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hagbard_celine
06-09-2007, 11:19 AM
What’s up with Eastenders? Minty and Gus now both have girlfriends and Phil Mitchell, the CMI (Conformist Male Ideal) is back on the bottle! I don’t think for a moment that the producers they’re abandoning their Tavistock Institute hyperDarwinist and sexual conformist propaganda. This must be love-bombing! Give it a few weeks. Minty and Gus will be dumped for CMI’s and Phil will be shagging whoever the Alpha Female is at the moment. I bet she’s a CFI (Conformist Female Ideal). you'll have to fill me in because to tell you the truth I don’t watch Eastenders regularly any more because it makes me ill!
auron
06-09-2007, 05:37 PM
Hahaha!! I actually used to watch that pathetic excuse for a TV show years ago all the time( and the other ones).
Then i got into something known as "conspiracy theories". :D
All of these programmes are exactly that; Programming!
How about we see an episode where everyone recieves a package of psychedelics through the door from some mysterious person. Then the curious folk all ingest them in the pub at the same time.
The nature of reality is revealed to everybody, and they all live happily ever after.
No more fighting, and negative shit ever again.
Then hopefully no more episodes ever again!
I'm a dreamer...............
soglad
06-09-2007, 05:42 PM
Hahaha!! I actually used to watch that pathetic excuse for a TV show years ago all the time( and the other ones).
Then i got into something known as "conspiracy theories". :D
All of these programmes are exactly that; Programming!
How about we see an episode where everyone recieves a package of psychedelics through the door from some mysterious person. Then the curious folk all ingest them in the pub at the same time.
The nature of reality is revealed to everybody, and they all live happily ever after.
No more fighting, and negative shit ever again.
Then hopefully no more episodes ever again!
I'm a dreamer...............
YEAH!!!
"Today's episode, the water supply at Eastenders gets tainted with LSD"
THAT'S what I want to see! :D
steevo
06-09-2007, 08:04 PM
I wont allow any soap operas in my house especially Eastenders, like you say auron, it's programming.
I hardly watch tv these days at all because I can see "programming" and deceit in nearly everything, it makes me anxious. I only use the tv for football sometimes and abit of comedy, plus the news (which I hate) to see what BS they are telling everyone.
lottie
06-09-2007, 08:25 PM
I still like my soaps, i know they're full of shit but i like the escapism for half an hour, im aware of the programming etc, we dont have the news on in the house and ive now got into the habit of turning the sound off between ads too! Small steps n'all that! Ive noticed the veil of negativity that comes down over us if the news comes on and we havnt managed to get to the remote in time, just the seriousness of the headlines, the tone of voice, its always very melancholy and the worst thing they could talk about is the first thing they put on!
Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!
also noticed this in Eastenders (sorry to blaspheme!!) in Peggy Mitchells lounge there is a step up to the living room door which is also wooden and has the same wooden sun on it as Alan Titchmarshes stage.....maybe its all coincidence but somehow i think not.....also there's two lovely red obelisks in Peggys lounge too, dont recall a story line in which they went to Egypt?LOl!!
I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....
steevo
06-09-2007, 10:36 PM
Dont get "Soap Opera Arse" Lottie lol ;)
I remember Vinnie Jones saying "If you watch soap operas you shouldn't be allowed to vote"., but hey, what's the point in voting anyway :( Unless we vote for independents maybe.
Well spotted with the symbolism :)
phoebe
07-09-2007, 02:35 AM
Dont get "Soap Opera Arse" Lottie lol ;)
I remember Vinnie Jones saying "If you watch soap operas you shouldn't be allowed to vote"., but hey, what's the point in voting anyway :( Unless we vote for independents maybe.
Well spotted with the symbolism :)
ha!
Well...
Perhaps we could say the same
For those who watch football Vinny!
I like Eastenders!
I turn the tv on very rarely
But I never miss Eastenders.
We all know it's programming
Key is to be aware of the programming...
Then it simply fails to have an affect.
I wont allow any soap operas in my house especially Eastenders, like you say auron, it's programming.
I hardly watch tv these days at all because I can see "programming" and deceit in nearly everything, it makes me anxious. I only use the tv for football sometimes and abit of comedy, plus the news (which I hate) to see what BS they are telling everyone.
You don't allow soap operas in your house?
How very liberal of you...
hagbard_celine
08-09-2007, 12:50 PM
Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!
also noticed this in Eastenders (sorry to blaspheme!!) in Peggy Mitchells lounge there is a step up to the living room door which is also wooden and has the same wooden sun on it as Alan Titchmarshes stage.....maybe its all coincidence but somehow i think not.....also there's two lovely red obelisks in Peggys lounge too, dont recall a story line in which they went to Egypt?LOl!!
I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....
Well spotted! :) Now you mention it I remember those obelisks.
There's also a strange picture in one of the homes; it used to be Gus' flat, I don't know who lives there now. The picture shows a painting of a pier stretching out to sea with a trianglular gazebo or bandstand at the end. From the perspective of the painting it looks just like the Illuminati pyramid and all-seeing eye! :eek: Could any regular viewers look out for it and tell me if it's still there; I'd rather not watch it myself.
eternal_spirit
08-09-2007, 12:58 PM
:eek: I don't know what the rating figures are these days but Soaps used to pull in a bigger audience than most programmes. Would be a great way to send subliminals and use symbols.
I think the main aim of the Soaps is to have people copy the behaviour they see on the TV. Some of the things that have happened to me could run to an Omnibus edition. ever had the feeling that life has at times turned into a Soap. :rolleyes: I stopped watching some years ago.
tiswas
07-10-2007, 06:31 PM
Soap Operas are an opium to the masses. I actually do enjoy some Easties, but I did like JR and Sue Ellen Ewing in Dallas.
brotherapostate
07-10-2007, 10:40 PM
Eastenders is so fucking depressing. A few years ago I started to watch it to the point where my schedule would demand me to watch it, and I am SOOOOO glad I knocked that one on the head. Horrible, morbid, depressing shite.
brett
07-10-2007, 10:54 PM
My other half watches the soaps (no surprise there), and while looking over from time to time, I noticed an EXCESSIVE amount of advertising in Eastenders!!
For starters, in the Minute Mart, I have seen adverts for Carling, Chupa Chups, Cigarettes, and plenty of other Brand Names that escape my memory at the moment.
The same applies to the Queen Vic. Carling - again, and other brands of Whisky!!
Surely this is against the law - as we pay WAY too much for our licenses as it is!!
raffles
08-10-2007, 07:28 AM
Havent watched eastenders since eddie royal was killed.
I do watch corrie now and again though.
hagbard_celine
09-10-2007, 10:33 PM
Soap Operas are an opium to the masses. I actually do enjoy some Easties, but I did like JR and Sue Ellen Ewing in Dallas.
Karl Marx was wrong; it wasn't religion!
hagbard_celine
09-10-2007, 10:35 PM
Eastenders is so fucking depressing. A few years ago I started to watch it to the point where my schedule would demand me to watch it, and I am SOOOOO glad I knocked that one on the head. Horrible, morbid, depressing shite.
Good for you!:) Eastenders is depressing because it's meant to be! It's created by the elite to demoralize us. Breaking away from it is an act of mental and spiritual freedom. They've not kept you in their net!
:eek: I don't know what the rating figures are these days but Soaps used to pull in a bigger audience than most programmes. Would be a great way to send subliminals and use symbols.
I think the main aim of the Soaps is to have people copy the behaviour they see on the TV. Some of the things that have happened to me could run to an Omnibus edition. ever had the feeling that life has at times turned into a Soap. :rolleyes: I stopped watching some years ago.
spot on acceptable behaviour is learnt from your enviroment and it makes people think well if they do it and nothing bad seems to happen to them then its okay for me ,also it makes you tolerate crap in your life thinking well at least its not as bad as in the soaps .Saw a bit recently while decorating for my mate when i sat to have a break stil las depressing and as far fetched as ever , no wonder elvis shot televisions :D
Good for you!:) Eastenders is depressing because it's meant to be! It's created by the elite to demoralize us. Breaking away from it is an act of mental and spiritual freedom. They've not kept you in their net!
Well I have to differ, because every time I watch a soap, it's about something that they are trying to plug into us, and I know what to differentiate against, like the news! It's laughable and gives us a look into the Illuminati brain, if they have one?
tiswas
10-10-2007, 09:54 PM
The storylines are completely daft and laughable aren't they.
The storylines are completely daft and laughable aren't they.
:D:D:D I Agree :D:D:D:and depressing:(:(:(:(
lottie
10-10-2007, 10:48 PM
Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!
I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....
Ok, well i watched a bit more of the Alan Titchmarsh Show just to see if there was anymore symblism, not only was the gigantic sun on the wooden floor of the stage, there was a chequered miniature chest on his desk next to a red pyramid ,
the classic phallic style windows we've talked of in other threads, the trees all have 3 spheres on them,there's also some other weird stuff but not sure what to make of it! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk7xHsHPigQ
Ok, well i watched a bit more of the Alan Titchmarsh Show just to see if there was anymore symblism, not only was the gigantic sun on the wooden floor of the stage, there was a chequered miniature chest on his desk next to a red pyramid ,
the classic phallic style windows we've talked of in other threads, the trees all have 3 spheres on them,there's also some other weird stuff but not sure what to make of it! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk7xHsHPigQ
Now you've done it lottie! I'm going to be glued to the TV now looking for these symbols. Well spotted::)
lottie
10-10-2007, 11:09 PM
Now you've done it lottie! I'm going to be glued to the TV now looking for these symbols. Well spotted::)
Check out the sun symbol on the stage....
you can first see it in full at 00:45 secs and again in full about two mins in!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=153297
Yes lottie I noticed it after a second replay. A thread should be opened on how many Illuminati symbols spotted in TV programmes.
hagbard_celine
11-10-2007, 08:28 PM
Well I have to differ, because every time I watch a soap, it's about something that they are trying to plug into us, and I know what to differentiate against, like the news! It's laughable and gives us a look into the Illuminati brain, if they have one?
Oh yeah; if you can see through them then you can laugh at them! Like subliminals, they need their victims to be unaware of what's being done to them.
Take George Bush, I'm in hysteric's every time I watch him, I can't help myself!!!!!!
hagbard_celine
02-08-2008, 12:45 PM
The CMI-vs-CAP love triangle plot once again rears its ugly head!:mad::rolleyes::eek::(
They keep using it over and over again! The CMI side is once again Phil meat-head Mitchell, Michelle is the female and the CAP character is Vinnie, played by the brilliant comedian Bobby Davro:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_vinnie_m.shtml
In last nights episode Vinnie told Michelle that he knew she fancied Phil. Of course she does!
I’ve been studying this sinister trend in the storyline for several years now and it keeps coming back! Sometimes it runs concurrently in file with more then one character group. First I should explain my terminology: “CMI’s” (Conformist Male Ideals). The CMI is almost always one of the “Alpha Males”, a powerful and masterful character. He is materially rich and usually runs his own business. He is manipulative, ruthless and unfeeling. He is very attractive to women, even if he is not conventionally handsome, but cares little for them. He abuses them and cheats on them and the viewer knows he can do so with impunity because his women will always come running back. Female viewers are often very attracted to him and send his actor lots of fan mail. Famous examples of CMI’s are:
Den Watts ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_den_w.shtml ),
Phil Mitchell ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_phil_m.shtml),
Steve Owen ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_steve_o.shtml ) and
Andy Hunter. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_andy_h.shtml )
Some CMI’s are so grossly overplayed that they cease to be characters at all and become concepts, like Dennis Rickman: ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_dennis_r.shtml )
Alternatively there are certain characters who are presented in the story as figures of contempt; the message is: “Don’t be like him! If you think you’re in any way becoming like him, then change!” This kind of character I call the “CAP” (Conformist Asexual Punchbag). CAP is a very gentle and inoffensive man. He is capable of enormous affection and kindness. He aids and assists those in need, shows respect for everyone around him, and is as a result usually single! He’s invariably materially poor and lowly; sometimes he's a bit eccentric. People often take advantage of him, sponging off him and using him as a stooge or the butt of jokes and pranks. Prime and typical CAP's are:
Mark Fowler ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_mark_f.shtml ),
Robby Jackson ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_robbie_j.shtml),
Gus Smith ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml ),
Minty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_minty_p.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml) ),
and, many years ago, Lofty Holloway ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_lofty_h.shtml ).
The sinister recurring plot runs thus: A CAP is in love with one of the female characters, but she’s not interested in him. Sometimes she just likes him as a friend. This same female however is either dating or smitten by a CMI; what follows is a tragic and very one-sided love-triangle with an inevitable conclusion: The female’s affections cannot be wrenched away from CMI and CAP gets his heart broken. A good example of these plot structures are Mark Fowler-Lisa-Phil Mitchell; Minty-Andy-Sam; Gus-Sonia-Jamie (although Jamie is not a pure CMI) and Lofty-Michelle-Den; there are many other examples. The message is loud and clear: If you want to be attractive, powerful and successful, be a CMI. Don’t be a CAP or you’ll be a forgotten and trampled-upon nobody.
It's mind-control propaganda that trying to brainwash men into having a particular lifestyle and personality. I know blokes who are engineering personas to match the CMI's in M.K.Enders!:eek::(
zarah
02-08-2008, 01:57 PM
I remember when I used to watch Eastenders years ago..Minty began life as a 'CMI'..he owned some kind of bed and breakfast where prostitutes would hire beds by the hour.
duckingdafta
02-08-2008, 05:39 PM
Incest coming next..
hagbard_celine
03-08-2008, 09:48 PM
I remember when I used to watch Eastenders years ago..Minty began life as a 'CMI'..he owned some kind of bed and breakfast where prostitutes would hire beds by the hour.
Very often characters change personalities to fulfill various roles. Roy, Pat's second husband started out as a CMI, he even threatened Pat's current date at the time he met her. But the changed into a CAP when Frank Butcher came back into the series, to set up a CMI-CAP love triangle.
hagbard_celine
03-08-2008, 09:49 PM
Incest coming next..
They're getting a bit deperate for new ideas!:D
zarah
03-08-2008, 10:18 PM
Not that Id ever watch it but i think there's an incest storyline in Hollyoaks.
Youre so right, HC.
hagbard_celine
03-08-2008, 10:28 PM
Not that Id ever watch it but i think there's an incest storyline in Hollyoaks.
Youre so right, HC.
Do you remember what Mark Fowler was like originally? He used to take on Albert Square's bullies and he rescued a young sex slave from brutal gangsters, almost like Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver; it was a great storyline. But then he transformed into a CAP to take part in a love-triangle with Phil Mitchell. I was very surprised that he didn't turn out to the one who shot Phil.
lightgiver
25-10-2008, 10:13 PM
I still like my soaps, i know they're full of shit but i like the escapism for half an hour, im aware of the programming etc, we dont have the news on in the house and ive now got into the habit of turning the sound off between ads too! Small steps n'all that! Ive noticed the veil of negativity that comes down over us if the news comes on and we havnt managed to get to the remote in time, just the seriousness of the headlines, the tone of voice, its always very melancholy and the worst thing they could talk about is the first thing they put on!
Also thought i'd share a little something i happened to notice today, i came home from work and the tv was on ITV1 and the new show 'The Alan Titchmarsh Show' was on, there was a band playing and as the camera showed an above view of the band, i notived the stage floor (wooden) has a giant Sun on the floor in what appears to be different shades of wood, but a huge sun....most of the size of the stage!
also noticed this in Eastenders (sorry to blaspheme!!) in Peggy Mitchells lounge there is a step up to the living room door which is also wooden and has the same wooden sun on it as Alan Titchmarshes stage.....maybe its all coincidence but somehow i think not.....also there's two lovely red obelisks in Peggys lounge too, dont recall a story line in which they went to Egypt?LOl!!
I know its only silly little things but i notice them and they reinforce it all for me....
the world is a stage,etc,check out vid 1 giant leap,here is a part of it,enjoy:)
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uGlrIBiWbKI
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PPkGdecj018
hagbard_celine
25-10-2008, 10:49 PM
the world is a stage,etc,check out vid 1 giant leap,here is a part of it,enjoy:)
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uGlrIBiWbKI
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=PPkGdecj018
"Hi, I'm all that exists. Pleased to meet you."
"Thought I recognized you. So am I."
David Icke
lightgiver
26-10-2008, 12:41 AM
"Hi, I'm all that exists. Pleased to meet you."
"Thought I recognized you. So am I."
David Icke
I am you,and you are i :D:D:)
armoured_amazon
26-10-2008, 01:19 AM
The CMI-vs-CAP love triangle plot once again rears its ugly head!:mad::rolleyes::eek::(
They keep using it over and over again! The CMI side is once again Phil meat-head Mitchell, Michelle is the female and the CAP character is Vinnie, played by the brilliant comedian Bobby Davro:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_vinnie_m.shtml
In last nights episode Vinnie told Michelle that he knew she fancied Phil. Of course she does!
I’ve been studying this sinister trend in the storyline for several years now and it keeps coming back! Sometimes it runs concurrently in file with more then one character group. First I should explain my terminology: “CMI’s” (Conformist Male Ideals). The CMI is almost always one of the “Alpha Males”, a powerful and masterful character. He is materially rich and usually runs his own business. He is manipulative, ruthless and unfeeling. He is very attractive to women, even if he is not conventionally handsome, but cares little for them. He abuses them and cheats on them and the viewer knows he can do so with impunity because his women will always come running back. Female viewers are often very attracted to him and send his actor lots of fan mail. Famous examples of CMI’s are:
Den Watts ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_den_w.shtml ),
Phil Mitchell ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_phil_m.shtml),
Steve Owen ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_steve_o.shtml ) and
Andy Hunter. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_andy_h.shtml )
Some CMI’s are so grossly overplayed that they cease to be characters at all and become concepts, like Dennis Rickman: ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_dennis_r.shtml )
Alternatively there are certain characters who are presented in the story as figures of contempt; the message is: “Don’t be like him! If you think you’re in any way becoming like him, then change!” This kind of character I call the “CAP” (Conformist Asexual Punchbag). CAP is a very gentle and inoffensive man. He is capable of enormous affection and kindness. He aids and assists those in need, shows respect for everyone around him, and is as a result usually single! He’s invariably materially poor and lowly; sometimes he's a bit eccentric. People often take advantage of him, sponging off him and using him as a stooge or the butt of jokes and pranks. Prime and typical CAP's are:
Mark Fowler ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_mark_f.shtml ),
Robby Jackson ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_robbie_j.shtml),
Gus Smith ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml ),
Minty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_minty_p.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml) ),
and, many years ago, Lofty Holloway ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_lofty_h.shtml ).
The sinister recurring plot runs thus: A CAP is in love with one of the female characters, but she’s not interested in him. Sometimes she just likes him as a friend. This same female however is either dating or smitten by a CMI; what follows is a tragic and very one-sided love-triangle with an inevitable conclusion: The female’s affections cannot be wrenched away from CMI and CAP gets his heart broken. A good example of these plot structures are Mark Fowler-Lisa-Phil Mitchell; Minty-Andy-Sam; Gus-Sonia-Jamie (although Jamie is not a pure CMI) and Lofty-Michelle-Den; there are many other examples. The message is loud and clear: If you want to be attractive, powerful and successful, be a CMI. Don’t be a CAP or you’ll be a forgotten and trampled-upon nobody.
It's mind-control propaganda that trying to brainwash men into having a particular lifestyle and personality. I know blokes who are engineering personas to match the CMI's in M.K.Enders!:eek::(
ROFL! It would have been good to have you in our Film & Media Studies class :D Love the analysis, so true!
M.K.Enders. Ahahahahaha that's great :D
hagbard_celine
28-10-2008, 05:23 PM
ROFL! It would have been good to have you in our Film & Media Studies class :D Love the analysis, so true!
M.K.Enders. Ahahahahaha that's great :D
Cheers, AA.:)
I ought to watch Eastenders more often seeing as I'm trying to expose it's mental conditioning agenda. But I just hate it so much:mad:. I like my food to stay down when I've eaten dinner!:D:rolleyes:
Good analysis HC what a few of us have been saying for years , they are so transparent in their programming .You should write a book on the subject .Would be interesting covering all the soaps and media in general :D
Apparently 'nasty Nick' will be returning for the Eastenders Christmas special.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00484/SNF1031W_280_484383a.jpg
amandaooo
30-10-2008, 02:15 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dwCg7Q1X5Hk
hagbard_celine
30-10-2008, 12:36 PM
Good analysis HC what a few of us have been saying for years , they are so transparent in their programming .You should write a book on the subject .Would be interesting covering all the soaps and media in general :D
I've started planning that. Thanks for the encouragement, 2013:)
hagbard_celine
30-10-2008, 12:38 PM
Apparently 'nasty Nick' will be returning for the Eastenders Christmas special.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00484/SNF1031W_280_484383a.jpg
Aha! Another CMI. I'll take bets on which CAP he'll get written in with on the standard love-triange plot.:rolleyes:
I'm offering:
10-1 on Gus
5-1 on Minty
100-1 that Lofty Holloway will come back with him
and 1000-1 that they bring Mark Fowler back from the dead!:D
hagbard_celine
30-10-2008, 12:40 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dwCg7Q1X5Hk
Heresy! CMI's aren't saupposed to make prats out of themselves!:mad::D Don't you realize how subversive this is! It might cause the Sheeple to question the benevolence of the Conformist Regime!
hagbard_celine
01-11-2008, 11:25 AM
OK: New contender!
Robby Jackson!
Prices start at 17-2
Tell you what. I'll take an each-way bet on him and you win if three other plots energe with the other contanders within three months.
Race on!
:D;)
hagbard_celine
15-01-2009, 07:00 PM
The CMI-vs-CAP love triangle plot once again rears its ugly head!:mad::rolleyes::eek::(
They keep using it over and over again! The CMI side is once again Phil meat-head Mitchell, Michelle is the female and the CAP character is Vinnie, played by the brilliant comedian Bobby Davro:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_vinnie_m.shtml
In last nights episode Vinnie told Michelle that he knew she fancied Phil. Of course she does!
I’ve been studying this sinister trend in the storyline for several years now and it keeps coming back! Sometimes it runs concurrently in file with more then one character group. First I should explain my terminology: “CMI’s” (Conformist Male Ideals). The CMI is almost always one of the “Alpha Males”, a powerful and masterful character. He is materially rich and usually runs his own business. He is manipulative, ruthless and unfeeling. He is very attractive to women, even if he is not conventionally handsome, but cares little for them. He abuses them and cheats on them and the viewer knows he can do so with impunity because his women will always come running back. Female viewers are often very attracted to him and send his actor lots of fan mail. Famous examples of CMI’s are:
Den Watts ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_den_w.shtml ),
Phil Mitchell ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_phil_m.shtml),
Steve Owen ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_steve_o.shtml ) and
Andy Hunter. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_andy_h.shtml )
Some CMI’s are so grossly overplayed that they cease to be characters at all and become concepts, like Dennis Rickman: ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_dennis_r.shtml )
Alternatively there are certain characters who are presented in the story as figures of contempt; the message is: “Don’t be like him! If you think you’re in any way becoming like him, then change!” This kind of character I call the “CAP” (Conformist Asexual Punchbag). CAP is a very gentle and inoffensive man. He is capable of enormous affection and kindness. He aids and assists those in need, shows respect for everyone around him, and is as a result usually single! He’s invariably materially poor and lowly; sometimes he's a bit eccentric. People often take advantage of him, sponging off him and using him as a stooge or the butt of jokes and pranks. Prime and typical CAP's are:
Mark Fowler ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_mark_f.shtml ),
Robby Jackson ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_robbie_j.shtml),
Gus Smith ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml ),
Minty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_minty_p.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_gus_s.shtml) ),
and, many years ago, Lofty Holloway ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/characters_cast/characters/character_lofty_h.shtml ).
The sinister recurring plot runs thus: A CAP is in love with one of the female characters, but she’s not interested in him. Sometimes she just likes him as a friend. This same female however is either dating or smitten by a CMI; what follows is a tragic and very one-sided love-triangle with an inevitable conclusion: The female’s affections cannot be wrenched away from CMI and CAP gets his heart broken. A good example of these plot structures are Mark Fowler-Lisa-Phil Mitchell; Minty-Andy-Sam; Gus-Sonia-Jamie (although Jamie is not a pure CMI) and Lofty-Michelle-Den; there are many other examples. The message is loud and clear: If you want to be attractive, powerful and successful, be a CMI. Don’t be a CAP or you’ll be a forgotten and trampled-upon nobody.
It's mind-control propaganda that trying to brainwash men into having a particular lifestyle and personality. I know blokes who are engineering personas to match the CMI's in M.K.Enders!:eek::(
Fook me!:eek: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/soaps/article2128297.ece
I've told you, I'm not psychic... but you don't have to be!
Look at this they're doing it again!:eek::mad::rolleyes:
She soon starts dating Minty (Cliff Parisi) but it quickly becomes clear Manda still carries a torch for Phil (Steve McFadden)...
“It’s not long before she bumps into familiar faces, including Phil, who she dated at school, and Minty. But are they pleased to see her?”...
Josie’s Manda will be the latest love interest for Phil, who had been dating...
The point being that Phil will be dating her because he's snatched her away from Minty!
Have been known to watch the odd episode of Eastenders now and then and the thing that strikes me the most is the appalling way people treat each other in it, especially in families amongst children and parents. The lack of respect on both sides is disgusting and IMO this is a large part of the reason why kids at the moment are so out of control because they think it is normal behaviour and the lack of respect is perpetuated. It's not just Eastenders but it's a major offender. Food obviously is another factor among others.
hagbard_celine
28-01-2009, 12:56 PM
Have been known to watch the odd episode of Eastenders now and then and the thing that strikes me the most is the appalling way people treat each other in it, especially in families amongst children and parents. The lack of respect on both sides is disgusting and IMO this is a large part of the reason why kids at the moment are so out of control because they think it is normal behaviour and the lack of respect is perpetuated. It's not just Eastenders but it's a major offender. Food obviously is another factor among others.
Young people tend not to eat or drink as well as adults and eat lots of processed food and artificial drinks. When you think about what effect all that toxic shit the kids are ingesting it's no wonder they're becoming delinquents!:eek:
And you're correct about Eastenders. What's more it's deliberate, not accidental.
debs67gb
28-01-2009, 01:58 PM
I look at it this way Eastenders is a very bloody badly made fabrication of real life in london :)
januspolanski
28-01-2009, 06:22 PM
I hate soaps and have never watched them EVER!
Most of all though I hate the word "Corrie". Its as if this pathetic excuse for a programme is a friend worthy of a nickname, A nickname for a soap FFS. When I hear people saying corrie this and corrie that I want to go up to them point blank and scream in their ears " You FOOL". There are some women I know that watch every soap they can like they re getting a fix. I think they might actually die if they didnt watch their superlame soaps. I think soaps are the reason a lot of women are pure drama queens, they are trying to emulate the scenarios they ve seen on tv with their boyfriend. They pretend that they re all upset by their boyfriend cheating on them but really they re thinking "sweet my life is starting to resemble wednesday nights episode of Corrie" now we can have a big dramtic argument like thursday nights episode of Corrie.
Anyone else feel like this about soaps?
hagbard_celine
30-01-2009, 07:05 PM
I hate soaps and have never watched them EVER!
Most of all though I hate the word "Corrie". Its as if this pathetic excuse for a programme is a friend worthy of a nickname, A nickname for a soap FFS. When I hear people saying corrie this and corrie that I want to go up to them point blank and scream in their ears " You FOOL". There are some women I know that watch every soap they can like they re getting a fix. I think they might actually die if they didnt watch their superlame soaps. I think soaps are the reason a lot of women are pure drama queens, they are trying to emulate the scenarios they ve seen on tv with their boyfriend. They pretend that they re all upset by their boyfriend cheating on them but really they re thinking "sweet my life is starting to resemble wednesday nights episode of Corrie" now we can have a big dramtic argument like thursday nights episode of Corrie.
Anyone else feel like this about soaps?
Yes. They can be emotionally addictive. And it's not just women being encouraged to be drama queens; soaps attack all of us in different ways. Being a man I'm particulaly sensitive to the Conformist mind-buggering we blokes are subjected to.
This coming plot structure is exactly in line with what i predicited! Brace yourselves, Nice Guys!:rolleyes::mad: You're in for another emotional mind-bombing!
number_6
30-01-2009, 07:15 PM
Sorry, but I'm "coming out" in this public forum. I like Coronation Street. There, I've done it!
moina
30-01-2009, 07:18 PM
Eastenders is S**T!
I used to enjoy wating it when I was younger but it has recently become so boring.
hagbard_celine
30-01-2009, 07:33 PM
Sorry, but I'm "coming out" in this public forum. I like Coronation Street. There, I've done it!
You Conformanazi!:eek:;):D:D
Actually that's not fair; you said Coronation Street. Please reassure me that I haven't underestimated you! Tell me that you don't like TavistockEnders! :eek:
number_6
30-01-2009, 07:42 PM
You Conformanazi!:eek:;):D:D
Actually that's not fair; you said Coronation Street. Please reassure me that I haven't underestimated you! Tell me that you don't like TavistockEnders! :eek:
No, don't worry, I cannot watch Eastenders. I do actually admire the writing in Coronation Street, however the writing in Eastenders is terrible.
endlessvista
31-01-2009, 03:58 AM
Soaps are soul destroying.
hagbard_celine
01-02-2009, 07:43 PM
Soaps are soul destroying.
Another great one-liner:cool:.
All the best statements are short and simple!:)
i could never see the appeal in soaps!
well accept that sean..... guy whos not in eastenders anymore..... why? i dunno
clozaril
22-02-2009, 02:06 PM
saw a bit of eastenders t'other night and dot was praying to god saying stuff like i know your'e probably to busy god but i'd like to ask you if ...............
it just seemed like a desperate act by dot praying to a god that wasn't there.
is this the point, to send the message to the masses that we are on our own here with no divinity, no higher intelligence. a dead, mechanical universe ?
hagbard_celine
25-02-2009, 01:37 AM
saw a bit of eastenders t'other night and dot was praying to god saying stuff like i know your'e probably to busy god but i'd like to ask you if ...............
it just seemed like a desperate act by dot praying to a god that wasn't there.
is this the point, to send the message to the masses that we are on our own here with no divinity, no higher intelligence. a dead, mechanical universe ?
That message is definitely there in TavistockEnders, in fact it's screamed down the ear of the viewer in almost every scene!:eek: But I've never seen Dot used in this way. She's one of the early characters from the 80's and is one of the few I like. Stil, she ocasionally acts out-of-character. I remember the episode where she had a crisis of faith; is she about to have another?
I'm planning on watching during March to pick up the Phil Mitchell-Minty CMI-over-CAP-domination plot. Sp, any donations of sick-bags would be greatly appreciated!:rolleyes::(