Is Icke Your God?

[sunyatta60]

David Icke And The Politics Of Madness
Where The New Age Meets The Third Reichby Will Offley
February 29, 2000

On the face of it, few people would credit a retired soccer player who rants about a world takeover by blood-drinking lizards from outer space as being much of a threat to democracy. And as a general rule, they would probably be right.

David Icke, however, is an exception to that rule.

Icke, 48, is a native of Leicester, England. For five years he played professionally for the Coventry City and Hereford United soccer teams until forced to retire by arthritis. He subsequently went on to become a sports announcer for BBC-TV. For three years from 1988 to 1991 he was national spokesperson for the British Green Party, until he began a political evolution that was to begin with his expulsion from the Greens and wind up with his current involvement with anti-Semitism, neofascism, and lizards from Mars.1

At first this evolution seemed relatively harmless. Icke began to flirt seriously with New Age theories, and then began to act on them. He dressed in turquoise, and began to call himself the "son of godhead". But by the time his book "The Robot's Rebellion" was printed in 1994, his trajectory had begun to take quite a different course. In 1996, the British magazine "Left Green Perspectives" wrote that this book "indicated a convergence of New Age thinking with Nazi philosophy. Casting aside his pat concerns about the environment, Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory, alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of "The Elite." He openly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler's notion of a global Jewish conspiracy."

The following year Icke brought out another book, "...and the truth shall set you free." This one, however, was self-published, as its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed. And small wonder. The book repeated Icke's previous claims that the Protocols were true, and went on to state: "I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."2

In this book, Icke went even further. He began to flirt explicitly with Holocaust denial, saying "why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."3 He also denounced the Nuremberg Trials as "a farce" and "a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation."4

Icke's politics today are a mishmash of most of the dominant themes of contemporary neofascism, mixed in with a smattering of topics culled from the U.S. militia movement. He has written diatribes on the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as examples of secret plots to take over the world. He opposes gun control as a plot by this Elite, which has deliberately orchestrated numerous mass shootings to whip up opposition to guns.5 He has repeatedly posted anti-abortion literature and articles on his web site.6 He rails against conspiracies to implant microchips in everyone's bodies, coded with the Satanic number "666".7 He even accuses the U.S. government of carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing and murdering 168 men, women and children.8

For a decade Icke has exhibited signs of serious mental instability. In his web site autobiography he reveals that as early as 1990 he became aware of "a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not. It got to the point where I sat on the side of the bed in a hotel room in London in early 1990 and said to whoever or whatever: "If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall." A year later, on holiday in Peru, Icke describes hearing voices: "as I looked at the mound, a voice in my head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me.... Suddenly I felt my feet pulled to the ground again like a magnet, the same as in the newspaper shop, but this time far more powerful. My arms then shot above my head, with no decision by me for them to do so.... A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of my head like a drill, and I could feel the flow going the other way up from the ground through my feet. It was then I heard the third voice in my head, something that has never happened since. It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain".9

Over the last year Icke's writings have become so paranoid and so extreme that many are probably inclined to dismiss him as posing any sort of threat, or requiring a response. Icke is now arguing in all seriousness that the Illuminati plot to take over the world is actually being carried out by a race of extraterrestrial reptiles in human form. They are described, literally, as being child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshippers capable of changing their shape, whose ranks include George Bush, Bill and Hilary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson, among others.10

David Icke is not alone. He is a small industry in a large and lucrative market of often well-to do New Age boomers. He has several web sites, an e-magazine, his own publishing house, and at least 9 books and 4 videotapes to his credit. He is constantly on the road, touring North America, Europe, Australia, South Africa, the Pyramids, and elsewhere. In the last five years he has spoken in Vancouver as many times, and across Canada he can turn out substantial audiences. His organizers claim he had 1,000 people out to hear him at his last gig in Vancouver, and he hopes to fill the Vogue Theatre on March 19. It's a large milieu that can afford the hefty prices Icke charges - up to $67 to attend a lecture, forty to fifty dollars for videotapes - and that generates a sizeable income for Icke and his message of conspiracism, fear and hate.

To organize all this, Icke has developed an international network of people who work with him and for him. They book the dates, churn out the posters and press releases, do the advance work, pick him up at the airport, get him to the hotel, introduce him, and get him back to his flight on time. They also show clearly why David Icke is a dangerous man, because they underscore his politics in an unmistakable way.

Icke is undeniably a flake, and a world-class flake, but his danger comes from his alliances as well as his politics. And it's the far right who handle this man, who package and promote and present his message across Canada and around the world.

Take Joseph Duggan. Duggan is the proprietor of Strong Eagles Productions, the company organizing Icke's current Vancouver speaking engagement. Duggan makes his living in part from organizing B.C. speaking engagements for a string of conspiracy theorists and famous personalities of the extreme right like Glen Kealey, Cathy O'Brien, Len Horowitz and others.11 Duggan also used to be the health editor of Shared Vision until last year, which has itself advertised tours by Icke and hosted speeches by him as well. Interspersed with monthly columns on health foods and natural healing, Duggan's writings in Shared Vision also promoted the far right anti-government activist Murray Gauvreau12, Colorado militia supporter Suzanne Harris13, and the notorious Glen Kealey.14

In March 1997, Duggan's column referred extensively to the book "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" by American writer Richard K. Hoskins.15 Hoskins has been denounced as "a virulent anti-Semite who is a leading ideologue of the Christian Identity movement" by no less a source than Conrad Black's National Post. When Aryan Nations member Buford Furrow was arrested in Los Angeles last August after shooting and wounding five people at a Jewish community centre and murdering a Filipino postal worker, police found a copy of "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" in his car.16

Icke's books and videos are also distributed by an organization in Salmon Arm, B.C. called The Preferred Network. The Preferred Network's web site advertises at least four of Icke's books and the same number of videotapes, as well as an extensive selection of U.S. and Canadian conspiracy materials covering the traditional themes particular to the far right: the government coverup of the Oklahoma City bombing, "The 10 Secrets Revenue Canada Doesn't Want You To Know", "Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins", the AIDS coverup, the Ebola coverup, the Lockerbie coverup, the PanAm 800 coverup, "Satanism And The CIA", and Kari Simpson's expose of the gay agenda in B.C. schools.17

David Lethbridge, director of the Salmon Arm Coalition Against Racism, has described the organizer of The Preferred Network in the following way: "a well-attended demonstration opposing the Multilateral Agreement on Investment was held [in the spring of 1998] in Salmon Arm, B.C.... Working the fringes was Wes Mann, organizer of the Preferred Network. Mann was handing out flyers for conspiracy advocates David Icke, Ted Gunderson and Cathy O'Brien. Whenever he could, Mann would strike up a conversation with one of the demonstrators, then write down their name and phone number. I knew who Mann was. His Preferred Network catalog carries several dozen books and tapes promoting the usual New Age fare: cancer cures, spiritualist prophecies, UFO tales and so on. But much of the catalog consists of materials promoting right-wing militias and right-wing conspiracy theories, and books by notorious fascists and antisemites such as Eustace Mullins. I went over to Mann, who did not recognize me, and began to question him. Within minutes he was telling me that the MAI was the work of a conspiracy organized by the mysterious "Black Nobility" and the "International Bankers". The anti-Jewish code words were obvious. Soon Mann was telling me that the antisemitic forgery The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion was authentic, that the Nazi Holocaust had never occurred, that the contemporary Jews were not Jews at all but descendants of the Turkish Khazars, and that the fascist Eustace Mullins was "a brilliant researcher".18

In Ottawa, Icke's key organizer is Tom J. Kennedy. Kennedy was responsible for much of the organizational detail of Icke's October 1999 speaking tour in Ottawa, Toronto, and Windsor, Ontario, also acting as his gofer and driver.19 But Kennedy's activities do not stop there. He is an active supporter of Canada's DeTax movement, a far right current that imitates the tax-resistance strategies of the Freemen and other Christian Patriot groups in the U.S.20 Kennedy's web site also promotes Glen Kealey's conspiracist workshops, and other similar endeavours.21 And his politics become even clearer when one reads the materials Kennedy has posted on the internet over his own name. On January 18, 1999, he posted an article attacking usury [a favourite code word among the far right for the international Jewish Bankers Conspiracy].22 He had originally found this article on a British web site, and liked it so much he reposted it to his own list. The British group that had written the article, Final Conflict, is one of Britain's hard-core neo-nazi groups, whose web site carries articles entitled "Did Six Million Really Die" and slogans reading "Long Live Death."23 Four months later, on May 6, 1999 Kennedy posted an article on secret societies he had picked up from the Hoffman Wire.24 The Hoffman Wire is a far-right Holocaust denial organization based in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, not far from the headquarters of Aryan Nations.25

Kennedy's web site now carries an article "Fear NOT - The Ultimate Label "Anti-Semitic", which clarifies his endorsement of Icke's politics: "I have always been motivated to find out the real reasons why particular researchers and historians get targeted with the ultimate label "Anti-Semitic" and other lesser labels such as "Neo-Nazi" and "Racist" Needless to say, I was motivated to follow the information in search of reasons why David Icke was being so labelled during his Ontario `99 tour.... Perhaps the unfair labelling of researchers as "Anti-Semites" has a hidden agenda to keep people from seeking the "truth?" Or could this whole "Anti-Semitic" labelling be another "divide and conquer" deflection to keep us busy while the real 10,000 year agenda of the Freemasons and Bilderbergers is being completed? Just wondering??"26 In probability, the labelling of Tom Kennedy as anti-Semitic might have more to do with his stated support for Holocaust denier David Irving ("a meticulous historical researcher"27), or with his pal Ernst Zundel, who told Kennedy in the early 1980's "Tom, you are writing about the usurious money system which reaps the Financial Elite multiple millions annually. What you are writing about is even more sacred than "the holocaust", so be very careful for your well-being!!"28

David Icke's associations with the extreme right are not confined to Canada, nor are they only a recent phenomenon. One of the most ominous instances of this was documented in an article in the London Evening Standard concerning Icke's 1995 speaking tour of Britain to promote his newest book, The Robot's Rebellion. Journalist Mark Honigsbaum reported that "what worries the Jewish community most is that Icke's veiled anti-Semitic references are now attracting the attention of more sinister British forces, in particular Combat 18, the neo-Nazi group which recruits among football's violent hooligan fringe. The Jewish Chronicle has reported how Combat 18 has taken to publicizing Icke's current tour in its internal journal, Putsch. Citing Icke's recent lecture in Glastonbury, Putsch claimed that Icke "spoke of "the sheep" and how the Zionist-operated government, sorry, "Illuminati", uses them for its own ends." The Combat 18 report continued: "He began to talk about the big conspiracy by a group of bankers, media moguls, etc. - always being clever enough not to mention what all these had in common"."29

Combat 18 is fascist. The numbers do not stand for "eighteen" but for "one - eight", the first and eighth letters of the alphabet. A and H, as in Adolph Hitler. C18 was for much of the 90's the most important and the most violent organization in the British neo-Nazi movement, with a number of murders to its credit. 30 C18 has now fallen on hard times. Its main leader, Charlie Sargent, is serving a life term for the first degree murder of one of his own followers, and the group itself promptly split in two over a bitter struggle over finances; but none of this prevented it from carrying out two bombings in black and Bangladeshi neighbourhoods in London last summer, or of being suspected in the bombing of a gay pub that killed two and sent 60 people to hospital.31 Such are David Icke's friends and associates.

Despite this record, Icke enjoys a surprising degree of support from unexpected quarters. Connie Fogal, married to the long-time leftie alderman Harry Rankin, has had her organization, the Defence of Canadian Liberty Association, set up a literature table at one of Icke's appearances. Paul Hellyer's Canada Action Party also had a table at Icke's last Vancouver speech. Icke is listed as a contributor to the supposedly left-wing tabloid The Radical, published in Quesnel and distributed widely throughout B.C. And Icke's tours have been advertised in local New Age publications like Shared Vision and Common Ground.

The fact is that some of what Icke says has a resonance in these quarters. He's against world conspiracies, free trade, the MAI, the WTO and corporate globalism. Many of his far right supporters are active in other areas as well: cannabis legalization, alternative health, anti-corporate activism, even support for native sovereignty struggles like Gustavsen Lake. It's long overdue for the left, the environmental movement, feminists, anti-WTO activists, lesbians and gays, and yes, even New Agers, to start looking more closely at Icke and his friends. The advocates of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism will seldom if ever reveal their real agenda. They prefer to work in the shadows, using coded language, building patiently for a new and improved Reich. The threat they pose is no less real simply because it doesn't register on the radar screen. Yet.

All we need to do is look at Austria to see why these politics have to be confronted, isolated and defeated, and the price we will all pay if they are not.



This is the Crap I have to contend with for saying I believe that Icke is telling us the Truth. The idiot posting it is a Jew or he claims to be and he wants to play the Anti Semetism card.

[tiswas]

what Idiot is this?
By the way David Icke has not embraced Combat 18, if he did it will be very difficult for him to have forum members on his website. By the way Icke has jewish and black friends.

[i_am]

meh!

*Shrugs*

:)

[tiswas]

I have always defended Icke and his works, when does he baldly state he is anti-Jewish. Whilst I have read many books of Icke he does admire some people of the Jewish faith. A rabbi does feature positively in his 2nd book.
By the way your argument is similar than say one person is supporting a footbal team which have many far-right supporters like Millwall. That person can be the most liberal person in the world.
By the way, My god is not Icke but the real GOD.

[sunyatta60]

By the way, My god is not Icke but the real GOD.

Hi That was exactly my reply to the Idiot denigrating David Icke LOL it just goes to show that he has ruffled lots of feathers which means he is much closer to the Truth than some people would dare to admit.

[tinmenace]

David Icke is not my god, he's my TOASTER OVEN (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6650) :)

[john white]

By the way, My god is not Icke but the real GOD.

Hi That was exactly my reply to the Idiot denigrating David Icke LOL it just goes to show that he has ruffled lots of feathers which means he is much closer to the Truth than some people would dare to admit.


Hi sunyatta: forum tip: put your interpreation at the top becuase otherwise people will scroll past the hit peice and might miss where your coming from

Agreed Icke ruffles feathers becuase he pushes comfort zones

He's sure not my God, but I believe Icke and I see the same ONE

[jinjo5]

Of couse not john,the bottom line is that DI is the author of some interesting,thought provoking books and theories......why should that give him god status?
Ive said before,if he heard that people regarded him as some kind of of 'god' hed run a mile.
I have no idols,no gods to worship and dont need to.........i have respect though for some people,including DI.:)

[abrilliantone]

David Icke is not my god (god doesn't exists anyway :eek:) David Icke is simply a part of the whole of my Infinite Oneness. And I love him the same way I love everything. :)

[dondaz]

He's my toaster oven too.:D

[28th kingdom]

Poor Jews... they get blamed for everything... and they've never done anything wrong... I promise... never - not even one thing... unless you consider the death of humanity a thing.

ZINGER!

[tiswas]

I mean the real GOD is my god.

[revolutionary_jam]

In a word, no.

[fresco]

Meh!:rolleyes:

[fresco]

David Icke is not my god, he's my TOASTER OVEN (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6650) :)

That is just genius.:D

[sunyatta60]

Hi sunyatta: forum tip: put your interpreation at the top becuase otherwise people will scroll past the hit peice and might miss where your coming from


Hi John

Thanks for the tip here is another of his denigrations I think people do this because there Ego scares them into doing so. This guy and I had a debate about the Nature of Reality. He said the world is real and I asked him to prove it. He then used the Cogito without knowing he was using the same argument that Descartes used, which is appealing to the senses. I showed him that he is using a Logical Fallacy since then I have had him projecting his psychosis on to me LOL.



Theories of David Icke

According to David Icke reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. He contends that most of the world's leaders, from William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush to members of the British royal family, are in fact related to the 7-foot (2.1 m) tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis.

According to an interview with David Icke, Christine Fitzgerald, a confidante of the late Diana, Princess of Wales, claims that Diana told her that the Royal Family were reptilian aliens, and that they could shapeshift.[15] David Icke and others have claimed that U.S. President George W. Bush and his family are part of this same bloodline (Icke, 2004).

Icke claims, based on his exploration of genealogical connections to European royalty, that many presidents of the United States have been and are reptilian humanoids. In his view, United States foreign policy after September 11 is the product of a reptilian conspiracy to enslave humanity, with George W. Bush as a servant of the reptilians.

He also theorizes that the reptilians came to Earth from the constellation Draco. One type of reptilian entity that people see during alleged encounters resembles reptoids similar to those that are addressed in the studies of John Rhodes and the Reptoids Research Center(s).

America, Jews, capitalism, and democracy will always rule the world we deserve it

[wanderer]

I AM god...and so are you.

Peace,

wanderer

[lifeofbrian]

David Icke is not my god, he's my TOASTER OVEN (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6650) :)

Ms Tin,

subtle as ever. Call it gas chamber while you're at it. Poor taste.

[lifeofbrian]

David Icke And The Politics Of Madness
Where The New Age Meets The Third Reichby Will Offley
February 29, 2000

On the face of it, few people would credit a retired soccer player who rants about a world takeover by blood-drinking lizards from outer space as being much of a threat to democracy. And as a general rule, they would probably be right.

David Icke, however, is an exception to that rule.

Icke, 48, is a native of Leicester, England. For five years he played professionally for the Coventry City and Hereford United soccer teams until forced to retire by arthritis. He subsequently went on to become a sports announcer for BBC-TV. For three years from 1988 to 1991 he was national spokesperson for the British Green Party, until he began a political evolution that was to begin with his expulsion from the Greens and wind up with his current involvement with anti-Semitism, neofascism, and lizards from Mars.1

At first this evolution seemed relatively harmless. Icke began to flirt seriously with New Age theories, and then began to act on them. He dressed in turquoise, and began to call himself the "son of godhead". But by the time his book "The Robot's Rebellion" was printed in 1994, his trajectory had begun to take quite a different course. In 1996, the British magazine "Left Green Perspectives" wrote that this book "indicated a convergence of New Age thinking with Nazi philosophy. Casting aside his pat concerns about the environment, Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory, alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of "The Elite." He openly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler's notion of a global Jewish conspiracy."

The following year Icke brought out another book, "...and the truth shall set you free." This one, however, was self-published, as its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed. And small wonder. The book repeated Icke's previous claims that the Protocols were true, and went on to state: "I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."2

In this book, Icke went even further. He began to flirt explicitly with Holocaust denial, saying "why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."3 He also denounced the Nuremberg Trials as "a farce" and "a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation."4

Icke's politics today are a mishmash of most of the dominant themes of contemporary neofascism, mixed in with a smattering of topics culled from the U.S. militia movement. He has written diatribes on the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as examples of secret plots to take over the world. He opposes gun control as a plot by this Elite, which has deliberately orchestrated numerous mass shootings to whip up opposition to guns.5 He has repeatedly posted anti-abortion literature and articles on his web site.6 He rails against conspiracies to implant microchips in everyone's bodies, coded with the Satanic number "666".7 He even accuses the U.S. government of carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing and murdering 168 men, women and children.8

For a decade Icke has exhibited signs of serious mental instability. In his web site autobiography he reveals that as early as 1990 he became aware of "a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not. It got to the point where I sat on the side of the bed in a hotel room in London in early 1990 and said to whoever or whatever: "If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall." A year later, on holiday in Peru, Icke describes hearing voices: "as I looked at the mound, a voice in my head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me.... Suddenly I felt my feet pulled to the ground again like a magnet, the same as in the newspaper shop, but this time far more powerful. My arms then shot above my head, with no decision by me for them to do so.... A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of my head like a drill, and I could feel the flow going the other way up from the ground through my feet. It was then I heard the third voice in my head, something that has never happened since. It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain".9

Over the last year Icke's writings have become so paranoid and so extreme that many are probably inclined to dismiss him as posing any sort of threat, or requiring a response. Icke is now arguing in all seriousness that the Illuminati plot to take over the world is actually being carried out by a race of extraterrestrial reptiles in human form. They are described, literally, as being child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshippers capable of changing their shape, whose ranks include George Bush, Bill and Hilary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson, among others.10

David Icke is not alone. He is a small industry in a large and lucrative market of often well-to do New Age boomers. He has several web sites, an e-magazine, his own publishing house, and at least 9 books and 4 videotapes to his credit. He is constantly on the road, touring North America, Europe, Australia, South Africa, the Pyramids, and elsewhere. In the last five years he has spoken in Vancouver as many times, and across Canada he can turn out substantial audiences. His organizers claim he had 1,000 people out to hear him at his last gig in Vancouver, and he hopes to fill the Vogue Theatre on March 19. It's a large milieu that can afford the hefty prices Icke charges - up to $67 to attend a lecture, forty to fifty dollars for videotapes - and that generates a sizeable income for Icke and his message of conspiracism, fear and hate.

To organize all this, Icke has developed an international network of people who work with him and for him. They book the dates, churn out the posters and press releases, do the advance work, pick him up at the airport, get him to the hotel, introduce him, and get him back to his flight on time. They also show clearly why David Icke is a dangerous man, because they underscore his politics in an unmistakable way.

Icke is undeniably a flake, and a world-class flake, but his danger comes from his alliances as well as his politics. And it's the far right who handle this man, who package and promote and present his message across Canada and around the world.

Take Joseph Duggan. Duggan is the proprietor of Strong Eagles Productions, the company organizing Icke's current Vancouver speaking engagement. Duggan makes his living in part from organizing B.C. speaking engagements for a string of conspiracy theorists and famous personalities of the extreme right like Glen Kealey, Cathy O'Brien, Len Horowitz and others.11 Duggan also used to be the health editor of Shared Vision until last year, which has itself advertised tours by Icke and hosted speeches by him as well. Interspersed with monthly columns on health foods and natural healing, Duggan's writings in Shared Vision also promoted the far right anti-government activist Murray Gauvreau12, Colorado militia supporter Suzanne Harris13, and the notorious Glen Kealey.14

In March 1997, Duggan's column referred extensively to the book "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" by American writer Richard K. Hoskins.15 Hoskins has been denounced as "a virulent anti-Semite who is a leading ideologue of the Christian Identity movement" by no less a source than Conrad Black's National Post. When Aryan Nations member Buford Furrow was arrested in Los Angeles last August after shooting and wounding five people at a Jewish community centre and murdering a Filipino postal worker, police found a copy of "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" in his car.16

Icke's books and videos are also distributed by an organization in Salmon Arm, B.C. called The Preferred Network. The Preferred Network's web site advertises at least four of Icke's books and the same number of videotapes, as well as an extensive selection of U.S. and Canadian conspiracy materials covering the traditional themes particular to the far right: the government coverup of the Oklahoma City bombing, "The 10 Secrets Revenue Canada Doesn't Want You To Know", "Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins", the AIDS coverup, the Ebola coverup, the Lockerbie coverup, the PanAm 800 coverup, "Satanism And The CIA", and Kari Simpson's expose of the gay agenda in B.C. schools.17

David Lethbridge, director of the Salmon Arm Coalition Against Racism, has described the organizer of The Preferred Network in the following way: "a well-attended demonstration opposing the Multilateral Agreement on Investment was held [in the spring of 1998] in Salmon Arm, B.C.... Working the fringes was Wes Mann, organizer of the Preferred Network. Mann was handing out flyers for conspiracy advocates David Icke, Ted Gunderson and Cathy O'Brien. Whenever he could, Mann would strike up a conversation with one of the demonstrators, then write down their name and phone number. I knew who Mann was. His Preferred Network catalog carries several dozen books and tapes promoting the usual New Age fare: cancer cures, spiritualist prophecies, UFO tales and so on. But much of the catalog consists of materials promoting right-wing militias and right-wing conspiracy theories, and books by notorious fascists and antisemites such as Eustace Mullins. I went over to Mann, who did not recognize me, and began to question him. Within minutes he was telling me that the MAI was the work of a conspiracy organized by the mysterious "Black Nobility" and the "International Bankers". The anti-Jewish code words were obvious. Soon Mann was telling me that the antisemitic forgery The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion was authentic, that the Nazi Holocaust had never occurred, that the contemporary Jews were not Jews at all but descendants of the Turkish Khazars, and that the fascist Eustace Mullins was "a brilliant researcher".18

In Ottawa, Icke's key organizer is Tom J. Kennedy. Kennedy was responsible for much of the organizational detail of Icke's October 1999 speaking tour in Ottawa, Toronto, and Windsor, Ontario, also acting as his gofer and driver.19 But Kennedy's activities do not stop there. He is an active supporter of Canada's DeTax movement, a far right current that imitates the tax-resistance strategies of the Freemen and other Christian Patriot groups in the U.S.20 Kennedy's web site also promotes Glen Kealey's conspiracist workshops, and other similar endeavours.21 And his politics become even clearer when one reads the materials Kennedy has posted on the internet over his own name. On January 18, 1999, he posted an article attacking usury [a favourite code word among the far right for the international Jewish Bankers Conspiracy].22 He had originally found this article on a British web site, and liked it so much he reposted it to his own list. The British group that had written the article, Final Conflict, is one of Britain's hard-core neo-nazi groups, whose web site carries articles entitled "Did Six Million Really Die" and slogans reading "Long Live Death."23 Four months later, on May 6, 1999 Kennedy posted an article on secret societies he had picked up from the Hoffman Wire.24 The Hoffman Wire is a far-right Holocaust denial organization based in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, not far from the headquarters of Aryan Nations.25

Kennedy's web site now carries an article "Fear NOT - The Ultimate Label "Anti-Semitic", which clarifies his endorsement of Icke's politics: "I have always been motivated to find out the real reasons why particular researchers and historians get targeted with the ultimate label "Anti-Semitic" and other lesser labels such as "Neo-Nazi" and "Racist" Needless to say, I was motivated to follow the information in search of reasons why David Icke was being so labelled during his Ontario `99 tour.... Perhaps the unfair labelling of researchers as "Anti-Semites" has a hidden agenda to keep people from seeking the "truth?" Or could this whole "Anti-Semitic" labelling be another "divide and conquer" deflection to keep us busy while the real 10,000 year agenda of the Freemasons and Bilderbergers is being completed? Just wondering??"26 In probability, the labelling of Tom Kennedy as anti-Semitic might have more to do with his stated support for Holocaust denier David Irving ("a meticulous historical researcher"27), or with his pal Ernst Zundel, who told Kennedy in the early 1980's "Tom, you are writing about the usurious money system which reaps the Financial Elite multiple millions annually. What you are writing about is even more sacred than "the holocaust", so be very careful for your well-being!!"28

David Icke's associations with the extreme right are not confined to Canada, nor are they only a recent phenomenon. One of the most ominous instances of this was documented in an article in the London Evening Standard concerning Icke's 1995 speaking tour of Britain to promote his newest book, The Robot's Rebellion. Journalist Mark Honigsbaum reported that "what worries the Jewish community most is that Icke's veiled anti-Semitic references are now attracting the attention of more sinister British forces, in particular Combat 18, the neo-Nazi group which recruits among football's violent hooligan fringe. The Jewish Chronicle has reported how Combat 18 has taken to publicizing Icke's current tour in its internal journal, Putsch. Citing Icke's recent lecture in Glastonbury, Putsch claimed that Icke "spoke of "the sheep" and how the Zionist-operated government, sorry, "Illuminati", uses them for its own ends." The Combat 18 report continued: "He began to talk about the big conspiracy by a group of bankers, media moguls, etc. - always being clever enough not to mention what all these had in common"."29

Combat 18 is fascist. The numbers do not stand for "eighteen" but for "one - eight", the first and eighth letters of the alphabet. A and H, as in Adolph Hitler. C18 was for much of the 90's the most important and the most violent organization in the British neo-Nazi movement, with a number of murders to its credit. 30 C18 has now fallen on hard times. Its main leader, Charlie Sargent, is serving a life term for the first degree murder of one of his own followers, and the group itself promptly split in two over a bitter struggle over finances; but none of this prevented it from carrying out two bombings in black and Bangladeshi neighbourhoods in London last summer, or of being suspected in the bombing of a gay pub that killed two and sent 60 people to hospital.31 Such are David Icke's friends and associates.

Despite this record, Icke enjoys a surprising degree of support from unexpected quarters. Connie Fogal, married to the long-time leftie alderman Harry Rankin, has had her organization, the Defence of Canadian Liberty Association, set up a literature table at one of Icke's appearances. Paul Hellyer's Canada Action Party also had a table at Icke's last Vancouver speech. Icke is listed as a contributor to the supposedly left-wing tabloid The Radical, published in Quesnel and distributed widely throughout B.C. And Icke's tours have been advertised in local New Age publications like Shared Vision and Common Ground.

The fact is that some of what Icke says has a resonance in these quarters. He's against world conspiracies, free trade, the MAI, the WTO and corporate globalism. Many of his far right supporters are active in other areas as well: cannabis legalization, alternative health, anti-corporate activism, even support for native sovereignty struggles like Gustavsen Lake. It's long overdue for the left, the environmental movement, feminists, anti-WTO activists, lesbians and gays, and yes, even New Agers, to start looking more closely at Icke and his friends. The advocates of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism will seldom if ever reveal their real agenda. They prefer to work in the shadows, using coded language, building patiently for a new and improved Reich. The threat they pose is no less real simply because it doesn't register on the radar screen. Yet.

All we need to do is look at Austria to see why these politics have to be confronted, isolated and defeated, and the price we will all pay if they are not.



This is the Crap I have to contend with for saying I believe that Icke is telling us the Truth. The idiot posting it is a Jew or he claims to be and he wants to play the Anti Semetism card.


It's an article looking critically at David Icke just the way he himself has been looking critically at all the world leaders throughout time.

I reckon, if David Icke can dish it, he can take it.

Should David Icke have some phobia re: Jews that is his problem, not a public one.

[john white]

Hi sunyatta: forum tip: put your interpreation at the top becuase otherwise people will scroll past the hit peice and might miss where your coming from


Hi John

Thanks for the tip here is another of his denigrations I think people do this because there Ego scares them into doing so. This guy and I had a debate about the Nature of Reality. He said the world is real and I asked him to prove it. He then used the Cogito without knowing he was using the same argument that Descartes used, which is appealing to the senses. I showed him that he is using a Logical Fallacy since then I have had him projecting his psychosis on to me LOL.



It's usually very hard to show someone they are using a "logical fallacy": their is a certain "cult", if one will, of considering logic to be the only valid way of thinking: thereis also the myth of objectivity (which is the ultimate fallacy of "appeal to authority"). Nonetheless the logical rationalist model is in a lot of trouble and is slowly eroding. I was talking to a materialist ahtiest the other day who basically went to great (mathamatical and everything) lengths to demonstrate the cosmic constant was not significant becuase it was fallacious to apply probability as the proof of anything... I then commented that I found that interesting, becuase in one stroke he had argued to kick the legs out from underneath the entire edifice of the theory of evolution.

I havnt heard back again! ;)

[sunyatta60]

I was talking to a materialist ahtiest the other day who basically went to great (mathamatical and everything) lengths to demonstrate the cosmic constant was not significant becuase it was fallacious to apply probability as the proof of anything.

LOL when I run into people like that I use one word GODEL :)


The Universe is a single life comprising one substance and one soul.
Marucs Aurelias.

[lifeofbrian]

Poor Jews... they get blamed for everything... and they've never done anything wrong... I promise... never - not even one thing... unless you consider the death of humanity a thing.

ZINGER!

"Death of humanity"?

Death of Palestinians, all right, but 'humanity'?

Calm down.

[roxanna222]

Iam God. There is no one above me. Only me. All else is outside of me. My manifestations. All else is illusion. Iam God. (now kneel down and pray to me)

[serpentoffire]

I am God. There is no one above me. Only me. All else is outside of me. My manifestations. All else is illusion. I am God. (now kneel down and pray to me)

http://www.corriere.it/Media/Foto/2003/05_Maggio/03/CANNA.jpg

[mada88]

God is a dog! you gotta check out the definition of the WORD god. Being a god seems pretty boring to me.

[lifeofbrian]

Iam God. There is no one above me. Only me. All else is outside of me. My manifestations. All else is illusion. Iam God. (now kneel down and pray to me)

That's insane.

I am a human. There are many humans gone before me, and coming after me. We are many. People are creators and co-creators. Artists. They create out of a desire to express themselves. I love them.

Together we are what we are looking for.

[positive terror]

David Icke is a creation of God like you and me, and I believe in the Creator, Hes my God, All creations have not the right to be worshiped, only the Creator must be worshiped.
La ilaha ila Allah.

[lifeofbrian]

David Icke is a creation of God like you and me, and I believe in the Creator, Hes my God, All creations have not the right to be worshiped, only the Creator must be worshiped.
La ilaha ila Allah.

What is the prize for worshipping?

[positive terror]

What is the prize for worshipping?

Eternall PARADISE

[lifeofbrian]

Eternall PARADISE

As an atheist, that means nothing to me.

Can you please explain paradise to me?

And how you know about paradise?

[positive terror]

As an atheist, that means nothing to me.

Can you please explain paradise to me?

And how you know about paradise?

One of the pillars of faith in Islam is belief in the resurrection after death. Paradise and Hell are real and it is obligatory to believe in them. Whoever believes in Allaah and does righteous deeds, his final abode will be in Paradise in the real sense, and whoever disbelieves in Allaah will be one of the people of Hell in the real sense, and both of them will abide therein forever.

The enemies of the Prophets – the mushrikeen (polytheists, those who join others in worship with Allaah) and the philosophers and others – denied that the resurrection after death, the Reckoning and Paradise and Hell are real, and they described these things as mere symbols, which they interpreted in a manner different from that in which the believers understand them; this is disbelief in the words of Allaah and His Prophets and Messengers. For Paradise and Hell, the Siraat (a bridge over Hell in the Hereafter), the Balance, the Cistern, the Throne, the Footstool and other things are all real, and we believe in them in the real sense; we do not play about with the words, rather we believe in them implicitly as narrated in the reports.

[positive terror]

The Qur’an clearly tells us that we will be resurrected and that we will eat and drink in Paradise. So it cannot be only spiritual pleasure with God, though that will be a major element of the pleasure.

But we must keep in mind that the nature of our bodies in Paradise will be different than they are now. Hadiths (traditions of the Prophet) tell us that there will be no pain, excrement, or dirt. Our sweat will smell of musk (a big improvement over this world!). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) told us, “Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, said: I have prepared for My pious servants bounties which no eye (has ever) seen, no ear has (ever) heard and no human heart has ever perceived, about which Allah has informed you in the Qur'an” (Muslim). This hadith is an explanation of the qur’anic verse that means:

*{No person knows that is kept hidden for them of joy as a reward forwhat they used to do }* (As-Sajdah 32:17)

[lifeofbrian]

One of the pillars of faith in Islam is belief in the resurrection after death. Paradise and Hell are real and it is obligatory to believe in them. Whoever believes in Allaah and does righteous deeds, his final abode will be in Paradise in the real sense, and whoever disbelieves in Allaah will be one of the people of Hell in the real sense, and both of them will abide therein forever.

The enemies of the Prophets – the mushrikeen (polytheists, those who join others in worship with Allaah) and the philosophers and others – denied that the resurrection after death, the Reckoning and Paradise and Hell are real, and they described these things as mere symbols, which they interpreted in a manner different from that in which the believers understand them; this is disbelief in the words of Allaah and His Prophets and Messengers. For Paradise and Hell, the Siraat (a bridge over Hell in the Hereafter), the Balance, the Cistern, the Throne, the Footstool and other things are all real, and we believe in them in the real sense; we do not play about with the words, rather we believe in them implicitly as narrated in the reports.

I see. Atheists too believe in the power of conscience. Having a clear conscience and not be a liar is very important. The difference between an atheist and a believer in Yahweh/God/Allah is that atheists believe they themselves will have to face the consequences of their actions, and cannot hide behind some deity. Like Catholics or the Maffia; commit a sin on Thursday, get forgiveness on Sunday, and sin again on Monday. Or Christians and their Jesus; he repented already so they are free to not learn anything. That's crazy.

From what I understand of the Muslim Paradise, it is a myth created by a ruler who used to drug his slaves regularly. 72 virgins in a beautiful garden and all that. It's a well known story. Maybe it is disinformation? I don't know.

What version in depth can you give me so that I can develop a better and more nuanced view of the Muslim Paradise? The trigger words like 'footstool' just make me confused as I don't have any refences at hand right now.

Thank you very much in advance.

[auron]

Can you please explain paradise to me?

I suppose paradise differs from person to person.

This is my version.......

Here is my house.

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/25571/2006286956843743933_rs.jpg

Just before i enter, i say hello to my lover...

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/27217/2004845802677036332_rs.jpg

And instead of going inside, we decide to go for a walk into the woods.

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/27744/2006129987155704056_rs.jpg

Where we come across some of these little fellas....

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg

After a few hours of passionate love, we enter our abode for a smoke.

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/28559/2003403027284116829_rs.jpg

Then go to sleep.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3589/aesleepingju3.gif

[sunyatta60]

The Qur’an clearly tells us that we will be resurrected and that we will eat and drink in Paradise. So it cannot be only spiritual pleasure with God, though that will be a major element of the pleasure.

All Organised Religions is Mind Control set up by the Elite because they need slaves like you to serve their System.
The fact is Life is an Illusion and if you want to prove the World is real be my guest I know that you cannot do it :)

[lifeofbrian]

The Qur’an clearly tells us that we will be resurrected and that we will eat and drink in Paradise. So it cannot be only spiritual pleasure with God, though that will be a major element of the pleasure.

All Organised Religions is Mind Control set up by the Elite because they need slaves like you to serve their System.
The fact is Life is an Illusion and if you want to prove the World is real be my guest I know that you cannot do it :)

The Bible too speaks of people physically coming back to life, after having been dead for a long time.

I don't think people should take that literally. The dead bodies/skeletons would be very smelly/non-paradisical.

[positive terror]

I see. Atheists too believe in the power of conscience. Having a clear conscience and not be a liar is very important. The difference between an atheist and a believer in Yahweh/God/Allah is that atheists believe they themselves will have to face the consequences of their actions, and cannot hide behind some deity. Like Catholics or the Maffia; commit a sin on Thursday, get forgiveness on Sunday, and sin again on Monday. Or Christians and their Jesus; he repented already so they are free to not learn anything. That's crazy.

From what I understand of the Muslim Paradise, it is a myth created by a ruler who used to drug his slaves regularly. 72 virgins in a beautiful garden and all that. It's a well known story. Maybe it is disinformation? I don't know.

What version in depth can you give me so that I can develop a better and more nuanced view of the Muslim Paradise? The trigger words like 'footstool' just make me confused as I don't have any refences at hand right now.

Thank you very much in advance.

In fact, the term ‘Heaven’ - capitalized - has a shared meaning in Islam and all the other revealed religions. Primarily, it refers to that beautiful abode where, those who believe in only God, humble themselves to worship Him, do the good and avoid the evil, are promised to go after the end of this worldly life. In this sense, it is the synonym of the "Gardens of Paradise", which is the equivalent of the Arabic word: Jannah. Those blessed dwellers will live there in an everlasting life.

This term, in Christian theology, may also mean a name of God the All Mighty. Again, in the sufist (mystic) tradition of both religions, this term means an ecstatic state of communion with God.

Thus, it is obvious that all the connotations of this word are spiritual and highly exalted, above the human level of worldly experience. It is a transcendental space that the believers, though never experienced, yet are able to conceive through the detailed description that God has supplied them with. This is in order to arouse their incitement and longing for it. It is difficult to quote the many verses in Qur'an that describe Heaven, as these are so many!

It might be sufficient to know that every pleasure in that Heaven is unparalleled to that in the worldly life. It is as the prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh), described to enclose:

"What no eye has ever seen and no ear has never heard and no human heart has ever perceived." (Narrated in the book of compiled hadiths by Imam Muslim.)

Its food, houses, rivers, pleasures… everything is beyond imagination! And because the believer is always attached to the spiritual more than the sensual, even in Heaven, God has made the ultimate ecstasy for the believers there, is to look at His Holy Countenance. Such is a blessing, from which believers never get bored or even get accustomed to, despite familiarity.

Because this term – Heavens - refers to the place and condition of utmost happiness, it was borrowed or say, "hijacked", by those whose philosophy of life is a mere hedonistic one. I think that their choice of this word in particular is evidence, in itself, of their awareness of the model image of happiness and bliss.

But the gap is quite wide, between the model image and this worldly application of pleasure, which is definitely associated with a pain or discomfort of some kind, or at least with the sense of temporality or boredom. For this reason, those hedonists rely on a "carp diem" style of life. This is a Latin expression, which means: "live day by day". This would mean that you must exhaust your pleasure every day for fear that there may not be a second opportunity tomorrow!

If you need to know more about the description of Heaven, from the Islamic point of view, I recommend that you buy a CD of the Qur'an, the Muslim Holy book, and just search for the words "Heavens" and "Gardens of Paradise". Here, you will know much about the rewards that await the believers there and more important, the requirement for a believer to attain them. Such requirements would look simple compared to the reward, and can - with the mercy of God - be reached if one can persevere in obeying Allah and practicing true Islam.

[megafish33]

auron.... what's your religion called? lol I wish to convert from.... uhhh unreligiousness! lol

[pollock]

I suppose paradise differs from person to person.

This is my version.......

Here is my house.

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/25571/2006286956843743933_rs.jpg

Just before i enter, i say hello to my lover...

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/27217/2004845802677036332_rs.jpg

And instead of going inside, we decide to go for a walk into the woods.

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/27744/2006129987155704056_rs.jpg

Where we come across some of these little fellas....

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg

After a few hours of passionate love, we enter our abode for a smoke.

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/28559/2003403027284116829_rs.jpg

Then go to sleep.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3589/aesleepingju3.gif



OOOH yes!

And to answer the question put in the first post: NO

My god is life itself, and I worship by living fully with love, my paradise is this world and my duty is to protect it!
F

[positive terror]

The Description of Paradise


The Qur’an and Sunnah are full of references to Paradise and the great reward that is in store for those who believe and do righteousness in this life. The reward for goodness is eternal goodness, and the reward for evil is torment and despair.

Rewards for males and females, although different according to their inherent nature that Allah has created them with, are equally gratifying. No one will feel any resentment towards others, nor envy. Peace is the state in which all will exist forever, regardless of any differences they may have had in this life.

The Qur’an says what means:

*{If any do deeds of righteousness—be they male or female—and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:124)

They will wear the finest clothing and live in the best of surroundings. It was narrated by Imam Muslim that Abu Bakr ibn `Abdullah ibn Qais reported on the authority of his father that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said that in Paradise there would be for a believer a tent of a single hollowed pearl the breadth of which would be sixty miles. It would be meant for a believer, and the believers would go around it and none would be able to see the others.

In the same regards, Allah says in His glorious Book what means:
*{Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow: they shall be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and pearls; and their garments there will be of silk.}* (Al-Hajj 22:23)

He also says what means:
*{[Other] faces that Day will be joyful, pleased with their striving, in a Garden on high, where they shall hear no [word] of vanity: Therein will be a bubbling spring: Therein will be thrones [of dignity], raised on high, goblets placed [ready], and cushions set in rows, and rich carpets [all] spread out.}* (Al-Ghashiyah 88:8-16)

Trees bearing fruits of all kinds, and of types we have not seen or imagined, will be there for those who strived to do their best in this life. The trees will bend their branches down for believers to reach them! All we need to do is to long for a particular one. Rivers of wine that does not intoxicate, rivers of honey, the purest of waters, and milk are all waiting for believers to enjoy.

Eternal youth will be the state of existence for those who inhabit Paradise. The food of Paradise is so pure that their bodies will not produce any wastes, only sweat whose fragrance is musk.

But just as the best things in this life do not come easy, neither does the reward of Paradise come cheap. It is something that requires great effort on our part as Muslims to live a righteous life in Islam and invite others to it as well. We must struggle with our utmost effort to achieve excellence in everything we do and in every relationship we have so that we can achieve the utmost in rewards, Paradise.

The Qur’an says what means:
*{Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that [of the whole] of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.}* (Aal `Imran 3:133)

I hope this has helped you with your question. I encourage you to study the Qur’an to learn what it takes to receive this great reward and to teach what you learn to others. May Allah bless and reward you, and lead us all to what pleases Him. Ameen.

[serpentoffire]

In fact, the term ‘Heaven’ - capitalized - has a shared meaning in Islam and all the other revealed religions...

I believe that God, angels, fallen angels, demons and spirits are all real and that they are living in an energy frequency different from our universe but superimposed to our world. This multiplicity of universes is named usually multiverse and I resumed this concept in this picture:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/multiverse1.jpg

I'm catholic but I don't want to impose to you or other in this forum my opinions. We are here only to share our experience because we come from different histories of life.

I think that Catholics, Islamics , Jewish, Indians, ... share the same divinities. We use different names and stories but the substance is only the same.

I see a lot of paranormal activity around me and I can assure you the supernatural world exists and lives with us. Angel and demons are real.

I image that heaven is like a globe of energy in the multidimensional space. After the physical death our spirit will be around this globe.

Dante Alighieri in his "Divina Commedia" has described the heaven in the same manner.

http://astrocultura.uai.it/img/paradisodante.jpg

[celtic isis]

David Icke And The Politics Of Madness
Where The New Age Meets The Third Reichby Will Offley
February 29, 2000

On the face of it, few people would credit a retired soccer player who rants about a world takeover by blood-drinking lizards from outer space as being much of a threat to democracy. And as a general rule, they would probably be right.

David Icke, however, is an exception to that rule.

Icke, 48, is a native of Leicester, England. For five years he played professionally for the Coventry City and Hereford United soccer teams until forced to retire by arthritis. He subsequently went on to become a sports announcer for BBC-TV. For three years from 1988 to 1991 he was national spokesperson for the British Green Party, until he began a political evolution that was to begin with his expulsion from the Greens and wind up with his current involvement with anti-Semitism, neofascism, and lizards from Mars.1

At first this evolution seemed relatively harmless. Icke began to flirt seriously with New Age theories, and then began to act on them. He dressed in turquoise, and began to call himself the "son of godhead". But by the time his book "The Robot's Rebellion" was printed in 1994, his trajectory had begun to take quite a different course. In 1996, the British magazine "Left Green Perspectives" wrote that this book "indicated a convergence of New Age thinking with Nazi philosophy. Casting aside his pat concerns about the environment, Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory, alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of "The Elite." He openly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler's notion of a global Jewish conspiracy."

The following year Icke brought out another book, "...and the truth shall set you free." This one, however, was self-published, as its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed. And small wonder. The book repeated Icke's previous claims that the Protocols were true, and went on to state: "I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."2

In this book, Icke went even further. He began to flirt explicitly with Holocaust denial, saying "why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."3 He also denounced the Nuremberg Trials as "a farce" and "a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation."4

Icke's politics today are a mishmash of most of the dominant themes of contemporary neofascism, mixed in with a smattering of topics culled from the U.S. militia movement. He has written diatribes on the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as examples of secret plots to take over the world. He opposes gun control as a plot by this Elite, which has deliberately orchestrated numerous mass shootings to whip up opposition to guns.5 He has repeatedly posted anti-abortion literature and articles on his web site.6 He rails against conspiracies to implant microchips in everyone's bodies, coded with the Satanic number "666".7 He even accuses the U.S. government of carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing and murdering 168 men, women and children.8

For a decade Icke has exhibited signs of serious mental instability. In his web site autobiography he reveals that as early as 1990 he became aware of "a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not. It got to the point where I sat on the side of the bed in a hotel room in London in early 1990 and said to whoever or whatever: "If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall." A year later, on holiday in Peru, Icke describes hearing voices: "as I looked at the mound, a voice in my head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me.... Suddenly I felt my feet pulled to the ground again like a magnet, the same as in the newspaper shop, but this time far more powerful. My arms then shot above my head, with no decision by me for them to do so.... A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of my head like a drill, and I could feel the flow going the other way up from the ground through my feet. It was then I heard the third voice in my head, something that has never happened since. It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain".9

Over the last year Icke's writings have become so paranoid and so extreme that many are probably inclined to dismiss him as posing any sort of threat, or requiring a response. Icke is now arguing in all seriousness that the Illuminati plot to take over the world is actually being carried out by a race of extraterrestrial reptiles in human form. They are described, literally, as being child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshippers capable of changing their shape, whose ranks include George Bush, Bill and Hilary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson, among others.10

David Icke is not alone. He is a small industry in a large and lucrative market of often well-to do New Age boomers. He has several web sites, an e-magazine, his own publishing house, and at least 9 books and 4 videotapes to his credit. He is constantly on the road, touring North America, Europe, Australia, South Africa, the Pyramids, and elsewhere. In the last five years he has spoken in Vancouver as many times, and across Canada he can turn out substantial audiences. His organizers claim he had 1,000 people out to hear him at his last gig in Vancouver, and he hopes to fill the Vogue Theatre on March 19. It's a large milieu that can afford the hefty prices Icke charges - up to $67 to attend a lecture, forty to fifty dollars for videotapes - and that generates a sizeable income for Icke and his message of conspiracism, fear and hate.

To organize all this, Icke has developed an international network of people who work with him and for him. They book the dates, churn out the posters and press releases, do the advance work, pick him up at the airport, get him to the hotel, introduce him, and get him back to his flight on time. They also show clearly why David Icke is a dangerous man, because they underscore his politics in an unmistakable way.

Icke is undeniably a flake, and a world-class flake, but his danger comes from his alliances as well as his politics. And it's the far right who handle this man, who package and promote and present his message across Canada and around the world.

Take Joseph Duggan. Duggan is the proprietor of Strong Eagles Productions, the company organizing Icke's current Vancouver speaking engagement. Duggan makes his living in part from organizing B.C. speaking engagements for a string of conspiracy theorists and famous personalities of the extreme right like Glen Kealey, Cathy O'Brien, Len Horowitz and others.11 Duggan also used to be the health editor of Shared Vision until last year, which has itself advertised tours by Icke and hosted speeches by him as well. Interspersed with monthly columns on health foods and natural healing, Duggan's writings in Shared Vision also promoted the far right anti-government activist Murray Gauvreau12, Colorado militia supporter Suzanne Harris13, and the notorious Glen Kealey.14

In March 1997, Duggan's column referred extensively to the book "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" by American writer Richard K. Hoskins.15 Hoskins has been denounced as "a virulent anti-Semite who is a leading ideologue of the Christian Identity movement" by no less a source than Conrad Black's National Post. When Aryan Nations member Buford Furrow was arrested in Los Angeles last August after shooting and wounding five people at a Jewish community centre and murdering a Filipino postal worker, police found a copy of "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" in his car.16

Icke's books and videos are also distributed by an organization in Salmon Arm, B.C. called The Preferred Network. The Preferred Network's web site advertises at least four of Icke's books and the same number of videotapes, as well as an extensive selection of U.S. and Canadian conspiracy materials covering the traditional themes particular to the far right: the government coverup of the Oklahoma City bombing, "The 10 Secrets Revenue Canada Doesn't Want You To Know", "Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins", the AIDS coverup, the Ebola coverup, the Lockerbie coverup, the PanAm 800 coverup, "Satanism And The CIA", and Kari Simpson's expose of the gay agenda in B.C. schools.17

David Lethbridge, director of the Salmon Arm Coalition Against Racism, has described the organizer of The Preferred Network in the following way: "a well-attended demonstration opposing the Multilateral Agreement on Investment was held [in the spring of 1998] in Salmon Arm, B.C.... Working the fringes was Wes Mann, organizer of the Preferred Network. Mann was handing out flyers for conspiracy advocates David Icke, Ted Gunderson and Cathy O'Brien. Whenever he could, Mann would strike up a conversation with one of the demonstrators, then write down their name and phone number. I knew who Mann was. His Preferred Network catalog carries several dozen books and tapes promoting the usual New Age fare: cancer cures, spiritualist prophecies, UFO tales and so on. But much of the catalog consists of materials promoting right-wing militias and right-wing conspiracy theories, and books by notorious fascists and antisemites such as Eustace Mullins. I went over to Mann, who did not recognize me, and began to question him. Within minutes he was telling me that the MAI was the work of a conspiracy organized by the mysterious "Black Nobility" and the "International Bankers". The anti-Jewish code words were obvious. Soon Mann was telling me that the antisemitic forgery The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion was authentic, that the Nazi Holocaust had never occurred, that the contemporary Jews were not Jews at all but descendants of the Turkish Khazars, and that the fascist Eustace Mullins was "a brilliant researcher".18

In Ottawa, Icke's key organizer is Tom J. Kennedy. Kennedy was responsible for much of the organizational detail of Icke's October 1999 speaking tour in Ottawa, Toronto, and Windsor, Ontario, also acting as his gofer and driver.19 But Kennedy's activities do not stop there. He is an active supporter of Canada's DeTax movement, a far right current that imitates the tax-resistance strategies of the Freemen and other Christian Patriot groups in the U.S.20 Kennedy's web site also promotes Glen Kealey's conspiracist workshops, and other similar endeavours.21 And his politics become even clearer when one reads the materials Kennedy has posted on the internet over his own name. On January 18, 1999, he posted an article attacking usury [a favourite code word among the far right for the international Jewish Bankers Conspiracy].22 He had originally found this article on a British web site, and liked it so much he reposted it to his own list. The British group that had written the article, Final Conflict, is one of Britain's hard-core neo-nazi groups, whose web site carries articles entitled "Did Six Million Really Die" and slogans reading "Long Live Death."23 Four months later, on May 6, 1999 Kennedy posted an article on secret societies he had picked up from the Hoffman Wire.24 The Hoffman Wire is a far-right Holocaust denial organization based in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, not far from the headquarters of Aryan Nations.25

Kennedy's web site now carries an article "Fear NOT - The Ultimate Label "Anti-Semitic", which clarifies his endorsement of Icke's politics: "I have always been motivated to find out the real reasons why particular researchers and historians get targeted with the ultimate label "Anti-Semitic" and other lesser labels such as "Neo-Nazi" and "Racist" Needless to say, I was motivated to follow the information in search of reasons why David Icke was being so labelled during his Ontario `99 tour.... Perhaps the unfair labelling of researchers as "Anti-Semites" has a hidden agenda to keep people from seeking the "truth?" Or could this whole "Anti-Semitic" labelling be another "divide and conquer" deflection to keep us busy while the real 10,000 year agenda of the Freemasons and Bilderbergers is being completed? Just wondering??"26 In probability, the labelling of Tom Kennedy as anti-Semitic might have more to do with his stated support for Holocaust denier David Irving ("a meticulous historical researcher"27), or with his pal Ernst Zundel, who told Kennedy in the early 1980's "Tom, you are writing about the usurious money system which reaps the Financial Elite multiple millions annually. What you are writing about is even more sacred than "the holocaust", so be very careful for your well-being!!"28

David Icke's associations with the extreme right are not confined to Canada, nor are they only a recent phenomenon. One of the most ominous instances of this was documented in an article in the London Evening Standard concerning Icke's 1995 speaking tour of Britain to promote his newest book, The Robot's Rebellion. Journalist Mark Honigsbaum reported that "what worries the Jewish community most is that Icke's veiled anti-Semitic references are now attracting the attention of more sinister British forces, in particular Combat 18, the neo-Nazi group which recruits among football's violent hooligan fringe. The Jewish Chronicle has reported how Combat 18 has taken to publicizing Icke's current tour in its internal journal, Putsch. Citing Icke's recent lecture in Glastonbury, Putsch claimed that Icke "spoke of "the sheep" and how the Zionist-operated government, sorry, "Illuminati", uses them for its own ends." The Combat 18 report continued: "He began to talk about the big conspiracy by a group of bankers, media moguls, etc. - always being clever enough not to mention what all these had in common"."29

Combat 18 is fascist. The numbers do not stand for "eighteen" but for "one - eight", the first and eighth letters of the alphabet. A and H, as in Adolph Hitler. C18 was for much of the 90's the most important and the most violent organization in the British neo-Nazi movement, with a number of murders to its credit. 30 C18 has now fallen on hard times. Its main leader, Charlie Sargent, is serving a life term for the first degree murder of one of his own followers, and the group itself promptly split in two over a bitter struggle over finances; but none of this prevented it from carrying out two bombings in black and Bangladeshi neighbourhoods in London last summer, or of being suspected in the bombing of a gay pub that killed two and sent 60 people to hospital.31 Such are David Icke's friends and associates.

Despite this record, Icke enjoys a surprising degree of support from unexpected quarters. Connie Fogal, married to the long-time leftie alderman Harry Rankin, has had her organization, the Defence of Canadian Liberty Association, set up a literature table at one of Icke's appearances. Paul Hellyer's Canada Action Party also had a table at Icke's last Vancouver speech. Icke is listed as a contributor to the supposedly left-wing tabloid The Radical, published in Quesnel and distributed widely throughout B.C. And Icke's tours have been advertised in local New Age publications like Shared Vision and Common Ground.

The fact is that some of what Icke says has a resonance in these quarters. He's against world conspiracies, free trade, the MAI, the WTO and corporate globalism. Many of his far right supporters are active in other areas as well: cannabis legalization, alternative health, anti-corporate activism, even support for native sovereignty struggles like Gustavsen Lake. It's long overdue for the left, the environmental movement, feminists, anti-WTO activists, lesbians and gays, and yes, even New Agers, to start looking more closely at Icke and his friends. The advocates of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism will seldom if ever reveal their real agenda. They prefer to work in the shadows, using coded language, building patiently for a new and improved Reich. The threat they pose is no less real simply because it doesn't register on the radar screen. Yet.

All we need to do is look at Austria to see why these politics have to be confronted, isolated and defeated, and the price we will all pay if they are not.



This is the Crap I have to contend with for saying I believe that Icke is telling us the Truth. The idiot posting it is a Jew or he claims to be and he wants to play the Anti Semetism card.

hi there :) i remember posting this article on another thread before lol showing how people take the piss out of icke, no wonder people think he's nuts :mad:

and NO he's not "our God" lol
Each and every one of us are our own gods and th eonly gods we'll ever need. It's up to us folks, no one's looking to save us.

[celtic isis]

Ms Tin,

subtle as ever. Call it gas chamber while you're at it. Poor taste.

:eek:;):D

[celtic isis]

Eternall PARADISE

i'm sorry to rain on your parade hunny but how disappointed will you be when you get to paradise and don't find the 70 something virigns waiting there to tend to your every pleasure LOL :rolleyes:

Could you have been fooled? no never!

get real.

[auron]

auron.... what's your religion called? lol I wish to convert from.... uhhh unreligiousness! lol

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/28581/2005944240106473712_rs.jpg

[asentinel]

I believe that God, angels, fallen angels, demons and spirits are all real and that they are living in an energy frequency different from our universe but superimposed to our world. This multiplicity of universes is named usually multiverse and I resumed this concept in this picture:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/multiverse1.jpg

I'm catholic but I don't want to impose to you or other in this forum my opinions. We are here only to share our experience because we come from different histories of life.

I think that Catholics, Islamics , Jewish, Indians, ... share the same divinities. We use different names and stories but the substance is only the same.

I see a lot of paranormal activity around me and I can assure you the supernatural world exists and lives with us. Angel and demons are real.

I image that heaven is like a globe of energy in the multidimensional space. After the physical death our spirit will be around this globe.

Dante Alighieri in his "Divina Commedia" has described the heaven in the same manner.

]

Hi, thanks for this, it fits with my experiences of travelling, up, or down the worm holes. I have interacted with beings also. Is it all part of the matrix but just a more subtle level for us. Is it all a holographic phenomenon? That is a general question. I found the other diagram interesting also, 5th dimension. Have you seen the lower fourth, when the colour changes to purple and hazy?

Cheers, A.

[celtic isis]

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/28581/2005944240106473712_rs.jpg

Beautiful. :)

That's how we all should be, though i'm one to talk...i know...have to love the sheeple too...they know noteth their sinseth. :D

[celtic isis]

I suppose paradise differs from person to person.

This is my version.......

Here is my house.

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/25571/2006286956843743933_rs.jpg

Just before i enter, i say hello to my lover...

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/27217/2004845802677036332_rs.jpg

And instead of going inside, we decide to go for a walk into the woods.

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/27744/2006129987155704056_rs.jpg

Where we come across some of these little fellas....

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg

After a few hours of passionate love, we enter our abode for a smoke.

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/28559/2003403027284116829_rs.jpg

Then go to sleep.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3589/aesleepingju3.gif

hehe the little baby shrooms make me laugh :D

hours of passionate love :D yikes! :D

[serpentoffire]

Hi, thanks for this, it fits with my experiences of travelling, up, or down the worm holes. I have interacted with beings also. Is it all part of the matrix but just a more subtle level for us. Is it all a holographic phenomenon? That is a general question. I found the other diagram interesting also, 5th dimension. Have you seen the lower fourth, when the colour changes to purple and hazy?
Cheers, A.


I'm strongly intuitive, telepathic and clairvoyant but I never traveled inside a worm hole. I know only the 'warm hole' of my wife. Would you give us more details about?
Thanks

[tinmenace]

Ms Tin,

subtle as ever. Call it gas chamber while you're at it. Poor taste.

We don't all have the same taste in humor. My kind of humor requires the carrot to be pulled all the way out of bum first. :)

[asentinel]

Hey, don't go there friend! Was I clumsy to say it that way? I have not a better description. Perhaps that is not a good one, it just looks like a tunnel surrounded by a gridelike pattern, and you feel your consciousness/perception moving up and sometimes left or right. As I explained before a few times the journey has gone in the other direction, downwards and so when I saw your graph I could relate to the lower or higher frequecies. I have spoken (telepathically) with a being emanating light (female) and as she said "I have to go back now" another (female) came to take her and they both went, "up". I realise I am putting my head on the block here, what the...., I don't care. They are my experiences and that is more powerful to me than a text written by someone else. re: the previous postings on this thread, I am not big on "delayed gratification", do not respond to "rewards", and I want to strike the word "worship" from my dictionary. The concept of worship is baffling "to me".

[asentinel]

There was another experience when I was "walking"/"moving" down a tunnel, no idea if it was underground, but it was tube like, then I saw bodies moving toward me, but just shapes, head, arms and legs like they could have been in suits, but the strange thing was it was deep blue and luminous, and as I looked ahead, not sure what I would do as I encountered these beings, one stepped into/through the tube from the side, as if it was made of material of no resistence, and I watched as another backed out of it, not front ways, but stepped backward. I am wondering if I saw others who where also travelling out of body and this tube was maybe the method, curiously.

I have also seen a tube of luminous blue light at an angle of about 45degrees, a tube like beam, and a suited body was suspended headfirst halfway down.

These can be brief flashes just before I wake in my body. I SWEAR NO SUBSTANCES OF ANY KIND INVOLVED!

Sometimes I wake up and still have the image/memory in my mind of maybe sitting across the table from someone, I can still remember what they were wearing. It is as if I am wrenched back from that world and pulled into my body ready for another encounter in this one. One day I woke up with the image of being under a car, looking at the gutter, then in a flash back I came!

[trumansho]

Alot of people on here do worship icke as their new saviour. And to think they would learn from the elite's man made religion,but now they have a new religion called ickeology.

[trumansho]

Poor Jews... they get blamed for everything... and they've never done anything wrong... I promise... never - not even one thing... unless you consider the death of humanity a thing.

ZINGER!And you don't think jews aren't white?

[serpentoffire]

There was another experience when I was "walking"/"moving" down a tunnel, no idea if it was underground, but it was tube like, then I saw bodies moving toward me, but just shapes, head, arms and legs like they could have been in suits, but the strange thing was it was deep blue and luminous, and as I looked ahead, not sure what I would do as I encountered these beings, one stepped into/through the tube from the side, as if it was made of material of no resistance, and I watched as another backed out of it, not front ways, but stepped backward. I am wondering if I saw others who where also traveling out of body and this tube was maybe the method, curiously.

I have also seen a tube of luminous blue light at an angle of about 45degrees, a tube like beam, and a suited body was suspended headfirst halfway down.

These can be brief flashes just before I wake in my body. I SWEAR NO SUBSTANCES OF ANY KIND INVOLVED!

Sometimes I wake up and still have the image/memory in my mind of maybe sitting across the table from someone, I can still remember what they were wearing. It is as if I am wrenched back from that world and pulled into my body ready for another encounter in this one. One day I woke up with the image of being under a car, looking at the gutter, then in a flash back I came!

I don't think this is an out of body experience. Your brain can't survive without your soul. This is only an expression of clairvoyance generated by your kundalini energy that connects your body to upper/lower frequencies of multiverse. Your soul is trapped in your body until you die but your third eye can see more far than you can believe, in term of space or time because space-time doesn't exist.


http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/string.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

Is Icke Your God?

No and he wouldn't wan't me or any man to think of him that way. It's a dumb question.:rolleyes: Which I can only give a one line answer too.

[asentinel]

[QUOTE=serpentoffire;129052]I don't think this is an out of body experience. Your brain can't survive without your soul. This is only an expression of clairvoyance generated by your kundalini energy that connects your body to upper/lower frequencies of multiverse. Your soul is trapped in your body until you die but your third eye can see more far than you can believe, in term of space or time because space-time doesn't exist.


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Thanks for that, you've helped. So what do you think is happening when people are having an out of body exp? Actually the idea of separating my astral body and going off somewhere does not appeal. I think it would leave your physical body vulnerable.

Re: in the workplace, the controllers, they give up when you imitate them and are in their faces a lot. A parody of a parody is not amusing. Just be a mirror. They will slide off. There are various degrees of possession of controllers, percentage of infestation I guess.

Also I think once you understand what is going on, then you must periodically put your mind on other things, to refresh and stop exhaustion from setting in. Afterall, the more they have people totally focussed on their agenda, we all become hooked into being co-creators of the details for them.

However, the worst thing we could do would be to stay silent or afraid to speak out, suspicious of sharing info with each other, watch what we are saying etc. That sort of fear is delivering a win also.

So somehow we should be walking a middle road. The nay sayers say that we should be careful, sensible, reasonable, prudent, but that sounds like censorship. That is part of the plan, have us censor ourselves.

Thanks for the great visuals. best wishes.

[serpentoffire]

So what do you think is happening when people are having an out of body exp?

Out of body experience is due to your third eye that is able to see without limits of time and space.

You have three layer:
phisical
kundalini (your personal gate between universes)
soulEverybody can replace this list with his preferred labels. The substance doesn't change.

If your soul is disconnected first that it's ready, you'll be condemned to live superimposed to earth matter (hell). If you are lucky you need to ramble in order to increase your energy stealing it from human beings (purgatory).

But if you accept the light of God inside you, you'll feel grow a real angel superimposed to your body.
This is what I fell and I am.

[asentinel]

We all have to decide for ourselves what we believe or want to observe as a practice or faith.

I struggle to see how any two people could agree except in broad terms, and if not, it requires a boundary to be set up, restriction of personal interpretation within approved organised lines.

So I think all are free to come and go and change and realign or not in whatever manner suits them. I would not want to say anyone must see things in the same way I do, it's an absurd concept.

Whatever you feel is a concept of god hopefully will bring you peace of mind and a helpful way of living.

If someone wants to "worship" DI? I have no problem with that either. (I am positive he would not want that.) It is quite understandable, afterall he is offering a bit of light and strength on a dark horizon of the prison planet. Earth has been oppressed for so long. Actually he probably is receiving some much needed healing energy from positive thoughts toward him. If he is another rock star to these people, who at some later stage may see things differently, so what. I don't think he has any evil intention. Nor do they, just gratitude for his courage to speak his truth.

I've communicated with beings dressed in white, while in an altered state, am sure they were'nt white coats, or sheets and pointy hats, so the truth is out there... decide for yourself.

Currently under-medicated, and trying to grow wings, but can't decide which colour will be "important" in this season. I am leaning toward silver at this stage.

Safe flying. Thanks for your answer SOF, yes I like your explanation that it is all the same but just different descriptions and definitions. It is the only thing that does not make my brain/brane hurt.

[serpentoffire]

I've communicated with beings dressed in white, while in an altered state, am sure they were'nt white coats, or sheets and pointy hats, so the truth is out there... decide for yourself.


I think that what you saw it is real but is also a translation of an external entity to accommodate your reality perception. Most of people are not ready to think angels and demons in its real form. I’m working to spread this information.

I really saw in front of me something like this:

http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/may05/tenthousand02.jpg

We are not alone. GOD and its angels are with us.

[tinmenace]

Anyone who thinks (I use that word VERY loosely) that David is some kind of god/savior/messiah to him/herself or to anyone else, or who really believes that there is such a "religion" as Ickeology is a complete moron. I mean a complete and utter doofus loser.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/loser.jpg

[graflok]

Anyone who thinks (I use that word VERY loosely) that David is some kind of god/savior/messiah to him/herself or to anyone else, or who really believes that there is such a "religion" as Ickeology is a complete moron. I mean a complete and utter doofus loser.


Right on!

http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/27893/2002370308584381449_rs.jpg

[celtic isis]

Alot of people on here do worship icke as their new saviour. And to think they would learn from the elite's man made religion,but now they have a new religion called ickeology.

Who are "alot of people on here"? :confused:

look the god/saviour is in YOU, once you know that, that's all you need. :)
all the people i natter with on here seem to know this :rolleyes: there's a big difference between admiring someone and worshipping them.

[celtic isis]

Anyone who thinks (I use that word VERY loosely) that David is some kind of god/savior/messiah to him/herself or to anyone else, or who really believes that there is such a "religion" as Ickeology is a complete moron. I mean a complete and utter doofus loser.

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/loser.jpg


is this you tin? :)

[jinjo5]

I suppose paradise differs from person to person.

This is my version.......

Here is my house.

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/25571/2006286956843743933_rs.jpg

Just before i enter, i say hello to my lover...

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/27217/2004845802677036332_rs.jpg

And instead of going inside, we decide to go for a walk into the woods.

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/27744/2006129987155704056_rs.jpg

Where we come across some of these little fellas....

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg

After a few hours of passionate love, we enter our abode for a smoke.

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/28559/2003403027284116829_rs.jpg

Then go to sleep.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3589/aesleepingju3.gif
That second picture is one of the most beautiful,magical ever,ive put it on my desk-top background.gorgeous.:)

[lydia78]

I suppose paradise differs from person to person.

This is my version.......

Here is my house.

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/25571/2006286956843743933_rs.jpg

Just before i enter, i say hello to my lover...

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/27217/2004845802677036332_rs.jpg

And instead of going inside, we decide to go for a walk into the woods.

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/27744/2006129987155704056_rs.jpg

Where we come across some of these little fellas....

http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ImgGalery/Dictionary/Freshly-Picked-Shrooms.jpg

After a few hours of passionate love, we enter our abode for a smoke.

http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/28559/2003403027284116829_rs.jpg

Then go to sleep.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3589/aesleepingju3.gif


Beautiful auron...who the hell need mills and boons
when we have you!!:)hehe

But be sure to stick to the intinery though
smoke first and your lovely plans will be foiled
instead you and your lover will just end up
cabbaged and in need of munchies!! :D

really love the pics you've been posting!!
gorgeous!!:D

[tinmenace]

is this you tin? :)

No, but I do love her eye color. My sister has that color eyes. Mine are hazel-green. :)

[lilly555]

I just want to clarify that of course David Icke isn't my god. He's my Jesus. :p

The infinate conciousness would be my god, duh.:cool: :)

[celtic isis]

No, but I do love her eye color. My sister has that color eyes. Mine are hazel-green. :)

:)

i liked her nails lol :) i should have nails like that but i don't lol

yeah i'd like brown eyes too, brown eyes and curly hair too things i don't have, except for down there! lol

i just said that cause it rhymed and cause i'm a sad person lol

[celtic isis]

I just want to clarify that of course David Icke isn't my god. He's my Jesus. :p

The infinate conciousness would be my god, duh.:cool: :)

tee hee hee :D well said lilly

[tinmenace]

:)

i liked her nails lol :) i should have nails like that but i don't lol

yeah i'd like brown eyes too, brown eyes and curly hair too things i don't have, except for down there! lol

i just said that cause it rhymed and cause i'm a sad person lol

I have curly hair, very curly! Spirally curly, and let me say that curls are not all that. It's hard work keeping frizz out, blah blah. I hated my hair for the first 20 years of my life. Now I just let it do its thing. I stopped fighting it, and now we have a truce. :D

[phoenix1]

Is David Icke my God ???

No ... no Gods no Masters .. No Man or mortal form can be "God Scource"..essentially .. because he/she derives from the PRIMAL UNITY .. The Primal Scission is undefinable. infinite and in dilutable.. The Perfect ONE cannot be divided. Its absolute.

So no David Icke is not my God nor any other .. simple really innit:):cool::rolleyes:

LOL

Namaste..Phoenix:)

[celtic isis]

I have curly hair, very curly! Spirally curly, and let me say that curls are not all that. It's hard work keeping frizz out, blah blah. I hated my hair for the first 20 years of my life. Now I just let it do its thing. I stopped fighting it, and now we have a truce. :D

hehe you could pass some of yer curls my way :D

a hair truce!

[eat_a_grey]

I dont believe in any 'god' or 'supreme being'.

I see Icke as a shaman/prophet figure.

[phoenix1]

When I see David Icke ... I see myself and all others including David Icke reflecting back from the Cosmic Unity Consciouness... basically that means that no ONE is special or Godlike /Prophetlike to me. As I realise supreme potentiality in all biengs in inescapable.

Essentialy... all of us have shared revelations,and these are reflected into and back from the Cosmic Mind , in which we all are a part of and share ,and so no ONE is more important then any other smaller untity that makes up the All One .

I cant "simplify".. as that word is becoming obsolete too, the nearest I can think of is consiousness awareness of self and other unities...harmonically resonating , in the different pulses of life,that define the whole.

This conclusion though..... is of course subject to change... like all things.

All the Love

Phoenix:)

[jinjo5]

....i suppose the safe the ground to take is that no-one or anything is anymore important than you,it seems a miracle we are here at all.
I dont know if im getting soft in my old age but every second of our existence seems to be of immense significance.

[real6]

This is the only true GOD!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/REAL6/Misc/bywhopower.jpg

[cheesedanish]

I would say Icke is the one who opened my eyes

[byrdsmaniac]

Yes, David Icke is God. In fact, I'm opening a Disneyland-like park to honor him, called Icke Goo Park.

[alexph777]

This is old news, though.

I think the guy is a knowing disinformer.

Of course David is telling the truth - its really frustrating when the manipluators twist your argument.

They say where the sun don't shine but I guess the illumanti's sun really does shine out of their anus.

As always try to see this things with a good dose of humour. :)

[chandrakavi]

"BEING THE ONE IS LIKE BEING IN LOVE, NO ONE CAN SHOW YOU,
YOU JUST KNOW IT"

That's exactly so, disinformers still believe in Gods, and all kinds of BS,
why waste time with them?; they will never understand, not in a million years, they are like little kids,they ask seemingly interesting questions, but are not interested in the answers...

[abrilliantone]

David Icke is not my god (god doesn't exists anyway :eek:) David Icke is simply a part of the whole of my Infinite Oneness. And I love him the same way I love everything. :)

;):D:):cool:

[alexph777]

"BEING THE ONE IS LIKE BEING IN LOVE, NO ONE CAN SHOW YOU,
YOU JUST KNOW IT"

That's exactly so, disinformers still believe in Gods, and all kinds of BS,
why waste time with them?; they will never understand, not in a million years, they are like little kids,they ask seemingly interesting questions, but are not interested in the answers...

Thanks! :) Comforting I'm not the only one with like mind. It can feel really lonely at times.

Actually, it was inspired from what the Oracle said to Neo in the Matrix move.

Lovely avatar btw. Where did you get it? :)

[chandrakavi]

Thanks! :) Comforting I'm not the only one with like mind. It can feel really lonely at times.

Actually, it was inspired from what the Oracle said to Neo in the Matrix move.

Lovely avatar btw. Where did you get it? :)

It is the Aries symbol in astrology, I got it from internet
a long time ago, you can get all the astrological symbols from
Aries to Piscis. I don't remember now, but look it up and you'll find it,

One should learn to enjoy aloneness, not needing the other at times.
Lonely is the need of the other. Once you learn to enjoy being with yourself,
which is learned through meditation, you'll never be lonely again.

INFINITE LOVE TO YOU:):D

[tothestars]

You all are God to me :D

Thanks for letting me love you for all eternity :)