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metacomet
05-12-2009, 06:06 AM
This is what happens when you dream, and when you die :

The spirit body exits the physical container in this reality by raising it's vibration beyond the physical and assumes form in the 4th dimension, where it's thoughts, emotions, and deep seeded fears assume actual form and shape. This materialization of thought is used against the dreamer in his daze, as he does not realize that his dreams are actual events in 'the astral' or 4th dimension.

When speaking of the 4th dimension, I am referring to a non-physical dimension outside of our perception, and outside of 'spacetime' as we know it. In quantum physics the 4th dimension is accounted for as the origin of 'Time' and it overlays our dimension, which we experience quite obviously as movement, differences, distances, etc. ... time is a dimensional phenomena, it is not local to the 3rd dimension, but is instead a 4th dimension. All 3rd dimensional beings have a 4th dimensional self which becomes aware 1/3 of their life in order to familiarize them with their next highest dimension.

In other words, all of us dream, and are sleeping (or should sleep) 1/3 of our life, because our 4th dimensional self must experience itself 1/3 of our lives, in order to prepare us for the Big Transition of full awareness and existence in the 4th dimension...

What is that 'Big Transition'called for us? Death.

http://www.goodtofeelgood.com/images/dream-landscape.jpg

The act of dreaming is the act of reconnecting with the 4th dimensional 'higher self' of a human being (which is also contained by 5th-7th(?) or perhaps infinite higher selves, which is a topic I will hold for now). This aspect of ourself creates objects, places, people, and even realities with thought alone. This is called 'dreaming' if the person is unaware.

Dreaming is dimensional travel, and so is the afterlife. But when a human being, incarnated in the 3rd dimension has a dream, he is left dazed, confused, and unaware, subject to all sorts of abuse... and this is how he is fed upon by 4th dimensional beings. This is why he must be easily controlled and is genetically programmed. This is also why he is bombarded by negative or 'dark' imagery, encouraged to feel guilt, jealousy, anger, shame, or other lower dimensional emotions, as well as endless thoughts which cause him pain. He is being fed on by the 4th dimension.

Without time, there is no possibility of injury or pain or suffering or guilt, anger, jealousy, or any negative feeling. Time is experienced here in the 3rd and lower dimensions... when we ascend to the 4th or 5th dimensions which are irrespective of time, we are free of all suffering and despair.

This is because lower dimensional feelings, based in time and separation (space), cannot be carried into 'heaven' which is outside of time and space.

http://www.fatbrowne.com/pics/afterlife.jpg

We should not despair that we are fed on by 4th dimensional beings.

It is only fair in that human beings do ourselves, take advantage of and feed upon beings of lesser awareness ... and we are even more capable of freeing ourselves and fighting back then some animals.

As beings of lesser awareness in the 4th dimension, we are given time through 'dreaming' to familiarize ourself with the 4th dimension. It is here we are supposed to learn how to become thought-creators and manifest our own reality, but the dreamworld as we have access to it has been muted and curtained off from us, through manipulation of our mind and the stripping of our dna. A human being without ability to let go of this reality and exist in a thought based, non-physical reality, is at a disadvantage, and fears death.


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When a human being dies, he will not be familiar with the 4th dimension, because he has been kept from becoming lucid in his dreams and realizing his 4th dimensional self. Growing up so to speak and getting a headstart in the 4th dimension is important, and so as our physical body regenerates, our spirit enters a daily cycle of exiting the body, to enter the fourth dimension, which is to be entered 'permanently' at 'death'.

http://www.kenseamedia.com/encyclopedia/aaa/images/afterlife1.jpg

In the 4th dimension, other beings aware of thought-creation create their own objects and stages and often subject the dreamer or 'soul of the damned' to tortures and long, chaptered dreams, escapades of unfair or painful experiences which teach him little but release great volumes of emotion based on Tension and Fear. This is the lowest and least enjoyable emotions the human is capable of having. He will also dream of fighting, murdering, or debaucheries and scenes unthinkable for him in waking life. These are often called 'nightmares'. This is the mechanism used by higher dimensional beings to confuse and strip the human soul of it's impurities and feed upon it. This dissolving of the ego is an incredibly painful experience.

A human being full of fear, despair, guilt or is a large meal, and as he unravels his ego he is easily fed upon.

If a human being has cleansed his ego, and strengthened his spirit before death, he is a warrior in the 4th dimension, and not cattle, for the simple fact that he is vibrating at a higher frequency then the predators.

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A human being is encouraged his entire life, by his own thoughts and higher self, to strive for something more then the physical, whether through his own self awareness and integrity or the instruction of higher dimensional beings (captured and re-scripted in many 'religions'). If a human being decides to be come spiritually aware, he is rewarded by synchronicities and 'spiritual experiences' and grows as a bigger and stronger being in the 3rd dimension. But at the same time, a human soul which is strong and healthy is still assaulted by 'lower dimensions' and 4th dimensional predators. Such is the nature of reality, the strongest bull will always be hunted first.

This is the benefit to 4th dimensional beings, of keeping 3rd dimensional humans polluted, and ignorant of their higher self.



http://artcreationsunlimited.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/heaven.jpg

Human beings are capable of becoming 'lucid' in dreams or realizing that they are dreaming. In such states they become thought-creators, changing their dream experience, and are incapable of being controlled. It is paramount to the hierarchy of dimensions thatbeings in the 4th dimension feed upon those who cannot see them or combat them physically, that is, those in the 3rd dimension.

If a human becomes aware of the 4th dimension he witnesses the predatory field around him, allowing him to escape the proverbial lions and alligators of our dreamscape...

http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp/brainbasics/brain3.gif

http://www.dericbownds.net/bom99/Ch03/Ch03-3.gif

But there are even deeper mechanisms within our own physical mind, devoted to allowing our control. We must realize that as we have affected the genetic range of all animals (the dog for instance) the human being has likewise been run through many genetic courses by 4th dimensional intervention... this is quite literally what makes humans different from animals. We are of higher dimensions, but are cloaked in this dimension and manipulated by it, as 3rd dimensional beings.

This truth has been interpreted as human beings having divine origin, which is true, in that we are higher dimensional beings 'trapped' in physicality. But the genetic human body is in fact like all other bodies, a physical object which is fed upon, and has been manipulated through genetic intervention. There is still genuine beauty and greatness in the human experience, and the human body, but there are also such things in many of the animals we have killed, driven extinct or near extinction.

For us, it does not matter if we are ever harmed physically... we are still fed upon by non-physical beings. To die in the physical is not the only thing. You can also be terrorized and fed on in the afterlife. To arm yourself and be prepared you must become familiar with the next dimension, the fabric of the afterlife.

If we dream with lucidity, become proficient in the 'astral realm' through astral projection or deep meditation... awareness and strength in our 4th dimensional self develops as something we will inherit at death. Otherwise, we are going to be naked and afraid.

If we remain spiritually pure, we are untouchable as a law of vibration does not allow lower vibrating 4th dimensional beings to feed on a 5th dimensional soul.

This is a David Icke inspired rant, and I thank you for reading.

metacomet
05-12-2009, 05:59 PM
Icke's research on the 4th dimension:

The reptilians not only come from another planet, but are also from another dimension, the lower level of the fourth dimension, the one nearest the physical world. Barkun argues that the introduction of different dimensions allows Icke to skip awkward questions about which part of the universe the reptilians come from and how they got here.[48] Icke writes that the universe consists of an infinite number of frequencies or dimensions of life that share the same space, just as television and radio frequencies do. Some people can tune their consciousness to other wavelengths, which is what psychic power consists of, and it is from one of these other dimensions that the Anunnaki are controlling this world by possessing certain bloodlines—though just as fourth-dimensional reptilians control us, they are controlled, in turn, by a fifth dimension.[49] The lower level of the fourth dimension is what others call the "lower astral dimension." Icke argues that it is where demons live, the entities Satanists summon during their rituals. They are, in fact, summoning the reptilians

In our transition from the 3rd dimension to the 4th, we are liable to become situated in higher frequencies then even the beings in the lower 4th who have been preying upon us.

During the ascension process, which is an ongoing process and which occurs cyclically on this planet, beings of the 3rd dimension are brought to the 4th. Human beings specifically are manipulated so as to avoid this transition, either by going underground from fear of natural disaster or by simply polluting their minds and bodies to the point that a dimensional shift through their DNA is impossible.

The ascension process is related to but not not entirely situated around 2012. It is an ongoing process, the symptoms of which are widely detailed as 'signs' for the 'end of days' or undefinable anxieties or intuitive feelings amongst our species that things are rapidly changing or a special event is coming

tortle
05-12-2009, 06:49 PM
Icke's research on the 4th dimension:



In our transition from the 3rd dimension to the 4th, we are liable to become situated in higher frequencies then even the beings in the lower 4th who have been preying upon us.

During the ascension process, which is an ongoing process and which occurs cyclically on this planet, beings of the 3rd dimension are brought to the 4th. Human beings specifically are manipulated so as to avoid this transition, either by going underground from fear of natural disaster or by simply polluting their minds and bodies to the point that a dimensional shift through their DNA is impossible.

The ascension process is related to but not not entirely situated around 2012. It is an ongoing process, the symptoms of which are widely detailed as 'signs' for the 'end of days' or undefinable anxieties or intuitive feelings amongst our species that things are rapidly changing or a special event is coming

Great posts and thoughts, I really like refreshing threads like these.

From what I understand the 3rd and 4th dimensions are both part of polarity consciousness, that is why there are negative entities on the 4th dimension, although they tend to hang around on the lower and middle parts of the 4th dimension only.

Once you get to the 5th dimension you enter Unity consiousness, and apparently it's a state of being that transcends the polar concepts of good and evil. They are still understood, but they are seen from a new perspective which allows your mind to transcend them. I think it's like good and evil are the two bases of a triangle, and Unity is the top of the triangle looking down on them form a higher perspective, kind of like how we in 3D would view a 2D person moving around on flatland.

Apparently Unity exist from the 5th to the 12th dimensions, after that there is an entirely new way, but our minds won't be able to grasp it until we get there.

j35p3r4d0
07-12-2009, 12:46 PM
simply the understanding of time as non-linear, as with perception and consciousness.

the logical extrapolations are numerous and wholly far reaching

les_paul_robot
07-12-2009, 01:01 PM
Icke is corrected by The Author of M5, in that there are 3D reptilians and 4D reptilians.

metacomet
08-12-2009, 04:00 AM
Icke is corrected by The Author of M5, in that there are 3D reptilians and 4D reptilians.

So they are close enough to our dimension that they can exist in both?

1977
08-12-2009, 04:31 AM
Interesting. I've mentioned before that Icke's perspective is quite similar to what the Neoplatonist Porphyry said (http://sacred-texts.com/sro/ptw/ptw04.htm):

"The realm of the soul, being semi-material, has its inhabitants possessing semi-material (astral) forms. Some of them are good, others evil; some are kindly disposed towards man, others are malicious. Both classes have ethereal but changeable bodies; the good ones are masters of their bodies and desires, the evil ones are governed by the desires of their bodies. They are all powers for good or for evil, divine, animal, or diabolic invisible influences creating, by their interior activity, passions, desires, vices, and virtues in the souls of beings. The more evil they are, the more do their forms approach the corporeal state. They then live on the exhalations of matter; they induce men to murder and to kill animals, they enjoy the vapours arising from the victims, and grow fat by absorbing the ethereal substances of the dying. They are, therefore, always ready to incite men to wars and crimes, and they collect in great crowds in places where men or animals are killed."

metacomet
08-12-2009, 07:43 AM
Excellent quote 1977 :cool:


In our transition from the 3rd dimension to the 4th, we are liable to become situated in higher frequencies *than even the beings in the lower 4th who have been preying upon us.

Can't edit, but have OCD... oh well.

les_paul_robot
10-12-2009, 07:35 PM
So they are close enough to our dimension that they can exist in both?From my understanding there are both groups. 3rd density reptilians are like us, i.e. they interact with 3rd density matter the same way.
Then there are 4D reptilians you can see on the astral.

I understand they have technology to phase slightly out of 3D to walk through walls to do abductions.
And I don't think they actually shapeshift. Either it's technology that makes them look like humans, or our narrower perception of frequencies (as caused by when the reptilians modified us) just means that that's the part we see.
I think.

shellygurrrl
15-12-2009, 04:05 AM
Interesting. I've mentioned before that Icke's perspective is quite similar to what the Neoplatonist Porphyry said (http://sacred-texts.com/sro/ptw/ptw04.htm):

"The realm of the soul, being semi-material, has its inhabitants possessing semi-material (astral) forms. Some of them are good, others evil; some are kindly disposed towards man, others are malicious. Both classes have ethereal but changeable bodies; the good ones are masters of their bodies and desires, the evil ones are governed by the desires of their bodies. They are all powers for good or for evil, divine, animal, or diabolic invisible influences creating, by their interior activity, passions, desires, vices, and virtues in the souls of beings. The more evil they are, the more do their forms approach the corporeal state. They then live on the exhalations of matter; they induce men to murder and to kill animals, they enjoy the vapours arising from the victims, and grow fat by absorbing the ethereal substances of the dying. They are, therefore, always ready to incite men to wars and crimes, and they collect in great crowds in places where men or animals are killed."

Now that is truly fascinating, that way back then, someone was STILL aware of these things and pondering them.

Great thread by the way!

metacomet
23-12-2009, 05:36 PM
Now that is truly fascinating, that way back then, someone was STILL aware of these things and pondering them.

Great thread by the way!

Thanks!

steevo
23-12-2009, 06:07 PM
Interesting thread. Something more for me to ponder over.

Cheers Metacomet :)

sodi
23-12-2009, 10:38 PM
So a non prepared soul can be tortured in the 4th dimension ?

2013
24-12-2009, 12:43 AM
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i read this book some years ago . The author Maurice barbanell was editor of the psychic news newspaper . He had a pact with a Friend that whoever died first would contact the other and share their experience . I recal Reading that once he had contacted him and passed on information , he was receiving info from former deceased relatives from an even higher realm and he eventually faded as he prepared to move on himself . sounds very much like leaving 4D for 5D to me . maybe i need to re read it :D

metacomet
24-12-2009, 12:46 AM
So a non prepared soul can be tortured in the 4th dimension ?

Yes, and this is the equivalent of 'hell' or what is termed as 'hell' in the afterlife.

It is not so much that a person 'goes to hell' but that they are spiritually unprepared for death and are easily pulled down into lower vibrations - i.e. scary experiences and hellish environments.

The only way to 'save' yourself from 'hell' is to be spiritually strong and aware of what will come at death!

To prove that an unaware person is sometimes tortured in the 4th dimension we need only look at nightmares.

1977
24-12-2009, 01:56 AM
Yes, and this is the equivalent of 'hell' or what is termed as 'hell' in the afterlife.

It is not so much that a person 'goes to hell' but that they are spiritually unprepared for death and are easily pulled down into lower vibrations - i.e. scary experiences and hellish environments.

The only way to 'save' yourself from 'hell' is to be spiritually strong and aware of what will come at death!
Indeed, and Plotinus (http://sacred-texts.com/cla/plotenn/enn084.htm) made the same assertion—
We are become dwellers in the Place of Unlikeness, where, fallen from all our resemblance to the Divine, we lie in gloom and mud: for if the Soul abandons itself unreservedly to the extreme of viciousness, it is no longer a vicious Soul merely, for mere vice is still human, still carries some trace of good: it has taken to itself another nature, the Evil, and as far as Soul can die it is dead. And the death of Soul is twofold: while still sunk in body to lie down in Matter and drench itself with it; when it has left the body, to lie in the other world until, somehow, it stirs again and lifts its sight from the mud: and this is our "going down to Hades and slumbering there."

steevo
25-12-2009, 06:20 PM
Yes, and this is the equivalent of 'hell' or what is termed as 'hell' in the afterlife.

It is not so much that a person 'goes to hell' but that they are spiritually unprepared for death and are easily pulled down into lower vibrations - i.e. scary experiences and hellish environments.

The only way to 'save' yourself from 'hell' is to be spiritually strong and aware of what will come at death!

To prove that an unaware person is sometimes tortured in the 4th dimension we need only look at nightmares.

Are you saying that the afterlife is the 4th dimension ? And if it is, then are you saying that we will still be capable of fear in that dimension ?

sphere555
25-12-2009, 06:30 PM
Good post, OP.

Here's another kicker:

A human being is comprised of body, personality, and soul/spirit. When someone dies, their body & personality go to the grave. Meanwhile, the person's true being -- the soul/spirit goes to the light at the end of the tunnel to experience another physical reincarnation.

So, when people see ghosts, or contact the "spirits" of their deceased ancestors, they're not actually communicating with their souls/spirits, for that person's true being is already reincarnated and living another physical life. Who they're actually seeing and talking to are the decaying personalities of the deceased.

The personality may take up to 1,000 years to decay, and appears as a ghostly "spirit" hovering near the grave, or in some occasions may venture away from the grave, but not too far.

biblegirl
25-12-2009, 09:17 PM
Good post, OP.

Here's another kicker:

A human being is comprised of body, personality, and soul/spirit. When someone dies, their body & personality go to the grave. Meanwhile, the person's true being -- the soul/spirit goes to the light at the end of the tunnel to experience another physical reincarnation.

So, when people see ghosts, or contact the "spirits" of their deceased ancestors, they're not actually communicating with their souls/spirits, for that person's true being is already reincarnated and living another physical life. Who they're actually seeing and talking to are the decaying personalities of the deceased.

The personality may take up to 1,000 years to decay, and appears as a ghostly "spirit" hovering near the grave, or in some occasions may venture away from the grave, but not too far.

very interesting post!

biblegirl
25-12-2009, 09:21 PM
The spirit body exits the physical container in this reality by raising it's vibration beyond the physical and assumes form in the 4th dimension, where it's thoughts, emotions, and deep seeded fears assume actual form and shape. This materialization of thought is used against the dreamer in his daze, as he does not realize that his dreams are actual events in 'the astral' or 4th dimension.
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The act of dreaming is the act of reconnecting with the 4th dimensional 'higher self' of a human being (which is also contained by 5th-7th(?) or perhaps infinite higher selves, which is a topic I will hold for now). This aspect of ourself creates objects, places, people, and even realities with thought alone. This is called 'dreaming' if the person is unaware.


this brings a whole new meaning to horror movies for me...i use to get really bad nightmares all the time after watching scary movies, and i was just thinking what if that is part of the conspiracy, to insert these bad images into our minds for us to co-create the actual monsters in the dream world :eek:

metacomet
25-12-2009, 09:30 PM
Are you saying that the afterlife is the 4th dimension ?

Yes, although from what I have read of near death experiences, a person is capable of going far beyond the 4th dimension at death : it is just that the 4th dimension is the first which a person enters upon leaving their body, and we call it the 'astral'.

The 4th dimension is the afterlife realm of the 3rd dimensional being,

and the 5th dimension is the afterlife realm to the 4th dimensional being,

as above, so below, every dimension harbors being which are moving up (or down, or remaining stuck) the dimensional ladder.

And if it is, then are you saying that we will still be capable of fear in that dimension ?

From what I also have read, yes it is possible to become confused, frightened or sad in the lower 4th dimension, but people who have moved up to the highest dimensions have experienced nirvana and union with the universe... at that level, there is definitely no fear.

steevo
25-12-2009, 09:38 PM
Yes, although from what I have read of near death experiences, a person is capable of going far beyond the 4th dimension at death : it is just that the 4th dimension is the first which a person enters upon leaving their body, and we call it the 'astral'.

The 4th dimension is the afterlife realm of the 3rd dimensional being,

and the 5th dimension is the afterlife realm to the 4th dimensional being,

as above, so below, every dimension harbors being which are moving up (or down, or remaining stuck) the dimensional ladder.



From what I also have read, yes it is possible to become confused, frightened or sad in the lower 4th dimension, but people who have moved up to the highest dimensions have experienced nirvana and union with the universe... at that level, there is definitely no fear.

Thanks MetaComet.
So you are saying that when our body "dies" whilst being in the 3rd dimension, we do not go back to being a "spirit" (or whatever you wanna call it), we continue (reincarnated) in another physical body but in a different dimension (4th) ? And if so, then we are just living in a continuous reincarnation cycle, where fear will ALWAYS be part of us no matter what (because we always remain inside a human body ?) ?

Edit : So your version of "heaven/hell" is what dimension we manage to transcend/descend to, based on whether we master our SELF with things like astral projections etc ?

steevo
25-12-2009, 10:00 PM
And Meta, would you say that we ALL end up in the 4th dimension when we die ? And that we never come back to the 3rd dimension (in a different body) ? And when we die in the 4th, do we then go to the 5th, and then the 6th, then the 7th etc ? And when we get to each dimension, do we continue where we left off (ie if we got to a level of spirituality in the 3rd, are we then reborn with the same amount of spirituality in the 4th ?) ?

sodi
25-12-2009, 10:42 PM
Yes, and this is the equivalent of 'hell' or what is termed as 'hell' in the afterlife.

It is not so much that a person 'goes to hell' but that they are spiritually unprepared for death and are easily pulled down into lower vibrations - i.e. scary experiences and hellish environments.

The only way to 'save' yourself from 'hell' is to be spiritually strong and aware of what will come at death!

To prove that an unaware person is sometimes tortured in the 4th dimension we need only look at nightmares.

and you prepare yourself how ?

Lately I have been having trouble sleeping lol

I've gotten into lucid dreamin & Astral projection but the whole idea scares me. I dont know it so it frightens me. The whole idea of waking up and my body being paralyzed and some goblin (as a poster on here said) sitting on top of me lol

steevo
26-12-2009, 01:44 AM
WHATEVER dimension we are in, we dont KNOW what dimension it is do we ? We just know that we are here now. So this dimensional theory doesnt have any effect at all. How do we know that we are not in the 4th dimention now ?

stopthemadness
06-02-2010, 08:36 PM
Good post, OP.

Here's another kicker:

A human being is comprised of body, personality, and soul/spirit. When someone dies, their body & personality go to the grave. Meanwhile, the person's true being -- the soul/spirit goes to the light at the end of the tunnel to experience another physical reincarnation.

So, when people see ghosts, or contact the "spirits" of their deceased ancestors, they're not actually communicating with their souls/spirits, for that person's true being is already reincarnated and living another physical life. Who they're actually seeing and talking to are the decaying personalities of the deceased.

The personality may take up to 1,000 years to decay, and appears as a ghostly "spirit" hovering near the grave, or in some occasions may venture away from the grave, but not too far.

I disagree. I don't think reincarnation is instantaneous. It is possible to hang around the lower astral "in limbo" for centuries without reincarnating.

greenzxy
13-02-2010, 03:06 AM
Hey, been browsing the forums for quite some time. Just now I felt like signing up.

It's an interesting theory
But to the original posters and others that replied how do you know that this is all true? Why do you guys assume what this guy saying is fact?

toseeitclearly
15-02-2010, 06:19 PM
Yes, although from what I have read of near death experiences, a person is capable of going far beyond the 4th dimension at death : it is just that the 4th dimension is the first which a person enters upon leaving their body, and we call it the 'astral'.

The 4th dimension is the afterlife realm of the 3rd dimensional being,

and the 5th dimension is the afterlife realm to the 4th dimensional being,

as above, so below, every dimension harbors being which are moving up (or down, or remaining stuck) the dimensional ladder.



From what I also have read, yes it is possible to become confused, frightened or sad in the lower 4th dimension, but people who have moved up to the highest dimensions have experienced nirvana and union with the universe... at that level, there is definitely no fear.

I kind of agree i have been to the lower 4th dimension astral to the higher dimensions, and its not hard to get out of the lower 4th astral realm, i would think most people wont experience it when the time comes.

metacomet
15-02-2010, 09:46 PM
Thanks MetaComet.
So you are saying that when our body "dies" whilst being in the 3rd dimension, we do not go back to being a "spirit" (or whatever you wanna call it), we continue (reincarnated) in another physical body but in a different dimension (4th) ?

Yes, in a way...

what we call the 'spirit' is an actual body in higher dimensions.

If we were to go to a dimension lower than this, we would consider this physical body we have right now to be our 'spirit' because it would be invisible to us.

Objects of higher dimensions are invisible to us because they vibrate at a frequency which our current body can't see with it's 'physical' eyes. We can only perceive 'spiritual' objects with spiritual sight (which we call psychic vision).


And if so, then we are just living in a continuous reincarnation cycle, where fear will ALWAYS be part of us no matter what (because we always remain inside a human body ?) ?

Yes, as long as we continue to incarnate into this dimension as 'humans' we are going to experience fear.


Edit : So your version of "heaven/hell" is what dimension we manage to transcend/descend to, based on whether we master our SELF with things like astral projections etc ?


Yes. In my opinion, all higher dimensions are 'Heaven(s)' and all lower dimensions are 'Hells' - and depending on where you are, these are relative terms.

For us, the 4th dimension may be considered 'Heaven' because it is higher than this one. But a 7th dimensional being would certainly consider the 4th dimension to be Hellish, and of a lower vibration.

metacomet
15-02-2010, 09:56 PM
And Meta, would you say that we ALL end up in the 4th dimension when we die ?
Hopefully yes... there is howerever the possibility that we can die and remain stuck in this dimension, which is the origin of 'earthbound spirits' (ghosts)...

And there is also the possibility of dying and ending up in a dimension lower than this one... it wouldn't be '2 Dimensional' as we understand it, but '2nd dimension' is the relative term we would use to describe it.

And when we die in the 4th, do we then go to the 5th, and then the 6th, then the 7th etc ?

Hopefully yes!

In whatever dimension you have 'incarnated', you can 'die' or pass onto higher dimension only by raising your vibration. If not, you remain stuck in that dimension, or if you lower your vibration, you go to an even lower.

And when we get to each dimension, do we continue where we left off (ie if we got to a level of spirituality in the 3rd, are we then reborn with the same amount of spirituality in the 4th ?) ?

Absolutely. Which is why we are instructed to strengthen and condition our spiritual body - so that it may first of all survive the transition to a higher dimension, and so that we can have the qualities needed to 'cope with' it.

If we don't have that, we will simply remain in this dimension. Either incarnating again, or remaining earthbound spirits.

and you prepare yourself how ?


All spiritual practices are meant to prepare our spirit body for becoming our 'main vehicle'. Right now we hardly give our spirit body any consideration, but we use it everynight when we dream.

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I've gotten into lucid dreamin & Astral projection but the whole idea scares me. I dont know it so it frightens me.

Death frightens people as well. Being without a physical body seems strange and alien to us. But alot of people who experience it find it extremely liberating and awesome.

The whole idea of waking up and my body being paralyzed and some goblin (as a poster on here said) sitting on top of me lol

Yep, and you are also liable to witness demons and very scary things in the non-physical realms. Not much you can do about that except aim for higher dimensions where they can't exist.

WHATEVER dimension we are in, we dont KNOW what dimension it is do we ?

Good point. Using terms like 3rd and 4th dimension etc. is just how we cope with this. Everything is relative... we don't really know what 'number' we are on. We can only be sure that there are infinite higher and lower vibrations.


We just know that we are here now. So this dimensional theory doesnt have any effect at all. How do we know that we are not in the 4th dimention now ?

Parts of us are in the 4th dimension right now. All of your thoughts and feelings are non-physical and spiritual phenomena. They exist in dimensions higher than your physical body. Some aspects of ourself exist far beyond the 4th dimension and we call these our 'higher selves'.

I disagree. I don't think reincarnation is instantaneous. It is possible to hang around the lower astral "in limbo" for centuries without reincarnating.

That's right. Earthbound spirits and ghosts are in a 'limbo'.

The Tibetan Book of the Dead instructs departed spirits specifically to keep them from getting stuck... it also instructs not to wander into specific lights (frequencies) or to allow temptations for food, sex, etc. to pull them back down, otherwise they will reincarnate (which is seen as a bad thing).

Hey, been browsing the forums for quite some time. Just now I felt like signing up.

It's an interesting theory
But to the original posters and others that replied how do you know that this is all true? Why do you guys assume what this guy saying is fact?

Nobody assumes I'm speaking facts, these are just ideas.

As to your question, thousands of years of spiritual and out of body practice have proven these things to be 'true'... but the only real proof is to experience them yourself. Spiritual phenomena must be experienced personally... it's pointless to tell someone about it and expect them to believe it.

toseeitclearly
15-02-2010, 10:34 PM
Religions can make peoples perception on a low dimension field with worshipping in god and fear based propaganda. There are no reptillians in the 3rd its the 4th thats where i saw the closet thing to a reptillian with the features and everything, and you will get people who dont believe because they dont see or experience it. I have defintly no fear in death or anything else in this life, i just go along with it and see what happens.

metacomet
21-02-2010, 08:28 PM
Religions can make peoples perception on a low dimension field with worshipping in god and fear based propaganda.

Sounds about right. Instead of giving us the true picture of higherdimensional (holy) beings... existing in places where there is no fear or judgement or pain, we are conditioned to consider them in only that perspective. The angry, vengeful God etc.

There are no reptillians in the 3rd its the 4th

Do you think they can manipulate 3rd dimensional bodies (like ours)? Is that why people see it as shapeshifting? They are getting a glimpse of 4th dimensional entities in 3rd dimensional suits.

idgy
23-02-2010, 01:52 PM
Dear Metacomet,
This a really good post. I'm a lucid dreamer & what you are saying makes reallly good sense.

To Keep it brief, before I came across David Icke's work and the reptilians, I was being attacked in my sleep. Most probably because I do have lucid dreams and 'wake up' in another dimension. These attacks were sexual in nature. At first it was a dream, but then I would become lucid and question this entity. At that point it would suddenly become very angry and shift it's shape. I could never 'see' it, but I could feel it and thought it was 'alien/reptile like'.

When I showed my fear & tried to fight it physically, it seemed to feed off the energy and actually became stronger. This went on for a long time, until I found David Ickes work & it all fell into place.

I was on a dream forum for a while and it seems very common. To get rid of it I mastered my dreams & also my fear. There are a few things people can do to raise their vibration during dreaming. I now sometimes feel a vibrational 'bliss' in my sleep.....it's wonderful.

First is to become lucid and recognise it's a dream. Not always easy, but start by writing all dreams down. Your mind then remembers them during waking and so in sleep, you seem to recognise it's a dream.

Master your fear. If something is chasing you, turn around and face it (there is normally nothing there or it becomes nice).
If you are about to fall from a high place, take control and fly instead. Not by flapping arms (doesn't work), but by your mind.
If you are about to die in a dream, don't fight it, just let it happen and breathe through it.
Learning to meditate is handy and you can meditate in your dreams. You can even get your astral body into lotus position, which seems to generate a huge amount of energy.
If you are with a group of other people in a dream, and realise you are dreaming, tell them it's only a dream & see them 'wake' up.

When you have control in your sleep, you become more empowered. For unwanted entities, all you have to do is show no fear and tell it to 'Get out, I didn't invite you'. Don't try to speak it. Say it in your mind. They get angry but it seems to work.

I've always thought there is a lot that we can do to raise our vibration during sleep. It's a really good way to overcome fear without the physical body feeling any pain.

I hope this post might help anyone who finds themselves attacked in sleep.

Good luck with your dreaming all.
love
idgy

metacomet
23-02-2010, 04:22 PM
Good post idgy. I've been attacked as well. It happened so quickly that I didn't remember it until the next morning about 20 mins after being awake.

I think alot of things happen to us on the other side that we don't remember, dreams in general are not easy to bring back to waking life. That's why remembering our dreams is important. It's also part of lucid dream training!

I agree that you can't fight the beings with anger. I remember being angry the second I realized I was being fed on, but I had an automatic reflex to pulse light out from my body... and that is what got rid of the parasite, not the anger or struggling.

idgy
24-02-2010, 11:41 AM
Thank you for your reply Metacomet. Yes, I've 'woken' inbetween sleep and waking to find something sucking energy from me. How do you mean pulse light? Do you feel yourself as light?

I don't know (maybe someone out there can help), but in my experience, these dark beings somehow get into your dream. Being lucid I have noticed that sometimes there appears a being on the edge of a dream. If I acknowledge that being or interact with it, It would seem that I have invited it in and gave it permission to enter my dream (bit like a vampire that can only enter in you invite it).

I've often thought that the dreamworld was a bit of a spiritual battleground, and we are also manipulated to feel fear in our sleep as well. I certainly don't watch horror or action on TV as it makes my sleep very disturbed and it effects people more than they realise. But I think using your dreams it is a great way to raise our vibration (what you do in the dreamworld certainly has an effect on our physical bodies). I feel that alot of people wonder what they can do about this whole situation, and feel a bit helpless. This is certainly one thing that may help, mastering your dreams and cutting off a scource of fear based energy. A silent, unseen revoulution.

Just one more thing. Where once I could fly through space, I'm now finding that when I fly, wires that are electrical in nature appear. They are unpleasant and trap me. I then find myself trapped inside a stuffy glass building (can't get through the glass either) Has anyone else experienced this? I've worked out quite a bit of stuff so far, and this seems to be my next thing. I can't get to the blue sky beyond, it's like being in prison. The only way I can get out is by waking up.

Thanks.

astrochicken
24-02-2010, 01:38 PM
It's not surprising that the word "trauma" (greek for "wound") is so
close to the german word for dream: "TRAUM".

iknowwhatiknow
24-02-2010, 03:09 PM
Good post, OP.

Here's another kicker:

A human being is comprised of body, personality, and soul/spirit. When someone dies, their body & personality go to the grave. Meanwhile, the person's true being -- the soul/spirit goes to the light at the end of the tunnel to experience another physical reincarnation.

So, when people see ghosts, or contact the "spirits" of their deceased ancestors, they're not actually communicating with their souls/spirits, for that person's true being is already reincarnated and living another physical life. Who they're actually seeing and talking to are the decaying personalities of the deceased.

The personality may take up to 1,000 years to decay, and appears as a ghostly "spirit" hovering near the grave, or in some occasions may venture away from the grave, but not too far.

From what I have read, I heard that the personality is still attached to the soul when it passes over. The reason I say this is because our thoughts, beliefs and actions on Earth kind of follow us into the 4th dimension. At the time of death, if you were totured, depressed or sad in the 3rd dimension, it is more possible to go to this 'hell' when transitioning in death (from 3rd to 4th dimension.) This is why reptilians make it uncomfortable for us on Earth. Many of us are unhappy, broke, depressed,etc. If we carry these same thoughts to this 4th dimension, then we're going have problems!




From my belief, the reptilians on the 3rd and 4th dimension bombard us with 'scary' images such as demons, ghost, aliens...mostly in movies, books and even the radio. PURE brainwashing. In the 4th dimension, everything there is thought-based, meaning you can warp your own reality. Its the same as if you are having a lucid dream and you are aware you are dreaming,then you may find yourself being able to manipulate time and space with our thoughts. If you cross over at the moment of 'death' and find yourself in a lower dimension, all you have to do is simply 'think' yourself to a better place by using happy thoughts. We may have temporary control over our 'environment' by using certain thoughts,but I believe we are still trapped in the matrix. I think ALL levels of the vibrations (dimensions) are still within the matrix. What I really want to know is, what is outside the 12th dimension. Is that outside the matrix?


What we may not realize is that reptilians are thought-forms (some projected by us, and some projected from the matrix). This would explain their ill-intent and lack of emotions, caring, etc. You are exactly right when you say people who have contact with the "ghost" or deceased loved ones are actually the personality and not the spirit. i was reading something about the astral world, and it said that seeing a ghost or what not can either be a thought form produced by a mourning family member or friend and/or the 'shell' of the physical body.



ALso, from my understanding of death, we are forced to recarnate back to this 3rd dimension so the reptilians (though-forms produced by the matrix) can continue to feed off of us. The 3rd dimension seems to be caught up in a Time-loop. The life we are experiencing at this very moment was already played out before. Thats why we are distracted here on Earth with material possession, so we won't be able to focus on the spiritual sense. People who are more spiritual on earth (if you haven't noticed) seem to be the most "unfortunate" ones. They are almost never rich or have a lot of money and can't seem to 'get ahead'. That is because when you detach yourself from the brainwashing and material possessions here on Earth, you are not rewarded with these things on Earth,BUT you will be in the next life or higher dimensions. Some of the most spirtually advanced people are homeless, broke, unfortunate, etc.

metacomet
08-04-2010, 02:41 AM
The 3rd dimension seems to be caught up in a Time-loop. The life we are experiencing at this very moment was already played out before.

This is absolutely right, in my opinion.

I also think it is very related to deja vu (http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107793)...

joel1212
10-04-2010, 02:44 AM
good thread!

dngrs
10-04-2010, 08:58 AM
I got a problem with dreaming.. I can't remember what my dreams are like (I rarely do).. I just woke up and I'm not even sure I've dreamt about anything ( if that's possible lol). I've slept 10 hours (like I do usually).

hollo
10-04-2010, 10:58 AM
if you died and you/your soul went to the 4th dimension
then wouldnt it be logical that you would incarnate in the 4th?
either way there seems to be a lot of benefit to lucid dreaming.

dryadlover
10-04-2010, 12:14 PM
I would like to push an idea to this thread.
Our body has 7 energy center. Each energy center corresponds to a density level. Whenever our spirit activates an energy center our spirit/mind complex moves into that center and manifests itself within a vehicle called body.

Because the concept of our entire creation is the concept of polarity/duality, our vehicle (body) has to have a dual nature in any of the density level, i.e a body of dark and a body of light, a body of matter and a body of energy, a body of slow and barely controllable change and a body of fast and absolutely controllable change.

As it seems right now we are living in the 3rd density in a dark body of matter. When our dark body stops to operate our spirit/mind complex immediatly switches its focus into the energetic body, which still operates on the same density level of existance, i.e. we are still being in the 3rd density, yet in a different body, which has the possibility to move our spirit/mind into the energetic, un manifested, thus completely controlled counterpart of this density. This light/energy reality may be refered as astral of the third density.

Basically, i consider, that in order to move spirit/mind into 4th density one's spirit/mind has to switch it's focus into the 4th energy center of our body/universe, thus creating a completely different perceptual illusion of existance. Apparently 4th density will also have a dual nature, yet i consider it to be far less prominent and obvious. Prorbably the idea of nagtivity/positivity coexistance on the same spacial pattern may be also unnecessary.

As our spirit/mind moves it's focus into higher energy centers the difference (duality) becomes almost non sensible and in the 7th energy center/density polarity becomes singularity.

If there are other energy centers/densities existant after 7, then i assume the cycle has to move and become one with infinity and start itself all over again with a completely and totally different perspective.

hopelight
10-04-2010, 02:20 PM
wonderful thread! so many interesting ideas and perceptions. Thank you all

asleepawake
11-04-2010, 08:55 AM
Great post!! Thanks for sharing.

I guess the supposed reptillian beings in the 4th dimension, mainpulate this one through dreams and such. After all everything is connected. So I presume the 4th dimensions happenings have a huge effect on what is happening in this reality.

I've always had seemingly significant dreams. Last year when I was actively searching for myself, my awakening I guess most people call it. I woke up in the morning, did what I usually do, then after about 30 minutes realised a few hours before I woke, I was lying in my bed attempting to move and say something to my partner, but all that was coming out was the slightest croak. In the doorway of our bedroom, there was a female figure standing there, the face was smudged out though. Also woke up before with the being in my dream, standing over me in this reality. Dunno whether that was hallucination, but I hadn't felt fear like that since I was a child.

Infact 2 nights ago, the night before I read this thread (My higher self always lead's me to a thread that I appear to need lol). For the first time I flew, or remember that I flew in a dream. Also had me running away from people in the area i gew up in, but as I knew the area I escaped pretty easily. Then I came across some guys that I got the feeling they were stoners, and were floating sitting on some form of table anc chairs in the sky, I flew up to them set down and pulled an already lit joint out of my pocket lol.

Anyway just thought I'd share. I feel more ready to face the demons of the dreamworld completely head on now. Thankyou.

metacomet
18-04-2010, 06:51 PM
if you died and you/your soul went to the 4th dimension
then wouldnt it be logical that you would incarnate in the 4th?

Yes.

However, incarnating in higher dimensions means that you will no longer be a part of the 3rd dimension where you can be corralled and fed upon.

There are systems in place to ensure that a person will lack the capacity to handle higher-dimensional existence upon death and will revert to the 3rd dimension (which is familiar and 'safe').

These systems are intended to mute your consciousness, cover your third eye, kill your spirituality or belief in other worlds / realities (including your belief in 'heavens' or 'hells').

So that by the time you die, instead of ascending to the 4th and staying there (or even higher dimensions) you will panic and quickly return to the 3rd.

There are also temptations presented to a spirit upon death, covered in the Tibetan Book of the Dead... things like sex, food, etc. will be waved in front of the deceased spirit's face to entice them back into the 3rd. Almost all of us were 'caught' in that way.

metacomet
18-04-2010, 06:53 PM
Because the concept of our entire creation is the concept of polarity/duality, our vehicle (body) has to have a dual nature in any of the density level, i.e a body of dark and a body of light, a body of matter and a body of energy, a body of slow and barely controllable change and a body of fast and absolutely controllable change.

As it seems right now we are living in the 3rd density in a dark body of matter.

Absolutely.

bruiseviolet
19-04-2010, 03:03 AM
Interesting thread. Will read this section more often.

asleepawake
20-04-2010, 08:42 PM
Metacomet, just wondering if you could shed any light.

If the 4th dimension is were we reside in the afterlife, do we inhabit a vehicle as we do in the 3rd dimension...or is there no need for one.

Also, do you know whether dreaming is just an aspect of the 4th dimension, or is it the real deal. Will the experience feel more full on in the afterlife, or just like a dream. It would make sense, seen as when you sleep it feels like time has flown by, which is how alot of people explain the afterlife.

metacomet
20-04-2010, 11:21 PM
Metacomet, just wondering if you could shed any light.

If the 4th dimension is were we reside in the afterlife, do we inhabit a vehicle as we do in the 3rd dimension...or is there no need for one.

Yes we are still 'contained' as individual bodies of consciousness in the 4th dimension, although we might not have literal bodies. For instance, the part of you which experience "I" in the 3rd dimension can still exist in the 4th. But beyond that, the feeling of 'I' starts to fade.

It is the dimensions above that where our consciousness gradually loses it's distinction and individuality. This is experience in people in Near Death (or After Death) experiences as well as Astral Projection and transcendental / psychedelic experiences when they start to reach higher and higher planes of existence. The eventuality is that you meld your consciousness with the all-is. You have absolutely no body or distinction at that point.


Also, do you know whether dreaming is just an aspect of the 4th dimension, or is it the real deal.

It is definitely not the 'real deal' yet because we are conditioned to be semi-unconscious during the dreamstate. We are not aware we are dreaming and have very little control of the dream. When we become lucid or are out of body - then we experience the unfiltered 4th dimension (which seems more 'real' than even our physical existence).

Will the experience feel more full on in the afterlife, or just like a dream.

That is a great question and has heavy connotations.

If we don't develop our consciousness sufficiently in this reality, when we pass to the next, yes, we will be in a dreamstate consciousness which will allow us to be easily controlled / enticed back into the 3rd.

If we develop our consciousness in this reality and practice being conscious in the 4th - we can expect to have more control over our fate in the afterlife.


http://i9.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/2c/73/dffc_10.JPG

These are tennants which are expressed in most major religions (before they became organized and perverted). Buddha, Christ, Krishna etc. all taught to sharpen your spiritual capacity so that you can make the transition from this dimension to those higher up... if you don't do that, or you become sufficiently mired in this reality (through materialism, ego, attachments etc. or things otherwise known as 'sin') you will , as Christ said, be as likely to enter 'heaven' as a camel is likely to fit through the eye of a needle. It just won't happen.

bruiseviolet
21-04-2010, 02:38 AM
What about lucid dreaming pills? Are they necessary or is it best to just wake up, remember your dream and jot it down?

I'm pretty new to this and although I dream a lot, lately I seem to not have nightmares as such but dreams that are negative and I often wake up with a headache or feeling somewhat suffocated.

I used to have quite a good sleep but lately I don't wake up refreshed, I wake up with a hung over feeling. (I'm not).

So yeah would be nice to be given some info as I'm pretty new to it. :o May do some researching tonight.

1977
21-04-2010, 03:41 AM
The astral body, as the name indicates, is an accumulation of lower-vibration thoughtforms imparted by the planets and crystalized by one's own thoughts. It is essentially one's false, egoic "personality" in distinction to the true "Self," which exists in the region of the heart. (Thus the belief of the Egyptians that one's mind existed in the heart—the brain is simply dead "grey matter".) This has been taught by seemingly every religion in one form or another, yet is not greatly understood today.

But as the astral realm is that of thought, it means that everything in this space is ultimately illusory—even "reptilians".

To uncover the true "self" was a process that Carl Jung called "individuation," and is the "new birth" spoken of by Christ. Paul in 1 Corinthians calls the corruptible astral "shell" of the person the soma psychikon, while the immortal spirit is the soma pneumatikon. Thus it is important to not neglect this etheric/spiritual body.

Christ casts seven demons out of Mary Magdalene, a representation of his casting out the astral influence of the seven classical planets. This is more fully detailed in the Gospel of Mary, where Mary Magdalene is seen discarding the negative astral influences as her soul ascends through the spheres to the Pleromatic realm.

It's not surprising that the word "trauma" (greek for "wound") is so
close to the german word for dream: "TRAUM".
Yes, when the Self undergoes a traumatic or fearful experience, it contracts and installs astral blockages, committing a form of slow suicide. "Love" is essentially the Self rekindling its own flame, and expanding to overpower these same blockages. We erect barriers to keep our Selves from being harmed by others.

The problem is that many spiritual disciplines will tell you to "extinguish desire" or some such nonsense, which only leads to further emotional repression. It's more a matter of "being yourself" in its truest sense.

dryadlover
21-04-2010, 10:05 AM
If the 4th dimension is were we reside in the afterlife, do we inhabit a vehicle as we do in the 3rd dimension...or is there no need for one.

Also, do you know whether dreaming is just an aspect of the 4th dimension, or is it the real deal. Will the experience feel more full on in the afterlife, or just like a dream. It would make sense, seen as when you sleep it feels like time has flown by, which is how alot of people explain the afterlife.

I would like to post an opinion on these two subjects.

You will always inhabit a vehicle (body/form) as long as you are separated from infinity. In the energy realm of afterlife you will have a so called "glorified body" which at first takes your subconscious ideal of a perfect body/form, however you are free to change it any way you like. It will seem more real to you than third density energy body (which is very dense and cannot be changed by thought), due to sudden leap of increased vibrational frequency of energy/thought, you will be amazed at fist, later you will get used to "realness" and vividness however.
In the higher densities/dimensions you can even dissolve your body into pure light/love and be as it is.

Dreaming is a energy/thought aspect of this dimension/density most of the time, and is governed by your higher self. "Afterlife" is similar to dreaming in a sence that it is governed by the same laws of illusion, where time is used instead of space to observe and coordinate the illusory perception. The effects are almost the same, although the mechanics are very different. The main noticable differenece is that you are able to "thought travel" very easily between spacial illusory patterns, as well as very easily "thought change" the existing ones. The idea of "astral planes" comes from that perspective, however it is more of an "astral timeline".
The experience in "afterlife" is as full and even fuller as in your human life.
Your are more than fully conscious after "death".

In a sence there is no life or afterlife, there is only life and a process called incarnation. You incarnate only if you chose to, and in third density(earth), when you incarnate, you have to apply veil of forgetfulness so that the conditions of free will are met. When you incarnate in higher densities the veil is lifted, and you no longer forget your previous experiences.

whiterain
21-04-2010, 02:27 PM
Yes we are still 'contained' as individual bodies of consciousness in the 4th dimension, although we might not have literal bodies. For instance, the part of you which experience "I" in the 3rd dimension can still exist in the 4th. But beyond that, the feeling of 'I' starts to fade.

It is the dimensions above that where our consciousness gradually loses it's distinction and individuality. This is experience in people in Near Death (or After Death) experiences as well as Astral Projection and transcendental / psychedelic experiences when they start to reach higher and higher planes of existence. The eventuality is that you meld your consciousness with the all-is. You have absolutely no body or distinction at that point.



It is definitely not the 'real deal' yet because we are conditioned to be semi-unconscious during the dreamstate. We are not aware we are dreaming and have very little control of the dream. When we become lucid or are out of body - then we experience the unfiltered 4th dimension (which seems more 'real' than even our physical existence).



That is a great question and has heavy connotations.

If we don't develop our consciousness sufficiently in this reality, when we pass to the next, yes, we will be in a dreamstate consciousness which will allow us to be easily controlled / enticed back into the 3rd.

If we develop our consciousness in this reality and practice being conscious in the 4th - we can expect to have more control over our fate in the afterlife.


http://i9.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/2c/73/dffc_10.JPG

These are tennants which are expressed in most major religions (before they became organized and perverted). Buddha, Christ, Krishna etc. all taught to sharpen your spiritual capacity so that you can make the transition from this dimension to those higher up... if you don't do that, or you become sufficiently mired in this reality (through materialism, ego, attachments etc. or things otherwise known as 'sin') you will , as Christ said, be as likely to enter 'heaven' as a camel is likely to fit through the eye of a needle. It just won't happen.

what makes you think we could be enticed back? while i agree with your last point in that the less attachment you have the easier the transition will be, i think it still pongs a little of christian dogma. theres plenty of people who have had experiences like this who are still lugging round massive ego's (myself) and while it certainy doesnt help, it by no means makes you a bad person or unable to see past it. so to say it just wont happen is misguided

after saying all that i hope there arent many of you with even stronger attachments to the ego than me, cos damn mine was a fckin nightmare to get past even temporarily

whiterain
21-04-2010, 02:32 PM
What about lucid dreaming pills? Are they necessary or is it best to just wake up, remember your dream and jot it down?

I'm pretty new to this and although I dream a lot, lately I seem to not have nightmares as such but dreams that are negative and I often wake up with a headache or feeling somewhat suffocated.

I used to have quite a good sleep but lately I don't wake up refreshed, I wake up with a hung over feeling. (I'm not).

So yeah would be nice to be given some info as I'm pretty new to it. :o May do some researching tonight.

the best and simplest way to get a sneak peak at lucidity is, for me, to wake up a couple of hours earlier than usual and mooch around for a few minutes without waking yourself up properly (grab a drink, go to the toilet). then go back to bed and either just fall asleep with the intention to at least remember or gain lucidity in the dream. or try a little meditation with the same intent. i usually do this one but end up drifting back to sleep and always at least have something vivid to remember if not completely lucid

jthrale
22-04-2010, 12:46 AM
This thread is great. I have really enjoyed reading through it.

I want to know if anyone has any book recommendations so I can continue reading about this stuff.

So far I think I will check out the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Sounds interesting.

asleepawake
22-04-2010, 09:41 AM
the best and simplest way to get a sneak peak at lucidity is, for me, to wake up a couple of hours earlier than usual and mooch around for a few minutes without waking yourself up properly (grab a drink, go to the toilet). then go back to bed and either just fall asleep with the intention to at least remember or gain lucidity in the dream. or try a little meditation with the same intent. i usually do this one but end up drifting back to sleep and always at least have something vivid to remember if not completely lucid

I always wake up a few hours before I have to just by 'accident', and always have a bizarre dream in that small time I'm asleep. I guess it 's lucid dreaming because I'm usually in control of most of my feelings thoughts, and actions.

Meditating before sleep helps aswell, haven't done it in a few weeks though.

whiterain
22-04-2010, 03:39 PM
had a freaking weird one this morning. went back to sleep and then suddenly was aware i was dreaming and watching 2 different versions of my mate. it was like him at 2 different points in the past talking about me when i wasnt there. could have been interesting but i felt like i was spying so left

metacomet
02-12-2010, 02:04 AM
had a freaking weird one this morning. went back to sleep and then suddenly was aware i was dreaming and watching 2 different versions of my mate. it was like him at 2 different points in the past talking about me when i wasnt there. could have been interesting but i felt like i was spying so left

Heck yeah. You saw his alternate.

Outside of spacetime there are infinite alternates. Sometimes this is seen as beings who have many arms/ heads.

I made a thread about it here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107981) .

http://ri.rediffiland.com/homepimages/home4/247/b559be323cb7d4c79bbd65836ad3c456/homep/images/1235147985

jason525
12-12-2010, 10:03 PM
This is what happens when you dream, and when you die :

The spirit body exits the physical container in this reality by raising it's vibration beyond the physical and assumes form in the 4th dimension, where it's thoughts, emotions, and deep seeded fears assume actual form and shape. This materialization of thought is used against the dreamer in his daze, as he does not realize that his dreams are actual events in 'the astral' or 4th dimension.

When speaking of the 4th dimension, I am referring to a non-physical dimension outside of our perception, and outside of 'spacetime' as we know it. In quantum physics the 4th dimension is accounted for as the origin of 'Time' and it overlays our dimension, which we experience quite obviously as movement, differences, distances, etc. ... time is a dimensional phenomena, it is not local to the 3rd dimension, but is instead a 4th dimension. All 3rd dimensional beings have a 4th dimensional self which becomes aware 1/3 of their life in order to familiarize them with their next highest dimension.

In other words, all of us dream, and are sleeping (or should sleep) 1/3 of our life, because our 4th dimensional self must experience itself 1/3 of our lives, in order to prepare us for the Big Transition of full awareness and existence in the 4th dimension...

What is that 'Big Transition'called for us? Death.

http://www.goodtofeelgood.com/images/dream-landscape.jpg

The act of dreaming is the act of reconnecting with the 4th dimensional 'higher self' of a human being (which is also contained by 5th-7th(?) or perhaps infinite higher selves, which is a topic I will hold for now). This aspect of ourself creates objects, places, people, and even realities with thought alone. This is called 'dreaming' if the person is unaware.

Dreaming is dimensional travel, and so is the afterlife. But when a human being, incarnated in the 3rd dimension has a dream, he is left dazed, confused, and unaware, subject to all sorts of abuse... and this is how he is fed upon by 4th dimensional beings. This is why he must be easily controlled and is genetically programmed. This is also why he is bombarded by negative or 'dark' imagery, encouraged to feel guilt, jealousy, anger, shame, or other lower dimensional emotions, as well as endless thoughts which cause him pain. He is being fed on by the 4th dimension.

Without time, there is no possibility of injury or pain or suffering or guilt, anger, jealousy, or any negative feeling. Time is experienced here in the 3rd and lower dimensions... when we ascend to the 4th or 5th dimensions which are irrespective of time, we are free of all suffering and despair.

This is because lower dimensional feelings, based in time and separation (space), cannot be carried into 'heaven' which is outside of time and space.

http://www.fatbrowne.com/pics/afterlife.jpg

We should not despair that we are fed on by 4th dimensional beings.

It is only fair in that human beings do ourselves, take advantage of and feed upon beings of lesser awareness ... and we are even more capable of freeing ourselves and fighting back then some animals.

As beings of lesser awareness in the 4th dimension, we are given time through 'dreaming' to familiarize ourself with the 4th dimension. It is here we are supposed to learn how to become thought-creators and manifest our own reality, but the dreamworld as we have access to it has been muted and curtained off from us, through manipulation of our mind and the stripping of our dna. A human being without ability to let go of this reality and exist in a thought based, non-physical reality, is at a disadvantage, and fears death.


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When a human being dies, he will not be familiar with the 4th dimension, because he has been kept from becoming lucid in his dreams and realizing his 4th dimensional self. Growing up so to speak and getting a headstart in the 4th dimension is important, and so as our physical body regenerates, our spirit enters a daily cycle of exiting the body, to enter the fourth dimension, which is to be entered 'permanently' at 'death'.

http://www.kenseamedia.com/encyclopedia/aaa/images/afterlife1.jpg

In the 4th dimension, other beings aware of thought-creation create their own objects and stages and often subject the dreamer or 'soul of the damned' to tortures and long, chaptered dreams, escapades of unfair or painful experiences which teach him little but release great volumes of emotion based on Tension and Fear. This is the lowest and least enjoyable emotions the human is capable of having. He will also dream of fighting, murdering, or debaucheries and scenes unthinkable for him in waking life. These are often called 'nightmares'. This is the mechanism used by higher dimensional beings to confuse and strip the human soul of it's impurities and feed upon it. This dissolving of the ego is an incredibly painful experience.

A human being full of fear, despair, guilt or is a large meal, and as he unravels his ego he is easily fed upon.

If a human being has cleansed his ego, and strengthened his spirit before death, he is a warrior in the 4th dimension, and not cattle, for the simple fact that he is vibrating at a higher frequency then the predators.

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A human being is encouraged his entire life, by his own thoughts and higher self, to strive for something more then the physical, whether through his own self awareness and integrity or the instruction of higher dimensional beings (captured and re-scripted in many 'religions'). If a human being decides to be come spiritually aware, he is rewarded by synchronicities and 'spiritual experiences' and grows as a bigger and stronger being in the 3rd dimension. But at the same time, a human soul which is strong and healthy is still assaulted by 'lower dimensions' and 4th dimensional predators. Such is the nature of reality, the strongest bull will always be hunted first.

This is the benefit to 4th dimensional beings, of keeping 3rd dimensional humans polluted, and ignorant of their higher self.



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Human beings are capable of becoming 'lucid' in dreams or realizing that they are dreaming. In such states they become thought-creators, changing their dream experience, and are incapable of being controlled. It is paramount to the hierarchy of dimensions thatbeings in the 4th dimension feed upon those who cannot see them or combat them physically, that is, those in the 3rd dimension.

If a human becomes aware of the 4th dimension he witnesses the predatory field around him, allowing him to escape the proverbial lions and alligators of our dreamscape...

http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp/brainbasics/brain3.gif

http://www.dericbownds.net/bom99/Ch03/Ch03-3.gif

But there are even deeper mechanisms within our own physical mind, devoted to allowing our control. We must realize that as we have affected the genetic range of all animals (the dog for instance) the human being has likewise been run through many genetic courses by 4th dimensional intervention... this is quite literally what makes humans different from animals. We are of higher dimensions, but are cloaked in this dimension and manipulated by it, as 3rd dimensional beings.

This truth has been interpreted as human beings having divine origin, which is true, in that we are higher dimensional beings 'trapped' in physicality. But the genetic human body is in fact like all other bodies, a physical object which is fed upon, and has been manipulated through genetic intervention. There is still genuine beauty and greatness in the human experience, and the human body, but there are also such things in many of the animals we have killed, driven extinct or near extinction.

For us, it does not matter if we are ever harmed physically... we are still fed upon by non-physical beings. To die in the physical is not the only thing. You can also be terrorized and fed on in the afterlife. To arm yourself and be prepared you must become familiar with the next dimension, the fabric of the afterlife.

If we dream with lucidity, become proficient in the 'astral realm' through astral projection or deep meditation... awareness and strength in our 4th dimensional self develops as something we will inherit at death. Otherwise, we are going to be naked and afraid.

If we remain spiritually pure, we are untouchable as a law of vibration does not allow lower vibrating 4th dimensional beings to feed on a 5th dimensional soul.

This is a David Icke inspired rant, and I thank you for reading.

I know exactly what you mean by these lucid dreams where you realize you are dreaming. I keep having more and more of them as time goes on.

terrytorro
12-12-2010, 10:09 PM
Wow, I am so glad I came across this thread....I've become a chronic lucid dreamer since last yr of October...everytime I lucid dream its something scary, almost as if my mind sabotages itself with scary images. Whenever I realize 'I'm dreaming is when I'm spooked by something and I force myself to wake up, when I wake up my vision is altered by strange images. One morning I woke up from a lucid dream but I was facing my wall, however the wall wasn't there it was a dark gray room and it was empty then my vision became "clear" again. The first time I had a lucid dream I got scared cuz this dragon was charging towards me then I woke up and my room appeared to be a dark cave and it was red, a baby panda jumped on top of one of the rocks and stared at me as if I wasn't supposed to be there, I tried to scream but I couldn't speak nor move then it jumped at me and then there was a flicker of light then my room appeared. From these couple of experiences I've become fearful of lucid dreams because I've always been afraid of the concepts of demons and creatures, even paranormal things such as being possessed. I want to be able to overcome these fears becomes I feel its hindering my spiritual growth, I'm even afraid to deeply mediate, does anyone have any thoughts on my dilemma:confused:? Also readying about lower level 4th dimension beings feeding off of fear from us reminds of Monsters Inc, hmmmm. just a thought lol.:cool: