Is John Harris a Fake?

[baron von lotsov]

He tells us it is all an illusion. Does that remind you of someone? He says the laws have no power and this implies one can do what they want. Reading a poster for one of his gigs I got the distinct impression he was not interested in real politics but was doing a bit of an Icke, and by that I mean rather than just explain the system he was interested in creating some form of social engineering. This is exactly what the system does and it can clearly be seem with climate change activists. Rather than focusing on the truth, i.e. in the case of climate activists knowing something about atmospheric physics they would rather create a popular movement based on a false belief. John Harris is doing the same but with law instead. The way to do this is to pick a complex subject that few understand and then to simply lie ones teeth off about it. Anyone who enquires properly and finds errors/lies gets called a denialist. I have had this treatment with the freeman movement and so I view it as highly suspect. What do you guys make of it?

[breezinreezin]

He tells us it is all an illusion. Does that remind you of someone? He says the laws have no power and this implies one can do what they want. Reading a poster for one of his gigs I got the distinct impression he was not interested in real politics but was doing a bit of an Icke, and by that I mean rather than just explain the system he was interested in creating some form of social engineering. This is exactly what the system does and it can clearly be seem with climate change activists. Rather than focusing on the truth, i.e. in the case of climate activists knowing something about atmospheric physics they would rather create a popular movement based on a false belief. John Harris is doing the same but with law instead. The way to do this is to pick a complex subject that few understand and then to simply lie ones teeth off about it. Anyone who enquires properly and finds errors/lies gets called a denialist. I have had this treatment with the freeman movement and so I view it as highly suspect. What do you guys make of it?

Perhaps this would be better placed in the Freeman section where it will be more likely to catch the attention of those who've studied Freeman philosophy. At least that way you can point by point debate each actual lie you contend he tells with those who something about the movement.

[baron von lotsov]

Perhaps this would be better placed in the Freeman section where it will be more likely to catch the attention of those who've studied Freeman philosophy. At least that way you can point by point debate each actual lie you contend he tells with those who something about the movement.

I want the general opinion of people on here, not just the people who push this stuff. I have already debated with the proponents of freeman stuff and this is partly what I base my claim on. They refused to debate in a rational way and it ended up as a combination of them trying to brainwash me and the typical kind of reaction that you might expect from the green movement if you ever tried to have a rational debate. So what do people make of it who do not have a vested interest?

[platform7]

As I have not met him in the flesh I could'nt judge him but the question is who am I to judge anyway? If you choose to think he may be a fake and the freeman movement is also fake then then that is your choice.
And on that point I wont offer judgement :)

I have sent you a pm on another topic :cool:

[les_paul_robot]

Well, I've had this discussion with a 'mainstreamer' friend.
Until the BBC/TVLA try and take him to court, we can't really know if he's right.

[freedom1st]

If someone can show me the actual piece of legislation that states that statute law must be by consent then I will have more faith in the freeman movement.

[Ian2day]

He tells us it is all an illusion. Does that remind you of someone? He says the laws have no power and this implies one can do what they want. Reading a poster for one of his gigs I got the distinct impression he was not interested in real politics but was doing a bit of an Icke, and by that I mean rather than just explain the system he was interested in creating some form of social engineering. This is exactly what the system does and it can clearly be seem with climate change activists. Rather than focusing on the truth, i.e. in the case of climate activists knowing something about atmospheric physics they would rather create a popular movement based on a false belief. John Harris is doing the same but with law instead. The way to do this is to pick a complex subject that few understand and then to simply lie ones teeth off about it. Anyone who enquires properly and finds errors/lies gets called a denialist. I have had this treatment with the freeman movement and so I view it as highly suspect. What do you guys make of it?

Did you read my thread in the Freeman section. Enquiring if the Freeman-on-the-land, were supporters of a Monarch divine right bloodline birthright head of state. Makes for something to think about.

[merlincove]

If someone can show me the actual piece of legislation that states that statute law must be by consent then I will have more faith in the freeman movement.

simply take a look at Blacks law dictionary and browse through some of the relevant inclussions.

Take a look at:

Statute.

Law.

Court.

Dock.

Judge.

Understand.

Juristiction.

Person.

CONsent.

Take a loojk at the definitions, don't take John's word for it - and indeed John woukld rather you go and search for the answers for yourself and deduce how they affect you rather than listening to him and believing everything that he says.

ALL the answers are there, John simply helps us to put the answers together and to form a picture of the world of control that has been built around us to enslave us to their game.

[merlincove]

He tells us it is all an illusion. Does that remind you of someone? He says the laws have no power and this implies one can do what they want. Reading a poster for one of his gigs I got the distinct impression he was not interested in real politics but was doing a bit of an Icke, and by that I mean rather than just explain the system he was interested in creating some form of social engineering. This is exactly what the system does and it can clearly be seem with climate change activists. Rather than focusing on the truth, i.e. in the case of climate activists knowing something about atmospheric physics they would rather create a popular movement based on a false belief. John Harris is doing the same but with law instead. The way to do this is to pick a complex subject that few understand and then to simply lie ones teeth off about it. Anyone who enquires properly and finds errors/lies gets called a denialist. I have had this treatment with the freeman movement and so I view it as highly suspect. What do you guys make of it?

Well, Baron, it is good that you are seeking clarification on aspects that are opened to you, in doing so it aids growth and comprehension.

i have met John a couple of times and have spoken to him and i fully believe him to be a genuine guy.

Yes, the subject does, from first glance seem complex, but when you begin to unravel it you see that it is actually very, very simple. It is a simple core aspect that is wrapped in a language we do not fully comprehend. Begin to understand the language and you will come to a place of over-standing it, you will come to a place where you stand over it rather than allowing it to stand over you. It is like growing up, suddenly you are able to be a grown up rather than a child. This is mirrored perfectly in freeman understanding where the law says we are children of the state, and as long as we accept that, that we fall under the governments control (the gvt and the sovereign are therefore our guardians) we will remain slaves. The moment we take of the chains of persecution, which are the statutes the state use to control us, we become adults and free men and women, we stop being children.

Yes, you need a working comprehension of freeman concepts to be able to apply them to life.

There is a way to attend to the freemen concepts, and when this undertaking is done correctly one is fully able to become free.

And i see the freeman way of life as being the beginning of the peaceful revolution that allows all men and women in this world to be free of big brother control.

i have seen it work, i have also seen it fail. when it fails it fails through a lack of due care and overt control by the beast freemen are fighting.

There is a due process and when one follows that process and remains lawful, bar the overt and unlawful attention of court judges the freeman concepts prevail, and will prevail.

The beast is of course terrified of its subjects attending to their own freedom and it is fighting with tooth and claw, of course it is, it will always do this.

John Harris is offering us a journey toward freedom, he is not saying nor declaring that he will walk it for us or on our behalf, he is simply giving us the tools with which we can break the bonds and chains of oppression to be free.

He is not another David Icke, speak to him and it is clear that he thinks many of David's concepts are BS, but yes they do work in very similar arena's in that they are offering different POV's to the reality in which we live.

Take a look at David's books, watch his video's and you will see where he is coming from.

Same with John Harris, take a look at his web site, watch his videos and read his blog, he offers tangible proof to all that he says. He has done a great deal of research and it is all verifiable.

It is good that you are asking questions, baron, but I wonder if you are asking those questions for the right reasons. Study the concepts yourself and explore the agreements you make that have bound you into the world of commerce and statute. Then apply your studies to breaking those bonds and ties and you will see the freeman concepts are more than conceptualisms, they are very real alternatives to the control you arte in right now.

All the answers are there, waiting for you to find them. Don’t expect John to tell you how to or what to, because you need to do the research yourself and apply what you have learned to your life, yourself. No freeman is going to tell you all the answers, because if all the answers are there then you will not learn from the journey, you’ll be simply another parrot echoing what has been told to you rather than a free man applying your own knowledge and overstanding to your life.

Good luck with that journey.

[godspeed]

No

a good man

helps loads with the law on his site

spoke on phone a few times and met him at stoke conference last year

id rather have a public defender by my side than any lawyer........;)

[baron von lotsov]

Did you read my thread in the Freeman section. Enquiring if the Freeman-on-the-land, were supporters of a Monarch divine right bloodline birthright head of state. Makes for something to think about.

To me it makes fundamental errors on points of law. It was clear from a discussion or two I had with freemen proponents that it was not based on fact and they did not even have a basic understanding of law and how our legal system operates. I suppose a parliamentary democracy is something very foreign to them.

John Harris seems to think that it is all about having a laugh. Well I don't find it very funny when someone spreads disinformation that could land people in a lot of trouble and at the very least a huge legal bill. Oh and in case anyone was wondering the system of law known as maritime law is only to do with matters relating to the sea, hence the name. I’m from a family of keen sailors and I’m familiar with it. For example, say if you get shipwrecked the person who saves you can claim salvage rights and that sort of thing. It is not relevant to people who are not on the high seas. People have used it to scam people into believing a whole load of rubbish.

[baron von lotsov]

simply take a look at Blacks law dictionary and browse through some of the relevant inclussions.

Take a look at:

Statute.

Law.

Court.

Dock.

Judge.

Understand.

Juristiction.

Person.

CONsent.

Take a loojk at the definitions, don't take John's word for it - and indeed John woukld rather you go and search for the answers for yourself and deduce how they affect you rather than listening to him and believing everything that he says.

ALL the answers are there, John simply helps us to put the answers together and to form a picture of the world of control that has been built around us to enslave us to their game.

Yes I have already made us of that book. It's a useful summary of popular law and Stones is another. So what? There is nothing out of the ordinary there.

[merlincove]

Yes I have already made us of that book. It's a useful summary of popular law and Stones is another. So what? There is nothing out of the ordinary there.

so what?

lol

If you want to learn french, then buy a french phrase book and dictionary.

If you want to learn legalees then buy THE legal bible that they use to control you. When you learn their language you can better defend yourself, such was a reply to the question posed earlier from freedom1st :D

[gods sun]

na this guy is ok better than icke in my opinion

[baron von lotsov]

so what?

lol

If you want to learn french, then buy a french phrase book and dictionary.

If you want to learn legalees then buy THE legal bible that they use to control you. When you learn their language you can better defend yourself, such was a reply to the question posed earlier from freedom1st :D

No, that is not good enough. What I suggest you do is start off with basic books on law and then work your way up. First of all you will have to decide what you want to study. Law is divided in to civil law and criminal law and so if you are a criminal you might want to learn criminal law, whereas if you are a businessman you would be better off learning civil law. That’s the kind of thing that you need to know if someone tries to rip you off. For the really advanced lawyers who want to take on the government I suggest familiarising yourself with the judicial review process, but let me warn you now, it is the rocket science end of law.

[skiver]

I quite like John Harris too, but I tend to judge people according to their personability and humanity.

Got to say though, that John definitely got the exposure he has now by hitching a lift on David Icke's (dare I say it) tail.

I respect them both, as people. :cool:

[merlincove]

it is a mad fuck up, baron, you are right, but it is made that way for a reason. Because they don't want us peering over the garden gate, so they put a big sign on that gate that says 'Big Dog Lives Here,' and the elecricute the fense and barb wire it to keep us away from it.

And they do all these things for one reason, and one reason alone. To keep us out, because they are scarred shitless that we will learn their secret.

And their secret is, that we are exactly what morpheus said we were in the Matrix, we are batteries powering their system and we have the ability to step outside of it, and if we choose not to, then by their own bizarre and screwed up logic we have consented to it.

And this is where John comes in, he tells us about the game and the bonds that enslave us, and to get back to your OP, he shows us that we need not be a slave to it, that it is an illussion, and he allows us, through decimation of their processm, to see how much of a game it is, how much of an illussion it is.

When you remove the barbed wire and switch of the leccy, when you see that their big dog is a carboard cut out, you see the illussion and you become free from it :D

That is Johns message, and that is why John is one of the good guys :D

[baron von lotsov]

I quite like John Harris too, but I tend to judge people according to their personability and humanity.

Got to say though, that John definitely got the exposure he has now by hitching a lift on David Icke's (dare I say it) tail.

I respect them both, as people. :cool:

You should check that you are being told the truth and if you find you are not then you should find out the motivation behind their lies. Personality is the stock and trade of the double-glazing salesman. They have the personality but it's hardly impartial advice. Remember, when you are in a court personality has little to do with it except when you are dealing with a jury. The law is a system of reason and reason is what the fascist system we have takes great care in not educating people in. Why do you think schools have so many art lessons and soft subjects based on emotion? They don’t take too kindly to people fighting back.

[Ian2day]

To me it makes fundamental errors on points of law. It was clear from a discussion or two I had with freemen proponents that it was not based on fact and they did not even have a basic understanding of law and how our legal system operates. I suppose a parliamentary democracy is something very foreign to them.

John Harris seems to think that it is all about having a laugh. Well I don't find it very funny when someone spreads disinformation that could land people in a lot of trouble and at the very least a huge legal bill. Oh and in case anyone was wondering the system of law known as maritime law is only to do with matters relating to the sea, hence the name. I’m from a family of keen sailors and I’m familiar with it. For example, say if you get shipwrecked the person who saves you can claim salvage rights and that sort of thing. It is not relevant to people who are not on the high seas. People have used it to scam people into believing a whole load of rubbish.

I do recall seeing a passenger list not defendants list posted outside of a court over 20 years ago. Thats what first of all, got my attention with the freeman-on-the-land status. I didn't look into it as I was a teenager then life got in the way.

[baron von lotsov]

it is a mad fuck up, baron, you are right, but it is made that way for a reason. Because they don't want us peering over the garden gate, so they put a big sign on that gate that says 'Big Dog Lives Here,' and the elecricute the fense and barb wire it to keep us away from it.

And they do all these things for one reason, and one reason alone. To keep us out, because they are scarred shitless that we will learn their secret.

And their secret is, that we are exactly what morpheus said we were in the Matrix, we are batteries powering their system and we have the ability to step outside of it, and if we choose not to, then by their own bizarre and screwed up logic we have consented to it.

And this is where John comes in, he tells us about the game and the bonds that enslave us, and to get back to your OP, he shows us that we need not be a slave to it, that it is an illussion, and he allows us, through decimation of their processm, to see how much of a game it is, how much of an illussion it is.

When you remove the barbed wire and switch of the leccy, when you see that their big dog is a carboard cut out, you see the illussion and you become free from it :D

That is Johns message, and that is why John is one of the good guys :D

Ah but you have a half-truth there and half-truths are the stock and trade of a liar. Yes the system doesn’t want people to fight back so what better way than to give them bogus advice and then when it fails the net effect is that they will conclude the system is either invincible or just unfair.

You can learn law but it will take you several years to get to the point where you can usefully apply it. A degree in law takes three years of fulltime study. You can perhaps learn useful titbit of law but what you need to know are the legal principles. This is where matters get complex, but there is nothing stopping you if you have the time to dedicate to it. I really can't see how John Harris is any help at all and I personally think he could be a greater hindrance.

[jimmi]

John Harris is sound, I've met him,talked at length with him and learned a lot of really useful truth.

As a result of his 'teaching' along with Rob Menard, the anti terrorist, Danny and Charlie, and others too numerous to mention. WHEN THE TWO COPPERS CAME TO ARREST ME FOR MINOR MOTORING 'OFFENCES', THEY COULD NOT , BECAUSE i NOW KNOW HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!!

Baron, you are showing yourself up as being as clueless as the average solicitors typist when it comes to knowledge of LAW.

[baron von lotsov]

I do recall seeing a passenger list not defendants list posted outside of a court over 20 years ago. Thats what first of all, got my attention with the freeman-on-the-land status. I didn't look into it as I was a teenager then life got in the way.

Law is full of quirky things that are from a long time ago in history. You will see a lot of old crimes are like double descriptions, e.g. breaking and entering and that sort of thing. This was apparently because in the old days many could not read and write so they sort of described the offence twice. It's simply tradition though and because law is a system it has to be preserved as such, so you do get a lot of antiquity associated with it. You can tell how complex a legal book is usually by the amount of Latin in it. The one I had on judicial review was about 50% Latin. I concluded I really needed to learn Latin first.

[baron von lotsov]

John Harris is sound, I've met him,talked at length with him and learned a lot of really useful truth.

As a result of his 'teaching' along with Rob Menard, the anti terrorist, Danny and Charlie, and others too numerous to mention. WHEN THE TWO COPPERS CAME TO ARREST ME FOR MINOR MOTORING 'OFFENCES', THEY COULD NOT , BECAUSE i NOW KNOW HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!!

Baron, you are showing yourself up as being as clueless as the average solicitors typist when it comes to knowledge of LAW.

Rob Menard is a comedian. You must be joking if you think he knows anything about law.

[jimmi]

Baron , I wonder if you will 'get' this because those those with a little knowledge of the subjects , latin, and law, will.

Bollocks!

[baron von lotsov]

Baron , I wonder if you will 'get' this because those those with a little knowledge of the subjects , latin, and law, will.

Bollocks!

You are pushing something that you have not properly checked out, and now because of that you can't defend your position. My advice is always check something out before repeating it to others. Also mind your language. Judges don’t like you saying that to them!

[jimmi]

Now Baron Grasshopper , when you can explain adequately why my last post was extremely witty and hilarious you will absolve yourself of the shame you have brought into your being.

[decim]

Bollox

[jay002]

John Harris is not "pushing" anything he is sharing information which he wants to be re- researched by whoever is interested. If people wish to continue to be be Re-Presented as minors that is their choice. Whats the problem?

[jimmi]

Baron, read my first post on this thread again and pay attention to the capital letters, that tells you everything you need to know.

I am just an ordinary joe, after spending hours and hours researching , digesting, discussing with friends, I had sufficient knowledge to.....

...BE THE OWNER OF AN UNREGISTERED CAR THAT HAD NO TAX OR MOT OR INSURANCE AND WHEN THE POLICE CAME TO MY DOOR , SENT THERE UNLAWFULLY BY THE DVLA, TO ARREST ME AND UNLAWFULLY KIIDNAP ME, BECAUSE I NOW KNOW WHAT 'THE GAME' IS! AND MOST IMPORTANTLY.....I NOW KNOW HOW TO PLAY IT!


I EXPLAINED TO THE OLDER EXPERIENCED, CLUED UP, OFFICER THAT I DID NOT WANT TO PLAY THE GAME, POLITELY, IN THE WAY THAT HE NEEDED TO HEAR IT, AND THEY WALKED AWAY!

IN HONOUR

I am not ashamed to admit that I was left shaking in my boots:D but I was ecstatic , and still am.

I knew that the worst that could happen to me if I was wrong was that I would be two hundred or so quid out of pocket, but after biting the bullet, I'm so much freer than you Baron, come outside and join us why don't you, the weather is wonderful

[jimmi]

Okay Decim, I stand corrected:o




but nobody likes a smartarse


:D

[baron von lotsov]

Now Baron Grasshopper , when you can explain adequately why my last post was extremely witty and hilarious you will absolve yourself of the shame you have brought into your being.

What on earth are you on about? Is this some feeble attempt at brainwashing me?

[thirdwave]

I think all this freeman stuff is interesting and no doubt has much truth in it...

But it seems half the time you have to make a full time job out of competing and playing this game... Also has the "NWO agenda" not eliminated much of these things anyway, for a start anyone can now be detained if they simply think you are a terror risk... and Im sure there is allot more small print as well..

And I also cant see how the law will always honor the law anyway... they have the power and If they wana grab a hold of you I cant see why they would have the decency to sit back and say "oh...we're not aloud"...

This John Harris guy seems very into what he does and explains it all well, although his views on the royal family baffles me, especially as he is so clued up about our Law, you would have thought he would also be clued up about the History of that family who claim to be royalty.

[micklemus]

Very true

Also, I see numerous references to using Blacks Law Dictionary to understand legal terms. It's a very good point of reference....... for a US Attorney. Something of a chocolate teacup here in Blighty.

:)

[merlincove]

This John Harris guy seems very into what he does and explains it all well, although his views on the royal family baffles me, especially as he is so clued up about our Law, you would have thought he would also be clued up about the History of that family who claim to be royalty.

John is very clued up about the history of the royal family, and as i have said elsewhere he has stated many times that he believes the queen to hold a very important position.

Without her, freeman grounds to stand under common law would be difficult, as without her maj, common law may very well be ushered under the carpet (something that is being done as we speak) and statute law will be the only requisite to law in this land.

The queen, for all her sins, sits on the throne of England and is keeping the wolves of the EU at the door, when she falls and sovereignty is lost (both in reality and in commerce) then the UK will be swamped by EU law, this is why john supports the right of the royal family, even though he has said that the current royals are the true royals of this land.

[thirdwave]

John is very clued up about the history of the royal family, and as i have said elsewhere he has stated many times that he believes the queen to hold a very important position.

Without her, freeman grounds to stand under common law would be difficult, as without her maj, common law may very well be ushered under the carpet (something that is being done as we speak) and statute law will be the only requisite to law in this land.

I see what you are saying, But what efforts have the royals gone through to educate people of this "common law"?. What efforts have they gone through to prevent the NWO for gaining momentum in the UK? (which it has), they have pushed people to get behind the fraud of Global warming... supported illegal wars and more... this is not even going into the very concept of a self appointed royal family existing in the first place is bogus.


The queen, for all her sins, sits on the throne of England and is keeping the wolves of the EU at the door, when she falls and sovereignty is lost (both in reality and in commerce) then the UK will be swamped by EU law, this is why john supports the right of the royal family, even though he has said that the current royals are the true royals of this land.
The Royal family will be fine regardless... they are not standing in the way of any agenda and will step aside when it suits them and the over all agenda... It sounds like you are implying the Royals are oblivious to or oppose the whole agenda?, I personally think the Royals know full well what is going on and any support they appear to have to this countries well being is all in support of the bigger agenda.

To say that there being here is helping us to me is like saying that prison guard that locks you up is helping you out as if you escaped the other prison guard would shoot you.

Lets not forget the royals where over thrown and removed in a civil war, only to be placed right back.

[john white]

He tells us it is all an illusion. Does that remind you of someone? He says the laws have no power and this implies one can do what they want. Reading a poster for one of his gigs I got the distinct impression he was not interested in real politics but was doing a bit of an Icke, and by that I mean rather than just explain the system he was interested in creating some form of social engineering. This is exactly what the system does and it can clearly be seem with climate change activists. Rather than focusing on the truth, i.e. in the case of climate activists knowing something about atmospheric physics they would rather create a popular movement based on a false belief. John Harris is doing the same but with law instead. The way to do this is to pick a complex subject that few understand and then to simply lie ones teeth off about it. Anyone who enquires properly and finds errors/lies gets called a denialist. I have had this treatment with the freeman movement and so I view it as highly suspect. What do you guys make of it?

Ah I should have known this was a Baron thread

Is John Harris a fake... what?

He's just himself with his understanding, hes not a guru or a leader, hes a bloke doing his best, and that's good enough for me. He's probably wrong about some stuff. Guess what, we are adults and can think for ourselves

And if you want to see concepts in action see here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91537

Whatever you might like to think about me when we post on the internet, you and I met, and you know the human behind this screen

As that human, Im saying to you that you really might like what I'm doing