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lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:01 AM
Thought it would be interesting to have a look at the esoteric theory behind masonic rituals:Of course it goes without saying that the authors cited here are probably masons themselves, so it is up to the individual to discern the information. however, I do remember as a child my old man telling me about king solomons temple, the murder of Hiram Abiff who is perceived as the architect / master worker..

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Initiation Into the Lodge
(1) The Symbolism of the Lodge

Although the rule is no longer rigorously applied,
Freemasonry requires that candidates must be of sound mind and able bodied; any physical handicap is supposed to bar admission."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs,
Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

This is similar to the basic requirements for admission into the Yahad
or "Unity group" described in several of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

As the candidate "progresses through the ceremonies he learns that at the building of King Solomon's Temple at Jerusalem the skilled masons were divided into two classes, Apprentices and Fellows; that they were presided over by three Grand masters (King Solomon, Hiram King of Tyre, and Hiram Abiff) who shared certain secrets known only to them; that these secrets were lost by the murder of Hiram Abiff - a result of his refusal to divulge the secrets - and that certain substituted secrets were adopted 'until time or circumstance should restore the former'. The implication in the ritual is that Freemasonry was already established in Solomon's time and has continued as an unchanged system since them. The ritual, however, as the candidate quickly realizes, is not literal or historical truth but a dramatic allegory by means of which the principles and tenets of the Craft are handed down."
- John Hamill, The Craft, A History of English Freemasonry

"While there probably are some actual stone-workers who are Masons, Masonry does not teach is membership the literal techniques of stonework. Rather, it takes the actual 'operative' work of Medieval Masons and uses it as an allegory for moral development. Thus, the symbols of Masonry are the common tools that were used by medieval stonemasons: the gavel, the rule, the compass, the square, the level, etc. Each of these has a symbolic meaning in Masonry. For example, Masons are said to meet 'on the level', meaning that all Masons are brothers, regardless of social status, personal wealth, or office within the Lodge or in the world at large. Similar symbolism exists for other tools."
- Andrew Fabbro, Freemasonry FAQ Version 1.2

"The purpose of Masonry is to train a human being so that he will reconstuct, through the body of change and death which he now has, a perfect physical body which shall not be subject to death. The plan is to build this deathless body, called by modern masons Solomon's Temple, out of material in the physical body, which is called the ruins of Solomon's Temple."
- Harold Waldwin Percival, Masonry and Its Symbols in the Light of "Thinking and Destiny"

"And since sin has destroyed within us the first temple of purity and innocence, may they heavenly grace guide and assist us in rebuilding a second temple of reformation, and may the glory of this latter house be greater than the glory of the former."
- Masonic prayer

"The lodge as a room or hall is an oblong square, which is a half of a perfect square, and which is inside or outside the lower half of a circle. Each lodge meets in the same room, alike furnished, but the lodge working in the Apprentice degree is styled the Ground Floor, the lodge working the Fellow Craft degree is called the Middle Chamber, and the lodge working the Master degree is called the Sanctum Sanctorum, all in King Solomon's Temple."
- Harold Waldwin Percival, Masonry and Its Symbols in the Light of 'Thinking and Destiny'

"Q. Where were you made a Mason?
A. In the body of a Lodge, just, perfect and regular.
Q. And when?
A. When the sun was at its meridian.
Q. As in this country Freemasons' Lodges are usually held and candidates initiated at night, how do you reconcile that which at first sight appears a paradox?
A. The sun being a fixed body and the earth continually revolving about the same on its own axis and Freemasonry being a universal science, diffused throughout the hole of the inhabited globe, it necessarily follows that the sun must always be at its meridian with respect to Freemasonry."
- Masonic ritual

"Freemasons today claim always to meet symbolically at noon on the basis that Freemasonry is a worldwide organisation and therefore 'the sun is always at its meridian with respect to Freemasonry'. Masonic reference to God as 'the most high' is therefore a description of Re, the sun god in his ultimate position, the zenith of the heavens at noon.
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

Note that the initiation rights for the various degrees of Freemasonry may vary somewhat from lodge to lodge.

(2) First Degree - Entered Apprentice Freemason

The working tools of an Entered Apprentice are the gauge and the mallet.

"When the Candidate is first admitted into a Masonic Lodge his condition as an Entered Apprentice is represented by the Rough Ashlar, the first of a set of three symbols which the Craft calls the Three Immovable Jewels. An ashlar is a building stone; a rough ashlar is a stone which has not yet been shaped into the form required by ts place in the structure."
- W. K. Kirk MacNulty, Freemasonry - A Journey through Ritual and Symbol

"...The perfect ashler is also a stone, made ready by the working-tools of the fellow craft, to be adjusted in the building; and the trestle-board is for the master workman to draw his plans and designs upon."
- Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"The material which makes up the First Degree encourages the Candidate to take such a deep look at himself and the workings of his psyche, and it is for this reason that one must ask to become a Mason. No one should b persuaded to assume that sort of responsibility until he feels he is ready for it."
- W. K. Kirk MacNulty, Freemasonry - A Journey through Ritual and Symbol

The initiation to the first degree begins when the candidate is brought before the entrance to the temple and the guard hits the door with the hilt of his sword.
"I was hoodwinked (that is, blindfolded) and dressed in loose-fitting white trousers and top. One foot was in a simple slipper (the expression for this is 'slipshod'), my left leg was exposed to the knee, and the left breast of the tunic had been drawn aside so that my chest was bared on that side. Unbeknown to me a hangman's noose had been put around my neck and draped down my back. I had been relieved of all metal objects and I was not ready to be lead into the Temple. (We later learnt that this mode of dress, the rough smock with the running noose about the neck, was exactly how a medieval heretic would have been treated by the Inquisition prior to making his confession.)" - Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

The hangman's noose is actually called a "cable-tow" which is defined as a "rope; cable; cord; ritualistically, symbol or method of control of and initiate" (which may have been how a person was led during the Inquisition). Several Masons have written to me that most of the information Knight and Lomas present about Freemasonry is either outdated or incorrect

The candidate was questioned with a dagger blade pressed to his throat about his eligibility and whether his motives in joining are worthy. (Although the dagger is apparently not used in many [if not all] American lodges, I have been reliably informed that it is still used in United Grand Lodge of England [UGLE] rituals.) After a short prayer, the candidate is lead three times around the perimeter, pausing on each lap to be introduced as a "poor candidate in a state of darkness". In the coronation of an Egyptian pharaoh, too, the new king is conducted around the Temple to show himself worthy . The candidate is then brought before the Worshipful Master's pedestal:

"Q. How were you prepared?
A. By being divested of all metals, neither naked nor clothed, barefoot nor shod, hoodwinked, with a cable-tow around my neck; in which condition I was conducted to the door of a Lodge by a friend, whom I afterward found to be a brother.
Q. How did you know it to be a door, being hoodwinked?
A. By first meeting with resistance, afterward gaining admission
Q. How gained you admission?
A. By three distinct knocks.
Q. What were said to you from within?
A. Who comes here?
Q. Your answer?
A. Mr -----. who has long been in darkness, and now seeks to be brought to light, and to receive a part in the rights and benefits of this worshipful Lodge, erected to God, and dedicated to the holy Sts. John [John the Baptist and John the Evangelist], as all brothers and fellows have done before."
- Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

The abbreviated modern version goes:

Q. Having been in a state of darkness, what is the predominant wish of your heart?
The answer is whispered into the candidate's ear.
A. Light.
Q. Then let that blessing be restored.

The blindfold is removed and the "lights" of Freemasonry revealed - the Volume of the Sacred Law (the Bible), the Square and the Compass. The secret signs, grips and password of the first degree are explained, as well as the meaning of Boaz, the left-hand pillar in the Porchway of Solomon's Temple. The candidate is then presented with a white lambskin apron "more ancient than the Golden Fleece or Roman Eagle". Throughout the ceremony Apprentice is taught moral virtues based on architectural analogies. At the conclusion, as in each degree, is a celebratory dinner with much toasting, speeches and singing.

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lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:03 AM
The working tools of a Fellow Craft are the plumb, the square and the level. The candidate is admitted to the Temple in the same garb as he wore during the First Degree. He then has to recite memorized answers to a series of questions, including:

Q. What is Freemasonry?
A. A peculiar system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols.
Q. What are the three grand principles upon which Freemasonry is founded?
A. Brotherly love, relief and truth.
- Masonic ritual

"In the Second Degree ceremony the candidate is asked, 'What are the peculiar objects of research in this degree?' The answer he is required to give is: 'The hidden mysteries of nature and science.' On completion of the making of the new Fellow Craft he is told: 'You are now expected to make the liberal arts and sciences your future study'."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

Again the candidate is conducted around the Temple, new signs and passwords revealed, and a white apron with two rosettes. This time he learns the meaning of the right hand pillar of Solomon's Temple, "Jachin" and is permitted to extend his "researches into the hidden mysteries of science and nature".

"The Second or 'Fellowcraft' Degree of Freemasonry gives very little knowledge to the candidate but it does introduce the idea of 'hidden mysteries of nature and science' and makes a clear reference to what is called the 'Galilean Heresy'."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/masons/mrituals.html#Hiram

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:10 AM
The working tool of a Master Mason is the trowel, which spreads the cement and completes the work of the Entered Apprentice and Fellow Craft.

The candidate first must pass a series of test question before he is given a password to enter the temple which is in total darkness. The ceremony begins with a brief review of the other degrees and the candidate is told:

"But the Third Degree is the cement of the whole; it is calculated to bind men together by mystic points of fellowship, as in a bond of fraternal affection and brotherly love; it points to the darkness of death and to the obscurity of the grave as a forerunner of a more brilliant light, which shall follow at the resurrection of the just, when these mortal bodies which have been long slumbering in the dust shall be awakened, reunited with their kindred spirit, and clothed with immortality..."
- Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

"The candidate after this is prepared, blindfolded and tied with cable-tow around his waist, enters the lodge. He is received on both points of the compass, pressed against his breast."
- Harold Waldwin Percival, Masonry and Its Symbols in the Light of 'Thinking and Destiny'

After a prayer and a ceremony resembling the first two degrees, the Worshipful Master tells the story of Master Hiram Abiff, said to have been the "principle architect" of Solomon's Temple.

"Wither our Master Hiram Abif had retired to pay his adoration to the Most High, as was his wonton custom, it being the hour of high twelve."
- Masonic Ritual

"According to Masonic tradition Hiram was murdered by three of his assistants [Jubela, Jubelo, and Jubelum] soon after he had completed the bronzework of the Temple [of Solomon]. And this event was for some reason regarded as so laden with meaning that is was commemorated in the initiation ceremonies for Master masons - in which each initiate was required to play the role of the murder victim."
- Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

Refusing to divulge the secrets of his craft, Hiram receives a violent blow on his forehead which drops him to his left knee. At that point in the story, the candidate receives a light blow to his temples and is pressed to the ground by two deacons to his left knee. The story where Hiram seeks to escape by the west gate and is struck with another blow. The candidate goes down on his right knee.

At the east gate, the third ruffian "struck him a violent blow full in the center of the forehead with a heavy stone maul, which laid him lifeless at his feet. Such was he manner of his death."

"In the light of the candle I saw the Worshipful Master reach forward over his pedestal with an instrument which touched my forehead and I felt many hands pulling me backwards to the floor. I was held straight and my feet were kept in place, so that I hinged backwards as I swung into the darkness. As I touched he ground a funeral shroud was immediately draped around me, so only my upper face was uncovered."
- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"Blindfolded on the ground, the initiate hears the three murderers decide to bury him in a pile of rubble until 'low twelve' (midnight), when they will carry the body away from the Temple. To symbolize the burial of Hiram Abiff, the candidate is wrapped in a blanket and carried to the side of the room. Soon he hears a bell strike twelve times and is carried from the 'rubble' grave to a grave dug on the brow of a hill 'west of Mount Moriah' (the Temple Mount). He hears the murderers agree to mark his grave with a sprig of acacia, then set out to escape to Ethiopia across the Red Sea." - John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

The Junior Warden attempts to raise the candidate from his "grave" using the grip of an Entered Apprentice, but fails. The Senior Warden then is told to try using the Fellowcraft grip which is equally ineffectual. Finally, the Worshipful Master himself grips the candidate tightly using the "Lion's Paw" or "Eagle's Claw" grip and pulls the candidate immediately to his feet.

"As I reached the vertical position the Worshipful Master whispered two peculiar words in my ear."
"Ma'at-neb-men-aa, Ma'at-ba-aa.""...These words are pure Egyptian" meaning:
"Great is the established Master of Freemasonry [Ma'at], Great is the Spirit of Freemasonry [Ma'at]."

- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

Ma'at means righteousness, truth, and justice within a level and ordered symmetrical scheme and cannot be properly translated into English. Knight and Lomas have chosen "Freemasonry" as the closest equivalent meaning. A Freemason has confirmed that some of the ceremony is recognizable but the last part about the particular words is not correct.

The Worshipful Master continues:

"...You will perceive that you stand on the very brink of the grave into which you have just figuratively descended, and which, when this transitory life shall have passed away, will again receive you into its cold bosom."

The candidate's gaze is directed down in the darkness to an open grave. Inside are a human skull on a pair of crossed thighbones. The candidate is then told:

"...Even in this perishable frame, there resides a vital and immortal principle, which inspires a holy confidence, that the Lord of Life will enable us to trample the King of Terrors beneath our feet, and lift our eyes to that bright morning star whose rising brings peace and tranquillity to the faithful and obedient of the human race."

The Worshipful Master indicates a small illuminated star to the east of the candidate.

"He takes the three steps to the altar where he kneels for the third time, rests his hands on the Bible, square and compass, and takes the obligation of a Master Mason. He asks for further light in Masonry. He is brought to light by the Master of the lodge, and hoodwink and cable-tow removed. Thus he sees that both points of the compass are above the square. This is a symbol that with one who has reached this degree both aspects of the Thinker are operative above feeling-and-desire because feeling-and-desire have put themselves under the guidance of the Thinker. He receives the pass and grip of a Master Mason and wears his apron as a Master Mason, that is, with the flap and all corners down."
- Harold Waldwin Percival, Masonry and Its Symbols in the Light of 'Thinking and Destiny'


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lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:16 AM
A Modern Invention?
"The legend of the Master-Builder [Hiram Abiff] is the great allegory of Masonry. It happens that his figurative story is grounded on the fact of a personality mentioned in Holy Scripture, but this historical background is of the accidents and not the essence; the significance is in the allegory and not in any point of history which may lie behind it."
- A.E. Waite, New Encyclopedia of Freemasonry


The legend of Hiram Abiff is closely tied to the origins of German Templarism.

"Some of these seventeenth-century manuscripts [preserving the 'Old Charges'] do not refer to Hiram Abif, which has led some to believe that the character was an invention of this relatively recent period. However, the name Hiram Abif was only one designation for this central figure; he is also referred to as Aymon, Aymen, Amnon, A Man or Amen and sometimes Bennaim. It is said that Amen is said to be the Hebrew word for 'the trusted one' or 'the faithful one', which fits the role of Hiram Abif perfectly. But we also know that Amon or Amen is the name of the ancient creator god of Thebes, the city of Sequenere Tao II. Could there be an ancient linkage here?"

- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

A Connection with the Mystery Religions

"To the initiated Builder the name Hiram Abiff signifies 'My Father, the Universal Spirit, one in essence, three in aspect.' Thus the murdered Master is a type of the Cosmic Martyr - the crucified Spirit of Good, the dying god - whose Mystery is celebrated throughout the world."

"The efforts made to discover the origin of the Hiramic legend show that, while the legend in its present form is comparatively modern, its underlying principles run back to remotest antiquity. It is generally admitted by modern Masonic scholars that the story of the martyred Hiram is based upon the Egyptian rites of Osiris, whose death and resurrection figuratively portrayed the spiritual death of man and his regeneration through initiation into the Mysteries. Hiram is also identified with Hermes through the inscription on the Emerald Tablet." - Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy

"According to scripture, Hiram was not an architect but a master worker in brass and bronze. He was not murdered but lived to see the temple completed and then went back to his home."
- Baigent & Leigh, The Temple and the Lodge

Sequenere Tao II?

"The only reasonable explanation that we had come across regarding the actual name of the Masonic hero was that Hiram meant 'noble' or 'kingly' in Hebrew, while Abif has been identified as old French for 'lost one', giving a literal description of 'the king that was lost'."

- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

Knight and Lomas advance the theory that Hiram Abif was actually Sequenere Tao II, the true Egyptian king who lived at Thebes, four hundred miles south of the Hyksos capital at Avaris, near the end of Hyksos rule. Sequenere was the "new king over Egypt, that knew not Joseph", who was vizier around 1570 B.C.E. Apophis, they speculate, wanted to know the secret rites of Horus, which allowed the pharaohs in death to become Osiris and live eternally as a star. Apophis sent henchmen to extract the information from Sequenere, but he died from violent blows on the head rather than divulge anything.
The identification of Hiram Abif as Sequenere is based on the skull of the mummy, which appears to have been smashed by three sharp blows, similar to those dealt Hiram Abif. And the killers described in Masonic lore as the Juwes? Knight and Lomas suggest that they were two of Joseph's estranged brothers, Simeon and Levi, assisted by a young Thebian priest. As evidence, Knight and Lomas point to a mummy found alongside that of Sequenere. The unembalmed body was that of a young man who died with his genitals cut off and his face contorted in agony. Was he buried alive in punishment for his crime?

"Masonic ritual refers to Hiram Abif as the 'Son of the Widow'...In Egyptian legend the first Horus was uniquely conceived after his father's death and therefore his mother was a widow even before his conception. It seemed logical therefore that all those who thereafter became Horus, i.e. the kings of Egypt, would also describe themselves as 'Son of the Widow'." [See Isis, the Black Virgin for more information.]
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

A Sufi Martyr?

Sufi martyr Husayn ibn Mansur al-Hallaj, who died in 922 CE "bore some interesting parallels to the Old Testament's descriptions of Hiram the artificer: first, both men were sons of widows; second, both men had 'sons of David' play key roles in their lives (Hiram worked for Solomon, and one of Hallaj's prosecutors was named Ibn Daud [Massignon, Hallaj: Mystic and Martyr 1994], which is Arabic for 'Son of David'), and third, the Old Testament Hebrew for 'Abiff' is abyu (Kohlenberger, ed. The New International Version Hebrew-English Interlinear Old Testament 1987).

- Frater Baraka, IV, "Baphomet: A 'Mystery' Solved At Last?"

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:21 AM
King Solomon sent for Hiram of Tyre; he was the son of a widow of the tribe of Naphtali but his father had been a Tyrian, a bronze worker. He came to King Solomon and did all this work for him: He cast two bronze pillars..."
- I Kings 7: 13-15

"I have dispatched Huram-abi, a skilled artisan, endowed with understanding, the son of one of the Danite women, his father a Tyrian. He is trained to work in gold, silver, bronze, iron, stone, and wood, and in purple, blue, and crimson fabrics and fine linen, and to do all sorts of engraving and execute any design that may be assigned him, with your artisans, the artisans of my lord, your father David."
- II Chronicles 2:13-14

"There is some doubt about the name of this Tyrian craftsman. II Chronicles 2:13-14 calls him Huramabi and states that his mother was from Dan rather than Naphtali."
- John Wiliam Wevers, "The First Book of Kings" in Old Testament History

Hiram is "probably more accurately Adoniram. 'Adoniram' is manifestly derived from 'Adona', the Hebrew word for 'Lord'..."
- Baigent & Leigh, The Temple and the Lodge

"The birth of Cain...is ascribed to a union of Satan and Eve." Hiram Abiff, the architect of the metal objects in the Temple of Solomon, "descended from the line of Cain through Tubal-Cain who, with his son, was said to be the only survivor of the superior race after the flood.
That race, we are told was, or was created by, the Elohim, 'the serpent people', those of the fire snake." - David Wood, Genisis

"Yahweh sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. And the people came to Moses, and said, 'We have sinned, for we have spoken against Yahweh and against you; pray to Yahweh, that he may take away the serpents from us.' So Moses prayed for the people. And Yahweh said to Moses, 'Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he could look and the bronze serpent and live."
- Numbers 21:5-9

"...This tale was derived from the so-called Elohim (E) text of c. 750 B.C., and was apparently the origin legend designed to account for the serpent-god of bronze that was in those days worshipped in the Temple of Jerusalem, together with certain images of his Canaanite goddess-spouse, Aherah."
- Joseph Campbell, Creative Mythology

"The Dionysiac Architects constituted an ancient secret society, its principles and doctrines much like the modern Freemasonic Order. They were an organization of builders bound together by their secret knowledge of the relationship between the earthly and the divine sciences of architectonics. They were supposedly employed by King Solomon in the building of his Temple, although they were not Jews, nor did they worship the God of the Jews, being followers of Bacchus and Dionysos. The Dionysiac Architects erected many of the great monuments of antiquity. They possessed a secret language and a system of marking their stones. They had annual convocations and sacred feasts. The exact nature of their doctrines is unknown. It is believed that Hiram Abiff was an initiate of this society."
- Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy

"They made their appearance certainly not later than 1000 B.C., and appear to have enjoyed particular privileges and immunities. They also possessed secret means of recognition, and were bound together by special ties only known to themselves. The richer of this fraternity were bound to provide for their poorer brethren. They were divided into communities, governed by a Master and Wardens and called (connected houses). They held a grand festival annually, and were held in high esteem. Their ceremonials were regarded as sacred. It has been claimed that Solomon, at the instance of Hiram, King of Tyre, employed them at his temple and palaces. There were also employed at the construction of the Temple of Diana at Ephesus. The had means of intercommunication all over the then known world, and from them, doubtless, sprang the guilds of the Traveling Masons known in the Middle Ages."
- John A. Weisse, The Obelisk and Freemasonry

"The Roman Collegia of skilled architects were apparently a subdivision of the greater Ionian body, their principles and organization being practically identical with the older Ionian institution. It has been suspected that the Dionysians also profoundly influenced early Islamic culture, for part of their symbolism found its way into the Mysteries of the dervishes. At one time the Dionysians referred to themselves as Sons of Solomon, and one of the most important of their symbols was the Seal of Solomon - two interlaced triangles. This motif is frequently seen in conspicuous parts of Mohammedan mosques. The Knights Templars... are believed to have contacted these Dionysian artificers and to have introduced many of their symbols and doctrines into medieval Europe."
- Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:25 AM
In the late 18th and early 19th centuries many Europeans, Masons among them, found their way to the Middle East, where they discovered the relics of those cultures which had practiced the Ancient Mysteries. Masons with a philosophical turn of mind recognized the similarities between their Order and the ancient traditions. The similar symbolism, some of which, like the ladder from a Temple of Mithras, is shared with Masonry, encouraged the idea of Freemasonry's direct connection with those ancient rites.""Although there is evidence for a generic connection between the Craft and the Ancient Mysteries, there is no explanation of how the material might have been transmitted or how the tradition could remain hidden through the rigors of the Dark Ages and the probing of the Inquisition."
- W. Kirk MacNulty, Freemasonry - A Journey through Ritual and Symbol

"Masonry...conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it."
- General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

A brief note about Albert Pike is in order. Pike (1809-91) was a Confederate brigadier general during the American Civil War who was almost single-handedly responsible for the creation of the modern form of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. Wealthy, well read and possessing an extensive library, he served as Grand Commander of the order from 1859 until his death and wrote a number of books on history, philosophy and travel, the most famous being Morals and Dogma. Outside of the perhaps half a million members of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, most masons have never read Pike's work. Pike is often criticized by fellow masons who charge that his mystical and often controversial views have provided ample ammunition for enemies of Freemasonry.


"Much of the writings of Albert Pike are extracted from the books of the French magician, Eliphas Levi, one of the greatest transcendentalists of modern times. Levi was an occultist, a metaphysician, a Platonic philosopher, who by the rituals of magic invoked even the spirit of Apollonius of Tyana, and yet Pike has inserted in his Morals and Dogma whole pages, and even chapters, practically verbatim. To Pike the following remarkable tribute was paid by Stirling Kerr, Jr., 33? Deputy for the Inspector-General for the District of Columbia, upon crowning with laurel the bust of Pike in the House of the Temple: 'Pike was an oracle greater than that of Delphi. He was Truth's minister and priest. His victories were those of peace. Long may his memory live in the hearts of the Brethren.' Affectionately termed 'Albertus Magnus' by his admirers, Pike wrote of Hermeticism and alchemy and hinted at the Mysteries of the Temple. Through his zeal and unflagging energy, American Freemasonry was raised from comparative obscurity to become the most powerful organization in the land."
- Manly P. Hall, Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins pp 413-414

"...The Rite is organised as a pyramid, the majestic tomb of Hiram, at the top of which a 'mysterious stair' of seven steps is placed, similar to Eraclitus path Çwhich rises and descends and it is one and the sameÈ. The pyramid image immediately leads to the Egyptian sepulchres and to the journey of detachment from the body and rising, which constitute the target of the initiation. At the same time, it wonderfully synthesises the sedimentation of traditions that the Rite has made..."
- Maurizio Nicosia, The Sepulchre of Osiris


"'Let there be light!' - the Almighty spoke,
Refulgent streams from chaos broke,
To illume the rising earth!
Well pleas'd the Great Jehovah flood -
The Power Supreme pronounc'd it good,
And gave the planets birth!
In choral numbers Masons join,
To bless and praise this light divine."
- from "Anthem III" in William Preston's Illustrations of Masonry (1804)

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:28 AM
According to Professor Cornford [of the Royal College of Art], every old master painting he had investigated conformed to 'fairly straightforward geometric and/or arithmetic subdivisions of the rectangle'. There were two basic types of system - one 'was based on the account of the creation given in Plato's Timaeus, and was published by Alberti in his Ten Books on Achitecture (Florence, 1485). It proceeds by calculation as much as by construction using instruments, and it had great appeal in the High Renaissance and its aftermath, since it both dissociated art and architecture from the old, manual masonic tradition of mediaeval times, and associated them with humanist scholarship. Moreover the number system used was a kind of invocation of the divine inasmuch as the building or painting became a microcosmic rehearsal of the primal act of creation."

"The other type of system was the masonic-geometric. According to Professor Cornford, this was 'incomparably the older of the two, indeed it seems to have been known to the Ancient Egyptians and to our own megalithic culture. It survived, often surrounded by an atmosphere of craft (if not cult) secrecy, until Alberti's time, and subsequently went into eclipse..."

- Henry Lincoln, The Holy Place

"One who would walk in the Way of the Craftsman must do one thing more. He must remember, always, that he is building a temple to God. He is building an edifice in conciousness in which he, himself, is an individual stone. In time, each human being will square his stone and place it in that temple, and when that temple is complete, God will behold God in the Mirror of Existence and there will be then, as there was at the beginning, only God." - W. Kirk MacNulty, The Way of the Craftsman

"The ancient Mysteries did not cease to exist when Christianity became the world's most powerful religion. Great Pan did not die! Freemasonry is the proof of his survival. The pre-Christian Mysteries simply assumed the symbolism of the new faith, perpetuating through its emblems and allegories the same truths which had been the property of the wise since the beginning of the world. There is no true explanation, therefore, for Christian symbols save that which is concealed within pagan philosophy. Without the mysterious keys carried by the hierophants of the Egyptian, Brahmin, and Persian cults the gates of Wisdom cannot be opened." - Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy

"For he (God) is the Builder and Architect of the Temple of the universe; He is the Verbum Sapienti."
- Yost, i, 411

"In Plato's Timaeus, there appears the earliest known equation of the Creator with the 'Architect of the Universe'. The Creator, in the Timaeus, is called 'tekton', meaning 'craftsman' or 'builder'. 'Arche-tekton' thus denoted 'master craftsman' or 'master builder'. For Plato, the 'arche-tekton' crafted the cosmos by means of geometry."
- Baigent & Leigh, The Temple and the Lodge

"Although Freemasonry require each of its Candidates to confirm his belief in God, it does not expand on the subject but leaves religion and its practice to the individual Mason. As a result, men of all religious persuasions have been able to join in the study of Freemasonry's moral and philosophical principles."
- W. Kirk MacNulty, Freemasonry - A Journey through Ritual and Symbol

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:30 AM
"In ancient Egypt, the engineers, draftsmen, and masons who worked on the big architectural projects were accorded a special status. They were organized into elite guilds..."
"Evidence of the existence of these special guilds was uncovered by archaeologist Petrie during his expeditions to the Libyan desert in 1888 and 1889. In the ruins of a city built around 300 BC, Dr. Petrie's expedition uncovered a number of papyrus records. One set described a guild that held secret meetings around the year 2000 BC. The guild met to discuss working hours, wages, and rules for daily labor. It convened in a chapel and provided relief to widows, orphans, and workers in distress. The organizational duties described in the papyri are very similar to those of 'Warden' and 'Master' in a modern branch of...Freemasonry. - William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"I am the great God in the divine boat...I am a simple priest in the underworld anointing in Abydos, elevating to higher degrees of initiation...I am Grand Master of the craftsmen who set up the sacred arch for a support."
- Thoth to Osiris, The Egyptian Book of the Dead

"According to a very old Masonic tradition, the Egyptian god Thoth "had played a major part in preserving knowledge of the mason craft and transmitting it to mankind after the flood...." - David Stevenson, The Origins of Freemasonry

"...The author of a well researched academic study [The Origins of Freemasonry]...went so far as to say that, in their early days, the Masons had regarded Thoth as their patron."

"...The Book of Enoch has always been of great significance to Freemasons, and...certain rituals dating back to long before Bruce's time [1730-1794] identified Enoch himself with Thoth, the Egyptian god of wisdom." In the Royal Masonic Cyclopaedia is an entry 'that Enoch was the inventor of writing', 'that he taught men the art of building', and that, before the flood, he 'feared that the real secrets would be lost - to prevent which he concealed the grand Secret, engraven on a white oriental porphyry stone, in the bowels of the earth'." - Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:35 AM
1282

Egyptian hieroglyphics depict their extraterrestrial 'gods' wearing aprons. The priests of ancient Egypt wore similar aprons as a sign of their allegiance to the 'gods' and as a badge of their authority."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

Egyptian "priests were not permitted to wear wool, since wool came from animals, and animals obviously were unclean. They wore only fine linen, stored in special rooms of the temples and cared for by other priests whose function it was to assure their cleanliness."
- Bob Brier, Ancient Egyptian Magic

"The earliest ceremonial aprons appear to have been simple and unadorned. As time went on, mystical symbols and other decorations were added. Perhaps the most significant change to the apron occurred during the reign of the powerful Canaanite priest-king, Melchizedek, who had achieved a very high status in the Bible. Melchizedek presided over an elite branch...the Melchizedek Priesthood. Beginning around the year 2200 BC, the Melchizedek Priesthood began to make its ceremonial aprons out of white lambskin. White lambskin was eventually adopted by the Freemasons who have used it for their aprons ever since." - William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

Masonic Apron

The Worshipful Master "presented me with a lambskin or white linen apron which he informed me was an emblem of innocence and the badge of a Mason; that it had bee worn by kings, princes, and potentates of the earth; that it was more ancient than the Golden Fleece or Roman Eagle; more honorable than the Star or Garter, or any other order that could be conferred on me at that or any time thereafter by king, prince, potentate, or any other person, except be he a Mason..."
- Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"In ancient Masonry, the Masonic apron was an untrimmed white lambskin tied around the waist. This lambskin has been proclaimed by Masonry to be a badge of innocence and purity..."
"The Templar Rule forbade any personal decoration except sheepskin, and further required that the Templar wear a sheepskin girdle about his waist at all times as a reminder of his now of chastity, a context within which purity and innocence are vital..."
- W. K. Kirk MacNulty, Freemasonry - A Journey through Ritual and Symbol

"The apron shown above contains a wealth of symbolism: the beehive, emblematic of the Masonic lodge itself; the trowel, the mallet, and the trestleboard; the rough and trued ashlars; the pyramids and hills of Lebanon; the pillars, the Temple, and checkerboard floor; and the blazing star and tools of the Craft. The center of the apron is occupied by the compass and square, representative of the Macrocosm and the microcosm, and the alternately black and white serpent of astral light. Below is an acacia branch with seven sprigs, signifying the life centers of the superior and the inferior man. The skull and crossbones are a continual reminder that the spiritual nature attains liberation only after the philosophical death of man's sensuous personality." - MPH, "A Masonic Apron With Symbolic Figures"

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:38 AM
The York Rite, like the Scottish Rite, is an appendant body of Masonry, and confers degrees beyond the Blue Lodge's three degrees. It consists of nine degrees additional degrees: Mark Master, Past Master, Most Excellent Master, and Royal Arch Mason; the Cryptic Degrees of the Royal Master, Select Master, and Super Excellent Master; and the Chivalric Orders of the Order of the Red Cross, Order of the Knights of Malta and the Order of Knights Templar.

"The Temple degrees, which comprise the top degrees of the York Rite are specifically Christian.
Or at least, it can be stated that the oath is: in some Grand Lodges in the US and abroad, one need not be a Christian, but rather only be willing to take a Christian OATH. The difference here is that there are some who would willingly swear to defend the Christian faith on the grounds that they would defend any man's faith. The Chapter (or Royal Arch) and Council Of Royal And Select Masters (Cryptic Rite), which comprise the first two sections of the York Rite, are not specifically Christian."
- Andrew Fabbro, Freemasonry FAQ Version 1.2

"The York Rite Mason progresses through a series of degrees that culminate in his being made a Masonic Knight Templar. The York Rite Templar commanderies in the United states alone claim over a quarter of a million members. They maintain a national foundation for research into eye diseases of children; and fund cataract surgery for the financially disabled." -
John J. Robinson, Dungeon, Fire and Sword (1991)


http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/masons/mrituals.html#Hiram

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:49 AM
The Master Mason who wants to be 'exalted to the Supreme Order of the Holy Royal Arch' must first prove himself by answering the text questions of the Craft Third Degree before he is given a grip and a password (the meaning of which is 'my people having obtained mercy') to allow him to enter. The candidate wears his Master Mason's apron and is blindfolded with a length of rope tied about his waist."
- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

In the ritual of the Royal Arch, or Seventh Degree, the candidate re-enacts the excavation of the first temple of Solomon. In the first part of the ceremony he must search in darkness until he finds a vellum scroll. The candidate is then readmitted with two other Companions playing the parts of the three Master Masons of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego.

"As they enter they take part in a ceremony known as Passing the Veils, which represents a Priest of the Temple approaching the Holy of Holies of the Temple of Solomon."
- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

The three sojourners, freed from captivity in Babylon, offer their services to Zerubbabel to help rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon. They are assigned the lowly job of repairing the foundation.

"The whole narrative is told as though those conducting the excavation were Jews from Babylon digging in the ruins of the first Temple, but we believe it is actually describing the discoveries of the Knights Templar at the site of the last Temple. It can only refer to the ruins of Herod's Temple because the type of arch described in the ceremony is an arrangement of stones supporting each other in compression to form a curved load-bearing structure which was unknown at the time of Zerubbabel. The curved arch employed wedge-shaped, precisely cut stones requiring little or no mortar, and since it is that type of arch with three keystones which plays such a prominent part of the Royal Arch ceremony, it is absolutely certain that the setting of the story re-enacted in the ritual is Herod's Temple, which was constructed using Roman engineering principles."
- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

In the next part of the ceremony, the three masons return and discover the keystone of the principal arch of King Solomon's Temple and the master's jewels. The account continues as they are questioned by the First Principal:


"A. We repaired to the place as before, which I descended as before. The sun shone forth with such redoubled splendor that I was enabled to descend; in the eastern-most part thereof was a trunk of curious form, overlaid with gold, having on the top and sides certain mysterious characters; availing myself of this I gave the signal and ascended; on arriving at the top of the arch I found my hands involuntarily placed in this position to guard my eyes from the intense light and heat that arose therefrom above; with the trunk we repaired to the Grand Council.Q. What was their opinion of the trunk?
A. That it was the Ark of the Covenant.Q. What were its contents?
A. A pot, a rod, and a book.
Q. What was their opinion of the pot?
A. That it was the pot of manna, which Moses by divine command, laid up in the side of the ark as a memorial of the miraculous manner in which the children of Israel were supplied with that article of food for forty years in the wilderness.
Q. What was their opinion of the rod?
A. That it was Aaron's rod, that budded and blossomed, and bore fruit in a day, which Moses also, by divine command, laid in the side of the ark as a testimony, to be kept for a token.
Q. What was their opinion of the book?
A. That it was the book of the law in which it was written, I am the Lord, I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and Jacob by the name of God Almighty, but by my great and sacred name was I not know unto them.
Q. What does it contain?
A. A key to the mysterious characters upon its top and sides, by which they found those upon its sides to be the initials of our three ancient Grand Masters, S. K. of I. [Solomon, king of Israel], H. K. of T [Hiram, king of Tyre], and H. Abiff. Those upon its top, the Grand Omnific or Royal Arch word, which we as Royal Arch Masons should never give except in the presence of three Royal Arch Masons, we first agreeing by three times three, and under a living arch."
- Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"By this time the sun had attained its greatest altitude, and shining in al its splendor, darted its rays immediately into the aperture, which enabled me to distinguish those objects I had before but imperfectly discovered. In the center of the vault I saw a pedestal of pure virgin marble, with certain mystic characters engraven thereon, and a veil covering the upper face of the altar. Approaching with reverential awe, I lifted the veil, and beheld what I humbly supposed to be the sacred word itself."
- Masonic ritual quoted in Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

The meaning of the sacred word is revealed later in the ceremony. Making a "living arch", three masons grasp each other's left wrist at waist level and their right wrist over their heads. They then intone:

"As we three did agree,
In peace, love, and unity,
The Sacred Word to keep,
So we three do agree,
In peace, love, and unity,
The sacred Word to search;
Until we three,
Or three such as we, shall agree
To close this Royal Arch."


"They then balance three times three, bringing the right hand with some violence down upon the left. The right hands are then raised above their heads, and the words, Jah-buh-lun, Jeho-vah, G-o-d, are given at low breath, each companion pronouncing the syllables or letters alternately..."
- Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"In the ritual of exaltation, the name of the great Architect of the Universe is revealed as JAH-BUL-ON....Each syllable of the 'ineffable name' represents one personality of this Trinity:
JAH = Jahweh, the God of the Hebrews
BUL = Ba'al, the ancient Canaanite fertility god associated with 'licentious rites of imitative magic'
ON = Osiris, the Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld"

"...During the years between 1723 and 1813 the invocation of the name of Christ in the endings of prayers gradually died out. In masonic quotations of scripture the name of Christ came very pointedly to be deleted from the text."
"It is perhaps because the Freemasonic God, as revealed to Royal Arch Masons, is so far from being 'that Religion to which all men agree' that it was determined that Holy Royal Arch workings should not be conducted in Lodges but separately in 'Chapters' under the control of a Grand Chapter and not of Grand Lodge." - Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

Knight's analysis is only partly correct and his conclusion is almost certainly off the mark.

"...The assumption that Jahbulon means Jehovah [Yahweh], Ba'al, and Osiris is itself pure conjecture. No one knows for certain what it means, or even how the name was originally pronounced before it underwent changes from centuries of strictly verbal communication." - John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

In the initiation ceremony, the candidate is told:

"It is a compound word and its combinations form the word Jah-Bul-On. Jah the first part, is the Chaldean [Sumerian] name of God and signifies his essence and majesty incomprehensible; it is also a Hebrew word signifying 'I am' and 'shall be', thereby expressing the actual, future and eternal existence of the Most High. Bul is an Assyrian word, signifying Lord or Powerful, it is itself a compound word signifying in or on; and Bul signifying Heaven on High, therefore this word means Lord in Heaven or on High. On is an Egyptian word, signifying Father of All, and is also a Hebrew word implying strength or power, and expressive of the omnipotence of the Father of all. All the significations of these words may, therefore, be thus collected: - I am and shall be; Lord in Heaven; Father of all." - Masonic ritual quoted in Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"The first part, 'Jah', is the Hebrew word for their god, very probably with a Sumerian connection. It can be seen in this form in the name of the prophet Elijah, which is actually Eli-jah, meaning 'Yahweh is my god' (El being the ancient word for a god)." - Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"Simply, Ba'al is a Hebrew word that means lord or master. Numerous deities were addressed by that title in the Middle East, but their names have not come down to us." It is an honorific title "that is still used by the Jewish faith. For example, one who can work miracles in the name of God is known as a Ba'al shem, the lord (or master) of the Name." - John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

On is also the Hebrew word for "one". Jah-Baal-On could thus be interpreted to mean "Yaweh, the one Lord over all" which would be very much in keeping with the Christian nature of the Royal Arch rites. Most students of Masonic lore, however, prefer to place the origin of On in ancient Egypt.

"1. JAH. This name of God is found in the 68th Psalm, v. 4. [Yahweh]
2. BAAL or BEL. This word signifies a lord, master, or possessor, and hence it was applied by many of the nations of the East to denote the Lord of all things, and the Master of the world.
3. ON. This was the name by which JEHOVAH was worshipped among the Egyptians." - Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"During dynastic Egypt Ra's [the god of the sun during dynastic Egypt] cult center was Annu (Hebrew 'On', Greek 'Heliopolis', modern-day 'Cairo')." - Shawn C. Knight,"Egyptian Mythology FAQ"

"ON is but another name for the [Egyptian] god Amen...and...in Revelation 1:8, in the original, inspired text of this verse, the Greek word Christ used was 'On' - the 'existing one'." - Brad Steiger, Worlds Before Our Own

"My feeling is that 'Jah-Baal-On' was simply the names of the three great gods, of the Jews, the Canaanites and the Egyptians , all of whom were referred to as the 'Most High'." - Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

A Freemason correspondent does not remember these secret words being given in the Royal Arch Degrees so the ritual may have changed since Duncan's book was written.

"Today about one in five Freemasons are Royal Arch 'Companions', these constituting a more fervent, more indoctrinated, closer-knit inner circle."
- Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:55 AM
Chevalier Andrew Ramsay
"...There was a bitter conflict between England and Scotland around the turn of the fourteenth century, and from that time Scotland's cultural orientation shifted from England to the Continent. This change in perspective is observable in the Scottish architecture of the period - Melrose Abbey, for example, exhibits much French influence; and it is likely that the French masons involved would have come with their philosophical as well as their practical workings." - W. K. Kirk MacNulty, Freemasonry - A Journey through Ritual and Symbol

"...Peculiar is the claim that Scottish does not has any reference to Scotland and that the Rite takes its origins from English Masons, whom have in Scottish, Trustworth Scottish, and Chosen Scottish their distinctive peculiarity, while in Bordeaux, a city under English dominion for three centuries (1154 - 1453), the City Cathedral is consecrated to St. Andrew, patron saint of Scotland..."
- Maurizio Nicosia, The Sepulchre of Osiris

"Decades before the English Grand Lodge was created, many Masons in Scotland were already known to be helping the Stuarts. These Scottish loyalists used their lodges as secret meeting places in which to hatch political intrigues. Pro-Stuart Masonic activity may go as far back as 1660 - the year of the Stuart Restoration (when the Stuarts took the throne back from the Puritans). According to some early Masons, the Restoration was largely a Masonic feat. General Monk, who played such a pivotal role in the Restoration, was reported to be a Freemason."

Michael "Ramsey was a Scottish mystic who had been hired by James III to tutor James' two sons in France. Ramsey's goal was to re-establish the disgraced Templar Knights in Europe. To accomplish this, Ramsey adopted the same approach used by the Mother Grand Lodge system of London: the resurrected knights Templar were to be a secret mystical/fraternal society open to men of varied occupations. The old knightly titles, uniforms, and 'tools of the trade' were to be used for symbolic, fraternal and ritual purposes within a Masonic context."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

Charles Radclyffe, an alleged Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, presided over the Freemason lodge at which Chevalier Andrew Ramsay (a friend of Newton - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

"From its beginnings, which only shortly antedated Ramsay's intervention in 1736, French Masonry had been patronized by the highest aristocracy; this may have owed something to the Jacobite Scottish peers who had been Grand Masters of some early French lodges. The craft was supposed to have grown from 'operative' stonemasons, but in addressing a noble audience Ramsay naturally looked for something more dignified than a lineage of humble British artisans. So he gave Freemasonry a fictitious crusading parentage, suggesting that some medieval Crusaders had been both stoneworkers and knightly warriors."
"It was Ramsay, in a speech to French Freemasons ['Apology for the Free and Accepted Masons'], who suggested "that the Freemasons had access to ancient wisdom which was partly biblical in origin, and connected with the Old Testament patriarchs and the builders of the Temple, but which also reflected Egyptian and Greek mysteries, and other hidden secrets of the pagan world....He did not refer to the Masons of crusading times as a class of humble artisans but as 'religious and warlike princes who wished to enlighten, edify and build up the living Temples of the Most High'...The apparent literalness of his earlier reference to the 'Temple of Solomon' has been dropped in favor of a transparent metaphor for nobility of character and aims."
- Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians

"It was Ramsay's conceit that the Crusaders were Masons as well as Templars and that the secret words of Freemasonry originated as the watchwords of military camps. He said that by the end of the Crusades, several Masonic lodges had already been built on the European continent. Prince Edward, son of the English king Henry III, allegedly took pity on the vanquished Christian armies in Palestine after the last Crusade and brought them back to Britain in the thirteenth century. In his homeland, according to Ramsay, the prince - who later reigned as Edward I - established a colony of brothers renaming themselves Freemasons."
- Ancient Wisdom and Secret Sects

"Of the Templars Ramsay did not breathe a word. On the contrary, he spoke of intimacy between the Crusader Masons and the Knights of St John of Jerusalem, who were said to have been the occasion of giving the Masonic lodges the title of 'Lodges of St John'." - Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians

soglad
20-11-2007, 10:56 AM
Wow, that's a lot of excellent info Lyd! Thanks, I will grab a coffee and have a bash at it!

:)

lydia78
20-11-2007, 10:59 AM
The esoteric element was more prominent in the 'Red' Masonry than in the 'Blue'. But Red or Scottish Masonry can also be seen as a return to more traditional ideas of hierarchy and social order....But the Scottish higher degrees meant the implied rejection of at least a part of the ideal of egalitarianism. The higher grades involved the subordination of the lower, and also the ignorance on the part of the lower grades of the wisdom enjoyed by the higher." - Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians

"To affect their pro-Stuart political aims, the Scottish lodges changed the Biblical symbolism of the third Blue Degree into political symbolism to represent the House of Stuart. Ramsey's 'higher' degrees contained additional symbolism 'revealing' why Freemasons had a duty to help the Stuarts against the throne of England. Because of this, many people viewed Scottish Freemasonry as a clever attempt to lure freemasons away from the Mother Grand Lodge system which supported the Hanoverian monarchy and turn the new converts into pro-Stuart Masons."The Stuarts themselves joined Ramsey's organization. James III adopted the Templar title 'Chevalier St. George'. His son, Charles Edward, was initiated into the Order of Knights Templar on Setember 24, 1745, the same year in which he led a major Jacobite invasion of Scotland. Two years later, on April 15, 1747, Charles Edward established a masonic 'Scottish Jacobite Chapter' in the French city of Arras."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"We, Charles Edward, King of England, France, Scotland, and Ireland, and as such Substitute Grand Master of the Chapter of H., known by the title of Knight of the Eagle and Pelican..."
- Arras Lodge Charter

During their stay in France in 1745, the "Young Pretender" Bonnie Prince Charlie and other Stuarts "had become deeply involved in the dissemination of Freemasonry. Indeed they are generally regarded as the source of the particular form of Freemasonry known as 'Scottish Rite'. 'Scottish Rite' Freemasonry introduced higher degrees than those offered by other Masonic systems at the time. It promised initiation into greater and more profound mysteries - mysteries supposedly preserved and handed down in Scotland. It established more direct connections between Freemasonry and the various activities - alchemy, Cabalism and Hermetic thought, for instance - which were regarded as 'Rosecrucian'. And it elaborated not only on the antiquity but also on the illustrious pedigree of the 'craft'."

"...It did not, like many rites of Freemasonry, consist primarily of free-thinkers and atheists. On the contrary, it seems to have been deeply religious and magically oriented - emphasizing a sacred social and political hierarchy, a divine order, an underlying cosmic plan. And the upper grades or degrees of this Freemasonry, according to M. Chaumeil [Le Tresor du triangle d'or] were the lower grades or degrees of the Prieure de Sion." - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

"In the aftermath of the 1745 rebellion, Jacobite Freemasonry as such, with its specific political orientation and allegiance to the Stuart bloodline, effectively died out. Variations of it, however, purged of political content and tempered by the moderation of the Grand Lodge of England, survived. They survived in part through the so-called 'higher' degrees' offered by such institutions as Irish Grand Lodge. Most important, however, they survived within the Strict Observance promulgated by Hund - of which the highest degree was that of 'Knight Templar'. The Strict Observance was to spread throughout Europe." - Baigent & Leigh, The Temple and the Lodge

lydia78
20-11-2007, 11:01 AM
The rite in its present form of thirty-three degrees was reorganized at the end of the eighteenth century by some half dozen Masonic adventurers at Charleston, South Carolina."
- Charles Sotheran (1877)

The Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite (AASR) "is an appendant body of Masonry, meaning that it is not part of the Blue Lodge per se, but closely associated with Masonry. It requires that a man be a Master Mason before joining the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite confers the 4th through 32nd degrees. The degree work may be, but is not necessarily, completed at one time. Any Master Mason is eligible to join the Scottish Rite. The degrees of the Scottish Rite continue the symbolism of the first three Masonic degrees."
"The Scottish Rite awards a special honorary degree, the 33rd, to those it feels has made an outstanding contribution to Masonry, the community as a whole, and to mankind. There is no way to 'achieve' this degree or 'take' it, in the sense that one takes the 4th through 32nd degrees in the Scottish Rite. It is a singular honor, rarely bestowed, and greatly admired."
- Andrew Fabbro, "Freemasonry FAQ" Version 1.2

"Scottish Rite Masonry has almost a million members in America...""In one jurisdiction, the Scottish Rite Mason is made a 'Knight Kadosh'. Kadosh is direct from the Hebrew, and means 'holy'. The 'Holy Knight' of this degree is the Knight Templar. The story of the final days of Grand Master Jacques de Molay, along with a brief history of the Templar order, is recounted to the candidate for the degree. The spirit of the degree is to call upon the initiate to be aware of, and to resolutely oppose, all forms of personal and religious injustice." - John J. Robinson, Dungeon, Fire and Sword (1991)

lydia78
20-11-2007, 11:07 AM
The birthplace of Templarism was Germany, where the egalitarian and rationalist thrust of Freemasonry was resisted by an old-fashioned and rank-dominated society, and there was a demand for a version of the Masonic craft acceptable to conservative doctrine and Gothic taste. During the Seven Years War a French prisoner in Germany co-operated with a German pastor who went under the name of Samuel Rosa to concoct a Templar myth to serve the ritual needs of the Masonic lodges.""According to their story the Grand Masters of the Order had been in possession of special spiritual illumination deriving from the Jewish sect of the Essenes. This had passed through the control of the Canons of the Holy Sepulcher at Jerusalem, and had gone thence to the Order of the Temple. Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master, was by these story-writers given the Masonic name of Hiram, which according to Masonic lore had been the name of the murdered builder of the Temple of Solomon."

"The idea of vengeance to be exacted for a wronged and murdered magus was embedded in orthodox Masonic lore in the form of the myth of the murder of the Temple-builder, Hiram, and of the despatch by Solomon of chosen masters to avenge his death. There was originally no particular political context for this supposed murder and its atonement, though the paraphernalia of swords, skeletons, and decapitated dolls which was used in some lodges to represent the events was already alarming enough."
"The idea of the Masonic 'grades of vengeance' was that certain enlightened persons, each step in enlightenment being the object of a 'grade', were formally committed to avenge the sacrilegious murder of the Temple-builder, Hiram. The thirtieth grade, for example, was that of the 'Knight Kadosch', who played at being the medieval Justiciar or Chief Justice. If Hiram was to be identified with Jacques de Molay, certain Masonic Templar knights could be regarded as pledged to revenge the Order on the French monarchy."

"The most successful organizer of German Templarism, who came for a time close to controlling the whole apparatus of German Freemasonry, was Karl Gotthelf von Hund, a substantial landowner in north-east Electoral Saxony.
Hund was very different from the self-seeking charlatans such as Johnson and Rosa; he was much more of a self-deluded fanatic, said to have gone through life almost like a sleepwalker. He had begun his Masonic studies in France, and at about the same time as the invention of the other Templar myths he had produced his own."
"At the summit of Hund's organization stood an authority which could never be identified, that of the 'Unknown Superiors'.
To these mysterious and in fact non-existent persons Hund demanded complete and unquestioning obedience, especially as regards the delivery of scientific information about alchemical operations. Hund appears genuinely to have believed that the Young Pretender was the Unknown head of his Order, and though, erroneously, that he had met him when he had himself been 'professed' or initiated in France. In fact, so far as is known, the Young Pretender was unaware of Hund's existence, and the Comte de Clermonot in France, to whom Hund also professed obedience, seems to have paid no more attention to him.
- Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians

As a further extension to the "Scottish Rite", the "Strict Observance" demanded "an oath of unswerving, unquestioning obedience to the mysterious 'unknown superiors'. And the basic tenet of the 'Strict Observance' was that it had descended directly from the Knights Templar, some of whom had purportedly survived the purge of 1307-14 and perpetuated their Order in Scotland."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

"In 1782 [the Duke of] Brunswick decided to solve his doubts by holding a final Conference or Convent of the Order at Wilhelmsbad, near Hanau in Hessen. True to its aristocratic origins, the last gathering of the Strict Observance was a blue-blooded affair. But disillusion and decay were patent. The successively unveiled mysteries of the Order had yielded nothing but boring ritual; the alchemists had made no discoveries, the Templar lands would never be returned. No one expected to identify the long-concealed Unknown Superiors. The thirst for mystical illumination remained, but hope of quenching it at the Templar spring was over." - Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians

lydia78
20-11-2007, 11:14 AM
The Ideal Political Structure

By the third decade of the eighteenth century, English Freemasonry, under the auspices of Grand Lodge, had become a bastion of the social and cultural establishment, including, among its more illustrious brethren, Desaguliers, Pope, Swift, Hogarth and Boswell, as well as Charles de Lorraine, future husband of the Austrian Empress Maria Theresa."

"In England, the Grand Lodge became progressively more divorced from both religion and politics. It fostered a spirit of moderation, tolerance and flexibility, and often worked hand in hand with the Anglican Church, many of whose clergy were themselves Freemasons and found no conflict of allegiance. In Catholic Europe, on the other hand, Freemasonry became a repository for militantly anti-clerical, anti-establishment, eventually revolutionary sentiments and activity....In France, for example, prominent Freemasons such as the Marquis de Lafayette, Philippe Egalite, Danton and Sieyes, acting in accordance with Freemasonic ideals, were prime movers in the events of 1789 and everything that followed. In Bavaria, in Spain, in Austria, Freemasonry was to provide a focus of resistance to authoritarian regimes, and it functioned prominently in the movements, culminating with the revolutions of 1848. The whole of the campaign leading to the unification of Italy - from the revolutionaries of the late eighteenth century, through Mazzini, to Garibaldi - could be described as essentially Freemasonic." - Baigent and Leigh, The Temple and the Lodge

Alessandro Cagliostro "founded the Egyptian Rite of Freemasonry, which received into its mysteries many of the French nobility and was regarded favorably by the most learned minds of Europe.
Having established the Egyptian Rite, Cagliostro declared himself to be an agent of the order of the Knights Templars and to have received initiation from them on the Isle of Malta. (See Morals and Dogma, in which Albert Pike quotes Eliphas Levi on Cagliostro's affiliation with the Templars.) Called upon the carpet by the Supreme Council of France, it was demanded of Cagliostro that he prove by what authority he had founded a Masonic lodge in Paris independent of the Grand Orient. Of such surpassing mentality was Cagliostro that the Supreme Council found it difficult to secure an advocate qualified to discuss with Cagliostro philosophic Masonry and the ancient Mysteries he claimed to represent. The Court de Gebelin - the greatest Egyptologist of his day and an authority on ancient philosophies - was chosen as the outstanding scholar. A time was set and the Brethren convened. Attired in an Oriental coat and a pair of violet-colored breeches, Cagliostro was haled before this council of his peers. The Court de Gebelin asked three questions and then sat down, admitting himself disqualified to interrogate a man so much his superior in every branch of learning. Cagliostro then took the floor, revealing to the assembled Masons not only his personal qualifications, but prophesying the future of France. He foretold the fall of the French throne, the Reign of Terror, and the fall of the Bastille. At a later time he revealed the dates of the death of Marie Antoinette and the King, and also the advent of Napoleon. Having finished his address, Cagliostro made a spectacular exit, leaving the French Masonic lodge in consternation and utterly incapable of coping with the profundity of his reasoning. Though no longer regarded as a ritual in Freemasonry, the Egyptian Rite is available and all who read it will recognize its author to have been no more a charlatan than was Plato." - Manly P. Hall, Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins pp. 408-409

"...The United States was not created as a republic of the kind implied by that word today. Most of the men responsible for creating it were staunch Freemasons, and the new nation was originally conceived as the ideal hieratic political structure postulated by certain rites of Freemasonry. The state as a whole was seen as an extension, and a macrocosm, of the Lodge." - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

"...St. Andrew's Lodge of Boston, which had perpetrated the Boston Tea party in 1773 conferred a Templar degree already on August 29, 1769 after applying for the warrant in 1762 from the Scottish Grand Lodge in Edinburgh. That application was made almost a decade before the American Revolution began. Some Templars were not only anti-Hanoverian, they sought the abolition of all monarchy."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"At the beginning of 1776, the more moderate Freemasonic-oriented factions in the Continental Congress still prevailed. Their position had been enunciated once again the previous December, when congress again defied Parliament but continued to affirm allegiance to the crown. Now, however, the mood began to change and more radical elements began to gain the ascendancy.

Thomas Paine's pamphlet, 'Common Sense', did much to polarize attitudes and convert many hitherto loyal colonists to the principle of independence from the mother country."

"On 11 June 1776, the Continental Congress "appointed a committee to draft a declaration of independence. Of the five men on this committee, two - Franklin and...Robert Livingston - were Freemasons...The other two - Thomas Jefferson and John Adams - were not, despite subsequent claims to the contrary....The nine signatories who can now be established as proven Freemasons, and the ten who were possibly so, included such influential figures as Washington, Franklin and, of course, the president of the Congress, John Hancock. The army, moreover, remained almost entirely in Freemasonic hands." - Brian Francis Redman ("The Big C")


"While in France, Dr. Franklin was privileged to receive definite esoteric instruction. It is noteworthy that Franklin was the first in America to reprint Anderson's Constitutions of the Free-Masons, which is a most prized work on the subject, though its accuracy is disputed. Through all this stormy period, these impressive figures come and go, part of a definite organization of political and religious thought, a functioning body of philosophers represented in Spain by no less an individual than Cervantes, in France by Cagliostro and St.-Germain, in Germany by Gichtel and Andreae, in England by Bacon, More, and Raleigh, and in America by Washington and Franklin. Coincident with the Baconian agitation in England, the Fama Fraternitatis and Confessio Fraternitatis appeared in Germany, both of these works being contributions to the establishment of a philosophic government upon the earth." - Manly P. Hall, Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins pp. 408-409


Mayer Anschel "Rothschild made a fortune from various activities while serving under William IX. The French Revolution and the wars it triggered created many shortages throughout the Hesse. Rothschild capitalized in this situation by sharply raising the prices of the cloth he was importing from England. Rothschild also struck a deal with another of William IX's chief financial agents, Carl Buderus. The deal enabled Rothschild to share in the profits from the leasing of Hessian mercenaries to England.""According to Jacob Katz, writing in his book, Jews and Freemasons in Europe, 1723-1939, the Rothschilds were one of the rich and powerful Frankfurt families appearing on a Masonic membership list in 1811."

"Special Jewish lodges were created, such as the 'Melchizedek' lodges named in honor of the Old Testament priest-king...Those who belonged to the Melchizedek lodges were said to be members of the 'Order of Melchizedek'."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

lydia78
20-11-2007, 11:19 AM
In 1738 Pope Clement XII issued a Papal Bull condemning and excommunicating all Freemasons, whom he pronounced 'enemies of the Roman Church'....
In its text the pope declares that Masonic thought rests on a heresy...- the denial of Jesus's divinity. And he further asserts that the guiding spirits, the 'masterminds', behind Freemasonry are the same as those who provoked the Lutheran Reformation." - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

"In 1740, the Grand Master of the Order of Malta caused the Bull of Pope Clement XII. to be published in that island, and forbade the meetings of the Freemasons. On this occasion several Knights and many citizens left the island; and in 1741, the Inquisition persecuted the Freemasons at Malta. The Grand Master proscribed their assemblies under severe penalties, and six Knights were banished from the island in perpetuity for having assisted at a meeting." - Commander Gourdin,

"Citizens of Northwestern New York acted swiftly in 1826 when they heard the news that William Morgan had disappeared. Morgan, described by an historian of politics as "a somewhat down at heel citizen of Batavia," was a disgruntled Mason who had written a book alleged to be an expose' of Masonic secrets. Rumors contended that the Masons had murdered Morgan. The Order, for its part, maintained a stolid and uncooperative silence, and so local political organizations campaigned to keep support from office- seeking Masons. One new organization, the Anti-Masonry Party, attracted those in the populace who distrusted the Masons and other secret societies. It grew almost overnight, and the party's power base soon stretched from western New York to Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Vermont.

"In the rush of growth of the anti-Masonic movement, the initiating impetus for it was submerged, and neither the fate of Morgan nor the culpability of the Masonic Order was ascertained. Instead, the new and liberal Anti-Masonry Party became the voice of the poorer citizen against the well-to-do (and most Masons were regarded as rich), the spokesman for the orthodox against Unitarianism and other liberal sects, a supporter of temperance and anti-slavery activities, and a cheerleader for some features of Jacksonian Democracy against the autocratic Federalists. It opposed not only secret societies and government-in-secret, but also imprisonment for debt and drafts for state militia service."But as the party gathered strength it also began to move from the 'left' to the 'right', supporting tariffs on imported goods to prevent the collapse of local industries, better canals for more efficient transport, and banks free from regulatory taxes. As such, it was vainly used by politicians for their own ends, chiefly anti-Jacksonian: Thurlow Weed and William H. Seward tried unsuccessfully through the Anti-Masonry Party to overthrow Martin van Buren's Albany Regency (informal group of Democratic leaders in New York), and politician Thad Stevens in Pennsylvania tried to use it to increase his power. Soon the new party was voting with the National Republican Party against the Jacksonians; by 1834 it had moved entirely to the 'right', for it helped found the reactionary Whig Party, which absorbed the Anti-Masonry Party in 1836." - Brian Francis Redman ("The Big C")

"By the 1880s eight Popes had already condemned Freemasonry when Freemasons urged that these condemnations had been based on erroneous information and were excessively severe. This led Pope Leo XIII to issue his famous encyclical Humanum Genus in 1884. Leo XIII classed Freemasonry as a grouping of secret societies in the 'kingdom of Satan' and, like the Greek Orthodox Church half a century later, stated that it wished 'to bring back after eighteen centuries the manners and customs of the pagans.'"
- Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

"There was nothing nefarious or subversive on the pope's part, Leo XIII was a troubled man. He felt deeply the great losses in church power, privilege, and wealth brought on by the democratic revolutions and developed such profound mistrust that he kept all of the gold of the Vatican in a box under his own bed. He truly believed democracy was evil, part of the 'kingdom of Satan', and that the Catholic church had a right and duty to oversee every secular government." - John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

"The principles of social science follow. Here naturalists teach that men have all the same rights, and are perfectly equal in condition; that every man is naturally independent; that no one has a right to command other; that it is tyranny to keep men subject to any other authority than that which emanates from themselves."
- Pope Leo XIII, "Humanum Genus"

VATICAN CITY (1985) "The Vatican, clarifying its position on membership in Masonic lodges, said yesterday that Catholics who join such organizations commit 'grave sin'. The new reminder, in the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, appeared to be aimed mainly at Catholics in the United States, where some have interpreted recent church statements as relaxing the 247-year-old ban on Masonic membership imposed by Pope Clement XII. A new code of Canon Law outlined on Nov. 25, 1983, omitted membership in the Masons in the list of offenses that incur automatic excommunication." - (UPI)


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lydia78
20-11-2007, 11:28 AM
"...The Agency, through some of its priest 'assets' in the Vatican, had placed six bugging devices in the Secretariat of State, the Vatican Bank and the Apostolic Palace, where the Pope actually lived and worked. The devices were sufficiently powerful to enable conversations to be overheard within rooms with walls thick enough to withstand artillery-fire. Working from 'safe houses' in high-rise buildings overlooking the Leonine walls of the tiny city-state, CIA operatives had recorded often highly confidential discussions about papal plans.

"The Agency's surveillance had increased since 5 July 1979, when Walesa [future president of Poland] telephoned the Pope asking whether John Paul would approve of the name 'Solidarity' being used for the fledgling union. Walesa had explained that he had selected the word from the pontiff's encyclical, 'Redemptor Homis' - a treatise devoted to the redemption and the dignity of the human race. At its core had been an appeal for 'acting together'. The significance of Walesa's request was not lost on the pontiff - or on the 'Department D's electronic eavesdroppers."
- Gordon Thomas, Journey into Madness

The Italian Masonic Lodge P2 "provided a means of furnishing anti-Communist institutions in Europe and Latin-America with both Vatican and CIA funds. Calvi [who was found hanging under Blackfriars Bridge in London in 1982] also claimed that he personally had arranged the transfer of $20,000,000 of Vatican money to Solidarity in Poland, although the overall total sent to Solidarity is believed to have exceeded $100,000,000. Prior to his indictment for murder [of an Italian investigator], Michele Sindona was not only P2's financier, but the Vatican's investment counselor as well, helping the church to sell its Italian assets and re-invest in the United States. His services for the CIA included passing funds to 'friends' in Yugoslavia, as well as to the Greek colonels prior to their seizure of power in 1967. He also channeled millions of dollars into the funds of the Christian Democrats in Italy."

In March 1981, Italian police raided the villa of Licio Gelli, the ultra-right leader of P2. Although his files had vanished the index was discovered. Some of the headings included the Opus Dei, "Giulio Andreotti, currently Italian Foreign Minister and alleged...to be a member of the Prieure de Sion. And they included the organization known officially as the Sovereign and Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem - the organization, that is, which today claims a direct lineal descent from the Knights Templar." - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

"A list of [P2] members drawn up by Gelli contained the names of nearly a thousand of Italy's most powerful men. One prosecutor's report later stated: 'Lodge Propaganda Due is a secret sect that has combined business and politics with the intention of destroying the country's constitutional order.' "Among the names were three members of the Cabinet (including Justice Minister Adolfo Sarti; several former Prime Ministers including Giulio Andreotti who had held office between 1972 and 1973 and again between 1976 and 1979; forty-three Members of Parliament; fifty-four top Civil Servants; 183 army, navy and air force officers including thirty generals and eight admirals (among them the Commander of the Armed Forces, Admiral Giovanni Torrisi); nineteen judges; lawyers; magistrates; carabiniere; police chiefs; leading bankers; newspaper proprietors, editors and journalists (including the editor of the country's leading newspaper Il Corriere Della Sera); fifty-eight university professors; the leaders of several political parties; and even the directors of the three main intelligence services. "All these men, according to the files, had sworn allegiance to Gelli, and held themselves ready to respond to his call. The 953 names were divided into seventeen groupings, or cells, each having its own leader. P2 was so secret and so expertly run by Gelli that even its own members did not know who belonged to it. Those who know most were the seventeen cell leaders and they knew only their own grouping."

"Of the many political groupings in Italy, Gelli's files showed that only the Communist Party had no links with P2."
"Magistrates sifting the documents from the Villa Wanda [from whence Gelli had fled] found hundreds of top secret intelligence documents. Colonel Antonio Viezzer, the former head of the combined intelligence services, was identified as the prime source of this material and was arrested in Rome for spying on behalf of a foreign power."
"Fascist, torturer of partisans in the Second World War, friend and adviser of Peron and coordinator of right-wing corruption in Italy - was an agent of the KGB." "From the beginning Lodge P2 was a KGB-sponsored program aimed at destablizing Italy, weakening NATO's southern flank, sweeping the Communists into power in Italy and sending resultant shock waves throughout the western world." "With the failure of the ministers, generals and admirals to cooperate with investigators, "NATO was forced to support the attitude of the corrupt Freemasons in Italy's armed forces. Officials in Brussels and Washington suggested discreetly that it was not the right moment to create a vacuum of power in the Italian army, navy and secret services." - Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

"The P2 was more than a subversive political organization. The documents collected by the parliamentary commission show it was a kind of full-service international organization influencing everything from arms sales to purchases of crude oil."
- Pino Ariacchi, sociologist at the University of Florence

Propaganda Due or P2 was "a lodge originally formed by the Italian Grand Orient as a lodge of research. In 1975 an Italian fascist named Licio Gelli was made the Venerable Grand Master of P2, and the following year that lodge was disavowed and suspended by the Grand Orient of Italy, so whatever it was, P2 ceased to be an official Masonic organization.""...Gelli brought in Michele Sindona, the leading financial advisor to the Vatican. Then, in 1977, Sindona brought in Roberto Calvi, head of the Banco Ambrosiano in Milan, which was closely associated with the papal bank, one of its major shareholders....Calvi brought to the table his most valued contact, the Instituto per lo Opere di Religione, the Institute for Religious Works (the 'IOR'), a financial institution often erroneously referred to as the 'Vatican bank'. The IOR belongs not to the Vatican city-state, but to the pope alone."

"...The Banco Ambrosiano helped to set up foreign shell companies, including ten in Panama, which were controlled by the papal bank. Then the Banco Ambrosiano loaned these shells up to one and a third billion dollars. The papal bank also put in funds of its own, but not one in Rome will even hint at the amount or purpose of these extensive fundings."

When Archbishop Marcinkus, head of the IOR, invoked the Italian Concordat which guarantees Vatican sovereignty "when he learned he had been indicted by the Italian government." This decision was backed up by the Italian Supreme Court. "...The papal bank agreed to pay and paid over to the Banco Ambrosiano the incredible sum of 244 million dollars, while denying any guilt, or even any material involvement, in the great fraud. Together with the reputed loss of 450 million dollars, this means that the affairs between the papal bank and the Banco Ambrosiano cost the Catholic church almost 700 million dollars, over ten times the 1987 operating loss that Catholics all over the world were asked to make up with extra donations..." - John J. Robinson, Born in the Blood

In late 1983, "the pontiff had recently sent Archbishop Luigi Poggi to Moscow to begin secret discussions in the Kremlin on the prospect of coming to a mutually acceptable accommodation over Poland: the pontiff would control Walesa if the Church was given more freedom." - Gordon Thomas, Journey into Madness

"Though they are originated and resident in Italy, though they have the same duties and pay the taxes like all, the Italian Freemasons doesn't have the same rights: no more they can aspire to hold offices in a public bureau throughout the Italy, like the rest of the Italian citizens. It is the amazing conclusion of the junta of the region Marche: from the August 1996 a Freemason can work no more in the Marche's public bureaus and neither propose to hold in them any role.""Italian Republic guarantees for whole the citizens the right to work (Clause 4 of the Italian Constitution), but the Marche's regional junta, which evidently retains of have ideas clearer than the constituent Fathers, has concluded that the Freemasons are not citizens like all the others, and therefore they could not aspire to equal right. In this region, from the fatidical 5 August 1996, it is necessary declare a "no membership in Masonic Lodges" for compete to a function in a local public bureau."

"These sinister, grim aspects have not escaped to any deputies of the Italian Parliament, that have presented an interpellation to the government on the manifest unconstitutionality of the Marche's law. The law, they affirm in the interpellation, "constitutes a serious damage to the liberty of thought and of association, guaranteed from our Constitution, and the equality of whole the citizens in front of the law; it seems instead that the Marche legislator has retained that the membership to a Masonic Lodge is equivalent tout court to be on trial or be condemned". - Maurizio Nicosia, WM Felsinea # 846, Grande Oriente d'Italia

lydia78
20-11-2007, 11:41 AM
"The old English Masonic model involving three degrees of membership still exists, and many Masons stop at the third degree, that of master mason. Others, however, go through a ceremony called the royal arch, which admits them to a spectrum of higher degrees. The Ancient and Accepted Rite of Masonry is a system of thirty-three degrees that offer such titles as perfect master, prince of Jerusalem, grand pontiff, chief of the tabernacle, commander of the temple, grand elected knight kadosh, grand inspector inquisitor commander, and sublime prince of the royal secret. And the Ancient and Accepted Rite is but one of a staggering array of rites and orders." - Ancient Wisdom and Secret Sects

"The 'Masters', who form the largest proportion of Freemasons, are in most cases quite unaware of the thirty superior degrees to which they will never be admitted, nor even hear mentioned. This is the real picture, with the three lowly [Craft] degrees governed by a Grand Lodge and the thirty higher degrees governed by a Supreme Council."
"Although Craft Freemasonry is worldwide...it has no international organization. The Ancient and Accepted Rite of the Thirty-Third Degree is the only cohesive masonic group run on truly international lines. The Supreme Council in London is one of many Supreme Councils in various parts of the globe, of which the senior is the Supreme Council of Charleston, USA, which effectively operates a worldwide network of Freemasons in the most powerful positions in the executive, legislature, judiciary and armed forces as well as the industry, commerce and professions of many nations." - Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

"The Grand Orient of France is considered a clandestine body by many Grand Lodges due to a major revision of the Constitution of Freemasonry. The Grand Orient of France removed the requirement for belief in a Supreme Being and for belief in the immortality of the soul in 1877. This was done on the basis of Freemasonry's lack of status as a religion. 'Whereas Freemasonry is not a religion and has therefore no doctrine or dogma to affirm in its Constitution...' This caused considerable uproar in England, whose Grand Lodge came to the conclusion that the Grand Orient's actions were in violation of the Landmarks of Freemasonry. Visitors from France could not be received in English Lodges unless they could prove that they were initiated within a Lodge the professed belief in the G.A.O.T.U. Masonic communication between the Grand Lodge of England and the Grand Orient of France ground to a screeching halt.


"The Grand Orient of France permitted the Rite of Memphis and Mizraim to govern Initiation, Passing and Raising under its own authority. Today, Craft Lodges function entirely under the authourity and legislation of the regional Grand Lodges. These Grand Lodges are extremely wary of organizations claiming to make Masons while operating in their regions. Seeing as M&M had the capacity to do exactly this as it functioned under the Grand Orient of France, and understanding the questionable status of said Grand Orient, many Grand Lodges treat it as irregular and are very cautious about the Rite of Memphis and Mizraim."
- Jody Lemoine

"There are also a number of social organizations that draw their membership from Masonry without actually being connected with it. In the United States, the most visible of these is the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine - better known as the Shriners - which admits only those who are at least thirty-second-degree Masons."

"Founded in New York in the 1870s, the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine was created mainly by American actor William Florence. While touring France, Forence attended a party given by an Arabian diplomat and became fascinated by Eastern rituals." - Ancient Wisdom and Secret Sects

"Members of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles the Mystic Shrine for North America (AASONM is an anagram for A MASON) are members of the Scottish Rite's 32nd degree, and/or Knights Templer of the York Rite. The Shrine is most noted for its emphasis on philanthropy and its jolly outlook on life-- it has been called 'the playground of Masonry'. This is expressed as 'Pleasure without intemperance, hospitality without rudeness, and jollity without coarseness'." - Andrew Fabbro, Freemasonry FAQ Version 1.2

"The Shrine is the wealthiest 'charity' in America. Its assets for 1984 were estimated by the internal Revenue Service at $1.979 billion. That's almost twice as much as the second richest charity, the American Red Cross, with assets of $1.07 billion, and four times as much as the American Cancer Society which takes third place, with $446.8 million in assets."
"...The Shrine spent only 29.8 percent of its 1984 income on its program services, compared with 84 percent by the American Red Cross, 67.2 percent by the American Cancer Society, 70.6 percent by the American Heart Association and 73 percent by National Easter Seals. In fact, no other charity in the top fourteen listed by the IRS gave less than 57 percent of their total income to their program services - almost twice as much as the Shrine." - William T. Still, New World Order

"In defense of the Fraternity, as a combined group, they spend about $1,500,000.00 per day on charities. This includes the Scottish Rite Hospitals and Shriner Hospitals.
"The budget for the Scottish Rite Hospital...in Dallas is about $42,000,000.00 per year. The hospital has no accounts receivable department. They accept no government nor insurance monies and no patient is ever charged a cent. They feel as though there would be too many strings that come with the money and the only people they must answer to now is the Board of Directors and the Scottish Rite Bodies."
- Freemason Correspondent




LMAO...They always pull the 'But we're Philanthropists' arguement out of the bag..shame they dont elaborate on the child abuse that goes on in their orphanages...:(


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lydia78
20-11-2007, 12:02 PM
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"To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the LUCIFERIAN Doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (Jesus)... calumniate (spread false and harmful statements about) him?...Yes Lucifer is God..."(Albert Pike, A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-Maqonnene Universelle, page 588.)

"The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always concealed by another name, and another occupation. None is fitter than the lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it. Next to this, the form of a learned or literary society is best suited to our purpose, and had Freemasonry not existed, this cover would have been employed; and it may be much more than a cover, it may be a powerful engine in our hands... A Literary Society is the most proper form for the introduction of our Order into any state where we are yet strangers." (as quoted in John Robinson's "Proofs of a Conspiracy" 1798, re- printed by Western Islands, Boston, 1967, p. 112)

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Washington D.C. Street Layout. Satanic Pentagram. Designed by the Freemasons

Is America Babylon?

According to occultists/Satanic doctrine, the upper four points of the Goat head (left) represent the four elements of the world, Fire, Water, Earth, and Air.
The bottom fifth point represents the spirit of Lucifer.

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In the photocopy of the Goat head Pentagram,
the fifth point extends down into the mind of the goat, who represents Lucifer.
Notice the above pentagram of the Washington Streets layout
in which the south part of the pentagram falls on the White House.
Where the Spirit of Satan is to dwell.

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In order for a person to become a Shriner,
he must not only go through all the degrees of Masonry,
make all those blood-curdling oaths, worship gods who are not gods
except they are of Satan, but he must make a blood both of allegiance to Allah as his god and Mohammed as his prophet.
The Shriner is then given a red fez with an Islamic sword and crescent jeweled on the front of it. This originates from 7th century Arabia when the Moslems, under the leadership of Mohammed, slaughtered all Christians who would not bow down to Allah.
Allah, by the way, was not another (generic) name given to God by Mohammed; Allah is the tribal deity --the moon god-- of Mohammed; it was the name of the god in the tribe that Mohammed was born into. That is why every mosque today has a crescent moon on the top of its spire.

Now when Mohammed's army of men, out to slaughter all the 'infidels',
came to the city of Fez, in Morocco, they found a community of Christians. After killing all the Christians there with their Islamic-style swords,
they took their hats (called a fez) and dipped them in the blood of the Christians, and wore the fezzes throughout the land glorying in their victory over Christianity. Today Shriner's put on red fezzes (representing the hats dipped in the blood of Christians) with the Islamic sword and crescent showing their allegiance to Allah and Mohammed (and the defeat of Christianity). Men in Obscene Red Fezzes!

In one of the Royal Institute of International Affairs top secret papers,
the scenario is laid out as follows (in part): "...having been failed by Christianity, and with unemployment on every hand, those who have been without jobs for five years or more will turn away from the church and seek solace in drugs.
That is when full control of the drug trade must be completed in order that the governments of all countries who are under our jurisdiction will have a MONOPOLY which we will control through supply.... Drug bars will take care of the unruly and the discontent, would be revolutionaries will be turned into harmless addicts with no will of their own...." There is ample evidence that the CIA and British intelligence, specially M16, have already spent at least a decade working toward this goal. (John Coleman's Committee of 300)

" Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity -- an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August [defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur'] fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum [defined as 'a secret, a mystery']." [Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 433]

"When a Mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy." [The Lost Keys To Freemasonry, Manly P. Hall, published by the Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, 1976, p. 48; Emphasis added]

We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." Still Don't Believe In The New World Order?

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secretsocietyindex.htm

mahabaratara
20-11-2007, 12:16 PM
they could do with addressing the fact that some of their inner work etc belongs to the Vedic peoples...

Ooh but *no*...

Its always Eygpt...

Nothing but the shadow of what went before...

lydia78
20-11-2007, 12:22 PM
they could do with addressing the fact that some of their inner work etc belongs to the Vedic peoples...

Ooh but *no*...

Its always Eygpt...

Nothing but the shadow of what went before...

Yes I keep hearing about this, you have any links on that mahabaratara?
Its up for discussion here...

lydia78
20-11-2007, 12:27 PM
http://www.religion-cults.com/Secret/Freemasonry/freemas2.html


One of the 3 jewels of a Lodge is the "Sacred Book": It may be the Bible, the Koran, the Vedas, or the Gita... depending on the religion of the candidates... all of them are good!... but good for nothing!, because neither one is the "word of God" for Masonry... But they are good and useful for Masonry, because the candidate has to do the oath with his right hand on the Bible, for example, a book that means nothing for Masonry, but for the Christian candidate it is a very important oath made on the Bible!...

- Masonry says beautiful things about the "Bible", like, "the Holy Bible is given us the rule and guide for our faith and practice... the Bible is supreme... its truth is inwrought in the fiver of our being"...

... But this is the actual attitude of Masonry: "the Blue Lodge Masonry has nothing whatever to do with the Bible. It is not founded on the Bible. If it were, it would not be Masonry. The Jews, the Chinese, the Turks, each reject either the Old or New Testament, or both, and yet we see no good reason why they should not be made Masons" (Digest of Masonic Law, Pp.207-208).

Deception "on religion":

The "aim of Masonry": A great false and deceptive claim of Masonry is to say that "it is not a religion nor a substitute for religion".

- Masonry is a religion, a "naturalistic religion"... and still more, Masonry teaches in the higher degrees, that "it alone is the only one true religion of all mankind", aiming to unite all religions and will eventually unite the world in brotherhood... it is the same aim that the one of the New Age Movement... a new "World Order"!.

... Its real aim is to become Christianity without Christ, Judaism without the Law, Islam without the Prophet, Buddhism without Buddha...

- It is a "Religion of Naturalism", where "human reason" becomes the only guide to religious belief. God can not teach anything, He can not reveal Himself... the Bible is good as far as the moral doctrines is concern, but it is nothing as far as the revelations that God has made of Himself... Masonry denies that anything has been taught by God... the real God!...

... And this is why Masonry claims, "Creeds arise, have their day and pass, but Masonry remains, because it is built on the rock of reason, not on the shifting sands of superstition"... all religions are "superstition", including Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists... all except Masonry, the only one true religion!...

- Masonry inculcates the practice of virtue, but supplies no scheme of redemption of sin!... - Masonry, without "revelation" of God, with only "reason", knows very little about the real "God", and about the real eternal "soul", and about the real eternal "Heaven" or "Hell"...

Get out of Masonry!... it may ruin your only life on earth, and it may bring you to the eternal Hell, forgotten by Masonry... but it is there!...

"To unite", all mankind into its doctrines is the main aim of Masonry... but Masonry can not even unite itself!... because power and honor and riches are the main goals of many Massons... there is a huge rivalry among their high level members to be the most honored, the most powerful... in the words of Pike, the most eminent American Freemason philosopher, he wrote an entire article on "The Evil Consequences of Schisms and Disputes for Power in Masonry, and of Jealousies and Dissensions Between Masonic Rites", where he talks about "the angry disputes which rend the bosom of the Order, accompanied with bitter words, harsh epithets and loud denunciations, that give the lie to the combatants' claim of brotherhood"... no, the brotherhood of Masonry is not a peaceful lake!... ("Little Masonic Library", 5:102-103)...

... Masons in today's Lodge seem unable to agree even on major issues, such as "who God is", and weather or not He is relevant... and, in fact, among the most rancorous disputes the world has ever witnessed are those that raged among Masons during the last 200 years over questions of minor or no importance... just for the sake of power and honor and riches!... the principal aims of many Masons.

... A huge problem of "Masonic Religion" is that it is an amalgam of many religions from Egypt, Persia, Babylon, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Spiritism, Occultism, Witchcraft, Kabbalah... and anything can be added or argued...

Deception "on the oaths"... the "secrecy":

lydia78
20-11-2007, 01:56 PM
THE BIBLE AND FREEMASONRY

Christians who are Masons point out that the Bible is on the altar in their Masonic temples, and that Scripture is quoted as a part of their ritual. But the Masonic authorities make it clear that they consider the Bible to be only one symbol of God's will revealed to man. Lodges in Moslem countries use the Koran; in India, Lodges place the Hindu Vedas on the altar. When New Testament Scriptures are quoted in the Lodge ritual, phrases referring to Jesus Christ by name are cut out! For example, the charge to be read at the opening of the Lodge includes part of 1 Peter 2:5: "Ye also as living stones, be ye built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood to offer up sacrifices acceptable to God.". But if you look at 1 Peter 2:5, you will see that it reads, "Offer up sacrifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. The words "By Jesus Christ" are deliberately excluded. The Masonic religious system claims to worship the one true God, but it excludes Jesus Christ as God. Test for yourself. Is this true religion or false religion? 1 John 4:3 says, "Every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God." And 1 John 2:22-23 says, "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also." The fact is, no one can know and worship the living God apart from faith in Jesus Christ.


SALVATION AND FREEMASONRY

According to the Masonic Ritual, the way to salvation is not faith in Jesus Christ and His blood shed on Calvary, hut rather living a life of good character and being a good Mason. Those who saw the TV series on Masonry (The John Ankerberg Show) have seen and heard Jack Harris, a former worshipful Master in the Masonic Lodge. At one point, he reenacted parts of the Masonic funeral service. Wearing the white apron, which is the badge of a Mason, he said, "As a worshipful Master, I taught this man (in the casket) that by the purity of his life and conduct, of which this apron represents, he WILL (not MAY or COULD), he WILL gain admission into the celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides." Harris concluded, "But the Word of God does not give me that prerogative. The Word of God lets me know that it is only through the shed blood of Jesus Christ (through His sacrifice at Calvary) that this man can possibly gain heaven. Yet he may have believed these things in Freemasonry. I may have sent him to hell through what I taught him." The Lodge teaches its members that they can be saved through good works and good character.

http://www.brfwitness.org/Articles/1988v23n1.htm

lydia78
20-11-2007, 02:03 PM
The Source Of Freemasonry Concepts (from a christian perspective)

"We have seen that Freemasonry claims to be a universal religion (an attempt to unite all religions), but what is the source of the teachings, rituals, and symbols of Freemasonry? Masonic authority Albert Pike, in his book Morals and Dogma, states that Masonry is identical with the "ancient mysteries," and the ancient mystery religions involved sacred worship rites of the pagan gods, such as Isis, Orpheus, Ceres, and Mithras. Remember that God's Word calls all pagan gods "demons" (1 Corinthians 10:19-20). In other words, the sacred symbols and names and rituals of the Masonic Lodge go back to some of the same pagan religions and occult practices which Paul had to battle in his day.

Idolatry, witchcraft, and all forms of the occult are strictly forbidden in God's Word. With this background, it is not surprising that in the 19th level (or degree) of Freemasonry, the degree of Grand Pontiff, the Mason is taught that Lucifer (Satan) is not evil, but good! Lucifer (which means "light-bearer") supposedly brings the light of knowledge to human beings. Remember that the average Mason in the Blue Lodge has never been exposed to the teachings just mentioned, but the higher degrees of Masonry reveal more and more clearly who is the source of the Lodge's teachings. In fact, Albert Pike states that Masons in the first three degrees are deliberately deceived as to the true meaning of the Masonic symbols. Every Mason is acquainted with symbols such as the point within the circle, the letter G, the fivepointed star, the two-sided square, the lamb-skin apron, and the sprig of evergreen which is thrown into the grave of a deceased Mason.

Blue Lodge Masons are given a so-called "Christian" interpretation of the symbols just named, but the symbols are really occult in nature. Albert Pike says, "The Blue degrees are but the outer court or portico of the temple. Some of the symbols are displayed there to initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them. Their true explicator is reserved for the Adepts, the Princess of Masonry." In other words, the vast majority of Masons, who go no farther than the third degree, are being deliberately deceived by their own organization as to what their symbols truly mean. For example, the Blue Lodge Mason is told that the five-pointed star (the pentagram) is a symbol of divine providence. In reality, the star goes back to ancient Egyptian religions. Satanists and occultists use the pentagram to call upon demons--to practice white magic and black magic. The lamb-skin apron, the two-sided Mason's square, and the point within the circle, are all symbols taken from pagan religions and occultists.

Freemasonry is a false religion which does not confess Jesus as Lord and God; indeed, it intentionally forbids worship of Jesus in the Lodge or praying in His name, while at the same time in the higher degrees teaches blasphemous names for God, and even that Lucifer is God. It promises salvation through building up one's moral character, doing good works, and going through the Masonic rituals; it assumes that the Bible is just one of many sacred books. The source of its rituals and symbols is from paganism and witchcraft. 2 Corinthians 6:14 soberly instructs us to "Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers...what communion has light with darkness?" We are told further in verse 17, "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, says the Lord."

In 1 Kings 18:21, Elijah challenged the Israelites who were worshipping Baal: "How long will you go limping with two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him." We must, out of love, urge our friends who are Masons to renounce any association with the Lodge, and withdraw their membership. In some cases, their salvation may be at stake.


Stephen Merrit, an active layman in the church, at one time was the Master Mason of the biggest Lodge in New York. He eventually risked the loss of friends and job, and withdrew his membership, severing all connection with Masonry. He writes: "One incident helped to open my eyes. I have always preached that there is no other name but Christ by which we can be saved. But again and again I found Masons dying without God and without hope. I was called to the bedside of one member of my Lodge who was thought to be dying. He gave me the grip as I sat down by him. He said he was dying and was in great distress for his soul. I tried to have him look to Christ. But he reproached me, saying I had led him astray. I had told him in the Lodge, as Master, that a moral life was enough. He said, 'You told me that it was alright if I was an upright man, and obeyed the precepts of the lodge, but I am leaning on a broken reed; and now I am dying without God. I lay this to your charge, Worshipful Master. I leaned on you and now I am dying.' "

We must conclude that the Christian who stays in the Lodge not only grieves the Lord, but also may be helping to deceive unsaved Masons into thinking they will be saved by being in the Lodge. Satan is the great Master of deception. May we cling to Christ alone for our salvation. May we diligently study God's Word and wholeheartedly obey it, so that we can know the truth and not be deceived. May we trust and obey Jesus in everything, and be willing to do whatever He tells us to do, however difficult it may seem-- because Jesus alone gives eternal life."

http://www.brfwitness.org/Articles/1988v23n1.htm

interesting link:
http://www.16108.com/NewVedicOrder/RedShieldRedCross.htm

http://us.geocities.com/changes1611/name41.html

soglad
20-11-2007, 02:19 PM
There are lots of Freemason lodges here in Australia I've noticed. Quite abundant...lots seem to be un-used though.....mainly hired out to people who need the space. I would have liked to go there and start asking awkward questions :)

lydia78
20-11-2007, 02:28 PM
lol..how old are you now soglad? according to this you have to be 21yrs old:

"Although only men (of at least 21 years of age) can be Masons,
related organizations are available for their relatives
there is the Order of the Eastern Star for Master Masons and their wives;
the Order of De Molay for boys;
and the Order of Job's Daughters and the Order of Rainbow for young girls.

The Masonic Lodge has more than a hundred such fraternal organizations,
including Daughters of the Nile, The Tall Cedars of Lebanon,
The Mystic Order of Veiled Prophets Of The Enchanted Realm,
The Knights Of The Red Cross Of Constantine, and The Blue Lodge."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/masons.htm

Oh go on...have a go at infiltrating 'The mystic Order of the Veiled Prohets of the enchanted realm'.....LOL:D

lydia78
20-11-2007, 02:44 PM
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/glossary/glossary_v.htm

Vedas

The most ancient of the religious writings of the Indian Aryans, and now constituting the sacred canon of the Hindus, being to them what the Bible is to the Christians, or the Koran to the Mohammedans. The word Veda denotes in Sanskrit, the language in which these books are written, wisdom or knowledge and comes from the verb Veda, which, like the Greek signifies "I know". The German Weiss and the English wit came from the same root. There are four collections of these writings, each of which is called a Veda, namely, the Rig-Veda, the Yazur-Veda, the Sama-Veda, and the Atharva-Veda; but the first only is the real Veda, the others being but commentaries on it, as the Talmud is upon the Old Testament.

The Rig-Veda is divided into two parts: the Mantras or hymns, which are all matrical, and the Brahmanes. which are in prose, and consist of ritualistic directions concerning the employment of the hymns, find the method of sacrifice. The other Vedas consist also of hymns and prayers; but they are borrowed, for the most part, from the Rig-Veda. The Vedas, then, are the Hindu canon of Scripture-his Book of the Law; and to the Hindu Freemason they are his Trestle-Board, just as the Bible is to the Christian Freemason.

The religion of the Vedas is apparently an adoration of the visible powers of nature, such as the sun, the sky, the dawn, and the fire, and, in general, the eternal powers of light. The supreme divinity was the sky, called Varuna, whence the Greeks got their Ouranas; and next was the sun, Called sometimes Savitar, the progenitor, and sometimes Mitra, the loving one, Whence the Persian Mithras. Side by side with these was Agni, meaning fire, whence the Latin ignis, who was the divinity coming most directly in approximation with man on earth, and soaring upward as the flame to the heavenly goals.

But in this nature-worship the Vedas frequently betray an inward spirit groping after the infinite and the eternal, and an anxious search for the Divine Name, which was to be reverenced just as the Hebrew aspired after the unutterable Tetragrammaton. Bunsen (God in History, book iii, chapter 7) calls this "the desire-the yearning after the nameless Deity, who nowhere manifests himself in the Indian pantheon of the Vedas-the voice of humanity groping after God." One of the most sublime of the Veda hymns (Rig-Veda, book x, hymn 121) ends each strophe with the solemn question: "Who is the god to whom we shall offer our sacrifice?" This is the question which every religion asks; the Search after the All-Father is the labor of all men who are seeking Divine Truth and Light.

The Semitic, like the Aryan poet in the same longing spirit for the knowledge of God, exclaims, "Oh that I knew where I might find him, that I might come even to His seat." It is the great object of all Masonic labor, which thus shows its true religious character and design.

The Vedas have not exercised any direct influence on the Symbolism of Freemasonry. But, as the oldest Aryan faith, they became infused into the subsequent religious systems of the race, and through the Zend Avesta of the Zoroastrians, the Mysteries of Mithras, the doctrines of the Neo-platonists, and the school of Pythagoras, mixed with the Semitic doctrines of the Bible and the Talmud, they have cropped out in the mysticisrn of the Gnostics and the Secret Societies of the Middle Ages, and have shown some of their spirit in the religious philosophy and the symbolism of Speculative Freemasonry. To the Masonic scholar, the study of the Vedic hymns is therefore interesting, and not altogether fruitless in its results. The writings of Bunsen, of Muir, of Cox, and especially of Max Müller, will furnish ample materials for the study.

synergy777
20-11-2007, 02:57 PM
cool post.

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/ancient-african-kings-of-india-by-dr-clyde-winters/

Ancient African Kings Of India - By Dr. Clyde Winters

Ethiopians have had very intimate relations with Indians. In fact, in antiquity the Ethiopians ruled much of India. These Ethiopians were called the Naga. It was the Naga who created Sanskrit.

A reading of ancient Dravidian literature which dates back to 500 BC, gives us considerable information on the Naga. In Indian tradition the Naga won central India from the Villavar (bowmen) and Minavar (fishermen).

The Naga were great seamen who ruled much of India, Sri Lanka and Burma. To the Aryans they described as half man and snake. The Tamil knew them as warlike people who used the bow and noose.

The earliest mention of the Naga, appear in the Ramayana , they are also mentioned in the Mahabharata. In the Mahabharata we discover that the Naga had the capital city in the Dekkan, and other cities spread between the Jumna and Ganges as early as 1300 BC. The Dravidian classic, the Chilappathikaran made it clear that the first great kingdom of India was Naganadu.

The Naga probably came from Kush-Punt/Ethiopia. The Puntites were the greatest sailors of the ancient world. In the Egyptian inscriptions there is mention of the Puntite ports of Outculit, Hamesu and Tekaru, which corresponds to Adulis, Hamasen and Tigre.

In Sumerian text, it is claimed that the Puntites traded with the people of the Indus Valley or Dilmun. According to S.N. Kramer in The Sumerians, part of Punt was probably called Meluhha, and Dilmun was probably the ancient name of the Indus Valley. (Today some scholars maintain that Oman, where we find no ancient cities was Dilmun and the Indus Valley may have been Meluhha).

Ancient Ethiopian traditions support the rule of Puntites or Ethiopians of India. In the Kebra Nagast, we find mention of the Arwe kings who ruled India. The founder of the dynasty was Za Besi Angabo. This dynasty according to the Kebra Nagast began around 1370 BC. These rulers of India and Ethiopia were called Nagas. The Kebra Nagast claims that ” Queen Makeda “had servants and merchants; they traded for her at sea and on land in the Indies and Aswan”. It also says that her son Ebna Hakim or Menelik I, made a campaign in the Indian Sea; the king of India made gifts and donations and prostrated himself before him”. It is also said that Menalik ruled an empire that extended from the rivers of Egypt (Blue Nile) to the west and from the south Shoa to eastern India”, according to the KebraNagast. The Kebra Nagast identification of an eastern Indian empre ruled by the Naga, corresponds to the Naga colonies in the Dekkan, and on the East coast between the Kaviri and Vaigai rivers.

more at the link

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/03mar/masonserpent.html

The Serpent and the Real Origins of Freemasonry

Abraham the Israelite father of mankind, and Hiram of the Freemasons, are one and the same, and both are based upon serpent worshippers with Indian Naga or serpent deity backgrounds. A grand statement, but one that I am not alone in making.

Flavious Josephus said in his History of the Jews:

“These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani.”

Megasthenes, sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, also said that the Jews were called “Kalani” and that they were an Indian tribe.

Clearchus of Soli said:

“The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called Jerusalem.”

If Abraham as the father of the Jewish race is therefore a legendary figure of India, then who is he? And did he exist at all? It’s time to upset traditionalists.

The obvious person for an Indian Abraham is Brahma (A-Brahma) who just happens to have a consort and sister named Saraisvati [1]* which is amazingly similar to the name of the Biblical Abraham’s wife - Sarai. Indeed Abraham is said to have learned his trade in Ur (the ‘Ur of the Chaldees’ in the Bible * said to be in ancient Sumer), which is very close to the Persian border * being en-route to India.

It is also a fact that the name of Brahma spread throughout this entire area * so much so, that the Persians even adopted him as one of their deities. So, the very area where Abraham is said to have learned his priestly trade is the very area that the Indian Brahma was being spread and worshipped. What more can we find within this area of the Chaldees?

more at the link

lydia78
20-11-2007, 03:24 PM
Nice one syn, great links there, much appreciated..this caught my eye on that link



Abraham’s son Ishmael, by Hagar, his maidservant, also had children who lived in India, or Havilah (land of serpents), as it is in Genesis. Both famous sons of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac have names that revert back to the worship of that serpent Hindu deity Siva. [2]

Ishmael is Ish-Maal in Hebrew, and in Sanskrit, Ish-Mahal means ‘Great Siva.’ Isaac is Ishaak in Hebrew, and Ishakhu in Sanskrit * which means ‘Friend of Siva.’ Most startling of all is the very name of Abraham himself, which could mean that Abraham was nothing other than a Naga King - Ab Ram - actually means ‘exalted snake.’

1290

Hiram, the famous Freemasonic and Biblical builder of Temples was Ahi-Ram and it is time to take a look at this mythical character.

Hiram and the Temple

1289

Hiram King of Tyre
Hiram of Tyre, the son of a Jewish mother and a Phoenician father is credited with the decoration of the fabled Temple of Solomon. He was said to have been the “son of a widow of the tribe of Naphtali . . . He cast two bronze pillars” 1 Kings 7:13-15.

The standard of the Tribe of Naphtali, according to Jewish tradition is a serpent or basilisk and this could have come from the Jewish sojourn into Egypt, as Jewish tradition states that Naphtali was the brother of Joseph chosen to represent the family to Pharaoh. Hiram is also said to be a son of the Tribe of Dan (Chronicles 11) and even the tribe of Dan had an emblem, which was the serpent and the horse. Barbara Walker in The Woman’s Encyclopaedia of Myths and Secrets points out:

“Writers of the Old Testament disliked the Danites, whom they called serpents (Genesis 49:17). Nevertheless, they adopted Dani-El or Daniel, a Phoenician god of divination, and transformed him into a Hebrew prophet. His magic powers were like those of the Danites emanating from the Goddess Dana and her sacred serpents…. Daniel was not a personal name but a title, like the Celtic one.”
Here we have a distinct conclusion, that Daniel of the Bible is related to the very same Danu or Dana goddess of Celtic Europe and that this goddess is conclusively related to serpents * in this case the serpens astrological sign as worshipped by the Danites. We also have confirmation that the Jewish people collected their belief system from those around them. Thus far, as we have gathered, they have melded the beliefs of India, Egypt and now Phoenician into their own growing system.

bloody hell...not too confusing then lol.
Guess this is where st patrick steps in and rids ireland of snakes?

eternal_spirit
20-11-2007, 03:27 PM
Good post Lydia. I've got some reading to do on this thread. Btw, some say Solomon is really just symbolic of the Sun. It means the sun in three different languages. Sol Om On.

synergy777
20-11-2007, 03:28 PM
great link, another one confiming eastern origins of celtic culture. did you know ogham, the language that gave us gaelic, was from sumeria(iraq/iran).

it also shows us the african origins of knowledge, africa/egypt, then india, then europe.

eternal_spirit
20-11-2007, 03:34 PM
Good post Lydia. I've got some reading to do on this thread. Btw, some say Solomon is really just symbolic of the Sun. It means the sun in three different languages. Sol Om On.

Om as in Aum. The word ( incantation ) used for meditation. Represents God to some?

God is the sun, to the Pagans. Astro theology? The sun is still God, to many today.....Grand Architect of the Universe also the sun? Earth came from the sun?

Grand Architect, may mean.....To mould and shape societies, and men's beliefs, genetic manipulation:meaning the Masons are the architects.

eternal_spirit
20-11-2007, 03:38 PM
Isis is the Ancient Egyptian name for a magic sect that worshiped the MOON (symbolism). The other two Ancient Egyptian Magic sects were called Ra (sun) and El (saturn) & all together = ISRAEL.

titurel
20-11-2007, 03:49 PM
Isis is the Ancient Egyptian name for a magic sect that worshiped the MOON (symbolism). The other two Ancient Egyptian Magic sects were called Ra (sun) and El (saturn) & all together = ISRAEL.
The etymology of 'Israel' is disputed and there's no consensus amongst scholars of its original meaning.

According to J. Strong, "A Concise Dictionary of the Words of the Hebrew Bible", the origin of the word Israel is attributed directly to God (Genesis 32:28) and is comprised of the primary root meaning "to prevail" and a short form of the word God.

Israel is derived from two words, "Sarah", a root word meaning to fight, to prevail, to have power as a prince; and "El", meaning strength, might, especially as in the Almighty.

King Solomon turned away from God and became involved in black magic after becoming involved with a woman from Egypt. So, it's not surprising that Solomon is highly regarded in Freemasonry!

It's also interesting to note that God recommended David should NOT build a Temple, but king David insisted and God let him have his way. Later, after corruption set in, God abandoned the Temple and it was destroyed.

God does not live in temples built by human hands...

"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else." - Acts 17:22-25

lydia78
20-11-2007, 03:52 PM
Good post Lydia. I've got some reading to do on this thread. Btw, some say Solomon is really just symbolic of the Sun. It means the sun in three different languages. Sol Om On.

Cool ES! Yeah your right...differentiation between literal and symbol is the interesting part (well in mho lol) gotta dig around soloman a bit more lol, the semantic war lol

lydia78
20-11-2007, 03:53 PM
great link, another one confiming eastern origins of celtic culture. did you know ogham, the language that gave us gaelic, was from sumeria(iraq/iran).

it also shows us the african origins of knowledge, africa/egypt, then india, then europe.

links very nicely to your threads...jigsaw pieces hey lol!

titurel
20-11-2007, 04:03 PM
Masons Desire to Rebuild Solomon's Temple and NWO HQ in Jerusalem

http://www.cephas-library.com/israel/israel_the_rebuilding_of_solomons_temple.html

"Fervent Masonic Desire To Rebuild Solomon's Temple Is The Driving Force Behind Events In Israel: Once Completed, Prophecy Will Be Fulfilled".

If you have not read this article, we encourage you to stop right now and do so, for then you will understand the precepts of this article.

Basically, Freemasonry will not allow Israel to be destroyed by the Palestinians and/or any combination of Muslim armies for the following reasons:

1. European and American Freemasonry draws all its allegories, symbolism, and future plans from the Jewish sacred writings known as the Old Testament. Since world events are being driven by European and American Freemasonry, this consideration is most important.

2. Freemasonry has always planned to gain control of the Temple Mount so they can rebuild Solomon's Temple. As soon as they rebuild this Temple, their Masonic Christ will appear on the earth, claiming to be the Jewish Messiah for whom Israel has long been awaiting. This "Christ" will be the Biblical Antichrist.

3. On July 2, 1187, Knights Templar forces were surrounded by Muslim armies, suffering a cut-off of water supplies. On July 4, 1187, Knights Templar -- the direct predecessor to Freemasonry -- lost their sacred relic, supposedly the cross on which Jesus was actually crucified (True Cross), was lost to Muslim Saladin armies at the Battle of Hattin. Without the True Cross, the Knights Templar forces were slaughtered by the Muslims. ["The Battle Of Hattin - July 4th, 1187", Templar History]

Masons do NOT forget history, and I can tell you that they have been secretly planning their revenge. When they exact their revenge against Muslim forces, all sorts of End of the Age prophecies will be fulfilled, from Obadiah 15-18 to Zechariah 12.

REBUILDING SOLOMON'S TEMPLE

With this information as background, let us now review our current article, to see that global Freemasonry is alive and well in Israel, plotting their seizure of the Temple Mount from Muslim control so they can rebuild Solomon's Temple.

NEWS BRIEF: "Mason's making a move in Israel, and a closer look at the Road Map", Jerry Golden Report, February 23, 2005

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"This picture was taken by a friend while in Eilat recently. It is on the road that crosses the border and one of the first things a visitor sees when coming from Egypt into Israel. I have written about the involvement of Freemasonry in the Israeli Government mainly through the Supreme Court and the Knesset. But this makes a clear statement to anyone crossing the border into Israel that the Illuminati (or Freemasons) are in control here."

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We concur with Mr. Golden's analysis, even though the evidence is anecdotal. Erecting a symbol like this at a strategic border crossing into Israel is something Freemasons would do when they feel well entrenched and want the public to know the extent of their power.

This symbol is typically Masonic, as the following symbolism attests:

1. The two Enochian columns are clearly visible. These two columns are among the most famous of Masonic symbols. Listen to how very important they truly are in Masonic history. We need to go back to the works of Sir John Dee (1527-1608), a deist mystic who was the official astrologer of Queen Elizabeth I.

"... one of Dee's biographers described him as 'Elizabethan England's great magus' ... Dee was a practitioner of 'Hermetic gnosticism', a school of thought based on the ancient pre-Christian teachings of the Greek god Hermes. Hermes was in fact a mere copy of the much earlier Egyptian god of knowledge and language, Thoth. In this sense, all 'Hermetic gnosticism' can be viewed as a worship of the teachings of Thoth. According to the Egyptian mythos, Thoth was one of the gods who came down to Earth, along with Isis and Osiris, to bring the fruits of knowledge, civilization and the sciences to the Egyptian people ... In 1581, using his knowledge of these ancient practices, he began a series of attempts to communicate with 'higher beings'. His channel in this capacity was one Sir Edward Kelly..."

Let us stop right here to assimilate what we have just learned. John Dee, a favorite with Queen Elizabeth and her astrologer, believed -- as do Rosicrucians and Freemasons -- that benevolent "higher spiritual beings" are just waiting in one of many other dimensions to aid "Perfected Men" like Dee, men who have perfected themselves through proceeding up through the ranks of the secret societies. Sir Edward Kelly was the spiritual "channeler" through which Dee contacted spiritual beings.

The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely. This practice is called "necromancy", and is defined as "conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events" (Miriam Dictionary). In the following passages, God forbids this practice: Deuteronomy 18:11; 1 Samuel 28:7-19; Leviticus 19:31; Leviticus 20:6]

This is the practice in which Sir John Dee was immersed, and it is a practice common to Rosicrucians and Freemasons, even today. Notice, finally, that Dee's activities were fully supported at the highest levels of the English Crown, both by Queen Elizabeth I and her Foreign Policy Adviser, Sir Francis Bacon.

Let us now go back to this article to see the first time Dee "successfully" contacted a "higher spiritual being".

"The focus of their efforts was to obtain the knowledge of the Book of Enoch, a supposed "lost book of the Bible" that contained the truth about man's existence, the afterlife and his future on Earth ... Enoch is also the central figure around which a great deal of Masonic legend is centered, as he is said to have constructed the two pillars of Masonic lore to preserve the antediluvian high knowledge of Atlantis inside them ... Dee and Kelly were evidently successful in their attempts, as they eventually contacted an "angel" named Uriel. Uriel first provided them with complex alphabet of angelic language, and then proceeded to dictate the entire Book of Enoch to Kelly in this language. Dee, in turn, dutifully recorded all that was passed to the both of them by Uriel, and the various spells and incantations used and dictated in this process became a school of magic known as 'Enochian magic'." (Ibid.)

Thus, "Enoch is ... the central figure around which a great deal of Masonic legend is centered, as he is said to have constructed the two pillars of Masonic lore to preserve the antediluvian high knowledge of Atlantis inside them." (Ibid.)

When you see the two pillars of Freemasonry, just remember they represent the columns which this mystically re-created Enoch created in order to "preserve" the deeply occultic knowledge which perished when Atlantis was destroyed.

2. The pyramid which is prominently displayed between the two columns is significant because it is topped! In other words, it is not uncapped like the pyramid on the back of the American One Dollar Bill, which has the Eye of Horus (Lucifer) hovering over it. The pyramid of Gizi, Egypt, is also uncapped, representing the reality that the progress toward the New World Order is still unfinished. Once this global system is established, the pyramid at Gizi will be capped, probably by the Masonic New Age Christ -- the Biblical Antichrist.

The fact that this pyramid is capped means that the Great Work is considered finished. At least in Israel, the work is finished. This is highly significant because Israel was established by the global Illuminati, as is proven by their hexagram on the Israeli flag. We explain this reality in NEWS1593 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1593.cfm).

At the very time when Prime Minister Sharon and his assistant Shimon Peres are finally taking the last steps in separating the Jewish population from the Palestinian so the prophesied annihilation can take place (NEWS1622 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1622.cfm)), Freemasons erect a large symbol which contains a capped pyramid! In the eyes of the global and the Israeli Illuminati, the work is so close to being finished, they can show a pyramid which is capped. Does this mean the appearance of the New Age Masonic Christ is close, or does it just mean that it is inevitable?

3. The Masonic symbol of the compass and square with the "G" in the middle is one of the most important symbols in all of Freemasonry. As we reveal in NEWS1986 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1986.cfm), the compass and square are simply a heinous hexagram with certain key parts removed! We also reveal the hidden sexual connotation of the "G"!

4. In the area surrounding this large Masonic symbol, we see the alternating black and white tiles, typically Freemason, as it symbolizes the balance of Nature, Yin/Yang, Light/Darkness.

CONCLUSION

Once again, we are faced with the reality that global Illuminized Freemasonry tightly controls Israel, just as they have since May 14, 1948, when Israel announced her statehood. In fact, Illuminized Freemasonry controlled the worldwide Zionist movement since 1896, also as is evidenced by the hexagram symbol.

This large Masonic symbol sitting in Eilat, at the border crossing of Egypt/Israel, also means that Israel is being protected by Illuminized Freemasonry! In fact, Masonry is virtually shouting to the Arab and Muslim world that the Illuminized governments of the world will not allow Israel to be destroyed as a state. But why should we be surprised? Consider the following facts:

1. With no Israel, Freemasonry will have no nation for their Masonic Christ to appear to, claiming to be their Messiah for whom they have been awaiting, a claim which will fulfill prophecy.

2. With no Israel, Freemasonry will have no control over the Temple Mount, so they will not be able to build their coveted Solomon's Temple -- the temple Antichrist shall profane as foretold in Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 9:27.

3. With no Israel, Freemasonry cannot complete all their beloved Old Testament types and allegories.

4. In their writings, the Illuminati recognizes the need for their Christ to appear east of Jerusalem, pretending to be the Jewish Messiah, accompanied by myriads of majestic "signs and wonders". Their writings also foresee that the Dome of the Rock will be demolished by an earthquake, clearing the way for the Temple to be constructed. [Peter Lemesurier, "The Armageddon Script"]

All this planning will go for naught if the Illuminati allows Israel to be nationally destroyed.

5. With no Israel, Jesus Christ will have no nation to appear to in fulfillment of Revelation 19:11-21.

6. If God allows Israel to be destroyed, He has shown Himself to be less than Omnipotent and a liar to Abraham. Please carefully read NEWS1010 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1010.cfm) for Biblical prophecies clearly showing God's precious promises to national Israel. While we say, tongue in cheek, that Illuminized Freemasonry has guaranteed Israel's national survival so they can deceive Israel with their Christ, we realize that the ultimate power which will guarantee that Israel will survive is the Omnipotent power of Almighty God. But, tough times are ahead, so tough that, finally, the Archangel Michael shall have to "stand up" to defend Israel [Daniel 12:1].

God is not finished with Israel; in fact, He has barely begun. After bringing Israel back in a state of spiritual unbelief in Jesus, just as He foretold in Ezekiel 36 (NEWS1408 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1408.cfm)), God is getting ready to force Israel to pass through the fires of the Tribulation Period, a time when all sinners and rank unbelievers will be killed by Antichrist (Zechariah 13:8, as we explain thoroughly in NEWS1882 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1882.cfm)).

Genuine Christians must pray that God will bring through His One-Third Remnant through the fires of persecution as His wonderful Scriptures foretell. Even though Israel is now completely controlled by the despicable Illuminati, we Christians must love the Israel which will be left after the Two Thirds unbelievers, rank sinners, and Illuminists fall on the sword of Antichrist.

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See also:

http://thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=963&z=1

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The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem:

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817

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eternal_spirit
20-11-2007, 04:13 PM
Cool ES! Yeah your right...differentiation between literal and symbol is the interesting part (well in mho lol) gotta dig around soloman a bit more lol, the semantic war lol

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Yes lol. So many different meanings. Which reminds me you typed Soloman Solo man ( solar man/salamon ) sun man. What I was saying before, is that Solomon might be a symbolic, mystery school teaching, and a man named Solomon never existed. I can't remember where I read this.

lydia78
20-11-2007, 04:14 PM
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Yes lol. So many different meanings. Which reminds me you typed Soloman Solo man ( solar man/salamon ) sun man. What I was saying before, is that Solomon might be a symbolic, mystery school teaching, and a man named Solomon never existed. I can't remember where I read this.

wasn't it david icke...on one of his dvd's as well lol!

titurel
20-11-2007, 04:20 PM
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Yes lol. So many different meanings. Which reminds me you typed Soloman Solo man ( solar man/salamon ) sun man. What I was saying before, is that Solomon might be a symbolic, mystery school teaching, and a man named Solomon never existed. I can't remember where I read this.
There is evidence for the Temple of Solomon:


April 2003

From Hebrew University of Jerusalem

"Hebrew University excavations strengthen dating of archaeological findings to David, Solomon
A new, laboratory-based affirmation of the existence of a united Israelite monarchy headed by kings David and Solomon in the 10th century B.C.E. has been revealed as the result of excavations carried out by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem Institute of Archeology.

The findings have particular significance in view of the debate existing among archaeologists as to the authenticity of the biblical account of the two kings and the period and extent of their reign.

The late, famed Hebrew University archaeologist Prof.Yigael Yadin argued more than 40 years ago that a series of monumental structures – and particularly the city gates of Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer as well as certain palaces at Megiddo – were founded by Solomon, corroborating the text in I Kings 9:15. However, during the last decade various scholars criticized this view and claim that the United Monarchy of David and Solomon should be dismissed as a real historical period of any value in the history of Israel. Indeed, it has even been argued by these critics that the findings described by Yadin were only from the 9th century B.C.E., the period of the Israelite kings Omri and Ahab.

Writing in the April 11 issue of Science magazine, Prof. Amihai Mazar of the Hebrew University, Dr. Hendrik Bruins of Ben-Gurion University, and Prof. Hans Van der Plicht of Groningen University, Holland, tell of their findings from excavations at Tel Rehov, located some 5 kilometers south of the town of Beit She'an in the Beit She'an Valley. The scholars argue that these findings conclusively prove that they found at Tel Rehov signs of an urban society from the 10th century B.C.E. which can be compared with finds from other sites in Israel, such as Megiddo, Hazor and Gezer, which were attributed in the past to the United Monarchy.

The excavations at Tel Rehov have been carried out since 1997 under the direction of Prof. Mazar, the Eleazar L. Sukenik Professor of Archaeology at the Hebrew University, with the financial support of John Camp of Minneapolis, Minn. The excavations revealed several strata from the time of the Judges (12-11th centuries B.C.E.) until the Assyrian conquest of Israel in the 8th century B.C.E.

In the article in Science, Mazar, Bruins and Van der Plicht write of radiometric carbon 14 tests that were carried out at Groningen University on charred grain and olive pits found in various strata at Tel Rehov. The dates achieved in this research were particularly precise, with minimal range. The authors further state that this is one of the best sets of radiometric dates based on stratigraphic sequence from any site related to the biblical period.

The results show that two strata at Tel Rehov are safely dated to the 10th century B.C.E. One stratum was destroyed in heavy fire. The date of this destruction fits very well with the reign of Shishak, the Egyptian Pharaoh who invaded the Land of Israel around 925 B.C.E. and whose invasion is mentioned both in the Bible (I Kings 14:25) and in his monumental inscription at the temple of Amun at Karnak, Egypt, where Rehov is mentioned among many other places conquered at that time.

Since the Shishak conquest occurred a few years after the death of Solomon, the identification of a city destroyed by him at Tel Rehov provides an anchor for dating other sites with similar material culture. This similar culture was found at Hazor and Megiddo in occupation levels which were identified as "Solomonic" in the past.

Thus, these results provide a new foundation for the traditional view concerning the attribution of occupation strata and buildings at Tel Rehov (and conjunctively other locales in the region ) to the time of the United Monarchy of Solomon and David, and negates the view that all these finds should be dated to the 9th century."

Source:

http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2003/E/20033095.html (http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2003/E/20033095.html)

lydia78
20-11-2007, 06:35 PM
cheers for the link titurel...good info!
just found this, if he existed he's claimed to be a very busy fella lol

1301

"King Solomon loved, in addition to the daughter of Pharaoh, many foreign woman, Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian and Hittite women, from the nations concerning which the Lord had warned the Israelites. "You must not cohabit with them, nor they with you, for they will certainly turn your hearts to their gods". Solomon held fast to them in love. He had 700 official wives and 300 concubines...."

The Holy Bible 1 Kings 11:1-3

http://www.kingsolomonsgate.com/

titurel
20-11-2007, 09:02 PM
King Solomon lost favour with God for allowing himself to fall under the guiles and deceptions of witchcraft. Even the elect, such as wise King Solomon, can be deceived, as is recorded:

"As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. He followed Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites. So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD; he did not follow the LORD completely, as David his father had done. On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites. He did the same for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and offered sacrifices to their gods.

The LORD became angry with Solomon because his heart had turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice. Although he had forbidden Solomon to follow other gods, Solomon did not keep the LORD's command. So the LORD said to Solomon, "Since this is your attitude and you have not kept my covenant and my decrees, which I commanded you, I will most certainly tear the kingdom away from you and give it to one of your subordinates. Nevertheless, for the sake of David your father, I will not do it during your lifetime. I will tear it out of the hand of your son. Yet I will not tear the whole kingdom from him, but will give him one tribe for the sake of David my servant and for the sake of Jerusalem, which I have chosen." - 1 Kings 11:4-13

"The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents, not including the revenues from merchants and traders and from all the Arabian kings and the governors of the land." - 1 Kings 10:14

cruise4
20-11-2007, 11:29 PM
That was very interesting and I have a question or two:

"Satanists and occultists use the pentagram to call upon demons--to practice white magic and black magic."

What is the difference between 'Satanists and occultists' and 'white magic and black magic'?

"The source of its rituals and symbols is from paganism and witchcraft"

Whats a good pagan/witchcraft source to find references to these rituals and symbols?


"The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely."

Are any reasons for this put forward by anyone?

"Enoch is also the central figure around which a great deal of Masonic legend is centered, as he is said to have constructed the two pillars of Masonic lore to preserve the antediluvian high knowledge of Atlantis inside them"

"as well as the meaning of Boaz, the left-hand pillar in the Porchway of Solomon's Temple"

Could you explain any connection between these two extracts concerning Pillars?

I encourage you to post more about freemasonry and Mystery School history.

titurel
21-11-2007, 12:28 AM
Here's a good definition of black magick that's also a very interesting read:


The Secret Teachings of All Ages

by Manly P. Hall

Chapter: Ceremonial Magic and Sorcery

Ceremonial magic is the ancient art of invoking and controlling spirits by a scientific application of certain formulæ. A magician, enveloped in sanctified vestments and carrying a wand inscribed with hieroglyphic figures, could by the power vested in certain words and symbols control the invisible inhabitants of the elements and of the astral world. While the elaborate ceremonial magic of antiquity was not necessarily evil, there arose from its perversion several false schools of sorcery, or black magic.

Egypt, a great center of learning and the birthplace of many arts and sciences, furnished an ideal environment for transcendental experimentation. Here the black magicians of Atlantis continued to exercise their superhuman powers until they had completely undermined and corrupted the morals of the primitive Mysteries. By establishing a sacerdotal caste they usurped the position formerly occupied by the initiates, and seized the reins of spiritual government. Thus black magic dictated the state religion and paralyzed the intellectual and spiritual activities of the individual by demanding his complete and unhesitating acquiescence in the dogma formulated by the priestcraft. The Pharaoh became a puppet in the hands of the Scarlet Council--a committee of arch-sorcerers elevated to power by the priesthood.

These sorcerers then began the systematic destruction of all keys to the ancient wisdom, so that none might have access to the knowledge necessary to reach adeptship without first becoming one of their order. They mutilated the rituals of the Mysteries while professing to preserve them, so that even though the neophyte passed through the degrees he could not secure the knowledge to which he was entitled. Idolatry was introduced by encouraging the worship of the images which in the beginning the wise had erected solely as symbols for study and meditation. False interpretations were given to the emblems and figures of the Mysteries, and elaborate theologies were created to confuse the minds of their devotees. The masses, deprived of their birthright of understanding and groveling in ignorance, eventually became the abject slaves of the spiritual impostors. Superstition universally prevailed and the black magicians completely dominated national affairs, with the result that humanity still suffers from the sophistries of the priestcrafts of Atlantis and Egypt.

titurel
21-11-2007, 12:36 AM
cheers for the link titurel...good info!
just found this, if he existed he's claimed to be a very busy fella lol

1301

"King Solomon loved, in addition to the daughter of Pharaoh, many foreign woman, Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian and Hittite women, from the nations concerning which the Lord had warned the Israelites. "You must not cohabit with them, nor they with you, for they will certainly turn your hearts to their gods". Solomon held fast to them in love. He had 700 official wives and 300 concubines...."

The Holy Bible 1 Kings 11:1-3

http://www.kingsolomonsgate.com/
Yes, and did you also know that God, not only never intended man to worship in temples, but that he also never intended his people to have kings to lord and rule over them? You may already know that but not many people do!

Up until the time of Samuel, the Israelites had no king. However, they looked around at neighbouring nations and became envious that these other nations had kings, so because most of them were typical humans, they demanded from God that they should have a king also. After the plea for a king, God warned the Israelites that if they elected to have a king rule over them, he would send their sons off to wars, their daughters would become servants and they would be taxed. Even upon hearing this sound advice from God, the Israelites still insisted on having a king, so a king they got and all the things that God warned about came to pass... what a surprise!

God's Warning against Electing to have Kings and Rulers

"This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots."

Context of the above words:

"And the LORD told him: 'Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.'

Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. He said,

'This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use. He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.'

But the people refused to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.'

When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. The LORD answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.' " - 1 Samuel 8:7-22

God listened to the People crying out for a king and he gave them what they wanted. Now we have "King" George on the "throne" of America coveting the World!

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eternal_spirit
21-11-2007, 12:42 AM
Behind both "The Law" and the Royal Family was the priest-hood that upheld and enforced "The Law" (Their Law), which provides them with all power. Nothing has changed even until today. Extended Family members of the original blood-line stemming from the founder of the priest-hood became the Pharaohs and their network of aristocrats. With the high-priesthood guiding Pharaoh and enforcing "The Law" of Pharaoh (Seen as God), the black-magic image crafting priest-hood had immense power right up to our current leaders of Britain, & America amongst other European nations. Family members of the illumined blood-line priesthood would marry into the families of other tribes to continue consolidating all power for the Egyptian High Priesthood. This inter-marrying generally still occurs today.

eternal_spirit
21-11-2007, 12:43 AM
The first very clever Egyptian High Priest crafted numerous fantasy Images (constructs) that enchanted the communities of Ancient Egypt and it has always been through the crafting of their very clever black-magic images that maintained their higher standing (power & control) over the people.
The evolution of their black-magic craft evolved as they sought more power and control over the known lands and peoples of the world. To impress new tribes to join Egypt's ever-expanding empire Pharaoh was glorified as an all mighty powerful God. Through war or through treaties Egypt's expanding empire gradually spread around the globe. As Pharaoh's power grew so did the Images (constructs) to convey this thought. They started building smaller temples & palaces that gradually evolved across the ages into massive Pyramids and Sphinxes etc.

For thousands of years money (fiat - credit creation/debt-finance - usury) did not exist in Egypt. Near and far tribes continued bartering/trading their goods and services between each other, produced by their labour. A % of their goods and services were given to Pharaoh which benefited the high priest-hood. Metals, jewels, silks and spices etc were being traded or stolen by war and conquest. As it has always been and up to around the 17th/18th centuries, 99.99% of the population worked the lands, growing food or tendered to their flocks of goats, sheep or cattle etc. They bartered/traded their crops, flocks and wares at markets etc. The serfs/commoners were also dragged of to war and were generally rewarded with victory or they died or ended up as slaves to the victors.

eternal_spirit
21-11-2007, 12:44 AM
It was not until the times of Babylon that the idea of money (fiat, credit creation/debt finance) was crafted. Money/usury was knocked on the head by the people who rose up and destroyed this system, becoming the altered Bible folk-lore of Jesus turning the tables of the money changers and the Christian Religion years later. Babylon was Egypt under the guise of a different religious-occultic-esoteric sects. The high priest hood evolved primarily three major religious sects which worshiped the moon, the sun and saturn but there were many others as well. As part of their divide and rule/order out of chaos, the high priesthood continued to adapt to be sure they always had power and control over the people. They did this by creating new images (constructs) all the time, they crafted names like Atlantis, Sumeria, Phoenicia, Minoa, Babylon, Canaan, the 13 tribes of Israel (not 12), amongst many other names for nations. New Languages were crafted on Par with their inventions of these new nations/civilisations. By constant adaptations the high priest hood unfolded an elaborate and very long recording of their history. A history that is written in language code so that those who are initiated to the codes can decipher, while the other 99.99% of the population were fed lies.

eternal_spirit
21-11-2007, 12:46 AM
Prior to 99.99% of the population being forced to learn the Fantasy English language, all serfs/commoners were renters. They owned nothing and with their blood, sweat & tears they worked to pay their masters either with a % of their crops or with other trades, services or wares. This enabled them to have land and a roof over their heads. The serfs generally had no money and they bartered/traded with each other.

titurel
21-11-2007, 12:53 AM
That was very interesting and I have a question or two:

"Satanists and occultists use the pentagram to call upon demons--to practice white magic and black magic."

What is the difference between 'Satanists and occultists' and 'white magic and black magic'?
Black magic is performed by those who are aware that what their doing is not in humanity's collective interest.

White magic, as is commonly understood, is IMO merely the outer portico of black magic, where practitioners practise what they do with the best of intentions but are naively being misled by a complex disguises of what their really involved in. I know what I'm saying will anger some, but I'm not going to get het up with them because I'm more concerned with those that have power and influence over our lives, rather than with those that don't...

"The source of its rituals and symbols is from paganism and witchcraft"

Whats a good pagan/witchcraft source to find references to these rituals and symbols?
Doing a Google search for "Masonic rituals" may help...

"The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely."

Are any reasons for this put forward by anyone?
I'm not sure what you mean, please clarify!

"Enoch is also the central figure around which a great deal of Masonic legend is centered, as he is said to have constructed the two pillars of Masonic lore to preserve the antediluvian high knowledge of Atlantis inside them"

"as well as the meaning of Boaz, the left-hand pillar in the Porchway of Solomon's Temple"

Could you explain any connection between these two extracts concerning Pillars?
King Solomon had to build theTemple, but someone from outside had to undertake the actual construction of it and that was Hiram of Tyre, probably related to Cain. The Temple included a representation of two important pillars, Jachim an Boaz, which are said to have originated from before the flood.

Here's Josephus' account of the history of the actual pillars, from his "Antiquities of the Jews", Book I, Chapter II:

"Now Adam, who was the first man, and made out of the earth, (for our discourse must now be about him,) after Abel was slain, and Cain fled away, on account of his murder, was solicitous for posterity, and had a vehement desire of children, he being two hundred and thirty years old; after which time he lived other seven hundred, and then died. He had indeed many other children, (8) but Seth in particular. As for the rest, it would be tedious to name them; I will therefore only endeavor to give an account of those that proceeded from Seth. Now this Seth, when he was brought up, and came to those years in which he could discern what was good, became a virtuous man; and as he was himself of an excellent character, so did he leave children behind him who imitated his virtues. (9) All these proved to be of good dispositions. They also inhabited the same country without dissensions, and in a happy condition, without any misfortunes falling upon them, till they died. They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars, (10) the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day." (Siriad is Egypt)

cruise4
21-11-2007, 03:02 AM
"The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely."

I was wonderinmg if anyone knew WHY God forbade this. Do any supposed reasons exist?

titurel
21-11-2007, 03:40 AM
"The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely."

I was wonderinmg if anyone knew WHY God forbade this. Do any supposed reasons exist?
Because these beings are fallen angels, demons whose leader is elsewhere described in the Bible as Reptilian in nature... the Serpent, the Dragon that Revelation describes as the power behind the rulers of the world. That's why, of course, the NWO agenda is also described as the Reptilian agenda.

lydia78
21-11-2007, 09:10 AM
That was very interesting and I have a question or two:

"Satanists and occultists use the pentagram to call upon demons--to practice white magic and black magic."

Hi Cruise, you have to appreciate some of the links i provided were from the Christian perspective, and they will always perceive any magic as dark...but actually the tools themselves are neutral energy...like a sword, a gun, a pen what have you...it all boils down to the intention of the user at the end of the day. However, 'white magic' refers to the intent, it is a practice that is used but only when the user has aligned themselves with their higher attributes, have done the inner work, know thyself, trust thyself, love thyself are the foundations, which sounds pretty egoic but in fact by doing these things we can know others, empthy, compassion, altrusim, connection to the creator etc comes into play, and we can respond and transmute negatives...bringing them back to neutral..
This is a very long process but many (especially of the 'new age, instant gratification era) take shortcuts and dont do the inner work, this is where they fall apart, hence the new age conspiracy lol...but yes the pentagram can be used to do whatever the user intends...whether that is summoning demonics or neutralising that energy.


What is the difference between 'Satanists and occultists' and 'white magic and black magic'?

Again, it boils down to the intent of the user..satanists are directing their energy to satan, occultists dont neccessarily do this, in fact it is very rare i meet a divination user to find them doing it for 'dark intent'...I believe some can leave their psychic channels wide open and they encounter 'neg's' or lower plain spirits, but this is true for many people, we are by nature psychic...its the conditioning that has reserved the doubt for us..but when undertaking occultism, it should be treated with respect and the inner work should take presidence over the ego's want to 'try out the cards' or 'dabble' this is not reccomended...once we have our ego's in check that is not repressed by the 'super ego' to use a freudian term, not suppressed by our fears, but when it is in harmony or centred the ego is a good tool.

"The source of its rituals and symbols is from paganism and witchcraft"

Whats a good pagan/witchcraft source to find references to these rituals and symbols?

i would always reccommend checking it all out, and then do your cross referencing...check out the sources and what perspective their coming from...its an on going process finding a really 'good' source, a bit like conspiracy writers lol

"The Bible calls these spiritual beings demons, with God forbidding such practices completely."

Are any reasons for this put forward by anyone?

Well the bible is biased in its opinion inho lol


"Enoch is also the central figure around which a great deal of Masonic legend is centered, as he is said to have constructed the two pillars of Masonic lore to preserve the antediluvian high knowledge of Atlantis inside them"

"as well as the meaning of Boaz, the left-hand pillar in the Porchway of Solomon's Temple"

Could you explain any connection between these two extracts concerning Pillars?

There is alchemical significance regarding the pillars: The outer pillars of the temple are called the "Pillars of Enoch". Enoch, fearing that the principles of the Arts and Sciences might be lost, erected two pillars, the one of marble to withstand fire, the other of brass to resist water. On each he engraved all the knowledge which he feared would be lost. The globes are symbols of unity, peace and plenty. These pillars also support the "Rainbow" which is sometimes associated with the Holy Royal Arch. It is also called the "Arch of Heaven", symbolic of the architectural arch.

http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/artjuly01/twopillars.htm

I encourage you to post more about freemasonry and Mystery School history.

;)

titurel
21-11-2007, 02:33 PM
you have to appreciate some of the links i provided were from the Christian perspective, and they will always perceive any magic as dark...
That's blatantly false propaganda and it also depends how you define 'magic' in the first place and context. The essence of life itself is 'magic' and I've not come across any Christians who say that there is darkness in pure spirit. Like you said, it depends how spirit is used, and using it for selfish purposes is dark, so you were at least right on that score.

lydia78
22-11-2007, 09:22 AM
That's blatantly false propaganda and it also depends how you define 'magic' in the first place and context. The essence of life itself is 'magic' and I've not come across any Christians who say that there is darkness in pure spirit. Like you said, it depends how spirit is used, and using it for selfish purposes is dark, so you were at least right on that score.


Is it blatant false propaganda?
Is it unfair to say christians disprove of the harry potter stories for example or divination systems?
Individual differences do matter here but the majority seem to implicate divination or psychic ability as being tied down to the dark forces..well at least in my experience of conversing with Christians anyway.
There are many factions of christianity who vary in their belief systems...it gets a bit confusing when so many factions stand under the umberella of Christianity.
wiki said:
"Christian views on magic vary widely across denominational and individual barriers, and are often influenced by scriptural, theological, and historical considerations. Some Christians actively condemn any form of magic as satanic while others do not or simply dismiss it as superstition."

If this is wrong then by all means I'm open to hearing a different interpretation, as we are all learning here...
you are spot on with the interpretation of magic, very well put too!!:)

lydia78
22-11-2007, 09:47 AM
This is weird, a friend of mine lent me a book, written by Robert Lomas, published by Lewis Masonic and over seen by Martin Faulks...who happens to be one of my 'friends on myspace' not that we communicate, not sure when i added him tbh,....however, 'Turning the Templar Key' is a book about masons written by masons...so I thought I'd have a look and see how far they were prepared to go in writing about their craft. It does go into certain rites and rituals...some half truths and 'history', but what is their angle in writing such a book?

Turns out that martin faulks is the first Freemason ever to appear on national television and talk openly about what it was like to go though the Masonic initiation ceremonies. The appearance was on BBC's Sunday morning religious programme The Heaven and Earth Show. Martin is also the author of numerous articles on Freemasonry and has contributed to magazines such as 'Freemasonry Today', The Square and the Scottish magazine The Ashlar.

So why have the masons got a 'poster boy' all of a sudden? what is their game? What do they hope to acheive by going public? are they trying to create a new image?? Anyone got any ideas other than the disinfo
argument?

lydia78
22-11-2007, 10:22 AM
According to Robert Lomas, the Kirkwall Scroll is the oldest masonic document, and shows the symbolic spiritual journey of Freemasonry. The scroll has been radiocarbon dated to round 1490 CE. This around the time that Freemasonry was established in Scotland by the St Clairs of Roslin.

1305
Lodge No 38' Kirkwall Kilwinning, Castle Street, Kirkwall

The Scroll, measures 18 feet 6 inches in length, and 5 feet 6 inches in width. The material of which it is composed is a strong linen, and consists of a full width of cloth in the centre with a divided width sewn along each side.
It occupies the west wall of the Lodge room, but the height of the apartment is not sufficient to show the whole scroll at one time.
It is very roughly painted in oil; the emblem down the centre being mainly in pale blue, but the top panel shows some attempt to imitate nature, the hills being brown, the sea green, the trees brown, and ground reddish, Eve and the animals and fishes pink. On each side of the centre strip runs a ribbon of three colours ‑ blue, yellow and green ‑ the blue being inside. On the left side the rivers and cities are green, the trees and hills brown, and the same may be said of the other side, the tents and symbols being, however, blue. The margin all round is a dark slate colour.

1306

The border on the spectator's left hand would seem to represent a map of the wanderings of the Hebrews until their settlement in Egypt. The rivers Tigris and Euphrates run down the centre, through a pastoral country almost devoid of cities, but in the lower‑most panel we are landed in Egypt, with the "Nillus" running through it, and many cities and buildings depicted. The right hand border should apparently be read from the bottom to the top, and seems to portray the wanderings of the Israelites in the desert. The central ribbon is not a river but evidently a road and is marked off in years, beginning at year 1, and ending at the year 46. We start from the Land of Midian and Mount Sinai, and have the first camp, the fall of Manna, a graveyard, the Waters of the Rock, the Worship of the Golden Calf, Sepulchre of Sarah, or Aaron, the elevation of the Serpent, &c., &c., while at the 46th year the road branches into numerous small paths, one leading to a building which probably is intended for the Temple at Jerusalem. Both margins, especially the right hand one, are covered with place and city names, but Bro. R. Muir, who has kindly collated our drawings with the original for me, writes that "The names appear to be of more modern date than the scroll itself, and have not been all written at the same time even, the ink is different and fresher in certain instances, and some of the writing is plainly by a different hand."


The central panels speak for themselves. They commence at the top with Eve and the animals in the Garden of Eden ‑but why Adam is omitted would be difficult to say ‑ and end at the bottom with the Craft degrees. There are several cryptograms, some of which I have deciphered, but others have eluded my skill. At the very top is one such word and another will be found at the base of the hour‑glass‑like figure in the second panel. On the cornice of the altar within the Arch, is a third. The next panel shows a cryptogram on the face of the altar, which I have partially solved, the chief difficulty consisting in the fact that many of th e characters are incorrectly depicted. But, making the needful alterations, it reads :-

I am hath sent me

unto you. I am that

I am; I am the Rose

of Sharon and the Lily

of the valley. Hegee

as her hejah. I am

that I am, or I will

bee that I will bee

Jaldadaiah.

To the left of this is something which might be a highlander's feather bonnet, or a fountain, or even a tree, with a scroll beneath. On the ribbon is a word thrice repeated, which if written in the same cypher would read, Jugee Jugee Jugee! If not in the same cypher, then it is almost impossible to guess what it means, as there is not enough of it to furnish a clue. The words Three Three Three would obviously be possible,* and it may be an allusion to the 3 x 3 so well known in Masonry. The altar in the lowest panel has also a cryptogram on its cornice and face, which, being transliterated without making any allowance for incorrect writing, reads:

1 Chronikils, 2d captr 48, 49

Judges cgaptr 12, 6, 7

Hensis Chapr 4, 22

1 Kings, chapr 7, 21

Mashew Cgapr, 16, 18

This represents the kind of faults to be found in the verses given above; they arise from the want of a dot, or the redundance of one, or from a line more or less in the different characters.

It may be worthy of consideration whether the original purpose of the scroll was not to serve as a floor cloth for the Lodge, for which its size would be suitable. The earliest form of our modern movable tracing board was that of a floor cloth, consisting of various symbolic designs, of which the mosaic pavement was usually, though not always, a feature. The actual tracing board, sometimes called also a square, was black. Gradually the design was transferred to the board, and the floor cloth preserved only the pavement. If this supposition be correct, the date of the scroll would fall into the first half of the eighteenth century, or very little later. Failing some clue, which we can scarcely hope to find except at Kirkwall, itself, its origin is likely to remain a mystery. The scroll can scarcely have been intended to hang on the wall, as it does now; unless, indeed, a lodge chamber 20 feet high was contemplated! ‑ G. W. Speth.

http://www.lodgecraigellachie.co.uk/Masonica/Kirkwall/Kirkwall.htm

lydia78
22-11-2007, 10:52 AM
1307

The following appears in the Daily Telegraph, 22nd July 2000:

"Masonic Lodge's Secret Scroll "is £8 million treasure" by Thomas Harding

A secret scroll which has been hanging in a Masonic Lodge in the Orkney Islands for almost three centuries is thought to be one of the most significant recent finds in Britain.

The Kirkwall Scroll, depicting secrets of the Knights Templar, has been carbon dated to the 15th Century, greatly increasing its significance.

The Masonic Lodge in Orkney was unaware it possessed a priceless medieval treasure, thinking it was from the 18th Century.

Andrew Sinclair, a Cambridge History Don claims that the little known Kirkwall Scroll, which he says could be worth £8 million, is second in value only to the famous 13th Century Mapa Mundi which hangs in Hereford Cathedral, and was valued at £7 million by Sothebys in 1989.

Mr Sinclair, who heard about the Scroll while researching the history St Clair Earls of Orkney, said "Its significance is immense. This will demand the rewriting of Scots medieval history."
Mr Sinclair, a descendant of the St Clairs, was allowed access to the Scroll and took a piece of it a away for carbon testing. The 18 foot sailcloth hanging is said to contain ancient Freemason and Templar symbols of great significance, including clues for the trail to the Holy Grail.
Parts of the scroll date from the 18th and early 19th Centuries.

The St Clair Earls of Orkney have been strongly associated with the legendary Knights Templar and secret orders.

Mr Sinclair said the Kirkwall Scroll is unique in that it proves how the ancient knowledge amassed by the Knights Templar during the Crusades has been passed on into Freemasonry by the St Clairs, to safeguard it.
But Mr Sinclair's proposal to remove it for safekeeping has incensed the Freemasons.
"Anything is priceless if you've got a market for it, so his sensation-making claims of it being worth millions mean nothing," said a spokesman.
"It is priceless to us and we have safeguarded it well for more than two and a half centuries."
"No-one can have access without special permission and it is protected from the light, so we would urge "Leave well alone." ."

lookfar
22-11-2007, 01:02 PM
This is weird, a friend of mine lent me a book, written by Robert Lomas, published by Lewis Masonic and over seen by Martin Faulks...who happens to be one of my 'friends on myspace' not that we communicate, not sure when i added him tbh,....however, 'Turning the Templar Key' is a book about masons written by masons...so I thought I'd have a look and see how far they were prepared to go in writing about their craft. It does go into certain rites and rituals...some half truths and 'history', but what is their angle in writing such a book?

Turns out that martin faulks is the first Freemason ever to appear on national television and talk openly about what it was like to go though the Masonic initiation ceremonies. The appearance was on BBC's Sunday morning religious programme The Heaven and Earth Show. Martin is also the author of numerous articles on Freemasonry and has contributed to magazines such as 'Freemasonry Today', The Square and the Scottish magazine The Ashlar.

So why have the masons got a 'poster boy' all of a sudden? what is their game? What do they hope to acheive by going public? are they trying to create a new image?? Anyone got any ideas other than the disinfo
argument?

Hey Lydster honey :D

Wow, this is some thread, nice work!!:D Apologies but I haven't had chance to read it all yet so have just been skimming it so far....

Although I haven't really looked indepth into FM's, but in response to this comment.... when Lotts & I were checking out the IoW masons, there was something on their website about a new recruitment campaign & angles they could pursue to attract newbies. So this would indicate to me that they're trying a new approach, which is possibly why this guy is going public... But Myspace, lol????!!!!:eek::rolleyes:

titurel
22-11-2007, 03:29 PM
Is it blatant false propaganda?
Is it unfair to say christians disprove of the harry potter stories for example or divination systems?
Individual differences do matter here but the majority seem to implicate divination or psychic ability as being tied down to the dark forces..well at least in my experience of conversing with Christians anyway.
There are many factions of christianity who vary in their belief systems...it gets a bit confusing when so many factions stand under the umberella of Christianity.
wiki said:
"Christian views on magic vary widely across denominational and individual barriers, and are often influenced by scriptural, theological, and historical considerations. Some Christians actively condemn any form of magic as satanic while others do not or simply dismiss it as superstition."

If this is wrong then by all means I'm open to hearing a different interpretation, as we are all learning here...
you are spot on with the interpretation of magic, very well put too!!:)
You also haven't defined the word "Christian". Many don't like to associated with the label Christianity because it denotes anything, including Roman Catholicism, which they are strictly opposed to. I'm opposed to all organised and institutional belief structures.

In respect to Harry Potter, my view is that this type of story telling breaks away from primordial wisdom and traditional story telling, and plays right into the illuminati's agenda. For example, let's compare Harry Potter to Frodo in Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings"...

Frodo defeats the evil forces of Darkness simply by being himself and in this respect, this makes him a more ordinarily human character than Harry Potter, who has to rely on his supernatural powers. That we have the ability to overcome evil simply by being human is quite inspirational, otherwise, the message that's being sent out is that we can only overcome evil through witchcraft and magic.

Traditionally, most heroes fought evil with their physical strength or intelligence. Harry Potter fights fire by pouring petrol on it. The Harry Potter books portray a world in which the most powerful wizard wins and becomes his own god of the universe.

So where does that leave us ordinary humans? In "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire", humans without magical powers are secondary and insignificant (people like you and I).

Tolkien regarded myth as truth, and he recognised that even in the myths of antiquity, there are patterns of truth that are reflected in modern times... after all, Tolkien himself identified himself as a hobbit. "And, I am in fact a hobbit in all the sides", he wrote in 1956.

The Lord of the Rings is a biblical analogy...

The Line-up

The Ring: The sinful fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Bilbo Baggins or Smeagol/Gollum: Adam/Eve
Hobbits: Common folk
Saruman: Judas
Sauron: Satan
Frodo Baggins: Main Disciple (the son of Man)
Gandalf: Christ
Aragorn: Holy Spirit
Fellowship of the Ring: The Disciples
Various Orcs: Satan's army of demons
Elrond: Archangel Michael (God's spokesperson)
Elves: Angels

synergy777
22-11-2007, 06:11 PM
The Lord of the Rings is a biblical analogy...

The Line-up

The Ring: The sinful fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Bilbo Baggins or Smeagol/Gollum: Adam/Eve
Hobbits: Common folk
Saruman: Judas
Sauron: Satan
Frodo Baggins: Main Disciple (the son of Man)
Gandalf: Christ
Aragorn: Holy Spirit
Fellowship of the Ring: The Disciples
Various Orcs: Satan's army of demons
Elrond: Archangel Michael (God's spokesperson)
Elves: Angels


good analysis. i too share these views.

synergy777
22-11-2007, 06:47 PM
lydia great info on the masons, any links.

lydia78
23-11-2007, 12:15 PM
You also haven't defined the word "Christian". Many don't like to associated with the label Christianity because it denotes anything, including Roman Catholicism, which they are strictly opposed to. I'm opposed to all organised and institutional belief structures.

In respect to Harry Potter, my view is that this type of story telling breaks away from primordial wisdom and traditional story telling, and plays right into the illuminati's agenda. For example, let's compare Harry Potter to Frodo in Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings"...

Frodo defeats the evil forces of Darkness simply by being himself and in this respect, this makes him a more ordinarily human character than Harry Potter, who has to rely on his supernatural powers. That we have the ability to overcome evil simply by being human is quite inspirational, otherwise, the message that's being sent out is that we can only overcome evil through witchcraft and magic.

Traditionally, most heroes fought evil with their physical strength or intelligence. Harry Potter fights fire by pouring petrol on it. The Harry Potter books portray a world in which the most powerful wizard wins and becomes his own god of the universe.

So where does that leave us ordinary humans? In "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire", humans without magical powers are secondary and insignificant (people like you and I).

Tolkien regarded myth as truth, and he recognised that even in the myths of antiquity, there are patterns of truth that are reflected in modern times... after all, Tolkien himself identified himself as a hobbit. "And, I am in fact a hobbit in all the sides", he wrote in 1956.

The Lord of the Rings is a biblical analogy...

The Line-up

The Ring: The sinful fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Bilbo Baggins or Smeagol/Gollum: Adam/Eve
Hobbits: Common folk
Saruman: Judas
Sauron: Satan
Frodo Baggins: Main Disciple (the son of Man)
Gandalf: Christ
Aragorn: Holy Spirit
Fellowship of the Ring: The Disciples
Various Orcs: Satan's army of demons
Elrond: Archangel Michael (God's spokesperson)
Elves: Angels

Great analysis, I share your views on LOTR as in your above example. My Fella is a Tolkien himself, the great nephew of JRR, the hobbits were based on his family lol...however their all over 6 foot so they're more like giant hobbits lol.
As a non Christain, I'm aware of the many subtypes or off shoots, so what is your definition of Christianity? it's pretty vast in terms of beliefs, just feels like the goal posts/parameters are always changing within the religious domains.

lydia78
23-11-2007, 12:16 PM
lydia great info on the masons, any links.

yeah Syn, the links are at the bottom of the posts,
will be more soon when i have more time to go ahunting lol :D

lydia78
23-11-2007, 01:39 PM
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/pillars.html

Referring to Hiram of Tyre:

"He cast two bronze pillars, each eighteen cubits high and twelve cubits around [that is, about 27 feet (about 8.1 meters) high and 18 feet
(about 5.4 meters) around] by line].
He also made two capitals of cast bronze to set on the tops of the pillars; each capital was five cubits [that is, about 7 1/2 feet (about 2.3 meters)] high. A network of interwoven chains festooned the capitals on top of the pillars, seven for each capital. He made pomegranates in two rows encircling each network to decorate the capitals on top of the pillars. He did the same for each capital. The capitals on top of the pillars in the portico were in the shape of lilies, four cubits [that is, about 6 feet (about 1.8 meters)] high. On the capitals of both pillars, above the bowl-shaped part next to the network, were the two hundred pomegranates in rows all around. He erected the pillars at the portico of the temple. The pillar to the south he named Jakin [which probably means 'he establishes'] and the one to the north Boaz [which probably means 'in him is strength']. The capitals on top were in the shape of lilies. And so the work on the pillars was completed."
- I Kings 7:15-22

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High preistess card in the tarot
depicts boaz and Jachin

"It was a common practice in antiquity to erect two independent pillars flanking the entrance to a temple. Their precise purpose is unknown. The pillars for Solomon's temple are huge in size, each nearly six feet thick and about twenty-seven feet high. Each has an elaborately decorated capital of almost eight feet made of bronze three inches thick. The two pillars have names, Jachin (meaning 'he set up') and Boaz (meaning unknown, though with different vowels it would mean ('with strength'). Why these names were given and what they signified is unknown."
- John Wiliam Wevers, "The First Book of Kings" in Old Testament History

"In I Kings 7:15,16 we are told that the two pillars (Jachin and Boaz) measured 18 cubits plus 5 cubits for the capitals, a total height of 23 cubits for each pillar; and Jeremiah 52:21,22 gives exactly the same measurements. II Kings 25:17,though, says the pillars were 18 + 3 cubits, but this is not a problem since the writer is very likely excluding a decoration such as a cluster of bronze leaves around each capital. It was, and still is, customary to put leaf decorations around capitals, and particularly these because each one represented a lily flower.
"The real problem is II Chronicles 3:15 which says the pillars were 35 cubits + 5 for the capitals, a total of 40 cubits. Some have tried to say that perhaps this verse is totaling the height of both pillars, 18 + 18 = 36, but others say the particular Hebrew wording excludes such an interpretation. II Chronicles also says that the Porch of the Temple was 120 cubits when I Kings says it was only 30. The figure of 120 is symbolic (basically it stands for Israel's 12 tribes multiplied, 10 x 12= 120). Symbolism is also the purpose of the pillars' 35+5 cubit measurements and are the proportions of a man.

"In ancient architecture, the capitals of a column represented a man's head, and a man was (and is) 7-8 heads tall. This is the formula that was used by the ancient Greeks, Romans and others to build columns for the temples of their gods and the practice is referred to rather matter-of-factly in books about ancient architecture. Solomon even gave his two pillars personal names, Jachin and Boaz, and obviously they depict the proportions of a man, which one may figure as 35 divided by 5 = 7 heads, or 40 divided 5= 8 heads. Either computation is no problem."
- Tony Badillo (private communication)

Visit Temple Secrets of Solomon

In the lore of Freemasonry, Boaz was the great-grandfather of King David - representing "strength, or it is in strength". Jachin was the high priest who assisted the dedication of Solomon's Temple - representing " to establish" and united "stability".
Boaz, the left-hand pillar, stood to the south representing the land of Judah and signifying 'strength'; Jachin stood in the north representing the land of Israel signifying 'establishment' and when united by the lintel of Yahweh the two provided 'stability'. As in ancient Egypt, so long as the two lands were conjoined by the appropriate pillars political stability would endure."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus


Knight and Lomas write that Boaz stood to the south whereas I Kings clearly states that it stood to the north. According to Knight and Lomas, two pillars - one located in Upper Egypt and the other in Lower Egypt - symbolically united the ancient kingdom.


"Jachin and Boaz represent two giant plants or tree whose top is a lotus flower and stem or trunk are that of a palm tree. Solomon created a hybrid plant, essentially. These plants, like other things in the Temple are multi-symbolic, representing more than one thing at the same time.
"In case of the plants or trees, they depict Israel being 'planted' in the new land of Canaan. These two trees, in turn, depict the two kings mostly responsible building the temple, David and Solomon. David is Boaz, Solomon Jachin. This explains the dynastic oracle well known to temple students but not fully understood, 'By his strength he (or the king) will be established.' The word 'strength' can also be translated 'striker.' However it is rendered, it refers to a man of war, David. Jachin refers to making something firm, establishing it; this is Solomon. David is told that the kingdom would be 'established' by his son at a time of 'peace' (a reference to Solomon whose name means peace or pacific).


"The lotus flower was recognized as a love flower anciently and here it signifies God's love for Israel by 'establishing' it in the new land. 'Establishing' applies to the stem of the tree. The name David means 'beloved.' As for Solomon, he had a second name, Jedidiah, which also means beloved. Since the two kings are given credit for founding and establishing Israel as a 'kingdom' they form the legs of the Temple Man. 'Establishing' something is to cause it to stand or stand up (as if one were planting post on the ground) and, hence, the legs. Therefore, Temple Man must be seen as standing.


"However, since the establishing (enlarging and becoming known) would take place only during a time of peace -- Solomon's time -- it must also be seen as a man lying down, which depicts being at 'peace,' i.e., 'resting' is portrayed by a man lying down asleep (Jacob). Rest and peace are used somewhat as synonyms. Jacob and Solomon are both men of peace or rest.


"From this we can see how Boaz and Jacob also represent two concepts, War and Peace. But further, these two relate to the Sacrificial Altar (war) and the Sea of Bronze (peace). The purpose of this is to portray the ultimate purpose of the whole Temple, redemption. The Sacrificial Altar depicting the feet of Temple Man depicts God at war with world and conquering it. The sacrifice representing surrender to God, and as a result, one is put at peace with him by being given his spirit (the water in the Sea of Bronze), which portrays conception or fusion (the spirit of God and man uniting, devekut). Actual birth is portrayed by the ulam or porch which depicts the reproductive organs in the pelvic area or 'loins.' In this way one is 'born' into the Temple and enters it as a new priest. The Temple is a miniature, idealistic reproduction of the kingdom, or at least stands for it, since it was recognized as God's 'palace.' These new priests must be seen, therefore, as a 'kingdom' of priests."
- Tony Badillo, discussing his upcoming book, King Solomon's Astonishing Temple Secrets


"According the 'old ritual' [of Freemasonry] these two great pillars had been hollow. Inside them had been stored the 'ancient records' and the 'valuable writings' pertaining to the past of the Jewish people. And amongst these records, the Freemasons claimed, had been 'the secret of the magical Shamir and the history of its properties'."
- Graham Hancock, The Sign and the Seal

lydia78
23-11-2007, 01:45 PM
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/solomon.html

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The Temple of Solomon
Construction of Solomon's Temple
(1) Iron Age or Late Bronze Age?
During the period traditionally assigned to the era of Solomon - Iron Age IIA (1000 to 900 B.C.E.) - "the so-called cities of Megiddo, Gezer and Hazor, and Jerusalem itself were in reality more like villages....Within were relatively small public buildings and poorly constructed dwellings with clay floors. The objects reveal a material culture which, even by the standards of the ancient Near East, could not be judged sophisticated or luxurious...The 'magnificence' of the age of Solomon is parochial and decidedly lackluster, but the first book of Kings implies exactly the opposite."
- Prof. James Pritchard, Solomon and Sheba (1974), p. 35

"...Byblos is rich in fine stone buildings from the Bronze Age. However, when it comes to the Iron Age (which is purportedly the time of Solomon and his ally, Hiram of Tyre) there are no stone buildings at Byblos. How then did Solomon acquire building expertise from Phoenicia if the Phoenicians did not have the skill or resources to build stone structures for themselves?"
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1995), p. 174

"... He (Solomon) also built cities which might be counted among the strongest, Hazor and Megiddo, and the third Gezer, which had indeed belonged to the Philistines's; but Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, had made an expedition against it, and besieged it, and taken it by force: and when he had slain all it's inhabitants, he utterly overthrew it, and gave it as a present to his daughter, who married Solomon, for which reason the king rebuilt it, as a city that was naturally strong, and might be useful in wars, and the mutations of affairs that sometimes happen."
- Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews

"Pharaoh, king of Egypt had gone up and captured Gezer and burnt it with fire, and has slain the Canaanites's who dwelt in the city, and had given it as dowry to his daughter, Solomon's wife; So Solomon rebuilt Gezer."
- I Kings 9:15

According to archaeologists, Gezer was rebuilt on the ruins of the fourth city with a larger circumference and walls measuring 14 feet in thickness. The brick towers belonging to the old wall were filled with scarabs, beads, fragments of pottery and other objects contemporary with the reign of Egyptian Pharoah Amenhotep III.

"As for myself I have discovered from our own books, that after Pharaoh, the father-in-law of Solomon, no other king of Egypt did any longer use that name: and that it was after that time when the fore mentioned queen of Egypt and Ethiopia came to Solomon."
- Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews

"The thought that crossed many scholars' minds was that the name or title of Pharaoh continued and the Josephus was in error. But Josephus was relating that the family name after this king had died ceased and was not continued even by his own offspring. This again pointed to Ikhnaton, Amenhotep III and included queen Tiy [mother of Ikhanton] as well."
- Rev. Robert Palmer (private correspondence)

Ikhanton (or Akhenaten) was the controversial pharaoh who attempted to revive the worship of the sun god. Tutankhamun was probably Akhenaten's son by a minor wife and ruled from the age of nine to twenty. After his death, Tutankhamun was succeeded by a courtier named Ay, then a general, Horemheb who branded Akhenaten a heretic and attempted to destroy any trace of him. As far as Egyptian history was concerned, the last legitimate ruler of the 18th dynasty and the last person to use the name Amenhotep was Amenhotep III.

"Solomon made an alliance with Pharaoh king of Egypt and married his daughter. He brought her to the City of David until he finished building his palace and the temple of the LORD, and the wall around Jerusalem."
- I Kings 3:1

"Solomon married Pharaoh's daughter so one might expect a certain amount of Egyptian influence in the artistic tastes of the Solomonic court. If we look at some of the ivories from Megiddo's LB II palace we find a number of Egyptian motifs, including papyrus plants, lilies and lotus flowers (the floral motifs of Upper and Lower Egypt), as well as palm trees and winged sphinxes."
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1995), p. 178

"Then the king made a great throne inlaid with ivory and overlaid with fine gold. The throne had six steps, and its back had a rounded top. On both sides of the seat were armrests, with a lion standing beside each of them. Twelve lions stood on the six steps, one at either end of each step. Nothing like it had ever been made for any other kingdom."
- I Kings 10:18-20

In addition a court scene depicted in ivory also shows Egyptian elements. "First, above the chariot horses is a winged sun-disk, second, the queen offers a lotus flower to her husband; and third the king is seated upon a throne, the sides of which are guarded by winged sphinxes (i.e., human-headed lions)."
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1995), p. 178

"After Pharaoh's daughter had come up from the City of David to the palace Solomon had built for her,he constructed the supporting terraces."
- I Kings 9:24

"The only Egyptian architectural remains ever found in Jerusalem may be identified with the palace of Pharaoh's Daughter, constructed by Solomon after the completion of the Temple of Yahweh in the king's 11th year...These remains date to Late Bronze IIA-B and are contemporary with the reigns of the Egyptian Pharaohs Haremheb (late-reign) and Seti I."
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1995), p. 184

"Excavations at Megiddo built during this period,which I Kings 9:15 records as being built up by Solomon, revealed a Late Bronze Age palace 50 metres long with two-metre thick walls, a royal treasure-room with a magnificent hoard of treasures and the richest collection of Canaanite carved ivory yet discovered in Palestine (Yigael Yadin of the University of Jerusalem)."
- John Fulton, "A New Chronology - Synopsis of David Rohl's book 'A Test of Time'"

"The great courtyard was surrounded by a wall of three courses of dressed stone and one course of trimmed cedar beams, as was the inner courtyard of the temple of the LORD with its portico."
- I Kings 7:12

The building technique used in the gate of the late Bronze Age city of Megiddo (when it reached its cultural zenith) consisted of three courses of ashlar blocks built on top of a basalt foundation. This is identical to the technique used by Solomon and his Phoenician craftsmen according to the Bible - and to that employed in the Late Bronze Age Palace of Ugarit in Phoenicia.

"When Solomon built the Temple of Yahweh in Jerusalem, he erected two great pillars which flanked the entrance to the cella of the building. They were called Jachin and Boaz [I Kings 7:15-22]. Temple 2048 at Megiddo also has a pair of columns guarding the entrance..."
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1995), p. 178

"Here is the account of the forced labor King Solomon conscripted to build the LORD's temple, his own palace, the supporting terraces [or the Millo], the wall of Jerusalem, and Hazor, Megiddo and Gezer."
- I Kings 9:15

"The massive Late Bronze Age stone terracing system constructed along the eastern slopes of the City of David is to be identified with the Jerusalem Millo, constructed in the reign of Solomon..."
- David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1995), p. 181

For more on the synchronization of Egyptian and biblical chronologies, see:
The Tel Amarna Tablets.

more at link:

The Temple of Baal at Palmyra

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"And Solomon went to Hamath-zobah [fortress of Zobah], and prevailed against it. And he built Tadmor in the wilderness, and all the store cities, which he built in Hamath."
- 2 Chronicles 8:3-4

Tadmor
"Tadmor: 'palm', a city built by Solomon 'in the wilderness' (2 Chr. 8:4). In 1 Kings 9:18, where the word occurs in the Authorized Version, the Hebrew text and the Revised Version read 'Tamar,' which is properly a city on the southern border of Palestine and toward the wilderness (comp. Ezek. 47:19; 48:28). In 2 Chr. 8:14 Tadmor is mentioned in connection with Hamath-zobah. It is called Palmyra by the Greeks and Romans. It stood in the great Syrian wilderness, 176 miles from Damascus and 130 from the Mediterranean and was the center of a vast commercial traffic with Western Asia. It was also an important military station.
"Remains of ancient temples and palaces, surrounded by splendid colonnades of white marble, many of which are yet standing, and thousands of prostrate pillars, scattered over a large extent of space, attest the ancient magnificence of this city of palms, surpassing that of the renowned cities of Greece and Rome."
-Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

In the precincts of the Temple of Baal or Bel at Palmyra, "there was the huge ablutions pool-the 'sea of bronze'-In front of the raised cella or holy of holies, the temple's focal point, the walls around it lined with porticoes whose columns are still standing. Next to the ritual pool was 'the altar of the holocausts,' Just like the huge sacrificial altar where Solomon had slaughtered 144,000 sheep and oxen. The cella was once surrounded by a colonnade, with capitals fashioned from bronze. Only the stone cores now remain, but the limestone lintels joining this colonnade to the wall behind still show the profusion of motifs - pomegranates, winged figures and animals - that the Bible recounts Solomon decreeing for his temple."
"Depicted on the limestone lintel joining this colonnade, "a camel bore the great image of Baal toward an altar, passing by a group of elegant women wearing the traditional Palmyrene dress, a simple draped cloth tied at the middle. Following these, though, was another group of women who were veiled, their heads bowed in humble reverence, their whole demeanor far from the proudly independent stance of their Palmyrene sisters. These were Semitic women, beyond doubt; but were they Hebrews or Arabs?"
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"The altar itself was heaped with offerings of the kind we read about in the Solomonic accounts: pomegranates, pine cones, fat bunches of grapes, a goat. And worshipping at the altar itself were two figures, both men in typical Parthian dress. The Parthians were an Iranian tribe from an area southeast of the Caspian Sea; but many Diaspora Jews also occupied this area. In the New Testament (Acts 2:9) we hear of Parthian Diaspora Jews present at the first Christian Pentecost. The followers of Simon Magus were Diaspora Jews, Western Magi, linked closely to their Eastern counterparts."
"Inside the cella were still more surprises. This sanctum sanctorum consists of two open shrines facing each other, both reached by steps, both containing huge square ceilings of elaborately carved monolithic slabs. The one to the left of the entrance, however, has a zodiac circling its lotuslike design; and the one on the right contains exceptionally fine geometric designs within a virtually identical multipetaled floral form. The Palmyrene trinity of Baal, Yarhibol, and Aglibol is also represented in the cella. Yet the opposing shrines were what I found most astonishing. They are overtly Hindu-Buddhist, with the lotus forms and a reappearing entwined swastika motif prominent among the geometrical designs."
- Paul William Roberts, Journey of the Magi (1995) pp. 341-342

Hamath/Hama, Syria
"Hamath: "Fortress", the capital of one of the kingdoms of Upper Syria of the same name, on the Orontes, in the valley of Lebanon, at the northern boundary of Palestine (Num. 13:21; 34:8), at the foot of Hermon (Josh. 13:5) towards Damascus (Zech. 9:2; Jer. 49:23). It is called 'Hamath the great' in Amos 6:2, and 'Hamath-zobah' in 2 Chr. 8:3.
"Hamath, now Hamah, had an Aramaean population, but Hittite monuments discovered there show that it must have been at one time occupied by the Hittites. It was among the conquests of the Pharaoh Thothmes III. Its king, Tou or Toi, made alliance with David (2 Sam. 8:10), and in B.C. 740 Azariah formed a league with it against Assyria. It was, however, conquered by the Assyrians, and its nineteen districts placed under Assyrian governors. In B.C. 720 it revolted under a certain Yahu-bihdi, whose name, compounded with that of the God of Israel (Yahu), perhaps shows that he was of Jewish origin. But the revolt was suppressed, and the people of Hamath were transported to Samaria (2 Kings 17:24, 30), where they continued to worship their god Ashima. Hamah is beautifully situated on the Orontes, 32 miles north of Emesa, and 36 south of the ruins of Assamea.
"The kingdom of Hamath comprehended the great plain lying on both banks of the Orontes from the fountain near Riblah to Assamea on the north, and from Lebanon on the west to the desert on the east. The 'entrance of Hamath' (Num. 34:8), which was the north boundary of Palestine, led from the west between the north end of Lebanon and the Nusairiyeh mountains."
-Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

"You shall draw a line from Mount Hor to the Lebo-hamath [or 'entrance of Hamath'], and the termination of the border shall be at Zedad; and the border shall proceed to Ziphron, and its termination shall be at Hazar-enan. This shall be your north border."
- Numbers 34:8-9

"The boundary shall extend from the sea to Hazar-enan at the border of Damascus, and on the north toward the north is the border of Hamath. This is the north side. The west side shall be the Great Sea, from the south border to a point opposite Lebo-hamath. This is the west side."
- Ezekiel 47:17-20


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lydia78
23-11-2007, 02:09 PM
http://www.kingsolomonsastonishingtemplesecrets.org/

The floor plan: does it reveal
a temple with a human form ?

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The greatest secret of King Solomon's temple is that it may have been constructed in the hidden form of a human body. Its architectural floor plan, in conjunction with the arrangement of its furnishings, reveals a “Temple Man” composed of three biblical figures: the Levitical High Priest, Jacob and a "Metallic Messiah." All three appear in a single composition, with one figure imposed atop the other. The measurements and description of the Temple (Heb., ha mikdash) are given in the Tanach (Old Testament) in I Kgs 6:1-35, and II Chr. 3:1-17, which is still our best source of information about this ancient (circa 950 BC) structure. Based primarily on these verses, various Jewish, Christian and secular reference works depict the holy house as a rectangular building with a triple-tiered row of cells wrapping around three of its sides: north, south and west, and with the entrance (but no cells), toward the east. See two drawings on this page. It should not be confused with the Second Temple built by King Herod about 20 BC and destroyed by the Romans in AD 70.

Importance of tabnit, the ‘plan’

The key to the Temple’s (or Mishkan’s, i.e, tabernacle’s) secrets is in the (floor) plan and layout of its furnishings. The “plan” or “pattern” (Heb., tabnit) of the structures and their furniture is mentioned I Chr. 28:11, 12,18,19 and Ex. 25:9, 39, 40. Tabnit is also translated as design, structure, figure, form, likeness, and shape. The Mishkan was the precursor of the Temple. Thus, in Dt. 4:16-18 the Israelites are forbidden making any likeness, form, or figure of a human or beast for worship. In Ezk. 8:10 the prophet sees repulsive forms or figures of creeping beasts, however in 8:3 he is lifted up by the form or figure of God’s hand, or an angel’s (see also 10:8). In Ps. 144:12 sons and daughters are compared to choice cut stones giving shape or form to a palace (see the Jewish Publication Society’s Tanakh).

Tabnit generally refers to the form of something. King David received Divine inspiration for the form, i.e., plan or pattern of the Temple. And before him, at Sinai, Moses heard God’s verbal instructions for the form of the Mishkan,Tabnit is related to banah which means to build a structure or house –– or to raise children, since a “house” may also refer to a family. Thus, in Ru. 4:11 Rachel and Leah, the two wives of Jacob (later renamed Israel), are called the “builders” of the House of Israel. This is how tabnit directly and indirectly relates to buildings, ordinary houses, the House of God (i.e., the Temple), and humans –– and their structure, form or figure.

The High Priest as Temple Man

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At left is the Temple Floor Plan from the previous page now trans- formed into a figure of the Levite High Priest. Within the figure are 13 red numbers which are briefly explained below. All are in seq-uence except for nine (9).

1. TREASURE ROOMS, PRIESTS’ CELLS, west side – Gold and silver bullion was kept in the Temple (I Kgs. 7:51 ) possibly in its western cells. These form the High Priest’s turban (Heb., misnepet). The common priest’s cap was more globular, like an inverted cup.

9. PRIESTS’ CELLS, south and north sides – These form the arms. Only one entrance is named (I Kgs. 6:8) but Ezk. 41:11 includes a second.The entrances correspond to the onyx stones the High Priest wore on his left and right shoulders. Each was engraved with the names of six Israelite tribes, twelve names total, Ex. 28:9 -12.

2. TWO LARGE STARS – These are two10-cubit tall cherubs of goldplated olive wood (I Kgs. 6:23), they form Temple Man’s eyes.

3. THE ARK of the Covenant – This was a goldplated chest with a solid gold lid topped by two small cherubs (small stars).The chest is his nose. Its poles were attached to its long sides rather than its short ones. They were drawn forward, I Kgs. 8:8, after the Ark was installed in the Holy of Holies and depict extended nostrils.

4. STAIRWAY – A short staircase led from the Holy Place to a slightly elevated Holy of Holies.The stairway is his neck/throat.

5. INCENSE ALTAR – This small goldplated altar (I Kgs. 6:22) is the heart. Its sweet-smelling smoke depicts prayer and the spiritual life.

6. TABLES OF THE SHOWBREAD – On these goldplated tables (I Kgs. 7:48) were bread and wine, symbolizing flesh and blood, i.e., the humanity of national Israel, the High Priest, and the Messiah.

7. THE LAMPS – These (II Chr. 4:7) provided light while portraying a Tree of Life. Their seven flames each stand for the seven days of Creation Week and also the seventy nations of the world. Light may symbolize divine knowledge and the spirit of God.

8. THE PORCH – This antechamber, the ulam, (I Kgs. 6:3, II Chr. 3:4) corresponds to the human pelvis (hips) and depicts procreation, or more specifically, birthing (parturition), because this is the area of the genital organs.

10, TEN LAVERS – Five bronze lavers were on the north and five on the south near the Porch. These signify the ten fingers of the hands. They were for washing off any residue of blood in the sacrificial meats (I Kgs. 7:38; II Chr. 4:6). They were mounted on wheeled carts and each laver held 40 baths of water.

11. JACHIN, BOAZ – These large bronze pillars by the Porch were named Jachin and Boaz (II Chr.3:17) and are the Temple Man’s legs, Viewed standing, they portray two plants or trees and also the two kings, David and Solomon.

12. SEA OF BRONZE, TWELVE BULLS – This huge laver held 2000 or 3000 baths of water and was for the priests to wash their hands and feet (II Chr. 4:2). The laver depicts the basin of the Red Sea. Water too may depict God’s spirit and knowledge but also conception, and union (devekut) with him. The twelve bulls (v.4) are the twelve tribes of Israel.

13. THE SACRIFICIAL ALTAR – This (II Chr. 4:1) is the Temple Man’s feet, and also a king’s square footstool. The Altar signifies election/separation, war and conquest (victory), atonement for sin, and national Israel’s marriage to the Lord.

Jacob’s Dream and the Temple

Jewish tradition tells us that Jacob (forefather of the twelve tribes) saw the Temple in advance in his dream at Bethel. After seeing angels ascending and descending on a stairway, he says in Genesis 28:17, "This is none other than the house of God ...," and in v. 19 renames the place Beth-El, House of God, which is a frequent biblical designation for the Temple. As shown below, Jacob's raised head corresponds to an elevated Holy of Holies and his ‘pillow stone’ (v. 11) to the Even Shetiyah or "Foundation Stone" where Abraham had earlier bound Isaac (22:9 -11). In other words, as he slept – unbeknownst to him – his head and body prophetically became a model for the Temple which was built atop Mt. Moriah. Today this site is called Haram al-Sharif by the Arabs, and theTemple Mount

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Jacob Builds the Temple?

Why was Jacob given the dream at this time? Because, although he was fleeing the wrath of his brother Esau, he was also on his way to Mesopotamia to find a wife and create a family, i.e., a “house,” as explained before. Isaac practically ordered him to leave and start his own family (Gen. 28: 1, 2), he is told to go multiply and become an “assembly of peoples,” v. 3. His two wives are later called the “builders” of the House of Israel (Ru. 4:11). Jacob, therefore, built a human temple, a house of twelve tribes, and centuries later those twelve, with the aid of the Phoenicians, built Solomon’s stone temple which was called the ‘House of God’. Hence, the dream concerns the building of these two houses.

titurel
23-11-2007, 02:15 PM
It's claimed, by some that the Kaballah and even Freemasonry, is the science that inspired the Bible but this cannot be the case. The Bible is a complex book but imagine it, for the moment, as a taxi with the driver as God in the front seat!

The human being, with its unique consciousness, is priceless but it finds itself in a reality that appears foreign to its nature. It's difficult to imagine that such a priceless consciousness could be placed in a world foreign to its own nature without some form of guidebook to carry it through to its true destiny and its true home (Dorothy, in "The Wizard of Oz", is a metaphor for humanity's journey through this foreign fantasy land that we know as our world... a world ruled by Wizards who follow Oz-iris through the occult Dragon inspired ancient Mystery School teachings). Such a handbook, for guiding humanity through the world of gross matter, is the Bible...

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Above: In Kansas, before being swept up into the serpentine coils of the destructive cyclone that transported Dorothy and dropped her off into the Land of Oz-iris, Dorothy came across a fortune telling gypsy in a caravan. In the reversed consciousness mind play, this same gypsy, in Kansas, turned out to be none other than the Wizard in the land of Oz. In Baum's original story and in the film, the Land of Oz is revealed as a mirror image of Kansas.

In the Garden of Eden, which can be seen as a metaphor based on a layer of reality, God told Eve not to eat from the "fruit" of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Kabbalah is considered to be a Tree that offers insights into hidden Creation but the world it reveals is a only reflection, a mirror image of what lies above, which is the word of God.

For example, if one looks at oneself in a mirror, one can see oneself in many aspects but its not the real you because the reflection one is seeing is back to front and, therefore, only a virtual representation of reality.

So it is with the Kabbalah and this is the reason why God forbade Eve to delve into the magic mirror image of Creation. The mirror image of Creation will lead a human being astray; astray into dark surreal worlds where everything is upside down and back to front; down the rabbit whole, so to speak. Hence, God is portrayed as a liar and the Dragon or Serpent, is portrayed as the hero.

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Down the rabbit hole, morals too are reversed, so that where many things are forbidden by God for good reason, the Kabbalah encourages the idea that man is god and that he can do as he wilt because its all par for the course, "in the course of challenging man to become stronger" but that is a lie and of course, Eve suffered the consequences, for choosing to be taken in by the Serpent, by falling down the rabbit hole.

The fall from the paradise state (the expulsion from Kansas into the land of Oz, in the allegory of L. Frank Baum's, "The 'Wonderful' Wizard of Oz") also explains to romantic lovers why the world we inhabit today appears so upside down and back to front, both morally and politically because the rulers of the world all follow the Dragon/Serpent, and with this Dragon comes the knowledge of the Lucifer Serpent's belief system. This belief system, often dressed up as science and philosophy that the Dragon/Serpent spews from its mouth, is the venom of the Kabbalah and the Babylonian Mystery School of the occult, and the twilight world of the obverse knowledge of Creation.

The Bible, to return to the metaphor I mentioned at the start of this post, is like a luxury taxi, and we don't have to look into its engine, in order for us to be guided comfortably along the path of Creation because the taxi ain't broken.

There's nothing wrong with investigating the Kabbalah to understand why it's at the root of the conspiracy that rules our world, BUT, as soon as one lifts the bonnet on this luxury 'taxi', namely the Bible and God's Creation, and as soon as one takes the concepts found therein as a belief system, then one will be instantly misled because what is perceived there can only be an illusory virtual reality, whereby everything works in reverse. So instead of proceeding forward, in the evolution of life, spiritually and in reality, one will be regressing backwards, whether one accepts that consciously or not, instead of moving forwards, into God's promised future Kingdom, which is where we ought to be aiming for, if we get into the back seat of the 'luxury taxi of life' that is the Bible.

What occurs at the unconscious level was not meant to be subject to the control of the conscious mind. If the conscious mind interferes with something it was not evolved to control - helping or guiding electrical energy through visualization, thoughts, etc., - it can cause a great deal of damage. Its interference with the natural progress of energy can cause schizophrenia, brain damage, and a host of other problems. Taoists call these calamities 'Disintegration into Evil'." source (http://www.nine3.com/DeerMan.html)

It's no accident that the architects of the "new" world order agenda follow the ancient Mystery School teachings of the High Priestess, who is the light of the Kabbalah. But the "new" world order is an illusory dream, a virtual reality paradigm, created and inspired by the Serpent to shepherd humanity into a substitute kingdom to the one promised by God and which is revealed so vividly in the Bible, particularly in the books of Isaiah and Revelation. The Serpent wishes us to be shepherded into its specially prepared "new" world order", the culmination of the Matrix that is already very much all around us; a Matrix which is fundamentally the product of occult ancient Mystery School sorcery, which can be found in so many occult secretive societies, and also behind so many agendas linked to the "new" world order agenda.

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Above: The High Priestess card in the Waite-Colman Smith Tarot's deck

In the Freemason Waite-Colman Smith Tarot deck, designed in the early 1900s, the High Priestess, with the moon on her head, is portrayed sitting between the two pillars of Boaz and Jachin, of Solomon's Temple (God didn't wish Solomon's Temple to be built) holding the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. This is a major piece of evidence that the Kabbalah is inextricably linked to and inseparable from, the Bible.

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Above: The Masonic Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon's official seal. Notice the seal is almost identical to Freemason Waite's High Priestess Tarot card. Interestingly, it's green. In "The Wizard of Oz", everything in the Emerald City, which is a metaphor for the NWO, is also green. Osiris is the Green man of the so-called Mysteries. Image Source (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/grandlodge.html)

The Kabbalah could not exist without the Bible but the high Priestess is the moon goddess who receives her glory from the Sun. From a spiritual perspective, however, the Sun is only a metaphor for God. There are billions of suns in our cosmos but there is only one God and he is far beyond our sun and the physically visible universe.

Therefore, to follow the teachings of the High Priestess, and therefore by default, the teachings of Sophia, Gnosticism, Luciferianism and the Kabbalah, is to follow the teachings of a reflection of God's Light that is upside down and reversed - a green, virtual reality illusion that only appears to be real - all that glitters is not gold.

The High Priestess of the Kabbalah, and by default the queen of the mirror image of the Bible, is a glittering, seductive paramour, who has the ability to seduce even the brightest and most intelligent of men into the false illusions of the twilight zone. Even those who think they are the most genuine in their inquiries can be seduced by her! It is, then, hardly surprising that we find that some of the most celebrated and brainiest figures in the history of humanity, have been seduced into the teachings of the Luciferian path and into the embrace of the Kabbalah and into occult secret societies such as Freemasonry.

chris
23-11-2007, 02:43 PM
I thought I’d write a little bit of symbolism about the philosophers stone and the coronation of the king a while back but since I took about an hour on it and hardly anyone read it, I think it might be better suited in this thread.

Masons has a tradition of alchemy but it is mostly lost. I don’t usually get into symbolism on here because I usually get drowned out by the more paranoia and conjecture oriented symbolism…The symbolism I’m writing about isn’t my own theory, it is their theory, passed down through the alchemists.

The original thread which talks about part of the process to the philosophers stone is here...

http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14258&highlight=antimony

The text above really isn't arcane, back in the day people didn't used to say C02 or other chemical names, they used to call things by their nature, for instance.

The seemingly bigoted phrase 'woman's and childrens work' simply means, it all boils down to the regulation of the fire.

The purple coat is simply the concealed colour in the liquid that reveals itself through the work and wraps around the forming ring of gold, which is you might notice is the exact same symbology of the Royal family. It’s all hermetic, the forming ring of gold in the elixir is symbolised by the crown on their head Royal. A lot of people equate the Crown to be a halo and this is also true but in a glass vessel of transmuting gold, you will see time going by very fast, in 9 months, you will see what takes 90 thousands years of evolution, this brings about symbolism that is true on all levels, the ring, the halo of the tincture at this point is wrapped in a purple coat.

I’m not really interested in coronation ceremonies but they are really a symbolic ritual of the creation of the philosophers stone. I’ve never studied the queens ceremony and it might be debased a bit now but technically…

In the philosophers stone and coronation ceremonies, the purple coat comes about which the head of state wears, also the hidden colour of the mentruum in the elixir, this wraps the king/queen and also the crown of the elixir.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2045/king3ov1.jpg
http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/photography/images/photograph/large/im00027.jpg
http://www.sci-journal.org/reports/vol3no3/method3.gif

British Crown Jewels, purple is the colour of the easlier stages of the menstruum. Also notice the phoenix.
http://www.tomgpalmer.com/images/British%20Crown%20Jewels.jpg


The "faeces" which is spoken about in the above text is the poison in all matter that emerges at the top of the menstruum while the process undergoes heated purification, this sometimes drops to the bottom in the case of the Alkehest but also floats at the top. The idea of alchemy is to take away all it’s poison and then the time is ample to heat it up very genteelly so that the remaining matter will transform into higher substances on all levels.

This is where the metal is killed (or the king) so it can reveal it's spirit...In brewing alchohol, the terms are the same...You kill the grapes and ferment them which reveals their spirit (the alchohol) and it's now a new product...They still call mildly distilled alchohol such as brandy and whisky, spirits. People speak about spirits (as in Brandy) naturally, yet your a crazy alchemist if you talk about the purple coat...This is just a bit of surviving alchemical symbolism which is accepted today by modern science and it's jargon is used in organic chemistry...

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4083/king4ls8.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5750/king1xx5.jpg

In the said text it talks about the phoenix raising from the dead, well after the process of poison extraction, the tincture will bear from the bottom of the retort a cloudy milk like substance which will gather at the top, start swirling around like a storm cloud and then evaporate and be distilled into the collecting jar. A lot of people know the phoenix as the firebird that rejuvenates from the dead bird of the Ibis (thoth, hermes tristmigistus, father of alchemy) and becomes eternal. This is the exact same in the retort, the metal dies, it’s faeces discarded and then it raises from the dead and distils as the next process of the work. This millky substance is known among other things as the phoenix.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7443/phoenixfe0.jpg

Then the king revivifies wearing the red coat and is enlightened, this red liquid is also known as "the light bearer" as it is the hidden light that emerges from the menstruum but only for those who are unafraid to practice this dangerous work. The tincture is omits a light from it now, displaying it’s enlightenment.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5848/king2gy9.jpg

The king is awakened from the dead and worshipped by his subjects…

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8545/king7af4.jpg

Scottish crown Jewels (the red is for the red coat, or the vivified menstruum)
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Mysterious_Ways/Images/The%20Stone%20of%20Destiny%20Scotland%20Crown%20Je wels.jpg

Of course theoretically this should be only for enlightened people in the style of King Arthur that become king, not a lineage of incestral predators playing fancy dress.

synergy777
23-11-2007, 07:03 PM
lydia good stuff, will read through it properly later and post comments.

"... He (Solomon) also built cities which might be counted among the strongest, Hazor and Megiddo, and the third Gezer, which had indeed belonged to the Philistines's; but Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, had made an expedition against it, and besieged it, and taken it by force: and when he had slain all it's inhabitants, he utterly overthrew it, and gave it as a present to his daughter, who married Solomon, for which reason the king rebuilt it, as a city that was naturally strong, and might be useful in wars, and the mutations of affairs that sometimes happen."
- Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews

also the twin pillars = twin towers.

lydia78
23-11-2007, 07:47 PM
"Paracelsus, a Swiss alchemist who died in 1541, is also regarded by some as the real founder of Rosicrucianism."- Encyclopaedia Britannica

"Paracelsus, the Swiss Hermes, was initiated into the secrets of alchemy in Constantinople and there beheld the consummation of the magnum opus. He is consequently entitled to be mentioned among those initiated by the Arabians into the Rosicrucian work. Cagliostro was also initiated by the Arabians and, because of the knowledge he had thus secured, incurred the displeasure of the Holy See. From the unprobed depths of Arabian Rosicrucianism also issued the illustrious Comte de St.-Germain, over whose Masonic activities to this day hangs the veil of impenetrable mystery. The exalted body of initiates whom he represented, as well as the mission he came to accomplish, have both been concealed from the members of the Craft at large and are apparent only to those few discerning Masons who sense the supernal philosophic destiny of their Fraternity."
- Manly P. Hall, Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins p. 405

Included amongst the books [inside Rosenkreuz's tomb] was "a copy of the Vocabularium of Paracelsus, by the renowned Swiss physician and alchemist." Paracelsus, "whose real name was Theophrastus Bombast von Hohenheim, was not even born until 1493, nearly a decade after Christian Rosenkreutz is said to have been buried."
- Ancient Wisdom and Secret Sects

Like Hermes himself, the "Thrice-Greatest", who is the key figure and the Leitmotiv of this book, the structure of the text is threefold. Part I, "The Hermetic Philosophy", is a broad survey of the Hermetic current and its transmission from Hellenistic Alexandria down to the time of Paracelsus, examining inter alia its role in alchemy, its links with the Sabians of Harran, and various of its avatars such as the astonishing fifteenth-century Hermetist Ludovico Lazzarelli and his even more astonishing mentor Giovanni Mercurio da Corregio who, on Palm Sunday 1484, entered Rome on a white ass wearing a crown of thorns and proclaiming himself as the "angel of Wisdom, Poimandres, in the most sublime manifestation of the Lord Jesus Christ" (Churton, 44). Lazarelli and Corregio, once considered minor footnotes in Renaissance history, have been shown, notably by Wouter Hanegraaff and now by Churton, to be figures of considerable interest and importance. While there is little original material here, Churton brings a fresh eye to the Hermetic tradition and gives some interesting insight into why and how it remained a catalyst within western thought down to the present day. "The Hermetic tradition," Churton writes "was both moderate and flexible, offering a tolerant philosophical religion, a religion of the (ominpresent) mind, a purified perception of God, the cosmos, and the self, and much positive encouragement for the spiritual seeker, all of which the student could take anywhere." (5) It is easy to see how such a combination could appeal to the medieval alchemist, the Renaissance magician, the seventeenth-century Freemason and indeed the twenty-first-century New Ager. In a fascinating sub-chapter on Paracelsus, Churton describes how Hermes or Mercury became, in the eyes of the great German alchemist, "a metaphysical principle without which nature could not be sustained" (66).

The Rosicrucian manifesto created quite a stir in European circles. Although many applied for initiation there are no records of the brotherhood having survived long. By 1623 the German Rosicrucian movement was crushed under the weight of the Counter-Reformation led by the Jesuits. The occult Renaissance had come to an end. The tide of witch-hunts had begun.

Alchemy
The name 'alchemy' is derived from the Arabic el-kimya, Khem being the name for Egypt where it was practised even before the Christian era. It blended with the magic and mysticism of the legendary Greek Hermes Trismegistos which became known as the Hermetic philosophy.

In the fourth century A.D. alchemy evolved to its historical form. Its tradition reached Europe through Muslim alchemists in Spain in the twelfth century.

Mediaeval Alchemy contained Gnostic elements. In its popularized form it is considered the art of mutation of metals. Yet, it went deeper than that. It issued from the assumption that matter is alive and may grow. With the right rituals matter could be influenced to transmute into higher forms.

Under the cover of semi-scientific experiments its practitioners followed a secret tradition. Thus, in its mystical sense alchemy was not a search for the philosophers stone, the transmutation of metals into gold. Its deeper aspect was the search for purification of the soul, the mystical transmutation of the mind necessary for obtaining direct divine knowledge.

There were genuine and false alchemists in medieval times. Amongst them were noblemen and common people, clergymen and laymen, Jews and Christians, scientists and simple artisans, philosophers and illiterates, doctors and magiciens, in short from all classes of society. They wandered through Europe from one place to another. They felt themselves cosmopolitans and as such held close relationships with one another. They had their secret societies, with signs and passwords. It was an oral tradition principally, from ear to ear - mouth to mouth. All that was written down was disguised in order to give the impression that it concerned chemical experiments only.

In spite of their being persecuted more and more they kept practising their art secretly. Nevertheless their ideas had an indirect influence on society.

Paracelsus
One of the leading exponents of alchemy became the Swiss Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim, called Paracelsus (1493-1541). Isaac Newton, at the risk of ending his life at the stake, conducted the greater part of his life alchemical experiments.


Check out the NWO 'The Global Oneness Commitment, co-creating a happy world link lol!!
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/New_Age_Spirituality/id/22250

http://www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Rosacrucism/rosicrucian_manifestoes.htm

http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeV/Reviews/GoldenBuilders.htm

lydia78
23-11-2007, 07:50 PM
Great Info Chris and Titurel, food for thought! Alchemy and Alice, an interesting combo!!

lydia78
23-11-2007, 08:04 PM
http://www.crystalinks.com/rosicrucian.html

1341

1342The alchemy in the laboratory (the ancestor of modern chemistry), where the ultimate goal was understanding of the laws of Nature in order to aid the individual's quest for perfection, recalls another type of alchemy, the one called spiritual. The true alchemists, or philosophers of the fire, often make reference in their works to the blowers, meaning all those who were just interested the creation of gold and the material aspects of alchemy.

In his laboratory, the alchemist works on the materia prima and surrounds himself, among other tools to accomplish the operations, of a furnace with a peculiar form, called athanor.

In the point of view of the Spiritual Alchemy, the materia prima is the human soul, and about the athanor, it is constituted by the physical body and the subtle bodies. These last ones maintain the life of the most dense one and assure the connection with the soul.

The laboratory is the human existence during which the soul has the possibility of accomplishing the learning needed to perfect itself, operating the transmutation of the vices and defects of the vil metal into spiritual, that is, into related virtues and qualities.

The first Rosicrucians practiced the operative alchemy, in vogue at that epoch, of interest even to the higher ranks of popes and kings.

The Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz is a major written work which clearly makes reference, through its title, to this work on the matter, in the laboratory.

1343

Current-day Rosicrucians (like modern Freemasons, who do not construct cathedrals anymore) direct their concentration toward the work of spiritual alchemy.

According to the early Manifestoes, the Rosicrucians were a "secret" Order. Their members believed or could "demonstrate" healing powers that were believed to be a gift from God: Spiritual Healing.

In other Orders these powers were explained by Egyptian mysteries and again, differently in the Hermetic Order. [Hermes]

Members were admitted on this basis alone and the "membership" was very selective. The writers, philosophers and people of the time became curious and infuriated because they were denied entrance into these secret meetings. Most of the writings of the time are biased or speculative for this reason. Many modern Rosicrucian organizations hold the belief that these God given powers may be used to help others.

Some interpretations are described as being Rosicrucian. They are used as an idea or icon by persons or groups either Gnostic Christian or simultaneously Christian and trans-Christian. An example would be a cult that centers around the Virgin Mary yet openly or secretly identifies her to the Virgo constellation of the Zodiac.

A large majority of modern Rosicrucians believe in the study of Spiritual Astrology as a key to the Spirit, designed toward spiritual development and self-knowledge, as well as an aid to healing through Astro-Diagnosis.

A way through which the alchemical work on the "Path of Initiation" has been expressed to the world, according to occultists as Corinne Heline (1882-1975), is through some of the great compositions of classical music. To wit, the nine symphonies of Beethoven (1770-1827) were divided into two groups.

The first, the third, the fifth, and the seventh are vigorous, powerful and of command, representing the intellect. The second, the fourth, the sixth and the eighth are elegant, ternurent, gracious and beautiful, representing the heart (intuition).

They culminate in the symphony with human voices, the ninth symphony, in which the equilibrium between mind and heart or the "Chymical Wedding" ritual, where the Christ Within * the Adept * is born ("consumatun est"). Johan Herde speaks of Beethoven as "... God acts on earth through evolved men..." and Beethoven speaks of himself as "... I do not have friends, that is why I must live alone, but I know from the deepest of my heart, that God is closer to me than to others. I come close to Him without fear, because I have always known Him...".

Occultists also point out that many of the works of William Shakespeare (1564-1616), such as the music-dramas of Wagner, Goethe's Faust, Dante's Divine Comedy or Camoens's epic Lusiads, and a few other books of comparable rank, are designed for esoteric as well as exoteric reading. In Shakespeare's works, specific signatures, cryptically conveyed, also are presented.

In Love's Labour's Lost a whole scene is devoted to revealing, in an ingenious way to those possessing the keys, the Rosicrucian connection. The scene closes with a remark addressed to Goodman Dull, a representative of the unperceiving multitude, that during the entire scene he has not spoken a word. "No," comes his response, "nor understood none neither."

cruise4
24-11-2007, 05:00 AM
This has taken me straight into the areas of Knights Templar, Building of Cathedrals, Ley Lines and Rosslyn Chapel. Scotland keeps cropping up.

If Christ hadn't appeared at the time he did, assuming he did, is there anything at that time in history that suggests a completely different path by humanity may have occurred? Obviously this has religious connotations that could be pointed out, but I don't mean of a religious nature, maybe world politic? Technology?

tinmenace
24-11-2007, 03:08 PM
So much information to get through. Thanks for your hard work on this, Lydia!

lydia78
26-11-2007, 08:11 PM
Hey Tin, great to see you back!!

"In the ritual of exaltation, the name of the great Architect of the Universe is revealed as JAH-BUL-ON....Each syllable of the 'ineffable name' represents one personality of this Trinity:
JAH = Jahweh, the God of the Hebrews

BUL = Ba'al, the ancient Canaanite fertility god associated with 'licentious rites of imitative magic'

ON = Osiris, the Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld"


2. [B]BAAL or [U]BEL. This word signifies a lord, master, or possessor, and hence it was applied by many of the nations of the East to denote the Lord of all things, and the Master of the world.


Adam's first wife seem to relate to the Sumero-Babylonian Goddess Belit-ili, or Belili. To the Canaanites, Lilith was Baal-at, the "Divine Lady." On a tablet from Ur, ca. 2000 BCE, she was addressed as Lillake.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/lilith.html

Is this the same Baal or Bel in the Jah-bul-on? Does anyone know if this could be the link to the supression of the feminine?

i_am
26-11-2007, 09:44 PM
Great thread Lydia. I certainly have some reading to do when I get some spare time.

So it doesn't get lost in the General chitter chatter, I have moved it to Secret Societies and stuck it.

megafish33
26-11-2007, 10:15 PM
At one time I was interested in joining the brotherhood and one book that really brought it to life(for me) was Turning the Hiram Key by Robert Lomas... really fascinating; I can recommend it. Some cool stuff I got out of it were topics on meme units, the Alexander Technique, 'manhood' initiations that are generally lacking in our modern high tech Western culture/a rite in New Guinea, a lozenge shape on a wall in the Blombos Cave, estimated to be 70,000(!) years old, and Solstice work. The first few chapters are slow and essentially ritual from Robert's lodge.

lydia78
26-11-2007, 11:26 PM
At one time I was interested in joining the brotherhood and one book that really brought it to life(for me) was Turning the Hiram Key by Robert Lomas... really fascinating; I can recommend it. Some cool stuff I got out of it were topics on meme units, the Alexander Technique, 'manhood' initiations that are generally lacking in our modern high tech Western culture/a rite in New Guinea, a lozenge shape on a wall in the Blombos Cave, estimated to be 70,000(!) years old, and Solstice work. The first few chapters are slow and essentially ritual from Robert's lodge.

Turning the hiram key, printed by lewis masonic publishing,basically is a book written by masons for masons, the book was over seen by martin faulk whose the 21 century poster boy for the masons. 'Turning the templar key' is also a good read, but full of half truths and the real info will never be revealed through anything they put out publicly. However..still worth a read...:D;)

strider
27-11-2007, 09:52 AM
Well I found this link if you're interested.. There's hundreds of articles there...

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

lydia78
27-11-2007, 10:08 AM
Great thread Lydia. I certainly have some reading to do when I get some spare time.

So it doesn't get lost in the General chitter chatter, I have moved it to Secret Societies and stuck it.

Thank you I_am :) That was very kind of you!!:)

lydia78
27-11-2007, 10:21 AM
Well I found this link if you're interested.. There's hundreds of articles there...

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/

cool strider, cheers man...loads of sites there!!
specially liked this:

1357

the after affects of their all seeing eye when we're done with them LOL:D

strider
27-11-2007, 11:18 AM
cool strider, cheers man...loads of sites there!!
specially liked this:

1357

the after affects of their all seeing eye when we're done with them LOL:D

Heheh yeah, that's pretty amusing...

I've looked at loads of things on there and I haven't even scratched the surace.. If I find something worth posting I'll copy it over ;)

lydia78
08-12-2007, 11:36 AM
Hey Tin, great to see you back!!




Adam's first wife seem to relate to the Sumero-Babylonian Goddess Belit-ili, or Belili. To the Canaanites, Lilith was Baal-at, the "Divine Lady." On a tablet from Ur, ca. 2000 BCE, she was addressed as Lillake.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/lilith.html

Is this the same Baal or Bel in the Jah-bul-on? Does anyone know if this could be the link to the supression of the feminine?


still researching this area, does anyone have any info on it??:)

urza
30-12-2007, 09:26 PM
Tinmenace a lot of great info here , People have no clue of the demonic connections this cult has, The Catholic church is the number one enemy to freemasons...

Affiliation With Masonic or Similar Societies. Those who join a Masonic sect or other societies of the same sort, which plot against the Church or against legitimate civil authority, incur ipso facto an excommunication simply reserved to the Holy See. (c. 2335).

About myself, a Soldiers Of Mercy (http://www.soldiersofmercy.com)
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Here Some interesting info on the inner workings of the global cabal... Lisen to the MP3's a must!

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/images/John_Todd.JPG
During the early 1970s, John Todd was one of a handful of speakers making the rounds in evangelical Christian circles warning young people against the occult., Todd was a Satanic high priest his allegations that Satanists were taking over America. In 1973 he has been under attack for years ... Ther are many site on web mostly Wikipedia trying to discredit him but listen to his audio recordings from the 70s!!!! that ties all todays events together...

John Todd's testimonial of his experience in witchcraft and of the Illuminati
John Todd

ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I GET STARTED, it never seems to fail that when I'm done a few of my brothers and sisters in the Lord have fear in their hearts. There is no reason to have fear in your heart. It seems like every time we talk about the Enemy, Christians become afraid rather than stirred up and fighting mad! So I just ask that if you have this fear in your hearts when this is over, that you just simply get in your prayer chamber or up front or someplace alone with the Lord and discuss the matter with Him.
THERE IS NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEVIL; HE WAS DEFEATED 2,000 YEARS AGO! And that's why I'm here; he was defeated 2,000 years ago! I think the thing that made me the most mad when I got saved was that I'd served somebody since I was a child, for over 20 years, that was defeated over 2,000 years ago! And I guess the only reason why I served him was that I didn't realize who he was until I got saved, it took that enlightenment.

AS BROTHER BERRY PREACHED THIS MORNING ON THE DEVIL BLINDING GOD'S PEOPLE'S EYES and THE WORLD'S EYES, take it for a fact, he can do it! For some 20 years I served him as a priest and as a high priest, and later as a Grand Druid and had many thousands of people serving him under me, and never once did I even realize who I was serving.

THERE WERE MANY THINGS THAT I LEARNED IN WITCHCRAFT, I'm not going to tell you what they were, but there were many things that I learned and many things that I taught as a standard teaching in Witchcraft. As you go through apprenticeship or as you go through what we call the "Outer Court," you are told to do things and you don't ask why you do them. If you do ask why do them, they tell you that you're being naughty and that you shouldn't ask, mainly because they don't know!

I NEVER DID KNOW WHY I WAS DOING THE THINGS I WAS DOING OR WHY I WAS TEACHING THE THINGS I WAS TEACHING. They worked, so we did them. After I got saved, it took salvation for me to find out why they worked. And I guess after knowing that, there is no way you can go back to what you came out of. Very quickly tonight--well, I can't be really quickly, but I'll try--I want to give my testimony, and then I want to turn it over for questions and answers.

I'VE LEARNED THE HARD WAY, AFTER FIVE YEARS, and IT'S NORMAL FOR ME TO SAY THE THINGS THAT I SAY, but it's astounding for you to listen to them. And I realize that when the meetings are over that many things I say are strange to Christians. Most of you grew up in Christian homes, or even if you were in the World, you were not very close to what I was into, so when I say things, to me they are everyday things.

I GUESS THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SUCH A SUCCESSFUL MINISTRY WITH THE PEOPLE IN DRUGS and THE PEOPLE IN THE OCCULT, because they tried to tell Christians for years the things they'd been into and the things they've experienced, and they look at them like they're crazy. Then I come along and I say, "Oh! Oh, sure I'll listen to you, I've been there!" I know the same things, and I'll sit there and I'll listen and they find it very outstanding that I believe in them, because I've experienced them too.

SO I DON'T GASP AT SOMEBODY WHEN THEY TELL ME THEY'VE SEEN DEMONS or floated things through the air or received answers on Ouija boards or made people do their own will by spells, because I was there and I know it's so, but at the same time I know how weak it is compared to what I have now.

WE WENT TO ST. PAUL WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THEIR CONVENTION THIS YEAR, which they called off. They're having it right now in Washington, D.C., this is the last night of it, and it was in all the front pages of the newspapers down there. Christians throughout the United States say, "You don't really expect us to believe that witches are that organized!"--No, they've just got Senators and Congressmen and top witches down there all in one convention, they're not organized, not at all!

BUT ANYWAY, WE WERE THERE, and MANY WITCHES CAME UP TO ME and ASKED ME WHY I WOULD BECOME A CHRISTIAN. See, witches have the opinion that Christians are either the most evil thing that ever lived or they're the most foolish people that ever lived. They wanted to know why I would become a Christian. I said, "Because I'm more powerful now than I was when I was a witch!"--That's not the real reason, but I said it in words they would understand. And they couldn't grasp that. I know how they feel.

WHEN I WAS IN WITCHCRAFT I NEVER CONSIDERED CHRISTIANITY UNTIL THE NIGHT I GOT SAVED. I never once considered it was an answer, I never considered that Jesus was an answer and thought that the things in the Christian church were foolish, at the least, and dangerous at the most--and I guess they are dangerous to Witchcraft. But to explain what I'm talking about very quickly:

I COME FROM A FAMILY CALLED THE COLLINS. Some of them on this side of the Atlantic Ocean from England have changed their name to Todd back prior to the Civil War. That's not to say that all Collins are Todds or the family that I came from, but this family brought Witchcraft to the United States.

I WAS IN PHILADELPHIA THE OTHER NIGHT and I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT, but after I left there the newspaper decided that their greatest campaign would be against me, and many things I said in my testimony they said they checked out and weren't so. It's funny, we checked them out and they still were so!--Like many things that I'll mention tonight.

WE EVEN WENT AS FAR AS TO SAY THAT WITCHCRAFT STARTED OUTSIDE OF SALEM, MASSACHUSETTS, and EVEN NAMED THE BAY THAT THE WITCHES LANDED AT that they named after the head witch, my ancestor, Frances Collins, and the newspaper said that place didn't exist. It exists. We looked at the map and it was still there! We don't quite understand quite what they were up to, but I guess they confused enough people to disregard it. We were wondering when people were going to get around to this, but anyway, I came from the Collins Family.

LET ME QUICKLY REMIND YOU, NO WITCHES WERE EXECUTED IN SALEM. There will be a book coming out shortly on this from Chick Publications. Except for one prostitute, everybody executed in Salem were Christians, and they were tried and convicted by a jury and by a pastor who was not a pastor but a slave trader hired by the Collins. The church was built by the Collins and the jury were all members of the Collins' church. Needles to say, they weren't Christians, they were Witches. We went back there and researched it!

BUT TO GO ON QUICKLY SO I DON'T CONFUSE YOU TOO MUCH ... OF COURSE I'VE ALREADY DESTROYED YOUR HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY LESSON, I have a habit of doing that. I'll destroy more than that before the night's over! But when I was a youngster I started practising Witchcraft. I cast my first spell when I was eight, and I started studying for the Priesthood when I was 13. I was asked to join the Outer Court of the coven there in Columbus, Ohio, where I grew up, and at 14 I was initiated.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THIS BEFORE I GO ON, WHEN THE SERVICE IS OVER I WOULD BE GLAD TO TALK WITH ANY MASONS PRESENT, and I will compare my initiation to Witchcraft word for word, action for action, with yours. They are identical without change, and I'll be glad to discuss the matter with you.

AFTER THAT AT 18 I WAS INITIATED A HIGH PRIEST. This made me the ruling pastor, more or less. You see in Witchcraft, church is a little different, only the ministers meet, and they meet once a month. The congregation doesn't even know who is in it. They only go to their particular priest and ask for a favor, they never come together. But at 18 I was made the High Priest.

THAT MADE ME DRAFT-EXEMPT FROM THE U.S. ARMY OR FROM THE U.S. MILITARY SERVICE, because all of the denominations or Brotherhoods of Witchcraft are Federally recognized tax deductible churches and therefore their ministers do not have to serve! I stayed 4-D status, but a lot of us at that time thought it was important to get Witchcraft started at the different military bases, so we enlisted anyway, and that was in 1968.

WHEN I WAS DISCHARGED IN 1970 THERE WAS A COVEN IN EVERY MILITARY BASE IN THE UNITED STATES and EUROPE IN ALL FOUR BRANCHES OF THE SERVICE! So it grows very quickly. But I served Vietnam, flew back and re-enlisted for six years and served 30 days of my six-year term, went to Germany for that time. And up until this time I thought Witchcraft was just like being a Baptist or being a Catholic, it was a religion. I didn't realize there was anything to it except Witchcraft, and this is where most Witches are at. In fact at this time I believed in a godhead system of gods and goddesses and believed in it very devoutly, I'd been raised in it all my life. I believed in the psychic powers and that's all I believed in.

SO WHILE I WAS IN GERMANY ONE NIGHT, AFTER TAKING SOME DRUGS and DOING A LOT OF DRINKING, I GOT IN A SHOOT-OUT in the middle of downtown Stuttgart with an officer, and the officer got killed. Now the Army has a strict no-no about shooting officers, they don't like it, so they placed me in solitary confinement, and there I am, waiting for Leavenworth more or less.

WE'D ALREADY OFFERED A PLEA TO THE JUDGE THAT WE WOULD PLEAD GUILTY IF HE WOULD GIVE ME 30 YEARS and CALL IT QUITS, and he tore it up and laughed at us. So I was pretty sure what was in for me, and I just sat there. And eventually through a riot that had happened at the stockade just a few days prior and a man being placed in solitary confinement with me and then released from the stockade, I got word back to the U.S. by phone of the predicament I was in.

I HAD BEEN IN GERMANY SUCH A LITTLE TIME THAT I HADN'T HAD TIME TO START A COVEN IN STUTTGART, and I had no way of getting the word out. So the man placed a phone call to Los Angeles, collect, to my foster mother and told the predicament I was in. I had told him to tell her to cast a spell on the jury so they'd think I was a real nice person, and that's all I thought they would do. I'd seen spells like this work many times--I've seen them work recently many times in courts--but I was not expecting what took place!

ABOUT THREE DAYS AFTER THE MAN MADE THE PHONE CALL, MY CELL DOOR OPENED and THERE STOOD A SENATOR and A U.S. CONGRESSMAN, a couple of Generals and an Honorable Discharge. The Honorable Discharge gave no reason as to why I was being discharged; I just had an Honorable Discharge like I'd served all my time. I had all my time and rank and grade, even my top-secret security clearance.

I WAS TOLD THAT MY COURT-MARTIAL RECORDS HAD BEEN DESTROYED and that my military file would be placed with a top-secret security clerk so nobody could get into it, and that was the end of it. The Senator and the Congressman left, I went to Ft. Dix and drew the rest of my papers and stuff, and headed for Columbus, Ohio, scratching my head the whole time wondering what type of spell was so good that it had Senators and Congressmen doing its bidding!

I STILL DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON, SO I ARRIVED IN OHIO and I AGAIN BEGAN ASKING QUESTIONS THE DAY I ARRIVED THERE. I was told they had been expecting me and here was an envelope with a one-way first-class ticket to Kennedy Airport in New York City, $2,000 for spending money, and I was to get on the next flight and they would make a phone call and tell them I was coming. That was fine except I wanted to know who "them" were. They said I would find out when I arrived, so I got on the plane, took off, landed at the airport and sure enough, somebody was waiting to meet me.

--A PERSON WHOSE BOOKS I HAD READ and WHO I HAD THOUGHT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST WIZARDS, MALE WITCHES, THAT HAD EVER LIVED, and I felt very privileged that I could be staying with him learning more about Witchcraft from him. Now I gave his name--which I'm going to give a minute--in Philadelphia last Sunday night. I even gave his job at the time that I was staying with him, except the newspapers called the university that he was supposed to be working for and the university denied he'd ever been there.

IT'S FUNNY, I EVEN SAT IN HIS CLASSES AT THE UNIVERSITY. They have a way of covering things up. He has his own college now for Witches, and his name is Dr. Raymond Buckland, and at that time he was head of the Anthropology Department at Columbia University, although Columbia University likes to say that he never existed now.

BUT I LEARNED WITH HIM FOR AWHILE, LEARNED A LITTLE MORE IN MARYLAND, WENT TO CALIFORNIA and STUDIED SOME MORE. During this process I began to learn what most Witches don't know, and that is that the gods they've been worshipping don't exist, that they're imitated by what we call "familiar spirits" or spirit guides, demons--witches don't call them demons, they like to call them spirit guides--and that there is only one god and his name is Lucifer.

NOW THIS WAS A SHOCKING THING TO ME SINCE I WAS RAISED TO BELIEVE THAT THE DEVIL DIDN'T EXIST. You see witches aren't Satanists, they don't believe in Satan, and I was quickly explained to that Lucifer was a good god and not an evil god, and that Jesus was the imitator. So I learned, and I learned many things, both of Witchcraft, and I also learned why the Senators and Politicians were there!

THEY WERE THERE BECAUSE WE WERE THE RELIGION OF A POLITICAL ORGANIZATION CALLED THE ILLUMINATI, and I was told all about the Illuminati and its history. I was schooled in the things that it had done, and the things that it was going to do, and the things that I was going to do. And before I go on, I want to show you a few things that will help explain. (Charts:)

THIS THING YOU SEE UP HERE IS ON THE BACK OF YOUR ONE-DOLLAR BILL, and WHAT IT IS IS THE SEAL OF THE ILLUMINATI. America tells us it's the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States, the only problem is that the United States has never sealed one document with it, ever, and never intends to! It was in existence before the United States was in existence, and I invite you, if you know your Latin, to look at your one-dollar bills later, and down at the bottom you will see some Latin.

IT SAYS: "THIS NEW ORDER THAT BEGAN 1776"--THAT MEANS NOT THE 4th OF JULY, BUT MAY 1st, 1776, THE CREATION DAY OF THE ILLUMINATI. It consists of three pyramids in a sphinx, which I'll go through very quickly. We've put a few blocks up here, but there are hundreds of blocks in each pyramid. This is the political organisation. This is the middle pyramid. This is some of the political and police organisations that they use, and we've put up ones that mainly concern the United States.

ON THE TOP OF EACH PYRAMID YOU WILL SEE A CAPSTONE WITH AN EYE IN IT. The capstone is the Rothschild Family or Tribunal that rules the Illuminati, they were the creators of it. The eye is Lucifer, their god and their voice. The first 3 top blocks are on every pyramid. (See above photo.)

THE TOP BLOCK IS WHAT I WAS INITIATED INTO, THE COUNCIL OF 13 CALLED THE GRAND DRUID COUNCIL. They only take orders from the Rothschilds and nobody else. They're their private priesthood. The Council of 33 is directly under them, that is the 33 highest Masons in the World. The Council of 500, some of the richest people in the World--there are 500, actually, some of the richest people and conglomerates in the World--it's their real power as I'll show you in a minute.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE MUCH OF THE WRITING ON THIS, BUT THIS IS THE ORGANISATION OF WITCHCRAFT. The Golden Dawn is the 4th block up there, and it's the Rothschild's private coven. The Aquarian Arts Festival is the organization that ties all of the Occult Brotherhoods together in St. Paul, The Witches Church of America I was a member of. The Church of All Worlds is located in St. Louis. These are denominations like Northern Baptist, Southern Baptists, Independent Baptists, etc.

THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES, THE SATANIC BROTHERHOOD OF AMERICA, SCIENTOLOGY, UNITY, is the main platform for Witches to be speakers at towards what they consider to be Christian people. The Church of Wicca is another denomination; it's in Greenfield, North Carolina.

THE AQUARIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS FORMED BY ONE OF THE GRAND DRUIDS, ISAAC BONOVITZ, and the American Civil Liberties Union. Its purpose is to pass laws and to sue Christian churches in Federal court for defaming Witches and the Occult, and they have been winning millions of dollars in the Federal courts.

THE GARNARIAN BROTHERHOOD IS THE TRADITIONAL WITCHCRAFT IN ENGLAND. The Order of the Rose Cross--another word for it is Rosicrucians--they are a sacrifice order. And the Holy Order of the Garter is another traditional English Witchcraft group. (Points:)


Jack chick (Chick Publications) to this day still stands by John Todd and his story. Recently the church has recovered and release John military record noting his time in Germany as fact.

Transcript of 1977 John Todd speech

Part 1
http://www.textfiles.com/occult/jtc1.txt

Audio file http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt/Todd_1a.mp3


Part 2
http://www.textfiles.com/occult/jtc2.txt


Audio file http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jtTodd_2a.mp3

Part 3
http://www.textfiles.com/occult/jtc3.txt


Audio file http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt/Todd_2b.mp3

Part 4
http://www.textfiles.com/occult/jtc4.txt


Audio file http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt/Todd_1a.mp3

Part 5
http://www.textfiles.com/occult/jtc5.txt


Audio file http://www.deeptruths.com/reduced_jt/Todd_1a.mp3


A info link is here with all the Mp3 here http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/john_todd_and_the_illuminati.htm

urza
30-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Freemasonry and Satanic Ritual Abuse
http://www.soldiersofmercy.com/rab.html

chicken
19-01-2008, 08:05 PM
There is one "Catholic" freemason group actually connected directly to the IRA. They are called "The Ancient Order of Hibernia"

chicken

eternal_spirit
19-01-2008, 08:16 PM
There is one "Catholic" freemason group actually connected directly to the IRA. They are called "The Ancient Order of Hibernia"

chicken

...............

Am I right in thinking that most others are say Protestant or other? Because Jacques De Molay was head of the Knights Templar and he was burnt at the stake by the King of France who happened to be Catholic I think, the Templars where accused and some admitted to sacraficing humans among other things to one of their God's Baphomet, as the story goes .

So the Masons have an old score to settle with some Christians, that's one reason why there are so many satanic and other anti-christ groups around, and maybe why the Jesuits infiltrated the Vatican and other Churches. Ierland is strongly influenced by Masonry.

chicken
20-01-2008, 02:07 PM
So the Masons have an old score to settle with some Christians, that's one reason why there are so many satanic and other anti-christ groups around, and maybe why the Jesuits infiltrated the Vatican and other Churches. Ierland is strongly influenced by Masonry.

No I did not know that - but I do now. I had my suspicions. I lived in the Irish quarter very close to where the 7/7 bombers boarded the train to London. I had heard rumours that the area was IRA territory.

I live in an area that has connections with buildings and the Knights Templar. We also have a local rosicrucian order - something related to the anglia group. I tell you I am in an area that is so satanic. I have 40 lodges?

I also lived in Cornwall - not far from the Witches Museum as well

I also once found a newspaper article that cause stalkers were stalking the local police in Ireland.

The way I look at it is this. My stalking refers back to 91 - my father was a mason - he did some bad stuff to the local masons /mafia groups. This is the pay back - he fell out with people a lot. So I help him in his moment of need. I get hit........

But I do believe now that it goes back even further - he was a marked man - therefore his family were marked. I believe that my brothers have had some interesting stuff happen to them also. I have heard that it is about bloodline - and it can take four generations to clear a debt.

Has anyone else heard this at all? This is not sounding too good is it?

chicken

dann
23-01-2008, 02:18 AM
There are lots of Freemason lodges here in Australia I've noticed. Quite abundant...lots seem to be un-used though.....mainly hired out to people who need the space. I would have liked to go there and start asking awkward questions :)
Yeah right and end up in a grave in the out back!!

meridiansun
21-03-2008, 09:44 AM
There is one "Catholic" freemason group actually connected directly to the IRA. They are called "The Ancient Order of Hibernia"

chicken
The AOH are a fraternity. That does not mean that they are a freemason group.

In historical context, the Order may have emerged in America as a Catholic response to Freemasonry, which the Papacy forbade Catholics from joining.

geeve420
03-04-2008, 02:19 PM
Masons are not against any religion. I know at least 8 Catholics in my lodge. Religious preference plays no role in freemasonry at all. All that is required is a beleife in a supreme being, meaning something bigger than you or me. A Buhdist, a Hindu, Christian, Catholic, Wiccan, it really doesn't matter. We are not out to destroy the Catholic Church, That's just ignorant!

Thanks

Geeve

eternal_spirit
04-04-2008, 01:10 PM
THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES
On the U.S. dollar bill is displayed the Great Seal of the United States (http://asis.com/%7Estag/seal.html), which contains important symbols of Judeo-Freemasonry: the All-Seeing Eye, the Great Pyramid, the Six-Pointed Star, the Eagle, the phrases Annuit Coeptis and Novus Ordo Seclorum, and the motto E Pluribus Unum. Altogether, the Judeo-Masonic symbolism on the dollar bill reveals in a code the true origins and destiny of the United States.

http://watch.pair.com/eye.jpg
http://watch.pair.com/eagle.jpg

Manley P. Hall wrote in The Secret Teachings of All Ages that the United States was dedicated to fulfillment of the Judeo-Masonic (Zionist) agenda from the day of its inception:
"The Great Seal is the signature of this exalted body [a secret body existing in Europe] - unseen and for the most part unknown - and the unfinished pyramid upon its reverse side is a trestle board setting forth the task to the accomplishment of which the United States Government was dedicated from the day of its inception." (19) A British Israel website, Straight Talk (http://asis.com/%7Estag/symbols.html), explains the hidden Zionist symbols of the Obverse and Reverse sides of the Great Seal:
"E. Raymond Capt, in his booklet, 'Our Great Seal says: The Great Seal given to our country, after years of laborious heraldic and symbolic study, reveals our true national origin and destiny. The Obverse face is Israel in the Old Testament; The Reverse face is our race under the New Covenant. Each face is a masterly harmony of all that is potent in symbolism and prophecy. It was originated and adopted by men who recognized the overshadowing presence of the Great Architect of the Universe and submission to His will as revealed in the Scriptures and the Laws of Nature. They planned a government in conformity to His great Plan. They recognized that America's greatest task was to go toward the goal of the Plan -- the eventual establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth." In Judeo-Masonic numerology, the number 13 has enormous significance. For this reason, the many symbols in the Great Seal were composed of 13 units, as described by Manley P. Hall, founder of the Philosophical Research Society (http://www.prs.org/gallery-mason.htm):
"The significance of the mystical number 13, which frequently appears upon the Great Seal of the United States, is not limited to the number of the original colonies. The sacred emblem of the ancient initiates, here composed of 13 stars, also appears above the head of the 'eagle.' The motto, E Pluribus Unum, contains 13 letters, as does also the inscription, Annuit Coeptis. The 'eagle' clutches in its right talon a branch bearing 13 leaves and 13 berries and in its left a sheaf of 13 arrows. The face of the pyramid, exclusive of the panel containing the date, consists of 72 stones arranged in 13 rows. MPH" The British-Israel Straight Talk (http://www.asis.com/%7Estag/seal.html), explains that the number 13 refers to Jacob's (Israel's) blessing upon his sons in Genesis 49. The 12 Tribes of Israel became 13 when Joseph's inheritance was divided between his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh: "It must be remembered the Manasseh is the thirteenth tribe. Ephraim moved into Joseph's place and Manasseh was added to the twelve." "...Most of the symbols used by the tribes of Jacob's descendents are derived from the blessings and prophecies that were given to his sons in Genesis 49... Although Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh are not listed, we know from other sources that Ephraim and Manasseh each had two symbols. Ephraim used the Ox primarily and the Unicorn was his secondary symbol. Manasseh's primary symbol is an Olive Branch, while his second symbol is a Bundle of Arrows. It must be remembered the Manasseh is the thirteenth tribe. Ephraim moved into Joseph's place and Manasseh was added to the twelve..."It will be found that the Great Seal of the United States contains ten features of thirteen. And given that some sixteen drafts, over a time period of 159 years through which the seal was constructed, it makes coincidence impossible as an explanation for those 13's. I know that the easy answer to the fact of all these thirteens is that there were thirteen original colonies, but this surface explanation doesn't fit all the evidence. When the facts of the United States and the Great Seal are viewed in the context of the whole Lost Tribes teaching, it obviously fits like it belonged. The 'coincidence' of there being thirteen colonies doesn't add a whit to the total picture unless it is taken to be part of the [Lost Tribes] material. Finally in 1935 the final die was cut for the seal that we see on the one dollar bill today.
"The obverse, or front, side of the Seal as proposed by Thomas Jefferson was to show the Israelites being led by the Pillar of Cloud and of Fire. Benjamin Franklin suggested the event of Pharaoh's drowning in the Red Sea. The Harp of David was included in three early designs, while the number of olives and leaves did not settle to thirteen each until late in the nineteenth century." 13 Courses of the Pyramid = 13 Tribes of Israel

The standard interpretation of the Pyramid on the Great Seal is that the 13 courses represent the 13 colonies of the United States. But do they really? Take a close look at the following drawing of "The Distribution of the Land of Israel During the Millennium (http://christiankonnections.com/html/maps.html#Distribution%20of%20Land%20During%20the% 20Millenium)" and compare the 13 divisions according to the Tribes of Israel with the unfinished Pyramid on the Great Seal. These illustrations provide stunning evidence that the various and sundry "13s" on our Great Seal symbolize the 13 Tribes of Israel, as stated by the British Israelite author. As well, that the unfinished Great Pyramid of Egypt is a structural symbol of "Eretz Israel" (Greater Israel) which will extend from the Nile River to the Euphrates River!

http://watch.pair.com/land-division-12-tribes.gif
http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/watch-unto-prayer/dollar-bill.gif

Analyzing the Great Seal with this new information presented us with the following interpretation:

The Great Pyramid represents Eretz Israel or Greater Israel, allegedly during the Millennium, but also the false fulfillment of Bible prophecy by the Zionists. The Great Pyramid has 144,000 stones.
The detached Capstone of the Pyramid represents Lucifer who, in the person of the Antichrist, will preside over Eretz Israel during the Millennium.
The All-Seeing Eye in the Capstone is the Eye of Horus, the Egyptian Sun God who will be reincarnated as the False Messiah of Eretz Israel.
"Annuit Coeptis" has 13 letters and is Latin for "He (God) has favored our undertakings."
"Novus Ordo Seclorum," is translated "A New Order of the Ages" when the world will be ruled from by the False Messiah from Israel.
"E Pluribus Unum," which also has 13 letters, means "Out of Many, One." This is a reference to God's Millennial promises to the dispersed tribes:

". . . in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. . . Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand." (Ezek. 38:8; 37:19)


“In God We Trust” over the word "ONE" expresses the Jews' rejection of Jesus Christ which they erroneously derive from Deuteronomy. 6:4: “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.”
The 6-Pointed Star consisting of 13 stars represents the "Star of David (http://watch.pair.com/mark.html)" which is really the Seal of Solomon (http://watch.pair.com/solomon.html), a pagan symbol which will be the Mark of the Beast in Rev. 13:16.
The emblem of the Eagle was substituted for the Serpent by the Tribe of Dan (http://watch.pair.com/dan.html), from which the False Messiah will come:
"Dan's position in the journey was on the North of the Tabernacle, with Asher and Naphtali. The standard of the tribe was of white and red and the crest upon it an eagle. . .Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, the destroyer of serpents, as he shrank from carrying an adder upon his flag." [Unger's Bible Dictionary, p. 273]

The 13 arrows in the left claw of the Eagle represent the 13 tribes of Israel fomenting wars and revolutions throughout the world.
In its right claw, the Eagle carries an Olive Branch which has 13 leaves. The Olive Tree represents the House of Israel and House of Judah (Is. 17:6, 23:14, Jer.11:16, Rom. 11). The 13 leaves represent the 13 tribes of Israel and Judah.
Thus the numerous "13s" found in the Great Seal, as identified by Manly P. Hall, really represent the 13 tribes of Israel, although Hall would never divulge that very esoteric interpretation. The reason for the omission is found in Fritz Springmeier's book, The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines (http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/collins.htm), which briefly mentions that Marie Bauer Hall was the wife of Manly P. Hall:
"... Manly P. Hall whose wife was a Bauer (very likely part of the Rothschild bloodline.)" (p.43)
Based on this new information, which has been withheld from the Gentile world, it becomes apparent that the Great Seal of the United States reveals in a symbolic code the quest of the Zionist Jews to return to and conquer the Holy Land which God originally gave them, but which they forfeited through their rejection of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Great Seal reveals that they are using the United States of America and to reestablish the kingdom of Israel from which their Antichrist (http://watch.pair.com/false-christ.html), a descendant of King Solomon (http://watch.pair.com/solomon.html), will rule the world.
A timeline of this Zionist conspiracy is presented in our report, Heeding Bible Prophecy: New Israel (http://watch.pair.com/new-israel.html). The Judeo-Masonic Plan for the final stages of the Zionist conspiracy is the subject of another report, Death of the Phoenix: Final Act for the United States of America (http://watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html).

http://watch.pair.com/mason.html

eternal_spirit
06-04-2008, 07:57 PM
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/images/Michael.GIF


Michael fought with his Angels, and the Dragon fought with his.
The compilers of Revelations wove the esoteric with the
exoteric, combining Egyptian, Persian and Babylonian
terminology and symbology together. On one side of the 'battle'
we see the 'good angels,' each angel's name ending with 'el,'
the semitic term for the sun. The 'good guys' were really the
summer signs of the Zodiac, the Hebrew names being Micha-el,
Abdi-el, Azra-el etc.. The' bad guys' bore the Egyptian names
for the winter months, their names ending with -on, the Egyptian
name for the sun; the sun in winter bringing signs of impending
evil. Therefore we have Abadd-on, Apolly-on etc..Taken in context we see a Hebrew interpretation of a 'heavenly'battle between the Egyptian and Hebrew 'gods,' for the exoteric
explanation. The 'Lord' of the Opposite,' was said to be
domiciled in the sign in opposition of where the sun happened
to be. This' contrary' god was called Beli-el. Baalzebub was
domiciled in Scorpio, which gives the 'kiss' of death to god's sun
every autumn, causing his 'fall.' The esoteric meaning is the
battle of winter against summer. The very word Autumn is
comprised of the Egyptian names Atum, old god of the world
and darkness, matter, and Aten, title of the 'beneficent' sun. Hellwas always said to be in the north, the great abyss referring to
the constellation Draco revolves in an endless serpentine loop.
Draco is one of the latin terms for 'snake.' Drag-on is an
Egyptian term for the north 'pole' where eternal winter was said
to hold his carnival or Circus(circuit**. Helping him were his
'Baals' and 'Ons' Of Chaldea and Egypt.

eternal_spirit
06-04-2008, 10:50 PM
Okay, this is the relevant thread, wondered if any masons have any views on this^^^

Esoteric Unveiled and Revelations in
High Masonic Tradition

Guess the word High means The Elite.

As a Mason progresses upwards through the degrees, they are given different meanings of the mysteries for example on Solomon.

eternal_spirit
06-04-2008, 10:50 PM
I have heard there are up to 360 degrees.

icke and ham
06-04-2008, 11:18 PM
I have heard there are up to 360 degrees.

Haha, there are in every circle. Maybe that's where the expresion squaring the circle comes from. Why with a circle, I don't know. The freemason's are always going on about squares but where they hope to find themselves with a circle i dont know eitherr. perhaps it is all about shapes -oo shape-shifting!

No,I dont belive the reptilian shape shifter theory. But do you know the meaning of squaring a circle ES? Time we had some proper facts about freemasonary given here instead of bullsh1t!! :confused:

eternal_spirit
06-04-2008, 11:23 PM
Haha, there are in every circle. Maybe that's where the expresion squaring the circle comes from. Why with a circle, I don't know. The freemason's are always going on about squares but where they hope to find themselves with a circle i dont know eitherr. perhaps it is all about shapes -oo shape-shifting!

No,I dont belive the reptilian shape shifter theory. But do you know the meaning of squaring a circle ES? Time we had some proper facts about freemasonary given here instead of bullsh1t!! :confused:

................

You're right about squaring the circle part of ritual. It's no secret that much is coded/allegoric/exoteric/esoteric and can be interpretated in different ways.

eternal_spirit
07-04-2008, 10:28 AM
It's no secret that much is coded/allegoric/exoteric/esoteric and can be interpretated in different ways.

Think of this do you believe the Prime Minister is really the top man?

Think 360 degrees. Is it such a leap of faith and strech of the imagination for you to accept or consider the possibility that there are higher orders/groups that you are not aware of.


All the religious texts are allegories, this is the source of the occult and your craft. Many Masons have written about the connections of Freemasonry to ancient Mystery School religions, Ancient Egypt etc.

Just because you cannot understand the text does not mean it has nothing to do with Freemasonry.

We know there are 3 degrees, ask Thelonious why he's said he has other degrees including 32 degree.

Esoteric Unveiled and Revelations in
High Masonic Tradition

danielson23uk
07-04-2008, 11:14 AM
It's no secret that much is coded/allegoric/exoteric/esoteric and can be interpretated in different ways.

Think of this do you believe the Prime Minister is really the top man?

Think 360 degrees. Is it such a leap of faith and strech of the imagination for you to accept or consider the possibility that there are higher orders/groups that you are not aware of.


All the religious texts are allegories, this is the source of the occult and your craft. Many Masons have written about the connections of Freemasonry to ancient Mystery School religions, Ancient Egypt etc.

Just because you cannot understand the text does not mean it has nothing to do with Freemasonry.

We know there are 3 degrees, ask Thelonious why he's said he has other degrees including 32 degree.

Esoteric Unveiled and Revelations in
High Masonic Tradition
So what's the illustration all about then? Shock and awe? I think that's a George W Bush tactic. I didn't realise you were a fan ES.

eternal_spirit
07-04-2008, 11:25 AM
Key words ; Equinoxes, soltices, Sun, constelations, Earth, summer, autumn, winter, spring, nature, astrology, Religous texts, allegory, that much is obvious.

Add to this, if you claim to have knowledge.

BTW leave out the name calling and loose the superiority complex.

icke and ham
07-04-2008, 11:35 AM
It's no secret that much is coded/allegoric/exoteric/esoteric and can be interpretated in different ways.

Think of this do you believe the Prime Minister is really the top man?


Esoteric Unveiled and Revelations in
High Masonic Tradition

So if you know all thesecoded ways you must tell us eternal sprite. Some of us have not learnt so much about freemasonary as you (exept the mason's lol). I am willing to learn but they are not going to tell me like you can.

no i dont think the prime minister is the top man. it is always said even in the papers that the duke of kent is.

danielson23uk
07-04-2008, 11:58 AM
Key words ; Equinoxes, soltices, Sun, constelations, Earth, summer, autumn, winter, spring, nature, astrology, Religous texts, allegory, that much is obvious.

Add to this, if you claim to have knowledge.

BTW leave out the name calling and loose the superiority complex.

What name calling? I haven't called you any names.
So just to clarify, the words "Equinoxes, soltices, Sun, constelations, Earth, summer, autumn, winter, spring, nature, astrology, Religous texts, allegory," all mean that masons rule the world?
My question was what is the illustration all about? You haven't explained the significance of an angel defeating a demon. All I'm asking is that you explain what you've posted. As for a superiority complex, I can't help if you're beginning to feel inferior because you stupidly posted something you can't explain. You might find that when you start posting your own material rather than regurgitating someone else's shite the superiority gap will be loosed or loosened or maybe lost.

eternal_spirit
07-04-2008, 12:02 PM
So if you know all thesecoded ways you must tell us eternal sprite. Some of us have not learnt so much about freemasonary as you (exept the mason's lol). I am willing to learn but they are not going to tell me like you can.

no i dont think the prime minister is the top man. it is always said even in the papers that the duke of kent is.
......................

I'm no expert that I'll admit. Sorry to dissapoint.

The Duke of Bent is high up the pecking order.


Duke of Kent Follows Family Tradition into the Ancient and Accepted Rite

The Duke of Kent followed in the masonic footsteps of his father and great-grandfather when he had the 33º conferred on him by the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Rite for England and Wales.
In a nice family touch, the Duke was invested with the regalia which had previously been worn by his father and by his great-grandfather, Edward VII.
All nine members of the Supreme Council were present for the ceremony at the Order’s London headquarters, as well as two former Sovereign Grand Commanders, Canon Richard Tydeman OSM and Richard Sandbach OSM. The Duke was also elected an Honorary Member of Supreme Council.


Hertfordshire County Council Drops all Reference to Freemasonry on its Job Application Forms

Hertfordshire County Council has dropped all reference requiring potential employees to declare masonic membership on its job application forms.


http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/43/p04.php

danielson23uk
07-04-2008, 12:12 PM
......................

I'm no expert that I'll admit. Sorry to dissapoint.

The Duke of Bent is high up the pecking order.


Duke of Kent Follows Family Tradition into the Ancient and Accepted Rite

The Duke of Kent followed in the masonic footsteps of his father and great-grandfather when he had the 33º conferred on him by the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Rite for England and Wales.
In a nice family touch, the Duke was invested with the regalia which had previously been worn by his father and by his great-grandfather, Edward VII.
All nine members of the Supreme Council were present for the ceremony at the Order’s London headquarters, as well as two former Sovereign Grand Commanders, Canon Richard Tydeman OSM and Richard Sandbach OSM. The Duke was also elected an Honorary Member of Supreme Council.


Hertfordshire County Council Drops all Reference to Freemasonry on its Job Application Forms

Hertfordshire County Council has dropped all reference requiring potential employees to declare masonic membership on its job application forms.


http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/43/p04.php
ES, it's common knowledge that the Duke of Kent is the Grand Master of the UGLE. Likewise his brother Prince Michael of Kent is the Grand Master of the Mark Masons Grand Lodge.
But I&H asked you to explain the words. I think he said something like decode them. He wants to know too. So if not for us lower level masons then do it for a non-mason seeking the 'truth'.

chrism
07-04-2008, 12:31 PM
Hertfordshire County Council has dropped all reference requiring potential employees to declare masonic membership on its job application forms.
http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/43/p04.php

Bit of a double edged sword that one - I am sure the request was not put there by masons in the first place! Any question like that is opening the door to discrimination.

If you are required to state it, it can work for and against both sides. As a mason, I would tick 'Yes' and then spend time worrying that a non-mason would think I was trying to influence them into getting a job. On the other hand, if it landed in front of a mason, would he think I was trying to lever my way in, or possibly offer me a job simply because of my affiliation?

If a non-mason was to apply, he would be thinking 'bloody hell - do I have to be one to get a job!'. Contrast this with the council possibly being afraid to take on masons based on possible discrimination charges... Big old Catch 22!

The truth is, affiliation to masonry SHOULD not make a difference, but in the big wide world I am sure it does influence some people. I would be naive to say it DOES not.

In practise, I would never take someone on just because they are on the square. In fact, I would see it as my duty to inform them why I am not taking them on as truthfully as possible, and would expect him to understand or even agree that the other candidate is better qualified, experience or otherwise able to do the job. After all, it is the success of my company and my staff that I have to consider and as my 'brother' I would expect his support, and would wish him the best of luck!

If I were to take him on, I would not expect to be questioned about my masonic motives, after all he would have to have been the best person for the job, but how can this be proven?

Tennis, Yossarian?

Just another opinion. Ho hum...

Chris

thelonious
07-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Think 360 degrees. Is it such a leap of faith and strech of the imagination for you to accept or consider the possibility that there are higher orders/groups that you are not aware of....We know there are 3 degrees, ask Thelonious why he's said he has other degrees including 32 degree.



It's important to keep in mind that there are many different Masonic Rites, and each one has its own specific number of degrees. In this sense, "Freemasonry" is an umbrella term that covers all the different Rites. If you want to count every single degree from each different Rite separately, there are well over a thousand different degrees.

Brother Albert G. Mackey, in his "Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry", actually listed every degree that was known to exist under the entry "Degrees". Brother Henry W. Coil did the same, using Mackey as his source, in his "Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia". Therefore, anyone interested in all those degrees are referred to Mackey's and Coil's books.

To give a brief example, the Scottish Rite of Masonry (called the Ancient and Accepted Rite in the UK) has 33 degrees. The York Rite, as worked in the USA, has 12 degrees. The Oriental Rite of Memphis had 97 degrees, and the Egyptian Rite of Mitzraim had 90 degrees. There were/are many others.

icke and ham
07-04-2008, 08:36 PM
ES, it's common knowledge that the Duke of Kent is the Grand Master of the UGLE. Likewise his brother Prince Michael of Kent is the Grand Master of the Mark Masons Grand Lodge.

But I&H asked you to explain the words. I think he said something like decode them. He wants to know too. So if not for us lower level masons then do it for a non-mason seeking the 'truth'.

Ha-ha! I think ES is being even more secretive than the mason's now danielson. I wonder if i should trust him more than you when he wont help me with the special knowlege he says hes got.

I havnt seen him say what he gives to charity. perhaps he gives it all to second family insted? Is that what you mean danilson that their are people here daft enough to do that? ooh you are being sugestive about ES - wait till he decodes all your rituals!!

Never mind the black balls chrism i have herd tell you mason's have got golden balls!

danielson23uk
07-04-2008, 08:52 PM
Ha-ha! I think ES is being even more secretive than the mason's now danielson. I wonder if i should trust him more than you when he wont help me with the special knowlege he says hes got.

I havnt seen him say what he gives to charity. perhaps he gives it all to second family insted? Is that what you mean danilson that their are people here daft enough to do that? ooh you are being sugestive about ES - wait till he decodes all your rituals!!

Never mind the black balls chrism i have herd tell you mason's have got golden balls!

Sadly I&H I wasn't being very nice to ES. And I should really apologise because I knew from the moment he posted the image he couldn't explain it. Why is that Danilson? I hear you say...... Because it's BOLLOX that's why. I'm going to leave ES alone now because otherwise I'll be just as guilty of bullying him as people on here are of bullying masons. Practice what you preach and all that I&H. So do you want an application form then????:p

mike martin
07-04-2008, 09:12 PM
Duke of Kent Follows Family Tradition into the Ancient and Accepted Rite

The Duke of Kent followed in the masonic footsteps of his father and great-grandfather when he had the 33º conferred on him by the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Rite for England and Wales.
In a nice family touch, the Duke was invested with the regalia which had previously been worn by his father and by his great-grandfather, Edward VII.
All nine members of the Supreme Council were present for the ceremony at the Order’s London headquarters, as well as two former Sovereign Grand Commanders, Canon Richard Tydeman OSM and Richard Sandbach OSM. The Duke was also elected an Honorary Member of Supreme Council.

Now ES that is a verrry interesting thing for you to post.

I would like to set you a challenge, if you can.

Can you look at the date of the article then find out when the Duke of Kent became the Grand Master of Freemasons in England and Wales.

If you're sharp enough, you might notice a discrepency in your belief about the Masonic "rank sytem"!

You might also realise that we have been telling you the truth about how the degrees work!

Hertfordshire County Council Drops all Reference to Freemasonry on its Job Application Forms

Hertfordshire County Council has dropped all reference requiring potential employees to declare masonic membership on its job application forms.

The requirement to declare membership was dropped as it was against our human rights. Also because there are so many other societies, far more private than we are, that would have had to be added to make the form fair and non-discriminatory.

Mike

whatsontv
09-04-2008, 12:04 AM
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/images/Michael.GIF


Michael fought with his Angels, and the Dragon fought with his.
The compilers of Revelations wove the esoteric with the
exoteric, combining Egyptian, Persian and Babylonian
terminology and symbology together. On one side of the 'battle'
we see the 'good angels,' each angel's name ending with 'el,'
the semitic term for the sun. The 'good guys' were really the
summer signs of the Zodiac, the Hebrew names being Micha-el,
Abdi-el, Azra-el etc.. The' bad guys' bore the Egyptian names
for the winter months, their names ending with -on, the Egyptian
name for the sun; the sun in winter bringing signs of impending
evil. Therefore we have Abadd-on, Apolly-on etc..Taken in context we see a Hebrew interpretation of a 'heavenly'battle between the Egyptian and Hebrew 'gods,' for the exoteric
explanation. The 'Lord' of the Opposite,' was said to be
domiciled in the sign in opposition of where the sun happened
to be. This' contrary' god was called Beli-el. Baalzebub was
domiciled in Scorpio, which gives the 'kiss' of death to god's sun
every autumn, causing his 'fall.' The esoteric meaning is the
battle of winter against summer. The very word Autumn is
comprised of the Egyptian names Atum, old god of the world
and darkness, matter, and Aten, title of the 'beneficent' sun. Hellwas always said to be in the north, the great abyss referring to
the constellation Draco revolves in an endless serpentine loop.
Draco is one of the latin terms for 'snake.' Drag-on is an
Egyptian term for the north 'pole' where eternal winter was said
to hold his carnival or Circus(circuit**. Helping him were his
'Baals' and 'Ons' Of Chaldea and Egypt.


This (to me) is the most fascinating post on the forum that I have read in a long time! Although I had previously read differing opinions on the suffixes attributed to the 'angels' I had very little info about their origins. Can I ask what I hope is not a 'daft' question? When watching an episode of QI on television there was a point where the question of the number of zodiacal signs arose. The "answer" was that there are in fact 13 zodiacal signs but one was suppressed - is this so?

geeve420
09-04-2008, 03:07 PM
This (to me) is the most fascinating post on the forum that I have read in a long time! Although I had previously read differing opinions on the suffixes attributed to the 'angels' I had very little info about their origins. Can I ask what I hope is not a 'daft' question? When watching an episode of QI on television there was a point where the question of the number of zodiacal signs arose. The "answer" was that there are in fact 13 zodiacal signs but one was suppressed - is this so?


This might help answer your question:

http://www.geocities.com/astrologyzodiacs/planetaryzodiac.htm

I didn't read the whole thing just glimpsed through it, What I gathered is there are 13 planetary zodiac star charts, though there are a total of 29 planetary zodiac signs. Someone who does zodiac or astrology might be better suited to answer this though.

Thanks

Geeve

eternal_spirit
09-04-2008, 03:42 PM
This (to me) is the most fascinating post on the forum that I have read in a long time! Although I had previously read differing opinions on the suffixes attributed to the 'angels' I had very little info about their origins. Can I ask what I hope is not a 'daft' question? When watching an episode of QI on television there was a point where the question of the number of zodiacal signs arose. The "answer" was that there are in fact 13 zodiacal signs but one was suppressed - is this so?
...................................


The 13 th is know as Ophiuchus ( the serpent holder ) which is placed between Scorpio and Sagittarius. The number 13 has many esoteric meanings. Although this is open to debate and interpretation such is the nature of astrology/astronomy/cosmology.

eternal_spirit
13-04-2008, 06:57 PM
How completely the Temple of Solomon was symbolic, is
manifest, not only from the continual reproduction in it of
the sacred numbers and of astrological symbols in the histor-
ical descriptions of it; but also, and yet more, from the de-
tails of the imaginary reconstructed edifice, seen by Ezekiel
in his vision. The Apocalypse completes the demonstration,
and shows the kabalistic meanings of the whole. The Sym-
bola Architectonica are found on the most ancient edifices;
and these mathematical figures and instruments, adopted by
the Templars, and identical with those on the gnostic seals and
abraxae, connect their dogma with the Chaldaic, Syriac, and
Egyptian Oriental philosophy. The secret Pythagorean doc-
trines of numbers were preserved by the monks of Thibet, by
the Hierophants of Egypt and Eleusis, at Jerusalem, and in
the circular Chapters of the Druids; and they are especially
consecrated in that mysterious book, the Apocalypse of Saint
John.
All temples were surrounded by pillars, recording the number
of the constellations, the signs of the zodiac, or the cycles of the
planets; and each one was a microcosm or symbol of the Universe,
having for roof or ceiling the starred vault of Heaven.
All temples were originally open at the top, having for roof the
sky. Twelve pillars described the belt of the zodiac. Whatever
the number of the pillars, they were mystical everywhere. At
Abury, the Druidic temple reproduced all the cycles by its col-
umns. Around the temples of Chilminar in Persia, of Baalbec,
and of Tukhti Schlomoh in Tartary, on the frontier of China,
stood forty pillars. On each side of the temple at Paestum were
fourteen, recording the Egyptian cycle of the dark and light sides
of the moon, as described by Plutarch; the whole thirty-eight
that surrounded them recording the two meteoric cycles so often
found in the Druidic temples.
The theatre built by Scaurus, in Greece, was surrounded by
360 columns; the Temple at Mecca, and that at Iona in Scotland,
by 360 stones.

eternal_spirit
13-04-2008, 11:28 PM
WHETHER the legend and history of this Degree are historically true, or
but an allegory, containing in itself a deeper truth and a profounder
meaning, we shall not now debate. If it be but a legendary myth, you must
find out for yourself what it means. It is certain that the word which the
Hebrews are not now permitted to pronounce was in common use by
Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Jacob, Laban, Rebecca, and even among tribes
foreign to the Hebrews, before the time of Moses; and that it recurs a
hundred times in the lyrical effusions of David and other Hebrew poets.
We know that for many centuries the Hebrews have been forbidden to
pronounce the Sacred Name; that wherever it occurs, they have for ages
read the word Adonaï instead; and that under it, when the masoretic
points, which represent the vowels, came to be used, they placed those
which belonged to the latter word. The possession of the true
pronunciation was deemed to confer on him who had it extraordinary and
supernatural powers; and the Word itself, worn upon the person, was
regarded as an amulet, a protection against personal danger, sickness,
and evil spirits. We know that all this was a vain superstition, natural to a
rude people, necessarily disappearing as the intellect of man became
enlightened; and wholly unworthy of a Mason.
It is noticeable that this notion of the sanctity of the Divine Name or
Creative Word was common to all the ancient nations. The Sacred Word
HOM was supposed by the ancient Persians (who were among the
earliest emigrants from Northern India) to
be pregnant with a mysterious power; and they taught that by its utterance
the world was created. In India it was forbidden to pronounce the word
AUM or OM, the Sacred Name of the One Deity, manifested as Brahma,
Vishna, and Seeva.
These superstitious notions in regard to the efficacy of the Word, and the
prohibition against pronouncing it, could, being errors, have formed no
part of the pure primitive religion, or of the esoteric doctrine taught by
Moses, and the full knowledge of which was confined to the Initiates;
unless the whole was but an ingenious invention for the concealment of
some other Name or truth, the interpretation and meaning whereof was
made known only to the select few. If so, the common notions in regard to
the Word grew up in the minds of the people, like other errors and fables
among all the ancient nations, out of original truths and symbols and
allegories misunderstood. So it has always been that allegories, intended
as vehicles of truth, to be understood by the sages, have become or bred
errors, by being literally accepted.
It is true, that before the masoretic points were invented (which was after
the beginning of the Christian era), the pronunciation of a word in the
Hebrew language could not be known from the characters in which it was
written. It was, therefore, possible for that of the name of the Deity to have
been forgotten and lost. It is certain that its true pronunciation is not that
represented by the word Jehovah; and therefore that that is not the true
name of Deity, nor the Ineffable Word.
The ancient symbols and allegories always had more than one
interpretation. They always had a double meaning, and sometimes more
than two, one serving as the envelope of the other. Thus the pronunciation
of the word was a symbol; and that pronunciation and the word itself were
lost, when the knowledge of the true nature and attributes of God faded
out of the minds of the Jewish people. That is one interpretation - true, but
not the inner and profoundest one.
Men were figuratively said to forget the name of God, when they lost that
knowledge, and worshipped the heathen deities, and burned incense to
them on the high places, and passed their children through the fire to
Moloch.
Thus the attempts of the ancient Israelites and of the Initiates to ascertain
the True Name of the Deity, and its pronunciation, and the loss of the True
Word, are an allegory, in which are
represented the general ignorance of the true nature and attributes of
God, the proneness of the people of Judah and Israel to worship other
deities, and the low and erroneous and dishonoring notions of the Grand
Architect of the Universe, which all shared except a few favored persons;
for even Solomon built altars and sacrificed to Astarat, the goddess of the
Tsidumm, and Malcüm, the Aamünite god, and built high places for
Kamüs, the Moabite deity, and Malec the god of the Beni-Aamün. The true
nature of God was unknown to them, like His name; and they worshipped
the calves of Jeroboam, as in the desert they did that made for them by
Aarün.
The mass of the Hebrews did not believe in the existence of one only God
until a late period in their history. Their. early and popular ideas of the
Deity were singularly low and unworthy. Even while Moses was receiving
the law upon Mount Sinai, they forced Aarün to make them an image of
the Egyptian god Apis, and fell down and adored it. They were ever ready
to return to the worship of the gods of the Mitzraim; and soon after the
death of Joshua they became devout worshippers of the false gods of all
the surrounding nations. "Ye have borne," Amos, the prophet, said to
them, speaking of their forty years' journeying in the desert, under Moses,
"the tabernacle of your Malec and Kaiün your idols, the star of your god,
which ye made to yourselves."
Among them, as among other nations, the conceptions of God formed by
individuals varied according to their intellectual and spiritual capacities;
poor and imperfect, and investing God with the commonest and coarest
attributes of humanity, among the ignorant and coarse; pure and lofty
among the virtuous and richly gifted. These conceptions gradually
improved and became purified and ennobled, as the nation advanced in
civilization - being lowest in the historical books, amended in the prophetic
writings, and reaching their highest elevation among the poets.
Among all the ancient nations there was one faith and one idea of Deity
for the enlightened, intelligent, and educated, and another for the common
people. To this rule the Hebrews were no exception. Yehovah, to the
mass of the people, was like the gods of the nations around them, except
that he was the peculiar God, first of the family of Abraham, of that of
Isaac, and of that of Jacob, and afterward the National God; and, as they
believed, more powerful than the other gods of the same nature
worshipped
by their neighbors - "Who among the Baalim is like unto thee, O
Yehovah?" - expressed their whole creed.
The Deity of the early Hebrews talked to Adam and Eve in the garden of
delight, as he walked in it in the cool of the day; he conversed with Kayin;
he sat and ate with Abraham in his tent; that patriarch required a visible
token, before he would believe in his positive promise; he permitted
Abraham to expostulate with him, and to induce him to change his first
determination in regard to Sodom; he wrestled with Jacob; he showed
Moses his person, though not his face; he dictated the minutest police
regulations and the dimensions of the tabernacle and its furniture, to the
Israelites; he insisted on and delighted in sacrifices and burnt-offerings; he
was angry, jealous, and revengeful, as well as wavering and irresolute; he
allowed Moses to reason him out of his fixed resolution utterly to destroy
his people; he commanded the performance of the most shocking and
hideous acts of cruelty and barbarity. He hardened the heart of Pharaoh;
he repented of the evil that he had said he would do unto the people of
Nineveh; and he did it not, to the disgust and anger of Jonah.
Such were the popular notions of the Deity; and either the priests had
none better, or took little trouble to correct these notions; or the popular
intellect was not enough enlarged to enable them to entertain any higher
conceptions of the Almighty.
But such were not the ideas of the intellectual and enlightened few among
the Hebrews. It is certain that they possessed a knowledge of the true
nature and attributes of God; as the same class of men did among the
other nations - Zoroaster, Menu, Confucius, Socrates, and Plato. But their
doctrines on this subject were esoteric; they did not communicate them to
the people at large, but only to a favored few; and as they were
communicated in Egypt and India, in Persia and Phoenicia, in Greece and
Samothrace, in the greater mysteries, to the Initiates.
The communication of this knowledge and other secrets, some of which
are perhaps lost, constituted, under other names, what we now call
Masonry, or Free or Frank-Masonry. That knowledge was, in one sense,
the Lost Word, which was made known to the Grand Elect, Perfect, and
Sublime Masons. It would be folly to pretend that the forms of Masonry
were the same in those ages as they are now. The present name of the
Order, and its titles, and the names of the Degrees now in use, were not
then known.
Even Blue Masonry cannot trace back its authentic history, with its present
Degrees, further than the year 1700, if so far. But, by whatever name it
was known in this or the other country, Masonry existed as it now exists,
the same in spirit and at heart, not only when Solomon builded the temple,
but centuries before - before even the first colonies emigrated into
Southern India, Persia, and Egypt, from the cradle of the human race.
The Supreme, Self-existent, Eternal, All-wise, All-powerful, Infinitely Good,
Pitying, Beneficent, and Merciful Creator and Preserver of the Universe
was the same, by whatever name he was called, to the intellectual and
enlightened men of all nations. The name was nothing, if not a symbol and
representative hieroglyph of his nature and attributes. The name AL
represented his remoteness above men, his inaccessibility; BAL and
BALA, his might; ALOHIM, his various potencies; IHUH, existence and the
generation of things. None of his names, among the Orientals, were the
symbols of a divinely infinite love and tenderness, and all-embracing
mercy. As MOLOCH or MALEK he was but an omnipotent monarch, a
tremendous and irresponsible Will; as ADONAÏ, only an arbitrary LORD
and Master; as AL Shadaï, potent and a DESTROYER.
To communicate true and correct ideas in respect of the Deity was one
chief object of the mysteries. In them, Khürüm the King, and Khürüm the
Master, obtained their knowledge of him and his attributes; and in them
that knowledge was taught to Moses and Pythagoras.
Wherefore nothing forbids you to consider the whole legend of this
Degree, like that of the Master's, an allegory, representing the
perpetuation of the knowledge of the True God in the sanctuaries of
initiation. By the subterranean vaults you may understand the places of
initiation, which in the ancient ceremonies were generally under ground.
The Temple of Solomon presented a symbolic image of the Universe; and
resembled, in its arrangements and furniture, all the temples of the ancient
nations that practised the mysteries. The system of numbers was
intimately connected with their religions and worship, and has come down
to us in Masonry; though the esoteric meaning with which the numbers
used by us are pregnant is unknown to the vast majority of those who use
them. Those numbers were especially employed that had a reference to
the Deity, represented his attributes, or figured in the
frame-work of the world, in time and space, and formed more or less the
bases of that frame-work. These were universally regarded as sacred,
being the expression of order and intelligence, the utterances of Divinity
Himself.
The Holy of Holies of the Temple formed a cube; in which, drawn on a
plane surface, there are 4 + 3 + 2 = 9 lines visible, and three sides or
faces. It corresponded with the number four, by which the ancients
presented Nature, it being the number of substances or corporeal forms,
and of the elements, the cardinal points and seasons, and the secondary
colors. The number three everywhere represented the Supreme Being.
Hence the name of the Deity, engraven upon the triangular plate, and that
sunken into the cube of agate, taught the ancient Mason, and teaches us,
that the true knowledge of God, of His nature and His attributes is written
by Him upon the leaves of the great Book of Universal Nature, and may be
read there by all who are endowed with the requisite amount of intellect
and intelligence. This knowledge of God, so written there, and of which
Masonry has in all ages been the interpreter, is the Master Mason's Word.
Within the Temple, all the arrangements were mystically and symbolically
connected with the same system. The vault or ceiling, starred like the
firmament, was supported by twelve columns, representing the twelve
months of the year. The border that ran around the columns represented
the zodiac, and one of the twelve celestial signs was appropriated to each
column. The brazen sea was supported by twelve oxen, three looking to
each cardinal point of the compass.
And so in our day every Masonic Lodge represents the Universe. Each
extends, we are told, from the rising to the setting sun, from the South to
the North, from the surface of the Earth to the Heavens, and from the
same to the centre of the globe. In it are represented the sun, moon, and
stars; three great torches in the East, West, and South, forming a triangle,
give it light: and, like the Delta or Triangle suspended in the East, and
inclosing the Ineffable Name, indicate, by the mathematical equality of the
angles and sides, the beautiful and harmonious proportions which govern
in the aggregate and details of the Universe; while those sides and angles
represent, by their number, three, the Trinity of Power, Wisdom, and
Harmony, which presided at the building of this marvellous work These
three great lights also represent the
great mystery of the three principles, of creation, dissolution or destruction,
and reproduction or regeneration, consecrated by all creeds in their numerous
Trinities.
The luminous pedestal, lighted by the perpetual flame within, is a symbol of
that light of Reason, given by God to man, by which he is enabled to read in
the Book of Nature the record of the thought, the revelation of the attributes of
the Deity.
The three Masters, Adoniram, Joabert, and Stolkin, are types of the True
Mason, who seeks for knowledge from pure motives, and that he may be the
better enabled to serve and benefit his fellow-men; while the discontented
and presumptuous Masters who were buried in the ruins of the arches
represent those who strive to acquire it for unholy purposes, to gain power
over their fellows, to gratify their pride, their vanity, or their ambition.
The Lion that guarded the Ark and held in his mouth the key wherewith to
open it, figuratively represents Solomon, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, who
preserved and communicated the key to the true knowledge of God, of His
laws, and of the profound mysteries of the moral and physical Universe.
ENOCH [ Khanõc], we are told, walked with God three hundred years,
after reaching the age of sixty-five - "walked with God, and he was no more,
for God had taken him." His name signified in the Hebrew, INITIATE or
INITIATOR. The legend of the columns, of granite and brass or bronze,
erected by him, is probably symbolical. That of bronze, which survived the
flood, is supposed to symbolize the mysteries, of which Masonry is the
legitimate successor - from the earliest times the custodian and depository of
the great philosophical and religious truths, unknown to the world at large,
and handed down from age to age by an unbroken current of tradition,
embodied in symbols, emblems, and allegories.

eternal_spirit
14-04-2008, 12:07 PM
You Masons have said many times that you have your own interpretations of what meanings you derive form certain Masonic techings/mysteris etc, which is different for each individual Mason on certain topics to do with Masonry.

I quote Albert Pike who's was a Mason, and still you shoot me the messener. It's a strange game you play. Is there any sources you'd be happy with, obviouly high degree Masons such as Pike isn't good enough:eek::rolleyes:


The Esoteric meaning of Revelations in the high masonic tradition something I posted earlier in this thread(which you pooh poohed and said it was bullshit )has very much the same info that's contained in the Albert Pike quote relating to the 12th degree, so, are you telling porkies, or do you not understand the meanings of your own Masonic teachings? Which is it Danny? If you Masons claim to be honest let's have an honest answer....

danielson23uk
14-04-2008, 02:05 PM
LOL You Masons have said many times that you have your own interpretations of what meanings you derive form certain Masonic techings/mysteris etc, which is different for each individual Mason on certain topics to do with Masonry.
So how does that make Mike a liar?

I quote Albert Pike who's was a Mason, and still you shoot me the messener. It's a strange game you play. Is there any sources you'd be happy with, obviouly high degree Masons such as Pike isn't good enough:eek::rolleyes:
Kenneth Noye was a mason too. Does that make him a reliable source?

The Esoteric meaning of Revelations in the high masonic tradition something I posted earlier in this thread(which you pooh poohed and said it was bullshit )has very much the same info that's contained in the Albert Pike quote relating to the 12th degree, so, are you telling porkies, or do you not understand the meanings of your own Masonic teachings? Which is it Danny? If you Masons claim to be honest let's have an honest answer....
You've had nothing but honest answers ES. That fact that you can't stomach the truth is not our problem.
The post you refer to you also agreed that you didn't understand it or it's significance towards Freemasonry. You admitted that you hadn't even read it properly. Now you claim it has the same significance as Pike's quote. Wow you really are a talented individual. I think on reflection, I'd rather talk to my 4 year old than you because she is able to comprehend fact from fiction now and has a genuine desire to be educated. You just bark on like an articulate version of Katherine Tate's stroppy teenager. Am I bovvered though?

eternal_spirit
14-04-2008, 02:10 PM
So how does that make Mike a liar?


Kenneth Noye was a mason too. Does that make him a reliable source?


You've had nothing but honest answers ES. That fact that you can't stomach the truth is not our problem.
The post you refer to you also agreed that you didn't understand it or it's significance towards Freemasonry. You admitted that you hadn't even read it properly. Now you claim it has the same significance as Pike's quote. Wow you really are a talented individual. I think on reflection, I'd rather talk to my 4 year old than you because she is able to comprehend fact from fiction now and has a genuine desire to be educated. You just bark on like an articulate version of Katherine Tate's stroppy teenager. Am I bovvered though?

.....................
I'm a none Mason asking Masons what they think about Masonic texts I posted. and I'm entilted to have an opinion reagrding your replies.

So, you just add proof to the points I made with my previous post. You're low level Freemasonic Troll sent out by your masters to spread disinforamtion, or you don't really know much about the esoteric/mysteries.

intruder
14-04-2008, 02:11 PM
I just want to intrude, sit at the piano, and play y'all a little Coldplay...(just to prove that I'm NOT a music snob)



Politik

Look at the earth from outer space
Everyone must find their place
Give me time and give me space
Give me real don't give me fake
Give me strength, reserve control
Give me heart and give me soul
Give me time, give us a kiss
Tell me all your politik

And open up your eyes, open up your eyes, open up your eyes, open up your eyes

Give me one 'cause one is best
In confusion, confidence
Give me peace of mind and trust
Don't forget the rest us
Give me strength, reserve control
Give me heart and give me soul
Wounds that heal and cracks that fix
Tell me all your politik

And open up your eyes, open up your eyes, open up your eyes, open up your eyes
Just open up your eyes

But give me love over, love over, love over this

thelonious
14-04-2008, 02:38 PM
.....................
I'm a none Mason asking Masons what they think about Masonic texts I posted.

As already mentioned, I am in general agreement with Pike, although I disagree with him on quite a few specifics. Regardless, I'm curious: you quoted a large passage from the 12° lecture, but didn't comment on it. What was your point?

As for Mike and the other guys: most of them are in the UK. Pike's lectures are only relevant here in the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA. In the UK, the degree rituals and symbols of the Ancient and Accepted (Scottish) Rite are entirely different.

eternal_spirit
14-04-2008, 02:45 PM
As already mentioned, I am in general agreement with Pike, although I disagree with him on quite a few specifics. Regardless, I'm curious: you quoted a large passage from the 12° lecture, but didn't comment on it. What was your point?

As for Mike and the other guys: most of them are in the UK. Pike's lectures are only relevant here in the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA. In the UK, the degree rituals and symbols of the Ancient and Accepted (Scottish) Rite are entirely different.

......................................


The Esoteric meaning of Revelations in the high masonic tradition something I posted earlier in this thread(which some of you pooh poohed and said it was bullshit )has very much the same info that's contained in the Albert Pike quote relating to the 12th degree, that's the point.

Okay you're the expert.....but don't expect me too all you worshipful master or whatever term is used ;)

I'd imagine that Morals and Dogma is a popular text amongst Masons regardless of Nationality.

It's big book like 5 Bibles in one.

chrism
14-04-2008, 02:51 PM
I'd imagine that Morals and Dogma is a popular text amongst Masons regardless of Nationality.

I can honestly say I have never read it.

Albert Pike holds no interest for me - I am into freemasonry, not American History, and his teachings have never been brought up in my lodges!

C

thelonious
14-04-2008, 02:56 PM
I can honestly say I have never read it.

Albert Pike holds no interest for me - I am into freemasonry, not American History, and his teachings have never been brought up in my lodges!

C

Morals and Dogmas is not about American History. M&D is the collection of the lectures for the 32 standard degrees of the Scottish Rite of Masonry for the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA.

danielson23uk
14-04-2008, 03:03 PM
Morals and Dogmas is not about American History. M&D is the collection of the lectures for the 32 standard degrees of the Scottish Rite of Masonry for the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA.

Which might well be another reason why neither Chris nor I have read it.

chrism
14-04-2008, 03:03 PM
Morals and Dogmas is not about American History. M&D is the collection of the lectures for the 32 standard degrees of the Scottish Rite of Masonry for the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA.

Sorry for the misunderstanding but It still does not really interest me - if his name comes up in lodge I may think of looking into him!

Regards

C

thelonious
14-04-2008, 03:06 PM
Sorry for the misunderstanding but It still does not really interest me - if his name comes up in lodge I may think of looking into him!




It probably won't....unless you join the Scottish Rite in the Southern Jurisdiction USA, which I highly recommend!

mike martin
14-04-2008, 05:38 PM
Another Pike quote.

Yes but have you actually read (for yourself) what he wrote?

More importantly do you have an opinion on it?

Does it lead you to believe that there is satanism or devil worship involved?

BTW, I haven't lied to you at all.

AND have you looked into what I suggested on age 13, I notice that you are incredibly quiet about it!!!!

Mike

mike martin
14-04-2008, 05:43 PM
........................

LOL You Masons have said many times that you have your own interpretations of what meanings you derive form certain Masonic techings/mysteris etc, which is different for each individual Mason on certain topics to do with Masonry.

I quote Albert Pike who's was a Mason, and still you shoot me the messener. It's a strange game you play. Is there any sources you'd be happy with, obviouly high degree Masons such as Pike isn't good enough:eek::rolleyes:
That's because although you claim to understand that every Mason is free to further interpret the Ritual in his own way, you still post quotes form Pike as if it means something and he was some kind of uber Masonic authority, that's all.

The Esoteric meaning of Revelations in the high masonic tradition something I posted earlier in this thread(which you pooh poohed and said it was bullshit )has very much the same info that's contained in the Albert Pike quote relating to the 12th degree, so, are you telling porkies, or do you not understand the meanings of your own Masonic teachings? Which is it Danny? If you Masons claim to be honest let's have an honest answer....

There is no "high masonic tradition" it is a thing made up and the fact that it echoes with Pike's writings only shows you what it was based on.

Mike

mike martin
14-04-2008, 05:48 PM
Okay you're the expert.....but don't expect me too all you worshipful master or whatever term is used ;)

I'd imagine that Morals and Dogma is a popular text amongst Masons regardless of Nationality.

It's big book like 5 Bibles in one.

I've read Morals and Dogma twice (I've mentioned this before) and I have my own copy but it is not a masonic "text". You see you use the word "text" as if it's something that all Masons should read.

Albert Pike (despite what you've been fed to date) was in fact a small fish in the rather large pond of Freemasonry! Add to that the fact that he's been dead for nigh on 120 years and you should be able to get a proper grip on his actual influence, very small.

As I keep on saying he has no more influence on the "big picture" of Freemasonry than any other Masonic author and that is little to none.

Mike

danielson23uk
15-04-2008, 01:25 AM
I've read Morals and Dogma twice (I've mentioned this before) and I have my own copy but it is not a masonic "text". You see you use the word "text" as if it's something that all Masons should read.

Albert Pike (despite what you've been fed to date) was in fact a small fish in the rather large pond of Freemasonry! Add to that the fact that he's been dead for nigh on 120 years and you should be able to get a proper grip on his actual influence, very small.

As I keep on saying he has no more influence on the "big picture" of Freemasonry than any other Masonic author and that is little to none.

Mike

His name keeps reappearing Mike (as I'm sure you know but I'm pointing it out for the really thick) because his writings can be molded to suit a conspiracy theory.
I had never even heard of him until after I was a Past Master. His influence on UK (or any other masonry) is nil. And his writings are his own and do not form the definitive representation of Freemasonry. But what's the point. They'll keep quoting him and we'll keep telling them...etc.
I've come to the conclusion that some people would prefer their truth because it's just more interesting than the truth. And there was me naively thinking there was only one truth.

eternal_spirit
15-04-2008, 09:43 PM
So, give a good reason why anyone would make up stories/conspiracies about Freemasons? There has to be some truth in what the conspiracists say.......

eternal_spirit
15-04-2008, 09:45 PM
The Scottish Rite is still an official order Today so of course Pike has relevance.


Quote:
Originally Posted by thelonious http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=333126#post333126)
Morals and Dogmas is not about American History. M&D is the collection of the lectures for the 32 standard degrees of the Scottish Rite of Masonry for the Southern Jurisdiction of the USA.

thelonious
15-04-2008, 09:52 PM
So, give a good reason why anyone would make up stories/conspiracies about Freemasons?

Obviously, if one of the goals of Freemasonry were to be to free an enslaved people, those who have enslaved the people would have to demonize the Freemasons.

After all, that's exactly what happened with the Illuminati. The Illuminati were ready to take up arms in defense of the people. But the people were still pretty superstitious, and generally believed whatever horseshit their local parish priest told them. So the Church was able to create a straw-man Illuminati in their minds, which made the people fear the Illuminati, and support the Church, which had them enslaved.

Also, in today's world of gullibility and yellow journalism, anti-Masonry and conspiracy theories can be profitable businesses.

thelonious
15-04-2008, 09:54 PM
The Scottish Rite is still an official order Today so of course Pike has relevance.



Of course Pike has relevance, at least in the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, USA. I never said he didn't.

I'm a big fan of Pike, he's the writer that made me want to become a Mason. After having read "Morals and Dogma" and his "Legenda of the Scottish Rite", I knew immediately I wanted to join the Masons.

critical_analysis
15-04-2008, 09:58 PM
Obviously, if one of the goals of Freemasonry were to be to free an enslaved people, those who have enslaved the people would have to demonize the Freemasons.

After all, that's exactly what happened with the Illuminati. The Illuminati were ready to take up arms in defense of the people. But the people were still pretty superstitious, and generally believed whatever horseshit their local parish priest told them. So the Church was able to create a straw-man Illuminati in their minds, which made the people fear the Illuminati, and support the Church, which had them enslaved.

Also, in today's world of gullibility and yellow journalism, anti-Masonry and conspiracy theories can be profitable businesses.

Good points!
I have to say that is a very persuasive argument, though the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend, as some like to say. If two cats fight over a mouse, the mouse has no friend here, only the possibility of being eaten by the black one or the tabby.

eternal_spirit
15-04-2008, 10:02 PM
Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma" (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike.htm)

Follow the link above^^^

Or read here

MORALS and DOGMA by ALBERT PIKE

Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry , prepared for the Supreme Council of the Thirty Third Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States: Charleston, 1871.

LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm#lucifer)
bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm#lucifer)
sensual or selfish Souls ? Doubt it not! (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm#lucifer)
http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/pikecoverR.jpg http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/APikeMDfront.jpg MORALS and DOGMA by ALBERT PIKE (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike.htm) SHORT BIOGRAPHY (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apikeintro.html) TITLES OF DEGREES

1º - Apprentice (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike01.htm)
2º - Fellow-craft (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike02.htm)
3º - Master (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike03.htm)
4º - Secret Master (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike04.htm)
5º - Perfect Master (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike04.htm#5)
6º - Intimate Secretary (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike04.htm#6)
7º - Provost and Judge (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike04.htm#7)
8º - Intendant of the Building (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike04.htm#8)
9º - Elu of the Nine (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike04.htm#9)
10º - Elu of the Fifteen (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike05.htm)
11º - Elu of the Twelve (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike05.htm#11)
12º - Master Architect (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike05.htm#12)
13º - Royal Arch of Solomon (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike05.htm#13)
14º - Perfect Elu (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike05.htm#14)
15º - Knight of the East
(http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike06.htm)16º - Prince of Jerusalem (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike06.htm#16)
17º - Knight of the East and West (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike06.htm#17)
18º - Knight Rose Croix (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike06.htm#18)
19º - Pontiff (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm)
20º - Master of the Symbolic Lodge (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm#20)
21º - Noachite or Prussian Knight (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm#21)
22º - Knight of the Royal Axe or Prince of Libanus (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm#22)
23º - Chief of the Tabernacle (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike07.htm#23)
24º - Prince of the Tabernacle (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike08.htm)
25º - Knight of the Brazen Serpent (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike09.htm)
26º - Prince of Mercy (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike10.htm)
27º - Knight Commander of the Temple (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike11.htm)
28º - Knight of the Sun or Prince Adept ( Part 1 ) (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike12.htm)
28º - Knight of the Sun or Prince Adept ( Part 2 ) (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike12a.htm)
28º - Knight of the Sun or Prince Adept ( Part 3 ) (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike12b.htm)
28º - Knight of the Sun or Prince Adept ( Part 4 ) (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike12c.htm)
30º - Knight Kadosh (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike13.htm#30)
31º - Inspector Inquistor (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike13.htm#31)
32º - Master of the Royal Secret (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/apike13.htm#32) THE CHURCH OF ROME AND FREEMASONRY (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/aqc.html) SO MOTE IT BE (http://www.illuminati-news.com/e-books/morals-dogma/ode.html)

mike martin
15-04-2008, 10:48 PM
Good points!
I have to say that is a very persuasive argument, though the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend, as some like to say. If two cats fight over a mouse, the mouse has no friend here, only the possibility of being eaten by the black one or the tabby.

yeah but how worried would the mouse be when he realised that one of the cats had been dead for 200 years and the other was a figment of his mate's imagination.:rolleyes::D


Mike

mike martin
15-04-2008, 11:09 PM
A link to an incomplete Morals and Dogma
ES,
I don't understand what you are tryingto achieve with the link! Or are you (like your suppliers) hoping that no one will actually read the book and rely on that one misquote to prove the point. Which when put back into its acual context in the book says:


Therefore faint not, nor be weary in well-doing! Be not dis-
couraged at men's apathy, nor disgusted with their follies, nor
tired of their indifference! Care not for returns and results;but
see only what there is to do, and do it, leaving the results to God!
Soldier of the Cross! Sworn Knight of Justice, Truth, and Tol-
eration! Good Knight and True!be patient and work!
The Apocalypse, that sublime Kabalistic and prophetic Sum-
mary of all the occult figures, divides its images into three Sep-
tenaries, after each of which there is silence in Heaven. There
are Seven Seals to be opened, that is to say, Seven mysteries to
know, and Seven difficulties to overcome, Seven trumpets to
sound, and Seven cups to empty.

The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree,
the Apothesis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone,
and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the
Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit
of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who
bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble,
sensual or selfish Souls ? Doubt it not! for traditions are full of
Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of
one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired.

What I really noticed was that your supplier failed to include an important part of the book, that might have helped you to an accurate uderstanding of the authority of the book and its author. That being the Preface, which says this (I have highlighted the bits in need of your particular attention:

THE following work has been prepared by authority of the Supreme Council of the Thirty-third Degree, for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, by the Grand Commander, and is now published by its direction. It contains the Lectures of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite in that jurisdiction, and is specially intended to be read and studied by the Brethren of that obedience, in connection with the Rituals of the Degrees. It is hoped and expected that each will furnish himself with a copy, and make himself familiar with it; for which purpose, as the cost of the work consists entirely in the printing and binding, it will be furnished at a price as moderate as possible. No individual will receive pecuniary profit from it, except the agents for its sale.

It has been copyrighted, to prevent its republication elsewhere, and the copyright, like those of all the other works prepared for the Supreme Council, has been assigned to Trustees for that Body. Whatever profits may accrue from it will be devoted to purposes of charity.

The Brethren of the Rite in the United States and Canada will be afforded the opportunity to purchase it, nor is it forbidden that other Masons shall; but they will not be solicited to do so.

In preparing this work, the Grand Commander has been about equally Author and Compiler; since he has extracted quite half its contents from the works of the best writers and most philosophic or eloquent thinkers. Perhaps it would have been better and more acceptable if he had extracted more and written less.

Still, perhaps half of it is his own; and, in incorporating here the thoughts and words of others, he has continually changed and added to the language, often intermingling, in the same sentences, his own words with theirs. It not being intended for the world at large, he has felt at liberty to make, from all accessible sources, a Compendium of the Morals and Dogma of the Rite, to re-mould sentences, change and add to words and phrases, combine them with his own, and use them as if they were his own, to be dealt with at his pleasure and so availed of as to make the whole most valuable for the purposes intended. He claims, therefore, little of the merit of authorship, and has not cared to distinguish his own from that which he has taken from other sources, being quite willing that every portion of the book, in turn, may be regarded as borrowed from some old and better writer.

The teachings of these Readings are not sacramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrine, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment. Of course, the ancient theosophic and philosophic speculations are not embodied as part of the doctrines of the Rite; but because it is of interest and profit to know what the Ancient Intellect thought upon these subjects, and because nothing so conclusively proves the radical difference between our human and the animal nature, as the capacity of the human mind to entertain such speculations in regard to itself and the Deity. But as to these opinions themselves, we may say, in the words of the learned Canonist, Ludovicus Gomez: "Opiniones secundum varietatem temporum senescant et intermoriantur, aliæque diversæ vel prioribus contrariæ renascantur et deinde pubescant."

Which brings me back to the point I keep on making which is that you should really try to find some unbiased information if you are ever going to get anywhere near the truth.

Mike

mike martin
15-04-2008, 11:35 PM
The Scottish Rite is still an official order Today so of course Pike has relevance.

YES, as we keep telling you he has relevance for the AASR Southern Jurisdiction of the US.

Here in England we do even not have the Scottish Rite, we have a similar system called the Ancient & Accepted Rite, so he has no relevance here at all. If you read my response above about M&D you will get a better picture of how much authority his book had as well.

Mike

thelucifer
17-04-2008, 05:24 AM
YES, as we keep telling you he has relevance for the AASR Southern Jurisdiction of the US.

Here in England we do even not have the Scottish Rite, we have a similar system called the Ancient & Accepted Rite, so he has no relevance here at all. If you read my response above about M&D you will get a better picture of how much authority his book had as well.

Mike


I have a copy of M&D, Im half way through it, I think it is a very good read. I think everyone should read it. I have Clausen's Commentary as well, and other stuff of course.
Pike is the top dog of Washington.
Entombed in the Supreme Temple.

The book is about the ancient religions relevant to Masonry (via degrees in a way) and the similarities/connectedness of those religions, Masonry being the end result.

I would not give much attention to the lucifer quote, Albert says other stuff I find much more worthy of note (not that that has to be bad).

I think the fact he was racist should be of note, and I dont buy the "it was a different time" nonsense.

chrism
17-04-2008, 12:52 PM
I think the fact he was racist should be of note, and I dont buy the "it was a different time" nonsense.

I take your point, but in those days racism as a concept did not really exist. The difference within society at the time was that while these people we able to talk and work, they were basically a different species. If you can imagine a world in 200 years time where dogs have equal rights to humans, how would the population of the future think of the way we treat these 'pets' now?

I don't mean to be argumentative, but the civil rights movement forced a paradigm shift in the way we think of different races - as exactly that. Races, not sub-species. Racism is just a name we have tagged on to intollerance based on skin colour or genealogical background. It is a form of hatred. I don't accept that all people of the past who would be considered racist by modern society actually hated the black people - they didn't see them as human which is a big difference. The hatred came about when whites became upset by what they perceived as a sub-species claiming the same rights as them.

Nasty subject, I know - but understanding is the key to development.

Chrism

Chrism

barney_rubble
17-04-2008, 01:50 PM
Pike Pike Pike.
Why does Pike keep comming up.
I had started to read M&D I while bak but it is a difficult read what with all the 18th century (American) english and references to other works I had not read.

That said it is an interesting read with interesting ideas. Pike did believe that if we (humanity) could understand the belief and moral systems of the past and how they relate to ours of today we would be better for it.

Know this statement that Pike was a racist. Here is a quote from masonicinfo.com:
[Some hve chareged] that Albert Pike - known for his leadership in the late 1800's of Scottish Rite Masonry in the Southern (US) Jurisdiction - founded or was a founder of the Ku Klux Klan.

What they fail to mention, however, is that the Klan began in 1866-7 and was "founded" by 6 young men, veterans of the Confederate cause, but whose motives were unclear: whether it was some kind of racist joke or a true racist group. In 1869, Grand Wizard Nathan B. Forrest disbanded the organization because it had become uncontrollable. It wasn't until 1915 (well after Pike's death in 1891) that the Klan in its second form reappeared. That group was bankrupted by the U. S. Government in the 1940s and the racist group which exists today has only the connection of a name similarity to the original group.

Many anti-Masons also ignore the fact that Pike was so well respected by the United States that a major statue of him sits in Judiciary Square in Washington, DC today. Although he, like so many other Confederate military officers, was initially charged with Treason, those charges were dropped and today, his statue is the only one of a Confederate General in Washington! (Some, of course, will use this fact as fodder for their belief in the 'Great Masonic Conspiracy' theory....)

After the Civil War, the United States remained philosophically divided. Those who fought on the Confederate side felt wronged and betrayed. Despite the actions of the Union toward reconciliation, they were disenfranchised and angry. Many organizations such as the KKK were founded in the South at this time and many prominent citizens chose membership. To single out Pike for this is not only silly but ignorant of the circumstances of history.

It is also interesting to note that there is no mention of Pike whatsoever in the various contemporaneous Congressional hearings - a fact that seems highly peculiar if there was any suspicion at all that Pike might have been the Klan's Chief Judicial Officer as some have claimed.

Particularly in light of Pike's extensive work with and support of the American Indian (another group which engendered strong feelings of hate at that time), it is false to claim that Pike would be involved in the subjugation of ANY person.

Suffice it to say: when the Ku Klux Klan appeared in its present form, Albert Pike had been dead for some 24 years!

thelucifer
18-04-2008, 09:15 PM
Pike Pike Pike.
Why does Pike keep comming up.
I had started to read M&D I while bak but it is a difficult read what with all the 18th century (American) english and references to other works I had not read.

That said it is an interesting read with interesting ideas. Pike did believe that if we (humanity) could understand the belief and moral systems of the past and how they relate to ours of today we would be better for it.

Know this statement that Pike was a racist. Here is a quote from masonicinfo.com:
[Some hve chareged] that Albert Pike - known for his leadership in the late 1800's of Scottish Rite Masonry in the Southern (US) Jurisdiction - founded or was a founder of the Ku Klux Klan.

What they fail to mention, however, is that the Klan began in 1866-7 and was "founded" by 6 young men, veterans of the Confederate cause, but whose motives were unclear: whether it was some kind of racist joke or a true racist group. In 1869, Grand Wizard Nathan B. Forrest disbanded the organization because it had become uncontrollable. It wasn't until 1915 (well after Pike's death in 1891) that the Klan in its second form reappeared. That group was bankrupted by the U. S. Government in the 1940s and the racist group which exists today has only the connection of a name similarity to the original group.

Many anti-Masons also ignore the fact that Pike was so well respected by the United States that a major statue of him sits in Judiciary Square in Washington, DC today. Although he, like so many other Confederate military officers, was initially charged with Treason, those charges were dropped and today, his statue is the only one of a Confederate General in Washington! (Some, of course, will use this fact as fodder for their belief in the 'Great Masonic Conspiracy' theory....)

After the Civil War, the United States remained philosophically divided. Those who fought on the Confederate side felt wronged and betrayed. Despite the actions of the Union toward reconciliation, they were disenfranchised and angry. Many organizations such as the KKK were founded in the South at this time and many prominent citizens chose membership. To single out Pike for this is not only silly but ignorant of the circumstances of history.

It is also interesting to note that there is no mention of Pike whatsoever in the various contemporaneous Congressional hearings - a fact that seems highly peculiar if there was any suspicion at all that Pike might have been the Klan's Chief Judicial Officer as some have claimed.

Particularly in light of Pike's extensive work with and support of the American Indian (another group which engendered strong feelings of hate at that time), it is false to claim that Pike would be involved in the subjugation of ANY person.

Suffice it to say: when the Ku Klux Klan appeared in its present form, Albert Pike had been dead for some 24 years!

KKK, its been said Pike was a Grand Dragon of the KKK and took part in its Judiciary structure which makes the fact of the statue facing Judiciary Square rich with coincidence.

A point of interest is, Freemasonry denied Blacks, Freemasonry (the great white throne) was/is racist.

the guy in pink
19-04-2008, 01:16 PM
KKK, its been said Pike was a Grand Dragon of the KKK and took part in its Judiciary structure which makes the fact of the statue facing Judiciary Square rich with coincidence.
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It's also been said (AND CAN BE PROVED) that by the time the KKK appeared in it's present form Pike had been dead 24 years!

snoopsnuffleopagus
20-04-2008, 05:08 PM
It's claimed, by some that the Kaballah and even Freemasonry, is the science that inspired the Bible but this cannot be the case. The Bible is a complex book but imagine it, for the moment, as a taxi with the driver as God in the front seat!

The human being, with its unique consciousness, is priceless but it finds itself in a reality that appears foreign to its nature. It's difficult to imagine that such a priceless consciousness could be placed in a world foreign to its own nature without some form of guidebook to carry it through to its true destiny and its true home (Dorothy, in "The Wizard of Oz", is a metaphor for humanity's journey through this foreign fantasy land that we know as our world... a world ruled by Wizards who follow Oz-iris through the occult Dragon inspired ancient Mystery School teachings). Such a handbook, for guiding humanity through the world of gross matter, is the Bible...

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Above: In Kansas, before being swept up into the serpentine coils of the destructive cyclone that transported Dorothy and dropped her off into the Land of Oz-iris, Dorothy came across a fortune telling gypsy in a caravan. In the reversed consciousness mind play, this same gypsy, in Kansas, turned out to be none other than the Wizard in the land of Oz. In Baum's original story and in the film, the Land of Oz is revealed as a mirror image of Kansas.

In the Garden of Eden, which can be seen as a metaphor based on a layer of reality, God told Eve not to eat from the "fruit" of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Kabbalah is considered to be a Tree that offers insights into hidden Creation but the world it reveals is a only reflection, a mirror image of what lies above, which is the word of God.

For example, if one looks at oneself in a mirror, one can see oneself in many aspects but its not the real you because the reflection one is seeing is back to front and, therefore, only a virtual representation of reality.

So it is with the Kabbalah and this is the reason why God forbade Eve to delve into the magic mirror image of Creation. The mirror image of Creation will lead a human being astray; astray into dark surreal worlds where everything is upside down and back to front; down the rabbit whole, so to speak. Hence, God is portrayed as a liar and the Dragon or Serpent, is portrayed as the hero.

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Down the rabbit hole, morals too are reversed, so that where many things are forbidden by God for good reason, the Kabbalah encourages the idea that man is god and that he can do as he wilt because its all par for the course, "in the course of challenging man to become stronger" but that is a lie and of course, Eve suffered the consequences, for choosing to be taken in by the Serpent, by falling down the rabbit hole.

The fall from the paradise state (the expulsion from Kansas into the land of Oz, in the allegory of L. Frank Baum's, "The 'Wonderful' Wizard of Oz") also explains to romantic lovers why the world we inhabit today appears so upside down and back to front, both morally and politically because the rulers of the world all follow the Dragon/Serpent, and with this Dragon comes the knowledge of the Lucifer Serpent's belief system. This belief system, often dressed up as science and philosophy that the Dragon/Serpent spews from its mouth, is the venom of the Kabbalah and the Babylonian Mystery School of the occult, and the twilight world of the obverse knowledge of Creation.

The Bible, to return to the metaphor I mentioned at the start of this post, is like a luxury taxi, and we don't have to look into its engine, in order for us to be guided comfortably along the path of Creation because the taxi ain't broken.

There's nothing wrong with investigating the Kabbalah to understand why it's at the root of the conspiracy that rules our world, BUT, as soon as one lifts the bonnet on this luxury 'taxi', namely the Bible and God's Creation, and as soon as one takes the concepts found therein as a belief system, then one will be instantly misled because what is perceived there can only be an illusory virtual reality, whereby everything works in reverse. So instead of proceeding forward, in the evolution of life, spiritually and in reality, one will be regressing backwards, whether one accepts that consciously or not, instead of moving forwards, into God's promised future Kingdom, which is where we ought to be aiming for, if we get into the back seat of the 'luxury taxi of life' that is the Bible.



It's no accident that the architects of the "new" world order agenda follow the ancient Mystery School teachings of the High Priestess, who is the light of the Kabbalah. But the "new" world order is an illusory dream, a virtual reality paradigm, created and inspired by the Serpent to shepherd humanity into a substitute kingdom to the one promised by God and which is revealed so vividly in the Bible, particularly in the books of Isaiah and Revelation. The Serpent wishes us to be shepherded into its specially prepared "new" world order", the culmination of the Matrix that is already very much all around us; a Matrix which is fundamentally the product of occult ancient Mystery School sorcery, which can be found in so many occult secretive societies, and also behind so many agendas linked to the "new" world order agenda.

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Above: The High Priestess card in the Waite-Colman Smith Tarot's deck

In the Freemason Waite-Colman Smith Tarot deck, designed in the early 1900s, the High Priestess, with the moon on her head, is portrayed sitting between the two pillars of Boaz and Jachin, of Solomon's Temple (God didn't wish Solomon's Temple to be built) holding the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. This is a major piece of evidence that the Kabbalah is inextricably linked to and inseparable from, the Bible.

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Above: The Masonic Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon's official seal. Notice the seal is almost identical to Freemason Waite's High Priestess Tarot card. Interestingly, it's green. In "The Wizard of Oz", everything in the Emerald City, which is a metaphor for the NWO, is also green. Osiris is the Green man of the so-called Mysteries. Image Source (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/grandlodge.html)

The Kabbalah could not exist without the Bible but the high Priestess is the moon goddess who receives her glory from the Sun. From a spiritual perspective, however, the Sun is only a metaphor for God. There are billions of suns in our cosmos but there is only one God and he is far beyond our sun and the physically visible universe.

Therefore, to follow the teachings of the High Priestess, and therefore by default, the teachings of Sophia, Gnosticism, Luciferianism and the Kabbalah, is to follow the teachings of a reflection of God's Light that is upside down and reversed - a green, virtual reality illusion that only appears to be real - all that glitters is not gold.

The High Priestess of the Kabbalah, and by default the queen of the mirror image of the Bible, is a glittering, seductive paramour, who has the ability to seduce even the brightest and most intelligent of men into the false illusions of the twilight zone. Even those who think they are the most genuine in their inquiries can be seduced by her! It is, then, hardly surprising that we find that some of the most celebrated and brainiest figures in the history of humanity, have been seduced into the teachings of the Luciferian path and into the embrace of the Kabbalah and into occult secret societies such as Freemasonry.






This is why it is reccomended to: Have 30 THIRTY-40 FOURTY YEARS OF STUDY OF THE TORAH BEFORE STUDY OF THE KABBALA

megafish33
21-04-2008, 12:05 AM
This is why it is reccomended to: Have 30 THIRTY-40 FOURTY YEARS OF STUDY OF THE TORAH BEFORE STUDY OF THE KABBALA

I've heard the same thing... that all of this pop-kabbalah is mostly bogus and should be studied in the traditional fashion for one to property grasp the concepts and experiences.

chrism
21-04-2008, 12:09 PM
I've heard the same thing... that all of this pop-kabbalah is mostly bogus and should be studied in the traditional fashion for one to property grasp the concepts and experiences.

I agree. It is a fashion for many of those using it - akin to sitting on a beanbag, chanting 'Ommmmmm' and calling yourself Grasshopper. It doesn't matter how loud you chant, without the teachings and proper understanding, it's just noise.

I'm glad someone raised the point though... education and understanding are the key points here.

Chrism

mike martin
21-04-2008, 08:59 PM
A point of interest is, Freemasonry denied Blacks, Freemasonry (the great white throne) was/is racist.

Point of order!

Correction!

Freemasonry in America was segregated. Freemasonry in the rest of the world has had no such bar.

If you were to actually look into the history of the Prince Hall Affiliation (African American) Masons, you will find that Prince Hall was made a Mason by Irish Military Masons and the Warrant for Africa Lodge No.1 was issued by the Grand Lodge of England.

Mike

thelucifer
21-04-2008, 11:37 PM
Point of order!

Correction!

Freemasonry in America was segregated.


Yes, Im in America, its easy to forget having to make that point.

thelonious
22-04-2008, 02:22 PM
Yes, Im in America, its easy to forget having to make that point.

You also didn't make the point that restaurants and public water fountains in the USA were segregated as well. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should stop eating or drinking.

barney_rubble
22-04-2008, 03:10 PM
Yes, Im in America, its easy to forget having to make that point.

You also didn't make the point that that wound too Freemasonry is being mended.

The issue of "regular" v.s."Prince Hall" masonry in the US is a long and complicated one. One that has much to do with racism (in the beginning IMO) and later to do with tradition, recognition and territorial boundaries (i.e. which Grand lodge rules in a given region).

There are 12 (perhaps 11 see NOTE) "regular" Grand Lodges that do not recognize Prince Hall Masonry
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Blue jurisdiction regonise Prince Hall Masonry - white do not

Suffice it to say men of colour are not barred from joining "regular" lodges and men lacking in colour are not barred from joining "Prince Hall" lodges. (In the Blue juristictions noted above).

NOTE: Another happy note - see link
Prince Hall Florida UNILATERALLY recognizes Grand Lodge of Florida (http://beaconofmasoniclight.blogspot.com/2008/04/prince-hall-grand-lodge-of-florida.html)

NOTE2: The term "regular" v.s. "Prince Hall" masonry is a contentious one. It may be argued that "Prince Hall" masonry is regular since it was warrented bu UGLE.

SHORT HISTORY OF PRINCE HALL MASONRY

1. On 29 September 1784 a warrant was granted by the premier Grand Lodge of England to 15 men in Boston, Massachusetts (including Bro Hall, whose first name was Prince) forming them into African Lodge, No. 459 on the English Register.

2. African Lodge contributed to the Charity Fund until 1797 and was in correspondence with the Grand Secretary until the early 19th Century. Grand Lodge's letter books for this period are, however, incomplete and it is not impossible that correspondence on both sides may have seemed to have been ignored. After 1802, largely due to effect on transport to and communications with North America of the Napoleonic War, contact was lost.

3. In 1797 African Lodge, contrary to the terms of its warrant and the English Book of Constitutions by which it was bound, gave authority to two groups of men to meet as Lodges: African Lodge No. 459B to meet at Philadelphia in Pennsylvania and Hiram Lodge (without a number) to meet at Providence, Rhode island. Authority may have been given to others after 1808.

4. At the amalgamation of the two Registers after the Union of the two Grand Lodges in England in 1813, African Lodge (and many others at home and abroad) was omitted from the register, there having been no contact for many years. [This was the start of the regularity issues for Prince Hall.]African Lodge was, however, not formally erased.

5. What is now the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania was formed in 1815.

6. In 1827, having been refused acknowledgment by the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts, African Lodge declared itself to be an independent Grand Lodge, the African Grand Lodge of Massachusetts. African Lodge was then (or later) disbanded.

7. In the 1830s and 1840s the new Grand Lodge and other Lodges which it had formed made various unsuccessful attempts to form a National African Grand Lodge. The style "Prince Hall Grand Lodge" became current in the 1840s, Prince Hall Grand Lodges were formed and survive in most of the United States of America. Some Lodges work overseas, especially in the West Indies.

8. All Prince Hall Grand Lodges are descended from what is now the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts

barney_rubble
22-04-2008, 03:45 PM
By the way my juristiction, the "Grand Lodge of Canada in the Province of Ontario",
recognizes Prince Hall Freemasonry (see link)

1st Prince Hall Meeting (http://grandlodge.on.ca/Public_Relations/1PrinceHallMeeting.htm)

geronimo
22-04-2008, 06:48 PM
A Modern Invention?
"The legend of the Master-Builder [Hiram Abiff] is the great allegory of Masonry. It happens that his figurative story is grounded on the fact of a personality mentioned in Holy Scripture, but this historical background is of the accidents and not the essence; the significance is in the allegory and not in any point of history which may lie behind it."
- A.E. Waite, New Encyclopedia of Freemasonry


The legend of Hiram Abiff is closely tied to the origins of German Templarism.

"Some of these seventeenth-century manuscripts [preserving the 'Old Charges'] do not refer to Hiram Abif, which has led some to believe that the character was an invention of this relatively recent period. However, the name Hiram Abif was only one designation for this central figure; he is also referred to as Aymon, Aymen, Amnon, A Man or Amen and sometimes Bennaim. It is said that Amen is said to be the Hebrew word for 'the trusted one' or 'the faithful one', which fits the role of Hiram Abif perfectly. But we also know that Amon or Amen is the name of the ancient creator god of Thebes, the city of Sequenere Tao II. Could there be an ancient linkage here?"

- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

A Connection with the Mystery Religions

"To the initiated Builder the name Hiram Abiff signifies 'My Father, the Universal Spirit, one in essence, three in aspect.' Thus the murdered Master is a type of the Cosmic Martyr - the crucified Spirit of Good, the dying god - whose Mystery is celebrated throughout the world."

"The efforts made to discover the origin of the Hiramic legend show that, while the legend in its present form is comparatively modern, its underlying principles run back to remotest antiquity. It is generally admitted by modern Masonic scholars that the story of the martyred Hiram is based upon the Egyptian rites of Osiris, whose death and resurrection figuratively portrayed the spiritual death of man and his regeneration through initiation into the Mysteries. Hiram is also identified with Hermes through the inscription on the Emerald Tablet." - Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy

"According to scripture, Hiram was not an architect but a master worker in brass and bronze. He was not murdered but lived to see the temple completed and then went back to his home."
- Baigent & Leigh, The Temple and the Lodge

Sequenere Tao II?

"The only reasonable explanation that we had come across regarding the actual name of the Masonic hero was that Hiram meant 'noble' or 'kingly' in Hebrew, while Abif has been identified as old French for 'lost one', giving a literal description of 'the king that was lost'."

- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

Knight and Lomas advance the theory that Hiram Abif was actually Sequenere Tao II, the true Egyptian king who lived at Thebes, four hundred miles south of the Hyksos capital at Avaris, near the end of Hyksos rule. Sequenere was the "new king over Egypt, that knew not Joseph", who was vizier around 1570 B.C.E. Apophis, they speculate, wanted to know the secret rites of Horus, which allowed the pharaohs in death to become Osiris and live eternally as a star. Apophis sent henchmen to extract the information from Sequenere, but he died from violent blows on the head rather than divulge anything.
The identification of Hiram Abif as Sequenere is based on the skull of the mummy, which appears to have been smashed by three sharp blows, similar to those dealt Hiram Abif. And the killers described in Masonic lore as the Juwes? Knight and Lomas suggest that they were two of Joseph's estranged brothers, Simeon and Levi, assisted by a young Thebian priest. As evidence, Knight and Lomas point to a mummy found alongside that of Sequenere. The unembalmed body was that of a young man who died with his genitals cut off and his face contorted in agony. Was he buried alive in punishment for his crime?

"Masonic ritual refers to Hiram Abif as the 'Son of the Widow'...In Egyptian legend the first Horus was uniquely conceived after his father's death and therefore his mother was a widow even before his conception. It seemed logical therefore that all those who thereafter became Horus, i.e. the kings of Egypt, would also describe themselves as 'Son of the Widow'." [See Isis, the Black Virgin for more information.]
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

A Sufi Martyr?

Sufi martyr Husayn ibn Mansur al-Hallaj, who died in 922 CE "bore some interesting parallels to the Old Testament's descriptions of Hiram the artificer: first, both men were sons of widows; second, both men had 'sons of David' play key roles in their lives (Hiram worked for Solomon, and one of Hallaj's prosecutors was named Ibn Daud [Massignon, Hallaj: Mystic and Martyr 1994], which is Arabic for 'Son of David'), and third, the Old Testament Hebrew for 'Abiff' is abyu (Kohlenberger, ed. The New International Version Hebrew-English Interlinear Old Testament 1987).

- Frater Baraka, IV, "Baphomet: A 'Mystery' Solved At Last?"

Thank you, Lydia, for this fascinating information. The connection of Hiram with Osiris is significant and there is now some emerging evidence that, encoded in various Hollywood films and productions like the X-Files, there is a strong undercurrent of Osiris-Isis Mystery School archetype symbolism, which seems specifically designed to trigger themes buried deep in the Jungian Collective Unconscious, or the Biological Internet, if you like.
I think there is an undercurrent of mystery school, mythological programming going on in modern-day films which most people are unaware of.
I would also like to point out an interesting synchronicity with regard to Rosslyn Chapel. There is an extraordinary carved stone pillar, a decorative spiral winding as if from the roots of a tree up to the vault of heaven. At the base can be seen creatures which might be described as reptilian in appearance. The Apprentice who carved this white pillar was killed by a blow to the head from the Master Mason who, returning from a journey was apparently jealous of the man's skill which superceded his own.
Is there not an echo here of Hiram Abif? We should consider that the Sinclair family played a major role in Masonry... when researching my own family history I was curious to discover possible Sinclair roots.
Whatever, there are good artistic and cultural reasons for a visit to Rosslyn, which has an interesting mix of pagan and Christian elements. According to Freemasons who have been trying to obtain permission to excavate the vaults, so far all that has happened is a fibre-optic cable camera was drilled through a metre of stone to encounter... dust. Hmm. I'm sure there's more than that. Perhaps a copper scroll, perhaps buried knights, who knows?
I once had an interesting lucid dream about Rosslyn.
I dreamt I was in a subterranean room like a chapel, with a stone altar. On the walls were draped beautiful tapestries. I remember seeing red and green griffins on a white silk background which came alive and started moving.

geronimo

geronimo
22-04-2008, 08:06 PM
Obviously, if one of the goals of Freemasonry were to be to free an enslaved people, those who have enslaved the people would have to demonize the Freemasons.

After all, that's exactly what happened with the Illuminati. The Illuminati were ready to take up arms in defense of the people. But the people were still pretty superstitious, and generally believed whatever horseshit their local parish priest told them. So the Church was able to create a straw-man Illuminati in their minds, which made the people fear the Illuminati, and support the Church, which had them enslaved.

Also, in today's world of gullibility and yellow journalism, anti-Masonry and conspiracy theories can be profitable businesses.

You think the Church is the only way to enslave people? I somehow doubt it. And please, dispense with this endlessly overhyped 'conspiracy theory' phrase. We both know it's used as a tar brush to paint anyone who thinks differently as a nutter, and we both know there are real conspiracies, both in the past, and right now, that people really ought to know about.

You don't give any credence to the suggestion, then, that Freemasonry derives from Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati - the original source of the Skull And Bones secret society which both Bush and Kerry - so-called 'opposing candidates' were/are members and refuse to discuss, the Illuminati whos writings were supported and funded by aristocratic and royal families?
You say the Illuminati were ready to take up arms in defence of the people? Really? since when? where's the evidence for this?
I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the origins of Freemasonry. Where does it come from, how old is it?

geronimo

mike martin
22-04-2008, 08:17 PM
You don't give any credence to the suggestion, then, that Freemasonry derives from Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati - the original source of the Skull And Bones secret society which both Bush and Kerry - so-called 'opposing candidates' were/are members and refuse to discuss, the Illuminati whos writings were supported and funded by aristocratic and royal families?
It doesn't take much thought to realise that it is impossible for Freemasonry to have derived from either the Illuminati or Skull and Bones.

Freemasonry was around before the instigators of both those organisations were a twinkle in their Daddies' eyes.

Elias Ashmole was made a Freemason in 1646! Have you never come across this?

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the origins of Freemasonry. Where does it come from, how old is it?

I'd say have a read of the previous threads where these things have already been copiously covered.

Mike

eternal_spirit
22-04-2008, 10:54 PM
http://crossbearer-brian.tripod.com/id26.htm

whatsontv
23-04-2008, 12:27 AM
Hey Lydster honey :D

Wow, this is some thread, nice work!!:D Apologies but I haven't had chance to read it all yet so have just been skimming it so far....

Although I haven't really looked indepth into FM's, but in response to this comment.... when Lotts & I were checking out the IoW masons, there was something on their website about a new recruitment campaign & angles they could pursue to attract newbies. So this would indicate to me that they're trying a new approach, which is possibly why this guy is going public... But Myspace, lol????!!!!:eek::rolleyes:

It's a fact. Recruitment is ongoing. More members are needed to overcome the reduction in numbers due to age, cost, etc. etc.

eternal_spirit
23-04-2008, 12:30 AM
It's a fact. Recruitment is ongoing. More members are needed to overcome the reduction in numbers due to age, cost, etc. etc.

................

And exposure ;)

whatsontv
23-04-2008, 12:52 AM
................

And exposure ;)

Most (not all) UK masons are quite happy to have their membership known.
I'm not sure if exposure is a cause for the ongoing reduction in membership.;)

I've just started to read through the vast amount of info that Lydia posted to start this thread and am finding it all very interesting indeed.

barney_rubble
23-04-2008, 01:56 AM
It's a fact. Recruitment is ongoing. More members are needed to overcome the reduction in numbers due to age, cost, etc. etc.


In Ontario it is a Masonic offence to recruit. It can get you kick out.

whatsontv
23-04-2008, 12:16 PM
In Ontario it is a Masonic offence to recruit. It can get you kick out.

You are right. The use of the word 'Recruitment' was incorrect. Perhaps a better word would have been Information. There are active efforts to provide more information about Freemasonry. Open days, information evenings, press offices - all attempts to ensure that positives are stressed. In particular, emphasis on openness. Each constitution to its own but I think that a threat of being 'kicked out' is maybe a little harsh.

thelonious
23-04-2008, 02:43 PM
You think the Church is the only way to enslave people?

No I don't, and never said so.


You don't give any credence to the suggestion, then, that Freemasonry derives from Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati

Absolutely not. Freemasonry was around long before Weishaupt was born. Weishaupt himself became a Mason soon after he founded the Illuminati.

- the original source of the Skull And Bones secret society which both Bush and Kerry - so-called 'opposing candidates' were/are members and refuse to discuss, the Illuminati whos writings were supported and funded by aristocratic and royal families?

1. The Illuminati was not the "original source" of Skull and Bones. In fact, it wasn't any kind of source.

2. Aristocratic families did not support the Illuminati; in fact, they generally declared war against the Illuminati, and had Illuminati members arrested, jailed, and tortured.

You say the Illuminati were ready to take up arms in defence of the people? Really? since when? where's the evidence for this?

That was the entire reason for them existing. The Illuminati was founded in order to promote the complete separation of church and state, freedom of religion, and democratic government. You have to remember that at that time in Bavaria, none of that existed. After Weishaupt was fired from his university professorship for promoting liberalism, he saw a need for a revolutionary society. He was influenced by the American Revolution, which was going on in the colonies, and thought that the Illuminati could also organize a fight for freedom in Germany. Weishaupt later published all of his ideas in his memoires, published under the title "In Defense of Illuminsim", written while he was in exile.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the origins of Freemasonry. Where does it come from, how old is it?


The oldest known Masonic document is called the Regius Manuscript, and is dated circa 1390 A.D. However, this manuscript describes a Masonic meeting held in York England in 980 A.D., during the reign of King Athelstane, who is said in the manuscript to have been firm supporter of the Craft.

The origins of Freemasonry are found in the stonemasons guild of medieval England.

whatsontv
24-04-2008, 01:02 AM
Is there any rivalry with The Grand Lodge of all England & The Grand Lodge of England?

Not sure if 'rivalry' quite explains it!
The United Grand Lodge of All England seems (I'm sure someone is about to correct me!) to be a sort of 'splinter group'. It was founded (or re-founded) just a few years ago (2005 I think) but claims to have been originally founded over a thousand years ago. It is based in York.
The United Grand Lodge of England is the umbrella body over all 'regular' freemasonry in England, Wales and Territories Overseas. It is based in London.
From what I remember, The Grand Lodge of All England has more of a problem with The Grand Lodge of England than vice versa. But I think that is mostly because the former is quite a small organisation compared to the latter.:)

mike martin
24-04-2008, 07:05 PM
Is there any rivalry with The Grand Lodge of all England & The Grand Lodge of England?

No, not at all. That's not the way of Masonry.

It is an unrecognised Grand Lodge (just like the so-called Regular Grand Lodge of England) so we have no dealings with it.

Although to be honest it is tiny and most of its impact is on the Web.


Mike

eternal_spirit
28-05-2008, 08:58 PM
I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood **"--the "Illustrious" Manly Palmer Hall 33°, _The Secret Teachings of All Ages_

quoting a ritual from the book The Complete Book of Magic Science by Francis Barrett:

Barret Mason or?

tubbyboy
29-05-2008, 12:47 PM
another potato thread by mike mince the mason, mince & potatoes mike

I understood every word individually in that reply but I still cannot make any sense out of them when they were put into that order.

Can anyone help?

Tubs

(You can help me or him, I don't mind)

barney_rubble
13-06-2008, 10:02 PM
In answer to this thread "Masonic beliefs and practices".

Here is it is from the horses mouth!

And when I say horse I mean the "Grand lodge of Maine"
The Grand lodge of Maine has decided to put their book of Constitution online directly accessible on a public page. As far as i can tell this is intentional.

One note: This is the Constitution for the Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons of the State of Maine. It contains the rules for that jurisdiction only. Each and every other jurisdiction in the world will have its own Constitution.

Here it is:
http://www.mainemason.org/resources/constitution/index.asp

Now does this jive with your preconceived beliefs of Freemasonry??

__________________________________________________ __________

Strangely, it does not dictate on how to dispose of all the bodies from the child sacrifices?

boots
14-06-2008, 03:39 PM
In answer to this thread "Masonic beliefs and practices".

Here is it is from the horses mouth!

And when I say horse I mean the "Grand lodge of Maine"
The Grand lodge of Maine has decided to put their book of Constitution online directly accessible on a public page. As far as i can tell this is intentional.

One note: This is the Constitution for the Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons of the State of Maine. It contains the rules for that jurisdiction only. Each and every other jurisdiction in the world will have its own Constitution.

Here it is:
http://www.mainemason.org/resources/constitution/index.asp

Now does this jive with your preconceived beliefs of Freemasonry??

__________________________________________________ __________

Strangely, it does not dictate on how to dispose of all the bodies from the child sacrifices?



It doesn't.

It would have been all candied up for the public:rolleyes:

barney_rubble
16-06-2008, 05:59 PM
It doesn't.

It would have been all candied up for the public:rolleyes:

Did you even read it. No - I doubt it because there are some juicy tid-bits in there that contradict what some freemasons have been telling you.

You will have to find those Tid-bits yourself.

I MUST POINT OUT: These "tid-bits" are (as far as I know only true under the Grand Lodge of Maine. They are not included in my GL's Constitution.

Before you ask that is the "Grand Lodge Ancient Free and Accepted Masons of Canada in the Province of Ontario".

thelonious
17-06-2008, 02:50 PM
It doesn't.

It would have been all candied up for the public:rolleyes:

So if it doesn't conform to your pre-conceived notions, then it must be "candied up"? Interesting.

In reality, the Constitutions of the Grand Lodges are the ultimate law in Freemasonry. All of them are based on the Masonic Constitutions published by Rev. James Anderson, Grand Chaplain of the Grand Lodge of England, in the early 18th century, and revised and published in the American colonies by Right Worshipful Brother Benjamin Franklin a few years later.

If one has not read the Constitutions, or thinks they are "candies up", he in reality has no idea of how Masonic law and government really function.

barney_rubble
17-06-2008, 03:01 PM
So if it doesn't conform to your pre-conceived notions, then it must be "candied up"? Interesting.

In reality, the Constitutions of the Grand Lodges are the ultimate law in Freemasonry. All of them are based on the Masonic Constitutions published by Rev. James Anderson, Grand Chaplain of the Grand Lodge of England, in the early 18th century, and revised and published in the American colonies by Right Worshipful Brother Benjamin Franklin a few years later.

If one has not read the Constitutions, or thinks they are "candies up", he in reality has no idea of how Masonic law and government really function.

Hear hear!

By-the-Way Lonious why do you think that Maine has publicly published thier Constitution?? Mind you it is an interesting read. I like noting the differences between jurstictions.

In my juristiction you have to be a mason to buy a copy from the Grand Lodge (first copy is free) and it is not on any public web site. Mind you there are copies floating around from deceased members or demitted/expelled members - I saw one on eBay a while back.

perry_mason
17-06-2008, 06:10 PM
The United Grand Lodge of England constitutions are also available online for all those who wish to have a browse through them:

http://www.ugle.org.uk/pdf/index.htm

barney_rubble
17-06-2008, 06:30 PM
The United Grand Lodge of England constitutions are also available online for all those who wish to have a browse through them:

http://www.ugle.org.uk/pdf/index.htm

From the UGLE Constitution:

"You admit that it is not in the power of any Man or
Body of Men to make any Alteration or Innovation in the
Body of Masonry"

This proves it Freemasonry is not run by "man" or "men"; therefore, it must be run by reptiods!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

perry_mason
17-06-2008, 06:55 PM
This proves it Freemasonry is not run by "man" or "men"; therefore, it must be run by reptiods!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

:D

But what about women Masons and Co-Masons? Could it be that all-male Freemasonry is actually controlled by an elite cabal of ladies?:D I quite like the irony in that!

Then again it could be Reptoids, Greys, talking horses, evil potatoes etc....

thelonious
17-06-2008, 09:15 PM
Hear hear!

By-the-Way Lonious why do you think that Maine has publicly published thier Constitution??

My Grand Lodge considers its constitution "public", although it is not published on their website. I have seen other Grand Lodges publish theirs on their websites, so I can assume it's just a matter of preference, or whether or not the webmaster takes the time to put it all together.

eternal_spirit
22-08-2008, 10:51 PM
Freemasonry has long praised the Cabala, and its top officials have admitted that the Lodge’s rituals and teachings are but the offspring of the Jewish tradition. Albert Pike, former Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, wrote: "One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sanctuary of the Cabala."
In 1855, the renowned Rabbi Isaac Wise wrote: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."
The Jewish Tribune newspaper, in 1927, in an editorial, stated: "Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?"
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/Article%20Images/cabalistic_star_of_david_richardsons.jpg In Richardson’s Monitor of Freemasonry (p. 64), this symbol is used to illustrate the Royal Arch Degree. Masonic literature is replete with examples of the Jewish Star of David and other Cabalistic tokens, symbols, emblems, and signs.
Ray Novosel, writing from Australia in 2004, states: "Zionist world leaders, men in influential positions with the various Masonic organizations everywhere, have worked ‘hand in glove’ for a universal world revolution, which will bring in the One World Church and a One World Government. Many Masonic Lodges are exclusively Jewish, as are the controlling B’nai B’rith Lodges—the mother of the infamous and very dangerous Anti-Defamation League (ADL)."
Albert Pike maintained that, "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion." Pike also asserted that the true meanings of the mysterious and arcane symbols of Freemasonry are found in the occult philosophy of the Jewish Cabala, that Freemasonry owes all its secrets to the Cabala, and that Freemasonry is a religion based on the Cabala.

banoyes
23-08-2008, 02:29 AM
I am astonished
David Icke rightly names Freemasonry as an evil,corrupting group of mind controlled sycophants
yet
here they are, in droves yapping about their blood soaked cult.
Who are they trying to impress?
What is their purpose?
These people have no conscience
just excuses for the proven history of deceptions and death.
You are only impressing youselves with your knowledge of evil leaders
and arcane meanderings into deeper evil.

David Icke has pinned you for what you are.
No good
No good at all
Be Gone Devils

barney_rubble
07-10-2008, 09:12 PM
Grand Lodge of Ontario in the Province of Ontario "Friend to Friend Video".

This describes what we "believe" and how we "practice"

http://www.brantmasons.com/pr_docs/media9/f2f_512.wmv

ban freekmasons
08-10-2008, 08:38 AM
Grand Lodge of Ontario in the Province of Ontario "Friend to Friend Video".

This describes what we "believe" and how we "practice"

http://www.brantmasons.com/pr_docs/media9/f2f_512.wmv

so why don't masons defend it face to face with victims of freemasonry ??

runciter
08-10-2008, 03:58 PM
Sorry this has been done to death.
These are not "quotes" they are "mis-quotes".
I defy you to find any one of the above lines in "Morals and Dogma".
you may find bits and pieces but the above lines have been "wrapped" in someone else's words.

And as we (masons) have mentioned on this forum repeatedly Pike does NOT speak for all of Freemasonry nor does any man.

of course you have to deny, it shows the real face of masonry.

but you can only fool another mason, not an aware non-mason.

keystone
08-10-2008, 09:14 PM
of course you have to deny, it shows the real face of masonry.

but you can only fool another mason, not an aware non-mason.I asked you once before to discuss your view of freemasonry in an open and honest fashion which you declined on the grounds that "all freemasons are liars".

Why so much hate?

runciter
09-10-2008, 08:13 AM
I asked you once before to discuss your view of freemasonry in an open and honest fashion which you declined on the grounds that "all freemasons are liars".

Why so much hate?

i'm not saying they're liars, only that they can't be honest about masonry.

barney_rubble
09-10-2008, 02:57 PM
Look the thread is titled "Masonic beliefs and practices".

I just provided you with a video published by my Grand Lodge that details just that. I am just providing you with the evidence you do with it what you will.

And for your information I looked deep into freemasonry before I joined.
I read much of the negative publications and much of the positive.
I have made my choice and you are free to make your own.

keystone
09-10-2008, 09:38 PM
Well I can be quite honest about Freemasonry and I will as will others if you would like a discussion.

mike martin
09-10-2008, 10:26 PM
There is NO "positive" publications, except those published bv Masons..

Err actually, I'd start with "the Temple and the Lodge" by Baigent & Leigh they wrote it many years before Baigent actually went on to join, "Who's Afraid of the Freemasons" by Piatigorsky, still hasn't joined and "A pilgrims Path" by John J Robinson who joined shortly after it was published. In fact if you actually read a whole Manly Palmer Hall book about Freemasonry you'll find he liked it lots, he also joined 25 years later. That's just off the top of my head.

Generally though, other than Fremasons and anti-Masons no one else is interested enough to write about Freemasonry.

You Mason fellows can't even write 3 sentences without lying in one form or another
your opinion, as misguided and wrong as it may be, you're entitled to it.

I choose to be free and think for myself and not be subject to a muderous band of lying, thieving Agenda driven syncphants of evil
Hee hee. Brandish it about as much as you like, you actually choose to be led by the nose by people who know no more than you about Freemasonry

You made your choice all right,you chose evil
This is NOT an opinion
This is back up by many researchers
It is proven FACT. Freemasonary is the root cause of much of humanitys
troubles
Pretend away ,it's your soul
Nope, it is just the opinions of others that you have decided are worthy of you regurgitating them. Again your choice! It's no skin off my nose, I actually experience the reality of what you imagine to be, everyday and I know you're wrong. The difference being I say it with the weight of the evidence of my own eyes and experience, not someone else's

Mike

banoyes
09-10-2008, 10:40 PM
Err actually, I'd start with "the Temple and the Lodge" by Baigent & Leigh they wrote it many years before Baigent actually went on to join, "Who's Afraid of the Freemasons" by Piatigorsky, still hasn't joined and "A pilgrims Path" by John J Robinson who joined shortly after it was published. In fact if you actually read a whole Manly Palmer Hall book about Freemasonry you'll find he liked it lots, he also joined 25 years later. That's just off the top of my head.

Generally though, other than Fremasons and anti-Masons no one else is interested enough to write about Freemasonry.


your opinion, as misguided and wrong as it may be, you're entitled to it.


Hee hee. Brandish it about as much as you like, you actually choose to be led by the nose by people who know no more than you about Freemasonry


Nope, it is just the opinions of others that you have decided are worthy of you regurgitating them. Again your choice! It's no skin off my nose, I actually experience the reality of what you imagine to be, everyday and I know you're wrong. The difference being I say it with the weight of the evidence of my own eyes and experience, not someone else's

Mike

All these Masons have is words..they just deny , Oh No Mate ,we are just a bunch of fun fellow
Look at this masons word structure
Assummed superority
Perhaps he is a "Worshipful Master"
Rosy Cross.Knights of BLA BLA BLA, Skull and Bones,all manner of off shoots to hide behind
All the research showing them for what they are is wrong,even when the facts are shown,,,deny,deny,deny

I know you are a Freemason
and as such,are incapable of telling the truth

grandsecretary
13-11-2008, 08:12 PM
Sorry to throw a spanner in the works at this late stage but I have only just joined this forum.

All of this refers to the rituals of the "Moderns" form of Freemasonry. The first meeting of this group, known as The Grand Lodge of London" is claimed to have taken place at The Goose and Gridiron Ale-house in London in 1717.

It is known from the very scant references to this meeting that it was chaired by a non-Mason, and the very small number of others who attended were a mixture of mostly non-Masons, and one or two initiated Masons, none of whom had ever chaired a Lodge meeting and were not qualified so to do.

One of the enquiries that was made at this meeting was in reference to a key part of the ritual known as "The Master's Part". The answer was, "We don't know it, and we do not have it in our possession". Enquiries were made which proved fruitless because those who were rightly in possession of Mssonic rituals were true to their Masonic oaths.

Thereafter a small committee was set up under the Chairmanship of Dr Anderson, which re-wrote the rituals from what scant memory was available, and completely added an invented third degree, including the legend of "Hiram Abiff". It is an entirely modern invention of this committee.

The original form of Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry, and its rituals, remains under the jurisdiction and control of The Grand Lodge of All England, at York.

Peter Clatworthy
Grand Secretary
Grand Lodge of All England

mike martin
13-11-2008, 10:31 PM
Thereafter a small committee was set up under the Chairmanship of Dr Anderson, which re-wrote the rituals from what scant memory was available, and completely added an invented third degree, including the legend of "Hiram Abiff". It is an entirely modern invention of this committee.

The original form of Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry, and its rituals, remains under the jurisdiction and control of The Grand Lodge of All England, at York.

Peter,
This is a very interesting point. It's a shame you're not making it on a Masonic Forum where it could be discussed properly.

Are you saying that the GLAE has thrown out the Hiramic legend and returned to having only Masters that are Masters of the Lodge? In other words only the old 2 degree system of Apprentice and Fellow?

Mike

grandsecretary
13-11-2008, 10:44 PM
Peter,
This is a very interesting point. It's a shame you're not making it on a Masonic Forum where it could be discussed properly.

Are you saying that the GLAE has thrown out the Hiramic legend and returned to having only Masters that are Masters of the Lodge? In other words only the old 2 degree system of Apprentice and Fellow?

Mike

Well the point is made here in order to assist general knowledge in the light of previous misconceptions expressed in the thread. "Tilting at windmills" comes to mind.

A direct answer to your question, we do not refer to Hiram Abiff in our rituals. We use the original Anglo-Saxon two degree system. Our rituals date back to 1460. If we find any earlier we will revert to them.

Anyway IMHO this is a better place. I have read so much on this forum that I am sure that all of these experts here know exactly what we are talking about. If they don't, then it just proves that ignorance is rarely silent.

Peter

mike martin
14-11-2008, 11:20 AM
A direct answer to your question, we do not refer to Hiram Abiff in our rituals. We use the original Anglo-Saxon two degree system. Our rituals date back to 1460. If we find any earlier we will revert to them.

That has got my attention! Are there details on your Site?

Mike

grandsecretary
14-11-2008, 01:52 PM
That has got my attention! Are there details on your Site?

Mike

Yes Mike, and if you want to communicate with me by email, off forum, because it is of limited interest here, then please do so.

Peter

abaddon
14-11-2008, 02:13 PM
I guarentee there is interest here, if you're willing to share.

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works at this late stage

One of enquiry that was made at this meeting was in reference to "The Master's Part". The answer was, "We don't know it, and we do not have it in our possession".

Enquiries were made which proved fruitless because those who were rightly in possession of Mssonic rituals were true to their Masonic oaths.

Thereafter, a small committee completely added an invented third degree, including the legend of "Hiram Abiff". It is an entirely modern invention of this committee.

grandsecretary
14-11-2008, 02:41 PM
I guarentee there is interest here, if you're willing to share.

Hokey Dokey. The history of Freemasonry in England should interest those who are interested in English History because it is inseparable. In fact, the influence that Freemasons and Freemasonry has exerted over the centuries is a much neglected subject in both literary and academic circles.

To say that a man's Freemasonry does not influence his life and work's, and the lives and works of those around him, and should be laid aside and ignored, is something that no intelligent human being should accept.

Peter

abaddon
14-11-2008, 03:21 PM
The history of Freemasonry in England should interest those who are interested in English History because it is inseparable.

An Uncle used to say the same thing. Whenever pushed, would suggest some reading material, drop some hints, suggested it was truthful history never taught, and give me a pamphlet for when my mind was made up.

In fact, the influence that Freemasons and Freemasonry has exerted over the centuries is a much neglected subject in both literary and academic circles.

Just suprised about the GLAE vs UGLE, very insightful. Many powerful people have/were Masons, indeed, and 'their influence' adds to the conspiricy circuit, although you suggest a large portion of mordern Masonry is a corrupted form of older values?


Cheers

- Scott

grandsecretary
17-11-2008, 01:06 PM
An Uncle used to say the same thing. Whenever pushed, would suggest some reading material, drop some hints, suggested it was truthful history never taught, and give me a pamphlet for when my mind was made up.


Just suprised about the GLAE vs UGLE, very insightful. Many powerful people have/were Masons, indeed, and 'their influence' adds to the conspiricy circuit, although you suggest a large portion of mordern Masonry is a corrupted form of older values?


Cheers

- Scott

No, we don't say that it is "a corruption of the older values". We say that it not Ancient Freemasonry at all.

thelucifer
17-11-2008, 11:03 PM
No, we don't say that it is "a corruption of the older values". We say that it not Ancient Freemasonry at all.

I'm interested in what you think about American Freemasonry and whats going on in DC, like the layout etc.

grandsecretary
18-11-2008, 06:30 AM
I'm interested in what you think about American Freemasonry and whats going on in DC, like the layout etc.

We approach American Freemasonry in a similar way that we approach Freemasonry in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from which it is overwhelmingly derived. With the exception of our St John's Lodges, Freemasonry in America is the Moderns form of Freemasonry, which is not genuine Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry. In the USA there is also the added problem and complication of the controlling influences of The York Rite, and the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.

Although the Shriners is not, technically, a Masonic body, its membership qualifications have aligned it with Moderns Freemasonry. We are very concerned that it is seen by the Muslim world as being profoundly anti-Islamic.

We do not comment on the internal affairs of other Masonic bodies athough we have taken note of what has been announced in respect of New York/DC and devlopments in Lebanon. We do so due to our interest in the Lebanon in respect of our Lodge Al-Shams of St John.

I hope that this answers your questions.

Peter

rickcard
19-11-2008, 10:57 PM
Peter

In the early 90s I went for a while to a Zen group. There was a chap there who was a mathematician working for MOD.

One time after the meeting he said to a few of us what he could do with a staff marked off with the natural proportion. And he began to demonstrate pitching various arch shapes etc. Completely lost us of course. But unusually for this cerebral and usually silent man he clearly had the hump about something.

It seemed to be to do with the fact that some people (possibly esoteric Masons) have empirical knowledge that they don't let on. Far from the virtue of knowledge being universal property.

I found all this fascinating. And what had got his ire up was a rock circle. He had come across a man made scale model of a complete stonehenge. It was not far away from an emergency services communication aerials installation for Gwent Police.

The next time he rambled up that hillside he thought "Strange but I'd swear that rock circle has changed location"

So the mathematician in him emerged. And he returned with theodyllite etc. And he measured everything. Including the distance between reflectors on the police radio aerials etc.

He had, in short, become intrigued.

And he began to plot the movements of the circle. He deduced that men were moving it. And that they had an empirical test (not at all common knowledge) by which they were iterating towards a key location. They did not have the maths to calculate it but they had some secret test by which they gradually got less and less error till nil error shew the desired location.

And he came to the conclusion that they and their secret test were being fooled by the radio installation and he calculated where, whoever the men were, they wanted that rock circle to eventually end up. It was a function of the police frequency and distance from the aerial.

And after more iterations, by the secret folk he never ever saw up there, that was where the circle ended up.

The guy living opposite us was the police communications engineer. So I asked if he was having any problems. "Mystery" he said "But we are having all sorts of problems with interference and loss of signal strength"

Next time I saw the maths man I said "Kick that rock circle over next time you up there"

Shortly after the police civilian engineer told me his gremlin problems had just disappeared. Is it right that some group of esoteric types should possess empirical knowledge that is not shared with all mankind ?

I had a little read of Dragon project (ultrasound squelch effect of rock circle at equinox
etc). Electro encepholograms showing brain pattern changes when person touches a rock circle. Ionic signatures of Lammas Day and Blessed water that sort of stuff.

I had a read of Robert Grave White Goddess. And some books about leylines.

At some point I remember thinking there should only be two degrees in the Craft.

But I think the mathematician had a point. Why should empirical knowledge be concealed from the general body of knowledge ?

grandsecretary
20-11-2008, 12:03 AM
It seemed to be to do with the fact that some people (possibly esoteric Masons) have empirical knowledge that they don't let on. Far from the virtue of knowledge being universal property.

No. He was pulling your leg. Freemasons and ley lines? - er - no, forget it.

Peter

mike martin
20-11-2008, 12:06 PM
But I think the mathematician had a point. Why should empirical knowledge be concealed from the general body of knowledge ?

While it is possible (although incredibly unlikely) that there may be some kind of "group" out there that does, in fact, hide knowledge from humanity, it isn't Freemasonry the core lessons of it are to be found in most religions and philosophical groups.

This is why people mistake so many other things for Freemasonry.

Mike

grandsecretary
20-11-2008, 02:54 PM
IMHO this is the job of political opposition, the press, the media, and now the internet, which should be an incredible medium for both the depth and the the spread of knowledge.

When I think back to the 1950's and the 1960's I am amazed at how far the world has progressed and the speed of technical advance. We must use it to the full, especially those who wish to expose injustice, real injustice, not imagined.

And yet so many of our young people either do not go to school, will not go to school, or leave school without being able to read and write; have never read Shakespeare, Chaucer, Hemingway, or even a daily newspaper.

Hundreds of thousands do not have free access to clean water or regular nourishment. We are very fortunate and I hope that we appreciate it, and do all that we can to feed the poor and educate the hungry.

Peter

rickcard
21-11-2008, 07:55 PM
Thanks for your replies Peter and Mike.

No he was not pulling my leg. It is a true story. But, as Mike picked up on, I tried to build levels into the story.

rickcard
21-11-2008, 08:04 PM
I think his name was Sylvanus P Thompson. He wrote a book simplifying the application and understanding of calculus.

His theory seemed to be that when UK introduced state education in the 19th century that the academic establishment made subjects deliberately difficult to learn. Especially maths which was broken down into Arithmetic. Algebra, Trigonometry, Geometry etc

Denial of overview denial of understanding.

When Thompson retired, if I remember the story correctly, academia took the opportunity to pillory him in the Times. Saying he had oversimplified the subject and was a charlatan and so on.

Apparently the vilification was so bad that the Times asked Thompson to respond.

His response went something like this "The cruellest part of the criticism is, of course, that it is all true. I wonder how I always got the right answers." Churchillian standard riposte.

Perhaps it is simpler when all the strands are made as one to reveal a simple truth.

rickcard
21-11-2008, 08:16 PM
The Dragon project is a registered charity but appears to have petered out but there is a little on net about their rock circle research

http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ShowCharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=2 99773&SubsidiaryNumber=0

stewart edwards
27-11-2008, 07:58 AM
All of this refers to the rituals of the "Moderns" form of Freemasonry. The first meeting of this group, known as The Grand Lodge of London" is claimed to have taken place at The Goose and Gridiron Ale-house in London in 1717.

It is known from the very scant references to this meeting that it was chaired by a non-Mason, and the very small number of others who attended were a mixture of mostly non-Masons, and one or two initiated Masons, none of whom had ever chaired a Lodge meeting and were not qualified so to do.

One of the enquiries that was made at this meeting was in reference to a key part of the ritual known as "The Master's Part". The answer was, "We don't know it, and we do not have it in our possession". Enquiries were made which proved fruitless because those who were rightly in possession of Mssonic rituals were true to their Masonic oaths.

Thereafter a small committee was set up under the Chairmanship of Dr Anderson, which re-wrote the rituals from what scant memory was available, and completely added an invented third degree, including the legend of "Hiram Abiff". It is an entirely modern invention of this committee.

The original form of Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry, and its rituals, remains under the jurisdiction and control of The Grand Lodge of All England, at York.

Peter Clatworthy
Grand Secretary
Grand Lodge of All EnglandYikes, so what you are saying, in effect, is that UGLE and by implication amity Freemasonry, is simply an invention of wanabees? Yes/no?

grandsecretary
27-11-2008, 09:29 AM
Yikes, so what you are saying, in effect, is that UGLE and by implication amity Freemasonry, is simply an invention of wanabees? Yes/no?

Exactly.

lightindarkness
29-11-2008, 09:26 PM
Yikes, so what you are saying, in effect, is that UGLE and by implication amity Freemasonry, is simply an invention of wanabees? Yes/no?

:D Or the the "UGLOAE" is simply a fakemason group made up of pompous, arrogant people who froth at the mouth and become enraged at any suggestion of the word UGLE as if they were Pavlov's dog themselves?

This reminds me of the nutcases we get in the United States occasionally who buy a farm house and then proclaim their land is "sovereign" from the US because the US is a fake nation. We could of course show who was real and who was fake, but the comic relief is just too much and their groups are harmless.

keystone
29-11-2008, 10:56 PM
Exactly.That is unworthy of you and you know better than that.

You may have had some problems with UGLE but to carry this hate around for several years now is totally self destructive.

Concentrate your efforts on something worthwhile. GLAE exists, RGLE exists (well they have a website anyway), UGLE exists. Live and let live.

grandsecretary
30-11-2008, 12:17 AM
That is unworthy of you and you know better than that.

You may have had some problems with UGLE but to carry this hate around for several years now is totally self destructive.

Concentrate your efforts on something worthwhile. GLAE exists, RGLE exists (well they have a website anyway), UGLE exists. Live and let live.

Why would I hate the UGLE? I enjoyed over 20 happy years there and had no problems, except that I realised that it was based upon a tissue of lies.

I was asked a direct question and I gave a direct answer.

"Was the UGLE and by implication amity Freemasonry an invention of a group of Wanabees?" The answer is, "Yes", and I could not describe it any better.

What is the problem with that? There is nothing wrong with ambition. You are too sensitive.

Peter

grandsecretary
30-11-2008, 12:19 AM
:D Or the the "UGLOAE" is simply a fakemason group made up of pompous, arrogant people who froth at the mouth and become enraged at any suggestion of the word UGLE as if they were Pavlov's dog themselves?

This reminds me of the nutcases we get in the United States occasionally who buy a farm house and then proclaim their land is "sovereign" from the US because the US is a fake nation. We could of course show who was real and who was fake, but the comic relief is just too much and their groups are harmless.

Bile and idiocy is a heady mix isn't it? Show it. I challenge you. Show some proof of what you say rather than lies and character assassination.

You are angry because you realise that you have been taken for a fool. I don't blame you. I felt the same, but I did something about it.

You can't face the fact that your security blanket is on fire.

Please, please, please prove that your Grand Lodge is the real thing. It requires documentary evidence from independent credible sources. I have provided dozens here so far on our behalf. You and your friends? - NONE - NOT ONE!

Here is another one. The man who wrote the History of Freemasonry.

"It is to be regretted that the records of the "Four Old Lodges" do not antedate those of the 'Grand Lodge', they brought into existence, as fortunately happens in the case of the single lodge which blossomed into the 'Grand Lodge of all England, held at York,' " (SOURCE: The History of Freemasonry, Vol. IV by Robert Freke Gould, 1884)

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/RobertFrekeGould.jpg

Robert Freke Gould was a lieutenant in the 31st Regiment, English Army. He later qualified as a barrister. From 1868, he is best remembered as an early proponent of the authentic school of masonic research and for his three-volume History of Freemasonry on behalf of The United Grand Lodge of England (1883-1887).

lightindarkness
30-11-2008, 04:54 AM
Bile and idiocy is a heady mix isn't it?

Indeed, its about everything you ever post.

If you haven't noticed I have been ignoring you because frankly you're so hysterical and enraged your like a rabid dog and being a animal lover I can't put even rabid dogs down. And being a friend to animals, I will offer the rabid dog a treat. Please stop foaming at the mouth for a minute and read, as my patience and benevolence even with wild animals has its limits:

We all know you are a UGLE reject who isn't a real mason anymore, but if you MUST try to project on me with your UGLE conspiracy fantasies it would behoove you to get the facts straight. I am not a UGLE mason, and have no particular reason to defend them at all. In fact I don't, I just find it hilarious that you are attempting to defame and slander them with your little group of 30 people.

Please keep that in mind when trying to project your own problems and behaviors on me. Now, back to being ignored you go. Previously I was just ignoring your posts, but now I must actually go find the button to be done with your permanently. I must admit I've never been a big fan of conspiracy theory, but maybe there is some sort of logic to the "mind control" stuff with the way you act like a rabid dog every time the phrase UGLE is mentioned. Pavlov, were he alive today, would probably love to study you.

grandsecretary
30-11-2008, 02:08 PM
Indeed, its about everything you ever post.

If you haven't noticed I have been ignoring you because frankly you're so hysterical and enraged your like a rabid dog and being a animal lover I can't put even rabid dogs down. And being a friend to animals, I will offer the rabid dog a treat. Please stop foaming at the mouth for a minute and read, as my patience and benevolence even with wild animals has its limits:

We all know you are a UGLE reject who isn't a real mason anymore, but if you MUST try to project on me with your UGLE conspiracy fantasies it would behoove you to get the facts straight. I am not a UGLE mason, and have no particular reason to defend them at all. In fact I don't, I just find it hilarious that you are attempting to defame and slander them with your little group of 30 people.

Please keep that in mind when trying to project your own problems and behaviors on me. Now, back to being ignored you go. Previously I was just ignoring your posts, but now I must actually go find the button to be done with your permanently. I must admit I've never been a big fan of conspiracy theory, but maybe there is some sort of logic to the "mind control" stuff with the way you act like a rabid dog every time the phrase UGLE is mentioned. Pavlov, were he alive today, would probably love to study you.

No, I didn't notice.

misterethoughts
22-12-2008, 10:34 PM
This is an interesting post. Thanks for sharing.

thelonious
23-12-2008, 04:36 PM
Please, please, please prove that your Grand Lodge is the real thing.

Depends on what you mean by "the real thing".

I'm in basic agreement with Pike here. What happened in 1717 was a that a new organization was founded by Hermeticists and Rosicrucians under the name of "Freemasonry". And that the occultist Ashmole was the primary inspiration, and perhaps original patriarch.

grandsecretary
23-12-2008, 06:07 PM
Depends on what you mean by "the real thing".

I'm in basic agreement with Pike here. What happened in 1717 was a that a new organization was founded by Hermeticists and Rosicrucians under the name of "Freemasonry". And that the occultist Ashmole was the primary inspiration, and perhaps original patriarch.

What utter nonsense.

Elias Ashmole was a member of a York Lodge in Warrington, which predates whatever "happened" in 1717.

Ashmole was, in fact initiated a member of The Grand Lodge of All England at York taking his masonic Oath with a copy of our Constitutions of Masonrie in his right hand. This manuscript is known as The Sloane Manuscript No. 3848, and is in the British Museum, available for you to inspect at any time.

This manuscript copy of the Constitutions was transcribed and finished by one Edward Sankey, the son of Richard Sankey, a member of the Lodge, on the 16th day of October 1646, the day Elias Ashmole was initiated into the secrets of the craft.

http://grandlodge.blogspot.com/2008/08/elias-ashmole-fact-fiction-and.html

Elias Ashmole died on the 18 May 1692, a full 25 years prior to the meeting at the Goose and Gridiron on the 24th June 1717!

thelonious
24-12-2008, 01:38 PM
What utter nonsense.

Elias Ashmole was a member of a York Lodge in Warrington, which predates whatever "happened" in 1717.

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.

Ashmole was, in fact initiated a member of The Grand Lodge of All England at York taking his masonic Oath with a copy of our Constitutions of Masonrie in his right hand.
This manuscript is known as The Sloane Manuscript No. 3848, and is in the British Museum, available for you to inspect at any time.

I'm well aware of the existence of the Sloane Mss., and also well aware there isn't a shred of evidence that it was used in Ashmole's initiation (although, even if it was, I don't see the relevance as to what I wrote).


Elias Ashmole died on the 18 May 1692, a full 25 years prior to the meeting at the Goose and Gridiron on the 24th June 1717!

Again, re-read what I wrote. Ashmole certainly inspired the 1717 group, which was composed of mostly "speculatives" instead of operatives.

Regardless, all this bickering about "lineal succession" that some of you guys on both sides of the issue are engaged in is a complete waste of time and energy. It doesn't matter if one's Masonic lineage goes back 5 zillion years or 5 minutes. All that really matters is the content of the Order, and the character of its members.

grandsecretary
24-12-2008, 10:07 PM
Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.



I'm well aware of the existence of the Sloane Mss., and also well aware there isn't a shred of evidence that it was used in Ashmole's initiation (although, even if it was, I don't see the relevance as to what I wrote).



Again, re-read what I wrote. Ashmole certainly inspired the 1717 group, which was composed of mostly "speculatives" instead of operatives.

Regardless, all this bickering about "lineal succession" that some of you guys on both sides of the issue are engaged in is a complete waste of time and energy. It doesn't matter if one's Masonic lineage goes back 5 zillion years or 5 minutes. All that really matters is the content of the Order, and the character of its members.

Don't be ridiculous. This Moderns operative/speculative propoganda is equally nonsense. The earliest extant Masonic manuscripts (15th century) refer to the speculative nature of Free Masonry. For goodness sake think for yourself.

slartibartfast
26-12-2008, 08:44 AM
The earliest extant Masonic manuscripts (15th century) refer to the speculative nature of Free Masonry.

Which manuscripts so we can go and have a look?

the guy in pink
26-12-2008, 09:34 AM
Which manuscripts so we can go and have a look?
He is probably refering to the Regis Poem, which is variously dated at 1396 to 1410

grandsecretary
26-12-2008, 02:04 PM
Which manuscripts so we can go and have a look?

I'll quote a small section of just one extant manuscript for you. It is easy to access and read. It is the Matthew Cooke Manuscript, also known as The British Museum Additional manuscript Number 23198. This is a transcript dated 1450 of a much older Anglo-Saxon document (Folio 26 & 27):

And after
theat was a worthy kynge
in Englond that was callyd
Athelstone and his yong
est sone lovyd well the
sciens of Gemetry. and
he wyst well that hand craft
had the practyke of the sci
ens of Gemetry to well
as masons wherefore he
drewe hym to consell and ler
nyd practyke of that sciens
to his speculatyf. For of spec
culatyfe he was a master
and he lovyd well ma
sonry and masons. And
he bicome a mason hym
selfe. And he yaf hem charges
and names as hit is now
vsyd id Englond. and in
othere countries. And he
ordyned that they schulde haue
re s onabull pay. And pur
chased a fre patent of the kyng
that they schoulde make a
sembly whan thei sawe re-
sonably tyme a cu to gedir to
here counselle of the whiche
Charges manors & semble
as is write and taught in the
boke of our charges wher
for I leue hit at this tyme.
Good men for this
cause and this maner
masonry toke firste begyn.
nyng.

Translation:

And after
that was a worthy king
in England that was called
Athelstan, and his young-
est son loved well the
science of geometry, and
he wist well that hand-craft
had the practice of the sci
ence of geometry so well
as masons, wherefore he
drew him to council and learn-
ed [the] practice of that science
to his speculative, for of specu-
lative he was a master,
and he loved well mason-
ry and masons. And
he became a mason him-
self, and he gave them charges
and names as it is now
used in England, and in
other countries. And he
ordained that they should have
reasonable pay and purchas-
ed a free patent of the king
that they should make [an] assem-
bly when they saw a reason-
able time and come together to
their councillors of which
charges, manners, and assembly,
as it is written and taught in the
book of our charges, wherefore
I leave it at this time.
Good men for this
cause and [by] this manner
masonry took [its] first begin-
ning.

osiris_priest
28-12-2008, 08:54 PM
The Secret Degrees of August Fraternity illuminate order
The order is 8000 years old
it was set up by haylal
In the ancient world youll never find the word the egiptions gave the forgieners 33 steps or degrees of the knowledge this set or lessons is what they call freemasonry,the ethiopians and the heberu gave the chalean armenians and the children of Gomer(germanic aborigins)360 degrees these degrees make up the true order of the rosy cross / priesthood ,which is really what they are calling illuminatae it is overseen by illuminatae americanae at beverly hall quaker town .The illuminatis(orian reptilians) came to america in 5 groups the most poopular group called the Quakers this is why 220 quaker town is the head office of illumiate in USA to day the highest illuminatae degree in the pristhood was the third degree also called the third riech by the germans or the exalted third
there job is to harvest energy and all requires faculties including the destin of the ancient kings and there children so that they can intern inherit odrdo what these poeple would have the potiential to do,the reptilian heracical force that does this is called the herakical force of AEth, for example the slave were not broth here to pick cotten they were broth here to be harvest because they are desendant of those ethiopians(egiptians,sudanes,habshanetc )that initiated these forgieners so they need the energy to mentain the atunment that these poeples ancester gave them ,so they broth them in as slave to disarm them meaning ,to distroy there self estem remove there language ,and religion that connect them to the ancestral diety protection, give them there own false or reptilian dietes such as chrisindum(aka Jesus) in order to access there destin and do whatt they would do(steeling freemason ry is about steeeling)mahabone is french it is not egiption it is not the word given by the master priest in egipt to the forgieners it is one of the names of a satanic legions

some of the pass words use today are french they are not the same pass words that were give to them by the africans(egiption,ethiopians ,sumerians etc)this is not the same thing modern freemasonry is actually a system set up by shakar the father of satan (haylal)he is their most high. it is a trick.refer back to albert pick weather or not they know it all branches of europian related fremasonry are connected and they are also governed by one grand master who is known as the count idolised in the movies as count draco(la) as it relates to the draco constillation Mr denton daniels(the biblical haylal)Satan,a reptilian parading in a black body

grandsecretary
28-12-2008, 09:01 PM
in the ancient world youll never find the word the egiptions gave the forgineers 33 steps ordegrees of the knowledge this set or lessons is what thw call freemasonry,the ethiopians and the heberu gave the chalean and the children of Gomer(germanicaborigins)360 degrees these degrees make up the true order of the rosy cross / priesthood ,which is really what they are calling illuminatae it is overseen by illuminatae americanae at beverly hall quaker town .
they job is to harvest energy and all requires faculties including the destin of the ancient kings and there children so that they can intern inherit odrdo what these poeple would have the potiential to do,the reptilian heracical force that does this is called the herakical force of AEth, for example the slave were not broth here to pick cotten they were broth here to he harvest because they are desendant of those ethiopians(egiptians,sudanes,habshanetc )that initiated these forgieners so they need the energy to mentain the atunment that these poeples ancester gave them ,so they broth them in as slave to disarm them meaning ,to distroy there sel estem remove there language ,and religion that connect them to the ancestral diety protection so that they could give them there own false or reptilian dietes so as chrisindum(aka Jesus) in oder to access there destin and do whatt they would do(steeling freemason ry is about steeeling)

the pass words use today are french they are not the same pass words that were give to them by the africans(egiption,ethiopians ,sumerians etc)this is niot the same thing modern freemasonry is actually a system set up by shakar the father of satan (haylal)he is their most high. it is a trick.

And Sophie Tucker was a werewolf.

thelonious
29-12-2008, 02:19 PM
Don't be ridiculous. This Moderns operative/speculative propoganda is equally nonsense. The earliest extant Masonic manuscripts (15th century) refer to the speculative nature of Free Masonry. For goodness sake think for yourself.

There is no record of any purely "Speculative" Masons previous to Ashmole and the company he was initiated with. That the operatives had speculative tendencies is true, this is shown even in the Regius Mss.

I'm also puzzled by your blatant rudeness and condescending manner. If that's "pure antient Freemasonry", you can keep it.

grandsecretary
29-12-2008, 03:11 PM
There is no record of any purely "Speculative" Masons previous to Ashmole and the company he was initiated with.


This just demonstrates how you have been brainwashed. So, St Dunstan laid bricks, Edward the Confessor tyled the roof, King Henry I was the tea boy, and William of Wykeham fixed the knobs to the toilet doors.

Pathetic. You don't even try to learn and that is why you deserve what you get from me.

thelucifer
29-12-2008, 03:34 PM
blatant rudeness and condescending manner.... you can keep it.


Thelonious, I am troubled that you should be puzzled !

One of the first things I learned when conversing with masons and remains very true today is the tactics of deny and belittle.

I cant tell how many times the utter "blatant rudeness and condescending manner" of masons seem to be a strong point/commonality.

It helped me see (from the get go) that something serious was going on, and still does.

Masons are givin a seeming power over the profane and this power shows through in a bad way, seemingly more often then not.

My favorite saying is "see a persons character, give them power."

keystone
29-12-2008, 03:42 PM
Thelonious, I am troubled that you should be puzzled !

One of the first things I learned when conversing with masons and remains very true today is the tactics of deny and belittle.

I cant tell how many times the utter "blatant rudeness and condescending manner" of masons seem to be a strong point/commonality.

It helped me see (from the get go) that something serious was going on, and still does.

Masons are givin a seeming power over the profane and this power shows through in a bad way, seemingly more often then not.

My favorite saying is "see a persons character, give them power."

Don't tar everyone with the same brush and yes that does work both ways. :)

The tactics of which you speak are equally used by certain non-masons on this board. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Aggressivness and a confrontational approach helps noone at all.

thelucifer
29-12-2008, 04:01 PM
Don't tar everyone with the same brush and yes that does work both ways. :)

The tactics of which you speak are equally used by certain non-masons on this board. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Aggressivness and a confrontational approach helps noone at all.

Yes I agree.
Thats why I stay true to the saying I quoted, see a "persons Character", masons and non masons alike are persons last I checked.

The problem with masons is that the arrogance etc is much more evident.
I suggest that has to do with a seeming power over the profane.

Its the same power problem as shown with kids in the classroom being divided some better and worse than the other etc.

keystone
29-12-2008, 04:10 PM
Yes I agree.
Thats why I stay true to the saying I quoted, see a "persons Character", masons and non masons alike are persons last I checked.Oh absolutely.

The problem with masons is that the arrogance etc is much more evident. Well, yes and no. There are some "anti" posters whose arrogance and overbearing manner almost defy belief. Trouble is people tend to bite back when their sacred cows are threatened. :)

I suggest that has to do with a seeming power over the profane.Or perhaps it's the power of the internet at arms length.

Its the same power problem as shown with kids in the classroom being divided some better and worse than the other etc.How true.

stewart edwards
29-12-2008, 04:21 PM
[QUOTE=thelucifer;695611]Trouble is people tend to bite back when their sacred cows are threatened. :)Not the right place but have to say that there is a hugely important esoteric lesson to be learnt from this facet of human nature. Worth reflecting on.

grandsecretary
29-12-2008, 04:26 PM
[QUOTE=keystone;695617]Not the right place but have to say that there is a hugely important esoteric lesson to be learnt from this facet of human nature. Worth reflecting on.

My lesson for life is very wordly. Do not lie, cheat, or steal.

osiris_priest
30-12-2008, 08:13 PM
you are a servant of the craft it is your job to deni these thing yes freemasonry will teach you to utilize all your enenrgiez propperly and sharpen the stone to refine your desernment and other skills that will build your solomonic temple ,but the priesthood and higher orders of freemasons do not stop there they use all there newly found knowledge to commit physical and spiritual abuse in higher orders freemasons are being used to do thing they dont understand because a freemason is just an eron boy to the secret orders of haylal,even though kufu let the outsider in and gave them 33 lesson of the knowlege(from the second degree in the priesthood of amon) the system they are using today is not what they gave them it has been edited by the armygoshen being haylal(satan),the apron the coffin ,password have all being edited to blind you from truth and keep you enslaved to haylal and his secret order of priesthood

stewart edwards
30-12-2008, 08:28 PM
though kufu let the outsider in and gave them 33 lesson of the knowlege(from the second degree in the priesthood of amon) the system they are using today is not what they gave them it has been edited by the armygoshen being haylal(satan),the apron the coffin ,password have all being edited to blind you from truth and keep you enslaved to haylal and his secret order of priesthoodA few questions:-

1. How do you think the apron has been edited?
2. Do you really mean the priesthood of amon?
3. What is your opinion of the pristhood in Thebes c1500bc?

keystone
30-12-2008, 08:29 PM
you are a servant of the craft it is your job to deni these thing yes freemasonry will teach you to utilize all your enenrgiez propperly and sharpen the stone to refine your desernment and other skills that will build your solomonic temple ,but the priesthood and higher orders of freemasons do not stop there they use all there newly found knowledge to commit physical and spiritual abuse in higher orders freemasons are being used to do thing they dont understand because a freemason is just an eron boy to the secret orders of haylal,even though kufu let the outsider in and gave them 33 lesson of the knowlege(from the second degree in the priesthood of amon) the system they are using today is not what they gave them it has been edited by the armygoshen being haylal(satan),the apron the coffin ,password have all being edited to blind you from truth and keep you enslaved to haylal and his secret order of priesthoodSo you believe the origins of Freemasonry lie in the ancient Egyptian mysteries then?

osiris_priest
31-12-2008, 12:30 AM
freemason has its orgins from the african mystery school mainlyegipt, for the 33 degree people and axum(currently called ethiopia),and sumeria(modern day irak) for the 360 degree,but because the information was recieved in small and incomplete chuncks by the outsider(greeks and germanics)there are reflections of sumerian tradition s in 33 degree free masony such as the apron which was taken from a sumerian incident or story (old akebulon aka old ethopia aka old africa province)there are reflections of that story in the book of gene isis(genesis)
where the adamu(adam wove himself an apron to hid his nakedness
thenn theres the priesthood of amon or Aum with its three degrees of knowledge.the same concept is used today,weather it be priesthood of amun or of osiris ,whey all all followed a simular pattern of degrees
first degree 360
2nd to 720
3rd1080
You will also find sumerian rites such as the Pearl of Great Price in the true order of the rosy cross /priesthood which is high illuminate masonary
the priesthood system were all over afica in different forms in acordance with bloodline tradions the intiations may have been different but the outcome was the same
egipt was just one provine in akibual or africa .ethiopia or akebulon was one the name for the hole afica there was a time when africa was one united state the differences was the tribal houses they were 13 tribal or royal ancestral houses the Tamareans (greek;egiptians was just one of them.
fisrt there were the probation degrees ,which all provinces had to do then the re were the tribal orders that would take the aspirants throught the degrees with the appropriate rite that are in accordance ith the tribal house (genetic influence)because of genetic difference tribal rited are different but the ultimate gol of soul mastery and soul illumination was usually the common goal after 720 lessens the asperant if found worthy would move on to more sublime degrees were he would transform back into a diety(the god self ,first self) and be branted a supreme being by degree
mordern freemasonry does not give one a chice to choose an hieraki the degrees bind one to the heirakis of halayal the rite had to be edited to accommodate the reptilians(armygoshen beings)while in the orginal system you were give a choice via ancestral house rites the current system give haylal jurisdiction and influence over all europian based masonary
you could have desended from the terro ,the ashtar comand,and other celestial or terrestial beings to be soul illuminated you would need the rites to reconnect you back to those ancester to have that power again

keystone
31-12-2008, 12:37 AM
Mmm interesting thank you. Do you have any links to background reading for more information?

grandsecretary
31-12-2008, 03:33 PM
This is the wording of the Ashmole Manuscript. The original manuscript was destroyed by Moderns Masons in 1720, along with others, in an attempt to hide the historic nature of its contents. The manuscript dated from between 1461 and 1471. Fortunately the wording of the manuscript was carefully recorded by the Ashmolean Museum itself, and is still amongst its source documents and available for reference purposes.

THE ASHMOLE MANUSCRIPT

"Though the ancient records of the Brotherhood in England were many of them destroyed or lost in the wars of the Saxons and Danes, yet King Athelstane (the grandson of king Alfede the great, a mighty architect,) the first anointed king of England, and who translated the Holy Bible into the Saxon tongue, (A. D. 930) when he had brought the land into rest and peace, built many great works, and encouraged many Masons from France, who were appointed overseers thereof, and brought with them the charges and regulations of the Lodges, preserved since the Roman times; who also prevailed with the king to improve the constitution of the English Lodges according to the foreign model, and to increase the wages of working Masons.

"The said king's brother, Prince Edwin, being taught Masonry, and taking upon him the charges of a Master Mason, for the love he had to the said Craft, and the honourable principles whereon it is grounded, purchased a free charter of king Athelstane, for the Masons having a correction among themselves (as it was anciently expressed,) or a freedom and power to regulate themselves, to amend what might happen amiss, and to hold a yearly communication and general assembly.

"Accordingly Prince Edwin summoned all the Masons in the realm to meet him in a congregation at York, who came and composed a general Lodge, of which he was Grand Master; and having brought with them all the writings and records extant, some in Greek, some in Latin, some in French, and other languages, from the contents thereof that assembly did frame the constitution and charges of an English Lodge, made a law to preserve and observe the same in all time coming, and ordained good pay for working Masons, &c." And he made a book thereof, how the Craft was founded: And he himself ordered and commanded that it shold be read and tolde when any Mason should be made, and for to give him his charges. And from that day until this time manners of Masons have been kept in that forme, as well as menne might govern.

"Furthermore, however, at diverse assemblies certain charges have been made and ordained by the best advice of Masters and fellowes, as the exigencies of the Craft made necessarie."

"In the glorious reign of king Edward III, when Lodges were more frequent, the Right Worshipful the Master and Fellows, with consent of the Lords of the realm (for most great men were then Masons) ordained,

"That of the future, at a making or admission of a Brother, the constitution and the ancient charges should be read by the Master or Warden.

"That such as were to be admitted Master Masons, or Masters of work, should be examined whether they be able of cunning to serve their respective Lords, as well the lowest as the highest, to the honor and worship of the aforesaid art, and to the profit of their Lords; for they be their Lords that employ and pay them for their service and travel.

A Record of the Society, written in the reign of Edward IV (1461-1471), part of the collection in the possession of the famous Elias Ashmole, founder of the Museum at Oxford.

grandsecretary
01-01-2009, 01:12 PM
An initial short reading list for all interested in the true origins of Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry, at York:

The Freemasons' Library and General Ahiman Rezon by Laurence Dermott published 1817.

True Masonic Guide by Robert Macoy published 1854.

The Antiquities of Freemasonry by The Revd. George Oliver, published 1854.

Ancient Charges and Regulations of Freemasonry by Cornelius Moore, published 1855.

Universal Masonic Library, Volume IV, by The Revd. George Oliver and Thaddeus Mason Harris, published 1855.

Digest of Masonic Law by George Wingate Chase, published 1863.

The Masonic Eclectic by John W. Simons & Robert Macoy, published 1866.

General History, Cyclopedia, and Dictionary of Freemasonry by Robert Macoy, published 1873.

A Library of Freemasonry by John C Yorston, published 1906.

Ancient Freemasonry by Frank C. Higgins, published c.1919.

Happy New Year to all.

osiris_priest
01-01-2009, 06:47 PM
I may not be able to give you references from privite eye but their is information in the public eye that can give you some history.I never expect to come upon this stuff in his forum this was suppose to be a .......hm

it is only the truth that can make you FREE MY SONS.

grandsecretary
01-01-2009, 06:55 PM
I may not be able to give you references from privite eye but their is information in the public eye that can give you some history.I never expect to come upon this stuff in his forum this was suppose to be a .......hm

it is only the truth that can make you FREE MY SONS.

Forum: place of or meeting for public discussion (Oxford English Dictionary)
Discuss (-ion): talk or write about a subject in detail (Oxford English Dictionary)

Surely that is a two way process? Why are you so surprised?

jos08
01-01-2009, 07:39 PM
Just one question if you gentlemen could answer please:

What happens if someone is poor and wanted to join freemasonry, is he going to get any help or discount maybe or is it like, if you can't afford it then go away and come back once you are rich? :p

grandsecretary
01-01-2009, 07:50 PM
Just one question if you gentlemen could answer please:

What happens if someone is poor and wanted to join freemasonry, is he going to get any help or discount maybe or is it like, if you can't afford it then go away and come back once you are rich? :p

Grand Lodge of All England:

http://www.grandlodgeofallengland.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=25

Fees must be paid, but they are reasonable and you do not have to be rich.

jos08
01-01-2009, 10:34 PM
Grand Lodge of All England:

http://www.grandlodgeofallengland.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=25

Fees must be paid, but they are reasonable and you do not have to be rich.
That's fair; compared with other religion and social clubs which are mostly there to accumulate money, for i.e Scientology church (no offence to them BTW)
I just wonder why all these foolish conspiracy people account masonry for all thats wrong in the world. It is like accusing Jews for all the wars which is ridicules IMO. And also why is freemasonry not responding to these allegations through court or even through formal statements.

grandsecretary
01-01-2009, 11:14 PM
That's fair; compared with other religion and social clubs which are mostly there to accumulate money, for i.e Scientology church (no offence to them BTW)
I just wonder why all these foolish conspiracy people account masonry for all thats wrong in the world. It is like accusing Jews for all the wars which is ridicules IMO. And also why is freemasonry not responding to these allegations through court or even through formal statements.

Probably because the wrongs in the world are man made, and a large number of men are Freemasons.

It is, of course false logic: Cats have tails Elephants have tails, ergo Cats are Elephants.

It is an excuse for a sit back and do nothing, blame someone else mentality. They are basically lazy and feckless individuals.

mike martin
02-01-2009, 01:23 AM
Just one question if you gentlemen could answer please:

What happens if someone is poor and wanted to join freemasonry, is he going to get any help or discount maybe or is it like, if you can't afford it then go away and come back once you are rich? :p

The whole thing about only rich men joining Freemasonry is just total rubbish unless you consider any man who has a job to be rich. You don't have to be rich to be a Freemason, if you did I could never have ever joined.

You would only have to be rich if you joined every Order that existed AND visited other Lodges and units every night of the week at an average cost of £30 per meeting to dine.

Just to put this onto a realistic footing the yearly subscription to be a member of my Lodge is £275 per year and that's expensive because it's in London. If that was all I wanted to do that would be my total expenses per year, that's around £23 per month.

However, I visit other Lodges and the dining cost ranges from around £13 for a meeting outside of London and £30 inside London, because everything is more expensive there. Just attendng the meeting doesn't cost anything but the meal after does, cos you have to pay for what you eat.

Mike

jos08
02-01-2009, 05:31 AM
Probably because the wrongs in the world are man made, and a large number of men are Freemasons.

It is, of course false logic: Cats have tails Elephants have tails, ergo Cats are Elephants.

It is an excuse for a sit back and do nothing, blame someone else mentality. They are basically lazy and feckless individuals.
I couldn't agree more, and sadly they have ruined the reputation of freemasonry. If you search google for the word freemasonry you will get more conspiracy links than factual information about the fraternity.

My question is why Freemasons are not telling these people to stop making false accusation about freemasonry. As an outsider myself seeing all these books,tapes, chat shows, documentaries etc etc about how bad freemasonry is makes you think just why on gods name all these negativity towards a group; yet with no one responding to these people and holding them accountable for putting such a negative spin on the whole fraternity.

Surely freemasonry as a club or a society have lawers that can put a stop to all this madness by law? or am I wrong by saying this?

slartibartfast
02-01-2009, 08:48 AM
My question is why Freemasons are not telling these people to stop making false accusation about freemasonry. As an outsider myself seeing all these books,tapes, chat shows, documentaries etc etc about how bad freemasonry is makes you think just why on gods name all these negativity towards a group; yet with no one responding to these people and holding them accountable for putting such a negative spin on the whole fraternity.

Surely freemasonry as a club or a society have lawers that can put a stop to all this madness by law? or am I wrong by saying this?

Freemasons try and put people right as shown by the efforts of the Masons on here. Most of the videos and documents are so vague that they are virtually impossible to fight against. That is why we always want BanF and Banoyes to give some concrete facts that can actually be verified. When the antis have such a broad brush approach to masonry that includes anything at all bad but excludes anything factual how can any one organisation put up a legal case, it would just be a "we didn't mean you" defence.

grandsecretary
02-01-2009, 02:06 PM
I couldn't agree more, and sadly they have ruined the reputation of freemasonry. If you search google for the word freemasonry you will get more conspiracy links than factual information about the fraternity.

My question is why Freemasons are not telling these people to stop making false accusation about freemasonry. As an outsider myself seeing all these books,tapes, chat shows, documentaries etc etc about how bad freemasonry is makes you think just why on gods name all these negativity towards a group; yet with no one responding to these people and holding them accountable for putting such a negative spin on the whole fraternity.

Surely freemasonry as a club or a society have lawers that can put a stop to all this madness by law? or am I wrong by saying this?

Yes, we do have lawyers and we do take action against individuals where damage is caused. Usually it ends up with the offending statement being removed from the forum.

The disclaimer at the bottom of my responses is the result of successful actions against two posters on Masonic Forums. We were advised to attach such a statement.

It is particularly difficult because the web is word-wide and comments are made under a cloak of anonymity. For instance, it cost our Grand Lodge over $5000 in private investigator fees simply to trace one offender in The United States of America so that we could serve papers.

Although, on balance, the web is a wonderful thing, one of the downsides is that it encourages irresponsibility in this regard.

grandsecretary
02-01-2009, 02:13 PM
I have always stated that I am not an apologist for freemasons and I tell it how it is. It is a scandal and a disgrace that in 1720, politically motivated Masons, members of The Grand Lodge of London (now The United Grand Lodge of England) burned a large number of priceless and vital Masonic manuscripts concerning the history of the Fraternity in order to facilitate the claim that organised freemasonry started in the back room of a London Pub on the 24th June 1717.

There are still those (even here) who, despite knowledge, are prepared to defend this act of criminal vandalism and by doing so are as guilty as the original criminals. The reports and records of these events are included in the reading list that I have posted earlier in this thread. It included The Ashmole Manuscript.

I am not Grand Peter, just Peter please.