apples

[eternal_spirit]

Good for digestion, help clean teeth and strengthen gums.

[kha zarr]

hulda clarks cancer research alleges that a chemical in all apples besides red or golden delicious varieties and a few other foods, contain 'phloridzin' is partially responsible for tumor formation...read below article or get cached site youll see. If youre familiar w/her work you know about her parasite/pollutant theory of disease...I dont agree w/all of her research, but a good part of it I do agree with. She has an interesting angle towards health and disease.

My great uncle died of colon cancer and many years before, until he died, he was always eating a TON of apples. [he would eat pounds of them in one sitting though, so perhaps you need to eat lots and lots of them, but maybe there were less toxins back then. He died about 10 years ago, he was in his 70s I think]. Unfortunately I didnt know him too well so its possible there were other dietary contributors [likely].

I love the golden ones, but Ill eat green sometimes. I juice them and eat the pulp as applesauce. [pulp has the fiber]. Or just eat'em. Organic of course.
who knows, this is kinda a killjoy sorry I can be good at that sometimes. Dont take it to mean 'never eat apples' or anything. I do believe theyre great for gums and digestion anyways.

drclark.net/en/drclark_protocol/cancer/advanced_cancer/beginning.php

I also like navel oranges, theyre GREAT to juice it whips up very think and tastes just like an orange julius. w0w!

[melbo]

Most people I know don't wash apples before eating them, so maybe its the chemicals that have been sprayed on them. I've also read that if you eat an apple you should eat the pips too, as they have anti-cancer agents in them. Or maybe its 'all things in moderation'.

[eternal_spirit]

Yes melbo I always believed and still do that apples are anti carcinogenic, can't see how something as natural as an apple could cause cancer.
I'll have to look in my books and post what I find later.

[kha zarr]

of course washing is essential. I always wash my fruits /vegees very thoroughly, if not organic [sometimes I dont cuz the place I go to buy them is a bit farther to drive].

It could be due to chemicals, I dunno myself.

[sweet cheeks]

hulda clarks cancer research alleges that a chemical in all apples besides red or golden delicious varieties and a few other foods, contain 'phloridzin' is partially responsible for tumor formation...read below article or get cached site youll see. If youre familiar w/her work you know about her parasite/pollutant theory of disease...I dont agree w/all of her research, but a good part of it I do agree with. She has an interesting angle towards health and disease.

My great uncle died of colon cancer and many years before, until he died, he was always eating a TON of apples. [he would eat pounds of them in one sitting though, so perhaps you need to eat lots and lots of them, but maybe there were less toxins back then. He died about 10 years ago, he was in his 70s I think]. Unfortunately I didnt know him too well so its possible there were other dietary contributors [likely].

I love the golden ones, but Ill eat green sometimes. I juice them and eat the pulp as applesauce. [pulp has the fiber]. Or just eat'em. Organic of course.
who knows, this is kinda a killjoy sorry I can be good at that sometimes. Dont take it to mean 'never eat apples' or anything. I do believe theyre great for gums and digestion anyways.

drclark.net/en/drclark_protocol/cancer/advanced_cancer/beginning.php

I also like navel oranges, theyre GREAT to juice it whips up very think and tastes just like an orange julius. w0w!

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:QGN8lKHXVhEJ:www.drclark.net/en/drclark_protocol/cancer/advanced_cancer/cancer_location.php+phloridzin+cancer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.applepolyphenols.com/studies/diabetes.htm

I've thought to myself many times that Hulda wants to keep people in a bubble, which is quite impossible in this day in age!

I dunno....

An apple a day, keeps the doctor away! ;) :D :confused:

[kha zarr]

yeah sometimes im not sure about some of the advice shes got, some is a bit extreme, I admit. Good site SC I checked that out.

btw that link is tenuous, I found it also at http://www.drclark.net/en/hulda_clark/parasites/our_parasites.php

Honestly though, I do sometimes find her theories very interesting concerning how industrial solvents in mass use today alter parasitic life cycles in humans.

[eternal_spirit]

An apple a day does indeed keep the doctor away. In fact, apples are considered a 'whole body' superfood because there are very few parts of the body that do not benefit from them. Apples lower cholesterol, improve bowel function and protect the body from prostate and lung cancer, asthma and diabetes. Apples are also an essential part in any weight loss programme and have been linked with the prevention of Alzheimer's disease.

[1 2 free]

Apples absorb a LOT of pesticides so if you can find and afford organic apples it's best to get those. Also eat the pips as they're a good source of vitamin B17.

[shadow cat]

And don't forget to brush the teeth after eating an apple, apparently the acid can damage the enamel!

:)

[klinker]

and the scientific references for these positive benefits are where? I would be keen to study them.

Fruit including apples contain fructose which is a highly concentrated form of sugar and is actually worse for you than refined sugar. It is well known in scientific circles (a few literature references provided in the sugar thread) that a diet high in sugar, regardless of where this sugar comes from, allows cancer cells to propagate. The fuel a cancer cell thrives on is sugar. Deprive it of sugar (glucose) and it cannot thrive.

Mitochondrion are organelles found in eukaryotic cells and they are vital to our being able to live. They thrive on fat (fatty acids) and if fed sugar (carbs) they break down which goes a long way to explaining why the human body in turn breaks down and suffers a whole variety of diseases and general ailments. A bit like trying to run a diesel engine on petrol or vice versa. Despite how some us may feel about eating animals the fact is that we have evolved to eat a diet rich in animal proteins and fats.

Why do we think that because it pops up out of the ground or grows on a tree it's 'natural' and therefore ok for us to eat?

[1 2 free]

and the scientific references for these positive benefits are where? I would be keen to study them.

Fruit including apples contain fructose which is a highly concentrated form of sugar and is actually worse for you than refined sugar. It is well known in scientific circles (a few literature references provided in the sugar thread) that a diet high in sugar, regardless of where this sugar comes from, allows cancer cells to propagate. The fuel a cancer cell thrives on is sugar. Deprive it of sugar (glucose) and it cannot thrive.

Mitochondrion are organelles found in eukaryotic cells and they are vital to our being able to live. They thrive on fat (fatty acids) and if fed sugar (carbs) they break down which goes a long way to explaining why the human body in turn breaks down and suffers a whole variety of diseases and general ailments. A bit like trying to run a diesel engine on petrol or vice versa. Despite how some us may feel about eating animals the fact is that we have evolved to eat a diet rich in animal proteins and fats.

Why do we think that because it pops up out of the ground or grows on a tree it's 'natural' and therefore ok for us to eat?

If it grows then yes by definition it's natural. Obviously not everything that grows out of the ground is good for you. That's a straw man argument. Fruit contains vitamins, minerals, enzymes, antioxidants, etc. Those things are good for you. The health benefits of eating fruit are well documented. If you have evidence against that then post it.

A diet high on sugar may be bad but does than mean we should never eat an apple or any other fruit? Does one apple = a high sugar diet? What about the sugars in vegetables? Is this bad too?

You're argument that we should eat meat because we have 'evolved to eat a diet rich in animal proteins and fats' is a strange one. We've evolved eating fruit too which you claim is bad but meat (which is carcenogenic when cooked, which has proteins the human body had great trouble digesting, which puts far too much protein into our bodies damaging our kidneys, etc) is good even though vegetarians and vegans on average are healthier and live longer than omnivores. Even though the amount of meat and dairy in our diet has greatly increased over recent decades. In fact as meat, dairy, sugar, processed foods, additives, etc have increased in our diet and fresh fruit and vegetables have decreased this is where cases of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypoglycemia, Crohns disease and countless other diseases have skyrocketed.

I've been a vegetarian for eleven years and these days I'm a vegan and I know exactly how healthy I am, how good I feel, how clearly my mind works, how alive and at one with everything I feels since I removed animal products from my diet. I also know I could never leech my health from another animal causing it to suffer horrifically for my own selfish gain. That's the Illuminati's mindstate. It's not mine.

[klinker]

If it grows then yes by definition it's natural. Obviously not everything that grows out of the ground is good for you. That's a straw man argument. Fruit contains vitamins, minerals, enzymes, antioxidants, etc. Those things are good for you. The health benefits of eating fruit are well documented. If you have evidence against that then post it.

A diet high on sugar may be bad but does than mean we should never eat an apple or any other fruit? Does one apple = a high sugar diet? What about the sugars in vegetables? Is this bad too?

You're argument that we should eat meat because we have 'evolved to eat a diet rich in animal proteins and fats' is a strange one. We've evolved eating fruit too which you claim is bad but meat (which is carcenogenic when cooked, which has proteins the human body had great trouble digesting, which puts far too much protein into our bodies damaging our kidneys, etc) is good even though vegetarians and vegans on average are healthier and live longer than omnivores. Even though the amount of meat and dairy in our diet has greatly increased over recent decades. In fact as meat, dairy, sugar, processed foods, additives, etc have increased in our diet and fresh fruit and vegetables have decreased this is where cases of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypoglycemia, Crohns disease and countless other diseases have skyrocketed.

I've been a vegetarian for eleven years and these days I'm a vegan and I know exactly how healthy I am, how good I feel, how clearly my mind works, how alive and at one with everything I feels since I removed animal products from my diet. I also know I could never leech my health from another animal causing it to suffer horrifically for my own selfish gain. That's the Illuminati's mindstate. It's not mine.

I do not have an argument, all I have is the science and when I have time I can post some of it here. Assuming that the literature references I have made in other posts does not inspire you to go read for yourself. I would like to see the the scientific reference material evidence to back up the claims you have made above.

I also never said do not eat fruit or veg. In fact I think I said the human system can handle carbs without ill effects by keeping the daily intake down to around 40 grams a day or less. This is regardless of where those carbs come from although it is best to avoid any carb that causes an insulin spike. I also said that we had evolved to eat a diet rich in animal proteins and fats which does not sound to me like I am excluding everything else. In times of need when a human had to eat fruit or seeds then they would do. Common agriculture that gives us the majority of carb products we have today has only been around for approx 12,000 years which on an evolutionary scale has been a rude introduction to the human system and no time at all to adapt.

I also detect a moral tone to your opinion and your reason for being a vegan. If that is the case then that should be pushed to one side because this is not a moral discussion but one based upon science. Illuminati mindstate????

A few of my friends are veggies and they enjoy reasonable health despite being vitamin deficient on account of not eating the animal fats required that allows the body to absorb some of these vitamins but they do eat fish for the body's protein requirement. Soy is not really an alternative.

I have been studying nutrition and the mechanics of the human energy production system for many years and have known a few vegans during that time who share a similar interest. I have to say that I have yet to meet a healthy vegan nor one who is not in denial because of their moral stance. That's not meant as a personal dig at you or any other vegan as it has always been a genuine concerned observation of mine. If you are different then I would be genuinely interested in knowing how you maintain your health. Not wanting to eat animal products on moral grounds is one thing but depriving your body of an evolutionary energy and health source requirement is something else.

Your protein and kidney comment, not unlike the cholesterol and low fat diet story, is a complete myth. As a simplistic counter to that statement has renal failure ever been a problem in the world of body builders who consume massive amounts of protein??

With regards to food composition the intake of animal proteins and fats has actually decreased over the last thirty years with 65% of the average daily food intake in the western world diet now coming from carbs. People eat cereals for breakfast instead of eggs and bacon. People eat lean meat instead of the full fat variety. I should also not forget the junk food carb consumption that has greatly increased over the years. Despite all of the low fat whole grain goodness advice we are dying even more now of the very diseases that barely plagued us 100 years ago in comparison.

Anyone heard of adult onset diabetes? The word 'adult' has now been dropped from this illness name because for a number of years now the medical profession have been seeing more and more cases of children (4+ on average) developing onset diabetes and these children, just like the adults, have no history of diabetes in their family. Why was this happening in adults in the first place? A lifelong diet rich in carbs and the pancreas eventually starts to give up and one would also become insulin resistant. The children? A short life so far eating a diet made up of refined sugar and very little in the way of animal proteins and fats. When I was a kid sweets were a rare treat.

I might perhaps accept that you could be healthier than the average person who consumes a typical carb rich low fat and protein diet. That does not mean you would be healthy just healthier in comparison.

I would put money on you not being healthier than anybody who fuels their body based upon human evolutionary requirements.

[lightbeing]

Only like them cooked in a pie with ice cream, yum yum!:D

[eternal_spirit]

I've eaten up to 20 apples a day at times. I can assure you due to my own tests on myself......there are no adverse side effects...... Apples will clean you're teeth, strengthen gums which in turn help clean out you're stomach on the way through the body easing indegstion and constipation. :o

sorbitol is found in fruit. it is also one of the main ingredients in toothpaste.

I know from my tests on myself apples will keep you're teeth in good health.

[pacoquerak]

You think cows that are fed other cows mixed with corn, pesticide, growth hormones and antibiotics is good for you? You think 10'000 different cows in one mcdonnald's hamburger is good for you? Asuridly not. IF you are talking about real naturaly fed and raised animals and even better wild ones like deer I will agree with you. Any meat that comes from a supermarket is not any better than a mcdonnalds hamburger unless it is chicken (a bit warmer) or is from the sea. A lot of sea food has lots and lots of mercury. Farm raised salmon actualy kills real salmon. No female children should eat any meat that is not natural and fed corectly because many chemicals that are added can cause them to have early periods and thus halt their growth. These foods are making american women shorter.

I agree humans evolved to eat meat, but that's not all. We are omnivores and the animals that eat the most like us are bears, some gorillas and racoons. All of these eat TONS of fruit and honey. That is why like us they love junk food soo much.

Humans have been found to have been farming hemp as long as 10'000 years ago. Hemp seed covers almost all grounds that meat does, has more than the stuff you can get at supermarkets asuridly and all the stuff that is missed out on is covered by miso soup. Actualy everything that people can usualy only get from meat is made up for by miso. Miso has many uses besides soup as well. It is a great butter/salt aternative, great on corn on the cob and in salads.

I do love my deer/rabbit/groundhog!

Oh yeah, well the Hopi indians eat tons of berries and never get cancer or diabeetus.

Fruit and vegtables gives me long lasting energy and allows me to work long hours on the farm. I also eat 2 eggs a day and nuts, I really got to order some hemp seed. The majority of the food I eat is organic. I eat lots of weeds and get to eat all the casualties of crops when I am weeding. I graze all day long. Oh yeah, I work at an organic farm. I am gonna start bow hunting for meat.