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decim
01-11-2009, 08:24 PM
Second chance for Large Hadron Collider to deliver universe's secrets

One year after £30m meltdown, 'God Machine' is ready to run again in Switzerland

Robin McKie, Geneva
The Observer, Sunday 1 November 2009

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The view from the central axis of the Large Hadron Collider. Photograph: CERN

At first glance, the piece of metal in Steve Myers's hands could be taken for a harmonica or a pen. Only on closer inspection can you make out its true nature. Myers, director of accelerators at the Cern particle physics laboratory outside Geneva, is clutching a section of copper piping from which a flat electrical cable is protruding.

It looks unremarkable. Yet a piece of cable like this one was responsible last year for the world's most expensive short-circuit. More than £30m-worth of damage was done to the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the most advanced particle accelerator ever built, a few days after its ceremonial opening. It has taken Myers – and hundreds of other Cern scientists – more than a year to pinpoint the guilty piece of cable and repair the wreckage. "It was a very small piece, but it did immense damage," he said. It remains to be seen whether Myers can fix Cern's tattered technological reputation in the process – when his team restart their great machine in a few weeks. "I am not a nervous person," said the 63-year-old Belfast-born engineer. "And that is probably just as well."

The LHC had been inaugurated at 9.30am on 10 September 2008 to a barrage of global media attention. This was the God Machine that would unravel the secrets of the universe, it was claimed. Beams of protons, one of the key constituents of the atom's nucleus, were successfully fired round the machine's subterranean 18-mile circular tunnel under the Jura mountains outside Geneva.

Over the following weeks, it was predicted, scientists would recreate conditions that existed a trillionth of a second after the universe's birth and start making sensational discoveries as they smashed beams of protons into each other.

Discoveries would include the God Particle, a tiny entity also called the Higgs Boson, which is believed to give objects – including people – their mass. In addition, dark matter, a mysterious, invisible form of matter that permeates the universe, would be uncovered, along with a host of other revolutionary discoveries.

"It was all looking so good," said Myers. Then, at 11.45am on 19 September, things went spectacularly wrong. Faulty soldering in a small section of cable carrying power to the machine's huge magnets caused sparks to arc across its wiring and send temperatures soaring inside a sector of the LHC tunnel.

A hole was punched in the protective pipe that surrounds the cable and released helium, cooled to minus 271C, into a section of the collider tunnel. Pressure valves failed to vent the gas and a shock wave ran though the tunnel.

"The LHC uses as much energy as an aircraft carrier at full speed," said Myers. "When you release that energy suddenly, you do a lot of damage."

Firemen sent into the blackened, stricken collider found that dozens of the massive magnets that control its proton beams had been battered out of position. Soot and metal powder, vaporised by the explosion, coated much of the delicate machinery. "It took us a long time to find out just how serious the accident was," said Myers.

A 400-metre chunk of the £2.5bn device had been wrecked, it was discovered. Worse, when scientists traced the cause to a tiny piece of soldering, they realised that they would have to redesign major parts of the collider's entire safety systems to prevent a repeat event. That has taken more than a year to achieve.

Now Cern scientists have begun firing protons round one small section of the collider as they prepare for its re-opening. Over the next few weeks, more and more bunches of protons will be put into the machine until, by Christmas, beams will be in full flight and can be collided.

The LHC will then start producing results – 13 years after work on its construction began.

"There was so much expectation that we were about to make great discoveries last year and then the accident occurred," said Cern researcher Alison Lister. "Morale was very low when we found out just how bad it was. However, we should now be getting results by Christmas, and you couldn't get a better present than that."

When fully operational, the LHC will soak up 10 times more power than any other particle accelerator on Earth, consuming 120 megawatts of electricity – enough for an entire Swiss canton – to accelerate bunches of protons, kept in two beams, each less than a hair's breadth in diameter, to speeds that will come "within a gnat's whisker of the speed of light", according to Myers.

One beam will circulate clockwise, the other anti-clockwise. Then, at four points along the collider's tunnel, the beams will cross.

Bunches of protons – each containing 100bn particles – will slam into other oncoming bunches, triggering collisions that will fling barrages of sub-atomic detritus in all directions.

These explosive interactions will form the core of the great collider's operations and will generate new types of particle, including the Higgs, that will pop fleetingly into existence before disintegrating into a trail of other sub-atomic entities. New physics will be uncovered with Nobel prizes following in their wake.

And that is not all, say sceptics. They argue that miniature black holes will be created and one of these could eventually grow to swallow up the Earth. The LHC would then not only be the world's biggest experiment – but its last. This fear has led protesters to make legal attempts to close down the LHC, one even making it to the European Court of Human Rights. All have failed, though one case – in Germany – has still to be resolved.

Even stranger is the claim by another group of physicists who say the production of Higgs bosons may be so abhorrent to nature that their creation would ripple backwards through time to stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveller trying to halt his own birth.

"All Higgs machines shall have bad luck," said Dr Holger Bech Neilson of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen. Thus the cable meltdown that afflicted the LHC was an inevitable effect of the laws of time, a notion that leaves most Cern scientists scratching their heads in bafflement.

In fact, the real problem facing the LHC is simple. It is a vast device the size of London's Circle Line but is engineered to a billionth of a metre accuracy. Ensuring that no flaws arise at scales and dimensions like these pushes engineering to its absolute limits.

Cern almost succeeded last year. Now it is convinced that it has got it right this time. "All I can say is that the LHC is a much safer, much better understood machine than it was a year ago," said Myers.

Most physicists believe he is right. "If it works, we will have built the most complex machine in history," said one. "If not, we will have assembled the world's most expensive piece of modern art."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/01/cern-large-hadron-collider

rhydra
01-11-2009, 08:33 PM
Seems to me like this fella's idea for a time machine...

http://www.physorg.com/news63371210.html

“Einstein showed that mass and energy are the same thing,” said Mallett, who published his first research on time travel in 2000 in Physics Letters. “The time machine we’ve designed uses light in the form of circulating lasers to warp or loop time instead of using massive objects.”

To determine if time loops exist, Mallett is designing a desktop-sized device that will test his time-warping theory. By arranging mirrors, Mallett can make a circulating light beam which should warp surrounding space. Because some subatomic particles have extremely short lifetimes, Mallett hopes that he will observe these particles to exist for a longer time than expected when placed in the vicinity of the circulating light beam. A longer lifetime means that the particles must have flowed through a time loop into the future.

“Say you have a cup of coffee and a spoon,” Mallett explained to PhysOrg.com. “The coffee is empty space, and the spoon is the circulating light beam. When you stir the coffee with the spoon, the coffee – or the empty space – gets twisted. Suppose you drop a sugar cube in the coffee. If empty space were twisting, you’d be able to detect it by observing a subatomic particle moving around in the space.”

And according to Einstein, whenever you do something to space, you also affect time. Twisting space causes time to be twisted, meaning you could theoretically walk through time as you walk through space.

bustabass
01-11-2009, 08:49 PM
Enjoyed reading that decim:)

duckandcover
01-11-2009, 09:43 PM
fascinating stuff , although im slightly worried about that they dont seem to know exactly whats going to happen when they press the big green button :eek::D

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 01:22 AM
Nostradamus gave a v clear warning about LHC
see my thrd 6 months back..

ndc777
02-11-2009, 09:27 PM
Seeing that has just reminded me that I've got to put the washing on.

http://akamai.edeal.com/images/catalog1392/folder3362/img8416190med.jpg

Ian2day
02-11-2009, 09:30 PM
Its just a small game of marbles.

spongeblip
02-11-2009, 09:35 PM
Seeing that has just reminded me that I've got to put the washing on.

http://akamai.edeal.com/images/catalog1392/folder3362/img8416190med.jpg

:D:D:D

Legendary

neutrino
02-11-2009, 10:02 PM
Nostradamus gave a v clear warning about LHC
see my thrd 6 months back..

Did he now. :rolleyes:

jesuitsdidit
24-11-2009, 01:57 PM
Did he now. :rolleyes:

info here

did Nostradamus warn against Large Hadron Collider

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56872&highlight=nostradamus

apparently this is surprisingly specific for ND
who was normally quite opaque..

jesuitsdidit
24-11-2009, 02:11 PM
did Nostradamus warn against Large Hadron Collider
see Century 9.44

44
Leave, leave Geneva every last one of you,
Saturn will be converted from gold to iron,
The counter raypoz will exterminate all,
Before the coming the sky will show signs.

raypoz - positive ray??

saturn fm gld 2 irn cd b saturn will be extinguished and no longer glow

some said the cassini mission was to ignite saturn
to create a second sun
now thats failed, maybe theyll use the LHC instead??

dreamweaver
24-11-2009, 02:13 PM
Nostradamus gave a v clear warning about LHC
see my thrd 6 months back..

If that's what you call a "v clear warning", I dread to think what your idea of a "woolly, vague and open to multiple interpretations" one would be.

http://i835.photobucket.com/albums/zz275/GAGTP/Thread%20Tools/picard-facepalm.jpg

jesuitsdidit
24-11-2009, 05:23 PM
heres the original in French

Migrés, migrés de Genefue trestous,
Saturne d'or en fer se changera,
Le contre Raypoz exterminera tous,
Auant l'aruent le Ciel signes fera.

remember this language is 500 yrs old
so a bit like reading Shakespearean English in verse..

drhemp
25-11-2009, 12:24 AM
The most worrying thing about this is the fact the scientists claim that it is safe when the reality is they don't know what is going to happen.

Did you know before they exploded the first atomic bomb they calculated there was a high probability it would burn off the entire atmosphere, but they did it any way?

neutrino
25-11-2009, 12:56 AM
some said the cassini mission was to ignite saturn
to create a second sun


Jesus titty christ. If people actually believe Saturn or even Jupiter for that matter can be turned into a sun by a space probe then I'm going to call it a day now and put a hammer to my own head.

jesuitsdidit
25-11-2009, 02:58 PM
Jesus titty christ. If people actually believe Saturn or even Jupiter for that matter can be turned into a sun by a space probe then I'm going to call it a day now and put a hammer to my own head.

what bcoz they arent massive enough to sustain fission altho they hav the same composition as the sun?
dont u think they wd try?

how about this
Century4 Q67:

The year that Saturn and Mars are equal fiery,
The air is very dry, a long meteor.(?)
From hidden fires a great place burns with heat,
Little rain, a hot wind, wars and raids.
L'an que Saturne & Mars esgaux combuste,
L'air fort sieché longe trajection.
Par feux secrets, d'ardeur grand lieu adust,
Peu pluie, vent chault, guerres, incursions.

ano translation-
L'an que Saturne & Mars esgaux combust,
L'air fort sieché, longue traiection :
Par feux secrets, d'ardeur grand lieu adust
Peu pluye, vent, chaud, guerres, incursions,

The year that Saturn and Mars are equal fiery,
The air very dry parched long meteor:
Through secret fires a great place blazing from burning heat,
Little rain, warm wind, wars, incursions.

cd this not be a beam weapon (secret fires)
the air very dry long meteor
means bolt of energy which dries/fries the air
as lightening burns the air as it passes thru and creates ozone..??

apparently they have beam weapons that can hit the moons of Jupiter..
- possibly what really hit the moon recently (if indeed anything did) maybe as a warning fm ptb against disobedience..??
something like, 'piss with us n we'll wipe u off the map'??

jesuitsdidit
25-11-2009, 03:05 PM
ano trltn c4q67

The year that Saturn and Mars are equal fiery, The air very dry parched long meteor: Through secret fires a great place blazing from burning heat, Little rain, warm wind, wars, incursions.

jesuitsdidit
25-11-2009, 03:21 PM
remember he was writing in verse
so all lines must rhyme
stf not always most obvious words used..

neutrino
25-11-2009, 11:59 PM
In order for fusion to occur the gases in the Gas giants need to be compressed to such a level that it cause 'self sustaining' fusion due to the heat pressure. Even if you set of a fusion explosion or fired a fusion causing energy beam into the atmosphere it would not cause the gas giants to turn into Suns as the fusion reaction would not be self perpetuating. The gas the explosion or beam hit would probably start fusing but the heat would dissipate the further out you go.

My God man, learn something please.

rhydra
26-11-2009, 12:22 AM
Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra predicted what would happen when they sang "have you heard, it's in the stars, next July we collide with Mars," there is no denying that as it's in a bloody film!
What will happen is that the LHC will create a huge tractor beam which will then pull Mars into the Earth and destroy both planets!

:D

dreamweaver
26-11-2009, 12:30 AM
Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra predicted what would happen when they sang "have you heard, it's in the stars, next July we collide with Mars," there is no denying that as it's in a bloody film!
What will happen is that the LHC will create a huge tractor beam which will then pull Mars into the Earth and destroy both planets!

:D

Freddie Mercury also clearly predicted the world would end when he recorded Don't Stop Me Now in 1978:

I'm a shooting star leaping through the sky
Like a tiger defying the laws of gravity
I'm a racing car passing by like Lady Godiva
I'm gonna go go go
There's no stopping me

I'm burning through the sky yeah!
Two hundred degrees
That's why they call me Mister Fahrenheit
I'm travelling at the speed of light
I wanna make a supersonic man out of you.

I'm a rocket ship on my way to Mars
On a collision course
I am a satellite I'm out of control
I am a sex machine ready to reload
Like an atom bomb about to
Oh oh oh oh oh explode


If that's not proof that science is dangerous, I don't know what is.