Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge

[kasalt]

A vast number of statements and materials presented in the ancient Vedic literatures can be shown to agree with modern scientific findings. 10 minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxW4xEc4R00

[kha zarr]

dont forget vedic calculus:

http://www.gummy-stuff.org/v-9.htm

also found via about dot com i think [the 16 sutras].

pretty amazing!

and i never knew about that iron pillar - how heavy is it?

[kasalt]

The iron pillar of Delhi, the capital city of India, is one of the world's foremost metallurgical curiosities, standing in the famous Qutb complex. The pillar—almost seven meters high and weighing more than six tons—was erected by Chandragupta II Vikramaditya. It is the only piece of the Hindu temple remaining, which stood there before being destroyed by Qutb-ud-din Aybak to build the Qutub Minar and Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque. Qutub built around it when he constructed the mosque.

The pillar is made up of 98% wrought iron of pure quality, and is a testament to the high level of skill achieved by ancient Indian iron smiths in the extraction and processing of iron. It has attracted the attention of archaeologists and metallurgists as it has withstood corrosion for the last 1600 years, despite harsh weather.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pillar

[limelady]

A vast number of statements and materials presented in the ancient Vedic literatures can be shown to agree with modern scientific findings. 10 minute video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxW4xEc4R00

That was a very interesting little video.

I'm also VERY interested in what has been translated
from the ancient documents which describe the virmanas.

Thanks kasalt!
:)

[kasalt]

I'm also VERY interested in what has been translated from the ancient documents which describe the virmanas.


Hi Limelady,

Are you referring to the flying machines called vimanas (the word has no "r") in vedic literature? Correct me if I'm misunderstanding.

They don't go into a great deal of detail, but here are a few quotes from the Srimad-Bhagavatam (Swami Prabhupada's translation) on the subject:

Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.15.26:
"Thus the great sages...upon reaching the above-mentioned Vaikuntha in the spiritual world by dint of their mystic yoga performance, perceived unprecedented happiness. They found that the spiritual sky was illuminated by highly decorated airplanes piloted by the best devotees of Vaikuntha and was predominated by the Supreme Personality of Godhead."

Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.6.27 (purport):
"The airplanes described in this verse are different from the airplanes of which we have experience. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam and all the Vedic literatures, there are many descriptions of vimana, which means “airplanes.” On different planets there are different kinds of airplanes. On this gross planet earth, there are airplanes run by machine, but on other planets the airplanes are run not by machine but by mantric hymns. They are also used especially for enjoyment by the denizens of the heavenly planets so that they can go from one planet to another."

Srimad-Bhagavatam 8.10.16-18:
"For that battle the most celebrated commander in chief, Maharaja Bali, son of Virocana, was seated on a wonderful airplane named Vaihayasa...and was equipped with weapons for all types of combat. It was inconceivable and indescribable. Indeed, it was sometimes visible and sometimes not... appeared just like the moon rising in the evening, illuminating all directions."

Here are some websites with more information:

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm#Introduction:
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/ufos_and_vimanas.htm

Books by David Hatcher Childress on this subject: [I]Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology and Vimana: Aircraft of Ancient India and Atlantis

According to the Indian historian Ramachandra Dikshitar, other texts which mention aerial vehicles and travels are the Satapathya Brahmanas; the Rig Veda Samhita; the Harivamsa; the Makandeya Purana; the Visnu Purana; the Vikramaurvasiya; the Uttararamacarita; the Harsacarita; the Tamil text Jivakocintamani; and the Samaranganasutradhara.

[kasalt]

I found more on the vimanas here:

http://www.light1998.com/Vimanas/Vimanas.htm


For example, there is a passage in the Ramayana which reads:
"The Puspaka car that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car going everywhere at will.... that car resembling a bright cloud in the sky"... and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent car at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere."

In the Mahabharatra, an ancient Indian poem of enormous length, we learn that an individual named Asura Maya had a Vimana measuring twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. The poem is a veritable gold mine of information relating to conflicts between gods who settled their differences apparently using weapons as lethal as the ones we are capable of deploying.

Apart from 'blazing missiles', the poem records the use of other deadly weapons. 'Indra's Dart' operated via a circular 'reflector'. When switched on, it produced a 'shaft of light' which, when focused on any target, immediately 'consumed it with its power'. In one particular exchange, the hero, Krishna, is pursuing his enemy, Salva, in the sky, when Salva's Vimana, the Saubha is made invisible in some way. Undeterred, Krishna immediately fires off a special weapon: 'I quickly laid on an arrow, which killed by seeking out sound'.

In the Sanskrit Samarangana Sutradhara, it is written:

Strong and durable must the body of the Vihmana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth. The Hakatha (Laws of the Babylonians) states quite unambiguously: The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances. A gift from 'those from upon high'. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.

More fantastic still is the information given in the ancient Chaldean work, The Sifrala, which contains over one hundred pages of technical details on building a flying machine. It contains words which translate as graphite rod, copper coils, crystal indicator, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc. 'Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology' From The Anti-Gravity Handbook by D. Hatcher Childress

[synergy777]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7428&highlight=krishna

[limelady]

Thanks for the posts on the vimanas kasalt!!!

Oops about my prior spelling too :o

I found this very interesting ...

Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.6.27 (purport):
"The airplanes described in this verse are different from the airplanes of which we have experience. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam and all the Vedic literatures, there are many descriptions of vimana, which means “airplanes.” On different planets there are different kinds of airplanes. On this gross planet earth, there are airplanes run by machine, but on other planets the airplanes are run not by machine but by mantric hymns. They are also used especially for enjoyment by the denizens of the heavenly planets so that they can go from one planet to another."

I wonder what is meant by "mantric hymns"? Something that creates a frequency? Interesting also how our planet is referred to as "gross", which I'm assuming means heavy, dense, as opposed to disgusing, horrible....so do you think this a reference to other planets being higher vibrational than Earth?

Fascinating stuff!

I will check out you links also kasalt.

LL :)

[kha zarr]

A big site on vimanas and atlantean vailixis:

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm#Ancient%20Writings%20tell%20of%20UFO%2 0visit%20in%204,000%20B.C

Found this interesting. I don't find it hard to believe though that at some point, we humans had our own technology in the ancient past, without constant ET help, but thats just my personal opinion.

[kasalt]

A lot more information is available here for those who are interested:

http://www.gosai.com/science/index.html

[mountain]

A big site on vimanas and atlantean vailixis:

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm#Ancient%20Writings%20tell%20of%20UFO%2 0visit%20in%204,000%20B.C

Found this interesting. I don't find it hard to believe though that at some point, we humans had our own technology in the ancient past, without constant ET help, but thats just my personal opinion.

I read somewhere that the Staw Wars movies were actually portrayals of our distant past, not the future. Seems to be so.

[spacegurl]

Excellent, one of the best threads on here.

[edit]

Are you referring to the flying machines called vimanasvi-manas
if...

vi (Sk.) means remnant, the tail of..
mana - mind

so... could that be - by 'referring to the flying machines ' called ---> kama-manas .....or the desire-mind ? Kama-Manas.?... incomplete, due to repeated (http://www.anandgholap.net/Study_In_Consciousness-AB.htm) ...http://www.anandgholap.net/images/image021.jpg


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[mynameis]

Niven's tablets also may be either hoax or real

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/ssm06.htm

[kasalt]

dont forget vedic calculus:

http://www.gummy-stuff.org/v-9.htm

also found via about dot com i think [the 16 sutras].

pretty amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuiQkn_d1Ro

Download Celestial Geometry and see how the planets form a Pentagram and Hexagram (Flash presentation):

http://www.jainmathemagics.com/

[kasalt]

The iron pillar of Delhi, the capital city of India, is one of the world's foremost metallurgical curiosities, standing in the famous Qutb complex. The pillar—almost seven meters high and weighing more than six tons—was erected by Chandragupta II Vikramaditya. It is the only piece of the Hindu temple remaining, which stood there before being destroyed by Qutb-ud-din Aybak to build the Qutub Minar and Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque. Qutub built around it when he constructed the mosque.

The pillar is made up of 98% wrought iron of pure quality, and is a testament to the high level of skill achieved by ancient Indian iron smiths in the extraction and processing of iron. It has attracted the attention of archaeologists and metallurgists as it has withstood corrosion for the last 1600 years, despite harsh weather.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pillar


I found this update on the composition/processing of the iron that was used to make the Iron Pillar of Delhi:

Indians develop new iron using ancient technology

Indian metallurgists have developed a type of corrosion-resistant iron that construction engineers would love. And vital clues for it came for Delhi's famous Iron Pillar that has been standing tall for over 1,600 years.

Most steels today contain small amounts of carbon and manganese. Modern steel makers avoid phosphorus because its segregation to grain boundaries makes the steel brittle.

But the IIT team successfully produced ductile phosphoric irons by driving the phosphorus away from grain boundaries through clever alloy design and novel heat treatment.

Ironically, Bala's material is not new. It was being made by Indian ironsmiths centuries ago. Bala says he got the clue for developing this material from the six-tonne seven-metre tall Delhi Iron Pillar - a major tourist attraction in the Qutb Minar complex -- that has been standing for centuries in the harsh weather of the capital without any corrosion.

'As a metallurgist, I was intrigued,' Bala told IANS. And his passionate quest to unravel the mystery that began in 1990s has now culminated in phosphoric irons.

The test samples developed by the IIT team remained fresh after three months of being immersed in solution, simulating the corrosive concrete environment, whereas the best commercially available steels got rusted. In another experiment, they embedded the samples in concrete to simulate actual conditions and obtained similar results.

'The work is especially important in regard to the widespread use of steels in civil structures,' said Gerhard E. Welsch, professor of Materials Science and Engineering at Case Western Reserve University (Cleveland, Ohio).

'The recent bridge collapse in Minneapolis has added new urgency,' Welsch said in a congratulatory message to Bala. Seven people died when the bridge across the Mississippi river collapsed Aug 2, 2007.

Current philosophies to tackle corrosion in concrete include the addition of inhibitors to the cement mix, use of rebars that are galvanised, epoxy coated, or micro-alloyed by the addition of small amounts of chromium, copper and nickel -- elements that are known to induce passivity in iron.

Their high cost is a disadvantage, says Bala. 'Besides, we have experimentally shown our phosphoric irons perform better.'

Bala's real break came when he found that the iron used in the Delhi pillar contained elevated amounts of phosphorus -- as much as 0.25 percent against less than 0.05 percent in today's iron. He found this was a result of the ancient process where iron ore is reduced in a single step by mixing it with charcoal, without any limestone addition.

Modern blast furnaces, on the other hand, use limestone yielding molten slag and pig iron (high in carbon) that is later converted into steel. Most phosphorus is carried away by the basic slag.

Further studies and analysing rust from the pillar showed that phosphorus catalysed the formation of a protective passive film on the surface of the pillar that acted as a barrier between the metal and rust.

Tanjore Anantharaman, author of the book 'Delhi Iron Pillar - the Rustless Wonder' and Bala's former teacher at the Benaras Hindu University, says phosphorus was long suspected to be behind the pillar's corrosion resistance. 'It was Bala who proved it.'

Bala thanks his forefathers for the success. 'I am of the firm belief that ancient Indian metallurgists had the empirical knowledge that high phosphorus content ores resulted in corrosion-resistant iron. They did not create this material by accident.'

http://www.indiaenews.com/technology/20071013/75049.htm

[kasalt]

I'm also VERY interested in what has been translated
from the ancient documents which describe the virmanas.

Not sure if you're still interested in this topic Limelady, but if so, I just found these on Scribd.com:

Ancient Flying Machines (length: 18 pages)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14125984/Ancient-Flying-Machines

Ancient Vimana Aircraft
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3931291/Ancient-Vimana-Aircraft

[limelady]

Not sure if you're still interested in this topic Limelady, but if so, I just found these on Scribd.com:

Ancient Flying Machines (length: 18 pages)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14125984/Ancient-Flying-Machines

Ancient Vimana Aircraft
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3931291/Ancient-Vimana-Aircraft

Wow, thanks heaps kasalt....indeed I'm still interested! :)

*scurries off for a look*

[pri01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuiQkn_d1Ro

Download Celestial Geometry and see how the planets form a Pentagram and Hexagram (Flash presentation):

http://www.jainmathemagics.com/

So this is how Carole Voderman calculates so quickly. This thread is fab.

[kasalt]

Thanks for posting Pri.

If it's vedic math you're interested in, you may enjoy this thread by Pinkfreud:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47873

[nihil]

Vedic Maths are great . You can do difficult operations using your fingers as an abacus .

[rodin]

The Vaimānika Shāstra वैमानिक शास्त्र ("Science of Aeronautics"[1]; also Vimanika, Vymanika) is an early 20th century Sanskrit text on aeronautics obtained by so-called "mental channeling", about construction of vimānas, the "chariots of the Gods", mythical self-moving aerial cars mentioned in the Sanskrit epics.
The existence of the text was revealed in 1952 by G. R. Josyer, according to whom it is due to one Pandit Subbaraya Shastry, who dictated it in 1918-1923. A Hindi translation was published in 1959, the Sanskrit text with an English translation in 1973. It has 3000 shlokas in 8 chapters and was attributed by Shastry to Maharishi Bharadvaja,[2] which makes it of purportedly "ancient" origin, and hence it has a certain notability in ancient astronaut theories.
A study by aeronautical and mechanical engineering at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore in 1974 concluded that the aircrafts described in the text were "poor concoctions" and that the author showed complete lack of understanding of aeronautics.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaimanika_Shastra

Have to agree. Mechanicals sound more HG Wells than Alexander the Great

Interesting about the maths though. I have found Indians to be intelligent and good lateral thinkers

[biblegirl]

interesting thread, this is something i'd like to learn more about :)

[separ]

Prabhupada is the guy who founded ISKCON (the 'Hare Krishnas'). His focus was the late classical texts: Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, etc. Typically he would fail to just translate the text and instead wrote several pages of 'purport' for each verse underneath, in which he would detail the doctrine of his cult. Most of the time, the stuff he wrote under 'purport' had no correlation with the verse in question but was just his own invention. He made up a lot.

[nihil]

Pandavas and Kurus battled with atomic/nuclear weapons in Kurukshetra .

See: Bagavata Maha Purana Book 1 , 7:18


- Now roars the thunder of great Akkad's cars,
- Their brazen chariots as blazing stars,
- Through Nuk-khu's [darkness] depth with
- streams of blazing fire
- Thus fall upon the foe with vengeful ire.
- The smoking earth shakes underneath their wheels,
- And from each cloud their thunder loudly peals.

THE EPIC OF ISHTAR


The mercury vortex engine interested NASA . Search for :

TR-3B Aircraft .