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sukyspook

24-10-2009, 11:35 PM

Meet me (!) in my first and too-loooong anticipated video taken over my home in Nottingham on an April day in 2004 (!) - tempus fugit eh!! Whilst it was filmed quite some time ago, it's as relevant today as then as the trailing continues world-wide as you're all well aware....

Proof if it were needed of the reality of chemtrailing/weather manipulation at first hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOCT56to_WA

dawnismygoddess

25-10-2009, 08:01 AM

eternal wheel

25-10-2009, 10:14 AM

sukyspook

27-10-2009, 08:06 PM

Thank you for this video upload!

It is very important that you captured the elusive 'Black Line' as I call it, on tape all the way back in 2004.

Earlier this year, I saw the Black Line myself, and was able to capture it on still camera. I just happened to be looking out the window at that day's weather modification activity, when suddenly the Black Line appeared out of nowhere! end quote

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Thank you for your comments Dawnismygoddess - until I got back to my collection of stills and videos this weekend to finally do something with them I didn't realise just how many pictures I had of the 'black line' along with all the chemtrails and other weird phenomena I'd captured over the past 8 years or so.

I expect you already know that there are people who are unable to actually SEE chemtrails - I'm married to one!!!!!!

Talking of those who can't 'see':

[QUOTE=eternal wheel;1058362542]OMG!!!
a black line!
following the same trajectory as the vapour trail!!!
note the corellation of the "black line", the "chemtrail" and the location of the sun....
i've seen them loads of times, nothing to be afraid of, people....

we scientists have a name for these mysterious black lines, maybe you're familiar with it???

we call them.......

shadows.

I've just been reading some of your other 'new here' comments. You, sir or madam, are a disinfo merchant and I claim my £5.

You sarcastically say 'shadows' - but of 'what' on 'what' - for whatever they are - they are NOT natural. If you STILL debunk chemtrails after you hopefully deigned to watch my short film which captured an actual real-time covering of the sky - then you may as well go back to sleep.
With all due respect, it's obviously not 'your time' this life around.

I won't be responding to you again on this forum.

;)

eternal wheel

28-10-2009, 04:36 PM

You, sir or madam, are a disinfo merchant and I claim my £5.

You sarcastically say 'shadows' - but of 'what' on 'what' - for whatever they are - they are NOT natural. If you STILL debunk chemtrails after you hopefully deigned to watch my short film which captured an actual real-time covering of the sky - then you may as well go back to sleep.
With all due respect, it's obviously not 'your time' this life around.

I won't be responding to you again on this forum.

;)

sir, thanks. :)
disinfo, again?? just because i happen to disagree with you??
shadows of the vapour trail.
when the sun goes behind a cloud, it gets darker. this is because you are now in the shadow of the cloud, in the same way as if you were lying on the floor looking up, and someone stands between you and the sun, you are in their shadow.
vapour trails are essentially long, thin clouds. you just happened to be lucky enough to be in the shadow of the 'trail.
you obviously haven't deigned to read my posts, as i quite clearly say that i agree that 'stuff' does go on 'up there', but every lingering vapour trail is not a chemtrail.

won't respond again?? why?? because you're afraid i might be right? if you feel you are in a strong position here with this subject what have you got to lose? surely healthy debate can only strengthen your position if you are right? burying your head in the sand and refusing to talk to me weakens your position immensely.

your film, to me, shows vapour trails and an in coming weather system. i am, however, happy to be proved wrong.
just saying "but they're chemtrails" doesn't prove anything.
the only interesting bit on your film is right at the beginning, where the 2 jets are flying together.
perhaps you could break your self imposed ignoring of me and furnish me with some details?
confirmation of time and date.
location.
direction you are facing, so i can try and work out where the planes are.
direction of plane flight.
i know some of this is in the film, but if you could confirm it i 'm interested enough to try and take this further.
i'll either be back with a smug grin, or a worried frown...

breezinreezin

28-10-2009, 04:54 PM

lobuk

28-10-2009, 05:07 PM

I can't say that I have a clue what those black lines are, but your suggestion that a shadow can be suspended in the atmosphere is a novel one, I'd expect to see it on something a bit less impermeable. What branch of science would you be hailing from then?

LoL.

Its a new one to me too.

Never heard of a shadow being able to suspend itself mid air either. ;)

eternal wheel

28-10-2009, 05:13 PM

I can't say that I have a clue what those black lines are, but your suggestion that a shadow can be suspended in the atmosphere is a novel one, I'd expect to see it on something a bit less impermeable. What branch of science would you be hailing from then?

where did i say the shadow is suspended??
maybe i need to explain myself better.

you're ok with the fact that clouds cast shadows, yes?
and for now we'll agree that the 'trail is a long thin cloud, whether it's just water vapour, or something more sinister we'll ignore just for a moment.
when you're in the shadow of the normal cloud, you can still see it, yes? everything doesn't go pitch black the moment the sun goes behind the cloud. (because of the sunlight bouncing off the dust particles in the air, but we don't need to go into that now).
those pics clearly show the photographer is in the narrow shadow caused by the trail. look at the roofs of the houses. the one closest to the photographer is in shadow, despite having nothing overhanging it. the next door house roof is in sunlight, because it is not in the shadow of the trail. you can see the shadow thrown by the chimney.
it is simply the shadow of the con(chem)trail.
i hope this explains it better.
branch of science? all of it, i don't limit myself to specific branches, tho some are more interesting than others......

breezinreezin

28-10-2009, 06:12 PM

where did i say the shadow is suspended??
when you're in the shadow of the normal cloud, you can still see it, yes? everything doesn't go pitch black the moment the sun goes behind the cloud. (because of the sunlight bouncing off the dust particles in the air, but we don't need to go into that now).

I thought I'd concentrate on your scientific credentials first.

So the reason night doesn't descend on us when an itty, bitty cloud passes across that sky is because of reflected light off of dust particles and not due to the sun's direct radiation, is that what you're saying? I say yes, let's go into that now!

cruise4

28-10-2009, 06:15 PM

Pilot monitoring the production of chemtrails by 2 C-17 Globemaster cargo planes in 6000 m height over Germany

Hard to read as it posts the German followed by translation. Please follow link.

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Schilderung eines Linienflugzeug-Piloten Description of a commercial jet pilot
Der Redakteur dieser Homepage traf den Berichterstatter vor einigen Monaten. The rapporteur met with the editor of this website several months ago. Irgendwann im ca. 2 stündigen Gesprächsverlauf fragte ich, welchen Beruf er ausübe. Sometime during the 2 hour discussion progressed, I asked what profession he carried on. Erst nach einigem Nachhaken wurde erkennbar, dass er beruflich im Cockpit als Pilot tätig sei. Only after some insistence became apparent that he was working professionally in the cockpit as a pilot. Daraufhin brachte ich vorsichtig das Thema auf Chemtrails und fragte ihn, ob ihm dieser Begriff und die dahinter stehenden Annahmen, dass es sich um künstlich-chemisch erzeugte Kondensstreifen handle, bekannt seien. Darauf kam zuerst zögernd ein "Ja, ich habe dazu im Internet einiges gelesen". I then gently brought the topic to chemtrails and asked him if he this term and the underlying assumptions that we are dealing with artificially-produced chemical contrails, are known. Then came first hesitantly, "Yes, I have a lot to the Internet read ". Als ich dann zu erkennen gab, dass ich der Redakteur der Homepage When I made it clear that I am the editor of the website open in new window www.chemtrails-info.de sei, und wissen wollte, wie er dazu stehe, und was er evtl. selbst aus dem Cockpit beobachtet habe, erzählte er mir: "Ich habe anfangs gezweifelt, ob die Argumente jener Berichte, die über Chemtrails vor allem im Internet verbreitet werden, den Fakten entsprechen. Dann aber habe ich selbst etwas erlebt, was mich nun davon überzeugt hat, dass Chemikalien aus Flugzeugen versprüht werden, die jene dauerhaften 'Kondensstreifen' erzeugen, die man Chemtrails nennt - zu welchen Zwecken auch immer." Da ich mir während des Gesprächs keine Notizen machte, und noch einige Details klären wollte, bat ich den Piloten einige Wochen später um eine detailierte Niederschrift des Erlebten. www.chemtrails-was info.de, and wanted to know how he stands and what he may have even seen from the cockpit, he told me: "I first doubted whether the arguments of those reports that over chemtrails correspond mainly to be distributed on the Internet, the facts. But then I will personally experienced something that I now believe that chemicals sprayed from aircraft, which produce those enduring 'contrails', which we call chemtrails - for any purpose whatsoever . Since I did not take notes during the conversation, and wanted to clarify some details, I asked the pilots a few weeks later, at a detailed record of what happened. Die schriftlich am 17.08.09 erfolgte Schilderung wird nachfolgend als wörtliche Abschrift wiedergegeben. The written description was made on 17.08.09 is reproduced below as a literal transcript.
Seltsame Aufstiegsanweisungen durch Flugleitstelle Strange climb instructions by flight control center

"Nach dem Start vom Flughafen Frankfurt aM ... befanden wir uns im Reisesteigflug nördlich von Nürnberg. "After taking off from Frankfurt airport ... we were in route climb north of Nuremberg.
Es war nachmittags ca. 14.00 Uhr. It was around 14.00 clock in the afternoon. Die Sichtverhältnisse waren sehr gut, wir flogen nicht durch Wolken. The visibility was very good, we did not fly through clouds. An dem Tag herrschte über Deutschland eine ausgedehnte Hochdruckwetterlage. On the day there was an extensive low pressure system located over Germany.
Beim Passieren von ca. 11-12.000 Fuß wird man dann an den nächsten Radarsektor 'weitergegeben', welcher dann den weitere Steigflug frei gibt. In passing through one of around 11-12.000 foot is then passed to the next radar sector ', which then gives further climb free. Diese Freigaben weden in der Regel recht großzügig gehandhabt. These shares'll be finding generally handled quite generous. So wird man dann von 'München Radar' in der Regel gleich weiter auf Flugfläche 250, also 25.000 Fuß freigegeben. We shall then by 'Munich Radar' is usually released on the same flight next area 250, that is 25,000 feet.
Nicht so an diesem Tag. Not so on this day. Die folgenden Freigaben erfolgten immer in 1000er-Schritten. The following releases were made in 1000 always increments. So war dann die Anweisung des Radarlotsen 'Climb 14.000 Fuß', die nächste dann 'Climb 15.000 Fuß', 'Climb 16.000 Fuß'. That was then, the statement of the radar controllers 'Climb 14,000 feet', then the next 'Climb 15,000 feet', 'Climb 16,000 feet'.
Uns war klar, dass sich über uns ein Flugverkehr befinden musste, welcher in etwa den gleichen Flugweg haben musste, aber langsamer steigen konnte oder wollte, als wir selbst es hätten machen können. We knew that we had to decide on an air traffic which have approximately the same flight path had to, but could not or would grow more slowly than we ourselves could have done.
Auf dem sogenannten TCAS (Traffic Collision and Avoidance System), ein Überwachungsinstrument, mit welchem man den Luftraum um das eigene Flugzeug herum beobachten kann, fiel uns dann ein Verkehr rechts von uns und etwas vor uns auf. On the so-called TCAS (Traffic Collision and Avoidance System), a monitoring tool with which you can watch the skies for one's own plane around, then we noticed a traffic on our right and a little ahead of us. Das das Wetter gut war, hielten wir visuell Ausschau nach dem zu erwartenden über uns kreuzenden Verkehr. The weather was good, we were visually watch for the expected traffic crossing over us. Dieser ließ nicht lange auf sich warten. This was not long in coming.

Chemtrailsausbringung durch 2 Frachtmaschinen vom Typ Globemaster C-17 aus den Tragflächen Chemtrailsausbringung by 2 cargo aircraft of the type C-17 Globemaster from the wings

Es handelte sich um eine schwere Transportmaschine des amerikanischen Typs Globemaster C-17 in der Höhe von 18.000 Fuß. It was a heavy transport aircraft of the American type C-17 Globemaster at a height of 18,000 feet. (6000 m) (6000 m)
Aufgrund unserer Luftraumbeobachtung mithilfe des TCAS-Systems vermuteten wir eine weitere Maschine dieses Typs in einigen weiteren Meilen Abstand in gleicher Höhe dahinter. Based on our observation of the sky using the TCAS system, we suspected that a machine of this type in a few miles farther apart in the same amount behind. Diese konnten wir jedoch visuell nicht ausmachen, wobei ich sicher bin, dass eine zweite Maschine vorhanden war. This we could not form visually, and I am sure that a second machine was available.
Was wir jedoch ausmachen konten, war, dass das Flugzeug einen dichten 'Kondensstreifen' hinter sich herzog. What do we make up accounts, however, was that the plane a thick 'contrails' left behind. In dieser Höhe und zu der herrschenden Jahreszeit ein 'nicht zu erwartendes Phänomen'. At this altitude and the prevailing season a 'not to be expected phenomenon. Flugzeuge, die im dichten Luftraum noch weitaus höher flogen und auch noch deutlich zu sehen waren, zogen keinen Kondensstreifen hinter sich her. Planes that were flying in dense airspace and were still much higher still see clearly, or to be contrails behind them. Also MUSS es sich hier um eine Ausbringung von Stoffen gehandelt haben, welche nicht mit dem üblichen Triebwerksabgas erklärt werden kann. So it HAS to have it done here, at an output of substances, which can not be explained by the conventional engine exhaust.
(Ergänzung d. Red.: Anlässlich der zuvor schon mündlich erfolgten Schilderung fragte ich den Piloten dezidiert, ob die Streifenbildung aus den Triebwerken der Globemaster C-17erfolgt sei. Er antwortete: "Eindeutig nein!" Die Substanzen, aus denen sich die geschilderten Chemtrails bildeten, kamen also aus Düsen in den Tragflächen der Frachtflugzeuge, vermutlich im Bereich der Triebwerke) (Addendum to note: At the oral argument previously made decidedly description, I asked the pilot whether the banding is 17erfolgt from the engines of the Globemaster C-. He replied: "Absolutely not!" The substances of which depicted the Chemtrails formed, so came from nozzles in the wings of the cargo planes, probably in the range of engines)

Sonstige Beobachtungen dieses Piloten hinsichtlich Chemtrailszunahme Other observations made in this regard pilots Chemtrailszunahme

In meinem täglichen Berufsleben (als Pilot, d. Red.) fällt mir auf, dass dieses 'Sprühen' stark zunimmt. In my daily professional life (as a pilot's note) I notice that this 'spraying' grow significantly. Diese Ausbringungen, welche von den Medien oft als 'hohe Nebelfelder' bezeichnet werden, habe ich den ganzen Sommer 2009 über gesehen, meist in Höhen von ca. 18.000 -35.000 Fuß (6000 - 12000 m). This spreading operations, which are referred to by the media, often referred to as 'high Nebelfelder' I've seen all summer of 2009 on, mostly at altitudes of about 18,000 -35,000 feet (6000 - 12000 m).

Wie sich Nebel aus Chemtrails von Nebel aus Contrails in der Höhe unterscheiden How does the fog of chemtrails from contrails of smoke at the height

Es ist oft nicht leicht, einen Kondensstreifen aus Triebwerksabgas von einem Chemtrail zu unterscheiden. It is often not easy to distinguish a vapor from engine exhaust from a chemtrail too. Doch täglich sehe ich Flugzeuge im hohen Luftraum, manchmal aus nächster Nähe, wenn sich die Flugwege kreuzen. But every day I see planes in the sky high, sometimes at close range if they cross the flight paths.
Dabei kann man deutlich erkennen, wie ein Kondensstreifen aussieht und wie ein Chemtrail aussieht. One can clearly see how a contrail looks like and looks like a chemtrail. Vor allem am Verhalten in der Luft kann man unterscheiden. Especially the behavior in the air can be distinguished. Während ein Kondensstreifen irgendwie leicht und dünn ist, und sich dadurch in der Regel recht schnell verflüchtigt, sehen Chemtrails "schwer, träge und irgendwie dicht" aus. While a vapor trail is somewhat light and thin, moving usually quite quickly dissipated, see chemtrails "heavy, sluggish and somehow close out." Und so verhalten sie sich auch. And so they behave.
Es kommt vor, dass wir an einem Tag morgens einen bestimmten Flughafen verlassen, über dessen Umgebung Chemtrails ausgebracht wurden. It happens that we leave on a day in the morning a specific airport, on its surroundings chemtrails have been applied. Kommen wir dann Stunden später zurück zur Landung, bestehen die Chemtrails immer noch und haben sich ausgebreitet zu einem hohen grauen Schleier, während in der weiteren Umgebung längst anderes Wetter herrscht und Wind vorhanden war. Let us return then hours later to land, there are still the chemtrails, and have spread into a great gray veil, while in the wider environment far different weather and wind there was in place.

Enorme Ausbreitung der Chemtrails in der Höhe Enormous spread of chemtrails in the amount

Wenn wir uns im Reiseflug befinden, fliegen wir manchmal stundenlang in und über diesen 'Hochnebel-Feldern'! When we are in the cruise, we fly in and sometimes for hours on this 'fog-boxes'! Derlei Beobachtungen habe ich mittlerweise viele gemacht... Such observations I've made now as many ... Ich habe den Eindruck, dass immer häufiger und mehr gesprüht wird. I have the impression that becomes more frequent and longer sprayed. Das ist natürlich schwer zu beweisen, aber ich denke, dass ich damit richtig liege." This is of course difficult to prove, but I think that I lie to the right. "

Ergänzende Anmerkungen aus mündlichem Interview Additional notes from oral interviews

Soweit der Bericht dieses Berufspiloten. As far as the report of this professional pilots.
Wichtig ist der Hinweis, dass in der angegebenen Flughöhe (18.000 Fuß = 6 km Höhe) noch keine 'Contrails' (herkömmliche Kondensstreifen) möglich waren, wie der übrige Flugverkehr bewies. It is important to note that in the indicated altitude (18,000 feet = 6 km altitude) nor any 'contrails' (conventional contrails) were possible, as shown by the rest of air traffic. Es handelt sich demzufolge um eine eindeutige Chemtrails-Sprühaktion durch 2 Frachtflugzeuge. It is therefore a clear chemtrails spray event by 2-cargo aircraft.

Weiterhin berichtete der Pilot mündlich, dass die Kommunikation der Flugleitstelle mit den sprühenden Flugzeugen auf einer völlig anderen Funkfrequenz erfolgte, als jene mit den Linienflugzeugen... Furthermore, the pilot reported orally that made communication between the flight control center with sparkling planes on a completely different radio frequency than those with the most commercial airliners ...

Das läßt wohl darauf schließen, dass die Chemtrailssprühflugzeuge durch die Fluglotsen anders als der Linienverkehr behandelt werden (vermutlich bevorzugt aufgrund irgendwelcher Anordnungen 'von oben') - und es in den Flugleitstellen sehr wohl bekannt sein dürfte, dass es sich bei diesen Flügen um Sonderaufträge zur 'Atmosphärenbeeinflussung' handelt. That probably suggests that the Chemtrailssprühflugzeuge be treated by the air traffic controllers, different than the regular (probably preferred by virtue of any orders 'from above') - and it very well in the flight control center will know that it is on those flights for special orders to 'atmospheric interference' is.

Daher verwundert es auch nicht, dass die Flugleitstellen oder das UBA bei entsprechenden Anfragen keine Auskünfte über diese Flüge geben (dürfen/wollen). Therefore, it is not surprising that the flight control center or the UBA may (with appropriate inquiries does not give information on those flights / want).
Skyguide (CH) gab immerhin auf nachbohrende Fragen eines schweizer Journalisten zu, dass solche Flüge nicht in den offiziellen Logbüchern eingetragen würden... Skyguide (CH), nevertheless admitted to prodding questions of a Swiss journalist that such flights were not recorded in official log books ... Ob dies tatsächlich so ist, darf allerdings bezweifelt bzw. als Halblüge eingestuft werden... Whether this is indeed the case, however, may be questioned or classified as Halblüge ...

Kein Wunder, dass angesichts solcher Geheimhaltung bzw. Leugnung von Chemtrails auf allen Ebenen unsere Politiker, Wetterberichtler der verschiedenen Sender etc. immer noch so tun und lügen können, dass es schlicht und einfach keine Chemtrailsflieger gäbe und dafür schwachsinnig anmutende Gegenargumente anführen... No wonder that do in the face of such disclosure or denial of chemtrails at all levels of our politicians, Wetterberichtler the various stations, etc., and can lie still so that there simply were no Chemtrailsflieger and lead to weak-sounding arguments against ...

open in new window http://www.chemtrails-info.de/chemtrails/pilotenbeobachtung.htm http://www.chemtrails-info.de/chemtrails/pilotenbeobachtung.htm

abcnick

28-10-2009, 06:19 PM

eternal wheel,

Think whatever you want, but if those black lines are nothing more than shadows of the trails, you can call me Santa Claus... Or Elmer Midd.

Not to get harsh but to me, you would have to be blind to not see that they are black LINES, not shadows cast by the trails. Let me add that I've seen at least one or two black lines myself...

Thing is, look at the trails, look at the line. The line is perfect, a perfect RAY (and line), not a shadow. And the trails are not as perfect as the ray. Also, the shadow on the house in the first picture by dawnismygoddess does not have the exact same angle as the line. Also, the line changes from one trail to the other in the two pictures - why doesn't both trails have the same "shadow" if it really is a shadow? Also.... Well, also, it simply isn't just a shadow.

This is "black" technology, which I suspect is related to the research done by Wilhelm Reich. It might not be exactly that - what do I know - but at the very least, it appears very obvious that it's some form of clandestine tech....

cruise4

28-10-2009, 07:26 PM

This is "black" technology, which I suspect is related to the research done by Wilhelm Reich. It might not be exactly that - what do I know - but at the very least, it appears very obvious that it's some form of clandestine tech....

I've seen one of these things and it was clear it was something very strange. I go along with you on the whole.

lw71

28-10-2009, 09:59 PM

LoL.

Its a new one to me too.

Never heard of a shadow being able to suspend itself mid air either. ;)

Anyone ever seen other examples of 'air' shadows ? A flock of birds, planes, hot air balloons ???

abcnick

29-10-2009, 12:12 AM

Anyone ever seen other examples of 'air' shadows ? A flock of birds, planes, hot air balloons ???

I've seen shadows from clouds, as in a clear delineation between the sun's rays, and where the sun's rays is NOT shining... It looks pretty spectacular sometimes.

But this simply isn't that.
To understand this, one must also understand first that the chemtrails thing actually isn't a joke. Someone is really trying to do something in the atmosphere, spraying some stuff from planes. And the black line thing, is a part of the overall operation.

I can understand that the chemtrails thing is a bit hard to believe in for many people, I didn't believe it myself until I personally witnessed it, and saw that it in no way could be "just regular contrails" which is the constantly recurring argument from those who don't believe it's real.

sukyspook

29-10-2009, 10:58 AM

I've seen shadows from clouds, as in a clear delineation between the sun's rays, and where the sun's rays is NOT shining... It looks pretty spectacular sometimes.

But this simply isn't that.
To understand this, one must also understand first that the chemtrails thing actually isn't a joke. Someone is really trying to do something in the atmosphere, spraying some stuff from planes. And the black line thing, is a part of the overall operation.

I can understand that the chemtrails thing is a bit hard to believe in for many people, I didn't believe it myself until I personally witnessed it, and saw that it in no way could be "just regular contrails" which is the constantly recurring argument from those who don't believe it's real.

Hi Peeps, ABCNick - I completely agree with your statement:

"To understand this, one must also understand first that the chemtrails thing actually isn't a joke. Someone is really trying to do something in the atmosphere, spraying some stuff from planes. And the black line thing, is a part of the overall operation."

.....which is why I've spent soooo long videoing and photographing the ongoing manipulation of our skies almost daily - case in point - yesterday here in the East Mids (UK) we had what I describe as 'lazy chemtrails' which began early morning and continued throughout the day - didn't completely cover the sky but kept an almost 'natural' kind of appearance.... One has to have spent many hours observing the skies to recognise the various kinds of manipulations and believe me - I'M ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERT but have seen enough to KNOW that this is not at all NATURAL.

Said 'lazy chemtrails' are laid in lines but instead of spreading out from a line, they follow the appearance of 'clouds' but are obviously NOT.

Much of the time I believe that the array of "mobile phone" aerials that now cover the country are part of the manipulation, especially when straight lines of cloud 'front's are so obviously unnatural and remain in lines for long periods of time. Generally and in my experience - NATURE DOES NOT WORK IN STRAIGHT LINES. My hunch is that the aerials are operational from a central base and can be switched in grids/lines to cover various locations working 'in tandem' with the chemtrail laying operation - just a hunch as said...

I have family members who flatly refuse to 'see' the difference between a 'contrail' and 'chemtrail' when pointed out over their heads. They wish to remain in denial and so I have learned to leave them alone - it's not their 'time'.....but these things almost cry out to me - and others like me I guess - for attention!

As can be seen on this thread - there are people who also flatly refuse to accept that which is put before their very eyes with FULL EXPLANATION accompanying so they too must be left to their own devices...

I still have the full 30 minute unedited 'master tape' of the entire event which was deemed too boring for those who couldn't sit through it and which is why my son suggested I cut it down for those with short attention spans.

I'm now thinking of posting the entire raw footage in parts for those who wish to witness what I filmed that day 'as-shot/captured'.

Here's the video once again (apologies for my amateurish presentation) but I hoped I'd explained to the complete 'novice to chemtrails', what I'd witnessed - times, dates, directions, regular flight-paths are all included FOR THOSE WITH "EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO HEAR"!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOCT56to_WA

eternal wheel

01-11-2009, 09:51 AM

And the black line thing, is a part of the overall operation.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

I can understand that the chemtrails thing is a bit hard to believe in for many people, I didn't believe it myself until I personally witnessed it, and saw that it in no way could be "just regular contrails" which is the constantly recurring argument from those who don't believe it's real.

it's real ok. but the constant 'every trial in the sky is a chemtrail' totally undermines your position.

eternal wheel

01-11-2009, 10:07 AM

eternal wheel,

Think whatever you want, but if those black lines are nothing more than shadows of the trails, you can call me Santa Claus... Or Elmer Midd.

hi, santa!!:)

you would have to be blind to not see that they are black LINES, not shadows cast by the trails.
and you would have to be blind no to see that they are shadows cast by the trails

Let me add that I've seen at least one or two black lines myself...
and i've seen dozens....

the line changes from one trail to the other in the two pictures - why doesn't both trails have the same "shadow" if it really is a shadow?
did you not do physics at school??
ok, lets try and explain.
the sun, to all intents and purposes, is stationary in the sky. 'you' are standing still on the ground.
the 'trails are moving (say) right to left, being blown by a light breeze at 20,000ft.
the trails are both constantly producing a shadow on the ground, the same as any small cloud.
as trail one blows across between you and the sun, you pass into it's shadow, then out the other side.
then trail two blows across between you and the sun, you pass into it's shadow, then out the other side.
simples.;)

Also.... Well, also, it simply isn't just a shadow.
aah, the most convincing arguement yet, well done.

This is "black" technology, which I suspect is related to the research done by Wilhelm Reich. It might not be exactly that - what do I know - but at the very least, it appears very obvious that it's some form of clandestine tech....
i guess it's all down to different perspectives, if you want to see clandestine tech and global conspiracy in everything, then that's what you'll see.

mystic nomad

01-11-2009, 04:59 PM

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

it's real ok. but the constant 'every trial in the sky is a chemtrail' totally undermines your position.

I really can't recall reading anywhere on this forum that every trail in the sky is a chemtrail, that is just you coming here and trolling that idea around. Evidence is presented, readers can make up there own minds. It's not like we are in an educational establishment being force fed said establishments agenda.

lw71

01-11-2009, 05:47 PM

hi, santa!!:)

i guess it's all down to different perspectives, if you want to see clandestine tech and global conspiracy in everything, then that's what you'll see.

"Zzzzzzzz, Zzzzzzzzzz, Zzzzzzzzzz" - can anyone else hear that ?

breezinreezin

01-11-2009, 05:50 PM

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

it's real ok. but the constant 'every trial in the sky is a chemtrail' totally undermines your position.

And your assertion that total darkness doesn't descend on us when a cloud obscures the sun, because of dust particles, undermines yours.

paolo

02-11-2009, 01:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCQsJ2bjx1U

mystic nomad

02-11-2009, 02:12 AM

WOW! :eek:

That..... Is a mad video, going to have to watch that a few more times methinks. Thanks for posting it:confused:

sukyspook

02-11-2009, 08:49 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCQsJ2bjx1U

That has to be one of the best 'captures' of bizarre manipultions I've seen - well done for catching it - I've only watched half but had to say how amazing it is. Of course it's a kind of 'shadow' - but in 3 or more (at times) parts which joins up then separates again....bizarre.

I'm lost as to just what's going on there, apart from the OBVIOUS (not for some on here eh ;) !) manipulation of course. I've seen lots of whole days where the spraying follows the suns path as if trying to prevent it from reaching us - which imo is weird as it doesn't shine directly ON US but reacts with the atmosphere to create light. . .space is black - AND COLD - or are they' doing it so that we'll notice 'them' as opposed to 'God's sun'?

OR ARE 'THEY' TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE APPEARANCE OF A 'REAL' SKY as things might not be what they appear to be? Or could all this be part of the 'Borg Agenda' to truly create 3D fake skies?? Or have we 'ascended' and are on another planet lolololol!!

Who knows - but there isn't a day goes by without some strange anomaly over my head.

Thanks for the vid Paolo - I'll watch the rest when I get back.

Suke

eternal wheel

02-11-2009, 09:07 AM

kryst

02-11-2009, 12:21 PM

interesting vid. :)
you were lucky to be in a position to film it.

so,
enduge me here,

plane flys across sky at high altitude leaving a trail.
sun above, clouds below.
the trail casts a shadow onto the clouds below it.
because the clouds are different heights, the shadow appears in different places, relative to the sun.
when the sun, the trail, and the shadows all line up , relative to you, the 3 shadows become one.
the shadow doesn't blot out the sun at this point, the digital camera you are using takes a fraction of a second to adjust from being in brilliant sunlight to being in shadow.
please explain how/why you 'lazer' clouds??
and the cloud change due to 'lazering' appears on both sides if the shadow?

interesting vid, all the same.

I'd have to agree with it being a shadow.

But normal water vapour has no-where near the density to block out that amount of sunlight. If this were the case, why isn't that kind of thing a common occurrence?

Remember that clouds are different to normal water vapour trails, as they have condensation nuclei that keep the water droplets in suspension - and even clouds wouldn't be able to produce this effect, unless they were immensely thick.

Think of how thin, compared a dark cloud, that 'vapour trail' must be, yet it's producing that kind of shadow. No way is that normal - it's basically completely opaque - even thick clouds let more light through than that.

Sorry for having a go at you earlier by the way - I wrongly assumed that you were here to piss people off.

breezinreezin

02-11-2009, 12:41 PM

Think of how thin, compared a dark cloud, that 'vapour trail' must be, yet it's producing that kind of shadow. No way is that normal - it's basically completely opaque - even thick clouds let more light through than that.

Apologies also to EW, here's a pretty convincing explanation of the phenomenon, though, as meterologists they insist on calling them contrails and not chemtrails:

http://www.weatherscapes.com/album.php?cat=clouds&subcat=contrail_shadows

<shrug> You live and learn. It just goes to show that we need skeptics as much as believers to get to the truth of matters.

kryst

02-11-2009, 04:28 PM

Yeah. That's the explination that I assume to be true.

Only problem is, like I say, a normal contrail doesn't have a great enough partical density to block out that much sunlight.

breezinreezin

02-11-2009, 06:33 PM

Yeah. That's the explination that I assume to be true.

Only problem is, like I say, a normal contrail doesn't have a great enough partical density to block out that much sunlight.

Yeah, well meteorologists won't publicly buy into the concept of chemtrails for fear of losing professional credibilty. But its about time some of these people started asking questions.

eternal wheel

02-11-2009, 07:29 PM

why isn't that kind of thing a common occurrence?

it is, you just have to be in the right place, relative to the trail and the sun. i've seen quite a few. most bizzare. it took a couple of viewings to figure out what they were initially.

Sorry for having a go at you earlier by the way - I wrongly assumed that you were here to piss people off.

no probs. :)

kryst

02-11-2009, 10:58 PM

it is, you just have to be in the right place, relative to the trail and the sun. i've seen quite a few. most bizzare. it took a couple of viewings to figure out what they were initially.

Fair enough, but even so, do you think that gaseous water, alone, could have that kind of opacity?

I think that there needs to be some larger molecules at work in this case.

eternal wheel

03-11-2009, 09:30 AM

Fair enough, but even so, do you think that gaseous water, alone, could have that kind of opacity?

I think that there needs to be some larger molecules at work in this case.

but it's not just gaseous water. aviation fuel is as near as dammit diesel (ish).
look at the shite that comes out the back of a bus!:eek:
you're right, there are larger molecules at work, soot for one. (cup your hand over the exhaust pipe of a diesel motor then look at your hand!).
you can see the black smoke/particles coming out the back of jet engines at low altitudes. they're still there at high altitudes....

kryst

03-11-2009, 11:48 AM

but it's not just gaseous water. aviation fuel is as near as dammit diesel (ish).
look at the shite that comes out the back of a bus!:eek:
you're right, there are larger molecules at work, soot for one. (cup your hand over the exhaust pipe of a diesel motor then look at your hand!).
you can see the black smoke/particles coming out the back of jet engines at low altitudes. they're still there at high altitudes....

Heh. Seems like Jet Fuel is becoming the crux of more than just one conspiracy theory. Coincidentally, I can find little information about what is actually produced (all possible pollutants) upon combustion.

Depending on the supply of oxygen, jet fuel burns by one of three chemical reactions:

(1) CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O (colourless/white in suspension)

(2) CnH2n+2 + (2n+1)/2 O2 => n CO + (n + 1) H2O (colourless/white in suspension)

(3) CnH2n+2 + (n+1)/2 O2 => n C + (n + 1) H2O

Obviously there are some other additives (many are undisclosed, which is part of the chemtrail theory), yet I'm still not convinced that soot (carbon) alone could produce THAT much 'crap'. Think of how thick it must be, coming out the back of a relatively small jet engine.

Plus, the trail in that video was a pure white line, whereas that degree of dense soot would be at least a shade darker.

The question is, what chemicals are white in that state, and might be released in such a dense stream.

fuzzylogic

03-11-2009, 12:05 PM

Obviously there are some other additives (many are undisclosed, which is part of the chemtrail theory), yet I'm still not convinced that soot (carbon) alone could produce THAT much 'crap'. Think of how thick it must be, coming out the back of a relatively small jet engine.
How small is relatively? Jet engines are quite large, I'd say.

And anyway...

Contrails consist of ice particles that mainly nucleate on exhaust soot and volatile plume aerosol particles.
So it's not the soot that you see, you see the ice particles that form on the soot.

Taken from -> http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_sr/?src=/climate/ipcc/aviation/035.htm

lw71

04-11-2009, 12:29 AM

http://tracers.8m.com/inthetrails.htm

sukyspook

16-11-2009, 07:33 PM

Risking cries of 'self publicist' - which I'm absolutely NOT - I wonder why the video, which was the reason I began this thread, has only received 186 views whilst there have been over 1,000 views of this thread.....

I should have put 'video' after the title which was my first mistake.

However, all I ever wanted was to convince nay-sayers who still believe that "chemtrails" are a fiction by posting a video proving the 'construction' of a faux-sky in 'real-time'.

If you haven't watched the video, here it is again and I hope the 'shill' doesn't show up again.....

As said, I cringe at watching myself on camera so this isn't about 'me' - it's about what's going on above ALL OUR HEADS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOCT56to_WA

anthony1965

23-11-2009, 10:16 AM

Excellent work Sukyspook! :)

I just didn't see the lines in the sky until I read about chemtrails about 3 years ago. When I did notice them I was shocked. We were being gridded pretty much every day. I spent several weeks helplessly watching this crap, and when I pointed it out to people they didn't want to know.

** I've seen the black lines on a number of occasions, but I haven't seen them "switch on" in the way yours did! Great capture!

And then my first orgonite arrived in the post! Three years later and the sky here looks much, much better! I've gifted many, many mobile phone masts and TV towers in the region... and there are still many more to find and gift, but the benefits are there to be enjoyed!

The small hole above the first tower I gifted has now been pushed out in all directions so that last week, for example, a hole of maybe 40 miles or so stayed blue while trails were sticking only in the distant horizon and the odd mini trail where a tower or mast has escaped me...

For all those who want to see blue skies again, I highly recommend gifting orgonite (see the mega orgonite thread on the forum for more details...).

anthony1965

23-11-2009, 10:25 AM

OMG!!!
a black line!
following the same trajectory as the vapour trail!!!
note the corellation of the "black line", the "chemtrail" and the location of the sun....
i've seen them loads of times, nothing to be afraid of, people....

we scientists have a name for these mysterious black lines, maybe you're familiar with it???

we call them.......

shadows.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

If you watch Suky's video then you will see how the black line appears from one moment to the next.

"Nothing to be afraid of"... :confused:

Who said they were afraid? People are simply reporting what they have witnessed. There are occasion when the trails cast shadows in the sky, but I've seen black lines in the sky that were definitely not shadows... for example, when the lines / chemtrails were broken up but the line continued intact.

Who's afraid? It seems that you are the one who is afraid of people thinking for themselves, asking questions and looking for their own answers rather than rely on the corrupt and self-interested mainstream science whores.

Were you a CO2 is behind global warming supporter by the way?

Or did you reject the one sided arguments of the bogus science that was used to push a political agenda (which is rapidly falling apart...)

pureheart

23-11-2009, 10:35 AM

Well done Sukyspook. :)

I've seen a lot of skies like that here lately and have taken some photographs of some very odd cloud dispersion. If I ever manage to get the proper lead for my mobile phone I will try to download the images. ;)

I wonder how much all this windy weather interferes with spraying?

eternal wheel

23-11-2009, 07:05 PM

"Nothing to be afraid of"... :confused:

Who said they were afraid?

sarcasm is lost on some people, isn't it.:rolleyes:;)

People are simply reporting what they have witnessed.
no, they're reporting what they think they, or want to, see. which is fair enough, but to insist it's the only explanation and deride all other reasoning is wrong.

There are occasion when the trails cast shadows in the sky, but I've seen black lines in the sky that were definitely not shadows... for example, when the lines / chemtrails were broken up but the line continued intact.
because the position of the sun means it was projecting the shadow from an unbroken part of the trail.....

It seems that you are the one who is afraid of people thinking for themselves, asking questions and looking for their own answers
i wish some of you would think, i really do. yes, ask questions, please ask questions, pertinant ones, let's get to the bottom of this. but remember just because an answer is not the one you want to hear, doesn't mean it's the wrong answer......

rather than rely on the corrupt and self-interested mainstream science whores.
like darwin, einstein, tesla, hawkins..... yes lets all listen to nutty conspiracy theorists with no knowledge of the subject but are sure their view is right instead....:rolleyes:

Were you a CO2 is behind global warming supporter by the way?
i thought it was a small contributory factor, blown out of all proportion.

Or did you reject the one sided arguments of the bogus science that was used to push a political agenda (which is rapidly falling apart...)
see above.

any more questions??

eternal wheel

23-11-2009, 07:08 PM

I wonder how much all this windy weather interferes with spraying?

a lot, i would imagine.;)
it's bad enough trying to spray a car in a 20mph wind,
let alone trying to accurately spray 20,000 feet up in a 200mph jetstream....

which is why they're just contrails...... :p

sukyspook

23-11-2009, 07:32 PM

Oh dear - shill alert - again.

I don't know about any of you but I've been watching the skies since I was a child.

Many 'skies' now are NOT natural. I've noticed this particularly since the late 90's and have been photographing/filming these since 2002/3.

If anyone wants any more info on chemtrails the best advice I would give is to stop asking others about them and to go outside and watch.....for hours.....days....weeks....months.

Thank you to those who watched the video and 'got' what I was trying to convey. The footage speaks for itself - no further explanations necessary.

eternal wheel

23-11-2009, 08:12 PM

Oh dear - shill alert - again.
oh no, someone doesn't agree with my nutty theories, never mind facts and science, quick call them names, that'll prove i'm right.:rolleyes:

I don't know about any of you but I've been watching the skies since I was a child.
as have i. they're beautiful, arn't they. :)
unlike you however, i bothered to study and find out more about what i was actually looking at....

Many 'skies' now are NOT natural.
if you mean 'are now covered with man made 'trails', then i agree 100%

I've noticed this particularly since the late 90's and have been photographing/filming these since 2002/3.

boeing has built approx 2,000 new civil planes since 2003, airbus has built over 2000, with over 2500 on order (sources-boeing & airbus. figures available to 2007, i extrapolated the last 2 years). when you add in all the other civil airliner manufacturers, is it any wonder you're seeing a hell of a lot more vapour trails???:rolleyes:
is this having an effect on our atmosphere? sure it is. a bad one.
has it affected our atmosphere and weather so contrails linger more now? i see no reason to argue against that.
are we being sprayed daily with chemicals in a global, organised way by thousands of aircraft around the world, the only evedence of which are a few lingering vapour trails?
i'd venture to guess 'no'.

If anyone wants any more info on chemtrails the best advice I would give is to stop asking others about them and to go outside and watch.....for hours.....days....weeks....months.
years.... and if you're very (un)lucky, you might see a couple.

Thank you to those who watched the video and 'got' what I was trying to convey. The footage speaks for itself - no further explanations necessary.

i've watched it 3 times. you're right, the footage does speak for itself. ;)

pegcityevolve

23-11-2009, 10:33 PM

Somebody post up the video where it shows the black lines slicing and dicing up whole clouds? It even blocked the sun, these black lines, 100%. Definitely not shadows.

anthony1965

24-11-2009, 09:16 AM

sarcasm is lost on some people, isn't it.:rolleyes:;)

no, they're reporting what they think they, or want to, see. which is fair enough, but to insist it's the only explanation and deride all other reasoning is wrong.

because the position of the sun means it was projecting the shadow from an unbroken part of the trail.....

i wish some of you would think, i really do. yes, ask questions, please ask questions, pertinant ones, let's get to the bottom of this. but remember just because an answer is not the one you want to hear, doesn't mean it's the wrong answer......

like darwin, einstein, tesla, hawkins..... yes lets all listen to nutty conspiracy theorists with no knowledge of the subject but are sure their view is right instead....:rolleyes:

i thought it was a small contributory factor, blown out of all proportion.

see above.

any more questions??

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit as you know...

It becomes you very well... :rolleyes:

eternal wheel

24-11-2009, 10:08 AM

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit as you know...

It becomes you very well... :rolleyes:

thanks! :)

pureheart

24-11-2009, 12:29 PM

thanks! :)

I do like the way that you never lose your temper eternal wheel. :D

willys girl

24-11-2009, 04:55 PM

anthony1965

24-11-2009, 05:06 PM

sukyspook

24-11-2009, 05:27 PM

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to add that I was not told about chemtrails for me it was a case of looking up month after month thinking what the hell is that.What I was looking at were trails criss crossed everywhere and strange cloud formations which in my view were not normal.Then one day I noticed a picture of trails on the net and ive not stopped reading since.Like a lot of others here I have spent months looking up observing and photographing what I saw and im not imagining what is going on.This thread has a lot of flippant sarcastic remarks which are posted to what? ridicule people who are concerned and make people feel like they are crazy.Thousands of people all over the world are recording chemtrails daily so on that basis alone something is up with our skies.Its sad that we come on here to share our findings only to be met with sarcastic remarks but the trick is dont let it burst your bubble because for those like me who have studied the skies for months we know its real.

Good for you! :)

And there are records going back decades that detail weather manipulation, artificial cloud creation, ionispheric heating, etc, etc, etc...

;) - especially: This thread has a lot of flippant sarcastic remarks which are posted to what? ridicule people who are concerned and make people feel like they are crazy

I used to post a lot on this and the previous forum but I keep it to a minimum now as I really can't be arsed with smart arses who just want to appear to be 'top dog' and know more than others. My own ego is well under control and I'm constantly aware of the dangers it poses - most people who understand the predicament of humanity come to the same conclusion - eventually. As I said previously, the reason for this thread was to share a video which speaks for itself. I'm glad the majority who've been here 'get' it and I, for one, appreciate your honesty and decency.

Love,
Suke
xx

eternal wheel

24-11-2009, 07:48 PM

Thousands of people all over the world are recording chemtrails daily
so where do the planes go?
where are they based?
why has NO-ONE EVER seen a chemtrail sprayer take off or land?
england is a small, over-populated island, where do they hide the planes?
what about the logistics?
the tens of thousands of gallons of aviation fuel that has to 'dissapear' into these projects?
the spare parts?
the crews?
etc, etc, etc.

thousands of well meaning, but mis-informed people are recording contrails and being stressed out for no reason by the few who insist that any lingering contrail is a chemtrail.

so on that basis alone something is up with our skies.
yes, it's full of shite spewed out of civil airliners as normal exhaust gas.

those like me who have studied the skies for months we know its real.
if you had really studied the skies for months, you'd know the massive majority are contrails.

eternal wheel

24-11-2009, 08:08 PM

Good for you! :)

And there are records going back decades that detail weather manipulation, artificial cloud creation, ionispheric heating, etc, etc, etc...

a lot more than 'decades', try 80-odd years. but then you'd know that if you were REALLY interested in con/chemtrails, and not just here to perpetuate the myth that any lingering contrail is a chemtrail.....
irving langmuir, (1881-1957), nobel prize winner in 1932, and his assistant vincent schaefer began silver iodide cloud seeding experiments in the early 1940's, which became 'project cirrus' in about 1947 (can't remember exactly, google it if you're really as into chemtrails as you say).
the soviets were modifying the weather by the 1950's.
you of course know all about 1966's 'project popeye' , don't you....
and you've read the USAF's 'weather as a force multiplier: owning the weather by 2025', haven't you...

none of which means that any old vapour trail is a chemical spray, just that it can and does go on, albeit on a tiny scale.

eternal wheel

24-11-2009, 08:10 PM

and know more than others.

thanks for that admission. i'm happy to have helped. :D

hopefully it will enable us all to get to the bottom of whatever's going on up there quicker.....

indianinthemachine

25-11-2009, 02:29 AM

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anthony1965

25-11-2009, 08:49 AM

a lot more than 'decades', try 80-odd years. but then you'd know that if you were REALLY interested in con/chemtrails, and not just here to perpetuate the myth that any lingering contrail is a chemtrail.....
irving langmuir, (1881-1957), nobel prize winner in 1932, and his assistant vincent schaefer began silver iodide cloud seeding experiments in the early 1940's, which became 'project cirrus' in about 1947 (can't remember exactly, google it if you're really as into chemtrails as you say).
the soviets were modifying the weather by the 1950's.
you of course know all about 1966's 'project popeye' , don't you....
and you've read the USAF's 'weather as a force multiplier: owning the weather by 2025', haven't you...

none of which means that any old vapour trail is a chemical spray, just that it can and does go on, albeit on a tiny scale.

"A lot more than decades" :confused:

Isn't 80 years decades? :confused:

Not centuries is it...

Why do you write that I am here to perpetuate a myth that any lingering trail is a chemtrail?

Jumping to conclusions aren't you.

eternal wheel

25-11-2009, 09:05 AM

eternal wheel

25-11-2009, 09:11 AM

"A lot more than decades" :confused:

Isn't 80 years decades? :confused:

Not centuries is it...

yeh, still decades, but not far off a century tho...
i suppose that 99 years is still 'decades'.
to me, 80 years is more like 'nearly a century', but i'll concede that one.;)

Why do you write that I am here to perpetuate a myth that any lingering trail is a chemtrail?

Jumping to conclusions aren't you.

because thats how it seems to me, reading your posts.

pureheart

25-11-2009, 05:16 PM

When you have stopped bickering ;), could someone please tell me what might cause clouds like these....

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac60/PureHeart09/sylph.jpg

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac60/PureHeart09/isthisasylph.jpg

Ta muchly :D

eternal wheel

25-11-2009, 06:33 PM

see other thread. ;)

anthony1965

26-11-2009, 10:24 AM

yeh, still decades, but not far off a century tho...
i suppose that 99 years is still 'decades'.
to me, 80 years is more like 'nearly a century', but i'll concede that one.;)

because thats how it seems to me, reading your posts.

Yes. Still decades. I'm not sure how you reach your 80 years from your original post where you mentioned the early 40's, which would be 70 years not 80 years, but I assume that weather modification existed pre world war two, and if you take Tesla's experiments then you probably have your century! :) And I would say that the history goes back even longer, perhaps millennia... but that's another story... ;)

*** I recently read an account of the Battle of Hurtgen Forest in world war two. In the book they mentioned the ongoing mini weather war going on in the arctic as the Germans and allies sent up their respective weather forecasting teams and tried to wipe out the opposition. Most of the reporting seems to lie on weather prediction, but given that tesla's technology was around for decades (that word again) beforehand, I'm sure that they were also trying to influence the weather.

Weather modification is a fact. It takes numerous forms. Some have been documented (or at least I have seen documents that support them). Some have either not been documented or I personally haven't seen the documents.

Just for the record, here are some threads I created as Anthony65.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65014

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50547

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50412

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49167

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49166

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64112

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60762

*** As for chemtrails. My position is actually quite similar to yours apparently. I posted several times as Anthony65 that I feel that there is combination between ground based antennas and air-based aircraft. The combination can be seen when the trails stick only in portions of the sky that contain the sickly looking artificial clouds and not in areas of the sky that look natural... blue or with natural puffy type clouds.

Yesterday was the perfect example. The sky was split into three portions. To the east was blue sky where zero trails were sticking. In the middle was a strip several kilometres wide where the trails had more success, but even then, the trails were sticking and not sticking in different parts of the sky. To the west there was another scene with isolated patches of ugly looking fake clouds where mini-trails would stick, but mainly blue skies, fluffy whites.... and beautiful sylph like clouds of the feathery variety that are often seen in healthy looking skies.

I distinguish the aircraft as follows:

1) Regular commercial jets which sometimes leave trails and sometimes don't depending on the state of the sky.

2) Military planes that generally leave no trails, but occasionally leave trails and sometimes fly bizzare patterns, including circles for example, like an air show.

3) Dedicated chemtraillers / black ops planes that leave big fat ugly trails, sometimes of a different colour to regular trails. These trails are also dependent on the sky conditions, but they are more likely to stick than regular commercial jets. Sometimes you will see a sky with hardly any trails sticking and along comes a fat trail across the sky like a computer paint program... but even the fattest trails might (nowadays usually) stop suddenly when the sky no longer contains the necessary crap for the trail to stick.

There's more I could write now, but that's enough information for one go I reckon...

eternal wheel

26-11-2009, 10:37 AM

Weather modification is a fact. It takes numerous forms. Some have been documented (or at least I have seen documents that support them). Some have either not been documented or I personally haven't seen the documents.
well said.

As for chemtrails. My position is actually quite similar to yours apparently.
careful, you'll get called silly names!

if i may edit the below....
I distinguish the aircraft as follows:

1) Regular commercial jets which sometimes leavetrails which linger and spread to cover the whole sky, sometimes just linger, sometimes are just 'normal' trails and sometimes don't leave any trail at all, depending on the state of the sky.

2) Military planes that generally leave no trails because they fly lower, usually, but occasionally leave trails (as above) and sometimes fly bizzare patterns, including circles for example, like an air show.

3) Dedicated chemtraillers / black ops planes that leave big fat ugly trails, sometimes of a different colour to regular trails. These trails are also dependent on the sky conditions, but they are more likely to stick than regular commercial jets. i've never seen one, but it doesn't mean there arn't any. Sometimes you will see a sky with hardly any trails sticking and along comes a fat trail across the sky like a computer paint program... but this is because the plane is at a different altitude to the others. even the fattest trails might (nowadays usually) stop suddenly when the sky no longer contains the necessary crap for the trail to stick.

There's more I could write now, but that's enough information for one go I reckon...
:cool:;)

tothestars

26-11-2009, 01:30 PM

eternal wheel

26-11-2009, 01:40 PM

edited for accuracy,

Sylphs.

much loved by the clinically insane :)

:p:D

anthony1965

26-11-2009, 05:01 PM

edited for accuracy,

:p:D

Editing other peoples posts is a bit naughty. Could easily lead to misunderstandings when people are skimming through a page.

What's your problem with sylphs? Yesterday you were calling someone a F***** nutter, now this...

Do you dismiss out of hand the concept of elemental spirits?

tothestars

26-11-2009, 08:50 PM

eternal wheel

26-11-2009, 10:40 PM

Editing other peoples posts is a bit naughty. Could easily lead to misunderstandings when people are skimming through a page.

What's your problem with sylphs? Yesterday you were calling someone a F***** nutter, now this...

Do you dismiss out of hand the concept of elemental spirits?

fair point i hadn't thought of. i did specifically say i was modifying it though, rather than just doing it.
yesterday was a bad day.....:o we all have them.....

sylphs..... hmmm....
i find the fact that people can possibly believe the sylph scenario disturbing.
to me, it's like saying cars move by magic, and when i say 'err no, there's an engine under the bonnet....' i get laughed at by the 'magic believers'.

the things (you?) call sylphs are so obviously Virga clouds it beggars belief that people can possibly think they are anything else?????:eek::rolleyes:
as for them being invisible, sentient beings that are here to help mankind by eating chemtrails, and we can only see them when their tummies are full of chamtrails..... well, take a step back are read that again, then read this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virga
i mean, come on......:rolleyes:

if you mean this definition, then no, i don't believe.....

Elemental spirits are believed to be spirits of things that inhabit nature. In the era of ancient religions where the belief of animism was common in many societies the belief in the existence of elemental spirits was almost universal. Animism is the belief that trees, mountains, rivers and other natural formations possess a spirit that can bring them to animation.

but i wouldn't dissmis anything out of hand.
although sylphs have got to be pretty close.....

you know what? i'd LOVE to be PROVED wrong on this, that would be so FUCKING AMAZING!!!:eek:

but i ain't gonna hold my breath.....

banjoreality

26-11-2009, 11:40 PM

a lot, i would imagine.;)
it's bad enough trying to spray a car in a 20mph wind,
let alone trying to accurately spray 20,000 feet up in a 200mph jetstream....

which is why they're just contrails...... :p

you really are an eternal prick.....contrails,contrails blablabla
the truth is in the air and it's staring a lot of people in the face

hope you know a lot of us are doing all we can do to expose DIRECT AND INDIRECT AEROSOL PROGRAMS RELATED TO GEO-ENGINEERING, the web is a big place. Got enough intel agents to cover it?

eternal wheel

27-11-2009, 09:18 AM

the truth is in the air and it's staring a lot of people in the face

indeed it is, my friend, indeed it is.

pureheart

27-11-2009, 01:12 PM

Just for a moment eternal_wheel, can't you think about the way you would feel if somebody proved to you that sylphs were real? Close your eyes and imagine realising that there is good in the world that we weren't aware of, and that humans aren't battling away against man-made pollution all on their own.

Now that little leap of optimism has got to be worth a bit of self-delusion hasn't it? :p

truthseeker1980

27-11-2009, 01:38 PM

indeed it is, my friend, indeed it is.

Do we have another MARPAT?

Why if these are vapour trails did they never used to stay in the sky for hours and disperse into clouds back when i was a kid?

And why did they not have black lines in the sky near them in the 80's, or shadows as your insanity makes you think.

I KNOW what a vapour trail is and ive seen n got pictures of one plane leaving a vapour trail, (In other words a trail of vapour which has turned to ice trailing behind the plane by a few feet) and the rest of the sky covered in CHEMTRAILS and planes leaving CHEMTRAILS.

The only clinically insane people are the ones who dont have a memory of how the skies used to be in the 80's. When do we get BLUE SKY DAYS now? Hardly ever.

i was fascinated with vapour trails as a kid, on a summers day i'd stare at the sky for hours and watch planes leave a tiny trail of frozen vapour behind them.

NOW we still get vapour trails, they haven't disappeared and a DISINFO agent cant pull the wool over the eyes of inquisitive people on this site, so why bother even coming on here to try.

WE KNOW these are not vapour trails, if you search through all the posts on this forum you'll find scientific studies and reports from certain govs admitting they spray CHEMTRAILS, so WHY bother trying to convince the more awake people that we are wrong.

I hope you are paid well to spread disinfo, you are selling your soul and your true self wouldn't be happy that you are reperesnting a group of money obsessed possesed families attacking mother earth and it's people.

WAKE UP!

fuzzylogic

27-11-2009, 02:05 PM

Do we have another MARPAT?

Why if these are vapour trails did they never used to stay in the sky for hours and disperse into clouds back when i was a kid?
I wasn't a kid during the second world war, but vapour trails were doing just that back then...

http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/1940sairforcepictorial.jpg

There is plenty of photographic evidence of persistent contrails before the 80s.

And why did they not have black lines in the sky near them in the 80's, or shadows as your insanity makes you think.
You are asking why something you say didn't exist didn't do something. But they did exist, therefore they were, if you happened to see one.

I KNOW what a vapour trail is and ive seen n got pictures of one plane leaving a vapour trail, (In other words a trail of vapour which has turned to ice trailing behind the plane by a few feet) and the rest of the sky covered in CHEMTRAILS and planes leaving CHEMTRAILS.
Like this you mean... ?

http://contrailscience.com/images/2planes1contrail.jpg

The reason for the different trails is different engines.

The only clinically insane people are the ones who dont have a memory of how the skies used to be in the 80's. When do we get BLUE SKY DAYS now? Hardly ever.

i was fascinated with vapour trails as a kid, on a summers day i'd stare at the sky for hours and watch planes leave a tiny trail of frozen vapour behind them.
Romantic, but irrelevant. Just cos you didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't exist. Again, persistent contrails existed. Plenty of photographic evidence.

How will you change your opinion on your childhood memories if you accept that these trails existed back then?

NOW we still get vapour trails, they haven't disappeared and a DISINFO agent cant pull the wool over the eyes of inquisitive people on this site, so why bother even coming on here to try.

WE KNOW these are not vapour trails, if you search through all the posts on this forum you'll find scientific studies and reports from certain govs admitting they spray CHEMTRAILS, so WHY bother trying to convince the more awake people that we are wrong.
How very open minded of you.

WAKE UP!
Et tu, Brute.

eternal wheel

27-11-2009, 07:02 PM

Just for a moment eternal_wheel, can't you think about the way you would feel if somebody proved to you that sylphs were real?
scared? very interested? i'd want to get up there and see one, close up, or even inside, if they're etherial.
Close your eyes and imagine realising that there is good in the world that we weren't aware of, and that humans aren't battling away against man-made pollution all on their own.
Now that little leap of optimism has got to be worth a bit of self-delusion hasn't it? :p

if that's what floats your boat, then fair enough, but it's starting to sound a bit like a religion, omnipotent, sentient, caring, invisible beings looking over and out for us......

i'll stick with provable facts, thanks.;)

pureheart

27-11-2009, 07:14 PM

scared? very interested? i'd want to get up there and see one, close up, or even inside, if they're etherial.

if that's what floats your boat, then fair enough, but it's starting to sound a bit like a religion, omnipotent, sentient, caring, invisible beings looking over and out for us......

i'll stick with provable facts, thanks.;)

I didn't actually say that I believe it, I said I would like to believe it. Unfortunately I'm not actually that optimistic. :(

eternal wheel

27-11-2009, 07:16 PM

Do we have another MARPAT?
i'm honored.:D

Why if these are vapour trails did they never used to stay in the sky for hours and disperse into clouds back when i was a kid?
they did.

And why did they not have black lines in the sky near them in the 80's, or shadows as your insanity makes you think.
they did.

I KNOW what a vapour trail is
are you sure?

and ive seen n got pictures of one plane leaving a vapour trail, (In other words a trail of vapour which has turned to ice trailing behind the plane by a few feet) and the rest of the sky covered in CHEMTRAILS and planes leaving CHEMTRAILS.
show the pic then......

The only clinically insane people are the ones who dont have a memory of how the skies used to be in the 80's.
that'll be you then.

i was fascinated with vapour trails as a kid, on a summers day i'd stare at the sky for hours and watch planes leave a tiny trail of frozen vapour behind them.
me too, i remember them leaving big lingering trails too.

NOW we still get vapour trails, they haven't disappeared and a DISINFO agent cant pull the wool over the eyes of inquisitive people on this site, so why bother even coming on here to try.
they don't, it's your paranoia

WE KNOW these are not vapour trails,
how? prove it.
if you search through all the posts on this forum you'll find scientific studies and reports from certain govs admitting they spray CHEMTRAILS,
yes, but all day, nearly every day, globally, orchestrated, from secret bases, coz no one ever sees then take off or land?? do yourself a favour....

so WHY bother trying to convince the more awake people that we are wrong.
wrong about what? i'm merely presenting scientific fact, and a few of my own beliefs. you, on the other hand, merely present your opinion with nothing to back it up.

I hope you are paid well to spread disinfo,
if only.

you are selling your soul and your true self wouldn't be happy that you are reperesnting a group of money obsessed possesed families attacking mother earth and it's people.

WAKE UP!
attacking? with water vapour? you really are a sad paranoid nutter, or is it only you lot who can call people names, us 'truthers' mustn't in case it upsets the little poppets.

sukyspook

28-11-2009, 06:35 PM

Could what Phil Valentine is talking about in the first half of this video have something to do with chemtrails??:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsXwsDYjFaw&feature=PlayList&p=05A516073DD4D37B&index=45&playnext=5&playnext_from=PL

banjoreality

28-11-2009, 08:16 PM

eternal wheel

28-11-2009, 09:36 PM

are banjoreality, sukyspook, indianinthemachine and aejor mn all the same person?? :p

anthony1965

29-11-2009, 10:09 AM

FUZZY LOGIC, MARPAT AND ETERNAL WHEEL, is it me or is it all the same intel agent, anyone else recognize the posting style?:rolleyes: the only thing I wonder: is anthony 65 and anthony 1965 the same agent (ie marpat, eternal wheel, anthony 65 and anthony 1965?)

anthony65 and anthony1965 is the same person. Quite simple.

Agent? :confused:

What have I written to merit the title?

Am I marpat /eternal wheel? :confused:

eternal wheel

29-11-2009, 10:11 AM

Am I marpat /eternal wheel? :confused:

apparently.

:D:D:rolleyes:

anthony1965

29-11-2009, 10:23 AM

apparently.

:D:D:rolleyes:

No I'm not! :mad:

And I can prove it!

What's my favourite beer? :cool:

anthony1965

29-11-2009, 10:43 AM

I wasn't a kid during the second world war, but vapour trails were doing just that back then...

http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/1940sairforcepictorial.jpg

There is plenty of photographic evidence of persistent contrails before the 80s.

You are asking why something you say didn't exist didn't do something. But they did exist, therefore they were, if you happened to see one.

Like this you mean... ?

http://contrailscience.com/images/2planes1contrail.jpg

The reason for the different trails is different engines.

Romantic, but irrelevant. Just cos you didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't exist. Again, persistent contrails existed. Plenty of photographic evidence.

How will you change your opinion on your childhood memories if you accept that these trails existed back then?

How very open minded of you.

Et tu, Brute.

Are you saying that because there are photos of persistent contrails from massive bomber raids in WW2 that we must rule out the possibility of an orchestrated spraying of our skies? Despite the documents that show that this very possibility has been discussed and presented as a component of geoengineering.

Do you accept that weather modification is a fact?

Do you accept weather warfare as a fact?

You mentioned the photos from WW2. Did you ever read of the German weather troops up in the arctic? Various allied troops were chasing them. The Germans had a phenomenal forecasting rate. Because they guessed right? Or because they were making the weather? Compare tesla towers to TV towers, mobile phone towers, ionispheric heaters...

Tesla was able to generate artificial lightning nearly one hundred years ago. What progress has been made since then?

None?

anthony1965

29-11-2009, 10:50 AM

Banjo...

Here are some threads I created as Anthony65...

Here are some interesting threads related to weather modification...

Where do you see disinfo in them?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59981

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65014

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50547

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50412

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49167

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49166

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64112

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60762

eternal wheel

29-11-2009, 02:17 PM

Are you saying that because there are photos of persistent contrails from massive bomber raids in WW2 that we must rule out the possibility of an orchestrated spraying of our skies? Despite the documents that show that this very possibility has been discussed and presented as a component of geoengineering.

Do you accept that weather modification is a fact?

Do you accept weather warfare as a fact?

You mentioned the photos from WW2. Did you ever read of the German weather troops up in the arctic? Various allied troops were chasing them. The Germans had a phenomenal forecasting rate. Because they guessed right? Or because they were making the weather? Compare tesla towers to TV towers, mobile phone towers, ionispheric heaters...

Tesla was able to generate artificial lightning nearly one hundred years ago. What progress has been made since then?

None?

all good and relevant points.

weather mod? yes.
weather war? yes.

does this mean every vapour trail is a chemtrail? no.
does this mean civil aviation is chemtrailing knowingly/unknowingly? no.
is there rare black ops/military chemtrailing/ yes.

eternal wheel

29-11-2009, 02:19 PM

Banjo...

Here are some threads I created as Anthony65...

Here are some interesting threads related to weather modification...

Where do you see disinfo in them?

you're wasting your time, m8.
if you don't agree that every trail is a chemtrail, you'll get called silly names.

lw71

29-11-2009, 05:15 PM

you're wasting your time, m8.
if you don't agree that every trail is a chemtrail, you'll get called silly names.

I don't think that's true at all but they are occurring far more regularly than you seem to realise.

eternal wheel

29-11-2009, 05:51 PM

I don't think that's true at all but they are occurring far more regularly than you seem to realise.

and a lot less frequently than you seem to think.

it'll be interesting to see where abouts in the 'grey area' between us the truth actually is, if/when we ever find it out.;)

sukyspook

29-11-2009, 06:53 PM

8' 25" - what a pity Phil didn't get the chance to expand on chemtrails there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alwow9--TZ4&feature=PlayList&p=05A516073DD4D37B&index=48

3' 58" chemtrails and "consciousness suppression"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lm37zrcHLA&feature=PlayList&p=05A516073DD4D37B&index=51&playnext=11&playnext_from=PL

I'm about to finish watching this series when I'll go back and watch it again. For those who are receptive to hearing alternative views, I highly recommend this and any other series with Phil Valentine.

anthony1965

30-11-2009, 09:34 AM

all good and relevant points.

weather mod? yes.
weather war? yes.

does this mean every vapour trail is a chemtrail? no.
does this mean civil aviation is chemtrailing knowingly/unknowingly? no.
is there rare black ops/military chemtrailing/ yes.

As lw71 observed, I think there is a difference of opinion as to how much chemtrailing is taking place and the exact nature of it, but I welcome the opportunity to debate the topic in a civilized fashion. Often the skeptics provide the incentive to go and research more about these and related issues.

I hope to find time to read through the relevant links and documents once again and see what stands out for me this time round.

** In my opinion it is not necessary to know all of the background to chemtrails, weather modification etc. to know that "summat's up". Regular observation of the skies in the past few years is enough to know that something is very wrong. And anyone who has gifted towers / antennas with orgonite will be able to add even more visual confirmations. Let the skeptics scoff, but trust in your own observations and take note of the confirmations of others.

It's very interesting to find so many confirmations that show again and again that weather modification in many forms has existed for decades (or longer... ;), yet it is not considered at all in the debate on global warming / climate change. Which is more than bizarre.

And I strongly believe that the messing around with "electrickery" (how did catweazle put it?) over the past century or so has more behind it than just rainmaking and fake lightning as its goals.

Cue Nikola Tesla, Wilhelm Reich and many, many more.

But that's another story... ;)

tzlr_17

30-11-2009, 02:56 PM

Fresh from Marracech:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/op_timus/4145392328/sizes/l/in/set-72157622901044120/

View large to see them in all their hideous glory!

eternal wheel

30-11-2009, 06:04 PM

coca cola adverts?? i know, disgusting, isn't it.

wot?

oh, the vapour trails.

bringing mind control to the morroccans. :rolleyes:

pureheart

01-12-2009, 09:42 AM

Fresh from Marracech:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/op_timus/4145392328/sizes/l/in/set-72157622901044120/

View large to see them in all their hideous glory!

There are lots of big fat ugly trails over the south of England today.

sukyspook

01-12-2009, 10:41 AM

There are lots of big fat ugly trails over the south of England today.

Nottingham has been under attack since dawn this morning (and there were 'night trails' last night too). The sky was/is very still and cold so I realise that any trails would hang around....but that doesn't explain the trails spreading to form yet another 'cloud base'.

pureheart

01-12-2009, 10:48 AM

Nottingham has been under attack since dawn this morning (and there were 'night trails' last night too). The sky was/is very still and cold so I realise that any trails would hang around....but that doesn't explain the trails spreading to form yet another 'cloud base'.

It's the same here. One side of the sky has big fat trails and the other is just white, like thin layers of cotton wool.

lw71

01-12-2009, 04:53 PM

Same on the SE coast - spraying all day.

eternal wheel

01-12-2009, 07:30 PM

Nottingham has been under attack

if they really are spraying chemicals into the air high over nottingham, you should be safe. with todays winds, it'll all land near hamburg......:rolleyes:

sukyspook

01-12-2009, 08:11 PM

I just posted some pics on this thread that I took earlier today.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93544&page=3

tzlr_17

02-12-2009, 03:00 PM

Nottingham has been under attack since dawn this morning (and there were 'night trails' last night too). The sky was/is very still and cold so I realise that any trails would hang around....but that doesn't explain the trails spreading to form yet another 'cloud base'.

Stumbled across this today:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/melodysparks/4152997598/

sukyspook

08-12-2009, 12:11 PM

I'm just listening to Bobby Hemmitt who mentions chemtrails from time to time. He just mentioned them again and a film to watch about them called 'Toxic Skies' which I followed up and here are the trailer and p1 of the film:

Toxic Skies Trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGNRvWMRuPU

Toxic Skies movie p1/9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an5kkM5jfIg

If anyone is interested in hearing the agenda from the black pov - particularly spiritual but linked to events in the 'physical', then I highly recommend Bobby Hemmitt:

Parts 1 and 2 of: "The Power of Mythology" can be found at the top of the list here - 26th Nov 09 and last night, 8th Dec 09:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ugrailroadradio

loopy2222

08-12-2009, 02:49 PM

lw71

08-12-2009, 04:53 PM

Its happening in Wigan too!

I wished I had my camera with me this morning driving to work. The sky was clear except for hundreds of chemtrails. The difference was amazing as a 'real' plane flew by and the contrail disappeared behind it but all of the others remained and started spreading out.

I had been wondering why my throat felt blockled this morning but now I know :rolleyes:

Lots of spraying in the SE corner today. What started off as a lovely blue sky morning was soon dealt with by the sprayplanes. At times 5 - 7 laying trails simultaneously, parallel & criss-cross lines in an area that is not on a major flightpath. By midday they had completely obscured the sun with a dirty haze.

eternal wheel

08-12-2009, 06:59 PM

Its happening in Wigan too!

I wished I had my camera with me this morning driving to work. The sky was clear except for hundreds of chemtrails. The difference was amazing as a 'real' plane flew by and the contrail disappeared behind it but all of the others remained and started spreading out.

I had been wondering why my throat felt blockled this morning but now I know :rolleyes:

how can they be affecting your throat, when by your own admission, the trails are still thousands of feet up??

loopy2222

09-12-2009, 11:06 AM

how can they be affecting your throat, when by your own admission, the trails are still thousands of feet up??

Perhaps they had been spraying for a while. Obviously I wasn't saying that these were the only trails in the Wigan sky.

sukyspook

09-12-2009, 11:58 AM

Nottingham is "under heavy attack" again today, Weds 9th as it was yesterday - all day....sigh....whoever/whatever/whyever - it's not clever and it really can't be good for anyone - other than those with the will to dominate and destroy anything 'good' for a quick gazillion bucks...

willys girl

09-12-2009, 02:05 PM

London hammered today also look at the first post people are posting in their observations.

sukyspook

06-02-2010, 07:27 PM

Andrew Johnson - Chemtrails, Weather Modification & Climate Change
February 2, 2010

In recent years, the issues of supposed 'Climate Change' and 'Global Warming' have been thrust upon us from all directions. The weather is important to us all, so we should look carefully at the skies, and we should avail ourselves of some facts. Is someone modifying the weather? Can it be true that so many people are blind to something being done in 'plain sight'?
Andrew Johnson is behind the website checktheevidence.com and joins us to discuss Chemtrails, weather modification and climate change in our first hour. Topics Discussed: The Origins of the Website, Aircraft Grid, Chemtrails, Contrails, Persistent Jet Trails, Clifford Carnicom, HAARP, Morgellons Disease, Discovery Channel documentary on Chemtrails, Where are the whistleblowers or pilots speaking out? Geo-Engineering, Global Dimming, Weather Modification, FOIA in the UK, Traffic over 15000 feet, Circular Chemtrails, Azores, HAARP, ELF, Tetra System, Energy, Health Effects, EISCAT, Environment Effects, Chemtrails only one part of a bigger program and more. Make sure you join us for a very exciting second hour for Red Ice Members with Andrew Johnson.
We begin to talk about weather modification, but we'll take this into another arena pretty quickly and begin to discuss Hurricane Erin and some of the anomalies that happened on the morning of 9/11. This will take us into the area of Directed Energy Weapons - this is where 9/11 research and weather modification connects. Was the World Trade Center buildings destroyed by some kind of Energy Weapon, well we'll discuss some of this evidence with everything from strange bent metal to people reported to have been levitating close by. We talk about Thermite, Controlled Demolition, and the interesting connections of Professor Stephen E. Jones and towards the end we even tie in Crop Circle research and point to the similar effects. You don't want to miss our second hour with Andrew Johnson!

Hr 1

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/02feb/RIR-100202-ajohnson.mp3

Hr 2

Andrew Johnson - Directed Energy Weapon, 9/11, WTC & Weather Modification
February 2, 2010
Make sure you join us for a very exciting second hour for Red Ice Members with Andrew Johnson. We begin to talk about weather modification, but we'll take this into another arena pretty quickly and begin to discuss Hurricane Erin and some of the anomalies that happened on the morning of 9/11.

This will take us into the area of Directed Energy Weapons - this is where 9/11 research and weather modification connects. Was the World Trade Center buildings destroyed by some kind of Energy Weapon? We discuss some of the evidence for this, with everything from strange bent metal to people who have been reported to levitate close to the towers before they came down.
We talk about Thermite, Controlled Demolition and the interesting connections of Professor Stephen E. Jones. Towards the end we even tie in Crop Circle research and point to similarities with WTC and the Iron Spheres. You don't want to miss our second hour with Andrew Johnson! Topics Discussed: Chemtrails on a HR bill introduced by Dennis Kucinich, UK Population subjected to Zinc Cadmium spraying in the 50s, Bioweapon, Weather Modification, Defense William Cohen Admits to Eco-Terrorism, Judy Wood, Hurricane Erin, Molten Metal in the Base of the WTC collapsed Buildings, Scalar Weapons, Bankers Trust Building in New York, David Hansher, No planes showing up on photos, John Hutchison, Field Interference, Dresden, Anomalies Energy Weapon, Thermite, Controlled Demolition, Stephen E. Jones, Cold Fusion, NIST (National Institute for Standards and Technology), Energy Researchers Murdered, Similarities with the Oklahoma City Bomings and the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Minneta, John Alexander, James Randi, Crop Circles, Pat Delgado, Colin Andrews, BLT Research, Levity, Iron Spheres and more. Listen to the first hour h

Hr 2

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/02feb/RIR-100202-ajohnson4k6-SUB.mp3