The Protocols of Zion & the Illuminati Roadmap: 3

[duke02]

http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/protocols-of-zion-and-illuminati_26.html (http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/protocols-of-zion-and-illuminati_26.html)

"It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give, the strength of our predominance," (Protocols)


Protocol #2 starts out with the above statement about economic warfare. How much evidence do we need that we have been victimized in this manner? Consider the following: (More (http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/protocols-of-zion-and-illuminati_26.html))

[edelweiss pirate]

http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/protocols-of-zion-and-illuminati_26.html (http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/protocols-of-zion-and-illuminati_26.html)

"It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give, the strength of our predominance," (Protocols)


Protocol #2 starts out with the above statement about economic warfare. How much evidence do we need that we have been victimized in this manner? Consider the following: (More (http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/protocols-of-zion-and-illuminati_26.html))

They always claim they are fake but where is the evidence?

They agree entirely with the Talmud and what seems to be happening to our world.

Authentic in my view. Just listen to a worm like David Rothschild if you harbour any doubts about how duplicitous and slimy these zionists are...... I hope your people are reading this you maggot.

[1977]

Why are conspiracy theorists so into the gold standard when the Protocols (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century02.htm#CHAPTER%205) clearly say this?

YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE GOLD STANDARD HAS BEEN THE RUIN OF THE STATES WHICH ADOPTED IT. FOR IT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO SATISFY THE DEMANDS FOR MONEY, THE MORE SO THAT WE HAVE REMOVED GOLD FROM CIRCULATION AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.

[snapdragon]

They claim they are fake, but fake means a copy of an original.
If they are let's say a hoax, how come they have so far been 100% prophetic?

[thedefender]

They claim they are fake, but fake means a copy of an original.
If they are let's say a hoax, how come they have so far been 100% prophetic?

Right! Fake or not TPTB are using the 'Protocols' as a basis for furthering their agenda. When I first read them I said to myself "wow...authentic or not the truth of the matter is that this plan is being used in many ways"

[rodin]

Why are conspiracy theorists so into the gold standard when the Protocols (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century02.htm#CHAPTER%205) clearly say this?

YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE GOLD STANDARD HAS BEEN THE RUIN OF THE STATES WHICH ADOPTED IT. FOR IT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO SATISFY THE DEMANDS FOR MONEY, THE MORE SO THAT WE HAVE REMOVED GOLD FROM CIRCULATION AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.


No me. Not Hadabusa. Can't use a standard U can make by cold fusion

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but it will see you alright in next couple years

Owning a bit is not the same as using it as money standard

[herzmeister]

The protocols _could_ be some kind of cynical satire written by some of the intellectual circles back then. I don't think you need to be some kind of prophet to see where we're heading to. Especially if you are aware that this kind of game has been played for hundreds of years and maybe more.

If we in here predicted the world in 100 years, I think we will be pretty close as well. If there is no divine intervention or mass awakening of course. :p

[mrerisian]

It's been a while since I read them but don't they say that the Aristocracy is our only hope?

Obviously they're not real. But if your looking for someone to blame I guess they're pretty good.

[darketernal]

It's been a while since I read them but don't they say that the Aristocracy is our only hope?

Obviously they're not real. But if your looking for someone to blame I guess they're pretty good.

Let me clarify, and I am not saying this is the truth, but as we are on the David Icke forum, I'll break down what he has to say on the matter.

David Icke has renamed them the protocols of the Illuminati or something to that effect, becuase he doesn't believe it is actually Jews who wrote them, but rather members of the Illuminati or similar such organizations for distribution among their ranks.

So from his perspective it is not about finding someone to blame so much as showing a bit of a blueprint for things to come so that people have some idea of aspects of the agenda unfolding around them.

[1977]

C.S. Lewis wrote a very similar work, the Screwtape Letters. And while he made some very prescient observations to what was going on at the time—as an Oxford scholar, he was most likely an insider with some knowledge—it does not necessarily mean that the book was actually written by demons.

[darketernal]

C.S. Lewis wrote a very similar work, the Screwtape Letters. And while he made some very prescient observations to what was going on at the time—as an Oxford scholar, he was most likely an insider with some knowledge—it does not necessarily mean that the book was actually written by demons.

A fair point.

I rather enjoy when I stumble across such interesting information while reading liturature from previous eras.

[mrerisian]

C.S. Lewis wrote a very similar work, the Screwtape Letters.

Protocols fits into a literary tradition. It was cribbed from an older book called 'The Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu'. You can buy a copy here: http://www.amazon.com/Dialogue-Hell-between-Machiavelli-Montesquieu/dp/0739106996

I'd advise anyone who is interested to read The Prince by Machiavelli first. That's a REAL how to manual which is clearly used as a reference point by people in power.

Just ask yourself why The Protocols keep banging on about how the aristocracy was the people's only hope. Is it because that's true or does it betray the thoughts of the writer?

It's pointless going down this road though as people who believe in them as real actual facts can't be reasoned with.

[edelweiss pirate]

Just ask yourself why The Protocols keep banging on about how the aristocracy was the people's only hope. Is it because that's true or does it betray the thoughts of the writer?


The reason the aristocracy were the people's only hope against tyranny was because the aristocracy tended to be spiritually adept and trained in the highest mysteries and knew how to control reality to some extent. Thus they were actually REALLY psychically powerful. Louis 14th calling himself the Sun King was probably no idle boast, chances are he was directly conected to the life giving principle of the universe: Light. Just like the wannabee Luciferian hobbyists who drool over 'the light' but who in fact have NONE.

Of course Erisian your mason friends have had a busy century or two killing off or corrupting their aristocratic rivals all over the world. So you wankers are the only players left. At least that's what you think......

[mrerisian]

Well quite.

If only we'd turned to the aristocracy for help. :rolleyes:

The Sun King was, I suppose, in your analysis not part of it? He was one of the 'good guys' was he?

[edelweiss pirate]

Well quite.

If only we'd turned to the aristocracy for help. :rolleyes:

The Sun King was, I suppose, in your analysis not part of it? He was one of the 'good guys' was he?

Oh shut up and go away you time wasting idiot.

[marpat]

Well quite.

If only we'd turned to the aristocracy for help. :rolleyes:

The Sun King was, I suppose, in your analysis not part of it? He was one of the 'good guys' was he?

I am suprised that EP seems to think he is a good guy considering a title like sun king would actually have pagan connotations.

[marpat]

The reason the aristocracy were the people's only hope against tyranny was because the aristocracy tended to be spiritually adept and trained in the highest mysteries and knew how to control reality to some extent. Thus they were actually REALLY psychically powerful. Louis 14th calling himself the Sun King was probably no idle boast, chances are he was directly conected to the life giving principle of the universe: Light. Just like the wannabee Luciferian hobbyists who drool over 'the light' but who in fact have NONE.

Of course Erisian your mason friends have had a busy century or two killing off or corrupting their aristocratic rivals all over the world. So you wankers are the only players left. At least that's what you think......

Or maybe he was a false light, an egotist who played at being a god like the Roman emperor used to do.

[edelweiss pirate]

Well quite.

If only we'd turned to the aristocracy for help. :rolleyes:

The Sun King was, I suppose, in your analysis not part of it? He was one of the 'good guys' was he?

God I'm actually having to respond to this stupid creature!

Ok here it is:

The Aristocracy are just another group of players with advanced knowledge.

Ok so far?

Now, you also had the church, the so called, first estate, the aristocracy the second estate.

Now during the masonic French revolution there was the creation of the third estate. Namely the bourgeoise and the commercial class, who wanted to challenge the power of the church and aristocracy.

I believe their cry was : "Strangle the last king on the intestines of the last priest' or words to that effect.

Now you may not care much for Kings and Priests..... well, conceivably, and on body-count alone, the alternative, the Masonic third estate, has been shown by history to be much worse.


I mean, since the French Revolution and the rise of the third estate do we miraculously live in a peaceful world?

If you're still having trouble making sense then here's a poem I wrote about the situation.

Sorry I don't have any felt pens for you to colour it in MrErisian.


It’s the grinding of the wheels of history
The milling of hearts for their blood
The story of demons and kings and their mystery
Where neither side is any much good

The underground stream
Where money runs deep
Drown for your dreams
But the dead don’t sleep

It’s madness only madness
All you need to know
Nut jobs, crack pots, crazies and head cases
All running the show

We are the pawns
All the squares are black
Stop playing games
It’s your world take it back

Do you feel at home?
Or have we got the burglars in?
Do you feel alone?
Cos you’re the only one noticing?

It’s madness only madness
All you need to know
Nut jobs crack pots crazies and head cases
All running the show

Don’t worry, s’just a phase
Of planetary hypnosis
And we live life in a daze
Of mutually induced psychosis.

It doesn’t hurt to make a stand
It doesn’t hurt to pray
And if we take the world in hand
We might all get better some day

[mrerisian]

Oh shut up and go away you time wasting idiot.

God I'm actually having to respond to this stupid creature!


You're not a member of the aristocracy are you matey? You've certainly got their superior tone.

[yhwhschild]

Hi Guys,

Here is some info on the socalled Protocols of Zion.

http://ddickerson.igc.org/protocols.html

[mrerisian]

Hi Guys,

Here is some info on the socalled Protocols of Zion.

http://ddickerson.igc.org/protocols.html

It won't make any difference.

People believe in it like you might The Bible or The Koran. It's an article of faith.

The only people who can save them are the aristocracy. :rolleyes:

[edelweiss pirate]

A fair point.

I rather enjoy when I stumble across such interesting information while reading liturature from previous eras.

On the subject of CS lewis anyone read his sci-fi trilogy?

OUT OF SILENT PLANET
PERELANDRA
THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH

Awesome books! Worth a read, even more visionary than Orwell's 1984.

[pessi_optimist]

If you're still having trouble making sense then here's a poem I wrote about the situation.



I like that poem alot

[edelweiss pirate]

I like that poem alot

Thanks.:)

[runciter]

Hi Guys,

Here is some info on the socalled Protocols of Zion.

http://ddickerson.igc.org/protocols.html

a different perspective

I have already argued that the two documents are neither similar nor derivative, although they have some lines and words in common. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is essentially a brilliant Master Plan for tyranny, i.e. the New World Order. It is the key to understanding our present predicament. (This is not a condemnation of all Jews, only the nucleus of bankers and high-level Masons directing this diabolical war against the human race.)

"Dialogue in Hell" was a veiled Masonic Jewish attack on Napoleon III, an example of how they championed liberalism to undermine the Old Order and usurp power, as described in the Protocols themselves. (The author of Protocols is contemptuous of liberalism and all egalitarian programs. They are just gimmicks to manipulate the masses.)

Reading Kerry Bolton's monograph "The Protocols of Zion In Context" (Renaissance Press, 2003) it became obvious that Joly was plagiarizing from The Protocols and not vice-versa.

Joly, a Jew whose real name was Joseph Levy, was a lifelong Mason and member of the "Lodge of Mizraim" where the Protocols document originated. He was the protege of Adolph Cremieux (Isaac Moise Cremieux 1796-1880) the head of the lodge and a Minister in the Jewish-backed government of Leon Gambetta.

The plot is described in the Protocols as "centuries-old." It most likely predates "Dialogue." Joly was well versed in the Protocols and borrowed from it to flesh out the unpopular authoritarian position of Machiavelli, which he ascribed to Napoleon III.

Joly, who committed suicide in 1879, was in the habit of "borrowing." He is accused of plagiarizing a popular novel by Eugene Sue, namely "Les Mystères du Paris." (1845) Also his work is predated by another of Cremieux's proteges, Jacob Venedy, entitled, "Machiavelli, Montesquieu, Rousseau." (1850)

In 1884 Mme. Justine Glinka, the daughter of a Russian General living in Paris, hired Joseph Schorst, a member of Joly's Mizraim Lodge to obtain sensitive information. For the sum of 2500 francs, Schorst provided Glinka with "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." He was subsequently tracked down and murdered in Egypt.

The Tsarist government, already heavily infiltrated, sat on the document. Glinka subsequently gave it to a friend who passed it on to Professor Sergius A. Nilus who published it for the first time in 1901.

After the Bolshevik Revolution, Nilus was arrested in Kiev in 1924 ,imprisoned and tortured. The President of the Court told him he had "done them incalculable harm in publishing the Protocols." ("Waters Flowing Eastward" by Paquita de Shishmareff, 1999, pp.74-76.)

http://www.henrymakow.com/maurice_joly_plagiarized_proto.html

[runciter]

It won't make any difference.

People believe in it like you might The Bible or The Koran. It's an article of faith.

The only people who can save them are the aristocracy. :rolleyes:

evolution of zionist pathology: old testament > talmud > zohar > protocols >

> full exposure > end of jewish supremacism > abortion of the gentile enslavement/decimation plan

[marpat]

You're not a member of the aristocracy are you matey? You've certainly got their superior tone.

Its the weed that has that effect on him

[mrerisian]

Reading Kerry Bolton's monograph "The Protocols of Zion In Context" (Renaissance Press, 2003) it became obvious that Joly was plagiarizing from The Protocols and not vice-versa.

Haha. Brilliant. Usually people just ignore the massive similarities but you're saying this guy reckons Dialogues was copied from Protocols? That's very good. Very funny.

[runciter]

Haha. Brilliant. Usually people just ignore the massive similarities but you're saying this guy reckons Dialogues was copied from Protocols? That's very good. Very funny.

icke's position is not much different, i seem to recall.

[deuce mcallister]

C.S. Lewis wrote a very similar work, the Screwtape Letters. And while he made some very prescient observations to what was going on at the time—as an Oxford scholar, he was most likely an insider with some knowledge—it does not necessarily mean that the book was actually written by demons.

Nice post, I understand exactly what you mean. BTW, I highly recommend Screwtape for those who have not read it.

[mrerisian]

icke's position is not much different, i seem to recall.

I think Icke and I disagree about some things. It's one of his qualities that I admire, he tells you to take the info you need and leave that which you don't.

To be honest I cringe at the idea that he ever gave this whole tawdry area any credibility. There's no new ideas or info to be found that hadn't already been suggested in a more rational (& non-antisemitic) context.

The Protocols were written to add to the already vicious stream of antisemitism which reached its logical conclusion in Nazi Germany. In fact, as I'm sure you all know, Hitler was a big fan of them too.

[runciter]

I think Icke and I disagree about some things. It's one of his qualities that I admire, he tells you to take the info you need and leave that which you don't.

To be honest I cringe at the idea that he ever gave this whole tawdry area any credibility. There's no new ideas or info to be found that hadn't already been suggested in a more rational (& non-antisemitic) context.

The Protocols were written to add to the already vicious stream of antisemitism which reached its logical conclusion in Nazi Germany. In fact, as I'm sure you all know, Hitler was a big fan of them too.

the zionists needed a persecution of european jews in order to create their messianic state.

the protocols were probably written by a rothschild or by someone close to them, in my opinion.

[mrerisian]

in my opinion.

Whereas in actual fact they were a cut and paste from an older book.

[darketernal]

I think Icke and I disagree about some things. It's one of his qualities that I admire, he tells you to take the info you need and leave that which you don't.

To be honest I cringe at the idea that he ever gave this whole tawdry area any credibility. There's no new ideas or info to be found that hadn't already been suggested in a more rational (& non-antisemitic) context.

The Protocols were written to add to the already vicious stream of antisemitism which reached its logical conclusion in Nazi Germany. In fact, as I'm sure you all know, Hitler was a big fan of them too.

Hitler also used trains to transport Jews to the camps. Is it anti-semetic to use a train now?

So Hitler used a document to assist in spreading hatred for the Jews, and it is argued by people such as David Icke, that this document was not written by Jews or about Jews exactally, but by someone else and for another purpose, which he seeks to expose. If that is the case quoting the protocols for a purpose that doesn't attack Jews is no more anti-semetic than us using a train.

I am not among the holocaust deniers or those who think Jews are the source of the problem on this forum (these individuals make up a minority here), mrerisian. I know it happened, and why it happened. Not every tool that Hitler used to assist in his slaughter of Jews is automatically anti-semitic, when used for other purposes. Such arguments will never fly with anyone capable of seeing a larger picture.

[mrerisian]

Hitler also used trains to transport Jews to the camps. Is it anti-semetic to use a train now?

Obviously not, that's a pretty absurd suggestion.


So Hitler used a document to assist in spreading hatred for the Jews,

You can't duck this one, it's relevant to the debate. The Protocols have a specific purpose, that is as a propaganda tool designed to further antisemitism. This purpose continues to be fulfilled today and was certainly slaked in the past. People who don't know that should be told and those who do but are offended by it being mentioned should ask themselves why that is the case.


and it is argued by people such as David Icke, that this document was not written by Jews or about Jews exactally, but by someone else

He's right about that. It was copied from an earlier book. As I've said, it contains nothing new or revelatory. It was published widely in the West at the time. The main characteristic it has which is unique is a determination to cast Jews as evil and the aristocracy as our only hope against them.


quoting the protocols for a purpose that doesn't attack Jews is no more anti-semetic than us using a train.

Why not quote from another book with the same info? Why not quote from Dialogues? The point you make when quoting from Protocols is tainted by the fact it's antisemitic propaganda. Even if you can't see that pretty much everyone else in the mainstream will. You'll not hear the sharp intake of breath made at keyboards around the world as people, like me and many others, go 'ooo - is he going to start telling me Hitler wasn't a bad bloke in a minute?'.

every tool that Hitler used to assist in his slaughter of Jews is automatically anti-semitic, [...] Such arguments will never fly with anyone capable of seeing a larger picture.

I didn't say every tool. I'm being quite specific. Deliberately misunderstanding my position belies a lack of faith in yours.

[darketernal]

Why not quote from another book with the same info? Why not quote from Dialogues? The point you make when quoting from Protocols is tainted by the fact it's antisemitic propaganda. Even if you can't see that pretty much everyone else in the mainstream will. You'll not hear the sharp intake of breath made at keyboards around the world as people, like me and many others, go 'ooo - is he going to start telling me Hitler wasn't a bad bloke in a minute?'.


We are talking about a researcher who has written literally thousands of pages in his books and who has dedicated all of about 2 pages in all of his works to the Protocols. This is also an author and researcher who in numerous of his books states that Jews have been wrongfully pursecuted for the crimes of others, and used as scapegoats. He makes it very clear that he believes the Protocols were falsely used against the Jews, and touches upon them in an effort to show what he feels was their true purpose prior to them being associated with Hitler or the Jews. You do realize he has quoted hundreds and hundreds of works in his books yes?

Have you read any of his books? I don't think many of the BNP supporters or people who blame Jews for our problems would be David Icke fans if they actually read any of his books cover to cover.

[j35p3r4d0]

fark machieavelli, fark aristocracy, fark egotism of status altogeather.

Burn Zion, the jewish headfark needs not be taken seriously, those in service of monotheism should, despite their simple mindedness, due to their prevalence in all ladder-minded game players, be they true men or not

statstical truth: wealth rest in the hands of few over the many.

instinctive truth: those who hold the lives of many in their sway percieve this as acceptable despite its basis, due to situational mandate

cultural truth: "religions" matters not, all games are illusion and cheapening in the extreems, and detrimental.

reject the assumption

[runciter]

Whereas in actual fact they were a cut and paste from an older book.

maybe it's the exact opposite, and the original document is older than joly's book.

[edelweiss pirate]

fark machieavelli, fark aristocracy, fark egotism of status altogeather.

Burn Zion, the jewish headfark needs not be taken seriously, those in service of monotheism should, despite their simple mindedness, due to their prevalence in all ladder-minded game players, be they true men or not

statstical truth: wealth rest in the hands of few over the many.

instinctive truth: those who hold the lives of many in their sway percieve this as acceptable despite its basis, due to situational mandate

cultural truth: "religions" matters not, all games are illusion and cheapening in the extreems, and detrimental.

reject the assumption

Have you swallowed Matrix 5??

[mrerisian]

We are talking about a researcher who has written literally thousands of pages

Actually we're talking about The Protocols as an Illuminati Road map. Icke's involved in a periphery manner because, as you point out he has referenced them.

has dedicated all of about 2 pages in all of his works to the Protocols.

The point I'm making is that the work is so tainted people, rightly or wrongly, see it as a nod or a wink. It's part of the reason people think when Icke talks about Lizards he means Jews and his tacit association with it has in my opinion done more harm than good.

Icke's greatest strength is also his biggest weakness. He's not afraid of what people think of him but what people think of him is important to how seriously they treat his message.


Have you read any of his books?

Yup. Not by any means all of them but I'm certainly well aquainted with his work.

I don't think many of the BNP supporters or people who blame Jews for our problems would be David Icke fans if they actually read any of his books cover to cover.

Possibly not but as I said, that's not really the point. It only takes a few perceived nods and winks for Jew-hating scum to pour onto this website and print their bile. The forum's good nature toward freedom of speech is then tested to the max and, what's more, people who don't understand why that's a good thing judge it as a hate site. I remember recently he spoke out about Palestine, something like 'Time To Tell The Truth'. Great article with good intent but look at how the antisemitism rocketed.

The point here is that Protocols is provable BS. It leaves a bad smell and if there's one thing that attracts it's flies.

Talking of which...

maybe it's the exact opposite, and the original document is older than joly's book.

Yes, maybe... :rolleyes:

You'd need some facts to back that one up though. Not a cut and paste from Rense.

[darketernal]

Actually we're talking about The Protocols as an Illuminati Road map. Icke's involved in a periphery manner because, as you point out he has referenced them.


The point I'm making is that the work is so tainted people, rightly or wrongly, see it as a nod or a wink. It's part of the reason people think when Icke talks about Lizards he means Jews and his tacit association with it has in my opinion done more harm than good.

Icke's greatest strength is also his biggest weakness. He's not afraid of what people think of him but what people think of him is important to how seriously they treat his message.



Yup. Not by any means all of them but I'm certainly well aquainted with his work.



Possibly not but as I said, that's not really the point. It only takes a few perceived nods and winks for Jew-hating scum to pour onto this website and print their bile. The forum's good nature toward freedom of speech is then tested to the max and, what's more, people who don't understand why that's a good thing judge it as a hate site. I remember recently he spoke out about Palestine, something like 'Time To Tell The Truth'. Great article with good intent but look at how the antisemitism rocketed.

The point here is that Protocols is provable BS. It leaves a bad smell and if there's one thing that attracts it's flies.

Talking of which...



Yes, maybe... :rolleyes:

You'd need some facts to back that one up though. Not a cut and paste from Rense.



The point is, you seem to be under the impression that the protocols are a major part of his research, rather than one small source he breifly addresses. If there is one thing you will notice about Icke it is that he publishes his research as he sees it without regard to how it might be percieved. He refuses to self-censor. It could also be argued, and it is regularly, that he should drop the "reptilian" thing. Which I know if he did, he would lose my support. I consider it a more important issue personally than most of the conspiracy-side of his research.

The point is, the man goes where his research leads him. He isn't going to change what he does because you, or I, or anyone else thinks his message would be better served by changing his tactics.

[mrerisian]

The point is, you seem to be under the impression that the protocols are a major part of his research, rather than one small source he breifly addresses.

That's an interesting assertion. It's not one I agree with. Why do you think the above to be the case?

[darketernal]

That's an interesting assertion. It's not one I agree with. Why do you think the above to be the case?

Well you seem to feel that him having anything to do with the protocols is having a negative effect on his work, when he only addresses them in a couple of his books, and for about 30-45 seconds in some of his lectures... and even says in all that he doesn't believe they were written by Jews.

So that being said I have to wonder, given the stance you've taken, if you do not feel he has somehow made looking at these protocols a major part of his work in some way. Why else would you harp on about a subject the man only mentions in passing in his work, and states when he does that these protocols have been falsely pinned on the Jewish people. I'm having a great deal of difficulty comprehending how anyone could think that under those circumstances that this could draw anti-semites to be fans of his.

Anyone who is familiar with his work knows that David absolutely means 7 foot tall reptilians when he says "reptilians", and not Jews. There is nothing even remotely anti-semetic in his research and I know a fair number of Jewish David Icke fans who see nothing anti-semetic in his work.

David doesn't seem to quote the protocols in his work, and mentions them only briefly and says they are not Jewish, and have been falsely pinned on Jews to make them scapegoats. Saying that Jews have been made into scapegoats by this document is anti-semitic? If that is the case why does the ADL and other such organizations make the same claim?

The Biggest Secret (a book I personally consider to be his definative work) p. 212:
"The so-called Protocols of the Elders of Zion were discovered in the last
century and tell in incredible detail the events and methods of manipulation we have seen manifest in the 20th century. These documents were very much the creation of the Rothschilds and the reptilian-Aryans. But they are not really the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, they are, in truth, the Protocols of SION, the Sun, and the Priory of Sion. So much disinformation and aggression has been hurled at the Protocols and anyone who has mentioned them - including me - because the Brotherhood are desperate to discredit their contents. It is far too close to home. Hitler used the Protocols in part to justify the oppression of Jews, but he was given the Protocols by a
Rothschild agent of Khazar decent called Alfred Rosenberg. I don’t accept that the Protocols are ‘Jewish’ in the way people have come to understand that term. They are the work of the reptile-Aryans and made to appear ‘Jewish’ so that we lose the plot."

He only other line about the protocols is on p. 244 of the book: "It was Rosenberg, despite his ‘Jewish’ background, who gave a copy of the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion to Hitler via another occultist, Dietrich Eckart.4 The Protocols were usedby Hilter to justify his campaign against the Jews."

In that chapter he calls Hitler "insane" and "possessed". So all David Icke seems to have to say on the subject is that the Protocols have been used to make Jews a scapegoat, and Hitler was insane and possessed. David has nothing positive to say about Hitler in any of his books.

So using this logic we should accuse the ADL and every Rabbi who mentions the Protocols as a tool used to make Jews a scapegoat as anti-semetic? I'm failing to see the logic here. Please explain this to me why it is ok for one person to say the Protocols have been used negative to falsely make Jews into scapegoats, and why it is not ok for another to say this?

[mrerisian]

I actually think you've gotten a little bit confused here. Perhaps you can point out the part of this string where I argue that: the protocols are a major part of his research,

I don't believe that to be the case.

However I suspect you're not as long term a fan of Icke as I am. I also suspect you think this bloke is wholly wrong:
icke's position is not much different, i seem to recall.

Sadly he's not.

Icke argues that the Protocols reveal a blueprint which the Illuminati are following in a book he wrote called The Robot's Rebellion. You might want to search it out. It's very 'old skool Icke' and it's not as good as his later stuff but even so, it's part of the library. In it he uses a terminology which is borrowed from a bloke called Bill Cooper (who surely you've heard of?) and renames them The Protocols of The Illuminati (which Bill was the first to do in the appendix of his book A Pale Horse, where he reprinted them in full).

I've got a copy of both Bill and Icke's books. Neither of them are great works of fact. Icke improved over time and the man you see now is a zillion times sharper than the bloke us lot in the UK watched on Wogan back in '91. I think Bill got shot dead.

Well you seem to feel that him having anything to do with the protocols is having a negative effect on his work

I do think his position in the past caused him problems and I'm glad he no longer adopts it.


So that being said I have to wonder, given the stance you've taken,

Which is what exactly? You seem to think I'm under the impression that he's a big fan of The Protocols. Where are your quotes of me putting that assertion forward?

[1977]

The Biggest Secret (a book I personally consider to be his definative work) p. 212:
"The so-called Protocols of the Elders of Zion were discovered in the last
century and tell in incredible detail the events and methods of manipulation we have seen manifest in the 20th century. These documents were very much the creation of the Rothschilds and the reptilian-Aryans. But they are not really the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, they are, in truth, the Protocols of SION, the Sun, and the Priory of Sion.
That claim comes from the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail in reference to the Priory of Sion, which may or may not itself be a hoax. Now, as professed former insider, who would be in a position to know more than our dear former sportscaster, what do you think?

[mrerisian]

That claim comes from the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail in reference to the Priory of Sion,

Also true.

I guess the problem with Icke is that if you don't know your classic conspiracy theory texts it can become a little bewildering. Icke should add more citations to show where he's getting his info from, it'd make it easier for people who are new to all this stuff.

[darketernal]

That claim comes from the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail in reference to the Priory of Sion, which may or may not itself be a hoax. Now, as professed former insider, who would be in a position to know more than our dear former sportscaster, what do you think?

I think the Priory De Scion is a real and very old organization. Given that I am of the Merovingian bloodline, this would be known to me.

[edelweiss pirate]

I think the Priory De Scion is a real and very old organization.

It was used to put Charles de Gaule in power.

The Picket and Prince book is a good primer.

[mrerisian]

It was used to put Charles de Gaule in power.

The Picket and Prince book is a good primer.

It's Picknett and Prince.

[1977]

Also true.

I guess the problem with Icke is that if you don't know your classic conspiracy theory texts it can become a little bewildering. Icke should add more citations to show where he's getting his info from, it'd make it easier for people who are new to all this stuff.
As far as I know, he does cite his sources. But Icke only opens the door a crack; I've found that you have to make the step through and read the books he cites; then read the books they cite, and so on.

[edelweiss pirate]

It's Picknett and Prince.

Pick-nit?

[mrerisian]

As far as I know, he does cite his sources. But Icke only opens the door a crack; I've found that you have to make the step through and read the books he cites; then read the books they cite, and so on.

Yep. His latest book always serves as a reading list for me.

What I mean though is that there should be clearer citations to avoid little misunderstandings like the one above. Like in an academic book where there's a little footnote. All too often, particularly in the earlier stuff, it's not clear where he's getting his info from.

[j35p3r4d0]

Have you swallowed Matrix 5??

No, 9 and above, although I do have the source code, and all this religious political bullshit and bloodline nostalga is a little behind the times, isn't it?

no amount of research is going to overturn centuries of dogma in the minds of the many, they don't have much else, except maby "the de'vinchi code", right?

i suggest you update your vectors on thatone.

absoloute power corrupts absoloutely, men pray to be freed of this burden, beasts crave it, and power will be taken from those who have guarded it for centuries only by prying it from their cold dead hands. Cross or star, cresent or wheel. not all of these are truely richeous.


Given that I am of the Merovingian bloodline, this would be known to me.
29-10-2009 05:41 PM


Would it? Does your dna provide this or was it your love of esoteric literature? Does this matter? Or is that a position buffer? Real or not, does religious fanatacism require such certainty? Do we really need to check that the surrendered will of many is power gained for the few?

Do we really need to check if that premice is deserved? OR relevant?

if you want assumed association from the cloked peacock, i suggest you keep feeding that little roleplay, and it's a shame the matrix diddnt include more basement-dwelling cloke-swathling

i do distain at this bemusedly, and the simple posturings of stunted minds. Most displeasing. Most detrimental. Most unproductive.

[runciter]

Yes, maybe... :rolleyes:

You'd need some facts to back that one up though. Not a cut and paste from Rense.

no, it wasn't rense.

by facts you mean a cut and paste from a source that fits your belief system?

[runciter]

icke on the protocols (from "and the truth...")

Meanwhile, those Jews in Germany who were part of, or useful to, this tiny Jewish/non-Jewish Elite were allowed to leave the Nazi-occupied lands and escape to the USA, other safe countries, and to Palestine to begin the work that would culminate in the creation of Israel after the war. They were not the ones who were to suffer so terribly under Hitler. Far from it. They were the ones who were going to use and exploit the suffering of those left behind. When the privileged elite, like the banker Max Warburg, had left Germany, the Jewish men, women, and children considered expendable in pursuit of a wider goal were left to their fate. That fate was sealed when Alfred Rosenberg with his Jewish background, made a copy of The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion available to Hitler. So what could possibly motivate this manipulating Jewish clique to treat their fellow Jews in such a subhuman way?

Quite simply, the manipulators are not really Jews, as Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman points out in his 1974 book, To Eliminate The Opiate. Antelman, who lost seventeen members of his family to the Nazis, says that this clique does not want to promote Judaism, it wants to destroy it, as it wants to destroy all alternatives to its own focus of worship, the All-Seeing Eye cult of antiquity. It is this which provides the common themes of loyalty and motivation between the Jews, Arabs, British, Germans, Americans etc, who are knowingly working together to bring about the global fascist tyranny known as the New World Order.

The ‘Jews’ of the Global Elite could not give a damn about Jewish people, as the Germans in the clique could not care less about the German people. To them, the masses of whatever race, colour, or country, are a herd of nonentities who are there to be used only as necessary to serve their master - the Luciferic Consciousness on the Fourth Dimension. The ‘All Seeing’ Jews, however, and their non-Jewish conspirators, use the smokescreen of ‘anti-Semitism’ and the genuine suffering of real Jews to prevent investigation of their sinister activities. I am convinced that it was this clique which wrote and leaked the Protocols and made it look like a plot by Jewish people as a whole. It is not. No, no, no!

After the war, the unimaginable suffering of Jewish people, condemned by their own elite, among others, was used to bring the State of Israel into being on a wave of understandable emotion, given the stories the world was being told. It has been used ever since to block legitimate investigation into the manipulation of the human race. The label ‘anti-Semite’ is hurled at anyone who challenges the official version of history and who exposes the people who really control the world. One vehicle for this Jewish and non-Jewish clique - which has made Jews suffer so much - is called Zionism and so is the State of Israel, a country and a ruling mindset, which to me looks remarkably like the Nazi mentality.

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Have become bored of the homophobia, Antisemitism (no not anti-Zionism, I know the difference,) racism and overall boring group think which infects conspiracy theorists. Sorry if my tone is over emotional.

who is a semite, sir? a palestinian or an ashkenazi jew?

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