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cruise4
30-10-2009, 07:01 PM
http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2474

venividivici2311
30-10-2009, 07:14 PM
Somehow,very sudden,swine flu is on the rise again,media are all over it again,a few weeks ago it completely died down.....and now the rise,is it the media,or the flu getting deadlier??? :confused:

cruise4
30-10-2009, 11:47 PM
Ukraine Orders Mobile Military Hospitals for H1N1 Caseload
Recombinomics Commentary 18:52
October 30, 2009
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko ordered the Defense Ministry to prepare a mobile military hospitals.

According to an UNIAN correspondent, he told reporters.

V. Yushchenko said that today should provide the necessary number of places for patients.

The president said the Defense Ministry order for the deployment of mobile mobile hospitals, which will be raised if necessary.

Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has said that drugs to combat pandemic influenza A/H1N1 long enough, but he would ask the world community, if the need arises for additional resources.

The above comments describe additional preparations for handling the growing number of hospitalized patients in the Ukraine (see map). Local television and radio reports describe a doubling of reported cases (from 37,923 to over 80,000) in a 24 hour period, potentially taxing health care delivery. Some health care workers have also been infected.

Samples have been sent to London for analysis and a permanent link to WHO has been established. The situation appears to be quite fluid and transmission could be exacerbated by the upcoming holiday weekend.

Sequence data is eagerly awaited.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/10300902/Ukraine_Mobile_Hospitals.html

decim
31-10-2009, 12:55 AM
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

ariel
31-10-2009, 01:10 AM
Google "Joseph Moshe" he was involved in a rather bizarre standoff in L.A. on August 14.
Stories circulated back in August that he was going public with evidence that Baxter in the Ukraine were going to use an additive in the vaccine that would cause ...I believe...it was the Spanish Flu.

Stories in Ukraine is that autopsies are finding blood in the lungs.



Sorry I'm running late, or I would research it and post it myself.

arty2000
31-10-2009, 02:35 AM
maybe its a test for their new and improved poison because folks are'nt falling for the bs thats going on now.

cruise4
31-10-2009, 02:48 AM
Link : http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/376537.html


Yesterday, on October 29 some media reported that allegedly in the Ternopil Region cases of ill people with typhus were registered, and that militarized detachments limited entrance and departure from the territory of the Ternopil Region. However, the Public Relations Center of the Ministry of Emergencies in the Ternopil Region denied information about it.

Yesterday, on October 29 the chief physician of the regional sanitary-epidemiological station Halyna Hrynchuk assured that Kyiv Region is ready for prophylaxis and treatment of influenza, reported Yulia Makoveeva, MIGnews.com.ua correspondent.

In the Ternopil Region 25 percents of infectiologists who worked with patients with acute respiratory viral infections are ill, the chairman of the Association of infectiologists of Ukraine Mykhaylo Andreychin reported yesterday, on October 29 at a press conference.

"One fourth of doctors had such a disease or they are ill with it now. Fortunately, they are recovering now and soon again be able to work", - said Mykhaylo Andreychin.

Yesterday, on October 29 in Morshyn, Lviv Region a doctor from a local hospital, who contacted with patients with viral infection and visited them, died, is reported by the Deputy Chief of the Health protection department in the Lviv Region Iryna Mykytchak. According to her, a 56-year-old woman "had been previously diagnosed with pneumonia," UNIAN reports.

The medical facilities in the Lviv region have medicines for treatment of influenza and acute respiratory infections for the three-day supply, is said in the summary of information of the General Directorate of Health Protection in the Lviv Regional at the State regional Administration, UNIAN reported.

Because of the mass acute respiratory infections residents of the Lviv Region began to buy up antiviral drugs and flu masks. Yesterday, on October 29 the Lviv residents could not purchase masks. Consequently, the director general of the Lviv regional pharmaceutical corporation Nelia Byk appealed to all residents of the region with the request not to buy drugs without the need, Glavred cites the Ministry’s report as saying.

Ministry of Health recommends using the methods of traditional and alternative medicine for prevention of acute respiratory viral diseases, including influenza, Ukrainian News cites the report of the Ministry as saying.

According to experts of Ministry of Health, filling nutrition, conditioning to the cold and frequent airing of premises are effective during the period of active disease. Also, the Ministry recommends using general health-improving and tonic immunomodulatory drugs. In addition, the Ministry recommends frequent hand washing and cover a nose and mouth with a handkerchief when coughing and sneezing.

The number of people suffering from unknown virus in Ukraine is growing. According to the latest data of Ministry of Health, 30 deaths of flu and acute respiratory viral diseases have been recorded, starting from October, 19, in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions. In particular, from October, 19 and until 04:00 p.m. on October 29 6 deaths have been recorded in the Ivano-Frankivsk Region, 12 - in the Lviv Region (including 1 child) and 12 - in the Ternopil Region. As of 04:00 p.m. on October 29 the number of people sick with influenza and acute respiratory viral infections in these regions has reached 37, 923 people, 951 out of them have been hospitalized.

11:04 a.m. The information has been received that 3 people died from complicated pneumonia for the last 3 days in Chernivtsi. In total, during the last day the number of people sick with acute respiratory vital infections in Chernivtsi increased from 2,623 to 4,053 people. Only in 8 cases influenza was diagnosed.

According to the doctors, now in Chernivtsi unidentified viral infection is being observed. The first results of virological studies that will identify the virus, will be ready only in two weeks.

Also, three people died in the Rivne Region, and one person- in Transcarpathia.

In total, according to unconfirmed reports, 37 people died.

In connection with this anti-epidemic measures are introduced at the Lviv railway.

A spokesman for the chairman of the Lviv regional state administration Olha Kulyk also reported that "Lviv airport and Lviv Customs are under control”.

The Ternopil Regional Council decided to hold an extraordinary session on October 30. MPs will start the meeting at 02:00 p.m. today.

The emergency antiepidemic and antiepizootic Committee will be gathered today in the Cabinet of Ministers, declared First Deputy Prime Minister Olexander Turchynov in the air of 5 Kanal.

In addition, commenting on the growth of drug prices, he appealed to owners of pharmacies: "Stop be a parasite on the problems of citizens and do not play with the prices because we will have to answer for it. We are not joking, and we will act fairly tightly."

Olexander Turchynov also said that the leadership of the Ternopil Regional Health Protection Department "waited for a few weeks, did not informed the center and only after they had realized they would not cope with the situation, attended the press conference, instead of immediately informing Kyiv”.

Poland is keeping an eye on the situation with a possible virus epidemic in Ukraine. But while the State Sanitary Inspectorate of the country (GIS) does not see reasons to limit or close traffic on the common border. According to the GIS, the inspection has instructed its offices in Rzeszow and Lublin strengthen sanitary control at checkpoints on the common border, as well as monitor the current situation. In addition, the service should inform travelers about the possible threat of the epidemic and prevent the need to immediately contact a doctor in case of symptoms appearing.

GIS representative noted that from October 31 to November 3 the number of Poles crossing the Polish-Ukrainian border, will increase because many people will visit the cemeteries in Ukraine.

Member of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Health Lilia Hrihorovich (Our Ukraine-People’s Self-Defense faction) is convinced of the necessity to declare the state of emergency in five regions of Ukraine.

MP of the Verkhovna Rada from the Party of Regions faction, deputy chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Health Viktor Korzh says that the Ministry of Health is not ready to struggle against flu and acute respiratory viral infections epidemic.

Director of the Ukrainian Center for influenza and respiratory infections, the Ministry of Health of Ukraine Olexander Hrynevich is convinced that Ukraine needs a massive vaccination against influenza in connection with a high incidence of acute respiratory infections. By reports of Interfax-Ukraine, UNIAN, Ukrainian News, Ukrainskaya pravda

As a reminder, October 28 flu epidemic in the Ternopil Region, which had appeared a week ago, mowed down nearly 10,000 of residents. Moreover - unknown virus has already killed seven people. Ministry of Health has confirmed 20 deaths from pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.

A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.

cleopatraxxx
31-10-2009, 03:53 AM
http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2474

hello,
i have just read that entire thread in that forum.
I would like to leave my comments here:

1. the name of theFORUM is : FLU TRACKER - Response Team.
(that alone is already indicative of governmental origin.)

2. IS anyone on this DI forum at the moment present in the UK?
(that could help us know EXACTLY what is going on there)

3. KNOWING RUSSIAN FEARMONGERING TECHNIQUES VERY WELL, HAVING LIVED THROUGHT THEM MYSELF, I CAN RECOGNISE THE "BRILLIANT" REVERSE MENTALITY USED BY THE UKRANIAN GOVERNMENT IN MAKING IT LOOK LIKE AN UNKNOWN lung epidmic (at first) that WAS KILLING PEOPLE AND THROWING HUNDREDs INTO HOSPITALS WHICH ARE now FULL AND NOT COPING, ETC (as described on that thread)...and that this UNKNOWN VIRUS was still to be confirmed or not as the H1N1 swine flu...which could only be done after 21 days of the first persons death in that country!!!

4. then in less than a week they had confirmation, and that TAMIFLU was now available in the country to fight it and also the Ukranian Governmetn already announced this as a very fast spreading swine flu and that an EMERGENCY situation has now been oficially declared , including the "SPECIAL REGIME" hours for moving in town, quarantines and three weeks of all public activities completely cancelled!!!!!!!!! THIS is CURFEU, isn't it? and MILITARY are being send in to help maintain the situation from panic. Also that they are considering borders to be fuly closed...=
anybody remebering the SAME TECHNIQUES USED WHEN THE NAZI INVADED POLAND AND ANNOUNCED THAT JEWS HAD SPECIAL REGIMES AND HAD TO BE FENCED INSIDE THE CITY, THEN TRANSFERS STARTED ETC... ALL STARTED WITH THE JEWS , BUT ENDED UP BEING FOR ANY WAR PRISONER, WHO ENDED gased IN auschwitz AND OTHER CAMPS???????

i am sorry, but this is exactly what we have forseen and all this is in the same week when OBAMA delared the swine flu an EMERGENCY and FEMA will soon be in action too!!! quaranties and martial law, etc are envisage by myself to be already a reality before the end of DECEMBER all over Europe and also USA.

Unfortunately, the Ukraine is going through times when elections are supposed to occur and so, obviously, the Ukrainian candidates and present prime-minister are OBEYING TO ALL THE SHIT of the DEPOPULATion agenda THE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST G20 SUMMIT, so that they can be GIVEN THESE POSITIONS AGAIN! THEY HAVE TO FULFILL THEIR TIME SCHEDULES AND HENCE the shit just started hitting the fans.

I would try and get contacts with people in teh Ukraine that can confirm the deaths and the quarantines etc.... even if true, i still see this as what we have all been knowing would soon start.

in the thread one now finds out that there are different FLU STRAINS!!!
in the west of Ukraine, it is the KALIFORNIAN N1N1 flu. i never heard of it!!!! yes, n1n1!!!!
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

phantom
31-10-2009, 04:57 AM
ariel Google "Joseph Moshe"

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

Friday, August 21, 2009

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.

Read the rest of the article here (http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=700%3Amicrobiologist-alleges-baxter-qswine-fluq-vaccine-is-a-bioweapon&Itemid=64)

Joseph Moshe being gassed and pepper sprayed
http://unfictional.com/img/joseph-moshe-arrest-teargas.jpg

icarus
31-10-2009, 07:28 AM
It's looking like Baxter have released their virus in the Ukraine. Hopefully a few thousand Ukranians will resent this and burn Baxter to the ground.

poohkits
31-10-2009, 01:24 PM
Panic in Ukraine, Authorities deny aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities, Martial Law expected

Authorities in Kiev, Ukraine, deny spraying of “aerosolized medication” by aircraft over city.

The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.

Retailers and local business people reported they were advised to “stay indoors” during the day by local authorities.

Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.

Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.

On 30th October President Viktor Yushchenko ordered the Ministry of Defense to establish mobile military hospitals throughout Ukraine, to assist and provide “essential medications” to people with swine-flu. Yushchenko has also ordered medical personnel from the reserve defense forces to report for duty.

An order from President Yushchenko is expected soon that will effectively place Ukraine under “martial law”.
“Due to the complex epidemiological situation in the western regions of Ukraine, where tens of thousands of people have become ill, thousands are in hospital, and dozens have died.”

Nine regions of Ukraine have declared a quarantine around the country and public events have been banned (including the elections).The Clergy have been ordered not to hold any Church or religious services on Sundays or to gather a congregation for any reason whatsoever. Police are also enforcing the compulsory wearing of protective face masks, any driver caught not wearing a mask faces harsh legal penalties.

Earlier, health authorities in western Ukraine reported a “severe outbreak of UNIDENTIFIED Influenza, suspected by doctors to be a form of viral pneumonia”. The disease has already claimed a number of lives in the region. In Lviv, schools have been closed and authorities are conducting emergency meetings to determine how to deal with the outbreak.


Sources:


www.mycityua.com

www.lenta.ru

www.ubalert.com

www.mignews.com.ua

www.unian.net

holylucifer
31-10-2009, 01:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JDX9L-tL2g

Well guys if you care about your loved ones i suggest you buy this stuff.

This stuff will get rid of any single bad bacteria, every single viral infection, and everything cancer known to man basically get rid of anything bad in your body and reverse the process as well as enhanceing your body such as growth cell rate will go up etc, etc, etc and you only need the normal stuff and that is there is all to it.

Thing will be getting very bad so you better pay attention and get this stuff, and yes like the 'i am a legend' move from 2007 which happened in 2009 which shows the agenda.

Even if you don't then buy this stuff when it's the very last minute and work as i said.

So yea even the chemtrails, turn it into the deadly 1918 flu pandemic.

http://uk-cs.co.uk/ukpaypalorder.htm

91181
31-10-2009, 03:18 PM
Google "Joseph Moshe" he was involved in a rather bizarre standoff in L.A. on August 14.
Stories circulated back in August that he was going public with evidence that Baxter in the Ukraine were going to use an additive in the vaccine that would cause ...I believe...it was the Spanish Flu.

Stories in Ukraine is that autopsies are finding blood in the lungs.



Sorry I'm running late, or I would research it and post it myself.


Joseph Moshe being gassed and pepper sprayed
http://unfictional.com/img/joseph-moshe-arrest-teargas.jpg


Microbiologist alleges Baxter "swine flu" vaccine is a bioweapon

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=700:microbiologist-alleges-baxter-qswine-fluq-vaccine-is-a-bioweapon&Itemid=64


Seems like the man was bang on the money with his ''outlandish conspiracy theorie''..

itsallundercontrol
31-10-2009, 04:55 PM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/376694.html

http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/376728.html

Some are calling it californian flu or swine flu and even the pneumonic plague.
mainstream media however are not touching it,not even reporting on it anywhere as far as I can tell.

spiral_out
31-10-2009, 06:35 PM
ariel

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”

Friday, August 21, 2009

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.

Read the rest of the article here (http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=700%3Amicrobiologist-alleges-baxter-qswine-fluq-vaccine-is-a-bioweapon&Itemid=64)

Joseph Moshe being gassed and pepper sprayed
http://unfictional.com/img/joseph-moshe-arrest-teargas.jpg


Have you found any recording of the broadcast?

macmauro
01-11-2009, 01:26 AM
Found this:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/281408

50 deaths ? I know that for the population of Ukraine (in percentage) is not much, but this seem to be escalating, for what i've been reading Slovakia and Russia are making strict border controls. Nothing reported in MSM? That's odd...

andyh
01-11-2009, 01:50 AM
Well, NY Times have something now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/world/europe/01ukraine.html

I guess western MSM just doesn't rate news if it's outside US/EU.

macmauro
01-11-2009, 02:02 AM
From reports inside Ukraine seems that the panic is real, i underline panic not the actual situation, a political move is, of course, very credible, but still sometime to go for the elections (mid January), seems that even Russia is acting very carefull at the borders...

macmauro
01-11-2009, 02:10 AM
Good site:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http://www.moz.gov.ua/ua/main/press/%3FdocID%3D13941&prev=hp&rurl=translate.google.com

But the numbers here can show that the government his hyping this??

brock
01-11-2009, 02:30 AM
financial collapse cover/preperation?

macmauro
01-11-2009, 03:01 AM
financial collapse cover/preperation?

Can very well be, just worried for the Ukranians, i'm Portuguese and they are one of the biggest group of migrants in my country, very nice people struggling for a decent life, wish them the best :)

fccool
01-11-2009, 04:05 AM
I just got off the phone with my dad, who is in southern Ukraine, and he said that people are in euphoria. My mom just got over a terrible case of flu with 40C/104F temperature, and he could not even find anything in the drugstores to help her fever... he had to go the "black market way" through his connections to find some intra-venous drugs to lower her temperature.

She's feeling much better now, but the point is that all of a sudden there are no basic flu medication? Since when?

I can tell you my understanding on what's going on, since I've seen and heard much of bullshit in my lifetime... I lived through Soviet Union propaganda myself, but never ever in my life there was a case when the towns were guaranteed. We've had some pretty bad flu outbreaks before, and sure the schools were closing down, but nothing of sort what's going on right now.

Here's my understanding from the Geopolitical perspective. There needs to be a euphoria so people would not pay attention to the rapid political and economic changes that are about to take place. The people need to be shaking in their boots - locked up in their homes, much like people of Ukraine right now are glued to their televisions.... and sucking all of the propaganda in.

On top of that, there needs to be an example to the entire world of "this is gonna happen to you".

And lastly, there needs to be a scapegoat for the coming economic collapse and heavy regulation of everything... and this seems to be it.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 04:25 AM
financial collapse cover/preperation?

could well be..

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 04:28 AM
could well be..

actually the financial system is buggered imo
i reckon its only a matter of time till it collapses completely
then the cat will be out a the bag
i guess they r just trying to find a way
to stop it happening
but i dont think they can..

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 04:31 AM
Here's my understanding from the Geopolitical perspective. There needs to be a euphoria so people would not pay attention to the rapid political and economic changes that are about to take place. The people need to be shaking in their boots - locked up in their homes, much like people of Ukraine right now are glued to their televisions.... and sucking all of the propaganda in.

yes
i can see yr logic..

blueshakti
01-11-2009, 04:39 AM
I just got off the phone with my dad, who is in southern Ukraine, and he said that people are in euphoria. My mom just got over a terrible case of flu with 40C/104F temperature, and he could not even find anything in the drugstores to help her fever... he had to go the "black market way" through his connections to find some intra-venous drugs to lower her temperature.

She's feeling much better now, but the point is that all of a sudden there are no basic flu medication? Since when?

I can tell you my understanding on what's going on, since I've seen and heard much of bullshit in my lifetime... I lived through Soviet Union propaganda myself, but never ever in my life there was a case when the towns were guaranteed. We've had some pretty bad flu outbreaks before, and sure the schools were closing down, but nothing of sort what's going on right now.

Here's my understanding from the Geopolitical perspective. There needs to be a euphoria so people would not pay attention to the rapid political and economic changes that are about to take place. The people need to be shaking in their boots - locked up in their homes, much like people of Ukraine right now are glued to their televisions.... and sucking all of the propaganda in.

On top of that, there needs to be an example to the entire world of "this is gonna happen to you".

And lastly, there needs to be a scapegoat for the coming economic collapse and heavy regulation of everything... and this seems to be it.


Hope your mom gets better soon - thanks for the update!

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 05:55 AM
but never ever in my life there was a case when the towns were guaranteed.

i think you mean quarantined??

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 06:00 AM
Here's my understanding from the Geopolitical perspective. There needs to be a euphoria so people would not pay attention to the rapid political and economic changes that are about to take place. The people need to be shaking in their boots - locked up in their homes, much like people of Ukraine right now are glued to their televisions.... and sucking all of the propaganda in.

yes
i see wot u r saying
if the financial system's about 2 collapse
it is necessary for the public to be in such a state of anxiety (euphoria)
that when it actually happens they dont really notice/dont perceive it as a shock
iwc the whole things been cooked up 4 this purpose
but bcoz we havent taken to the streets
theyve had 2 ramp it up with this new strain in Ukraine

wot dya reckon bng?
think about it
the collapse of the entire financial system
would not only be about as major as it gets,
it also means they'll be exposed with no way out

good logic fcc..

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 07:32 AM
yes
i see wot u r saying
if the financial system's about 2 collapse
it is necessary for the public to be in such a state of anxiety (euphoria)
that when it actually happens they dont really notice/dont perceive it as a shock
iwc the whole things been cooked up 4 this purpose
but bcoz we havent taken to the streets
theyve had 2 ramp it up with this new strain in Ukraine

wot dya reckon bng?
think about it
the collapse of the entire financial system
would not only be about as major as it gets,
it also means they'll be exposed with no way out

good logic fcc..

i'd say this is certainly possible
perhaps they planned to have a flu pandemic
at some stage
but got caught unprepared by the financial crisis
so decided to use it instead
as a means of distracting the people
while they work out how to collapse
the financial system
without undue injury to themselves..??

you could expect some savage measures
in the near future bng..

justin_pushka
01-11-2009, 01:08 PM
This spraying is following a pattern globaly. They have been spraying from huge tanker aircraft over populated areas of the uk also. On spraying days people get ill. On non spraying days people are fine. They are spraying different bugs that cause flu and ecoli. Its designed to panick people into lining up for the vaccine. The vaccine was tested on polish homeless in 2006 and 15% died straight away. What is going on in the ukrain is one piece of a large scale depopulation program. One of these planes was brought down in uganda where they were spraying in the summer it belonged to the us millitary. In the uk I rang the MOD and got the same denial. I also rang the environmental health to check the air quality they were quick to visit me to stop a panick and i was told that the only way i could find out about it was to contact the UN. The problem there is that this is the UN doing it. Incidentaly there is a new report today that passengers entering the uk at heathrow had been poisoned by some chemical during the flight so a chemical alert was declared! People need to wake up from cosy TV land because there is a war against you the public.

seercirra
01-11-2009, 02:37 PM
the sky today in the uk is disgusting. absolutely disgusting.

i dont know how people can go about their daily lives and not notice. i have a feeling something new is in the spray too. each time i spend any time outside lately ive felt horrible the next day. and for the last two weeks ive had very strange, constant headaches..

im just looking at the sun through the sheets of chemicals in the sky and the light that filters through the "cloud" is multicoloured. red, blue, purple, pink, orange.. it keeps changing, and looks totally nuts.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 05:59 PM
possibly wots in the vaccine will react with wots in the spray..

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:35 PM
This is very bad guys. Looks like its happening. Here's the WHO's statement.

http://www.who.int/csr/don/20091101/en/index.html

Russia today are reporting dozens of deaths and 185,000 cases so far. This is spreading like wild fire. The plague/virus (or whatever this is (unknown)) attacks the lungs and 'melts' them.

The primeinister of Ukraine had this to say....

Ukraine's president's desperate plea for help: EU, NATO, USA, Russia, Hungary, Belorus, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Slovakia please help us as soon as possible, we can not fight this infection alone, the survival of the Ukrainian nation is under danger, our people are dieing!

It seems we have a media blackout in the west.

I have heard rumors of unconfirmed reports in Poland and China.

Following a thread over at ATS (if im allowed to say that) with some nice info.

Didnt see this at the top of David Icke forum so i thought i should post just incase.

Stay calm but it seems like the nightmare is happening.

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:39 PM
Sorry peeps forgot to post russia today links.

Swine flu outbreak in Ukraine as virus said to kill dozens - YouTube

Six+ Ukranian newspapers are reporting that statement from the primeinister. I would post the links but their buried in another thread and a translator would be needed but ill leave that up to you guys. I'll keep updating with the newest info on this.

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:41 PM
It seems the most recent update from RT's youtube isnt there, hopefully one of you guys can find it and post it for the rest of us.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 08:42 PM
Ukraine outbreak likely to be pneumonic plague. Ministry of Health has not established the exact diagnosis of the epidemic disease in the western regions of Ukraine.

http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles_print/376396.html


// 29.10.2009 // 12:54 //
SHOCK! Epidemic of pneumonic plague in Ukraine? (updated at 05:39 pm)



A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.

PNEUMONIC PLAGUE has an acute course than other forms, over and is accompanied by a very high mortality rate. The incubation period of primary pneumonic plague rarely exceeds more than 1-4 days. It begins, as a rule, suddenly - with shivering, fever, headache, myalgia, weakness, nausea. The symptoms of pneumonia - cough with phlegm, chest pain, shortness of breath - usually appear on the second day of the disease. Blood spitting, growing respiratory disorders, heart failure, respiratory failure, shock are being observed. In primary pneumonic plague phlegm usually is watery or mucinous, foamy, with blood or visibly bloody.

A secondary pneumonic plague occurs as interstitial pneumonia. Phlegm is scanty and more dense and viscous than in primary pulmonary plague. It is believed that in this regard, patients are less contagious.

As a reminder, yesterday, on October 28 flu epidemic in the Ternopil Region, which had appeared a week ago, mowed down nearly 10,000 of residents. Moreover - unknown virus has already killed seven people. Ministry of Health has confirmed 20 deaths from pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.

Ministry of Health has not established the exact diagnosis of the epidemic disease in the western regions of Ukraine. Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevich has given information about spread of diseases in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions today at the meeting of Cabinet of Ministers.

According to the Minister, the World Health Organization is ready to render assistance to Ukrainian experts and the Ministry of Health in order to establish the cause of death and development of disease flu in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.

"We are working at receiving the vaccine against influenza A (H1N1) also", - said Vasily Knyazevich and asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to render assistance.

Answering question of Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko about the definition of the specific nature of the disease, the head of the Ministry of Health said: "The nature of infections is viral one. But at the moment it is not defined, is it the Californian influenza H1N1, or it is our seasonal influenza. To date, there is no precise diagnosis."

In turn, First Deputy Prime Minister Olexander Turchynov urged "not to slow in the matter, and hold a conference tomorrow," and noted that preliminary information about the nature of infections will be received tonight.

According to the Minister of Health, to date, 12 adults have died in the Ternopil Region. "There are problems, people of working age 20-45 years are sick, there is a problem with pregnant women (we have the death in the Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil Regions), 17 patients remain in the grave condition, 4 of them have artificial pulmonary ventilation", - said Vasily Knyazevych.

According to the Minister, leading international experts, particularly from Russia and Europe, will be involving into establishing the diagnosis.

He noted that the Ivano-Frankivsk region reached the epidemic threshold. 6 deaths are registered there which are related to this situation. Also, the Minister of Health noted that the climatic and temperature conditions in the Ternopil Region did not lead to the development of disease in these regions.

In turn, Yulia Tymoshenko ordered before the end of today's meeting of the government to bring her all the data, the estimates associated with the epidemic disease as a draft form. She also ordered Oleksander Turchynov to consider the issue of informing the public through the video and broadcast that person should avoid work and study if he has signs of cold, and urgently appeal to the doctor.

In addition, Prime Minister instructed the Ministry of Health to send special circulars, which contain instructions for the doctors in this situation, to all hospitals of Ukraine, and to explore the amount of necessary additional funding to counteract an outbreak of viral diseases in the western areas.

In connection with the spread of flu quarantine has been declared in schools in the Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk Regions.

04:10 p.m. Despite the fact that doctors do not state that epidemic of swine flu has started in Ukraine, the facts speak for themselves: a man died in Transcarpathia. Precisely swine flu killed him.

According to reports, a week ago the man returned from Saint Petersburg, where he was on a business trip, with symptoms of cold, but sought medical treatment only when the health condition was already critical: there were complications in the form of inflammation of the lungs and pulmonary edema.

Doctors and specialists of the Transcarpathian regional sanitary-epidemiological station previously recognized swine flu as the cause of death, but in connection with the complexity of the final laboratory tests the cause of death of the man has not yet succeeded, reports Obozrevatel.

Another patient with symptoms of swine flu has been hospitalized to regional infectious diseases hospital in Uzhhorod. The resident of Koritnyany village, Uzhhorod district recently returned from Moscow, and felt a deterioration of health. Doctors are confident due to the timely treatment the patient will recover.

Today in Uzhhorod a press conference is planned to be held involving specialists of the Office of Health and State Administration. It will be held at 03:30 a.m. in the regional center of health.

As MIGnews.com.ua correspondent has learned, a group of specialists of Transcarpathian regional sanitary-epidemiological station has left for investigation of a fatal case in Volovets village, whence the deceased comes from. Doctors say that it would be too difficult to confirm the presence of swine influenza in the region - in Ukraine there are no special methods and technical capabilities, Vitaly Logos, MIGnews.com.ua correspondent reports.

An epidemic of A/H1N1 influenza may appear in November in Ukraine, told the director of the Ukrainian Center of influenza and acute respiratory infections Olexander Hrynevich. "Most likely, it will appear when the weather deteriorates. People will be cold”,- said Hrynevich.

05:22 p.m. 21 people have died in three western regions of Ukraine, according to preliminary data, of pneumonia, ForUm reports. Swine influenza has not been found, but the final results will be known in two days, when the additional tests will be spent in London.

Olexandr Hrynevich assured that Ukrainian epidemiologists have been prepared for the epidemic of influenza A/H1N1, reports ForUm. According to him, the state has reserves of disinfection means, necessary tests to identify A/H1N1 have been purchased, places for treatment of patients have been prepared. Hrynevich suggests that an epidemic of swine flu may start soon in Ukraine.

Today, on October 29, it has become known about another case of death from pneumonia in Chernivtsi. Ministry of Health calls on all citizens if symptoms of influenza or other acute respiratory viral diseases appear, go to hospital immediately.

Due to the epidemiological situation the trip of President Victor Yushchenko to the Lviv Region may fail, Glavred cites the chief state sanitary doctor of the Lviv region Roman Pavliv as saying.

On Saturday, October 31, business trip of President of Ukraine to the Lviv Region is planned to be on the occasion of the establishment of the West Ukrainian National Republic.

Three members of Ukraine’s embassies are being checked by doctors on influenza A (H1N1), Foreign Minister Petro Poroshenko reported. "There was information that the three officials of embassies are suspected of being ill with virus A (H1N1). All necessary facilities were provided for treatment and diagnostics," - he said.

Petro Poroshenko said that the Foreign Ministry established a fund for immediate disbursement of funds for treatment in cases where the health of members of diplomatic missions of Ukraine is under threat. The Ministry is also developing mechanisms for temporary insurance for diplomats working in countries where the epidemiological threat or an emergency for their social protection are declared, Ukrainian News reported.

05:39 p.m. Doctors are calling on citizens not to vaccinate against influenza, because such vaccination in the midst of the epidemic may injure the health, coordinator of epidemic influenza in Lviv Miron Borysevich claimed at a press conference, proUA.com reports.

"When an outbreak of influenza begins, nobody is being vaccinated. From the point of view of epidemiology this can not be done because it is harmful. It may harm the patient," - he said.

At the same time, doctors advise not to communicate with people who are sick. If you have to contact with sick people, use flu masks.

A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.

PNEUMONIC PLAGUE has an acute course than other forms, over and is accompanied by a very high mortality rate. The incubation period of primary pneumonic plague rarely exceeds more than 1-4 days. It begins, as a rule, suddenly - with shivering, fever, headache, myalgia, weakness, nausea. The symptoms of pneumonia - cough with phlegm, chest pain, shortness of breath - usually appear on the second day of the disease. Blood spitting, growing respiratory disorders, heart failure, respiratory failure, shock are being observed. In primary pneumonic plague phlegm usually is watery or mucinous, foamy, with blood or visibly bloody.

A secondary pneumonic plague occurs as interstitial pneumonia. Phlegm is scanty and more dense and viscous than in primary pulmonary plague. It is believed that in this regard, patients are less contagious.

As a reminder, yesterday, on October 28 flu epidemic in the Ternopil Region, which had appeared a week ago, mowed down nearly 10,000 of residents. Moreover - unknown virus has already killed seven people. Ministry of Health has confirmed 20 deaths from pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions. By Yulia Makoveeva, MIGnews.com.ua

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 08:43 PM
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Pneumonic plague
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picA scanning electron micrograph depicting a mass of Yersinia pestis bacteria

Pneumonic plague is one of three main forms of plague, all of which are caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. It is more virulent and rarer than bubonic plague. The difference between the versions of plague is simply the location of the infection. Pneumonic plague is an infection in the lung(s), bubonic plague is an infection of the buboes or lymph nodes, while septicemic plague is an infection in the blood stream.

Typically, pneumonic form is due to a secondary spread from advanced infection of an initial bubonic form. Primary pneumonic plague results from inhalation of fine infective droplets and can be transmitted from human to human without involvement of fleas or animals. Untreated pneumonic plague has a very high fatality rate.

Contents
[hide]

* 1 Epidemiology
* 2 Pathology and transmission
* 3 Symptoms
* 4 Prognosis and treatment
* 5 China
* 6 See also
* 7 References
* 8 External links

[edit] Epidemiology

Since 2001, the World Health Organization (WHO) has reported six plague outbreaks, though some may go unreported because they often happen in remote areas. Between 1998 and 2009, nearly 24,000 cases have been reported, including about 2,000 deaths, in Africa, Asia, the Americas and Eastern Europe. The vast majority of the world's cases (98%) are in Africa.
[edit] Pathology and transmission

Pneumonic plague can be caused in two ways: primary, which results from the inhalation of aerosolised plague bacteria, or secondary, when septicemic plague spreads into lung tissue from the bloodstream. Pneumonic plague is not exclusively vector-borne like bubonic plague; instead it can be spread from person to person. There have been cases of pneumonic plague resulting from the dissection or handling of contaminated animal tissue. This is one type of the formerly known Black Plague. It could kill 90%–100% of a population if the victims coughed and passed on the bacteria.
[edit] Symptoms

The most apparent symptom of pneumonic plague is coughing, often with hemoptysis (coughing up blood). With pneumonic plague, the first signs of illness are fever, headache, weakness, and rapidly developing pneumonia with shortness of breath, chest pain, cough, and sometimes bloody or watery sputum.[1] The pneumonia progresses for two to four days and may cause respiratory failure and shock. Without early treatment, patients will die, some within 24 hours.

When they begin, pneumonic plague symptoms can often include:

* Fever
* Weakness
* Headache

Rapidly developing pneumonia with:

* Shortness of breath
* Chest pain
* Cough
* Bloody or watery sputum (saliva and discharge from respiratory passages).[2]

[edit] Prognosis and treatment

Pneumonic plague is a very aggressive infection requiring early treatment. To reduce the risk of death, antibiotics must be given within 24 hours of first symptoms.[1] Streptomycin, gentamicin, tetracyclines, and chloramphenicol are all effective against pneumonic plague.

Antibiotic treatment for seven days will protect people who have had direct, close contact with infected patients. Wearing a close-fitting surgical mask also protects against infection.[1]

Without treatment, the mortality rate from pneumonic plague approaches 100%.[3]...

decim
01-11-2009, 08:43 PM
The W.H.O is hardly a reputable source for good information.

Sounds like another vaccine sales pitch.

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:44 PM
The latest (unconfirmed!) reports from Ukraine on the pneumonic plague outbreak:
Tanks with chemical/biological protection units reported outside of Ternopol.
International team of doctors turned away from Lviv - situation here is far worse than previously reported.
Also reports are coming of some remote villages in the Carpathian mountains are completely wiped out by the plague.
Police units in Kyiv authorized to go house-by-house and implement mandatory vaccination programme.

UPDATE: Ukrainian President Yushchenko authorizes mandatory vaccination programme.

http://www.president.gov.ua/ru/news/15568.html
http://rus.4post.com.ua/

Who knows whats going on....

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:46 PM
Found the link,

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

decim
01-11-2009, 08:48 PM
http://www.president.gov.ua/ru/news/15568.html

Translation

Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko on the meeting as the incidence of influenza and ORVZ held in Lviv, gave instructions to strengthen the fight against flu epidemic in Ukraine, particularly in the nine areas where quarantine.

The President instructed to establish a uniform regime of reporting on the incidence, while the data must agree on the Ministry of Health and Chief State Sanitary Doctor of Ukraine.

At the request of the mayor of the city of Lviv President instructed the Ministry of Health and Chair of governors regions of Ukraine, which did not enter a quarantine treatment, to arrange the provision of assistance to the city of Lviv, in particular medical crews ambulance.

Yushchenko also asked the chairpersons administrations most affected areas to find a compromise solution on the work of the markets, which should temporarily stop working or only trade in food products.

Head of State noted that instruct the Cabinet to change the principle of remuneration of health workers mobilized in the area where quarantined.

According to Viktor Yushchenko, he intends to hold a telephone conversation with the leaders of Poland to provide assistance to Ukraine to overcome the epidemic.

The President said that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs yesterday held the headquarters, which coordinates the receipt of humanitarian aid from other countries.

Speaking about the situation with the provision of medicines, the President stated: "If the state is not adopted the market mechanism of price control on drugs, we will never be them enough. We will only fuel the shadow processes that lead to fabulous price of drugs for which the price could be significantly less. " Yushchenko urged the medical community to take a more proactive stance in this issue of abuse policy.

The President also instructed the Ministry of Health to state categorical position against unfair advertising drugs against influenza.

Viktor Yushchenko also spoke on the issue of vaccination against influenza. "Today we must do everything in order to respond to comments that the vaccination schedule is seriously disrupted. Believe me, there is no other answer than to raise the culture, to undertake a full schedule of vaccinations, which recommends that the Ministry of Health today. I am talking in general, and the situation that we see, - said Victor Yushchenko, stressing that the only party that has a professional attitude in this matter - it is the Ministry of Health.

According to recent data, in Ukraine the number of cases of influenza and acute respiratory viral diseases is 154,214 people. 4649 hospitalized persons. Number of deaths from influenza and ORVZ is 48 people.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 08:48 PM
nb
plague is spread by a bacteria
not a virus..

breezinreezin
01-11-2009, 08:49 PM
Ho hum, Youtubes down just when we need it.

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:49 PM
The W.H.O is hardly a reputable source for good information.

Sounds like another vaccine sales pitch.

I would love for that to be true but i have some friends in the Ukraine and it really is looking bad over there. Euphoria is taking hold and i am being told people are 'fleeing' to Poland. I dont mean to scaremonger but im pretty sure this has something to do with the vaccine but not your meaning of it.

I will post the russian news websites soon and you can do the translations yourselves.

gilly
01-11-2009, 08:49 PM
Merged two threads on the subject. :)

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:52 PM
The Minister of Health of Ukraine Vasily Knjazevich: Ministry of Health plans to declare quarantine in all territory of Ukraine.

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=323380

capulet
01-11-2009, 08:54 PM
A new sales pitch or not, im starting to change my mind and take my chances with any vaccines. It is 50/50 after all.

breezinreezin
01-11-2009, 08:56 PM
From what I've been reading it's being described as a "Pneumonic plague" and has a very high mortality rate.

http://mignews.com.ua/en/categ386/articles/376396.html

sloppy
01-11-2009, 08:57 PM
A new sales pitch or not, im starting to change my mind and take my chances with any vaccines. It is 50/50 after all.

Take a vaccine for what? Ukranians dont know what the hell their dealing with. Pathegen needs to be isolated first...

I have been following this since last night and would really welcome some good news on the subject:/

Could this be a case of overexageration from multiple sources? I must add that we must try to confirm what is real and what is disinfo as some sources i have read have played this down as almost 'minor', but i really cant see that being the case.

decim
01-11-2009, 08:57 PM
http://rus.4post.com.ua/gromada/148063.html

Translation

Uninformed guest in the city on Friday would seem that in filming a disaster movie. Streets and town center filled with people in respiratory masks. Before the pharmacy - a crazy turn. Hospitals - overcrowded. And all they say only one thing - attack the new unknown virus.

Face of the city, but not so changed some inns director, and this is the umbra - the virus that from Friday officially considered "pork" flu. The virus from which (according to 31 October) in Lviv, 8 persons died and hundreds went to hospitals.

This disease does not come alone - she brought even panic, which is now spreading faster than the city of H1N1. And from it can not save no respiratory mask - rumors, one worse than the other, walking among the citizens.

Even now, when the Ministry of Health officially announced that the particular strain of influenza A (N1H1), among lvovyan rage not talk about what it is about something else, even worse - fever or pneumonic plague.

Nascent and new rumors. Yes, even on Friday morning the Internet rumor that the lions will spray over a medium dezyfektsiyi - whether helicopters, or aircraft. Some people immediately began to produce and konspirolohichni theory - say, really is not about disinfection and planned on a massive infection by the disease. That is, in fact, the impact of the lions biological weapons of mass destruction.

What is characteristic: the dezynfikuvalnyy raid heard almost all but the author could not find even one person who saw his own eyes over the city of any flying object that would be involved in something similar. He himself also did not like watching.

It is worth recognizing - Lviv soil is fertile for such rumors with a rather objective reasons. This is already in the atmosphere. Just go to the center to verify this for yourself.

Among those relatively few residents of Lviv, who, despite everything, ventured out into the city if not a third hidden face of respiratory masks. Those who are not lucky enough to buy a magical artifact hidden by what they can: scarves, sweaters, scarf, high collar.

Thus, in order to find today in Lviv unoccupied respiratory mask really need luck. In pharmacies they just do not. For example, one of them managed to head "beat out" from suppliers only half the package - 50 pieces. And that - not for adults and children, with the figure bears. But almost immediately he withdrew them from sale, decided to distribute them to their employees. And that - not surprising, since they (especially - sales) are literally on the front line of the front.

By the way, when half the pack saw this woman, who were at the time of withdrawal of the sales went into this pharmacy, she started a real hysterics. It required her to sell at least one-odnisinku mask for her - a small child.


And this woman can also understand - in the atmosphere of fear that prevails now in the city, such behavior is quite natural.

Do not lower boom causing ordinary flu medicine, such as "Amizonu", "Aflubinu" oksolinovoyi or ointments. They literally vymitayut of pharmacy - or, better said, almost vymely. They purchased in order to prevent even those who have no symptoms. And who is sick - just buys in maximum.

However, the semiofficial information, such traditional weapons are not very effective against "swine" influenza. That is only the drug "Tamiflu", and it is said pharmacists, suppliers in generally was only 2.5 thousand packages. For the Lions it - mizer.

Suppliers same would be happy to provide pharmacies with this drug, but they "Tamiflu" just does not. Say, that it is in Ukraine can be obtained only in an urban infectious diseases hospital inpatient. Otherwise, given the pharmaceutical barren - nothing.

Suffering from panic Lviv and doctors. Not only that patients are now - though dike, and distinguish between "swine flu" of a very widespread at this time ordinary cold in the early stages they are often unable or even panic, and they become infected themselves. After all, doctors are today if not the largest group at risk, and is already in deaths among them.

At the same time several people in Ukraine still does not save at least relative calm - in the first place, thanks also to the rumors. The fact is that

near panic among the people of Lviv rumors circulating, and a kind of "anti-crisis" rumors: they say, all this panic is caused by exclusively through the media that it is - part of the business project of pharmaceutical corporations, and really nothing terrible in "pork" no flu.

With them, of course, will not agree to loved ones of those people whose body has lost its battle with the new virus. But, as in now, no one knows with absolute certainty, many believe, and agree to the following versions.

But even these skeptics, perhaps, will try soon as rarely leave their homes. And how come out, then from respiratory masks not refuse. So now the city of Lviv more remains from the movie-disaster.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 08:57 PM
Ho hum, Youtubes down just when we need it.

its up..

duckandcover
01-11-2009, 09:01 PM
http://www.idemc.org/read/index.php?pageid=event_details&sid=209

150,000 infected , 50 dead :eek:

breezinreezin
01-11-2009, 09:02 PM
Here's an interesting quote from the same source:

" 05:39 p.m. Doctors are calling on citizens not to vaccinate against influenza, because such vaccination in the midst of the epidemic may injure the health, coordinator of epidemic influenza in Lviv Miron Borysevich claimed at a press conference, proUA.com reports.

"When an outbreak of influenza begins, nobody is being vaccinated. From the point of view of epidemiology this can not be done because it is harmful. It may harm the patient," - he said

Hardly what our experts are saying is it.

bluefeather
01-11-2009, 09:03 PM
This doesn't sound like swine flu to me. (At least not the variety we have here in the UK). Coughing up blood? No wonder they're scratching their heads and blurting out the word 'plague'.
I'm off to research the 1918 pandemic flu - pretty sure I watched a docu/drama on it a few months ago - and almost certain people were coughing up blood.:confused:

rollotomaz1
01-11-2009, 09:04 PM
Sounds just like another ploy to get the publics awareness and fears back on the burner, and the best way to do this is to withold certain information by letting the text out but barring the video, a right royal bunch of twats.

On the part about coughing up blood, this is possible in many different case/diseases or upper respiratory tract infections and if you have a bad enough chest infection you can do it as well.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 09:04 PM
so
do they introduce plague thru the shot
then increase the killing by spraying from helicopters
saying they r sanitising the cities??

decim
01-11-2009, 09:07 PM
Planes spraying disinfectant?

http://rus.4post.com.ua/gromada/148063.html

Translation

Uninformed guest in the city on Friday would seem that in filming a disaster movie. Streets and town center filled with people in respiratory masks. Before the pharmacy - a crazy turn. Hospitals - overcrowded. And all they say only one thing - attack the new unknown virus.

Face of the city, but not so changed some inns director, and this is the umbra - the virus that from Friday officially considered "pork" flu. The virus from which (according to 31 October) in Lviv, 8 persons died and hundreds went to hospitals.

This disease does not come alone - she brought even panic, which is now spreading faster than the city of H1N1. And from it can not save no respiratory mask - rumors, one worse than the other, walking among the citizens.

Even now, when the Ministry of Health officially announced that the particular strain of influenza A (N1H1), among lvovyan rage not talk about what it is about something else, even worse - fever or pneumonic plague.

Nascent and new rumors. Yes, even on Friday morning the Internet rumor that the lions will spray over a medium dezyfektsiyi - whether helicopters, or aircraft. Some people immediately began to produce and konspirolohichni theory - say, really is not about disinfection and planned on a massive infection by the disease. That is, in fact, the impact of the lions biological weapons of mass destruction.

What is characteristic: the dezynfikuvalnyy raid heard almost all but the author could not find even one person who saw his own eyes over the city of any flying object that would be involved in something similar. He himself also did not like watching.

It is worth recognizing - Lviv soil is fertile for such rumors with a rather objective reasons. This is already in the atmosphere. Just go to the center to verify this for yourself.

Among those relatively few residents of Lviv, who, despite everything, ventured out into the city if not a third hidden face of respiratory masks. Those who are not lucky enough to buy a magical artifact hidden by what they can: scarves, sweaters, scarf, high collar.

Thus, in order to find today in Lviv unoccupied respiratory mask really need luck. In pharmacies they just do not. For example, one of them managed to head "beat out" from suppliers only half the package - 50 pieces. And that - not for adults and children, with the figure bears. But almost immediately he withdrew them from sale, decided to distribute them to their employees. And that - not surprising, since they (especially - sales) are literally on the front line of the front.

By the way, when half the pack saw this woman, who were at the time of withdrawal of the sales went into this pharmacy, she started a real hysterics. It required her to sell at least one-odnisinku mask for her - a small child.


And this woman can also understand - in the atmosphere of fear that prevails now in the city, such behavior is quite natural.

Do not lower boom causing ordinary flu medicine, such as "Amizonu", "Aflubinu" oksolinovoyi or ointments. They literally vymitayut of pharmacy - or, better said, almost vymely. They purchased in order to prevent even those who have no symptoms. And who is sick - just buys in maximum.

However, the semiofficial information, such traditional weapons are not very effective against "swine" influenza. That is only the drug "Tamiflu", and it is said pharmacists, suppliers in generally was only 2.5 thousand packages. For the Lions it - mizer.

Suppliers same would be happy to provide pharmacies with this drug, but they "Tamiflu" just does not. Say, that it is in Ukraine can be obtained only in an urban infectious diseases hospital inpatient. Otherwise, given the pharmaceutical barren - nothing.

Suffering from panic Lviv and doctors. Not only that patients are now - though dike, and distinguish between "swine flu" of a very widespread at this time ordinary cold in the early stages they are often unable or even panic, and they become infected themselves. After all, doctors are today if not the largest group at risk, and is already in deaths among them.

At the same time several people in Ukraine still does not save at least relative calm - in the first place, thanks also to the rumors. The fact is that

near panic among the people of Lviv rumors circulating, and a kind of "anti-crisis" rumors: they say, all this panic is caused by exclusively through the media that it is - part of the business project of pharmaceutical corporations, and really nothing terrible in "pork" no flu.

With them, of course, will not agree to loved ones of those people whose body has lost its battle with the new virus. But, as in now, no one knows with absolute certainty, many believe, and agree to the following versions.

But even these skeptics, perhaps, will try soon as rarely leave their homes. And how come out, then from respiratory masks not refuse. So now the city of Lviv more remains from the movie-disaster.

sloppy
01-11-2009, 09:07 PM
Sounds just like another ploy to get the publics awareness and fears back on the burner, and the best way to do this is to withold certain information by letting the text out but barring the video, a right royal bunch of twats.

On the part about coughing up blood, this is possible in many different case/diseases or upper respiratory tract infections and if you have a bad enough chest infection you can do it as well.

Why the media blackout in the West then? If the plan is to spread fear, wouldnt it be best to give ridiculous figures on MSM?

breezinreezin
01-11-2009, 09:09 PM
I don't want to be alarmist or paranoid, but I just can't help but wonder that Youtube is down right now, at a time when Ukrainians would want to be uploading helpful information about what is happening there. And the reports of helicopter spraying the cities sound bloody ominous. We need to know, from grass roots reports, what's going on. NOW.

sloppy
01-11-2009, 09:12 PM
I don't want to be alarmist or paranoid, but I just can't help but wonder that Youtube is down right now, at a time when Ukrainians would want to be uploading helpful information about what is happening there. And the reports of helicopter spraying the cities sound bloody ominous. We need to know, from grass roots reports, what's going on. NOW.

Youtubes working fine for me m8, however people are reporting the same thing from other forums.

decim
01-11-2009, 09:15 PM
YT has been intermittently down all afternoon from the UK.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 09:22 PM
Sounds just like another ploy to get the publics awareness and fears back on the burner,

you need anti-biotics 4 plague
coz its a bacterium

lupa
01-11-2009, 09:22 PM
Warning - Has Pneumonic Plague Hit Ukraine?‏ - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

decim
01-11-2009, 09:22 PM
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 09:24 PM
YT has been intermittently down all afternoon from the UK.

been ok 4 me since 17.25 till 19.00 ..

sodi
01-11-2009, 09:26 PM
This is horrible !!

I hope they quarintine it so it doesnt go global

decim
01-11-2009, 09:26 PM
quarantine

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 09:30 PM
I hope they quarintine it so it doesnt go global

so do I..

sloppy
01-11-2009, 09:35 PM
Official statistics can be found here:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moz.gov.ua%2Fua%2Fi%2F

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 09:50 PM
well
it looks like they r gonna get martial law
in Ukraine

where next?

time 2 b ready bng..

cleopatraxxx
01-11-2009, 09:52 PM
A new sales pitch or not, im starting to change my mind and take my chances with any vaccines. It is 50/50 after all.

"05:39 p.m. Doctors are calling on citizens not to vaccinate against influenza, because such vaccination in the midst of the epidemic may injure the health, coordinator of epidemic influenza in Lviv Miron Borysevich claimed at a press conference, proUA.com reports.

"When an outbreak of influenza begins, nobody is being vaccinated. From the point of view of epidemiology this can not be done because it is harmful. It may harm the patient," - he said.

At the same time, doctors advise not to communicate with people who are sick. If you have to contact with sick people, use flu masks."

from one of the reports on page one of the thread. thought that would help to make a decision.

ap12345
01-11-2009, 09:56 PM
This is very worrying, as we have been warned over and over again when they finally bring the hammer down they will forcibly vaccinate people and spray them with aerosol disease from the air while quarantining the city.

Sounds like this is exactly what is happening in Ukraine. :( , sounds like they are getting ready to start spraying us with plague. They will cut off supplies to antibiotics, get them now while you still can.

jiffy
01-11-2009, 10:00 PM
So lets get this right, of a populous of nearly 50 million, 50 people have died from "something" with a couple confirmed as Swine flu.

The fear mongers start screaming Plague with a mortality in the high percentile yet only 50 people dead:rolleyes:

Some threads on here are starting to resemble car crash TV.....wishing the worst and certainly cognitively promoting it:rolleyes:

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_Virus


Marburg virus
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marburg virus or simply Marburg is the common name for the the genus of viruses Marburgvirus, which contains one species, Lake Victoria marburgvirus. The virus causes the disease Marburg Hemorrhagic Fever (MHF), also referred to as Marburg Virus Disease. Marburg originated in Central and East Africa, and infects both human and nonhuman primates. The Marburg Virus is in the same taxonomic family as Ebola, and both are identical structurally although they elicit different antibodies.
Contents
[hide]

* 1 Etymology
* 2 Virology
o 2.1 Structure
o 2.2 Genome
o 2.3 Natural reservoir
* 3 Epidemiology
o 3.1 Prevalence
o 3.2 Transmission
* 4 Medical aspects
o 4.1 Prevention
o 4.2 Symptoms
o 4.3 Diagnosis
o 4.4 Prognosis
o 4.5 Treatment
* 5 History
o 5.1 Early outbreaks
o 5.2 2004-2005 Outbreak in Angola
o 5.3 2007-2008 Uganda cases
o 5.4 2008 United States case
* 6 Weaponization
* 7 Popular culture
* 8 References
* 9 Bibliography
* 10 Further reading
* 11 External links
...

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:03 PM
well
it looks like they r gonna get martial law
in Ukraine

where next?

time 2 b ready bng..

course
now that they know that we know
they wont declare m law in 1 country
until most/all countries r severely weakened..

ap12345
01-11-2009, 10:04 PM
So lets get this right, of a populous of nearly 50 million, 50 people have died from "something" with a couple confirmed as Swine flu.

The fear mongers start screaming Plague with a mortality in the high percentile yet only 50 people dead:rolleyes:

Some threads on here are starting to resemble car crash TV.....wishing the worst and certainly cognitively promoting it:rolleyes:

Did you read the article, they are spraying them with chemtrails saying they are "cleaning the city" this is exactly what we have been warned about. They are infecting them with this mystery disease from the air and quaranteening the city.

jiffy
01-11-2009, 10:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95kX_EP2Nk

cleopatraxxx
01-11-2009, 10:11 PM
This doesn't sound like swine flu to me. (At least not the variety we have here in the UK). Coughing up blood? No wonder they're scratching their heads and blurting out the word 'plague'.
I'm off to research the 1918 pandemic flu - pretty sure I watched a docu/drama on it a few months ago - and almost certain people were coughing up blood.:confused:

in the USA a few children and adults just after receiving the H1N1 shot started coughing up blood! so what is going on here?
to me it is all the same. depopulation with whatevere they come up with to implement the FORCED vaccination and quarantines...

:-(
i fear soon all countries will be headlines everywhere, specially because of those who have been vaccinating.

I would like to make everyone aware, that accordint to videos of the bad effects the swine flu vaccines has been having on the children, who have not been authorized by their parents to be vaccinated/sprayed, still were and that is why these videos exist. SO if i were you, i would avoid sending the kids to school, because they will be sprayed with the nasal h1n1 spray which is the live flu and have the bad consequences as in the reported cases.

H1N1 FluMist ~ the Nasal Spray that Keeps on Giving!

http://www.associatedcontent.com:80/...ge=true&cat=70
Please Be a Responsible User!
Everyone has to be responsible for their own decisions. If you are afraid of catching the H1N1 flu this year. You may be pondering whether to get a flu shot or using the

H1N1 FluMist. The FluMist is administered into your nostrils. Before making your final decision, you may want to ask some questions and think of some consequences to taking the H1N1 FluMist nasal spray.

The H1N1 FluMist is made with "live" virus. This means that the H1N1 flu will be a part of the nasal spray formula. It's supposed to be just enough to start your immunity to build defenses to it. The shot is supposed to be a killed virus.

If you take the H1N1 FluMist, you will in fact become a carrier of the H1N1 flu. Information on this drug states that you can and will shed the virus for up to 21 days. That means as you are visiting with your elderly family members, or shopping in the isles of your grocery store or sitting in church with young children and people with immune problems, YOU are going to be shedding the virus H1N1 germs.

If you are a person that cannot tolerate the shot or the FluMist for the H1N1 flu, you are a sitting duck when it comes to being around people who have taken the FluMist. The use of FluMist is for people ages 2 - 49. How many people do you come into contact each day that don't fit the age range?

Drugs.com says that you should be careful when coming into contact with "FluMist with anyone who has a weak immune system caused by disease (such as cancer, HIV, or AIDS), or by certain medicines such as steroids, cancer chemotherapy, or radiation treatment. A person with a weak immune system can become ill if they have close contact with you after you have recently received a an influenza vaccine." Pregnant women are also on this list of people who should NOT use FluMist.

What happens when anything gets in your nose? You sneeze! Please be a responsible user of the FluMist and cover your face when you sneeze and cough. Remember, you are passing the H1N1 flu germs. The flu is passed from person to person with the sneezing, the coughing and germs from your hands. So if you take FluMist for the H1N1 flu, please practice good hygiene for the rest of us and wash, wash, wash your hands!

If you take the H1N1 FluMist nasal spray, please read up on it. Please ask questions about it. And please be a responsible user of the FluMist. We're all counting on you out here!


and as for the rest of the flu crap thats being pushed down our necks well the word is truly getting out. myself i have been showing everyone the package inserts and i have approached other people that will need to be shown stuff they cant get hold off.

for everyone please keep up the hard work on informing your family and friends because there are still people who havent and cant get the information.beleive it or not, not all people own or have access to the internet.

jiffy
01-11-2009, 10:12 PM
Did you read the article, they are spraying them with chemtrails saying they are "cleaning the city" this is exactly what we have been warned about. They are infecting them with this mystery disease from the air and quaranteening the city.

And have you seen the stats? I have not seen any evidencefor spraying.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:14 PM
"When an outbreak of influenza begins, nobody is being vaccinated. From the point of view of epidemiology this can not be done because it is harmful. It may harm the patient," - he said.


maybe hes saying u cant vaccinate if u r not sure
wot the illness is
or u cant mix this vaccine with plague
as that wd not help..

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:16 PM
They will cut off supplies to antibiotics, get them now while you still can.

yep..

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:19 PM
Marburg Virus - Angola

Marburg Virus - Angola - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us0ovQ1r0Sg&feature=related

bbc 18mins

ap12345
01-11-2009, 10:19 PM
And have you seen the stats? I have not seen any evidencefor spraying.

There are several articles on this thread which mention spraying. What do you want to actually see it? You won't see that until it happens here.

cleopatraxxx
01-11-2009, 10:20 PM
Did you read the article, they are spraying them with chemtrails saying they are "cleaning the city" this is exactly what we have been warned about. They are infecting them with this mystery disease from the air and quaranteening the city.

yes, after reading that i also didn't like the sound of any of it :-(
problem here: what can the people do?
If i was there, i would go outside, get the disease and die in a week. Final stop. i would know i was killed by someone. and all the problems would stop for me personally. in the case of Ukranie there is nothing they can do, the people. :-(
i would not get any vaccine as stated in another article, where POlice has been given the right to go from home-to-home and vaccinate people!

this is worst than World War 2... because it is being done by their own peopleonto their own population! and this is bio-far and it is to enslave us after depopulating half the planet :-(

cleopatraxxx
01-11-2009, 10:21 PM
There are several articles on this thread which mention spraying. What do you want to actually see it? You won't see that until it happens here.

LOL, i am sorry, but we have been spreayed with chemtrails forever. when they start adding the flu into these chemtrails, no one will know the difference. the same lines will be in the air, etc....

:-(

MAD

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

lynfowars
01-11-2009, 10:24 PM
Hark bark to that strange story this August about Joseph Moshe, alleged Mossad Agent specialized in biological warfare, who called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapon that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon it’s release from their laboratory in the Ukraine

ap12345
01-11-2009, 10:24 PM
LOL, i am sorry, but we have been spreayed with chemtrails forever. when they start adding the flu into these chemtrails, no one will know the difference. the same lines will be in the air, etc....

:-(

MAD

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Those are at high altitude, i think they would need to be lower if they wanted to spread disease. Plus it must be pretty obvious for them to admit they were "sanitising the city". Otherwise they would just play dumb like they do with chemtrails.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:26 PM
Behind Ebola Marburg Trailer

Behind Ebola Marburg Trailer - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0n5dLiBJL8&NR=1

sloppy
01-11-2009, 10:27 PM
Im seriously not sure what to make of this. Im hearing conflicting reports but im starting to think this isnt as bad as it sounds.

gilly
01-11-2009, 10:28 PM
Merged a further thread on the same subject, in an effort to contain the information in a single reference point, and prevent duplication. :)

decim
01-11-2009, 10:29 PM
http://www.baxter.com/baxter_worldwide.html#

http://www.baxter.ru/contacts/contacts.html


JSC Company "BAXTER" - Central Office

Representation AO Baxter AG (Switzerland) in Moscow

123007, Moscow, st. Rozanova, 10, p.1

phone +7 (095) 956-38-39

fax: +7 (095) 956-38-40

Russia




JSC Company "BAXTER" - Department of North-West

190044, Saint-Petersburg, Bolshoy prospect Sampson House, 32a, Business Center "Sampson", Office 2A-301

phone +7 (812) 324-86-68

fax: +7 (812) 324-06-34



Russia




JSC Company "BAXTER" - Office "Volga"

4431100, Samara, Lesnaya Str., 11.

phone +7 (8462) 70-68-95

fax: +7 (8462) 70-68-97


Ukraine



Representation AO Baxter AG (Switzerland) in Kiev

Ukraine, 02098 Kiev, Bereznyakovskaya Str., Building 29, 7 th floor, Suite A.

Telephone +38 (044) 496-24-11

fax +38 (044) 496-24-10

Hark bark to that strange story this August about Joseph Moshe, alleged Mossad Agent specialized in biological warfare, who called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapon that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon it’s release from their laboratory in the Ukraine

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:30 PM
LOL, i am sorry, but we have been spreayed with chemtrails forever.

who is WE?

jiffy
01-11-2009, 10:32 PM
There are several articles on this thread which mention spraying. What do you want to actually see it? You won't see that until it happens here.

Hello it's the internet just because a car crash twat writes something doesn't mean it either true or going to happen.

I don't hear anyone scream depopulation, when 5000 kids a day die in Africa from dysentery WHICH IS A FACT unlike your "theories"

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Hello it's the internet just because a car crash twat writes something doesn't mean it either true or going to happen.

I don't hear anyone scream depopulation, when 5000 kids a day die in Africa from dysentery WHICH IS A FACT unlike your "theories"

*screams 'DEPOPULATION'*

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:37 PM
Hello it's the internet just because a car crash twat writes something doesn't mean it either true or going to happen.

I don't hear anyone scream depopulation, when 5000 kids a day die in Africa from dysentery WHICH IS A FACT unlike your "theories"

so
coz africans hav been depopulated 4 yrs
we dont hav a right to be concerned when its happening to us
is that yr argument??

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:40 PM
Hark bark to that strange story this August about Joseph Moshe, alleged Mossad Agent specialized in biological warfare, who called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapon that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon it’s release from their laboratory in the Ukraine

well remembered..

kriss_crow
01-11-2009, 10:45 PM
Not sure it was mentioned here already.
The outbreak date [2-3 days before 1 November?] WAS PLANNED!
Its All Souls' Day.
This is the time when tohousands Poles go to Ukraine to visit their families and
graveyards. You would skip this trip if it was Christmas, but 1 November is
very, very special day and many ppl go there - in spite of risk of infection...

Dont tell me it's another fookin coinidence!! ;[[

neutrino
01-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Right let me get this straight, some microbiologist back in August was arrested in a wacky scene for supposedly calling in a bomb threat against the white house. This guy was supposedly going to blow the lid on a bio weapon being developed for deployment in the Ukraine.

This was all mentioned 3 months ago and now 3 months later there's this epidemic problem in the Ukraine, the place where the guy mentioned.

As far as I'm concerned I do not require any more proof of what it happening. The guy said the bio weapon was a tainted H1N1 Virus with something to do with the previous Spanish flu and also had some kind of other change to it.

brock
01-11-2009, 10:48 PM
Jim Sinclairs countdown ends next sunday

http://jsmineset.com/2009/10/21/thoughts-the-day/

"What markets cannot stand now is a major geopolitical upset where energy is concerned."

Is the energy crisis the Ukraine heating natural gas? They couldn't pay for it last year, this year is probably worse. To add to that the Ukriane is shutting down due to flu sicknesses. Winter is comeing maybe this a cover or preperation for the financial collapse, of Ukraine. Maybe Russia will have to go in to defend their nat gas pipe line.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:50 PM
Not sure it was mentioned here already.
The outbreak date [2-3 days before 1 November?] WAS PLANNED!
Its All Souls' Day.
This is the time when tohousands Poles go to Ukraine to visit their families and
graveyards. You would skip this trip if it was Christmas, but 1 November is
very, very special day and many ppl go there - in spite of risk of infection...

Dont tell me it's another fookin coinidence!! ;[[

so they will bring it into Poland
how convenient
then evry1 travelling at Xmas
yippee..

ap12345
01-11-2009, 10:51 PM
I'm just glad this is just a ride, or i would be fooking scared. :D

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:52 PM
Jim Sinclairs countdown ends next sunday

http://jsmineset.com/2009/10/21/thoughts-the-day/

"What markets cannot stand now is a major geopolitical upset where energy is concerned."


oh well
we better hav europe-wide
martial law then..

decim
01-11-2009, 10:53 PM
Horrorwitz

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

cheeb
01-11-2009, 10:53 PM
The would-be bomber, Joseph Moshe
Wed, 08/19/2009 - 21:16

The would-be bomber, Joseph Moshe, called into the Dr True Ott Show on Republic Broadcasting
and said he was a microbiologist who wanted to hand over evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 vaccines being produced by Baxter pharmaceutical.

He claimed that that Baxter’s lab in the Ukraine was in fact preparing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine.

He maintained that the vaccine contained both adjuvants designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 global pandemic.
That’s it. He made no threat against Obama, nor said anything about bombs or any attack.
The following day he was hauled out of his red VW beetle by a SWAT team and arrested.
He was immediately extradited to Israel, where he has dual-citizenship, and hasn’t been heard from since.
All this talk portraying him as being a rightwing nutcase is disinformation designed to keep his disturbing comments from alarming the public."

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5576/josephmoshe.jpg

Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more.
Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House

Bar-Joseph Moshe made no threat against the President or the White House.
He did not mention any bomb or attack.
He then proceeded to inform the White House he intended to go public with this information.
When he noticed men in suits in front of his house and feared that the FBI was about to detain him,
he packed some belongings into his car and, him being a dual Israeli citizen,
tried to reach the Israeli consulate located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place.
The FBI and the bomb squad prevented him from reaching it.

http://www.truthout.org/081409D

Who is this man? His profile on biomedexperts.com says he is a plant disease expert with many publications on his name involving the genetic manipulation of virii.

Baxter Pharmaceutical

Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world,
destined to be used for human vaccinations.
This happened just a few months ago.
And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions.

Baxter International Inc. had mixed live, genetically engineered avian flue viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries.

Only by sheer luck, a Czech laboratory decided to test the vaccine on a dozen ferrets, which all died in days.

The World Health Organization was notified and catastrophe was averted.

This was clearly a deliberate act on Baxter’s part, because they adhere to BS3, bio-safety level three.
Baxter admitted a “mistake”.
Such monumental screwups are totally impossible at that level. Many safety systems would have needed to be sabotaged, many key personell would have needed to be bribed.
It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside.

They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”.

Baxter knew full well that their vaccine was lethal, because the year before they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result.

:eek:

flip side
01-11-2009, 10:54 PM
Jim Sinclairs countdown ends next sunday

http://jsmineset.com/2009/10/21/thoughts-the-day/

"What markets cannot stand now is a major geopolitical upset where energy is concerned."

Is the energy crisis the Ukraine heating natural gas? They couldn't pay for it last year, this year is probably worse. To add to that the Ukriane is shutting down due to flu sicknesses. Winter is comeing maybe this a cover or preperation for the financial collapse, of Ukraine. Maybe Russia will have to go in to defend their nat gas pipe line.

Good observation there brock, very interesting mate.

breezinreezin
01-11-2009, 10:54 PM
I just got off the phone with my dad, who is in southern Ukraine, and he said that people are in euphoria. My mom just got over a terrible case of flu with 40C/104F temperature, and he could not even find anything in the drugstores to help her fever... he had to go the "black market way" through his connections to find some intra-venous drugs to lower her temperature.

She's feeling much better now, but the point is that all of a sudden there are no basic flu medication? Since when?

I can tell you my understanding on what's going on, since I've seen and heard much of bullshit in my lifetime... I lived through Soviet Union propaganda myself, but never ever in my life there was a case when the towns were guaranteed. We've had some pretty bad flu outbreaks before, and sure the schools were closing down, but nothing of sort what's going on right now.

Here's my understanding from the Geopolitical perspective. There needs to be a euphoria so people would not pay attention to the rapid political and economic changes that are about to take place. The people need to be shaking in their boots - locked up in their homes, much like people of Ukraine right now are glued to their televisions.... and sucking all of the propaganda in.

On top of that, there needs to be an example to the entire world of "this is gonna happen to you".

And lastly, there needs to be a scapegoat for the coming economic collapse and heavy regulation of everything... and this seems to be it.

Thanks for that. It's always better to get a report from someone who has contacts in the country. Maybe this is a precursor to the final financial meltdown.

andyh
01-11-2009, 10:56 PM
I'm just glad this is just a ride, or i would be fooking scared. :D

It's not just a ride if the depopulation figures bandied about by Icke and Jones are correct. It's something everyone should take seriously as Genocide is an affront to God/Universe imho.
I'm reserving judgement for what's going on in Ukraine for the moment mind. I'd like to know if this virus has been sequenced yet.

ap12345
01-11-2009, 10:57 PM
Lets be honest with ourselves, we all knew it was coming to this...now we have to deal with it. The important thing is when it hits these shores we let everyone know the truth of why they are dieing. We are soon going to have nothing left to loose...

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 10:58 PM
i think theyve realised the world economy
is gonna crash
and they hadnt prepared 4 it
so they r goin nuts on this
to keep our attention away fm it
/will create a martial law sitn b4 it happens
coz if it duz crash
the whole NWO Hitler conspiracy thingy is blown wide open..

lynfowars
01-11-2009, 10:58 PM
My head is spinning with this I don't know what the hell is going on now.

Err on the side of caution. Make sure you have a good food store and water/filters and some kind of means of warning off roving chav gangs and other thieves who will go house-to-house during any lockdown or other reasons (disease) that takes cops out of the picture.

For the vast majority of disarmed Brits, that means get a crossbow and broad-head arrows now. Don't wait any longer. As a deterrent, when pointed at you a hunting crossbow is even more intimidating than a shotgun and well worth having...

neutrino
01-11-2009, 11:01 PM
stop crying your heart out - oasis - lyrics - YouTube

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Jim Sinclairs countdown ends next sunday


wot duz that mean?

ap12345
01-11-2009, 11:02 PM
It's not just a ride if the depopulation figures bandied about by Icke and Jones are correct. It's something everyone should take seriously as Genocide is an affront to God/Universe imho.
I'm reserving judgement for what's going on in Ukraine for the moment mind. I'd like to know if this virus has been sequenced yet.

Agreed, but what we need concern ourselves with is not the survival of our bodies, but the improvement of our environment and experience. As this, is what the whole conspiracy is built on. imho

cleopatraxxx
01-11-2009, 11:03 PM
Those are at high altitude, i think they would need to be lower if they wanted to spread disease. Plus it must be pretty obvious for them to admit they were "sanitising the city". Otherwise they would just play dumb like they do with chemtrails.

good observation
Thank you

kriss_crow
01-11-2009, 11:10 PM
so they will bring it into Poland
how convenient
then evry1 travelling at Xmas
yippee..

No doubts of it.
There is several thousand Poles today exposed to "new virus" who will bring it back
to their homes in Poland.
This week we gonna read reports from Poland...

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:10 PM
I'd like to know if this virus has been sequenced yet.

how long wd that take?

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:12 PM
The important thing is when it hits these shores we let everyone know the truth of why they are dieing.

we will act b4 then
i wd hope..

andyh
01-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Agreed, but what we need concern ourselves with is not the survival of our bodies, but the improvement of our environment and experience. As this, is what the whole conspiracy is built on. imho

Agreed. Not getting killed will help :)

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:15 PM
Jim Sinclairs countdown ends next sunday


hes saying world economy will collapse then
correct??

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:17 PM
Agreed, but what we need concern ourselves with is not the survival of our bodies, but the improvement of our environment and experience. As this, is what the whole conspiracy is built on. imho

erm
no
i think what we need concern ourselves with IS the survival of our bodies
sorry to disagree..

sloppy
01-11-2009, 11:17 PM
we will act b4 then
i wd hope..

I think this may be less serious than first thought. It just isnt adding up and the more 'extreme' reports are seeming to be false. Im really not sure i think im going to wait a few days and see what happens. Just my opinion and it keeps swaying in different directions. :confused:

Could just be the Ukranions panicking over the spread of the normal swine flu? 'As the temperature drops the rate the flu spreads increases', can any science buff confirm that? Why havent we seen such a hyped up swine flu spread elsewhere?

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:20 PM
if Ukraine contains it
we wait

if it starts spreading fast
its time to move..

andyh
01-11-2009, 11:21 PM
Well, I can't see it being Marburg as in earlier posts, media hype there.
If it is then there would be a lot more than 50 dead by now....if anything like Ebola ever became pandemic we'd be kissing our tails goodbye.

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:23 PM
I think this may be less serious than first thought. It just isnt adding up and the more 'extreme' reports are seeming to be false. Im really not sure i think im going to wait a few days and see what happens. Just my opinion and it keeps swaying in different directions. :confused:

Could just be the Ukranions panicking over the spread of the normal swine flu? 'As the temperature drops the rate the flu spreads increases', can any science buff confirm that?

if it is plague/marburg (mabus)/whatever
not swine flu (which we obviously arent buying)
ie they r actually spreading sth really deadly

the most logical thing for them
to do now
wd b 2 shut down the i.net

sicksoldier
01-11-2009, 11:24 PM
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

What i find odd about this clip is at 00:58 the clip shows the doctor with a face mask on but it isnt covering his nose? hmm wtf if this is swine flu or plague shouldnt he have it over his nose as well.

Maybe being picky but would u be so lax.

ap12345
01-11-2009, 11:25 PM
erm
no
i think what we need concern ourselves with IS the survival of our bodies
sorry to disagree..

you fail to see that i esacxtly what the conspiracy is built on. You cannot die, you only believe you can, we allow abohrant acts to continue to save our own skins rather than to improve our environment and experience.

Thats the whole trick of the world, we think we are winning by surviving a while longer but we are actually just sentencing ourselves to living over and over again in a world full of this ****

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:26 PM
if it is plague/marburg (mabus)/whatever
not swine flu (which we obviously arent buying)
ie they r actually spreading sth really deadly

the most logical thing for them
to do now
wd b 2 shut down the i.net

coz over nxt few days we will get reports
of wots happenin in Ukrn
which will tell us wots happenin

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:27 PM
coz over nxt few days we will get reports
of wots happenin in Ukrn
which will tell us wots happenin

and so long as we know wots happenin
we know wot action 2 take..

jiffy
01-11-2009, 11:29 PM
you fail to see that i esacxtly what the conspiracy is built on. You cannot die, you only believe you can, we allow abohrant acts to continue to save our own skins rather than to improve our environment and experience.

Thats the whole trick of the world, we think we are winning by surviving a while longer but we are actually just sentencing ourselves to living over and over again in a world full of this ****

At last someone with an understanding:D



hence my link to Bill Hicks "its just a ride"

decim
01-11-2009, 11:30 PM
And to the UK.

No doubts of it.
There is several thousand Poles today exposed to "new virus" who will bring it back
to their homes in Poland.
This week we gonna read reports from Poland...

jesuitsdidit
01-11-2009, 11:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhM6YQZdEbQ

Ukraine PLAGUE could be Marburg virus. PROOF Marburg was created in a lab. Tested in Africa first?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhM6YQZdEbQ&feature=player_embedded

this video at 0.06
he says hes heard alot of ppl say
wots in Ukrn is v similar 2 marburg..

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 12:01 AM
Well, I can't see it being Marburg as in earlier posts, media hype there.
If it is then there would be a lot more than 50 dead by now....if anything like Ebola ever became pandemic we'd be kissing our tails goodbye.

how do u know the numbers released r correct?

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 12:02 AM
sorry
i just had 2 do an update
bak now..

actually
my computer decided to update
i didnt hav much to do with it.. :o

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 12:08 AM
What i find odd about this clip is at 00:58 the clip shows the doctor with a face mask on but it isnt covering his nose? hmm wtf if this is swine flu or plague shouldnt he have it over his nose as well.

1 he may hav had a 'good' swine flu jab iwc hes covered
2 if its plague, he may not know this at this stage
3 if he knew it was plague he'd probably be in a suit
4 they often do that for comfort..

cleopatraxxx
02-11-2009, 12:11 AM
No doubts of it.
There is several thousand Poles today exposed to "new virus" who will bring it back
to their homes in Poland.
This week we gonna read reports from Poland...

and with so many Polish people travelling up and down into the UK.... i wonder how long will it take them to infect us with this PLAGUE? :(

:(:(:(:(:(:(

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 12:12 AM
Thats the whole trick of the world, we think we are winning by surviving a while longer but we are actually just sentencing ourselves to living over and over again in a world full of this ****

no
a world full of this ****
is not the natural order
the reason its a world full of this ****
is bcoz
its being run by a bunch of loonies
once they r gone
it will no longer be
a world full of this ****

ok?

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 12:13 AM
At last someone with an understanding:D

wot about me??

andyh
02-11-2009, 12:17 AM
how do u know the numbers released r correct?

I don't. I can assume however that the figure of 50 would be missing a few zeroes, there would be absolute pandemonium and Poland would sure as hell not leave the border open.
There's no way you could confuse a haemmoragic fever for flu. The skin sags, internal organs liquify....there is nothing more horrific afaik.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 12:17 AM
and with so many Polish people travelling up and down into the UK.... i wonder how long will it take them to infect us with this PLAGUE? :(

:(:(:(:(:(:(

ptb can release it wherever they want
they just use migration as an excuse..

amethyst
02-11-2009, 12:18 AM
It's a sort of "putting their pinky's in the air to see how the wind is blowing" type of thing that the elite are doing.....testing the waters so to speak....that's what's happening in the Ukraine.

voynich
02-11-2009, 12:24 AM
Not sure if this has been posted but its worth reading and listening to the first audio link.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/homeland_security_patriot_act_fema/news.php?q=1251230792

Joseph Moshe said in August 2009 that bioweapons would be being released in the Ukraine.

cleopatraxxx
02-11-2009, 12:33 AM
ptb can release it wherever they want
they just use migration as an excuse..

i agree, i know, when i commneted what i did was exactly having that in mind... TNX anyway jesuitsdidit

wakeup2nwo
02-11-2009, 12:36 AM
H1N1 Doctor Deaths In Ukraine Raise Concerns

Recombinomics Commentary 22:22
November 1, 2009
Four doctors died of flu in Ukraine's Ternopol and Lvov regions, Health Minister Vasily Knyazevich said at the Sunday meeting of the operative headquarters for the prevention and treatment of A/H1N1 flu.

The above comments describe the death of four health care workers (HCWs) at two sites in western Ukraine. The government website shows a total of 53 deaths (see map), which is quite low if four HCWs have already died. HCW are trained in methods to minimize infections from parents, and they are likely to get prompt medical attention, yet four have already died. These numbers add to the confusion in Ukraine.

Initial reports denied the outbreak was due to H1N1 even though there was virtually no seasonal flu circulating in Europe (or North America). The explosion in cases of acute respiratory illness (ARI), in view of the exploding H1N1 pandemic throughout the northern hemisphere, would signal involvement in the cases in Ukraine.

However, even after H1N1 was confirmed in influenza and ARI patients in western Ukraine, Kiev was still maintaining that the cases there were not H1N1, even though 300,000 doses of Tamiflu are scheduled to arrive today, and a WHO investigative team is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

The denials of H1N1 in obvious cases raise concerns that the number of fatalities is markedly higher that the 53 acknowledged, especially when 4 of the 53 are HCWs.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11010902/Ukraine_HCW.html

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 12:38 AM
i agree, i know, when i commneted what i did was exactly having that in mind... TNX anyway jesuitsdidit

you didnt answer my qu about who WE are..

steevo
02-11-2009, 12:42 AM
Not sure if this has been posted but its worth reading and listening to the first audio link.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/homeland_security_patriot_act_fema/news.php?q=1251230792

Joseph Moshe said in August 2009 that bioweapons would be being released in the Ukraine.

Thanks for posting. That audio file (Project Camelot interviewing Dr. Bill Deagle) does seem to tally with what is going on right now.
It seems that the PTB have started the ball rolling now.
I am still wondering though if these stories are ALL just scare stories in order to get us to accept the vaccines. But I think that Deagle said that they were putting the virus in the vaccines as well as spreading it other ways too - I am still listening to the interview at the moment.

Edit : Is Bill Deagle his REAL name ? Sounds alot like "bald eagle"

wakeup2nwo
02-11-2009, 12:50 AM
this is very interesting, somone mensiond somthing about this a few pages back!


Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned his Swedish counterpart Fredrik Reinfeldt, rotating president of the European Union (EU), Sunday that that there may be problems in transit of Russian gas to Europe.

In a telephone conversation, Putin urged EU attention to possible problems in Ukraine's payment for Russian gas, news agencies quoted the Russian government's press office as saying.

'Thus, problems may arise in transit of Russian gas to Europe via Ukraine,' said the press office, Xinhua reported.

Putin was reassured by Reinfeldt, whose country currently holds the rotating EU presidency, that he would notify the European Commission of Russia's concerns.

On Friday, Putin had held a telephone conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart Yulia Tymoshenko over the issue, saying that 'it seems we are again seeing problems with the payment of our energy supplies (from Ukraine).'

Russia supplies a quarter of EU's gas needs, with 80 percent of it pumped through Ukrainian pipelines. The energy supplier cut off gas shipments to Ukraine for nearly two weeks in January over disputes on pricing and transition fees.

http://story.irishsun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/2411cd3571b4f088/id/560859/cs/1/

cleopatraxxx
02-11-2009, 01:07 AM
Not sure if this has been posted but its worth reading and listening to the first audio link.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/homeland_security_patriot_act_fema/news.php?q=1251230792

Joseph Moshe said in August 2009 that bioweapons would be being released in the Ukraine.

that was a very interesting read voynich! your nickname certainly sounds russian, hehehe. I am sad to know about this info of the plague occuring in Ukraine and God help us all if this MOSHE's story is right, that he was wanting to warn the media of a bio threat. fact is, right now Ukraine has become the first city to have this "unknown" plague.
THANK YOU for the info again.

Cleo

wakeup2nwo
02-11-2009, 01:09 AM
Financial Times: IMF warns Ukraine on aid

Roman Olearchyk wrote:

The International Monetary Fund has warned that it could cut financial assistance to Ukraine, one of the world’s most recession hit economies, after the country veered “off track” by adopting populist wage and pension increases.

The warning came after Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine’s president, on Friday signed the increases into law, ignoring warnings from the IMF and Yulia Tymoshenko, his prime minister and bitter rival. The standoff is rooted in a rivalry between Ukraine’s political leaders ahead of a hotly contested presidential election to be held in January.

Fears loom that such cut-throat rivalries could plunge Ukraine, a country where European banks hold a 40 per cent market share and where the west has jostled with Russia for influence, into a financial meltdown ahead of the elections."

Click below to read report.

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b940247e-c6e4-11de-bb6f-00144feab49a.html

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 01:35 AM
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110192&sectionid=3510212


Southeast Asia, India swarming with dengue fever
Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:45:16 GMT

The number of cases infected with the mosquito borne virus, dengue fever, is increasing in many parts of Southeast Asia and India.

Dengue fever, also known as break-bone fever, is an infectious disease transmitted through the bite of infected Aedes mosquitos in tropical and sub-tropical areas of the world.

The disease, characterized by severe joint and muscle pain, is not transmitted from human to human.

Indian health officials announced on Sunday that the total number of those affected by dengue disease in New Delhi has jumped to 366, stressing that the total toll is yet much lower than 1,070 cases recorded the same time last year.

"The confirmed cases of dengue are 366 so far. The city has witnessed two deaths due to dengue this season," Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD) health officials told PTI, adding that some fourteen cases had tested positive for the disease in the national capital on Sunday.

Higher temperature due to low rainfalls during the monsoon is believed to reduce the breeding of mosquitoes, hence lowering the number of infected cases.

While 190 cases including 3 deaths have so far been detected in the Philippines, Vietnam officials are concerned about a possible large-scale outbreak in the country.

According to Vietnamese officials, some 72,155 including 58 deaths dengue fever cases have already been identified, suggesting a 7.1 percent increase from the same period last year.

Despite the increasing number of these cases, authorities claim the situation is under control and there is no need for panic.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 01:37 AM
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110029


Putin: Ukraine may fail to pay for gas, again
Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:00:21 GMT

As tension between Moscow and Kiev escalates, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin says Ukraine could again have problems paying for Russian gas.

"It seems we are again having problems with the payment of our energy supplies (from Ukraine) which is extremely sad," Putin said, after talking with his Ukrainian counterpart Yulia Tymoshenko over the phone.

He suggested that Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has been blocking energy payments, after the European Union failed to give Kiev the money it had promised to ease gas problems.

"The European Union has not given money to Ukraine," Putin said at a meeting with his governing United Russia party. "Not a single cent, not a single hryvnia."

Moscow cut off its gas supplies to Ukraine and subsequently to a number of European countries in January, after Russian and Ukrainian leaders failed to reach an agreement on the price of natural gas.

Russia provides about a quarter of the natural gas consumed in the European Union. The latest Moscow-Kiev episode raises the possibility of new supply interruptions to Europe this winter.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 01:40 AM
many Ukrainians were killed by Stalin
s o said 20 million
Stalin, like Hitler was a ptb creation
more papal crusades against the Orthodox heretics??

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 01:42 AM
Not sure if this has been posted but its worth reading and listening to the first audio link.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/homeland_security_patriot_act_fema/news.php?q=1251230792

Joseph Moshe said in August 2009 that bioweapons would be being released in the Ukraine.

he says they'll make a bank holiday b4 the crash..

steevo
02-11-2009, 02:02 AM
October 10 2009

Ukraine 1-0 England

arty2000
02-11-2009, 02:13 AM
I'm just glad this is just a ride, or i would be fooking scared. :D

:D,,so very true

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:20 AM
I'm just glad this is just a ride, or i would be fooking scared. :D

wow
you like hairy rides..

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:27 AM
this is a warning to all right-minded people

a total collapse of the world economic system looks possible

do not be alarmed
it will only be a problem
if ptb r able to use it to their advantage

assuming they dont/cant
its good news
coz it means we'll b able to sweep out these crooks
and start afresh
but it might be a bit hairy..

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 03:04 AM
re my computer updating
wot actually happened is
it kept asking me to update
n i kept saying wait
finally i accidentally pressed wrong button
and it went into update mode
without any option to stop
so
i didnt resist..

icarus
02-11-2009, 07:35 AM
The link with Baxter/Israel is key and confirms what many of us believe about that despicable nation. Joseph Moshe was bundled away to Israel and seems to have been suppressed.

Ukraine is infested with Zionists and Russia forced it out of South Ossetia only last year, which upset the usual suspects.

There is a politcal aspect to all of this, not least Ukraine seeking NATO membership, another Zionist/Neocon threat to Russia, a country that is fully aware of the real threat to the world.

I would not be too surprised to see this outbreak blamed on Russia in the coming days and weeks.

By deception do war, and Zionists rarely attack head on.

lupa
02-11-2009, 12:39 PM
bump

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:14 PM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b940247e-c6e4-11de-bb6f-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1


IMF warns Ukraine on aid

By Roman Olearchyk in Kiev

Published: November 1 2009 16:11 | Last updated: November 1 2009 16:11

The International Monetary Fund has warned that it could cut financial assistance to Ukraine, one of the world’s most recession hit economies, after the country veered “off track” by adopting populist wage and pension increases.

The warning came after Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine’s president, on Friday signed the increases into law, ignoring warnings from the IMF and Yulia Tymoshenko, his prime minister and bitter rival. The standoff is rooted in a rivalry between Ukraine’s political leaders ahead of a hotly contested presidential election to be held in January.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the IMF head, said he was “very worried” over Mr Yushchenko’s decision to sign the bill. Almost $11bn in IMF assistance received since the global financial crisis broke has kept Kiev afloat financially. The IMF is mulling whether to disburse an additional $3.8bn (€2.6bn, Ł2.3bn) in November. It is seen as crucial to keeping Kiev stable in coming months, but Mr Strauss-Kahn said the 20 per cent wage and pension increases should be cancelled first.

Kiev found its finances stretched to the limit this year amid an 18 per cent drop in gross domestic product. The increases would cost an additional $10bn in expenditures, which government officials say simply do not exist in state coffers.

Ms Tymoshenko has accused Mr Yushchenko and other presidential candidates, including Viktor Yanukovich, of backing the increase to sabotage her government. Ms Tymoshenko’s supporters said her opponents hope to derail IMF co-operation and plunge Ukraine deeper into crisis, thereby undercutting her presidential bid.

Ms Tymoshenko’s opponents have accused the IMF of being soft on her government in dolling out bailout aid despite lacklustre efforts to adopt reforms.

Fears loom that such cut-throat rivalries could plunge Ukraine, a country where European banks hold a 40 per cent market share and where the west has jostled with Russia for influence, into a financial meltdown ahead of the elections.

On Friday, Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, warned that a repeat of last January’s natural gas crisis could break out between both countries, once again cutting off supplies for Europe. Mr Putin, himself on friendly terms with Ms Tymoshenko, pointed the blame on Mr Yushchenko. He accused him of “blocking the transfer of funds” needed to pay for imported Russian gas.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
Ukraine braced for swine flu outbreak - Nov-01
IMF tells Ukraine to veto pay rises - Oct-25
Ukraine pulls IMF into bitter domestic rivalry - Sep-17
Fear of new Europe gas crisis - Sep-13
Ukraine central bank official resigns - Sep-11
Russia accuses Ukraine on Georgia conflict - Aug-24

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:35 PM
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/48530/


Financial Times: Ukraine central bank official resigns
September 12 at 12:24
Roman Olearchyk writes: A corruption investigation and a high-level resignation are threatening to plunge Ukraine's central bank into turmoil, undermining Kiev's ability to stabilise its currency and pull out of a deep recession. Oleksandr Savchenko, deputy head of Ukraine's National Bank, the central bank, resigned yesterday, accusing colleagues of pursuing failed monetary policies and of co-conspiring in "currency speculation" deals that broke trust in Ukraine's hryvnia, causing it to plunge.
cont

link to FT art - Ukraine central bank official resigns

it used 2 b the case u cd only access 5 ft articles per month without registering
dont know if still true, not checked recently

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:38 PM
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51668/


Death toll from viral pneumonia in Ivano-Frankivsk region rises to 12
Today at 11:07 | Interfax-Ukraine

The number of those who have died from viral pneumonia in Ivano-Frankivsk region has increased to 12 people, Governor Mykola Paliychuk has said.

"Twelve deaths have been registered," he said at a briefing on Monday.

He also said that 35,000 people are in hospital, and 52 of them are in intensive care units.

He said that 11 more people had recently been admitted to intensive care units.

As reported, ten people have died of viral pneumonia in Ivano-Frankivsk region as of November 1 since the start of the outbreak.

picPeople in Kyiv are wearing face masks to protect themselves from contracting flu on October 31, 2009.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:40 PM
more arts Nation

http://www.kyivpost.com/


Health ministry: Sixty-seven people die of flu in Ukraine Today at 14:45

EU closely monitoring situation with gas supplies via Ukraine Today at 14:17

Premier asks National Bank of Ukraine to draw up list of banks to credit medicine and medical equipment production Today at 14:13

Foreign ministry: Ukraine soon to receive 200,000 doses of Tamiflu Today at 14:11

Ukraine has 22 confirmed cases of swine flu Today at 13:11

Tymoshenko: Panic over flu is 'groundless' Today at 12:53

Transport Ministry introduces anti-flu measures in public transport Today at 12:46

Ukraine to buy additional 700,000 doses of Tamiflu from Swiss producer Today at 12:43

Fitch forecasts 16 percent drop in gross domestic product Today at 12:12

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:43 PM
more arts Opinion

http://www.kyivpost.com/


Moscow Times opinion: The leader of the CIS is lonely and weak Yesterday at 20:26

Political sabotage October 29 at 21:30

Modern art or trash? It is sometimes hard to tell October 29 at 21:24

West should not give in to Russian threat October 29 at 21:19

Vox Populi with Kateryna Grushenko October 29 at 21:15

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:46 PM
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51660/


picPresident Victor Yushchenko says nation "will be able to deal with this disaster." Presidential press service

Yushchenko addresses nation, journalists about flu epidemic
Today at 08:23

Obviously we are facing a difficult situation and today the effective assessment, accurate information on the sickness rate in not only the three regions but in the whole of Ukraine is an important issue.

I have instructed the Minister for Health to develop a unified database, to prepare the official statistics, which would in real time inform primarily the Ministry of Health, the Prime Minister and the Government on the situation with the epidemic in all regions of Ukraine. Unfortunately there was no such database before today. We need to conduct the cumulative, effective monitoring.

We have a Flu Center, which employs only one person.

My request of May to the Prime Minister to allocate funds to establish a lab, to "arm" us in the situation, when the world is smitten by the epidemic of this flu, to date has not been answered. That is why only one person is working in the Flu Center. This is the center, which is supposed to conduct monitoring in whole of Ukraine, the center, which operates under the auspices of the Ministry for Health and of the Government. I have addressed the Prime Minister with the request to urgently allocate appropriate funds - 50 million hryvnyas for the center to function.

So, the first question is the fullness of the information and establishment of full control over spreading of respiratory desists over the territory of Ukraine, the regime of real informing of the public per region and the country as the whole.

Separately I have instructed Regional Administrations to established info-centers for the population of every region to avoid panic or disinformation.

Question number two, which I think is the result of failures in the question number one, particularly the failure to establish the Flu Center, is determining the type of the virus. Today only one thing pulls the Health Ministry and effective system of actions back – determining the type of the virus. In many cases this question remains unanswered. There are even experts, who suppose it is another modified virus - the differentiated virus between the "bird flu" and the "pig flu". But only the operative analysis would answer that. The flu, which the risk group is suffering from, should be identified.

Yesterday I have instructed the Ministry of Health to formulate and present to the meeting of the Government a real action plan, which the entire government team, all local authorities and local government are to be guided by. That means the Ministry should review the national pandemic plan and, taking into account current challenges, to bind it to specific territories and Ukraine in general. The Health Ministry should clearly formulate mandatory recommendations that should guide the citizens of Ukraine, specialists and experts.

Further – be it premises restrictions, or the introduction of quarantine restrictions, or preventive measures, or vaccination, or isolation - it should be a part of a single national Ukrainian plan, which I hope I will hear at today's extraordinary session of the NSDC dedicated to the issue. The plan should include a set of quarantine measures and I will get an expert opinion on the measures already undertaken by the Government. Whether they are sufficient, or whether the process should be developed and extended. The measures we are to apply at the border, the procedure of citizens’ and transport movement between the areas. The supervision over full provision of the population with remedies. And if something is missing, buying and allocating it to the appropriate health care facilities. Providing medical departments with the number of beds necessary in case of the worst possible scenarios. I have instructed the Minister of Defense to mobilize all operational mobile hospitals so they could be deployed tomorrow in the areas, where they are needed the most.

The supply of medicines that we currently have allows us to provide help to all those in need. I have addressed international institutions and partner countries so if the situation develops in such a manner and with such dynamics that it would threaten our capabilities, we will certainly get the required amount of drugs needed for treatment and prevention. At present the required number of medicines has been distributed to the affected people - this is the latest report of the Health Minister.

I am sure we will be able to deal with this disaster.

I would like to separately address you, dear journalists, because objective and responsible information, I think, helps the country and specialists to deal with this problem. So I ask you to refrain from agitating the country with unverified information and from using the information of dubious nature and the information that is untrue. More than ever before we now must be Ukrainians, help the nation with full responsibility to meet this problem, have a single national plan, support each other. Obviously, in the next couple of days we will assess why the epidemic was more acute in Ukraine than in any other country of European community.

Full Ukrainian text can be read here.

americana
02-11-2009, 02:48 PM
I would love for that to be true but i have some friends in the Ukraine and it really is looking bad over there. Euphoria is taking hold and i am being told people are 'fleeing' to Poland. I dont mean to scaremonger but im pretty sure this has something to do with the vaccine but not your meaning of it.

I will post the russian news websites soon and you can do the translations yourselves.

Thanks for your updates. By euphoria, I think you mean "Hysteria". Euphoria means incredible happiness. I think you mean overwhelming fear. Perhaps Hysteria would be the word, or fear, as hysteria sort of implicates it's "in someone's head", psychological.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 02:53 PM
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51660/


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frase
02-11-2009, 03:02 PM
Jesus...This is scary.....
Fucking unbelievable.

hoverfly
02-11-2009, 03:26 PM
Jesus...This is scary.....
Fucking unbelievable.

Please, engage brain before posting. :)

It helps to be constructive, or at least have a point to your posting.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 04:03 PM
http://www.kyivpost.com/forum/read.php?1,12


Ukraine Lab Disquising Bioweapon As Vaccine
Posted by: amianonymous
Date: November 02, 2009 10:24AM

BaxterВ’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine...

why hasn't the Kiev Post followed this story?

http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that BaxterВ’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.

decim
02-11-2009, 05:02 PM
1000's diagnosed with different respiratory illnesses, threat to national security, rapidly rising death toll, appeal for international assistance.

Ukraine Swine Flu Epidemic Nov 2 - YouTube

duckandcover
02-11-2009, 05:06 PM
Still nothing on UK media about this , sky news website breaking news is mr potato-head and coleen have had a baby :rolleyes: woopee-fcukin-do :o

phantom
02-11-2009, 05:08 PM
spiral_out Have you found any recording of the broadcast?

Yes, sorry for the delay, been busy.

You can watch the short video here (http://posterous.brentwoodblogged.com/police-standoff-with-red-volkswagen-bug-near)

WESTWOOD -- A man accused of making threats against the White House was taken into custody Thursday after an 8 hour standoff with police outside the Federal Building.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan identified the suspect as Joseph Moshe, 56, of Los Angeles.

After several refusals to surrender to officials, Moshe withstood four rounds of tear gas tossed through his car window before officers fired a taser gun at him

graflok
02-11-2009, 05:37 PM
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Or link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHKAZzlvUo

steevo
02-11-2009, 05:47 PM
1000's diagnosed with different respiratory illnesses, threat to national security, rapidly rising death toll, appeal for international assistance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBxENVujA3A

That SUPPOSEDLY Russian channel is a bloody clone of the MSM that we have in Britain/America. I think that the PTB run Russia too. The people EVERYWHERE need to wake up.

spiral_out
02-11-2009, 05:52 PM
ariel

Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.[/COLOR]


spiral_out

Yes, sorry for the delay, been busy.

You can watch the short video here (http://posterous.brentwoodblogged.com/police-standoff-with-red-volkswagen-bug-near)

WESTWOOD -- A man accused of making threats against the White House was taken into custody Thursday after an 8 hour standoff with police outside the Federal Building.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan identified the suspect as Joseph Moshe, 56, of Los Angeles.

After several refusals to surrender to officials, Moshe withstood four rounds of tear gas tossed through his car window before officers fired a taser gun at him

I meant a quote of the broadcasting where supposedly Joseph called in weeks ago to Dr. True Ott and was talking about a new virus being created in Ukraine. There's this mention that he was on that broadcast but I haven't found any evidence of it. :confused:

jacobucci
02-11-2009, 06:14 PM
Playing the part of a contrarian and assuming the truth as being the opposite of what is presented by the MSM...

Aerosol spraying of metals (chemtrails) was presented as a deterrent to global warming.

Then the idea was presented in a History Channel program that HAARP was being used in conjunction with the aerosol spraying in an attempt to create global warming (which fortunately coincided with a solar cooling cycle) and was enacted in the work up to the carbon-tax agenda being introduced.

I think it was always in the back of the minds of many that aerosol spraying could be used to release a pathogen or virus into the atmosphere.

So, playing the contrarian; if the story is being put out “that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a swine flu pandemic in Ukraine” – the spraying could be to create a pandemic in the campaign to get people to take the vaccination and bolster the position of an ‘international’ health authority.

itsallundercontrol
02-11-2009, 07:08 PM
Excerpt from the w.h.o website on the ukraine situation
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_01/en/index.html

The situation is quickly changing with increasingly high levels of acute respiratory illness (ARI)/Influenza-like-illness (ILI) activity being observed in Ternopil, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, and Chernivtsi regions. The higher levels of transmission in these regions corresponds to an increased number of hospital admissions and fatalities associated with severe manifestations of acute respiratory illness.

As of 30 October 2009, over 2,300 individuals have been admitted to hospital, including over 1,100 children. One hundred and thirty one (131) cases have required intensive care, including 32 children. As of 31 October 2009, a total of 38 fatalities associated with severe manifestations of ARI have been registered. Preliminary epidemiological data analysis indicates that severe cases and deaths primarily occur among previously healthy young adults aged 20 – 50 years. Fatal and severe cases are reported to have sought medical attention 5 to 7 days after onset of symptoms.

wakeup2nwo
02-11-2009, 08:11 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=8976351


Ukraine Closes All Schools to Fight Swine Flu

Ukraine closes all schools to fight swine flu; some observers see political overtones
By YANA SEDOVA and SIMON SHUSTER Associated Press Writers
KIEV, Ukraine November 2, 2009 (AP)
The Associated Press

Urging its citizens not to panic, Ukraine on Monday closed the nation's schools for a week to avoid the spread of swine flu and suggested that nightclubs, cinemas and food markets in the west also shut down.

The World Health Organization said Monday there was no evidence that Ukraine had a bad outbreak of swine flu but at the government's request it had sent a health team there to help the country cope.

"But this is not an indication that the situation is severe," said WHO spokeswoman Liuba Negru. "The information we have gotten (from the government), we have to double-check it and make sure it is real, evidence-based information."

Ukraine's Health Ministry said Monday that 70 people in the nation of 40 million have died of flu, but did not say how many of those deaths were related to swine flu. Worldwide, outbreaks of regular seasonal flu claim 50,000 lives each year.

Nevertheless, all schools have been closed for a week across Ukraine, even in the capital, Kiev, where there have been no confirmed cases of swine flu.

In western Ukraine, local authorities advised people to travel only when necessary, a Health Ministry spokeswoman said.

All outdoor markets have been closed in the western region of Lviv, where the governor also urged cinemas, cafes, nightclubs and theaters to shut down until further notice.

Some observers, including the speaker of the parliament, Vladimir Litvin, suggested that these measures are the result of political wrangling ahead of the country's presidential election in January. The pivotal vote could overturn the 2004 Orange Revolution that swept a pro-Western government to power.

"We are seeing a political competition to see who will be the first to lead this process (of fighting swine flu)," Litvin said, according to the UNIAN news agency.

Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko met a Swiss shipment of anti-viral drugs at the Kiev airport on Monday.

spiral_out
02-11-2009, 08:54 PM
Im not buying the 'political spin' they are putting on this story.

'Oh they are just doing it to show they will do whatever it takes to protect the country in order to get re-elected.'

More like, you are just talking to people in a mopped up political language they will understand and straying away from the issue at hand. WTF is this stuff and why has it killed 4 HCW's in 3 days or less? :mad:

wakeup2nwo
02-11-2009, 09:08 PM
FLUkraine: What deadly virus gripping the nation? - YouTube

spiral_out
02-11-2009, 09:23 PM
67 Dead (4 are Doctors)
255,000 Infected

The World Health Organization sent a team of experts to Ukraine today to investigate an outbreak of respiratory disease that’s sickened a quarter of a million people and left pharmacies without masks or flu remedies. A group of epidemiologists, physicians, laboratory technicians and communications advisers is scheduled to arrive tonight in Kiev, Gregory Hartl, a WHO spokesman in Geneva, said in a telephone interview today. Ukraine faces an outbreak of flu-like illness that’s killed at least 67 people and infected 255,000, according to the country’s first deputy health minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets. About 22 patients tested positive for swine flu, Lazoryshynets said. It’s “difficult to tell” whether the pandemic H1N1 virus is responsible for all the cases, according to Hartl. “There are a lot of unknowns,” he said. The crew of experts will collect samples from patients and send them to the WHO’s influenza collaborating center in London for diagnosis. The WHO may have more information on Nov. 4, Hartl said. Ukraine’s government has closed schools and banned public events. In four of Kiev’s 10 districts, a majority of drugstores posted handwritten signs in their windows that read “no masks.” A central information line for the city’s drugstores said yesterday most stores had run out of protective masks or flu and cold remedies such as paracetamol, called acetaminophen in the U.S., and new supplies were expected later in the week.

The streets of Lviv, the city near the Polish border that’s reported the most cases, were empty yesterday, with museums, restaurants and stores closed, said Halyna Shymanska, a 47-year- old doctor. Shymanska, who runs a private ultrasound diagnostics office in nearby Truskavets, said pharmacies have run out of masks as well as antivirals and basic flu medicines. “People are relying on folk remedies like onion and garlic,” she said in a telephone interview. Garlic and lemons, also used as a flu remedy, are now scarce in the town of Cherasky, in central Ukraine. The price of a kilogram (2.2 pounds) of lemons there has quadrupled to 50 hryvnia ($6.10) in the past week. About 15,000 people are being treated at hospitals across Ukraine, Lazoryshynets said at a press conference in Kiev today. Ukraine has asked the U.S., the European Union, NATO and neighbors for anti-flu drugs. Poland and Slovakia sent protective masks and Roche Holding AG’s drug Tamiflu to Ukraine after President Viktor Yushchenko said the country couldn’t fight an outbreak of pandemic influenza alone, according to a statement from the government.

H1N1, a new flu strain that’s evolved in pigs, humans and birds, has sickened at least 440,000 people and killed over 5,700 since it was discovered in Mexico and the U.S. in April, the World Health Organization said last week. The WHO estimates seasonal flu causes up to 500,000 deaths a year. “It’s a bit like Mexico in the beginning,” said John Oxford, professor of virology at Queen Mary’s School of Medicine and Dentistry in London, adding that Ukrainian authorities may not have the scientific resources they need to observe the outbreak closely. “One’s first reaction is that not due to any fault of their own, they’re getting into a bit of a flap.” It’s unlikely that the virus has mutated and become more deadly, according to Oxford. “It doesn’t fit with the experience of other countries at the moment, so why should the Ukraine be different,” he said. An analysis of early data on the outbreak suggests severe cases and deaths in Ukraine occurred among adults aged between the ages of 20 and 50, according to the Geneva-based WHO. The U.K. Health Protection Agency estimated on Oct. 29 that about 521,000 of the country’s 61 million residents have gotten the virus since the pandemic began, and 137 of them have died. That’s a death rate of 0.03 percent, similar to the one Ukraine’s numbers indicate. Across the Black Sea, Bulgaria also said it was hit by a flu epidemic, closed schools and banned gatherings, the Sofia News Agency reported, citing Angel Kunchev, head of the health ministry’s department of control of communicable diseases.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 10:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHKAZzlvUo

Or link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHKAZzlvUo

around 00.50 he says
vaccine will lower their immune system
altho pneumonic plague is already pretty deadly..

decim
02-11-2009, 10:17 PM
Ken Alibek
This video shows a former Soviet scientist explaining that in the 1980s they developed a weaponized form of the Pneumonic Plague that is resistant to any anti-biotics.

The weaponized form is stable in an aerosol, which is frightening many Ukranians right now because they have been reporting that planes are spraying chem-trails over their cities at night.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

the nine
02-11-2009, 10:18 PM
Still nothing on UK media about this , sky news website breaking news is mr potato-head and coleen have had a baby :rolleyes: woopee-fcukin-do :o

ohhhh you rebel..
thats put Wayne Rooney in his place!

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 10:51 PM
around 00.50 he says
vaccine will lower their immune system
altho pneumonic plague is already pretty deadly..

he also says its melting ppl's lungs
info anyone??

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 10:51 PM
ohhhh you rebel..
thats put Wayne Rooney in his place!

explain pls.

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 10:54 PM
does marburg cause melting lungs??
if not
wot does??

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 10:58 PM
maybe they released pnec plague in april
but 4 some reason it didnt catch on
n they were gonna call it flu
so as not to panic evry1???

the nine
02-11-2009, 11:00 PM
explain pls.

he referred to Wayne Rooney as mr potato head :rolleyes:

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Ken Alibek
This video shows a former Soviet scientist explaining that in the 1980s they developed a weaponized form of the Pneumonic Plague that is resistant to any anti-biotics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1UB-5C--rg

01.30
says plague often mistaken as flu..

02.10
says pneumonic plague far more contagious and deadly than bubonic plague..

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 11:07 PM
he referred to Wayne Rooney as mr potato head :rolleyes:

thx..

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Ukraine "mutated" H1N1 Swine Flu has killed 3000 people very quickly, NO CURE, NO VACCINE PNEUMONIC

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnb6JsbsgZM&feature=related

01.30
says temp inside lungs reached 55oC

jesuitsdidit
02-11-2009, 11:38 PM
translated from russian
http://globalist.org.ua/?p=22750

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fglobalist.org.ua%2F%3Fp%3D22750&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=


Pneumonic plague or mutated swine influenza - people continue to die
Легочная чума или же свиной грипп - мы все равно умираем Pneumonic plague, or swine flu - we still die
Украина в полной власти того, что мы называем свиной грипп или легочная чума. Ukraine at the mercy of what we call a pig influenza or pneumonic plague. Что происходит на самом деле пока никто точно не знает, люди продолжают умирать. What's going on until no one knows exactly, people continue to die.

* Пока все лечатся и прячутся… While all untreated and hide ...
* Легочная чума в Украине - кто остановит эпидемию? Pneumonic plague in Ukraine - who will stop the epidemic?
* В Одесской области люди умирают от легочной чумы In the Odessa region, people are dying of pneumonic plague
* Эпидемия свиного гриппа уже в Украине: тысячи больных The epidemic of swine flu already in Ukraine: Thousands of patients

НЕ МОЖЕТ БЫТЬ! По новому переводу Библии - Бог не создавал Землю!

Около 3 000 граждан Украины, более 1000 жителей Белоруссии, неизвестно сколько российских граждан - все они стали жертвами неизвестного доселе вируса. About 3 000 citizens of Ukraine, more than 1000 residents of Belarus, is not known how many Russian citizens - all of them were victims of an unknown virus. Как отмечают некоторые врачи - вирус - мутант не лечится никакими известными лекарствами от гриппа или же чумы. As noted by some doctors - a virus - mutant can not be cured by any known drugs for influenza or the plague. Интересен и тот факт, что у большинства умерших практически при жизни сгорали легкие. Another interesting fact is that the majority of deaths during the life of almost burned lungs. Температура внутри легких доходила до 55 градусов. The temperature inside the lungs reaches 55 degrees. Такого не встречалось в истории медицины никогда. This was not encountered in the history of medicine ever. Свиной грипп, скажите? Swine influenza, tell me?

Симптомы легочной чумы практически не отличаются от симптоматики «свиного гриппа». Symptoms of pneumonic plague virtually no different from the symptoms of "swine flu". Определить ее может только бактериологическая экспертиза. Identify it can only bacteriological examination.

Люди попадают в больницы со следующими симптомами: высокая температура, удушающий кашель и не способность нормально дышать. People come to hospitals with the following symptoms: fever, cough, choke and not the ability to breathe normally. Болезнь прогрессирует необычайно быстро, поражает легкие, и люди умирают от пневмонии. The disease progresses at a fast pace, affects the lungs, and people are dying from pneumonia. По словам министра, человека не возможно спасти, если он не обратился к врачу, уже на 5-7 день после появления первых симптомов. According to the minister, no person could be saved if he did not see a doctor, even at 5-7 days after the first symptoms.

Что говорить, реально тысячи умерших и их родные никогда не простят власти стран Восточной Европы того, что их просто-таки убили халатностью и безразличием. What to say, really thousands of dead and their relatives will never forgive the authorities of countries in Eastern Europe that their simply is killed by negligence and indifference.

rollotomaz1
02-11-2009, 11:44 PM
This spraying is following a pattern globaly. They have been spraying from huge tanker aircraft over populated areas of the uk also. On spraying days people get ill. On non spraying days people are fine. They are spraying different bugs that cause flu and ecoli. Its designed to panick people into lining up for the vaccine. The vaccine was tested on polish homeless in 2006 and 15% died straight away. What is going on in the ukrain is one piece of a large scale depopulation program. One of these planes was brought down in uganda where they were spraying in the summer it belonged to the us millitary. In the uk I rang the MOD and got the same denial. I also rang the environmental health to check the air quality they were quick to visit me to stop a panick and i was told that the only way i could find out about it was to contact the UN. The problem there is that this is the UN doing it. Incidentaly there is a new report today that passengers entering the uk at heathrow had been poisoned by some chemical during the flight so a chemical alert was declared! People need to wake up from cosy TV land because there is a war against you the public..

We live right next to the largest military garrison in Europe, that's probavly why we have had to trails, there were some small cloud thinings but nothing like we are seeing in some of the post, the bastards are protecting the miliitary area because they need them, not the bestplace to be situated though for a thermo.

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 12:00 AM
a jones show
good info 2nd half of 2nd hour..

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 12:02 AM
not the bestplace to be situated though for a thermo.

not sure thermos exist
see
Is the atom bomb a hoax?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78200

coldinsomnia
03-11-2009, 01:31 AM
Ukraine "mutated" H1N1 Swine Flu has killed 3000 people very quickly, NO CURE, NO VACCINE PNEUMONIC

Hang on... 3000 people?

3000 people? Last time I checked it was in the double figures. I've tried to find other sources for this information but apart from the poorly translated source in the video I can't find anything.

Does anyone else have any more information? I pray this isn't true.

spiral_out
03-11-2009, 01:34 AM
Reliable information is hard to come by right now. I have not read about 3000 people dying anywhere else - i think what he said was that 3000 had this respiratory illness and it is the main cause of death at the moment.

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 02:18 AM
Reliable information is hard to come by right now. I have not read about 3000 people dying anywhere else - i think what he said was that 3000 had this respiratory illness and it is the main cause of death at the moment.

translated from russian
http://globalist.org.ua/?p=22750

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fglobalist.org.ua%2F%3Fp%3D22750&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=


Pneumonic plague or mutated swine influenza - people continue to die
Легочная чума или же свиной грипп - мы все равно умираем Pneumonic plague, or swine flu - we still die
Украина в полной власти того, что мы называем свиной грипп или легочная чума. Ukraine at the mercy of what we call a pig influenza or pneumonic plague. Что происходит на самом деле пока никто точно не знает, люди продолжают умирать. What's going on until no one knows exactly, people continue to die.

* Пока все лечатся и прячутся… While all untreated and hide ...
* Легочная чума в Украине - кто остановит эпидемию? Pneumonic plague in Ukraine - who will stop the epidemic?
* В Одесской области люди умирают от легочной чумы In the Odessa region, people are dying of pneumonic plague
* Эпидемия свиного гриппа уже в Украине: тысячи больных The epidemic of swine flu already in Ukraine: Thousands of patients

НЕ МОЖЕТ БЫТЬ! По новому переводу Библии - Бог не создавал Землю!

Около 3 000 граждан Украины, более 1000 жителей Белоруссии, неизвестно сколько российских граждан - все они стали жертвами неизвестного доселе вируса. About 3 000 citizens of Ukraine, more than 1000 residents of Belarus, is not known how many Russian citizens - all of them were victims of an unknown virus. Как отмечают некоторые врачи - вирус - мутант не лечится никакими известными лекарствами от гриппа или же чумы. As noted by some doctors - a virus - mutant can not be cured by any known drugs for influenza or the plague. Интересен и тот факт, что у большинства умерших практически при жизни сгорали легкие. Another interesting fact is that the majority of deaths during the life of almost burned lungs. Температура внутри легких доходила до 55 градусов. The temperature inside the lungs reaches 55 degrees. Такого не встречалось в истории медицины никогда. This was not encountered in the history of medicine ever. Свиной грипп, скажите? Swine influenza, tell me?

Симптомы легочной чумы практически не отличаются от симптоматики «свиного гриппа». Symptoms of pneumonic plague virtually no different from the symptoms of "swine flu". Определить ее может только бактериологическая экспертиза. Identify it can only bacteriological examination.

Люди попадают в больницы со следующими симптомами: высокая температура, удушающий кашель и не способность нормально дышать. People come to hospitals with the following symptoms: fever, cough, choke and not the ability to breathe normally. Болезнь прогрессирует необычайно быстро, поражает легкие, и люди умирают от пневмонии. The disease progresses at a fast pace, affects the lungs, and people are dying from pneumonia. По словам министра, человека не возможно спасти, если он не обратился к врачу, уже на 5-7 день после появления первых симптомов. According to the minister, no person could be saved if he did not see a doctor, even at 5-7 days after the first symptoms.

Что говорить, реально тысячи умерших и их родные никогда не простят власти стран Восточной Европы того, что их просто-таки убили халатностью и безразличием. What to say, really thousands of dead and their relatives will never forgive the authorities of countries in Eastern Europe that their simply is killed by negligence and indifference.

.

coldinsomnia
03-11-2009, 02:27 AM
About 3 000 citizens of Ukraine, more than 1000 residents of Belarus, is not known how many Russian citizens - all of them were victims of an unknown virus.

Given that this was translated by a computer "victims" could quite easily just mean fallen ill. It doesn't say, and we cannot assume, that it means these people have actually died.

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 03:07 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aho.pJfVAysE&pos=9


Ukraine Mystery Outbreak Sparks WHO Concern as Disease Spreads

By Kateryna Choursina and Halia Pavliva

Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization sent a team of experts to Ukraine today to investigate an outbreak of respiratory disease that’s sickened a quarter of a million people and left pharmacies without masks or flu remedies.

A group of epidemiologists, physicians, laboratory technicians and communications advisers is scheduled to arrive tonight in Kiev, Gregory Hartl, a WHO spokesman in Geneva, said in a telephone interview today.

Ukraine faces an outbreak of flu-like illness that’s killed at least 67 people and infected 255,000, according to the country’s first deputy health minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets. About 22 patients tested positive for swine flu, Lazoryshynets said. It’s “difficult to tell” whether the pandemic H1N1 virus is responsible for all the cases, according to Hartl.

“There are a lot of unknowns,” he said. The crew of experts will collect samples from patients and send them to the WHO’s influenza collaborating center in London for diagnosis. The WHO may have more information on Nov. 4, Hartl said.

Ukraine’s government has closed schools and banned public events. In four of Kiev’s 10 districts, a majority of drugstores posted handwritten signs in their windows that read “no masks.” A central information line for the city’s drugstores said yesterday most stores had run out of protective masks or flu and cold remedies such as paracetamol, called acetaminophen in the U.S., and new supplies were expected later in the week.

Onions, Garlic and Lemons

The streets of Lviv, the city near the Polish border that’s reported the most cases, were empty yesterday, with museums, restaurants and stores closed, said Halyna Shymanska, a 47-year- old doctor. Shymanska, who runs a private ultrasound diagnostics office in nearby Truskavets, said pharmacies have run out of masks as well as antivirals and basic flu medicines.

“People are relying on folk remedies like onion and garlic,” she said in a telephone interview.

Garlic and lemons, also used as a flu remedy, are now scarce in the town of Cherasky, in central Ukraine. The price of a kilogram (2.2 pounds) of lemons there has quadrupled to 50 hryvnia ($6.10) in the past week.

About 15,000 people are being treated at hospitals across Ukraine, Lazoryshynets said at a press conference in Kiev today.

Ukraine has asked the U.S., the European Union, NATO and neighbors for anti-flu drugs. Poland and Slovakia sent protective masks and Roche Holding AG’s drug Tamiflu to Ukraine after President Viktor Yushchenko said the country couldn’t fight an outbreak of pandemic influenza alone, according to a statement from the government.

‘A Bit of a Flap’

H1N1, a new flu strain that’s evolved in pigs, humans and birds, has sickened at least 440,000 people and killed over 5,700 since it was discovered in Mexico and the U.S. in April, the World Health Organization said last week. The WHO estimates seasonal flu causes up to 500,000 deaths a year.

“It’s a bit like Mexico in the beginning,” said John Oxford, professor of virology at Queen Mary’s School of Medicine and Dentistry in London, adding that Ukrainian authorities may not have the scientific resources they need to observe the outbreak closely. “One’s first reaction is that not due to any fault of their own, they’re getting into a bit of a flap.”

It’s unlikely that the virus has mutated and become more deadly, according to Oxford. “It doesn’t fit with the experience of other countries at the moment, so why should the Ukraine be different,” he said.

An analysis of early data on the outbreak suggests severe cases and deaths in Ukraine occurred among adults aged between the ages of 20 and 50, according to the Geneva-based WHO.

The U.K. Health Protection Agency estimated on Oct. 29 that about 521,000 of the country’s 61 million residents have gotten the virus since the pandemic began, and 137 of them have died. That’s a death rate of 0.03 percent, similar to the one Ukraine’s numbers indicate.

Across the Black Sea, Bulgaria also said it was hit by a flu epidemic, closed schools and banned gatherings, the Sofia News Agency reported, citing Angel Kunchev, head of the health ministry’s department of control of communicable diseases.

To contact the reporter on this story: Kateryna Choursina in Moscow at [email protected]
Halia Pavliva in New York at [email protected]

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 03:11 AM
http://www.kyivpost.com/


Nation

Ukraine closes all schools to fight swine flu

World Health Organization visits Ukraine, offers tips to stop spread of H1N1 Yesterday at 23:43

Western Information Agency: Health minister makes plea Yesterday at 23:35

Bloomberg: Ukraine mystery outbreak sparks WHO concern as disease spreads Yesterday at 23:20

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty: Ukrainian hospitals to distribute Tamiflu for free Yesterday at 23:16

ITAR-TASS: Ukraine’s swine flu deaths jump to 22 Yesterday at 23:12

Euronews: Tamiflu touches down in Kyiv Yesterday at 23:03

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 03:15 AM
http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/02/202868


Health minister pleads to know-all politicians to stop handing out recommendations on flue prevention

November 02 2009 20:17
Nov. 2, Ukraine Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevych publicized his appeal to Ukrainian politicians. “I’m calling on you to refrain from fueling tensions in the country, creating panic and spreading pseudo medical recommendations in the media,” his appeal runs.

Down is the full text of his appeal: < media. the in recommendations medical pseudo spreading and panic sowing country, tensions fueling from refrain to you urge I citizen doctor as Ukraine, of health minister>

"Today, the country is faced with a serious challenge. The swine flue outbreak has reached Ukraine, and we need to coordinate work of all branches of power. Instead, as witnessed by the recent events, the grave situation we are in is exploited by politicians for settling political scores and engaging in unconstructive criticism.

I regard all the accusations of financial abuse leveled against the health ministry as an attempt to paralyze the vital work of its officials aimed at coordinating anti-flue activities of various bodies. As minister, I promise to cooperate in starting all kinds of checks and investigations against ministry officials but only after the flue epidemic has been minimized.

I also urge all politicians, even those with medical education, to refrain from comments and advice in the media on how to treat the swine flue. At present, political rhetoric around the flue outbreak has led journalists to go to the health ministry for comments, and this takes away our precious time to dismiss the allegations given by laymen and be engaged in discussing purely professional topics.

Everyone should be doing its own business. Go easy on the valuable time of medical officers who are busy saving the lives of Ukrainians. Thank you for understanding.”

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 03:22 AM
http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/10/31/202643


Yushchenko blocks gas payments to Russia, Tymoshenko complains to Putin

Following his telephone conversation with Premier Tymoshenko, Russia Premier Vladimir Putin says Ukraine has problems with payments for October deliveries of the Russian gas,
Interfax-Ukraine reports Oct. 30.

“Sadly, it looks as if we will again have difficulties regarding payments for our gas by Ukraine,” Putin said.

“According to what the Ukrainian premier told me, Yushchenko obstructs normal cooperation of the Ukrainian cabinet with the country’s Central bank which has gold and currency reserves. The bank blocs transfer of payments to Russia,” Putin explained.

According to the IMF, Ukrainian has sufficient gold and currency reserves, Putin observed.

“Ukraine’s gold and currency reserves amount to $27-28 billion, with, according to the IMF, the lower level needed to ensure the hryvnia stability and foreign trade payments being at $12 billion,” Putin went on.

The IMF considers it proper and correct if Ukraine pays for its gas deliveries with its reserves, Putin said.

The Russian premier reminded that Russia has paid in advance for the transit of its gas via Ukraine till the end of Q1 in 2010, or about $2.5 billion.

“What is to be done?” Putin then asked.

Earlier, Putin has repeatedly warned Yulia Tymoshenko that Ukraine is to strictly adhere to its contractual obligations.

cleopatraxxx
03-11-2009, 03:47 AM
Given that this was translated by a computer "victims" could quite easily just mean fallen ill. It doesn't say, and we cannot assume, that it means these people have actually died.

If the article is in russian, give me the link to it and i can translate it for us here ;-)

false flag
03-11-2009, 03:47 AM
I can't believe that the Australian MSM isn't even saying anything about this!
They would rather crap on about a stupid horse race than a disaster overseas. Then again I guess the MSM is there to keep the populace dumbed down with useless facts, celebs and boring sports.

cleopatraxxx
03-11-2009, 03:49 AM
http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/10/31/202643


Yushchenko blocks gas payments to Russia, Tymoshenko complains to Putin

Following his telephone conversation with Premier Tymoshenko, Russia Premier Vladimir Putin says Ukraine has problems with payments for October deliveries of the Russian gas,
Interfax-Ukraine reports Oct. 30.

“Sadly, it looks as if we will again have difficulties regarding payments for our gas by Ukraine,” Putin said.

“According to what the Ukrainian premier told me, Yushchenko obstructs normal cooperation of the Ukrainian cabinet with the country’s Central bank which has gold and currency reserves. The bank blocs transfer of payments to Russia,” Putin explained.

According to the IMF, Ukrainian has sufficient gold and currency reserves, Putin observed.

“Ukraine’s gold and currency reserves amount to $27-28 billion, with, according to the IMF, the lower level needed to ensure the hryvnia stability and foreign trade payments being at $12 billion,” Putin went on.

The IMF considers it proper and correct if Ukraine pays for its gas deliveries with its reserves, Putin said.

The Russian premier reminded that Russia has paid in advance for the transit of its gas via Ukraine till the end of Q1 in 2010, or about $2.5 billion.

“What is to be done?” Putin then asked.

Earlier, Putin has repeatedly warned Yulia Tymoshenko that Ukraine is to strictly adhere to its contractual obligations.

somehitng stinks in all this :-(

decim
03-11-2009, 04:13 AM
Russia 'simulates' nuclear attack on Poland
Russia has provoked outrage in Poland by simulating an air and sea attack on the country during military exercises.

By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Published: 4:37PM GMT 01 Nov 2009

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00791/460-russian-tanks-g_791481c.jpg
A Russian military tank in action in Georgia Photo: Getty Images

The armed forces are said to have carried out "war games" in which nuclear missiles were fired and troops practised an amphibious landing on the country's coast.

Documents obtained by Wprost, one of Poland's leading news magazines, said the exercise was carried out in conjunction with soldiers from Belarus.

The manoeuvres are thought to have been held in September and involved about 13,000 Russian and Belarusian troops.

Poland, which has strained relations with both countries, was cast as the "potential aggressor".

The documents state the exercises, code-named "West", were officially classified as "defensive" but many of the operations appeared to have an offensive nature.

The Russian air force practised using weapons from its nuclear arsenal, while in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, which neighbours Poland, Red Army forces stormed a "Polish" beach and attacked a gas pipeline.

The operation also involved the simulated suppression of an uprising by a national minority in Belarus – the country has a significant Polish population which has a strained relationship with authoritarian government of Belarus.

Karol Karski, an MP from Poland's Law and Justice, is to table parliamentary questions on Russia's war games and has protested to the European Commission.

His colleague, Marek Opiola MP, said: "It's an attempt to put us in our place. Don't forget all this happened on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland."

Ordinary Poles were outraged by news of the exercise and demanded a firm response fro the government.

One man, identified only as Ted, told Polskie Radio: "Russia has laid bare its real intentions with respect to Poland. Every Pole most now get of the off the fence and be counted as a patriot or a traitor."

Donald Tusk, Poland's prime minister, has tried to build a pragmatic relationship with the Kremlin despite widespread and vocal calls in Poland for him to cool ties with Moscow.

After spending 40 years under Soviet domination few in Poland trust Russia, and many Poles have become increasingly wary of a country they consider as possessing a neo-imperialistic agenda.

Bogdan Klich, Poland’s defence minister, said: “It is a demonstration of strength. We are monitoring the exercises to see what has been planned.

Wladyslaw Stasiak, chief of President Lech Kaczynski’s office, and a former head of Poland’s National Security Council, added: “We didn’t like the appearance of the exercises and the name harked back to the days of the Warsaw Pact.”

The Russian troop exercises will come as an unwelcome sight to the states nestling on Russia’s western border who have deep-rooted anxieties over any Russian show of strength.

With a resurgent Moscow now more willing to flex its muscles, Central and Eastern Europeans have warned of Russia adopting a neo-imperialistic attitude to an area of the world it still regards as its sphere of influence.

In July, the region’s most famed and influential political figures, including Lech Walesa and Vaclav Havel, wrote an open letter Barack Obama warning him that Russia “is back as a revisionist power pursuing a 19th-century agenda with 21st-century tactics and methods.”

Moscow and Minsk have insisted that Operation West was to help "ensure the strategic stability in the East European region".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6480227/Russia-simulates-nuclear-attack-on-Poland.html

swift44
03-11-2009, 04:49 AM
hmm im from ukrane, glad i left that shithole

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 05:25 AM
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/the-leader-of-the-cis-is-lonely-and-weak/388309.html


The Leader of the CIS Is Lonely and Weak
28 October 2009
By Anders Aslund

Russia’s relations with its neighbors are worse than ever, and this is particularly true among the former Soviet republics. On Oct. 9, the Commonwealth of Independent States held its annual summit in Chisinau. The Nezavisimaya Gazeta headline said it all: “Summit in 30 Minutes. CIS Leaders Had Nothing to Tell One Another.”

Georgia left the alliance on Aug. 18. Among the remaining 11 members, only six presidents arrived — from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Kyrgyzstan, while the host country, Moldova, temporarily has no president. Even the strongest proponent of multilateral cooperation in the post-Soviet region, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev, chose to stay at home. Needless to say, nothing was accomplished.

To aggravate things further, President Dmitry Medvedev refused to meet Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko and Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko. Will Lukashenko attend another CIS meeting after that insult? Everybody left quickly after their half-hour meeting and even skipped the planned gala dinner. The CIS is Russia’s baby, and its failure is also Russia’s.

Each CIS country has its own complaints, but the four dominant concerns are: Russia’s lacking respect for its neighbors’ territorial integrity, gas policy, trade conflicts and financial issues. The Kremlin needs to fix each of these areas to restore Russia’s standing in the region.

On Aug. 26, 2008, the Kremlin dealt the most devastating blow to its reputation in the post-Soviet region by recognizing the sovereignty of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Russia violated its long-standing principles of respecting a nation’s sovereignty and territorial integrity inscribed in the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe convention, the CIS convention and multiple bilateral friendship treaties with CIS countries.

President Boris Yeltsin signed as many treaties as he could to reassure the former Soviet republics that Russia would respect their sovereignty. But when Vladimir Putin became president, he revised Yeltsin’s policy. He articulated this new policy quite clearly in his 2005 annual address when he said, “The collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest geopolitical disaster of the century.”

Russia’s recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia after the Russia-Georgia war confirmed that Russia had become a revisionist power in the region. Not one other CIS state has recognized Abkhazia or South Ossetia. The reason is that it could set a dangerous precedent and could ultimately threaten the sovereignty of CIS states as well. Several republics have large ethnic Russian populations and possess former Russian territories. The Kremlin needs to restore its respect for its neighbors’ territorial integrity to be able to improve its relations with them.

Russia’s gas policy toward its neighbors is just as damaging. It has been right in moving toward market-related prices, but prices offered to different CIS countries vary according to political conditions. After its unjustified cutoff of gas deliveries in January, Gazprom now finds itself in a severe crisis because its current and former customers consider it an unreliable supplier. Because of falling demand, its total output is likely to plummet by some 20 percent this year

For years, Gazprom has tried to monopolize gas supplies from Central Asia, but when European gas demand and prices dropped, Turkmenistan’s gas pipeline to Russia blew up just like two gas pipelines to Georgia a few years ago. Now, after the pipeline has been repaired, Gazprom refuses to accept the contracted volumes or pay the agreed-upon price. Therefore Turkmen President Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov did not go to the CIS summit. Instead, the Chinese are filling the gap by building a large gas pipeline to Turkmenistan. China will buy most of Turkmenistan’s gas exports, as it already does from Kazakhstan.

Gazprom needs to recognize that it faces a serious crisis in its relations with both customers and suppliers. Otherwise it will be treated as a rogue company. The most sensible thing to do would be to ratify the Energy Charter Treaty, but last summer Russia took the opposite step: It suspended its signature for this important pact.

The greatest failure of the CIS is not to have established a free trade area. All the CIS countries, except Turkmenistan, signed a multilateral free trade agreement in 1994, but Russia has never ratified it. Instead, most CIS countries have concluded bilateral free trade agreements. Although they have been ratified, they lack legal teeth. Whenever one country wants to undertake protectionist measures against another, it does so with impunity because detailed rules, arbitration and penalty mechanisms are missing. As a consequence, trade within the CIS is often interrupted. Whenever a successful exporter captures another market, it is blocked through quotas, tariffs or outright prohibition.

There is a clear resolution to this problem: World Trade Organization accession for all. The WTO has the requisite rules, arbitration and penalties. Five CIS countries have become members of the WTO, but Russia has failed to do so. In June, Russia was very close to accession, but Putin surprised everybody, including his own Cabinet, by stating that Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan would enter the WTO as a customs union. WTO Secretary-General Pascal Lamy said this was impossible. Only when Russia and the other CIS countries join the WTO can free trade arrangements within the commonwealth become meaningful.

The global financial crisis offered the Kremlin a new chance to rebuild relations with its CIS neighbors. With its large reserves, Russia could offer substantial financial assistance to Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Moldova. But Belarus, Kyrgyzstan and Moldova are complaining that Russia has failed to deliver what it promised. Once again Lukashenko and Putin have ended up in public mudslinging. Instead, China is quietly providing larger financial support to Belarus and Moldova.

Thus, the Kremlin is spoiling its relations with its neighbors in a seemingly mindless fashion. In the East, Central Asia is turning to China to expand trade and receive financing. In the West, the EU’s Eastern Partnership has pulled Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus, and Moldova closer to Europe. For the time being, Russia seems to have decent relations with only Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Russia has solidified its reputation as an unreliable and unpredictable partner. It is finding itself increasingly lonely, and in global affairs the lonely are weak. Russia should have an interest in improving its tarnished international reputation. It urgently needs to form a new, constructive and respectful policy toward its post-Soviet neighbors. Perhaps Medvedev and Putin should take a page from Yeltsin’s CIS playbook.

Anders Ĺslund, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, has together with Andrew Kuchins authored “The Russia Balance Sheet.”

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 05:32 AM
so
did they release swine flu in april
with the intention of releasing something far worse
in the autumn
maybe having removed all relevant anti-biotics from circulation
WHO cd ve issued an order in the summer
re-calling all relevant anti-biotics
'coz there r reports of a fault in their manufacture'

we shd check levels of stocks of relevant
anti-biotics for pneumonic plague

bacteria can be treated with anti-biotics
pretty effectively..

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 05:39 AM
Reliable information is hard to come by right now. I have not read about 3000 people dying anywhere else - i think what he said was that 3000 had this respiratory illness and it is the main cause of death at the moment.

yep
if its a deliberate release of sth as serious as plague
you can be damned sure
we arent gonna hear about it..

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 05:41 AM
hmm im from ukrane, glad i left that shithole

perhaps u cd use yr contacts to find out wots really going on
n let us know??

anyone else with access to local information??
i cant believe we cant get the inside story
unless its all just a storm in a tea-cup
do we sense relative normality reigns in Ukraine??

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 05:55 AM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/


Important events
# New details of flu epidemic. 67 died. PHOTO (updated at 06:37 pm)
# SHOCK! Minister of Health hides preparation for swine flu!
# Save yourselves - improve immunity
# 60 people have already died in Ukraine. Ministry of Health requests silence (updated at 11:19 am)
# Characteristics of pandemic. Symptoms and instruction (updated at 01:28 pm)
# NEWS FLASH! Highest epidemic of swine flu in Ukraine!
# Putin asks Tymoshenko follow contract
# Ukraine may lose Euro-2012
# Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine? (updated at 11:04 am)
# Prosecutor’s General Office received conclusions of experts on Melnychenko’s records

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 05:59 AM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/376875.html
contains links


// 02.11.2009 // 10:34 //
60 people have already died in Ukraine. Ministry of Health requests silence (updated at 11:19 am)
MIGnews.com.ua

According to the latest data of Ministry of Health, as of 05:00 p.m. on Sunday, October 1, the number of people who are ill with influenza and acute respiratory disease in Ukraine, have increased to 191,000 people, 83,000 out of them are children under 18 years.

More than 7,000 people have been hospitalized. Out of them 123 people are in intensive care department. As a result of the epidemic, 60 people died in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Volyn Regions. In the Volyn region, in particular,the first fatal case has been recorded. The greatest number of deaths is in the Lviv Region - 29 people.

Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevych urges politicians not to raise panic around the influenza epidemic within a week "We have problems, as well as throughout the world," - said Minister in the air of 1+1. "I would ask the politicians to give an opportunity in the broadcasting, I appeal to the leaders of air, to give doctors an opportunity to speak”, - said Vasyl Knyazevych.

According to him, there are cases of disease and in Kiev, "but they are not confirmed." "We have not got a single case of Kiev, confirmed by laboratory", - stressed the Minister.

"After we diagnosed the Californian flu, the flu, this flu exists in Ukraine, it circulates throughout the world. We have gone into a state of the pandemic, which was announced by the World Health Organization," - he said. "The measures which we are taking are intended for the whole country", - said Vasyl Knyazevych.

He said that there is no categorical ban on the movement of people from region to region. "This is not a state of emergency. Only in the state of emergency Armed Forces and the police can guarantee order. We just recommend to abstain from such visits and trips", - stressed the Minister.

On weekends the number of visitors to cinemas has been reduced dramatically. The additional measures of disinfection are being taken in cinemas. The same is in some restaurants of Kyiv.

One of the main problems is the lack of preventive and therapeutic means. In particular, there is a lack of bulky dressings, Arbidol and Tamiflu drugs, oxolinic ointment which have been recommended by the World Health Organization for treatment of swine influenza.

Thus, hospitals in the Chernivtsi Regions received more than a thousand packages of Tamiflu. "But the Region needs ten times more", - said deputy chairman of the Chernivtsi Regional State Administration Borys Baglei.

Deficiency of Tamiflu might be made up both at the expense of domestic capacity, and supplies from abroad. In particular, according to the head of the Kharkiv regional state administration, the pharmaceutical companies of the region "are ready to organize production of Tamiflu in two weeks.

Yesterday, on November 1 the Lviv region received the first part of humanitarian aid from Poland: artificial respirators, 100,000 flu masks and drug Tamiflu.

Commenting on the statement of Kharkiv Region governor Arsen Avakov that pharmaceutical companies are ready to organize production of effective flu drug within two weeks, Vasyl Knyazevych said: "We support them, we have registered the drug and its production."

According to the Minister, "this is not the original drug”. However, Vasyl Knyazevych noted that the World Health Organization recommends drug Tamiflu.

It is worth noting that today at night aircraft AN-12 arrived with an antiviral drug Tamiflu at the international airport Boryspil from Switzerland. Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevych claimed that 300,000 doses of drug Tamiflu, which arrived today at night in Kyiv, will be enough for one week for Ukraine.

The plane with valuable cargo was met by Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, the head of the Presidential Secretariat Vera Ulyanchenko and Foreign Minister Petro Poroshenko at the airport, the presidential press office reports.

"President of Ukraine appreciates efficient realization by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and his head of his orders and decisions of the Security and Defense Council of Ukraine to provide Ukraine with assistance to fight with influenza flu," - said the head of the Presidential Secretariat Vera Ulyanchenko. On behalf of the Head of State, she expressed appreciation to the Minister of Foreign Affairs for efficient work. "I would like to congratulate Ukraine that we have received the cargo we need so much in a very short time," - said Vera Ulyanchenko. Head of the Secretariat expressed the hope that the arrival of today's cargo is only the first sign in providing Ukraine with effective assistance in the fight against the epidemic.

11:19 a.m. "It will be enough to provide all regions of Ukraine with this medicine. It will be brought in hospitals and it will be given to people for free", - Tymoshenko said, adding that next week Ukraine will be provided with 300,000 doses of this drug.

Vera Ulyanchenko also reminded that President of Ukraine Victor Yushchenko sent letters to the President of the European Commission, the Secretary General of NATO, the leaders of Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and the United States of America with arequest to help Ukraine. She, in particular, reminded that some humanitarian assistance, in particular, masks, have already been delivered to the Lviv Region in the framework of cooperation between this Region and several provinces of Poland.

Vera Ulyanchenko expressed special appreciation to the company F. Hoffmann-La Roche Ltd, for the decision to offer our state medicines at low cost (Hr 67 for one package, which would save hr 140 mn of budget funds).

The head of the Presidential Secretariat hopes that the presence of Prime Minister at the airport today will promote the rapid clearance of drugs and their prompt delivery to all regions of Ukraine and especially in those in which the quarantined is declared due to influenza epidemic.

Vera Ulyanchenko also emphasized the inadmissibility of the speculative sale of the drug Tamiflu.

Today, on November 2, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko will hold a conference with the manufacturers of drugs and medicines at 11:00 a.m., the Cabinet’s press service reports. By materials of Ukrainskaya pravda, Kommersant-Ukraine, UNIAN

As a reminder, on October 28 flu epidemic in the Ternopil Region, which had appeared a week ago, mowed down nearly 10,000 of residents. Moreover - unknown virus has already killed seven people. Ministry of Health has confirmed 20 deaths from pneumonia in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv Regions.

A closed meeting has been held in Ivano-Frankivsk, at which participants agreed that epidemic of the so-called "pneumonic plague" is being spread throughout Ukraine. But the problem is its form is unknown, it is ATYPICAL nobody knows how to treat it.

Member of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Health Lilia Hrihorovich (Our Ukraine-People’s Self-Defense faction) is convinced of the necessity to declare the state of emergency in five regions of Ukraine.

An epidemic of high pathogenic influenza A/H1N1 has begun when it became cold in the country, Health Minister of Ukraine Vasyl Knyazevych claimed.

A three-week vacation has been announced in all educational institutions of Ukraine. All events have been canceled in connection with epidemic of swine flu in Ukraine. Ukraine is at the highest (third) level of danger of epidemic. The State Border Committee of Belarus has sent INSTRUCTIONS to all the checkpoints on the border crossing on high alert in relation to the epidemiological situation in Ukraine. CLINICAL SIGNS OF A/H1N1 INFLUENZA ARE: headache, muscle aches, sore throat, fever, cough, runny nose, nasal stuffiness, in some cases - vomit and diarrhea.

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 06:04 AM
A three-week vacation has been announced in all educational institutions of Ukraine. All events have been canceled in connection with epidemic of swine flu in Ukraine. Ukraine is at the highest (third) level of danger of epidemic. The State Border Committee of Belarus has sent INSTRUCTIONS to all the checkpoints on the border crossing on high alert in relation to the epidemiological situation in Ukraine. CLINICAL SIGNS OF A/H1N1 INFLUENZA ARE: headache, muscle aches, sore throat, fever, cough, runny nose, nasal stuffiness, in some cases - vomit and diarrhea.

well
seeing we know swine flu is mild
this seems fairly drastic
unless its an ethno-specific bio-weapon
just hitting Ukr really bad??

maybe they'll unleash all their bio-weapons
that would be nasty..

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 06:13 AM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/categ342/articles/377005.html


// 02.11.2009 // 17:07 //
SHOCK! Minister of Health hides preparation for swine flu!
MIGnews.com.ua

Today many people are trying to assure all of us (and especially the media) that there is no catastrophic situation in Ukraine and it is not necessary to say who is to blame for it. We are not going to blame, we just want to remind the statement made by the director of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, on April 28 2009. Vasyl Knyazevych stated the following (quote): "The State will guarantee resistance to swine influenza and calls not to panic ". He also assured that "Ukraine has the appropriate medication for the treatment of this disease (swine flu). It has been studied and proven in laboratories, including Mexico and the United States " But with all this, then head of the Health Ministry declined citizens to call it: "If I have you saying this drug, it will be immediately sold out. I claim you as a responsible man - we have a preparation."

We do not consider it is necessary to describe the situation - and everything is clear. And we want to draw attention to the following: either Vasyl Knyazevych is an irresponsible blabber, who simply tried to reassure the population, not awaring of what he was saying, or the drug indeed exists and, therefore, Vasyl Knyazevych must answer why he hides it; or an existing product is bought by his own business structures and is being thrown on the market. In any case, the medicine is not known yet.

Today (in general, as always in an emergency), we have to deal with blatant and not punishable irresponsibility. Because it is not surprising that people in our country spit upon all the statements of officials of any rank. This fact only aggravates our desire to get a ministerial response to the questions: What kind of preparation he told about it in April? Where is it now? Who will account for tens of deaths? Why Vasyl Knyazevych still does not dare to call the drug? Maybe he has something wrong with the diploma too? ..

wakeup2nwo
03-11-2009, 12:26 PM
i nknew this is what was going on in ukraine


Speaker says flu epidemic in Ukraine will end after presidential campaign

Today at 12:50 | Interfax-Ukraine
Verkhovna Rada Chairman Volodymyr Lytvyn has said that the problem with the flu epidemic in Ukraine is being politicized.

"The flu epidemic in our country will end after the presidential campaign," the parliamentary press service quoted him as saying at a meeting with Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos in Kyiv on Tuesday.

"I get the impression that Ukrainian politicians have subtly switched the attention of the people to this problem, while all other problems have stopped being urgent. The problem exists and it should be resolved, but Ukraine was offered hysteria, and the people serve as an election tool," Lytvyn said.

Moratinos, in turn, said that Spain is ready to share its experience in fighting the flu epidemic and provide assistance in this to Ukraine.

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51801/

xpleet
03-11-2009, 12:28 PM
Bah, saw the newspaper covers thsi morning at the bakery, "INFECTIONS DOUBLE IN ONE WEEK". It makes me want to vomit.

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 04:28 PM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/377118.html


Newsline XML

17:00 // Epidemic in Ukraine going on. Country fights with flu
15:41 // NEWS FLASH! Verkhovna Rada gave Tymoshenko Hr 1 bn for struggle against flu
15:10 // Photos of Polyukhovych’s children to be examined in France
13:47 // Warning! Counterfeit medicines for swine influenza appeared
12:30 // Who ordered kill chief sanitary doctor?
11:17 // Chain of state pharmacies to be opened in Ukraine
10:28 // No epidemic of swine flu in Ukraine. Details
18:16 // New details of flu epidemic. 67 died. PHOTO (updated at 06:37 pm)
17:07 // SHOCK! Minister of Health hides preparation for swine flu!
16:08 // BMW drunk driver knocked down to death traffic policeman
15:40 // Save yourselves - improve immunity
13:49 // Ukrainian figure skater took second place in Austria

The entire newsline

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 04:31 PM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/377089.html


// 03.11.2009 // 10:28 //
No epidemic of swine flu in Ukraine. Details
MIGnews.com.ua

In the Lviv Region A/H1N1 flu was found in the bodies of two people out of 29 dead within two weeks, first deputy chairman of the Lviv regional council Roman Ilyk reported yesterday, on November 2 at the meeting of heads of factions of the Lviv regional council.

Prosecutor General's Office having based on the verification of compliance with fiscal and financial laws by officials of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine for the use of state budget funds allocated for counteraction of spreading influenza A/(H1N1) in the territory of Ukraine, has opened a criminal case on violation of fight with epidemics and official negligence, causing severe consequences of offenses under Part 2 of Art. 325 and Part 2 of Art. 367 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine.

Director of the Ukrainian Center for Influenza Olexander Hrynevych noted the importance of timely immunization to prevent influenza. According to him, the second wave is expected in January-February 2010.

There is no epidemic of swine flu in Ukraine, told the chief sanitary doctor Oleksander Bilovol in the air of ICTV TV channel. According to him, "the epidemic of influenza and acute respiratory disease is observed in the western regions. Especially in 11 regions, where the threshold is exceed almost by 15 percents, - said the chief sanitary doctor. - In other regions, there are indexes which were in 2007-2008" , - said Oleksander Bilovol.

According to him, as a result of the epidemic, according to latest figures, 71 people died. Chief sanitary doctor reported that there were 14 cases of influenza A/H1N1 which were confirmed in the laboratories. "Three people, who died, had A/H1N1 influenza", - Ukrainskaya Pravda cites Oleksander Bilovol as saying.

Yesterday, on November 2 Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko claimed at the meeting with Ukrainian producers of medicines: "They say today that there is an epidemic of swine flu, while only 14 cases of infection with the virus have been identified. The epidemic of seasonal influenza is in Ukraine," writes the newspaper Kommersant-Ukraine.

According to the operative data of the Ministry of Health, as of 05:00 p.m. on November 2 in Ukraine, more than 255,000 patients with influenza or acute respiratory viral infections have been recorded. Out of them more than 120,000 are children. More than 15,000 people are hospitalized. 235 people are in the grave condition.

In brackets - data as of November 1.

Region - Number of patients with influenza or acute respiratory viral infections

Crimea – 1,129 people (earlier 845)
Vinnitza Region – 3,973 people (earlier 2,797)
Volyn Region – 17,000 people (earlier 2,419)
Dnipropetrivsk Region – 3,877 (earlier 2,167)
Donetsk Region – 3,165 people (earlier 2,550)
Zhytomir Region – 1,141 people (earlier 927)
Transcarpathian Region – 7,004 people (earlier 2,444)
Zaporizhia Region – 1,078 people (earlier 773)
Ivano-Frankivsk Region – 36,099 people (earlier 27,091)
Kyiv Region – 11,037 people (earlier 4,107)
Kyrovohrad Region – 606 people (earlier 290)
Luhansk Region – 0 or no data
Lviv Region – 89,669 people (earlier 69,176)
Mykolayiv Region – 992 people
Odessa Region – 2,772 people (earlier 1,414)
Poltava Region – 1,754 people (earlier 1,369)
Rivne Region – 8,937 people (earlier 5,727)
Sumy Region – 362 people (earlier 176)
Ternopil Region – 29,473 people (earlier 39,046)
Kharkiv Region – 2,575 people (earlier 1,494)
Kherson Region – 805 people (earlier 789)
Khmelnytsky Region – 2,628 people (earlier 1,866)
Cherkassy Region – 2,568 people (earlier 1,588)
Chernivtsi Region – 17,711 people (earlier 12,980)
Chernihiv Region – 1,931 people (earlier 1,652)
Kyiv – 6,357 people
Sevastopil – 865 people (earlier 395)

Altogether – 255,516 people (earlier 191,491)

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 04:34 PM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/377200.html


// 03.11.2009 // 17:00 //
Epidemic in Ukraine going on. Country fights with flu
MIGnews.com.ua

On November 2 Dnipropetrivsk city council closed kindergartens to quarantine to prevent the spread of colds and acute respiratory viral infections. Transport department of Lutsk city council on Nov. 2 agreed with 4 private taxi services about free cars to convey local doctors to patients at home. Health Department of Zaporizhia Regional State Administration has established a telephone hot line to inform the public about the prevention of influenza. Hot telephone line runs from 8:00 a.m. to 05:00 p.m. Call (061) 239-01-41. Vinnitsa Regional Committee on Technological and Environmental Safety and Emergencies decided to suspend the work of all industrial markets due to the threat of the influenza epidemic. Work of all night clubs, discos, as well as major sports complexes has been suspended from 3 to 10 of November.

The Euro-Atlantic Coordination Center response to disasters of the International Secretariat of NATO in response to the appeal of Foreign Minister Petro Poroshenko spread a special situational circular among member countries and partners of the Alliance, which contains information on the situation in Ukraine in connection with the spread of a flu epidemic and the urgent needs in this regard. According to the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, as of November 2, in response to the circular of the NATO International Secretariat, members of the Alliance have begun to provide humanitarian assistance to Ukraine.

Georgia sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine in order to combat the epidemic of influenza. This was reported in the Embassy of Georgia in Ukraine, with reference to the Ambassador Grigol Katamadze. According to the Embassy, today on the initiative of president of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili, the Georgian government has allocated from the state reserve medications and gauze bandages, UNIAN reported.

Ukraine asks Spain to provide our country with medical equipment for treatment of patients with influenza A (H1N1), is reported in the press service of President Viktor Yushchenko.

The UNO assist Ukraine in combating the pandemic influenza A (H1N1). On Monday, the World Health Organization (WHO) sent a team of experts to Ukraine to help the authorities to stop the epidemic, reports the UNO News Center.

Today the Verkhovna Rada held a meeting. Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko was the first who made a speech. The Prime Minister appealed to the statistics of morbidity over the past few years, and stocks of drugs. According to her, all stocks went into hospital for an emergency medical care, rather than in pharmacies.

Yulia Tymoshenko claimed that she already sent a request to the Prosecutor’s General Office of Ukraine about the possibility to make inspections in pharmacies. The tax inspectorate, the price inspection and inspection for control over quality of medicines will be engaged into it. The head of the government requests to bring violators to criminal responsibility.

The Prime Minister said the situation in nine regions of quarantine almost is stabilized, and only in the Volyn Region statistics slightly increased.

The Prime Minister spoke about medical bandages, which are being sewed for 2 days already, and about special laboratories for mass tests (total 37 laboratories were purchased - at 1-2 in the region).

In addition, Prime Minister stressed that the rapid tests for detection of swine influenza can be made only in the laboratories. According to her, rapid tests do not give 100% accuracy.

Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine has obliged the heads of all educational institutions to cease study urgently. It is said in the letter from the Ministry on November 2, 2009 № 1/9-758 "On the organization of educational institutions for the period of the influenza epidemic", the text of which is available on the official website of the Ministry.

wakeup2nwo
03-11-2009, 04:39 PM
In 2010, Ukraine Will Require The Implementation Of Banking, Regulatory, Taxation And Land Reforms

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/in-2010-ukraine-will-require-the-implementation-of-banking-regulatory-taxation-and-land-reforms-68842842.html

NEW YORK, Nov. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- In 2010, Ukraine will need to implement a number of reforms to increase the competitiveness of the economy and ensure its growth throughout the post-crisis period, stated Nataliya Izosimova, Director of the Foundation for Effective Governance (FEG). Izosimova made this statement at a conference titled "Ukraine: Challenges and Opportunities," held in Moscow by FEG and the Russian newspaper Vedomosti.

"For a number of reasons, the economic crisis has had a greater impact on Ukraine than on its neighboring countries. The economic recession creates great risks for society and the state. Ukraine cannot increase its competitiveness and ensure steady economic growth during the post-crisis period, without realizing tactical anti-recessionary measures and implementing long-term reforms. The crisis creates unique opportunities for structural change," she emphasized.

According to Victor Chernomyrdin, Advisor to the President of the Russian Federation and former RF Ambassador to Ukraine, a keynote speaker at the conference, Ukraine must achieve political stability before it can overcome the crisis.

"The economic crisis has had a particularly negative influence on Ukraine, as well as on Russia. That is why it is difficult for Russia to recommend solutions. However, we would overcome the crisis together. If we work together, it will be easier for our economies to survive," he stated.

Andrey Lobach, FEG's senior Project Manager, identified several key priorities that should serve as a background for the Foundation for its projects in 2010. The following reforms should be implemented: banking system reform, the approval of a new tax code, the simplification of the conditions for carrying out business activities, the removal of the moratorium for land sale, the development of a public-private partnership (PPP) institute, the improvement of bankruptcy procedures, and state administrative apparatus reform.

"Firstly, these reforms can increase competitiveness and improve the business climate. Secondly, they may be accomplished relatively quickly and realized within 2010. Thirdly, the realization of these measures does not require major financial resources," Lobach highlighted.

Alexander Savchenko, Deputy Minister of Finance of Ukraine and former Deputy Head of the National Bank of Ukraine in 2007-2009, also spoke about the importance of reforms during the conference. According to Savchenko, economic fluctuations align with political fights, which severely affect the economy.

As part of the conference, FEG and Vedomosti organized discussions about different strategies for tackling the economic crisis in Russia and Ukraine. The following solutions were offered:

Alexander Lukanov, President of Alfa-Bank Ukraine, highlighted that the stabilization of the banking sector is the most realistic goal. In his opinion, inflow of foreign capital through foreign banks' support would allow the situation to stabilize. Within the forecast for the following year, Lukanov declared that public confidence will return to the banking sector, and more deposits will be made.

Denis Bugrov, Board Member at Sberbank of Russia, stressed that the long-term success of developing Russia-Ukraine relations depends on the choice of reforms. Among the priorities that need to be addressed, Bugrov named political stability, and the removal of obvious barriers and obstacles in the tax legislation and land tax code, as well as the creation of motivators for improving the economy's effectiveness.

Elena Kuznetsova, Senior Manager at McKinsey & Company, pointed out that political and macroeconomic stability and understanding of the necessity of reforms are the key indicators that demonstrate how Ukraine learned from the crisis.

A debate with the motion Russia is Ukraine's key partner in overcoming the economic crisis was the second session of the conference. FEG regularly runs debates together with UK-based Intelligence Squared in Ukraine. Several speakers spoke for or against the motion, and then the audience actively participated in the discussion.

Andrey Shevchenko, Member of Parliament of Ukraine and First Deputy Head of the Rada Committee on the freedom of speech and information, pointed out during the debates that Russia and Ukraine almost froze diplomatic communications. In his opinion, the elites of both countries have completely lost trust in each other. In Ukraine, any business with Russia is regarded as a risky opportunity to gain greater control over Ukraine. In its turn, Russia stereotypes Ukraine as a secondary state.

Opponents of the motion that Russia can help Ukraine overcome the crisis better than others, are convinced that it is impossible to discuss the status of being a "major partner" while having such an unreliable relationship. Therefore, it is important for Ukraine to focus on European economic relations.

Igor Shumilo, Executive Director for economic issues at the National Bank of Ukraine, expressed confidence that Europe is the only civilized choice for Ukraine to cope with the consequences of the economic crisis.

However, experts defending the motion that Russia is Ukraine's key partner in overcoming the crisis emphasized that Europe is not necessarily the best option for Ukraine's economy.

Kirill Dmitriev, Managing Partner and President of Icon Private Equity, highlighted that Europe is weak from the economic perspective. It has many problems and is not of interest for Ukraine. Moreover, Europe is not particularly focused on Ukraine.

Dmitriev said that economic pragmatism is the main priority for Ukraine and Russia. "Close cooperation between the two countries will enable them to carry out innovative and industrial breakthroughs, as well as raise competitiveness of their economies. Furthermore, the creation of a uniform economic space will lead to efficient economic results," he stated.

According to Sergey Glaziev, Head of the New Economy Institute of SUM and General Secretary of EurAsEc, links between the countries are so close that the Russia-Ukraine pairing is the obvious choice.

Irina Akimova, Member of Parliament of Ukraine and Deputy Head of the Committee on Economic Policy, concluded that Ukraine needs equal partnership relations with Russia as well as the EU. She is convinced that there is no conflict between European integration and a partnership with Russia.

Summing up the discussion at the conference, Konstantin Grishchenko, the Ambassador of Ukraine to Russia, claimed that at least in a short-term prospect, and under mutual respect, Russia is the nearest, most serious and effective partner for Ukraine.

In relation to long-term prospects of Russia-Ukraine relationships and Russia's assistance in overcoming the crisis in particular, Grishchenko said: "We have to plan a long-term perspective strategically and build these relations based on completely different principles. I am convinced we have all necessary capabilities for that to happen."

"Ukraine: Challenges and Opportunities" was held on October 22, 2009 in Moscow. It was organized by the Ukrainian Foundation for Effective Governance and the Russian newspaper Vedomosti.

The participants of the conference included Victor Chernomyrdin - Advisor to the President of the Russian Federation; Konstantin Grishchenko - Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of Ukraine to the Russian Federation; Irina Akimova - Member of Parliament of Ukraine, Deputy Head of the Committee on Economic Policy; Kirill Dmitriev - Managing Partner and President of Icon Private Equity; Denis Bugrov - Board Member at Sberbank of Russia; Alexander Savchenko - former Deputy Head of the National Bank of Ukraine (2007 - 2009); Alexander Lukanov - President at Alfa Bank Ukraine; Ruslan Ibragimov - Vice-President at MTS; Elena Kuznetsova - Senior Manager at McKinsey & Company; Igor Shumilo - Executive Director for economic issues at the National Bank of Ukraine; Aleksandr Martynenko - General Director at IA Interfax-Ukraine; Andrey Shevchenko - Member of Parliament of Ukraine and the First Deputy Head of the Rada Committee on the freedom of speech and information; and Sergey Glaziev - Head of the New Economy Institute of SUM and General Secretary of EurAsEc.

About The Foundation for Effective Governance

The Foundation for Effective Governance (FEG), an independent public policy institution, was formed in 2007 by Ukrainian businessman Rinat Akhmetov. FEG's main objective is to encourage the development of long-term national economic programs for Ukraine, through the formulation of practical policy solutions to the political, economic and social challenges facing the country. The basic principles governing FEG's activities are independence, a focus on economic development, openness, and a practice-oriented approach. FEG's International Advisory Board includes former Prime Minister of Canada Kim Campbell, Chair; former U.S. Sen. Lincoln Chafee; and Gyorgy Suranyi, former president of the National Bank of Hungary. More information is available at www.feg.org.ua/en.

SOURCE The Foundation for Effective Governance

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 07:04 PM
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51825/


Poland: European Union must help Ukraine to fight swine flu
Today at 17:02

WARSAW, Nov 3 (Reuters) - Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has called on the European Union to help neighbouring Ukraine fight a swine flu epidemic, saying its further spread is threatening the wider bloc.

Ukraine shut schools, banned public meetings and restricted travel earlier this month in an attempt to combat the H1N1 flu epidemic, which has caused public concern in Poland.

"The character of this threat demands that rapid action be undertaken at the European Union level," Tusk wrote in a letter to European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt, who holds the rotating EU presidency.

"This will serve both the interests of Ukraine, and the EU itself," he said in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters on Tuesday.

Tusk urged Brussels to hold an extraordinary meeting of the EU's health council to identify Ukraine's needs and discuss availability of vaccines.

Poland has so far had only about a dozen H1N1 cases and none has been fatal. But news broadcasts showed Poles lining up at pharmacies to get sanitary masks which were quickly sold out in a sign of growing public concern.

Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer told Reuters that Warsaw was awaiting a reply from Brussels, and said he feared the epidemic could spread rapidly in eastern Europe.

"Poland has already organised quite reasonable help for Ukraine, but in a split second we will see swine flu in Belarus, we are already hearing something about Romania," he said.

Shipments of medicine and medical equipment have been leaving Poland for Ukraine in recent days. A growing number of swine flu cases have also been reported in Germany and Slovakia, which likewise share borders with Poland. (Writing by Gabriela Baczynska; editing by David Stamp)

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 09:09 PM
It was a horror that turned victims bluish-black then drowned them with their own body fluids. the death toll was highest in the ages 15 to 40, those in the peak of health. The victims would be fine one minute and the next incapacitated, fever-racked, and delirious. Temperatures rose to 104-106 degrees, skin turned blue, purple, or deep brown from lack of oxygen. Massive pneumonia attacked the lungs, filling them with fluid; blood gushed from the nose. Death was quick, savage, and terrifying. The 1918 influenza was not the flu Americans were familiar with.


http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/influenza%20phil%201918.htm


Philadelphia, Nurses, and the Spanish Influenza Pandemic of 1918
James F. Armstrong, RN, BSN, CCRN


I had a little bird and its name was Enza
I opened the window and
in-flu-enza

Children's jump rope rhyme heard nationwide during the height of the pandemic.



The Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the greatest, most lethal pandemic the world has ever known. In its 10-month duration between 22 and 40 million people perished worldwide. Estimates place the death toll in the United States at over 675,000 with over 22 million becoming ill. Leading physicians of the time thought the illness a bacterium, but in fact it was something not yet discovered--a virus. American were familiar with the flu; it sent you to bed, made you miserable for 3 or 4 days with fever, muscle aches, and congestion, then left you shaky for about a week. It made millions sick, yet killed only the oldest, youngest, and most feeble.

The 1918 influenza was not the flu Americans were familiar with. It was a horror that turned victims bluish-black then drowned them with their own body fluids. the death toll was highest in the ages 15 to 40, those in the peak of health. The victims would be fine one minute and the next incapacitated, fever-racked, and delirious. Temperatures rose to 104-106 degrees, skin turned blue, purple, or deep brown from lack of oxygen. Massive pneumonia attacked the lungs, filling them with fluid; blood gushed from the nose. Death was quick, savage, and terrifying.

The America of 1918 was in its second year of involvement in World War I, and millions of young Americans were in uniform. Great military camps were established throughout the United States for the training of soldiers and filled to overflowing. Most of these camps were near large cities or well populated areas. Railroads moved these soldiers rapidly across the country toward the East Coast to pack into troopships bound for the battlefields of Europe. Sailors and merchant seamen who crowded port cities had access to all parts of the world.

Civilians flooded cities to work in the expanded war industry, huge rallies and parades were held, all to support the war effort. The country was the perfect breeding ground for the coming pandemic.

The pandemic had three distinct waves, the first coming from the American heartland, most probably Kansas. During March[,] soldiers and civilians around Ft. Riley, KS, rapidly became ill; some of them died, their lungs swollen with bloody fluid. The disease spread to other camps and port cities. Statistics of military and civilian deaths in March and April of 1918 demonstrated a sharp rise between the ages 21 to 29. The illness astounded physicians with its rapid onset, how rapidly it spread, and how quickly it killed those in the most robust of health.

Then, that summer, it subsided, and the United States was virtually free of the flu. However, the disease was on the move, riding the troopships to Europe and turning them into a nightmare of illness and death.

The influenza then arrived in Europe with the 1.5 million soldiers who brought more death with their virus than the weapons they carried. It raged across Europe and into Asia, eventually killing more American soldiers than the war. Approximately 80 percent of Spain's population contracted the flu giving rise to the rumor it started there.

Sometime, late in the summer of 1918, the virus mutated in a response to increasing human antibodies. Now in its most virulent form it returned in the same ships that took it to Europe, making landfall in Boston in September. There, it killed over 2000 people.
Philadelphia
Philadelphia's population in 1918 was 1,700,000 with war industry adding another 300,000 transient workers. The city was teeming with large ghettos representing every oppressed ethnic group from Europe. The city's medical resources, some of the best in the country, were strained. Twenty-six percent of Philadelphia physicians and a much larger percentage of nurses were away serving with the military; 75 percent of Philadelphia's hospitals' medical and surgical staffs were overseas. Although the city's board of health knew the flu had gotten to Europe in July, and had made it to Boston by the third week of September, it still did not make it a reportable disease. The flu was coming to Philadelphia and the city was not prepared.

The disease appeared first at the sprawling naval base and shipyard on 18 September. The next day 600 sailors were ill; at the same time civilian hospitals started receiving patients. The board of health now began to act by instituting a public campaign against coughing, sneezing, and spitting. Philadelphia was about to become the American city with the highest, most rapidly accumulating, death toll in the worst pandemic in recorded history. In a single day, the death toll reached 1,700.

Dr. Paul A. Lewis, director of the Phipps Institute of Philadelphia stated he had isolated the cause of the flu, Pfeiffer's Bacillus. The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that this discovery armed the medical profession with the absolute knowledge on which to base its attack on the disease. they both were wrong! Despite the crisis, on 28 September, 200,000 people gathered in the streets to view the kickoff of the Fourth Liberty Loan Drive. The parade stretched 23 blocks through the city; death marched with it.

By 4 October the University of Pennsylvania's newspaper The Daily Pennsylvanian reported 636 new cases and 139 deaths. The paper would continue to give a daily count throughout the epidemic. On that day the board of health closed all schools, churches, theaters, and saloons. All citizens were ordered to wear gauze masks in public, "Obey the laws and wear the gauze protect your jaws from septic paws." Those daring not to wear masks were ridiculed by being called "slackers," the worst epithet of the day, or were physically run off the streets. A sneeze or cough sent people scurrying.

As the death toll mounted, a frantic public stripped medicines from pharmacy shelves. Students from Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Temple University assisted in filling prescriptions, mostly for whiskey, as it was the only place one could get it. As medications disappeared, people turned to folk remedies and ridiculous concoctions sold by charlatans.

On 10 October, 528 died in the city. Thirty-fourth street, in front of Philadelphia General hospital, was crowded with vehicles of every description bringing the sick, the dying, and, in most cases, the dead to the hospital. The scene was repeating itself in front of every hospital in the city. Many of the staff of PGH were sick because this was a disease of necessity (meaning care was provided for the symptoms, not the cure), the majority of work fell to nurses. PGH School of Nursing's chief nurse, Lillian Clayton, worked 48-hour shifts. Sheer exhaustion allowed many of the nurses to become ill; four died. Miss Clayton offered to allow all preliminary (freshman) nursing students to return home rather than face the disease, yet all volunteered to stay. Six eventually died from flu.

Throughout the country the United States Health Department was besieged by calls for more nurses to care for the sick. GEN John J. Pershing, commander of all American troops in Europe sent an urgent appeal for 1,500 more nurses. Philadelphia's trained nurses were not enough; student nurse and lay volunteers were quickly utilized.

The University of Pennsylvania's School of Nursing's 1919 yearbook describes the scene: "Then came the epidemic of influenza, and our plans for service (in the armed forces) were brought to a standstill, for we had all we could manage at home. Ever in our hearts will remain the memory of those classmates, Grace Virginia Fitzgerald and Marie Luise O. Boremann who gave their lives in the influenza epidemic October twelfth and thirteen 1918."

The frustration of Philadelphia nurses can best be illustrated by the 1919 annual report of the Chestnut Hill Hospital's School of Nursing where a passage reads, "most tragic because of the loss by death of so many nurses and because of our inability to meet the needs of the patients who came to us during the epidemic of influenza that swept the city."

Philadelphia's well-organized Society of Visiting Nurses, "had every thought and previous action blotted from their minds," by the great tragedy. Nurses were busy around the clock caring for the thousands of sick who could not reach a hospital. They described entering houses where all members of a family were dead. Some had both parents dead and the children starving. In some neighborhoods they were hailed as saviors. In others they were shunned due to the white gowns and gauze masks they wore.

The Philadelphia Automobile Club volunteered and effectively transported the nurses on their rounds. Care of the sick was made even more difficult by the refusal of some people to assist in the care of neighbors and even relatives for fear of contracting the disease. The Society of Visiting Nurses, in its 1918 report claimed the influenza epidemic gave it purpose and resources it never would have had otherwise. Members cared for thousands during the epidemic and some gave their lives.

A growing problem that threatened the living was the dead. Bodies started piling up in makeshift morgues and in the streets. In a vision not seen since the Black Death of medieval Europe, carts went through the street, their drivers calling for people to bring out the dead for burial. Wagonloads of bodies, some dead over a week, were buried in Potter's Field at Second and Luzerne Streets. Highway workers dug large trenches and filled them to capacity. the provmise that bodies could later be retrieved and reinterred after the epidemic subsided persuaded relatives to give up loved ones. Relatives never recovered most of the bodies.
Aftermath
By October 27th the epidemic began to subside as quickly as it came. Other parts of the country would continue to suffer from the pandemic well into the spring of 1919. The passing of influenza through the city left an estimated 12,191 dead. In but 4 weeks, there were 47,094 reported cases.

As soon as the dying stopped the forgetting began. The 1918 influenza pandemic is seldom mentioned, and most Americans have never heard of it. What is amazing is just how quickly the amnesia began. In researching archives, I was shocked at how little appeared in journals, yearbooks, and annual reports during the pandemic or within a year of its passing. And here was a disease that killed more people in less time than any other event in world history. It was as though it had never happened. It certaily is true that the human mind always trieds to expunge the intolerable from memory.

Medical science remains haunted by the disappearance of the virus. Where did it come from, and where did it go? Virologists are only now slowly unlocking the secrets of the Spanish Flu from recently discovered lung tissue specimens from 1918. Apparently, the virus' savageness was due to a flu strain that had undergone a mutation. Influenza viruses mutate constantly in what is known as antigenic drift, usually in such minimal ways that last year's flu or vaccine offers at least some protection against this year's outbreak. But about every decade or two, such drift may be so dramatic as to be regarded by the human body as an entirely new virus. Then it sweeps through the human population with a vengeance. In 1957 the Asian flu killed 70,000 Americans. In 1968 the Hong Kong flu killed 28,000.

In a recent report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, epidemiologists believe the probability is high that another dangerous new strain of the influenza virus will emerge. Combined with the world's increased population and jet-age travel, the stage could be set for another catastrophe. This pandemic could spread so fast that research laboratories could not isolate, prepare, and distribute an appropriate vaccine in time. Jeffery K. Taubenberger of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and the primary researcher of the 1918 virus points out that if the records are any indication, another pandemic is inevitable. The question is when.

The Spanish Influenza's legacy is carved in stone, amid the cemeteries of cities, towns, and villages throughout [the] United States. A walk through any one of them will possibly reveal a mass grave or perhaps a poignant tombstone inscribed with the year of death--1918.
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07 November 2005

frase
03-11-2009, 09:35 PM
Gordon Brown tells the truth. The truth doesnt need smokenmirrors, hype, spin, it speaks for itself. When MSM attack someone u hav 2 ask why. Q. who is genuine n who isnt?


@jesuit.....
Do you believe this statement above?!!
I have often thought that myself, but when he is aligned with Blair, and Mandleson I find it hard to believe......
Guy is a cunt.

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 09:48 PM
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1574%3Aplague-pneumonia-diagnosed-in-ukraine-unconfirmed-reports&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en


The situation is getting worse and worse
booga booga 2009-11-03 13:30:40

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine".

fraza.com.ua

The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".

It is also required to distribute masks at health facilities with 8 levels of protection and anti-plague protection costumes. There is also an informal order not to allow any visitors to see the patients.

According to the "Fraza" agency, "today in Ukraine pneumonic plague is going in parallel with swine flu. The plague has killed over 60 people, and about 14 from the flu.

Meanwhile, the press service of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine reported that there is only one death from "California" virus A/N1N1 in Ukraine.

"In Ukraine there are 22 cases recorded of the virus A/N1N1 disease and there is only one fatal consequence as a result. All other cases of death from influenza has only a speculative attitude to "California" virus," press service reports.

The situation with the epidemic of influenza is a complex and unpredictable because of the propensity of influenza A/H1N1 virus to mutation, said First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets on Monday, November 2.

"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs.

At a press conference Lazoryshynets also said that there are 22 officially confirmed cases of influenza A/H1N1 in Ukraine.

First Vice Prime Minister Oleksandr Turchinov previously stated that as of Monday morning, November 2, there are 64 registered deaths in Ukraine from flu and acute respiratory viral infections.

Meantime, according to official information the highest level of epidemiological risk is declared in Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanislav) area, from 2 November. This decision was made by Ivano-Frankivsk Regional emergency epidemiological commission at the extended session on November 2.

In accordance with the Commission, quarantine will last for all educational institutions in the area until 20 November, a commission to monitor the distribution of medicines is also made, which come in the region as humanitarian aid.

The commission agreed that health workers will provide individual first aid kit. There will be extra transport allocated to visit patients by the district doctors.
According to the Ministry of Health, today in Ukraine there are 255 000 registered cases of influenza and SARS, of whom 15 000 were hospitalized.

Ministry of Transport and Communications of Ukraine introduced a permanent monitoring of the situation on a clear implementation of the planned anti-epidemic measures in public transport.

A special monitoring group studied the transport department on November 2, how the anti-epidemiological measures were applied at the Kiev railway station, central bus station of the capital and the International airport "Borispol".

Polish epidemiologists November 3 arrive in Ukraine for obtaining specimens from patients with the Ukrainians. The experts will arrive in Lviv, where it is supposed to take 190 samples.

Polish epidemiologists are expected to arrive in Ukraine on November 3 to obtain samples from patients. The experts will arrive in Lviv, where 190 samples are to be taken.

Lithuanian Foreign Ministry on November 2 recommended to the residents of Lithuania to refrain from unnecessary trips to the Ukraine.

Department of Monitoring,

Kavkaz Center

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 09:52 PM
http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/377118.html


// 03.11.2009 // 12:30 //
Who ordered kill chief sanitary doctor?
MIGnews.com.ua

Employees of criminal search department of the Kyiv Police revealed the attempted murder in March 2009 of Chief Sanitary Doctor of Railway Transport of Ukraine Roman Makomel, said Chief of the Main Department of Interior Ministry in Kyiv Vitaly Yarema reported at a press conference.

According to him, the crime was revealed within the framework of a criminal investigation of the murder in 2006 of the Chief sanitary doctor of railway Vasyl Anashkin. Three apprehended for the murder of Vasyl Anashkin are involved in the attempted assassination in March of this year Roman Makomel.

Vitaly Yarema said that the organizer of these crimes is detained – particularly, the director of the commercial structure, which provided Ukrzaliznytsia with services to sanitize the rolling stock. According to Vitaly Yarema, he is the man gave the killers gun Walter and grenade RGD-5 to eliminate Roman Makomel.

Vitaly Yarema said that "if the deputy Roman Makomel did not throw a grenade, which jammed between the window frames, seven people who were present at the meeting would be injured.

At the same time he explained that the motive of commission of both crimes were intentions both of Vasyl Anashkin, and Roman Makomel to optimize means to deprive businesses structures of an opportunity to disinfect the carriages and return the function of to the sanitary epidemiological station of Ukrzaliznytza as it was before, because some of these firms are receiving from the state budget up to Hr 100 mn per year, UNIAN reports.

As a reminder, the murder of Vasyl Anashkin was committed on March 29, 2006 at the Hryhorenko Avenue in Kyiv. At that time a group of unknown people shot Anashkin, born in 1949. The prosecutor’s office in the Darnytsa district of Kyiv opened the case. As a result of the operational search activities, three Kharkiv residents born in 1982-1973 were detained, two of whom were the leaders of society with limited liability. The murder weapon - a gun Walter was found and confiscated.

On March 11, 2009 an unknown threw a grenade into the building of the State Sanitary-Epidemiological Station in railway transport (under the Ministry of Health), resulting in injuring of 7 people. The criminal case was opened under Article 15 (attempt to commit crime) and article 115 (premeditated murder) of the Criminal Code of Ukraine.

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 09:55 PM
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1565%3Aunconfirmed-reports-seasonal-flu-vaccine-in-ukraine-contaminated-with-live-bird-flu-virus&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en


Unconfirmed report that seasonal flu vaccine in Ukraine contaminated with live bird flu virus

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Unconfirmed reports from the Ukraine say that the seasonal flu vaccine used was contaminated by the live bird flu H5N1 virus and that the presence of the artifical virus has resulted in the unusually large numbers of deaths and cases of sick people.

The symptoms reported are consistent with people being infected with the bird flu virus, namely severe lung infections, blood and pneumonia.

The panic caused by the emergence of such a virus will help big pharma, the media and WHO/UN stampede people into taking the swine flu jab.

Other safe and effective measures that offer protection against a lethal virus, such as colloidal silver, MMS, face masks and vitamins are not being mentioned by the mainstream media.

Also, WHO has officially said that the seasonal flu jab can contain a "pandemic" virus, paving the way for big pharma to put in virulent viruses.

WHO supplied Baxter in Austria with the live bird flu virus which Baxter then used to contaminated 72 kilos of seasonal flu vaccine this February.

Because Baxter is obliged to adhere to biosafety level 3 regulations when handling the aritifical bird flu virus, developed by Jeffrey Taubenberg in a US bioweapons lab, an accidental contamination can be ruled out.

Baxter distributed the 72 kilos of contaminated vaccine material with a false label to 16 labs in four countries -- Czech Republic, Slovenia, Germany and Austria -- so nearly triggering a bird flu pandemic, according to the Times of India.

A WHO affiliated scientist in France, Professor Bruno Lina, told the local media this summer he was looking for a gene to make the swine flu more virulent.

Injecting the live bird flu virus into people will increase the chances of a lethal virus mutation emerging as happened in Indonesia when a WHO mandated vaccination campaign led to an outbreak of bird flu.

tusme
03-11-2009, 10:12 PM
i think this one was posted y'day?
Oops...thanks Jesuitsdidit :)

jesuitsdidit
03-11-2009, 10:46 PM
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/275/5307/1793


Performing your original search, Science 1997 Taubenberger, in Science will retrieve 21 results.

Science 21 March 1997:
Vol. 275. no. 5307, pp. 1793 - 1796
DOI: 10.1126/science.275.5307.1793

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Initial Genetic Characterization of the 1918 "Spanish" Influenza Virus

Jeffery K. Taubenberger, *† Ann H. Reid, † Amy E. Krafft, Karen E. Bijwaard, Thomas G. Fanning

The "Spanish" influenza pandemic killed at least 20 million people in 1918-1919, making it the worst infectious pandemic in history. Understanding the origins of the 1918 virus and the basis for its exceptional virulence may aid in the prediction of future influenza pandemics. RNA from a victim of the 1918 pandemic was isolated from a formalin-fixed, paraffin-embedded, lung tissue sample. Nine fragments of viral RNA were sequenced from the coding regions of hemagglutinin, neuraminidase, nucleoprotein, matrix protein 1, and matrix protein 2. The sequences are consistent with a novel H1N1 influenza A virus that belongs to the subgroup of strains that infect humans and swine, not the avian subgroup.

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jiffy
03-11-2009, 10:56 PM
Sorry scare mongers this is more like it

Rival: PM using flue scare for politics
Journal Staff Report

KIEV, Nov. 2 – The government overreacted to an outbreak of the swine flu in Ukraine to give competitive advantage to Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko at the next presidential election, a Tymoshenko rival charged Monday.

The panic triggered by the government’s decision to declare the outbreak a major threat, has served to overshadow recent scandals involving Tymoshenko loyalists, Arseniy Yatseniuk, the No. 3 most popular presidential candidate, said.

“This is in fact part of the political campaign,” Yatseniuk said in an interview with ICTV. “The main thing is to get the presidential office. All efforts and resources have been thrown for this.”

At least 71 people, in western regions of Ukraine, were killed by the swine flu over the past three weeks, but the death toll figure has been apparently hovering around levels usually caused by seasonal flu.

Oleksandr Bilovol, a deputy healthcare minister, said Monday the outbreak has been essentially contained in 11 out of 25 Ukrainian regions, with the number of people only 15% exceeding figures reported in previous years.

“Figures in other the regions are in line with 2007 and 2008,” Bilovol said.

The Tymoshenko government on Friday declared the outbreak as the threat of the third level – the highest possible – to unlock spending of up to 3 billion hryvnias to combat the swine flu.

Other measures included shutting down schools and public gatherings for three weeks across Ukraine, with the government also considering introducing restrictions on movement of people between the regions.

The measures, some of the sternest in the world, come in sharp contrast with other Eastern European countries that face similar challenges, analysts said.

Margaret Chan, the director general of the World Health Organization, which tracks the swine flu internationally, sees the pandemic as “moderate” in severity with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment.

Yatseniuk said the ban on public gatherings spreads fear and panic helping Tymoshenko to promote herself on television, while hindering other presidential candidates to campaign.

Yatseniuk is Tymoshenko’s biggest rival as both compete for votes in western regions of Ukraine. He is perhaps the only candidate that may challenge Tymoshenko in the first round of vote on January 17, 2010 to enter the runoff with opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych.

Yatseniuk’s rating has been showing negative growth over the past several months, suggesting that Tymoshenko has been winning over voters in the western regions.

“Why did the outbreak take place in four western regions? Because there are four battleground regions for the electorate,” Yatseniuk said.

He said the panic spread by the government helps to put aside issues that are politically damaging to Tymoshenko, including the pedophile and the murder scandals involving Tymoshenko lawmakers, and Ukraine’s dismal economic performance caused by mismanagement.

“Now, look what happened,” Yatseniuk said. “Does anybody talk about the pedophile scandal? No. Maybe somebody talks about Lozynskiy [a Tymoshenko lawmaker accused of shooting a person to death]? No. Maybe somebody talks about wages? No. Maybe somebody talks about four million unemployed? No. Maybe somebody talks about unpaid natural gas bills? No.”

“People that are in fear, that are poor, are easier to be manipulated,” Yatseniuk said. “This is what the state apparatus is aimed at – manipulating the people.” (tl/ez)

http://www.ukrainianjournal.com/index.php?w=article&id=9367

wakeup2nwo
03-11-2009, 11:00 PM
Sorry scare mongers this is more like it

Rival: PM using flue scare for politics
Journal Staff Report

KIEV, Nov. 2 – The government overreacted to an outbreak of the swine flu in Ukraine to give competitive advantage to Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko at the next presidential election, a Tymoshenko rival charged Monday.

The panic triggered by the government’s decision to declare the outbreak a major threat, has served to overshadow recent scandals involving Tymoshenko loyalists, Arseniy Yatseniuk, the No. 3 most popular presidential candidate, said.

“This is in fact part of the political campaign,” Yatseniuk said in an interview with ICTV. “The main thing is to get the presidential office. All efforts and resources have been thrown for this.”

At least 71 people, in western regions of Ukraine, were killed by the swine flu over the past three weeks, but the death toll figure has been apparently hovering around levels usually caused by seasonal flu.

Oleksandr Bilovol, a deputy healthcare minister, said Monday the outbreak has been essentially contained in 11 out of 25 Ukrainian regions, with the number of people only 15% exceeding figures reported in previous years.

“Figures in other the regions are in line with 2007 and 2008,” Bilovol said.

The Tymoshenko government on Friday declared the outbreak as the threat of the third level – the highest possible – to unlock spending of up to 3 billion hryvnias to combat the swine flu.

Other measures included shutting down schools and public gatherings for three weeks across Ukraine, with the government also considering introducing restrictions on movement of people between the regions.

The measures, some of the sternest in the world, come in sharp contrast with other Eastern European countries that face similar challenges, analysts said.

Margaret Chan, the director general of the World Health Organization, which tracks the swine flu internationally, sees the pandemic as “moderate” in severity with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment.

Yatseniuk said the ban on public gatherings spreads fear and panic helping Tymoshenko to promote herself on television, while hindering other presidential candidates to campaign.

Yatseniuk is Tymoshenko’s biggest rival as both compete for votes in western regions of Ukraine. He is perhaps the only candidate that may challenge Tymoshenko in the first round of vote on January 17, 2010 to enter the runoff with opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych.

Yatseniuk’s rating has been showing negative growth over the past several months, suggesting that Tymoshenko has been winning over voters in the western regions.

“Why did the outbreak take place in four western regions? Because there are four battleground regions for the electorate,” Yatseniuk said.

He said the panic spread by the government helps to put aside issues that are politically damaging to Tymoshenko, including the pedophile and the murder scandals involving Tymoshenko lawmakers, and Ukraine’s dismal economic performance caused by mismanagement.

“Now, look what happened,” Yatseniuk said. “Does anybody talk about the pedophile scandal? No. Maybe somebody talks about Lozynskiy [a Tymoshenko lawmaker accused of shooting a person to death]? No. Maybe somebody talks about wages? No. Maybe somebody talks about four million unemployed? No. Maybe somebody talks about unpaid natural gas bills? No.”

“People that are in fear, that are poor, are easier to be manipulated,” Yatseniuk said. “This is what the state apparatus is aimed at – manipulating the people.” (tl/ez)

http://www.ukrainianjournal.com/index.php?w=article&id=9367

if you would have read the whole thread you would see ive allredy posted a verry simular artical :p

jiffy
03-11-2009, 11:10 PM
if you would have read the whole thread you would see ive allredy posted a verry simular artical :p

I apologize, find it difficult to read 20odd pages of scaremongering nonsense;)

Thread is the same old shit when swine flu hit Mexico the car crash gang all hoping for the worst!!!!!

Still when this fades into the night, they will all start making there wild Apocalypse forecasts when it brakes somewhere else.:rolleyes:

Some of you have the cheek to call others sheeple!!!!:eek: still your the enlightened one:rolleyes:

iane78
03-11-2009, 11:10 PM
I want to share some thoughts I've just recently had.

There are a few things that don't sit right with me. Don't get me wrong, I thought this was the real deal just a few days ago. Saw the last comment re bird flu infected seasonal shots... maybe it is. This would seem to add up knowing Baxter's history. Would they be that obvious though??

Firstly.. This Moshe guy who got tear gased in his car prior to disclosing this explosive info regarding a biological weapon to be used by Baxter on the Ukraine. Forgive me if I'm getting the story wrong, but why would you go on to a radio show and tell the world that you were going to disclose highly sensitive info?

This guy was a Mosad agent right? Wouldn't you get that information out there first to the right people?

Secondly, is it really possible for someone to have built up immunity to tear gas? I don't know, just asking...

Thirdly, where is the evidence, audio file etc for him going on to this radio show... does anyone actually have a copy?

I'm suspicious, and wondering whether or not this is just further fear mongering. The swine flu hoax didn't work, are they just trying to paint this as the real deal? Does anyone agree with me, that they've done a terrible job at trying to scare people into taking this swine shot? "Swine Flu" - bit of a joke isn't it? What about this thing from the Ukraine, people coughing up their guts?! :eek: We can believe it might actually be happening over there! In Blighty?! Nah. And stories of them spraying the people. Again, do we have something to work with, any video evidence, or were these reports from a lone few? Again, not ridiculing these statements just asking..

My take on this, is that it's still just about fear-mongering. "Get ya damn vaccine!!"

How do we get ill? The more I read the more I subscribe to the view that it is from the deficiency of Vitamin D, i.e. the lack of sun in our daily lives. What do these lovely chemtrails seem to be blocking out on a daily basis? Yes, that's right - the sun. What is a virus? Is the flu a virus? Or just a symptom of Vitamin D deficiency? There was that doctor who called in and was quite emphatic when he stated that you cannot get any virus unless it is injected into your bloodstream. Is this everyone else's opinion? Can we prove, or disprove this statement, cos it's kind of a biggy! Would be interested to hear people's opinion on this one.

These are questions I don't really know the answer to, and I'm exposing my ignorance to all, but I need to be honest and say that I'm buying the Vitamin D deficiency explanation as the reason for these ills.

Lack of Vitamin D = Immune system weak = illness.

Viruses??? I don't know.

By the way, I'm not attacking anyone's view here. Just laying out what I'm thinking at the moment. :)

Apologies for the spelling errors etc, just wanted to get this down while it was fresh in my thoughts

kweli
03-11-2009, 11:30 PM
I apologize, find it difficult to read 20odd pages of scaremongering nonsense;)

Thread is the same old shit when swine flu hit Mexico the car crash gang all hoping for the worst!!!!!

Still when this fades into the night, they will all start making there wild Apocalypse forecasts when it brakes somewhere else.:rolleyes:

Some of you have the cheek to call others sheeple!!!!:eek: still your the enlightened one:rolleyes:

Hmmm.. intolerance ain't a virtue jiffy, not saying you aspire to be virtuous of course ;) but it doesn't hurt to realise that folk here are all at different stages of their learning; coming from different backgrounds/experiences etc.. I can't blame anyone for getting a bit jumpy considering current events - - I reckon we should cut some slack and try and be a bit more gentle with each other?

neila
03-11-2009, 11:49 PM
I want to share some thoughts I've just recently had.

There are a few things that don't sit right with me. Don't get me wrong, I thought this was the real deal just a few days ago. Saw the last comment re bird flu infected seasonal shots... maybe it is. This would seem to add up knowing Baxter's history. Would they be that obvious though??

Firstly.. This Moshe guy who got tear gased in his car prior to disclosing this explosive info regarding a biological weapon to be used by Baxter on the Ukraine. Forgive me if I'm getting the story wrong, but why would you go on to a radio show and tell the world that you were going to disclose highly sensitive info?

This guy was a Mosad agent right? Wouldn't you get that information out there first to the right people?

Secondly, is it really possible for someone to have built up immunity to tear gas? I don't know, just asking...

Thirdly, where is the evidence, audio file etc for him going on to this radio show... does anyone actually have a copy?

I'm suspicious, and wondering whether or not this is just further fear mongering. The swine flu hoax didn't work, are they just trying to paint this as the real deal? Does anyone agree with me, that they've done a terrible job at trying to scare people into taking this swine shot? "Swine Flu" - bit of a joke isn't it? What about this thing from the Ukraine, people coughing up their guts?! :eek: We can believe it might actually be happening over there! In Blighty?! Nah]. And stories of them spraying the people. Again, do we have something to work with, any video evidence, or were these reports from a lone few? Again, not ridiculing these statements just asking..

My take on this, is that it's still just about fear-mongering. "Get ya damn vaccine!!"

How do we get ill? The more I read the more I subscribe to the view that it is from the deficiency of Vitamin D, i.e. the lack of sun in our daily lives. What do these lovely chemtrails seem to be blocking out on a daily basis? Yes, that's right - the sun. What is a virus? Is the flu a virus? Or just a symptom of Vitamin D deficiency? There was that doctor who called in and was quite emphatic when he stated that you cannot get any virus unless it is injected into your bloodstream. Is this everyone else's opinion? Can we prove, or disprove this statement, cos it's kind of a biggy! Would be interested to hear people's opinion on this one.

These are questions I don't really know the answer to, and I'm exposing my ignorance to all, but I need to be honest and say that I'm buying the Vitamin D deficiency explanation as the reason for these ills.

Lack of Vitamin D = Immune system weak = illness.

Viruses??? I don't know.

By the way, I'm not attacking anyone's view here. Just laying out what I'm thinking at the moment. :)

Apologies for the spelling errors etc, just wanted to get this down while it was fresh in my thoughts
Are you getting Ukraine confused with 'The UK' by any chance? just that u called it blighty:confused:

jesuitsdidit
04-11-2009, 12:17 AM
I want to share some thoughts I've just recently had.

There are a few things that don't sit right with me. Don't get me wrong, I thought this was the real deal just a few days ago. Saw the last comment re bird flu infected seasonal shots... maybe it is. This would seem to add up knowing Baxter's history. Would they be that obvious though??

Firstly.. This Moshe guy who got tear gased in his car prior to disclosing this explosive info regarding a biological weapon to be used by Baxter on the Ukraine. Forgive me if I'm getting the story wrong, but why would you go on to a radio show and tell the world that you were going to disclose highly sensitive info?

This guy was a Mosad agent right? Wouldn't you get that information out there first to the right people?

Secondly, is it really possible for someone to have built up immunity to tear gas? I don't know, just asking...

Thirdly, where is the evidence, audio file etc for him going on to this radio show... does anyone actually have a copy?

I'm suspicious, and wondering whether or not this is just further fear mongering. The swine flu hoax didn't work, are they just trying to paint this as the real deal? Does anyone agree with me, that they've done a terrible job at trying to scare people into taking this swine shot? "Swine Flu" - bit of a joke isn't it? What about this thing from the Ukraine, people coughing up their guts?! :eek: We can believe it might actually be happening over there! In Blighty?! Nah. And stories of them spraying the people. Again, do we have something to work with, any video evidence, or were these reports from a lone few? Again, not ridiculing these statements just asking..

My take on this, is that it's still just about fear-mongering. "Get ya damn vaccine!!"

How do we get ill? The more I read the more I subscribe to the view that it is from the deficiency of Vitamin D, i.e. the lack of sun in our daily lives. What do these lovely chemtrails seem to be blocking out on a daily basis? Yes, that's right - the sun. What is a virus? Is the flu a virus? Or just a symptom of Vitamin D deficiency? There was that doctor who called in and was quite emphatic when he stated that you cannot get any virus unless it is injected into your bloodstream. Is this everyone else's opinion? Can we prove, or disprove this statement, cos it's kind of a biggy! Would be interested to hear people's opinion on this one.

These are questions I don't really know the answer to, and I'm exposing my ignorance to all, but I need to be honest and say that I'm buying the Vitamin D deficiency explanation as the reason for these ills.

Lack of Vitamin D = Immune system weak = illness.

Viruses??? I don't know.

By the way, I'm not attacking anyone's view here. Just laying out what I'm thinking at the moment. :)

Apologies for the spelling errors etc, just wanted to get this down while it was fresh in my thoughts

could be fear
could be the real thing
without accurate information
we wont know..

iane78
04-11-2009, 12:24 AM
Are you getting Ukraine confused with 'The UK' by any chance? just that u called it blighty:confused:

Sorry, no it was just poor sentence construction from me. I was trying to say that maybe people are more likely to believe that something really bad is happening in Ukraine, opposed to in "Blighty" UK where people are generally mocking of this whole swine flu thing. I'm suggesting that people might panic when they hear of this supposed outbreak in the Ukraine, because it's far away and the general populous has preconceived ideas of how a virus pandemic should be, and where it should be. No-one really believes (I don't think) that there is a pandemic in the UK. In the Ukraine, maybe people can believe that. Does that make any sense?? I'm not sure myself now :)

jesuitsdidit
04-11-2009, 01:21 AM
Sorry, no it was just poor sentence construction from me. I was trying to say that maybe people are more likely to believe that something really bad is happening in Ukraine, opposed to in "Blighty" UK where people are generally mocking of this whole swine flu thing. I'm suggesting that people might panic when they hear of this supposed outbreak in the Ukraine, because it's far away and the general populous has preconceived ideas of how a virus pandemic should be, and where it should be. No-one really believes (I don't think) that there is a pandemic in the UK. In the Ukraine, maybe people can believe that. Does that make any sense?? I'm not sure myself now :)

good point
slightly less developed nation
without advantages of limitless internet
etc
may buy the story easier..

jesuitsdidit
04-11-2009, 01:24 AM
maybe the 1918 pandemic was engineered
but wasnt totally fatal
so
now mapping genome possible
theyve found the bit
that stopped it being truly devastating
and have amended it??

icarus
04-11-2009, 10:19 AM
One way to muddy the waters is to post massive texts effectively hijacking the thread and making people give up on reading it.

There are some very informed people on these boards with important things to say, and there are others who are clealry shills.

They blame certain groups for the NWO who appear to have very little to do with that leviathon of evil.

By omitting other groups that most certainly are top heavy in the NWO, they reveal themselves for what they are.

Shills.

These boards are full of them. The Pentagon has a massive budget to place people on boards just like this important one to disrupt and confuse with massive posts.

I just block these posters and these boards then return to what they should be, an important tool in the fight against the NWO.

jiffy
04-11-2009, 10:46 AM
Hmmm.. intolerance ain't a virtue jiffy, not saying you aspire to be virtuous of course ;) but it doesn't hurt to realise that folk here are all at different stages of their learning; coming from different backgrounds/experiences etc.. I can't blame anyone for getting a bit jumpy considering current events - - I reckon we should cut some slack and try and be a bit more gentle with each other?

Very good post, I agree intolerance isn't a virtue to which I aspire;)

I do struggle with such selective or as Physiologist call it Cognitive thought processes. Which is intolerance I know:(
(Hey I'm trying to curb it;))

I do however get the impression that in an egotistical way, some either consciously or subconsciously wish for all this to come to pass, just so they can prove themselves right.:rolleyes:

Maybe this lecture might help some on their own path to understanding;)!!!!!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7799171063626430789&ei=k0fxSuesIITS-AaUuI2sBw&q=The+Primacy+of+Consciousness&hl=en#

I apologize if I offended anyone;) if only I was as virtuous as my wife, but then again she is female (the better sex)

pureheart
04-11-2009, 10:53 AM
The link with Baxter/Israel is key and confirms what many of us believe about that despicable nation. Joseph Moshe was bundled away to Israel and seems to have been suppressed.

Ukraine is infested with Zionists and Russia forced it out of South Ossetia only last year, which upset the usual suspects.

There is a politcal aspect to all of this, not least Ukraine seeking NATO membership, another Zionist/Neocon threat to Russia, a country that is fully aware of the real threat to the world.

I would not be too surprised to see this outbreak blamed on Russia in the coming days and weeks.

By deception do war, and Zionists rarely attack head on.

The Ustinov Incident
In early April of 1988, Ken Alibek received a telephone call in his office in Moscow. It came from his friend and colleague Lev Sandakhchiev, the director of a Biopreparat facility called Vector, a huge, isolated virology-research campus in the larch forests outside Novosibirsk, a city in western Siberia. Dr. Sandakhchiev reported that there had been an accident.

At this time, the Soviet biological missile warheads was designed to be loaded with strategic /operational smallpox virus, Black Death, and anthrax. The Marburg virus had potential for weaponization, too. Marburg is a close cousin to the Ebola virus, and is extremely lethal.

Dr. Ustinov was forty-four years old, and had been doing basic military research on the Marburg virus, studying its potential as a weapon. He was been wearing a spacesuit in a Level 4 hot lab, injecting guinea pigs with Marburg virus. He pricked himself in the finger with a needle, and it penetrated two layers of rubber gloves.

Nikolai Ustinov exited through an air lock and a chemical decon shower to Level 3, and used an emergency telephone to call his supervisor. The supervisor decided to put Ustinov into a biocontainment hospital, a twenty-bed unit with steel air-lock doors, like the doors of a submarine, where nurses and doctors wearing spacesuits could monitor him. He was not allowed to speak with his wife and children.

Ustinov did not seem to be afraid of dying, but, separated from his family, he became deeply depressed. On about the fourth day, Ustinov developed a headache, and his eyes turned red. Tiny hemorrhages were occurring in them. He requested a laboratory notebook, and he began writing a diary in it, every day. He was a scientist, and he was determined to explain how he was dying. What does it feel like to die of Marburg virus? What are the psychological effects? For a while, he maintained a small hope that he wouldt die, but when his skin developed spontaneous bruises he understood what the future held.

When Ustinov began to vomit blood and pass bloody black diarrhea, the doctor gave him transfusions, but as they put the blood into him it came out of his mouth and rectum. Ustinov was in prostration. They debated replacing all the blood in his body with fresh new blood-a so-called whole-body transfusion. They were afraid that that might trigger a total flooding hemorrhage, which would kill him, so they didn't do it.

Alibek did not know exactly which strain of Marburg had infected his colleague. It had been obtained by Soviet intelligence somewhere, but the scientists were never told where strains came from. The Marburg virus seems to live in an unknown animal host in East Africa. It has been associated with Kitum Cave, near Mt. Elgon, so the Soviet strain could have been obtained around there, but Alibek suspected that it came from Germany. In 1967, the virus had broken out at a vaccine factory in Marburg, a small city in central Germany, and had killed a number of people who were working with monkeys that were being used to produce vaccine. One of the survivors was a man named Popp, and Ahbek thought that Ustinov was probably dying of the strain that had come from him.

The final pages of Dr. Nikolai Ustinov's scientific journal are smeared with unclotted blood. His skin developed starlike hemorrhages in the underlayers. Incredibly the Vector scientists had never seen this, he sweated blood directly from the pores of his skin, and left bloody fingerprints on the pages of his diary.

Ustinov died on April 30, 1988. An autopsy was performed in the spacesuit morgue of the biocontainment hospital. If this was indeed the Popp strain of Marburg virus,and who could say? It was incredibly lethal. It produced effects in the human body that were stunning, terrifying. Alibek says that a pathology team removed Ustinov's liver and his spleen. They sucked a quantity of his destroyed blood,out of a leg vein using large syringes. They froze the blood and the body parts. They kept the Ustinov strain alive and continually replicating in the laboratories at Vector. They named the strain Variant U, after Ustinov, and they teamed how to mass-produce it in simple bioreactors, flasks used for growing viruses. They dried Variant U, and processed it into an inhalable dust.

The particles of Variant U were coated to protect them in the air so that they would drift for many miles. In late 1990, Biopreparat researchers tested airborne Variant U on monkeys and other small animals in special explosion-test chambers at the Stepnagorsk plant. Marburg Variant U proved to be extremely potent in airborne form. They found that just one to five microscopic particles of Variant U lodged in the lungs of a monkey were almost guaranteed to make the animal bleed, and die.

With normal weapons-grade anthrax, in comparison, it takes about eight thousand spores lodged in the lungs to pretty much guarantee infection and death. Alibek said that by the fall of 1991, just before Boris Yeltsin came to power, Marburg Variant U was on the verge of becoming a strategic/operational biological weapon, ready to be manufactured in large quantities and loaded into warheads on mirvs. But it seems quite possible that when the Russian biowarfare facilities fell on hard times and biologists began leaving Russia to work in other countries, some of them carried freeze-dried Variant U with them, ready for further experimentation. Variant U started, perhaps, with a monkey worker named Popp, but its end in the human species is yet to be seen.

http://hem.passagen.se/jan.olofsson/biowarfare/history/dr_ustinov.html


Why the hell would anyone in their right mind keep this stuff? Anyone with half an ounce of common sense would incinerate any trace. These microbiologists make me so angry. :mad:

pureheart
04-11-2009, 10:57 AM
Personally I think that Baxter have released viral pneumonia because the swine flu wasn't as potent as they originally hoped (although speaking from experience it is bloody uncomfortable).

They obviously want to speed up the agenda and get people vaccinated, whether it is with poisonous adjuvants or microchips though I'm not sure.

jesuitsdidit
04-11-2009, 11:16 AM
could be fear
could be the real thing
without accurate information
we wont know..

needless to say there r other possibilities too
# its natural
# its a political act from within or without
# it was an accident

r the most obvious

jesuitsdidit
04-11-2009, 12:05 PM
http://dprogram.net/2009/11/01/panic-in-ukraine-authorities-deny-aircraft-are-spraying-aerosols-over-cities-martial-law-expected/


Panic in Ukraine, Authorities deny aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities, Martial Law expected

Posted by dprogram on November 1, 2009

The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.

Retailers and local business people reported they were advised to “stay indoors” during the day by local authorities.

Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.

Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.

On 30th October President Viktor Yushchenko ordered the Ministry of Defense to establish mobile military hospitals throughout Ukraine, to assist and provide “essential medications” to people with swine-flu. Yushchenko has also ordered medical personnel from the reserve defense forces to report for duty.

An order from President Yushchenko is expected soon that will effectively place Ukraine under “martial law”.
“Due to the complex epidemiological situation in the western regions of Ukraine, where tens of thousands of people have become ill, thousands are in hospital, and dozens have died.”

Nine regions of Ukraine have declared a quarantine around the country and public events have been banned (including the elections).The Clergy have been ordered not to hold any Church or religious services on Sundays or to gather a congregation for any reason whatsoever. Police are also enforcing the compulsory wearing of protective face masks, any driver caught not wearing a mask faces harsh legal penalties.

Earlier, health authorities in western Ukraine reported a “severe outbreak of UNIDENTIFIED Influenza, suspected by doctors to be a form of viral pneumonia”. The disease has already claimed a number of lives in the region. In Lviv, schools have been closed and authorities are conducting emergency meetings to determine how to deal with the outbreak.

Sources:

www.mycityua.com

www.lenta.ru

www.ubalert.com

www.mignews.com.ua

www.unian.net

Source: Info-Wars Ireland

rollotomaz1
04-11-2009, 12:07 PM
maybe the 1918 pandemic was engineered
but wasnt totally fatal
so
now mapping genome possible
theyve found the bit
that stopped it being truly devastating
and have amended it??

Thats what a couple of us think too, we think that it was a trench warfare weapon, which the soldiers took back to the four corners of the globe and infected people who had no resistance to this kind of virus, it was mass murder really, the powers at large seem to be pretty good at the thing,

History says that the first recorded case of the original 1918 flu was in the US and the last cases to come to the fore were in Spain, that-----

-----Spain was neutral during the war and never had soldiers there, their news/media was the most open of all the countries that knew about this epidemic, so the information moved around much faster, thus they called it Spanish Flu,

The arnies knew about this virus before they let the men go home, so they could have done something about it, but that would have cost millions.

spiral_out
04-11-2009, 03:06 PM
This was an email report I had received from RSOE Emergency and Disaster Information Service
Budapest, Hungary on Nov 4,2009

Situation Update No. 21
Posted:2009-10-28, 03:35:18 [UTC]

Ref.no.: EP-20091028-23630-UKR

Situation Update No. 21
On 2009-11-04 at 12:54:23 [UTC]

Event: Epidemic
Location: Ukraine MultiStates Ternopil, Lviv, Zakarpattya, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblasts


Number of Deads: 81 person(s)
Number of Infected: 450000 person(s)
Situation

The death toll from flu or other acute respiratory viral infections in Ukraine has reached 81, Ukrainian chief sanitary and epidemiology official Oleksandr Bilovol said during Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko's conference call with the heads of regional administrations in Kyiv on Wednesday. The number of those officially diagnosed with flu or other acute viral infections in Ukraine reached 450,000 as of November 4, Bilovol said. At least three people died from the A(H1N1) flu subtype, commonly known as swine flu, while 11 others recovered from it, he said.

It's definitely not H1N1..and the number of infected has jumped 200,000 in the last 2 days..death toll keeps going up as well. :(