Some Icke I Like

[john white]

Dreaming our lives away

Since Brazil, I have understood more about the nature of our dream-world reality. I walked along a beach on one occasion in an altered state on a beautiful sunny day thanks to 'magic mushrooms'. It is the only other time I have taken anything to access an altered reality. The voice said to me: "Look around you, does it not seem like a dream? Does it not feel like a dream that you have in sleep?" It certainly did and later the 'memory' of the experience was extremely dream-like. Did it happen? Was it really all a dream? It was like walking through a painting, a reality 'bubble', and laughter came far easier than it does in the purely five-sense state. What I found interesting was the way that 'this world' phenomena could bring me out of the altered state in an instant. I was walking along enjoying my expanded reality when I saw a police car and began to think of the authoritarian system .. Immediately I was out of my altered state and back 'here'. Later I began to think about something relating to fear and the same happened. Whenever I checked the 'time' on my watch I was kicked out of the altered state as I related to the reality of the Time Loop. This allowed me to understand more of how the Time Loop/Matrix holds us in a manipulated reality and why the system is structured as it is

("Tales from the Timeloop" p340)

Anyone else vibe with this?

[jimijams]

I once smoked DMT and the experience left me convinced that our 'lives' are most definitely a dream of sorts.. You know the feeling you have when you wake up in your bed after a nightmare or intense dream, well that sense of relief that you feel was the same feeling I had after I smoked the DMT, I woke up and kissed my pillow.

Whether or not the place I went to on DMT was another dream I don't know..

"Row, row, row your boat,
Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream."

[jimijams]

laughter came far easier than it does in the purely five-sense state.
This is very true with mushrooms, everything that you deem to be impotant or serious normally becomes quite ridiculous..
On my last exprience with mushrooms two of my friends who are also brothers were arguing(they obvously wern't in the same state as me) and it seemed like the funniest thing although they were really serious..
It reminded me of one of those crazy dudes you sometimes see walking down the street yelling at himself..

[cmdr_sabbathius]

I have to ask. What is DMT?

laughter came far easier than it does in the purely five-sense state.

I've smoked some good weed before. They called it giggle weed. It made you laugh at everything! :D

[jimijams]

I have to ask. What is DMT?



I've smoked some good weed before. They called it giggle weed. It made you laugh at everything! :D
DMT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yG42lFHK7Cc

Joe Rogan talks about DMT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

Dimethyltryptamine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

[thirdwave]

Anyone else vibe with this?


When I was on acid many years ago I remember this one trip where I said to my friend we might be dead... and we both could not work out if we were and what death actually was... we were not freaked, it felt very powerful!

its like when you are in a strong dream state, it is real, its only when you come out of it it looks unreal.... and in fact sometimes I have woken up pissed off that something was a dream and not real as it felt so real....

[phoenix1]

Years back I took loads of Acid, and Welsh magic mushrooms.

I was well known to the local police back then, I later moved and still did shrooms and acid.

But i'll tell ya this...when I saw the pigs, whether I knew them or no, they still struck the "fear" into you, which is always more intense on Acid, or psilocybin of any type.

Biut on seeing the pigs, didn't snap me back to 5 sense, allways I was still in the expanded state.

Its a chemical...you cannot "Snap back to 5 sense" until the effect wears away.

And thats a fact.

I aint calling no body a liar (for saying back to reality)...but I know my Psycadelics..and I know you cant just "Snap out " When your in, your in, for the duration of the trip.

I don't do it these days...but I know what i'm talking about when it comes to acid and mushrooms.

[john white]

There's a number of things I like about this peice. For starters, beaches are wonderful places to soak up a "fresh" vibe away from all the psychic toxins of towns and cities: I've hung out on a few myself! The energy from the sea is particularily effective in washing away illusionary perceptions, doubly so if tripping out, the sand, the rocks, the water, the sky, all become fascinating: instead of a mundane mechanical reality,our perceptions are refreshed, we find the world anew. There's no mechanical "Time" on beaches either, at least natural ones like I enjoyed living down in Cornwall: one is in a place objectively unchanged for thousands of years: unchanged yet constantly changing. One has only what one brings with one: In a similar way to deserts, beaches are magical places: especially with regard to earth energies: always strong Mary energy by the Sea ("serpent" energy by another word)

I can understand anyone whose tripped in the past having questions about the veracity of Ickes account, but I give him benefit of the doubt on it. Icke is, after all, a powerful Shaman. And I know from personal experiance that one's consciousness reacts differently to hallucinogens as one "develops" (for want of a better term) spiritually. Much of Ickes peice refers to where we put our attention: focusing on his watch brought him into the "Time" reality: focusing on the cop car (with all those lovely black n white squares) brought him down to the vibrationary level the NWO works at: but his overall shamanic experiance enabled him to keep an observer viewpoint and report back on the experiance: with the overall message, as far as what i percieve, that we are our own centre: Nice!

[jimijams]

You don't need substances to alter consciousness.. One of my favorite things to do is ride my bike, this is a great way to get in to an altered consciousness, as I fly down the bike path new ideas and concepts fly in to my mind, but when I hit a main road with traffic poof! Gone, back to 3d..:(

[john white]

You don't need substances to alter consciousness.. One of my favorite things to do is ride my bike, this is a great way to get in to an altered consciousness, as I fly down the bike path new ideas and concepts fly in to my mind, but when I hit a main road with traffic poof! Gone, back to 3d..:(

Oh for sure! We'd be in a pretty pass if munching shrooms was the only way to exist in a different consciousness. Obviously its worth discussing psychadelics in the context of this particular quote, but focusing too much on them is a red herring IMO: after all, tools become traps! (whether a mushroom, a crystal, a dowsing rod... etc etc). We are consciouness: infinite in our potential diversity

[bigus_dickus]

you don't need drugs to help you see that reality is not what it seems. in fact it is the wrong way. it didn't take me dmt or aya or acid or shrooms to see the fakeness of concepts, all you need is a working brain. get your brains working and leave them drugs alone.

[oneofmany]

DMT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yG42lFHK7Cc

Joe Rogan talks about DMT
http://youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

Dimethyltryptamine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

when your talking DMT, you cant go past Terrence McKenna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oigtSg6ZFiw

for a link on how the Mushroom inspired Religion go
here http://www.jamesarthur.net/ja.html

[thirdwave]

I do not think Icke meant he sobered up when he saw the police....

I know what he means... just because you are on Acid it does not mean you are tripping... I know people who have done like 5 trips and I have done 1, yet they did not want to come for a walk with me because they just wanted to stay in and listen to (safe with the beat music).

you can be tripping with your head in the sky, you see a police car and even though you are still under the influence you come back to the reality that they are defending.... even though it looks more full of shit than ever, you still get sucked into it....

also mushrooms are not as intense as good Acid... you can kind of think you are sober until boom!, it kicks in again and you think you are pressed up on the sealing or something..

[STARWALKER]

I like this thread! :D

[freespark]

Oh for sure! We'd be in a pretty pass if munching shrooms was the only way to exist in a different consciousness. Obviously its worth discussing psychadelics in the context of this particular quote, but focusing too much on them is a red herring IMO: after all, tools become traps! (whether a mushroom, a crystal, a dowsing rod... etc etc). We are consciouness: infinite in our potential diversity

Remember though that the only thing that traps us in this reality is our thoughts. Drugs break down our thought barriers so hence open us up to experience the moment of now more on many other levels. It's our conciousness that holds us here nothing else.

I think you are right that they would indeed become a trap or crutch, but i think they are usefull in helping us to rapidly experience an altered reality or conciousness. Acid and shrooms kick you out of that state of our conciousness but you can also get 'popped' back into the reality of the moment again because it is your thoughts that are in charge.

Ketamine on the other hand is a whole different kettle of fish...i took some once and was blown away. It was like experiencing all the energy of life, seeing and feeling the molecules of existence and the 'oneness' of everything all flowing and 'being' as one.. It was an amazing experience. Unlimited potential and unlimited conciousness. I felt 'oneness' like never before and the feeling of being connected to all of life and creation...alot like Ickes comments about his hayuasca experiences.

We can use drugs as gateways without being 'dependant' on them. I think it would help us evolve. All we need to evolve is our thinking and our minds.

I'm not advocating everyone gets fucked, but i am saying that drugs could be tools to another conciousness, and used in the right ways could perhaps set us free.

Look at the indians, shaymens and other native tribes. They all use some form of hallucigen (EDIT) in thier ceremonies and wat not.

[jimijams]

you don't need drugs to help you see that reality is not what it seems. in fact it is the wrong way. it didn't take me dmt or aya or acid or shrooms to see the fakeness of concepts, all you need is a working brain. get your brains working and leave them drugs alone.
What you said is correct except DMT isn't a drug but indeed a molecule that is produced and exist in our brains.. My definition of a drug is a foreign chemical introduced in to the body..
When you smoke DMT it increases the level in the brain which causes the brain to change frequencies same as if you change stations on your TV.. Your brain quickley builds up a tolerance to the extra DMT and you then return to station normal(Usually 10min)with no hangover, side effects nothing, you could get in your car and drive without a problem..

[oneofmany]

The problem with DMT is that the trip is so short because the molecule breaks down in the body fairly rapidly. Terrence McKenna called it the Businessmans Trip, because he said it was the only drug that a business man could afford to take in his lunch break and be ready for work after it. On the other hand once the effect of the mushroom kicks in, the effect can last for hours.
Of note also is that each drug opens a different doorway of consciousness, and different types of mushrooms have different effects.
My personal policies on these things are if it was manufactured, steer clear. If it grows, then its a go :)

P.S That goes for medication as well, and I personally am not condoning the illegal use of drugs

[john white]

I want to say thanks to everyone for their replies so far: theres been some cracking links, and I definately think pharmacratic inquisition is well worth checking out: very interesting info. I thought I'd broaden things out by adding some more Icke to the thread:

Some more Icke I like:

Love thy "enemy"?

People have said that they can't understand why I say we must love those that seek to control us and perpetuate human suffering. But love is Oneness and so love is the balance of all things. Hatred comes from the illusion of division. Hate is not the other polarity of love because love is Oneness and Oneness has no polarities. If we hate those who cause the mayhem we are holding ourselves in the illusion and, therefore, the control of those we hate. This is yet another loop. The manipulators are full of hate and fear; so do we want to join them?? To love someone is not to stand by and let them impose their will upon you or others. Love stands up for what it believes to be right no matter what the challenge or intimidation. It is possible to expose what is going on and change that reality without hating those involved. It is essential to do this because, otherwise, we are the same as that which we claim to dislike. We see this all the time when we delude ourselves into believing that the methods we condemn, when used by others, can be justified for us to employ because we are trying to do "good". You do not achieve what you believe to be right by doing what you know to be wrong.

Friedrich Nietzsche put it like this:
"He who fights with monsters might take care; lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into You."

How often do we see those who challenge "evil" turn into a mirror of those they condemn? Look at the political Left and Right as one prime example. The far Left hates the far Right and vice versa. Yet they are the same in both thought and method. Hatred, resentment and a need for revenge are cancers of the soul. When we feel these emotions, who are the victims? We are. The targets might be having a great time, unaware of how we feel about them, while we cook in our own stew of seething fury at the expense of joy and happiness. Hatred and resentment are, with fear, the ultimate in self abuse. It's time to let them go and see them for the illusions that they are. We don't need to fight the Illuminati, but change the reality in which
they exist.

Scientist and philosopher Buckminster Fuller said: "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."

(Tales from the timeloop p463)

[jimijams]

Some more Icke I like: "Hate is not the other polarity of love because love is Oneness and Oneness has no polarities. If we hate those who cause the mayhem we are holding ourselves in the illusion and, therefore, the control of those we hate."
True, hate is love turned inside out.. Both are opposames and both require focused attention on the object of the hate/love..
There is different kinds of love, the romantic love that we are conditioned to feel from movies/TV etc. this does not normally last long, and true love which is energy, all that is.. This cannot be portrayed by words or movies but only through feelings, normally through your heart chakra..
Have you ever felt the echange of that energy with somebody you truly love?
It's like a woosh for want of a better word through your heart chakra..

[oneofmany]

Motives are a big problem with the way people live in this world. Everyone has one and most are wrong, but David Icke was right when he said

People have said that they can't understand why I say we must love those that seek to control us and perpetuate human suffering. But love is Oneness and so love is the balance of all things. Hatred comes from the illusion of division.what i think he was talking about was Karma. What you give out comes back at you tenfold so love your enemy for if you hate him, you turn into your own worst enemy for love is the centre of the divine path and if you live with personal intent to love everyone you align yourself closer to the centre of the divine path.

For more Info on aligning yourself with the Mayan tun calendar and it's true significance watch these

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097&q=ian+lungold

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232&q=ian+lungold

[john white]

True, hate is love turned inside out.. Both are opposames and both require focused attention on the object of the hate/love..
There is different kinds of love, the romantic love that we are conditioned to feel from movies/TV etc. this does not normally last long, and true love which is energy, all that is.. This cannot be portrayed by words or movies but only through feelings, normally through your heart chakra..

Have you ever felt the exchange of that energy with somebody you truly love?
It's like a woosh for want of a better word through your heart chakra..

I certainly have mate, that feeling is where I Live!

[oneofmany]

some Icke I like. Page 44 from Infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion as i quote
I am constrained by the use of words because feeling or knowing
something is much more profound than describing it in language. But, basically, the
imagination of Oneness created an illusory realm, one of infinite such 'worlds' within
Infinite Possibility. This 'world' began to forget it was Oneness, like a dream
forgetting it is the dreamer. With this amnesia came the phenomenon we call fear, an
expression of All Possibility that cannot manifest within the balance of Oneness. Fear
only comes with the illusion of division and separation when consciousness perceives
itself as a part and not the whole. Fear is the shadow of illusory disconnection.

ARE WE LIVING IN FEAR?

[jimijams]

"Fear is the shadow of illusory disconnection."ARE WE LIVING IN FEAR?
Disconnection=Fear
Connection=Love

The conspiracy of all conspiracies is to keep us asleep, disconnected and in fear/duality, overcome this and the world's your oyster..;)

[oneofmany]

very good but how about this

the first step in avoiding fear is knowing of it's existence, once you know what you are afraid of, you can rationally overcome it

quote from the Bene Gesserit axiom of the novels of Frank Herbert's dune
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that
brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me
and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its
path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

That Frank Herbert was a switched on guy :)

But my question re-phrased is just by knowing about the fear, aren't you inoculating yourself against it?

[jimijams]

very good but how about this

the first step in avoiding fear is knowing of it's existence, once you know what you are afraid of, you can rationally overcome it

quote from the Bene Gesserit axiom of the novels of Frank Herbert's dune


That Frank Herbert was a switched on guy :)

But my question re-phrased is just by knowing about the fear, aren't you inoculating yourself against it?

Fear has many forms anxiety/stress/anger/hatred/loneliness/confusion so the best inoculation is knowing thy self, by knowing who you really are you can better understand the processes that trigger the myriad of emotions that we place under the umbrella of fear..

So yes I agree with you, replacing your fear with awareness is the key..

[oneofmany]

Excellent! o how I've longed for intelligent conversation on these subjects.
I agree jimijams that fear takes many forms and that you need to know the one before knowing the many.

[horseflesh]

I've done a lot of drugs since I was 19. LSD, mushrooms, salvia, speed, ecstasy, cannabis, alcohol, tobacco etc. Well I am Scottish, it's to be expected :p

Nowadays I still smoke weed and tobacco daily, have a drink now and again and trip on shrooms when the season is here, once a year.

The most awe inspiring drug I found was LSD, amazingly intense, I've done around 30 trips, 5 of those were on the same night. I can't really put into words what I felt but lets just say I loved it. :D

The worst drug I ever tried was salvia, holy shit that stuff is way to powerful !. I'm so glad it only lasted 10 minutes. I totally left the planet and didn't like what I experienced. :( Never again !.

[burkinalovefaso]

I agree Salvia Divinorum can put you into a very uncomfortable headspace too close to paradox or insanity. LSD is great but it can't be trusted, because of it's semi-sythetic qualities, it can induce an unforgiving bad trip far worse than mushrooms, ayahuasca or morning glories will. I think the risks are far greater when experimenting with LSD and other designer drugs.

[carvey]

you don't need drugs to help you see that reality is not what it seems. in fact it is the wrong way. it didn't take me dmt or aya or acid or shrooms to see the fakeness of concepts, all you need is a working brain. get your brains working and leave them drugs alone.

You saying it's the WRONG way is just your oppinion. I hate the word 'drugs' for substances such as cannabis, psyilocybin mushrooms, dmt etc... These are natural compounds/plants/herbs found in nature. Crack is a drug, alcohol is a drug, tylenol is a drug.

Our body has receptors to certain natural substances, therefore, in my oppinion I believe a lot of these substances were designed for us to ingest in moderation.

The human body has many receptors for cannabis. Here is a little info on cannabinoid receptors : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoids

[horseflesh]

I agree Salvia Divinorum can put you into a very uncomfortable headspace too close to paradox or insanity. LSD is great but it can't be trusted, because of it's semi-sythetic qualities, it can induce an unforgiving bad trip far worse than mushrooms, ayahuasca or morning glories will. I think the risks are far greater when experimenting with LSD and other designer drugs.

I enjoyed my bad LSD trips, nightmarish, intense and very long. Because I knew I was tripping.

Whereas with salvia I totally forgot that I had smoked it and didn't realise I was tripping, I actually thought I had died. Like I said I'm very thankfull it only lasted 10 minutes but I was in physical shock for a few hours after !.

[oneofmany]

i like all the material icke stole from me and jordan maxwell best

ooh thats about 6 of his books

reptilians are my intellectual copyright. i take my intellectual copyright issues very seriously

anyone who posts my material on here or even in quotation will be banned - i am a very impatient elemental man and i do not mess around with heathen bedwetting copyright thievery

I doubt you are Mr Tsarion. Firstly he is a synthesiser of information and borrows most of what he talks about from other sources.

Information is not to be possessed and owned, it is to be shared and Michael, if that really is you, I'm disappointed in the stance your taking over copyright, for I truly think your on the right track and helping in the cause of enlightenment.

Besides, I just don't think he's that uncool :cool:

[synergy777]

icke is very good at most of his stuff.

i for one do not subscribe to the aryan/white race from mars stuff. i think this is wrong, badly wrong and smells of racial superiority/max muller stuff, divide and rule. also explain the asian/african dna in white/european people? where is the mars dna, lol. as aryans, were a culture indigineous to india who migrated out primarily, then invaded back, hence a global vedic empire,from india to africa,americas, europe (celts, germans, nordics etc all use the swastika) i think he needs to drop brian desbrough and recognise vedic scholars/vedic knowldge, vedas/rama empire/vimannas. also the religous angle, ignoring the reptiles/annunaki with fallen angels. other than i am forever greatful for his courage and knowledge, a guiding light for us all. david nice 1 bro.

1 love, peace.

[thirdwave]

I doubt you are Mr Tsarion. Firstly he is a synthesiser of information and borrows most of what he talks about from other sources.

Information is not to be possessed and owned, it is to be shared and Michael, if that really is you, I'm disappointed in the stance your taking over copyright, for I truly think your on the right track and helping in the cause of enlightenment.

Besides, I just don't think he's that uncool :cool:

he is quite obviously king of the mole hill, as well as about 4-5 other user IDs here.

[synergy777]

what people have to realise is that what race hasn't satan hoodwinked into thinking they are his chosen, first he started with africans, then indians/aryans/arabs then europeans, see the pattern, fools of us all. why do we fall for it, vanity, ego, greed, lust for power, he just tempts us, seduces us, control/manipulates us..

[thirdwave]

thirdwave you further insult my intelligence and make yourself look like the simian fool that you are by making rash stupified accusations

time to get your head out of your arse and embrace the 99.9% of the brain you have been neglecting

time is short. By 2012 all my work will either be proven in which case i will be a king of men and worshipped - or it will be proven false and i will change my name again and disappear from your world

either way, my work is still copyright.


*Yawn*

I converse with Tsarion via Email, and I can confirm you are not Michael Tsarion. :rolleyes:

[yellow]

I doubt you are Mr Tsarion. Firstly he is a synthesiser of information and borrows most of what he talks about from other sources.

Information is not to be possessed and owned, it is to be shared and Michael, if that really is you, I'm disappointed in the stance your taking over copyright, for I truly think your on the right track and helping in the cause of enlightenment.

Besides, I just don't think he's that uncool :cool:

No that is not real michael tsarion
I think its a fair bet that king of mountain is also michael tsarion on this board along with a few other handles.

[john white]

Some more Icke I Like, this time from "I am me I am free" (p140):



I Love Me

What’s that you say? I love me? What are you, some kind of egomaniac? Who do you think you are, for goodness sake? You need taking down a peg or two my lad or lady. You’re not supposed to say you love yourself. You are supposed to be humble and keep putting yourself down. Then people won’t feel threatened by you or be forced to face their own self-imposed limitations. You tell me your inadequacies, I’ll tell you mine, we’ll both agree on how self-righteously humble we are and then go back to sleep. ZZZzzzzzzzz. It’s not yourself you should be loving, it is others -the world. That’s the street cred approach. You tell people how humble you are and that your desire is to love the world. Oh, what a lovely man. He’s ever so humble, always putting himself down, and he loves everyone. No he doesn’t. He doesn’t love everyone because he doesn’t love himself. And if he doesn’t love himself he doesn’t love anyone. How can we give out from within what we do not have within? Love, true love in it’s widest sense, does not discriminate. It doesn’t say I love this person, but not that one. It just loves. Sure, people can feel what they think is love in the narrow view of that word on Planet Earth. They can say they love their partner or children and they can feel a powerful bond with them. But they can’t feel true love - cosmic love, you might say - until they feel cosmic love for themselves. What you don’t have within, you can’t give without. And continuing the theme of creating your own reality, if you don’t love yourself in that total, unconditional way you will attract to you people who will see you in the same light. They won’t love you unconditionally until you love yourself unconditionally They will go on saying I love you as long as you conform to what I think you should be. That’s not love, it’s possession and manipulation, dressed up as love. How many of us truly love another to the extent that we would support them and love them in whatever they need to do for their own learning and evolution? If what they feel they need to experience or what events lead them to experience happens to conflict with our view of what they should be and do, our “love” for them can start to run very thin. You can’t be you if you want my “love”. You have to be what I want you to be. That’s the deal, isn’t it? Welcome to my jail, lover, give us a kiss. We have the same conditional attitude to loving ourselves. If we follow our hearts, that intuitive energy that expresses our uniqueness, we feel guilty and diminished when others react against us or appear hurt by our actions. But if we don’t love ourselves and respect our right to be who we are, how can we expect others to love us for what we are? Self love is that balance point when we allow ourselves the freedom from fear and guilt to be who and what we are. In turn, true love for others is to allow them, without resentment and judgement, to be who they are, even if it differs from what we would like them to be. I love you because you are. I love me because I am.

Now that’s love.

[amar7]

I want to say thanks to everyone for their replies so far: theres been some cracking links, and I definately think pharmacratic inquisition is well worth checking out: very interesting info. I thought I'd broaden things out by adding some more Icke to the thread:

Some more Icke I like:

Love thy "enemy"?

People have said that they can't understand why I say we must love those that seek to control us and perpetuate human suffering. But love is Oneness and so love is the balance of all things. Hatred comes from the illusion of division. Hate is not the other polarity of love because love is Oneness and Oneness has no polarities. If we hate those who cause the mayhem we are holding ourselves in the illusion and, therefore, the control of those we hate. This is yet another loop. The manipulators are full of hate and fear; so do we want to join them?? To love someone is not to stand by and let them impose their will upon you or others. Love stands up for what it believes to be right no matter what the challenge or intimidation. It is possible to expose what is going on and change that reality without hating those involved. It is essential to do this because, otherwise, we are the same as that which we claim to dislike. We see this all the time when we delude ourselves into believing that the methods we condemn, when used by others, can be justified for us to employ because we are trying to do "good". You do not achieve what you believe to be right by doing what you know to be wrong.

Friedrich Nietzsche put it like this:
"He who fights with monsters might take care; lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into You."

How often do we see those who challenge "evil" turn into a mirror of those they condemn? Look at the political Left and Right as one prime example. The far Left hates the far Right and vice versa. Yet they are the same in both thought and method. Hatred, resentment and a need for revenge are cancers of the soul. When we feel these emotions, who are the victims? We are. The targets might be having a great time, unaware of how we feel about them, while we cook in our own stew of seething fury at the expense of joy and happiness. Hatred and resentment are, with fear, the ultimate in self abuse. It's time to let them go and see them for the illusions that they are. We don't need to fight the Illuminati, but change the reality in which
they exist.

Scientist and philosopher Buckminster Fuller said: "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."

(Tales from the timeloop p463)

wow! I knew that David Icke has philosophical ideas, but i never thought that he is such a great philosoph (imho)

[john white]

Friedrich Nietzsche put it like this:
"He who fights with monsters might take care; lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into You."

I see this all the time: "what we fight we become"

For example, the number of times I see people using manipulation, dishonesty and deceit to bring others to "justice" who they see as acting manipulatively, dishonestly or deceitfully: its a total laugh! To say nothing of physical/psychic conflict, still regretfully endemic on Planet Earth in 2007.

Its a very hard perspective to learn though, it requires being able to view oneself objectively from a point of balance (inner oneness?): but once grasped, it removes a lot of stress from life as one realises one is generating a good proportion of ones stress for oneself, and "fighting" people by being like them is such a sure way to waste energy. Of course its not a perfect universe and one can never be sure its not unavoidable, nonetheless the principle is sound

[seamus]

I Love Me

What’s that you say? I love me? What are you, some kind of egomaniac? Who do you think you are, for goodness sake? You need taking down a peg or two my lad or lady. You’re not supposed to say you love yourself. You are supposed to be humble and keep putting yourself down.

Oh, that's a hoot! That's just the way some people think. But to give humility a fair shake, it should be noted that true humility consists not in making noise about how lowly you are, but carrying true worth and dignity whilst performing the grandest or even the most "menial" of tasks. I mean, it doesn't matter a whole lot what you do if you are living from your heart, with the full assurance of your acceptance and loved-ness.

[...]Love, true love in it’s widest sense, does not discriminate. It doesn’t say I love this person, but not that one. It just loves. Sure, people can feel what they think is love in the narrow view of that word on Planet Earth. They can say they love their partner or children and they can feel a powerful bond with them. But they can’t feel true love - cosmic love, you might say - until they feel cosmic love for themselves.

Among my people we have a saying, "Love doesn't try to change people, Love Loves, and people change."


s

[misscpb]

Anyone else vibe with this?

Hi There

Yes I remember reading his book about what happened when he was abroad and how David described his feel being almost glued (can't remember the precise word, something like that anyway) to the spot an an energy coming through him.

I myself find that I am very drawn to high energy and what I feel are spiritual places or energy. e.g stonehenge, machu piccu - lost city of the incas, hawaii swimming with wild dolphins/energy of other beings.

[2013]

You saying it's the WRONG way is just your oppinion. I hate the word 'drugs' for substances such as cannabis, psyilocybin mushrooms, dmt etc... These are natural compounds/plants/herbs found in nature. Crack is a drug, alcohol is a drug, tylenol is a drug.

Our body has receptors to certain natural substances, therefore, in my oppinion I believe a lot of these substances were designed for us to ingest in moderation.

The human body has many receptors for cannabis. Here is a little info on cannabinoid receptors : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoids

I once read that THC is a nturally occuring ingredient of breast milk and that african women used to wean babies off the breast by mixing a little hemp into a paste in order for them to accept it .If true makes you wonder about the whole Powdered formula issue back in the 60's 70's .Not only did it stop babies getting their naturla immunities passed on it cut a lot of bonding with the mother too:D Obvioulsy not breast fed and resentful :rolleyes:

[2013]

I am not a smoker so im not promoting anything here just encourageing a bit of healthy discussion and understanding .Enjoy and check the link .
http://www.freedomdomain.com/articles/bible2.html
THEN GOD SAID, I GIVE YOU EVERY SEED-BEARING
PLANT ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE
EARTH, AND EVERY TREE THAT
HAS FRUIT IN IT."
GENESIS 1:29-30


Those words seem straightforward enough, and yet cannabis and most other psychoactive medicine plants are outlawed in our society. Those who use these plant gat eways to other states of consciousness are jailed for doing so.

Ironically, the major force for continuing this plant prohibition is a group referred to as the Christian Right. They claim to believe in both the Bible and old Yahweh, yet Yahweh's opinion on the matter is stated quite clearly in the above quotation.

This article shows how the Old Testament Prophets were none other than ancient shamans, and that cannabis and other entheogens played a very prominent role in ancient Hebrew culture.

The word cannabis was generally thought to be of Scythian origin, but Benet showed that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, and that it appears several times throughout the Old Testament. Benet explained that "in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant (2)."

Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root kan in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while bosm means "aromatic". This word appears five times in the Old Testament; in the books of Exodus, the Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.

:D

[oneofmany]

I am not a smoker so im not promoting anything here just encourageing a bit of healthy discussion and understanding .Enjoy and check the link .
http://www.freedomdomain.com/articles/bible2.html
THEN GOD SAID, I GIVE YOU EVERY SEED-BEARING
PLANT ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE
EARTH, AND EVERY TREE THAT
HAS FRUIT IN IT."
GENESIS 1:29-30


Those words seem straightforward enough, and yet cannabis and most other psychoactive medicine plants are outlawed in our society. Those who use these plant gat eways to other states of consciousness are jailed for doing so.

Ironically, the major force for continuing this plant prohibition is a group referred to as the Christian Right. They claim to believe in both the Bible and old Yahweh, yet Yahweh's opinion on the matter is stated quite clearly in the above quotation.

This article shows how the Old Testament Prophets were none other than ancient shamans, and that cannabis and other entheogens played a very prominent role in ancient Hebrew culture.

The word cannabis was generally thought to be of Scythian origin, but Benet showed that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, and that it appears several times throughout the Old Testament. Benet explained that "in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant (2)."

Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root kan in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while bosm means "aromatic". This word appears five times in the Old Testament; in the books of Exodus, the Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.

:DThere is another school of thought on how Hemp became illegal and it has to do with BIG OIL. You see Hemp besides being a useful drug, it is also a very useful plant that you can virtually do anything with, eg make rope, clothes, canvas etc, the list goes on.
When BIG OIL found out that you could make plastic from Hemp, they were threatened bigtime because they could see the future potential of plastics, so the smear campaign started on Hemp, and what they done was advertise the bad side of marijuana. You see, the campaign was on marijuana, not Hemp, because most people didn't know what marijuana was, but everybody knew what Hemp was, and what a useful plant it actually was, so they used a Mexican "slang" term for it.
when the marijuana laws were drawn up, nobody protested because nobody knew they were talking about Hemp. When the US Dept of Agriculture found out marijuana was Hemp, it was too late.

[jimijams]

There is another school of thought on how Hemp became illegal and it has to do with BIG OIL. You see Hemp besides being a useful drug, it is also a very useful plant that you can virtually do anything with, eg make rope, clothes, canvas etc, the list goes on.
When BIG OIL found out that you could make plastic from Hemp, they were threatened bigtime because they could see the future potential of plastics, so the smear campaign started on Hemp, and what they done was advertise the bad side of marijuana. You see, the campaign was on marijuana, not Hemp, because most people didn't know what marijuana was, but everybody knew what Hemp was, and what a useful plant it actually was, so they used a Mexican "slang" term for it.
when the marijuana laws were drawn up, nobody protested because nobody knew they were talking about Hemp. When the US Dept of Agriculture found out marijuana was Hemp, it was too late.

One other use, I'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet is that hemp is the planets greatest source of methonol for fuel. You'll never read or hear about it in the mainsteam though.

[oneofmany]

Didn't know about that!! thanks jimi

[2013]

Richard e grant said it perfectly in the film how to get ahead in advertising .Guilty by association.!Smear a product by associating it with something bad and it remains in the public mind.


Hemp Seed is the most nutritious and easily digestible food on the planet, the only complete source of all the following: protein, essential amino acids (all 20, including the 9 the body cannot produce) and essential fatty acids. Hemp is the only food which supplies all man's dietary needs in one source - the only food which can sustain human life without any other source of nutrition.

http://www.hemptons.co.za/Uses/Culinary/HempAsFood.htm
there are many more sites on the varied uses of hemp out there.Besides oil fuel food clothing etc the french built houses from it some time back , check out henry ford and the hemp car , interesting article.
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/hempdat.htm:D

[ennui]

It's very interesting when you suddenly become aware of these different layers of energy around you and even more interesting to realise that this illusory engery, which some call Maya, is merely another layer or vibration of energy. This means that everything you can see is only an illusion and all the things we worry about aren't as important in the scheme of things as we think.

When I first had my 'awakening' I become very aware of these energies and could even see the auras around people, animals and plants. For some reason I can't see those now, which I put down to being too focused on the material (work, illness, family...you know how it is). I really must do some work on detactment.

I remember reading a Betty Shine book years ago where she talked about the energy that we give out and about karma. She said that if someone is being aggressive with you, instead of projecting negativity back at them you should project love back. I think if you project negativity back it is bad for your own karma, after all, just because someone wants to argue with you it doesn't mean you have to argue back.

Was anyone else sad enough to watch Celebrity Big Brother. I think that was a good display of karma at work. You had one contestant trying to pick a fight and being very negative....she has gone onto to have some very bad luck. The other housemate remained very calm and dignified and has gone onto have great success. Maybe there's something in this karma stuff. ;)

[seamus]

Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root kan in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while bosm means "aromatic". This word appears five times in the Old Testament; in the books of Exodus, the Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.

:D

Also "ken" or "keneh" means "true" or "truth"

The aroma of truth?

hmmm...

in hebrew vowels are a matter of tradition, as there are no vowels in ancient hebrew.

s

[2013]

Also "ken" or "keneh" means "true" or "truth"

The aroma of truth?

hmmm...

in hebrew vowels are a matter of tradition, as there are no vowels in ancient hebrew.

s

interesting as my surname is kenny ! i knew it meant to know or knowledge, Oh my god you killed truth !lol .

[oneofmany]

interesting as my surname is kenny ! i knew it meant to know or knowledge, Oh my god you killed truth !lol .ken or khem or khemet, is another word for Egypt. Just some food for thought.

[2013]

Thanks for that one 2 .I watched a you tube vid recently about the pyramids cant find the link , it said that the ancient name for cario was also the same as mars , apparently the shinx was painted red too at one time .Getting a bit of an egypt vibe going on here now ,The egyptians practised circumcision, not sure if it was before or after the hebrews , anyone care to elaborate .Also prince charles and all male heirs to the throne are circumcised by the chief rabbi of the highest spiritual order in this country i read somewhere , need to goolge it for verification .This forum has more twists and turns than a twisty turny thing .:D

[seamus]

interesting as my surname is kenny ! i knew it meant to know or knowledge, Oh my god you killed truth !lol .

That's EXACTLY what the (Jewish) writers of South Park are saying. Keniy means True Man or Man of Truth.

Incidentally Mister Hanky (the christmas poo) is obviously an allegory for Chanukkah, but also you see that they are almost the same word (Hanky and Chanukkah) if you demystify the spelling of the latter and remove the vowels. (remember no vowels in real hebrew)

I guess you know what the writers of South Park think of Chanukkah.

s

[2013]

That's EXACTLY what the (Jewish) writers of South Park are saying. Keniy means True Man or Man of Truth.

Incidentally Mister Hanky (the christmas poo) is obviously an allegory for Chanukkah, but also you see that they are almost the same word (Hanky and Chanukkah) if you demystify the spelling of the latter and remove the vowels. (remember no vowels in real hebrew)

I guess you know what the writers of South Park think of Chanukkah.

s

Thanx 4 that again interesting info something i wouldnt of thought to look up , just gonna check out chanukkah now :D

[john white]

Time for some more "Icke I like": this time on the subject of politics...

In many ways I feel for politicians. They are pawns being moved around the board by manipulation and events until they no longer know their arse from their elbow. They become so focussed on the dream of power that they have no idea what they really think or stand for - if anything. The pursuit of power becomes the sole decider of policy and “opinion”. It is policy by yesterday’s headlines or the latest, manipulated opinion poll - both of which are dictated by the Elite. In truth, politicians, even presidents and prime ministers, have no real power. They are at the mercy of events controlled by those much higher up the pyramid, those who manipulate public opinion - the very opinion the politicians seek to pander to at election time. This means that all their “policies” and attitudes are basically the same (the One Party State), and this has turned politics into a sickening farce in which insults are preferred to insight and discord to debate. Twice a week in the House of Commons in London, the Prime Minister hosts something known as Question Time when he or she is questioned by the leader of the opposition. I will give you a flavour:

Opposition Leader: “Will the Prime Minister please explain why his government is the most useless, unfair administration, in the history of this parliament, and why he is such a jerk, incapable of running a whelk stall on Camden market?”

(Sits down amid loud cheers from fellow party members who are waving bits of paper and shouting silly yah boo remarks.)

Prime Minister: “What hypocrisy for that to come from the most useless, talentless opposition party in the history of this parliament, led by a man who is such a jerk that he couldn’t run afish and chip shop on Brighton sea front.”

(Sits down amid loud cheers from his fellow party members who are waving bits of paper and shouting silly yah boo, remarks)

I don’t claim that to be verbatim, but you get my drift. Two people trade insults and it is seen as a virility contest for which one is best equipped to run the country I thought the Prime Minister looked more authoritative and in control today you know. The way he said “You’re just a lily-livered berk” right at the end was a master stroke of timing. He’ll win some points in the ratings for that! Often these mutual insults are the lead story on the television news that night:

(Fade loud, ominous music, and cue stern, concerned looking
newsreader with stern, concerned sounding voice):

“The Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition clashed in the Commons today over which one was the biggest jerk. A report coming up.”

ZZZzzzzzzzz!

No, wake up. We’re supposed to take this seriously We are supposed to ponder long and hard over which one we will vote for as the next puppet of the global dictators and the manipulators on the Fourth Dimension. Come on, this is serious. We can’t just ignore elections because we know that whoever runs for president on both “sides” is funded, controlled and selected by the same clique who use the media, which they also control, to make sure the guy they really want wins. How can we call ourselves free if we don’t use our vote to decide which of these guys will be the next puppet of the Elite? My pappy died fighting for the right to vote, y’hear? You can’t ignore “free” elections.

No? I beg to differ.

We will only loosen the weights on our consciousness and rise
towards Oneness when we let go of the irrelevant diversions that take
our eyes off the ball.

[tru3]

Yes, I did drugs in the '70's...

Now, I don't care what temperature it is....

This joke loses something in the translation to Celsius.

Seriously, I did more than my share of psychotrophic drugs.

You really don't need them. Breathwork brought up more shit for me than any chemical. I highly recommend it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirthing-Breathwork

Rebirthing, if you've never tried it, can be an amazing experience, and simulated many of the same feelings that lsd did, especially thinning the barrier between subject and object.

Occasionally, I when I come across a really cold body of water, I will do a rebirthing session while entering the water. The last time I did this was a couple of years ago in Whistler, Canada. The water was about 50 degrees. When I came out, every cell in this body was singing! :D

I would recommend working with someone who is a trained facilitator the first couple of times, though.

Another one I've heard of, but never tried, is holotropic breathwork. It was "created" by Stan Grof, who switched to breathwork when lsd was made illegal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holotropic_Breathwork

[tru3]

Opposition Leader: “Will the Prime Minister please explain why his government is the most useless, unfair administration, in the history of this parliament, and why he is such a jerk, incapable of running a whelk stall on Camden market?”


Translation, please?

I agree with George Carlin (who, imo ranks up there as sage and seer with Icke in his own special way).

“I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.”

[john white]

Icke is taking the whip out of Prime Ministers question time in the UK parliment. basically, once a week the Prime Minister and the Leader of the main opposition party face off against each other in the house of commons and debate which one of them is the bigger pratt

Whelks are small molluscs dredged up from the Thames and much beloved by stereotypical cockney's as seen in "mary poppins" :) cor blimey guv'na!

[jimijams]

I agree with George Carlin (who, imo ranks up there as sage and seer with Icke in his own special way).

“I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.”
This is good, I like!:D

[jimijams]

Have you seen this one?
George Carlin - Owners of This Country
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yL6ULruYjNA

[chocky pud]

I loved that vid!
Really appealed to my sense of humour!
Was just the sort of tonic I needed today.
thanks. :D

[i_am]

Have you seen this one?
George Carlin - Owners of This Country
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yL6ULruYjNA

Excellent!! Love it :D

[john white]

Have you seen this one?
George Carlin - Owners of This Country
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yL6ULruYjNA

Carlin's great! Love what he does: that mans seen a lot, and it shows!

[oneofmany]

I got that whole vid, George is a smart guy and unlike Bill Hicks, is still alive.

[hrafn]

From

Infinite Love is the Only Truth Everything Else is Illusion

Chapter Nine , It's all Bollocks

(quote from that chapter)

The mind game has such a grip on reality that people get angry,obsessive or outraged about the most irrelevant bollocks and this myopia cements their arses to the web. In fact, it's all bollocks. There is nothing, exept Infinite Love, that isn't bollocks. But oh, my - how we get caught. For example, I made the point in I am me, Iam free, about the word fuck. Oh my god, did he really say that? 'Ethel, he's just said that rude word, it's outrageous.' I love it how newspapers, moral guardians that they are, always write the word as f***. What the fuck is that all about? When you see f*** what goes through your mind? Fuck, exactly. So it is morally OK to think fuck, but not to say it. What bollocks!

Now that is one of my Icke favourites
H

[micromause]

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml :)

[ennui]

From

Infinite Love is the Only Truth Everything Else is Illusion

Chapter Nine , It's all Bollocks

(quote from that chapter)

The mind game has such a grip on reality that people get angry,obsessive or outraged about the most irrelevant bollocks and this myopia cements their arses to the web. In fact, it's all bollocks. There is nothing, exept Infinite Love, that isn't bollocks. But oh, my - how we get caught. For example, I made the point in I am me, Iam free, about the word fuck. Oh my god, did he really say that? 'Ethel, he's just said that rude word, it's outrageous.' I love it how newspapers, moral guardians that they are, always write the word as f***. What the fuck is that all about? When you see f*** what goes through your mind? Fuck, exactly. So it is morally OK to think fuck, but not to say it. What bollocks!

Now that is one of my Icke favourites
H


Oh, I love that thanks :D I've never been able to explain to people why it's ok to use swear words. If you says "OMG, that's fucking great" some people look at you like you've burned their village. He's right, it is irrelevant bollocks and putting f*** is hypocritical.

[jimijams]

Now that is one of my Icke favourites
H

Then I suggest reading 'a lot' more of his work as he definately has a lot more interesting things to say than that.;)

[hrafn]

Then I suggest reading 'a lot' more of his work as he definately has a lot more interesting things to say than that.;)

Ive read all his stuff Jimi

Now if youd read my endline...
(quote) Now that is one of my Icke favourites (unquote)

and the thread title
(quote) some icke i like (unquote)

Take note of the word in the title... 'some' ..... not all, not most, not large portion of......

Have a nice day

H

[jimijams]

Ive read all his stuff Jimi

Now if youd read my endline...
(quote) Now that is one of my Icke favourites (unquote)

and the thread title
(quote) some icke i like (unquote)

Take note of the word in the title... 'some' ..... not all, not most, not large portion of......

Have a nice day

H
Yes technically your correct, but I coudn't help feeling you were also having a little dig by posting that paticular comment out of the the huge body of work David has on offer and not a particularly positive way to introduce yourself to the forum.

Having said that welcome and don't pay me any heed cause I do tend to ramble on.:D

[john white]

Having chatted away about "the secret" this weekend, I'm adding this quote to "some Icke I like" (I am me I am free p150), mostly 'cos I feel it important to point out our Dave was saying this ten years ago (as well as doing a newsletter on it fairly recently)

Life on Planet Earth has become the interaction between programmed, emotional eggshells. The real us, love, hardly gets a look in. It is often just a horrified spectator. True love rarely has the chance to communicate its wisdom, balance, and harmony and the world reflects precisely that situation.

The people we meet are mirrors of ourselves or actors playing a role which can teach us something about ourselves and the world. We attract them to us because they mirror the vibes we are broadcasting from within or because their states of being create an experience which can lead to greater understanding. When we see conflict anywhere, be it an argument in a supermarket queue, a family upset, or a world war, we are looking at inner turmoil being projected outwards and expressed as a physical event. When we get angry with others, we are getting angry with ourselves. It’s interesting how often you hear the comment: “It’s alright for so and so to do that, but when anyone else does the same he/she goes crazy”. This response comes when we see a characteristic of ourselves which we don’t like, expressed by someone else. We often react to that person in a really over-the-top way because they are mirroring at us something we don’t wish to face about ourselves or their behaviour has pushed emotional buttons deep within us that trigger memories of past life experiences or those from this life, especially from the emotional minefield we call childhood. I have seen people become vicious and violent when this happens to them. The focus of their anger is not the person involved, they are just the mirror. It is themselves they are attacking. But most people don’t realise that -they are stuck in the movie and the separation and they think it is real. But now look at guilt from the more detached view - the front row of the stalls. When we act negatively towards another person, that is a reflection of our own sense of self, our own imagination of ourselves, at that moment. OK, if we are sensible, we learn from the consequences of what we did, evolve, and move on. That’s a positive experience for which we should be thankful. It has given us understanding. But, from the wider perspective, the person on the receiving end of that behaviour should be grateful too, once they have felt the initial emotional hurt.

We create our own reality by attracting to us magnetically the energy fields, people, experiences, which match the imagination of ourselves that we are broadcasting.

Our behaviour is a reflection of our state of being and that also applies to the experience of our “victim”. They attracted our state of being to them at that moment, and not another person who would have reacted very differently, because they needed to face what our state of being could give them. Instead of feeling guilty about what we have or have not done to others, we need to learn from the experience, know that it was a gift, a learning experience for ourselves and for the other person or people. They created it just as much as we did. Experience is how we evolve and we need the full range of possible experiences for a balanced evolution. If we are going to hold on to guilt with every negative experience we have attracted, we are going to be swamped with the stuff. And we have been. Look at us. Let us see guilt for what it really is - the unjustified emotional hand luggage that slows down our journey to Oneness because it destroys our sense of self. Guilt is merely the negative side of experience. It is valid in that it is an emotion we can feel and learn from. But it is not meant to be in permanent residence, squatting in our psyche. Let it go. Let the weights fall off. It’s time to fly. There is nothing to feel guilty about. No, not ever. A big movie star doesn’t feel guilty when he plays out the part of the “baddie” does he? Of course not. Then why do you?

You’re a bigger star in a bigger movie. If you don’t like the part, change
the script.

[cheemflo]

Anyone else vibe with this?

Good shit, John Boy! Me likes! :cool: