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startzpe
20-09-2007, 07:41 AM
This was filmed a few years ago, very disturbing mutilation evidence
****WARNING THIS VIDEO CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES****

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7978856855951271705&q=cathy+o%27brien&total=175&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

eternal_spirit
20-09-2007, 07:54 AM
what you mean what's:eek: left of a body after ritual sacrafice or something horrible?

startzpe
21-09-2007, 04:41 AM
If you have read TRANCE FORMATION of America, she describes a ritual mutilation of her vagina (with a demon face), GNN had a medical doctor verify on record (with images at the end of the video) that this was true.

i_am
21-09-2007, 04:59 AM
If you have read TRANCE FORMATION of America, she describes a ritual mutilation of her vagina (with a demon face), GNN had a medical doctor verify on record (with images at the end of the video) that this was true.


Yes it is rather graphic but certainly shows that this woman was mutilated for some bizarre rituallistic reaon.

abrilliantone
21-09-2007, 06:09 AM
It just goes to show you how sick and twisted they are.:eek::mad::(

adimon
21-09-2007, 06:25 AM
If you have read TRANCE FORMATION of America, she describes a ritual mutilation of her vagina (with a demon face), GNN had a medical doctor verify on record (with images at the end of the video) that this was true.

Does Cathy offer any other evidence of her claims do you know?

lizzy
21-09-2007, 07:16 AM
This vid is really for real. I was at a conference at Mt Shasta a couple of weeks ago. David Icke gave a 5 hr presentation on the Sunday. On the Sat.Cathy O'brian and Mark Phillips gave a 2 hr presentation. He was an FBI agent when he rescued Cathy from her enslavement. What happened over her years of incomprehensible abuse is the most abhorrent first hand witness account of mind control imaginable. One really wants to turn away it is too hard to stomach. Mark Phillips is now her partner in exposing this horror and the only reason they are not dead is that the Evil Elite involved know if they meet an untimely death evidence will be made public.
They also enslaved her young daughter and David Icke has been working theraputically with both Cathy and her daughter. This was told to the audience in Sept. at the Mt . Shasta conference, both parties acknowledged their respect and gratitude. Cathy O'Brian's books were available to buy but much can be found on the internet.
They normally kill their victims before age 35-40 because that is then these supressed memories start to emerge.
The evil filth that participated are in power NOW.
As you can imagine the Evil ones did much to try and shut them up but have so far failed , having to live in their car to survive and always looking over their shoulder.
It is a personal story of Illuminarti horror and it is true.

adimon
21-09-2007, 07:21 PM
This vid is really for real. I was at a conference at Mt Shasta a couple of weeks ago. David Icke gave a 5 hr presentation on the Sunday. On the Sat.Cathy O'brian and Mark Phillips gave a 2 hr presentation. He was an FBI agent when he rescued Cathy from her enslavement. What happened over her years of incomprehensible abuse is the most abhorrent first hand witness account of mind control imaginable. One really wants to turn away it is too hard to stomach. Mark Phillips is now her partner in exposing this horror and the only reason they are not dead is that the Evil Elite involved know if they meet an untimely death evidence will be made public.
They also enslaved her young daughter and David Icke has been working theraputically with both Cathy and her daughter. This was told to the audience in Sept. at the Mt . Shasta conference, both parties acknowledged their respect and gratitude. Cathy O'Brian's books were available to buy but much can be found on the internet.
They normally kill their victims before age 35-40 because that is then these supressed memories start to emerge.
The evil filth that participated are in power NOW.
As you can imagine the Evil ones did much to try and shut them up but have so far failed , having to live in their car to survive and always looking over their shoulder.
It is a personal story of Illuminarti horror and it is true.

Hi. I'm not saying her story isn't true, but have the two of them collected/presented any corroborating evidence besides their stories and the vagina thing?

kblood
21-09-2007, 08:36 PM
Hi. I'm not saying her story isn't true, but have the two of them collected/presented any corroborating evidence besides their stories and the vagina thing?

They have tried, but the only "evidence" seems to be her books and the marks left on her body and her daughters body. Guess it is not easy to prove something like this, if so many are trying to cover it up.

Would help alot if some of the porn videos made, of her and her daughter with some of the famous people she has said was involved, turned up.

I am not sure if the story she has told is true or not, but she seems to be one of the best sources Icke has. I do not really see why she would be lying either.

adimon
22-09-2007, 02:49 AM
They have tried, but the only "evidence" seems to be her books and the marks left on her body and her daughters body. Guess it is not easy to prove something like this, if so many are trying to cover it up.

Would help alot if some of the porn videos made, of her and her daughter with some of the famous people she has said was involved, turned up.

I am not sure if the story she has told is true or not, but she seems to be one of the best sources Icke has. I do not really see why she would be lying either.

Maybe for self-publicity. Not saying it's what happened - but it is possible. Lots of people confess to crimes (usually murder and worse) that they didn't commit, in order to gain publicity. And people have also been found to claim to be victims, when they weren't.

Deborah Harry (of Blondie fame) claimed to be one of Bundy's victims that got away. When they looked into her story, it was discovered that Ted was in prison at the time.

I would like to see further evidence if it materialises.

startzpe
22-09-2007, 05:27 AM
If you want to find out if Cathy O'briens story is true, it is possible to research it to an extent.

I remeber being on the GNN forums in 2002 when this was released. Stephen Marshall was the other guy in the video, he had done some research into the story. He had interviewed a sheriff in a community where cathy had stated one of her ex husbands (Wayne Cox) had murdered a hobo. The sheriff was spooked as the info had never been made public about the hobos hands being cut off. Stephen Marshall also stated he was allowed to read through more of her journals of semi recovered memories. She had some stuff in them that made the info in the book look tame. They couldn't be sure on some of them so they were not released.

I wish the old forum was still active as that was good info, and I can't remember it it exactly.

Another way is to look at the various names, she has given up in the book and see wheere they are now. Some of them have very sordid pasts and criminal events have occured since the writing of the book.

Such as ...


Then Youngstown Sheriff, now
U.S. Representative Jim Traficant, was usually present. He capitalized on his
ability to portray himself as "Lurch" by slowly opening the door and saying,
"Walk this way - To a literal slave in training, this means walk like he is
walking-like Lurch, Egor, a street whore, Scarecrow, and so on.

pg 118

Rep. James A. Traficant ()
James Anthony Traficant, Jr.
Rep. James A. Traficant
Born May 8, 1941
Youngstown, Ohio

U.S. Representative from Ohio 1985-2002. Convicted on bribery charges and expelled from the U.S. House of Representatives July 24, 2002. Currently serving eight-year sentence at the Allenwood federal prison in White Deer, Pennsylvania.


or

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/10/bill-bennett-and-great-white.html

[QUOTE]Odd, how many impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible things are being spoken aloud these days in America. That's how Bill Bennett characterized his thesis that "you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down." Perhaps that's also a fair description of the freewheeling hypocrite himself.

Bennett makes one of the wilder celebrity cameos in Cathy O'Brien's Trance-formation of America. It's not so much the sexual violence ("Bennett apparently found perverse pleasure in whipping me"), which by the time he turns up in the story has all but lost its power to shock, but the scene in what O'Brien calls the underground mind control lab of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center that is most weirdly notable.

O'Brien is lying on a metal table, having been administered a drug to create "total compliance":

In the darkness surrounding me, I could hear Bill Bennett talking, "This is my brother, Bob. He and I work as one unit. We are alien to this dimension - two beings from another plane."

The high-tech light display swirling around me convinced me I was transforming dimensions with them. A laser of light hit the black wall in front of me, which seemed to explode into a panoramic view of a White House cocktail party - as though I had transformed dimensions and stood amongst them. Not recognizing anyone, I frantically asked, "Who are these people?"

"They're not people, and this isn't a spaceship," Bennett said. As he spoke, the holographic scene changed ever so slightly until the people appeared to be lizard-like aliens. "Welcome to the second level of the underground. This level is a mere reflection of the first, an alien dimension. We are from a transdimensional plane that spans and encompasses all dimensions."

"Infinite dimensions," Bob injected. "Infinite dimensions spanned simultaneously."

Bill said, "No limitations."
http://bluelemur.com/images/stories/bulgethumb.jpg

Dick Cheney had an apparent addiction to the "thrill of the sport." He appeared obsessed with playing A Most Dangerous Game as a means of traumatizing mind control victims, as well as to satisfy his own perverse sexual kinks. My introduction to the game occurred upon arrival at the hunting lodge near Greybull, Wyoming, and it physically and psychologically devastated me. I was sufficiently traumatized for Cheney's programming, as I stood naked in his hunting lodge office after being hunted down and caught. Cheney was talking as he paced around me, "I could stuff you and mount you like a jackalope and call you a two legged dear. Or I could stuff you with this (he unzipped his pants to reveal his oversized penis) right down your throat, and then mount you. Which do you prefer?"

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/11/dick-cheneys-other-big-secret.html

1 2 free
22-09-2007, 03:45 PM
She always comes across as very credible. Her story hasn't changed either. Worth watch some videos on Google or Youtube.

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=cathy+o+brien

bapp_69
22-09-2007, 04:02 PM
There was also a reference to this in a Halloween epidsode of the Simpsons. Mr Burns invited a group of people round to his home and advised them they would be taking part in "The most dangerous game". He then proceeded to send them off to the woods as he and Smithers hunted them with a shotgun!

Pretty sick when you think that it actually happens!

I'll try and find the episode on you tube!

startzpe
04-10-2007, 08:11 PM
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/cobrien.htm

Cathy O'Brien was born in Michigan in 1957 and although most of this information will be hard to believe, it is all true. The MK Ultra Project Monarch mind control operation is real and on August 3rd, 1977 the 95th U.S. Congress opened hearings into the reported abuses concerning the CIA's Top Secret mind control research project and most of the congressional records are included in her book.

Cathy wrote the book for your review and edification concerning a little known tool that "our" United States Government is covertly, illegally, and un-constitutionally using to implement the New World Order (One World Government). This well documented tool is a sophisticated and advanced form of behavior modification (brainwashing) most commonly known as MIND CONTROL. My first hand knowledge of this TOP SECRET U.S. Government Psychological Warfare technique is drawn from my personal experience as a White House "Presidential Model" mind-control slave.

TRANCE Formation of America is the documented autobiography of a victim of government mind control. Cathy O'Brien is the only vocal and recovered survivor of the Central Intelligence Agency's MK-Ultra Project Monarch mind control operation. Chiseled deep into the white stone of the CIA's Langley, Virginia headquarters is a partial verse lifted from the Holy Bible and writings of Saint John..."and the truth shall make you free." This statement, like the agency, is total reality. The building that it is engraved upon houses the world's most successful manufacturer of lies to facilitate psychological warfare.

Through the courageous efforts of Mark Phillips (internationally recognized expert in mind control and deprogramming), Cathy was rescued from certain death and then began the long reconstructive journey back to "wholeness".

Cathy's words strike deep in the heart of the beast and reveal the cruel, murderous world of mind control in all of its ugly facets, exposing many famous people, particularly in the high-flying worlds of politics and music. Cathy's recall is so well articulated that even the most skeptical minds will be forced to recognize that MK-Ultra Monarch Mind Control is not a theory, but an ugly reality.

startzpe
17-10-2007, 08:00 AM
if you need to read it, here it is.

Support them though

http://www.sbindymedia.org/newswire/display/3622/index.php

samkinison75
28-02-2008, 12:50 AM
She definetly seems credible to me. On a similiar note, as I was reading David Icke's new book and where it mentions some of the Mormon Mind Control happenings that were related by Cathy O'brian, which refer to underground temples and what not where satanic like rituals happen. I have actually heard quite a lot about this here (in Salt Lake). I know for a fact that there are tunnels which connect through the downtown mall Crossroads which is right across the street from the temple as well and the ZCMI mall that connects to Crossroads and is also across the street from the Church Office building next to the temple. I had been in some of them somewhat when I was in Junior High Schools and we knew them as rat tunnels which seemed to go in all sorts of directions. We were intimidated by something, I cannot recally but what exactly what as this is about 13 years ago. My theory is that the tunnles also connect to the Mason temple of Salt Lake which is about a mile and a half east from the Temples. I have heard numerous tales about the existence of these tunnels all over the downtown area, (tales as there are not too much evidence behind them because knowone has really got too far into the tunnels), which is because of military like security as well as because there is a lot of surveilance camera's watching the now entrances into these tunnels.

It would make much sense that these tunnels connect to the temple as they are just right across the street in the malls. Strangely enough the Mormons bought out these malls and bought property within a mile radius of the temple, which also includes the Federal Reserve building too within its vecinity.

Quite interesting it is actually.

madthumbs
28-02-2008, 01:04 AM
Are the people saying she appears credible kidding? She comes across as a liar, but that could be her programming.

It comes across as one of those conspiracy theorist whack job honey pots used to discredit people who are more susceptible to believing in every government conspiracy theory.

We should be are aware of:

The Cult of Conspiracy Theorists (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6335)
DeActivism - How to Demobilize a Movement (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7093)
Crowds 'Pick Leaders To Follow' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/14/scisheep114.xml)

cruise4
29-02-2008, 03:50 AM
I find it hard to believe anyone would willingly put themselves through that ordeal without strong conviction. I saw no evidence of lying. And parts of her story are certainly reminiscent of much else. My gut instinct tells me the black op guys are into all this shit.

scones86
07-03-2008, 01:41 PM
This vid is really for real. I was at a conference at Mt Shasta a couple of weeks ago. David Icke gave a 5 hr presentation on the Sunday. On the Sat.Cathy O'brian and Mark Phillips gave a 2 hr presentation. He was an FBI agent when he rescued Cathy from her enslavement. What happened over her years of incomprehensible abuse is the most abhorrent first hand witness account of mind control imaginable. One really wants to turn away it is too hard to stomach. Mark Phillips is now her partner in exposing this horror and the only reason they are not dead is that the Evil Elite involved know if they meet an untimely death evidence will be made public.
They also enslaved her young daughter and David Icke has been working theraputically with both Cathy and her daughter. This was told to the audience in Sept. at the Mt . Shasta conference, both parties acknowledged their respect and gratitude. Cathy O'Brian's books were available to buy but much can be found on the internet.
They normally kill their victims before age 35-40 because that is then these supressed memories start to emerge.
The evil filth that participated are in power NOW.
As you can imagine the Evil ones did much to try and shut them up but have so far failed , having to live in their car to survive and always looking over their shoulder.
It is a personal story of Illuminarti horror and it is true.

I was also at that conference in Mt. Shasta. After reading the book it was sure interesting to see both Mark and Cathy in person. I also spoke to Mark a bit afterwards. You say David Icke worked therapeutically with both Cathy and Kelly, but is that true? I know David have met them and is great friends with them, but I think Mark did the therapeutical work.

supersanity
07-03-2008, 04:18 PM
There was also a reference to this in a Halloween epidsode of the Simpsons. Mr Burns invited a group of people round to his home and advised them they would be taking part in "The most dangerous game". He then proceeded to send them off to the woods as he and Smithers hunted them with a shotgun!

Pretty sick when you think that it actually happens!

I'll try and find the episode on you tube!

Or maybe people can just read the (quite famous) short story this is all based on: "The Most Dangerous Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

As a natural skeptic, I've always assumed O'Brien to be delusional, but no matter if she's insane or telling the truth, something very dangerous is going on with this woman as evidenced by this video.

coshh
07-03-2008, 09:33 PM
Are her family around anywhere? Is their side of the story available?

wordman
16-03-2008, 04:14 PM
Ive just finished reading this bok and she mebtions being in Hustler...is this confirmed? I have also read Brice Taylors book Thanks For the Memories and it is eerily similiar....Brice also mentions her book she thinks Mark Phllips and Cathy are disinfo agents for the CIA/FBI....anyways does anybdy know anything about the Hustler pics?

quelyn
18-03-2008, 08:52 PM
Ive just finished reading this bok and she mebtions being in Hustler...is this confirmed? I have also read Brice Taylors book Thanks For the Memories and it is eerily similiar....Brice also mentions her book she thinks Mark Phllips and Cathy are disinfo agents for the CIA/FBI....anyways does anybdy know anything about the Hustler pics?
Cathy O'Brien has her two books: Trance Formation and Access Denied. Maybe more by now, I am not sure. I have read that these ladies were in Hustler and WORSE!!!!
Brice Taylor has her book Thanks for the Memories.
Judith Moore has another book Song of Freedom.
I have read about a Cisco Wheeler-similar story- but don't know about any books.
Then there is Arizona Wilder which is a different twist but similar depravity.
Surely, not all of these abused women can be delusional. Have a heart and a look see at the similarities in stories............NOT for the light hearted!

dolphinswink
01-07-2008, 04:26 AM
Had to do a "cathy o'brien" search to find this thread so I wouldn't be starting a new one lol

I tried to request TranceFormation at my library, online. Which is what I usually do as it saves me time.

For some reason, her book is in the database and you can request it. But when it comes time to complete the request to put it on hold (then they notify you by email when it's available for pick up at your requested branch) the column where there is a check box is blanked out. I know this b/c I requested some other unrelated books and the check boxes were clear as day.

It's after hours, so it's not something I can follow up with in person right now ... but I just found it rather interesting that it appears to be IN the database but you can't really check it out.

I've been able to check out David Icke's books and have read two of them. Still on the waiting list for his latest, Global Conspiracy. Actually, the library originally didn't have it and ordered it based on my request .. but that was two months ago and it's still in the "on hold" section of my online account.

Anyway, I would buy Cathy's books, but am on a limited income .. hence, the library route.

Has anyone else had or heard this experience, where their local library will block one's ability to actually check out her books?

On another note, I hope I am making the right choice personally in choosing to read her book. Having personally experienced sexual abuse growing up, I'm unsure of whether or not reading her book would be a healthy choice at this time for me lol On one hand, I know my limitations. On the other hand, I'm intrigued by her story and am very curious.

elena
14-03-2009, 06:25 PM
This was filmed a few years ago, very disturbing mutilation evidence
****WARNING THIS VIDEO CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES****

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7978856855951271705&q=cathy+o%27brien&total=175&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Looking forward to viewing the video

elena
14-03-2009, 06:26 PM
Looking forward to viewing interview

elena
14-03-2009, 06:29 PM
Hi there. Trying to view the Most Dangerous game. Have signed up & taken the premium membership & here I sit not able to see it.
HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP......

marpat
14-03-2009, 07:16 PM
They have tried, but the only "evidence" seems to be her books and the marks left on her body and her daughters body. Guess it is not easy to prove something like this, if so many are trying to cover it up.

Would help alot if some of the porn videos made, of her and her daughter with some of the famous people she has said was involved, turned up.

I am not sure if the story she has told is true or not, but she seems to be one of the best sources Icke has. I do not really see why she would be lying either.

People lie for many reasons. It could just be a ploy to make money out of the conspiracy market. If she was a real threat to people in power she would not be alive, just look at what happened to Dr David Kelly.

It is easy to ask why people would lie about such a thing but some people will do anything for money, fame, etc. If its true then its pretty tragic but based on what is given I personally feel that its bullshit.

lordzoma
15-03-2009, 02:58 PM
If any of you actually read Tranceformation of Amerika you wouldn't be questioning the validity of its' material.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/3297173/TranceFormation-of-America-Mark-Philips-and-Cathy-OBrien

Go. Read. Learn.

marpat
15-03-2009, 05:40 PM
If any of you actually read Tranceformation of Amerika you wouldn't be questioning the validity of its' material.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/3297173/TranceFormation-of-America-Mark-Philips-and-Cathy-OBrien

Go. Read. Learn.

And how is that? I have read Ickes books that contain her material. Was the stuff he printed not an accurate representation or something?

marpat
15-03-2009, 05:45 PM
Just looked on her webste. Amazing that they could not shut her up but she is managing to make money out of stories that have to be taken on face value.

Obviously the murderous elite must be incompetent killers if they could not stop her going public with this stuff. Or could it be that she has been allowed to print this stuff for a reason?

Its nice that she wants to expose all this evil and let us know what she went through but I find it suspect that a price is put on the information.

lordzoma
15-03-2009, 05:48 PM
Nothing is free.

If you suspect everything that costs money because it costs money you're a fool.

marpat
15-03-2009, 06:08 PM
Nothing is free.

If you suspect everything that costs money because it costs money you're a fool.

Funny because I would have thought telling a story would be free. She has got her material out into the public view via Ickes books so why does she need to sell her own stuff?

Believe her stuff if you wish to, I choose not to. We differ in our opinions. I doubt any one of us will be proven right or wrong.

deca
15-03-2009, 08:36 PM
Funny because I would have thought telling a story would be free. She has got her material out into the public view via Ickes books so why does she need to sell her own stuff?

Believe her stuff if you wish to, I choose not to. We differ in our opinions. I doubt any one of us will be proven right or wrong.

Marpat why do you have to brand Cathy as a lair and make out she is just after money?
why can`t you say her story far fetched and sounds unbelievable , surely she could of made up a more believable story if she wanted to Sell books and make money instead of tackling the content she has.


Some people are smart and get there name known and there info out quick before they can be silenced? Cathy knows her info is unbelievable probably most mind control victims stories are they know they want be believed , its only if they are Bumped or have a "accident" that people might take what they say more seriously.After a while information has a life of its own, so getting it past you keeps you alive.

marpat
15-03-2009, 10:53 PM
Marpat why do you have to brand Cathy as a lair and make out she is just after money?
why can`t you say her story far fetched and sounds unbelievable , surely she could of made up a more believable story if she wanted to Sell books and make money instead of tackling the content she has.


Some people are smart and get there name known and there info out quick before they can be silenced? Cathy knows her info is unbelievable probably most mind control victims stories are they know they want be believed , its only if they are Bumped or have a "accident" that people might take what they say more seriously.After a while information has a life of its own, so getting it past you keeps you alive.


My opinion only counts if I agree with people in here? in this forum I see people making accusation against people every day, most of them pretty vile and unjustified, yet you complain that I say she is a liar interested in money. Do you find such a reason to be far fetched? maybe you just want to believe it all because it fits in with your own world view. Tell people what they want to hear and they will pay for it.

As for my reason how about we call it gut instinct. People in here can relate to that cant they, I see people using it often when they have no answers.

I doubt your survival excuse. If she had really damaging info then the risk would be too great for her to be walking around. They could just abduct her and shove a chip in her. They could threaten her family or many other things. People on the run from potential killers do not put themselves on the internet selling books claiming to uncover all sorts of deep secrets.

Believe what you will. I give my excuse for not believing but you judge for yourself.

deca
15-03-2009, 11:21 PM
They could threaten her family or many other things.
They have here daughter caught in the mental health system Cathy, Mark, David icke and many others are trying to get here free and unite them.
ok

3 of my sisters and my mum have been fucked over in the mind fuck game
The most dangerous game so don`t even start

The other day I spoke to someone who has lost all here mates I was talken to the other day 9 in all , she does not want to know anymore and makes the best she can.

Its people like you marpat what sometimes makes me want to join the other side and round you up and push the button on the gas chamber.

lordzoma
16-03-2009, 01:58 AM
Judging someone and their book, without reading the book, is pathetic.

marpat
16-03-2009, 12:34 PM
Judging someone and their book, without reading the book, is pathetic.

But I have read her stuff in Ickes books, or at least what Icke presents of her story.

Like I said before, believe it if you will but there is no need to get rude just because I have my own opinion. I am not telling you what to believe am I?

marpat
16-03-2009, 12:41 PM
They have here daughter caught in the mental health system Cathy, Mark, David icke and many others are trying to get here free and unite them.
ok

3 of my sisters and my mum have been fucked over in the mind fuck game
The most dangerous game so don`t even start

The other day I spoke to someone who has lost all here mates I was talken to the other day 9 in all , she does not want to know anymore and makes the best she can.

Its people like you marpat what sometimes makes me want to join the other side and round you up and push the button on the gas chamber.

Get a grip will you. Perhaps you just come from a family with mental health issues, who is to say. The story you give has no background so I cant get an idea of the the fuck you are talking about.

Like I said before, believe it if you want but I choose not to. You got some problem with me having the freedom to choose what I think?

Maybe her daughter is in that place for another reason. How would you know what she is there for? you are just assuming and guessing. For all you know she might not even have a daughter, it might just be some con in order to make it appear like she is under threat.

So all these people armed with the truth and all this wonderful knowledge and power have been unable to get the girl set free. Well that invites a lot of questions in itself. Obviously incapable of using what they know to get things done. Guess the PTB do not fear them after all.

lordzoma
16-03-2009, 03:16 PM
Look you didn't read her book. All your understanding of the person comes from what someone else has written about her. That's hearsay.

If you want to comment on her story, try finding her story out in the first place, because if you ever bothered to read the book you'll find that it has tons of material evidence to back up its claims, things I am not going to bother refuting to you because you should just READ IT and THEN present an opinion.

marpat
16-03-2009, 06:57 PM
Look you didn't read her book. All your understanding of the person comes from what someone else has written about her. That's hearsay.

If you want to comment on her story, try finding her story out in the first place, because if you ever bothered to read the book you'll find that it has tons of material evidence to back up its claims, things I am not going to bother refuting to you because you should just READ IT and THEN present an opinion.

So the stuff David puts in his book is not an accurate representation?

deca
16-03-2009, 07:39 PM
Get a grip will you. Perhaps you just come from a family with mental health issues, who is to say. The story you give has no background so I cant get an idea of the the fuck you are talking about.

Like I said before, believe it if you want but I choose not to. You got some problem with me having the freedom to choose what I think?

Maybe her daughter is in that place for another reason. How would you know what she is there for? you are just assuming and guessing. For all you know she might not even have a daughter, it might just be some con in order to make it appear like she is under threat.

So all these people armed with the truth and all this wonderful knowledge and power have been unable to get the girl set free. Well that invites a lot of questions in itself. Obviously incapable of using what they know to get things done. Guess the PTB do not fear them after all.

Marpat <= shill or my ignore list now, I wasted enough time arguing with him over real issues were real people are effected suffering and dying Mobile phones , electronic harassment and mind control. This are well documented or have real sciences and evidence denial in the so called main stream.
I am lucky in one way I was not subjected to child abuse from an early age, but I have undergone and experienced a lot of what mark and Cathy expose. Once you experience things like this you know the people the same or similar you can tell by the way they act and the things that the say.
You have not even read here book or know about Trauma based mind control but you feel you can judge her ? what by your "Norm" of your life and the smilingly "norm" life portrayed on TV and in the media.

I don`t need proof , I am a victim , I am not reading about conspiracy I am in a conspiracy , If I was not going throw I am then maybe I would be think this sort of bullshite did not happen too. But I would not be giving an opinion or knock others experience when I had as little experience or research the subject that you seam to do not even reading the book .
Do you think that people will think you some sort of expert or somebody of knowledge I seen you try this on the mobile mast mind control threads claim how you work in a lab etc.....
Why do you come here?????:confused:

queenofleon
16-03-2009, 07:40 PM
MARPAT, I think what they are saying is you only have part of the story, and why would you base a decision on only part of the story?

Dont you think if you took the time to read it, you would have all the pieces of the puzzle. Something that might click for you in terms of credible evidence?

just common sense isnt it?


Cos at the moment your constant to and frowing is making you look like you purposely being antagonistic, and that just makes me think you are a TROLL!!

marpat
16-03-2009, 08:48 PM
MARPAT, I think what they are saying is you only have part of the story, and why would you base a decision on only part of the story?

Dont you think if you took the time to read it, you would have all the pieces of the puzzle. Something that might click for you in terms of credible evidence?

just common sense isnt it?


Cos at the moment your constant to and frowing is making you look like you purposely being antagonistic, and that just makes me think you are a TROLL!!


I based my opinion on what I have read about her in Ickes books. He seems to have given her story a fair amount of coverage so why do I now need to read her books? wont I be going across the same ground again?

How am I being antagonistic? I state clearly that people are fully entitled to believe what they wish and that I dont have any intention of changing their minds but people still try to take a shot.

You can call me a troll if you like. Tends to creep up when people dont like my opinions.

marpat
16-03-2009, 08:56 PM
Marpat <= shill or my ignore list now, I wasted enough time arguing with him over real issues were real people are effected suffering and dying Mobile phones , electronic harassment and mind control. This are well documented or have real sciences and evidence denial in the so called main stream.
I am lucky in one way I was not subjected to child abuse from an early age, but I have undergone and experienced a lot of what mark and Cathy expose. Once you experience things like this you know the people the same or similar you can tell by the way they act and the things that the say.
You have not even read here book or know about Trauma based mind control but you feel you can judge her ? what by your "Norm" of your life and the smilingly "norm" life portrayed on TV and in the media.

I don`t need proof , I am a victim , I am not reading about conspiracy I am in a conspiracy , If I was not going throw I am then maybe I would be think this sort of bullshite did not happen too. But I would not be giving an opinion or knock others experience when I had as little experience or research the subject that you seam to do not even reading the book .
Do you think that people will think you some sort of expert or somebody of knowledge I seen you try this on the mobile mast mind control threads claim how you work in a lab etc.....
Why do you come here?????:confused:


Actually I work in an electronics workshop not a lab as you fail to notice. Makes me a little bit more of an expert than you. All you ever do is post articles that you have found on the internet then act as if it has all been done to you. Like you say though, you dont need proof!!!

You defend cathys work because you feel it justifies your own condition, which I think is slightly suspicious anyway.

Why do I come here? to debate. Its just a pity that you seem to think the only people who should be allowed in here are those who all agree with each other, not those who ask questions and have their own opinions.

However, if you want this to turn into some negative slagging match then you can forget it.

If people think my opinion is poorly informed then I can live with that. Maybe Icke should have given her better press.

deca
17-03-2009, 07:05 AM
Actually I work in an electronics workshop not a lab as you fail to notice. Makes me a little bit more of an expert than you. All you ever do is post articles that you have found on the internet then act as if it has all been done to you. Like you say though, you dont need proof!!!

marpart I have complete thread with videos , readings , my own story plus several other mind control victims,
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617
I post news articles to bridge the gap or show how this contry is moving to a high tech big brother surveillance society.
The tech I am under is way advance to what you work on dude.

what do you know about pulsed microwaves and voice to skull technology?
Don`t say its impossible because its not

Microwave auditory effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how much mind control electronic harassment research have you done? what books and videos have you watched?

How many victims of mind control have you meet?

so you are a electronic technician ? have you read the body electric?

hows does a tens machine work?

what about Dual Action Mouse and Rat Repeller Combines ultrasonic and electromagnetic technology to drive mice and rats from your home?.

Have you done your body voltage reading and can you post it?

what is the Hum The Hum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am also a member of several mind control and electronic groups/forum and talk and meet up with people all around the world.

Yet you claim you are an "expert again" in mind control because you are a electronic technician???? like you did with mobile mast??? not people that have study and experience things.
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/
http://www.tetrawatch.net/main/index.php

how many police have you talked about their tetra system ?I have ask a few and found out a lot?

What type of electronics do you work on ?

Do you work within the military complex on state of the art equipment?
They are at least 20 years ahead of what you get to play with.



oh i forgot to mention I live near this place
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1162050/Pictured-The-75m-lightning-conductor-testing-Eurofighters-mettle.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/14/article-1162050-03E6BB2C000005DC-726_634x503.jpg
Pictured: The £75m lightning conductor that is testing the Eurofighter's mettle

By Rob Waugh
Last updated at 2:02 AM on 15th March 2009

* Comments (-)
* Add to My Stories


How does the RAF ensure its new Eurofighters can survive a direct lightning strike and stay intact while doing Mach 2 at 65,000ft? By zapping one with 200,000 amps at a top-secret bunker in Lancashire.
Eurofighter test facility

Test target: The Eurofighter stands in position at the underground facility

The lead-lined walls (1) of the Electronic Warfare Testing Facility in Warton, Lancashire, are covered in treated foam-rubber cones to prevent electromagnetic radiation leaking out - or in. This facility is one of dozens used to test the Eurofighter.

The tests carried out using these mobile generators (2) ensure the plane can withstand electromagnetic pulses from nuclear weapons. A short, sharp burst of electricity of up to 200,000 amps simulates a lightning strike.

Commercial aircraft are also tested against lightning - but since the Eurofighter can fly twice as fast and 50 per cent higher than a Boeing 747, its lightning tests are far harsher.

The Eurofighter is largely made of carbon-fibre composites to keep it light. Special conduction channels throughout the aircraft (3) carry the current of a lightning strike to earth without damaging systems or accidentally rebooting the plane's computers.

In order that the fighter's electronic warfare systems can be tested in electronic 'silence', the isolated chamber is shielded against everything from radio to microwaves. Jets such as the Eurofighter carry so many sensors that they can also double as spy planes on the modern battlefield.

Electromagnetic pulse emitters (4) can be placed anywhere in the chamber - and the floor rotated - to simulate various surface-to-air missile attacks. The shielded space enables engineers to measure the Eurofighter's response - first, its sensors 'listen' for enemy radars, then the pilot can detect and track incoming threats, and deploy chaff, electronic rays or a decoy behind the plane.
Eurofighter test rig

what is that you work on ? washing machines ? hovers?


Oh forgot I have a couple of quantification in computer studies and programming plus 15 years of running Bars and have certificates to became a licensee to sell alcohol, plus I have have two jobs at the moment own property and newly divorced with a beautiful daughter, So your Mental illness does not stick on me .Also I have worked in a few industries and can call myself "technician" of the many skills I have master over the years.

marpat
17-03-2009, 12:09 PM
marpart I have complete thread with videos , readings , my own story plus several other mind control victims,
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617
I post news articles to bridge the gap or show how this contry is moving to a high tech big brother surveillance society.
The tech I am under is way advance to what you work on dude.

what do you know about pulsed microwaves and voice to skull technology?
Don`t say its impossible because its not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

how much mind control electronic harassment research have you done? what books and videos have you watched?

How many victims of mind control have you meet?

so you are a electronic technician ? have you read the body electric?

hows does a tens machine work?

what about Dual Action Mouse and Rat Repeller Combines ultrasonic and electromagnetic technology to drive mice and rats from your home?.

Have you done your body voltage reading and can you post it?

what is the Hum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hum

I am also a member of several mind control and electronic groups/forum and talk and meet up with people all around the world.

Yet you claim you are an "expert again" in mind control because you are a electronic technician???? like you did with mobile mast??? not people that have study and experience things.
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/
http://www.tetrawatch.net/main/index.php

how many police have you talked about their tetra system ?I have ask a few and found out a lot?

What type of electronics do you work on ?

Do you work within the military complex on state of the art equipment?
They are at least 20 years ahead of what you get to play with.



oh i forgot to mention I live near this place
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1162050/Pictured-The-75m-lightning-conductor-testing-Eurofighters-mettle.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/14/article-1162050-03E6BB2C000005DC-726_634x503.jpg


what is that you work on ? washing machines ? hovers?


Oh forgot I have a couple of quantification in computer studies and programming plus 15 years of running Bars and have certificates to became a licensee to sell alcohol, plus I have have two jobs at the moment own property and newly divorced with a beautiful daughter, So your Mental illness does not stick on me .Also I have worked in a few industries and can call myself "technician" of the many skills I have master over the years.

Guess I am not on your ignore list after all.

I thought you admitted to spending time in a psychiatric ward in the past?

I have worked on various things such as trasnmitters and radars. I am actually doing a course at the moment and have more in the near future. My trade training covered quite a lot more though such as telecomms, electrical theory, radio principles, wave propogation, etc. I have actually covered all of this in the past with yourself and others.

You must have a very short memory or something. Did we not cover this before, my body voltage reading was around 1200mV.

Its nice to see you have got some sort of a life anyway. I was not trying to condemn you as some outcast from society you know.

I have never called myself an expert in this forum although because I have some knowledge and experience I am more of an expert than many. People go on about what HAARP can do and most of them dont even know what Ohms law is.

What does suprise me though is that all of this information is free to people who it would be used against. Now if I wanted to control people via such methods I would not allow information out onto the internet that describes exactly how it works.

I dont know anybody who claims to be a victim of such harrassment and you are not really winning me over to your cause, but we have discussed this before!!!

Anyway, we are talking off subject here.

deca
17-03-2009, 07:36 PM
What does suprise me though is that all of this information is free to people who it would be used against. Now if I wanted to control people via such methods I would not allow information out onto the internet that describes exactly how it works.

I was so full of fear that I was scared to even type mind control into google for over 2 years, if I wrote anything down I had to destroy it all they would not let me sleep and threaten if I did not i would not wake up in the morning.
The guardian article on mind reading I came across gave my the thought that maybe this would not be so far fetched and I had a chance to proving this.
I did admit this to my Doctor but I was warned not to and they hit me hard and I ended up wondering A&E not knowing what was going on.
I am free of the mental health its been a hard 3 odd years, I don`t take any medicine thank god, the last time I was on them (they lower your ability to think) I caused some damage smashed a car assaulted guy punched him for no reason and would of tried to attack the copper interviewing me if they wanted me to do or if he moved in an aggressive manor towards me (I was in the belief I had some type of brain chip but mine was more powerful than the coppers , but he would rip it out of my head if I gave him a chance, I would have to defend myself) nice.I also get my nevious system stimulated so I was getting power surges running around my body dam I felt strong and indestructibly.
I am wiser now and know not to get myself into stupid situations and also violence does not benefit me but makes it easier for them to lock me up, I need to have some control in my environment.
I get electronically harassed more if I post (conditioning) they put me of doing anything I enjoy or is a benefit to me , after a while you can`t be arsed doing stuff.
They bugger me up at work , try to get me sacked or walk out, It got bad some times they while gave me stimulated heart attacks as say leave or we will kill you, I ended up after several one night with my phone in my hand with 999 ready saying you will have to drop me.
You have no idea what I go throw, I don`t mention the synchronicity,The strange "mental experiences " religious,trauma,Alien,grandiose etc... The strange thoughts & assumptions they exploit,play into and expand and try to make me believe.
I also don`t explain the full capability's the synthetic telepathy , audio, images the mind reading control , body manipulation , HUD, Real time ect..... as you would not believe it.Alot of you on here struggle with the MKultra physical "mind control" child abuse,drugs,speakers under the pillow that was stopped in 1977 !!!!!!! The methods are similar but its delivered differently remotely via pulsed microwaves ect.....That way they have complete pulsable dieinalability and the victim is defenseless and if he/she seeks help or talks about this is classed as mentally ill great.Remember I am not on my own here there a thousands of people that are experience this all around the world.
Anyway Mister Radar man what do you know about CELLDAR and you should know that this is deployed to me via adapted throw the wall adapted RADAR
http://docs.google.com/View?docID=dc64d9q2_0fc6mf8g8&revision=_latest&hgd=1
Ron freeman other TI in the US manged to take the government to court and got this Document realized after being ran over a few times and his live ruined and at one point sleeping under a bridge , You have no idea what us TI`s go throw.

gaias child
23-02-2010, 03:20 PM
I don't believe these people. Brice Taylor, Cathy O brien, Arizona Wilder, it has been bugging me for a while what is it is about the mk ultra poster girls. . I believe in Mk ultra mind control and the real victims who gave their testimonies in 1995 disappeared and are dead.

tptb knew they could not stop the mkultra info coming out so they put their own people in to mix in some poison in amongst the truth, and to deflect from the real mk ultra victims. They have become the mk ultra poster girls

Another interesting thing, the real victims were left unable to have children, and a woman I met who was raped as a 3 year old was unable to have children her insides were damaged yet Brice Taylor and Cathy O brien claim they were raped and tortured in the worst manner imaginable from baby hood, but they were not left damaged, inside, this is impossible. The other weird thing is they seem too well functioning for people who suffered this type of torture and if your programming broke down as they claim they would have gone into severe traumatised states. I think it is also strange that brice and cathy have severely mentally ill non functioning traumatised daughters in psychiatric institutions whereas brice and cathy were not left traumatised in the same way. They seem very well functioning to me, I was abused as a child and I'm not as well functioning. As a result I've got a hypervigilant 6th sense to this stuff They seem credible, and may be under mind control but the clues are there.

here are some mk ultra mind control testimonies from victims

MKULTRA Victim Testimony A: - YouTube


MKULTRA Victim Testimony B: - YouTube


MKULTRA Victim Testimony C: - YouTube

realy
04-03-2010, 05:09 AM
you just might be right gaias child.

"The cryptocracy is designed to function like a machine.
It also has the feelings of a machine—none at all. But, unlike
a machine, it does have ambition. To it, human beings
are so much cheap hardware who perform certain set functions
which produce certain predetermined results. They
are valued relative to cost and efficiency. The cryptocracy
is the perfect cybernetic organism—pure logic at the planning
level—nothing but automatic response in the field.
If a prospective agent cannot be recruited by an appeal
to patriotism, he is bribed. If he cannot be bribed, he is
blackmailed. If he refuses to be blackmailed, he is "programmed."
If all these fail, he is killed, for it must not be
known that he had ever been approached—so important is
"national security."
It is sometimes hard to determine whether the cryptocracy
is working for or against the interests of the U.S.
President, to whom its constituent agencies are supposed to
be accountable. Many of its crimes, now a matter of public
record, would indicate that it has often worked against, the
President. It has, we know, worked against the U.S. Constitution
and the American people. It has needlessly caused
the death of innocent people who were working for it, just
as it has tortured and murdered those who have stood in its
way. Documented atrocities and criminal blunders have
been revealed by congressional investigations, yet no one
has been brought to trial.* Little congressional, judicial, or
executive action has been taken to limit its power or ferret
out its leaders. Figureheads have been changed, but the organization
and the National Security Act which has bred this
cancer remains in essence unchanged.
The cryptocracy serves big business and spends a good
deal of time and energy supplying American corporations
with industrial intelligence. These favors, offered only to
those companies friendly to the cryptocracy, may be repaid
by such things as political campaign contributions to candidates
who are either sympathetic to or compromised by the
cryptocracy. In the past the cryptocracy has supported
both foreign and domestic politicians with such campaign
contributions.
The "old boy network" of retired cryptocrats working
within major corporations plays an important role in the
cryptocracy's international influence. Secret funds are
shunted not only from one agency of government to another,
but also from agency to corporation and then, under
cover of the corporation's legal business activities, throughout
the world, wherever expediency dictates.
Through its authorized functions, the cryptocracy controls
the United States government. It feeds the executive
branch "intelligence reports" which are often slanted and
sometimes falsified, so that the policy decisions which result
will be those which fit the cryptocracy's game plan.
Like a fifteenth century Machiavellian princedom that
has been computerized and automated, the cryptocracy has
systematically manipulated the American consciousness.
By justifying its existence by citing an exaggerated danger
from communism, it has justified its own totalitarianism by
convincing key politicians that fire must be fought with
fire. The practices of the cryptocracy, once officially sanctioned
only in operations outside the U.S., have become
internalized. Those practices have included spying, stealing,
blackmail, and murder, even within the borders of the
country it is supposed to protect and defend.
There is nothing hypocritical about the KGB's employ-
* Since the completion of this book, former CIA Director Richard
Helms was given a two-year suspended sentence and fined $2,000
for lying to the United States Congress about the CIA's involvement
in the overthrow of Chile's Allende government.
Operation Mind Control 147
ment of totalitarian, police-state tactics. The Soviet equivalent
of the CIA, the KGB, is an extension of the Soviet
political system, which is totalitarian. Neither is there anything
hypocritical about the Chinese use of "brainwashing"
on American POWs in Korea. The Chinese have "brainwashed"
three and a half million of their own people,
though generally they used techniques less drastic than
starvation, sleep interruption, and isolation. But the U.S.
cryptocracy is the ultimate hypocrisy, subversive to its
own government's democratic structure. It operates with
methods which are not permitted in most democracies and
certainly not permitted by the Constitution of the United
States.
In war, a successful campaign greatly depends upon the
element of surprise. Since the beginning of human disputes,
warriors have found it desirable to keep their strengths and
weaknesses concealed.
The use of new technology has been both the strength
and the surprise which so often has determined the outcome
of war. The first elephant to be outfitted with spikes
and used in battle was as great a terror to the bow-andarrow
warrior as the atomic bomb was to the Japanese.
The cryptocracy has long known that the only way it can
maintain the upper hand in the global power game is to
stay in the vanguard of technology. To that end it has employed
all the research and development the federal government
can buy.
Since World War II the cryptocracy has used electronic
technology to manipulate foreign peoples as well as the
American people through a campaign of carefully planned
Misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda. The cryptocracy's
existence depends upon such manipulation of
Public belief. Since it cannot openly argue its cause, it relies
upon persuasion and indoctrination to accomplish its goals
and win support for its ends.
The existence of the cryptocracy also depends upon absolute
secrecy. Without it they are powerless. Thus the
cryptocracy's attempt to control information at its source—
the human mind.
It was the CIA which instigated and directed the initial
research, and with an invisible hand, kept each group of
scientists isolated from the other. Each group researching
mind control was kept apart from other groups conducting
simultaneous interfacing experiments, so that no one except
the Agency would be able to put all the pieces of the puzzle
together.
Bases for mind-control techniques already existed in scientific
literature, but in a fragmented, incomplete, and unassimilated
state. The cryptocracy enlisted the aid of scientists
who then developed these fragments into usable
techniques. These scientists worked independently, each on
only one small part of the overall plan. And, by and large,
they were ignorant of the intended use of the final product
of their research.
Operation Mind Control was not the plan of a mere cult
of intelligence; it did not stop at intelligence gathering, but
went on to instigate active operations on its own. Those
conspiracies against freedom which were revealed by the
investigations into Watergate, the intelligence community,
and multinational corporations are minor compared to the
conspiracy of mind control which has developed in this
country. Although the first victims of Operation Mind Control
were, perhaps, especially suitable personality types for
such use, with the advances being made in the psychosciences
all but a few of us may eventually be victimized.
The power of mind control resides in its use as a superior
security technique; as such it is almost as foolproof as
that employed by the great Pharaoh of Egypt, who, entombed
with the slaves who carried him to his final resting
place, had those same slaves killed and buried along with
him so that all knowledge of access to the tomb would remain
secure for centuries. Mind control arranges that
"slaves" of the intelligence community—witnesses, couriers,
and assassins—are "protected" from their own memories
and guilt by amnesia. These "slaves" may be left alive,
but the knowledge they possess is buried deep within the
tombs of their own minds by techniques which can keep
the truth hidden even from those who have witnessed it. It
is the ultimate debriefing, the final security measure short
of assassination.
The conspiracy of mind control veils the secret of all
secrets. It hides the cabal which possesses its power, so
that, even if the CIA and the other intelligence agencies
were closed down tomorrow, the cryptocracy would continue
to function, for as with the Mafia, "once you are a
member, you're a member for life." The power of mind
control, and ultimately of the cryptocracy that uses it, resides
with those who have culled the fruits of psychoscience
since the late 1930s; they now possess the mature
body of knowledge upon which the coercive art is built.
To review the labyrinth of events: Out of the natural fear
of technology grew an unnatural reliance on secrecy. Secrecy
led to covert control and produced a well-organized
institution of national security. Institutionalized secrecy directed
covert research and produced Operation Mind Control,
the ultimate technology of secrecy and control."
`Walter Bowart_Operation Mind Control 1978

seems like Walter was also a victim of the "cryptocracy". so much bloods is on the hands of the ptb, there will be no forgiveness till all the crimes are paid for tenfold (says who? says me and the gods), now think about that.

trevvytrev23
04-03-2010, 02:58 PM
I don't believe these people. Brice Taylor, Cathy O brien, Arizona Wilder, it has been bugging me for a while what is it is about the mk ultra poster girls. . I believe in Mk ultra mind control and the real victims who gave their testimonies in 1995 disappeared and are dead.

tptb knew they could not stop the mkultra info coming out so they put their own people in to mix in some poison in amongst the truth, and to deflect from the real mk ultra victims. They have become the mk ultra poster girls

Another interesting thing, the real victims were left unable to have children, and a woman I met who was raped as a 3 year old was unable to have children her insides were damaged yet Brice Taylor and Cathy O brien claim they were raped and tortured in the worst manner imaginable from baby hood, but they were not left damaged, inside, this is impossible. The other weird thing is they seem too well functioning for people who suffered this type of torture and if your programming broke down as they claim they would have gone into severe traumatised states. I think it is also strange that brice and cathy have severely mentally ill non functioning traumatised daughters in psychiatric institutions whereas brice and cathy were not left traumatised in the same way. They seem very well functioning to me, I was abused as a child and I'm not as well functioning. As a result I've got a hypervigilant 6th sense to this stuff They seem credible, and may be under mind control but the clues are there.

here are some mk ultra mind control testimonies from victims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iflBkRlpRy0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXDASDDrDkM&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ES8Bv0_8w&feature=related

Wow, real eye-opener. Thanks for posting

cabosun
23-10-2010, 10:26 PM
Funny because I would have thought telling a story would be free. She has got her material out into the public view via Ickes books so why does she need to sell her own stuff?

Believe her stuff if you wish to, I choose not to. We differ in our opinions. I doubt any one of us will be proven right or wrong.

I happen to believe it because I grew up in Muskegon(Norton Shores) and I attended St. Francis De Sales and Muskegon catholic Central with her. I also personally witnessed Gerald Ford making many visits to our town, along with Guy V. and to our school, and I have the pictures to prove it! There were alot of strange things taking place in my town and none of which I am willing t discuss on this forum.
Her father, Earl, passed last year and our local newspaper made him out to be some kind of a saint for spending so many years volunteering for childrens sporting events. I also had the opportunity to see his home in Grand Haven, Mi...all bought and paid for with the money he used by selling his daughter off to our gov't!
My last contact with her was almost seven years ago after I had posted a quote out of her book, Tranceformation of America. "Dick Cheney And The Most dangerous Game". That quote from that chapter led to the Secret Service visiting me. They tried to intimidate me and shame me and interviewed me. They told me it was" not very nice of me to post such a thing about Dick Cheney". I made contact with Cathy and she assured me that everythhig would be ok and that the truth and love are all that matter. After all of this, I can't help but wonder if this is still going on here...if these children and young adults are still being programmed and attending this church and school. I woud liket make contact with her again, just not by email. I don't trust our gov't at all!

mountain
23-10-2010, 10:49 PM
I happen to believe it because I grew up in Muskegon(Norton Shores) and I attended St. Francis De Sales and Muskegon catholic Central with her. I also personally witnessed Gerald Ford making many visits to our town, along with Guy V. and to our school, and I have the pictures to prove it! There were alot of strange things taking place in my town and none of which I am willing t discuss on this forum.
Her father, Earl, passed last year and our local newspaper made him out to be some kind of a saint for spending so many years volunteering for childrens sporting events. I also had the opportunity to see his home in Grand Haven, Mi...all bought and paid for with the money he used by selling his daughter off to our gov't!
My last contact with her was almost seven years ago after I had posted a quote out of her book, Tranceformation of America. "Dick Cheney And The Most dangerous Game". That quote from that chapter led to the Secret Service visiting me. They tried to intimidate me and shame me and interviewed me. They told me it was" not very nice of me to post such a thing about Dick Cheney". I made contact with Cathy and she assured me that everythhig would be ok and that the truth and love are all that matter. After all of this, I can't help but wonder if this is still going on here...if these children and young adults are still being programmed and attending this church and school. I woud liket make contact with her again, just not by email. I don't trust our gov't at all!

I have often wondered the same about the schools she went to.

Have a look at the comments about her 'husband' Alex Houston..


Frego (amateur ventriloquist) on August 27th, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
Hi,

I am building a collection of DVDs from ventriloquists all over the world. You can see the 100 first pieces on my site.

I would like to get Alex Houston and Elmer’s DVD or VHS. I usually pay international orders by PayPal. Can you tell me how I can order this DVD and how much I should pay for shipping to Belgium?
I thank you for your reply.

Frego (& Folio)
c/o Jean-Luc GEOFFROY
rue de Jehonville, 18
B-6890 OCHAMPS
(Belgium)

William on October 11th, 2008 @ 12:39 am
Elmer! My God, that’s my lil’a wooden boy!

lenny bruce on November 26th, 2008 @ 3:10 am
do you realize who this is? this is the criminal who mind-controlled Cathy O’Brien in the MK-ULTRA program for her owner Senator Byrd!!! Really!

Joseph Smith on December 10th, 2008 @ 8:40 pm
Warning: This guy is an alleged child abuser involved with Cathy O’brian and her daughter Kelly. He belongs behind bars!

hcrink on December 10th, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
Alex or Elmer?

Laura Houston on January 24th, 2009 @ 7:20 pm
You guys are CRAZY! This is my Uncle and he is the sweetest most wonderful person I know. You are SICK for spreading such HORRIBLE rumors.

Get a life.

dick cheney on January 25th, 2009 @ 7:28 pm
sorry to tell you Laura, but joseph smith is right. You must resd the book Trance Formed America, by Cathy Obrien, or just google it.

dick cheney on January 25th, 2009 @ 7:34 pm
Excuse me , thats Trance-Formation of America

pab on February 15th, 2009 @ 10:37 pm
Hi Laura,

Were you around Alex much? It seems you might be able to disprove or verify Cathy’s claims if you were around Alex during the timeframes Cathy mentions.

Thanks

Shez on March 22nd, 2009 @ 9:10 pm
Hello Americans, I am glad some of you are on to this guy, and hopefully others. The book TRANS formation of America is a must read, this guy is a mind controller and drug runner, not to mention pedophile. Laura, no one is going to publish this stuff if it isn’t true, people get sued. To this date no one has challenged the claims in this book. I wonder why? Also, why has there been no action taken against these guys, answer – it pays to have friends in HIGH places.

gurney on March 24th, 2009 @ 7:23 am
Poor Cathy O’Brien was forced to perform fellatio as a baby! George Bush raped her when she was three! She was Gerald Ford’s personal child prostitute! It’s all true!

Sabrina on June 11th, 2009 @ 2:47 pm
I’m an American now living in Germany. My neighbor felt I should know more about how my country does business. He lent me two books. I read them both. Surely, the US Government can and would/is and does do these very acts of evil. Cathy has lived her whole life being abused and now she’s learning that there is a number of growing supporters who, when they learn her story will love her. Not everyone is evil, don’t give up on humanity. So, this book is in Germany. If I know my neighbor pretty good he probably has told a lot of people about her already. Hilary Clinton is named in the book too. They’re all eee git! Hollywood too. All of it. Just plain nasty people. Boycott it and live naturally is probably some good old fashioned advice.

Dagmar Schubert on October 29th, 2009 @ 7:25 am
Liebe Sabrina,

würdest Du Dich bitte mit mir in Verbindung setzen.

Meine Email-Adresse: lernstudio-dagmar-schubert@hotmail.de

gracie medina on February 24th, 2010 @ 10:46 am
You people are as crazy as the grazy person herself Cathy she was one big nut her and Mark Phillips belong behind bars not Alex houston.They both are crazy and need to be put away I knew her and George Bush would never have look at that trash twice and one else in there right mind. Alex has allways been a decent person with good morale values.

Jennie Isaacs on March 12th, 2010 @ 4:14 pm
Unbelievable that people are so gullible.

I know Alex, Cathy and Mark personally, and have for years. Alex is a good Christian man who got mixed up with a nutcase like Cathy, who has been brain washed by Mark, NOT Alex. And yes, I’ve read their books (sheerly for the laugh factor) and truly, really……do you people believe that???!!!

I would be embarassed to admit I bought into that science fiction. I bet y’all believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too, don’t you?

You should be ashamed for listening to this shite, and smearing a good man like Alex’s name.

Jennie Isaacs on March 12th, 2010 @ 4:16 pm
and Shez, what do you mean they wouldn’t publish the book if it weren’t true?? You REALLY are gullible, aren’t you?

You should buy some stock in the National Enquirer, idiot.

Gene Husky on April 10th, 2010 @ 10:07 pm
Alex I have lost contact with you.I don’t have your e-mail address.I sure miss my best buddies.Contact me–genehusky@gmail.com

Gene Husky on April 10th, 2010 @ 10:19 pm
I hope these post are not refurring to Alex Houston!I have had the pleasure of knowing him for a number of years.Stayed at his home many times.Worked a few shows with him.I will tell you this..He is probable one of the nicest strait forward and honest persons I know.Not to mention a super talent and a gift to the industry…Gene Husky

josh schell on June 22nd, 2010 @ 6:00 pm
Why don’t you skeptics try investigating the claims by Cathy O’Brien? She lists a plethera of names. Try to contact any one of them and ask about what she is claiming and you always get the same answer, “Access denied for reasons of National security.”,( Also the name of her second book.) followed by a click from them hanging up the phone. Who’s National security? Not mine or yours. I understand your bias. It’s not like he’s going to admit to the atrocities he has commited, but do the leg work and find out for yourself.

burn in hell on July 7th, 2010 @ 6:52 pm
Houston, I wish you to burn in hell forever!

eyeinthesky on July 12th, 2010 @ 7:12 pm
Im laughing at some of the posts. ‘he’s my uncle, he’s such a nice guy’ ‘i’ve known Alex and Cathy and Mark,…Mark brainwashed her’…LOL!!! The thing is, EVERYTHING was recorded!!!! Every single event. Some have had the privilege of being allowed to ‘view’ what happened, but it’s all a delicately TIMEd process. More and more people will become contacted by the real eye in the sky and in the blink of an eye they will be shown. The ‘pawns’ first, then some select few in power that are resistors of the Order. Then they will panic and set their plan in motion, nations will catch colds, much violence will break out, many will die, but too many will know, too many will have been shown ‘triggering’ everything they have been trying to suppress in you, then the real Order will start to ensue. The ‘pawns’ are now the ones sacrificing Knights and Bishops instead of the other way around. Suddenly the game changes, a new set of rules, besides the original game was nothing but a set of standards humans all got used to, nothing is REAL…YOU MAKE IT REAL. IF YOU DECIDE HEALTHY CHEMICAL FREE FOOD IS THE ONLY THING YOU WANT TO EAT, THEN MAKE IT SO. NO MATTER WHAT. IF YOU DECIDE YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE A MONETARY SYSTEM THEN YOU DON’T. MONEY IS A PIECE OF PAPER. THE ONLY VALUE IT GIVES YOU IS BEING ABLE TO BUY THINGS. IMAGINE IF THE WORLD JUST CONTINUED, PEOPLE STILL WENT TO WORK TO MAKE THIS WORLD FUNCTION, BUT INSTEAD OF WORKING FOR MONEY YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE SAKE OF HELPING. BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY. IF YOU NEED SOMETHING, YOU GO INTO THE STORE AND GET IT LIKE YOU WOULD BEFORE. IF SOMEONE NEEDS SOMETHING FROM WHERE YOU WORK YOU PROVIDE THAT SERVICE KNOWING FULL WELL THAT YOU WILL GET THE EXACT SERVICE YOU NEED WHEN YOU GO OUT TOO. Nobody would be better than anyone else, nobody would have to live in poverty. If you build houses for a living then provide that service like you would now only knowing you are doing it for YOURSELF, not working for someone else, you are doing it happily because you are not getting underpaid for your hard work. You don’t have to work 12 hour days. And when you get off work and need groceries, you can walk into the grocery store and get your food off the shelf, take it up to the cashier but instead of ringing it thru to charge you, they just bag it up and out you go. And that’s how life is. You don’t need money the way you have it now. it is NOT necessary. It was only a means for the greedy people to have something others did not. Things have to go in order, but they are give or take a glitch and a tweak here and there. They will be exposed everyone, just WAIT.

hourglasswatcher on July 12th, 2010 @ 9:29 pm
The only thing that is important is that this and other stories get out for the people to read. People that were around that whole time don’t even believe it, not really. Argue about it, but do some legitimate research before you say it didn’t happen. This is not a precedent case here, there are others, scared to death and rightly so, but there are many others. Our bodies are changing, the frequency of the globe is changing, there are mysteries to the human mind and body that even they don’t know, and they know a lot. The energies and forces and other things happening with the Earth is starting to affect people, this is grass roots one with nature stuff that just happens when certain things line up, more people are awakened to what is really going on out there, with government, military, churches, banks, etc. Too many things are happening to too many in the spotlight people, too many ways to video now, most IS being caught on tape i believe in some capacity.Things will come to light, i believe that, and also that there is much that the elite etc have NO idea about. They do control things yes, some things, some people. Here. And they are the ones that are not even going to matter soon enough. There are other beings here absolutely and much is being shared with people here, the fight is on and it has started. For every person that see’s the light it’s one more body that can join in the kind of enegy we need POURING into the atmosphere around us. What comes out of us as energy -dark or light- truly does matter, and it does change the course of things,believe that.

Kat on July 30th, 2010 @ 6:34 am
You guys read too much science fiction. I knew Alex for years and I don’t believe a word of the above.

Becky on October 11th, 2010 @ 6:49 pm
This is the biggest bunch of BS that I have ever hears. I know Alex personally, and he is a decent, christian man. Have you read this book? Cathy O’Brien is a NUT! According to her, she was abused by President Gerald Ford, President Bush, Hillary AND Bill Clinton, Lamar Alexander and the list goes on and on. She is a bitter ex wife of Alex Houston and she can’t stand it that he has done well for himself and has a lovely, decent wife, NOT a hag like she is.

Becky on October 11th, 2010 @ 6:55 pm
Are you people retarded or what? Alex Houston, who I know personally, is the nicest,sincerest man that you would ever want to meet. He is a Christian who loves the Lord. Yes, he used to dabble in hypnosis, but gave that up long ago when he realized that is not of the Lord.

Cathy O’Brien is a sick, bitter ex wife of his. She lies and if you even read an exerpt of her book, she blames everyone that you ever heard of, of abusing her. According to her, Bill and Hillary Clinton sexually abused her, she was Gerald Ford’s personal sex slave..(that one is hilarious), she was abused by Lamar Alexander, and only God knows how many country music entertainers she has accused! These people don’t give her the time of day, she is nothing but a big JOKE. She is a bitter ex wife of Alex Houston’s and she is obviously a sicko. ANYONE who knows Alex, knows that he is a gentl man of integrity that wouldn’t hurt a fly, much less a child or her. His only mistake was marrying the skag! Live and Learn!

Becky on October 11th, 2010 @ 7:00 pm
What is wrong with you people? I know Alex personally, and he is one of the nicest people I know. I am shocked by the accusations of this nut case! He is sickened by her, but ignores her as she is sick herself.
If you believe that this one nobody was Gerald Ford’s “sex slave” (that really cracks me up), sexually abused by Bill AND Hillary Clinton, Lamar Alexander and numerous country music stars, then perhaps YOU need to get a life. This crazy woman and her husband are making $$ by selling this crap to stupid people who believe everything they hear. And just like a previous poster said, go buy a National Enquirer and read how aliens abducted and impregnated your high school teacher.
Cathy O’brien is a sick, bitter ex wife to Alex Houston that can’t stand it that he has done well for himself and has a beautiful Christian wife.

http://waxidermy.com/alex-houston-and-elmer-nashvilles-best/

Anyway, I believe her...

deca
24-10-2010, 03:15 AM
bet all these Christians thought them pedo priest to be nice people too :rolleyes:

pedos don't all look like this ..how many pedos turn out to be authority figures working with kids and seemly have a respectable public image ?
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/sexman.jpg

verymary
24-10-2010, 04:56 AM
The way one person put it a while back: "You don't want to be believe it's true, but you know it is".

slice1
27-11-2010, 08:52 AM
Read her book "Trance-Formation" back in '98,till this day dont kno whether to believe it or not..I would like to know if her family members are still around.Has anyone tried to verify her story by asking family members and ppl. she named in her book? Has D. Icke tried? Is there any update on how her daughter Kelly is doing? Is Alex Houston still around doing his ventriloquist schtick?

elpressiedente
27-11-2010, 09:13 AM
marpat is dumbed down.... he knows he's dumbed down... he ejoys telling everyone he's dumbed down.

its important he doesnt believe anything he hasnt personally seen. and if anyone is making money out of it it must be a scam...

shills and trolls reject the most damming evidence of this evil world.

such is the logic of a very modern major dumbed down general

ragnarok
27-11-2010, 09:38 AM
If any of you actually read Tranceformation of Amerika you wouldn't be questioning the validity of its' material.

Oh, there's no doubt I would, because that's the way I roll. Does the woman have any other reliable source of income, besides that she gets from telling her tales of truth?

lauren_almighty
27-11-2010, 05:43 PM
This is my opinion from the videos I have seen where she talks about her experiences.

The woman doesn't seem genuine. When she recalls events she doesn't act like they affect her emotionally. It is like she is reading from a script.

deca
27-11-2010, 09:46 PM
i think anyone that has been though as much trauma based mind control would not afford or get emotional about things and would appear cold and appear to be talking from a script

they used to abuse kids then give them a pet and when the kid got emotional attached to it , kill it in front off them, after that you learn not to get emotional attached to things.

mycharona
27-11-2010, 09:51 PM
O'Brien's book is one of the most important exposes ever written.

It is possible to confirm things she's written about, such as architectural details that no one else would be privy to unless they had been there.

There is also photographic evidence of anatomical details, such as those concerning specific politicians, Cheney being one of them. I'd rather not go into details.

Third, if Cathy O' Brien's reports are true, then it blows open a portal to understanding the multiple dimensional reality that so many speak of, including David Icke.

jp13
27-11-2010, 09:56 PM
Well I've just downloaded it of scribd.com not as easy as it used to be, no you have to upload a book or two, anyway now I can read it and see what it 'feel's' like. Subjects like this do seem far fetched, but if I tried to explain everything that has happened to me even in 5 sense world, it would be unbelievable and I suspect it would be like that for most people, unless you treat your life like a C.V. for prospective employers, and try to stick to 'hard facts'.:rolleyes:

deca
27-11-2010, 10:00 PM
The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it....Nazi Angel of Death Josef Mengele

remmber they do insane unbelievable stuff to mind control victims a) to total fuck them up B) make them appear crazy delusional when the try to expose it
also probadly the in build disinformation into them

this is very good and anybody intrested in mind control should watch it.


'Human Resources explores the rise of mechanistic philosphy and the
exploitation of human beings under modern hierarhical systems. Topics
covered include behaviorism, scientific management, work-place
democracy, schooling, frustration-aggression hypothesis and human
experimentation.'

http://www.openfilm.com/videos/human-resources



remember this is hard for people who are caught woundring around in the fairground that is so called given norm is...consuming popcorn and being entertained but peel back and see whats going on behind the scenes its and total cess pit freak/horror show

purplepebble
27-11-2010, 10:05 PM
i think anyone that has been though as much trauma based mind control would not afford or get emotional about things and would appear cold and appear to be talking from a script

they used to abuse kids then give them a pet and when the kid got emotional attached to it , kill it in front off them, after that you learn not to get emotional attached to things.

That is true, there is also the fact that if you do get emotional about the experience, it causes recapitulation, putting you back to the original trauma, the emotions it caused at the time etc... which is not a good thing.

lauren_almighty
27-11-2010, 10:21 PM
i think anyone that has been though as much trauma based mind control would not afford or get emotional about things and would appear cold and appear to be talking from a script

they used to abuse kids then give them a pet and when the kid got emotional attached to it , kill it in front off them, after that you learn not to get emotional attached to things.

I've had my own bad experiences and still get emotional to this day when I remember the bad things. I just find it odd that somebody who went through such horrific stuff doesn't react at all.

She could be telling the truth but I just get a feeling that I shouldn't trust what she says so easily. Sorry but that's my opinion.

crystalline
27-11-2010, 11:13 PM
I've read Cathy O Briens book, I also have some experience of some of the whole mind control shit, though nothing to the level of O Brien, and it does seem very far fetched, but I do beleive it, because I have seen powerful people do some strange shit too.

Also Lauren, I hear what you are saying about her being so emotionally detached when discussing it all, but that is the point. The trauma leaves your brain fried so emotions no longer are operating at a normal, human level, unfortunately. You become machine like with different faces for different places.

deca
27-11-2010, 11:18 PM
I've had my own bad experiences and still get emotional to this day when I remember the bad things. I just find it odd that somebody who went through such horrific stuff doesn't react at all.

She could be telling the truth but I just get a feeling that I shouldn't trust what she says so easily. Sorry but that's my opinion.

look there is a big differences from having bad experiences and truama based mind control


Fritz Springmeier - Trauma Based Mind Control 1of6
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRwuUaKbepw

Fritz Springmeier - Trauma Based Mind Control 2of6
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CBTUXGzjFY

the disinformation is very intresting and what every truther should be aware off ....watch out for the poisen in anybodys version of the truth!!!!

Fritz Springmeier - Trauma Based Mind Control 3of6
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CngEc2_ad5g

Fritz Springmeier - Trauma Based Mind Control 4of6
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSqNtLsMSG0

relesing stuff through dreams.....

they have there shepards in socity...on all sides!!!!


Fritz Springmeier - Trauma Based Mind Control 5of6
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwqntjI4evQ

altered states ,dissociate

Fritz Springmeier - Trauma Based Mind Control 6of6
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twcdDprY_Tw




Cathy O'Brien:The Most Dangerous Game ...is only part of the information

purplepebble
27-11-2010, 11:48 PM
The emotional memories are always there and can be recovered and processed/released etc.. The physical side effects of mind control are just as damaging as the mind control itself if they are left unattended as the negative emotions are held in the body and are destructive.

I think I may come across as being unemotional to a lot of people. I went through a period of about 3 or 4 years of being absolutley derelict emotionally - unable to feel anything. Shock and trauma also have a way of kicking in automatic defense mechanisms too. During one of my mind control sessions I was told that the emotions were "primitive". So there is always the possibility that some people are also programmed to be unemotional as well, through hypnosis. Use several mind control methods all at once and the job can be done in a few hours. You wont know your arse from a hole in the ground after that. Unless you are really lucky that is. Lucky is probably the wrong word though.

Despite these horrible experiences, most of which ruined my life from an early
age,I am grateful for them. They made me who I am today.

crystalline
28-11-2010, 08:57 AM
The emotional memories are always there and can be recovered and processed/released etc.. The physical side effects of mind control are just as damaging as the mind control itself if they are left unattended as the negative emotions are held in the body and are destructive.

I think I may come across as being unemotional to a lot of people. I went through a period of about 3 or 4 years of being absolutley derelict emotionally - unable to feel anything. Shock and trauma also have a way of kicking in automatic defense mechanisms too. During one of my mind control sessions I was told that the emotions were "primitive". So there is always the possibility that some people are also programmed to be unemotional as well, through hypnosis. Use several mind control methods all at once and the job can be done in a few hours. You wont know your arse from a hole in the ground after that. Unless you are really lucky that is. Lucky is probably the wrong word though.

Despite these horrible experiences, most of which ruined my life from an early
age,I am grateful for them. They made me who I am today.

that's great that you came through it and are able to say that. I don't regret events in my life either, because having regrets is pointless. I do wish I was whole again though, and me again.

metacomet
28-11-2010, 09:10 AM
Third, if Cathy O' Brien's reports are true, then it blows open a portal to understanding the multiple dimensional reality that so many speak of, including David Icke.

Well it kind of does, but it also doesn't.

She is in denial over the fact that she witnessed shapeshifting and wants to say it was a drug induced hallucination or they were mind controlling her to see it.

She is also in denial over the talk of "going into other dimensions" etc. which she heard so many times while being trained...

I don't think she would ever vouch for multi-dimensional reality.

crystalline
28-11-2010, 09:35 AM
Well it kind of does, but it also doesn't.

She is in denial over the fact that she witnessed shapeshifting and wants to say it was a drug induced hallucination or they were mind controlling her to see it.

She is also in denial over the talk of "going into other dimensions" etc. which she heard so many times while being trained...

I don't think she would ever vouch for multi-dimensional reality.



I don't think it's necessarily denial. The techniques used are such that you no longer know what is real and what is imaginary/dream like/film like. They recreate scenarios which are so insanely unreal that it is as if you are in a film. Combine this with the fact that the victim will have been exposed to movies which have subliminal controlling features in them too (for me Back to the Future) I believe that the point of this is two fold. Firstly by being placed in unreal scenarios the brain crosses the boundaries of understanding the world your experiencing, the only schemata available for the events are imaginary or what would happen in a film so the borders become merged. It also is a natural coping mechanism. For the controllers, it works to fry the brains as such the victim is easier to control.

It's simple to think its denial but it is much much more complex than this.

deca
28-11-2010, 09:44 AM
if you been exposed to modern mind control technology then you realise alien abuction,reptilian stuff, extra demisonal stuff just shite anyway....these people are being fucked by man made technology or some other earth based effect

sad fact is more people would believe her if she said aliens were rapeing abusing/abducting and mind controling her than other humans.....

there again I can see how people would rather and accept that monsters from out space were doing it than the monster in charge of the country....so who really is living in denial now then?

how many kids that get abused tell their parents and they don't believe there kid and just can't believe the nice up standing man in the community is abusing them....how many times does this happen!!!!

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 10:00 AM
So, what am I supposed to believe? That a group of powerful, influential people used CO'B and her daughter as mind-controlled sex-slaves and didn't just dispose of them like a snot-covered tissue after they had served their purpose?

From her wikipedia link:
There is no credible evidence for O'Brien's memories, which were retrieved through the use of hypnosis. The specific program which she claimed was responsible for her dissociative identity disorder, Project Monarch, is not mentioned in reviews of MKULTRA, its alleged parent program. She also claims recollection of child abuse - to her and her daughter - by international pedophile rings, drug barons and satanists, as part of a sex slave aspect to her 'trauma based mind control programming'. Individuals; from United States, Canadian, Mexican and Saudi Arabian government officials, to stars of the Country and Western music scene; are among those she accuses of these crimes. Investigations into the story produced no credible evidence and numerous inconsistencies.

The woman was abused by her dad and his mates - no wonder she is fucked up! You don't need to throw CIA drug testing experiments into the mix.
From an Amazon review of her book:
Cathy and her daughter were "lucky" to be rescued by Mark Phillips,

Anyone care to elaborate on how her "luck" changed?

Another snippet:
Read this book at your own risk if you wish to learn the "truth" about the use of mind-controlled slaves and the circumstances under which they live, but do not dwell on all this negativity as it will do you harm.

I'll say. Enabling you to buy a load of bullshit from any old person with obvious mental disorders would seem to be one of the risks.

I'm a little disappointed that a man of Mr Icke's research capabilities has bought into such a bizarre story based on such limited "evidence". It's almost as if he wants to believe her, despite the likelihood she is deluded and mentally disturbed.

deca
28-11-2010, 10:09 AM
So, what am I supposed to believe? That a group of powerful, influential people used CO'B and her daughter as mind-controlled sex-slaves and didn't just dispose of them like a snot-covered tissue after they had served their purpose?

From her wikipedia link:


The woman was abused by her dad and his mates - no wonder she is fucked up! You don't need to throw CIA drug testing experiments into the mix.

if she looked like brittny spears and had hits in the charts would you believe it then.....forgot only things happen to celebs:rolleyes:.....forget we little folk just wounder around hoping a wishing somebody rich and famous would spits at us......

So, what am I supposed to believe? That a group of powerful, influential people
are these the same group of these people that are devil worshiping psychopaths ?

and do all kinds of stuff at Bohemian Grove?

ragnarok you just show your true colours and the agenda why you are on this forum

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 10:32 AM
if she looked like brittny spears and had hits in the charts would you believe it then.....forgot only things happen to celebs:rolleyes:.....forget we little folk just wounder around hoping a wishing somebody rich and famous would spits at us......


Eh? :confused: Her appearance has fuck-all to do with why I doubt her story.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/2708/CATHY_O_BRIEN___MARK_PHILLIPS_MK_ULTRA/

I didn't hear one reference to a method of verifying any of the accusations she makes.

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 10:33 AM
ragnarok you just show your true colours and the agenda why you are on this forum

I have no agenda, unless trying to make some kind of sense of all the "information" available on here can be construed as such. I think you have probably been reading these kinds of "stories" for way too long. If you want to climb out of the rabbit hole, you should head for the light, not pitch black negativity.

deca
28-11-2010, 10:39 AM
I have no agenda, unless trying to make some kind of sense of all the "information" available on here can be construed as such. I think you have probably been reading these kinds of "stories" for way too long. If you want to climb out of the rabbit hole, you should head for the light, not pitch black negativity.

to be honest I not read here story or watched her videos, I just know that trauma based mind control is going on.I just don`t like hearing about the psyical abused based stuff .

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 10:47 AM
Fidgeting, stuttering or avoiding eye contact could simply be symptoms of nervousness . Practiced liars often show no such signs. “Really good liars often behave in the opposite way and appear unnaturally calm and make fewer gestures with their body,” says Daniel R. Fisher, a psychologist who heads the assessment practice for Worklab Consulting LLC, a New York-based management-consulting firm. “People who are lying often slow down to think about their answers, using fewer gestures and maintaining eye contact as they concentrate on putting together a plausible falsehood.”

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8864457841954131110#

Her message is supposed to be "Free yourself from fear", but all she seems to be doing is propagating it.

deca
28-11-2010, 10:55 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8864457841954131110#

Her message is supposed to be "Free yourself from fear", but all she seems to be doing is propagating it.
terrorism terrorism terrorism global warming global warming.......

don`t mention the real nasty stuff the PTB are doing because you spread fear and stop people believing that ET are not comming to save our dumb as and all we have to do is meditate abd believe in infinate love......

I tell you what trully is fearfull is this stuff going on an nobody doing shit about it and tuning a blind eye or living in denial

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 11:01 AM
terrorism terrorism terrorism global warming global warming.......

don`t mention the real nasty stuff the PTB are doing because you spread fear and stop people believing that ET are not comming to save our dumb as and all we have to do is meditate abd believe in infinate love......

I tell you what trully is fearfull is this stuff going on an nobody doing shit about it and tuning a blind eye or living in denial

It's alright highlighting these sort of issues, but unless you also provide an inkling into overcoming them, or at least some sort of positive message, you are just perpetuating the fearfulness.

deca
28-11-2010, 11:11 AM
Her message is supposed to be "Free yourself from fear", but all she seems to be doing is propagating it.


The woman was abused by her dad and his mates - no wonder she is fucked up!

see you can handle it being her dad and scumbag mates , you might think it shit and horrible but it does not effect your life or world view but if she telling the truth and them power full people in the nice suits running things that we see on the TV are doing it then its a whole different ball game

look at history and see what these leaders of past have done torture/murder ect... normal practise form them .

only thing thats change is media and PR

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 11:18 AM
There are several occasions where people who have been abused years previously have eventually got the perpetrators up in court to pay for their crimes. Any guesses on why no hot-shot/ambitious lawyer has decided to take up this case, considering the amount of supposedly obvious information backing up her tale?

deca
28-11-2010, 11:24 AM
There are several occasions where people who have been abused years previously have eventually got the perpetrators up in court to pay for their crimes. Any guesses on why no hot-shot/ambitious lawyer has decided to take up this case, considering the amount of supposedly obvious information backing up her tale?

why no hot-shot has took the 9/11 case to court then?

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 11:27 AM
why no hot-shot has took the 9/11 case to court then?

Because there is only circumstantial evidence, which would be attacked from every angle by the army of lawyers defending the claim. Maybe?

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 12:04 PM
Another thing: The Most Dangerous Game concept is supposed to be about hunting human beings and killing them, yet Cathy O' Brien apparently took part in one of these "games" and is still here to tell the tale. Explanation, anyone?

deca
28-11-2010, 12:18 PM
you could sit there and find wholes and difficult to believe and proof stuff in any mind control victims story , not really the point....there mind have been mind controled/abused in the first place is the real issuse not weather they can proof beyond duabt every thing the believe and say unless you want to discredit them

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 12:23 PM
you could sit there and find wholes and difficult to believe and proof stuff in any mind control victims story , not really the point....there mind have been mind controled/abused in the first place is the real issuse not weather they can proof beyond duabt every thing the believe and say
Actually, I'd like to see conclusive proof that they've been "mind-controlled" in the first place, before I start accepting any of their stories at face value.

deca
28-11-2010, 12:24 PM
Another thing: The Most Dangerous Game concept is supposed to be about hunting human beings and killing them, yet Cathy O' Brien apparently took part in one of these "games" and is still here to tell the tale. Explanation, anyone?
but at the time did she believe she was getting hunted and if caught would be killed , ask yourself that.
what do you think psylogical torture is?
Psychological torture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Psychological torture is a type of torture that relies primarily on psychological effects, and only secondarily on any physical harm inflicted. Although not all psychological torture involves the use of physical violence, there is a continuum between psychological torture and physical torture. The two are often used in conjunction with one another, and often overlap in practice, with the fear and pain induced by physical torture often resulting in long-term psychological effects, and many forms of psychological torture involving some form of pain or coercion.

Many forms of psychological torture methods attempt to destroy the subject's normal self-image by removing them from any kind of control over their environment, creating a state of learned helplessness, psychological regression and depersonalization. Other techniques include enforced nudity and head shaving, sleep deprivation, hooding and other forms of sensory deprivation and forcing the subject to adopt stress positions.

A strictly fear-inducing method is the mock execution. Various threats operate on the same fear-inducing principle.

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 12:27 PM
but at the time did she believe she was getting hunted and if caught would be killed , ask yourself that.
what do you think psylogical torture is?

Psychological torture would be a part of TMDG, but as I pointed out, the point is to kill the hunted, not allow them out into the big wide world to tell everyone about their experience.

deca
28-11-2010, 12:35 PM
Psychological torture would be a part of TMDG, but as I pointed out, the point is to kill the hunted, not allow them out into the big wide world to tell everyone about their experience.

have you any idea what trauma based mind control is?

is not weather they were playing a real game or not, its wether she believe she was in a real game and be killed at any moment and it most been intese as she believes it strongle today.

heuer
28-11-2010, 12:48 PM
Actually, I'd like to see conclusive proof that they've been "mind-controlled" in the first place, before I start accepting any of their stories at face value.

I cannot comment on the legitimacy of Cathy O'Brien but MK-ultra was made pretty public.

Fritz Springmeier wrote a good book on it that corresponds to a lot of what she has detailed.

So I have no doubt MK exists and is being used significantly today.

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 01:00 PM
I cannot comment on the legitimacy of Cathy O'Brien but MK-ultra was made pretty public.

And if The Men Who Stare At Goats hints at the truth, it was pretty much a joke. Maybe they have perfected such techniques, but that they'd waste them by using them to create "mind controlled" sex slaves - and then letting them go free to spread the word of their inhumanity - sounds like so much bollocks, when they could just get willing sex slaves from places like Thailand and just kill them when they were done abusing them.

deca
28-11-2010, 01:03 PM
And if The Men Who Stare At Goats hints at the truth, it was pretty much a joke. Maybe they have perfected such techniques, but that they'd waste them by using them to create "mind controlled" sex slaves - and then letting them go free to spread the word of their inhumanity - sounds like so much bollocks, when they could just get willing sex slaves from places like Thailand and just kill them when they were done abusing them.

do you know what Satanic ritual abuse is?

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 01:05 PM
do you know what Satanic ritual abuse is?

I've heard of it. I've yet to see any evidence anywhere that it can achieve what these Satanist's claim it can, though. Hence, it's practitioners are no more enlightened than a devout Catholic, or other follower of religious bullshit. Believing in something in no way makes it true.

deca
28-11-2010, 01:09 PM
I've heard of it. I've yet to see any evidence anywhere that it can achieve what these Satanist's claim it can, though. Hence, it's practitioners are no more enlightened than a devout Catholic, or other follower of religious bullshit. Believing in something in no way makes it true.

think about it they get a buch of power hungry fools tell them some shit about worshiping the devil get them to do some deprived act then they can blackmail them and maniplate them.....

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 01:19 PM
think about it they get a buch of power hungry fools tell them some shit about worshiping the devil get them to do some deprived act then they can blackmail them and maniplate them.....

That is possible, but it's a far cry from influencing them by using sophisticated mind-control techniques.

heuer
28-11-2010, 02:29 PM
And if The Men Who Stare At Goats hints at the truth, it was pretty much a joke. Maybe they have perfected such techniques, but that they'd waste them by using them to create "mind controlled" sex slaves - and then letting them go free to spread the word of their inhumanity - sounds like so much bollocks, when they could just get willing sex slaves from places like Thailand and just kill them when they were done abusing them.

I was always under the impression MK was primarily used for celebrities, people in power positions etc.

This way they have full control over such individuals and can ensure they don't get out of hand. They unquestionably do as they're told.

I have not looked into O'Brien's claims to a significant extent, although I did watch a small clip (I'm not sure if it's the same one mentioned by the OP) that has her driving around with some other guy detailing her experiences. You see her 'down there' also and see some horrific stuff.

For sex, they can, as you said, bring them in from such countries (and I'm sure they do). Or they can MK them alongside of that. Where is the harm at the end of the day? I bet the sick bastards get a kick out of it.

They probably haven't killed her either because she works as disinfo or ultimately means nothing. She isn't that publicy known and her info regarding MK isn't anything insane since it was documented officially. Many will dismiss it anyway since what she claims is very extreme and perverted.

There was a poster who was an insider in the music industry that posted on a thread on this forum about MK rather extensively, but she stopped posting all of a sudden.

http://theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm

This is the book I was referring to anyway. It is a horrific read. Author is reliable, he was killed.

starschildren
28-11-2010, 03:39 PM
I forget where I read about it, but there is supposed to be some video out there that people can get. It's kinda a snuff video, actual killings and rituals in it, porn, etc... that basically can coraberate what people say about MK. Also I have found/been giving some of the government files pertaining to MK (there is stuff blacked out, but it's clearly a US government file)...I can post pictures of them, but IDK if it'd stick around (or be wiped off) or be against the rules here or not.

realy
28-11-2010, 04:40 PM
I was always under the impression MK was primarily used for celebrities, people in power positions etc.

This way they have full control over such individuals and can ensure they don't get out of hand. They unquestionably do as they're told.

I have not looked into O'Brien's claims to a significant extent, although I did watch a small clip (I'm not sure if it's the same one mentioned by the OP) that has her driving around with some other guy detailing her experiences. You see her 'down there' also and see some horrific stuff.

For sex, they can, as you said, bring them in from such countries (and I'm sure they do). Or they can MK them alongside of that. Where is the harm at the end of the day? I bet the sick bastards get a kick out of it.

They probably haven't killed her either because she works as disinfo or ultimately means nothing. She isn't that publicy known and her info regarding MK isn't anything insane since it was documented officially. Many will dismiss it anyway since what she claims is very extreme and perverted.

There was a poster who was an insider in the music industry that posted on a thread on this forum about MK rather extensively, but she stopped posting all of a sudden.

http://theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm

This is the book I was referring to anyway. It is a horrific read. Author is reliable, he was killed.

the author you mean fritz or wheeler? fritz is still alive. this sra stuff is real, i have a friend from texas who was forced into a devil cult and he said there was intelligence folks involved also he told me his mom use to molest him and his parents put him in a christian boot camp place before being in the cult after that he was devoted to evil shit _but he never read on this subject he told me a few of his stories himself, and even know i think he is in some program to use his body for science and research, its crazy.

purplepebble
28-11-2010, 07:02 PM
that's great that you came through it and are able to say that. I don't regret events in my life either, because having regrets is pointless. I do wish I was whole again though, and me again.

Yeah, that is how I feel, the worst experiences were my greatest teachers, although it took a long time for me to put the pieces together, there is always going to be a piece that feels like it is missing, it is still in there somewhere though. I am not sure as to how useful the missing part would be to me theses days though. :)

ambigram
28-11-2010, 07:40 PM
SRA was a hoax. A total fraud. This stuff is peddled for a reason and that reason is to cause fear which enables you to be controlled. Its not the Satanists you should be worried about. Its the fundamentalist xtians and their counterparts. All this stuff is like the NWO a bogey man to scare you onside.

metacomet
28-11-2010, 08:07 PM
SRA was a hoax. A total fraud. This stuff is peddled for a reason and that reason is to cause fear which enables you to be controlled. Its not the Satanists you should be worried about. Its the fundamentalist xtians and their counterparts. All this stuff is like the NWO a bogey man to scare you onside.

*yawn*

Uh huh.

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 08:12 PM
*yawn*

Uh huh.

So, you believe a large number of people who believe in shit like Armageddon, End Times, the superior nature of their particular deity, and the inferiority of non-believers, are of less concern?

trumancash
28-11-2010, 08:27 PM
I met Cathy and Mark back in the mid-90s and spent a few hours with them. Very interesting conversations. I traded my book on ET contact for THE TRANCE FORMATION OF AMERICA. They are really nice people. I did not perceive that they were making this stuff up.

Mark told me that he believed the reason he wasn't dead yet was because he never talked about the mind control stuff that he was involved with wherein he signed a non-disclosure agreement. It seems that the "powers that be" won't really threaten, harass or kill someone unless they violate their non-disclosure agreement.

Mark said he believed that aliens were indeed abducting humans. He said he had just seen an implant taken from an abductee a couple weeks before I met him. He said it had writings on it that were not any Earth language.

Cathy mentioned the incident of her seeing George Bush turn into a reptilian. I asked her if she thought this was an illusion caused by MKUltra mind control, or if it was advanced hologram technology or if she thought Bush really was a reptilian. She said "I don't know". That was about fifteen years ago so I don't know what she thinks now.

I told Al Bielek about this incident and I asked him if the US government had advanced technology to create such a hologram around a human body and he said they did.

However, I know from my own research and personal experiences as an abductee that certain aliens do have telepathic hypnosis abilities to create illusions in the mind of the abductee. Here is a link to my underground military/Grays base experiences wherein a tall Gray projected in my mind that it was a beautiful, blonde, naked young woman in order to gain my cooperation: http://www.matrixrevealed.com/JOURNEY%20TO%20DISCOVERY%2020.htm

Yours in the Awakening,
Truman L. Cash
www.MatrixRevealed.com

mycharona
28-11-2010, 08:44 PM
This is one of those threads in which a large percentage of posters would benefit by actually reading Cathy O' Brien's book. She answers a lot of the questions many of you have about corroboration, detail, documentation and so on.

Really, just try it.

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 08:48 PM
Mark told me that he believed the reason he wasn't dead yet was because he never talked about the mind control stuff that he was involved with wherein he signed a non-disclosure agreement. It seems that the "powers that be" won't really threaten, harass or kill someone unless they violate their non-disclosure agreement.

So, this guy has information that could blow the lid off all sorts of evil shit, but because he signed a non-disclosure act, he's not going to reveal it, and for that reason they leave him alone?

Sounds like a right selfish shit. What he should be doing is disclosing everything, especially the stuff he's been warned not to reveal.

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 08:52 PM
This is one of those threads in which a large percentage of posters would benefit by actually reading Cathy O' Brien's book. She answers a lot of the questions many of you have about corroboration, detail, documentation and so on.

Really, just try it.

If I can get it in the library, I'll give it a whirl, but I won't be expecting it to reveal any great truths.

mountain
28-11-2010, 09:00 PM
This is one of those threads in which a large percentage of posters would benefit by actually reading Cathy O' Brien's book. She answers a lot of the questions many of you have about corroboration, detail, documentation and so on.

Really, just try it.

Her book was very difficult to read but I believe there is alot of truth in it. Also, Bryce Taylor and a few others have books about their experiences. I highly recommend it for people who really want to research into MKUltra.

metacomet
28-11-2010, 09:05 PM
So, you believe a large number of people who believe in shit like Armageddon, End Times, the superior nature of their particular deity, and the inferiority of non-believers, are of less concern?

So, this guy has information that could blow the lid off all sorts of evil shit, but because he signed a non-disclosure act, he's not going to reveal it, and for that reason they leave him alone?

Sounds like a right selfish shit. What he should be doing is disclosing everything, especially the stuff he's been warned not to reveal.

If I can get it in the library, I'll give it a whirl, but I won't be expecting it to reveal any great truths.



WTF are you even doing in this thread?

Either educate yourself or STFU. And nobody in here believes for a second that you yourself would risk your life to uncover anything...

And we also don't believe for a second that you're going to check this book out of a library. Not when links and sources to the book are already available online at this very moment.

ambigram
28-11-2010, 09:15 PM
'Unless they violate their non disclosure agreement' doesnt it strike you as odd that they would have such concern for the law given the ones they are supposed to have violated? Does he have a signed copy of this agreement? Wouldnt they have made it to cover all disclosure?

ragnarok
28-11-2010, 09:18 PM
WTF are you even doing in this thread?

Either educate yourself or STFU. And nobody in here believes for a second that you yourself would risk your life to uncover anything...

And we also don't believe for a second that you're going to check this book out of a library. Not when links and sources to the book are already available online at this very moment.

Get over yourself.

ps. And I have no intention of reading an online book, if that's what you are referring to?

purplepebble
28-11-2010, 09:18 PM
I met Cathy and Mark back in the mid-90s and spent a few hours with them. Very interesting conversations. I traded my book on ET contact for THE TRANCE FORMATION OF AMERICA. They are really nice people. I did not perceive that they were making this stuff up.

Mark told me that he believed the reason he wasn't dead yet was because he never talked about the mind control stuff that he was involved with wherein he signed a non-disclosure agreement. It seems that the "powers that be" won't really threaten, harass or kill someone unless they violate their non-disclosure agreement.

Mark said he believed that aliens were indeed abducting humans. He said he had just seen an implant taken from an abductee a couple weeks before I met him. He said it had writings on it that were not any Earth language.

Cathy mentioned the incident of her seeing George Bush turn into a reptilian. I asked her if she thought this was an illusion caused by MKUltra mind control, or if it was advanced hologram technology or if she thought Bush really was a reptilian. She said "I don't know". That was about fifteen years ago so I don't know what she thinks now.

I told Al Bielek about this incident and I asked him if the US government had advanced technology to create such a hologram around a human body and he said they did.

However, I know from my own research and personal experiences as an abductee that certain aliens do have telepathic hypnosis abilities to create illusions in the mind of the abductee. Here is a link to my underground military/Grays base experiences wherein a tall Gray projected in my mind that it was a beautiful, blonde, naked young woman in order to gain my cooperation: http://www.matrixrevealed.com/JOURNEY%20TO%20DISCOVERY%2020.htm

Yours in the Awakening,
Truman L. Cash
www.MatrixRevealed.com

Master Hypnotizers are capable of creating any illusion they want to, you don't necessarily need technology to simulate alien appearances. I have had some regression done with regard to missing time I have had from rituals - I also remember one programmers eyes turning completely black, the whole eye, not just the iris. During my regression this was revealed to be a complete illusion, for a while I was convinced that the programmers were aliens. But after having the regression work, apparently not.

My take is that by use of hypnosis, mental,physical and sexual abuse etc.. can alter someones state of mind so severely that it could be quite possible to believe that aliens were conducting these experiments and control structures.

Edited to add - not discounting the use of astral realm in this either, I think it is a big part .

realy
28-11-2010, 09:43 PM
SRA was a hoax. A total fraud. This stuff is peddled for a reason and that reason is to cause fear which enables you to be controlled. Its not the Satanists you should be worried about. Its the fundamentalist xtians and their counterparts. All this stuff is like the NWO a bogey man to scare you onside.

:o how old are you? do you happen to be a member of the process?
cmon there is lots of truth to all this which leads right to the people at the "top" who are you kidding or trying to recruit?

-truth is stranger than fiction, and it hurts.

ambigram
28-11-2010, 09:49 PM
The Process were Gnostics not Satanists. No ive never been a member. SRA was a terrible lie which tore loving familys apart and slandered innocent people.

heuer
29-11-2010, 12:34 AM
the author you mean fritz or wheeler? fritz is still alive. this sra stuff is real, i have a friend from texas who was forced into a devil cult and he said there was intelligence folks involved also he told me his mom use to molest him and his parents put him in a christian boot camp place before being in the cult after that he was devoted to evil shit _but he never read on this subject he told me a few of his stories himself, and even know i think he is in some program to use his body for science and research, its crazy.

I heard his was dead, but further investigation shows that he is in jail until 2012. haha

Wonder what will happen at his release.

realy
29-11-2010, 07:35 AM
I heard his was dead, but further investigation shows that he is in jail until 2012. haha

Wonder what will happen at his release.

fritz is out of jail, came out like last month, there was a thred about it on here.

realy
29-11-2010, 07:36 AM
The Process were Gnostics not Satanists. No ive never been a member. SRA was a terrible lie which tore loving familys apart and slandered innocent people.

your going with the "official word" on that then, ok i see.

yamayama
29-11-2010, 06:23 PM
Can our forum get an updated link to the video in the original post please? I clicked on the video box in the original post and it doesnt work.

Thanks.

ragnarok
29-11-2010, 06:26 PM
Cathy O Brien - The Most Dangerous Game - Video Dailymotion

troubled
29-11-2010, 09:10 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12ard_cathy-o-brien-the-most-dangerous-ga_shortfilms

lauren_almighty
29-11-2010, 09:14 PM
I heard his was dead, but further investigation shows that he is in jail until 2012. haha

Wonder what will happen at his release.

The world ends.

heuer
30-11-2010, 12:28 AM
fritz is out of jail, came out like last month, there was a thred about it on here.

It seems he was jailed until 2012, but then they released him under electronic house arrest.

realy
30-11-2010, 06:51 AM
The world ends.

cmon now, he will be fine hes playing it smart right now.

nelletuorg7
01-12-2010, 01:14 PM
Fritz Springmeier is one of the few conspiracy writers that I trust. I'm so glad he's out of prison, even if it is only on probation for 5 years. I hope the PTB don't screw it up for him. We need him. Sorry off topic. I also trust Cathy O'brien, but not necessarily her partner Philip.

realy
03-12-2010, 03:49 PM
Fritz Springmeier: Scam Alert and Update
http://www.henrymakow.com/fritz_springmeier_scam_alert_a.html

energi
03-12-2010, 05:32 PM
They recreate scenarios which are so insanely unreal that it is as if you are in a film. Combine this with the fact that the victim will have been exposed to movies which have subliminal controlling features in them too (for me Back to the Future)

Could you please elaborate some on that? How is the movie used in trauma-based programming (or whatever it is that you went through)?

My guesses are that it's either to do with certain visual components that normal people pass off as mere fantasy - ie props, environmental settings, color schemes in costume and make-up etc - or something with reading the script in a way that enables triggering... But I'm not too well read-up on this stuff yet.

I did come over a manuscript of Disney's Fantasia/Fantasia 2000 with notes in the margins that formed a "narrative" of mind-control instructions somehow (to be read out loud by the person performing the operation on the victim)... creepy shit right there :-/

If you choose to tell some more about BTTF, and it feels to personal/gets too emotional for you to share in public space then you could always PM me (or choose not to share anything at all, of course :o).

:)

gaias child
28-03-2011, 02:43 PM
if she looked like brittny spears and had hits in the charts would you believe it then.....forgot only things happen to celebs:rolleyes:.....forget we little folk just wounder around hoping a wishing somebody rich and famous would spits at us......


are these the same group of these people that are devil worshiping psychopaths ?

and do all kinds of stuff at Bohemian Grove?

ragnarok you just show your true colours and the agenda why you are on this forum


she is a celeb though and that is the point, people are becoming celebs out of the sensational material

MPD and DID are very real and down too abuse and trauma, but this stuff is so exaggerated, i have seen people with severe abuse and trauma without DID or MPD and mnost of them are terrified gibbering wrecks, there thoughts can become scattered they often can't communicate what happened to them because of traumacan't write books and stand up in front of crowds with sensational speeches etc.

Good link to DID here and trauma here

http://www.wearesurvivors.org/?p=1961

it happens to a lot of people and many do not even get diagnosed and commit suicide that is the reality, people like cathy o brien are doing people who really have this ,and have suffered horrible abuse a great disservice, as then it all gets lumped as an unbelievable conspiracy theory , but i guess that is the point. as lets face it most people's abuse would never be as bad as Cathy and she survived, I don't believe her it is distraction.

realy
28-03-2011, 09:02 PM
Rense & Linda Stone - Satanic Rituals In AmericaRense & Linda Stone - Satanic Rituals in America - YouTube