Question for David directly

[rimmer]

I've read several of David's books, watched many of his videos/shows and I find him to be a very passionate and smart person-not to mention a proficient/profluent writer.

Personally, I agree with a lot of what he says (I am fortunate enough to have been gifted with a (innate) perspective that easily jells with most of David's concepts.)

However, I have this gnawing feeling that his concepts hinge on similar precepts that define other views of life (Christians, Buddhists, Trekkies, etc.)

Specifically, if I were to ask David to "prove" or "demonstrate" what he was saying was true-I seriously doubt that he actually could (with this question, I'm focusing on the "oneness-being" part of his concept not the outwardly influences of the Reptilian/Illuminati factors.) :confused:

Basically, as far as I understand it, the whole idea of Oneness is bulit largely on a hodge-podge of circumstantial evidence and/or worse, personal revelations, validated by psychics and/or psychoactive drugs (ayahuasca in Brazil.)

So, if I'm following David's teachings correctly, using such processings as I mentioned above, would seem to me, to be nothing more than yet, even more tools-ways & means of the Matrix to provide patent-answers/solutions to solving the question of our quest.

Put simply, even David's explanation of life is rooted (deeply) in what appears to be the mechanism of what he calls the Matrix. Furthermore, if David is correct with his concept, I would love for him to "transform" "convert" or "emerge" into the Oneness so, that we might "truly" believe in him. After all, isn't that his whole point for being-to teach us the "way!" Can you do this for us David-can you prove to us that Oneness is real?

Regretably, I don't imagine David can. I wish that he could-I really do because, we could all do with a bit of hope (I know I sure could.) Still, David does provide us with a world of other information that can (and will) serve us well.

The long and short of it, there is a supreme being out there somewhere and he/she/it operates in a supernatural way that we cannot fully understand and/or appreciate so, the best we can do is try and live our lives according to the "little, innate voice" inside of all of us (that serves as our checks and balances, toward life and how we operate in it.)

I don't pose this question to aggravate David but, rather, I raise it to express my concerns about his concept of Oneness (as opposed to other concepts and views of life.) Like David, I believe Love is everything. I love you David (and, the rest of you too.) Peace.

[light worker]

Good post friend. I am already seeing great potential for this forum... some good intelligent posts going on (which "The Forum" lacks nowadays).

I doubt Icke will post directly on this forum so don't get your hopes up about a response. Essentially the certified question I think you're asking here is can we prove this oneness stuff? And if so, lets do it. The problem is, and I am sure you are more than aware of this, the nature of illusion is such that the rules we collectively create are a consensus that cannot be lifted until the illusion itself is lifted. So in terms of walking through walls etc it just won't happen. That is not to say it doesn't go on entirely but it won't go on in a way which can be seen by the world, in other words it won't be exposed.

I would highly recommend you read and listen to the late Michael Talbot when it comes to oneness. The Holographic Universe is perhaps the most powerful book you could ever ask for - next to Infinite Love of course ;)

[sweet cheeks]

It has already been stated that Icke will not be posting here.

But I agree, it would be nice to have "proof". :D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/announcement.php?f=26&a=1

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[third wave]

If David said it, that's good enough for me.

[johnpeters]

Hi all,

I agree that there are some intelligent minds at work in this forum. It seems that humanity may at last be starting to work together and help each other. That's great to see.

As for David posting in here. As much as he would like to, the demands on his time from many different areas make it impossible. When he started his research years ago, nobody wanted to listen. Now, especially since the blatantly obvious insider job that was 911 there has been an explosion of interest in his (and others like him) work. Writing, researching, being interviewed and the like take all his time and he just doesn't stop. Forums as you know eat away at the hours very quickly. He also has very bad arthritus and mostly types with two fingers. Often in pain.

I know that he would appreciate the current interest in his work and the discussion it creates which in itself is helping the awakening process on this planet. Your understanding of his position is much appreciated. I know he reads the forums from time to time and draws inspiration from them, even if he doesn't reply. If he did, the floodgates would open and he would be married to the computer.

He has done and continues to do his bit. It's up to us now to do ours.

Thank you all for your understanding.

[mahabaratara]

Preaching and living oneness are two different things...And yes I suffer the same affliction...Still I a humble enough to keep trying...Not that I am saying anyone else isnt...Just thinking out aloud...

[jimijams]

If David said it, that's good enough for me.
I have a bridge for sale that might interest you Third Wave.:cool:

[oneofmany]

The way I see it, David Icke is a man who cuts through the lies of Politics, Religion and the human correction mechanism (Man among sheeple) to tell it like it is.
The reason the idea of oneness seems old or used is because the aincient civilisations all talk about the same concept, and indeed is being backed up scientifically in the field of quantum physics as we speak.
But if you want personal proof then the only way i know is the use of a hallucinogenic substance like ayahuasca or Amanita muscaria but both could be illegal wherever you live and also the experience can be dangerous without proper supervision i.e. a Shaman.

P.S Hi all, were all on the divine path, the proof is us all writing about it here:)

[phoenix1]

If David said it, that's good enough for me.


King of the Mountain, some things you say are valid.. Granted .
Stop playing fucking games again.
THIS third wave has 3 posts and a space between the words(not premier)

YOU I suspect have created this as a false account for the REAL ..thirdwave, 12
posts and a premier member.

Also thirdwave questions everything...he does not say thing like "If David said it, that's good enough for me."

So cut the crap, and the vendetta with thirdwave (Check usermames) I spotted that too.

I am no fool KOTM, and I know thirdwave well enough to know him.

You are pissing about.

I have issues with the mosd too, BUT don't bring your devious vendetta's with you.

And yeah..I'm REAL with no multiples...dont fuck around.

You where right to question the Mods for answers on Davids expenditure, but you are not right to fuck the REAL thirdwave over.

[freespark]

King of the Mountain, some things you say are valid.. Granted .
Stop playing fucking games again.
THIS third wave has 3 posts and a space between the words(not premier)

YOU I suspect have created this as a false account for the REAL ..thirdwave, 12
posts and a premier member.

Also thirdwave questions everything...he does not say thing like "If David said it, that's good enough for me."

So cut the crap, and the vendetta with thirdwave (Check usermames) I spotted that too.

I am no fool KOTM, and I know thirdwave well enough to know him.

You are pissing about.

I have issues with the mosd too, BUT don't bring your devious vendetta's with you.

And yeah..I'm REAL with no multiples...dont fuck around.

You where right to question the Mods for answers on Davids expenditure, but you are not right to fuck the REAL thirdwave over.

Shame leave him be.

He's playing 'i create my reality'. Even though most would think it's sad beyond belief, he obviously gleans immense satisfaction from his 'creations' and we should respect his choice to do just that.

;)

[thirdwave]

lol

I love the way this forum is eating King of the Mole hill up in side!

:D

Its going to be a cool forum, I can see the old forum being left for the vultures like King of the mole hill.... and there will be nothing there for them to parasite off of anymore....

once this place is kicking it will be bye bye king of the wana be's!

:cool:

[phoenix1]

lol

I love the way this forum is eating King of the Mole hill up in side!

:D

Its going to be a cool forum, I can see the old forum being left for the vultures like King of the mole hill.... and there will be nothing there for them to parasite off of anymore....

once this place is kicking it will be bye bye king of the wana be's!

:cool:

THERE YOU GO EVERYBODY,,,THIS IS THE REAL thirdwave, note..no space between third and wave OK.

Make no mistakes here...the OTHER third wave...with a space, is a fictional id,
used to make him look a fool, by KOTM probarbly...and for King of the Mountain to TROLL with.

THIS THREAD IS PROOF that thirdwave is a one account holder like me.
Any one here on The Forum , will know this to be fact-set in stone.

This is thirdwave, the only one, and the real deal,no question about it, the one I know and respect for questioning everything.

He does not issue statements like "If David said it..it must be right" That is utter rubbish. Utter Bollux.

I'll give it you all straight..as usual, me and thirdwave have a natter occasionally on MSN chat..I personally I don't give a flying fuck who knows it.
(hope you dont mind me giving it straight thirdwave)

So I know him well enough to say so.FACT UNDENIABLE

Thirdwave is a guy who makes up his own mind, he don't need anyone to make it up for him, and I respect him greatly for this, and all the good input he puts in, to any topic. Nice one thirdwave, (I hope you can say the same of me ..for others here to see)

thirdwave picks up the pieces of the jigsaw and takes what needs like me, not what he wants...there is a big difference between needs and wants .I'm sure anyone will agree on that point.

thirdwave also kicks out the trash, he doesn't need anyone to do it for him.

He also don't need people putting in remarks on a thread, appearing to someone who has not read the thread properly, or doesn't know him as I do,
to appear to be the same guy. REMEMBER thirdwave is REAL.

"third wave" with the space is KOTM.

SO That IS THE RECORD STRAIGHT to enlighten you.
KOTM...has constantly crosshaired thirdwave for a long time, but thirdwave gives as good as he gets.

I don't say that KOTM is a fool, but he is a trickster, he has some valid points, we all do.
But to constantly badger someone in way he does is hillariously pathetic.

Some time back about seven or eight years ago , I lost a finger completley , severed and the rest badly damaged, with ligaments beyond repair in an industrial circular saw accident. I aint looking for the sympathy vote , I don't need it , i'm over it.

But to give you a measure of how malicious he can get, he suggested on one thread @ The Forum, that it was a shame I didn't put my head in the blades.

Funny guy eh ??..as much as I dislike some people I wouldn't suggest that to anyone.

(saying stuff like that KOTM can have a bounce effect, on you, but that may be too far a step for you to even comprehend at this point in your adolescence, when you grow up, maybe you will understand)

I hope the forum gets a good first outing. And I hope it lives up to the freedom , I would need from it

In ALL Honesty

Peace

Phoenix1

[phoenix1]

Shame leave him be.

He's playing 'i create my reality'. Even though most would think it's sad beyond belief, he obviously gleans immense satisfaction from his 'creations' and we should respect his choice to do just that.

;)

I've had my run with him for now..I do respect his choice to be ,well west of weired, me ?? I'll just settle for weired. LOL

Stange days , strange people...all with the total right to chose for themselves whatever it is they choose to do.
Agreed...I do respect him for bieng him, KOTM is funny and clever and malicious, I guess we all have these angles..though in somewhat different measures freespark.

Phoenix1

[thirdwave]

THERE YOU GO EVERYBODY,,,THIS IS THE REAL thirdwave, note..no space between third and wave OK.

Make no mistakes here...the OTHER third wave...with a space, is a fictional id,
used to make him look a fool, by KOTM probarbly...and for King of the Mountain to TROLL with.

THIS THREAD IS PROOF that thirdwave is a one account holder like me.
Any one here on The Forum , will know this to be fact-set in stone.

This is thirdwave, the only one, and the real deal,no question about it, the one I know and respect for questioning everything.

He does not issue statements like "If David said it..it must be right" That is utter rubbish. Utter Bollux.

I'll give it you all straight..as usual, me and thirdwave have a natter occasionally on MSN chat..I personally I don't give a flying fuck who knows it.
(hope you dont mind me giving it straight thirdwave)

So I know him well enough to say so.FACT UNDENIABLE

Thirdwave is a guy who makes up his own mind, he don't need anyone to make it up for him, and I respect him greatly for this, and all the good input he puts in, to any topic. Nice one thirdwave, (I hope you can say the same of me ..for others here to see)

thirdwave picks up the pieces of the jigsaw and takes what needs like me, not what he wants...there is a big difference between needs and wants .I'm sure anyone will agree on that point.

thirdwave also kicks out the trash, he doesn't need anyone to do it for him.

He also don't need people putting in remarks on a thread, appearing to someone who has not read the thread properly, or doesn't know him as I do,
to appear to be the same guy. REMEMBER thirdwave is REAL.

"third wave" with the space is KOTM.

SO That IS THE RECORD STRAIGHT to enlighten you.
KOTM...has constantly crosshaired thirdwave for a long time, but thirdwave gives as good as he gets.

I don't say that KOTM is a fool, but he is a trickster, he has some valid points, we all do.
But to constantly badger someone in way he does is hillariously pathetic.

Some time back about seven or eight years ago , I lost a finger completley , severed and the rest badly damaged, with ligaments beyond repair in an industrial circular saw accident. I aint looking for the sympathy vote , I don't need it , i'm over it.

But to give you a measure of how malicious he can get, he suggested on one thread @ The Forum, that it was a shame I didn't put my head in the blades.

Funny guy eh ??..as much as I dislike some people I wouldn't suggest that to anyone.

(saying stuff like that KOTM can have a bounce effect, on you, but that may be too far a step for you to even comprehend at this point in your adolescence, when you grow up, maybe you will understand)

I hope the forum gets a good first outing. And I hope it lives up to the freedom , I would need from it

In ALL Honesty

Peace

Phoenix1

cheers for watching me back dude ;)

[phoenix1]

Not a problem thirwave. not at all. I am not sure how often i'll be over here though.
I like to express myself,freely with words, whatever they may be. Swearwords, and stuff ,I don't NEED to use , but I finf the word "Fuck" is a word with multiple meanings, and can be used to express lota of emotions.

Exactly this time last year I was in Cairo, Egypt (as you know)

One for the Mods:

The word WOW or AWSOME was not enough to express the feeling you get inside , when you first lay eyes on the Gizeh Plateau.

The word "FUCK???" which is a more versatile word, and can be used in differrent expressions of context, was also woefully innadequate.
In fact there really is not a human word to express that.

And on entering the Inititiation Chamber, erroneously called Kings Chamber...there is only the "Tone" and the vortex energies.

Words are only words.

I can be very fluid , and hold a reasonable command of the English language.
Suffice it to say...that some..swearwords, add an emphasis keyboard work.

Where vocal cords cannot be employed on a forum.

I'm sorry if offence has been taken by anyone. Rules and stuff aint my style really. If im FORCED to, I resist.

Peace All

Phoenix1

[dmessick]

Great post my man but please refer to the book and/or the movie What The Bleep Do We Know. It may give you some insight as to what you need.

Peace

[tinmenace]

"...So, if I'm following David's teachings correctly..."

That's where you're going wrong. He's not 'teaching' anybody anything. He's simply supplying information that we have a right to know is out there. How we process it is up to us individually.

The challenge is to prove it to YOURSELF. Or, debunk it. But, YOU have to do the work. There is no shortcut here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4237751840526284618&q=quantum

Talking about proof to explain things.....what do you think this video proves?

[thirdwave]

I've read several of David's books, watched many of his videos/shows and I find him to be a very passionate and smart person-not to mention a proficient/profluent writer.

Personally, I agree with a lot of what he says (I am fortunate enough to have been gifted with a (innate) perspective that easily jells with most of David's concepts.)

However, I have this gnawing feeling that his concepts hinge on similar precepts that define other views of life (Christians, Buddhists, Trekkies, etc.)

Specifically, if I were to ask David to "prove" or "demonstrate" what he was saying was true-I seriously doubt that he actually could (with this question, I'm focusing on the "oneness-being" part of his concept not the outwardly influences of the Reptilian/Illuminati factors.) :confused:

Basically, as far as I understand it, the whole idea of Oneness is bulit largely on a hodge-podge of circumstantial evidence and/or worse, personal revelations, validated by psychics and/or psychoactive drugs (ayahuasca in Brazil.)

So, if I'm following David's teachings correctly, using such processings as I mentioned above, would seem to me, to be nothing more than yet, even more tools-ways & means of the Matrix to provide patent-answers/solutions to solving the question of our quest.

Put simply, even David's explanation of life is rooted (deeply) in what appears to be the mechanism of what he calls the Matrix. Furthermore, if David is correct with his concept, I would love for him to "transform" "convert" or "emerge" into the Oneness so, that we might "truly" believe in him. After all, isn't that his whole point for being-to teach us the "way!" Can you do this for us David-can you prove to us that Oneness is real?

Regretably, I don't imagine David can. I wish that he could-I really do because, we could all do with a bit of hope (I know I sure could.) Still, David does provide us with a world of other information that can (and will) serve us well.

The long and short of it, there is a supreme being out there somewhere and he/she/it operates in a supernatural way that we cannot fully understand and/or appreciate so, the best we can do is try and live our lives according to the "little, innate voice" inside of all of us (that serves as our checks and balances, toward life and how we operate in it.)

I don't pose this question to aggravate David but, rather, I raise it to express my concerns about his concept of Oneness (as opposed to other concepts and views of life.) Like David, I believe Love is everything. I love you David (and, the rest of you too.) Peace.


Most religions of today (mostly the ones that have been repressed over years) are aware of this time... and its also very clear to see with our own eyes...when we have the time to pull our heads out of the mold we have been hammered into.... we can see the world changing... peoples values are changing... peoples outlooks are changing... but people are either changing for the worse or the good... they are either more stubborn and aggressive in their unclear views, or they are more clarified and open about what they feel about life. despite how the news would have you see it people are changing and evolving more .... take away the war, and other violence that if you trace back to the roots you can see what has created the violence.... take away all that and you would see a very chilled out human race that is growing by the day...

this is a shift.... a shift in the way we all think and care... how we see reality and how we see "matter" ...we are no longer seeing from 4 angles.... but we are starting to see from 8..

David Icke is just an outcome of this shift... somone who has been in the spotlight and has felt the shift and has dedicated his life to it... but its different for everyone... everyone is on their own journey and will not see everything the same... my advice is to take on board all info...spit out anything that makes you feel you need something outside of your self to feel safe.... take anything in and leave out what does not inspire you.... people like David are just hear to light sparks... its up to us to burn the fire....

good luck.

[mahaskey]

Just how much does the Illuminati control the NHS in the UK?

[neondestiny]

I like what someone said earlier that David Icke is not a teacher, he puts information out there, it is up to the individual to see if it sits right with them or not.
He does seem to teach the concept of "freedom of thought" though, which is not a bad thing in my opinion.
It is my belief that knowledge in itself is neither malign or benign, it is just what people "do" by acting or reacting to that knowledge that makes it a good or bad thing ;)
Just my humble opinion again.
As far as the universal conciousness goes, we are all connected genetically (DNA) so I do not have a problem believing we may also all be "connected" astrally or spiritually.
"We are all born into this world, naked, kicking and screaming and we shall all leave this world the same way!" ;)