Jesus Crhist ( Knows Who You Are Now)

[alchemist2012]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.

[eternal_spirit]

Ok lol in the bible Jesus sounds like a great man, Know one know if he even existed.
Some even argue about wether they are ancestors of Jesus.

[pedsi]

So if your not a christian your'e buggered then.............I dont think so

[whitelightrabbit]

So if your not a christian your'e buggered then.............I dont think so


isnt that actually contradictory to what jesus taught? hyprocritical 'christians'!

[seamus]

This is the typical christian heresy. 2 eternal destinies. You better know Jeezus or you're goose is cooked. Literally! It is so sad to see so many loudly proclaim the hatred of the God they do not really know. Oh, and the gall! To say that "If you don't like what I say, you're of the devil!" Typical.

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[markdiegutis]

Isn't the entire point of creating a savior and messiah, to lead people?
Lets see, Create a savior who is pure and shows nothing but love.
Someone who promises eternal life (which by the way is a trap)
Then, all believers will follow this savior and defend and fight for this savior.. (here is the brain washing) lets stop and think for ourselves for a minute.

I grew up as a catholic, at a very early age I realized how ridiculous and corrupt the catholic religion was. I believed in Jesus up until recently. It was when I heard of Tammuz,Mithra,Horus and realized that they were not just similar..they were the same!
Besides the obvious reason of control, there is the reason I see this "eternal life" as a trap. We have the power to give our "soul" away. whether to "heaven" or "Hell" to me both are the same thing.
Let us look at what a soul is. Is it part of the universal energy that makes up all life? or a seperate entity that exists after death?
Well,I believe a soul to be a collection of our experiences in this life, that upon death are absorbed into the universal knowledge or eternal sea. Is it possible to give all this away? Why not..
Like I said, I believe heaven and hell are the same thing.Both control and chain the mind of man whilst he lives on earth. We live in fear of hell and strive to achieve the requirements for heaven.

I'm not saying Jesus did not exist.. I am saying I do not believe the "re-written" story of Jesus that is the new testament of the bible.
If people look at the story of Tammuz, Mithra and Horus and still tell me that this "New Testament" is 100% correct then I'm afraid all i can say to them is that they have been duped,
If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

IF YOU STOPPED TO QUESTION, ITS THE "HUMAN SPIRIT" WITHIN YOU !!!

[naturesdaughter]

If God is the same unchanging being from Old Testement to New Testemant, then this blood thirsty being surely does not warrent any person's allegience.

[i am all i am]

Hello Alchemist2012,
Please understand that I believe that you are allowed to believe whatever it is that you so desire. This does not alter the fact that your beliefs are a total misunderstanding of what the bible (both new and old testaments) is. It is a tool of worshippers of the "SUN". The cult of sun worshipping is a religious tool to indoctrinate people into the worship of astrology. Jesus and his twelve disciples - The sun and the twelve star signs. The astrological chart is represented by a circle with an equidistant cross through it, where the sun is placed upon the cross (crucified). The cross represents the summer and winter solstices and the equinoxes. There are actually sixteen dying and resurrecting saviour gods prior to the story of jesus christ. All were symbolical of the same story/myth. They were all born of a virgin on the 25th of december. If you want more information about this, google Jordan Maxwell or go to the site truthbeknown.
"How well we know what a profitable fable this story of christ has been for us"
Pope Leo X.
If you still persist in this erroneous belief in the life of jesus christ and you profess to follow the word of jesus then...
"Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." Matthew 5:42.
Would you please give to me all the money that you have and every possession that you own ?

CHRISTIANITY

666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST,
ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS JOIN THE FEAST,
DENYING THE TRUTH THAT'S INSIDE,
SO THEIR ACTIONS THEY CAN HIDE.

THE CONVERSION OF ALL IS THE GOAL,
SO THEY CAN FEED UPON YOUR SOUL,
AND THE JOY OF LIFE BECOMES A COST,
FOR ALL IN FEAR TO BE LOST.

THE BLIND AND DEAF ALWAYS PREACH,
OF A PLACE THEY CANNOT REACH,
SO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT IS SAID,
FOR ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS WANT YOU DEAD.

BUT WHEN YOU SEE AND YOU HEAR,
ALL BECOMES PERFECTLY CLEAR,
FOR THEN IT IS THAT YOU WILL KNOW,
TO YOU LOVE WILL ALWAYS FLOW.

To get into heaven you must fist have died (by christian belief), so if you want me or anyone else to go to heaven, then you obviously want us dead.

DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY

THIS IS THE MOTTO OF OUR DAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY,
FOR A PREACHER PREACHED UNTO ME,
THE SEPERATION OF ETERNITY.

HE CALLED ME WEAK, HE CALLED ME A SINNER,
THEN HE TOLD THERE IS ONLY ONE WINNER,
THE SON OF GOD, HE IS GOD INCARNATE,
AND MORTAL MANS DEATH WAS HIS FATE.

HE DIED ON A CROSS TO ABSOLVE ALL SIN,
AND ONLY THEN DID OUR LIVES BEGIN,
THIS IS THE TRUTH, DON'T TURN AWAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

SO I ASKED A QUESTION TO BE SURE,
HE COULD SEE HIS STORY HAD A FLAW,
"IF ETERNAL GOD BE THE ONE HE BE,
HOW COULD DEATH BE HIS DESTINY?".

AND THEN HE TOLD ME HIS DEATH WAS A GIFT,
FOR THE SINS OF HUMANITY HE DID UPLIFT,
AND RESURRECTED TO SHOW THE PROOF,
THAT THIS STORY IS THE TRUTH.

AND AS HIS STORY PROVED HIS STORY,
HE SMILED AT ME WITH ALL GODS GLORY,
AND I LAUGHED AND SMILED TO SEE,
HE COULDN'T HIDE GOD INSIDE FROM ME.

NOW WITH WORDS HEARTFELT I DID SAY,
"THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME GOD TODAY",
THEN HE LOST HIS SMILE AND TURNED AWAY,
SAYING DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

Alchemist2012, you are god, as I am, and every other person on this forum, and everything in creation is. ALL THAT IS is exactly that, ALL THAT IS. This includes you. You are the part of ALL THAT IS (God), that is choosing to re-present ALL THAT IS (God), through mind/body/soul. You have free will and can therefore express yourself as any aspect of ALL THAT IS (God). The original meaning of the word satan, in Hebrew, is accuser. By writing what you have written in your post you are being satan, an accuser. If this is how you desire to re-present ALL THAT IS (God), then I thank you for showing me your representation and wish you all the best in experiencing yourself as this.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[oneofmany]

There is no heaven and hell, right or wrong, evil or righteousness. There is only infinite love. everything else is an illusion. ;)

[harpalchemist]

I can't believe this is the subject matter on the site,might as well talk to the bozos in my local.I was hoping to get some intelligent discourse but i see to much brainwashing is still in place.RELIGION IS A TRAP,NEWAGE POSITIVE THINKING IS A TRAP.Does anyone know of a site where there is an entrance exam,please oh please help me.

[oneofmany]

I can't believe this is the subject matter on the site,might as well talk to the bozos in my local.I was hoping to get some intelligent discourse but i see to much brainwashing is still in place.RELIGION IS A TRAP,NEWAGE POSITIVE THINKING IS A TRAP.Does anyone know of a site where there is an entrance exam,please oh please help me.I thought the same thing myself when i first read it.

[llogun]

i came out of that prison years ago

[procyon]

There is a truth to religion but sadly barely anyone sees it. It doesn't help that human hands have muddied the waters so much and the truth is buried under the muck. Same with new age material. Grains of truth thrown into a pot of lies. To really make a call on religion you gotta do a lot of reading and digging. Look at the first line of the Gospel of Mary Magdelene and you will see what I mean. I can see why brainwashers would keep that shit out. If you don't own a copy I'll type out the first lines here,

"What is matter?
Will it last forever?"
The teacher answered:
"All that is born, all that is created,
all the elements of nature
are interwoven and united with each other.
All that is composed, shall be decomposed;
everything returns to its roots;
matter returns to the origins of matter.
Those who have ears, let him hear."

[sean~infinte]

how funny

my great great great great great great gre....grandad nailed jesus christ to the cross

[alchemist2012]

In truth I tell you: "ALL CIVILIZATION THAT BASES ON ANYTHING OTHER THEN LOVE WALKS INTO SELFISHNESS AND ITS OWN DESTRUCTION" Leandro Almeida




Hello Alchemist2012,
Please understand that I believe that you are allowed to believe whatever it is that you so desire. This does not alter the fact that your beliefs are a total misunderstanding of what the bible (both new and old testaments) is. It is a tool of worshippers of the "SUN". The cult of sun worshipping is a religious tool to indoctrinate people into the worship of astrology. Jesus and his twelve disciples - The sun and the twelve star signs. The astrological chart is represented by a circle with an equidistant cross through it, where the sun is placed upon the cross (crucified). The cross represents the summer and winter solstices and the equinoxes. There are actually sixteen dying and resurrecting saviour gods prior to the story of jesus christ. All were symbolical of the same story/myth. They were all born of a virgin on the 25th of december. If you want more information about this, google Jordan Maxwell or go to the site truthbeknown.
"How well we know what a profitable fable this story of christ has been for us"
Pope Leo X.
If you still persist in this erroneous belief in the life of jesus christ and you profess to follow the word of jesus then...
"Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." Matthew 5:42.
Would you please give to me all the money that you have and every possession that you own ?

CHRISTIANITY

666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST,
ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS JOIN THE FEAST,
DENYING THE TRUTH THAT'S INSIDE,
SO THEIR ACTIONS THEY CAN HIDE.

THE CONVERSION OF ALL IS THE GOAL,
SO THEY CAN FEED UPON YOUR SOUL,
AND THE JOY OF LIFE BECOMES A COST,
FOR ALL IN FEAR TO BE LOST.

THE BLIND AND DEAF ALWAYS PREACH,
OF A PLACE THEY CANNOT REACH,
SO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT IS SAID,
FOR ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS WANT YOU DEAD.

BUT WHEN YOU SEE AND YOU HEAR,
ALL BECOMES PERFECTLY CLEAR,
FOR THEN IT IS THAT YOU WILL KNOW,
TO YOU LOVE WILL ALWAYS FLOW.

To get into heaven you must fist have died (by christian belief), so if you want me or anyone else to go to heaven, then you obviously want us dead.

DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY

THIS IS THE MOTTO OF OUR DAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY,
FOR A PREACHER PREACHED UNTO ME,
THE SEPERATION OF ETERNITY.

HE CALLED ME WEAK, HE CALLED ME A SINNER,
THEN HE TOLD THERE IS ONLY ONE WINNER,
THE SON OF GOD, HE IS GOD INCARNATE,
AND MORTAL MANS DEATH WAS HIS FATE.

HE DIED ON A CROSS TO ABSOLVE ALL SIN,
AND ONLY THEN DID OUR LIVES BEGIN,
THIS IS THE TRUTH, DON'T TURN AWAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

SO I ASKED A QUESTION TO BE SURE,
HE COULD SEE HIS STORY HAD A FLAW,
"IF ETERNAL GOD BE THE ONE HE BE,
HOW COULD DEATH BE HIS DESTINY?".

AND THEN HE TOLD ME HIS DEATH WAS A GIFT,
FOR THE SINS OF HUMANITY HE DID UPLIFT,
AND RESURRECTED TO SHOW THE PROOF,
THAT THIS STORY IS THE TRUTH.

AND AS HIS STORY PROVED HIS STORY,
HE SMILED AT ME WITH ALL GODS GLORY,
AND I LAUGHED AND SMILED TO SEE,
HE COULDN'T HIDE GOD INSIDE FROM ME.

NOW WITH WORDS HEARTFELT I DID SAY,
"THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME GOD TODAY",
THEN HE LOST HIS SMILE AND TURNED AWAY,
SAYING DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

Alchemist2012, you are god, as I am, and every other person on this forum, and everything in creation is. ALL THAT IS is exactly that, ALL THAT IS. This includes you. You are the part of ALL THAT IS (God), that is choosing to re-present ALL THAT IS (God), through mind/body/soul. You have free will and can therefore express yourself as any aspect of ALL THAT IS (God). The original meaning of the word satan, in Hebrew, is accuser. By writing what you have written in your post you are being satan, an accuser. If this is how you desire to re-present ALL THAT IS (God), then I thank you for showing me your representation and wish you all the best in experiencing yourself as this.

With LOVE.
________________________________

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[megatron]

if god and Jesus existed in the manner that Christians believe i.e. all seeing all knowing , they would be the most evil entity / creation / being, one could ever imagine.

there is no god, there is no Jesus , at best we are the product of D.N.A alteration, many many years ago , by beings that might one day come back and save us from ourselves.

[cheeb]

if god could redeem mankind why didnt he just do it withoout sending himself disguised as his son to ultimately be nailed cto a stick there is something quite masochistic about this way of saving the world but he always come across as a bit of a control freak the fall of man was a bit of a harsh punishment for eating an apple.

[joffausy]

There is no heaven and hell, right or wrong, evil or righteousness. There is only infinite love. everything else is an illusion.

:confused: As a new poster to this forum that isnt really a fan of David Icke Id have to say david and his fans ideas seem pretty New age to me especially given the following saying which he always uses!.

There is no heaven and hell, right or wrong, evil or righteousness. There is only infinite love. everything else is an illusion.

By the way how can one stand against the satanic elite (presuming that is REALLY why you are here) as such if they dont base their faith against it, on something solid immortal and holy. I dont believe David Icke is a God for minute but i am sure of some of you clowns do!.
:rolleyes:

[tru3]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.

c'mon, this is a goof, right? the mis-spellings? a little over the top, aren't they?

didn't your mom teach you spellun and grammur when you were home schooled? ;)

[tru3]

:confused: As a new poster to this forum that isnt really a fan of David Icke Id have to say david and his fans ideas seem pretty New age to me especially given the following saying which he always uses!.



By the way how can one stand against the satanic elite (presuming that is REALLY why you are here) as such if they dont base their faith against it, on something solid immortal and holy. I dont believe David Icke is a God for minute but i am sure of some of you clowns do!.
:rolleyes:

you have an a priori assumption that some of us don't hold: that christianity has some kind of "lock" on the truth. my worldview is wide enough to encompass the belief that jesus is my older brother who i can learn from, not some god who can "save" me. your worldview apparently is much narrower, as it's either jesus or the devil. as for me, i believe in the spirit of christ, not the personality of jesus. the Holy Spirit is as real to me as Jesus is to you.

can we not meet in the middle? :) standing up to the "satanic elite" to me means looking my brother in the eye and forgiving our differences, and standing together as One.

just because many of us don't subscribe to your belief does not mean that we do not have moral codes, or personal, direct relationship with the Divine.

[timestop24]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

There you go, buuuuu-dy. :D

[joffausy]

i believe in the spirit of christ, not the personality of jesus. the Holy Spirit is as real to me as Jesus is to you.
tru3 :confused:Well actually David Icke on whom this forum is supposed to be based(sometimes I wonder) doesnt believe in the christian god period nor Jesus he thinks they are all manifestations of the sun god Rex deus or Greek Logos.In case your wondering yes i have read his books.

So i am not sure where leaves you here. I mean you cant be a an orthodox david icke fan because you claim to believe in Religion to some degree, while david basically states its all jewdeo crap period.However he,ll accept the sun god, ancient "Greek Logos" concept of how jesus became a central part of human history and become the basis of starting a Christianity.

Personally i think yourself and many other posters here with that esoteric veneer are simply a kind of Gnostic whether you are freemasons or thelmites i am yet to decide.
However i have news for you i am not the kind that can be lead by the nose i didnt just jump into this forum a naive fool i have been reading about esoteric, spiritual and religious and Philosophical matters for sometime myself its actually one of my consuming interests I am probly one of the last few cultured self taught bookworms left in my generation a very hard task in Australias blokey peer pressure pushing, spiritually uneducated trashy US based po mo culture trust me.
Many people i know or associate with dont even realise how much i actually know and my intuition for picking up these matters, so i guess you and your esoteric friends will have to try harder if you want deceive me!:D

[john white]

I mean you cant be a an orthodox david icke fan

There are no "orthodox" David Icke fans

Anyone who truly understands Ickes work knows that desperate desire to classify for what it is:

An Oxymoron

[joffausy]

There are no "orthodox" David Icke fans
:cool: GOOD!. I guess that means that I can keep posting here without fear of penalty for not being one either, really its very pluralistic of David Icke I applaud him and delegated mods :)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.
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[bigus_dickus]

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these are all lies.. no one knows where jesus was from age 13 to 30. that's most of his life. all those lies are based in the bible, that says nothing about it.

the bible also, is not just one book. that's another lie, a much bigger one.

just saying it as it is.

[joffausy]

h1s_l0rdsh1p

:confused: .k so so your here to tell us they you have an anti christ agenda and wish to see christianity smashed as a belief system!.I must say how very democratic of you!:rolleyes:
So what would you like to see happen then, that hasnt already been stated thousands of times on this forum?"A satanic World state perhaps?". Lets see you answer this simple question nihilist!.

It seems your only reason for posting this section of the forum is to stirr there are enough moral relativists and athiests in the world as it is, infact its very mainstream and some of the most satanic types there are, have infiltrated churches already so there is nothing novel in what you are doing here anyway.However it is clear you wear your satanic motivations on your sleeve, your not even a smart anti christ :cool:

[seamus]

Bad form, joffausy... you say Satanic like it's a BAD thing. Satan never did anyone a bad turn. Try and find evidence that he did. All he said, was "you won't die [as soon as you eat that fruit]" in the Booble, the most confused collection of forgeries and plagiarism in existence. I don't think that scenario ever specifically happened just like that, but in principle it's true. (long explanation needed if you don't get what I am saying) Just remember this: "Perfect love casts out ALL (!) fear" That's another true thing from the Booble. Fear of Satan is one of the fears that love casts out! Love thy enemies, and you will soon find you don't really have any.

LOL

Say no to JHVH.. Uh, I mean... DRUGS! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Say NO to the controllers! Even the biggest one! He's just a mortal, evil thoughtform anyway. Mankind has truly "made" God in his own image. How fooking sick.

Love, Light, and... a herring!
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[pollock]

He, the name of this thread cracks me up every time!

F

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

h1s_l0rdsh1p

:confused: .k so so your here to tell us they you have an anti christ agenda and wish to see christianity smashed as a belief system!.I must say how very democratic of you!:rolleyes:
So what would you like to see happen then, that hasnt already been stated a thousands of times on this forum?"A satanic World state perhaps?". Lets see you answer this simple question nihilist!.

It seems your only reason for posting this section of the forum is to stirr there are enough moral relativists and athiests in the world as it is, infact its very mainstream and some of the most satanic types there are, have infiltrated churches already so there is nothing novel in what you are doing here anyway.However it is clear you wear your satanic motivations on your sleeve, your not even a smart anti christ :cool:


The biggest cause of atheism in the world, is christians. They go into the church praising God, and they walk out of the church acting just as the rest of the world.

Carmen is a christian singer. That was a quote of his from the album Jesus Freak by DC Talk. A christian band.

I use to be a bible going child until I was about 12 years old. I lost my faith because the story of the tower of babel, made absolutely no sense to me. And I will say, I was pissed at "god".

But I came to realize that I was only pissed with my self for not seeing past the stories. But no, to answer your question. I am not here to burn down the christian belief, nor to push for the "anti-christ" agenda. In fact, I don't like any religions to be honest. It's only a form of self confinement. However, since you're going to argue the Bible(the koran atleast poses some kind of challenge) I have a question for you.

Do you think God was being fair, when he banished Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden for eatting fruit which he said not to eat, when Adam and Eve didn't know that not listening to God was wrong in the first place?

Adam and Eve had no knowledge of right and wrong. They were told they would be like God. And since Adam and Eve were the first people ever "made", they wouldn't know what death is either. So, how were they to know that not listening to God was wrong?

[joffausy]

Bad form, joffausy... you say Satanic like it's a BAD thing. Satan never did anyone a bad turn. Try and find evidence that he did. All he said, was "you won't die [as soon as you eat that fruit]" in the Booble, the most confused collection of forgeries and plagiarism in existence.

seamus: Are you sure your a David Icke fan. Not even Icke believes that satan or minions are good he states that many times in his books.
Thats one of the reasons why he come up with the Reptilian idea to label demons lizards a more shocking means he believes of explaining or highlighting demons on their dimensional plane. So despite what you said about me knocking icke a few posts back it seems you are not such fan either.

As for the rest of your outright athiest, nihilist,gnostic,satanic pride filled(i can feel your ego swelling from here) diatribe keep it to yourself i care not for your lost path in life.However bare in mind when your physical body passes away your soul will melt in molten lake for all eternity consider that fate that is all i have to say you!.

Adam and Eve had no knowledge of right and wrong. They were told they would be like God. And since Adam and Eve were the first people ever "made", they wouldn't know what death is either. So, how were they to know that not listening to God was wrong?
Gensis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest therof thou shalt surely DIE!!

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I said:

Adam and Eve had no knowledge of right and wrong. They were told they would be like God. And since Adam and Eve were the first people ever "made", they wouldn't know what death is either. So, how were they to know that not listening to God was wrong?

So you say:


Gensis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest therof thou shalt surely DIE!!

.....




So, how did you answer my question?
You didn't answer anything, you only posted the base of my question.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

seamus: Are you sure your a David Icke fan. Not even Icke believes that satan or minions are good he states that many times in his books.
Thats one of the reasons why he come up with the Reptilian idea to label demons lizards a more shocking means he believes of explaining or highlighting demons on their dimensional plane. So despite what you said about me knocking icke a few posts back it seems you are not such fan either.

As for the rest of your outright athiest, nihilist,gnostic,satanic pride filled(i can feel your ego swelling from here) diatribe keep it to yourself i care not for your lost path in life.However bare in mind when your physical body passes away your soul will melt in molten lake for all eternity consider that fate that is all i have to say you!.



How dare you. How fucking dare you.

You want to know why so many people have a problem with christians?
Look at what you told in. In bold. How fucking dare you. That is not what "Christ" was suppose to be teaching.. (Or was he?)

Don't threaten another person on here with "eternal damnation". 90% of christians act just has you have stated in your last post.


Pathetic.

[timestop24]

seamus: Are you sure your a David Icke fan. Not even Icke believes that satan or minions are good he states that many times in his books.
Thats one of the reasons why he come up with the Reptilian idea to label demons lizards a more shocking means he believes of explaining or highlighting demons on their dimensional plane. So despite what you said about me knocking icke a few posts back it seems you are not such fan either.

As for the rest of your outright athiest, nihilist,gnostic,satanic pride filled(i can feel your ego swelling from here) diatribe keep it to yourself i care not for your lost path in life.However bare in mind when your physical body passes away your soul will melt in molten lake for all eternity consider that fate that is all i have to say you!.


Gensis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest therof thou shalt surely DIE!!

I don't think Icke believes in Satan. He calls things "satanic" in the sense that it runs counter to higher states of being, as in infinite love. And yes he really believes in literal Reptilians, not the other way around with demons figuritivly called Reptilians .


Gee thanks for the last part too. Keep your delusions to yourself please.:rolleyes:

[lumukanda]

yeah, i love how anyone who doesn't believe in jesus is 'lost', i'm quite happy being lost, our good friend will say 'ignorance is bliss' i'm sure, but i can't, and i really, truly mean this, i can't understand how anyone who claims to have done his homework can still believe this wondeful fabrication that is the christian myth.

[i am all i am]

seamus: Are you sure your a David Icke fan. Not even Icke believes that satan or minions are good he states that many times in his books.
Thats one of the reasons why he come up with the Reptilian idea to label demons lizards a more shocking means he believes of explaining or highlighting demons on their dimensional plane. So despite what you said about me knocking icke a few posts back it seems you are not such fan either.

As for the rest of your outright athiest, nihilist,gnostic,satanic pride filled(i can feel your ego swelling from here) diatribe keep it to yourself i care not for your lost path in life.However bare in mind when your physical body passes away your soul will melt in molten lake for all eternity consider that fate that is all i have to say you!.


Gensis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest therof thou shalt surely DIE!!

G'day Joffausy.

Please read the highlighted section of my previous post. I am now asking you this question and I would love to hear your reply.

With LOVE.

Originally Posted by i am all i am
Hello Alchemist2012,
Please understand that I believe that you are allowed to believe whatever it is that you so desire. This does not alter the fact that your beliefs are a total misunderstanding of what the bible (both new and old testaments) is. It is a tool of worshippers of the "SUN". The cult of sun worshipping is a religious tool to indoctrinate people into the worship of astrology. Jesus and his twelve disciples - The sun and the twelve star signs. The astrological chart is represented by a circle with an equidistant cross through it, where the sun is placed upon the cross (crucified). The cross represents the summer and winter solstices and the equinoxes. There are actually sixteen dying and resurrecting saviour gods prior to the story of jesus christ. All were symbolical of the same story/myth. They were all born of a virgin on the 25th of december. If you want more information about this, google Jordan Maxwell or go to the site truthbeknown.
"How well we know what a profitable fable this story of christ has been for us"
Pope Leo X.
If you still persist in this erroneous belief in the life of jesus christ and you profess to follow the word of jesus then...
"Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." Matthew 5:42.
Would you please give to me all the money that you have and every possession that you own ?
CHRISTIANITY

666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST,
ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS JOIN THE FEAST,
DENYING THE TRUTH THAT'S INSIDE,
SO THEIR ACTIONS THEY CAN HIDE.

THE CONVERSION OF ALL IS THE GOAL,
SO THEY CAN FEED UPON YOUR SOUL,
AND THE JOY OF LIFE BECOMES A COST,
FOR ALL IN FEAR TO BE LOST.

THE BLIND AND DEAF ALWAYS PREACH,
OF A PLACE THEY CANNOT REACH,
SO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT IS SAID,
FOR ALL GOOD CHRISTIANS WANT YOU DEAD.

BUT WHEN YOU SEE AND YOU HEAR,
ALL BECOMES PERFECTLY CLEAR,
FOR THEN IT IS THAT YOU WILL KNOW,
TO YOU LOVE WILL ALWAYS FLOW.

To get into heaven you must fist have died (by christian belief), so if you want me or anyone else to go to heaven, then you obviously want us dead.

DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY

THIS IS THE MOTTO OF OUR DAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY,
FOR A PREACHER PREACHED UNTO ME,
THE SEPERATION OF ETERNITY.

HE CALLED ME WEAK, HE CALLED ME A SINNER,
THEN HE TOLD THERE IS ONLY ONE WINNER,
THE SON OF GOD, HE IS GOD INCARNATE,
AND MORTAL MANS DEATH WAS HIS FATE.

HE DIED ON A CROSS TO ABSOLVE ALL SIN,
AND ONLY THEN DID OUR LIVES BEGIN,
THIS IS THE TRUTH, DON'T TURN AWAY,
DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

SO I ASKED A QUESTION TO BE SURE,
HE COULD SEE HIS STORY HAD A FLAW,
"IF ETERNAL GOD BE THE ONE HE BE,
HOW COULD DEATH BE HIS DESTINY?".

AND THEN HE TOLD ME HIS DEATH WAS A GIFT,
FOR THE SINS OF HUMANITY HE DID UPLIFT,
AND RESURRECTED TO SHOW THE PROOF,
THAT THIS STORY IS THE TRUTH.

AND AS HIS STORY PROVED HIS STORY,
HE SMILED AT ME WITH ALL GODS GLORY,
AND I LAUGHED AND SMILED TO SEE,
HE COULDN'T HIDE GOD INSIDE FROM ME.

NOW WITH WORDS HEARTFELT I DID SAY,
"THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME GOD TODAY",
THEN HE LOST HIS SMILE AND TURNED AWAY,
SAYING DON'T DO AS I DO, DO AS I SAY.

Alchemist2012, you are god, as I am, and every other person on this forum, and everything in creation is. ALL THAT IS is exactly that, ALL THAT IS. This includes you. You are the part of ALL THAT IS (God), that is choosing to re-present ALL THAT IS (God), through mind/body/soul. You have free will and can therefore express yourself as any aspect of ALL THAT IS (God). The original meaning of the word satan, in Hebrew, is accuser. By writing what you have written in your post you are being satan, an accuser. If this is how you desire to re-present ALL THAT IS (God), then I thank you for showing me your representation and wish you all the best in experiencing yourself as this.

With LOVE.

[tommi]

I think someone's just trying to wind you lot up :D

[bigus_dickus]

Do you think God was being fair, when he banished Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden for eatting fruit which he said not to eat, when Adam and Eve didn't know that not listening to God was wrong in the first place?

would it be fair to lock them up and not allow them their freedom of will to do wrong even if they don't know what they are doing?

when you are doing something for the first time, you are learning it. is there another way?

Adam and Eve had no knowledge of right and wrong. They were told they would be like God. And since Adam and Eve were the first people ever "made", they wouldn't know what death is either. So, how were they to know that not listening to God was wrong?

by doing it. it's really simple.

[queenreptile]

So if your not a christian your'e buggered then.............I dont think so

I wouldn't describe it in those terms...but you are correct. No one can come to the Father except through Christ.
Read the Gospel with a diciplined mind and God will speak to you through his Word and with Holy Ghost.
Please don't go chasing after the Demon inspired utterances of people who believe any old nonsence once they are left uneducated by negligent parents.

[queenreptile]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.
Thankyou for those wise words about our Lord and Saviour

[timestop24]

I wouldn't describe it in those terms...but you are correct. No one can come to the Father except through Christ.
Read the Gospel with a diciplined mind and God will speak to you through his Word and with Holy Ghost.
Please don't go chasing after the Demon inspired utterances of people who believe any old nonsence once they are left uneducated by negligent parents.

A Christian Reptilian. Why would you think I would believe you?;)

:D

[seamus]

Oh yippee! I get to dismember... er, disabuse another one! One thing you might not know about me, joffausy, and it's really OK, is that I was a superhyperturbo-christian only 3 little months ago. Before the good folks on this forum gently nudged the blinders aside for me. I may come across as nihilistic and Satanic. It is my style. I am a subverter. I really don't give a damn what you think. I have THAT much respect for you! If you can grasp that I _am_ sincere in saying I respect you, when I say that I don't give a damn what you think, then there may be hope for you. I'm not going to spoon-feed it to you though. Dig! Search! Learn, god damn you! He damned me, and I've felt better ever since!:D

seamus: Are you sure your a David Icke fan. Not even Icke believes that satan or minions are good he states that many times in his books.

Hey mate, guess what? David Icke ain't looking for FANS. And that's why I like him. He also states many times that he could give a SHIT for what you or anyone else thinks of his information. Did you get that bit? He is not a fucking CONTROLLER like your infanticidal rapist-king, YHWH.

Thats one of the reasons why he come up with the Reptilian idea to label demons lizards a more shocking means he believes of explaining or highlighting demons on their dimensional plane. So despite what you said about me knocking icke a few posts back it seems you are not such fan either.
Personally, I think you are mistaken about the reptilian thing. He is very sincere about it. I believe in shapeshifters, skin walkers, little people, and many, many more things that your puny western Christian mind cannot begin to conceive of. Now, concerning the agendas and motivations of the different kinds of shapeshifters and elementals (and don't forget the "aliens", some of whom are probably your descendants) with whom we "humans" deal, it is difficult to say anything with certainty. These beings have been decieving others (and ultimately themselves) for a very, very long time. Their end will and by universal law cannot be other than exactly what they deserve.

So you are right. I am not an Icke fan. So fucking what? I like him, and I like most of his information. I think he's off on a few things. Go talk to your Jesus (if you think he can talk back) if you want to talk to someone who knows it all. He was always a friggin' know-it-all who wanted to be master of all, anyway. The parable of the Talents/Minas exposes him for exactly what he is... a bad example. I am grateful for and love Jesus; for the bad example that he is. Without bad examples it would be a whole lot harder to learn the right way (respect, equanimity, no-strings love)

As for the rest of your outright athiest, nihilist,gnostic,satanic pride filled(i can feel your ego swelling from here) Mmmm... projections, anyone? Pride is the most deadly sin. You can know you have it when you consider yourself as better than another. ANY other. That includes (drumroll) SATAN! Remember? Perfect love casts out all fear! All, leaving none out. And remember also, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. I can tell you don't love Satan. So you are disobedient to Christ. You think he's going to save you when you haven't been suprasubmissively obedient to him? You are deluded. It's all about equality and upward evolution. Without these things we can never be friends.
diatribe keep it to yourself i care not for your lost path in life.However bare in mind when your physical body passes away your soul will melt in molten lake for all eternity consider that fate that is all i have to say you!.Yes, that's always how it is with YHWH. "You're either under me or against me, and those who are against me will PAY!" Autofellating freak. I'll take my chances, thanks. This is one ex-disciple who won't be calling hatred love anytime soon.


Gensis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest therof thou shalt surely DIE!!
Oh this is my freaking favorite! He plops them in the garden with no protection against the waiting evil. That fucking monster may as well have abandoned a baby in a dumpster to die. However, I don't believe that the history of that account is real. I believe it to be a fabrication. But the character of a god is known by his scripture, and this one's a goddamned Dr. Frankenstein. Next, please!

Love, Light and BIG FUCKING SKUNK BUDZ!

s

P.S. don't take anything overseriously. That's a prescription for insanity when the truth finally stares you in the face.

[i am all i am]

A Christian Reptilian. Why would you think I would believe you?;)

:D

G'day Timestop24.

And a queen reptile as well.

Would that be the Orion queen of reptiles ???

With LOVE.

[seamus]

Oh yeah, while I'm at it. I'll just mention that you are exhibiting an "us versus them" mindset. This mindset is also indicative of the infection called pride. The way I got rid of mine was I decided to find the devil and give his ass a piece of my mind. Instead what happened was he found me and exposed my pride to me. Because I am, at my core, a being who loves the truth, however painful it is, I was able to see the truth that I outlined in the previous post. If you want to try it.. just give it a shot. Start a vendetta against the devil. I can tell you with certainty that you will really be hating life for a while, but if you love the truth you will be triumphant.

Love, Light and the odd bisexual robot-girl,

s

[timestop24]

Oh yippee! I get to dismember... er, disabuse another one! One thing you might not know about me, joffausy, and it's really OK, is that I was a superhyperturbo-christian only 3 little months ago. Before the good folks on this forum gently nudged the blinders aside for me. I may come across as nihilistic and Satanic. It is my style. I am a subverter. I really don't give a damn what you think. I have THAT much respect for you! If you can grasp that I _am_ sincere in saying I respect you, when I say that I don't give a damn what you think, then there may be hope for you. I'm not going to spoon-feed it to you though. Dig! Search! Learn, god damn you! He damned me, and I've felt better ever since!:D


Hey mate, guess what? David Icke ain't looking for FANS. And that's why I like him. He also states many times that he could give a SHIT for what you or anyone else thinks of his information. Did you get that bit? He is not a fucking CONTROLLER like your infanticidal rapist-king, YHWH.


Personally, I think you are mistaken about the reptilian thing. He is very sincere about it. I believe in shapeshifters, skin walkers, little people, and many, many more things that your puny western Christian mind cannot begin to conceive of. Now, concerning the agendas and motivations of the different kinds of shapeshifters and elementals (and don't forget the "aliens", some of whom are probably your descendants) with whom we "humans" deal, it is difficult to say anything with certainty. These beings have been decieving others (and ultimately themselves) for a very, very long time. Their end will and by universal law cannot be other than exactly what they deserve.

So you are right. I am not an Icke fan. So fucking what? I like him, and I like most of his information. I think he's off on a few things. Go talk to your Jesus (if you think he can talk back) if you want to talk to someone who knows it all. He was always a friggin' know-it-all who wanted to be master of all, anyway. The parable of the Talents/Minas exposes him for exactly what he is... a bad example. I am grateful for and love Jesus; for the bad example that he is. Without bad examples it would be a whole lot harder to learn the right way (respect, equanimity, no-strings love)
Mmmm... projections, anyone? Pride is the most deadly sin. You can know you have it when you consider yourself as better than another. ANY other. That includes (drumroll) SATAN! Remember? Perfect love casts out all fear! All, leaving none out. And remember also, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. I can tell you don't love Satan. So you are disobedient to Christ. You think he's going to save you when you haven't been suprasubmissively obedient to him? You are deluded. It's all about equality and upward evolution. Without these things we can never be friends.
Yes, that's always how it is with YHWH. "You're either under me or against me, and those who are against me will PAY!" Autofellating freak. I'll take my chances, thanks. This is one ex-disciple who won't be calling hatred love anytime soon.



Oh this is my freaking favorite! He plops them in the garden with no protection against the waiting evil. That fucking monster may as well have abandoned a baby in a dumpster to die. However, I don't believe that the history of that account is real. I believe it to be a fabrication. But the character of a god is known by his scripture, and this one's a goddamned Dr. Frankenstein. Next, please!

Love, Light and BIG FUCKING SKUNK BUDZ!

s

P.S. don't take anything overseriously. That's a prescription for insanity when the truth finally stares you in the face.

Reminds me of the would-be king george saying the same thing in the bold.

Its good to have you back seamus!:)

[seamus]

Reminds me of the would-be king george saying the same thing in the bold.

Its good to have you back seamus!:)

Thank you, timestop24. It is GREAT to BE back! Incidentally, I wasn't thinking of boy George until after I had composed most of the sentence. This theme is the most consistent one throughout the controller-story.

Love, Light, and cute little fuzzy bunny-wabbits! Hail Astarte!

s

[timestop24]

G'day Timestop24.

And a queen reptile as well.

Would that be the Orion queen of reptiles by ???

With LOVE.


I wonder who's the king?:p

[seamus]

ME! Shhh... don't tell anyone. It's a secret. If you tell, I'll have to...

Isn't Orion where the nice greys come from? I mean the ones who emanate pity and disgust and occasionally compassion.

Love, Light, and Utter Lack of Compromise

s

[bigus_dickus]

here is something to keep you busy for a while

The Thunder: Perfect Mind
(CG VI.2:13,1-21,32)
Translation copyright 2000 Anne McGuire; all rights reserved. (http://www.stoa.org/diotima/anthology/copyright.shtml)

I was sent from the Power
And I have come to those who think upon me.
And I was found among those who seek after me (13,2-5) .

Look at me, you who think upon me;
And you hearers, hear me!
You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves.
And do not pursue me from your vision.
And do not make your sound hate me, nor your hearing.
Do not be ignorant of me at any place or any time.
Be on guard!
Do not be ignorant of me. (13,5-15).

For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored and the scorned,
I am the harlot and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the m[oth]er and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.

I am the barren one and the one with many children.
I am she whose marriage is multiple, and I have not taken a husband.
I am the midwife and she who does not give birth.
I am the comforting of my labor pains.

I am the bride and the bridegroom.
It is my husband who begot me.
I am the mother of my father and the sister of my husband.
And he is my offspring.
I am the servant of him who prepared me and I am the lord of my offspring.
But he is the one who be[got me] before time on a day of birth and he is my offspring in time, and my power is from him.
I am the staff of his power in his youth and he is the rod of my old age.
And whatever he wills happens to me.

I am the incomprehensible silence and the much-remembered thought.
I am the voice of many sounds and the utterance (logos) of many forms.
I am the utterance of my name (13,15-14,15).

Why, you who hate me, do you love me
And hate those who love me?
You who deny me, confess me,
And you who confess me, deny me.
You who speak the truth about me, tell lies about me,
And you who have told lies about me, speak the truth about me.
You who know me, become ignorant of me; and may those who have been ignorant of me come to know me (14,15-25).

For I am knowledge and ignorance.
I am shame and boldness.
I am unashamed, I am ashamed.
I am strength and I am fear.
I am war and peace (14,26-32).

Give heed to me (14,32-33)..

I am the disgraced and the exalted one (14,33-34)..

Give heed to my poverty and my wealth.
Do not be haughty to me when I am discarded upon the earth,

And you will find me among [those] that are to come.

And do not look upon me on the garbage-heap and go and leave me discarded.

And you will find me in the kingdoms.

And do not look upon me when I am discarded among those who are disgraced and in the least places,
And then laugh at me.
And do not cast me down among those who are slain in severity (14,34-15,14).

But as for me, I am merciful and I am cruel (15,15-16).

Be on guard!
Do not hate my obedience,
And do not love my self-control in my weakness.
Do not forsake me,
And do not be afraid of my power.

Why then do you despise my fear
And curse my pride? (15,16-24).

I am she who exists in all fears and boldness in trembling.
I am she who is weak, and I am well in pleasure of place.
I am foolish and I am wise (15,25-31).

Why have you hated me in your counsels?

(Is it) because I shall be silent among those who are silent,
And I shall appear and speak?

Why then have you hated me, you Greeks?
Because I am a non-Greek among non-Greeks? (15,31-16,3).

For I am the Wisdom of Greeks
And the Gnosis of non-Greeks.
I am judgment for Greeks and non-Greeks.
I am the one whose image is multiple in Egypt.
And the one who has no image among non-Greeks.

I am she who has been hated everywhere and who has been loved everywhere.

I am she who is called Life and you have called Death.
I am she who is called Law and you have called Lawlessness.

I am the one you have pursued, and I am the one you have restrained.
I am the one you have scattered and you have gathered me together.
Before me you have been ashamed and you have been unashamed with me.

I am she who observes no festival and I am she whose festivals are many.
I, I am godless and I am she whose God is multiple.

I am the one upon whom you have thought and whom you have scorned.
I am unlearned, and it is from me they learn.

I am she whom you have despised and upon whom you think.
I am the one from whom you have hidden and to whom you are manifest.
But whenever you hide yourselves, I myself will be manifest.
For whenever you are manifest, I myself [will hide f]rom you.

Those who have [... ]
[...]
[...] senselessly

Take me [...] [underst]anding out of pain,
and receive me to yourselves out of understanding [and] pain.
Receive me to yourselves out of disgraceful places and contrition.
And seize me from those which are good even though in disgrace.
Out of shame, receive me to yourselves in shamelessness.
And out of shamelessness and shame, blame my members among yourselves.
And come forward to me, you who know me and who know my members.
Establish the great ones among the small first creatures.

Come forward to childhood and do not despise it because it is little and small.
And do not bring back some greatnesses in parts from smallnesses,
for the smallnesses are known from the greatnesses.

Why do you curse me and honor me?
You have wounded and you have had mercy.

Do not separate me from the first ones whom you have k[nown.
And] do not cast anyone [out
and do not] bring anyone back [...]
...brought you back
and ... [kno]w him not (17,4-18,5).

[I...] what is mine
[...] I know the fi[rst ones] and those after them know me.
But I am the [perfect] mind and the repose of the [...]
I am the gnosis of my seeking, and the finding of those who seek after me.
And the command of those who ask of me.

And the power of the powers by my gnosis
of the angels who have been sent by my logos,
And the gods in their seasons by my command,
And it is with me that the spirits of all humans exist,
and it is within me that women exist.

I am she who is honored and praised and who is despised scornfully.
I am peace and because of me war has come to be.
And I am an alien and a citizen.
I am substance and she who has no substance.
Those who come into being from my synousia are ignorant of me,
And those who are in my substance know me.

Those who are close to me have been ignorant of me
And those who are far from me have known me. (18,6-35).

On the day when I am close to [you, you] are far away [from me
And] on the day when I [am far away] from you, [I am] [close] to you.
I [am] [....] within.
[I..] ..... of the natures.
I am [......] of the creation of spirits ....request of the souls. (18,35-19,8). [I am} restraint and unrestraint.
I am union and dissolution.
I am the abiding and I am the loosing.
I am descent and they come up to me.
I am the judgment and the acquittal.
I, I am sinless and the root of sin is from me.
I am desire in appearance and self-control of the heart exists within me.

I am the hearing which is attainable to everyone and the ungraspable utterance.
I am a non-speaking mute and great is my multitude of utterances (19,9-25).

Hear me in softness and learn from me in harshness. (19,25-27).

I am she who cries out,
And I am cast out upon the face of the earth.
I prepare the bread and my mind within.
I am the gnosis of my name.
I am she who cries out and I am the one who listens.

I appear an[d...] walk in [...]
seal of my [...]...[sign] of the
I am [...] the defense.
I am she who is cal[led] Truth. And violence [...] (19,28-20,8).

You honor me [...] and you whisper against [me].
You who are defeated,
judge them before they pass judgment against you.
For the judge and partiality exist within you.
If you are condemned by this, who will acquit you?
Or if you are acquitted by him, who will be able to restrain you?

For what is inside of you is what is outside of you.
And the one who molded you on the outside has made an impression of it inside of you.
And that which you see outside of you,
you see inside of you.
It is manifest and it is your garment.

Hear me, listeners, and be taught my utterances, you who know me! (20,9-28)

I am the hearing that is acceptable in every matter;
I am the utterance that cannot be restrained.
I am the name of the voice and the voice of the name.
I am the sign of writing and the manifestation of difference.

And I ...
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[...] light [...] and [...]
[...] listeners [...] you.

[...] the great power.
And [...] will not move the name.
[...] the one who created me.
But I shall speak his name (20,28-21,11).

Behold, then, his utterances and all the writings that have been completed.
Give heed, then, listeners, and you also, angels,
And those who have been sent,
And you spirits who have arisen from the dead, (21,12-18).

For I am the one who alone exists,
And I have no one who will judge me. (21,18-20).

For many are the sweet forms that exist in numerous sins
And unrestrained acts and disgraceful passions, and temporal pleasures,
Which are restrained until they become sober
And run up to their place of rest.
And they will find me there,
And they will live and they will not die again (21,20-32).

[i am all i am]

I wonder who's the king?:p

"I am the lizard King,
I can do anything."

- Jim Morrison.

Is this the answer ???

Mmmmmmm......that would have to involve necrophilia......unless he has re-incarnated.

With LOVE.

[3ill]

I masturbate to images of Jesus. He's sexyfied.

[i am all i am]

I masturbate to images of Jesus. He's sexyfied.

http://prayerthoughts.com/Images/Animated_jesus_resurrection_clouds_heaven_hg_clr.g if

There you go 3ill. Knock yourself out.



With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

As for the rest of your outright athiest, nihilist,gnostic,satanic pride filled(i can feel your ego swelling from here) diatribe keep it to yourself i care not for your lost path in life.However bare in mind when your physical body passes away your soul will melt in molten lake for all eternity consider that fate that is all i have to say you!.


Gensis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest therof thou shalt surely DIE!!

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With LOVE.

[pollock]

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With LOVE.

LOL, yes, the looooord be with you (or he will poke your eyes out with hot needles and damn you to eternal limbo if you dont do as he says:) )

A molten lake btw??? As apposed to a frozen one then or what?
And keep it to yourself????
What makes you think we care about your lost path in life then, joffausy? Why don't you keep it to yourself and thus live like you preach??
Oh, I forgot you are the choosen one and your path is the only one, all others will swim around in molten lakes for all eternity!

:)
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[3ill]

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There you go 3ill. Knock yourself out.



With LOVE.

Mmmmmmmm......fertile, plush cloudness.

Seriously though, once the virtual reality wave hits, how many people do you think would have sexual fantasies about jesus, and use simulators to experience this. Sort of like that scene in Minority Report. I mean we all know people have weird sex fantasies, and someone has to have that one.

Yeah these are some of the things I think about.

[i am all i am]

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I am not lost you clueless whore YOU are lost!.


:mad: Putting words in my mouth are you! Nevermind i will definately be leaving this BROTHEL of forum leave you scum to ravage between your freaking abominable FUCKED UP SELFS ( Yes i said it as christian because thats exactly the state most of you are in I DONT turn the cheek with satans spawn) which is exaclty what many of you are.
None except for DD or Japanese women( the most polite) cant even reply civily or without gutter language not to mention you all have your brains in up your asses. It is clear YOU people are the satan molesting scum so GO DIE all of you scum your are the PROBLEM.
If i want to know where to find the freaks responsible for the fucked up things in this world. I know all have to do is come to David Ickes bogus charade ROT AND BURN ALL OF YOU SCUM in this thread that behave like animals!.:mad:

Senior Moderator here by degregister my username I no longer want to be be part of your THELMITE fan club charade!!.:mad: And ONCE MORE a BIG FUCK YOU TO ALL YOU SCUM!.

Who "cant even reply civily or without gutter language " ???

And here is the understanding of the 'turn the other cheek' message......

" Joshua raised his left hand. "Two thousand years ago, before toilet paper was invented, people used their left hands to clean themselves. They'd then dip their fingers into a bowl of water to clean them, but their left hands were never really clean and they knew it. You know that?"
"I never thought about it," Paul said, dizzied by the sudden change of topic.
"It's true," Joshua said, putting his hand back on the arm of his chair. "In fact, it's still that way in most of the Third World. Today, this is how about four billion people live, without toilet paper. And in those lands today, as back then in Israel, the most terrible and vicious way you could insult a person would be to touch him with your left hand. Even gesturing with the left hand was banned in most societies. Among the Jewish Essenes, gesturing with the left hand would earn you a week's banishment from the community. And if you wanted to really insult somebody, to totally humiliate him, particularly in public, you would slap him with your left hand. You understand?"
"Yes," Paul said. "Like giving somebody the finger today."
"More like giving them the finger and spitting in their face," Joshua said. "Or throwing urine on them. Remember where that hand was. You'd only do that to a person you knew couldn't retaliate, right?"
"Unless you wanted your butt kicked."
"Right. So slapping somebody with your left hand, in ancient Roman society, was both the ultimate insult,and also something that was only done to the most powerless people. The Jews whose land was occupied by the Romans, for example. There was no recourse for them, unless it was to punch that person, which would mean they'd get the death penalty for hitting a Roman citizen. You understand?"
"Yes," Paul said.
"Unless they could get that Roman to hit them with his right hand, which meant that a fight was engaged. Then they'd be justified to fight back. But the Romans didn't hit slaves with their right hands, they insulted them by slapping them with their left hands and then laughed at the humiliated slave who couldn't slap back."
"Got it."
"So," Joshua said, "which cheek would I strike you on if I wanted to humiliate you by slapping your face with my unclean left hand?"
Paul looked at Joshua's left hand, and then visualised it moving through the air, imagining where Joshua's left palm would fall. "You'd hit my right cheek if you swung your left hand."
"The ultimate vicious and humiliating insult, hitting your right cheek with my left hand,"
"Yes."
"And if you then challenged me to hit you with my right hand, that would be a challenge to my authority if I was a slave holder or a powerful person in your society, right?"
"Absolutely. You'd be saying, 'If you have any courage, you'll start a legal fight with me where I can fight back. You'll hit me with your right hand. I dare you'"
"And yet it would not be hitting back, it would be merely exposing the evil of the left-handed slap for what it was."
"I understand," Paul said.
Joshua said, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That resist not evil with evil: but whosoever shall smite the on thy right cheek, turn and offer him the other also."

'The Greatest Spiritual Secret of the Century', by Thom Hartmann, pages 161, 162, 163 and 164.

It may be a good idea to understand your scriptures before you decide to preach them.


With LOVE.

[pollock]

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I am not lost you clueless whore YOU are lost!.


:mad: Putting words in my mouth are you! Nevermind i will definately be leaving this BROTHEL of forum leave you scum to ravage between your freaking abominable FUCKED UP SELFS ( Yes i said it as christian because thats exactly the state most of you are in I DONT turn the cheek with satans spawn) which is exaclty what many of you are.
None except for DD or Japanese women( the most polite) cant even reply civily or without gutter language not to mention you all have your brains in up your asses. It is clear YOU people are the satan molesting scum so GO DIE all of you scum your are the PROBLEM.
If i want to know where to find the freaks responsible for the fucked up things in this world. I know all have to do is come to David Ickes bogus charade ROT AND BURN ALL OF YOU SCUM in this thread that behave like animals!.:mad:

Senior Moderator here by degregister my username I no longer want to be be part of your THELMITE fan club charade!!.:mad: And ONCE MORE a BIG FUCK YOU TO ALL YOU SCUM!.


Let it be heard, here are the words of a true believer:D
God must be proud of you now!
I think this is applicable here:
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[i am all i am]

Let it be heard, here are the words of a true believer:D
God must be proud of you now!
I think this is applicable here:
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High five for you Pollock, you hit the nail on the head, applause to you gorgeous.


With LOVE.

[3ill]

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I am not lost you clueless whore YOU are lost!.


:mad: Putting words in my mouth are you! Nevermind i will definately be leaving this BROTHEL of forum leave you scum to ravage between your freaking abominable FUCKED UP SELFS ( Yes i said it as christian because thats exactly the state most of you are in I DONT turn the cheek with satans spawn) which is exaclty what many of you are.
None except for DD or Japanese women( the most polite) cant even reply civily or without gutter language not to mention you all have your brains in up your asses. It is clear YOU people are the satan molesting scum so GO DIE all of you scum your are the PROBLEM.
If i want to know where to find the freaks responsible for the fucked up things in this world. I know all have to do is come to David Ickes bogus charade ROT AND BURN ALL OF YOU SCUM in this thread that behave like animals!.:mad:

Senior Moderator here by degregister my username I no longer want to be be part of your THELMITE fan club charade!!.:mad: And ONCE MORE a BIG FUCK YOU TO ALL YOU SCUM!.

Yes my friend. I'm afraid you've sussed us out. We are the true manipulators behind the evil in this world. I myself appear to others as a lowly comic book artist from WV, but in actuality I have wormed my way through the power structures to take root in the center of the system, and spread my evil seed form there. It is true that we aren't human and our unique species has survived by keeping our highly powerful and evil brains where no one would suspect; in our asses. I don't take kindly to you badmouthing our brothel though. It's a family owned business, owned and operated since before we were birthed into this universe by the queef of Queen Semiramis, which ripped a hole through time and space, and introduced us to your fertile, peace-loving planet. You are correct in assuming we rape satan, it's our brothel's biggest attraction, if you can get past the burning.

3'LL

[pollock]

It is true that we aren't human and our unique species has survived by keeping our highly powerful and evil brains where no one would suspect; in our asses.
3'LL

LOL

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[i am all i am]

Yes my friend. I'm afraid you've sussed us out. We are the true manipulators behind the evil in this world. I myself appear to others as a lowly comic book artist from WV, but in actuality I have wormed my way through the power structures to take root in the center of the system, and spread my evil seed form there. It is true that we aren't human and our unique species has survived by keeping our highly powerful and evil brains where no one would suspect; in our asses. I don't take kindly to you badmouthing our brothel though. It's a family owned business, owned and operated since before we were birthed into this universe by the queef of Queen Semiramis, which ripped a hole through time and space, and introduced us to your fertile, peace-loving planet. You are correct in assuming we rape satan, it's our brothel's biggest attraction, if you can get past the burning.

3'LL

Yep.....and I told Gatesy to watch out or he would burn...http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2357/cartoon1ll6.gif...but he didn't listen, did he.

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

And here is the understanding of the 'turn the other cheek' message......

since i was little, i always understood this as forgiveness versus revenge and it made a lot of sense.

i don't "know" those people who understand the "turn the other cheek" as being a wuss or an easy target or something. i know them, but i don't recognize them.

it is by no means offering a target to the "evil" ones, for they are only looking from their side of the mirror. if you think like they do, you are looking from the same side.

[bigus_dickus]

joffausy Senior Moderator here by degregister my username I no longer want to be be part of your THELMITE fan club charade!!. And ONCE MORE a BIG FUCK YOU TO ALL YOU SCUM!.

i have a question for you: is this who you really are?

too bad you can't reply now, as you got banned like this, it wasn't necessary.

do come back though... although i don't need an answer to this question, perhaps you do.

ps. christian orthodox here, not in the conventional sense.

[i am all i am]

since i was little, i always understood this as forgiveness versus revenge and it made a lot of sense.

i don't "know" those people who understand the "turn the other cheek" as being a wuss or an easy target or something. i know them, but i don't recognize them.

it is by no means offering a target to the "evil" ones, for they are only looking from their side of the mirror. if you think like they do, you are looking from the same side.

G'day Bigus Dickus.

Am I coorect in understanding that you would allow someone to hit you again after already having hit you ??? That is, turn the other cheek.

If so, I'd like to know why you would allow someone to damage your 'spacesuit', or your vehicle, through which you experience life. If you love both yourself and the 'other' (you) unconditionally, realising that what you give out you get back, to allow them to continue to give out violence, you would be also allowing them to get it back, as well as allowing yourself (your vehicle) to be damaged. It has nothing to do with revenge to defend yourself. Also, the other isn't evil. They merely misunderstand that you are both one and that they are only damaging themselves.

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

G'day Bigus Dickus.

Am I coorect in understanding that you would allow someone to hit you again after already having hit you ??? That is, turn the other cheek.

i would.

If so, I'd like to know why you would allow someone to damage your 'spacesuit', or your vehicle, through which you experience life. If you love both yourself and the 'other' (you) unconditionally, realising that what you give out you get back, to allow them to continue to give out violence, you would be also allowing them to get it back, as well as allowing yourself (your vehicle) to be damaged. It has nothing to do with revenge to defend yourself. Also, the other isn't evil. They merely misunderstand that you are both one and that they are only damaging themselves.

nothing would be damaged.

i have no thought in my mind on my reaction to such a situation. no preconceived idea, no scenario that gets played over and over, no permanent need for defense or attack, no intention to hurt physically or mentally myself or anyone else.

therefore, i am not predictable. you will never know what i am going to do. you will not expect me to strike back, or to offer you another strike. you have absolutely no idea what i would do and i don't either.

however, this is only a metaphor and it does not refer to a dogfight. it is about what goes on in your mind, mostly.

so, don't let yourself get the wrong idea, don't get any idea. the only idea i present here, is that reaction to an action and not thought and action out of a peaceful mind does not serve me at all and is completely insane.

[i am all i am]

i would. If you would not strike another, why would you allow another to strike you. Defense of the self is an act of unconditional love, as defense of another being attacked would be. It is unnecessary to use physical force as a bully, the vast majority of the times, will look to avoid a fight with someone that is willing to defend themselves. Personally, I haven't had to fight, although I have been threatened with physical violence, because I am willing to defend my physicality.

nothing would be damaged. If you have allowed someone to strike you, then you have been damaged physically from the strike, and mentally from having your free will taken away from you (although you have allowed that to happen).

i have no thought in my mind on my reaction to such a situation. no preconceived idea, no scenario that gets played over and over, no permanent need for defense or attack, no intention to hurt physically or mentally myself or anyone else.

therefore, i am not predictable. you will never know what i am going to do. you will not expect me to strike back, or to offer you another strike. you have absolutely no idea what i would do and i don't either. Your body language can easily be read, and therefore, you can be "predicted" in how you will act as acting IS the bodies language.

however, this is only a metaphor and it does not refer to a dogfight. it is about what goes on in your mind, mostly. Actually it is a combination of thought, word and action that creates, not merely the mind.

so, don't let yourself get the wrong idea, don't get any idea. the only idea i present here, is that reaction to an action and not thought and action out of a peaceful mind does not serve me at all and is completely insane. Insanity is continually choosing the same thoughts, words and actions and expecting a different result.

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

If you would not strike another, why would you allow another to strike you.

why not? i am not saying that i can't block or receive any attack, i am saying i am allowing another to do what they feel like.

Defense of the self is an act of unconditional love, as defense of another being attacked would be. It is unnecessary to use physical force as a bully, the vast majority of the times, will look to avoid a fight with someone that is willing to defend themselves. Personally, I haven't had to fight, although I have been threatened with physical violence, because I am willing to defend my physicality.

well said. your capability to defend your physicality is enhanced when there is no made-up fear in your mind.

If you have allowed someone to strike you, then you have been damaged physically from the strike, and mentally from having your free will taken away from you (although you have allowed that to happen).

this is not the case. you don't know the proportions of damage that will derive from a continuation of violence. you are never going to be able to tell where it will end when you strike back like an automaton.

you are just being the other's mirror and present him with himself doing that. he fully recognizes it and knows what to do. you have never thought of or offered a different scenario, a different response and he hasn't either. if you do, even for once, you might both learn something.

Your body language can easily be read, and therefore, you can be "predicted" in how you will act as acting IS the bodies language.

are you sure that a vengeful person full of rage and fear is able to read body language? i don't think so. but if they can, i am sure i will know how to deal with it.

however, if they do have peace of mind in such a situation to be able to read body language, then all my moves will be predicted and then it will be a matter of whose will or strength is greater. but, i am not even getting to that extreme, there is no reason.

Actually it is a combination of thought, word and action that creates, not merely the mind.

ha! isn't there any order? do you shoot first, ask questions later? what for?

Insanity is continually choosing the same thoughts, words and actions and expecting a different result.

well, ain't that my whole point.

[i am all i am]

this is not the case. you don't know the proportions of damage that will derive from a continuation of violence. you are never going to be able to tell where it will end when you strike back like an automaton.

are you sure that a vengeful person full of rage and fear is able to read body language? i don't think so. but if they can, i am sure i will know how to deal with it.

I didn't say anything about striking back. When you know what you are doing it is completely unnecessary.

An attack is not always carried out from rage. Is a professionally trained soldier acting from rage when they attack ?

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

An attack is not always carried out from rage. Is a professionally trained soldier acting from rage when they attack ?

are you trying to justify your opinion?

we are not talking about the master of kung fu here, versus a baby. we're off the subject. the conversation can't go on from here.

[i am all i am]

are you trying to justify your opinion?

we are not talking about the master of kung fu here, versus a baby. we're off the subject. the conversation can't go on from here.

There is no need for me to "justify" anything.

It was a simple question, not an "opinion". If you do not wish to answer it that's cool.

Why ask a question if you think that the conversation cannot go on from here ???

As you say it, for you shall it be. For you the conversation cannot go on from here. Is this your "opinion" ??? or is it a way for you to "justify" you not continuing the conversation as I am still answering your question ???

With LOVE.

[queenreptile]

if god could redeem mankind why didnt he just do it withoout sending himself disguised as his son to ultimately be nailed cto a stick there is something quite masochistic about this way of saving the world but he always come across as a bit of a control freak the fall of man was a bit of a harsh punishment for eating an apple.

In answer to your sarcastic question, God didn't send himself in disguise- learn your catechism and subject before commenting on what you don't know.
God is an exact judge even against himself:a perfect life for a perfect life ; how else was the ransom to be paid?
Masochism? I think not:more pure love. "what greater love than this, that a man gives his life for his friends?
P.S Read your Bible - It wasn't an apple.

[bigus_dickus]

There is no need for me to "justify" anything.

It was a simple question, not an "opinion". If you do not wish to answer it that's cool.

Why ask a question if you think that the conversation cannot go on from here ???

As you say it, for you shall it be. For you the conversation cannot go on from here. Is this your "opinion" ??? or is it a way for you to "justify" you not continuing the conversation as I am still answering your question ???

With LOVE.

:) of course

i will answer your question, but i am clarifying that this has little to do with what jesus was talking about, as it is a different case. for one, a professionally trained soldier is in my view conditioned to think that he is acting of good will and that it is ok. i can't argue with his beliefs.
second, a professional soldier is never out to slap you on the face, but to eliminate you.

i'll answer with an example. say that you hire a professional sniper to smoke my ass without me having any knowledge about it. i would be dead before i would know i was dead and i mean that literally. and all i would have to do is accept the situation that i am dead and move on. it will be so.

however i am not investing any emotion in that thought, i just don't think it and i am not "randomly" scared that such thing might happen to me, therefore i don't attract that possibility to my reality. however, if it ever happens, it will be so. i think you know exactly what i mean, as this is probably the case for you too.

lets suppose you are a soldier too and you just got yourself into a situation that you are in a room alone with one of the enemy soldiers. you point your guns to each other and each of you are left with only one bullet. you stare at each others eyes for 2 seconds and he fires. the bullet finds you on your thigh (clumsy shooter), leaves from the other side and there you are, not having moved that much, still holding your gun against that helpless man. your choice?

lets suppose that you have full clips and you just stare at each other unable to decide the first shot. your choice?

lets suppose he shoots first and misses you and then stops. your choice?

but, i don't like to make things complicated. so i will simplify them.


suppose you are having a fight with one of your friends whom you love and he is going through some personal troubles, that "he is not himself" lately. and he just snaps and punches you on the chin. what will you do?

suppose you are having a fight with some stranger, he punches you, you strike back.

- he punches back. are you going to continue?

- who will throw the last punch?

- when will the last punch be thrown?

- when will you throw your last punch?

- what will the situation be after all the fight and the punching is over?

- how likely is it that you are going to fight again the next day?

- how likely is it that you are either never going to encounter that person again, or become best friends?

i have a simple mind, i like simple stuff :)

[lumukanda]

i think the question is why didn't god just absolve man's sins without having to nail some poor guy on a cross? blood sacrifice maybe? yaweh was always quite fond of those, like the one where he made some guy sacrifice his own son, then at the last moment say, ok, it's all cool. talk about trauma!

[i am all i am]

In answer to your sarcastic question, God didn't send himself in disguise- learn your catechism and subject before commenting on what you don't know.
God is an exact judge even against himself:a perfect life for a perfect life ; how else was the ransom to be paid?
Masochism? I think not:more pure love. "what greater love than this, that a man gives his life for his friends?
P.S Read your Bible - It wasn't an apple.

"How well we know what a profitable fable this superstition of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."

- Pope Leo X.


With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

:) of course

i will answer your question, but i am clarifying that this has little to do with what jesus was talking about, as it is a different case. for one, a professionally trained soldier is in my view conditioned to think that he is acting of good will and that it is ok. i can't argue with his beliefs.

Maybe it would be of benefit for you to read 'The Bible Fraud', by Tony Bushby. I don't have a copy of 'The Bible Fraud' anymore, but here is a quote from 'The Crucifixion of Truth', page 82.

"He (Constantine) determined that the names of his two first century descendants Jesu Cunobeline and Judas Krestus be joined as one, Jesu Krestus, and that would be the official name of the new Roman God. A vote was subsequently taken and it was with a majority show of hands that both men became one God...161 votes to 157."
Judas Krestus is the one that raised rebellion against the Romans and it is to him that the previous passage is attributed.


second, a professional soldier is never out to slap you on the face, but to eliminate you.

Would this include the American soldiers that are torturing (not killing) iraqui people ???

i'll answer with an example. say that you hire a professional sniper to smoke my ass without me having any knowledge about it. i would be dead before i would know i was dead and i mean that literally. and all i would have to do is accept the situation that i am dead and move on. it will be so.

however i am not investing any emotion in that thought, i just don't think it and i am not "randomly" scared that such thing might happen to me, therefore i don't attract that possibility to my reality. however, if it ever happens, it will be so. i think you know exactly what i mean, as this is probably the case for you too.

lets suppose you are a soldier too and you just got yourself into a situation that you are in a room alone with one of the enemy soldiers. you point your guns to each other and each of you are left with only one bullet. you stare at each others eyes for 2 seconds and he fires. the bullet finds you on your thigh (clumsy shooter), leaves from the other side and there you are, not having moved that much, still holding your gun against that helpless man. your choice?

lets suppose that you have full clips and you just stare at each other unable to decide the first shot. your choice?

lets suppose he shoots first and misses you and then stops. your choice?

but, i don't like to make things complicated. so i will simplify them.

suppose you are having a fight with one of your friends whom you love and he is going through some personal troubles, that "he is not himself" lately. and he just snaps and punches you on the chin. what will you do?

Funny that you mention this, because it was an experience of mine when I was in Cardiff. A friend actually punched me on the chin because he had been lied to by someone else about me saying something. I had become friends with Mike Butcher (Wayne was his real name, and he didn't tell me his surname) before he told me that he was the sixth most wanted man in South Africa for shooting and killing a millionaire. He had connections and got bail at court and was on a plane an hour later and had been on the run for nine years at that time. Someone else that knew about his past had said that I had talked to them about it. Totally untrue. I didn't hit back, but I did tell him not to hit me again. He didn't and we talked. He realised the truth of the matter and apologised for hitting me and even offered for me to punch him on the chin to even the score. I declined.

suppose you are having a fight with some stranger, he punches you, you strike back. As you have said, not my reality. I'll answer the following questions from the above experience for you, well the ones that relate to the experience.

- he punches back. are you going to continue?

- who will throw the last punch? There was only the one punch, the first and the last.

- when will the last punch be thrown? Ditto.

- when will you throw your last punch? I didn't throw any.

- what will the situation be after all the fight and the punching is over? We were great friends for another two years, until I came back to Australia.

- how likely is it that you are going to fight again the next day? We never faught again.

- how likely is it that you are either never going to encounter that person again, or become best friends?

i have a simple mind, i like simple stuff :)

INTRODUCTION

Real issues withheld from the people

This book presents an overview of the Christian church's untruthful presentation of the story of Jesus Christ and was initiated by the discovery of ancient scrolls in secret Vatican archives. It states its proofs and demonstrates from historical records, ecclesiastical confessions, archival manuscripts, oldest Bibles, published church admissions and acknowledged academic authorities, that:
1. The New Testament, in the strictest legal and moralsense, is a forgery; every Gospel and booklet it carries is falsified; and significant passages upon which the fabric of the church and its principal dogmas were founded are fictitious narratives.
2. Christianity originated and flourished on dishonesty, false pretence, deception, and feigned piety, and in ensuing centuries its leaders industriously engaged in the cover-up of information that exposed the real nature of clergy and their false doctrine.
3. Church history was knowingly falsified with deliberate fabrication of a whole Christian literature, manipulated to hide the true nature of Christian beginings; the church concealed the essence of the truth of its origins and matters where self-interest of the priesthood were concerned; and for 1700 years perpetrated the frauds herein revealed, and was their chief beneficiary.

- The Crucifiction of Truth, by Tony Bushby, page 22.


'The Bible Fraud', 'The Secret in the Bible' and 'Crucifixion of Truth' are books by Tony Bushby.

"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."
- Pope Leo X.
The Mount Sinai Bible is the oldest know bible, and there are over 14, 800 mistakes and differences betwwen the bibles in circulation today and the Mount Sinai Bible.

"And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him two". Roman soldiers and citizens, by law, were allowed to force a resident of an ocupied country to carry something for up to a mile. The soldier or citizen could lose their citizenship, becoming a slave, if they forced the resident to carry anything for more than a mile, under the anti-exploitation laws.

And then you have the saying, "And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also". At the time most slaves only had a couple of items for clothing. When a Roman citizen wanted some work done, they applied to the local magistrate to get a lawful order that the slave(s) work for them. The court order stipulated that each morning the slave gave the Roman citizen their coat for safekeeping and as evidence of ownership, then it was given back at night so the slave could sleep in it and stay warm. If, as a slave, you give up both articles of clothing and was naked, then the Roman citizen could be seen as exploiting you, thus breaking the anti-exploitation laws and be sent to prison.

'The Greatest Spiritual Secret of the Century', by Thom Hartmann.
So, the above quote is related to inciting a rebellion, and it was Juda Krestus that started a rebellion against Rome.


With LOVE.

[seamus]

i think the question is why didn't god just absolve man's sins without having to nail some poor guy on a cross? blood sacrifice maybe? yaweh was always quite fond of those, like the one where he made some guy sacrifice his own son, then at the last moment say, ok, it's all cool. talk about trauma!
And do not fail to remember Jepthah, who was COMPELLED by the spirit of YHWH to utter the oath: "If you, O YHWH, allow us to win this battle, I will sacrifice the first thing that comes out my front door upon my return home!" Then YHWH made sure that the first one out the door was his DAUGHTER! His beloved ONLY CHILD! And, the poor girl, she felt so strongly about her father's honor and word, that she is reported to have demanded to be sacrificed, after mourning in the hills for a while with her friends. This time, however, YHWH did not stay the man's hand. Oh, no. This time, YHWH wanted real human BLOOD! This innocent, upright girl died at the hands of her own father.

Fucking perverted autofellating vampire.

I am grateful to have helped joffausy to experience the reality of his "chosen" mindset. Only through such turmoil can one hope to be free of the YHWH virus, aggressive and persistent as it is.

Love, Light and a Laurel, and Hardy handshake!

s

[i am all i am]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.

I remember a 'bumper sticker' that had this message.......

GOD SAVE ME FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

Would this include the American soldiers that are torturing (not killing) iraqui people ???

wanna bet on it?

As you have said, not my reality. I'll answer the following questions from the above experience for you, well the ones that relate to the experience.

great story, i love it. :)

all the rest of the text that you pasted i have already read them before and i am aware of everything you are referring to.

the bible, is more a political document than a religious one, but at one time, religion was politics. and there you go, the bible and some more for each. they all got what was necessary for them to control the people, and burnt everything else. as hard as it is to believe it, there were more than one times on earth when people thought that their leaders were gods. it seems to have been happening throughout history.

and then what we are left with, is those mixed-up texts that we try to decipher and understand. yet, we fail to read behind the lines of these documents and perceive them as political manifestos to declare leaders as holy and make people worship them.

so what's the point? i don't believe in the bible, so there's no reason to prove anything. christianity is not the bible, it's the people. the people know better than the bible, because the people write the bible.

this discussion can only end with the truth, but the truth has been divided to pieces. each one knows a piece of the truth and thinks everything else is false, then they fail to see that one is dependent on the other and that they are all connected as pieces on a chessboard.

christianity as an entity is even now divided into hundreds of traditions, some of those completely different in beliefs, all designed to serve their own intentions. even the anti-christian movements are part of the entity of christianity, it's a whole.

not to mention that, whence you are being anti-something, you get defined by your anti-somethingness and thus become what you despise. they are two faces of the same entity. and there is a third too, above those that no one seems to care about. and it is freedom.

[i am all i am]

G'day Bigus Dickus.

Yep, that which you fight you become.

This is the first part of something that I have written.....and it has relevance in regards to the idea of being in opposition to anything.....

BELIEF IS ALL


ALL THOUGHTS, WORDS AND ACTIONS LEAD FROM YOUR BELIEF.


IF YOUR BELIEF IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, THEN YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND UNABLE TO SEE THAT WHICH YOU ARE OPPOSED TO.

Also, to be in opposition to something, you create a duality. ALL THAT IS is expressed in three aspects, future/present/past, mind/soul/body, there/in between/here, concious/supraconcious/subconcious, thought/word/action I AM WHICH I AM/I AM WHO I AM/I AM THAT I AM, etc, etc.

There are two sides to a coin and an edge.

There are three sides to a debate,
Yours, mine and the correct one mate.

I will say this though, that people didn't actually write the bible, in the same sense that I don't write poetry. I, like the bible writers, merely re-arrange the text that we have been supplied with already. The text of the bible is explained below.......

The quote is from the 'DNA and the origins of knowledge' thread....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/private.php?folderid=0&pp=50&page=2

"The only Holy Book

For thousnads of years, spiritual teachers of Jewish traditions claimed that the five major Hebrew texts making up the Torah were 'holy', of special significance, and of supernatural origin...and they were right. By producing an exact copy of the spiral shape of the Rainbow Serpent from plastic, brass, a strip of metal or a similar solid substance, its significance becomes apparent, and that item could be best described as 'light descended into matter'. It is the primary element of both the Book of Thoth and the Secret in the Bible and the precise twisty shape of the Rainbow Serpent provides the necessary form to physically demonstrate a major part of the Secret. When the plastic or metal reproduction of the Rainbow Serpent is slowly revolved, 22 different shaped shadows are cast from that one element, and those shapes directly make up the 22 seperate letters of the alphabet that the Torah was written in. Put in simplest terms, the alphabetin which the Torah of the Bible was originally and secretly written was one composed of a series of 22 cosmic glyphs that emanated with 'splendour and power in the form of a serpent' from a vertical spiral of light in the Benben on top of the Great Pyramid in Egypt. Evidence of that knowledge points directly at the undeniable input of a higher intelligence, a superior mind source."

-The Secret in the Bible, by Tony Bushby, page 256.

The "twisty shape of the Rainbow Serpent" is a similar description that is used 'The Cosmic Serpent', "language-twisting-twisting" and "twisted language", to describe the DNA by shamans.


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5269/thesecretinthebible8ya7.jpg

In 'The Secret in the Bible', by Tony Bushby, the 22 glyphs of the Hebrew alphabet are shown to be representations of the DNA strand.

With LOVE.

[seamus]

Very intersting, as the "Hebrew" alphabet as currently used was developed in the time of the "exile" in Babylon. The Chaldeans were very advanced stargazers, contrasting to the Hebrews, who had always been herdsmen, warlords, or farmers, without a proper stargazing class.

Love, Light and "a lot of poppy-cock"

s

[i am all i am]

Very intersting, as the "Hebrew" alphabet as currently used was developed in the time of the "exile" in Babylon. The Chaldeans were very advanced stargazers, contrasting to the Hebrews, who had always been herdsmen, warlords, or farmers, without a proper stargazing class.

Love, Light and "a lot of poppy-cock"

s

Interestingly, I once read that the Hebrews were the genetic scientists of the Annunaki and came here to this planet with them. This could (?) explain why they think that they are the chosen ones. Is it 'coincidental' that the Hebrew language is made from the DNA strand ???

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

Also, to be in opposition to something, you create a duality. ALL THAT IS is expressed in three aspects, future/present/past, mind/soul/body, there/in between/here, concious/supraconcious/subconcious, thought/word/action I AM WHICH I AM/I AM WHO I AM/I AM THAT I AM, etc, etc.

yes, this is how all that is is presented (observed) and described (created) by us, our illusory selves (egos). but the truth is one.

let me spot the "illusions" for you and extract the only "truth"

illusions = future / past, truth = present

illusions = mind / body, truth = soul

illusions = there / here, truth = in between

illusions = unconscious / conscious, truth = supraconscious

illusions = word / action, truth = thought (intent, will)

so, the truth is: i, one, here, now, desire, will, world, word, reality.

There are two sides to a coin and an edge.

There are three sides to a debate,
Yours, mine and the correct one mate.

which one is the correct one?

I will say this though, that people didn't actually write the bible, in the same sense that I don't write poetry. I, like the bible writers, merely re-arrange the text that we have been supplied with already. The text of the bible is explained below.......

this is not oneness. this is moreness. who creates all, if it is not i? if it is not you?

about "The only Holy Book" that you pasted, what do you understand from it and what does it really mean?

it looks like you are implying something, but not saying what exactly. please tell.

[i am all i am]

let me spot the "illusions" for you and extract the only "truth"

The "illusion" is that you have "the only "truth"" !!!

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

about "The only Holy Book" that you pasted, what do you understand from it and what does it really mean?

The understanding that I have comes from a combination of many sources and would require a lot of writing, so, if you explain what it is that you do not understand I will help you to comprehend it.

"The only Holy Book

For thousnads of years, spiritual teachers of Jewish traditions claimed that the five major Hebrew texts making up the Torah were 'holy', of special significance, and of supernatural origin...and they were right. By producing an exact copy of the spiral shape of the Rainbow Serpent from plastic, brass, a strip of metal or a similar solid substance, its significance becomes apparent, and that item could be best described as 'light descended into matter'. It is the primary element of both the Book of Thoth and the Secret in the Bible and the precise twisty shape of the Rainbow Serpent provides the necessary form to physically demonstrate a major part of the Secret. When the plastic or metal reproduction of the Rainbow Serpent is slowly revolved, 22 different shaped shadows are cast from that one element, and those shapes directly make up the 22 seperate letters of the alphabet that the Torah was written in. Put in simplest terms, the alphabetin which the Torah of the Bible was originally and secretly written was one composed of a series of 22 cosmic glyphs that emanated with 'splendour and power in the form of a serpent' from a vertical spiral of light in the Benben on top of the Great Pyramid in Egypt. Evidence of that knowledge points directly at the undeniable input of a higher intelligence, a superior mind source."

-The Secret in the Bible, by Tony Bushby, page 256.

The "twisty shape of the Rainbow Serpent" is a similar description that is used 'The Cosmic Serpent', "language-twisting-twisting" and "twisted language", to describe the DNA by shamans.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5269/thesecretinthebible8ya7.jpg
In 'The Secret in the Bible', by Tony Bushby, the 22 glyphs of the Hebrew alphabet are shown to be representations of the DNA strand.

With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

Jesus Christ is a False Messiah


According to Jesus’ admissions, as well as the Bible’s prophecies, Jesus of Nazareth could not have been the Messiah. This of course, would invalidate Christianity as we know it. The compilation presented here shall be split in three sections. The first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. The second shall be the prophecies that Christians use to say that Jesus was the Messiah, yet they clearly fail. The third set shall be the prophecies and statements Jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.


Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.

2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.

http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm ......for the rest of the article.


With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

The "illusion" is that you have "the only "truth"" !!!

With LOVE.

i don't have it. you are it.

i am just a trickster, just look what derives:

illusions = future / past, truth = present

illusions = mind / body, truth = soul

illusions = there / here, truth = in between

illusions = unconscious / conscious, truth = supraconscious

illusions = word / action, truth = thought (intent, will)

illusions:

future mind there conscious word

past body here unconscious action

truth:

present soul everywhere supraconscious thought


could it be, i don't know.

[bigus_dickus]

The understanding that I have comes from a combination of many sources and would require a lot of writing, so, if you explain what it is that you do not understand I will help you to comprehend it.

ok, it says that the letters of the alphabet that the scriptures were written in, were designed according to the shadows cast by a serpent shaped toy (who comes up with this stuff?) and that they are some sort of supernatural though i hardly can tell what they mean by that, by reading that excerpt.

other than that, i don't understand the significance of this. do you believe that stuff?

[i am all i am]

could it be, i don't know.

Yes, it could be you don't know.


With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

ok, it says that the letters of the alphabet that the scriptures were written in, were designed according to the shadows cast by a serpent shaped toy (who comes up with this stuff?) and that they are some sort of supernatural though i hardly can tell what they mean by that, by reading that excerpt.

other than that, i don't understand the significance of this. do you believe that stuff?

Do you have difficulty reading and comprehending what you have read ???

Where was it mentioned as a "serpent shaped toy" ???

What difference would it make to you if I "believe that stuff" ???

Why not merely make your own decisions without relying upon what another believes ???

Is this a conditioned response from your christian belief ???

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

[B][COLOR="Magenta"]Do you have difficulty reading and comprehending what you have read ???

yes. to tell you the truth i am stoned right now.

Where was it mentioned as a "serpent shaped toy" ???

where do i write that it was mentioned? you told me to tell you what i understand from the passage.

What difference would it make to you if I "believe that stuff" ???

to me, it would make no difference.

Why not merely make your own decisions without relying upon what another believes ???

that's what i merely do.

Is this a conditioned response from your christian belief ???

does it look like a conditioned response from my christian belief?

[i am all i am]

yes. to tell you the truth i am stoned right now.

Excellent, and telling the truth will be of benefit for you.

where do i write that it was mentioned? you told me to tell you what i understand from the passage.

Does this mean that your understanding is "toy" like ???

to me, it would make no difference.

So why ask the question then ???

does it look like a conditioned response from my christian belief?

And your answer to the question is ??? Mmmmm....the question re-worded. If it isn't, what was the point of the question ???

With LOVE.

[bigus_dickus]

Excellent, and telling the truth will be of benefit for you.

i know that. but it is of benefit for all, not just for me.

Does this mean that your understanding is "toy" like ???

"child like" would be more appropriate.

So why ask the question then ???

to make you examine your own beliefs, if any. why not just answer the question simply telling the truth?

If it isn't, what was the point of the question ???

every question, is also the answer.

[james777]

I know it's easy to get caught up in all the different perceptions and interpretations of religion, but we are all sitting here talking about things we just don't know about. You were born, I was born, we grew up, we were taught what we were taught and believe what we believe. There is great deception among us and few of us really have a clear and peaceful vision of the reality of reality. The human race was created for companionship for the creator of all things and their is an immediate danger for those of us who deny this. Satan is a duplicator. His purpose is to throw us (humans) off track by giving us all different scenarios, stories, religions and traps. The very things we read on this site about aliens genetically munipulating the human race so they can rule us is just one example of what I'm referring to. If you buy into that type of bullshit then the trap is supressing your mind, which by the way is the only thing that you have control over. It's time to stop feeding this machine of deception and take a stand for what is real and quit being pussies hiding behind theories derived of intellegentless minds. Fuck satan and fuck lies! Realize who you really are and understand there is a WAR for our souls and the only thing we have to do is accept the free gift of salvation from Jesus Christ which is Grace, and we'll be saved from this den of iniquity. Look for the signs of logic, for example, I could sit here and type about Muhommad, Buddha, Baal, Dagon, Thor all these obviously deceptive so-called saviours and you would all sit there and say, "hmmmmm, he does bring up some good points". But the second I mention Jesus Christ or God, suddenly you're angered and start throwing thoughtless and sensless accusations about I don't know what I'm talking about and how Jesus Christ was just a man, not the son of God, and then start going through all your brainwashed mental files trying to come up with reasons and ways for you to convince yourself that I'm wrong and I don't know what I'm saying, but in doing that, YOU're just proving my point further. All I'm saying is to STOP, breathe, listen to your inner soul, it's telling you the truth, you don't need books and thoughts of men and women that you know nothing about to help you determine truth. Knowlegde comes from within and gaining access to that will help you bypass all of this ridiculous shit that we all seem to be neck-deep in. God is waiting for you to turn the keys he has given you, so PLEASE, use YOUR intellect, it won't steer you wrong. I know you all love David Icke and even I've read his books, I'm with him on a lot of topics, but he also is trapped in his own brainwash and could use some understanding and enlightenment, be careful, because he just may be the deceptive shepard leading you to your own slaughter..................................God Bless

[i am all i am]

Satan is a duplicator.

Here is something for you to contemplate James777......

Antichrist

Everything starts with thought, and consciousness is a massively powerful energy, especially when concentrated and focused.

By believing that the Antichrist exists, people are actually making him a reality. They are manifesting him with their thoughts.

They are convinced that because Revelations says that the Antichrist is coming, that it is the truth, and collectively they are making it a reality.

Is this another form of manipulation by the spiritually devoid reptilian loomies to manifest their ultimate demon to wreak havoc on the earth?

Does anyone recall what Arizona said about them using her to invoke demons because the reppies were unable to?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36211#post36211

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[3ill]

None of your gods have anything on Zeus. He was a stone-cold gangsta'.

[tru3]

None of your gods have anything on Zeus. He was a stone-cold gangsta'.

definitely. and zues and yahweh are names for the same entity. jove iove ioveh jehovah yahweh.

I could sit here and type about Muhommad, Buddha, Baal, Dagon, Thor all these obviously deceptive so-called saviours and you would all sit there and say, "hmmmmm, he does bring up some good points".

wow. i haven't met anyone on this forum who believes that baal is their personal savior. i have said an oath or two in the name of great odin's beard, tho. does that count? :p


But the second I mention Jesus Christ or God, suddenly you're angered and start throwing thoughtless and sensless accusations about I don't know what I'm talking about and how Jesus Christ was just a man, not the son of God, and then start going through all your brainwashed mental files trying to come up with reasons and ways for you to convince yourself that I'm wrong and I don't know what I'm saying, but in doing that, YOU're just proving my point further.

from my view, we are attempting to engage in a dialogue. i'm not trying to change your viewpoint or any one else's.

i told you in an earlier post that i believe in the spirit of christ, not the cult of personality around jesus. how is that any more of a brainwashed mental file than believing in the bible's version of jesus?

oh, because the bible was "divinely inspired"? so, it's a channelled work, is what your saying?

"the course in miracles" was a channelled work too. here's what one of your 'brethren' wrote about it.

Scribed between1965 and 1972, and making its public debut in 1975, not surprising, "A Course in Miracles" has been a favorite of necromancers, channelers, shamans, priests and disciples of the New Age (Religion of Ancient Babylon) ever since. This course is another subtle way for Satan to spread the lie that Satan and demons are nonexistent. This course goes one step further by contradicting the truths in the Bible by perpetrating the lie that "Jesus said to the authors" that the Bible is in error.

http://bibleprobe.com/miraclecourse.htm

too funny. who's brainwashed mental files shall we trust? :D

All I'm saying is to STOP, breathe, listen to your inner soul, it's telling you the truth, you don't need books and thoughts of men and women that you know nothing about to help you determine truth. Knowlegde comes from within and gaining access to that will help you bypass all of this ridiculous shit that we all seem to be neck-deep in.

i agree completely. and if you don't like what 'my' small, still voice has to say, then too damn bad.

God is waiting for you to turn the keys he has given you, so PLEASE, use YOUR intellect, it won't steer you wrong.

intellect?! the intellect has nothing to do with connecting to spirit, imv. using the intellect to find god is like using a land map to cross the ocean. the intellect actually impedes turning within, ime.

above you say "you don't need books and thoughts of men", and then you turn around and say "use your intellect". very confusing :confused:

[i am all i am]

............. I don't know what I'm talking about and how Jesus Christ was just a man, not the son of God, ............

From the "religion" thread.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by awakensong
Not to mention the fact that IN CONTEXT it says no illegitimate child was to enter "his temple"......

G'day Awakensong,

Would this mean, "IN CONTEXT", that as Mary was not legally married to the Holy Spirit or God, that Jesus was illegitimate, and therefore not allowed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven ???

With LOVE.

Jesus Christ is a False Messiah

According to Jesus’ admissions, as well as the Bible’s prophecies, Jesus of Nazareth could not have been the Messiah. This of course, would invalidate Christianity as we know it. The compilation presented here shall be split in three sections. The first shall be the biblical prophecies that were made in order to identify the messiah, which Jesus does not fulfill. The second shall be the prophecies that Christians use to say that Jesus was the Messiah, yet they clearly fail. The third set shall be the prophecies and statements Jesus made yet they are false and have never came true.

Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:

1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.

2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.

http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm


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[i am all i am]

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-1971)



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[loveemotion]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.


Very interesting... i very much believe that noone can judge you... you can only judge yourself..

I was in a very highly trained school... with military obsticles ( meaning instead of a regular school subject we were given 5 or more military subjects added to our everyday teachings... for us to learn.. i was 14 years old when i entered that school.. and i was 17 when i have graduated..

Most interestingly to myself... i only cared about 3 subject in my school..
They were.. Psysical training... English language Class and a Computer class... the rest i simply didnt care about...

Why is it when deep inside of you... you know you wont need it(anything comes your way) .. you forget about it or simply not interested in it...

On the other hand the things you are very interested in.. or the thing you feel will be useful in the future.. You absorb it like a sponge...
And the energy that flows thru it.. makes you stronger then anyone else in the class.. soemtimes i had to fake.. not to be the best in the class..
LAL! (love and light)

Why is it that something everything just drops on the right spot.. and everything is perfect..
And why sometimes you cant seem to manage or do anything..

LAL

[becky]

Jesus taught we had to hate everyone, including our families, to follow him.

He taught that we had to live a miserable life here in order to have happiness in the hereafter.

He taught us to drink of his blood and said that the life was in the blood! hmmm..

He said he came NOT to bring peace, but the sword.

He taught of a place of fire and torture.

He taught that all non-jews were dogs.

He taught that divorce was prohibited in every cause but adultery. That means it is ok to beat your spouse and kids and they just have to endure it.

I could go on and on, but everyone should be getting the picture.

[bigus_dickus]

Jesus taught we had to hate everyone, including our families, to follow him.

He taught that we had to live a miserable life here in order to have happiness in the hereafter.

He taught us to drink of his blood and said that the life was in the blood! hmmm..

He said he came NOT to bring peace, but the sword.

He taught of a place of fire and torture.

He taught that all non-jews were dogs.

He taught that divorce was prohibited in every cause but adultery. That means it is ok to beat your spouse and kids and they just have to endure it.

I could go on and on, but everyone should be getting the picture.

that's a classic misunderstanding due to wrong interpretations.

[fantabulous]

Jesus Christ ( Knows Who You Are Now)

THIS IS TRUE !

And I Know Who Jesus Christ Is Now.

http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2.htm (http://www.outersecrets.com/real/biblecode2.htm)

[angel147]

In the end the big three will be as one, Christianity, Islam, Judaism. True Christianity WAS NEVER EXCLUSIVE. How can you gain souls by being exclusive and saying everyone else is wrong? They/we are ALL ACTUALLY RIGHT. AND WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER.

[thelucifer]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?


Hard to criticize someone/thing that never existed.

I do criticize those who made it up/use it.


A real shame.

[armoured_amazon]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?
Just think about it!

He taugh man: Self control, Moral Values, Virtues, To love one another, all that is good for a civilized world! In truth; populations are better off following Jesus then thinking they are God. Jesus came to abolish religion. God's church is the people who beliaves in Jesus. That's his church.
Jesus Christ is the savior for humanity. Its God himself that came for you. Jesus,God, Holy spirit is all one!

WANT TO KNOW WICH SPIRIT IS IN YOU???

* If you got anxios , mad , feel negativety with this message, Its the ANTICHRIST spirit that is in you.

Not the hole spirit.

Peace and love everyone.

Great post. Those of you getting mad completely overlooked the words that were written and raced to the Christianity-bashing. Read it again. Peace out.

[thelucifer]

In the end the big three will be as one, Christianity, Islam, Judaism. True Christianity WAS NEVER EXCLUSIVE. How can you gain souls by being exclusive and saying everyone else is wrong? They/we are ALL ACTUALLY RIGHT. AND WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER.


In Freemasonry they already are (always were), thats the problem.

The people have been divided hence conquered.

[seamus]

In the end the big three will be as one, Christianity, Islam, Judaism. True Christianity WAS NEVER EXCLUSIVE. How can you gain souls by being exclusive and saying everyone else is wrong? They/we are ALL ACTUALLY RIGHT. AND WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER.

I think the big three (Ford, GM, Chrysler) have much better a chance of becoming one than Islam and Judaism have of even being on speaking terms. The Arabs have had it in for the Jews ever since Jacob pulled that crappy stunt with the goat skin. It did NOT start with Muhammed!

OBTW, WTF do you mean by "gain souls"? You mean, like, reaping them as if they were some agricultural product to be hoarded by Pharaoh? I'll keep mine, thanks. I've become attached to it! (tongue in cheek)

But seriously, how can you "lose" a soul? If you have one, it's because you deserve it! If you don't, you don't even care if you do or not.

tschuss

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[drael]

WHy In the world would someone ever criticize Jesus Christ?

To rile up people like you! lol. Im guessing it wouldnt bother jesus, so own up to your sin!

[fist fury]

All the false religions are set up with the memes of an "eternal battle" or "end of times". If you go back before Judaism or other Late Bronze Age religions....
The gods were already victorious, there was no Devil, Satan, Ba'al, because mankind knew they were all under the same 'entity'. Everyone sees the same blue sky on a clear day.

They didn't need "Sharia Law" or thousands of rules from scripture to "worship" or appease a single schizophrenic god, or ethnic supremacy pretending to be religion. Instead you had your own personal "god", the force that you naturally gravitate towards. It could be Inanna, the sexual and loving power of women, Utu, justice and courage, Hebat, family and stability. Yet you were aware that other forces exist as well.

This was severely perverted since the rise of the 'Semites' (Babylonians, Jews, Arabs, etc) against others like the Sumerians or Hurrians. That's because their gods were invented to control mankind through the priesthood, judges, or kings. Whole nations were murdered, destroyed in the name of a false god. And they continue to this day.

[drakul]

Isn't the entire point of creating a savior and messiah, to lead people?
Lets see, Create a savior who is pure and shows nothing but love.
Someone who promises eternal life (which by the way is a trap)
Then, all believers will follow this savior and defend and fight for this savior.. (here is the brain washing) lets stop and think for ourselves for a minute.

I grew up as a catholic, at a very early age I realized how ridiculous and corrupt the catholic religion was. I believed in Jesus up until recently. It was when I heard of Tammuz,Mithra,Horus and realized that they were not just similar..they were the same!
Besides the obvious reason of control, there is the reason I see this "eternal life" as a trap. We have the power to give our "soul" away. whether to "heaven" or "Hell" to me both are the same thing.
Let us look at what a soul is. Is it part of the universal energy that makes up all life? or a seperate entity that exists after death?
Well,I believe a soul to be a collection of our experiences in this life, that upon death are absorbed into the universal knowledge or eternal sea. Is it possible to give all this away? Why not..
Like I said, I believe heaven and hell are the same thing.Both control and chain the mind of man whilst he lives on earth. We live in fear of hell and strive to achieve the requirements for heaven.

I'm not saying Jesus did not exist.. I am saying I do not believe the "re-written" story of Jesus that is the new testament of the bible.
If people look at the story of Tammuz, Mithra and Horus and still tell me that this "New Testament" is 100% correct then I'm afraid all i can say to them is that they have been duped,


IF YOU STOPPED TO QUESTION, ITS THE "HUMAN SPIRIT" WITHIN YOU !!!

You definitely have valid points, especially about the corruption in the Vatican. However please do not confuse Tammuz, Mithra etc with Jesus. There is virtually NO comparison, particularly with Mithra. Pls show me EVIDENCE archeological evidence of Mithraism being the same as Christianity. Mithra demanded gallons of BLOOD sacrifice. Mithra was all about Tauroctomies - cutting the throat of a bull and washing in its blood. Every depiction of Mithra shows him with a big knife cutting the throat of a bull. How is blood sacrifice Christian?

Some people don't realize that virtually every pagan religion demanded BLOOD SACRIFICE often this meant HUMAN SACRIFICE. Jewish, Greek, Roman, etc temples were VIRTUAL SLAUGHTERHOUSES. Christianity was a reaction against this practice. The first act of Christian leaders when Emp. Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire in 325 AD was to BAN BLOOD SACRIFICE. Why? Because the Christians considered blood sacrifice DEMONIC. Wouldn't you agree?

Every similarity betw Mithra and Jesus is concocted by the `Truthseekers' who supply NO evidence. No archeological proof of which there should be plenty since Mithraism was very popular in the Roman empire. There are hundreds of Mithraeums in Italy, so there should be no problem supplying photos of wall paintings, frescoes, engravings, statues, etc which show Mithraism identical to Christianity. But they don't.

If you can supply evidence that Mithraism is identical to Christianity please do - just please don't quote people like Tsarion, Icke, Acharya, Maxwell etc because they don't provide archeological evidence, only other sources who agree with them. No scholar should ever be satisfied with that. A scholar would demand ORIGINAL SOURCES, not theory, not heresay.

[dlb2007]

"In the end the big three will be as one, Christianity, Islam, Judaism. True Christianity WAS NEVER EXCLUSIVE. How can you gain souls by being exclusive and saying everyone else is wrong? They/we are ALL ACTUALLY RIGHT. AND WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER"

I dont get how people can say Christianity is EXCLUSIVE, its the most inclusive religion i know, it is intended for both Jew and Gentile, that ecompases everyone, Catholic means Universal the UNIVERSAL CHURCH

I go to mass, I see people from many walks of life in my local parish, yet I know within the Church as a whole, there are aboriginies, native americans, asian's Arabs, europeans, African. There are those of great wealth sitting beside those on welfare, there are young and old, male and female, we do not exclude anyone, it is they themselves who exclude themselves..... it is they who choose not to be part of the universal family. There are great cathedrals in vast cities and little run down shacks in tiny villages in deepest darkest africa.. The message of the gospel is for everyone....but not everyone accepts it, is that the Christians fault, is the message of the gospel only intended for some because some cant accept it, no it is intended even for those who cant accept it, but it is they who exclude themselves from the gospel, we do not exclude them from the gospel, we preach the gospel to them... I am so sick of people seeing Christianity as an EXclusive religion.... it is not!