cult will attempt to show them that their fears do still apply. Hopefully, the support team for the system of alters will work as hard at protecting as the abusers do to reinforce the fear. Many of the programmers have been associated with the military. One of the tricks that the military learned is a defense in depth. The Russians employed defenses in depth with great success in 1943 in the big battle of Kursk during W.W. II. The first defense is that the slave has no awareness of the MPD (DID) or that they are being used as a slave. Some of the alters will realize that something is wrong, but the mind control is too strong for them to see clearly. Essentially the System is in trance all the time, even the front alters, they do not perceive reality like people who are not in trance all the time. The next line of defense is that the fronts of an alter System don’t have a clue about the abuse or what their system has been designed for. The front alters will have alters which are loyal to the master, and alters who are full of craziness and disinformation. If the victim keeps probing (which many don’t) they will discover an occult involvement. Even if they discover that the System is related to the occult world, the programming is still intact. If the person finds out he is MPD, and finds out that the System was part of the occult world, then he still is captured by all the programming which is intact. Walls, fire walls, mazes, suicide programming, internal armies, programmed craziness and many other tactics sap the strength of the front alters if they try to deviate from the straight and narrow programmed way of behaving.

mrguitarbear 27-07-2008 04:14 PM

' Riding the Light ' ? Maybe ' Ride the Lightning ' ?


soulja 27-07-2008 04:23 PM

couple of days ago i watched a movie called Southland Tales.

must be the one movie with most MK references i've ever seen (apart from Butterfly Effect)


California is at the epicenter of a political and environmental disaster that threatens to destroy the world in this ambitious fusion of comedy, drama, dystopia science fiction, and music. In the year 2005, a nuclear attack wipes out part of the state of Texas, and three years later America is a virtual police state, with the government taking control of nearly every part of people's lives, supposedly for their own good. A German firm has found a way to generate energy using seawater, but both public and private concerns are desperate to prevent the new technology from being introduced in the gasoline-starved United States. A Marxist underground based on the West Coast is determined to bring down the federal government through violent revolution. In this midst of this chaos, we follow a number of stories that continually return to three principle characters. Boxer Santaros is an actor famous for his role in action films; he's trying to secure financing for a new project, but reality keeps mirroring the events in his script and he struggles to hold on to his identity following a bout with amnesia. Krysta Now is a porn star who is reinventing herself as a television pundit offering her views on politics, contemporary culture, and teenage sex. And Roland Taverner is an L.A. police officer whose identity has mysteriously split in two and he struggles to track down his other half.
i won't write a whole symbolism decoding post of it so just a few examples

yellow brick road, rabbit..

in front of the mirror, heavely tattoed

his mother is head of security
dressed in black (Mother of Darkness Alter/ Grand Dame level in Illuminati)

again one of the main characters in front of a mirror /split personality reference

she is the person who guides the main character through the storyline, she gives commands often 3 times /triggers him. works in the NSA type organization his mother is head of.

a symbol tied into MK we haven't covered in the Thread so far is the Smiley face. it's all over the movie

''smile'' is another command/trigger tied into programing.

that's the reason Lily Allen made a song called ''smile''


soulja 27-07-2008 04:25 PM

talking bout Lily Allen, just came across this one
Rainbow style Umbrella and Rubies (?)

as for the smiley

brown velvet 27-07-2008 05:00 PM

dark angel

Originally Posted by soulja (Post 435911)
as for the smiley

Hey :)

Grrrrreat posts soulja :D
the mention of smilies.....
sure this is old news, always worth a memory jog tho...
Dark Angel and the handsome Michael Weatherly:cool: mmmmmm
so many triggers, everywhere, all the time, fascinating insider viewing, trolled out for the youth.... Many of the scenes are in the 'couriers building' always a couple of scenes at their lockers, the stickers / pastings / messages etc on the lockers changes constantly, always there are smilies, I noticed them way before I 'noticed' them ;)


The pilot episode, in the 'main mans' office....

disturbing, to say the least.


cheeb 27-07-2008 05:50 PM

The Rabbithole
American Psycho...
One Eye Ans The Mirrored Reflection..

Christian Bale In Mask..

Christian Bales Stepmum was CIA Agent
Gloria Steinem

Gloria Steinem, undercover as a Playboy Bunny for an expose on the New York Playboy Club, 1962

Feminist icon GLORIA STEINEM is begging her stepson CHRISTIAN BALE not to take on any more roles where he has to gain or lose large amounts of weight

Before Steinem was a crazy woman she was a reporter, and first came to fame in 1963 when she wrote an undercover exposé of life as a Playboy Bunny. She was 28, and didn't then consider herself a feminist, and so the article focused less on the politics of the Hefner empire and more on the socio-economics of a Bunny's life.


Steinem wrote, all of which added up. Before she herself qualified, she had to undergo a gynaecological examination. After the article was published, Hefner wrote to her, conceding that "your beef about the physical given the girls before they start work at the club prompted my eliminating it".

Pam Greir Of Blaxploitation Fame...

Bales Stepmum Was In The MK Ultra
"Bunny Buisness"


Lilly Allen As Jessica Rabbit


A Sample Video
Lots Of Symbolism There
Robots Galore

Here She Is From The Finished Video


And The Finished Video

In Emerald...
Murdered A Perfectly Good Song There In My Opinion..

This Is The Cover..

One Eye,Sign Of Silence-No Talk Trigger,
Fragmented-Ripped Up Picture..

Here is another Cover From Lilly Allen...

Lots Of Symbolism Here
Masonic Checkerboard,
Hook Em Horns,
Caduces Of Heracles...

hunkahunka 27-07-2008 06:18 PM



Lyrics to the Nirvana song 'In Bloom', from the album 'Nevermind':

Sell the kids for food

Weather changes moods
Spring is here again
Reproductive glands

He’s the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
knows not what it means
when I say

He’s the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what means
knows no what it means
when I say yeeeaaahhh



We can have some more
Nature is a whore
Bruises on the fruit
Tender age in bloom

He’s the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
knows not what it means
when I say

He’s the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
knows not what it means
when I say yeeeaaahhh

He’s the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
knows not what it means
when I say

He’s the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
knows not what it means
knows not what it means
knows not what it means and I say yeeeaaah
'we can have some more' , imo, means,
"we can have some more children, because we're selling these ones"
"bruises on the fruit": means the parents consider their own kids to be just damaged produce,
to be sold into the market

hunkahunka 27-07-2008 07:10 PM


Jefferson Airplane - Ask Alice

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice
When she’s ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall
Tell them a hookah smoking caterpillar has given you the call
Call Alice
When she was just small

When the men on the chess board
get up and tell you where to go
And you just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving slow
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "Off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said

Feed your head
Feed your head

Here it is set to Disney Alice in Wonderland footage:

amethyst 27-07-2008 07:31 PM

Go Ask Alice

A book from the 1970's later made into a movie.



"Go Ask Alice is a controversial 1971 book about drug abuse that is considered a classic of American young adult literature. The book purports to be the actual diary of an anonymous teenage girl who died of a drug overdose in the late 1960s and is therefore presented as a testimony against drug use. Alice is not the protagonist's name; the diarist's name is never given in the book. A woman named Alice is mentioned briefly in one entry; she is a fellow addict the diarist meets on the street. Despite this, reviewers generally refer to the diarist as "Alice" for the sake of convenience.

It caused a sensation when published and remains in print as of 2008. Revelations about the book's origin have caused much doubt as to its authenticity and factual accounts, and the publishers have listed it as a work of fiction since at least the mid-late 1980s. Although it is still published under the byline "Anonymous," press interviews and copyright records suggest that it is largely or wholly the work of its purported editor, Beatrice Sparks.

Some of the days and dates referenced in the book put the timeline from 1968 until 1970.

The title is from the lyrics to the Jefferson Airplane song "White Rabbit". Grace Slick wrote the song based on perceived drug references in the classic novel Alice In Wonderland. (On July 14 [page 36 of the 2006 edition], the writer says she "feel[s] like Alice in Wonderland" and "maybe Lewis G. Caroll was on drugs too".)

Plot summary

"The novel, or diary, deals with the downfall of a fifteen-year-old American girl and her journals over the course of two years and a few days.

At the beginning of the book, "Alice" is a typical, insecure, middle-class teenager preoccupied with boys, diets, and popularity. Her fortunes take a sharp turn for the worse when her family moves to a new town and she finds herself less popular and more isolated than ever before. Unhappy in the new town, she is overjoyed to be allowed to return to the old town to spend the summer with her grandparents. During this stay she is invited to a party by an old acquaintance; there she unwittingly ingests LSD that had been added to random bottles of Coca-Cola and distributed to the party guests as a game. The other guests had mistakenly assumed Alice was aware of what the "game" entailed. After this first unwitting, but pleasurable, experience, she seeks drugs deliberately, and rapidly proceeds to marijuana, amphetamines, and casual sex. She describes her drug experiences intricately; the more extreme the supposed diarist's drug experience, the more sophisticated and descriptive her writing becomes.

A pregnancy scare and the return to her new town encourage her to turn away from drugs; however she soon willingly falls in with the drug crowd where finally she finds acceptance. She starts dating a drug dealer and sells drugs to grade-schoolers for him. After realizing he was using her, she turns him in to the police and runs away from home with her new friend Chris, moving to San Francisco. She opens a boutique with Chris, however she misses her family. After being given heroin and then being raped by Chris' boss, Shelia and her boyfriend, she and Chris return home.

She is welcomed back warmly by her family, but finds herself ostracized by the community and has difficulty keeping her resolve to avoid drugs. She soon weakens and, while high, runs away again. She spends time living on the streets, a period during which her diary is not dated and entries were purportedly recorded on scraps of paper or paper napkins. She finds herself having sexual relations with strangers and loses track of everything, but her fear for her family finally gives her enough courage to ask a priest to help her return home.

When she returns home she vows to stay completely off drugs, and succeeds, even without the support of Chris who has now moved away. However, she is again ostracized by her former friends who continue to label her a police informant, and is ignored by the "square" kids. While babysitting, Alice is drugged without her knowledge. She has a violent, bad trip, during which a neighbor locks her in the closet, where she badly injures herself trying to claw her way out, and is committed to a psychiatric hospital. After being released she returns home, is finally happy and over her drug addiction. She starts a new romance with a student, Joel, at her father's university. She gets her life back on track and finally makes the decision to stop keeping a diary.

An editorial note informs readers that three weeks after the last entry the diarist died of an overdose. Although it remains unclear whether Alice's overdose was accidental or premeditated, the key issue is that this girl -- whose life the reader has followed in intimate detail -- was just one of the thousands who died because of drugs that year."

[edit] Authorship

Go Ask Alice was originally promoted as nonfiction and was published under the byline "Anonymous." However, not long after its publication, Beatrice Sparks, a psychologist and Mormon youth counselor, began making media appearances promoting herself as the book's editor.

Searches at the U.S. Copyright Office[1] show that Sparks is the sole copyright holder for Go Ask Alice. Furthermore, she is listed on the copyright record as the book's author — not as the editor, compiler, or executor, which would be more usual for someone publishing the diary of a deceased person. (According to the book itself, the sole copyright is owned by Prentice-Hall)

In an October 1979 interview with Aileen Pace Nilsen for School Library Journal, Sparks claimed that Go Ask Alice had been based on the diary of one of her patients, but that she had added various fictional incidents based on her experiences working with other troubled teens. She said the real "Alice" had not died of a drug overdose, but in a way that could have been either an accident or suicide. She also stated that she could not produce the original diary, because she had destroyed part of it after transcribing it and the rest was locked away in the publisher's vault.

Sparks' second "diary" project, Jay's Journal, gave rise to a controversy that cast further doubt"

cheeb 27-07-2008 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by hunkahunka (Post 436083)

Jefferson Airplane - Ask Alice

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice
When she’s ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall
Tell them a hookah smoking caterpillar has given you the call
Call Alice
When she was just small

When the men on the chess board
get up and tell you where to go
And you just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving slow
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "Off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said

Feed your head
Feed your head

Here it is set to Disney Alice in Wonderland footage:


Funny,I Was Thinking Of This Too...

Grace Slick

Counterculture Meets Mall Culture for Grace Slick
The Ex-Acid-Rock Singer Peddles Her 'Alice' Art
Sue Kavach
Grace Slick says she can't remember a lot of things, which is perhaps no surprise given how much she drank and drugged herself into oblivion during her reign as a rock-and-roll queen

Now she's an artist holding court at a gallery in a suburban shopping mall, where some 150 people have come to see her paintings
and drawings. But mostly it is a chance for them to set their eyes on a legend, the woman who did all those bad things that horrified parents -- and survived.

Polka-dotted teacups are set on a table at the Wentworth Gallery in Fashion Centre at Pentagon City, in a tribute to Slick, whose work revolves around "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland," nudes and rock musicians (live ones like Eric Clapton, but more often dead ones like Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Jerry Garcia and Janis Joplin)

Alice Sipping Tea
By Grace Slick

Back in 1970, Grace Slick came to Washington for a very different purpose: a White House reception hosted by Tricia Nixon. The event's organizers weren't aware that her song "Mexico" was a scathing critique of President Richard Nixon's anti-drug policy. Nonetheless, she was denied entrance because she'd brought along Abbie Hoffman, whose name was synonymous with radical. Slick said afterward she would have spiked Nixon's tea with LSD if she'd gotten in.

"This shot of Grace Slick and Janis was taken in 1967 for Teen Set magazine for an article on the two Queen Bees of San Francisco Rock.

Strangulation And Teenset,,

Jimmi Hendrix And Conspiracy..

Ewige Blummencraft
Ewige Blumenkraft (German: "forever flower power" or "flower power forever") is given in Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! Trilogy as a slogan or password of the Illuminati. Since "flower power" is a modern concept advanced by hippies, it is likely that Shea and Wilson intended this as a joke, although, characteristically, they never say so. They attribute the disclosure of this slogan to an article by Sandra Glass in the magazine Teenset for March 1969. Another possibility is that the rose and lotus flower are an important symbol of spiritual development in both the western and eastern mystery schools. "Ewige Blumenkraft und ewige Schlangenkraft" is also offered in Illuminatus! as the complete version of this motto. The text translates "Schlangenkraft" as "serpent power"; thus "Ewige Blumenkraft und ewige Schlangenkraft" means "eternal flower power and eternal serpent power" and may allude to the conjoinment of cross and rose within the alchemical furnace. In this interpretation, the authors seem to suggest sexual magick as the secret or a secret of the Illuminati. Illuminatus! quotes Glass as claiming that the phrase figured in an incident involving Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley and Senator Abraham A. Ribicoff during the 1968 Democratic National Convention. After Ribicoff criticized Mayor Daley for instructing the Chicago Police Department to deal harshly with anti-war demonstrators, Daley shouted something inaudible at Ribicoff, leading to widespread speculation about what Daley had said. The Teenset article, according to Illuminatus!, introduces the novel theory that Daley shouted "Ewige Blumenkraft!" -- presumably marking Daley as a member of the Illuminati. The web-page [ claims that this article really appeared in Teenset, but that Sandra Glass was a pseudonym for Robert Shea, who was playing a prank. The Teenset article (as quoted in Illuminatus!) cites Simon Moon -- a fictional character from Illuminatus!, as well as one of Robert Anton Wilson's pen names -- as the source of its background information on the Illuminati.

The 28 Club

James Marshall Hendrix (born Johnny Allen Hendrix and known as Jimi Hendrix) (November 27, 1942 – September 18, 1970)

Janis Lyn Joplin (January 19, 1943–October 4, 1970)

James Douglas Morrison (December 8, 1943 – July 3, 1971)


"Before I sink into the big sleep, I want to hear The Scream of the Butterfly."

-- Jim Morrison
@ 6.30

"When the Music's Over"

Q: "What about Jim Morrison of The Doors?"

Grace: "I don't know. We co-headlined with them in Europe, and was that funny. We were in Amsterdam - drugs were legal there - and we'd all be walking down the street and kids would walk up and hand us these drugs.
We'd maybe smoke one toke off a joint or something. Well, Jim took everything everyone offered him. And by the time we had to play that night, he couldn't. He came onstage during our performance, and he was like a pinwheel. I mean,
he was just flailing all over. They had to take him away. But I don't think it was suicidal. It was just...push it to the edge, see whether it's going to fall off or not."

Now, I wanted it all--I wanted the boyfriend or husband and the kid and the job and the drugs; I didn't want to give up one for the other. So that's what I did, and I'm glad, because when you get old it's what you didn't do that you regret. I didn't learn how to ride a horse. I didn't go to the Middle East. I didn't screw Jimi Hendrix or Peter O'Toole when I had the chance. I would have loved to have gotten drunk with all those British guys like Oliver Reed and Richard Harris and screwed them all, because that's what the deal was then--sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. IS: With no apologies.


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mrguitarbear 27-07-2008 10:42 PM

This is probably where it all starts , with the hippie movement and the associated peace movement in the 1960s.


The way of the hippie is antithetical to all repressive hierarchical power structures since these are adverse to the hippie goals of peace, love and freedom. This is why the “Establishment” feared and suppressed the hippie movement of the ’60s, as it was a revolution against the established order.
You can see why the CIA would want to infiltrate the music industry , or have a certain amount of control over the music industry , in case anything like this ever happened again.

With the control over the world media that the CIA has - supposedly they have agents in media outlets in every capital city in the world , and they own many publications outright or in part - they can promote any music act that they choose. Very rarely will the CIA act in a ' hands on ' fashion though , they act as ' puppet masters ' behind the scenes via investments and holding companies. It would be very easy to fill the music industry and film industry with their ' projects '.

cheeb 27-07-2008 11:42 PM

The Other Agent Orange..!!!

Originally Posted by mrguitarbear (Post 436331)
This is probably where it all starts , with the hippie movement and the associated peace movement in the 1960s.

You can see why the CIA would want to infiltrate the music industry , or have a certain amount of control over the music industry , in case anything like this ever happened again.

With the control over the world media that the CIA has - supposedly they have agents in media outlets in every capital city in the world , and they own many publications outright or in part - they can promote any music act that they choose. Very rarely will the CIA act in a ' hands on ' fashion though , they act as ' puppet masters ' behind the scenes via investments and holding companies. It would be very easy to fill the music industry and film industry with their ' projects '.

Hello :)
You Seem To Be Good At Investigating Stuff,

Any Ideas About:

Orange Sunshine - this print depicts a four-way hit

This is one of the more popular blotter iconographies. Alluding to the popular sixties acid pill.

ONE TYPE OF ACID was particularly popular among American ground forces in Vietnam. It was called " orange sunshine," and much of it was smuggled in from southern California during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Far from the rice paddies of Southeast Asia a group known as the Brotherhood of Eternal Love was waging its own holy war of sorts in their tireless efforts to turn the world on to LSD. During their heydey the Brotherhood ran the world's largest illicit LSD ring.

CIA Front Or What...?????

hunkahunka 28-07-2008 12:11 AM

these images are from 'The March of the Cards' in Alice in Wonderland.




strangely, the March of the Cards makes an appearance at
the Venice carnival:
ff to 4:30 to see it in this video:


In the hedge maze garden, Alice meets some playing cards (her own size due to her current height) painting white roses red, who warn her about a demanding queen who beheads her disloyal subjects at will. The White Rabbit appears and heralds the arrival of the Queen, her diminutive husband, and her card army. Furious over her painted roses, the Queen orders the decapitation of the gardener cards. She then calms down and becomes sweet toward Alice and invites her to a game of croquet, using flamingos as mallets, hedgehogs as balls, and card soldiers as goals. The Queen cheats during the game, and orders the beheading of anyone who dares stand in the way of her victory.

The Cheshire Cat appears and plays a prank on the Queen, then disappears, causing the Queen to believe that Alice is the prankster. Before the Queen can order her execution, the King suggests that Alice be put on trial. At the trial, Alice's nonsensical acquaintances condemn her. The Cheshire Cat appears and causes enough distraction to allow Alice to eat the remaining portions of mushroom, causing her to grow to gigantic proportions. At this size, Alice scolds the terrified Queen for her rash behavior, but then starts shrinking back to her normal size all too soon.


In this image it appears that Alice is set to be decapitated by the Queen of Hearts' card army, alongside the gardener cards.

brown velvet 28-07-2008 01:38 AM

balls lolololol

Originally Posted by hunkahunka (Post 436418)
using flamingos as mallets, hedgehogs as balls

Hiya :D
Excellent find




cheeb 28-07-2008 02:15 AM

Emergency 9.11

Originally Posted by brown velvet (Post 436487)
Hiya :D
Excellent find




Is This What You Are Aluding To..???



From The Super Mario Brothers Film...

Or From Predictive Programmes Set Up Pre 9.11



It Has Been Happenig For A Long Time....

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