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boots
14-04-2010, 07:01 AM
Um.....are you sure 'bout that?

:D


Weishaupt wrote: "The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment, let it never appear, in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation. None is fitter than the three lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it." He also wrote: "For the Order wishes to be secret, and to work in silence, for thus it is better secured from the oppression of the ruling powers, and because this secrecy gives a greater zest to the whole."

Adam Weishaupt,

"Behold our secret: If in order to destroy Christianity, all religion, we have pretended to have the sole true religion, remember that the end justifies the means, and the wise ought to take all the means to do good which the wicked take to do evil. This can be done in no other way but by secret associations, which will by degrees, and in silence, possess themselves of the government of the States, and make use of these means for this purpose which the wicked use for attaining base ends. The express aim of this order was to abolish Christianity, and overthrow all civil governments." (Adam Weishaupt, May 1st 1776.)


The UN will be head of the NWO all countries will be subservient to it and the freemasons will be the secret society that was instrumental in it's formation.

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thelonious
14-04-2010, 01:46 PM
boots, that's all very interesting (well, at least sorta). But it has nothing to do with my question to LG, where he referenced a non-existant line in Morals and Dogma.

And just for the record, the Weishaupt quote you gave is also fake. It was the Catholic Church who falsely charged the Illuminati with wanting to "destry" Christianity. This fake claim was based upon the fact that the Illuminati sought to establish freedom of religion (which the Christians have always seen as a threat).

rodin
14-04-2010, 01:58 PM
Interesting image I saw on a parallel thread - for reference

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee60/thelucifer_rp/img1E.jpg

rodin
23-04-2010, 01:05 PM
According to OP article Freemasonry as we know it started in 1717. The lodge was initially going to be called the Jerusalem Lodge.

I record here

The Jerusalem Lodge in which Irving had been initiated was one of London’s oldest and most prestigious. It had been founded in 1771

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=jerusalem+lodge+was+the+first+private +masonic+lodge+in+england&d=5001571105308780&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-GB&w=ae446b22,4da7035b

FTR

rodin
22-07-2010, 10:31 AM
With regard to The Mysterious Force and their faked provenance, i found this snippet of information interesting

Racial lineage dating back to any of the tribes of Israel was forever destroyed when the genealogical tablets were destroyed with the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/prologue_to_the_union_jack.htm#world evangelism

grandsecretary
22-07-2010, 12:41 PM
I suggest that you take a look at the thread Pyramid Artefact. 1717 was, as a matter of fact, a very recent break from the ancient religious foundations of Masonic philosophy. The secrets of genuine Free Masonrie were left behind with their rightful possessors.

rodin
22-07-2010, 01:22 PM
I suggest that you take a look at the thread Pyramid Artefact. 1717 was, as a matter of fact, a very recent break from the ancient religious foundations of Masonic philosophy. The secrets of genuine Free Masonrie were left behind with their rightful possessors.

I will look for it. But you are correct - moderns Free Masonry is theft and adulteration of a brand. This is explained I think in 'Dissipation of the Darkness' unless my memory serves me ill

As for Free Masonrie - is it a Christian organisation (I don't mean establishment I mean Christ-following)

oh - and welcome back

grandsecretary
22-07-2010, 01:47 PM
rodin, I hope you do not mind my saying that in my opinion you are a very thoughtful and observant individual. You always consider what you post.

What I am directing you towards is a quite profound insight into the universal religion that massively pre-dated Christianity and is the basis of all modern religions that believe in God, the immortality of souls and "The Coming of the Son of The Creator".

To term Free Masonrie as "Christian" is a misunderstanding of our ancient heritage and the universality of our Masonic religion whereby Jews, Muslims and Christiand are all equal in the sight of God. Christianity too is a very modern concept. Life and religion existed for many thousands of years before the Christian Era.

You are quite right when you confirm that the Moderns system of what is no more than a club for "social networking" has NO connection whatsoever with what preceeded it. It tried, and still tries, to replace the universal religion by replacing Free Masonrie itself with a false prospectus. It usurped the name and attacks its essential philosophy.

moon monkey
22-07-2010, 03:58 PM
rodin, I hope you do not mind my saying that in my opinion you are a very thoughtful and observant individual. You always consider what you post.

What I am directing you towards is a quite profound insight into the universal religion that massively pre-dated Christianity and is the basis of all modern religions that believe in God, the immortality of souls and "The Coming of the Son of The Creator".

To term Free Masonrie as "Christian" is a misunderstanding of our ancient heritage and the universality of our Masonic religion whereby Jews, Muslims and Christiand are all equal in the sight of God. Christianity too is a very modern concept. Life and religion existed for many thousands of years before the Christian Era.

You are quite right when you confirm that the Moderns system of what is no more than a club for "social networking" has NO connection whatsoever with what preceeded it. It tried, and still tries, to replace the universal religion by replacing Free Masonrie itself with a false prospectus. It usurped the name and attacks its essential philosophy.

The ancient belief systems that you mention Peter, are you referring to "The Shining Ones".

grandsecretary
22-07-2010, 04:23 PM
The peoples that I refer to are entirely human. The Shining Ones, as I understand, is a theory about another type of bi-pedal beings that existed before the existence of light.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

moon monkey
22-07-2010, 04:50 PM
The peoples that I refer to are entirely human. The Shining Ones, as I understand, is a theory about another type of bi-pedal beings that existed before the existence of light.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

I am currently reading this book:

The Shining Ones: The World's Most Powerful Secret Society Revealed: Amazon.co.uk: Philip Gardiner, Gary Osborn: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518Z55KQ2WL.@@AMEPARAM@@518Z55KQ2WL

It examines pre Christian belief systems and it's symbolism. Your earlier comments rang a few bells as it were.

Additional information from the co-author:

http://garyosborn.moonfruit.com/#/articles/4516009545

grandsecretary
22-07-2010, 04:53 PM
Thank you.

rodin
22-07-2010, 09:24 PM
rodin, I hope you do not mind my saying that in my opinion you are a very thoughtful and observant individual. You always consider what you post.

Insults like that I can take :D

Now I know you consider the Christ to be the Son of God. My next question is - the only one?

grandsecretary
22-07-2010, 10:18 PM
The only one that I know about, so far.

rodin
22-07-2010, 10:49 PM
The only one that I know about, so far.

hhmm... so your Paganism - did it have a Monotheistic God? And is this the same God the Christians and Muslims fiollow? Actually - why don't you volunteer more detail rather than me just cross examine? Speed things up a bit...

scorpio
22-07-2010, 10:55 PM
hhmm... so your Paganism - did it have a Monotheistic God? And is this the same God the Christians and Muslims fiollow? Actually - why don't you volunteer more detail rather than me just cross examine? Speed things up a bit...

Are you in a hurray?:)
As a regular'modern Freemason' we take a very long time to do things:D
I have been a Freemason for 20 years and in masonic terms I am still regarded as being a youngster. There are many Freemasons with 40 years service and above. It may be that we live longer as Freemasons and have more time to debate things:):D

I suggest that you ask for detailed replies in future from GS
regards
Gerard the young Freemason

grandsecretary
22-07-2010, 11:17 PM
hhmm... so your Paganism - did it have a Monotheistic God? And is this the same God the Christians and Muslims fiollow? Actually - why don't you volunteer more detail rather than me just cross examine? Speed things up a bit...

I will decide what information I volunteer and I do not react well to people trying to make demands.

What I can tell you is that our religion includes Chrisitians, Muslims and Jews. The key elements of our religion is a belief in God (one and the same God) and the immortality of the human soul. That has been so since time immemorial. ALL of these religions are very new. Brands A B and X.

Oh, PS: Please do not attempt to attribute and slip words like "Paganism" under the wire. If I wish to use the word, I shall.

flyermay
22-07-2010, 11:22 PM
It may be that we live longer as Freemasons and have more time to debate things:):D

What do freemasons debate so much about; is it something juicy like politics or religion? :)

scorpio
22-07-2010, 11:35 PM
What do freemasons debate so much about; is it something juicy like politics or religion? :)

In my form of Freemasonry we do degree work and at the end of the degree we sit down and have a meal. In some masonic orders we have people who sing songs and play music. A very civilised way of spending an evening:)
regards
Gerard
PS There is always numerous toasts made during the meal to members of the order and the candidate, particularly in the English Constitution

grandsecretary
22-07-2010, 11:35 PM
What do freemasons debate so much about; is it something juicy like politics or religion? :)

Well that too is a profound question. The Moderns system was devised in order to stop men from being involved in active politics and denominational religion in favour of strict Hanoverian hegemony and control. Within the Moderns sytem debate about all aspects of politics and religion are BANNED. Best left to The Grand Master in his private meeting with Her Majesty.

The Grand Lodge of All England encourages its members to take a full and active part in all aspects of life, especially, democratic politics and religion.

You cannot exert any measure of influence or control over your own short life on this earth, as a free human being, without full and active involvement in all aspects that intervene and interfere with your rights and freedoms.

flyermay
23-07-2010, 12:52 AM
Well that too is a profound question. The Moderns system was devised in order to stop men from being involved in active politics and denominational religion in favour of strict Hanoverian hegemony and control. Within the Moderns sytem debate about all aspects of politics and religion are BANNED. Best left to The Grand Master in his private meeting with Her Majesty.

The Grand Lodge of All England encourages its members to take a full and active part in all aspects of life, especially, democratic politics and religion.

You cannot exert any measure of influence or control over your own short life on this earth, as a free human being, without full and active involvement in all aspects that intervene and interfere with your rights and freedoms.

I'm really interested in this part (also on the meetings between the GM and HM, but I guess nobody knows what they talk about :)). Do you know when and how did the Hanovers infiltrate English freemasonry?

grandsecretary
23-07-2010, 01:10 AM
I'm really interested in this part (also on the meetings between the GM and HM, but I guess nobody knows what they talk about :)). Do you know when and how did the Hanovers infiltrate English freemasonry?

I wrote this article about a year ago:

HANOVERIANS AND THE ENLIGHTENMENT

During the 18th century, conceptions, both religious and political, were built upon the scientific advances of the previous century; advances made possible by the work of Newton, Descartes and others. These advances increasingly challenged and indeed were focused upon authoritarian beliefs in religion and politics. Voltaire, especially, attacked religion as characterised by the Catholic Church.

Notions of individual liberty and equality paved the way for the new or rational philosophies which affected both religion and politics. These notions were "revolutionary" within France, England, and America in the sense that there was a step change in the way in which "authorities" were considered.

Neither governments nor the Papacy could any longer rely solely upon a claim of Divine inauguration to prevent the criticism directed at them through the notions earlier ascribed to the Age of Reason.

Enlightenment thinking is not a question of whether one simply believes or disbelieves in Deity, of course not. It was also to do with the authoritarianism of institutions and their claim for an uncriticisable line of authority.

Consider for a moment the religious beliefs of a 17th century group such as the Fifth Monarchy Men. Many religious persuasions were either individual or democratic.

The point is, the Catholic Church was neither, and therefore Enlightenment thought challenged the very constitutional basis of the hirearchy without even needing to simply challenge the notion of God.

However, and this is why it is important here, the schism in Freemasonry between the Moderns system and the original religious based traditional Free Masonrie of York derives not from a thoughtful understanding of the issues involved, but the determination of the Hanoverians to ensure that in matters of both politics and religion they reigned supreme.

The reason for the Hanoverian appropriation of Moderns Freemasonry in 1813, represented not a triumph of Enlightenment thought, but on the contrary a reversion to the tyrannical abuses so often represented in authoritarian structures, together with a determination to exclude the Christian Deity from the rituals and ordinances of their lodges.

Moderns Freemasonry can clearly be seen as moves towards the authoritarian approach so disliked and condemned by thinkers such as Newton, Descartes, and Voltaire and at the same time to ensure that they eradicated any challenges to their religious and political monopoly by banning the discussion of both politics and religion. Why? Because they strongly suspected the involvement of traditional religious Free Masonrie in the political crises of France and of America.

The traditional Anglo-Saxon Lodges were totally different to the politically neutered and intellectually sterile Moderns lodges of today in that politics, religion, science and indeed all intellectual pursuits were available for discussion, in complete secrecy and safety, in the interests of furthering knowledge and advancing mankind.

Moderns Freemasonry suffers from the propaganda so skilfully used by authoritarians who sought and seek to conceal their true nature by falsely claiming to be inheritors of Enlightenment thought where, in reality, they have sought to destroy those principles of religion, and liberty.

Free thinking and Moderns Freemasonry are diametrically opposed, as are the Christian Religion and Moderns Freemasonry.

How can one possibly claim to be "a product of the Enlightenment" or indeed an individual free thinker and yet accept the intellectual strait jacket imposed by all Moderns Grand Lodges throughout the world?

flyermay
23-07-2010, 01:14 AM
I wrote this article about a year ago:

Great, thanks.

rodin
23-07-2010, 11:45 AM
I will decide what information I volunteer and I do not react well to people trying to make demands.

What I can tell you is that our religion includes Chrisitians, Muslims and Jews. The key elements of our religion is a belief in God (one and the same God) and the immortality of the human soul. That has been so since time immemorial. ALL of these religions are very new. Brands A B and X.

Oh, PS: Please do not attempt to attribute and slip words like "Paganism" under the wire. If I wish to use the word, I shall.

Now now no need to get touchy. After all the word was volunteer.

Much earlier in time and position on this thread I thought you made a reference to a Pagan heritage. Forgive me if I remember incorrectly.

I read the piece above with approval. However are we so sure the Hanoverians usurped Moderns? Seems more likely to me they were invited in as part of a long term plan. For if there was a 'Mysterious Force' behind 1717 then the Sanhedrin were surely involved. The architectural similarity of moderns lodges and Jewish synagogues is obvious, as are the artifacts inside.

So we have to look at the history of the emergence of Moderns Freemasonry and see how it sits with other key dates in the conspiracy

1517 Martin Luther kicks off Protestantism - who was behind him? See his deathbed confessions to find out.

Early 1600's century Dutch Jews use finance and intrigue to invade England

Oliver Cromwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia #

Towards the end of that century they established the Bank of England - the central bank of the UK.

1717 the first Freemasonic Temple was established - the Jerusalem Lodge - name soon changed to something less overtly revealing of its foundations

In the late 1700's the Rothschild dynasty emerges and swiftly takes over control of money supply in 5 European countries.

It is well documented that Rothschild took much tighter control of the UK economy right after the Battle of Waterloo

The basis for the Rothschild fortune was laid during the latter stages of the Napoleonic Wars. From 1813 to 1815, Nathan Mayer Rothschild in London was instrumental in the financing of the British war effort, handling the shipment of bullion to the Duke of Wellington's army in Portugal and Spain, as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their Continental allies. Through the commissions earned on these transactions, the Rothschild fortune grew enormously.

The four brothers helped co-ordinate activities across the continent, and the family developed a network of agents, shippers and couriers to transport gold – and information – across Europe. This private intelligence service enabled Nathan to receive in London the news of Wellington's victory at the Battle of Waterloo a full day ahead of the government's official messengers.[2]

Nathan Mayer Rothschild had set up his London business, N. M. Rothschild and Sons in 1811 at New Court in St Swithin's Lane, City of London, where it trades today. In 1818 he arranged a £5 million loan to the Prussian government and the issuing of bonds for government loans formed a mainstay of his bank’s business. He gained a position of such power in the City of London that by 1825–6 he was able to supply enough coin to the Bank of England to enable it to avert a liquidity crisis.

http://www.theforumsite.com/forum/topic/Rothschild-Bought-Britain-During-the-Battle-of-Waterloo/191792

So 2 years after Nathan set up shop in the UK the Hanoverians 'take over' Freemasonry?

Now I do not know nearly enough about the Guelph/Hanover/Battenburg axis but I do know they have connections with Weishaupt's Bavaria.

Moving along I note Prince Philip was close to the Rothschilds in Greece, but more telling I think....

http://198.164.154.3/~Heritage/royal/Images/edward.jpghttp://www.newton.ac.uk/art/rothschild.jpg

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/freemasons_duke_kent.jpghttp://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/couple-blue-shirt-490.jpg

I917 - The Jewish led Russian Revolution and the Balfour Declaration launch communism and Zionism onto an unsuspecting world within a week or 2 of each other - under, as we say, the Sign of the Scorpion.

rodin
23-07-2010, 11:59 AM
At this stage in the proceedings serious students may want to familiarise themselves with the ideas and information in this work - about British Israel

It seeks to discredit certain books I currently regard as probably authentic, and so may be disinfo wrapped in info. It does not seem to make the connection between the British Empire and Cromwell-Rothschild. Nevertheless it has value.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/britishisraelhiddenhand10jul05.shtml

I mean, look at this photo for an encapsulation of a conspiracy at work...

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/mandy-holiday-415x620.jpg

'This is London' right enough...

grandsecretary
23-07-2010, 03:14 PM
rodin, I stand by every word of my article. I would not have written it unless there was overwhelming evidence to support it. Yet I am NOT one of those people who say, that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. History is a constant search for truth. There are many factors involved, but in this instance I am pretty sure that my conclusion is robust.

I see your point. Yes, the Culdees, or Celtic Christians did convert Druids to Christianity. The Druids were Pagan, not the Culdees, although they did retain Druidic traditions which aided men like St Columba of Iona and St Patrick of Armagh in the conversion process.

grandsecretary
23-07-2010, 03:20 PM
I mean, look at this photo for an encapsulation of a conspiracy at work...

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/mandy-holiday-415x620.jpg

'This is London' right enough...

Money is involved, of that I have NO doubt. How could any intelligent person have actually voted for Mandelson with everything that was known about him? Now it's too late. He is Baron Mandelson, comfortably seated in the House of Lords for the rest of his sullied life.

The General Public has responsibilities too. It is not just "their" fault.

scorpio
23-07-2010, 06:51 PM
Now now no need to get touchy. After all the word was volunteer.

Much earlier in time and position on this thread I thought you made a reference to a Pagan heritage. Forgive me if I remember incorrectly.

I read the piece above with approval. However are we so sure the Hanoverians usurped Moderns? Seems more likely to me they were invited in as part of a long term plan. For if there was a 'Mysterious Force' behind 1717 then the Sanhedrin were surely involved. The architectural similarity of moderns lodges and Jewish synagogues is obvious, as are the artifacts inside.

So we have to look at the history of the emergence of Moderns Freemasonry and see how it sits with other key dates in the conspiracy

1517 Martin Luther kicks off Protestantism - who was behind him? See his deathbed confessions to find out.

Early 1600's century Dutch Jews use finance and intrigue to invade England

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_cromwell #

Towards the end of that century they established the Bank of England - the central bank of the UK.

1717 the first Freemasonic Temple was established - the Jerusalem Lodge - name soon changed to something less overtly revealing of its foundations

In the late 1700's the Rothschild dynasty emerges and swiftly takes over control of money supply in 5 European countries.

It is well documented that Rothschild took much tighter control of the UK economy right after the Battle of Waterloo



http://www.theforumsite.com/forum/topic/Rothschild-Bought-Britain-During-the-Battle-of-Waterloo/191792

So 2 years after Nathan set up shop in the UK the Hanoverians 'take over' Freemasonry?

Now I do not know nearly enough about the Guelph/Hanover/Battenburg axis but I do know they have connections with Weishaupt's Bavaria.

Moving along I note Prince Philip was close to the Rothschilds in Greece, but more telling I think....

http://198.164.154.3/~Heritage/royal/Images/edward.jpghttp://www.newton.ac.uk/art/rothschild.jpg

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/freemasons_duke_kent.jpghttp://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/couple-blue-shirt-490.jpg

I917 - The Jewish led Russian Revolution and the Balfour Declaration launch communism and Zionism onto an unsuspecting world within a week or 2 of each other - under, as we say, the Sign of the Scorpion.
Can you elaborate what you mean when you use the words:" the sign of Scorpio". I happen to be born under this sign.
regards
Gerard

rodin
23-07-2010, 10:22 PM
Can you elaborate what you mean when you use the words:" the sign of Scorpio". I happen to be born under this sign.
regards
Gerard

That is not the most substantive part of the post. Juri Lina pointed out many 'events' occur Under the Sign of the Scorpion

he also of course wrote

http://www.eaec.org/bookstore/books/architects_of_deception.htm

kadosh
24-07-2010, 10:20 AM
...... The Grand Lodge of All England encourages its members to take a full and active part in all aspects of life, especially, democratic politics and religion.

You cannot exert any measure of influence or control over your own short life on this earth, as a free human being, without full and active involvement in all aspects that intervene and interfere with your rights and freedoms.
Interesting reply. I assume this is done in the capacity of a private individual as a member of society and not in ones capacity as a Free Mason.

grandsecretary
24-07-2010, 12:43 PM
The essential difference Kadosh is that we openly discuss, debate and encourage our members to get involved in the vital political issues of the day. You cannot separate true Free Masonrie from every aspect of life.

rodin
25-07-2010, 09:48 AM
re The Hanoverian take-over

Bird Man (RIP) wrote

1717 George I, the Hanoverian King of England, establishes the Grand Lodge of St. John (the Pretender), of which the British Crown is to be the titular head. This completes the conquest of the British Throne by the money powers.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-National&InternationalConspiracy&NWO/JewishConquest-AmericanTimeline.htm

comments?

grandsecretary
26-07-2010, 01:07 PM
This lodge was the precursor to the takeover on Mother Lodge Kilwinning in Scotland which was loyal to the Stuart crown and who's ritual were Culdee in origin, known as The Rite of Harodim.

rodin
26-07-2010, 03:58 PM
In 1736, the Grand Lodge of Scotland was organised and the Kilwinning lodge was one of its constituent lodges. That same year, it petitioned to recognized as the oldest lodge in Scotland. However, as has happened so many times over Freemasonry's long history, the lodge's original records had been lost and the claim could not be proven. The petition was therefore rejected, wherefore Kilwinning seceded and again acted as a grand lodge, organising lodges in Scotland and on the continent, as well as in Virginia and Ireland. In 1807 Kilwinning "came once more into the bosom of the Grand Loge, bringing with her all of her daughter Lodges."[3]

So it resisted a takeover but probably suffered collateral damage and deeper infiltration in 1736 and succumbed in 1807

Lodge Mother Kilwinning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note Wikipedia suggests that old and new Freemasonry are closely related.

How accurate is this...

http://www.joesulsterhistoryhomepage.abelgratis.co.uk/Index_files/Patrick.htm

...and what is the value of ritual? Truth needs no garment.

On one level Ritual to me is a version of the signs that gangs grafitti on bridges. A club badge.

On another level it may be a calling card for the supernatural - but only because the supernatural chooses to recognize it as such, not because signs have any intrinsic value beyond branding and the psychological impact of the imagery used.

grandsecretary
26-07-2010, 10:39 PM
I could not have put it more concisely myself rodin.

To answer you question about the place for ritual.

Rituals - ceremonies of birth, death, marriage, initiation, healing, harvest, or religious observance - are found in all known cultures, and appear to have been performed for tens of thousands of years. They speak to people's core emotions and reveal values that a society holds dearest. Because their expression is conventional and obligatory, they join the individual in solidarity with the group. As such, they are part of a society's "essential constitution". (SOURCE: "THE LEGAL FUNCTION OF RITUAL" by Geoffrey P. Miller, William T. Stuyvesant III Comfort Professor of Law at New York University)

kadosh
27-07-2010, 01:55 AM
The Lodges of Harodim, or Heredom, were the esoteric Brethren behind old freemasonry, thought to have evolved out of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood, or to have a similar Philosophy and concerns. The rite of the old Harodim eventually devolved in to what is now called the Royal Arch, and an echo of that Brotherhood can be found in the Masonic degrees of the Princes Rose Croix of Heredom (Ancient and Accepted Rite) and the Heredom of Kilwinning (The Royal Order of Scotland).

rodin
27-07-2010, 12:32 PM
I could not have put it more concisely myself rodin.

To answer you question about the place for ritual.

How can one seek truth yet agree to conform?

grandsecretary
27-07-2010, 01:48 PM
How can one seek truth yet agree to conform?

It depends on what you are conforming to. We conform to our religious beliefs, as a religious group.

Our ritual is nothing like the rituals used by the Moderns. You may be judging us from the knowledge that you do have about their rituals.

Our ritual is used simply to qualify and acknowledge the work that has been completed along the long road to the Masonic Priesthood. It takes about 10 years.

grandsecretary
27-07-2010, 01:56 PM
The Lodges of Harodim, or Heredom, were the esoteric Brethren behind old freemasonry, thought to have evolved out of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood, or to have a similar Philosophy and concerns. The rite of the old Harodim eventually devolved in to what is now called the Royal Arch, and an echo of that Brotherhood can be found in the Masonic degrees of the Princes Rose Croix of Heredom (Ancient and Accepted Rite) and the Heredom of Kilwinning (The Royal Order of Scotland).

The Order of Harodim (not Heredom) is the property of The Grand Lodge of All England. There are hereditary elements involved as well as ritual elements. Both are missing in the Moderns system.

The "Heredom" rituals used by the Moderns in their Lodges of Heredom may have some minor elements that are similar, but they are purely speculative or "symbolic". They do not conform in any way with the requirements for ordination to the Masonic Priesthood. Priesthood has certain obligations that it is impossible to perform without the knowledge and the religious authority that ordination provides.

stewart edwards
27-07-2010, 02:52 PM
The Order of Harodim (not Heredom) is the property of The Grand Lodge of All England. There are hereditary elements involved as well as ritual elements. Both are missing in the Moderns system.

The "Heredom" rituals used by the Moderns in their Lodges of Harodim may have some minor elements that are similar, but they are purely speculative or "symbolic". They do not conform in any way with the requirements for ordination to the Masonic Priesthood. Priesthood has certain obligations that it is impossible to perform without the knowledge and the religious authority that ordination provides.In which case I hope that your chairs are glinting and dusty:eek:

I have often wondered which orders chairs would be filled should a wanderer return. Political nightmare:D

rodin
04-08-2010, 01:00 PM
You know after all this time no Mason has come out and rubbished the document/book of the OP - Dissipation of the Darkness.

I look at the God of the Old Testament. I am horrified. This God is not a true Christian God - one whose Son preaches forgiveness. This is a vengeful Jewish God capable of carrying out horrors of suffering on underage precriminals in the interests of the tribe

As this thread developed I could see how The Mysterious Force possibly came to control Rome, and how they may well have corrupted Christianity as well as seen to it that the Romans persecuted Christians. They may eventually have formulated establishment Christianity - the sort that has Popes, confessions, Crusades and eventually the selling of indulgences.

thelonious
04-08-2010, 01:52 PM
You know after all this time no Mason has come out and rubbished the document/book of the OP - Dissipation of the Darkness.

I don't think it's necessary to. The story seems completely fictional, and flies in the face of actual history. There is no record of any such "association" of ancient Israelites. It's just a product of the author's imagination.

I look at the God of the Old Testament. I am horrified. This God is not a true Christian God - one whose Son preaches forgiveness. This is a vengeful Jewish God capable of carrying out horrors of suffering on underage precriminals in the interests of the tribe

Obviously, the Old Testament is a collection of legends written by a Bronze Age people that were not quite civilized. We see such stuff in the mythologies of other peoples in the ancient near east as well.

It should also be noted that, in the New Testament, while Jesus does indeed talk a lot about forgiveness, the "vengefulness" aspect of the Old Testament is still very much there.

luciferhorus
04-08-2010, 02:41 PM
I look at the God of the Old Testament. I am horrified..........This is a vengeful Jewish God capable of carrying out horrors of suffering on underage precriminals in the interests of the tribe.


http://www.luciferia.tv/animation/bible-verses.gif

Evil gods.

I think that any modern person unindoctrinated by religion would reach the same conclusion. The tribal god of the ancient Israelites is a complete bastard. Under his many laws, probably most of the population of the planet would be executed or subjected to mass genocide. This deity is simply a psychological projection of our ancient ancestors, just as the Masonic and Capitalist Christian deity is a psychological projection of a cult of evangelical Capitalists and anti-Communists.

Anyone who considers the Bible to be a codebook for human morality, and a "most sacred" book, worthy of use in the swearing of oaths, has either never read the contents, or is a victim of religious hypnosis, or genocidally insane and completely morally retarded.

This God is not a true Christian God - one whose Son preaches forgiveness.

Well the forgiving and "love your enemies" Jesus is based on a few selected passages, however the Israelite Jesus of the Gospels is also a rather wrathful figure. Many of his dialogues with his opponents include the form of curses ("Woe to you hypocrites, you brood of vipers," etc.) where he essentially condemns them to hell. Further to invoke the Israelite Messianic prophecies, which he allegedly did, is not merely a "spiritual" matter but a military and political matter, which is suggested also by the fact that the told his followers to buy swords.

One can hardly expect a Messianic Saviour king (of the Israelites) who defeats all the enemies of Israel and fulfills the Old Testament prophecies to be too forgiving, particularly considering the fact that their main imperial enemy was the most powerful and rather brutal nation on earth at that time.


As this thread developed I could see how The Mysterious Force possibly came to control Rome, and how they may well have corrupted Christianity as well as seen to it that the Romans persecuted Christians. They may eventually have formulated establishment Christianity - the sort that has Popes, confessions, Crusades and eventually the selling of indulgences.

Just to respond to the title of the thread "Origins of Freemasonry," as you are aware, that it can be established that modern UGLE Freemasonry was founded by a few drunks in a pub in 1717, just as the GLOE sect of Masonry was allegedly founded similarly a few years ago. However, at the highest levels of Freemasonry, it is allegedly a Christian organisation which claims to represent the legacy of the Christian Knight's Templars, which is why, to state the obvious, in their pantomime rituals, they go to great expense to aquire Knight's Templar's fancy dress.

http://www.knightstemplar.org/bios/dave.jpg

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=33294&dateline=1255293403

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/reaa30.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7E3hSvu-1YA/SyZnbSRnshI/AAAAAAAAAGg/1eMgEuMHlIA/S1600-R/Blogspot+main+2.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iBdXU-bTTR0/TBANlEjQUQI/AAAAAAAAB34/MyWkKGnrWwY/s1600/Billy+Koon3.JPG

The Evil of Christianity

You have argued that "dark forces" have corrupted Christianity. Unfortunately this is not exclusive to the modern day Knight's Templars' pantomine of Freemasonry; this is the general state of Christianity; the Templars are perhaps one of the most extreme cases of a group of assorted evangelical militant Capitalist, usuryist, state terrorist, narco-terrorist vermin masquerading behind the guise of Christianity and claiming to be sacred Christian knights, however they are certainly not alone in such hypocrisy; it is the general state of Christianity.

Israelite Messiah

If you consider the original alleged mentor of Christianity, he certainly demeaned non Israelites, referring to a Gentile (foreign) woman as a dog and telling his followers not to go into the towns and cities of the Gentiles. He clearly considered himself to be an Israelite Messiah. Christianity after his death however quickly turned into a phenomenon which had very little to do with him, apart from promoting him as an alternative "saviour diety" to competing Greek and Roman cults, eventually transforming into the Capitalist Christianity (despite his strictly anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist teachings)
of the economic and political elites whose history is rather well attested to.

Attempts to "reform" Christianity have essentially been attempts to start a different kind of Christianity, but never the less a Christianity which similarly has had very little in common with the original messianic Judaism of its founder.

Essentially in "economic" and "political" terms the closest modern Christian phenomenon to the positions take by Jesus are the liberation theology (Marxist Christianity) and Anarchist Christian movement. Apart from this the remainder of Christianity bears a great deal of similarlity to the Capitalist Christianity of Masonry.

Since you yourself Rodin generally express anti-Jewish, anti-Communist positions, I would suggest that you look elsewhere than the Israelite Communist Jesus for a religious mentor.

Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.

purplepebble
04-08-2010, 08:32 PM
Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.[/B]



True.

rodin
05-08-2010, 08:46 AM
Well the forgiving and "love your enemies" Jesus is based on a few selected passages, however the Israelite Jesus of the Gospels is also a rather wrathful figure. Many of his dialogues with his opponents include the form of curses ("Woe to you hypocrites, you brood of vipers," etc.) where he essentially condemns them to hell.

The nature of Hell I an sure is not some fiery pit. Nevertheless I agree with Him that the unrepentant wilfully evil should be circumscribed

Further to invoke the Israelite Messianic prophecies, which he allegedly did, is not merely a "spiritual" matter but a military and political matter, which is suggested also by the fact that the told his followers to buy swords.

I will look into that passage again. I do not take the NT as infallible - it is not the Word of God IMO but the words of men - not all men are true and none are perfect.

One can hardly expect a Messianic Saviour king (of the Israelites) who defeats all the enemies of Israel and fulfills the Old Testament prophecies to be too forgiving, particularly considering the fact that their main imperial enemy was the most powerful and rather brutal nation on earth at that time.


except he was not that at all

Just to respond to the title of the thread "Origins of Freemasonry," as you are aware, that it can be established that modern UGLE Freemasonry was founded by a few drunks in a pub in 1717, just as the GLOE sect of Masonry was allegedly founded similarly a few years ago. However, at the highest levels of Freemasonry, it is allegedly a Christian organisation which claims to represent the legacy of the Christian Knight's Templars, which is why, to state the obvious, in their pantomime rituals, they go to great expense to aquire Knight's Templar's fancy dress.

Wrong. Moderns Freemasonry was ordained. The date 1717 has too much significance to be a chance alehouse encounter

You have argued that "dark forces" have corrupted Christianity. Unfortunately this is not exclusive to the modern day Knight's Templars' pantomine of Freemasonry; this is the general state of Christianity; the Templars are perhaps one of the most extreme cases of a group of assorted evangelical militant Capitalist, usuryist, state terrorist, narco-terrorist vermin masquerading behind the guise of Christianity and claiming to be sacred Christian knights, however they are certainly not alone in such hypocrisy; it is the general state of Christianity.

Dark forces probably created the establishment Church of Rome. Don't know about the early Orthodox

If you consider the original alleged mentor of Christianity, he certainly demeaned non Israelites, referring to a Gentile (foreign) woman as a dog and telling his followers not to go into the towns and cities of the Gentiles. He clearly considered himself to be an Israelite Messiah. Christianity after his death however quickly turned into a phenomenon which had very little to do with him, apart from promoting him as an alternative "saviour diety" to competing Greek and Roman cults, eventually transforming into the Capitalist Christianity (despite his strictly anti-Capitalist and anti-propertyist teachings)
of the economic and political elites whose history is rather well attested to.

See my earlier comment about the fallability of a record made by men. Also if you can quote and/or reference the verses you refer to

Attempts to "reform" Christianity have essentially been attempts to start a different kind of Christianity, but never the less a Christianity which similarly has had very little in common with the original messianic Judaism of its founder.

This attempt is not to reform Christianity but to reveal it.

Essentially in "economic" and "political" terms the closest modern Christian phenomenon to the positions take by Jesus are the liberation theology (Marxist Christianity) and Anarchist Christian movement. Apart from this the remainder of Christianity bears a great deal of similarlity to the Capitalist Christianity of Masonry.

I find neither Marxism nor Capitalism in Jesus. He threw over the usurer's tables - the foundation of Capitalism is interest - and he was certainly against the co-ercion that is at the heart of Marxism. He preached the free market of the spirit.

Since you yourself Rodin generally express anti-Jewish, anti-Communist positions, I would suggest that you look elsewhere than the Israelite Communist Jesus for a religious mentor.

I am anti supremacist Judaism, anti the Jewish Mafia as in behind 911, anti Satan, anti any ism. I am with any good hearted and genuine truth-seeker from any denomination or background. I find some of the Israeli replies to certain Haaretz articles quite encouraging actually.

rodin
08-08-2010, 10:44 AM
Many authors have published books on Freemasonry,
some printing the rituals, some their personal obser-
vations on certain facts, but few of these authors, having
themselves passed into occult masonry, the real masonry
of the Cabalistic degrees which is in touch with all
secret societies. Masonic as well as non-Masonic, have
been able to state that Luciferian Occultism controls
Freemasonry.

Though this is indeed the case, neither the President of the
Council of the Order of the Grand Orient of
France, the supreme chief of French Freemasonry, nor
the president of the Supreme Council of Scottish Rites
will be received at the meeting of a simple Luciferian
ceremony just on account of his title and dignity unless,
at the same time, he possesses a diploma of Cabalistic
grade which requires another initiation. On the other
hand, the first Oddfellow from Canada, a member of
the Chinese San-ho-hui of China, a Luciferian Fakir
from India, all these can visit at their pleasure all
lodges and inner shrines of ordinary Freemasonry in
all countries because, in each one of the Satanic sects,
the directing authority is exercised by heads who belong
to the most exalted masonic degrees of the different
rites, degrees which are for them of secondary impor-
tance. These chiefs, at the request of their subordinates
of the Luciferian societies, deliver to them freely the
diplomas necessary to obtain admittance everywhere,
as well as the sacred words and yearly and half yearly
pass-words of all the masonic rites of the globe.

Luciferian Occultism, as has been said before, is
therefore not a novelty, but it bore a different name in
the early days of Christianity. It was called Gnosti-
cism and its founder was Simon the Magician.

The Gnostics were not ordinary heretics but con-
stituted an anti-christian sect. To deceive the multitude,
they affected disagreement with certain doctrines of
the Apostles, and the chiefs selected from among the
initiates those destined to receive, in secret council,
the Satanic revelation. Gnosticism is marked with the
seal of Lucifer. It is contemporary with the Apostle
Peter and has continued, without interruption, down
to the present day, periodically changing its mask.

http://www.archive.org/stream/OccultTheocracy/occult_theocrasy_djvu.txt

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104852&highlight=Occult+Theocracy

The relationship between Gnosticism and Orthodox Christianity during the late first and the whole of the second century is vital in helping us to further understand the main doctrines of Gnosticism; due in part to the fact that, prior to the discovery of the Nag Hammadi Library,

Gnosticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I smell the Nag Hammadi is a fake like the Dead Sea Scrolls

Connection being made here - Gnostics, Freemasons, and the first century AD - the time of the alleged Mysterious Force

luciferhorus
08-08-2010, 11:42 AM
I smell the Nag Hammadi is a fake like the Dead Sea Scrolls

Connection being made here - Gnostics, Freemasons, and the first century AD - the time of the alleged Mysterious Force


The Nag Hammadi texts are part of a small library of Christian texts which date back to the Second Century AD. Frankly I find it surprising that there are not numerous other Christian texts from the first two centuries; however one must bear in mind also that such writings were considered heretical by the Roman Catholics who were the only legal form of Christianity for over a 1000 years and who suppressed such writings; in fact even the Latin Bible was a "banned book" for the mass of the population and a "secret book" only accessible by the priesthood, or to those with access to illegal handwritten versions.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CUuWVKWJL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

The Nag Hammadi texts are all avaliable free on the Internet and have been for many years. They include:

"Writings of creative and redemptive mythology, including Gnostic alternative versions of creation and salvation: The Apocryphon of John; The Hypostasis of the Archons; On the Origin of the World; The Apocalypse of Adam; The Paraphrase of Shem. (For an in-depth discussion of these, see the Archive commentary on Genesis and Gnosis.)

Observations and commentaries on diverse Gnostic themes, such as the nature of reality, the nature of the soul, the relationship of the soul to the world: The Gospel of Truth; The Treatise on the Resurrection; The Tripartite Tractate; Eugnostos the Blessed; The Second Treatise of the Great Seth; The Teachings of Silvanus; The Testimony of Truth.

Liturgical and initiatory texts: The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth; The Prayer of Thanksgiving; A Valentinian Exposition; The Three Steles of Seth; The Prayer of the Apostle Paul. (The Gospel of Philip, listed under the sixth category below, has great relevance here also, for it is in effect a treatise on Gnostic sacramental theology).

Writings dealing primarily with the feminine deific and spiritual principle, particularly with the Divine Sophia: The Thunder, Perfect Mind; The Thought of Norea; The Sophia of Jesus Christ; The Exegesis on the Soul.

Writings pertaining to the lives and experiences of some of the apostles: The Apocalypse of Peter; The Letter of Peter to Philip; The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles; The (First) Apocalypse of James; The (Second) Apocalypse of James, The Apocalypse of Paul.

Scriptures which contain sayings of Jesus as well as descriptions of incidents in His life: The Dialogue of the Saviour; The Book of Thomas the Contender; The Apocryphon of James; The Gospel of Philip; The Gospel of Thomas."

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

All the texts can be accessed through the link above.

There is a tendency for Christians to believe only the "offical" version of the New Testament, however the term "official" only refers to the version approved of by the Roman Church, there are other conflicting versions and other texts.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are not Christian texts but about 900 Jewish texts including copies of some of the books of the Old Testament which have been dated at being authored between about 150 BC and 70 AD. They are widely available on the Interent.

Connection being made here - Gnostics, Freemasons, and the first century AD - the time of the alleged Mysterious Force

I don't really see what any of this has to do with Freemasonry which is a cult of evangelical Capitalists.

There seems to be a tendency for Christians to believe that any kind of Jewish or Christian writings which do not appear in the Bible must automatically be false. Although there was no mass literacy 2000 years ago, many people were literate and the upper classes generally educated their children with such skills. Further there were many professional Scribes to whom an illiterate person could go to and pay them to record their ramblings. In light of this it is surprising that there are so few early Christian texts, however many of them were probably destroyed or kept hidden during the 1000 year reign of the Roman Church.

Lux


Codex Sinaiticus

I think that what Codex Sinaiticus shows us, is that in an age where books and various writings were all written by hand, that scribes often had a tendency to change certain things and even add things to suit their own interpretations and beliefs.

The Gospel of Q

It has long been alleged by Biblical scholars (I refer to academics and not "fundamentalist" Bible believers) that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke are three different versions which are all based on the same text which is referred to as the "The Gospel of Q."

This conclusion has been reached because of certain passages in these three Gospels which are not merely "similar" but rather are "identical." If there were three different scribes all relating the same stories from memory all three Gospels would not have identical texts.

Thus what we find with these three Gospels is probably the same original text which has simply been "added" to and elaborated; thus we find the three Gospels as essentially three different versions of the same text with certain additions.

The fourth Gospel, the Gospel of John which is thought to be much later than the Q based Gospels may be based on the text of the Q Gospels, but it does not contain the literal words and sentence construction of Q and is a much more "Greek" Gospel in contrast to the other three Judaic Gospels. Thus what we have is four different interprations by scribes, relating the story of a person who lived many years earlier, none of whom claim to have known the person of Jesus.

Similarly now with the Codex Sinaiticus text we find certain additions, deductions and changes, much as we would expect when a scribe rewrites something and adds and subtracts aspects of the story to suit his own person interpretation or misinterpretation.

So much for the allegedly "infallible," "unchanging" and "perfect" word of the omnipotent (all powerful) God, who is apparently not powerful enough to convince scribes not to change texts to suit their own interpretations and beliefs.

Lux

Codex Sinaiticus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7651105.stm
"What is probably the oldest known Bible is being digitised, reuniting its scattered parts for the first time since its discovery 160 years ago. It is markedly different from its modern equivalent. What's left out?

The world's oldest surviving Bible is in bits.

For 1,500 years, the Codex Sinaiticus lay undisturbed in a Sinai monastery, until it was found - or stolen, as the monks say - in 1844 and split between Egypt, Russia, Germany and Britain.

Now these different parts are to be united online and, from next July, anyone, anywhere in the world with internet access will be able to view the complete text and read a translation.

For those who believe the Bible is the inerrant, unaltered word of God, there will be some very uncomfortable questions to answer. It shows there have been thousands of alterations to today's bible.

The Codex, probably the oldest Bible we have, also has books which are missing from the Authorised Version that most Christians are familiar with today - and it does not have crucial verses relating to the Resurrection.

Anti-Semitic writings

The fact this book has survived at all is a miracle. Before its discovery in the early 19th Century by the Indiana Jones of his day, it remained hidden in St Catherine's Monastery since at least the 4th Century.
The monastery at the base of Mt Sinai

It survived because the desert air is ideal for preservation and because the monastery, on a Christian island in a Muslim sea, remained untouched, its walls unconquered.

Today, 30 mainly Greek Orthodox monks, dedicated to prayer, worship there, helped as in ages past by the Muslim Bedouin. For this place is holy to three great religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam; a land where you can still see the Burning Bush where God spoke to Moses.

The monastery itself has the greatest library of early manuscripts outside the Vatican - some 33,000, and a collection of icons second to none.

Not surprisingly, it is now a World Heritage Site and has been called a veritable Ark, bringing spiritual treasures safely through the turbulent centuries. In many people's eyes the greatest treasure is the Codex, written around the time of the first Christian Emperor Constantine.

When the different parts are digitally united next year in a £1m project, anyone will be able to compare and contrast the Codex and the modern Bible.

Firstly, the Codex contains two extra books in the New Testament.

One is the little-known Shepherd of Hermas, written in Rome in the 2nd Century - the other, the Epistle of Barnabas. This goes out of its way to claim that it was the Jews, not the Romans, who killed Jesus, and is full of anti-Semitic kindling ready to be lit. "His blood be upon us," Barnabas has the Jews cry.

Discrepancies

Had this remained in subsequent versions, "the suffering of Jews in the subsequent centuries would, if possible, have been even worse", says the distinguished New Testament scholar Professor Bart Ehrman.
The suffering of Jews in the subsequent centuries would, if possible, have been even worse had the Epistle of Barnabas remained

Professor Bart Ehrman

And although many of the other alterations and differences are minor, these may take some explaining for those who believe every word comes from God.

Faced with differing texts, which is the truly authentic one?

Mr Ehrman was a born again Bible-believing Evangelical until he read the original Greek texts and noticed some discrepancies.

The Bible we now use can't be the inerrant word of God, he says, since what we have are the sometimes mistaken words copied by fallible scribes.

"When people ask me if the Bible is the word of God I answer 'which Bible?'"

The Codex - and other early manuscripts - omit some mentions of ascension of Jesus into heaven, and key references to the Resurrection, which the Archbishop of Canterbury has said is essential for Christian belief.

Other differences concern how Jesus behaved. In one passage of the Codex, Jesus is said to be "angry" as he healed a leper, whereas the modern text records him as healing with "compassion".

Also missing is the story of the woman taken in adultery and about to be stoned - until Jesus rebuked the Pharisees (a Jewish sect), inviting anyone without sin to cast the first stone.

Nor are there words of forgiveness from the cross. Jesus does not say "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

Fundamentalists, who believe every word in the Bible is true, may find these differences unsettling.

But the picture is complicated. Some argue that another early Bible, the Codex Vaticanus, is in fact older. And there are other earlier texts of almost all the books in the bible, though none pulled together into a single volume.

Many Christians have long accepted that, while the Bible is the authoritative word of God, it is not inerrant. Human hands always make mistakes.

"It should be regarded as a living text, something constantly changing as generation and generation tries to understand the mind of God," says David Parker, a Christian working on digitising the Codex.

Others may take it as more evidence that the Bible is the word of man, not God."

Mo0n5tar
08-08-2010, 02:56 PM
Great info...ty

rodin
09-08-2010, 05:27 PM
There is a tendency for Christians to believe only the "offical" version of the New Testament, however the term "official" only refers to the version approved of by the Roman Church, there are other conflicting versions and other texts.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are not Christian texts but about 900 Jewish texts including copies of some of the books of the Old Testament which have been dated at being authored between about 150 BC and 70 AD. They are widely available on the Interent.

The Nag Hammadi texts are a hoax. The Protocols of Zion are real

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058462911&postcount=81

I do not follow the Bible in its entirety and neither do I exclude the possibility of light being shed on Jesus from other sources

You have read 'Dissipation of the Darkness'???

rodin
12-09-2010, 03:32 PM
Maj.-Gen., Count Cherep-Spiridovich
THE SECRET WORLD
GOVERNMENT
OR
"THE HIDDEN HAND"
The Unrevealed in History
100 Historical ,-Mysteries" Explained
The Anti-Bolshevist Publishing Association
15 EAST 128th STREET
NEW YORK OITY
1926

To get an idea of this guys provenance

After a long discussion with General McDonough, the Chief of the War
Intelligence Department in London, and with the British Foreign
Office, I submitted on September 17, 1918, a report advising the
signing of peace with Bulgaria, which, as I foretold in the above
report, would provoke an uprising of the Slavs in Austria and a
panic in Germany and the immediate surrender of her armies . My
advice was accepted and two weeks later peace with Bulgaria was
signed ; two weeks still later the Slavs in Austria rose, and Austria
was prostrated : and two weeks after the Austrian defection, Germany
was thrown into a panic and surrender forced upon her .
The First World War was thus ended, thanks to my advice!
The self-extermination of the Aryans was stopped . Otherwise,
fighting would have continued for many months more and at least
some five million more Aryans would have lost their lives in vain,
of whom not less than two millions would have been Americans .

The Hidden Hand, a Mysterious Force...

In order to succeed more easily and to exercise their power
in all its magnitude, i . e. to establish "Israel Above All", the Jews
have kept their Government secret and "invisible".
In order to dissimulate their purpose, they organized, thousands
of years ago, their numberless executive committees under
the name of Free-Masonic lodges . Those Lodges bribed or attracted
by deception the most influential and unscrupulous Christians
and made them (some of them unconsciously) further their
Satanic plan.

Immense libraries of books, confirmang that Free-Masonry
is an entirely Jewish organisation, may be found in Paris at "La
Renaissance Francaise" (3 Rue Solferino) ; at the "Revue Internationale
des Societes Secretes" (96 Boul . Malesherbes) ; at "La
Vieille France" (5 Rue du Pre-aux Cleres) written by such authors
: as Jouin, Gohier, Copin-Albancelli, Daste, et al . It is a real
disgrace that these books have not yet been translated into English .
"Facts of world importance are known to too few men, and we need
more facts, Humanity cannot find the light, unless it has facts"
(The Editor of the Chicago Daily News .)

The chief (and perhaps the only) object of the Free-Masons,
(except a few Lodges, which are "mock Masonic") and especially
the Grand Orient of France, is to ruin the Christian Church and
every State (which is not yet governed by a Vice-Roy of the
Jewish Supreme World Government) and bring about Anarchy
as foretold by the famous Russian philosopher Dostoiewsky (1880),
which will compel the people to recognize "Israel Above All",t
Mrs. Nesta Webster in her 3 excellent books, The Morning
Post in its "Cause of World Unrest" and numberless authors ex_
posed in detail the history of the creation of Free-Masonry by the
Jews, and also how the Jews later invaded or re - educated nearly
all the Free-Masonic Lodges, opened by the Christians .
To be a free-mason means to "hob-nob" freely with hell .
Nearly all the masonic lodges became "laymen's synagogues ."
As soon as the Jews ioined Gentiles' Masonry murders began .
"TH Jews supply 50% of the criminals" (Chief Police, Gen, Binghan) .*
*Add to this figure numerous criminal Jews, camouflaged as "Russians,"

http://www.resist.com/SecretGovernment-Spiridovich.pdf

edit to add

In her wonderful World Revolution (1921) she [Nesta Webster] already dares
to quote from Charles d'Hericault (La Revolution, p . 104)
"At Wilhelmsbad in 1782 it was decided to remove the headquarters of
`Illuminized' (i. e . re-judaized or re-satanized) Free-Masonry to Frankfurton-
Main, which `incidentally' was the stronghold of Jewish Finance, controlled
by such leading members of the race as Rothschild, Mayer Amschel . At
this head lodge of Frankfurt the gigantic plan of world revolution (practically
murdering) was carried forward and it was there, that at a large Masonic
Congress in 1786, the deaths of Louis XVI and Gustavus III of Sweden were
definitely decreed." (And also of Emperor Joseph II. of Austria) .

rodin
12-09-2010, 04:53 PM
THE ROTHSCHILDS ARE RULING FREE-MASONRY.

REAL FREE-MASONRY IS ANTI-CHRISTIAN, I.E. SATANIC
I speak only about, the Free-Masonry of Euro-Asia, but nevertheless
American Free-Masonry was created by Jews Stephen Morin
(in 1761) etc. and directed here by the followers of the Assassins
of Asia Minor. There is no doubt that the soul of Free-Masonry is
entirely Jewish and utterly anti -Christian, as numberless authors
have proved most convincingly . To those, who have not been attracted
to Free-Masonry, I would most emphatically recommend-
"do not join it!" It is absolutely "Hobb-Nobbing with Hell" and
does not even pay. It is selling one self most shamelessly and gratis .
The striking resemblance between the Jewish ritual and of Free-
Masonry is exposed in the "Cause of the World Unrest" and in the
"World Revolution," which ought to be read by every intelligent
man, as also Mrs . Webster's "Secret Societies" .

Again I repeat that all of these references to Free Masonry apply
only to the European Lodges and practices, which are not recognized
by Free Masons in America .

M. Copin d'Albancelli confirms that the occult power which
moves behind Free-Masonry is the secret Government of the Jewish
nation. This has been proved thousands of times and it would
be useless to repeat it here . The masonic cry : "Nekum" ("revenge"
in Hebrew) and numerous Hebrew names (Temple of Solomon,
Hebrew Captivity, Murder of Hiram, etc .) in their ritual
prove it sufficiently .

In the 18th degree the Free-Masons are told, that Christ "was no
more than a common Jew, crucified for his crimes." The Knight
Templars (27th Degree) "must deny Christ and defile the cross."

In the 30th degree are admited only those, who consent to upset
the Church and the State.
The revolutionist Louis Blanc states that even above those high
degrees there exist some "shadowy sanctuaries ." And those are
only Jewish . It is the Jewish Supreme World Government. I knew
the chiefs and the Secretary General of the Masonic Lodge of
Paris-"The Grand Orient", the notorious Vadecard .
Many Masonic lodges have been created by the Occult Jewish
Government ad hoc, i .e. for a certain period or for a certain act .
As soon as this period has passed or the act was performed or failed,
the secret society was dissolved and its leaders even annihilated, in
order, that the Christians would never learn or guess, who was
behind it. The "best" men (from the Jewish point of view) were
gathered into the next superior lodge, or a secret Masonry .

http://www.resist.com/SecretGovernment-Spiridovich.pdf

rodin
12-09-2010, 07:11 PM
If Free Masonry was chiefly guilty for the ocean of blood in
the "French" Revolution why then were its lodges closed in 1793
and why were so many free masons executed?
It is true that many free masons claimed that the "French" (and
the other) Revolution was staged by them .Thus Sicard de Plauzoles
declared at the Convention of 1913 :

"The Free Masonry can with pride consider the Revolution as its
own deed" (Tourmentin - "La Franc-Maconnerie Demasquee")
This was also affirmed by the free mason Louis Blanc in his
"History of the French Revolution" . But the claim was especially
set forth at the International Masonic Congress in 1889 by the
free masons Amiable and Colfavru at a lecture on July 16 at the
Grand Orient. They asserted that all the work had been done by
the masons and that the plan of the Revolution had been elaborated
by them before 1778 : It is also significant that the Masonic Congress
was held in 1889, exactly 100 years after the outbreak of the Revolution
of 1789 ...
!
Yes ! But, however, all the leading (seemingly) masons : Robespierre,
Danton, et al . were later on executed, after having accomplished
the "dirty work" ... Who can explain why such a powerful'
organization could not save its members from being assassinated?'

Why was Robespierre badly wounded and not killed, by a Meda,
whom people nicknamed "Merda" and whose brother was Meng?
The "French" Revolution, as the others have been was organised
and financed by the Rothschilds in order to murder the
Christians, to plunder them and to obtain "all the kingdoms ."
*Why did the Tribunal rest on Saturday-inference is they were in the
Synagogues those "French" leaders of the "French" revolution .
67
ROBESPIERRE'S WORDS COST HIS LIFE

The supposed "leader" Robespierre was Amschel's tool.

"It seems to me, that we are pushed by a 'Hidden Hand' above our will.
Every day the Committee of the Public Salvation is doing what it decided a
day before not to do . There is a faction conducted in order to ruin it whose
directors we have not been able to discover" . (Robespierre to Amar, Memoirs
de Mallet du Pan, vol . II, p . 60) .

Robespierre lost his life, because he dared to express his disgust,
that the Aliens (Jews) introduced by Weisshaupt and by other
agents of Amschel, had become the real rulers in Paris . He was not
killed by Meng (not a Frenchman), but only badly wounded in
the jaw, in order to cause him most awful suffering, prolong his
agony as long as possible and by depriving him of the power of
speech to prevent him from revealing, that it was not a revolution,
but the grabbing of France by Jews .

It was mere "kosher-butchering" ! 1! This confirms, that the
"French" revolution was Jewish

http://www.resist.com/SecretGovernment-Spiridovich.pdf

Beware non Jewish Freemasons everywhere. You will be disposed of once usefulness is over. It was always the way with ruthless criminals

kooskoets
12-09-2010, 07:37 PM
"Secret government" is a great read.
I finished it just a few days ago.

Near the end he sais he has also written a follow-up but that was never published.
He comitted suicide in 1926...

I also found a re-edited version which is better readable.
it's here for the interested.... ( comes with the original...)
http://theebooksbay.com/ebook/secret-government-count-cherep-spiridovich/

rodin
21-09-2010, 07:39 PM
"Secret government" is a great read.
I finished it just a few days ago.

Near the end he sais he has also written a follow-up but that was never published.
He comitted suicide in 1926...

I also found a re-edited version which is better readable.
it's here for the interested.... ( comes with the original...)
http://theebooksbay.com/ebook/secret-government-count-cherep-spiridovich/

What better recommend can you get?

rodin
17-10-2010, 11:32 PM
The general sentiment of the religious Christian Age up to the French Revolution was that the Jew was a “Christ-Killer” and not to be trusted.

There was no inner connection between the Jew and his Western surroundings. But with the coming of ‘democracy’ created by Jewish infiltration of the Free Masons which was made into an instrument of his revenge-politics, a great wave of excitement ran through the Jewish world.

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=561

dollanaqua
03-01-2011, 10:16 PM
its 2triangles to masons, rather then a single hexagramm.

afaik,of course:D

http://freemasonrywatch.org/pics/animatedmason.gif

Monty Python and the Freemasons - The Architect Sketch - YouTube :D

trumancash
04-01-2011, 07:11 PM
http://freemasonrywatch.org/pics/animatedmason.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1bHBthJN9w&feature=player_embedded :D

LOL!!!! Great video by the Monty Python group poking fun at Freemasonry!

On a more serious note, I have uncovered information regarding the origin of Freemasonry and their symbols. For those with open minds I would recommend that they read my second book, THE EYE OF RA, which anyone can read free of charge on my website at www.MatrixRevealed.com.

Yours in the Awakening,
Truman L. Cash
www.MatrixRevealed.com

rodin
31-01-2011, 03:44 PM
To summarise

The OPs of this thread suggest Freemasonry was established by Jews in the first century BC, taking a false provenance from Egypt. Its purpose was to combat Christianty which was spreading like wildfire.

I go on to suggest the Old Testament was written AFTER the Apostles.

In this light I find the following research supportive.

At the end of the 18th dynasty (after Hatshepsut and 4 other pharaohs) there reigned a strange pharaoh named Amenophis IV, who later called himself Akhenaten. Amenhotep IV was a pharaoh so revolutionary, so radical that those following him had his name which he changed to Akhenaten and face deleted from the Egyptian records so completely that only 3000 years later did archaeology rediscover his new royal capital at Akhet-Aten (modern el-Amarna). The story of Akhenaten is all through the first five books in the Jewish-Christian Bible but due to revisionism we don't recognize him. He is the Biblical Moses and I will present evidence to show that this is a fact.

http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/were_there_hebrew_pharaohs_egypt_2.htm

Don't you find it rather interesting and a matter of concern that archaeology has confirmed the reigns of all other great kings of the ancient world mentioned in the Bible, and some of the later, lesser kings of of Judah and Israel (namely, Omri, Ahab, Jehu, Pekah, Hosea, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Mannasseh, and Uzziah) but cannot confirm the Kingship of David or Solomon?

Of course when questioned about this inconsistency typical Christian and Jewish responses vary around the conservative response that it is only a matter of time before concrete evidence of the reigns of David and Solomon will be found as well.

I am here to inform the reader that such evidence does already exits but as you will find it won't be found in Palestine but in Egypt and in a different era. Concrete evidence for David and Solomon already exists, and comes from the very place one would least expect to find it; namely Egypt. Of course we don't find the names "David" or "Solomon" but we do find the same exploits described in the Hebrew texts accredited to Thutmose III and Amenhotep III. Now we will find that that neither this "King David" or "King Solomon" were Hebrews for they were Egyptian Pharoahs

http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/were_there_hebrew_pharaohs_egypt_1.htm

kadosh
31-01-2011, 05:39 PM
History of Freemasonry: The Origins - http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/buta.html

lightgiver
31-01-2011, 06:51 PM
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4238/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg/)

rodin
31-01-2011, 10:02 PM
To summarise

The OPs of this thread suggest Freemasonry was established by Jews in the first century BC, taking a false provenance from Egypt. Its purpose was to combat Christianty which was spreading like wildfire.

I go on to suggest the Old Testament was written AFTER the Apostles.

In this light I find the following research supportive.

http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/were_there_hebrew_pharaohs_egypt_2.htm

http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/were_there_hebrew_pharaohs_egypt_1.htm

The Origin of the idea of The Great Architect

I must address the building of the Temple. Amenhotep III, the Biblical Solomon, embarked on massive building campaigns which are partly confirmed in the list in I Kings but there is a problem. This temple was built in the 14th century B.C.E. and not in the 10th century as the Bible states. The problem we find is that the palace he is supposed to have built in Jerusalem cannot be found by archeologists, but the description tallies exactly with the Amenhotep III's palace in Thebes which was built in the 14th century.

Also of importance is the fact that Amenhotep III is responsible for what we call the "12 Tribes" of Israel. Let me explain. It was he who organized Egypt into twelve administrative districts ("12 tribes"); the organization which was taken from the pattern of the Zodiac.

Answer for yourself: In reading a book entitled Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times by Redford he asks a good question so let me paraphrase it: Since archeology and history testifies to a pattern where other great Bronze and Iron Age cultures in the ancient Near East (Egyptian, Babylonian, Assyrian, and Hittite) left as a legacy numerous documents, art, and inscriptions on buildings or public monuments would should we not expect to have such testimony left by such a great king and master builder let alone by the descendants and admirers of King Solomon in order to honor him? Of course we would expect this to occur yet the hard facts of archeology and history hits us right between the eyes. No article of any king bearing the name of "King Solomon" has ever been found as of today (Ibid. p. 309) anywhere!

The cities of Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer, which as we have seen were built by King Solomon, have now been extensively excavated and all artifacts discovered examined and categorized. Hazor was a large Canaanite city state in Upper Galilee and has been identified as modern Tell el-Qedah only 14 kilometers north of the Sea of Galilee. It was one of the major commercial centres in the Fertile Cresent and we find references to it in both Egyptian and Mesopotamian texts going as far back as the eighteenth century B.C.E. Megiddo, which has been identified as modern Tell el-Mutesellim, was the largest of he ancient fortified city states in Canaan, overlooking the Jezreel Valley of Central Palestine, while Gezar, located in the foothills of the Judean Rang east of Jerusalem, was another important fortified city. A stratum containing large palaces, temples and strong fortifications was found in each of these cities. The name of Solomon, however, was not found.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that all three of these cities were conquered by Tuthmose III (King David) in the middle of the fifteenth century B.C.E.? This has been confirmed by archeological digging , which has produced evidence of the cities' destruction in the right strata for this period (Osman, The House of the Messiah, p. 212).

Answer for yourself: Now since King Solomon is King David's grandson, and we know that King David is really Thutmose III, then should we not expect to find compelling evidence and parallels between the lives of the Biblical King Solomon and Thutmose III's grandson named Amenhotep III? We should and we do.

Answer for yourself: Are you aware that in all three cases evidence has been found of large-scale reconstruction work 50 years later during the reign of Amenhotep III (the Biblical Solomon) who was Tuthmose III's (David's) grandson?

Answer for yourself: Can you guess what of earth shattering proportions was also found in the excavations of these three cities? A cartouche containing the name not of Solomon but Amenhotep III. A Cartouche is an oval band symbolizing continuity which enclosed a god’s or Pharaoh’s name (nomen and prenomen) similar to a modern logo, and which was the symbol of an Egyptian name in hieroglyphics. A cartouche of the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Amenhotep III, Thutmose III's grandson (King David) was found in the strata belonging to this period and nothing was found indicating a "King Solomon" had been connected with any of these 3 cities in any way whatsoever. (Osman, House of the Messiah, p. 212).

In Jerusalem, it has not been possible to excavate the temple mount, however, extensive excavations in the city, including the areas adjacent to the temple mount have not revealed the existence of a Solomaic palace complex (Osman, The House of the Messiah, p. 216). Moreover, excavation of the Millo has revealed (due to pottery found in the Millo) that its original construction was also contemporary with the Egyptian 18th Dynasty of Amenhotep III (Osman, House of the Messiah, p. 200-201; Rohl, Pharaohs and Kings, p. 181).

Amenhotep III of Egypt, Pharaoh of the Egypt's glorious 18th Dynasty, was known in ancient times as the "King of Kings" and "Ruler of Ruler's" (Redford, Akhenaten the Heretic King, p. 35). He, like the Biblical Solomon, inherited a vast empire whose influence extended quite literally from the Nile to the Euphrates (Osman, House of Messiah, p. 202).

Answer for yourself: Does it stand to reason that any Jewish king would ever inherit the Nile in Egypt? (THINK).

In contrast to the empire of Solomon, which we can find no trace outside of the inherited adulterated Hebrew texts bequeathed to us by Ezra, the empire of Amenhotep is indisputable (Redford, Akhenaten the Heretic King, p. 43). The buildings, monuments, documents, art, and numerous other vestiges of his reign are universal and unparalleled (with the possible exception being those left by the 19th Dynasty Pharaoh, Ramses II).

The entire reign of Amenhotep III was devoted to monumental construction throughout Egypt, Canaan, and Syria (Aldred, Akhenaten, p. 147). In addition to the ancient world's most glorious temple at Luxor (Osman, The House of Messiah, p. 216), he built many other temples of similar design throughout Egypt and in the rest of his empire (Ibid. p. 217), including the Canaanite garrison cities of Hazor, Megiddo, Gezer (Ibid, p. 212), Lachish and Beth-shean (Ibid., p. 218).

According to Egyptian records, Amenhotep's father Thutmose IV and grandfather Amenhotep II deported over 80,000 Canaanites. The Canaanite inhabitants of Gezer were specifically included in this deportation (Redford, Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, p. 165, 208). It was during Amenhotep III's reign (King Solomon) that Gezer and other major Palestine cities were refortified as royal Egyptian garrisons, and endowed with fine temples and palaces.

http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/were_there_hebrew_pharaohs_egypt_3.htm

What a crock this Freemasonry is - Pseudo Judaic rewritten Egyptian back-story.

Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

http://thepopulist.net/?p=10501

rodin
01-02-2011, 04:36 PM
Not QUITE fair.

"Patrick (sic St Patrick) had endeavoured to convert pagan Judaistic Ireland ...

In the light of Blair being descended from the Lipsetts and Bono's Jewish heritage, plus of course the 'IRA' .... and the Jewish financed starvation of the Catholics via 'Oliver's Army'....

What is a Judaic pagan? Enquiring minds would like to know

lightgiver
02-02-2011, 11:22 PM
The Origin of the idea of The Great Architect




http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4238/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg/)


The Anunnaki (also transcribed as: Anunna, Anunnaku, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian deities. The name is variously written "da-nuna", "da-nuna-ke4-ne", or "da-nun-na", meaning something to the effect of 'those of royal blood' or 'princely offspring'. Their relation to the group of gods known as the Igigi is unclear - at times the names are used synonymously but in the Atra-Hasis flood myth they have to work for the Anunnaki, rebelling after 40 days and replaced by the creation of humans,

Enki gives cheer for the new ewe Sheep for meat on Earth.

The Anunnaki being as much meat-eaters as anything else while here on Earth, they preferred the race of Abel's offering of meat over the race of Cain's ...

lizzy
02-02-2011, 11:31 PM
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4238/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg/)


The Anunnaki (also transcribed as: Anunna, Anunnaku, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian deities. The name is variously written "da-nuna", "da-nuna-ke4-ne", or "da-nun-na", meaning something to the effect of 'those of royal blood' or 'princely offspring'. Their relation to the group of gods known as the Igigi is unclear - at times the names are used synonymously but in the Atra-Hasis flood myth they have to work for the Anunnaki, rebelling after 40 days and replaced by the creation of humans,

Enki gives cheer for the new ewe Sheep for meat on Earth.

The Anunnaki being as much meat-eaters as anything else while here on Earth, they preferred the race of Abel's offering of meat over the race of Cain's ...

....hi lg,......never been into an alien intervention...but that sure looks like the original masonic handshake.

lightgiver
02-02-2011, 11:55 PM
....hi lg,......never been into an alien intervention...but that sure looks like the original masonic handshake.

I am sure it goes a Lot further back

How long did it take for dinosaurs to evolve ?

The Serpent And The Rainbow(1988)

The Serpent And The Rainbow(1988) - YouTube

;)

some masonone is watching these posts because all the links and videos on previous posts are Vanishing.

The Serpentine (also known as the Serpentine River) is a 28-acre (11 ha) recreational lake in Hyde Park, London, England, created in 1730. Although it is common to refer to the entire body of water as the Serpentine, strictly the name refers only to the eastern half of the lake. Serpentine Bridge, which marks the boundary between Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens, also marks the western boundary of the Serpentine; the long and narrow western half of the lake is known as the Long Water. The Serpentine takes its name from its snakelike, curving shape

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Serpentine_Bridge_along_Long_Water.jpg/800px-Serpentine_Bridge_along_Long_Water.jpg

London's Holocaust Memorial is situated at the eastern end of the Serpentine, immediately beyond the dam, and a memorial on the northern shore of the lake commemorates the Norwegian Defence Forces' role in World War II.

The Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fountain is sited on the southern shore of the Serpentine near West Carriage Drive. It currently receives approximately one million visitors per year.[20]

There is another fountain, 'The Diana Fountain', on the north side of the Serpentine Road, at the north-east corner of the lake. This, much earlier, fountain is dedicated to the Roman Goddess. It is much eroded and has not work for many years. It now resembles a bird-bath.

Ranger's Lodge is one of a group of buildings to the north of the lake. The most prominent of these is the 1903 Metropolitan Police Station ('AH'). Hyde Park is/was the only Royal Park policed by this force. The 'Met' were first housed, from 1867–1903 in 'The Magazine' at the north end of the Serpentine Bridge. Policing was,in the 1970's, passed to the Royal Parks Constabulary. Following the RPC's abolition in 2004, it is now the headquarters of the Metropolitan Police Service's Royal Parks Operational Command Unit, although as with the rest of the MPS, command and control of day-to-day incidents has been centralised to the Metcall complex.

Airwave (communications network)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Airwave_logo.png

The Solarshuttle, moored in front of Hyde Park Barracks
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Solarshuttle_%26_Knightsbridge_Barracks.JPG/586px-Solarshuttle_%26_Knightsbridge_Barracks.JPG

The Rose Gardens at the southeastern corner of the Serpentine have in recent years become a popular meeting place for London's gay community. It has been alleged that their popularity as a cottaging location is due to their proximity to Hyde Park Barracks.

United States Air Forces in Europe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/United_States_Air_Forces_in_Europe.png/609px-United_States_Air_Forces_in_Europe.png

Royal Air Force Station Lakenheath, commonly abbreviated to RAF Lakenheath, (IATA: LKZ, ICAO: EGUL) is a Royal Air Force military airbase near Lakenheath in Suffolk, England. Although an RAF station, it hosts United States Air Force units and personnel. The host wing is the 48th Fighter Wing (48 FW), also known as the Liberty Wing, assigned to United States Air Forces in Europe (USAFE).

F-15E Strike Eagles of the 48th Fighter, Statue of Liberty Wing
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Lakenheathphoto.jpg

5th Space Surveillance Squadron
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/5th_Space_Surveillance_Squadron.png/555px-5th_Space_Surveillance_Squadron.png
The United States Air Force's 5th Space Surveillance Squadron (5 SSS) was a space surveillance unit located at RAF Feltwell, United Kingdom.

Between 1989 and 2003 it also hosted the US Air Force's 5th Space Surveillance Squadron (5 SPSS) which was subordinate to the 21st Operations Group (21 OG) and the 21st Space Wing (21 SW), both at Peterson AFB, Colorado.

Seal of Colorado.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Seal_of_Colorado.svg/600px-Seal_of_Colorado.svg.png

View of the Western Slope from Grand Junction.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/GrandJunctionTrip92007013.jpg
Nickname(s): River City Motto: "Best place to live west of the Rockies"

Close Encounters of the Third Kind Soundtrack-19 Climbing the Mountain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qVksCbU6s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Junction,_CO

Air Force Space Command
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Air_Force_Space_Command.png/621px-Air_Force_Space_Command.png

Commander Colonel Stephen Whiting

Occupants 21st Space Wing, 302d Airlift Wing, US Northern Command, NORAD, Air Force Space Command, Army Space Command

These organizations in turn are subordinate to the 14th Air Force (14 AF) at Vandenberg AFB, California which reports to HQ Air Force Space Command (AFSPC), also at Peterson AFB, CO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Space_Surveillance_Squadron

F-15 Eagle at RAF Lakenheath with rainbow
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/F-15_Eagle_at_RAF_Lakenheath_with_rainbow.jpg/800px-F-15_Eagle_at_RAF_Lakenheath_with_rainbow.jpg

The 21st Space Wing now has a detachment at RAF Fylingdales, UK, to coordinate cooperative missile warning and space surveillance with RAF counterparts

The Solid State Phased Array Radar (SSPAR)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Radar_RAF_Fylingdales.jpg/800px-Radar_RAF_Fylingdales.jpg
Radar RAF Fylingdales

RAF Feltwell is a Royal Air Force station in Norfolk, East Anglia that is currently used by the United States Air Forces Europe. The station is located about 10 miles west of Thetford, and is in the borough of King's Lynn at approximate Ordnance Survey grid reference TL 715 900.

RAF Fylingdales is a Royal Air Force station on Snod Hill in the North York Moors, England. Its motto is "Vigilamus" (translates to "We are watching")


A near nuclear accident occurred on 27 July 1956 - when a B-47 bomber crashed into a storage igloo at Lakenheath containing three MK-6 nuclear weapons while on a routine training mission. Although the bombs involved in the accident did not have their fissile cores installed, each of them carried about 8,000 pounds of high explosives as part of their trigger mechanism. The crash and ensuing fire did not ignite the high explosives and no detonation occurred. The damaged weapons and components were later returned to the Atomic Energy Commission. The B-47 involved in the accident, which killed four crewmen, was part of the 307th Bombardment Wing

Salem's Lot ...HOLLYWOOD...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood...http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/vli/holyrood/index.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLhA9kiFCnU

Very scary scene from Salem's Lot

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Serpentine Gallery
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Serpentine_Gallery_and_2008_Pavilion.jpg

lizzy
03-02-2011, 12:18 AM
hi lg, I've noticed the many vids don't stay around.....not sure why.

I bet it took millions of yrs for the dionsaurs to evolve....but they just eat everything in sight and kept their herd instincts, (perhaps) humans are far more brutal, manipuative, power hungery.....we have out done ourselves (again)....... bet we're not around as long as they were......;)

lightgiver
03-02-2011, 12:23 AM
hi lg, I've noticed the many vids don't stay around.....not sure why.

I bet it took millions of yrs for the dionsaurs to evolve....but they just eat everything in sight and kept their herd instincts, (perhaps) humans are far more brutal, manipuative, power hungery.....we have out done ourselves (again)....... bet we're not around as long as they were......;)

Phil Thornton - Visions From The Homeworld (Part 2) - YouTube

Who Knows what is over the Horizon ?

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/461/800pxlargecrocodyluspor.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/800pxlargecrocodyluspor.jpg/)

and how did dinosaurs evolve and what from ?

Alien

Alien 1979 - YouTube

1979

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2577/constanceoffrancewidowo.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/constanceoffrancewidowo.jpg/)

I know what I feel.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8162/51h0rv5ixl.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/51h0rv5ixl.jpg/)

lizzy
03-02-2011, 12:37 AM
You have a very intelligent mind lg......alien visitation is impossible to rule out ofc, I just feel as the trees ,flowers , oceans and mountains evolved from volcanos and slime , so did all creatures......only with us our minds might be our undoing not our salvation.;)

lightgiver
03-02-2011, 12:40 AM
You have a very intelligent mind lg......alien visitation is impossible to rule out ofc, I just feel as the trees ,flowers , oceans and mountains evolved from volcanos and slime , so did all creatures......only with us our minds might be our undoing not our salvation.;)

Shiva's Mind - The Cosmic Mind and Microvita

Shiva's Mind - The Cosmic Mind and Microvita - YouTube

Tandava the Dance of Dissolution

Tandava the Dance of Dissolution : A film by Jayan Cherian - YouTube

It is Written.

lizzy
03-02-2011, 01:11 AM
thanks lg, both were great,l..the first we can equate the milky way to the double helix,..... infinate space (whether expanding limitlesssly or due to contract at some point we are long gone) to say a quark or neutrino...we have telescopes that can see the edge of the universe and the super collider....ancient .culture that must be preserved and not decimated by greed and power.....but will it survive or fall victim?

lightgiver
03-02-2011, 01:53 AM
thanks lg, both were great,l..the first we can equate the milky way to the double helix,..... infinate space (whether expanding limitlesssly or due to contract at some point we are long gone) to say a quark or neutrino...we have telescopes that can see the edge of the universe and the super collider....ancient .culture that must be preserved and not decimated by greed and power.....but will it survive or fall victim?

Sunlight drive

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/196/1p36f00z.jpg (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/1p36f00z.jpg/)

Freemasons have used ciphers since at least the 18th century. The Freemason’s Cipher is sometimes called the Pigpen Cipher, because the alphabet is written into a grid of lines, which may look like pigpens, and a cross shape from two diagonal lines. A letter is enciphered by drawing the shape of the cell that encompasses it. Freemasons learned one of the many versions of this cipher as part of the Royal Arch initiation.

Here are the main reasons Freemasons use ciphers:

*

To keep their ritual ceremonies secure so they aren’t easily discovered by the unitiated
*

To keep messages about Masonic business (like “lodge officers meet one half-hour before the meeting of the full lodge”) just among Masons
*

To have fun, plain and simple

The Grand Lodge style of Freemasonry began in 1717 in London, England, and spread to France in fewer than ten years. In France, Freemasons experimented with the development of so-called high degrees, ritual initiation ceremonies that somehow went beyond the first three degrees of Freemasonry.

These high degree ceremonies were plays that enhanced a Mason’s experience and interaction with the legends, for example, of the Temple built by King Solomon. Some believe that the French invented a degree called the Royal Arch, as a kind of completion (keystone) of the third or Master Mason degree.

However the Royal Arch was developed — and early Masonic records are notoriously incomplete — history suggests that the Royal Arch degree was being conferred in London in the 1740s. When it comes down to it, the Freemason’s Cipher (in any version) is a straight substitution cipher, so you can solve it by substituting a letter for each symbol.

The Mason's Keystone: Solving the inner degrees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_gZLndw-00

[Do Not Open The Box] Hellraiser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzRHNpZx2c

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7024/apigpenmessage.png (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/apigpenmessage.png/)

They Live (1988) Part 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cmdr1X86Ac

The Andromeda Galaxy (pronounced /ænˈdrɒmədə/) is a spiral galaxy approximately 2.5 million light-years away in the constellation Andromeda. It is also known as Messier 31, M31, or NGC 224, and is often referred to as the Great Andromeda Nebula in older texts.

Pinwheel Galaxy

The Pinwheel Galaxy (also known as Messier 101 or NGC 5457) is a face-on spiral galaxy distanced 25 million light-years (eight megaparsecs) away in the constellation Ursa Major

Ursa Major (Latin: "Larger Bear"), also known as the Great Bear, is a constellation visible throughout the year in most of the northern hemisphere. It is dominated by the widely recognized asterism known as the Big Dipper or Plough, which is a useful pointer toward north, and which has mythological significance in numerous world cultures.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/M101_hires_STScI-PRC2006-10a.jpg/767px-M101_hires_STScI-PRC2006-10a.jpg

All the stars that the eye can distinguish in the night sky are part of the Milky Way Galaxy, but aside from these relatively nearby stars, the galaxy appears as a hazy band of white light arching around the entire celestial sphere. The light originates from stars and other material that lie within the galactic plane. Dark regions within the band, such as the Great Rift and the Coalsack, correspond to areas where light from distant stars is blocked by dark nebulae. The Milky Way has a relatively low surface brightness due to the interstellar medium that fills the galactic disk, which prevents us from seeing the bright galactic center. It is thus difficult to see from any urban or suburban location suffering from LIGHT POLLUTION.

Ursa Major (Latin: "Larger Bear"), also known as the Great Bear, is a constellation visible throughout the year in most of the northern hemisphere. It is dominated by the widely recognized asterism known as the Big Dipper or Plough, which is a useful pointer toward north, and which has mythological significance in numerous world cultures.

The Milky Way arches across this 360-degree panorama of the night sky above the Paranal platform, home of ESO’s Very Large Telescope. The image was made from 37 individual frames with a total exposure time of about 30 minutes, taken in the early morning hours. The Moon is just rising and the zodiacal light shines above it, while the Milky Way stretches across the sky opposite the observatory.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/360-degree_Panorama_of_the_Southern_Sky_edit.jpg/800px-360-degree_Panorama_of_the_Southern_Sky_edit.jpg

It is one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe.


“ You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. ”

— O'Brien

1984 The Movie - part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdyKJ1xXph8

The Pinwheel Galaxy (also known as Messier 101 or NGC 5457) is a face-on spiral galaxy distanced 25 million light-years (eight megaparsecs) away in the constellation Ursa Major.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinwheel_Galaxy

http://www.edkohout.com/mundane/arch-1.html

Read more: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/understanding-the-freemasons-cipher.html#ixzz17wEuE5R2

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The Doors

lightgiver
03-02-2011, 02:33 AM
UFO

There are three different independent videos here showing the same phenomina..

Well I can tell you its not CGI...

THis is mind boggling stuff..

My favourite bit is the American tourist in vid 3 " We seen em like that n missisipi "

Priceless:D


1st video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-bNOy_CKQ

2nd video (from guy in front of camera in last video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrmPTnhaHzs

3rd video
taken by a person who was much closer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156038

lizzy
03-02-2011, 02:50 AM
"Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy," ;) yes indeed, I have'nt gotten into the details....but I should .....we have looked up at the heavens and built accordingly , based on the simplest pre-historic / neolithic sunsise at soltice to the grand design of the last 6-26000+yrs....;)
Let's have faith that this time o'brien lives........I do vasilate..that's the duality of a gemini:D

Geez, the box was both cool and in the second ' programming?

update to last posting....sorry lg . ....there's project bluebeam that can create this and ofc the fakery.....I have no idea which....but I don't think 'they' are here.....

rodin
06-02-2011, 01:30 PM
"Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy," ;) yes indeed, I have'nt gotten into the details....but I should .....we have looked up at the heavens and built accordingly , based on the simplest pre-historic / neolithic sunsise at soltice to the grand design of the last 6-26000+yrs....;)
Let's have faith that this time o'brien lives........I do vasilate..that's the duality of a gemini:D

Geez, the box was both cool and in the second ' programming?

update to last posting....sorry lg . ....there's project bluebeam that can create this and ofc the fakery.....I have no idea which....but I don't think 'they' are here.....

IMO the fakery goes much deeper. The Old Testament is IMO a fake derived from the appropriation of real Egyptian history and re-branding it with a Jewish back-story. This reseacher thinks that the ancient Jews were really Egyptians, and provides much evidence. However he is wrong in this conclusion.

Soggin is not the only author nor source that reveals that the production of Ezra in drafting the Old Testament has within it many historical inaccuracies regarding the identity and origin for the Jewish nation which was returned to Israel by Persia following the Persian defeat of the Babylonian nation. One could go so far as to say many of these tradition given these returning Jewish captives were "made up" and this is where Ezra comes in as the Egyptian roots of the Jewish Nation is purposefully omitted and concealed by the work of Ezra and instead of identifying correctly the Pharaohs of Egypt they were purposefully characterized as Jews in giving the returning Jews a "false history" of their past which they remembered not. ....

http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/were_there_hebrew_pharaohs_egypt_2.htm

see also

http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/were_there_hebrew_pharaohs_egypt_3.htm

Truth is, IMO, that the organisation known as The Mysterious Force, or some other, faked the entire 'ancient history' provenance of this original 'Judeo-Freemasonry'. Did it even exist until well into the first millenium AD? I think not. The OT found with the Dead Sea Scrolls is part of an elaborate hoax IMO to fake an earlier provenance of the written record.

I notice on the BBC the term 'Judeo-Christianity' has replaced 'Christianity'. This gives Judaism equal billing with, and in fact places it before, Christianity. The agenda is to have Jews and Christians grouped together and to have Islam separate in public perception. In fact only Christians and Muslims respect Christ.......

How convenient that Jewish 'Scripture' used to be an 'oral tradition'....

Note that the New Testament was written down, letters etc, and many verifable early sources exist. Quite the opposite of the OT

lightgiver
06-02-2011, 03:46 PM
"Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy," ;) yes indeed, I have'nt gotten into the details....but I should .....we have looked up at the heavens and built accordingly , based on the simplest pre-historic / neolithic sunsise at soltice to the grand design of the last 6-26000+yrs....;)
Let's have faith that this time o'brien lives........I do vasilate..that's the duality of a gemini:D

Geez, the box was both cool and in the second ' programming?

update to last posting....sorry lg . ....there's project bluebeam that can create this and ofc the fakery.....I have no idea which....but I don't think 'they' are here.....

The Final Frontier ... Not really ;)

Freemasons have used ciphers since at least the 18th century. The Freemason’s Cipher is sometimes called the Pigpen Cipher, because the alphabet is written into a grid of lines, which may look like pigpens, and a cross shape from two diagonal lines. A letter is enciphered by drawing the shape of the cell that encompasses it. Freemasons learned one of the many versions of this cipher as part of the Royal Arch initiation.

These high degree ceremonies were plays that enhanced a Mason’s experience and interaction with the legends, for example, of the Temple built by King Solomon. Some believe that the French invented a degree called the Royal Arch, as a kind of completion (keystone) of the third or Master Mason degree.

However the Royal Arch was developed — and early Masonic records are notoriously incomplete — history suggests that the Royal Arch degree was being conferred in London in the 1740s. When it comes down to it, the Freemason’s Cipher (in any version) is a straight substitution cipher, so you can solve it by substituting a letter for each symbol.

The Mason's Keystone: Solving the inner degrees

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7024/apigpenmessage.png (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/apigpenmessage.png/)

They Live (1988) Part 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cmdr1X86Ac

The Andromeda Galaxy (pronounced /ænˈdrɒmədə/) is a spiral galaxy approximately 2.5 million light-years away in the constellation Andromeda. It is also known as Messier 31, M31, or NGC 224, and is often referred to as the Great Andromeda Nebula in older texts.

Pinwheel Galaxy

The Pinwheel Galaxy (also known as Messier 101 or NGC 5457) is a face-on spiral galaxy distanced 25 million light-years (eight megaparsecs) away in the constellation Ursa Major

Ursa Major (Latin: "Larger Bear"), also known as the Great Bear, is a constellation visible throughout the year in most of the northern hemisphere. It is dominated by the widely recognized asterism known as the Big Dipper or Plough, which is a useful pointer toward north, and which has mythological significance in numerous world cultures.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/M101_hires_STScI-PRC2006-10a.jpg/767px-M101_hires_STScI-PRC2006-10a.jpg

All the stars that the eye can distinguish in the night sky are part of the Milky Way Galaxy, but aside from these relatively nearby stars, the galaxy appears as a hazy band of white light arching around the entire celestial sphere. The light originates from stars and other material that lie within the galactic plane. Dark regions within the band, such as the Great Rift and the Coalsack, correspond to areas where light from distant stars is blocked by dark nebulae. The Milky Way has a relatively low surface brightness due to the interstellar medium that fills the galactic disk, which prevents us from seeing the bright galactic center. It is thus difficult to see from any urban or suburban location suffering from LIGHT POLLUTION.

Ursa Major (Latin: "Larger Bear"), also known as the Great Bear, is a constellation visible throughout the year in most of the northern hemisphere. It is dominated by the widely recognized asterism known as the Big Dipper or Plough, which is a useful pointer toward north, and which has mythological significance in numerous world cultures.

The Milky Way arches across this 360-degree panorama of the night sky above the Paranal platform, home of ESO’s Very Large Telescope. The image was made from 37 individual frames with a total exposure time of about 30 minutes, taken in the early morning hours. The Moon is just rising and the zodiacal light shines above it, while the Milky Way stretches across the sky opposite the observatory.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/360-degree_Panorama_of_the_Southern_Sky_edit.jpg/800px-360-degree_Panorama_of_the_Southern_Sky_edit.jpg

It is one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe.

1984 The Movie - part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdyKJ1xXph8

The Pinwheel Galaxy (also known as Messier 101 or NGC 5457) is a face-on spiral galaxy distanced 25 million light-years (eight megaparsecs) away in the constellation Ursa Major.



TEMPLE MOUNT = Transcendental Meditation (TM) refers to the Transcendental Meditation technique, a specific form of mantra meditation, and to the Transcendental Meditation movement, a spiritual movement

IS
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/156/lamfy.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/lamfy.jpg/)
LAM or ISIS LAM.

“ You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. ”

— O'Brien

There are three different independent videos here showing the same phenomina..

Well I can tell you its not CGI...

THis is mind boggling stuff..

My favourite bit is the American tourist in vid 3 " We seen em like that n missisipi "

Priceless:D


1st video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-bNOy_CKQ

2nd video (from guy in front of camera in last video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrmPTnhaHzs

3rd video
taken by a person who was much closer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY

They Live Part 9
They Live (1988) Part 9 - YouTube
1988

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9795/20100630183303ucxejmrwg.png (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/20100630183303ucxejmrwg.png/)


Transcendental Meditation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rodin
06-02-2011, 11:40 PM
From the same set?

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9795/20100630183303ucxejmrwg.png

http://oi33.tinypic.com/2v7ti52.jpg

rodin
08-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Egyptian Archaeologists Discover 4,300-Year-Old Tombs with Vivid Wall Paintings

SAQQARA (AP).- Egyptian archaeologists on Thursday unveiled a newly-unearthed double tomb with vivid wall paintings in the ancient necropolis of Saqqara near Cairo, saying it could be the start for uncovering a vast cemetery in the area. The tomb includes two false doors with colorful paintings depicting the two people buried there, a father and a son who served as heads of the royal scribes, said Abdel-Hakim Karar, a top archaeologist at Saqqara.

"The colors of the false door are fresh as if it was painted yesterday," Karar told reporters.

Humidity had destroyed the sarcophagus of the father, Shendwas, while the tomb of the son, Khonsu, was robbed in antiquity, he said.

Also inscribed on the father's false door was the name of Pepi II, whose 90-year reign is believed to be the longest of the pharaohs. The inscription dates the double tomb to the 6th dynasty, which marked the beginning of the decline of the Old Kingdom, also known as the age of pyramids.

Egypt's antiquities chief, Zahi Hawass, said the new finds were "the most distinguished tombs ever found from the Old Kingdom," because of their "amazing colors." He said the area, if excavated, could unveil the largest cemetery of ancient Egypt.

The paintings on the false doors identified Shendwas and Khonsu as royal scribes and "supervisors of the mission," meaning they were in charge of delegations overseeing the supply of materials used for pyramids construction.

A single shaft from the surface led down to the father's tomb, from which a side passage led to that of the son, with the false door with paintings of Khonsu in front of an offering table.

Hawass pointed to a handful of duck-shaped artifacts and a small obelisk made of limestone. Such obelisks were often buried with the dead in the 5th and 6th dynasties to show their veneration for the sun god, Ra. "These artifacts were found at the end of the burial shaft, at 18 meters (yards) depth, but we covered it up," Hawass told reporters.

Karar said that so far six tombs dating back to the end of the Old Kingdom have been unearthed since digging in the area three began three years ago. Work started on the double tomb five weeks ago. The tombs lie just west of Saqqara's most famed pyramid, the Step Pyramid of King Djoser, which is surrounded by a large burial ground, contain tombs from Egypt's earliest history up through Roman times.

http://www.artknowledgenews.com/2010-07-09-21-19-25-egyptian-archaeologists-discover-4300-year-old-tombs-with-vivid-wall-paintings.html

covered it up???? :confused:

Maybe the painting is 'fresh as if it was painted yesterday' because it was :cool:

rodin
09-02-2011, 05:06 PM
The NWO's Role in Shaping History

Most of the major wars, political upheavals, and economic depression/recessions of the past 100 years (and earlier) were carefully planned and instigated by the machinations of these elites. They include The Spanish-American War (1898), World War I and World War II; The Great Depression; the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917; the Rise of Nazi Germany; the Korean War; the Vietnam War; the 1989-91 "fall" of Soviet Communism; the 1991 Gulf War; the War in Kosovo; and the two Iraq wars. Even the French Revolution was orchestrated into existence by elements of the NWO.

The instigation of a trumped-up war as a cover for amassing fortunes which can be dated back to at least the 12th Century when only a core group of nine members of the Knights Templar, kicked off the The Crusades that lasted for over a century and a half.

http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm

Nine founders, just like The Mysterious Force

Could they be the SAME BLOODLINES?

rodin
15-02-2011, 12:08 PM
8 Jewish archaeological discoveries

From Dead Sea Scroll fragments to a ‘miracle pool’

It's been decades since the first pieces of the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in the caves of the Judean desert, but yet another piece of parchment bearing 2,000-year-old scriptures - verses from the Book of Leviticus - was found just recently. Such finds demonstrate that the Holy Land can still produce ancient treasures, thousands of years after the events described in the Bible.
Click the "Next" label to learn about seven more archaeological discoveries in recent years that have shed light on Jewish history and the Old Testament.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28162671/ns/technology_and_science-science/

From the same team that brought you

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157826

rodin
17-02-2011, 09:09 AM
....Notice that so many of the masonic jewish names are referencing mined metals and stones.
All the bergs and steins and golds and silvers

ie: steinberg, rothstein, rothschild, steinem, spielberg, goldberg, goldman, goldstein, feingold, feinstein, einstein, bergman, silverstein, goldberg, ruby, rubenstein, greenberg, greenstein, bluestein,etc. etc. etc. ....

Wow. What a 'gem' you have come up with there. Let's not forget the Diamonds, and the Kings and the Princes, Solomons, etc

john devine
26-02-2011, 08:25 PM
For clarification- my question was only related to an avatar I previously used here and not the current one that has now been commented on.

Since the beginning of recorded history mankind has been involved in a continuous struggle between good and evil, between the spiritual forces of light and the spiritual forces of darkness. No place in Scripture is there an admonition for believers to be passive bystanders.

Throughout history those working for good have worked openly and often alone. Those working for evil have worked in secret and have usually been organized.
Because of this, the secret side of history has often been the instigator of major world events.

Which path are you on kadosh, the left or right ?

mahabaratara
26-02-2011, 10:49 PM
Actually its about balance.

There are far more than two paths.

Nature shows us this truth.

boots
26-02-2011, 11:17 PM
From the same set?

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9795/20100630183303ucxejmrwg.png

http://oi33.tinypic.com/2v7ti52.jpg

http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/dark/images/c111_occult_government.jpghttp://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/dark/images/c115_government_freemason.jpghttp://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/dark/images/c112_illuminati_government.jpghttp://www.hollywoodinsiders.net/dark/images/c206_occult_government.jpg

rodin
27-02-2011, 02:17 PM
Not QUITE fair.

"Patrick (sic St Patrick) had endeavoured to convert pagan Judaistic Ireland before even the Roman Catholic Church had taken hold on the people. Dr. O'Donovan, upon the Four Masters, states in fact that, "Nothing is clearer than that Patrick engrafted Christianity on the pagan superstitions with so much skill that he won the people over to the Christian religion before they understood the exact difference between the two systems of beliefs;"....(

I am interested in what you mean by 'Pagan Judaistic Ireland'

rodin
11-03-2011, 12:08 PM
Nero was a Jew. Jesus wasn't. According to Jews

www.jewornotjew.com

sarius
12-03-2011, 08:06 AM
Hey Rodin, I doubt it goes back further than 1000 years. Mostly because i suspect the ancient world is about as real as Tolkien's middle earth but that's another story.

Funny how the Crusades happened 1000 years after Christ's death and not soon after like you'd expect. Or how the Shroud dates to the middle ages. You might even notice how many texts that re-appear in the middle ages, were strangely lost for hundreds of years.

offramp
12-03-2011, 08:32 AM
Nero was a Jew. Jesus wasn't. According to Jews

www.jewornotjew.com

At http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=476 the verdict for Nero is Not a jew.

The verdict for Jesus http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=20 is "Sadly, a Jew".

You must have misread it.

rodin
12-03-2011, 08:07 PM
At http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=476 the verdict for Nero is Not a jew.

The verdict for Jesus http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=20 is "Sadly, a Jew".

You must have misread it.

I quoted another poster from another thread, maybe the verdict has been changed since?

rodin
14-03-2011, 08:34 PM
I quoted another poster from another thread, maybe the verdict has been changed since?

here is the link

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059741138&postcount=12

offramp
01-04-2011, 11:48 AM
I quoted another poster from another thread, maybe the verdict has been changed since?
I believe this is why people are encouraged not to rely on secondary sources. It would not have been hard to click on the site and look it up, would it? It took me about 40 seconds.

rodin
01-04-2011, 07:31 PM
I believe this is why people are encouraged not to rely on secondary sources. It would not have been hard to click on the site and look it up, would it? It took me about 40 seconds.

The site has been sanitized since being flagged up

July 28, 1929 – May 19, 1994
According to author Gore Vidal, his step-sister, Jackie Kennedy...

Wait a minute. How on earth are these two step-siblings? Let's see.

Vidal's mother, Nina Gore, was the second wife of Hugh Auchincloss. Auchincloss' third wife was Janet Lee Bouvier, Jackie's mother. (This was Janet's second of three marriages.) So yeah, we guess one can call them step-siblings. And they're also supposedly cousins. And they say Jewish ancestry is hard to figure out.

Anyway, according to Vidal, Jackie was part Jewish. Supposedly, Jackie's mother, who was born Janet Lee, was really Janet Levy, with her father (Jackie's grandfather) anglicizing his name to become a vice president of the Morgan bank. Vidal's mother made sure to point that out.

Now, normally when we would take a relative's word, but here it seems a bit fishy. So we dug up Jackie's ancestry, and it looks that not only was her grandfather was born James Lee (not Levy), HIS father (Jackie's great-grandfather) was also James Lee. So either the Levy origins are REALLY well hidden, or Vidal's mother was just jealous of the woman who replaced her.

Oh, those petty socialites!

Verdict: Not a Jew.

http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1025

She was the Jew assassin of JFK

torus
17-04-2011, 08:32 PM
OK I need some help here - Why is the Number 11 so important to Kabbollox?

The Star of David = 7 I learned from Wiccapedo

I am thinking 911 and 7/7 are Judeo Masonic events of great significance to them

Also Apollo 11 thru to Apollo 17 from Freemasonic NASA ties in

The 11th and invisible sephiroth, "Da'ath"

torus
17-04-2011, 08:40 PM
Da'at or Daas ("Knowledge", Hebrew: דעת [ˈdaʕaθ]) in Jewish mysticism, called Kabbalah, is the location (the mystical state) where all ten sephirot in the Tree of Life are united as one. Wasn't "knowledge" part of the fall? Of course, lights descent into matter and molecular constraints only to make the "turn" into plants, animals, and then man who can document the "fall" and ressurection.

I also speculate that it has something to due with 1. point, 2. line, 3. surface, and 4. form (4orm)

coupled with the topology of the torus and its respective 7 colour map

for "11"

torus
17-04-2011, 08:55 PM
"man asks for bread, and science gives him a stone. He had better turn back to the old myths and get the story of wholeness."
Arthur Young

whOleness

"This brings me to one more basic idea which is important to the theory of process, an idea that is expressed in the old myths, in Plato, in almost every religion: that of a 'fall', a descent into matter, often though not always followed by an ascent back to the celestial spheres and a higher state of being. This idea is rather at odds with current rational thinking, which regards itself as having outgrown such superstitious guilt-ridden notions, and as now enjoying the "enlightenment" provided by science.

However, recent developments in physics, quantum physics in particular, when properly understood, provide confirmation for the ancient notion of a fall. We may now show that it is true, in fact, that a fall occurs, for the same process by which light first precipitates or condenses into matter - losing a degree of freedom in exchange for permanence - is continued with the generation of atoms and molecules, so that in the grand scheme of evolution the first four stages constitute a descent from the freedom of light to the inertness that characterizes minerals."

Young, The Reflexive Universe

rodin
18-04-2011, 01:23 PM
Da'at or Daas ("Knowledge", Hebrew: דעת [ˈdaʕaθ]) in Jewish mysticism, called Kabbalah, is the location (the mystical state) where all ten sephirot in the Tree of Life are united as one. Wasn't "knowledge" part of the fall? Of course, lights descent into matter and molecular constraints only to make the "turn" into plants, animals, and then man who can document the "fall" and ressurection.

I also speculate that it has something to due with 1. point, 2. line, 3. surface, and 4. form (4orm)

coupled with the topology of the torus and its respective 7 colour map

for "11"

knowledge is anathemic to innocence, true, but without it God cannot judge character. It is what one chooses to do with free will and information that separates the wheat from the chaff in God's all-seeing eye(s)

heck, even demons always know when someone gets out an OIUJA board. One wonders how much malign interaction there is between Pharisee Juadism/Freemasonry with the sub-subatomic realm, that with which light itself (lux) is a derivative of....

As above (in scale) so below. The fractal universe of 3 dimensions in which net net ENTROPY DOES NOT INCREASE

The crawling chaos, Nyarthlotep, as described by H P Lovecraft and others who built the Cthulhu Mythos, is an anagram of 'halt entropy'. More dots connected for me.

agneau
18-04-2011, 01:28 PM
heck, even demons always know when someone gets out an OIUJA board. One wonders how much malign interaction there is between Pharisee Juadism/Freemasonry with the sub-subatomic realm,....

Lots and lots. We're SOOOO big in our dealings with the sub-atomic realm that it's frightening. Most of the atomic particles are 99th degree msonic adepts, and this is how we control the quarks.

You'd make a good quark.

rodin
18-04-2011, 01:51 PM
Lots and lots. We're SOOOO big in our dealings with the sub-atomic realm that it's frightening. Most of the atomic particles are 99th degree msonic adepts, and this is how we control the quarks.

You'd make a good quark.

up down what colour charge etc? could you be more specific?

Most think the sacrifice thing is just some weird tradition, I am not so sure. The OIUJA board works, proof of an outside influence. As a scientist I have to work out where from and how this influence manifests itself. I think I have more of a clue about this than 99% of this forum, despite being a rationalist in essence.

I am of the opinion there is indeed a sub-subatomic aether. Light is a shear wave thru it. Matter cannot see it. If as I think it exists then it can also be an environment where self organisation is possible. Projections ito lower frequency manifestations we can detect would be possible using subharmonics. Trawling the 'aether' for OUIJA board or any other occult ritual by aetheric intelligence 24/7 over all Earth, say, piece of cake. heck, we have search engines that call up info in a flash...

Why can we polarise light?

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/Ultrasonics/EquipmentTrans/ematshearwave.htm

humason
18-04-2011, 02:22 PM
up down what colour charge etc? could you be more specific?

Strange.

Definitely strange. :o

rodin
20-05-2011, 07:26 PM
page 40-43:
"Oriental despotism has become especially predominant in all of our
legal proceedings, the "court"[5] where the despot rules, the symbolic
bow, or standing, when the despot comes into the room, and the
refusal of the despot to brook any questioning of his decision by a
citizen [5a], who can approach the judge only through an anointed
priesthood, the legal profession[6][7]. Some Americans optimistically
decide to come into court representing themselves, which the People
of Shem provided for specifically in their Constitution of the
United States, but judges usually give such "attorneys pro se"
short shrift.

In states such as Virginia, where Masonic power rules the courts,
judges have been known to boast that no attorney pro se will ever
get a favorable decision in their court. A non-Mason who enters an
American court today is placing himself at the mercy of an Oriental
despot, hence the tyrannical actions of judges in sentencing to
indeterminate prison sentences anyone who happens to displease
them, or whose property is coveted by a Mason.

This Oriental type of despotism can be traced back to Zoroaster in
Persia, to Ishtar and Tammuz in Babylon, to the graeco-Thracian
Mysteries at Eleusis, the Mysteries of Demeter, Persephone, and
Dionysus; to Cybele and Altis in Phrygia; to Aphrodite and Adonis
in Syria; to Isis ans Osiris in Egypt; and to Mithra in Persia [8].

These Mystery cults were formally combined into much of the text of
the Babylonian Talmud, a book of religious precepts which had been
formulated after the fall of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar
took his people to Babylon as captives from 586 to 537 B.C., after
which Cyrus of Persia captured Babylon and authorized the return to
Jerusalem. During the Babylonian captivity, there was a free
admixture of the various Canaanite tribes; the Edomites
intermarried with the Canaanite branch of Judahites and others.
Edom means red; ever since the Captivity, red has meant revolution
and Canaanite massacre of the innocents. The Rothschild's, when they
backed the formation of the Illuminati, changed their name from
Bauer to Roth (red) schild (shield). This inter-mixture of various
strains caused a great deal of confusion among the offspring as to
what their customs should be. To resolve this difficulty, the
captives began to compile a great book of religious teachings.

Talmud means "teaching" in Hebrew. By the second century A.D., the
Talmud had been completed as oral law, the Mishnah, or older part,
and the Gemara, or commentary on the law. It first appeared in
print in 1520, when Daniel Bomberg published it in Venice [4].

Because of its origins in the demon-worshiping capital of the
world, Babylon, demonology plays an important part throughout the
text of the Talmud. It refers to the Demiurge, or Chief Demon, as
the Creator of the Universe, and it defines the various appearances
of demons as (1) mazzikem; (2) shedim; (3) ruhot (Avot. 5-6).
Asmodeus is listed as the King of the Demons (Pes. 110a-112b).

The Mishnah taught in the second century B.C. that two things
should never be revealed to the public, or the uninitiated: (1) the
work of creation, and (2) the work of the chariot (meaning esoteric
operations, the "Divine Throne"). These precepts later became
further formalized in the secret rites of Freemasonry.


In 1280 A.D., a further development of Talmudic thought, the Zohar,
or Book of Splendour, appeared. This was known as the Cabal, or
tradition. It was based on two things: (1) generation, or the
fertility rites, as the most sacred word in the new instructions
(which, of course, also became the "G" featured in Masonic
symbols), and (2) the precept that Israel alone is to possess the
future world (Vayschleh folio 177b).

The Zohar derived from the Sefer Yetsirah, or Book of Creation,
which had appeared in the Babylon of the third century; the ten
Sephiroth or numbers, based on the belief that the universe derives
from the ten numbers and two letters of the Hebrew alphabet; this
later was developed into the twenty-two trumps of Tarot, or the
twenty-two Paths which lead to Sephotorth.

In Cabala(*)[9], evil takes on a mysterious existence of its own,
which its precepts trace back to the physical appearance of life on
earth, or Adam. Cabala claims that Adam throws the entire stream
of life out of balance, and that the Church, or Christianity, by
formalizing the physical existence of the Adamite people on earth,
have become a problem which must be resolved. This is the essence
of the basic anti-life principle underlying all Cabala and its
heir, Freemasonry. These precepts declare that Satanism will
achieve its final triumph over the Church and Christianity, thus
ending the "dualism" of this world, the struggle between good and
evil. In short, the problem of good and evil will be ended when
evil triumphs and good is eliminated from the earth. This program
may sound somewhat simplistic, but it is the basic premise of the
Cabala and Freemasonry.

These anti-life precepts are now to be encountered, and dealt with,
in many of the developments of our civilization. The descendants of
the Canaanites instinctively hate and actively oppose such progress
as technology, urban life, industrialism, and the cultural
achievements of humanity. Their basic goal is to return earth to
the primitivism of its pre-Adamic state, when a Neanderthal type of
human roamed at will over an earth which had no "civilized" aspects
to remind him of his primitivism. The end purpose is to "restore"
pre-Adamic man, so that Adamite man, as a creation of God, no
longer presents an obstacle to Satan and his rule over this world.
Thus cabbalistic Freemasonry aims for the extermination of life [12][13]
as we know it, culminating in the final triumph of the Canaanite Curse
on this earth. In retrospect this amazing observation offers an
irrefutable reason for the otherwise inexplicable massacres, wars,
and human devastation which have been regularly visited upon a
long-suffering humanity by the Canaanite conspirators.

(*) Cabala appears in various spellings through history, principally
"Cabala." Also Kabbalah, Kabala, etc."

page 64:
"Continuous damage is done to the entire economy by the existence
of a small, supersecret group which controls all advancement in
business and the professions, which control the issuance of bank
loans, entering into a publishing business such as books,
magazines, or newspapers, operating a radio and television station,
chartering a bank, and many avenues of trade.

Parents always want the best possible future for their children,
making great sacrifices to put them through school and to send them
to college. They never realize that without the "Open Sesame" of
the Masonic Order, their children are condemned to be hewers of
wood and drawers of water, that they can never hope to earn any
large sums or to make advancements in their field. Everything is
already pre-empted by the Canaanites for their own kind. Only the
children of the conspiratorial elite will be admitted to the best
schools, be offered the best jobs, and live the good life. For the
rest of America, the party is over."

Book online

http://www.scribd.com/doc/43083011/Eustace-Mullins-The-Curse-of-Canaan

dr steam
24-05-2011, 07:59 AM
As the Son of God.

If it were true that the Freemasons acknowledge Jesus as God's son so it makes some question as

Why is it that masonic time-line so with the Jews who follow the Old Testament from 6011 instead of 2011?

just one could think that it is for the same reason as for the Jews...!


By the way this is a very interesting and informative thread

eppyone
24-05-2011, 01:07 PM
If it were true that the Freemasons acknowledge Jesus as God's son
Some do, some don't. Freemasonry does not need to be generalised.

dr steam
24-05-2011, 01:51 PM
Some do, some don't. Freemasonry does not need to be generalised.




it sounds quite frankly like a comfortable pseudo-explanation, because it is perhaps not a comfortable question...

eppyone
24-05-2011, 04:17 PM
I'm totally comfortable saying that Jesus was probably a real cool dude. And not worthy of mass worship. Many other Mason's will disagree with me.

If one choose's, he can apply his religion to his Freemasonry(which happens far too much around here IMHO) or vise-versa, but Freemasonry is non-denominational.

I hope that help's. Quite frankly, I couldn't understand the rest of your post, that's the reason I snipped that one bit to reply to.

dr steam
24-05-2011, 08:06 PM
I'm totally comfortable saying that Jesus was probably a real cool dude. And not worthy of mass worship. Many other Mason's will disagree with me.

If one choose's, he can apply his religion to his Freemasonry(which happens far too much around here IMHO) or vise-versa, but Freemasonry is non-denominational.

I hope that help's. Quite frankly, I couldn't understand the rest of your post, that's the reason I snipped that one bit to reply to.

Tanks for answer

If I understand this correctly it means that the official chronology changes little as it wishes,in the various lodges between and that some choose 2011 and others choose 6011 depending according to respectively the new and old testament
Is this how it should be understood?

And it is a mistake to say that Masons only sticks to the Old Testament time line , just as the Jews which rejects the New Testament and its time line?

rodin
17-06-2011, 10:48 PM
COMPARISON OF EGYPTIAN SYMBOLS WITH THOSE OF THE HEBREWS
By FREDERIC PORTAL.

"The Symbols of the Egyptians are like unto those of the Hebrews."

(Clement of Alexandria, Stromaiu, V.)

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=14643

Actually the other way about....

Read this thread start to finish to see the big picture I am painting

dr steam
20-06-2011, 11:50 PM
Read this thread start to finish to see the big picture I am painting

It is an interesting thread rodin but very long and which has also been derailed more than a few times maybe you could briefly summarize the big painting of your thesis and get back on track?

rodin
21-06-2011, 10:27 PM
It is an interesting thread rodin but very long and which has also been derailed more than a few times maybe you could briefly summarize the big painting of your thesis and get back on track?

Hi Steam.

Briefly Craft Freemasonry was usurped by Jews on 1717. Judaism is a forgery, not the Protocols. Judiasm and the Old Testament are nicked from Egypt as is Freemasonry now.

The Oral Tradition never existed. Yet another hoax. Start out by reading the germinator for this thread, the book 'Dissipation of the Darkness'

As with the Holocaust there are only blatantly faked artifacts 'proving' ancient Judaism

offramp
27-06-2011, 05:09 AM
... Many other Mason's will disagree with me...
If one choose's.... I hope that help's...
Plea's do'n't overyou's appo's-trophe's.

rodin
01-07-2011, 09:15 PM
Plea's do'n't overyou's appo's-trophe's.

That's Masonic Grammar

B'nai B'rith

eppyone
01-07-2011, 09:19 PM
Plea's do'n't overyou's appo's-trophe's.

Okiedokie. If you'll try to spell a little better.:)

marpat
01-07-2011, 09:55 PM
If it were true that the Freemasons acknowledge Jesus as God's son so it makes some question as

Why is it that masonic time-line so with the Jews who follow the Old Testament from 6011 instead of 2011?

just one could think that it is for the same reason as for the Jews...!


By the way this is a very interesting and informative thread

I think there may be a slight confusion here. GS follows a different type of freemasonry where members are all christians. He is not a member of the UGLE. UGLE members are not required to be christians but have to profess a belief in God to join. SO for his type of freemasonry they would accept jesus as such but in the UGLE there is no requirement.

marpat
01-07-2011, 10:00 PM
it sounds quite frankly like a comfortable pseudo-explanation, because it is perhaps not a comfortable question...

Not an uncomfortable question at all. For christian masons it obviously is a requirement to accept jesus (as it is their faith), and to join some masonic order you have to profess the christian faith. For many other masonic orders you do not need to be a christian, just believe in the God. It is the religion of the individual that dictates whether a person believes in jesus or not and freemasonry does not push anybody into a particular brand of faith or belief.

rodin
01-07-2011, 10:17 PM
Not an uncomfortable question at all. For christian masons it obviously is a requirement to accept jesus (as it is their faith), and to join some masonic order you have to profess the christian faith. For many other masonic orders you do not need to be a christian, just believe in the God. It is the religion of the individual that dictates whether a person believes in jesus or not and freemasonry does not push anybody into a particular brand of faith or belief.

Thou then who hast trials and troubles, rejoice because of them, for in them is Strength, and by their means is a pathway opened unto that Light-
Aleister Crowley, Liber Librae

Society has had bad masters, who, wishing to increase their material wealth and luxury, tried every means to force men to slave for them, instead of being independent units - The Magical record of the Beast 666, page 129

Are you a freemason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVGbzIpcokhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqVGbzIpcok

munkdo
02-07-2011, 09:39 AM
You have a particular obsession with Jews Rodin. What's all that about?

marpat
02-07-2011, 07:45 PM
Are you a freemason?


Yes I am, what are you?

marpat
02-07-2011, 07:46 PM
You have a particular obsession with Jews Rodin. What's all that about?

He certainly does. Check his posts and they are all about attacking jews for anything he can possibly imagine

ellis_deatrip
02-07-2011, 08:14 PM
You have a particular obsession with Jews Rodin. What's all that about?
It's about Jews?
:D

"ı ɐɯ ʇɥǝ ʍɐlɹns"?
Your signature suggests an obsession with the Beatles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=851GN-Eeuq0

tinyint
03-07-2011, 12:23 AM
The Nephilim (plural) are a group mentioned twice in the Hebrew Bible; in Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33. The Nephilim are said to be the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men." Traditions about the Nephilim being the offspring of unions between angels and humans are found in a number of Jewish and Christian writings. It is believed by many Orthodox Jews that the Nephilim are rather the descendents of human nobility. It is believed by others that the "sons of God" who fathered the Nephilim spoken of in the text were in fact the formerly righteous descendants of Seth who rebelled, while the "daughters of men" were the unrighteous descendants of Cain, and the Nephilim the offspring of their union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim


The Book of Enoch (also 1 Enoch[1]) is an ancient Jewish religious work, ascribed to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah. It is not currently regarded as part of the Canon of Scripture as used by Jews, apart from the Beta Israel canon. It is regarded as canon by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and Eritrean Orthodox Church but no other Christian group.

Western scholars believe that its older sections (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) date from about 300 BC and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably was composed at the end of the 1st century BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

Most scholars consider 2 Enoch to be composed by an unknown Jewish sectarian group, while some authors think it is a 1st century Christian text.[2][3] A very few scholars consider it a later Christian work.[4] This article discusses 2 Enoch. It is distinct from the Book of Enoch, known as 1 Enoch. There is also an unrelated 3 Enoch. The numbering of these texts has been applied by scholars to distinguish the texts from one another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Book_of_Enoch


The Ugaritic language, discovered by French archaeologists in 1928, is known only in the form of writings found in the lost city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra), Syria.[1] It has been used by scholars of the Old Testament to clarify Biblical Hebrew texts and has revealed ways in which ancient Israelite culture finds parallels in the neighboring cultures.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugaritic


Sons of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Watchers (Aramaic, עִירִין iyrin) is a term found in the Old Testament Book of Daniel, and later sources, which is connected to angels. In Daniel, these are obedient angels, in the Book of Enoch they are referred to as fallen angels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_%28angel%29


.

rodin
03-07-2011, 09:00 AM
I suspect the entire Jewish back-history has been faked. Plenty evidence and links for that theory are embedded in this thread, but it would be like finding a needle in a haystack now.

To the person who asks 'am I obsessed with Jews' the answer is no - I am obsessed with truth. The Jewish power system is the major Earthly roadblock to getting to truth.

Also this is essentially a 'conspiracy' site. Well I spend quite some time unpicking the biggest conspiracy of all.

And lastly, when you find resonance between 911, the Money System and the New Testament best to pay attention. That's a 2000 year provenance of confirmation

rodin
03-07-2011, 09:01 AM
Yes I am, what are you?

A free thinker with no respect for ritual and a love of Jesus

Are you also a Satanist?

girlgye
03-07-2011, 09:46 AM
From what I have been able to find out...

Craft Masonry was an artisans society, Christian in nature, comradely

Modern Freemasonry was started in 1717



....and was based on a previous secret society called 'The Mystery Power'



Narrative from the secret documentation of 'The Mystery Power' handed down thru generations by nine originator bloodlines





http://heygeorge5.tripod.com/id5.html

truth or fiction I cannot say but it resonates with EVERYTHING I have divined about Hoaxes R Us so far

edit

errata not the mystery power. The true name was 'the mysterious force' aka the mystery religion IMO a load of hokum

And here we go again with your Jews did it all obsession.

Actually it is mooted that the whole reptilian agenda started in Egypt. Wrong. The Bosnian Pyramids trump that idea. As does the under ground city found in India.

So what now?

boots
03-07-2011, 10:04 AM
And here we go again with your Jews did it all obsession.

Actually it is mooted that the whole reptilian agenda started in Egypt. Wrong. The Bosnian Pyramids trump that idea. As does the under ground city found in India.

So what now?


+ 2

"what now"

He'll keep on repeating the same old thing, without learning anything.

Rodin will never know the true meaning of freemasonry, thats not his agenda.


I've touched on the subject in this thread,

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=169422

Which Stewart Edwards is the only Mason who's had the balls to discuss it.

girlgye
04-07-2011, 12:51 AM
+ 2

"what now"

He'll keep on repeating the same old thing, without learning anything.

Rodin will never know the true meaning of freemasonry, thats not his agenda.


I've touched on the subject in this thread,

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=169422

Which Stewart Edwards is the only Mason who's had the balls to discuss it.

Thanks for the link. I will read it when I get the chance looks interesting.

rodin
09-07-2011, 10:48 AM
This thread started off with the treatise 'Dissipation of the Darkness' - which suggests modern (post 1717) Freemasonry was an extension of a secret society formed in 43 AD by 9 Jews.

In Palestine after the Babylonian captivity there was a great lower stratum of non-Jews ruled over by Jewish moneylenders, powerful through their usury. One can read that in the book of Nehemiah. Sombart says that it leaves absolutely nothing to be desired in the way of clarity. [32] The outstanding point is that the real population, composed of oppressed peasants, was of an entirely different race than the Hebrews. Gradually the Jews forced their religion on them. Christ himself growled about that: 'Woe onto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye encompass sea and land to make one proselyte...' (Matthew 23:15).To the Jews, Galilee was the land of the Gentiles, whose population 'sat in darkness,' as they impudently imagined (Matthew 4:15-16). They said: Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?' and 'Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet' (John 1:46; 7:52). The Hebrews were so firmly convinced of the non-Jewish ancestry of Christ that they counted him among the especially hated Samaritans (John 7:48)

Then there was 1517

Schopenhauer expressed a similar opinion," I confirmed. "He said that if one wants to understand the Old Testament one must read it in the Greek version. There it has an entirely different tone, an entirely different color, with no presentiment of Christianity! Contrasted with the Greek, Luther's translation seems 'pious'; also 'often erroneous, indeed, sometimes intentionally, and delivered throughout in a churchly, edifying tone.' Luther has permitted himself changes 'which one could call forgeries' and so on." [45]

"Not Luther," he raised his finger. "The rabbis who helped him with the entire translation introduced changes and forgeries. Hebrew is a difficult language. Luther translated a certain word, for example, as 'racial kinsman.' But then the rabbi came in and said that the word means 'neighbor.' And so we have the translation: 'Love thy neighbor as thyself,' rather than, as it should be: 'Love thy racial kinsman as thyself.' A small piece of cunning, but -- it served its purpose of giving the Jews the aspect of real humanitarians."

and in 1917 the Russian Revolution and Balfour Declaration.

Bolshevism from Moses

http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?topic=13230.0

tinyint
09-07-2011, 12:39 PM
"Not Luther," he raised his finger. "The rabbis who helped him with the entire translation introduced changes and forgeries. Hebrew is a difficult language. Luther translated a certain word, for example, as 'racial kinsman.' But then the rabbi came in and said that the word means 'neighbor.' And so we have the translation: 'Love thy neighbor as thyself,' rather than, as it should be: 'Love thy racial kinsman as thyself.' A small piece of cunning, but -- it served its purpose of giving the Jews the aspect of real humanitarians."

I think Luther became aware of this, which resulted in his late "On the Jews and their Lies"
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059813239&postcount=53

Its apparently prohibited in zog and mason infested germany, which is quite amazing, considering Luther was such an important person in German history, father of the protestants here, which influenced the German Peasants' War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In historiography, the German Peasants' War also formed the basis of Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx's concept of historical materialism. Engels described the peasants' failure in 1524–1526, in his monumental work, The Peasant War in Germany.

Additionally, Engels views the peasant war from the point of view of class struggle and Engels viewed Capitalism and Protestantism as being associated.

Engels' remarks on the peasant-plebeian leader Thomas Müntzer are interesting, though controversial. They became an issue during debates about how to develop socialism in the Soviet Union. Engels took the view that Müntzer had ideas ahead of his time and was therefore doomed to defeat in the immediate conflict.

GDR seemed to had favoured Engels. Thomas Müntzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was made kind of red hero.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/5-Mark-1975.jpg

When the Zwickau authorities expelled Müntzer in April 1521, he fled to Prague. He was initially feted in the town when he arrived in June, welcomed as a follower of Luther, with accommodation provided for him and invitations to preach in Latin and German in the University chapels. For unknown reasons, however, by November he was far less welcome. That month he wrote the Prague Manifesto.

At 1956, the East German studio DEFA produced Thomas Müntzer, a biographical film about the priest's life, directed by Martin Hellberg and starring Wolfgang Stumpf in the title role.

rodin
11-07-2011, 11:38 PM
I think Luther became aware of this, which resulted in his late "On the Jews and their Lies"
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059813239&postcount=53

Its apparently prohibited in zog and mason infested germany, which is quite amazing, considering Luther was such an important person in German history, father of the protestants here, which influenced the peasant war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants%27_War)....

Napoleon - he was another who turned on them in the end after helping them.

You have to wonder if the revelation just before death may have hastened it...

tinyint
12-07-2011, 12:01 AM
Napoleon - he was another who turned on them in the end after helping them.

You have to wonder if the revelation just before death may have hastened it...

"Wider das Bapsttum zu Rom vom Teuffel gestifft!"

His almost last words, translating into something like,
"down with the papacy of Rome founded by the devil"

He mainly also intensified his fight against Rome in his very latest years.

As previously said, a "truther" of his time. :D

it may well be possible the Medici who are famous for poison or someone else slowly poisoned him.
But this is just speculation and difficult to impossible to verify.
Facts are, he was ill in the late years.

But Napoleon I read was proven poisoned on St Helena, where the poison was in the wallpaper of his prison, which allegedly caused stomach cancer.

PS: The Vril-Society met in Cafe Schopenhauer in Vienna, iirc 1919.

marpat
12-07-2011, 01:32 AM
A free thinker with no respect for ritual and a love of Jesus

Are you also a Satanist?

Lol, I thought as much, a jew hating christian who thinks he is better than others.

Are you judging me? that is against the teachings of jesus. Maybe you should follow his example if you love him

marpat
12-07-2011, 01:34 AM
+ 2

"what now"

He'll keep on repeating the same old thing, without learning anything.

Rodin will never know the true meaning of freemasonry, thats not his agenda.


I've touched on the subject in this thread,

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=169422

Which Stewart Edwards is the only Mason who's had the balls to discuss it.

Dont you think his stance is based on the fact that he got blackballed? Nothing like rejection to fire a mans anger is there

Plenty of people have discussed freemasonry but the fact is that the conspiracy tards only want to believe their own creations, or the creations of their gurus.

offramp
12-07-2011, 06:52 AM
But Napoleon I read was proven poisoned on St Helena, where the poison was in the wallpaper of his prison, which allegedly caused stomach cancer...
Why was Napoleon eating his wallpaper?

stewart edwards
12-07-2011, 07:13 AM
Dont you think his stance is based on the fact that he got blackballed? Nothing like rejection to fire a mans anger is thereAny ugle mason who really believes this needs to talk to the secretary of the lodge concerned. Remind him of my brief conversation on his doorstep and ask to see my full page letter to the lodge thanking them for considering my application.


Geepers, anger? That rejection immediately opened masonic doors for me and positively enabled me. Within weeks I was in GQS (both in pubs and in ugle HQ) meeting with other ugle masons discussing their lodges. It was only after I chose not to pursue any leads that some masons started publicly and privately tell me about the "unwritten rules" that could easily prevent me ever being accepted now (though some masons do claim no knowledge of these unwritten rules). Anyhow in terms of ugle, as it was an ugle lodge that rejected me, pretty soon afterwards, as I say in the belly of the beast, I met with one mason who was quite direct about the possibility of me joining his london lodge, another who offered to help me "get in" and who coincidentally could use my professional qualifications with a little urgent business project of his (and there were plenty of witnesses to this), while another couple (the one that I would have been most inclined to petition) met with me in the Pillars and simply talked around the subject [as they could easily be posters here I have no idea if you would have accepted a petition back then, but if so the time simply was not right to repetition, but my wife and I did/do value your chat].

I may have many emotions towards freemasonry, but anger over being reject certainly isnt one of them marpat.

rodin
12-07-2011, 07:13 AM
Lol, I thought as much, a jew hating christian who thinks he is better than others.

Are you judging me? that is against the teachings of jesus. Maybe you should follow his example if you love him

I'll take that as a yes :D

stewart edwards
12-07-2011, 07:29 AM
Re my above post, here is a copy of the letter that I hand delivered to the lodge secretary at his home and placed it in his hand - depersonalised obviously.


15 December 2003

Dear Mr XXXXX

Thank you for your letter of 10 December.

While I am clearly disappointed, I thought that I would write to thank you and your brothers for spending the time considering my application. I may bumble along, but I have already learnt a great deal from Freemasonry, and I am sure that I will continue to do so. It is just a pity that I could not learn from you, but such is.

Out of interest how would you feel if I were to ask to visit your lodge in the future, once I am suitably qualified? I would understand if you would prefer me not to do this, and think that in the circumstances it only polite of me to ask. While I have already been approached by one of your brothers from another lodge, I have declined for the moment. I think that I will reflect for a while before reapplying, but I have no doubts that I will apply again at some stage.

Finally, should you ever hear of a charitable event that requires a very amateurish magician to spend a little time entertaining, preferably the under tens (I find that over tens tend to spend too much time trying to work out how tricks are done), then please feel free to let me know. I recently put a brief act together for a birthday party and rather enjoyed myself and quite like the idea of doing it again. And the kids laughed so it could not have been that bad.

I genuinely wish you well, and if my joining your lodge would have been a problem for some of your brothers, then it is for the best that you have rejected me.

Finally can I ask you to pass my thanks on to those brothers who were involved, particularly XXXX.

Yours sincerely


Stewart Edwards

marpat
13-07-2011, 12:03 AM
I'll take that as a yes :D

Well that just proves how blind and ignorant you are then. You dont even follow the teachings of jesus, being full of hate and judgment

rodin
13-07-2011, 10:36 AM
Are you also a Satanist?

<drivel from marpat but no denial>

I'll take that as a yes

Well that just proves how blind and ignorant you are then. You dont even follow the teachings of jesus, being full of hate and judgment

Not really paying attention to sequiter were you?

rodin
13-07-2011, 10:44 AM
The Kaballah

In the decades of the 70s, 80s, and 90s, the hottest spiritual trend was the New Age movement. As we move forward through the first decade of the 21st century, the latest cure-all spiritual phenomenon bought by the gullible masses seems to be the Jewish Cabala (or Kabbalah). The newfound popularity of this end-time sorcery is not by accident. Its emergence is a carefully planned Illuminati event.

The Cabala is not new. It’s been around for centuries. The Cabala is actually ancient magic. It is an exotic blend of devilish, sometimes fanciful, New Age mystical practices topped by a philosophical bent of Jewish supremacism. Orthodox Judaism, or phariseeism, is rife with cabalism, and Jewish rabbis are the Cabala’s greatest promoters.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/mr_spock.jpg

Mr. Spock, a Star Trek character played by actor Leonard Nimoy, became famous for giving the Vulcan greeting with his right hand. Nimoy, a Jew, says that the sign is the same gesture given in Jewish synagogues when the rabbi and elders bring out the Holy of Holies. It is based on the Hebrew letter "shin." In essence, on the popular TV show, every time Spock gave the "shin" Vulcan greeting hand sign, he was invoking cabalistic magic.

Freemasonry has long praised the Cabala, and its top officials have admitted that the Lodge’s rituals and teachings are but the offspring of the Jewish tradition. Albert Pike, former Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, wrote: "One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sanctuary of the Cabala."

In 1855, the renowned Rabbi Isaac Wise wrote: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."

The Jewish Tribune newspaper, in 1927, in an editorial, stated: "Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?"

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/rabbi_with_chicken.jpg

Sorcery is common-place in the depraved religious rituals of cabalistic Judaism. Here a rabbi is seen carrying a chicken off to be sacrificed in a voodoo/ Santeria-type ritual during the Jewish festival of Yom Kippur. (Photo: Israel, A Photobiography, by Micha Bar-Am, New York: Simon & Schuster, 1998)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/jewish_cabala.htm

So writes Texe Marrs

He also believes the Old Testament is a real Holy Book

I think the OT was concocted to let Jews control Christianity

The Kaballah (pt 2 of the youtube posted by yourot)

Kabbalah. The Jewish book of magic (part 2) - YouTube

Makes again the excellent point that Catholicism resembles Judaism. Already I said confessions are a route to blackmail.

The above video pushes the meme of 'Solomon' - also a central tenet of Freemasonry. It's all a hoax, cooked up by The Mysterious Force in 43 AD

dr steam
19-07-2011, 01:51 PM
Hi Steam.

Briefly Craft Freemasonry was usurped by Jews on 1717. Judaism is a forgery, not the Protocols. Judiasm and the Old Testament are nicked from Egypt as is Freemasonry now.

The Oral Tradition never existed. Yet another hoax. Start out by reading the germinator for this thread, the book 'Dissipation of the Darkness'

As with the Holocaust there are only blatantly faked artifacts 'proving' ancient Judaism

Hi Rodin

Thanks for reply and Sorry for my late feedback, I will look at "Dissipation of darkness" when I just have time for it. Its clear that it is the Old Testament, (which indeed is an imitation of the Egyptian system) that which among others systems is the link or the glue between Judaism and Freemasonry and Zionism and also that the New Testament is not so popular in these circles :rolleyes:

It is also clear that this old pseudo religion has been widespread among the royals and the elite in Europe for over 800 years. And before that we cultivated the pagan horn god .Perhaps this explains Mosses`s horn ?

lightgiver
19-07-2011, 02:41 PM
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9795/20100630183303ucxejmrwg.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/20100630183303ucxejmrwg.png/)

Which man can save his brother's soul? (save your brother's soul)
Oh man, it's just self control.
Dont gain the world and lose your soul (just don't lose your soul)
Wisdom is better than silver and gold -
To the bridge

Bob Marley - zion train - YouTube

Two thousand years of history (history)
Could not be wiped away so easily.
Two thousand years of history (Black history)
Could not be wiped so easily (could not be wiped so easily).

rodin
20-07-2011, 08:40 AM
Which man can save his brother's soul? (save your brother's soul)
Oh man, it's just self control.
Dont gain the world and lose your soul (just don't lose your soul)
Wisdom is better than silver and gold ....

I am down with the above.

However bear in mind Marley was music business, which like the Shoah business and in fact all business is always good for Jews. Plus remember the Protocols of Zion's 'We will set up the opposition to us so we can control it'

Take the example of the rather like-able Brother Kapner who runs Real Zionist News. Nearly everything he posts is a searing insight into the Jewish world order. His latest article

http://www.trueorthodox.com/pictures/bnprodputob.jpg

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=646

From the comments page

...I find it difficult to believe that the Jews who totally controlled Russia for decades were somehow completely removed from power without extreme bloodshed.

Aren’t these the same Jews who murdered Lincoln and Kennedy for merely attempting to tamper with their central bank? They gave up so easily?

I remember reading some time back that they had an ultimate plan to merge Russia with the US. Perhaps Putin is simply window dressing to make this merger more palatable. He looks like such a nice Christian guy.

I also remember Clinton picking up his Bible and going to church all the time. Was he a great Christian or a servant of the Jews?

The above all but damns Kapner as a one-issue Jew plant, not a great fighter against the Sanhedrin of Satan. Yet he cannot delete it from the comments section, or he will be outed for the thought controller he (probably) is.

lightgiver
22-07-2011, 02:19 PM
I am down with the above.

However bear in mind Marley was music business, which like the Shoah business and in fact all business is always good for Jews. Plus remember the Protocols of Zion's 'We will set up the opposition to us so we can control it'
.

Island Records is a record label that was founded by Chris Blackwell in Jamaica. It was based in the United Kingdom for many years and is now owned by Universal Music Group.

Bob Marley: Babylon have no fruits

Bob Marley: Babylon have no fruits - YouTube

Bob Marley Interview Patrick Barrat, 1980 in Jamaica

PB: What about politics?

Bob: I am neither on the right side nor on the left side, I go straight ahead. Nobody thinks about going straight ahead. Do you understand? That's true. Do you remember when they crucified the Christ? There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were both thieves! It's the same for ideologies.

PB: Your music is not political then?

Bob: People say my music is political, but I just tell the truth and what is right. No politician likes the people. They like those who vote for them, and hate those who vote against them. Politics is madness. And politicians think the Christ is dead because they are dead themselves. The Christ can't die, that's why we are alive.

PB: How do you spend your money?

Bob: I give it. I give it here and there, to hundreds of people who come here everyday to ask help. Money is the root of all evil. Money was created to keep people chained, it's a substitute of reality.

PB: You also have detractors.

Bob: They won't get me easily. They will have to try very hard. They say I betray my people. No, no and no I stay true to the masses. Nobody can change it... my only vice is having many women.

PB: What about death?

Bob: We don't deal with death. All the meaning of rasta is in life. The gift of Jah is life. The path of sin is death. If man doesn't sin, well, we know miracles have happened to people and they still live. We know there are wonderful paths. We have a guardian angel that guides us. If you do something bad, then this spirit is vexed and you can die. Humans give importance to death because they don't understand God. They don't see Rastafari is God. They know nothing about the changes on this earth.
There is no end. There will be no end.

http://www.marleysite.com/interview/barrat.htm

lightgiver
22-07-2011, 08:00 PM
The Druids were dressed in white robes, the Bard in blue. The Arch-Druid wore a golden breastplate set with twelve jewels, similar to the breastplate of the high priest of Israel. Such a breastplate has been found on a skeleton in one of the Stonehenge tombs - Fredrick Haberman (Tracing Our Ancestors)

All the evidence show that the early British astronomer- priests, the Druids, came fromthe Near East, and Professor L.A. Waddell, in his interesting work, "Phoenician Origin of Britons, Scots, and Anglo-Saxons" provides the evidence from hundreds of Phoenician coins and inscriptions found in both Britain and the East that the early Britons were the sea-going Aryan-Phoenicians, who appeared in Western Europe as the Celts or Kelts, which name can also be traced to ancient Chaldea, from whence indeed they came.

An Arch Druid in His Judicial Habit
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8438/anarchdruidinhisjudicia.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/anarchdruidinhisjudicia.jpg/)

A druid was a member of the priestly class in Britain, Ireland, and Gaul, and possibly other parts of Celtic western Europe, during the Iron Age. Very little is currently known about the ancient druids as they left no written accounts about themselves, and the only evidence of them are a few descriptions left by Greek and Roman authors, and stories created by later medieval Irish writers.

The Breastplate of judgment worn by the Jewish high priest, called the Urim and Thummim, meaning emblems of royalty and truth, was also borrowed from Egypt, as we learn from these names, which are derived from the Egyptian words OURO, King, and THMEI, justice or truth...god Horus-Ra is Ouro, and the goddess with the feather on her head is Thmei - Samuel Sharpe (Egyptian Mythology and Egyptian Christianity)

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4318/christheaddore.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/christheaddore.gif/)

When Christianity preached Jesus as God, it preached the most familiar name of its own deity to Druidism; and in the ancient British tongue 'Jesus' has never assumed its Greek, Latin, or Hebrew form, but remains the pure Druidic 'Yesu' - Fredrick Haberman (Tracing Our Ancestors)

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/576/kohengarments.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/kohengarments.jpg/)

Jewish High Priest - wearing the Kohen Breastplate (the "Urim and Thummim") with 12 diadems. The Levites were originally Irish Druids, and not Jews as we know them.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/rac/index.htm

lightgiver
22-07-2011, 08:25 PM
A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. points to multiple origins for Ashkenazi Levites, a priestly class who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews. It found that Haplogroup R1a1a (R-M17), uncommon in the Middle East or among Sephardi Jews, originating in Central Asia and dominant in Eastern Europe, is present in over 50% of Ashkenazi Levites, while the rest of Ashkenazi Levites' paternal lineage is of Middle Eastern origin. Behar suggests a founding event,probably involving one or very few European men, occurring at a time close to the initial formation and settlement of the Ashkenazi community as a possible explanation.

As Nebel, Behar and Goldstein speculate, "although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."

Akhenaton, the Cult of Aton part 1/6>>>video posted
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself..

The Cult of Aton left Egypt along with the elite class of Levites who had lived and served alongside them at Akhetaten (Tell el-Amarna), Avairs, Giza, Heliopolis, and Tanis. These tribes are put before us today as the"Israelites," the supposed "Jews" of history. In fact these latter groups were subservient in all ways to theAtonist Elders who were either biologically or ideologically descended from the Hyksos pharaohs of old.

A reading of both versions of the Bible reveals that there were two classes of people who were involved in the Exodus. There were the Yahuds, the priestly class, and there were the Children of Israel, the commoners, the"multitudes" -Messod and Roger Sabbah (Secret of the Exodus)

The Levitical scholars and later historians knew that the real meaning of the title Hebrew (like that of "David," "Israel," "Judah," and "Aaron," etc) had to be obscured. The word's original meaning would best beconcealed if it was linked to another similar sounding word that did denote racial types and groups. It was noted that the word was similar to Apiru which referred to thieves, wanderers, and vagabonds, or to simpleshepherds seeking refuge in Egypt due to droughts. Such refugees did exist and were bound to sustainthemselves in Egypt by performing menial tasks. With the letter "H" added we have Hapiru, making a wordthat could easily be mistaken for Hebrew. But the Apiru or Hapiru were not the same people as the Hebrewsor Ibaru, the wise-ones and counselors to pharaoh. The Irish (Aryan) Magi had journeyed far and wide andhad established mystery schools throughout the far-flung corners of the globe, in every empire and major city. The early Egyptians knew them as the Shemsu Hor or "Disciples of Horus." Intelligent and creative menaspired to attend their colleges and learn their secrets pertaining to astronomy, biology, horticulture,metaphysics, law, divination, and other subjects. The fact that almost every overt reference to these colleges has been deliberately excised from the world's history texts does not change this fact. In a similar fashion as the later Christian missionary monks, the Druids had taken their knowledge and symbolism with themwherever they roved. As a result, Druid Elders were exalted counselors at major courts. As Merlin was to King Arthur, the Druid Magi tutored the many princes and kings who sought them out. They were especiallyesteemed in Egypt, the land that had benefited from their knowledge of architecture and astronomy. The Druids (the Shemsu Hor) were counselors too, and perhaps even initiators of, the pharaohs of Egypt.

There was even a sculpture by Japanese artist Masayuki Nagare of three pyramids in the Plaza of the Twin Towers.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7476/masayukinagarewtcplazas.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/masayukinagarewtcplazas.jpg/)


Akhenaton, the Cult of Aton part 2/6 >>> video posted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYYRzFjBpAk&feature=player_detailpage

Comparison of the Great Pyramid of Khufu and the North Tower WTC 1

height of the Great Pyramid without capstone; 139 metres
height of the North Tower WTC 1; 417 m (139m x 3)

Comparison of the Chephren Pyramid and the South Tower WTC 2

height of the Chephren pyramid; 136 metres
height of South Tower WTC 2; 415 metres (136m x 3)
base South Tower; 63 metres
base of Chephren Pyramid; 215 metres (63m x 3.4)

Comparison between the Pyramid of Menkaure and WTC 7

height of Pyramid of Menkaure; 65.5
height of World Trade Centre 7; 186 metres (65.5m x 2.839)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nXNZGuiwS0&feature=player_detailpage

Akhenaton, the Cult of Aton part 3/6>>> video posted

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060061183&postcount=128

Levite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
22-07-2011, 09:44 PM
Friday July 22, 2011 SUN MOVES TO LEO

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Do you believe in magick (1/5) (POWER, POLITICS & MAGIC SERIES/ Esoteric Symbolism & 9/11)>>> video posted

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=123670&page=14

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=177053

bush doctor
22-07-2011, 11:27 PM
Absorbing posts LG. very revealing.


http://whatisthepyramid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Pythagoras-Knapp.gif

He is best known for the Pythagorean theorem, which bears his name. Known as “the father of numbers”, Pythagoras made influential contributions to philosophy and religious teaching in the late 6th century BC. Because legend and obfuscation cloud his work even more than with the other pre-Socratics, one can say little with confidence about his life and teachings. We do know that Pythagoras and his students believed that everything was related to mathematics and that numbers were the ultimate reality and, through mathematics, everything could be predicted and measured in rhythmic patterns or cycles. According to Iamblichus of Chalcis, Pythagoras once said that “number is the ruler of forms and ideas and the cause of gods and daemons.”



“We must avoid with our utmost endeavor, and amputate with fire and sword, and by all other means, from the body, sickness; from the soul, ignorance; from the belly, luxury; from a city, sedition; from a family, discord; and from all things, xcess.”



http://whatisthepyramid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/freemasonic-as-above-so-below.jpg

http://whatisthepyramid.com/2009/08/08/the-cult-of-pythagoras/

rodin
23-07-2011, 12:09 PM
Island Records is a record label that was founded by Chris Blackwell in Jamaica. ...

True

as is

Blackwell was born in London to an Irish father and a Costa Rican-born Sephardic Jewish mother

Chris Blackwell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That said its the Ashkenazi mafia that represents the cutting edge of evil

rodin
23-07-2011, 12:20 PM
...according to Iamblichus of Chalcis, Pythagoras once said that “number is the ruler of forms and ideas and the cause of gods and daemons.”

You congratulate lightgiver who posts artists impressions as visual evidence.

Numbers are abstract, however in a sense Pythagoras was correct. Numbers, honestly applied, yield immutable truths. Numbers prove truth is absolute, not relative

lightgiver
23-07-2011, 03:11 PM
Intriguing post bush ;)

Taken from Manly P Hall’s The Secret Teaching of The Ages:

The famous Pythagorean Υ signified the power of choice and was used in the Mysteries as emblematic of the Forking of the Ways. The central stem separated into two parts, one branching to the right and the other to the left. The branch to the right was called Divine Wisdom and the one to the left Earthly Wisdom. Youth, personified by the candidate, walking the Path of Life, symbolized by the central stem of the Υ, reaches the point where the Path divides. The neophyte must then choose whether he will take the left-hand path and, following the dictates of his lower nature, enter upon a span of folly and thoughtlessness which will inevitably result in his undoing, or whether he will take the right-hand road and through integrity, industry, and sincerity ultimately regain union with the immortals in the superior spheres. It is probable that Pythagoras obtained his concept of the Υ from the Egyptians, who included in certain of their initiatory rituals a scene in which the candidate was confronted by two female figures. One of them, veiled with the white robes of the temple, urged the neophyte to enter into the halls of learning; the other, bedecked with jewels, symbolizing earthly treasures, and bearing in her hands a tray loaded with grapes (emblematic of false light), sought to lure him into the chambers of dissipation. This symbol is still preserved among the Tarot cards, where it is called The Forking of the Ways. The forked stick has been the symbol of life among many nations, and it was placed in the desert to indicate the presence of water.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5556/glamorganmountainashthe.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/glamorganmountainashthe.jpg/)

Princess Elizabeth (later Queen Elizabeth II) in a robe of green is led by an acolyte to Archdruid Crwys Williams, who will initiate her into the Mystic Circle of Bards at the national Eisteddfod, or festival, at Mountain Ash, Glamorgan, Wales, August 6, 1946.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1797/druid4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/druid4.jpg/)

lightgiver
09-08-2011, 12:38 AM
The Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor was an initiatic occult organisation that first became public in late 1884, although according to an official document of the order it began its work in 1870. According to this document, authored by Peter Davidson, the order was established by Max Theon, who when in England was initiated as a Neophyte by "an adept of the serene, ever-existing and ancient Order of the original H. B. of L."

The Order's relation, if any, with the mysterious "Brotherhood of Luxor" that Blavatsky spoke of is not clear.

Theon thus became Grand Master of the Exterior Circle of the Order. However, apart from his initiatory role, he seems to have little to do with the day to day running of the order, or of its teachings. He seems to have left these things to Peter Davidson, who was the Provincial Grand Master of the North (Scotland), and later also the Eastern Section (America).

The order's teachings drew heavily from the magico-sexual theories of Paschal Beverly Randolph, who influenced groups such as the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (later headed by Aleister Crowley) (Greenfield 1997) although it is not clear whether or not Randolph himself was actually a part of the Order.

Prior to the rise of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn in 1888 the HBoL was the only order that taught practical occultism in the Western Mystery Tradition. Among its members were a number of occultists, spiritualists, and Theosophists. Initial relations between the Order and the Theosophical Society were cordial, with most members of the order also prominent members of the T.S.


Hermetic Brotherhood of Light

The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light was a Fraternity that descended from the Frates Lucis in the late 18th century (in turn, derived from the German Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross), and was the seed from which Ordo Templi Orientis was created. In addition, the Hermetic Brotherhood of Light was strongly connected with the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor, and may perhaps have been one and the same.

Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the Second Intermediate Period, a group of Asiatic foreign chiefs known as the Hyksos (literally, "rulers of foreign lands") gained the rulership of Egypt, and ruled the Nile Delta, from Avaris. They chose Set, originally Upper Egypt's chief god, the god of foreigners and the god they found most similar to their own chief god, as their patron, and so Set became worshiped as the chief god once again.

Avaris capital of Egypt under the Hyksos (15th Dynasty)

When Ahmose I overthrew the Hyksos and expelled them from Egypt, Egyptian attitudes towards Asiatic foreigners became xenophobic, and royal propaganda discredited the period of Hyksos rule. Nonetheless, the Set cult at Avaris flourished, and the Egyptian garrison of Ahmose stationed there became part of the priesthood of Set at Avaris.

The founder of the nineteenth dynasty, Ramesses I came from a military family from Avaris with strong ties to the priesthood of Set. Several of the Ramesside kings were named for Set, most notably Seti I (literally, "man of Set") and Setnakht (literally, "Set is strong"). In addition, one of the garrisons of Ramesses II held Set as its patron deity, and Ramesses II erected the so-called Four Hundred Years' Stele at Pi-Ramesses, commemorating the 400 year anniversary of the Set cult in the Delta.

http://starryskies.com/The_sky/constellations/draco.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mythology)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/matrix/matrix07.htm

rodin
10-08-2011, 09:52 PM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7476/masayukinagarewtcplazas.jpg

Interesting

911 connection to The Mysterious Force perhaps?

Pharaoh and Pharisee...

Far I See

decim
10-08-2011, 10:55 PM
The Great foe to..coup fu's..f ire powere..

The thr33 Pyra mids of the Pyra tes...Pi rated...

Them istar eye us Fours..

Two towers divided..square..inverted 7 http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/300000/images/_302425_c4_logo150.jpg

The Sans Head Rinse...mined ph#ck...E's gipped th Angle ish long guage bi jew ptah...

http://www.upside-down-maps.com/images/upside-down-maps-compass.gif

Sea, Si, See, Wholly, Hole E http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Sun_symbol.svg/100px-Sun_symbol.svg.png'Shone...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7476/masayukinagarewtcplazas.jpg

Interesting

911 connection to The Mysterious Force perhaps?

Pharaoh and Pharisee...

Far I See

lightgiver
07-09-2011, 08:55 PM
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5716/newsgraphics2006624406a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/newsgraphics2006624406a.jpg/)

It is unquestionable

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2889/wtchsmgc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/wtchsmgc6.jpg/)

that there are significant similarities between Masonic and Wiccan ritual.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4817/initiation02.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/initiation02.jpg/)

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060191886#post1060191886

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1526148/Speeding-driver-makes-chief-constable-a-druid.html

oiram
07-09-2011, 11:18 PM
OK I need some help here - Why is the Number 11 so important to Kabbollox?

The Star of David = 7 I learned from Wiccapedo

I am thinking 911 and 7/7 are Judeo Masonic events of great significance to them

Also Apollo 11 thru to Apollo 17 from Freemasonic NASA ties in
I also find the No. 11 interesting ....

Who knows maybe it's something in here which gives some hint?

9/11 = 11 = 2
9/11/2001 + 11 years = 9/11/2012
9/11/2001 - 11 years = 9/11/1990

[GR] > The Number 11: Where? Hid.
http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/gr_11.asp

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Kaph_Micaiah_Micah_Link.gif (http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Kaph.asp)
http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Kaph.asp

Properties of the number 11
Symbol of the interior fight, the rebellion and the mislaying which results from it. But it also represents someone who comes out victorious of the tests with the acquired knowledge.

Represent the transgression of the law because it exceeds of one the number of ten, which is the one of the Decalogue. For this fact, it represents the sin according to saint Augustin. The psalm 11 (Vulgate numbering) asks effectively the punishment of the wicked. The theoretical speculations on this number confirm this symbolism. The sum of numbers 1 to 11 is 66, which multiplying eleven by the number symbol of the evil, the diabolic 6; by the addition of the two digits which compose it as by its reading in Roman number, II, it reminds the 2, number of the division and the corruption.

Number expressing more than the human sin, it is the sin in general or cosmic, according to R. Allendy.

According to Peignot, it is the force of witnesses and the Word. Eleven is therefore the number of the martyrdom, the testimony and the prophecy.

Represent the union of the microcosm and the macrocosm - 5 + 6.

Number of the knowledge of God, according to Arabs, this one passing by 11 steps.

Number in relation to the mysteries of the fruitfulness in the African esoteric traditions.

Number representing the individual initiative but exercising without relationship to the cosmic harmony, consequently of a rather unfavorable nature.

In China, number representing the way (the Tao) of the sky and the earth. It is the number of the central union of the sky, 6, and of the earth, 5.

Bad number according to the Hebrews. This is why there would not exist any name having eleven letters in Hebrew.

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The blue cord of the mason masters is large of 11 cm.


A cycle of magnetic activity of the Sun lasts eleven years. A new cycle has begun in 1984.

Eleven is the number of the regimes which did not last: the First Empire, from 1804 to 1815; the Hitlerite Empire, from 1933 to 1944; the 4th Republic, from 1947 to 1958; the 5th Republic, under Gaule, from 1958 to 1969.

Anniversary of marriage: weddings of steel.

Much More Here: http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu11.php


11:11 Phenomenon 2012 - Investigated.
http://2012rising.com/article/1111-2012

Freedman: All right, I'll comment on that. This is rather deep, but you all have a very high degree of intelligence, so I'm going to make an attempt. In the time of Bible history, there was a geographic area known as Judea. Judea was a province of the Roman Empire. Now, a person who lived in Judea was known as a Judean, and in Latin it was Judaeus; in Greek it was Judaius. Those are the two words, in Greek and Latin, for a Judean.

Now, in Latin and Greek there is no such letter as 'j', and the first syllable of Judaeus and Judaius starts 'ghu'. Now, when the Bible was written, it was first written in Greek, Latin, Panantic, Syriac, Aramaic... all those languages. Never Was the word Jew in any of them because the word didn't exist. Judea was the country, and the people were Judeans, and Jesus was referred to only as a Judean. I've seen those early... the earliest scripts available.

In 1345, a man by the name of Wycliffe in England thought that it was time to translate the Bible into English. There was no English edition of the Bible because who the Devil could read? It was only the educated church people who could read Latin and Greek, Syriac, Aramaic and the other languages. Anyhow, Wycliffe translated the Bible into English. But in it, he had to look around for some words for Judaeas and Judaius.

There was no English word because Judea had passed out of existence. There was no Judea. People had long ago forgotten that. So in the first translation he used the word, in referring to Jesus, as 'gyu', "jew". At the time, there was no printing press.

Then, between 1345 and the 17th century, when the press came into use, that word passed through so many changes... I have them all here. If you want I can read them to you. I will. That word 'gyu' which was in the Wycliffe Bible became. . . first it was ' gyu ', then ' giu ', then ' iu ' (because the ' i ' in Latin is pronounced like the ' j '. Julius Caesar is ' Iul ' because there is no 'j' in Latin) then ' iuw ', then ' ieuu ', then ' ieuy ', then ' iwe ', then ' iow ', then ' iewe ', all in Bibles as time went on. Then ' ieue ', then ' iue ', then ' ive ', and then ' ivw ', and finally in the 18th century... ' jew '. Jew.

All the corrupt and contracted forms for Judaius, and Judaeas in Latin. Now, there was no such thing as 'Jew', and any theologian -- I've lectured in maybe 20 of the most prominent theological seminaries in this country, and two in Europe -- there was no such word as Jew. There only was Judea, and Jesus was a Judean and the first English use of a word in an English bible to describe him was 'gyu' -- Jew. A contracted and shortened form of Judaeus, just the same as we call a laboratory a 'lab', and gasoline 'gas'... a tendency to short up.

So, in England there were no public schools; people didn't know how to read; it looked like a scrambled alphabet so they made a short word out of it. Now for a theologian to say that you can't harm the Jews, is just ridiculous. I'd like to know where in the scriptures it says that. I'd like to know the text.

Look at what happened to Germany for touching Jews. What would you, as a citizen of the United States, do to people who did to you what the so-called Jews -- the Pollacks and Litvaks and Litzianers -- they weren't Jews, as I just explained to you. They were Eastern Europeans who'd been converted to Talmudism. There was no such thing as Judaism. Judaism was a name given in recent years to this religion known in Bible history as Torah [inaudible]. No Jew or no educated person ever heard of Judaism. It didn't exist. They pulled it out of the air. . . a meaningless word.

Just like 'anti-Semitic'. The Arab is a Semite. And the Christians talk about people who don't like Jews as anti-Semites, and they call all the Arabs anti-Semites. The only Semites in the world are the Arabs. There isn't one Jew who's a Semite. They're all Turkothean Mongoloids. The Eastern european Jews. So, they brainwashed the public, and if you will invite me to meet this reverend who told you these things, I'll convince him and it'll be one step in the right direction. I'll go wherever I have to go to meet him.


They put a bigger tax on gas or bread or corporation tax. Somebody has to pay the housekeeping expenses for the government. So why do you let these people send their money over there to buy guns to drive people out of their ancient homeland? And you say, "Oh, well. The poor Jews. They have no place to go and they've been persecuted all their lives". They've never been persecuted for their religion. And I wish I had two rows of Rabbis here to challenge me. Never once, in all of history, have they been persecuted for their religion.

Do you know why the Jews were driven out of England? King Edward the First in 1285 drove them out, and they never came back until the Cromwell Revolution which was financed by the Rothschilds. For four-hundred years there wasn't a Jew. But do you know why they were driven out? Because in the Christian faith and the Moslem faith it's a sin to charge 'rent' for the use of money. In other words - what we call interest [usury] is a sin.

So the Jews had a monopoly in England and they charged so much interest, and when the Lords and Dukes couldn't pay, they [Jews] foreclosed. And they were creating so much trouble that the king of England finally made himself their partner, because when they they came to foreclose, some of these dukes bumped off the Jews. . . the money-lenders. So the king finally said -- and this is all in history, look up Tianson [Tennyson?] or Rourke, the History of the Jews in England; two books you can find in your library. When the king found out what the trouble was all about, and how much money they were making, he declared himself a fifty-percent partner of the money lenders. Edward the First. And for many years, one-third of the revenues of the British Treasury came from the fifty-percent interest in money-lending by the Jews.

But it got worse and worse. So much worse that when the Lords and Dukes kept killing the money-lenders, the King then said, "I declare myself the heir of all the money-lenders. If they're killed you have to pay me, because I'm his sole heir". That made so much trouble, because the King had to go out and collect the money with an army, so he told the Jews to get out. There were 15,000 of them, and they had to get out, and they went across to Ireland, and that's how Ireland got to be part of the United Kingdom.

When King Edward found out what they were doing, he decided to take Ireland for himself before someone else did. He sent Robert Southgard with a mercenary army and conquered Ireland. So, show me one time where a Jew was persecuted in any country because of his religion. It has never happened. It's always their impact on the political, social, or economic customs and traditions of the community in which they settle.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

lightgiver
07-09-2011, 11:23 PM
Eleven refers to the conveyance of the Divine light which transcends the limits of the world within the limits of the world.

"The world was created with ten utterances." Eleven, thus, refers to a level above the limits of that set. Nevertheless, since it is also a number which follows in sequence to ten, we can understand that it refers to the fusion between the transcendent Divine light and the framework of limited worldly existence.

Eleven indicates an excess, a spillage, an over-doing or wasting of divine energy. According to the Arizal...

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/828/spider20wtc20sun.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/spider20wtc20sun.jpg/)
American Airlines flight 11...

Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/156/lamfy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/lamfy.jpg/)

Messier 11...Its age has been estimated to about 220 million years.

The number of guns in a gun salute to U.S. Army, Air Force and Marine Corps Brigadier Generals, and to Navy and Coast Guard Rear Admirals Lower Half.

Three films -- Ben-Hur (1959), Titanic (1997), and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) -- have each won eleven Academy Awards.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/London_General_WVL144_on_11.JPG/800px-London_General_WVL144_on_11.JPG

1 beyond 10...Kenneth Grant - Wikipédia...

http://www.betemunah.org/eleven.html

Apollo 11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rodin
01-10-2011, 05:13 PM
zespook on February 24, 2009 at 7:05 pm said:

Regarding the ‘Dissipation of the Darkness’ English translation mentioned in your work. I obtained one of the original copies of an Arabic translation written by Khory. I got it from Amsterdam. It has a Jerusalem library stamp on it. The pictures in said book are the exact same as are in the zerox copy of the English translation that I obtained some years back.

Don’t take the old Mysterious Force as a joke, for this association is for real. I did not see it mentioned in your work, but you should have detected it as the secret kingdom of the Biblical Anti-Christ that has been at work since AD 43. Thank you for your revelations.

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/the-mysterious-force/

eternal_spirit
01-10-2011, 05:25 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/Innishargie.jpg/250px-Innishargie.jpg


The Orange Order "Orange Lodge"

rodin
01-10-2011, 07:39 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/Innishargie.jpg/250px-Innishargie.jpg


The Orange Order "Orange Lodge"

JDL

http://detir.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Jewish-Defense-League-285x280.png

lightgiver
02-10-2011, 03:17 AM
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4058/mtvyogini.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/mtvyogini.jpg/)

Bam

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8360/painted19thcenturytibet.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/painted19thcenturytibet.jpg/)

thank you ma'am...

Wham Bam Thank You Mam - Small Faces - YouTube
http://youtu.be/Q6jXKySaeuo

lightgiver
03-12-2011, 10:29 PM
The cloning through use of "Adam's rib" was the first genetic engineering on humans...

"Let us make man..."

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5792/ningishzida01.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/ningishzida01.jpg/)

Cat people intro original - YouTube
http://youtu.be/g3JpozIfWIY

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1341/48520934v1480x480frontc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/48520934v1480x480frontc.jpg/)


Adam and Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=180131&page=19

rodin
05-12-2011, 08:48 PM
[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Blue"]The cloning through use of "Adam's rib" was the first genetic engineering on humans...

"Let us make man..."

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5792/ningishzida01.jpg.....

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=180131&page=19

What Do Jews Mean When We Say Goy? Tag, You're It! - YouTube

lightgiver
15-12-2011, 02:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAleuJJzB9w&feature=related

Best guitar solo ever - Trey Azagthoth - YouTube
http://youtu.be/t4cJYYflLc4

lightgiver
15-12-2011, 03:15 AM
Artificial insemination, or AI, is the process by which sperm is placed into the reproductive tract of a female for the purpose of impregnating the female by using means other than sexual intercourse or NI. In humans, it is used as assisted reproductive technology, using either sperm from the woman's male partner or sperm from a sperm donor (donor sperm) in cases where the male partner produces no sperm or the woman has no male partner (i.e., single women, lesbians). In cases where donor sperm is used the woman is the gestational and genetic mother of the child produced, and the sperm donor is the genetic or biological father of the child.

A.I. Trailer (Extended Version)
A.I. Trailer (Extended Version) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/sqS83f-NUww

In humans, artificial insemination was originally developed as a means of helping couples to conceive where there were 'male factor' problems of a physical or psychological nature affecting the male partner which prevented or impeded conception. Today, the process is also and more commonly used in the case of choice mothers, where a woman has no male partner and the sperm is provided by a sperm donor.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4417/blogacresnola2010012000.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/blogacresnola2010012000.jpg/)

According to later Babylonian Tablets of Stone, the Anunnaki were the children of Anu and Ki, brother and sister gods, themselves the children of Anshar and Kishar (Skypivot and Earthpivot, the Celestial poles), who in turn were the children of Lahamu and Lahmu ("the muddy ones"), names given to the gatekeepers of the Abzu temple at Eridu, the site at which the creation was thought to have occurred. Finally, Lahamu and Lahmu were the children of Tiamat (Goddess of the Ocean) and Abzu (God of Fresh Water).

Sumerians and the Anunnaki 1/5 Genesis revisited
Sumerians and the Anunnaki 1/5 Genesis revisited - YouTube
http://youtu.be/CxGkahOMsmk

In Sumerian Stone Tablets, the Anunnaki ("Children of Anu") were the gods of earth and the underworld while the Igigi ("Heavenly Ones") were the gods of sky...Lahamu and Lahmu were the children of Tiamat (Goddess of the Ocean) and Abzu (God of Fresh Water).

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4838/20090701sperm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/20090701sperm.jpg/)

Artificial insemination is widely used for livestock breeding, especially for dairy cattle and pigs. Techniques developed for livestock have been adapted for use in humans...And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.(The Muddy Ones)

rodin
22-12-2011, 07:20 PM
The famous and learned Jesuit, Monsignor Leon Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, confirms in his authoritatively substantiated work “Philosophy of Freemasonry” the following:

“The first degrees of Freemasonry are intended for the purpose, as we will see further below, of transforming the ‘laymen’ into ‘real men’ in the Freemasonic sense; the second section, which passes from the 12th to 22nd degree, is intended to dedicate men to the ‘Jewish Pontifex’, and the third section of the 23rd to 33rd degree must dedicate the Pontifex to ‘the Jewish king’ or ‘Cabbalistic Emperor’.

“The first thing that surprises the new disciple of a lodge is the Jewish character of everything which he finds there. From the first to the thirtieth degree he hears only talk of the ‘great work’ of rebuilding the temple of Solomon; of the murdering of the architect Hiram Abiff; of the two pillars Boaz and Jachin (III, Kings VII, 21); of a host of secret symbols (signs) and Hebrew holy words; and of the Jewish calendar, which adds 4000 years to our own, so as not to honour the birth of the divine Saviour.”

“After the Jews had set up Freemasonry in different lands, they secured themselves predominance in the ‘Grand Orients’ by number and in influence. On the other hand, they set up a great number of lodges exclusively for Jews. Even before the revolution of 1789, the brothers Ecker and Eckhoffen had founded in Hamburg the ‘Lodge of Melchizedek’, which was reserved for Jews. The Hebrews von Hurschfeld and Cotter founded towards end of the 18th century in Berlin the ‘Lodge of Tolerance’.

http://www.freedomportal.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=r1avfrg1j23049h6meiu2gbep4&topic=22737.msg212462;topicseen#msg212462

lightgiver
22-12-2011, 07:37 PM
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http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1016/symbolssachsuniform.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/symbolssachsuniform.jpg/)

Some governments have treated Freemasonry as a potential source of opposition due to its secret nature and international connections. It has been alleged by Masonic scholars that the language used by the totalitarian regimes is similar to that used by some modern critics of Freemasonry.

The Nazis claimed that high degree Masons were willing members of "the Jewish conspiracy" and that Freemasonry was one of the causes of Germany's loss of the First World War. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote that Freemasonry has "succumbed" to the Jews and has become an "excellent instrument" to fight for their aims and to use their "strings" to pull the upper strata of society into their alleged designs. He continued, "The general pacifistic paralysis of the national instinct of self-preservation begun by Freemasonry" is then transmitted to the masses of society by the press.In 1933 Hermann Göring, the Reichstag President and one of the key figures in the process of Gleichschaltung ("synchronization"), stated "...in National Socialist Germany, there is no place for Freemasonry.

The film was commissioned in 1942 by the Propaganda Abteilung, a delegation of Nazi Germany's propaganda ministry within occupied France by the ex-Mason Mamy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkPUe0VVnDI&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/KkPUe0VVnDI

It virulently denounces Freemasonry, parliamentarianism and Jews as part of Vichy's drive against them and seeks to prove a Jewish-Masonic plot.

Loge „Libanon zu den 3 Zedern“ in Erlangen, Germany. First meeting after World War II with guests from USA, France and Czechoslovakia, May 1948.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-W1028-507%2C_Erlangen%2C_Freimaurer_bei_Zeremonie.jpg

On France's liberation its writer Jean Marquès-Rivière, its producer Robert Muzard and its direction Jean Mamy were purged for collaboration with the enemy...

It was the Unlawful Societies Act of 1799 that saw the first statue "for the more effectual suppression of societies established for seditious and treasonable purposes"; once enacted it affected all societies whose members were required to take an oath not authorised by law, shall be deemed "unlawful combinations." It was as a result of the intervention of the Grand Master of the Antients, The 4th Duke of Atholl, and the Acting Grand Master of the Moderns, the earl of Moira that a special exempting clause was inserted into this legislation in favour of societies "held under the Denomination of Lodges of Freemasons" provided that they had been "usually held before the Act" and their names, places and times of meeting and the names of the members were annually registered with the local Clerk to the Justices of the Peace. This continued on until 1967 when this Act was repealed by a section of the Criminal Justice Act which meant that the annual returns of all the Lodges to the authorities ceased.

In March 1935 According to Joseph Goebbels, the Soviet Union's recent inclusion in the League of Nations was engineered by 300 "members of the Jewish race and conspirators of Freemasonry." On August 8, 1935, as Führer and Chancellor, Adolf Hitler announced in the Nazi Party newspaper, Voelkischer Beobachter, the final dissolution of all Masonic Lodges in Germany. The article accused a conspiracy of the Fraternity and “World Jewry” of seeking to create a “World Republic”. In 1937 Joseph Goebbels inaugurated an "Anti-Masonic Exposition" to display objects seized by the state. The Ministry of Defence forbid officers from becoming Freemasons, with officers who remained as Masons being sidelined.

During the war, Freemasonry was banned by edict in all countries that were either allied with the Nazis or under Nazi control, including Norway and France. Anti-Masonic exhibitions were held in many occupied countries. Field-Marshal Friedrich Paulus was denounced as a "High-grade Freemason" when he surrendered to the Soviet Union in 1943.

The preserved records of the RSHA - Reichssicherheitshauptamt Office of the High Command of Security Service pursuing the racial objectives of the SS through Race and Resettlement Office, show the persecution of the Freemasons. The number of Freemasons from Nazi occupied countries who were killed is not accurately known, but it is estimated that between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were murdered under the Nazi regime...

Many Islamic anti-Masonic arguments are closely tied to both Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism, though other criticisms are made such as linking Freemasonry to Dajjal.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forces_occultes

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=168933&page=60

lightgiver
22-12-2011, 07:44 PM
Radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri claims Space Shuttle Columbia disaster is a sign from God. He says "It is a punishment from God. Muslims see it that way. It is a trinity of evil because it carried Americans, an Israeli and a Hindu, a trinity of evil against Islam." al-Masri's remarks are widely denounced by many other Muslim clerics...

Abu Hamza al-Masri was born in Alexandria, Egypt, in 1958. He is the son of a middle class army officer. In 1979, he entered the UK on a student visa. Masri's initial reaction to life in Britain was to describe it as "a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Abu_Khabub_al-Masri_-_aka_-_Midhat_Mursi_al-Sayid_Umar.jpg

An early picture of Abu Hamza al-Masri, prior to losing an eye to an explosion.

In Is Lam, the Devil is known as Iblīs (Arabic إبليس) or Shayṭan (Shaitān) (Arabic: شيطان‎) (plural: شياطين Shayātīn). According to the Qur'an, God created Iblis out of "smokeless fire" (along with all of the other jinn) and created man out of clay. The primary characteristic of the Devil, besides hubris, is that he has no power other than the power to cast evil suggestions into the heart of men, women, and jinn...


Telepathy (from the Greek τηλε, tele meaning "distant" and πάθη, pathe meaning "affliction, experience"), is the transfer of information on thoughts or feelings between individuals by means other than the "five classic senses.

lightgiver
22-12-2011, 07:52 PM
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8089/compare666sf6.gif (http://img378.imageshack.us/i/compare666sf6.gif/)

Teotihuacan and St. Peter's comparison...

Rodin...The famous and learned Jesuit, Monsignor Leon Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, confirms in his authoritatively substantiated work “Philosophy of Freemasonry” the following:

The largely Roman Catholic leadership of the Nazi regime:

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9016/priestssalute.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/priestssalute.jpg/)

The leadership of the Nazi regime was a virtual Catholic men's group,

Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Goebbels, Reinhard Heydrich, Rudolf Hoess, Julius Streicher, Fritz Thyssen (who bankrolled the Nazi rise to power), Klaus Barbie, and Franz Von Papen were all Roman Catholics, as were the heads of all of these NAZI countries : Leon Degrelle of Belgium, Emil Hacha of Bohemia-Moravia, Ante Pavelic of Croatia, Konrad Henlein of Sudetenland, Pierre Laval and then Henry Petain of Vichy-France. and the R.C. priest, Msgr. Josef Tiso, of Slovakia.
(who wasn't even defrocked after the defeat of the Nazis).

Although these were among the most visible Catholic lay people in their countries at the time, did Pope Pius XII excommunicate a single one of them? NO. How can anyone say that this pope did "all that he could", when he failed to take this obvious measure so as to make it clear to the millions of Catholic faithful who were enabling the Nazis to carry out their campaigns of mass murder, not only against Jews, but against their fellow Catholics in Poland, that they should have no part in these monstrous of crimes and most mortal of sins?

On the other hand, after the Nazis were defeated and no longer posed any threat to the pope, the Vatican, or the Catholic Church anywhere, did Pope Pius XII allow the Vatican to be used to protect thousands of Catholic war criminals such as the above to escape punishment for their war crimes? YES. Whose side was the pope on?

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3779/hitlerandcardinal.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/hitlerandcardinal.jpg/)

# Here are some of the more infamous war criminals the Vatican protected from prosecution: Adolf Eichmann, "the architect of the Holocaust",

# Alois Brunner , referred to as his "best man" by Eichman,
# Dr. Josef Mengele, "the Angel of Death" ,
# Franz Stangl, commandant of the Sobibór and of Treblinka extermination camp ,
# Gustav Wagner assistant to Franz Stangl,
# Klaus Barbie, "the Butcher of Lyon" ,
# Edward Roschmann, "the Butcher of Riga",
# Aribert Heim, Mauthausen concentration camp's "Dr. Death",
# Walter Rauff, believed responsible for nearly 100,000 deaths

# Otto Wächter, who from 1939 on, as governor of the Cracow district, Wächter organized the persecution of the Jews and ordered the establishment of the Cracow Ghetto in 1941. Wächter is mentioned as one of the leading advocates in the General Government who were in favor of the Jewish extermination by gassing and as a member of the SS team who under Himmler's supervision and Odilo Globocnik's direction planned Operation Reinhard, the first phase of the Final Solution, leading to the death of more than 2,000,000 Polish Jews. After the war Wächter lived in a Roman monastery "as a monk", under the protection of Bishop Hudal, until 1949, when he died "in the arms" of Bishop Huda at the Roman hospital of Santo Spirito.
# Andrija Artuković, "the Himmler of the Balkans"
# Ante Pavelić, head of Catholic Croatia, arguably the most murderous regime in relation to its size in Axis-occupied Europe.

"Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and most members of the party's "old guard" were Catholics", wrote M. Frederic Hoffet. "It was not by accident that, because of its chiefs' religion, the National-socialist government was the most Catholic Germany ever had. . . This kinship between National-socialism and Catholicism is most striking if we study closely the propaganda methods and the interior organisation of the party. On that subject, nothing is more instructive than Joseph Goebbel's works. He had been brought up in a Jesuit college and was a seminarian before devoting himself to literature and politics. . . Every page, every line of his writings recall the teaching of his masters; so he stresses obedience. . . the contempt for truth. . . "Some lies are as useful as bread!" he proclaimed by virtue of a moral relativism extracted from Ignatius of Loyola's writings..."

Frederic Hoffet: "L'lmperialisme protestant" (Flammarion, Paris 1948, pp.172 ss).

ksigmason
04-01-2012, 12:37 AM
There are many origin beliefs and myths about Freemasonry. I wrote about King Athelstan (http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2011/12/freemasonry-and-king-athelstan.html) (Cooke Manuscript, Landsdowne Manuscript, and Regius Poem/Halliwell Manuscript) and on another forum that sparked discussion about the Roman Collegia and the Comacine Masters.

rodin
04-01-2012, 01:29 AM
There are many origin beliefs and myths about Freemasonry. I wrote about King Athelstan (http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2011/12/freemasonry-and-king-athelstan.html) (Cooke Manuscript, Landsdowne Manuscript, and Regius Poem/Halliwell Manuscript) and on another forum that sparked discussion about the Roman Collegia and the Comacine Masters.

Lightgiver's posts, whatever the thread, spew NAZI product placement, a meme Jews are urgent to keep alive, for they profit handsomely from it. Your post on the other hand deserves response.

The argument that grows from the alleged document quoted in 'Dissipation of the Darkness' is that the modern 'accepted' freemasonry, with the Hiram Abiff nonsense, supplanted the older craft freemasonrie, which was a society of men interested in geometry, architecture, stonemasonry and (usually?) Catholicism. By my grandfather's time Freemasons hated Catholics.

Is there any record of the Judeo-freemasonry elements being present in the older freemasonrie?

ksigmason
04-01-2012, 02:14 AM
By my grandfather's time Freemasons hated Catholics.
I surprisingly know a lot of Catholics who are Masons.

Maybe its coincidence, but the RCC's actions against Masonry occurred right around the time of Ramsay's Oration (http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2011/08/creation-theories-of-masonic-templary_31.html).

Is there any record of the Judeo-freemasonry elements being present in the older freemasonrie?
The oldest known record, to my knowledge, that mentions Freemasonry is the Regius Poem (written circa 14th century):

The Halliwell Manuscript, also known as the Regius Poem, is the first known Masonic text. It consists of 64 written pages in poetic form. The poem begins by evoking Euclid and his invention of geometry in ancient Egypt and then the spreading of the art of geometry in "divers lands." This is followed by fifteen points for the master concerning both moral behavior (do not harbor thieves, do not take bribes, attend church regularly, etc.) and the operation of work on a building site (do not make your masons lab our at night, teach apprentices properly, do not take on jobs that you cannot do etc.). There are then fifteen points for craftsmen which follow a similar pattern.

SOURCE (http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2010/05/regius-poem.html)

rodin
06-01-2012, 01:03 AM
ILLUMINATI a myth ? Full improved updated Documentary - YouTube

The nine

Mysterious Force

Templars

Nazgul

9-II

lightgiver
06-01-2012, 01:23 AM
Lightgiver's posts, whatever the thread, spew NAZI product placement, a meme Jews are urgent to keep alive, for they profit handsomely from it. Your post on the other hand deserves response.

The argument that grows from the alleged document quoted in 'Dissipation of the Darkness' is that the modern 'accepted' freemasonry, with the Hiram Abiff nonsense, supplanted the older craft freemasonrie, which was a society of men interested in geometry, architecture, stonemasonry and (usually?) Catholicism. By my grandfather's time Freemasons hated Catholics.

Is there any record of the Judeo-freemasonry elements being present in the older freemasonrie?

You have an unhealthy obsession with Jews like quite a few on here, it would not suprise me if your'e an Islamic Funda mentalist...

I have done a few threads recently about Neo Nazi Ideology, so what...


Islamic fundamentalism in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver
06-01-2012, 01:34 AM
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4238/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg/)

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4200/baurirving600.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/baurirving600.jpg/)

David John Cawdell Irving is an English writer,best known for his denial of the Holocaust, who specialises in the military and political history of World War II, with a focus on Nazi Germany. He is the author of 30 books on the subject, including The Destruction of Dresden (1963), Hitler's War (1977), Uprising! (1981), Churchill's War (1987), and Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich (1996).

"associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism,"

We Will Destroy America... We Will Destroy Britain! - YouTube
http://youtu.be/7I7LbG1rAq8

US and European Far Right groups, particularly the Nazi organizations, had a celebratory reaction to 9-11. In recent years, these groups have been seeking alliances with Islamic fundamentalists against their traditional enemies, Israel and the US. This trend actually goes back to World War II, when German Nazis sought alliances with various Middle Eastern countries, such as Reza Shah Pahlavi's Iran, Vichy Syria, Rashid Ali's Iraq, King Farouk's Egypt, the Mufti of Jerusalem's Palestine, and Zahir Shah's Afghanistan.

rodin
06-01-2012, 08:10 AM
I surprisingly know a lot of Catholics who are Masons.

'Catholics' can be Jews too. Tony Blair, case in point. Jewish maternal line (now erased from Wikipedia), mass murderer, now a 'Catholic' working for Middle East 'peace'. Some say 33rd degree Mason.

Maybe its coincidence, but the RCC's actions against Masonry occurred right around the time of Ramsay's Oration (http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2011/08/creation-theories-of-masonic-templary_31.html).

I will look into this later and report back

The oldest known record, to my knowledge, that mentions Freemasonry is the Regius Poem (written circa 14th century):

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/regius_cover.jpg

...first published on 1757. This is the only link to pre-1717? This Chaucerian prose - how do we know it is not a fake like the Dead Sea Scrolls etc?

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/regius.html

rodin
06-01-2012, 08:16 AM
NAZI spam....

:rolleyes:

ksigmason
06-01-2012, 10:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PLhBECS7oA&feature=player_embedded

The nine

Mysterious Force

Templars

Nazgul

9-II
TWO HOURS!? Can you post a summary? Otherwise I'm going to have to put this off til tomorrow.

While you have my mind turned to the Templars and the story of the original nine, Stephen Dafoe, a Past Grand Historian of the Sovereign Great Priory of Canada (Masonic Knights Templar), wrote an interesting piece called "Were there really only nine?".

Were there really only nine?

By Stephen Dafoe

For the past few installments, we have been taking a close look at the final days of the Knights Templar and the myths connected to that part of their story. But the origins of the Order are equally clouded in legend.

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The traditional list of founding members of the Knights Templar comes to us, not from the time of the Templars, but from the writings of the French historian Charles du Fresne du Cange (1610-1688) who recorded them in his book Les familles d’outre-mer, published nearly two centuries after his death. In fact, the Templars kept no minutes or records of their early days, at least none that have survived, so to form a picture of those early days we must examine what contemporary chroniclers wrote about them and their humble beginnings.

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Our notion that Hugh de Payens and Godfrey de St. Omer were joined by seven valiant knights comes to us largely from the writings of William, Archbishop of Tyre (1130 – 1190), however, William does not tell us that there were nine at the start, but rather that in their first nine years of existence, the Templars could raise no more than nine men. Although William was born in the Holy Land, he was not an eyewitness to the formation of the Templars. In fact, the Templars had already existed for more than a decade when William was born, and his chronicle was written many years later around the time of the Battle of Hattin (1187) when the Templars were well established.

Another medieval chronicler contemporary with the time of the Templars was Michael the Syrian, Patriarch of Antioch. In Michael’s account of the Templars’ beginnings we are told that Hugh de Payens had travelled to the Holy Land and vowed to never return to France. After serving in King Baldwin II’s army for a period of three years, de Payens, along with the thirty knights who had accompanied him east, accepted the king’s advice to continue to serve the cause. According to Michael, Baldwin granted the knights a portion of the al Aqsa Mosque, believed to be Solomon’s Temple, and thus the Templars were born.

READ MORE (http://michaelspradlin.com/blog/2010/10/templar-tuesday-were-there-really-only-nine/)

ksigmason
06-01-2012, 10:19 AM
'Catholics' can be Jews too. Tony Blair, case in point. Jewish maternal line (now erased from Wikipedia), mass murderer, now a 'Catholic' working for Middle East 'peace'. Some say 33rd degree Mason.
I don't know about his religious preferences, but the notion he was a Mason has been debunked. I can provide sources if you like.

I will look into this later and report back.
Okay. :D

...first published on 1757. This is the only link to pre-1717? This Chaucerian prose - how do we know it is not a fake like the Dead Sea Scrolls etc?

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/regius.html
There were other manuscripts that are similar such as the Cooke Manuscript, Landsdowne, and a few others I'll have to sift through, but my Athelstan piece does site several sources and historians who talk about it.

decim
06-01-2012, 05:15 PM
If true, who did the bringing?

Halliwell Manuscript, also known as the Regius Poem

"The text of the document states that Freemasonry was brought to England during the reign of King Athelstan from 924 to 939."

http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2010/05/regius-poem.html

sofa king
06-01-2012, 06:09 PM
There are many origin beliefs and myths about Freemasonry. I wrote about King Athelstan (http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2011/12/freemasonry-and-king-athelstan.html) (Cooke Manuscript, Landsdowne Manuscript, and Regius Poem/Halliwell Manuscript) and on another forum that sparked discussion about the Roman Collegia and the Comacine Masters.


More lion paw talk?

ksigmason
08-01-2012, 06:02 AM
If true, who did the bringing?

Halliwell Manuscript, also known as the Regius Poem

"The text of the document states that Freemasonry was brought to England during the reign of King Athelstan from 924 to 939."

http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2010/05/regius-poem.html
I should have been more clear in my article that by Freemasonry, I mean Freemasonry we see today as legend states that Freemasonry was fractured and it was by King Athelstan that Freemasonry was united, along with Prince Edwin.

It's obvious that operative Masonry existed in Masonry long before Athelstan as Alfred the Great is known to be a fortress builder, which helped him push back the Norman invaders.

Like I stated before, some were tossing around the possibility that Freemasonry is connected with the Comacine Masters and the Roman Collegia. It's just a theory that one Brother on another forum is thinking about, which I hope comes back with some great information.

antiarchonist
08-01-2012, 07:07 AM
FREEMASONRY IS A DEAD END

Look, I used by CAPS LOCK. So it MUST be true ( ;) )

There are a crapton of bankster think tanks. The PTB might pretend to use Freemasonry and there may be evil elements within Freemasonry. Just keep in mind that Freemasonry in 2012 is a joke from a secret agenda standpoint. The agenda has long been removed from Freemasonry on to other fraternal organizations, secret societies, and elitist think tanks. What is left is sincere useful idiots joining the Freemasons for various reasons (young people do it for political purposes). Scottish Rite Freemasonry likely did at one point have some important role in this, but not any more. Any Freemason on this forum is either a useful idiot or a troll. Freemasonry is a clue, but not an ending nor a means to an end. In this day and age, they are a joke and a dead end.

Keep looking, don't settle. Don't settle especially on Freemasons. Our founding fathers may have been masons, but subsequent Masons were just taking the prestige of the found fathers as their own to support their political agendas. This is the truth.

rodin
16-01-2012, 11:19 PM
In 2000 it was reported that Mr. Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, was working with the Grand Master of Anglo-American Freemasonry HRH The Duke of Kent, the founder of the Jerusalem Lodge, Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy Count Giuliano di Bernardo, and the Worshipful Master of the prestigious Quatuor Coronati Research Lodge Lord Northhampton, who has been atop the Temple Mount conducting studies. Evidently these mystical adepts intend to reconstruct the 2,500 year old King Solomons Temple. It seems the brethren are anticipating a forthcoming resurrection of Grand Master Abiff's architectural endevours (sic) ...

http://freemasonrywatch.org/bnaibrith.html

ksigmason
17-01-2012, 03:56 AM
http://freemasonrywatch.org/bnaibrith.html
I'd like to first point out my opinion of Freemasonry Watch: it's ran by a Catholic kook who is many times over irrational and illogical, and to say that his website is to educate the world is disrespectful to the scholarly community. His website is nothing more than slander site. My opinion.

The Duke of Kent is Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge of England. He is not Grand Master of "Anglo-American Freemasonry". Giuliano di Bernardo was Grand Master of the Grand Orient, but he resigned in 1993 when the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy was formed. The Grand Lodges in America (and several around the world) recognize the Grand Orient, but the Grand Lodges of England, Ireland, and Scotland recognize the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy.

The Regular Grand Lodge of Italy was founded in Rome on April 17th 1993 with Prof. Giuliano Di Bernardo as its first Grand Master, and 107 founding members. For the previous three years he had been Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy, from which body he had resigned shortly after the Grand Orient of Italy annual meeting at the end of March 1993. It is currently recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England, Grand Lodge of Scotland and Grand Lodge of Ireland. Many other Grand Lodges continue to recognize the Grand Orient of Italy. [6]

Any alleged link between Giuliano Di Bernardo and Lord Northampton is not documented or cited. The Quatuor Coronati Lodge has not published Di Bernardo’s Rebuilding the Temple, it has not appeared in their catalogue, nor has a review appeared in AQC. The Italian edition, La ricostruzione del Tempio. Il progetto massonico per una nuova utopia. was published by Venezia in Marsilio in 1996. It is not about physically rebuilding a temple in Jerusalem but rather details Di Bernardo’s personal belief that it is possible for the world’s monotheistic religions to dwell together in harmony, creating a spiritual, global temple.

A freemason since 1961, Di Bernardo published Filosofia della Massoneria in 1987, translated and revised as Freemasonry and Its Image of Man, A Philosophical Investigation [ISBN 0-7104-5001-X] in 1989.

There is no mention of rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem in either book: "Gradually, operative activity took second place, with the symbolic work of the construction of a spiritual and invisible Temple becoming the main aim of the 'new' Freemasonry." [Freemasonry and Its Image of Man p. 11.]

SOURCE (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/rebuild_temple.html)
I've been to Italy and loved the hospitality of the Brothers. I also would like to join Quatuor Coronati Lodge as they do some great research and I have used them in my personal research, but I just don't have it in my budget.

rodin
19-01-2012, 03:37 PM
Perhaps you can confirm or refute the following

On page 249 of “Duncan’s Ritual and Monitor” it states that Masonry is subservient to Judaism, noting that a recipient of the Royal Arch Degree pledges himself “For the good of Masonry, generally, but the Jewish nation in particular.” The undeniable fact that Freemasonry itself is based on the rites and rituals of the Jewish religion and the mysticism of the Jewish Cabala, is also purposefully glossed over by these deceivers.

The Protocols of Zion make clear this intention to use subservient Gentiles (shabbas goyim) as scapegoats,

“GENTILE masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery.” (The Protocols of Zion, 4:2)

http://zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order/#comment-3166

suninmyeyes
19-01-2012, 09:29 PM
Perhaps you can confirm or refute the following



http://zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order/#comment-3166

Ruh Roh Raggy...:rolleyes:

ksigmason
20-01-2012, 05:44 AM
Perhaps you can confirm or refute the following
Duncan's Ritual and Monitor (http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun08.htm) does say that, but if you read it, it is not a declaration or an establishment of subservience to the Jewish nation. Looking at Duncan's monitor, "nation" quote falls in during the description of the symbolism of the degree, specifically the Ark of the Covenant and the lore of it in Masonry. It is not altogether surprising to see the word Jew in this ceremony as the Royal Arch degree surrounds the legend of the Jews coming back to Jerusalem after their time in Babylon and attempting to rebuild the Temple of Solomon.

The Degree explains the origins of the Substitute Word found in the Master Mason Degree, the recovery of the Ineffable Word, and its concealment within the Royal Arch Word. This Degree, together with the Master Mason Degree, may have once been exemplified as one large or "super" Degree, with the Master Mason Degree explaining the loss of the Master's Word and the Royal Arch explaining the recovery of the Master's Word. The presiding body is a Chapter, and the presiding officer is a High Priest (titled Excellent).

SOURCE (http://yorkrite.com/degrees/#1)

decim
20-01-2012, 06:59 PM
Many languages have undergone vowel shifts, but the major changes of the English vowel shift occurred within the relatively short space of a century or two, quite a sudden and dramatic shift in linguistic terms.

A major factor separating Middle English from Modern English is known as the Great Vowel Shift, a radical change in pronunciation during the 15th, 16th and 17th Century,

Two particularly influential milestones in English literature were published in the 16th and early 17th Century. In 1549, the “Book of Common Prayer” (a translation of the Church liturgy in English, substantially revised in 1662) was introduced into English churches, followed in 1611 by the Authorized, or King James, Version of “The Bible”, the culmination of more than two centuries of efforts to produce a Bible in the native language of the people of England.

The letters "u" and "v", which had been more or less interchangeable in Middle English, gradually became established as a vowel and a consonant respectively, as did "i" and "j".

http://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/history_early_modern.html

In fact, Jesus is referred as a "Jew" for the first time in the New Testament in the 18th century; in the revised 18th century English language editions of the 14th century first English translations of the New Testament.

The etymology of the word "Jew" is quit clear. Although "Jew" is a modern conception its roots lie in the 3rd and 4th centuries AD. That is, the modern English word "Jew" is the 18th century contraction and corruption of the 4th century Latin "Iudaeus" found in St. Jerome's Vulgate Edition and derived from the Greek word "Ioudaios."

The evolution of this can easily be seen in the extant manuscripts from the 4th century to the 18th century, which illustrate not only the origin of the word "Jew" found in the Latin word "Iudaeus" but also its current use in the English language.

Littered throughout these manuscripts are the many earlier English equivalents used by various chroniclers between the 4th and the 18th century.

Thus, from the Latin "Iudaeus" to the English "Jew" the evolution of these English forms is: "Gyu," "Giu," "Iu," "Iuu," "Iuw," "Ieuu," "Ieuy," "Iwe," "Iow," "Iewe," "Ieue," "Iue," "Ive," "Iew," and then, finally, the 18th century, "Jew." Similarly, the evolution of the English equivalents for "Jews" is: "Giwis," "Giws," "Gyues," "Gywes," "Giwes," "Geus," "Iuys," "Iows," "Iouis," "Iews," and then, finally, in the 18th century, "Jews."

For example: two of the best known 18th century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) Edition and the King James Authorized Edition and both contain the word word "Jew."

Yet, when the English language version of the Rheims (Douai) New Testament was first printed in 1582 the word "Jew" did NOT appear in it.

Similarly the King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English (begun in 1604) and first published in 1611, here too the word "Jew" did NOT appear.

That is, the word "Jew" first appeared in both these well known editions in their 18th century revised versions. The combination of the Protestant Reformation, the publication of the revised English language 18th century editions and the printing press (allowing unlimited quantities of the New Testament to be printed) meant the wide distribution of these English language Bibles throughout the English speaking world.

That is, among people who had never possessed a copy of the New Testament in any language but who were now in possession of one in their native tongue.

And, although these 18th century editions first introduced the word "Jew" to the English language the word as it was used in these has since continued in use in all the editions of the New Testament in the English language.

Consequently, any modern, so-called "1611 Authorised King James Version" available today is NOT a facsimile of the original 1611 "Authorised Version" but a copy of the 1769 revision.

Even those editions that may even proclaim "1611" in the frontispiece to promote sales are deceptions, for, they too are simply modern print runs of the Blayney's 1769 edition.

These are editions in which the original text and words of the "1611 Authorised King James Version" have been altered with spellings revised and some words changed in almost every printing done since 1769 and, also, with fourteen entire books plus extra prefatory features removed from almost every printing done since 1885.

To get an original, un-redacted "1611 Authorised King James Version" is more problematic and far more expensive.

Originals are rare and eminently collectible and fetch huge prices while facsimiles and exact photographic facsimile edition are less exorbitant but still expensive.

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/origin_of_the_word_jew.html

lightgiver
20-01-2012, 08:29 PM
The word Jew is, likewise, a Gaelic term. It did not refer to a racial group per se. It referred to any man or woman who rose up to study the great mysteries in order to attain spiritual perfection. It referred to those who shone like the sun, morally and spiritually, and to those who lived in harmony with nature. Its origin is the Gaelic Ibur, meaning "Yew Tree," or Iuh or Iudach (later Yudah or Judah) meaning "the "bright," or "the shining," or "the daylight." It referred to those awakened ones, the devotees of the stars. This is where we get the word "Judge." Thus, the original "Judites" were nothing less than the awakened ones who revered the twelve signs of the zodiac. They were the astrologers of Ireland and Egypt.

Half of European men share King Tut's DNA - YouTube
http://youtu.be/5Vg2BMkEjR0

— Michael Tsarion; The Irish Origins of Civilization, Volume 1

Fortingall Yew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rodin
20-01-2012, 11:20 PM
Duncan's Ritual and Monitor (http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/dun/dun08.htm) does say that, but if you read it, it is not a declaration or an establishment of subservience to the Jewish nation. Looking at Duncan's monitor, "nation" quote falls in during the description of the symbolism of the degree, specifically the Ark of the Covenant and the lore of it in Masonry. It is not altogether surprising to see the word Jew in this ceremony as the Royal Arch degree surrounds the legend of the Jews coming back to Jerusalem after their time in Babylon and attempting to rebuild the Temple of Solomon.

In 1962, Ben-Gurion predicted the end of the Cold War in the late 1980s, and went on to express a burning desire for world governance, led by the Jewish nation:

“The image of the world in 1987 as traced in my imagination: the Cold War will be a thing of the past. Internal pressure of the constantly growing intelligensia in Russia for more freedom and the pressure of the masses for raising their living standards may lead to a gradual democratization of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, the increasing influence of the workers and farmers, and rising political importance of men of science, may transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy. Western and Eastern Europe will become a federation of autonomous states having a Socialist and democratic regime. With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, all other continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the scene of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah.” (Gurion, David Ben & Duchovny, Amram. David Ben-Gurion, In His Own Words. Fleet Press Corp., 1969, p. 116; also quoted in Look Magazine, January 16, 1962, p. 20)


everyone should read this link BTW

http://zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order/

Here is Rothschild's Masonic building

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/babylonillum2/58_01supremecourt.jpeg

http://www.abidemiracles.com/555701.htm

Case for the prosecution. Now lets see you defend against my and others accusations that Masonry is JEWISH.

lightgiver
20-01-2012, 11:36 PM
Case for the prosecution. Now lets see you defend against my and others accusations that Masonry is JEWISH.

And you are a Muslim...

rodin
21-01-2012, 12:26 AM
And you are a Muslim...

I have proved they are innocent of 911 and 7/7 etc and are Demonised by Satan's Press. However I did say

.... Muslims should be discriminated against in the UK in the same way any sensible nation would discriminate against interlopers with an alien culture

You are an arse - now that IS true

lightgiver
21-01-2012, 12:51 AM
I have proved they are innocent of 911 and 7/7 etc and are Demonised by Satan's Press. However I did say



You have proved nothing of the sort..the only agenda you have on here is a anti Jewish one...

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6361/bookhouseofbush.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/bookhouseofbush.jpg/)

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ksigmason
21-01-2012, 09:00 AM
Case for the prosecution. Now lets see you defend against my and others accusations that Masonry is JEWISH.
Masonry isn't Jewish. The legend of our supposed beginnings surrounds the building of Kings Solomon's Temple which isn't strictly Judaic, it's Old Testament. For the longest time one had to be Christian, and in some jurisdictions you still need to be, to join. I mean in the York Rite, the Order of the Temple is extremely Christian, a beautiful degree (at least the American style as I have never seen non-American Templar rituals).

From your site:

For a moment lets go back to the top of the 30 steps, as we know there are 33 degrees in Free Masonry but the last three are the ones of higher learning and preparations to enter the Illuminati. So as we move from the top of the stairs towards the Pyramid we see a great library with three tiers to those three levels of higher learner. They three final steps in Free Masonry and after that if ones choose to go higher and have been accepted they enter the highest levels of the Illuminati. It is also important in this building to note that the 33rd level ends at the base of the Pyramid.
The 33 degrees as well as the noticeable use of a numbering system are only pertinent to the Scottish Rite, and only has authority over the Scottish Rite branch, nothing more.

So the American York Rite has 3 bodies:

Royal Arch Chapter consisting of:

Mark Master
Past Master
Most Excellent Master
Royal Arch Mason


Council of Cryptic Masons consisting of:

Royal Master
Select Master
Super Excellent Master (note: very few jurisdictions regularly confer this degree)


The Chivalric Orders are composed of:

Illustrious Order of the Red Cross
Order of Malta
Valiant and Magnanimous Order of the Temple


There are also several invitational and honorary bodies that have stricter membership requirements than any of the Scottish Rite degrees (actual and imaginary):

York Rite College: an invite-only organization oriented around those who are highly proficient at rituals

Order of the Knight of York
Order of the Purple Cross


Knights of the York Cross of Honor: Requirements for membership are that each proposed candidate for membership must have presided over a Lodge as a Master, over a Chapter as High Priest, over a Council as Illustrious Master and over a Commandry as Commander.

Red Cross of Constantine: Knights Companions of the Order meet in Conclaves of the Red Cross of Constantine and a member must be a Royal Arch Mason in good standing and subscribe to a belief in the Christian religion as revealed in the New Testament. Membership is by invitation and each Conclave has a prescribed membership limit.

There are also two chair degrees conferred on the Viceroy and Sovereign of a Conclave, and two honorary orders: Knight Commander of Constantine and Knight Grand Cross.

Allied Masonic Degrees: An invitational organization, and requires membership in the Royal Arch as well as the Symbolic Lodge. Membership is limited to 27 members per council.

Royal Ark Mariner
Secret Monitor
Knight of Constantinople
Saint Lawrence the Martyr
Architect
Superintendent
Grand Tilers of Solomon
Master of Tyre
Excellent Master
Installed Sovereign Master
Installed Commander Noah
Red Branch of Eri
Ye Ancient Order of Corks


Knight Masons: An invitational and honorary bodies.

Holy Royal Arch Knights Templar Priest: The Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests is an honorary and invitational organization with membership limitations and cannot be applied for. Members are selected and extended invitations on the basis of outstanding performance as a Commander of a Commandery of Knights Templar.

I believe there are 33 degrees to this, but not all of them are conferred.

Sovereign Order of Knights Preceptor: An organization for Past and Present Commanders of Constituent and Subordinate Commanderies of the Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the United States of America

Order of the High Priesthood: A "chair" degree conferred on those who have presided over the Royal Arch Chapter.

Order of the Silver Trowel: A "chair" degree conferred on those who have presided over the Council of Cryptic Masons.

Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis (SRICF): Not really needed to be a York Rite Mason, but nonetheless it requires you to be Christian to be invited.
First Order

Grade I – Zelator
Grade II – Theoricus
Grade III – Practicus
Grade IV – Philosophus


Second Order

Grade V – Adeptus Minor
Grade VI – Adeptus Major
Grade VII – Adeptus Exemptus


Third Order

Grade VIII – Magister
Grade IX – Magus
KGC~ Knight Grand Crosses are awarded to IX grade Magi for exemplary effort in the work of the Society & Rosicrucianism in general.


Rectified Scottish Rite: A Christian order by invitation-only. A reformed variant of the extinct Rite of Strict Observance.

4.5° Perfect Master of St. Andrew (Worked at the same time as 4° Scottish Master)
5° Ecuyer Novice/Squire Novice
6° Chevalier Bienfaisant de la Cité Sainte/Knight Beneficient of the Holy City


Commemorative Order of St.Thomas of Acon: A chivalric order by invitation-only.

Royal Order of Scotland: An Invitational Masonic Organization for 32nd Degree Masons or Knights Templar with at least five years in the Fraternity and distinguished service in Masonic, Church, or Civic Activities.

Heredom of Kilwinning
Rosy Cross


Masonic Order of Athelstan: It is an invitation only organization.

So we have the York Rite here with lots more degrees than the Scottish Rite and I even left out the Grand College of Rites. None of these bodies can usurp the Grand Lodges (or Blue Lodge).

ksigmason
21-01-2012, 09:05 AM
From your site:

Much can be said about this symbol and the symbol of the masons with the compass and square with the "G" in the middle, but I will leave that for another time or for someone else.
Actually the "G" is really only used in America and some other Lodges around the world, but a lot of times that space is empty or you can see a cross or an eye.

Overall this site doesn't really establish anything Masonic about the building but just spouts off some words and expects the reader to just take his word at it without corroborating the facts.

rodin
21-01-2012, 07:31 PM
You have proved nothing of the sort..the only agenda you have on here is a anti Jewish one...

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6361/bookhouseofbush.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/bookhouseofbush.jpg/)

Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudi Arabia, through his Kingdom Holding Company, owns 7% of News Corp.'s shares, making Kingdom Holdings the second largest shareholder


Bush is either crypto or shabbos goy. Saudis definitely crypto.

G-ddamit, I have a good mind to post all of ZionCrimeFactory stuff here. He's the 22 year old guy who put together the 'Israel did 911 - all the proof in the world' article that took the net by storm. Now he has gone further - too far for Jews like Jeff Rense and Mike Rivero it seems - but he states an awful lot of sourced facts. BTW I currently do not give Eustace Mullins and Juri Lina a free pass. Best observer of all (with his OWN experiences to recount, not those of 'witnesses') is Douglas Reed.

That latest ZCF article again

http://zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order/#comment-4861

...closer to the mark than most

lightgiver
21-01-2012, 09:09 PM
Bush is either crypto or shabbos goy. Saudis definitely crypto.

...closer to the mark than most

All labels...

Sahyun (Arabic: صهيون‎, Ṣahyūn or Ṣihyūn) is the word for Zion in Arabic and Syriac. Drawing on biblical tradition, it is one of the names accorded to Jerusalem in Arabic and Islamic tradition. A valley called Wâdi Sahyûn (wadi being the Arabic for "valley") seemingly preserves the name and is located approximately one and three-quarter miles from the Old City of Jerusalem's Jaffa Gate.

The Kaaba in Mecca was also called Sahyun or Zion by Muhammed, the prophet of Islam this is so called by non Muslims. Islamic scholarship sees many passages of the Bible that refer to the desert or eschatological Zion as references to the holy site of Mecca. For example, the reference to the "precious cornerstone" of the new Jerusalem in the Book of Isaiah 28:16 is identified in Islamic scholarship as the cornerstone of the Kaaba. This interpretation is said by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyah (1292–1350) to have come from the People of the Book, though earlier Christian scholarship identifies the cornerstone with Jesus...

Boney M. - Rivers Of Babylon - YouTube

"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Tzion." (Psalms 137:1)

In the Rastafari movement, "Zion" stands for a utopian place of unity, peace and freedom, as opposed to "Babylon", the oppressing and exploiting system

rodin
21-01-2012, 09:50 PM
All labels...

Sahyun (Arabic: صهيون‎, Ṣahyūn or Ṣihyūn) is the word for Zion in Arabic and Syriac. Drawing on biblical tradition, it is one of the names accorded to Jerusalem in Arabic and Islamic tradition. A valley called Wâdi Sahyûn (wadi being the Arabic for "valley") seemingly preserves the name and is located approximately one and three-quarter miles from the Old City of Jerusalem's Jaffa Gate.

The Kaaba in Mecca was also called Sahyun or Zion by Muhammed, the prophet of Islam this is so called by non Muslims. Islamic scholarship sees many passages of the Bible that refer to the desert or eschatological Zion as references to the holy site of Mecca. For example, the reference to the "precious cornerstone" of the new Jerusalem in the Book of Isaiah 28:16 is identified in Islamic scholarship as the cornerstone of the Kaaba. This interpretation is said by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyah (1292–1350) to have come from the People of the Book, though earlier Christian scholarship identifies the cornerstone with Jesus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FgDles4xq8&feature=player_detailpage

"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Tzion." (Psalms 137:1)

In the Rastafari movement, "Zion" stands for a utopian place of unity, peace and freedom, as opposed to "Babylon", the oppressing and exploiting system


Zionists Schmionists

Its mafiya Jews I am gunning for

The Sanhedrin of Satan

http://zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order/#comment-4861

rodin
21-01-2012, 09:53 PM
Masonry isn't Jewish. The legend of our supposed beginnings surrounds the building of Kings Solomon's Temple which isn't strictly Judaic, it's Old Testament. ....

Stop right there. The Old Testament was a Jewish concoction after Christ's time

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=77604

lightgiver
21-01-2012, 10:31 PM
Its mafiya Jews I am gunning for

The Sanhedrin of Satan


From your bedroom...or living room :D

ksigmason
22-01-2012, 02:13 AM
Stop right there. The Old Testament was a Jewish concoction after Christ's time.
Note: I'm riding this prior to looking at your link.

Now I don't know your religious beliefs, but if you put any stock into the New Testament (in any fashion) then the OT holds just as much weight. If you put stock into the Koran, then you must say that the Torah/Talmud/OT holds weight as the Koran just borrowed legends from it and suited it to their version of salvation and the Divine. If you're atheist, I'm not here to debate the existence of God nor the validity of the various religious texts.

Fact remains is that Masonic legend is based on the story of Solomon building the Temple that commemorated his name. Whether you believe the story or not, that is fact. It is also true that many Christian churches, some of which are staunchly anti-Jewish, still hold the OT to be valid and a part of their dogma.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=77604
A junk thread trying to disqualify science so you can attack the Judaic faith. Anti-Jewish people can sometimes be disgusting.

rodin
24-01-2012, 09:31 PM
A junk thread trying to disqualify science so you can attack the Judaic faith. Anti-Jewish people can sometimes be disgusting.

Au contraire - that thread is full of facts to support the thesis.

Freemasons are shabbos goy run by Jews.

lightgiver
24-01-2012, 09:41 PM
A junk thread trying to disqualify science so you can attack the Judaic faith. Anti-Jewish people can sometimes be disgusting.

Also Fanatical and Hysterical...

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3078/6a00d8341c003953ef0120a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/6a00d8341c003953ef0120a.jpg/)

ksigmason
25-01-2012, 12:29 AM
Freemasons are shabbos goy run by Jews.
Not true. Our leadership is elected democratically and rules within a set of bounds set by us, the members.

rodin
25-01-2012, 01:10 AM
Not true. Our leadership is elected democratically and rules within a set of bounds set by us, the members.

Why are you even responding to my posts? Surely you have better things to do? If I am so wide of the mark as you claim that is...

lightgiver
25-01-2012, 01:23 AM
Why are you even responding to my posts? Surely you have better things to do? If I am so wide of the mark as you claim that is...

So where are your origins of freemasonry...or did you start this thread just to Bash jews.:rolleyes:

ksigmason
25-01-2012, 06:16 AM
Why are you even responding to my posts?
Because I believe in assuring honesty and spreading the truth.

Surely you have better things to do? If I am so wide of the mark as you claim that is...
No. I just finished with homework and just checking before I go to bed.

decim
25-01-2012, 02:16 PM
Sin A Gog Ov Satan

THE OVA AND UNDA LORDs

THE OVA AND UNDA LORDs - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4HL6iGR3tQ

ksigmason
25-01-2012, 05:25 PM
Copyright stops me from watching the video

rodin
26-01-2012, 12:12 AM
So where are your origins of freemasonry...or did you start this thread just to Bash jews.:rolleyes:

You have not read the thread properly. Esp the OP posts. After you have get back to me

rodin
26-01-2012, 12:12 AM
Copyright stops me from watching the video

Explain.

lightgiver
26-01-2012, 01:13 AM
You have not read the thread properly. Esp the OP posts. After you have get back to me

I have read the thread properly...where are your definite origins of freemasonry ;)

ksigmason
27-01-2012, 12:17 AM
Explain.
When I click on it, it says I cannot view it because of copyright laws.

offramp
28-01-2012, 12:28 AM
I am not prepared to read through 45 (count them!) pages of posts.
Someone has to give me an executive summary of what has happened so far.

lightgiver
28-01-2012, 12:55 AM
I am not prepared to read through 45 (count them!) pages of posts.
Someone has to give me an executive summary of what has happened so far.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/588/bcptalk01oct06htmlm7e5f.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/bcptalk01oct06htmlm7e5f.jpg/)

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4238/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/masonichandshakebabylon.jpg/)

rodin
28-01-2012, 06:50 PM
A summary of the Origin of Freemasonry thread

9 Pharisee-types cooked up a pre-Freemasonry in AD 43 'the mysterious force' to combat Christ. They made up an esoteric history from that of Egypt (mainly). SD-ecret handed down thru families. Cause Crusades via 9 Templars (banking connection etc). On to the Medicis then Oppenheimers who set up Rothschilds.

1717 the old craft societies of artisans etc were usurped - 'accepted' (ie fake) masons were admitted. Entire kaboodle based on same Jewish hoax as the Old Testament, written in time for the Crusades hoax and made up by embellishing and extrapolating the original Egyptianate fake backstory to the mysterious force.

Other notable dates

1517 Luther conned into splitting the Christian church, later would write 'On the Jews and their Lies' - never mentioned in history books.

1917 Jewish Bolshevicki start the massacre of Christians in East.
1917 Balfour Declaration sets in motion the Zionist conquest of Israel.

These are but dots, there is a lot of joining in the body of the thread. I suggest you read it with lightgiver on ignore as this poster is spamming and deliberately spoiling the continuity.

rodin
28-01-2012, 06:52 PM
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=197154

...these are ancient Egyptian bloodlines, Jews simply used them as a basis for their faked history

lightgiver
28-01-2012, 09:29 PM
These are but dots, there is a lot of joining in the body of the thread. I suggest you read it with lightgiver on ignore as this poster is spamming and deliberately spoiling the continuity.

I have contributed a lot more un biased info on your thread then yourself on this issue...

Subject: Was Martin Luther a Jesuit/Rosicrucian?

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7582/luthersrose.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/luthersrose.jpg/)

Eric...

Through one of the links you sent out, I discovered (what I consider to be) a very interesting person, namely Alan Watt ... He has been a regular guest on Jackie Patru’s “Sweet Liberty”, and on 011805 the following conversation took place:

JP: How do the Jesuits figure into this? When you mentioned Venice, I read quite a long thing about their control of trade and commerce in Venice.

AW: Well, the Jesuits, they have their PR segment that started out to fight this new thing created by one of their members, Martin Luther, this protestant sect…

JP: Was he a Jesuit?

AW: He definitely was a Rosicrucian, in fact, that’s on his coat of arms, his family crest, the rose and cross…

JP: Martin Luther? [Laughs]

AW: Uh-huh, and, of course, the Catholic Church at that time was burning everybody who it didn’t like. All it did with Martin Luther was call him in for a few questions and let him go. So why did they let him go? That was because it was the right time to create an opposition for the upcoming industrial age in creating the protestant sect with the protestant work ethic. That was important… [At this point, Alan Watt gets disconnected and the line goes dead]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=100219&page=62



1517 Luther conned into splitting the Christian church, later would write 'On the Jews and their Lies' - never mentioned in history books.

ksigmason
28-01-2012, 10:07 PM
Cause Crusades via 9 Templars (banking connection etc). On to the Medicis then Oppenheimers who set up Rothschilds.
Now were there only 9? Michael the Syrian believes there were more, almost 4 times that.

1717 the old craft societies of artisans etc were usurped - 'accepted' (ie fake) masons were admitted.
You're actually thinking of the word 'speculative' (philosophical).

Plus you're basing this belief that the Templars led to the formation of the Freemasons, but there is tons of Templar perpetuation myths (many of them started by Masons who starting a new order/body wanted to give it a higher pedigree). Many of them are easily proven as historically inaccurate and false.

None of these other dates have anything to do with Freemasonry.

rodin
29-01-2012, 10:30 AM
Now were there only 9? Michael the Syrian believes there were more, almost 4 times that.


You're actually thinking of the word 'speculative' (philosophical).

Plus you're basing this belief that the Templars led to the formation of the Freemasons, but there is tons of Templar perpetuation myths (many of them started by Masons who starting a new order/body wanted to give it a higher pedigree). Many of them are easily proven as historically inaccurate and false.

None of these other dates have anything to do with Freemasonry.

Michael the Syrian can think what he likes.

Freemasonry has everything to do with 1717. The other dates are significant for the Christ-hating Jews who set up Freemasonry. Freemasonry, like Communism, Zionism and the Mafiya, is a subset of the Jewish Cabal's international organisation.

rodin
29-01-2012, 10:43 AM
I have contributed a lot more un biased info on your thread then yourself on this issue...

Interesting you quote Jackie Patru. On her site

THE GREATEST HOAX

A STUDY OF THE INCONSISTENT THEOLOGY OF MODERN DAY BIBLE PROPHECY


by: Charlie Samples

This book was written for essentially two reasons. To expose the erroneous teachings of the modern day churches regarding the second coming of Christ; and to prove that the "churches" in America have been teaching and propagating the doctrine of the New World Order for over 100 years.

Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, LEGIONS OF SATAN , in 1781, THAT Cornwallis revealed to Washington that a

"holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will supposedly be the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be the loyal subjects of the Crown."
Cornwallis went on to explain that what would seem to be a seem to be a contradiction:

"Your churches will be used to teach the Jews' religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."
And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through false religion what he had won with his army.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/greatesthoax.htm

Do you believe her?

I would dearly like to read 'Legions of Satan'. However either it is a hoax itself, or it has been expunged from all libraries as Eustace Mullins and others have claimed.

Alan Watt hardly ever mentions the overarching Jewish dimension to the world conspiracy.

Now what holds more weight, a chat between AW and JP about who or what Luther was, or Luther's own words?

decim
29-01-2012, 03:27 PM
The Takeover continues apace...

Franc-maçon - Franc-maçonnerie

France - Franks - Frankfort SkUll

Quotations

1599, William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor, Act II: Scene 1:

Mrs. Ford. How now, sweet Frank! why art thou melancholy?

1996 Frank McCourt, Angela's Ashes, HarperCollins, ISBN 0 00 649840 X, Chapter VII, page 197:

Your name is Francis, is it?
Frank, sir.
Your name is Francis. There was never a St. Frank. That's a name for gangsters and politicians.

Parisian - Phariseen

70,000 pieces of silver (http://www.jewishmag.com/105mag/jewishacademy/jewishacademy.htm)

The Exilarchs also known as Nisi'im was an ancient Babylonian Jewish institution the origin is traced all the way to King Yehoiakim, the exiled monarch of Judea in the Sixth Century BCE.

Under Pepin the Short it was a politically prudent thing to confirm Septimanian independence under the rulership of a Nasi (Potentate) of Judah.

He gave the Jews their Principate or Princedom and ceded to them one third of Narbonne.

While the Jews were permitted to own land and even have Christian slaves run their homes and farms, a great Academy rose in Narbonne which attracted the greatest of scholars from Palestine as well as Babylon.

Mizrahi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia- France 400,000

ksigmason
29-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Michael the Syrian can think what he likes.
The theory of only 9 knights comes to us from William of Tyre, both of these men started their work decades (nearly a century) after the Templars were founded.

Freemasonry has everything to do with 1717. The other dates are significant for the Christ-hating Jews who set up Freemasonry. Freemasonry, like Communism, Zionism and the Mafiya, is a subset of the Jewish Cabal's international organisation.
1717 is the year the Grand Lodge of England was founded, but there were Lodges meeting long before the foundation of the Grand Lodge. There are records of this. Freemasonry isn't anti-Christian. That is absurd. Freemasonry cannot be like communism or zionism as we are not a political power. Nor are like the mafia. This is just anti-Jewish nonsense.

marpat
29-01-2012, 08:44 PM
The theory of only 9 knights comes to us from William of Tyre, both of these men started their work decades (nearly a century) after the Templars were founded.


1717 is the year the Grand Lodge of England was founded, but there were Lodges meeting long before the foundation of the Grand Lodge. There are records of this. Freemasonry isn't anti-Christian. That is absurd. Freemasonry cannot be like communism or zionism as we are not a political power. Nor are like the mafia. This is just anti-Jewish nonsense.

Rodin is notoriously anti-jewish and anti-masonic in the most ignorant sense. He fails to see that many masonic orders require a person to be a christian before you can join.

The trouble with these jew hating, far right christians is that they will only believe what they want to regardless of what facts are presented to them.

rodin
29-01-2012, 09:06 PM
The theory of only 9 knights comes to us from William of Tyre, both of these men started their work decades (nearly a century) after the Templars were founded.


1717 is the year the Grand Lodge of England was founded, but there were Lodges meeting long before the foundation of the Grand Lodge. There are records of this. Freemasonry isn't anti-Christian. That is absurd. Freemasonry cannot be like communism or zionism as we are not a political power. Nor are like the mafia. This is just anti-Jewish nonsense.

I take neither account as reliable, but the nine crop up in multiple instances re money-changing murderers.

Before 1717 and going a long way back were craft societies. Not the same thing at all. Masons are trained to hate Catholics. I know from my own Grandfather.

Sure there will be protestant 'Christian' lodges - so long as they support the Jewish Master Plan ie subservience to the Chosen Ones.

rodin
29-01-2012, 09:08 PM
Rodin is notoriously anti-jewish and anti-masonic in the most ignorant sense. He fails to see that many masonic orders require a person to be a christian before you can join.

The trouble with these jew hating, far right christians is that they will only believe what they want to regardless of what facts are presented to them.

Did Jews do 911 or was it Muslims like the Jewish media says?

lightgiver
29-01-2012, 09:21 PM
Do you believe her?


Should we believe you ?

Did Jews do 911 or was it Muslims like the Jewish media says?

Why are you going on about 911 for...seeing you are bringing it up, yes I believe saudia arabia had a hand in 911...no doubt.

Saudi royal family corruption (1 2) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/G4Kpm-yHCzw

Saudi royal family corruption (2 2) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/zJj5wet-E1g

The oil-rich Arab leaders have a growing influence over the western media.

Alwaleed Says He'll Continue Working With Goldman Sachs...
Alwaleed Says He'll Continue Working With Goldman Sachs: Video - YouTube
http://youtu.be/QQ2nKxkGy4s

A good chunk of AOL Time Warner is owned by Prince Alwaleed Ibn Talal the Saudi billionaire. It is well known that Prince AlWaleed is a front for the Saudi royal family. All of the oil money that is swindled from Aramco the Saudi oil company is "invested" by Prince Al Waleed and his company.

The Saudis and other oil-rich Arabs are busy buying influence over what Westerners hear about Islam.

Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, a member of the Saudi Royal Family, is an international investor currently ranked among the ten richest persons in the world.

Prince Talal is also creating a TV channel, Al-Resalah, to target American Muslims. He already broadcasts in Saudi Arabia. In 2005, Bin Talal bought 5.46% of voting shares in News Corp, the parent of Fox News.

Al-Resalah (Arabic: قناة الرسالة‎; The Message) is an Arabic language satellite television channel "to present true Islam".

It is funded by Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia, recorded in all over the United Arab Emirates to Morocco and Kuwait, and broadcast from Cairo. Al-Resalah has slots on the Arabsat and Nilesat satellites, serving primarily the Middle East, but North Africa and Europe as well.

In December 2005 he boasted to Middle East Online about his ability to change what viewers see on Fox News. Covering the riots in France that fall, Fox ran a banner saying: "Muslim riots." Bin Talal was not happy. "I picked up the phone and called Murdoch [...] [and told him] these are not Muslim riots, these are riots out of poverty," he said. "Within 30 minutes, the title was changed from Muslim riots to civil riots."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Resalah_Satellite_TV

I take neither account as reliable, but the nine crop up in multiple instances re money-changing murderers.

Before 1717 and going a long way back were craft societies. Not the same thing at all. Masons are trained to hate Catholics. I know from my own Grandfather.


CATHOLICS THE BUTCHERS OF OLD ...

9 Months Pregnant - YouTube
http://youtu.be/bVlUFrcZQ6E

The Albigensian Crusade or Cathar Crusade (1209–1229) was a 20-year military campaign initiated by the Catholic Church to eliminate Catharism in Languedoc.

Albigensian Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rodin
30-01-2012, 06:48 AM
Should we believe you ?

Why are you going on about 911 for...seeing you are bringing it up, yes I believe saudia arabia had a hand in 911...no doubt.

It's a litmus test to see which posters are pure shills and which are just argumentative. I note your lawyers's answer 'had a hand in' which is true - the Jewish House of Saud were flown out on a jet while all else but El Al was grounded.

You DARE not say that Saudis flew jets though, because any last vestige of credibility you had (none resides with me) would evaporate

ksigmason
30-01-2012, 07:11 AM
I take neither account as reliable, but the nine crop up in multiple instances re money-changing murderers.
Anything referencing 9 Knight Templars all originates with William of Tyre's accounts.

Masons are trained to hate Catholics. I know from my own Grandfather.
No we're not. That is a personal belief of your Grandfather, not the fraternity as a whole.

dr steam
30-01-2012, 11:17 AM
Rodin is notoriously anti-jewish and anti-masonic in the most ignorant sense.

Oh Dear ...

stewart edwards
30-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Rodin to echo what ksigmason has written, on of my relatives was, albeit the first, Catholic through his lodge.

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 04:47 PM
You DARE not say that Saudis flew jets though, because any last vestige of credibility you had (none resides with me) would evaporate

the saudi arabian illuminati (Islamic secret societies) provided the Jets in the first place...

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2079/54515saudiworkeddirectl.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/54515saudiworkeddirectl.jpg/)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7441/chopper022.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/chopper022.jpg/)

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2589/1358920962852878183do.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/1358920962852878183do.jpg/)


The oil-rich Arab leaders have a growing influence over the western media.

Alwaleed Says He'll Continue Working With Goldman Sachs...

Saudi royal family corruption (1 2) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/G4Kpm-yHCzw

If you watch the Video you will see all the spare planes they have on offer...In between the thinly veiled threat to the reporters and interviewer and just look at all those companies they have invested in...In Turkey there is a saying, never trust an Arab.

Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh (Urdu: احمد عمر سعید شیخ) (sometimes known as Umar Sheikh, Sheikh Omar, Sheik Syed, or by the alias "Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad" is a British-born militant of Pakistani descent with links to various Islamist militant organisations, including Jaish-e-Mohammed, al-Qaeda, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and the Taliban.

In 1999, Indian Airlines Flight 814 was hijacked from Nepal. Its hijackers demanded his release along with Masood Azhar and Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar, who were leaders of Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, to Pakistan...

Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh (Sheik Syed), using the alias "Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad" had sent about $100,000 from the United Arab Emirates to Mohamed Atta.

More than a month after the money transfer was discovered, the head of ISI, General Mahmud Ahmed resigned from his position.

Sheikh rose to prominence with the 2002 killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who at the time was in Pakistan investigating connections between the ISI and Islamic militant groups.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/60/bergheadedl468x350.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/259/bergheadedl468x350.jpg/)

Taliban recruits teenage suicide bombers for revenge attacks ...Taliban child suicide bomber propaganda video ...

Taliban child suicide bomber propaganda video - YouTube
http://youtu.be/_lwaypeucTk



I honestly believe raving rodin and a few others on here live in cloud cuckoo land...your credibility evaporated a long time ago ...

offramp
30-01-2012, 09:38 PM
...Masons are trained to hate Catholics. I know from my own Grandfather...
What about Catholic Freemasons? Are they trained to be sort of Emo Freemasons?

offramp
30-01-2012, 09:42 PM
... the Jewish House of Saud ....YES! Quote of the year!

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 09:49 PM
YES! Quote of the year!


NO...Lets see your evidence...

The House of Saud (Arabic: آل سعود‎ Āl Suʻūd), also called the Al Saud, is the ruling royal family of Saudi Arabia and one of the wealthiest and most powerful dynasties in the world. The family holds thousands of members. It is composed of the descendants of Muhammad ibn Saud and his brothers, though the ruling faction of the family is primarily led by the descendants of Abdulaziz ibn Abdul Rahman Al Saud. The family advocates Salafi Islam and unification of Arabia...

A Salafi (Arabic: سلفي‎) is a follower of a Sunni Islamic movement, Salafiyyah, that is supposed to take the Salaf who lived during the patristic period of early Islam as model examples...

Salafis view the first three generations of Muslims—the Sahabah, or Companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and the two succeeding generations after them, the Tabi‘un and the Tabi‘ al-Tabi‘in—as an eternal model for all succeeding Muslim generations, especially in their beliefs and methodology of understanding the texts, but also in their method of worship, mannerisms, morality, piety and conduct. This belief is based on a number of sources in the Qur'an and Sunnah, such as the narration in Saheeh al-Bukhari of `Abd Allah ibn `Umar (a companion of Muhammad) who narrated that Muhammad said:

"The best people are those of my generation, and then those who will come after them (the next generation), and then those who will come after them (i.e. the next generation),..."

—Sahih al-Bukhari collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari

What about Catholic Freemasons? Are they trained to be sort of Emo Freemasons?

What about you...

Arab Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

rodin
30-01-2012, 11:06 PM
Tell me brothers - these 'Catholic' Freemasons - are they a recent development in the membership? Post V2?

Tony Blair is a Jew pretending to be a Catholic, for example.

You do know there is a mountain of quotes by Jews commenting on how Freemasonry is Jewish? In their own words?

rodin
30-01-2012, 11:09 PM
The 18th century founder of the Wahabi sect, Muhammed ibn Abd Al Wahhab, had his origin from the Jewish community of Turkey. His grandfather was a Turkish Jew belonging to the Doenmeh community, as the "secret Jews" of Turkey were known who collaborated with secular dictator, Mostafa Kemal Ataturk (himself a Doenmeh) to secularize Turkey. The Doenmeh Jews are a very manipulative and dangerous community.

http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2433.0

Later Ataturk turned against the Freemasons, and consequently succumbed to slow poisoning.

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 11:14 PM
Tell me brothers - these 'Catholic' Freemasons - are they a recent development in the membership? Post V2?

Tony Blair is a Jew pretending to be a Catholic, for example.

You do know there is a mountain of quotes by Jews commenting on how Freemasonry is Jewish? In their own words?

Have you seen the skull cap the pope wears...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8112/beneseat.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/beneseat.jpg/)

:D I wonder if they could find a bigger chair...

CLANDESTINE VERSUS REGULAR FREEMASONRY: WHO DECIDES?

By Fahim A. Knight-El

Also as newly raised Brother Masons, I advise that they remember the new name they were giving during the Entered Apprentice Degree which was Caution—I advise that until one fully understand the role that the Compass and Square plays as Operative Tools and how we use them for the more noble and glorious purposes in Speculative Masonry that they should continue to wear the new name of Caution. Masonry is not a sprint, but is a travel (marathon) that will continue to evolve with age, experience and willingness to seek external knowledge. Lastly, I believe that Freemasonry had it's origins in Kemet (Ancient Egypt) and that it was the Nubians who introduced civilization to Europe and the entire world. Please do not take my word, but do your own independent research. So Mote it Be.

Fahim A. Knight-El Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of goodwill, of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolism and reinterpreted the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlightened world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight-EI can be reached at fahimknight@ yahoo.com.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-El

rodin
30-01-2012, 11:22 PM
Have you seen the skull cap the pope wears.......

Glad you noticed that

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 11:31 PM
Glad you noticed that


You don't say...I am so reassured now that you noticed that I had noticed...

The World is Not Enough part 3 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/iR6ixesbaHs


http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4075/575s.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/575s.jpg/)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7832/vajrayoginikagyu.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/vajrayoginikagyu.jpg/)

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1007/665pxkippah1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/665pxkippah1.jpg/)

The calvaria (or calva, skullcap, plural calvariae) is the upper part of the cranium and surrounds the cranial cavity containing the brain.

The calvaria (skull cap) is made up of the frontal, occipital and right and left parietals.

The outer surface of the skull possess a number of landmarks. The point at which the two parietal bones and frontal bones meet is known as "Bregma". The point at which the two parietal and occipital bone meet is known as "Lambda" Luke... And when they came to the place which is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on the right and one on the left.

A skull cup is a drinking vessel or eating bowl made from an inverted human calvaria that has been cut away from the rest of the skull...
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/7751/skullcupzr01.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/814/skullcupzr01.jpg/)
In India and Tibet the skull cup is known as a Kapala, and is used in Buddhist tantric and Hindu tantric rituals. The skull does not belong to an enemy, and indeed the identity of the skull's original owner is not considered significant, as ritual purity in death has divested the human soul from its corporeal form. Hindu deities such as Kali are sometimes depicted holding a kapala full of human blood

Calvary or Golgotha was the site, outside of ancient Jerusalem’s early first century walls, at which the crucifixion of Jesus is said to have occurred... Calvary and Golgotha are the English names for the site used in Western Christianity...

place of a skull...
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/733/caduceusr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/caduceusr.jpg/)

Matthew... And when they came to a place called Gol'gotha (which means the place of a skull)...In some Christian and Jewish traditions, the name Golgotha refers to the location of the skull of Adam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvaria_(skull)

Calvary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=16102

rodin
30-01-2012, 11:36 PM
The Catholic Church was a Jewish construct IMO. Confession very useful for blackmail/ recruitment purposes etc.. Jews ran Rome since Nero - wife name Popaea (pope/papa) the Jewess who set off the state -sanctioned Christian holocaust in Rome.

All in this thread

lightgiver
30-01-2012, 11:47 PM
The Catholic Church was a Jewish construct IMO. Confession very useful for blackmail/ recruitment purposes etc.. Jews ran Rome since Nero - wife name Popaea (pope/papa) the Jewess who set off the state -sanctioned Christian holocaust in Rome.

All in this thread

It makes no difference to you whatever anyone posts on here,all roads lead to the Jews according to your philosophy ...which is one sided,bigoted and narrow minded ...I think you should seek help for your crazed obsession.

ksigmason
31-01-2012, 05:17 AM
Tell me brothers - these 'Catholic' Freemasons - are they a recent development in the membership? Post V2?
I know some who are elderly and have been both Catholic and Masons for for 50+ years.

I have met some Catholic Priests even who are Masons.

You do know there is a mountain of quotes by Jews commenting on how Freemasonry is Jewish? In their own words?
Such as? Were they Freemasons themselves?

rodin
31-01-2012, 08:17 AM
Such as? Were they Freemasons themselves?

They were Jews.

Freemasonry became a Jewish-Cabbalist conspiracy, the aim of
which was to subjugate the civilised Jewry and to enslave the rest of
humanity. In 1869, a Jew was grand master of the Scottish Rite in
Paris (Henry W. Coil, "Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia", Macoy Publishing,
Richmond, Virginia, 1996, p. 260). The Grand Orient admitted
Jews without restrictions.

Morin's mission was to make all gentile freemasons function as
extremist Jews or as their henchmen. In any case, they serve in the
interest of Zionism.

The masonic leaders appear to follow the doctrine of the Talmud,
which states that if there were no Jews, the earth would not be any
blessing, neither sunshine nor rain nor humanity would exist
(Jebammoth, fol. 98 a). Pretence is therefore common within freemasonry
since this is also condoned by the Talmud. In the same
collection of teachings, rabbi Bechai states: "Pretence is permitted as
long as the Jew shows politeness to the unclean gentile, that he
shows the gentile respect and says to him: I love you." But rabbi
Bechai explains that this rule applies, only if the Jew needs the
gentile or if there is reason to believe that the gentile could harm
him. In all other cases, this (showing respect for a gentile) becomes a
sin (Gittin, fol. 61 a).

British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli spoke in 1852 to the
House of Commons, referring to the events of 1848: "The natural
equality of men and the abolition of property are proclaimed by the
secret societies, which form the provisional governments; and men of the
Jewish race are at the head of each of them."

The rabbi Isaac Wise (1819-1900), chairman of B'nai B'rith's suborganization
in Cincinnati, Ohio, explained that "freemasonry is a
Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments,
passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end"
(Israelite of America, 3 August 1866).

He also stated: "Freemasonry is the executive political organ of the
Jewish financial elite." He meant that freemasonry is the political
action group of the extremist Jews.

The Jewish Tribune (New York) wrote on 28 October 1927: Masonry
is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic
Ritual and what is left?"

The Jewish Guardian admitted openly on 12 April 1922: "Freemasonry
is born out of Israel."

The following could be read in the French masonic magazine Le
Symbolisme (July 1928): "The most important duty of freemasonry must
be to glorify the Jews, which has preserved the unchanged divine standard
of wisdom."

The high-ranking freemason Dr Rudolph Klein stated: "Our rite is
Jewish from beginning to end, the public should conclude from this that
we have actual connections with Jewry." (Latomia, No. 7-8, 1928)
A speech at the B'nai B'rith convention in Paris, published shortly
afterwards in The Catholic Gazette (London) in February 1936 and in
Le reveil du peuple (Paris) a little later, stated: "We have founded
many secret associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders
and our direction. We have made it an honour, a great honour, for
the Gentiles to join us in our organizations, which are, thanks to our
gold, flourishing now more than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those
Gentiles who betray their own and most precious interests, by joining us
in our plot, should never know that those associations are of our
creation, and that they serve our purpose...
One of the many triumphs of our freemasonry is that those Gentiles
who become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are
using them to build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect
the throne of our Universal King of the Jews; and should never know that
we are commanding them to forge the chains of their own servility to our
future King of the World..."

The honorary president of the B'nai B'rith Lodge, the rabbi Dr Leo
Baeck, at the inauguration of the district Grand Lodge Kontinental
Europa XIX in Basel on 14 September 1955, said: "The mission of the
lodges in Europe is to be the conscience of the Jews and to make sure
that the conscience of the Jews does not wither away in the various
countries." (Judische Allgemeine Zeitung, 27 January 1956)
The Zionist leader Theodor Herzl wrote in his "Tagebucher" (p. 92):
"In the present nations, freemasonry is only of benefit to the Jews, but it
shall be abolished later."

"Each Lodge is and must be a symbol of the Jewish Temple; each
Master of the Chair, a representative of the Jewish king; and every Mason
a personification of the Jewish workman." ("An Encyclopaedia of
European Freemasonry", Philadelphia, 1906)

The rabbi Georg Salomon in Hamburg asked the following illuminating
question in his booklet "Voices from the East": "Why is there
no trace of the Christian Church in the entire ritual of freemasonry? Why
is the name of Christ not mentioned once, either in the oath or in the
prayer, which is uttered at the opening of a new lodge or at the district
lodge? Why do the freemasons not count time from the birth of Christ,
but instead, like the Jews, from the Creation?" (pp. 106-107).

Above from Juri Lina's 'Architects of Deception'

In the JEWISH CHRONICLE, Oct. 19, 1889, you can find these remarks on pp. 77, 78:

"Masonry tolerates everything except a clericalism (Catholicism) and it possesses a special attraction for Jews. Clericalism has always persecuted Masonry everywhere. There exists between Jews and Freemasons an invisible but potent natural alliance against a common enemy... Together they fight ... against religious fanaticism and racial antipathies."

Much of the present day liberalism in politics, which encourages interracial marriages; laws which discriminate against whites in employment, etc., are promulgated by legislators who are Freemasons. It is all part of their heritage as Lodge members. It might be of further interest to note, that the International Bankers who dominate international finance and who were responsible for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which now controls American economics, were Jewish Masons.

In a remarkable study, done over a hundred years ago, a French writer, Gougenot de Mousseauz, collected large numbers of documents which proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Jews ran the inner circles of Freemasonry in Europe. On pg. 340 of his book LEJUIF, LAJUDAISME. el la Judaisarion des Peoyles Chretiens, published in Paris in 1869, he said:

"The real chiefs of this immense association (Freemasonry) are mostly Jews, and live in close and intimate relationship with the militant members of Judaism, those namely, who are leaders of the Cabalist section. This is known to only an intimate few in Masonry."

M. Daniel, another French writer, quotes from Mons Barbier's INFILTRATIONS MACONIQUES, p.99:

"I have often heard French Masons lament the dominance of Jews... Ever since the revolution, Jews have taken possession of Masonic rites. The Cabala rules its mistress in the inner-circle of the Lodge and the Jewish spirit dominates the lower grades... In the mind of Satan, the synagogue has an all-important part to play... The greatest enemy counts on the Jews to control Masonry, as he counts on Masonry to destroy the Christian faith."

also

While most Masons will aggressively deny this, the anti-Christian character of Freemasonry is kept in the dark, and the inner circles of the Lodge are defended with fanaticism.

To give you an example, the following is part of a speech, delivered Sept. 20, 1902, by Senator Gelpech, President of the French Grand Orient:

"The triumph of the Galilean (Christ) has lasted for many centuries, but now he dies in turn. The mysterious voice announcing the death of the impostor god (Jesus), who promised an era of justice and peace to them who believed him. The illusion has lasted for a long time. The mendacious (false) god is now disappearing in his turn. Brother Masons, we rejoice to state that we are not without our share in the overthrow of this false prophet. The Roman Church, founded on this Galilean myth, began to decay rapidly in the day in which the Masonic Association was established." (UNQ).


http://www.themasonictrowel.com/books/the_hidden_powe_behind_freemasonry/files/chapter_18.htm

rodin
31-01-2012, 08:32 AM
I know some who are elderly and have been both Catholic and Masons for for 50+ years.

I have met some Catholic Priests even who are Masons.

The Roman Catholic Church has been the most persistent critic of Freemasonry. The Church has prohibited its members from being Freemasons since In Eminenti Apostolatus in 1738. Since then, the Vatican has issued several papal bulls banning membership of Catholics from Freemasonry under threat of excommunication. Currently, as reiterated in 1983, Catholics who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion;[1] the penalty of excommunication is not declared in the current code of canon law, but membership remains forbidden.[2] The prohibition is often ignored by Catholic Masons who continue receiving the sacraments.

In 1974 Cardinal Franjo Seper, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, sent a letter which seemed to relax the previous absolute ban on Freemasonry[7][8] which caused confusion[9] and led many Catholics to become Freemasons.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Freemasonry#The_Catholic_Ban_on_F reemasonry_since_the_Second_Vatican_Council

Yes, but are they really Catholics?

The Jewish banking family of Rothschild have controlled the Vatican finances for 2 centuries.

Early in the 19th century the Pope came to the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds werevery friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcasticly say “Rothschild has kissed the handof the Pope…Order has at last been re-established.”39 The Rothschilds in fact over time were entrustedwith the bulk of the Vatican’s wealth. The Jewish Ency., Vol. 2, p.497 states, ,,It is a somewhatcurious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time(1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/53283608/26/Rothschilds-the-Vatican

ksigmason
01-02-2012, 06:03 PM
They were Jews.
So they weren't Freemasons then?

In 1869, a Jew was grand master of the Scottish Rite in Paris
Do you have a name or are you just throwing out "Jew" for the hell of it? Plus the leader of the Scottish Rite is not "Grand Master". The leaders of the Scottish Rite are referred to as Grand Commanders.

The Grand Orient admitted Jews without restrictions.
Oh the horror! How could they do such a thing.

In any case, they serve in the interest of Zionism.
No we really don't.

The masonic leaders appear to follow the doctrine of the Talmud, which states that if there were no Jews, the earth would not be any blessing, neither sunshine nor rain nor humanity would exist (Jebammoth, fol. 98 a).
Nothing in Freemasonry supports this.

The rabbi Isaac Wise (1819-1900), chairman of B'nai B'rith's suborganization in Cincinnati, Ohio, explained that "freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end" (Israelite of America, 3 August 1866).
And I would disagree with this quote, particularly in regards to the York Rite oriented organizations.

The Jewish Tribune (New York) wrote on 28 October 1927: Masonry
is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic
Ritual and what is left?"
Hmmmm...can't find any trace of this paper.

The Jewish Guardian admitted openly on 12 April 1922: "Freemasonry is born out of Israel."
Well, as I said, our legend is based on King Solomon's Temple so yeah, there is some connection to Israel.

Never heard of Rudolph Klein, must not be that important. I could claim all sorts of stuff on a website, but its not worth much without proof. How about actual leaders of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is too decentralized and confederated, a democratic electoral and legislative system, executive/leadership over-watch (jurisprudence committee), and far too many variables for Freemasonry to be controlled by a secret ("elite") group. I have sat in far too many meetings, worked with Grand bodies, and some international bodies, to see that we couldn't be the victim of puppet masters.

Do you have any real world, 1st hand experience of any of your assertions or are you just another drone sucking at the tit of Fear Inc., and acting as nothing more than a mouth-piece for their propaganda machine?

"Masonry tolerates everything except a clericalism (Catholicism) and it possesses a special attraction for Jews.
Nope, what Lodges stopped a Catholic man from joining? I know many Catholics who are Masons. I know many Catholics who want to be Masons, but struggle with the Church's condemnation of us.

Clericalism has always persecuted Masonry everywhere.
Well, technically not "always" as they really didn't start condemning the Craft until just after the speech known as Ramsay's Oration.

There exists between Jews and Freemasons an invisible but potent natural alliance against a common enemy... Together they fight ... against religious fanaticism and racial antipathies."
I'm guessing you find something wrong with the bolded phrase?

Much of the present day liberalism in politics, which encourages interracial marriages; laws which discriminate against whites in employment, etc., are promulgated by legislators who are Freemasons.
Such as? Please list some names. I am personally a staunch conservative and don't agree with liberal policies.

It might be of further interest to note, that the International Bankers who dominate international finance and who were responsible for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, which now controls American economics, were Jewish Masons.
Names? Lodge? Initiation dates? Positions held?

Please note that the Grand Orient is a travesty of a "Masonic" organization. The words "Masonic" or "Freemason" is not a copyrighted word and thus anyone can use them and in any manner. The Grand Orient doesn't follow any of the traditional landmarks and policies of regular Grand Lodges around the world.

ksigmason
01-02-2012, 06:11 PM
Ramsay's Oration (http://travelingtemplar.blogspot.com/2011/08/creation-theories-of-masonic-templary_31.html) was given almost a year prior to the Papal Bull which condemned Freemasonry. It should be noted that prior to giving the speech he had passed it by the Church and was strongly admonished for even considering it. He still gave it though, it is said. After which we not only see the condemnation of the church, but the establishment of many new Masonic orders and rites.

I had a chance to go to Italy almost a year ago and I visited a few Lodges where I met many good Brothers who had various vocations: government worker, auto industry worker, teachers, and a few Catholic priests.

Yes, but are they really Catholics?
That's between them and God. You are no one to define their relationship with God nor what his judgment with anyone is.

rodin
01-02-2012, 09:27 PM
So they weren't Freemasons then?

They were probably all Freemasons also, I can't say for sure. But they were definitely Jews.

Do you have a name or are you just throwing out "Jew" for the hell of it? Plus the leader of the Scottish Rite is not "Grand Master". The leaders of the Scottish Rite are referred to as Grand Commanders.


Oh the horror! How could they do such a thing.


No we really don't.


Nothing in Freemasonry supports this.


And I would disagree with this quote, particularly in regards to the York Rite oriented organizations.


Hmmmm...can't find any trace of this paper.

Re above - are you saying the authors of the pieces I quoted from are referencing made up sources?


Well, as I said, our legend is based on King Solomon's Temple so yeah, there is some connection to Israel.

Never heard of Rudolph Klein, must not be that important. I could claim all sorts of stuff on a website, but its not worth much without proof. How about actual leaders of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is too decentralized and confederated, a democratic electoral and legislative system, executive/leadership over-watch (jurisprudence committee), and far too many variables for Freemasonry to be controlled by a secret ("elite") group. I have sat in far too many meetings, worked with Grand bodies, and some international bodies, to see that we couldn't be the victim of puppet masters.

Do you have any real world, 1st hand experience of any of your assertions or are you just another drone sucking at the tit of Fear Inc., and acting as nothing more than a mouth-piece for their propaganda machine?


Nope, what Lodges stopped a Catholic man from joining? I know many Catholics who are Masons. I know many Catholics who want to be Masons, but struggle with the Church's condemnation of us.


Well, technically not "always" as they really didn't start condemning the Craft until just after the speech known as Ramsay's Oration.


I'm guessing you find something wrong with the bolded phrase?


Such as? Please list some names. I am personally a staunch conservative and don't agree with liberal policies.


Names? Lodge? Initiation dates? Positions held?

Please note that the Grand Orient is a travesty of a "Masonic" organization. The words "Masonic" or "Freemason" is not a copyrighted word and thus anyone can use them and in any manner. The Grand Orient doesn't follow any of the traditional landmarks and policies of regular Grand Lodges around the world.

SOME Connection to Israel??????

Royal Arch Flags

http://bristol.indymedia.org/attachments/nov2006/royalarchflags2.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvwapJcfPi3v8MauA5XHIDrBJHcuiYS MdPc1p9QdfBbyZbtqXmo0slYuL6

The King Solomon's Temple has NO archaeological evidence supporting it. It was an invention to give the filthy swindling Pharisees a faked backstory of grandeur

lightgiver
01-02-2012, 09:50 PM
They were probably all Freemasons also, I can't say for sure. But they were definitely Jews.

Re above - are you saying the authors of the pieces I quoted from are referencing made up sources?

SOME Connection to Israel??????

The King Solomon's Temple has NO archaeological evidence supporting it. It was an invention to give the filthy swindling Pharisees a faked backstory of grandeur


You were blaming the sadducees the other day...maybe you just have a hatred of jews because of your Illness.

At least four religions are known to have used the Temple Mount: Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and Roman paganism.


Bill Cooper - It's not the Jews - YouTube
http://youtu.be/-fHmWcRZ72A

ksigmason
01-02-2012, 11:07 PM
They were probably all Freemasons also, I can't say for sure. But they were definitely Jews.
So you don't know for sure, but you're willing to just throw labels around without evidence. Good to know the content of your character.

I'd just like to see these sources for myself as yes, I believe they could be fabricated (not necessarily by you) by someone or the quotes are taken out of context (or as I call it "cut-n-pasted").

SOME Connection to Israel??????
Did you not read one of my earlier posts where I discussed the Royal Arch? The ceremony is based off of the legend of the Jews returning to Jerusalem after their years exiled in Babylon. I've never denied this, but basing a ritual off of a legend does not constitute absolute loyalty. Nor do we necessarily believe it actually happened as the Masonic ritual says, it is a ceremony of lessons.

offramp
02-02-2012, 04:25 AM
...It was an invention to give the filthy swindling Pharisees a faked backstory of grandeur
I am glad to see you taking the LONG view.

rodin
02-02-2012, 09:33 PM
So you don't know for sure, but you're willing to just throw labels around without evidence. Good to know the content of your character...

Look m8 the majority WERE definitely Freemasons, probably all were is all I said.

RIGHT

Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

I learned today FIRST HAND that someone quite high in UK Utilities was asked to join your stinking secret society. He was told

1) His mortgage would be paid
2) He would never have to pay for electricity or gas again

He declined, because he felt the 'Masons' would own him.

rodin
02-02-2012, 09:34 PM
You were blaming the sadducees the other day...maybe you just have a hatred of jews because of your Illness.

At least four religions are known to have used the Temple Mount: Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and Roman paganism.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fHmWcRZ72A&feature=player_detailpage
http://youtu.be/-fHmWcRZ72A

I am putting you on ignore for the amount of spamming you do. Do not bother to reply. r