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believenothing
29-05-2013, 07:12 AM
So how do Jutes and Frisians fit into this?? And the so-called NORMANs?

What is the Freemasonry connection with the "Druze" and the ancient "Magi" ??

Is Ezekial 28's king of "Tyre" (LOL!!!) "Hiram" (Abiff) or Solomon (Lucifer) related to any of this???

I don't expect an honest answer from anybody affiliated with anything Masonic.

"The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone" is not the great pyramid's capstone or the "unfinished work". Masonic lore is a dead end.... but it is full of pedophilia, that has long been established. So you don't lie about their "secrets" and face blackmail. Either that or a "compass needle" in your chest... or your asshole. But you don't know anything either which means freemasons are just child-raping ignorant materialist fools who are all going to burn in eternal damnation for their crimes against Earth

eastbeast
29-05-2013, 07:57 AM
I don't expect an honest answer from anybody affiliated with anything Masonic.


Then you are not actually going to ever know anything truthful about Freemasonry.





it is full of pedophilia, that has long been established.



Where and when was this then?




So you don't lie about their "secrets" and face blackmail.


What?
What blackmail would this be then?
There is no blackmail, what would be the reason and purpose for any?






Either that or a "compass needle" in your chest... or your asshole.



You CTists all seem to have some issues regarding sex. Far too much projection which means you all have an unresolved liking for Anal sex and Kiddie-fiddling yourselves.






But you don't know anything either



Ah yes, that old tired and worn out argument 'you don't know anything, you are not high enough up the ladder, but I know everything as Wikipedia told me.'





which means freemasons are just child-raping ignorant materialist fools who are all going to burn in eternal damnation for their crimes against Earth



Yeah right.
You have some real mental problems.

pepsi78
29-05-2013, 08:49 AM
So you're making an assumption.

It's not asuption when different artists draw the same.
It's clear then. The eye pyramid stays on boys, we want it on, now make it nicer!!!

Well, you have yet to prove that and Freemasonry didn't use the Eye until after the creation of the Great Seal.

That is not true. I know of masonry using the eye symbol before the great seal, I had authentic masonic lodge depiction with double eagle head and-eye&triangle picture dating before the great seal, so I know you are not telling the truth. But I no longer have the picture, but don't worry I'll find it on the internet. One thing I know is that you are not telling the truth.

Here is our debate on ATS with Version100 quoting the following.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread713447/pg13
Here's an end to at least part of this argument:
This is a lodge charter dated 1771.
As we can clearly see the Pyramid with all seeing eye is plainly visible.
What refutation can be brought against this image ?


Here is your quote after.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread713447/pg13
I see an eye within a triangle (representing the either the holy trinity or the 3 great attributes of God).

Again though, this is one Lodge's charter, not necessarily evidence of widespread use by the entire Fraternity. I mean the eagle is not widely seen or used by the Blue Lodge. Nor does the eagle make an appearance in the 3rd degree. I'm still waiting for someone to show me what degree the pyramid makes an appearance in.



You know what this makes you ? It makes you a liar
I have copied the image but I lost it, and ATS erased it from the thread, but the writting on the wall on that foruml is there, showing that you are ling, and that you with your own words wrote " I see an eye within a triangle " and knew about this.

obvious....1771 is before the great seal(1782) and if I want to find more of such examples, all I have to do is start digging on the internet in a serious manner and I'll find more such examples.
But it's not worth it, because I'm not going to spend my time on this, but this just shows that you are not telling the truth.




http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l70/IDARNG_Loki/Slide30.gif

This just proves my point, at least two people drew the same thing, but it's more than two people.

All part of the effort to make the seal.

First
http://greatseal.com/symbols/EyeSimitiereSketch.jpg

Second
http://greatseal.com/committees/thirdcomm/BartonReverse.jpg

Third
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/US-GreatSeal-Hunt1909Reverse.jpg/110px-US-GreatSeal-Hunt1909Reverse.jpg

That is 3 times in a row.


Neither does the Great Seal. The concept of a pyramid came from the Hopkinson pyramid as it was an unfinished pyramid just as is seen on the Great Seal.

The eye was never without the triangle/pyramid once they add it to the seal from the first version to the last with the eye included, that is the Hopkinson pyramid and it was never included on the seal without an eye. Simply what you say is not true. From the start of the design it had an eye and a pyramid/triangle.
They took the eye from secret societies and applied it to the pyramid.





Obviously the designs differed as seen above.

The two models with pyramid and eye when they put the pyramid onto it , it just shows that the approval bunch wanted the eye and the pyramid so it had to stay on in the end.
It also shows that from all the models that were, only the eye/pyramid was duplicated in concept, and that other depictions were not duplicated at all , they were just put aside.
It just shows they wanted the eye/pyramid.

fluxed
29-05-2013, 12:21 PM
Modern freemasonry is very young, it started with the wealthy sirs and lords of Europe that liked to study the occult symbology and meanings of the ancient world, Freemasonry may have sprang out of Rosocrucianism.

They just picked up on the ancient craft where others left off, if some of the masons who founded the free masonic fraternity may have some relative connections to the ancient practicioners, then that is something else.I don't doubt this can be true since this concept of Zionism is very old, blood line etc. In fact they joined up with the Zionist blood line and are currently working as a whole.
But it is not known if these blood lines were at the foundation of masonry, it may just have been these lords and sirs across Europe. What is for sure is that they united with the Zionists.

Masonry can't even be proven to be related to the knights templars, altho masons adore them, there might be some connection from the templars but no one knows for sure.
Some elements may indicate so, as in those Templars who made it alive out of persecution of the church went on and integrated into these societies, or founded some of them.


What is sure is that they took these symbols and introduced them into the public society, churches and so on, then claimed they were christian/normal to better serve their agenda towards the NWO. To my opinion they picked up along with the Zionists, in my opinion they are Zionists, bent on building this disgusting NWO made out of slime and sleaze.

It's not just the masons, but all these secret societies are all alike along with what was the Bavarian Illuminati with the Utopia (NWO)


You are right for Masonry being an Alias, it's all the same people behind these societies.

Human nature is so predictable.
Back in ancient times, a 'godly' being introduced himself,
to a 'roaming' bunch of criminals.
Near abydos, in ancient Egypt.

The criminals were ideal for the role of invader/
robber etc....

This godly thoth character was known, as a 'TRICKSTER',
in scriptures and accounts of ancient times.

So everything the modern prophet explains, fits perfectly
with my own deductions.

Thoth met with these criminals. One of them spent
much time making it through the secret society
initiation. ( thoth brotherhood ).

After a few years, the criminal was elevated to the status
of king/ruler/god and started the first dynasty
of Egypt.

Thoth designed the Egyptian mysteries, which
IS THE FIRST RELIGION OF SALVATION ON EARTH.

The pharaoh was fooled into converting and trusting
thoths new religion.


So, in summary, this human group of 'hebraons',
as the prophet calls them, GOT A JOB WITH THOTH.

The family group were selected as 'employee's'
for the pharaoh - keep it in the family.

Pharaohs was high priest. His family group took
on roles such as priests and masons etc...

The most important jobs in ancient Egypt,
were handed to family members of the
new pharaoh. Just like today.

Over time, the priests and masons/engineers,
got greedy for power and contested pharaoh.

Just like today, it is pharaoh blood against pharaoh
blood,just like it was back them.

Russia / China / SAfrica / SAmerica - EVERYWHERE
we will find branches of this masonic/pharaonic
family.

The royal family are actually proud of being
a criminal gang. Evident today.

speculative
29-05-2013, 05:34 PM
believnothing, I am very glad that you are not in any authoritative position, your lies and hate would have us all gassed with your fake stories.

pepsi, As I have always said "If you can show me something I do not know, I will not make a personal opinion until I have studdied it." You have shown me something that I do not, and true to my word I am now making a study myself.

We know that both christianity and other societies were using it in the 1600's I am now trying to look to earlier, however I see your difficulty with studying it; there are too many images out there to get any sort of reliable data. Added to my works firewall it isnt easy, but I am still working, I may have more luck in just over a week when I get home.

Fluxed, I thought all the pharohs were in the inner circle, now they are fighting each other??!! Also Thoth created the Egyptian religion did he? all of it? thats quite some task!!

pepsi78
29-05-2013, 07:17 PM
pepsi, As I have always said "If you can show me something I do not know, I will not make a personal opinion until I have studdied it." You have shown me something that I do not, and true to my word I am now making a study myself.


What do you know an honest mason :D
This just shows you are a lower level mason, you still have honesty in you.
If it was Ksig mason, he would never admit to anything.

The higher you go in the masonic degrees the more you will loose your true self, but you will see for your self. Masonry is about making robots my friend not better men, logical robots. Some has seen this and exited the brotherhood. My opinion alone when I think that there is a way to learn everything and still remain your self, but it's not within masonry's grasps and capability.

Think of it this way, you want to become a lord, or you want to become a JEDI ;) for the republic

As I told people, it's about the lords and sirs, it's what it is intended, a lord or sir, it's what you become out of it

Here is what you will exit as. :D
http://arts-wallpapers.com/movie_wallpapers/Star-Wars_Film-Wallpaper/images/episode%20iii%20rise%20lord%20vader.jpg

Cheers.

speculative
29-05-2013, 07:26 PM
I was talking to limesub a few weeks back. I also promised that I would let him know if as I moved through the side orders, I found anything dodgey and I will keep to that. At the moment after having already done two other orders, and in the pipeline for a further 3, I have not seen any title hungry people, we will see as I go.

For the recvord, personally I do not think I will find anything dark or sinister, and titles are of no use to me, if I ever make Captain, that is the highest title I will ever get.

Quick edit: By the way, a Mason who does NOT study and try to learn more, is not applying the basic teachings of Masonry :D, heck I have been at sea for 14 years now and I am STILL studying, and that is just professionally! :D

heartbeatsalute
29-05-2013, 07:29 PM
What do you know an honest mason :D
This just shows you are a lower level mason, you still have honesty in you.
If it was Ksig mason, he would never admit to anything.

The higher you go in the masonic degrees the more you will loose your true self, but you will see for your self. Masonry is about making robots my friend not better men, logical robots. Some has seen this and exited the brotherhood. My opinion alone when I think that there is a way to learn everything and still remain your self, but it's not within masonry's grasps and capability.

Think of it this way, you want to become a lord, or you want to become a JEDI ;) for the republic

As I told people, it's about the lords and sirs, it's what it is intended, a lord or sir, it's what you become out of it

Here is what you will exit as. :D
http://arts-wallpapers.com/movie_wallpapers/Star-Wars_Film-Wallpaper/images/episode%20iii%20rise%20lord%20vader.jpg

Cheers.



http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/buchachon/buchachon1108/buchachon110800299/10370624-woman-handshake-with-robot-hand-isolated-on-white-background.jpg

ksigmason
29-05-2013, 08:57 PM
Is Ezekial 28's king of "Tyre" (LOL!!!) "Hiram" (Abiff) or Solomon (Lucifer) related to any of this???
What's so funny about Tyre? How is Solomon linked to Lucifer?

I don't expect an honest answer from anybody affiliated with anything Masonic.
Then why ask?

Masonic lore is a dead end.... but it is full of pedophilia, that has long been established.
In your opinion it's a dead. How are we full of pedophilia?

So you don't lie about their "secrets" and face blackmail.
Incorrect.

But you don't know anything either which means freemasons are just child-raping ignorant materialist fools who are all going to burn in eternal damnation for their crimes against Earth
Uh huh :rolleyes: Too bad you can't prove any of this filth you posted.

It's not asuption when different artists draw the same.
Ugh, you're not going to get it. Charles Thomson took aspects of the first 3-committees. The designs were not all the same as you infer.

That is not true. I know of masonry using the eye symbol before the great seal...
Then post an image with a date of use and what Lodge it came from.

But I no longer have the picture, but don't worry I'll find it on the internet.
Of course you don't. :rolleyes:

Here is our debate on ATS with Version100 quoting the following.
The image link is broken. It could be anything. Plus, the All-Seeing Eye was not an institutionally used until after the Great Seal. Also, a pyramid is not the same as a triangle; they are two different shapes.

Your "logic" is weird. I mean, my Grand Commandery uses the elk on our seal, but that doesn't mean the elk is a Masonic symbol, it doesn't make it an institutional symbol. This is something you don't seem to get. A Masonic symbol is something originating out of the degrees and rituals.

That is 3 times in a row.
Those were not the only designs.

Simply what you say is not true.
It's historical fact.

From the start of the design it had an eye and a pyramid/triangle.
Incorrect. There were more than just those designs you have posted.

They took the eye from secret societies and applied it to the pyramid.
In your opinion. Symbols are not exclusive to any group. You have not shown any Masonic involvement in placing the eye on the Seal.

This godly thoth character was known, as a 'TRICKSTER',
in scriptures and accounts of ancient times.
Except Thoth was not the trickster, that was Set.

So everything the modern prophet explains, fits perfectly
with my own deductions.
You hear what you want to hear.

Thoth met with these criminals.
I'm guessing this is one of those things that your "prophet" told you.

pepsi78
29-05-2013, 09:14 PM
The image link is broken. It could be anything. Plus, the All-Seeing Eye was not an institutionally used until after the Great Seal. Also, a pyramid is not the same as a triangle; they are two different shapes.

The link is just fine, I know it is, and who will click on it will see it's fine, it's just your excuse to facing facts, you live in denial.


Also, a pyramid is not the same as a triangle

Wrong again.
Can't you see the eye it's self is in a triangle shape, it is the cap stone, regardless if the pyramid as a whole is a representation of a triangle or not.
Here what the designer said:

On June 20, 1782, Congress approved Thomson’s design for both sides of the Great Seal whose official description for the reverse side specifies:
“A Pyramid unfinished. In the Zenith an Eye in a triangle surrounded with a glory proper. Over the Eye these words ‘Annuit Cœptis’.”

The eye in the triangle(cap stone), the cap stone of the pyramid represented the triangle in the view of the designer who finished the seal. (Thomson)
Who are you to disagree if Thomson said so. He designed it, it was his interpretation of what it meant.


Your "logic" is weird. I mean, my Grand Commandery uses the elk on our seal, but that doesn't mean the elk is a Masonic symbol, it doesn't make it an institutional symbol. This is something you don't seem to get. A Masonic symbol is something originating out of the degrees and rituals.

Eye+triangle depicted in masonic art before the great seal.
You can say what you want.



Those were not the only designs.

For sure they are not, but once they got implemented they had to stick to the idea of eye-pyramid/triangle and everything was put aside.
Different designes and all done by different individuals but with the same concept.
I guess they told each other (draw an eye and a pyramid) then the next one told the other, draw the pyramid and an eye. How silly is this.
Or the people ruling united states told them, this is what we want, continue on this line, we want something like eye triangle, now get going!!!! (very deductive)

In fact it's more than 3.
Here is another one, yet another refused version, and guess what, it has the eye/triangle.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/FirstCommitteeGreatSealObverseLossingDrawing.jpg/600px-FirstCommitteeGreatSealObverseLossingDrawing.jpg
This was drawn by another guy named Benson.
Interpretation of the first committee's seal proposal, made by Benson Lossing in 1856. The obverse drawing is slightly incorrect; the linked state initials should be on the shield itself.

Isn't it funny that all got inspired to draw the same thing.


Incorrect. There were more than just those designs you have posted.

And they all got put aside in favor of the designs with the eye.


In your opinion. Symbols are not exclusive to any group. You have not shown any Masonic involvement in placing the eye on the Seal.

Sure I have, it came from the fraternities that were at that time at the helm of United States. Rosocrucianism and masonry.

It's clear that the designs with the pyramid and eye were in favor of the rest, as a result the rest were not duplicated in concept and only the designes with the eye pyramid were refined.

Different artists designed the same thing in concept (eye+pyramid/triangle)
because they were told to, it's what they wanted.
This alone shows involvement.

offramp
29-05-2013, 09:22 PM
Most of the CTists are Muslims.
You can tell because they deny that 9/11 happened, hate Jews and Masons and are paedophiles. That has been proved.

fluxed
30-05-2013, 12:47 PM
Fluxed, I thought all the pharohs were in the inner circle, now they are fighting each other??!! Also Thoth created the Egyptian religion did he? all of it? thats quite some task!!

Notice the attempt at 'confusing' matters.Typical.

Pro-masons, is there a royal family here today?

Then why is it so hard to accept that the Queen is
a distant relative of King David, and thus pharaoh?

And as for you solomon...

(1 Kings 3:1)

And Solomon made affinity with Pharaoh king of Egypt,
and took Pharaoh's daughter, and brought her into the
city of David, until he had made an end of building his
own house, and the house of the LORD, and the
wall of Jerusalem round about.

Where ever we look in history, we see this royal
mixture of DNA.


'It is also of interest that the last European
Monarchy that has anointed Monarchs in the
tradition of the Kings of Judah is the British
Monarchy that today counts the majority
of the Davidic descendants among its population.'

http://ionamiller.weebly.com/scota.html


Any pro-masons who argue, with regards to Thoth
being the designer, you are lacking in history.

Thoth was the MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER
in human history, where kingship & religion
are concerned.

Power by human means alone, since the first kings
of ancient Africa, was never possible.
Only via the employment of a god, would they
gain & retain power. Thoth planted this idea.

'Thoth is of first importance to Masonic scholars,
because he was the author of the Masonic initiatory
rituals, which were borrowed from the Mysteries
established by Thoth. Nearly all of the Masonic
symbols are Hermetic in character.
Pythagoras studied mathematics with the
Egyptians and from them gained his knowledge
of the symbolic geometric solids.
Thoth is also revered for his reformation
of the calendar system.
He increased the year from 360 to 365 days,
thus establishing a precedent which still prevails.'

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta08.htm

fluxed
30-05-2013, 12:53 PM
... I have not seen any title hungry people, we will see as I go.

For the recvord, personally I do not think I will find anything dark or sinister, and titles are of no use to me, if I ever make Captain, that is the highest title I will ever get.




Then you are turning away...


'In the autumn of 1997, the British Commons
Home Affairs Select Committee demanded a list
from the United Grand Lodge of England,
of freemasons employed in the criminal
justice system. Within the police in West Midlands,
masonic corruption was widespread.
Four out of five police officers were freemasons,
and to a non-mason it was very hard to make a career.'

For more than 200 years, many of America`s state,
federal, municipal, county and other public buildings
such as churches, schools, libraries and hospitals
have been laid with Masonic ceremonies. ''

Confirming my deduction -
USA RULED TODAY BY THE GERMAN MONARCHY

''1951 Fred Longden wanted a Royal Commission
of Inquiry into Freemasonry, but this was rejected
by Herbert Morrison''

fluxed
30-05-2013, 01:23 PM
Except Thoth was not the trickster, that was Set.


Defending your master are you.....ah...

Set was in actual fact, the introducer of alcohol.
No human on this planet was intoxicated by alcohol,
prior to Set and gang.( 30,000BC )

pro-masons, before coming here - LEARN YOUR HISTORY.

''But Apollo was seized with a longing not to be
allayed, and he opened his mouth and spoke
winged words to Thoth:

(ll. 436-462) 'Slayer of oxen, trickster, busy one, comrade of the feast, this song of yours is worth fifty cows, and I believe that presently we shall settle our quarrel peacefully.''

ref:HESIOD,THE HOMERIC HYMNS,AND HOMERICA

What was you saying...pro-mason?

You think i come here on a whim?

A visit from E.T, passed an impulse pertaining to
Thoth. The advanced man was a criminal and trickster.
He took advantage of the foolish pharaoh hebrons.

Dress it up all you like.

"In Egypt Thoth instituted hieroglyphics: he selected
a certain number of persons whom he judged
fitted to be the depositories of his secrets,
of such only as were capable at attaining the
throne and the first offices in the Mysteries,
he united them in a body, created them Priests
of the Living God, instructed them in the sciences
and arts, and explained to them the symbols
by which they were veiled."

'Thoth is of first importance to Masonic scholars,
because he was the author of the Masonic initiatory
rituals, which were borrowed from the Mysteries
established by Thoth. Nearly all of the Masonic
symbols are Hermetic in character.
Pythagoras studied mathematics with the
Egyptians and from them gained his knowledge
of the symbolic geometric solids.
Thoth is also revered for his reformation
of the calendar system.
He increased the year from 360 to 365 days,
thus establishing a precedent which still prevails.'

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta08.htm

bikerdruid
30-05-2013, 04:33 PM
Most of the CTists are Muslims.
You can tell because they deny that 9/11 happened, hate Jews and Masons and are paedophiles. That has been proved.
most conspiracy theorists are muslim?
are you sure that is what you meant to say?
we know they are muslims because they are pedophiles??
are most muslims pedophiles?
please, show us the proof you claim.

bikerdruid
30-05-2013, 04:36 PM
You think i come here on a whim?

i have not figured out what the heck you are doing?

ksigmason
30-05-2013, 05:05 PM
Any pro-masons who argue, with regards to Thoth
being the designer, you are lacking in history.
No, you're just fabricating your own version of history.

Defending your master are you.....ah...
No, I'm defending history. Thoth was not the Trickster in Egyptian lore, that was the god Set.

pro-masons, before coming here - LEARN YOUR HISTORY.
You mean your version of history.

You think i come here on a whim?
I would never want to guess what was in your mind.

oiram
30-05-2013, 05:39 PM
http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/masonheadpiece.gif (http://www.sirbacon.org/masonheadpiece.html)

The Masonic Headpiece placed at the Head of Shakespeare's Sonnets in 1723, the year Grand Lodge announced it's existence to the World

The Freemasons emerged from their hiding places in 1723 and let the world know of their existence officially. In 1723-25 Alexander Pope and Dr. Sewell published "Shakespeare's Sonnets"(the Benson Medley Edition). The above illustration is the headpiece from it---a remarkable example of Masonic Symbolism. On the left is to be seen the Square and Compasses, the Mask, and the clasped book with the Pallette and brushes. There is also the special Cross "T's" of the Knight's Degree. In the centre are the Three Principals hailing the Sun. At the back of the third figure are the initials "F.B." On the right side are the organ pipes indicative of the "New Organ," (Novum Organum) with the Cock and Serpent of the Higher Christian Degrees. These same symbols were afterwards used in the tail-piece of Dr. Peter Shaw's edition of Francis Bacon's works. They distinctly show the connection between "Shakespeare's Sonnets" and the "Great Instauration" of Francis Bacon.

The Creation and organization of the Ethical Brotherhood was in fact Part VI to which he says "all the rest are subservient," including the Shakespeare Plays, Part IV.

I directly call the attention of the above symbolism to all Masonic Research Associations, and particularly the Quatuor Coronati Research Lodge of London who are investigating the Genesis and Origins of Freemasonry, noting also the same Symbolism on pages 273 and 267, as well as 43,44, 252, 257, 261, 263, 269, 274, 176 and the Ritual Contractions pp.278-287.

In Francis Bacon is to be found the Secret of Freemasonry and the Origin of the Modern Mystery. The time is over-ripe for ALL Freemasons to know the Truth of their Craft. The Quatuor Coronati has hitherto neglected the ancient Elizabethan books. If the scholars will but search them they will find the Key-Stone. It is not too late to make that Stone which the Builders rejected THE HEAD OF THE CORNER.
http://www.sirbacon.org/masonheadpiece.html (http://www.sirbacon.org/masonheadpiece.html)


http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/1624paris2.jpg (http://www.sirbacon.org/imtitlepageparis.htm)

HIS BIRTH THE "IM" TITLE PAGE: The title page of a Latin translation of Bacon's Advancement of Learning, published in Paris in 1624 as De Digniate Et Augmentis Scientiarum. The emblematic picture on this title page was shrewdly designed to reveal the just identity of the author. It was designed to be of much value, and, in a narrow compass, to reveal to those who could decipher it, the true identity of the author, Francis Bacon. The capital letters "IM" in the small oval space at the bottom of the picture are of great importance. The "IM" in Latin is equivalent to the words is, or init or I am in English. The letters "IM" are placed over an old Guild or Operative Mason's mark in the emblem, therefore Bacon is saying that I am an Operative Mason. It was common practice for the Guild and Operative Mason of ancient times to place his special mark, indented, into his finished work so that each stone he processed could be easily identified. In Bacon's time, there were very few of the Operative Masons who could read or write; they used their Masonic mark as signatures. The portion of the mark extending above the letters "IM" might easily be identified as an Operative Mason's mark, and that portion extending below the letters might be considered the square and compass which is a Freemason's emblem. If the records of the Guild or Operative Mason's of Bacon's time could be found, they might reveal that the particular mark under the "IM" was assigned to Francis Bacon. In the larger oval space of this emblematic picture, there is a Fleur-de-lis and a Coronet immediately above it. The Fleur-de-lis has a light and a dark side which simulate the light and dark side of the "A", one of the secret signatures of the Knights of the Helmet. It was part of the Royal Arms of England from 1340 to 1801, and was used as an emblem on the coronet worn by the Prince of Wales; it was used on the coronet worn by the younger son and brother of the blood royal. From this, one finds that Bacon is saying, in the emblem, that he is or I am of royal blood, I am a Prince. ... BACON-MASONRY, by George Tudhope; 1954 pp.70-74.
http://www.sirbacon.org/imtitlepageparis.htm (http://www.sirbacon.org/imtitlepageparis.htm)



The Second Table of Solomon

http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/soltable.gif (http://www.sirbacon.org/solomontable.htm)

illustration from Das Scach Order Koenigspiel,
by August, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg

It is certainly true that Pluto's helmet had this faculty of invisibility. Bacon himself in his private notebook the Promus (see Chapter 33) made an entry (Folio 97, reverse No. 705): "Pluto's Helmet; secrecy, invisibility". Pluto was the Roman name for Hades, and, according to a Baconian, it was from Hades that Pallas borrowed her helmet (and used it to cover the foot soldiers of 100 towns). --Nigel Cockburn from The Bacon-Shakespeare Question


from Peter Dawkins' excellent book Dedication to the Light

In this engraving from a good friend and colleague of Francis Bacon's, the dinner of a cabbalistic 'lodge' is depicted, similar to that described by Francis Bacon in his book The French Academie (published anonymously). The group of nine consist of "the tutor"(standing, hatted, back to fireplace), the "four fathers" (seated, and hatted), and the "four sons" (without hats---three seated and one pouring the wine). The spiritual presence of the "wise old gentleman", whose house it is, is understood and represented by the fire, giving the perfect cabbalistic 'Ten', or the 'Nine from One.' They meet and dine on the chequered 'Mosaic floor', in true fellowship and "rememberance". The picture repays study, for it is filled with meaningful symbol, from the numerology of various parts to the design of the furniture, clothing, postures adopted, gestures made, and so forth. The hats here are as used by Francis Bacon in his "Order of the Knights of the Helmet"--the hat, like the helmet of Pallas Athena, being a symbol of wisdom-knowledge (i.e. illumination) and invisibility (i.e. to the ignorant, who would not understand or 'see', and also indicating secrecy--the protection and preservation of that which is sacred from being profane or abused by the wilful ignorant). The Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg was responsible for having the plates engraved for Gustavi Seleni's book, Crypotemenytices et Cryptographiae, a book on cipher in which it is believed for several good reasons that Bacon played a leading role in compiling and/or even writing.
http://www.sirbacon.org/solomontable.htm (http://www.sirbacon.org/solomontable.htm)

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=753337&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1362536298http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=753345&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1362536785http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=753647&d=1362593929&thumb=1 (http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/339264-colonial-engraved-silver-400-seated-coin-big-1700s-silver-military-3.html)

speculative
30-05-2013, 05:48 PM
most conspiracy theorists are muslim?
are you sure that is what you meant to say?
we know they are muslims because they are pedophiles??
are most muslims pedophiles.
please, show us your proof.

Hi Biker, I believe that was a tongue in cheek version of how the Masons are described by the general CT.

"We are evil because we keep secrets and are all gay pedophiles, its true because its on the forum."
:D

oiram
30-05-2013, 06:01 PM
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/kneph/the_kneph02.jpg (http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2008/02/growing-more-into-truth.html)

Symbols in many images can have multiple levels of meanings according to author & Co-Mason Dr. Robert Heironimus. The Great Seal is an important symbol of America. On 1776, the Committee of the Continential Congress called upon Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Ben Franklin to design the Great Seal. Others assisted like Austrian artist Pierre Eugene Du Simitiere to help create the symbol. It's interesting to note that Pierre was another member of the American Philosophical Society. He suggested adoption of the US motto E pluribus unum. William Barton and Charles Thompson were called to help additionally. The Seal was offically placed on the One Dollar Bill in the year of 1935 under the order of 32nd Degree Freemason and Shriner Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

The modern Great Seal was also supported by 32nd Degree Freemason Henry Wallace (whose spiritual advisor was a man named Nicholas Roerich. Roerich was a Rosicucrian and the member of the Theosophical Society). Freemason Secretary of Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr., was additionally involved in the 1935 dollar bill design. Nicholas Roerich was looking for the lost city of Shambala. He studied in Nepal and Tibet. It was these same Rosicurcians that either led or inspired many other Secret Societies like the Freemasons to conduct the American Revolution. One famous logo on the Seal is "Novus Ordo Seclorum" meaning the "new order of the ages" in Latin. The creators of the Great Seal want a new American age which started in July 4, 1776. It's fortunate that the architects of the Great made a brief explanation of the Great Seal in June 20, 1782. The Pyramid is a blatant motiff of ancient Egypt. Pharoahs were buried there. Pyramids were created for many reasons like preserved pharoahs and signalling star patterns. According to David Ovason, the Pyramid was utilized in the Great Seal as a symbol of stability in hope that America would stabilize for centuries. Dr. Robert Hieronimus believed that the John Greaves' published book entitled "Pyramidographia" (of its Giza Plateau and Great Pyramid) was a model for the reverse side of the Great Seal. They pyramid (the words literally means "amidst the fire") looks similar to the peaks of mountains (where some occultist conduct rituals and worship false gods). Even the Himalayas are praised by Theosophists. There is one eye in the Seal. In Freemasonry works, many Freemasons admit to the Egyptian Mysteries as possessing influence in developing the concepts of their own Lodge.

Historically, that single eye was called the eye of Horus, Osiris, Jupiter, etc spanning thousands of years. This is validated in Thomas Milton Stewart's "The Symbolism of the Gods of the Egyptians and the Light they Throw on Freemasonry" book, John Daniel's "Scarlet and the Beast", Vol. III, pgs. 6-7, and Robert Kieth Spencer's "The Cult of the All Seeing Eye" book on pg. 32. Manly P. Hall wrote (as recorded by Ralph Epperson's research) that the All Seeing Eye in the One Dollar Bill means: "...The eye above the pyramid represents the radiant emblem of the Great Architect of the Universe..." and "The eye was also the symbol of Osiris....Osiris, the sun and principle of good...Osiris was the chief god of the Egyptians. Osiris was the sun. An eye in honor of the great eye of the universe the sun." Manly P. Hall also wrote that:
“On the reverse of our nation's Great Seal is an unfinished pyramid to represent human society itself, imperfect and incomplete. Above floats the symbol of the esoteric orders, the radiant triangle with its all-seeing eye. ... There is only one possible origin for these symbols, and that is the secret societies which came to this country 150 years before the Revolutionary War. ... There can be no question that the great seal was directly inspired by these orders of the human Quest, and that it set forth the purpose for this nation. ...”

- Manly P. Hall, The Secret Destiny of America, pp. 174, 181. Albert Pike described the All Seeing Eye as these words:
“...the All-Seeing Eye, ...to the Egyptian initiates was the emblem of Osiris, the Creator.”
“... His [Osiris] power was symbolized by an Eye over a Sceptre. The Sun was termed by the Greeks the Eye of Jupiter, and the Eye of the World; and his is the All-Seeing Eye in our Lodges.”

- Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, pp. 15-16; 472
Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma book on pg. 281 cite Amun Ra as the Egyptian Sun false god:
"..The Supreme Being of the Egyptians was Amun, a secret and concealed God, the Unknown Father of the Gnostics, the Source of Divine Life and of all force, the Plenitude of all, comprehending all things in Himself, the original Light. He creates nothing; but everything emanates from Him; and all other Gods are but His Manifestations. From Him, by the utterance of a Word, emanated Neith, the Divine Mother of all things, the Primitive Thought, the Force that puts everything in movement, the Spirit everywhere extended, the Deity of Light and Mother of the Sun..."

Many Masons deny that God created the whole Universe and some praise the sun god. You couldn't make this stuff up. This of course is wrong since God created the Universe and the sun is just a star. Many Masons are known to worship or praise Lucifer (Satan) like Manly P. Hall and Albert Pike. I have quotes of them and others doing that. The single eye is a Masonic symbol and is found in logos of the Square and Compass. Ed Parker (a Christian researcher) recorded an Eye in a triangle at the headquarters of Freemasonry in Queensland, Australia (inlcuding a logo of the Perseverance Lodge of Hong Kong, which was created in 1867). Also, Masonic Lodges readily show the Eye. Even George Washington's Apron has an All Seeing Eye emblem on it. The Eye to those creating the Great Seal may refer to God to them, but no where in scripture refers to God as having One Eye. Therefore, One Eye readily in ancient times goes back to the Ancient Mystery Religions.

Freemasons may have not been involved totally in the Greal Seal, but they have approved it, made commentaries on it (like in The February 1971 edition of The New Age Magazine has an article about the Great Seal of America, pp. 51-5. Simply titled "The Great Seal of the United States," Elmer W. Claypool, 32° Freemason is the author of that article) , and Freemasons supported its imagery on the One Dollar Bill. Manly P. Hall, a 33rd Degree Freemason said it best:
http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2008/02/growing-more-into-truth.html (http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2008/02/growing-more-into-truth.html)

oiram
30-05-2013, 06:52 PM
The PONTIFF as a Representative of the Eye
Some of you have made comments, privately and publicly, that some haze is falling from your eyes. In order to help further the exercise, we are going to release a higher level code so that some of you may build on some of your previous success as you gain in your ability to to see behind the Veil of Isis (Speech).
This simple yet effective code will provide you with a very substantial clue into word "letter/number" pattern recognition.

So if you would like to give it a try before reading the whole article, the following are your clues.

PONTIFF is the code. The Letter E is the key. The archetypical manifestation is that "the Pontiff is a representative of the Eye" by virtue of one missing letter number (the 7th letter of the sequence).

The code provides insights into how the larger "Illuminatus Letter Number System" has been constructed and set against Letter/Number/Sound.

If you are to learn to pierce the "Veil of Isis", raising your awareness as to the totality of the structure set against Letter/Number/Sound becomes critical as a foundation point. Again, this article simply builds on previous insights. In and of itself, the word PONTIFF is not such an easy word to solve.

Insights into the Letter E

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/TheFetch/Isisian%20Codes/Delphi.png (http://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html#axzz2UnWw6b5c)

IF EVER there was any doubt to the half interested student, or marginally proficient academic that there is and remains an Occult foundation to the Alphabet, such doubts should be plainly put to rest through a serious inquiry into the Letter E.

Specifically, we are dealing with Plutarch's "On the Letter E at Delphi", where Plutarch dedicates a whole treatise to the Letter.

And if there are any doubts that the Letters are being referred to as "gods", and the Alphabet "The God", should too, be put to rest with same said inquiry into the philosophy surrounding the Letter E. But as is often the case, old beliefs die hard, and that is PRECISELY HOW THE CRAFT behind the Letters wishes it to be.

Nothing preserves secrets better than a wall of well meaning educated ignorance in blissful plausible denial. This is all by design and the process has been ongoing for quite some time. Says Plutarch,

"'But all that', he said, 'is pernicious nonsense. Lamprias, however, has, probably without knowing it, made a move which stirs up all who have to do with the temple against his view. What he told us was unknown to any of the Delphians; they used to give the regular guides' account, that neither the appearance nor the sound of the letter has any significance, but only the name.'"

For indeed, if Lamprias could speak of hidden knowledge regarding the Letter E to Delphians, then surely the planned segregation of knowledge from one group to another is a hallmark of the Illuminatus Systems stretching back at least some 1700 years. How much more refined the segregation of knowledge as time proceeds forth?

An Example of an Occult Signature in Literature
http://www.greatdreams.com/delphi.jpg (http://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html#axzz2UnWw6b5c)

Through Lamprias, Plutarch gives us an insight into basics of political agendae. Each competing group seeks to put forward its own version of "reality" and "accepted truths". In the case of the Delphians, as noted above, the prevailing opinion as told by Plutarch is that the Delphians themselves attached no significant significance to either the shape or the sound of the Letter E (e), giving significance to only the name. Lamprias, on the other hand, has evidently spoken of many things regarding the letter E, presumably giving esoteric insights into not only the name, but also the shape and the sound.

These competing views, one of an established order as say "the Delphians" with their views of their own self proclaimed (and publicly acknowledge) service to the Letter E appears, if we are to take Plutarch at some face value, to be in some direct conflict with the views as espoused by Lamprias.

Lamprias' ability to "cause a stir" is in some direct proportion to his ability to attack at an intellectual and emotional level the core belief systems of the prevailing views of the Delphians.

Such "ire" we can equate to evidence of "an occult residue" being referenced in the literary record. If Lamprias was weak in his presentation, then there would be little cause for the Delphians to have become "stirred up". Having the ability to stir up the status quo presumes a presentation with enough power and persuasion such as to attack the foundational belief system of the status quo. In matters "religious import", say, as that surrounding the priest craft and the Temple at Delphi, such knowledge typically cannot be had save for some foundation in a competing or parallel Occult system that is comprised of an even larger base of knowledge.

Lamprias could "cause a stir" precisely because he would have known the foundational elements upon which to attack the core belief systems of the Delphians. Such ability can be seen as evidence of a higher initiatory knowledge, and the conversation as put forward by Plutarch in "On the Letter E at Delphi" is clearly hinting at such a reality.

There is "the Letter E" as advanced by the Delphians and there is "the Letter E as advanced by Lamprias, who should be seen as a higher based (non-public) initiatory school also focused on some parallel knowledge of the Letter E.

The Primary Properties of the Letter E

http://www.hermes3.net/images/Rain/osirduat1.jpg
The Letter E has many properties, a veritable key to the psyche. Says Plutarch in "On the Letter E at Delphi",

http://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html#axzz2UnWw6b5c (http://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html#axzz2UnWw6b5c)

speculative
30-05-2013, 07:27 PM
I do not think anyone is sayint that Freemasons do not use the eye of providence, we do, as do many now.

I do not know any masons that say "god did not create the universe." can you tell me who please?

As to the great seal / pyramid / mason thing; I am actually grateful to pepsi here, it has given me a new avenue of study to look at when I get home, it is indeed proving interesting. (sadly I cannot get many of the links as they are of a religious nature and my ships firewall wont let me, but I can when I get home!) :D

Please tell m e what pike says about satan? and PLEASE dont give me the trip about the morning star, for goodness sake, that was written about the past name of Venus and has been debunked a thousand times.

Venus Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_(disambiguation))

As to egyptian mysteries, yes Masons have used egyptian symbols into SOME lodge rooms. Masonry is a philosophical system, we are told to study the liberal arts and sciences, one of which was astrology, Egyptians also made a study and so the esoteric thinking mason would of course make that leap...this does not mean we come directly FROM them any more than it means the designer of the game "call of duty" was actually in the first world war.

oiram
31-05-2013, 12:24 AM
Please tell m e what pike says about satan? and PLEASE dont give me the trip about the morning star, for goodness sake, that was written about the past name of Venus and has been debunked a thousand times.

Not sure what pike things about Satan ..... but I got this & in my head it all makes logical sense and fits all together without a miss.

I say that only these three links on its own should gives every person a clear general view what the entire game & story was about.

But the philosophical mindset needs to be switched on to translate some keywords used into humanly logical understanding terms.


In reality its simple to be understood; but in my case I needed to read the text ten times over to get the key characters into the correct place & setting ...... but people have to try to just switch off all you ever have been told. Read the texts in a neutral sort of way clean of any pollutions ..... like a child would listen to a bed time story!

The thing is if these texts sink in naturally; you also will get the clear message that the Satan/image was also the God/Gods in the beginning presenting himself to men through force of-cause.

Its also just logic that only a fictive God would promote his own being; to enforce his power.

A true God/image will not ever promote himself; because there is no need to do so knowing himself!

All the names of the so called Satan/image are given here ..... & all makes logical sense & fits together like a puzzle.

Don't ever judge anything by who or what wrote it ....... only the texts and contents & logic of the words are important. If there is no logic in a text forget it & place it in the bin.....
I would be the first to do so!
But when things make sense & you don't find any mistakes give it a chance is my motto!


On the Origin of the World
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html (http://gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html)


The Fashioning of This World

Yadabaoth united with the thoughtlessness (aponoia) within him.
He begot ruling authorities (exousia)
Modeling them on the incorruptible realms above.

The first is Athoth
The second is Harmas [called the eye of flame]
The third is Kalilaumbri
The fourth is Yabel
The fifth is Adonaiu [called Sabaoth]
The sixth is Cain [called the sun]
The seventh is Abel

The eighth is Abrisene
The ninth is Yobel
The tenth is Armupiel
The eleventh is Melcheir-adonein
The twelfth is Belias
Who rules over the very depth of Hades.

He made the first seven rulers to reign in the seven spheres of heaven.
He made the next five rulers to reign in the five depths of the abyss.

He shared a portion of his fire with them,
But shared none of the power of Light he had received from his mother.

[He is ignorant darkness.
When the Light mingled into the darkness
the darkness shone.
When darkness mixed with the Light,
the Light diminished,
No longer Light nor darkness but dim.]

This dim ruler has three names:
Yaldabaoth is the first.
Saklas is the second.
Samael is the third.
He is blasphemous through his thoughtlessness.
He said “I am God, and there is no God but me!”
Since he didn’t know where his own Power originated.

His rulers created seven Authorities for themselves.
Each of these Authorities created six demons apiece,
There came to be 365 demons altogether.

Here are the seven Authorities’ names and physical forms:
First, Athoth with a sheep’s face
Second, Eloaios with a donkey’s face
Third, Astaphaios with a hyena’s face
Fourth, Yao with the face of a seven headed snake
Fifth, Sabaoth who has the face of a dragon
Sixth, Adonin whose face is that of a monkey
Seventh, Sabbataios with a face of flame and fire.
These are the seven of the week.
These Authorities rule the world.
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html (http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html)


36. What is the Demiurge?

He is called Demiurge or "half-maker" because he had taken the divine substance and fashioned out of it a world. He is the spiritual being who had become forgetful of his origins, even of God. He thinks that he is God and there is no other God before him.

37. By what names is the Demiurge known?

In Gnostic scriptures he is called YALDABAOTH (child of chaos), SACLAS (fool) and SAMAEL (blind one). In later Gnosticizing lore he was at times identified with LUCIFER or SATAN, the prince of the powers of air.

38. Is the Demiurge evil?

He is classically regarded as flawed and foolish but not utterly evil. In medieval Gnostic traditions he became increasingly identified with evil.

39. Does the Demiurge have associates?

Yes, they are the Archons (rulers), and their desire is to rule over humans and other beings.
http://www.gnosis.org/ecclesia/catechism.htm (http://www.gnosis.org/ecclesia/catechism.htm)

ksigmason
31-05-2013, 01:45 AM
Symbols in many images can have multiple levels of meanings according to author & Co-Mason Dr. Robert Heironimus.
His writings are as relevant as yours.

Freemason Secretary of Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr., was additionally involved in the 1935 dollar bill design.
I'm a big fan of Morganthau as he wrote many things regarding International Relations and the Realist perspective. I would be very curious to know what evidence there is as I would love to count him among my Brothers.

You can misquote all you like, but you cannot show that a Mason designed the Great Seal nor did they order them to draw in a certain design. You are only assuming, that is all.

Many Masons deny that God created the whole Universe and some praise the sun god.
And you know this how? What are the statistics? What exactly is said? Really what I'm looking for is proof.

Many Masons are known to worship or praise Lucifer (Satan) like Manly P. Hall and Albert Pike.
Where did Pike ever say he worshiped Lucifer or Satan? If I remember right he was a Baptist.

Ed Parker (a Christian researcher) recorded an Eye in a triangle at the headquarters of Freemasonry in Queensland, Australia (inlcuding a logo of the Perseverance Lodge of Hong Kong, which was created in 1867).
It is an emblematic representation of Deity, of God.

The Eye to those creating the Great Seal may refer to God to them, but no where in scripture refers to God as having One Eye.
Nor does the use of the All-Seeing Eye infer that God has only one eye. That is an erroneous assumption on your part. The eye is an emblem of, a representation of, God not an actual description.

elshaper
31-05-2013, 02:44 AM
I do not think anyone is sayint that Freemasons do not use the eye of providence, we do, as do many now.

I do not know any masons that say "god did not create the universe." can you tell me who please?
As to the great seal / pyramid / mason thing; I am actually grateful to pepsi here, it has given me a new avenue of study to look at when I get home, it is indeed proving interesting. (sadly I cannot get many of the links as they are of a religious nature and my ships firewall wont let me, but I can when I get home!) :D

Please tell m e what pike says about satan? and PLEASE dont give me the trip about the morning star, for goodness sake, that was written about the past name of Venus and has been debunked a thousand times.

Venus Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_(disambiguation))

As to egyptian mysteries, yes Masons have used egyptian symbols into SOME lodge rooms. Masonry is a philosophical system, we are told to study the liberal arts and sciences, one of which was astrology, Egyptians also made a study and so the esoteric thinking mason would of course make that leap...this does not mean we come directly FROM them any more than it means the designer of the game "call of duty" was actually in the first world war.
I'm pretty sure atheist freemason would say 'God did not created the universe' :D

speculative
31-05-2013, 05:18 AM
I'm pretty sure atheist freemason would say 'God did not created the universe' :D

Actually, you are quite right here :D

But then then we get back to the argument of whether or not those lodges that admit masons who are athiests are recognised as "Masons" under the original group. As to BE a Mason you should have a belief in a Supreme being...it then gets all rather tricky! lol

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 10:37 AM
Communist mama Venus bitch with her communist (sons) masons, disgusting communist utopia. :rolleyes:

I have proven involvement in the great seal, also the bitch is also depicted on one of the seals that did not make it, they wanted her on the seal.

Not with the bitch, not with the other side, they are just fighting for power, don't chose sides, slimy greedy fucks.

http://europa.eu/abc/symbols/emblem/images/europ_flag/jaune.jpg
I present the EU flag.

US CAPITOL DOME.
Same o, Same o lady freedom(Venus) on top of the capitol dome with the 12 stars.
http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x6899067/lady_freedom_statue_us_capitol_dome_washington_dc_ 055DHA02929.jpg

Isn't it clear yet that these people want to rule the world (NWO)


DOWN WITH THE MASONIC ORGANIZATION :D

elshaper
31-05-2013, 11:58 AM
Actually, you are quite right here :D

But then then we get back to the argument of whether or not those lodges that admit masons who are athiests are recognised as "Masons" under the original group. As to BE a Mason you should have a belief in a Supreme being...it then gets all rather tricky! lol
oh dear....I thought all mason slaves either agreed amicably or obeyed the strict rules of the master. :D

pr0fanus
31-05-2013, 01:00 PM
Communist mama Venus bitch with her communist (sons) masons, disgusting communist utopia. :rolleyes:

I have proven involvement in the great seal, also the bitch is also depicted on one of the seals that did not make it, they wanted her on the seal.

Not with the bitch, not with the other side, they are just fighting for power, don't chose sides, slimy greedy fucks.

http://europa.eu/abc/symbols/emblem/images/europ_flag/jaune.jpg
I present the EU flag.

US CAPITOL DOME.
Same o, Same o lady freedom(Venus) on top of the capitol dome with the 12 stars.
http://www.visualphotos.com/photo/1x6899067/lady_freedom_statue_us_capitol_dome_washington_dc_ 055DHA02929.jpg

Isn't it clear yet that these people want to rule the world (NWO)


DOWN WITH THE MASONIC ORGANIZATION :D

Now, can you prove any of that?

fluxed
31-05-2013, 01:21 PM
As to egyptian mysteries, yes Masons have used egyptian symbols into SOME lodge rooms. Masonry is a philosophical system, we are told to study the liberal arts and sciences, one of which was astrology, Egyptians also made a study and so the esoteric thinking mason would of course make that leap...this does not mean we come directly FROM them any more than it means the designer of the game "call of duty" was actually in the first world war.


They are only freemasons who like bishops
ignore true history and concentrate on christian
doctrines and sources. Traditional cra*.

They should listen to truth, which the royals
fear more than anything.

The Egyptian mysteries is the core religion
on planet Earth. The true source of all
major religions.


I challenge any pro-mason here to actually show
me the errors in my history sources?

' President John Quincy Adams, President of
the U.S from 1825-1829 also referenced
the Murder of Morgan in a speech where
he spoke out against the Masonic Lodge!

President Adams speech gives the complete
details of the conspiracy of 6 Lodges and
69 Masons, some in high ranking governmental
positions in State and Military offices, working
together for the planned execution of one of
their own members who revealed the
secrets of the Lodge.'

You pro-masons must also face this eventuality, one day.

They will discard you, once you have been used.
They will also discard you, if you talk.

fluxed
31-05-2013, 01:31 PM
Any one who would trust these pro-masons;
Ksigmason, speculative etc.....

Please, just look into the history of Egypt.
The Egyptian mysteries were around thousands
of years before these modern religions.

The bible is a fabrication and includes Egyptian
characters. It is based on Egyptian history.

We will all see this if people only look.

Our friends who travel the cosmic forest,
can only help us when the majority have woke
up to the royal history, which equates to the devil.
I had a visit from a UFO. I recieved an impulse.
unknown to me at the time, i might add.

Following, an unusual urge to study history,
came over me - i studied like there was no tomorrow.

I now know why i was instructed to learn about
rulers of the past/present.

The royal art of freemasonry(?), caused the first
world war, second, Pearl harbour..you name it.
The china opium enslavement...ALL MASONIC.


Once people wake up, they might worry that
the PTB masons, set of their atom bombs etc...

They may well attempt to....what happens
when the criminal is cornered?

But then i am sure, assistance would arrive
from the skies.

grandmasterp
31-05-2013, 01:37 PM
Back in the day astrology and astronomy were the same thing. Check this out.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrivium
Isaac Newton was , amongst other things an alchemist and the word 'scientist' is comparatively recent.
Alchemy and chemistry were the same thing too.
It was just people trying to Find out stuff using their enquiring minds.
You are interpreting 'then' with modern eyes fluxed and things were differnt back then.
You are dead wrong on Egyptian Gnosis as I keep pointing out.
What you accept as factual in respect of the Egyptian mysteries ( which nobody knows a factual thing about at all) is in fact Theosophist imaginings on an Egyptian Gnostic theme.
Check out that book I referred you to, all the sources you keep quoting are shown in there along with who made them up back in the late nineteenth century.

fluxed
31-05-2013, 01:42 PM
Following from my last post...

Why wont UFO's come today, to save us
from the monarchy / masons ?

Think about it....most people trust
the monarchy and masons and the picture
they paint of the UFO's.

War of the worlds was a masonic plot, to
install fear.

All of this cra* on the media, in films,
the same.

Our cosmic friends would not be trusted then,
due to this installment of fear. So first,
we must all disregard this 'falsification'.

All they ever do is falsify.

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 01:56 PM
Now, can you prove any of that?

What do you mean ? can't you see she has the crown of 12 stars on her head. THE CURRENT EU FLAG.

What part are you talking about proving ?

pr0fanus
31-05-2013, 02:37 PM
What do you mean ? can't you see she has the crown of 12 stars on her head. THE CURRENT EU FLAG.

What part are you talking about proving ?

So what? Now we know the EU flag has 12 stars and the Statue of Freedom has 12 stars. Everything else you said is utterly unfounded. Those are the parts we need proof for.

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 02:46 PM
So what? Now we know the EU flag has 12 stars and the Statue of Freedom has 12 stars. Everything else you said is utterly unfounded. Those are the parts we need proof for.

The queen of Europe is the bitch.

So what? Now we know the EU flag has 12 stars and the Statue of Freedom has 12 stars.

Yes in a circle like a ring.

Now let's move on. What is unfounded ? like what ? what part are you talking about ? The part with the masons and her ? Is that what you are talking about ?

ksigmason
31-05-2013, 04:59 PM
Communist mama Venus bitch with her communist (sons) masons, disgusting communist utopia. :rolleyes:
Wow. Talk about rude and ignorant, but typical of your posts.

DOWN WITH THE MASONIC ORGANIZATION :D
Luckily what you desire isn't conducive with reality. Freemasonry will still be here long after any of us have long passed on.

I challenge any pro-mason here to actually show
me the errors in my history sources?
Actually the burden of proof lies on you. You talk about all of these Thothian legends, but there is no evidence to prove any of it.

They will discard you, once you have been used.
They will also discard you, if you talk.
Who is they?

Please, just look into the history of Egypt.
You mean the history you've been making up? I've pointed out even minor things you've erroneously posted.

I had a visit from a UFO. I recieved an impulse.
unknown to me at the time, i might add.
Uh huh :rolleyes:

Why is it that UFO's never visit anyone sane or credible?

The royal art of freemasonry(?), caused the first
world war, second, Pearl harbour..you name it.
Prove it.

The china opium enslavement...ALL MASONIC.
How so?

Once people wake up, they might worry that
the PTB masons, set of their atom bombs etc...
Truman was a Mason, but his Masonic affiliation had nothing to do with the decision to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 07:51 PM
Wow. Talk about rude and ignorant, but typical of your posts.

Have it your own way, but it's what your organization is about, Venusian Zionists.


http://www.aoc.gov/capitol-hill/other-statues/statue-freedom
The bronze Statue of Freedom by Thomas Crawford is the crowning feature of the Dome of the United States Capitol.

Tomass Crawford was a mason, that I know for sure.
The Statue on the Capitol Dome is built by freemasons.

Here she is with the crown of stars. 12 of them.
http://aoreport.com/ao/images/stories/prophecy_studies/freedomuscapdome.jpg

The EU Flag.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/red/blue_pics/2008/04/07/euflag460.jpg

Masonry is an institution part of this establisment that wants to establish world ruling.
You are part of the disgusting pussy cat collective.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_topEXnGuN6o/StCjG0Q_OaI/AAAAAAAAAxY/0vbMwXWUg54/s1600/nativity_in_black.jpg

http://www.mystery-babylon.net/images/harlotbeast.jpg

We all know also that she is the bride of Satan as Jesus from the bible said it, the Synagoge/Temple of Satan.


Infertile bitch makes infertile children. I guess she could adopt some regular children if they wanted to be adopted by her, but I don't think they would want to have a monster for a mother.

pr0fanus
31-05-2013, 08:06 PM
The queen of Europe is the bitch.

Yes in a circle like a ring.

Now let's move on. What is unfounded ? like what ? what part are you talking about ? The part with the masons and her ? Is that what you are talking about ?

"Communist mama Venus bitch with her communist (sons) masons, disgusting communist utopia. "

"I have proven involvement in the great seal, also the bitch is also depicted on one of the seals that did not make it, they wanted her on the seal."

"Not with the bitch, not with the other side, they are just fighting for power, don't chose sides, slimy greedy fucks."

"Same o, Same o lady freedom(Venus) on top of the capitol dome"

"Isn't it clear yet that these people want to rule the world (NWO)


DOWN WITH THE MASONIC ORGANIZATION "

Let's start with that.

pr0fanus
31-05-2013, 08:19 PM
Have it your own way, but it's what your organization is about, Venusian Zionists.

Oddly, you don't even mention Zionism after that. Strange. Nor have you made a connection to Venus. Go figure.

The Statue on the Caitol Dome is built by freemasons.

I'll leave the Masonic history to Ksig. There is one thing that struck me as particularly odd, the East represents enlightenment (presumably some evil Illuminati Satanic Luciferian Jewish Muslim Communist Nazi type of it)? Damn. We've got a lot of buildings to deconstruct.

Here she is with the crown of stars. 12 of them.

Now that I'm looking at the Statue, it doesn't look like it has 12 stars at all. Looks more like 9. Can you provide us with something where we can clearly see 12 stars?

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 08:30 PM
Oddly, you don't even mention Zionism after that. Strange. Nor have you made a connection to Venus. Go figure.

Zionism comes from Babylon the old. Babylon means old woman, the old lady.

Talmud is Babylonian shit and the same with the whole Israeli Zionist religion.
Little remains of the real Jewish faith, rest is Babylon garbage.
Peace to the real Jews.

offramp
31-05-2013, 08:40 PM
Who are the real Jews?
Were they the people from Cydonia?

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 08:46 PM
Oddly, you don't even mention Zionism after that. Strange. Nor have you made a connection to Venus. Go figure.

Venus is Zionist in concept, the temple of Venus.
Zionism into Israel comes from Babylon, the Talmud is Babylonian shit like the whole Zionist Israeli religion, little remains of the real Jewish faith.




Now that I'm looking at the Statue, it doesn't look like it has 12 stars at all. Looks more like 9. Can you provide us with something where we can clearly see 12 stars?

It might be 9 or 12.
It's irelevant how many they are, it's the same concept, the Roman calendar had only 9 months until they switched to 12. November being the last. NOV for 9.

She is depicted in an old Roman fashion, she was also a roman god, the Romans took her directly from Babylon.

When you look at the EU flag it has 12 stars representing the cycle, it's the same concept. IT's what the stars are, the cycle of the ages when it comes at it's end, the same with the unfinished pyramid, the completion of the temple of Zion at the end of the ages. Same people behind it, with the EU flag representing the same thing.
They want to rule the world, it's as simple as that.

The statue is 100% masonic, made by masons.
The other statue, the statue of liberty also representing her is masonic.
Older depictions of her in masonic art appear before any statue of libery was built, proof that she was a well adopted masonic icon among the masons even before any statue was built.

She is the masonic mommy.

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 08:48 PM
Who are the real Jews?
Were they the people from Cydonia?
I explained this, they were desert rats, desert rats, but good desert rats.
People that wanted freedom, nomads, freedom from the cultural prison and indoctrination.

Babylon infested them like other cultures and asimilated them, now we got the Babylonian Israel.

Simply the Zionist is not the desert nomad but a royal. How can a royal be a slave and a desert nomad. These people suffered in captivity and were in fact nomads.
Zionism is imperialism.

The real Jew did not even know how to count, he was a simple man, how do you want him to be an imperialist scum elite ? but the jews had one quality, they were good people, they had a heart (unlike zionists)

ksigmason
31-05-2013, 10:19 PM
Have it your own way, but it's what your organization is about, Venusian Zionists.
My organization is about none of that.

Tomass Crawford was a mason, that I know for sure.
I couldn't find him anywhere as listed as a Mason. I checked all of my usual sources, but sometimes not everyone is listed. What Lodge or jurisdiction did he come from? I'd really like to know if he was a Mason, but I cannot find one where he declared himself a member or where a Lodge has talked about him as a notable member. I even looked in old proceedings of Grand Lodges in that area, but I can find none from that time that list him as being present at any events...and we Masons are pretty meticulous when it comes to those things; he would've been a noted guest even if were not a Mason, but came to the public meetings. If you do have strong evidence of his Masonic membership I would love it and would add it to my PowerPoint of notable Masons.

Also, you misspelled his name...no doubt intentionally.

The Statue on the Capitol Dome is built by freemasons.
So? Even though I find no evidence, it is irrelevant. You have not shown any intent that his design was Masonic inspired. Plus, if it was, who cares? Are you against a physical manifestation of freedom being in the form of a woman?

Here she is with the crown of stars. 12 of them.
Actually there are only 9 of them. You should learn to count

Masonry is an institution part of this establisment that wants to establish world ruling.
There's nothing in Freemasonry that suggests we support a global government.

Here you are with your mommy.
Yeah, don't bring my mother into this. That is crossing the line and you're being reported.

You are not free...
Freer than you. You are a slave of your own mind, your bigotry, and your ignorance.

Zionism comes from Babylon the old. Babylon means old woman, the old lady.
Venus, according to myth, isn't an old woman.

It's irelevant how many they are, it's the same concept, the Roman calendar had only 9 months until they switched to 12. November being the last. NOV for 9.
Incorrect. The pre-Julian calendar or Calendar of Romulus was 10-months long (essentially take away January and February). You are correct though that November was the 9th month, 2nd to last.

When you look at the EU flag it has 12 stars representing the cycle, it's the same concept.
Incorrect as well. Plus, if it was the same concept wouldn't they have the same number?

They want to rule the world, it's as simple as that.
You want us to want to rule the world. You need a reason to justify your hatred, which blinds you.

The statue is 100% masonic, made by masons.
You have failed to prove this still. If you could answer my question regarding Thomas Crawford that would clear up a great deal. Please be aware, I'm not merely denying he's a member, I just can't verify it and I would love to do so.

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 11:03 PM
My organization is about none of that.
I couldn't find him anywhere as listed as a Mason. I checked all of my usual sources, but sometimes not everyone is listed.

I understand that these individuals have started to disapear the masonic lists, I see.

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/StatueofFreedomMedallion2.jpg
It was also restored by masons.

This bronze medallion was minted to commemorate the Statue of Freedom which is located on the peak of the Dome to the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. In 1985 the Statue of Freedom was in need of restoration so the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, USA sold this medallion as a fundraiser to help cover the costs of restoration and repairs. It measures 1 3/4 inches in diameter.


Who designed the dome anyway along with the liberty symbol at the top


A Brief History

The Statue of Freedom was created as the crowning feature of the new cast-iron dome of the United States Capitol authorized by Congress in 1855. Freemason Thomas U. Walter, the Architect of the Capitol, first designed the dome with a classical figure of Liberty at the top.


The idea was Masonic.

After receiving Walter's design for the dome, Crawford prepared a small model of a figure with a liberty cap, the emblem of freed slaves in ancient Greece. The red cap had been adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.


The whole dome was design by masons, it's they who had the idea of the liberty lady at the top.


So? Even though I find no evidence, it is irrelevant. You have not shown any intent that his design was Masonic inspired. Plus, if it was, who cares? Are you against a physical manifestation of freedom being in the form of a woman?

The liberty lady is Venus, everyone knows that, she is a masonic icon.
Masons funded the statue of liberty, the fund raising comettee was ran by masons, masons designed the liberty lady, there was a masonic ceremony at the end, and the corner stone was provided by the masons.


Yeah, don't bring my mother into this. That is crossing the line and you're being reported.

Mommy Venus, your masonic mommy I meant.


Venus, according to myth, isn't an old woman.

Who said she is an old woman ? She is the queen of materialist Babylonian heaven, but Babylon represents the old. It's what I meant as in the old empire.


Incorrect. The pre-Julian calendar or Calendar of Romulus was 10-months long (essentially take away January and February). You are correct though that November was the 9th month, 2nd to last.


It does not matter even if you said it is so. But I don't think you are right anyway. November in Latin meaning NEW, the end of the year and the start of a new one, marked by number 9(new), maybe later at a later time they switched to 10. Even if what you say is true it is irelevant because of what I'm about to post down the post line

But anyway. This explains everything
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/tarot/id6.html
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tarot_3_the_empress.jpg


As the Tarot story is told, after his encounter with the High Priestess, the Fool strides forward and is impatient to make his mark in the world. But next he meets the Empress. She is a beautiful motherly figure, with golden hair and wearing a crown of 12 stars.

It's what the stars on her crown mean.


You have failed to prove this still. If you could answer my question regarding Thomas Crawford that would clear up a great deal. Please be aware, I'm not merely denying he's a member, I just can't verify it and I would love to do so.
I think you are the one who have failed.

In the bible.

The crown with 12 stars is a powerful symbol. In the Book of the Revelation, Chapter 12, John wrote of “a great sign” of a woman “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.”


More:

The crown on her head signifies that The Empress is the Queen of Heaven. But numerology now comes into play. Her number is three, with the key of 12 stars


The queen of material heaven, was Ishtar(Venus) Mother harlot of Babylon, we all know this

The empress with her sons, it's obvious
http://europa.eu/abc/symbols/emblem/images/europ_flag/jaune.jpg

You can shake it how you like it, but the evidence is in plain view.


You are mamasonicus hahahaha, your masonic mommy owns you.
You are the son from the bible that she gives birth to, the masons (mother's sons) that she rides on.

Are you denying that mason does not mean mother's son ? MA-SON ;)
Queen of Babylonian heaven is no other than the prostitute of all prostitutes, you have been hooked :rolleyes:

The empress, I'm not even sure she has 9, it may be 12 after all, but it's irelevant the stars on her crown represent the same concept.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ETyffAnzyJw/TbYSc7N_kII/AAAAAAAAArY/1uMb1kMjTVc/s1600/IMG_0442.jpg

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 11:25 PM
http://americanvision.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Mother-of-harlots.jpg

grandmasterp
31-05-2013, 11:29 PM
i read somewhere that harlot riding on the seven headed beast schtick was a metaphor for Rome and it being built on seven hills.

ksigmason
31-05-2013, 11:32 PM
I understand that these individuals have started to disapear the masonic lists, I see.
I'm using old sources and lists. Plus we wouldn't be hiding names of members, we're proud of our members and those who have attained notoriety in the world.

Who designed the dome anyway along with the liberty symbol at the top
What is the source of this? I'd really to have it. Plus, nowhere do your quotes say that Crawford was a Mason.

The idea was Masonic.
Being a Mason doesn't make everything we do "Masonic". By your logic, my old Army platoon was Masonic because I was the Mission Commander and I designed our logo.

The whole dome was design by masons, it's they who had the idea of the liberty lady at the top.
Are you against liberty?

The liberty lady is Venus, everyone knows that, she is a masonic icon.
How so?

Mommy Venus, your masonic mommy I meant.
You best have.

Venus isn't my Masonic mom, the gal I refer to as my 2nd mother or Masonic mother is gal named Sandy...a very delightful woman whose husband is a dear friend of mine and who I followed in my Lodge's line-up.

Who said she is an old woman?
Venus, or Aphrodite, is none of those things.

It does not matter even if you said it is so. But I don't think you are right anyway.
Look it up. The pre-Julian or Romulus Calendar used by early Rome used 10-months which was used until 46 BC.

November in Latin meaning NEW, the end of the year and the start of a new one, marked by number 9(new), maybe later at a later time they switched to 10.
Actually November comes from "novem" which means 9, not "new". New in Latin is "novum" which, yes, it's a big difference. November was not the last month of the year, that was Decembris or December.

Even if what you say is true it is irelevant because of what I'm about to post down the post line
It's now only irrelevant that it doesn't suit your needs.

In the bible.
Except the Statue of Freedom doesn't have 12 stars on it.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

pepsi78
31-05-2013, 11:47 PM
I'm using old sources and lists. Plus we wouldn't be hiding names of members, we're proud of our members and those who have attained notoriety in the world.

What eva...


What is the source of this? I'd really to have it. Plus, nowhere do your quotes say that Crawford was a Mason.

No but it says that the dome was a masonic project and that the top with the liberty symbol was a masonic concept, so who cares if he was a mason or not as long as the idea was masonic. The guy who constructed the whole capitol dome was a mason.


Being a Mason doesn't make everything we do "Masonic". By your logic, my old Army platoon was Masonic because I was the Mission Commander and I designed our logo.

Yeahh sure keep your crappy lies at home. She is a masonic icon, I'll tell you it's what's up with the statues, that is what is up.


Are you against liberty?

Your kind of liberty ? Where you roll in materialism like slime ?
Is that what you call freedom ?

The freedom to indulge in materialism and to corrupt others into it as well (the whole planet)
Liberty.....(from your self)

I pity you because that is what the bitch stands for. Material lust.


Venus, or Aphrodite, is none of those things.

The Roman Venus depicted was not taken from the Greeks,she was imported from Babylon directly, from Ishtar.

Venus isn't my Masonic mom, the gal I refer to as my 2nd mother or Masonic mother is gal named Sandy...a very delightful woman whose husband is a dear friend of mine and who I followed in my Lodge's line-up.

Venus, or Aphrodite, is none of those things.


Sure she is ma-ma-son-icus. The mother's son

Oppps another masonic image, made by masons with the masonic mommy, SHE HAS A STAR ON HER HEAD, and of course Lucifer in the middle, her son. You are luciferians
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/34b3d04407a7.jpg



Look it up. The pre-Julian or Romulus Calendar used by early Rome used 10-months which was used until 46 BC.

It's irelevant even if you are right, I know what number 9 represents.


Actually November comes from "novem" which means 9, not "new". New in Latin is "novum" which, yes, it's a big difference. November was not the last month of the year, that was Decembris or December.

Any idiot with a lamp in his hand can see that novem is related to novum, number 9 is the end of the cycle.

http://quintessentialpublications.com/twyman/?page_id=39
The word for “nine” in Latin is “novem,” which is very close to “novus,” the Latin word for “new,” linked specifically to the concept of “renewal” in celestial cycles. T


Here she is with the omega sign in her hand, the end.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsiVLrthumzaX399hyBI6jdUNhmqce5 EGQRheXgD9KzfzKS8IrNw
Omega sign.
http://empathicperspectives.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/omega-symbol-character-greek.gif


Except the Statue of Freedom doesn't have 12 stars on it.

The Statue is Venus with the crown of stars, she is made by masons. The 9 stars represent the end of the cycle of the ages.


I have bad news for you, if you thought you are free, you are not and you will never be free. I understand secrets and the need to heave them, but liars who manipulate people and then hide behind the walls of the temple do not deserve freedom.

oiram
01-06-2013, 12:48 AM
Who are the real Jews?
Were they the people from Cydonia?
Always stay neutral to all & everything!

Some logical explanations in here & they had many other names in the past and came from different regions ......
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm)


I take this scripture text serious & take note ....... if there would be no importance why write it down in scripture??? ...... 1 + 1 = 2

Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.php?bnum=66 (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.php?bnum=66&cnum=3&vnum=9&SourceTxt=SCR&getverse=Go)
Σατανας Satanas {sat-an-as'** of Aramaic origin corresponding to 04566 (with the definite affix); TDNT - 7:151,1007; n pr m AV - Satan 36; 36 1) adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to 1a) the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ 1a1) he incites apostasy from God and to sin 1a2) circumventing men by his wiles 1a3) the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control 1a4) by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases 1a5) by God's assistance he is overcome 1a6) on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment 1b) a Satan-like man

Gematria: 753http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/Strongs.php?Strongs=G4567 (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/Strongs.php?Strongs=G4567)Ιουδαιος Ioudaios {ee-oo-dah'-yos** from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); TDNT - 3:356,372; adj AV - Jew 193, of Judea 3, Jewess 2; 198 1) Jewish, belonging to the Jewish race 2) Jewish as respects to birth, race, religion
Gematria: 765http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/Strongs.php?Strongs=G2453 (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/Strongs.php?Strongs=G2453)


But its maybe not this simple to just read passages directly as they sound ......
1) Clearly the philosophical way of writings always has to be considered & needs logical evaluations!
2) Always consider corruptions of texts for agenda reasons; or mistranslations by design or through mistakes!!


One thing gets me that the word "Jew/Jews" was used in the text ....... this switches on my Alert light!!! http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/thinkidea.gif

I go so far and say the word Jew is used to describe non believers of truth spoken??? .....
So by logic this would then not point to a specific group of people but would have a global meaning including all which don't listen or follow truth spoken???


So in my mind this scripture text could also say & mean this >>>>>>
Any true Jews would never be a rich individual (as in materialistically rich).
Matthew 19:24And again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
And those which are calling themselves being good Jews are the wealthy & rich which are clearly liars & pretending what they are not!


I come to my conclusion by relating to this >>>>

1) There is a word which sounds more then just similar which is the word "Jeu" & refers to the good, morals, honesty, truth & yes the word true God logically!
Go here: http://gnosis.org/library/1ieo.htm (http://gnosis.org/library/1ieo.htm)

2) The word Jew was not even existing at the time & should said "Judeans" by rights! ......... Jew = Judeans = All living in Judea that time (not only Hebrews in Judea)
Note the text and words used: 43. His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"

"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.

Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html (http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html)Geography
Judea was located approximately where the present day country of Israel is. In the east, the River Jordan flows south into the Dead Sea. To the West lies the Mediterranean Sea. The west coast lies mainly at sea level, with increasing elevations toward the inward section. These heights vary from 200 m to 1500 m above sea level, and decrease to below sea level when the region of the River Jordan is reached.

The territory usually ran from the Mediterranean Sea to the River Jordan, in the east-west direction, and from the southern tip of the Dead Sea and the Gaza Valley in the south to the Plain of the Esdraelon (Jezreel) in the north. These boundaries changed quite often, but they always remained in this general vicinity.

Native Population

The people of this area were of Hebrew decent. They had a long history of migration as they were constantly conquered, enslaved, and then set free only to embark on an ongoing search for a permanent homeland. Through their trials they developed a religion specifically unique to them with the worship of only one God, Yahweh. This monotheism was called Judaism from the Latin word Judaeus. In Greek the word was known as Ioudas.

Even though there was a large degree of Hellenisation in the urban areas that resulted in the wide use of the Greek language, the Roman culture never took such a strong hold. The Jewish name is the only thing they obtained from the Romans. Even in urban areas, they never spoke Latin or incorporated the Roman lifestyle. Herod did to some extent try to set up Roman influences through constructing new buildings, using Roman architecture. Josephus refers to a theater and a coliseum that Herod built in Jerusalem; however there is no archaeological references for these claims. Architecture was the only possible facet where Roman culture could be incorporated to the Jewish culture. The Jewish lifestyle was strictly managed by their observance of a monotheism. The Jews had become deeply attached to this belief system and did not take kindly to any attempts at forcing them to change. Smart rulers, like Herod tried to appease the Jews as much as possible and even adapted emperor worship so that it would not run contrary to their belief in one God. Only rulers who allowed for this religious freedom were able to maintain a quasi state of peace.

Sources for our Knowledge

The main bulk of our historical information about Judea comes from Josephus. He was a Jew who fought in the Revolt of AD 70 and at the end surrendered to Rome. After he was taken to Rome he took to recording the Jewish and Roman struggles and encounters that lead to the outbreak of the revolt. He often puts heavy blame on the radicals for the war, and relieves the mass of the Jewish population of responsibility. Josephus’ works are not objective. He clearly wrote the books, especially The Jewish War, with the intent of restoring Rome and Judea to their previous state of understanding and respect. There are many questions that Josephus leaves unanswered, and many times he gives conflicting opinions.

Accounts can sometimes be cross referenced with the Bible, Rabbinic sources, the Dead Sea Scrolls, or another writer named Philo, who was a philosopher and a well distinguished Jew in the city. Although none of these sources are as direct or extensive as Josephus’s works, the accounts do compare and can be evaluated for their independent historical significance.

Roman Rule ...... Ex elite Masons with evil intent the hunger for control and power over others ????

The official time period of Roman rule lasted from AD 6 to AD 638, when the land was conquered by the Arabs. However, Roman involvement started long before AD 6, and it was at the request of aggressive Jewish factions coveting the thrown. In 64 BC there was a tremendous amount of political, and religious friction. The ruler Alexander Jannaeus had died, and his sons were fighting for the throne. Both sons and other Jews appeared before Rome and asked to be recognized as the official ruler. Rome eventually supported Hyrcanus II, and his brother Aristobulus II surrendered to the Roman general Pompey in 63 BC after seeing that fighting was hopeless. Hyrcanus was given the title of high priest, but not king. Judea was not incorporated into the Roman territory, but was directly under their domain. Rome’s involvement in the political scene in Judea did not decrease turbulence. Over the next few years, there were times the Jews were allies with Rome and at other times they were a force the Roman government saw as a threat that must be weakened.
http://sunburst.usd.edu/~clehmann/pir/judaea.htm (http://sunburst.usd.edu/~clehmann/pir/judaea.htm)
How does the Book of Revelation promote hatred of Jews?

Answer: In the Book of Revelation there are seven letters to seven churches supposedly written by the heavenly Jesus. They appear in Revelation 2:1 through 3:22. In each letter the angel (messenger) of the specific church is addressed and, in turn, the church members are told that Jesus knows who they are and the level of their spirituality. We are concerned here with letters two (2:8-11) and six (3:7-13).

In Revelation 2:9, Jesus is said to have written, "I know your works, tribulations and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan." In
Revelation 3:9, Jesus is said to have written, "Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie--behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you." Jews who do not accept Christianity are characterized as worshipers of Satan, hence, the expression "synagogue of Satan."

According to Paul's definition of a "true" Jew, "he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God" (Romans 2:28-29). That is, the Christian notion of a "true" Jew refers to Jews and Gentiles who follow Paul's concept of submission to belief in Jesus, not adherence to the Torah. Jews by birth or choice who do not believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior are classified as Jews of the "flesh" not "true" spiritual Jews. The author of Revelation declares that Jews of the "flesh" who do not become "true" Jews (that is, Christians) worship Satan and are destined to someday be subdued and come to bow down at the feet of Jesus' beloved church.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93:how-does-the-book-of-revelation-promote-hatred-of-jews&catid=56:new-testament-anti-judaism&Itemid=495 (http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93:how-does-the-book-of-revelation-promote-hatred-of-jews&catid=56:new-testament-anti-judaism&Itemid=495)

ksigmason
01-06-2013, 01:36 AM
What eva...
I'm being serious and sincere. I really have looked and would like to know your evidence.

No but it says that the dome was a masonic project and that the top with the liberty symbol was a masonic concept, so who cares if he was a mason or not as long as the idea was masonic. The guy who constructed the whole capitol dome was a mason.
Being a Mason doesn't make the project 'Masonic'. Like I said before, just because Masons are involved with an activity it doesn't make it Masonic.

Yeahh sure keep your crappy lies at home.
In your words "what eva"

She is a masonic icon...
In your opinion.

Your kind of liberty ?
My kind is true liberty. I believe in Natural Rights, I don't believe they are a dispensation of the government as they would no longer be rights then, but privileges; rights transcend government.

Where you roll in materialism like slime ?
Is that what you call freedom ?
Nope. I'm not big into materialism. I live a fairly simple life. I buy what I need to get by. If I could I would live out the rest of my life in the woods at the family cabin, reading the books I wished, going on hikes, swimming, hiking...it would be so nice and peaceful.

I believe all men are equal, not in faculties, but in chance to succeed and that their rights are equal. I follow much of the writings of classical liberalism.

I pity you because that is what the bitch stands for. Material lust.
As long as I've known you, you like to make gross assumptions and then make wild accusations from those assumptions which in the end are not true. I seek no material lust. Do I indulge once in a while? Sure, all humans do, but such things do not make me a hedonist.

Sure she is ma-ma-son-icus. The mother's son
If you think so. :rolleyes:

...SHE HAS A STAR ON HER HEAD...
Well of course she would. The planet Venus made the 5-pointed star or pentagram in the sky. The star has long been associated with her, but its not exclusively hers nor is any symbol bound by just one singular, exclusive meaning. To believe otherwise is to show how simple of mind one has.

...and of course Lucifer in the middle, her son. You are luciferians
:rolleyes: Of course we are [/sarc].

It's irelevant even if you are right, I know what number 9 represents.
Nine is the eternal number. If you multiply 9 by any whole number you will get 9 from adding up the digits of the answer (ie 9 * 7 = 63 = 6 + 3 = 9). Try it with any whole number (no fractions).

Any idiot with a lamp in his hand can see that novem is related to novum, number 9 is the end of the cycle.
They are two different words.

The Statue is Venus with the crown of stars, she is made by masons. The 9 stars represent the end of the cycle of the ages.
Please explain this? Before it was 12, then it was 10, now it's 9. You seem to just stand by whatever to justify your theory. I'm starting to wonder how old you are.

I have bad news for you, if you thought you are free, you are not and you will never be free.
This is the difference between us, I will always be free...even if it must mean my death. I will always be free, but you are jailed by the ignorance of your own mind.

...but liars who manipulate people and then hide behind the walls of the temple do not deserve freedom.
Luckily what you think doesn't matter. We neither hide nor manipulate, but irregardless, it is not up to you who gets freedom.

heartbeatsalute
01-06-2013, 02:03 AM
The Master Mason who wants to be 'exalted to the Supreme Order of the Holy Royal Arch' must first prove himself by answering the text questions of the Craft Third Degree before he is given a grip and a password (the meaning of which is 'my people having obtained mercy') to allow him to enter. The candidate wears his Master Mason's apron and is blindfolded with a length of rope tied about his waist."
- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

In the ritual of the Royal Arch, or Seventh Degree, the candidate re-enacts the excavation of the first temple of Solomon. In the first part of the ceremony he must search in darkness until he finds a vellum scroll. The candidate is then readmitted with two other Companions playing the parts of the three Master Masons of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego.

"As they enter they take part in a ceremony known as Passing the Veils, which represents a Priest of the Temple approaching the Holy of Holies of the Temple of Solomon."
- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

The three sojourners, freed from captivity in Babylon, offer their services to Zerubbabel to help rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon. They are assigned the lowly job of repairing the foundation.

"The whole narrative is told as though those conducting the excavation were Jews from Babylon digging in the ruins of the first Temple, but we believe it is actually describing the discoveries of the Knights Templar at the site of the last Temple. It can only refer to the ruins of Herod's Temple because the type of arch described in the ceremony is an arrangement of stones supporting each other in compression to form a curved load-bearing structure which was unknown at the time of Zerubbabel. The curved arch employed wedge-shaped, precisely cut stones requiring little or no mortar, and since it is that type of arch with three keystones which plays such a prominent part of the Royal Arch ceremony, it is absolutely certain that the setting of the story re-enacted in the ritual is Herod's Temple, which was constructed using Roman engineering principles."
- Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

In the next part of the ceremony, the three masons return and discover the keystone of the principal arch of King Solomon's Temple and the master's jewels. The account continues as they are questioned by the First Principal:


"A. We repaired to the place as before, which I descended as before. The sun shone forth with such redoubled splendor that I was enabled to descend; in the eastern-most part thereof was a trunk of curious form, overlaid with gold, having on the top and sides certain mysterious characters; availing myself of this I gave the signal and ascended; on arriving at the top of the arch I found my hands involuntarily placed in this position to guard my eyes from the intense light and heat that arose therefrom above; with the trunk we repaired to the Grand Council.Q. What was their opinion of the trunk?
A. That it was the Ark of the Covenant.Q. What were its contents?
A. A pot, a rod, and a book.
Q. What was their opinion of the pot?
A. That it was the pot of manna, which Moses by divine command, laid up in the side of the ark as a memorial of the miraculous manner in which the children of Israel were supplied with that article of food for forty years in the wilderness.
Q. What was their opinion of the rod?
A. That it was Aaron's rod, that budded and blossomed, and bore fruit in a day, which Moses also, by divine command, laid in the side of the ark as a testimony, to be kept for a token.
Q. What was their opinion of the book?
A. That it was the book of the law in which it was written, I am the Lord, I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and Jacob by the name of God Almighty, but by my great and sacred name was I not know unto them.
Q. What does it contain?
A. A key to the mysterious characters upon its top and sides, by which they found those upon its sides to be the initials of our three ancient Grand Masters, S. K. of I. [Solomon, king of Israel], H. K. of T [Hiram, king of Tyre], and H. Abiff. Those upon its top, the Grand Omnific or Royal Arch word, which we as Royal Arch Masons should never give except in the presence of three Royal Arch Masons, we first agreeing by three times three, and under a living arch."
- Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"By this time the sun had attained its greatest altitude, and shining in al its splendor, darted its rays immediately into the aperture, which enabled me to distinguish those objects I had before but imperfectly discovered. In the center of the vault I saw a pedestal of pure virgin marble, with certain mystic characters engraven thereon, and a veil covering the upper face of the altar. Approaching with reverential awe, I lifted the veil, and beheld what I humbly supposed to be the sacred word itself."
- Masonic ritual quoted in Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

The meaning of the sacred word is revealed later in the ceremony. Making a "living arch", three masons grasp each other's left wrist at waist level and their right wrist over their heads. They then intone:

"As we three did agree,
In peace, love, and unity,
The Sacred Word to keep,
So we three do agree,
In peace, love, and unity,
The sacred Word to search;
Until we three,
Or three such as we, shall agree
To close this Royal Arch."


"They then balance three times three, bringing the right hand with some violence down upon the left. The right hands are then raised above their heads, and the words, Jah-buh-lun, Jeho-vah, G-o-d, are given at low breath, each companion pronouncing the syllables or letters alternately..."
- Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"In the ritual of exaltation, the name of the great Architect of the Universe is revealed as JAH-BUL-ON....Each syllable of the 'ineffable name' represents one personality of this Trinity:
JAH = Jahweh, the God of the Hebrews
BUL = Ba'al, the ancient Canaanite fertility god associated with 'licentious rites of imitative magic'
ON = Osiris, the Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld"

"...During the years between 1723 and 1813 the invocation of the name of Christ in the endings of prayers gradually died out. In masonic quotations of scripture the name of Christ came very pointedly to be deleted from the text."
"It is perhaps because the Freemasonic God, as revealed to Royal Arch Masons, is so far from being 'that Religion to which all men agree' that it was determined that Holy Royal Arch workings should not be conducted in Lodges but separately in 'Chapters' under the control of a Grand Chapter and not of Grand Lodge." - Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

Knight's analysis is only partly correct and his conclusion is almost certainly off the mark.

"...The assumption that Jahbulon means Jehovah [Yahweh], Ba'al, and Osiris is itself pure conjecture. No one knows for certain what it means, or even how the name was originally pronounced before it underwent changes from centuries of strictly verbal communication." - John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

In the initiation ceremony, the candidate is told:

"It is a compound word and its combinations form the word Jah-Bul-On. Jah the first part, is the Chaldean [Sumerian] name of God and signifies his essence and majesty incomprehensible; it is also a Hebrew word signifying 'I am' and 'shall be', thereby expressing the actual, future and eternal existence of the Most High. Bul is an Assyrian word, signifying Lord or Powerful, it is itself a compound word signifying in or on; and Bul signifying Heaven on High, therefore this word means Lord in Heaven or on High. On is an Egyptian word, signifying Father of All, and is also a Hebrew word implying strength or power, and expressive of the omnipotence of the Father of all. All the significations of these words may, therefore, be thus collected: - I am and shall be; Lord in Heaven; Father of all." - Masonic ritual quoted in Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"The first part, 'Jah', is the Hebrew word for their god, very probably with a Sumerian connection. It can be seen in this form in the name of the prophet Elijah, which is actually Eli-jah, meaning 'Yahweh is my god' (El being the ancient word for a god)." - Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

"Simply, Ba'al is a Hebrew word that means lord or master. Numerous deities were addressed by that title in the Middle East, but their names have not come down to us." It is an honorific title "that is still used by the Jewish faith. For example, one who can work miracles in the name of God is known as a Ba'al shem, the lord (or master) of the Name." - John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

On is also the Hebrew word for "one". Jah-Baal-On could thus be interpreted to mean "Yaweh, the one Lord over all" which would be very much in keeping with the Christian nature of the Royal Arch rites. Most students of Masonic lore, however, prefer to place the origin of On in ancient Egypt.

"1. JAH. This name of God is found in the 68th Psalm, v. 4. [Yahweh]
2. BAAL or BEL. This word signifies a lord, master, or possessor, and hence it was applied by many of the nations of the East to denote the Lord of all things, and the Master of the world.
3. ON. This was the name by which JEHOVAH was worshipped among the Egyptians." - Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic Degrees of the Ancient York Rite

"During dynastic Egypt Ra's [the god of the sun during dynastic Egypt] cult center was Annu (Hebrew 'On', Greek 'Heliopolis', modern-day 'Cairo')." - Shawn C. Knight,"Egyptian Mythology FAQ"

"ON is but another name for the [Egyptian] god Amen...and...in Revelation 1:8, in the original, inspired text of this verse, the Greek word Christ used was 'On' - the 'existing one'." - Brad Steiger, Worlds Before Our Own

"My feeling is that 'Jah-Baal-On' was simply the names of the three great gods, of the Jews, the Canaanites and the Egyptians , all of whom were referred to as the 'Most High'." - Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus

A Freemason correspondent does not remember these secret words being given in the Royal Arch Degrees so the ritual may have changed since Duncan's book was written.

"Today about one in five Freemasons are Royal Arch 'Companions', these constituting a more fervent, more indoctrinated, closer-knit inner circle."
- Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

Interesting

oiram
01-06-2013, 02:40 AM
We all know also that she is the bride of Satan as Jesus from the bible said it, the Synagoge/Temple of Satan.

Infertile bitch makes infertile children. I guess she could adopt some regular children if they wanted to be adopted by her, but I don't think they would want to have a monster for a mother.

All this just needs sorting out to get placed into its correct order & levels of existing!!!

Yes to understand scriptural talk it does need a 3D ... 4D sort of visualisation ability.
Those without a 3D visualisation ability will always stay lost to understand these true meanings (Psychopathic mindsets are totally out of luck & the forefathers known this fact) This was there logical reason to write scripture the way they did!!!
DO PSYCHOPATHS' BRAINS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THE ABSTRACT?
Psychopaths are callous, glib, superficial, and impulsive; lack empathy for others; and display no guilt or remorse for their harmful acts. One reason for these traits, research suggests, is that psychopaths have difficulty understanding emotions. However, a new study indicates that psychopaths are impaired not just in the emotional realm, but more broadly, in understanding abstract information in general.



Well don't forget that this monster mother lives in everyone of us!! ..... she has only symbolic meanings same like all other figures in scriptures.

Wisdom (Sophia) = But Sophia's Wisdom is not the part which gets controlled by the spirit; but is guided by the nature of the Demon like Wisdom!

Always remember as above so below ........ if a good human has Angels in heaven(within your own mind) so have all the Evil minded persons have Angels in there lower heaven (the pit) not realising its a Demon/Angel in reality taking control over the individual mindset.

What is heaven for a good minded human; is the ( dimed out/doomed heaven in the Pit) for a evil guided mindset!

She is called Sophia ....... the sister, wife or mother of the so called "Yadabaoth"

Yadabaoth = the evil mind controlled by Ego & Ignorance & Sophia is the mother source and mental Demon/Angel creating all the Alien abortions in this World.


Sophia is the lost daughter of Pistis her true original mother; but she gone astray from all truth.

The true (mother/father) of the universe is called ( Pistis Sophia ) yes the combination of both symbolic words ...... confusing?

Don't be confused just think logically! .....
always remember the evil was created by the same source but not because this was the original idea or plan ........ because the Daughter "Sophia" did not listen to her mother/fathers words = (natural Spirit instructions) & went her own Ego ignorant way & then she infected all others which she got in contact with!


Symbolically all which follow her ego driven ignorant ways are her children in a symbolic way of speaking!!!


A Crisis that Became the World

It happened that the realm (aeon) Wisdom (Sophia)
Of conceptual thought (Epinoia),
Began to think for herself,
She used the thinking (enthymesis)
And the foreknowledge (prognosis)
Of the Invisible Spirit.

She intended to reveal an image from herself
To do so without the consent of the Spirit,
Who did not approve,
Without the thoughtful assistance of her masculine counterpart,
Who did not approve.

Without the Invisible Spirit’s consent
Without the knowledge of her partner
She brought it into being. ........................ My note: her own ego created all ignorance

Because she had unconquerable Power
Her thought was not unproductive.
Something imperfect came out of her ........................ My note: the symbolic Devil Satan
Different in appearance from her.

Because she had created it without her masculine counterpart
She gave rise to a misshapen being unlike herself.

Sophia saw what her desire produced.
It changed into the form of a dragon with a lion’s head
And eyes flashing lightning bolts.
She cast him far from her,
Outside of the realm of the immortal beings
So that they could not see him.

[She had created him in ignorance.]

Sophia surrounded him with a brilliant cloud,
Put a throne in the center part of the cloud
So that no one would see it.
[Except for the Holy Spirit called the Mother of the Living]
She named him Yaldabaoth.

Yaldabaoth is the chief ruler.
He took great Power (dynamis) from his mother,
Left her, and moved away from his birthplace.
He assumed command,
Created realms for himself
With a brilliant flame that continues to exist even now......................... My note: The symbolic Phonix ..... & the new realm is called the NWO!!


Three Plots against Humanity

The Mother-Father is merciful
A Holy Spirit sympathizing with us.
Through the Epinoia of the Providence of the light
It raises up the children of the perfect race
Raising up their thought, their light eternal.

When the Chief Archon learned that they were elevated above him
And that their mental ability surpassed his
He wanted to put a stop to their thought
But he did not know the extent of their mental superiority
And he could not stop them. ............................. NOT EVEN ON THE DIF yet http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/banana.gif (http://s467.photobucket.com/user/413200/media/banana.gif.html) http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/bananab.gif (http://s467.photobucket.com/user/413200/media/bananab.gif.html)

He made a plan with his demons
Who are his powers
Each of them fornicated with Wisdom (Sophia)
And produced fate
The last variety of imprisonment.


Fate changes unpredictably
It is of different sorts just as the demons are of different sorts.
Fate is hard.
Fate is stronger than
The gods, the authorities, the demons, the generations of people
Who are caught up in it.

Out of fate emerged
Sinfulness, violence, blasphemy, forgetfulness, ignorance,
Weighty commandments
Heavy sins
Terrible fear.
In this way all of creation became blind,
Ignorant of God above everything.

Because of imprisonment in forgetfulness
They are unaware of their sins,
They are bound into periods of time and seasons
By fate who is lord of it all.

Yaldabaothhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/satan.gif eventually came to regret everything he had created.
He decided to bring a great flood .......................................... not water but clearly a anti spiritual FLOOD !!!
Upon creation, upon mankind. ................................................ Destruction & War out of jealousy & self serving ignorant ego.
But the great light of Providence warned Noah.
He preached to all of the children,
The sons of men,
But if they were strangers to him they didn’t listen.

[It was not the way Moses said: “they hid in an ark.”
Rather, they hid in a special place,
Not just Noah
but also many other people from the immovable race.
They went into hiding within a cloud of light.]

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html (http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html)

oiram
01-06-2013, 03:41 AM
I couldn't find him anywhere as listed as a Mason. I checked all of my usual sources, but sometimes not everyone is listed. What Lodge or jurisdiction did he come from? I'd really like to know if he was a Mason, but I cannot find one where he declared himself a member or where a Lodge has talked about him as a notable member. I even looked in old proceedings of Grand Lodges in that area, but I can find none from that time that list him as being present at any events...and we Masons are pretty meticulous when it comes to those things; he would've been a noted guest even if were not a Mason, but came to the public meetings. If you do have strong evidence of his Masonic membership I would love it and would add it to my PowerPoint of notable Masons.

Also, you misspelled his name...no doubt intentionally.
This one?

Name: Thomas Hamilton Crawford
Designation: Engraver
Born: 1 August 1859
Died:
Bio Notes: Thomas Hamilton Crawford was born in Lanarkshire probably on 1 August 1859, the son of Thomas Crawford, mason, and his wife Helen Brown. He was articled to Horatio Kelson Bromhead, in whose office he became acquainted with the slightly older George Jack and William Hackstoun.

Crawford studied at Glasgow School of Art and, having decided to become artist rather than architect, moved first to Edinburgh and then to Herbert von Herkomer’s art school at Bushey, Hertfordshire. He was back in Glasgow by early 1891, his home address being Blackmount House, where he was living with his wife Maggie Alexis and one servant but by 1893 he had moved to London.

Crawford specialised in architectural subjects but much of his practice consisted of copies and mezzotints of works by English School artists from the 18th century to his own time. He was a member of the Royal Scottish Society of Water-Colour Painters (RSW). In 1902 he entered into partnership with George Washington Henry Jack in London, but this proved unworkable and was amicably dissolved in 1907. In 1911 he moved to Hemel Hempstead and by 1923 to Berkhamstead. In his later years he exhibited at the Salon des Artistes Francaises, from 1920 to 1928.

Crawford died in Hemel Hempstead in early 1947.
http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=201666 (http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=201666)

Scottish Rite - Statue of Freedom Medallion

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/StatueofFreedomMedallion1.jpghttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/StatueofFreedomMedallion2.jpghttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/animated_phoenix.gif (http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_statue_of_freedom_medallion.htm)

This bronze medallion was minted to commemorate the Statue of Freedom which is located on the peak of the Dome to the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. In 1985 the Statue of Freedom was in need of restoration so the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, USA sold this medallion as a fundraiser to help cover the costs of restoration and repairs. It measures 1 3/4 inches in diameter.

A Brief History
The Statue of Freedom was created as the crowning feature of the new cast-iron dome of the United States Capitol authorized by Congress in 1855. Freemason Thomas U. Walter, the Architect of the Capitol, first designed the dome with a classical figure of Liberty at the top.

Thomas Crawford, an American sculptor, was working in Rome on another neoclassical sculpture for the Capitol. Montgomery C. Meigs, the Superintendent of Construction, asked Crawford to design a statue to surmount the Dome. In discussing a subject for the statue, Meigs wrote to the sculptor: "We have too many Washingtons, we have America in the pediment. Victories and Liberties are rather pagan emblems, but a Liberty I fear is the best we can get." A month later, Crawford had sketched his first design for "Freedom triumphant in War and Peace," a figure wearing a wreath of wheat and laurel and holding an olive branch and the shield of the United States.

After receiving Walter's design for the dome, Crawford prepared a small model of a figure with a liberty cap, the emblem of freed slaves in ancient Greece. The red cap had been adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.

Jefferson Davis, the Secretary of War in charge of construction of the dome, objected to the liberty cap. In a letter of January 15, 1856 he wrote: "... its history renders it inappropriate to a people who were born free and would not be enslaved." He suggested that the figure wore a helmet instead, and Crawford then devised an unusual helmet crested with eagle feathers; he also draped the figure in a heavy, fringed robe. This new design was approved in May 1856.

Description
The Statue of Freedom is a classical female figure wearing flowing draperies. Her right hand rests upon the hilt of a sheathed sword; her left holds a laurel wreath of victory and the shield of the United States with thirteen stripes. Her helmet is encircled by stars and features a crest composed of an eagle's head, feathers, and talons, a reference to the costume of Native Americans. A brooch inscribed "U.S." secures her fringed robe. She stands on a cast iron globe encircled with the motto: E Pluribus Unum. The lower part of the base is decorated with fasces and wreaths. The bronze statue stands 19 feet 6 inches tall and weights approximately 15,000 pounds. The crest of her helmet rises 288 feet above the east front plaza.
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_statue_of_freedom_medallion.htm (http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_statue_of_freedom_medallion.htm)

offramp
01-06-2013, 04:04 AM
LOL. Are Glaswegians and Americans so indistinguishable?

ksigmason
01-06-2013, 06:25 AM
This one?

Name: Thomas Hamilton Crawford
Except it was Thomas Gibson Crawford that designed the Statue of Freedom, and he died in 1857. He was also married to Louisa Cutler Ward. We're talking about two different people.

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 07:41 AM
I'm being serious and sincere. I really have looked and would like to know your evidence.


Being a Mason doesn't make the project 'Masonic'. Like I said before, just because Masons are involved with an activity it doesn't make it Masonic.

The designer of the capitol dome said to put the liberty lady there.
I think you are reading behind the lines
She is the classical figure of liberty. She also go's by the name of Libertas.

Freemason Thomas U. Walter, the Architect of the Capitol, first designed the dome with a classical figure of Liberty at the top.




As long as I've known you, you like to make gross assumptions and then make wild accusations from those assumptions which in the end are not true. I seek no material lust. Do I indulge once in a while? Sure, all humans do, but such things do not make me a hedonist.

These are just facts what your organization is about.



Well of course she would. The planet Venus made the 5-pointed star or pentagram in the sky. The star has long been associated with her, but its not exclusively hers nor is any symbol bound by just one singular, exclusive meaning. To believe otherwise is to show how simple of mind one has.

Yes I see, it's why she has a crown of stars on her head on the other examples because it does not represent her.


They are two different words.

The two words are associated with echother, they derive from the same source.


Please explain this? Before it was 12, then it was 10, now it's 9. You seem to just stand by whatever to justify your theory. I'm starting to wonder how old you are.

It does not matter how many they are, it represents the same concept like the EU flag, the collective, the cycle of the ages

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 08:06 AM
This one?

Name: Thomas Hamilton Crawford
Designation: Engraver
Born: 1 August 1859
Died:
Bio Notes: Thomas Hamilton Crawford was born in Lanarkshire probably on 1 August 1859, the son of Thomas Crawford, mason, and his wife Helen Brown. He was articled to Horatio Kelson Bromhead, in whose office he became acquainted with the slightly older George Jack and William Hackstoun.

Crawford studied at Glasgow School of Art and, having decided to become artist rather than architect, moved first to Edinburgh and then to Herbert von Herkomer’s art school at Bushey, Hertfordshire. He was back in Glasgow by early 1891, his home address being Blackmount House, where he was living with his wife Maggie Alexis and one servant but by 1893 he had moved to London.

Crawford specialised in architectural subjects but much of his practice consisted of copies and mezzotints of works by English School artists from the 18th century to his own time. He was a member of the Royal Scottish Society of Water-Colour Painters (RSW). In 1902 he entered into partnership with George Washington Henry Jack in London, but this proved unworkable and was amicably dissolved in 1907. In 1911 he moved to Hemel Hempstead and by 1923 to Berkhamstead. In his later years he exhibited at the Salon des Artistes Francaises, from 1920 to 1928.

Crawford died in Hemel Hempstead in early 1947.
http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=201666 (http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=201666)

Scottish Rite - Statue of Freedom Medallion

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/StatueofFreedomMedallion1.jpghttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/StatueofFreedomMedallion2.jpghttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/animated_phoenix.gif (http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_statue_of_freedom_medallion.htm)

This bronze medallion was minted to commemorate the Statue of Freedom which is located on the peak of the Dome to the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, D.C. In 1985 the Statue of Freedom was in need of restoration so the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, USA sold this medallion as a fundraiser to help cover the costs of restoration and repairs. It measures 1 3/4 inches in diameter.

A Brief History
The Statue of Freedom was created as the crowning feature of the new cast-iron dome of the United States Capitol authorized by Congress in 1855. Freemason Thomas U. Walter, the Architect of the Capitol, first designed the dome with a classical figure of Liberty at the top.

Thomas Crawford, an American sculptor, was working in Rome on another neoclassical sculpture for the Capitol. Montgomery C. Meigs, the Superintendent of Construction, asked Crawford to design a statue to surmount the Dome. In discussing a subject for the statue, Meigs wrote to the sculptor: "We have too many Washingtons, we have America in the pediment. Victories and Liberties are rather pagan emblems, but a Liberty I fear is the best we can get." A month later, Crawford had sketched his first design for "Freedom triumphant in War and Peace," a figure wearing a wreath of wheat and laurel and holding an olive branch and the shield of the United States.

After receiving Walter's design for the dome, Crawford prepared a small model of a figure with a liberty cap, the emblem of freed slaves in ancient Greece. The red cap had been adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.

Jefferson Davis, the Secretary of War in charge of construction of the dome, objected to the liberty cap. In a letter of January 15, 1856 he wrote: "... its history renders it inappropriate to a people who were born free and would not be enslaved." He suggested that the figure wore a helmet instead, and Crawford then devised an unusual helmet crested with eagle feathers; he also draped the figure in a heavy, fringed robe. This new design was approved in May 1856.

Description
The Statue of Freedom is a classical female figure wearing flowing draperies. Her right hand rests upon the hilt of a sheathed sword; her left holds a laurel wreath of victory and the shield of the United States with thirteen stripes. Her helmet is encircled by stars and features a crest composed of an eagle's head, feathers, and talons, a reference to the costume of Native Americans. A brooch inscribed "U.S." secures her fringed robe. She stands on a cast iron globe encircled with the motto: E Pluribus Unum. The lower part of the base is decorated with fasces and wreaths. The bronze statue stands 19 feet 6 inches tall and weights approximately 15,000 pounds. The crest of her helmet rises 288 feet above the east front plaza.
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_statue_of_freedom_medallion.htm (http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_statue_of_freedom_medallion.htm)



It's all masonic, and not only. I mean masons or not masons these people were all in it. Masonry is just part of the picture.

These symbols are well adopted by them, so if you are in masonry or are outside of masonry but part of the same structure, part of the same collective you are always going to end up making such things.

oiram
01-06-2013, 08:11 AM
Except it was Thomas Gibson Crawford that designed the Statue of Freedom, and he died in 1857. He was also married to Louisa Cutler Ward. We're talking about two different people.

Can't win them all.
http://www.webformatt.com/genealogy/gibson/wfmg03.htm#261 (http://www.webformatt.com/genealogy/gibson/wfmg03.htm#261)


Who could the sexy lady symbolise on the coin??

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/cionwwii.gifhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/amerob.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882)http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/amerosetset.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882)http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/amerofsilver.gifhttp://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/amerosilversetfront.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882l)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882)

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/AmeroCern.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882l)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882)

http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/th_amerogang.jpg (http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/amerogang.jpg)http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr40/413200/CERN.gifhttp://masonyab.persiangig.com/1390_image/la_library/atlasrocke-e1299787073644.jpg (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882) Rockefeller center
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43882)

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 10:04 AM
Baphomet.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xro0A9U1LHI/T2KKxssyrCI/AAAAAAAAAUM/jIsZY2w1Bzk/s1600/BAPHOMET.jpg

Masonic image.
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/34b3d04407a7.jpg

oiram
01-06-2013, 11:47 AM
Is this what I see the woman on the image has in her hand? (A freaking Smurfs Hat??)

Well it appears not even the kids are save from the Masons bullshit game!! ..... Time to educate all the kids so they understand what they in reality playing with...

http://www.weblo.com/communities/images/original/479cf67d91dea.jpg?skip=1
http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/armyseallibertycap.jpg (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)http://vrillizards.webs.com/FEB%208%2014.jpg



Everywhere there stuff like a freaking bad smell ................ red haired Women, Smurfs Hat like it is all over TV for the last five years!

http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/1979-moon-masonic-medallion.jpg (http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/1979-moon-masonic-medallion.jpg)http://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/180px-marianne_symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpghttp://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/424px-coat_of_arms_of_argentinasvg-212x300.png (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)
http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73 (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)

speculative
01-06-2013, 12:11 PM
Is this what I see the woman on the image has in her hand? (A freaking Smurfs Hat??)

Well it appears not even the kids are save from the Masons bullshit game!! ..... Time to educate all the kids so they understand what they in reality playing with...

http://www.weblo.com/communities/images/original/479cf67d91dea.jpg?skip=1
http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/armyseallibertycap.jpg (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)http://vrillizards.webs.com/FEB%208%2014.jpg

Everywhere there stuff like a freaking bad smell ................ red haired Women, Smurfs Hat like it is all over TV for the last five years!

http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/1979-moon-masonic-medallion.jpg (http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/1979-moon-masonic-medallion.jpg)http://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/180px-marianne_symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpghttp://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/424px-coat_of_arms_of_argentinasvg-212x300.png (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)
http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73 (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)




Fantastic post! yes the all high grand poobah smurf! we all bow to him really, and his little red hat :D

I love the masonic symbols too! and anchor is masonic! I knew there was a reason I was a sailor!!! also, an outline of a shield?! priceless! oh and the "Erin go bragh"! or "Ireland forever" if you translate it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_go_bragh

And of course the forresters arent really the organisation called "The forresters" they are masons! and the arm and hammer toothpaste is also masonic if you look closely in the bottom left of the pictures!

The Buffs are masonic too...not buffs, oh and the heart symbol! better tell people to stop using them on texts! its masonic!!

There is also a little crown! oh and a gavel! wow soooooo masonic! and the best, the absolute BEST!

A Compass!!! not a pair of compassES but a compass, fir finding north...fantastic, really, I must hand it to you! such detailed research there! :D

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 12:33 PM
This is the difference between us, I will always be free...even if it must mean my death. I will always be free, but you are jailed by the ignorance of your own mind.

I know you sold out.

offramp
01-06-2013, 12:52 PM
Highlighter pens, broadband routers, Batman's insignia, Trilby hats, horses, electric pylons, tornadoes... All well-known masonic symbols.

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 01:12 PM
Highlighter pens, broadband routers, Batman's insignia, Trilby hats, horses, electric pylons, tornadoes... All well-known masonic symbols.

Masons have adopted these symbols, now they are part of masonry.
If you adopt something then it belongs to you.

You only adopt something because you want to associate with it.

speculative
01-06-2013, 01:16 PM
Masons have adopted these symbols, now they are part of masonry.
If you adopt something then it belongs to you.

You only adopt something because you want to associate with it.

You can say it is a sybmbol used within masonry, yes. But it does not make it a "Masonic" symbol. Crikey, the arm and hammer tooth paste? The forresters and RAOB? a compass? a shield outline?

They are not masonic. That is just a lot of symbols, (most of the ACTUAL masonic designs are repeated 3 or 4 times as well) not Masonic ones.

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 01:44 PM
You can say it is a sybmbol used within masonry, yes. But it does not make it a "Masonic" symbol. Crikey, the arm and hammer tooth paste? The forresters and RAOB? a compass? a shield outline?

They are not masonic. That is just a lot of symbols, (most of the ACTUAL masonic designs are repeated 3 or 4 times as well) not Masonic ones.
There are masonic symbols built of other symbols, like the square and compas is a masonic symbol as a whole.

Masons have adopted these symbols because they associate with them.
I did not invent colors, but I could build a flag out of the colors. The flag with it's colors is mine alone,it's my own created symbol.
So masonry has it's own masonic symbols made from other symbols glued into one.
By your own definition you would say, ohh it's not the American flag, it just has some stripes and stars, it does not belong to them, they did not create the stars and stripes, this is older than america. OF course it is not so and I think you should come to your reasoning.

Another example is Lucifer, not a masonic symbol, but because masons want to become Lucifers/Baphomets it has become one.
If you live in New York you are a New Yorker even if you did not construct the City of New York.

speculative
01-06-2013, 02:58 PM
There are masonic symbols built of other symbols, like the square and compas is a masonic symbol as a whole.

Another example is Lucifer, not a masonic symbol, but because masons want to become Lucifers/Baphomets it has become one.
If you live in New York you are a New Yorker even if you did not construct the City of New York.

Part 1 very true. But how does a heart shape or a compass or a shield outline become masonic over any other meaning?

How is the LOOF or RAOB a Masonic symbol? How are the words Ireland forever a Masonic symbol?

Point 2, that is just ridiculous! :D

fluxed
01-06-2013, 03:08 PM
...
You are dead wrong on Egyptian Gnosis as I keep pointing out.
What you accept as factual in respect of the Egyptian mysteries ( which nobody knows a factual thing about at all) is in fact Theosophist imaginings on an Egyptian Gnostic theme.
....

This pro-mason provided a link and a pathetic attempt
it was...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrivium

Just as predicted, he offers Roman history as
the source of science/music/geometry etc...

The Egyptians owe all their science / religious
works to Thoth.( Craft of the Brazen Serpent in
Atlantis. This craft was an Order of Alchemists.)

The Romans & Greeks owe all their science/ religious
works to Egypt.

The Europeans owe all their religious / science
works to Rome & Greece.


Understand pro-masons? SCIENCE & RELIGION
HAPPENS BEFORE GREECE & ROME!!!

How many more times must i educate these poor
people who are only freemasons lets face it.
They have no authority other than the occult.

Pro-masons, learn your history - good place to start -

'Thoth is of first importance to Masonic scholars,
because he was the author of the Masonic initiatory
rituals, which were borrowed from the Mysteries
established by Thoth. Nearly all of the Masonic
symbols are Hermetic in character.
Pythagoras studied mathematics with the
Egyptians and from them gained his knowledge
of the symbolic geometric solids.
Thoth is also revered for his reformation
of the calendar system.
He increased the year from 360 to 365 days,
thus establishing a precedent which still prevails.'

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta08.htm

Note also , where the pro-mason contradicts himself
above...

His claims are 'factual', yet in the same breath he
says -
( which nobody knows a factual thing about at all)

Do you take us for fools?
you should look closer to home.

The Egyptian mysteries, you under-educated man,
can be found all over Egyptian monuments
and in ancient texts. REALITY CHECK?

Read the passage above - THOTH IS THE AUTHOR.

offramp
01-06-2013, 05:11 PM
Clocks, nitrites, biros, mansions, cups, jujubes, forks, spoons, biopics, spiders, thimbles.

All are well-known Masonic symbols.....

eastbeast
01-06-2013, 06:17 PM
Crikey, the arm and hammer tooth paste?



Ah...........I now know why I have always used it....

bikerdruid
01-06-2013, 06:20 PM
Clocks, nitrites, biros, mansions, cups, jujubes, forks, spoons, biopics, spiders, thimbles.

All are well-known Masonic symbols.....

EEEEEK!:eek::eek::eek:
they really are EVERYWHERE!!

eastbeast
01-06-2013, 06:22 PM
Masons have adopted these symbols, now they are part of masonry.
If you adopt something then it belongs to you.

You only adopt something because you want to associate with it.



I can see some of the points you make, I am starting to like some of your posts, I don't know if that's because they are becoming more relevant or because you are making less wild claims.

eastbeast
01-06-2013, 06:27 PM
http://vrillizards.webs.com/FEB%208%2014.jpg



Some lovely images there, they look like they are a US thing though, so I'm not familiar with them all, perhaps ksig would be kind enough to tell us all what they are?

speculative
01-06-2013, 06:34 PM
I can see some of the points you make, I am starting to like some of your posts, I don't know if that's because they are becoming more relevant or because you are making less wild claims.

Strangely enough I am too! :)

Except for this one maybe! :D

Another example is Lucifer, not a masonic symbol, but because masons want to become Lucifers/Baphomets it has become one.

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 07:26 PM
Strangely enough I am too! :)

Except for this one maybe! :D

I see you haven't become a black cap yet. Have you herd the story with mama goat and her three goat children ?

speculative
01-06-2013, 07:28 PM
I see you haven't become a black cap yet. Have you herd the story with mama goat and her three goat children ?

Come on then, spill, I need a good laugh :D

eastbeast
01-06-2013, 07:42 PM
I see you haven't become a black cap yet. Have you herd the story with mama goat and her three goat children ?


A what?

Do tell.

pepsi78
01-06-2013, 07:47 PM
Come on then, spill, I need a good laugh :D
Let Ksig mason tell you, he is familiar with mother goat and the child goat.


Masonic image
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/34b3d04407a7.jpg

bikerdruid
01-06-2013, 07:57 PM
it never ceases to amaze/amuse me, that the greatest experts on free-masonry are the non-masons.
amazing how a few loonie sites on the net can turn anyone into an ex-spurt.
why do the non-masons think they know more about freemasonry than the freemasons?

grandmasterp
01-06-2013, 09:01 PM
it never ceases to amaze/amuse me, that the greatest experts on free-masonry are the non-masons.
amazing how a few loonie sites on the net can turn anyone into an ex-spurt.
why do the non-masons think they know more about freemasonry than the freemasons?

This pro-mason provided a link and a pathetic attempt
it was...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrivium

Just as predicted, he offers Roman history as
the source of science/music/geometry etc...

The Egyptians owe all their science / religious
works to Thoth.( Craft of the Brazen Serpent in
Atlantis. This craft was an Order of Alchemists.)

The Romans & Greeks owe all their science/ religious
works to Egypt.

The Europeans owe all their religious / science
works to Rome & Greece.


Understand pro-masons? SCIENCE & RELIGION
HAPPENS BEFORE GREECE & ROME!!!

How many more times must i educate these poor
people who are only freemasons lets face it.
They have no authority other than the occult.

Pro-masons, learn your history - good place to start -

'Thoth is of first importance to Masonic scholars,
because he was the author of the Masonic initiatory
rituals, which were borrowed from the Mysteries
established by Thoth. Nearly all of the Masonic
symbols are Hermetic in character.
Pythagoras studied mathematics with the
Egyptians and from them gained his knowledge
of the symbolic geometric solids.
Thoth is also revered for his reformation
of the calendar system.
He increased the year from 360 to 365 days,
thus establishing a precedent which still prevails.'

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta08.htm

Note also , where the pro-mason contradicts himself
above...

His claims are 'factual', yet in the same breath he
says -
( which nobody knows a factual thing about at all)

Do you take us for fools?
you should look closer to home.

The Egyptian mysteries, you under-educated man,
can be found all over Egyptian monuments
and in ancient texts. REALITY CHECK?

Read the passage above - THOTH IS THE AUTHOR.
Fluxed if you want to believe you are right then good luck to you but everything you have written about Egyptian Gnosis is a paraphrase of the Theosophist fiction that you seem to have taken on board as factual. It isn't, it was all invented in the late nineteenth century by Helena Blavatsky to lend kudos to early Theosophy.
The Quadrivium was what was studied in universities back in the day.
Oxford and Cambridge taught the trivium and Quadrivium... That was it for undergrads right up to the early 19th century. First years read three subjects then added another in Year 2 trivium means three and quadrivium means four.

I'm a Buff and although we are sometimes called 'the poor man's masons' the RAOB has no connection whatsoever to the masons and vice versa.
The buffs began amongst travelling actors back in Richard Brinsley Sheridan's day.

bikerdruid
01-06-2013, 09:07 PM
Fluxed if you want to believe you are right then good luck to you but everything you have written about Egyptian Gnosis is a paraphrase of the Theosophist fiction that you seem to have taken on board as factual. It isn't, it was all invented in the late nineteenth century by Helena Blavatsky to lend kudos to early Theosophy.
The Quadrivium was what was studied in universities back in the day.
Oxford and Cambridge taught the trivium and Quadrivium... That was it for undergrads right up to the early 19th century. First years read three subjects then added another in Year 2 trivium means three and quadrivium means four.

I'm a Buff and although we are sometimes called 'the poor man's masons' the RAOB has no connection whatsoever to the masons and vice versa.
The buffs began amongst travelling actors back in Richard Brinsley Sheridan's day.

facts, facts, facts ... what care we for facts?
mythology is ever so much more interesting.

grandmasterp
01-06-2013, 09:24 PM
Fluxed is just so wrong.
I pointed him to the actual and original texts he's quoting as factual.
Who made them up, when, why, where they were first published with the very words he cites as ancient Egyptian gnosis when it's actually all late nineteenth century Theosophist propaganda.
The guy just does not want to know.
Belief is cosy right enough but blind faith is just plain silly.
:)

offramp
01-06-2013, 09:35 PM
Fluxed is imprisoned in his own tiny mindset.

offramp
01-06-2013, 09:55 PM
Why are CT-ists so hateful of Freedom & Liberty?

grandmasterp
01-06-2013, 09:59 PM
What 's a CT-ist buddy?

offramp
01-06-2013, 10:16 PM
A Conspiracy Theorist.

grandmasterp
01-06-2013, 10:17 PM
Thank you.
:)

elshaper
02-06-2013, 01:53 AM
Fantastic post! yes the all high grand poobah smurf! we all bow to him really, and his little red hat :D

I love the masonic symbols too! and anchor is masonic! I knew there was a reason I was a sailor!!! also, an outline of a shield?! priceless! oh and the "Erin go bragh"! or "Ireland forever" if you translate it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_go_bragh

And of course the forresters arent really the organisation called "The forresters" they are masons! and the arm and hammer toothpaste is also masonic if you look closely in the bottom left of the pictures!

The Buffs are masonic too...not buffs, oh and the heart symbol! better tell people to stop using them on texts! its masonic!!

There is also a little crown! oh and a gavel! wow soooooo masonic! and the best, the absolute BEST!

A Compass!!! not a pair of compassES but a compass, fir finding north...fantastic, really, I must hand it to you! such detailed research there! :D
Is this what I see the woman on the image has in her hand? (A freaking Smurfs Hat??)

Well it appears not even the kids are save from the Masons bullshit game!! ..... Time to educate all the kids so they understand what they in reality playing with...

http://www.weblo.com/communities/images/original/479cf67d91dea.jpg?skip=1
http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/armyseallibertycap.jpg (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)http://vrillizards.webs.com/FEB%208%2014.jpg



Everywhere there stuff like a freaking bad smell ................ red haired Women, Smurfs Hat like it is all over TV for the last five years!

http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/1979-moon-masonic-medallion.jpg (http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/1979-moon-masonic-medallion.jpg)http://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/180px-marianne_symbol_of_french_republic_3.jpghttp://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/424px-coat_of_arms_of_argentinasvg-212x300.png (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)
http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73 (http://www.quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/?page_id=73)


You WAT!? You bow to a red hat?
A red smurf hat!!!
Now, please.... how can I make you realise how ridiculous this is.... :(

believenothing
02-06-2013, 04:30 AM
A Conspiracy Theorist.

Interesting acronym to use on a forum full of conspiracy theories and conpsiracy theorists. A bit out of place, especially within the context in which you "people" are using it. Also, your effeminate male youth avatar is quite suspect given the fact that Masonry is almost exclusively a fraternal society and whether you like it or not has a pedophilia stigma associated with it.

On page 101 you said "Most of the CTists are Muslims" and maybe this was your idea of a joke, I dunno. It's hard to tell with you "people". But then you went on to say "You can tell because they deny that 9/11 happened, hate Jews and Masons and are paedophiles. That has been proved."

Are we supposed to like pedophiles? I don't get what you're saying about it in this sentence. For fuck's sake

I emphasize the 'j' word because speculative (who has a Sonic the Hedgehog avatar, also interesting because a lot of furries have a Sonic the Hedgehog fetish, especially with Sonic's "openings" if you know what I mean) wrote earlier "believnothing, I am very glad that you are not in any authoritative position, your lies and hate would have us all gassed with your fake stories"

The reason I emphasize these is because they are related to Masonry's unquestiable Judaic roots. First of all, you personally mentioned "jews" in the context of "muslims" alluding to hate. As if muslims were, as according to the status quo, the biblical enemy of the jews. Which is itself false and is 20th century Zionist historical revisionism. Islamic intolerance for other religions is nothing unique to Islam. Jews were never singled out until 19th-20th century Zionist colonists in Palestine made the predominately Islamic population angry. It is used as a scapegoat.

"Is it not better for you to live under Muslims than under Christians?"

Quoted from Rabbi Yitzhak Sarfati in the 15th century after the Spanish Inquisition displaced many jews. The Ottoman Sultan welcomed the jews with open arms and even gave them royal treatment. Many of the descendants of these jews remain today in modern Turkey as the Donmeh, jewish Turks who are not recognized as official jews by most rabbis. The "Islamic" intolerance toward jews is a smokescreen for Levantine resistance against the Zionist occupiers, not a centuries-old conflict as they lie and pretend it to be.

Therefore your comment, whether legit or a joke, is irrelevant.

As for speculative, their reference to gassing is an obvious allusion to "Nazis" and Hitler and the holohoax which never happened. Not one jew was gassed, gassing is an absurd method of mass execution which only makes sense within the confines of psychological warfare and propaganda. If anybody wanted to kill a large number of people, there are far more viable methods to do so. The holohoax claims that jews were placed shoulder-to-shoulder in gas chambers. To kill them, no gas would even be required. Assuming the room was hermetically sealed as they claimed (which they could not have been given their ruins) you simply shut the door and allow them to suffocate. Introducing gas would be unnecessary and only serve to make psych warfare propaganda pull on people's heartstrings. Same with in recent years claiming Assad's men have a thing for shooting up funerals and Gaddafi's men raped Libyan women after taking viagra. All bullshit written by Anglo-US psychological warfare.

The fact that both of you have alluded to these things is suspect alone. Confined to the subject of Masonry, even more so given the Judaic roots of the "craft". This and the mocking of "CT-ists" proves to the readers here what your true natures and agendas really are.

believenothing
02-06-2013, 04:33 AM
BTW, this whole mother goddess demonization thing is part of the disinformation campaign. Masons are almost exclusively fraternal. This excludes women, goddesses and otherwise. Such conjecture about mother goddesses only serve to further demonize women. Ishtar and Isis have nothing to do with Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry.

One more thing, the Masonic apologists here are obviously out of touch with the spirit of this forum. For one thing they almost exclusively post within this particular thread or subject. Another thing again they universally use an acronym for conspiracy theorists (CT-ists). On a conspiracy theorist forum no less. And the whole universal usage thing implies "brotherhood" and not as in the "craft" if you know what I mean.

Preying upon the ignorance of readers is one thing, but in the greater context of this forum as a whole it's entirely out of place. Meaning their responses are specifically for the readers especially since this gets quickly cached within google and also because the DIF is a high-traffic forum. What I mean is smearing somebody's character as a conspiracy theorist is out of place on this forum, but not for the curious accidental reader arriving from a google search.

This cabal is aware of these things. Their methods are predictable once you take a step back and objectively observe the nature of these psychopathic/sociopathic right-brain and frontal lobe dead "people". Their nature betrays them for they do not understand emotion and abstract, only a mimicked aspect which can fool a lot of gullible people a lot of the time but many of us can see right through it.

ksigmason
02-06-2013, 04:35 AM
The designer of the capitol dome said to put the liberty lady there.
What Lodge did he belong to?

These are just facts what your organization is about.
No, it's just your opinion.

The two words are associated with echother, they derive from the same source.
Which source is that?

It does not matter how many they are, it represents the same concept like the EU flag, the collective, the cycle of the ages
Like I've said, you want it to mean that so you'll change your theory with "facts" that suit it at that time. I'm not sure if it's your unethical nature, academic dishonesty, or sheer ignorance.

Masonic image.
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/34b3d04407a7.jpg
How is this a Masonic image?

If you adopt something then it belongs to you.
Not exclusively though.

I see you haven't become a black cap yet. Have you herd the story with mama goat and her three goat children ?
Ironically in the Scottish Rite in America, a 32° wears a black hat and colors designate what honors one has received. Red=KCCH, White=33° (Honorary), Purple=33° (Active), and Blue = 50-year member.

offramp
02-06-2013, 06:33 AM
...Pumpkins, islands, vases, balloons, corks, the jelly beans from Gimbal's...

All these are Masonic symbols.

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 08:00 AM
What Lodge did he belong to?

The designer of the dome was a mason, cut the crap.
This is from a masonic source.
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_statue_of_freedom_medallion.htm
The Statue of Freedom was created as the crowning feature of the new cast-iron dome of the United States Capitol authorized by Congress in 1855. Freemason Thomas U. Walter, the Architect of the Capitol, first designed the dome with a classical figure of Liberty at the top.

That guy that made it was just folowing instructions, just small little details with what the cap should be.
It's clear what it was going to be
first designed the dome with a classical figure of Liberty at the top.


Which source is that?



http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/novem
novem
Etymology 2
From novō (“[b]renew, refresh”).

Refine your Latin it sucks badly.


Like I've said, you want it to mean that so you'll change your theory with "facts" that suit it at that time. I'm not sure if it's your unethical nature, academic dishonesty, or sheer ignorance.

These are facts, it's no theory.

How is this a Masonic image?

You mean the one with Lucifer in the middle ? Is that the picture you are talking about, I see.

The artistic painting It's made by french masons, she holds a masonic plumb line.

In the picture mother goat (the widow) with masonic little goat in the middle (Lucifer). On the left father time Saturn the dead widow's husband.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/34b3d04407a7.jpg

You are a little goatling ;) you mamasonicus, widow's son. :eek:

I think I answered all your cheap replies.

OOOOO lucifer how have you fallen........oooo lucifer. If you want to be a Lucifer at lest be a graceful Lucifer not a fallen one.
The fall....the fall liberty, is that what you call freedom ? Very sad indeed.

Liberty into disgrace. You spin this word like it was holy, if anyone acuatlly checks what the term of the word, what liberty trully means you are busted. It has been spined around as "individual freedom" but it's not, and I'm not going to bring it up, let others do the digging. One thing is for sure your fraternity is full of liars, infiltrators and manipulators. What a bunch of crooks.

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 08:42 AM
Scary shit.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_topEXnGuN6o/StCjG0Q_OaI/AAAAAAAAAxY/0vbMwXWUg54/s1600/nativity_in_black.jpg


Design by masons, inaugurated in a masonic ceremony, funded in a fund rasing by masons.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gFbzXsG4uBs/UIF_GOs1teI/AAAAAAAAJq8/OWGj_MTx8hY/s1600/statue+2.png

Masons are obsesed with her.

offramp
02-06-2013, 09:10 AM
I'm a bit lost here. Can someone explain to me why a Freemason should not have designed the Statue of Freedom?

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 09:19 AM
I'm a bit lost here. Can someone explain to me why a Freemason should not have designed the Statue of Freedom?

There is no reason why they should have not designed it, they were behind the french american revolution along with other groups with the overthrow of the church establishment across Europe and USA.

Libertas/Venus the Roman goddess adopted by the Romans directly from Babylon is an masonic Icon, she is the mother of masons (ma-son, mother's son)

She is a well adopted masonic Icon well before any statue was built.

So you are right, there is no logical reason why the statue should of not been built by masons, it's only logical that it hapend this way. After victory bring your own icons to display.

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 09:50 AM
BTW, this whole mother goddess demonization thing is part of the disinformation campaign. Masons are almost exclusively fraternal. This excludes women, goddesses and otherwise. Such conjecture about mother goddesses only serve to further demonize women. Ishtar and Isis have nothing to do with Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry.

One more thing, the Masonic apologists here are obviously out of touch with the spirit of this forum. For one thing they almost exclusively post within this particular thread or subject. Another thing again they universally use an acronym for conspiracy theorists (CT-ists). On a conspiracy theorist forum no less. And the whole universal usage thing implies "brotherhood" and not as in the "craft" if you know what I mean.

Preying upon the ignorance of readers is one thing, but in the greater context of this forum as a whole it's entirely out of place. Meaning their responses are specifically for the readers especially since this gets quickly cached within google and also because the DIF is a high-traffic forum. What I mean is smearing somebody's character as a conspiracy theorist is out of place on this forum, but not for the curious accidental reader arriving from a google search.

Except that you are wrong and that she is not the Universal Mother goddess. She is contrary to what the universal mother goddess is. She comes later in ancient history well after the mother goddess. She is born out of the toxic residue/foam of the oceans after the oceans have retreated, dirt in other words.

Later she turned into queen marry, religion covered it up what she really was and she became a holy christian person.

Virgin Marry, virginity did not mean in antiquity that you did not sleep with men yet. It meant on the contrary that you slept with all the men but no man could own you, by this definition you were a virgin. The virgin prostitute, virginity simply meant that you don't belong to any particular man.

offramp
02-06-2013, 10:02 AM
Good. So that's sorted, then. A Freemason may have designed the Statue of Freedom and it doesn't matter.

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 10:10 AM
Good. So that's sorted, then. A Freemason may have designed the Statue of Freedom and it doesn't matter.

Sure it does, it just shows that she is an adored masonic icon, the mommy of liberty for masons.

Isn't why it's called "free" ma-son, from freedom liberty You see you got nailed again. ;) Free masonry. She is your mommy. You are the mother's son.

Of course she really does not stand for true freedom, it's another kind of freedom that is not really freedom at all but I'm not going to get into it.

oiram
02-06-2013, 10:27 AM
Masonic Origins

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/illumina.gif (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm#Masonic Origins)
This Article is an excerpt from "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary H. Kah, published by Huntington House. This important book deserves a place in your library.

After months of getting nowhere, a door finally opened. One Sunday evening in 1986 while sharing at a church in northern Indiana, I met an elderly lady who introduced herself to me at the close of the service. She inquired whether I knew anything about Freemasonry and its influence on the New Age. I told her I was aware of its involvement but that I still did not understand exactly what role the Masonic Order played in the overall scheme of things.

She went on to share that she had been researching the Masonic movement for the past twenty years and had quite a collection of materials on the Order (much of which she had obtained from widows of deceased Masons who were unaware of the significance of the Order and its literature). She would make her materials available to me if I wanted them and explained that she had been unsuccessful at getting anyone to listen to her because of her age and the lack of a fancy job title. We ended up meeting several times at her home to sort through her materials on Freemasonry. Whatever this elderly saint did not have, it seemed she knew where to get it.

In the months that followed, l received quite an education while combing through the major Masonic reference works. I found a repeated mention of such orders as the Illuminati, the Knights Templars, and the Rosicrucians, along with other cultish groups, which I had previously thought to be only myths. But I soon became convinced to the contrary, not only learning that they existed, but that Freemasonry was a modern-day continuation of Gnosticism and of the ancient mystery religions.
While most sources placed the official birth of Freemasonry at 1717, Masonic references clearly indicated that the organization's history went back much further than this.

The adjacent diagram, based on my research in both Masonic and non-Masonic sources, depicts the roots of the Order along with its historical and modern-day lines of influence. (A number of other false religions and subversive movements have also had an influence on the Masonic Order.

However, those depicted are the main sects and religions to which the existence of Freemasonry and the New Age movement may be attributed. The names have changed, but the beliefs, tactics, and designs of the groups have remained essentially the same).

The history of Freemasonry, I discovered, was also the history of the secret societies, and the history of the secret societies is the history of organized occultism—particularly in the Western world. Perhaps the most complete history of organized occultism has been provided by Albert Pike in his 861 page occult classic entitled — "Morals and Dogma of the


A Historical Perspective

By the days of Noah the world had become completely saturated with the occult to the point where only one righteous family was left. As a result, God, who was grieved by man's sin and wickedness, judged the world by sending a flood. After the flood, however, it took only a few generations before man had once again begun to embrace the occult. This was evidenced at the building of the Tower of Babel, which is believed to have been the first ziggurat — an ancient occult worship tower with a shrine at the top. Under the umbrella of pantheism, the ancient occult mysteries began to take hold and spread. By the time of Abraham and Lot, the human state, at least in their part of the world, had once again gotten out of control. Those were the days of Sodom and Gomorrah when perversion and immorality were taken to new heights.

Although Abraham was himself not perfect, he was a man who sought to do right in the eyes of God. Because he and his family were the only righteous ones left who were willing to acknowledge Him, God would honor Abraham's faith by choosing to create a nation from his seed. God would work through this nation, Israel, to keep His truth and the way of righteousness alive in the midst of a dark, occult-ravaged world. After a few hundred years when Abraham's seed had sufficiently multiplied, there were enough Israelites to constitute a physical nation. At that time, God led His people out of Egypt by His servant Moses.

The history of Israel would be one of ups and downs. When the Israelites were obedient to God, they prospered; and none of their pantheistic neighbors could stand against them. However, when the Israelites themselves began to fall for the spiritual lies of the surrounding nations, they were oppressed by these same powers. God sent a steady stream of holy prophets to teach Israel His ways and to warn them of what would happen if they did not obey. Much like the relationship between a loving father and his child, while longing for his child (Israel) to be good and loving, there were times when that child was rebellious and needed to be disciplined before something much worse happened.

The Israelites, through Moses, had been instructed to bring regular animal offerings or sacrifices before God. These sacrifices symbolized the payment for their sins, reminding them: that sin does not come without a penalty. These offerings were also symbolic of the coming supreme sacrifice of Jesus Christ Who would pay the penalty for the sins or the entire world at the appointed time.

After the proper groundwork had been laid, God sent His Son. The Message of forgiveness and the promise of eternal Life to those who believe in Christ would be carried forward from Israel to all nations. Although this gospel (the good news) spread in all directions, It would not be equally accepted by all peoples and would meet with more resistance in some places than in others. Those missionaries, for example, who carried the message into Babylon, Persia, and India were violently rejected; and only a small number of people believed and received the truth there. Likewise today, in spite of nearly twenty centuries of missionary efforts in the Far East, with the exception of a few areas, the Message of Christ has been overwhelmingly rejected.

The hold of Satan on these countries is so complete and established that, to this day, only a small percent of the orient believes in Christ. Hinduism — the oldest surviving pantheistic religion is still being practiced by a majority of India's inhabitants.

The story would be different in the Mediterranean where the gospel was accepted by large numbers, in spite of fierce persecution against those who believed. Within a few generations there were so many Christians in this region that the high priests of the Mysteries of Greece, Rome, and Egypt began to lose their control. The teachings of Christ went head-to-head against the pantheistic beliefs and occult practices of the priests, exposing them for what they were. The more the believers were persecuted, the larger their numbers grew, until finally the occult priests were forced to go underground in order to keep their secret knowledge and traditions alive.

These occult teachings have been handed down from generation to generation ever since, kept alive in the Western world by the secret societies, which are little more than a continuation of ancient occult priesthoods. Satan's plan was to keep his priesthood and secret doctrines alive until, being sufficient in number and power, the priesthood could once again seize control over his lost territories. Gnosticism, the most effective and widely accepted form of pantheism, was more deceptive and clever than the others, developing the occult's only major counter explanation to the Message and Person of Christ. The Gnostics were the chief adversaries of the Apostle Paul and the early Church, relentlessly pursuing Christians wherever they went, long before the mystery religions even began to crumble.

According to Albert Pike, Gnosticism was an offshoot of Kabalism, an oral occult tradition, which was adhered to by a minority of the Jews. At some point, which remains uncertain, these occult teachings were reduced to writing, and the Kabalah was born. On page 626 of Morals and Dogma, Pike states, "The Kabalah is the key of all Masonry and the occult sciences; and the Gnostics were born of the Kabalists."

Kabalism was merely a unique version of the ancient mysteries specifically designed to deceive God's chosen people. Unlike the other mysteries, its teachings dealt specifically with Israel, offering occult counter-explanations to the revelations of the prophets, complete with a cleverly disguised occult interpretation of the history of Israel. Moses, for example, rather than being the righteous prophet of God who led the Israelites out of Egypt, was made out to be an occult figure whose purpose was to initiate the Israelites into the enlightened and more advanced teachings of Egypt.

If Kabalism could be viewed as the occult counter-explanation of the Old Testament, Gnosticism, existing as a further development of Kabalism and taking into account Satan's "new problem" posed by the risen Christ, would serve as the main occult counterattack against the New Testament. Thus, Kabalism and Gnosticism combined, composed a type of occult parallel to the Old and New Testaments.

Gnosticism, although originally composed of Jewish occultists, rapidly gained Gentile followers until it soon became predominantly Gentile. As the priesthoods were forced to take on new forms, Gnosticism became a magnet for these occult adepts. Branches of Gnosticism represented the first significant secret societies of the post-resurrection era with various degrees or levels of initiation and the inner circle of initiates worshiping Lucifer.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm#Masonic Origins (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm#Masonic Origins)

speculative
02-06-2013, 10:36 AM
After months of getting nowhere, a door finally opened. One Sunday evening in 1986 while sharing at a church in northern Indiana, I met an elderly lady who introduced herself to me at the close of the service. She inquired whether I knew anything about Freemasonry and its influence on the New Age. I told her I was aware of its involvement but that I still did not understand exactly what role the Masonic Order played in the overall scheme of things.


"Hi how are you? I am an elderly lady, what do you know about freemasons?"

If someone I did not know, came up to me, asked what I knew about something, then proceeded to tell me all about why it was bad, I may be a little concerned about that person.

I think a lot of what people call pushy religions do this, and decry it as all false and rather arrogant. However, as soon as it is said about freemasonry, it is all well and accepted and made into a book.

Loving the double standards again, next time, why dont you all invite the Jehovah's Witness' in when they knock, and ask them to tell you all about religion and how you are sinning? :)

oiram
02-06-2013, 10:39 AM
The Illuminati

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/isis2.gif

The Masonic historian, Albert G. Mackey, describes the Illuminati as a "secret society, founded on May 1, 1776, by Adam Weishaupt who was professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt" (Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, p.346). In his biographical sketch of Weishaupt, Mackey opens with the following words, "He is celebrated in the history of Masonry as the founder of the Order of Illuminati of Bavaria" (Ibid., 842.). Mackey later adds, "His ambition was, I think, a virtuous one; that it failed was his, and perhaps the world's misfortune" (Ibid., 843).

The Council of 13 = 13 Druids. Sir Winston Churchill was a member of the Ancient Order of Druids.
The Council of 33 = the 33o Masons.
The Council of 300 = the 300 wealthiest dynastic families.


(The Council of 13 heading up the plan for world hegemony are signified by the 13 layers of masonry portrayed on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States and printed on the U.S. one dollar bill by Illuminatus F.D. Roosevelt).

Any lingering doubts I had over whether the Order was Masonically inspired were removed when I discovered that H.L. Haywood, another highly esteemed Masonic historian, also included Weishaupt's biography in his book Famous Masons and Masonic Presidents. Weishaupt's esteemed summary is one of only one hundred biographical sketches appearing in the book, indicating that he had to have been a very prominent Mason (H.L. Haywood, Famous Masons and Masonic Presidents. Richmond VA: Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Co., 1944, p.152).

John Robison, an eighteenth century historian and a prominent Mason, was entrusted with some of the original documents and correspondence of the Illuminati. In his book, Proofs of a Conspiracy, written in 1798, he reproduced major segments of the Illuminati's original writings. Robison stated, "the express aim of the Order was to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government" (John Robison, Proofs of a Conspiracy. Boston: Western Islands, 1967, p.60). He went on to quote Weishaupt as stating that the plan for a New World Order can succeed "in no other way but by secret associations, which will by degrees, and in silence, possess themselves of the government of the States, and make use of those means for this purpose . . . " (Ibid., 106).

Using deception and intrigue, Weishaupt and his inner circle of adepts succeeded at gaining the support of Germany's Masonic lodges. "All these branches were controlled by the twelve leading adepts headed by Weishaupt, who at the lodge in Munich held in his hands the threads of the whole conspiracy" (Nesta Webster, World Revolution, p.20). Mackey admits to the initial success of the Illuminati, commenting:

The Order was at first very popular, and enrolled no less than two thousand names upon its registers, among whom were some of the most distinguished men of Germany. It extended rapidly into other countries, and its Lodges were to be found in France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Hungary, and Italy (Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, p.346-347).
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm#Masonic Origins (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm#Masonic Origins)

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 11:14 AM
It's well known that the Bavarian Illuminati were friends with the masons, partners, it was commun to join the groups, not uncomun to be part of the two groups at the same time.

speculative
02-06-2013, 01:07 PM
It's well known that the Bavarian Illuminati were friends with the masons, partners, it was commun to join the groups, not uncomun to be part of the two groups at the same time.

You are right, at the time the Illuminati were a scientific society, hiding from the church their views in case they were put to death for being pagans or devil worshipers.

elshaper
02-06-2013, 01:14 PM
good morning sir speculative.
Have you bowed to your red smurfs hat this morning yet? :D

grandmasterp
02-06-2013, 01:26 PM
Isaac Newton lived and died a Unitarian but had to keep schtum or he would have lost his college privileges.
That chart but one above doesn't give sufficient prominence to Theosophy as the major conduit into the New Age that it was and still is.
You can dind posters on here parotting second hand Theosophical propaganda for the late 19th century as the 'ancient mysteries' it was oeiginally passed off as.
The White Brotherhood.
Egyptian Gnosis
Galactic Council
Hidden Masters...
Etc.etc
All Theosophist imaginings now permeating the late modern.

fluxed
02-06-2013, 01:53 PM
it never ceases to amaze/amuse me, that the greatest experts on free-masonry are the non-masons.
amazing how a few loonie sites on the net can turn anyone into an ex-spurt.
why do the non-masons think they know more about freemasonry than the freemasons?

So does being a freemason afford one the title
of historian?......NO!

ANYONE can study history.
If anything, masons are 'programmed' so unable
to evaluate REALITY and true history.

This lady, Svali, is a must listen.
The masons days are numbered.

'The volume of written data generated by Svali
is very extensive – several hundred pages.
She talks with speed and confidence about very
complex and difficult subjects. Furthermore,
our historical research verifies many of the
key aspects of her testimony.'


http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 01:57 PM
You are right, at the time the Illuminati were a scientific society, hiding from the church their views in case they were put to death for being pagans or devil worshipers.

It was more like hiding away their plan to take over the world with the utopia, rather than what you say, it's why they got disbanded, lots of them then went and became members of other such fraternities like masonry since there was an influx of members without the illuminati fraternity.

fluxed
02-06-2013, 02:01 PM
Fluxed if you want to believe you are right then good luck to you but everything you have written about Egyptian Gnosis is a paraphrase of the Theosophist fiction that you seem to have taken on board as factual.

Are these pro-masons saying that the ancient tombs
and monuments of Egypt are Roman and fictional?

Are they claiming that ancient records such as
the 'book of the dead' are Roman and fictional?

fluxed
02-06-2013, 02:04 PM
Fluxed is just so wrong.
I pointed him to the actual and original texts he's quoting as factual.
Who made them up, when, why, where they were first published with the very words he cites as ancient Egyptian gnosis when it's actually all late nineteenth century Theosophist propaganda.
The guy just does not want to know.
Belief is cosy right enough but blind faith is just plain silly.
:)

As is denial.

Tell you what, i give you a challenge.

Quote where i am wrong, and you are right,
where the Egyptian mysteries are concerned?

Don't just talk, like the rest of these pro-masons.

grandmasterp
02-06-2013, 02:08 PM
Are these pro-masons saying that the ancient tombs
and monuments of Egypt are Roman and fictional?

Are they claiming that ancient records such as
the 'book of the dead' are Roman and fictional?


Check out those references I sent you buddy.
It's all down to quite modern day re-imaginings of what those ancient Egyptian artefacts 'meant' or symbolised .
You are doing exactly the same thing by interpreting certain symbols by and through the filter of your own misconceptions.
The Theosophists had an agenda, you; I believe are sincere.
You are however, most sincerely; misinformed.

fluxed
02-06-2013, 02:11 PM
...
This cabal is aware of these things. Their methods are predictable once you take a step back and objectively observe the nature of these psychopathic/sociopathic right-brain and frontal lobe dead "people". Their nature betrays them for they do not understand emotion and abstract, only a mimicked aspect which can fool a lot of gullible people a lot of the time but many of us can see right through it.

Great observation.


They are led to trust the teachings of the
grand master( high priest ).
This grand master knows only the deluded
traditions and rituals of the royal family.

Freemasonry is a highly criminalized
group. The are mentally ill. Full stop.

Even Jesus was a freemason. But he let
the cat of of the bag.....

Jesus - King of Britian

...Then he sailed to Egypt to learn the secrets
of the Egyptian mystery schools. He was an
honored student and soaked in the secret
handshakes, cryptic messages and graduated
revelations. The Christianity of Jesus
became Freemasonry.
Jesus wanted to share his new complete
Essene/Druidic/Essene religion and that
proved his undoing. He was stoned to
death in London, aged 63, for betraying
his vows and revealing the secrets of the
mystery schools.
However, back in Rome, presbyters had combined
the lives of Jesus and Judas Thomas to create a
rapidly growing religion. The British-born Roman
emperor Constantine of York, a direct descendant
of Jesus, and his mother Helena saw a great
advantage in spreading a publicly accepted story
of Jesus to create unity in the empire, while keeping
the true story alive amongst the most trusted
of British royalty and their closest allies.

Constantine gathered a British army
and smashed his way to Rome.
Shortly after, in 330, he convened
a conference of presbyters in Nicaea
to unify Christianity. Final gospels
were voted on and a New Testament created.
But to assure that his empire's newly
official religion never forgot the Israelite
roots of Jesus and the British royal line,
Constantine tacked the Jewish scriptures
onto the New Testament.''

fluxed
02-06-2013, 02:36 PM
I'm a bit lost here. Can someone explain to me why a Freemason should not have designed the Statue of Freedom?

Because freemasonry is a criminal gang. Thats why.
Are you blind to royal deeds, throughout history.

Do you not understand the word 'reputation'?
Well that is one thing the royals cannot undo.

They may shower us with smiles and pathetic
waves, taken from their masonic doctrines.

As i said, it is 'End Times' for this Royal breed.
The Exodus will happen and you pro-masons
will be faced with a very tough decision indeed.

Do you side with the criminal family, or
the mass of people?

The former? then to the zoo you will go.

fluxed
02-06-2013, 02:43 PM
..
You can dind posters on here parotting second hand Theosophical propaganda for the late 19th century as the 'ancient mysteries' it was oeiginally passed off as.
The White Brotherhood.
Egyptian Gnosis
Galactic Council
Hidden Masters...
Etc.etc
All Theosophist imaginings now permeating the late modern.

Again, the tombs / monuments / books of the ancients /
hieroglyphs / EVERYTHING

..as far as your concerned.. is 2nd century AD,
Theosophist and Roman ?

How is that, seeing as the Roman Empire was thousands
of years, following the construction of these
monuments etc...? i'm wating.

Come on.....just sitting around conspiracy forums,
dropping 'THEOSOPHIST' upon evey post...

Duff people.

fluxed
02-06-2013, 02:50 PM
Check out those references I sent you buddy.

I offered a challenge. I knew you would fail.
If i go to Egypt, having learned hieroglyphics
and Egyptian traditions and history, then study
the FACTUAL monuments etc....

How then, does your 'Theosophistic' , come
into the equation?

Come on?

And again, please quote where i am wrong,
in terms of the Mystery schools......?



It's all down to quite modern day re-imaginings of what those ancient Egyptian artefacts 'meant' or symbolised .
You are doing exactly the same thing by interpreting certain symbols by and through the filter of your own misconceptions.
The Theosophists had an agenda, you; I believe are sincere.
You are however, most sincerely; misinformed.

So you say, yet fail in the challenge i offer.
Let it reflect.

oiram
02-06-2013, 03:46 PM
Do you side with the criminal family, or
the mass of people?

The former? then to the zoo you will go.


I was thinking Bush at the time was talking to all Masons ...... & was it not clear what he said??

Well they made there decision so there should be no confusion...... & the death count is prove of it & who is profiting is one more prove!

Even rhetorical blah, blah will not change reality facts!!

That's what I call a Win Win situation .... they gone with them they terrorists ... they with the terrorists they also terrorists. "Perfect!" how could the public lose this one?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35135959.jpg

grandmasterp
02-06-2013, 03:52 PM
I offered a challenge. I knew you would fail.
If i go to Egypt, having learned hieroglyphics
and Egyptian traditions and history, then study
the FACTUAL monuments etc....

How then, does your 'Theosophistic' , come
into the equation?

Come on?

And again, please quote where i am wrong,
in terms of the Mystery schools......?




So you say, yet fail in the challenge i offer.
Let it reflect.


Here's that reference again... It's all here buddy, chapter and verse
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Madame-Blavatskys-Baboon-History-Spiritualism/dp/0805241256/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370184603&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Madame+Blavatsk%27s+baboon

BTW, you haven't ' learnt' hieroglyphics.
No one has or can.
They aren't a language as such you'd need the mindset and context or the 'writers' to comprehend their 'then' meaning.
That's impossible, for anyone to do.

speculative
02-06-2013, 04:17 PM
good morning sir speculative.
Have you bowed to your red smurfs hat this morning yet? :D

Goo dmorning mate :D yep, including the little dance and song that goes with it! :D

It was more like hiding away their plan to take over the world with the utopia, rather than what you say, it's why they got disbanded, lots of them then went and became members of other such fraternities like masonry since there was an influx of members without the illuminati fraternity.

The original illuminati did indeed hide away, but from the church. At the time, the thought that you could explain something scientifically was a death sentance from the church. They were not the modern day belief of illuminati, but at the time they were certainly vilified like this by the church. They did not last very long because the government outlawed them by pressure of the pope.

The worst part of the initial illuminati was that thir oath of secrecy apparently also included a verse about following or obeying their "superiors" as wikis call it.

However the original ideals were sound, freedome of all people, an end to church power over governments, and that governments be responsible to their peoples.

However this was massivley radical at the time and both governments and church thought this crossed the line, so these people were demonised after being disbanded, and that is probably where the modern day illuminati "group" (order, society etc) tag come from.

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 05:18 PM
Goo dmorning mate :D yep, including the little dance and song that goes with it! :D



The original illuminati did indeed hide away, but from the church. At the time, the thought that you could explain something scientifically was a death sentance from the church. They were not the modern day belief of illuminati, but at the time they were certainly vilified like this by the church. They did not last very long because the government outlawed them by pressure of the pope.

You mean scientific like the caged animals experimented upon, where these animals suffered for discoveries, are these the people you are talking about ?
It seems that they are in favor of discoveries and scientifical research no matter what the cost is.

Is it the people who live behind the wall of comfort ? at the cost of others.
The arrogant sirs and lords that formed the European aristocracy. ?
Gay fucks dressed in fagot outfits, is it them :D ?

Ohhhh I'm a sir, ohhhhh I'm a lord I can't work what others work, I'll stain my fagot clothing outfit, I'll stain my hands so I wear gloves all the time to protect my precious hands, look at my precious outfit. I'm only made to rule.


Masonry was no different at that time, just look these pussycats, dressing + expression, and how they do with their legs, just like females.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7446/frenchmasons.jpg

Pussycats, oohhh I'm a sir, ohhhh I'm a lord, I have slaves ohhhohooho, hohoho.

Isn't it clear who these people were, the spoiled children of nobility, the unsatisfied cry babies.


Remember this name, pussy cat, it is a feline description and it belongs to femenised men.

speculative
02-06-2013, 05:29 PM
You mean scientific like the caged animals experimented upon, where these animals suffered for discoveries, are these the people you are talking about ?
It seems that they are in favor of discoveries and scientifical research no matter what the cost is.

Is it the people who live behind the wall of comfort ? at the cost of others.
The arrogant sirs and lords that formed the European aristocracy. ?
Gay fucks dressed in fagot outfits, is it them :D ?

Ohhhh I'm a sir, ohhhhh I'm a lord I can't work what others work, I'll stain my fagot clothing outfit, I'll stain my hands so I wear gloves all the time to protect my precious hands, look at my precious outfit. I'm only made to rule.


Masonry was no different at that time, just look these pussycats, dressing + expression, and how they do with their legs, just like females.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7446/frenchmasons.jpg

Pussycats, oohhh I'm a sir, ohhhh I'm a lord, I have slaves ohhhohooho, hohoho.

Isn't it clear who these people were, the spoiled children of nobility, the unsatisfied cry babies.


Remember this name, pussy cat, it is a feline description and it belongs to femenised men.

I suppose you have documented proof of the caged experimented on animals? you may be right, after all, butchers were also being hired as sugeons at the time, but why say it unless you have proof?

As for the "clothing" problem you have with them, it was fashion, there is no accounting for taste, look at the youth today with slack clothes (trousers hanging low, t-shirts 3 sizes too large), hoodies, baseball caps and these rather wierd looking onesies.

Are the under 30's today any less rediculous looking?

your attacks are now becoming rather flippant. I was actually starting to take you seriously, that has gone right uot the window again now...shame.

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 05:48 PM
I suppose you have documented proof of the caged experimented on animals? you may be right, after all, butchers were also being hired as sugeons at the time, but why say it unless you have proof?

As for the "clothing" problem you have with them, it was fashion, there is no accounting for taste, look at the youth today with slack clothes (trousers hanging low, t-shirts 3 sizes too large), hoodies, baseball caps and these rather wierd looking onesies.

Are the under 30's today any less rediculous looking?

your attacks are now becoming rather flippant. I was actually starting to take you seriously, that has gone right uot the window again now...shame.

The Illuminati have won since the french american revolution, along with the others that are part of the establishment, this is their world, animal suffering for glory and scientific research, the planet is a dump, everything is superficial, extreme materialism and the consumer society, this is the utopia.

Regarding the fashion, It was only fashion of the lords and sirs, the pesant did not have such things.
These were wealthy spoiled people.

speculative
02-06-2013, 05:54 PM
It was only fashion of the lords and sirs, the pesant did not have such things.
These were wealthy spoiled people.

I am ignoring the illuminati bit becausejust saying something is your own opinion not fact, I asked for evidence on animal testing in the 1700's.

As for the above, of course the wealthy dressed differently, the same is true now, I dress differently from you, ksig dressed differently from me, GMP dresses differently again.

If your biggest beef with the nobles is their dress sense then you crack on.

pepsi78
02-06-2013, 06:18 PM
Most of the people who joined these fraternities were in fact the nobles of Europe, the lords and sirs.

bikerdruid
02-06-2013, 06:22 PM
There is no reason why they should have not designed it, they were behind the french american revolution along with other groups with the overthrow of the church establishment across Europe and USA.

if this is the truth, how do you see this as a bad thing?

bikerdruid
02-06-2013, 06:26 PM
So does being a freemason afford one the title
of historian?......NO!

ANYONE can study history.



you should start.
what you have been passing off as 'history' is fiction.
the theosophical writings of the 19th and early 20th century are not history.

speculative
02-06-2013, 06:26 PM
Most of the people who joined these fraternities were in fact the nobles of Europe, the lords and sirs.

A lot of them were yes. but a good proportion were the "normals" of society too, maybe wealthier than your average street worker, but still considered "common" or why would they over throw the system that supported them to ones that reduced their power, income and as in the case of france, their lives???

elshaper
02-06-2013, 07:26 PM
Goo dmorning mate :D yep, including the little dance and song that goes with it! :D
Honestly, get away from that cult group!! I mean it. They have corrupted your brain. Dancing for a red hat is insane. :(

ksigmason
03-06-2013, 01:07 AM
I know you sold out.
Uh huh...:rolleyes:

The designer of the dome was a mason, cut the crap.
What's sad is you are so incapable of real research.

The answer is: Columbia Lodge #91 in Philadelphia. It took me less than a minute to look it up.

Refine your Latin it sucks badly.
I just want you to prove your work.

These are facts, it's no theory.
You have provided nothing from the architects, just your assumptions, so yes it is still only a theory.

You mean the one with Lucifer in the middle ? Is that the picture you are talking about, I see.
If you're talking about the one I quoted then yes.

Just saying it doesn't make something Masonic. I want explanations and reasons.

The fall....the fall liberty, is that what you call freedom ? Very sad indeed.
Again, you're making statements about my own beliefs without knowledge.

It's both rude and arrogant. I've explained that I support true freedom, not selective freedom like many of you seem to support.

One thing is for sure your fraternity is full of liars, infiltrators and manipulators.
Your opinion.

Masons are obsesed with her.
So the Statue(s) of Liberty and Statue of Freedom (two examples) are an example of obsession? You're not really one to talk about obsessive behavior.

...they were behind the french american revolution along with other groups with the overthrow of the church establishment across Europe and USA.
Incorrect. Masons were on both sides of the revolution, just like in America, but it wasn't some conspiracy to attack the Roman Catholic Church. Nor were their plans in America to attack any churches.

Libertas/Venus the Roman goddess adopted by the Romans directly from Babylon is an masonic Icon, she is the mother of masons (ma-son, mother's son)
Where in Masonic ritual is this used? Use by individual Masons doesn't constitute an institutional or organizational use by the Fraternity. I mean I've used various symbols and figures, but that doesn't make them Masonic.

She is born out of the toxic residue/foam of the oceans after the oceans have retreated, dirt in other words.
Incorrect. Yes, she was born out of the sea, but foam is neither toxic nor dirt.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm#Masonic Origins (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/masonic.htm#Masonic Origins)
With this web address, you know whatever was said was false and full of shit.

The Council of 33 = the 33o Masons.
Are you saying the Council of 33 is ran by 33rd degree Scottish Rite Masons? There is no such body in Masonry, but there is the Supreme Council, but there is more than just one.

(The Council of 13 heading up the plan for world hegemony are signified by the 13 layers of masonry portrayed on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States and printed on the U.S. one dollar bill by Illuminatus F.D. Roosevelt).
13 is not a significant number in Freemasonry. Is it just too much to realize that the use of 13 on the Great Seal had to do with the number of colonies?

John Robison, an eighteenth century historian and a prominent Mason...
That's a stretch

...was entrusted with some of the original documents and correspondence of the Illuminati.
Where are these documents today?

Because freemasonry is a criminal gang. Thats why.
According to you, but who are you?

The former? then to the zoo you will go.
You'll never put me in a zoo *cough* concentration camp.

That's what I call a Win Win situation .... they gone with them they terrorists ... they with the terrorists they also terrorists. "Perfect!" how could the public lose this one?
Good luck convincing any sane or rational person that we're terrorists.

Is it the people who live behind the wall of comfort ? at the cost of others.
The arrogant sirs and lords that formed the European aristocracy. ?
Gay fucks dressed in fagot outfits, is it them :D ?

Ohhhh I'm a sir, ohhhhh I'm a lord I can't work what others work, I'll stain my fagot clothing outfit, I'll stain my hands so I wear gloves all the time to protect my precious hands, look at my precious outfit. I'm only made to rule.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Good Lord.

Masonry was no different at that time, just look these pussycats, dressing + expression, and how they do with their legs, just like females.
It wasn't just Masons that dressed like this. It was what was in fashion at the time.

Isn't it clear who these people were, the spoiled children of nobility, the unsatisfied cry babies.
So you're parents were of noble blood and spoiled you?

elshaper
03-06-2013, 01:12 AM
hey all your masonic fiends,
Do you think your lodge would donate some funds for the new tv station? No strings attached of course. I heard lodges are charitable backed by many rich people :D

heartbeatsalute
03-06-2013, 01:32 AM
hey all your masonic fiends,
Do you think your lodge would donate some funds for the new tv station? No strings attached of course. I heard lodges are charitable backed by many rich people :D




http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/image.php?u=105090&type=sigpic&dateline=1369630600

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 01:34 AM
I'll just quote on this, since the rest was debated.


Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Good Lord.

Better to have bad mouth than be a sold out fake. I do not wish to take part in your social mascarade with standards and indoctrination of what is good and bad.

You can be polite all you want, but you are still a fake, like your whole
politeness, it is just a social mask.

You need 10 million rules to be able to live your lives because what should be inside of you is clearly missing, so you have to guide by rules and laws because you can't feel anything, something is missing. Naturally good and bad comes from within you, the one that feels what is good and bad does not need educating on what is good and bad because it's already in him. However since you sold out you need rules my boy to guide by.

Life indeed is about the touch, the sensation and not the law. You don't need things to say that it tastes sweet from sugar or salty from salt, because you can taste it. However if your taste is gone, you have to have a book to tell you what it tastes like. Are you ready to live your live like a cochroach ? by instructions red from the book, you humor me when I know that it's what your fraternity is about.

Secrets can be kept without laws, everything can be done without laws, it's called spiritual/soul evolution. Laws are good in small proportions, moderate, but your fraternity is FREAK LAW ORDER.

Your fraternity and similar groups tried to recruited me numerous times, I even ended up in the hospital because of it, but I'm not going to get into it, I was drugged. It's in fact why I'm here constantly to talk to everyone about what your fraternity is about.

I am not a polite person, but a true one. I only respect who I want.
Being polite is for fake people who smile, fake gestures, fake smiles for apeareance only, impressions that are not real. In other words something that looks but it's not what it looks like, fake.
Even a simple hand gesture, if it's done in a forced mechanical way because it says somewhere in the book then it's fake, you didin't really mean it and you are simulating it.
I don't like you I don't have to deal with you. If I don't like you I just move on, however because the grief people like you caused me I'll be here on a constant note talking bad about your fraternity.

I have noticed you are a dishonest person, I don't really like you at all, don't take it personal, but I don't like your fraternity either, I would never join fakes with masks on their faces.

From now on I will address you as Mister Sold Out.

Your fraternity's image is stained forever, and we are here to stain it even more, until it is so dirty that it falls in the hole it came from.
I take personal relief into seeing your organization fall, you know the numbers falling down, I know why you are here, to stop the fall, but we will be here, there are so many you can't do anything. There are millions that talk about your fraternity, what are you going to do ? Millions that don't like your fraternity, all young like me.

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 01:50 AM
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/image.php?u=105090&type=sigpic&dateline=1369630600

That is a disturbing image. :D I had no idea the TV can do that, thank god my TV is off.

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 02:20 AM
Father time and the Virgin masonic interpretation.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPcsILQXOqRm7i1ucED7xfzRs0cCeM5 KLoBOb7VB6dfxcXOzq0
The weeping virgin Venus - Virgo (widow)

http://www.vaamaranth.org/images/Flag_of_Virginia.jpg

ksigmason
03-06-2013, 04:01 AM
hey all your masonic fiends...
Who would do such a thing when you are calling us fiends?

Better to have bad mouth than be a sold out fake.
Except I haven't sold out and you will still have a filthy, unintelligent mouth.

I do not wish to take part in your social mascarade with standards and indoctrination of what is good and bad.
It's not about good and bad, it's about basic civility and crudeness...you display the latter. You talk about what one recognizes as naturally good and bad, crudeness is bad. I am very blunt myself and that is one of the reasons I never made it far in the military rank wise.

However since you sold out you need rules my boy to guide by.
Here is yet another example of one of your gross assumptions.

Life indeed is about the touch, the sensation and not the law.
I agree life is about the sensations.

Are you ready to live your live like a cochroach ? by instructions red from the book, you humor me when I know that it's what your fraternity is about.
Who says I do? I love the reading of books, but these books are not on how to live. I live life on my own terms and I've never been one to read a book to learn new skills...I'm a hands on learner. Fraternity is not about social control.

Laws are good in small proportions, moderate, but your fraternity is FREAK LAW ORDER.
Not really.

Your fraternity and similar groups tried to recruited me numerous times...
I highly doubt that.

...I even ended up in the hospital because of it, but I'm not going to get into it, I was drugged.
You think way too highly of yourself.

Being polite is for fake people who smile, fake gestures, fake smiles for apeareance only, impressions that are not real.
Civility is not about being fake. Your crudeness and rude behavior is a strong example of to what levels you sink to try and force your point across. You rely not upon intelligent conversation, but barbarism.

I don't like you...
So? Is this supposed to shock me?

If I don't like you I just move on, however because the grief people like you caused me I'll be here on a constant note talking bad about your fraternity.
Your perceived grief.

...don't take it personal...
I never do...if you keep my family out of it...then you'll cross a line.

From now on I will address you as Mister Sold Out.
Meh. Yet another example of your childishness.

Your fraternity's image is stained forever...
In your mind.

...and we are here to stain it even more, until it is so dirty that it falls in the hole it came from.
So claims the mudslinger who cares nothing for facts, but rather just wanting to throw mud.

I take personal relief into seeing your organization fall...
Who says we are falling?

...you know the numbers falling down...
Quantity is not indicative of the health and quality of the Fraternity.

There are millions that talk about your fraternity, what are you going to do ?
Millions? I thinks that's just a tad inflated and you are incapable of proving such numbers.

Millions that don't like your fraternity, all young like me.
What about the wave of youth joining Freemasonry. I'd still consider myself young...I'm 28 and I have been in Freemasonry since I was 21. The pattern I see is that more and more young people are joining, and this is a drastic change from just 5-years ago.

Freemasonry will continue to exist long after either of us were on this Earth. Tyrants, fascists, fanatics, and the ignorant alike have throughout our existence claimed our near was at hand and attempted to forcefully ban us...and yet here we are. Continuing good works regardless of the mudslinging naysayers.

Do It Anyway
Mother Teresa

People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.

If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.

What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.

The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.

Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.

In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.

speculative
03-06-2013, 07:11 AM
Honestly, get away from that cult group!! I mean it. They have corrupted your brain. Dancing for a red hat is insane. :(

Morning mate,

I was joking, sorry, I thought you were too? :o We do not really do that, there is no red hat in any of my orders, I was just being light hearted after Oirams posts.

speculative
03-06-2013, 07:15 AM
hey all your masonic fiends,
Do you think your lodge would donate some funds for the new tv station? No strings attached of course. I heard lodges are charitable backed by many rich people :D

Please don't call us fiends, you don't even know me :(

We are charitable, on another thread, someone was talking about the donations for UGLE, there is a link there somewhere. I do not think that UGLE, LDH, or OWF would be sending money to David Ickes TV channel sadly, especially with some of the things he has said about us. Interesting question though, if the money WAS offered, would david accept it, if it meant the difference between making the deadline or not?!

offramp
03-06-2013, 07:34 AM
In the CT-ist pyramid even Icke does not know what happens in the upper levels.
The CTists in the lower levels of the pyramid are completely deluded.

speculative
03-06-2013, 07:43 AM
In the CT-ist pyramid even Icke does not know what happens in the upper levels.
The CTists in the lower levels of the pyramid are completely deluded.

I believe there is a new pyramid being started too, David Ickes TV channel, he and Sean are at the top making all the decisions, and then there is the production team to make editorial additions, then there are the people DOING the show then there are the viewers! new shock story :eek:

This is of course a bit of fun, and NOT to be taken seriously, so please do not do so! :)

elshaper
03-06-2013, 08:54 AM
Morning mate,

I was joking, sorry, I thought you were too? :o We do not really do that, there is no red hat in any of my orders, I was just being light hearted after Oirams posts.
I thought it was real because red hats in the masonic pictures provided.

Please don't call us fiends, you don't even know me :(

We are charitable, on another thread, someone was talking about the donations for UGLE, there is a link there somewhere. I do not think that UGLE, LDH, or OWF would be sending money to David Ickes TV channel sadly, especially with some of the things he has said about us. Interesting question though, if the money WAS offered, would david accept it, if it meant the difference between making the deadline or not?!
But I do believe you guys worship devils and satan :(
May be not you but if you follow higher ups who does, you are in a way blindly following if not directly....

It would be interesting for both sides.
I know they will reach the target by the way it is going.

speculative
03-06-2013, 09:09 AM
I thought it was real because red hats in the masonic pictures provided.


But I do believe you guys worship devils and satan :(
May be not you but if you follow higher ups who does, you are in a way blindly following if not directly....

It would be interesting for both sides.
I know they will reach the target by the way it is going.

The total does seem to be rocketing up, nearly half the required funds by the end of the 3rd day I would imagine!

As for the hat, sorry, I was only trying to inject a bit of humour into the posts that can sometimes become very circular (we all know hoe these things can go), there is no hat so no need to worry there! :)

As for the satan thing, all I can say is this;

From my own personal experience;
I do not worship the devil. In no order that I am in, do we worship the devil. I have friends in different orders, and friends in provincial/grand lodge levels, who are 100% christian and they have never had a conflict of faith.

When we pray, we direct our prayers to whichever God we believe in. Whilst I was brought up Christian (CoE primary school etc.) I still hold the bible as a set of stories that guide us to moral uprightness - This does not mean I think the people in the Bible are all made up, just that some of the things that are stated may be more artistic license than others (peoples ages for instance).

If I ever found any Order that WAS worshipping the devil, I would leave it imediately; so far and from my own experience it has not happened.

I hope that may have cleared up my own stance on the ideas. :)

elshaper
03-06-2013, 09:13 AM
The total does seem to be rocketing up, nearly half the required funds by the end of the 3rd day I would imagine!

As for the hat, sorry, I was only trying to inject a bit of humour into the posts that can sometimes become very circular (we all know hoe these things can go), there is no hat so no need to worry there! :)

As for the satan thing, all I can say is this;

From my own personal experience;
I do not worship the devil. In no order that I am in, do we worship the devil. I have friends in different orders, and friends in provincial/grand lodge levels, who are 100% christian and they have never had a conflict of faith.

When we pray, we direct our prayers to whichever God we believe in. Whilst I was brought up Christian (CoE primary school etc.) I still hold the bible as a set of stories that guide us to moral uprightness - This does not mean I think the people in the Bible are all made up, just that some of the things that are stated may be more artistic license than others (peoples ages for instance).

If I ever found any Order that WAS worshipping the devil, I would leave it imediately; so far and from my own experience it has not happened.

I hope that may have cleared up my own stance on the ideas. :)
If you are holding the bible to your heart....well that is another subject for discussion but anyhow, if you are a Christian, why do you need to join ANOTHER organisation? :confused:

pr0fanus
03-06-2013, 09:32 AM
The Illuminati have won since the french american revolution, along with the others that are part of the establishment, this is their world, animal suffering for glory and scientific research, the planet is a dump, everything is superficial, extreme materialism and the consumer society, this is the utopia.

Too often do people get away with falsehoods like that. Do you realize that allowable animal suffering has been steadily and drastically going down? A few hundred years ago, no one would bat an eye if you slaughtered an animal by cutting its throat with a dull blade, a slow and painful ordeal. Today, you'd probably have a pretty stiff punishment coming your way. This, of course, includes experiments on animals as well. Obviously, regulations on allowable experiments have been getting tighter for a while now, but realize that before the revolutions you mentioned, there were no regulations. People were allowed to treat animals however they wished. Contrary to what speculative said, this isn't just your opinion. This is false. I've said this before on here, but everyone really should read The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker.

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 10:27 AM
Too often do people get away with falsehoods like that. Do you realize that allowable animal suffering has been steadily and drastically going down? A few hundred years ago, no one would bat an eye if you slaughtered an animal by cutting its throat with a dull blade, a slow and painful ordeal. Today, you'd probably have a pretty stiff punishment coming your way. This, of course, includes experiments on animals as well. Obviously, regulations on allowable experiments have been getting tighter for a while now, but realize that before the revolutions you mentioned, there were no regulations. People were allowed to treat animals however they wished. Contrary to what speculative said, this isn't just your opinion. This is false. I've said this before on here, but everyone really should read The Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven Pinker.

It has been going up, not down, in the food industry and in scientific research due to the cochroach utopia that lacks any value at all.

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 10:43 AM
Where in Masonic ritual is this used? Use by individual Masons doesn't constitute an institutional or organizational use by the Fraternity. I mean I've used various symbols and figures, but that doesn't make them Masonic.

Your logic has been debunked, it is flawed, in your view nothing belongs to no one. For example the cross is not a christian symbol because it has been adopted from somewhere else, of course this is a flawed asumtion and the cross is a christian symbol.

Once you adopt an icon then you associate with it, in case of masonry she has been adopted as a symbol because she is the masonic mommy.
You adopt symbols then you associate with them to be symbolic of your cause. Once masonry has integrated her a as a symbol then masonry associates with her representation.
People use symbology to associate with it. She is adopted in masonry to represent liberty and the mother.

Ksig the mother's son. You are the widow 's son mamasonicus. :rolleyes:

pr0fanus
03-06-2013, 10:54 AM
It has been going up, not down, in the food industry and in scientific research due to the cochroach utopia that lacks any value at all.

The facts tell a different story.

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 11:30 AM
The facts tell a different story.

Like making horse comsumtion legal ? The demand is going up not down since there are more and more to feed. The demand on the market rises in proportion with the need of the people, simple economics.

As for animal experimentation it has gone up with the modern research era.

pr0fanus
03-06-2013, 12:11 PM
Like making horse comsumtion legal ? The demand is going up not down since there are more and more to feed. The demand on the market rises in proportion with the need of the people, simple economics.

Except that horse has been eaten ever since there was horse to eat. Legally. The ban on horse meat was a Catholic thing. I personally see no difference between eating horse and eating cattle.

As for animal experimentation it has gone up with the modern research era.

It has been significantly reduced and additionally restrictions are in sight. This, again, proves that people are becoming more compassionate towards animals, not less. A few hundred years ago, no one would have thought twice about spraying a mouse with something. That's the last thing they would've cared about. Hell, no one thought twice about cutting open live animals to inspect their living guts.

fluxed
03-06-2013, 12:49 PM
Here's that reference again... It's all here buddy, chapter and verse
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Madame-Blavatskys-Baboon-History-Spiritualism/dp/0805241256/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370184603&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Madame+Blavatsk%27s+baboon

BTW, you haven't ' learnt' hieroglyphics.
No one has or can.
They aren't a language as such you'd need the mindset and context or the 'writers' to comprehend their 'then' meaning.
That's impossible, for anyone to do.


Please onlookers, notice the failure. grandmasterp
quotes the above amazon book link.......huuuh?

This is not quoting where i am wrong...please,
again, as you are such an authority on the
Egyptian Mystery schools, show me the errors?


Now he tells me - hieroglyphics are a mystery....duuh

You now deny the Rosetta Stone?

It is a stone with writing on it in two languages (Egyptian and Greek), using three scripts (hieroglyphic, demotic and Greek).

Please , pro-masons, explain where this Rosetta stone
is in error?

fluxed
03-06-2013, 12:53 PM
you should start.
what you have been passing off as 'history' is fiction.
the theosophical writings of the 19th and early 20th century are not history.

Little children. All these pro-masons jump on the bandwagon
with this pathetic theosophical stamp.

This is desperation and will only be seen as such.

Are the tombs and monuments of Egypt also
Theosophical?

Then shut up. Duff people.

fluxed
03-06-2013, 01:02 PM
According to you, but who are you?



Check this contemptuous little elf, above.

I AM ONE HUMAN WHO KNOWS ABOUT YOUR
DIRTY BIG SECRETS, AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH!!!!

My spirit no longer visits your devil church.
This causes a domino effect, which will happen to
the majority of the populace.

MY SPIRIT IS FREE FROM MASONIC CULTS & RITUALS
& RELIGIONS.

What say you , pro-mason? Under the devils charms
indeed...

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 01:59 PM
I'm a noble, hohohohooho, I'm a king, I said I am a sir, look at mu mustache, I talk behind it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WCmF-9UASa4/Tmqa4XNAvjI/AAAAAAAAEoU/MdYZ1FDjJ7s/s320/news435.jpg
I am fit to rule, I'm a pussy cat.


Deluded men with personality disorder that suffer from royal personality.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIUpyHubkuJ5rsCP-sgywJKU8grqmPzcsI7Qi0qK4uHzXdJAs

If I would put one more medal on this guy he would fall down on the floor, the medals weight more than his self.
Ohohohoohoo I am the most high. Commander and chief

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 02:29 PM
Simply the best. Most elevated one.:confused:
Mister Old fart:
http://pubshistory.com/EssexPubs/Maldon/shipan7.jpg
Old people are okay as long as they are not farts.

Is this the society of tomorrow, with these kind of people, is this it ? With these ego centric grando-maniacs.

ksigmason
03-06-2013, 04:49 PM
I thought it was real because red hats in the masonic pictures provided.
We don't use those red hats. I mean the Shriner's have the red fez and St. Thomas has a dark red/maroon hat/cap, but they don't look like those images.

But I do believe you guys worship devils and satan :(
Your belief is not indicative of reality though. I don't worship the Devil, I worship Christ

May be not you but if you follow higher ups who does, you are in a way blindly following if not directly....
What is "higher up"?

...if you are a Christian, why do you need to join ANOTHER organisation? :confused:
I didn't join the Masons because of need or not finding something in Christianity.

I mean with that logic, why work? Why study?

Your logic has been debunked, it is flawed, in your view nothing belongs to no one.
What I'm saying is no symbol belongs EXCLUSIVELY to any one. Just look at the swastika, used both by Buddhists and Nazis alike, but used for entirely different reasons and meaning.

However, in all of your rants and raves about the statues, you have not shown any institutional hand in the design and creation. Like I said, an individual Masons use of something doesn't make that Masonic. I wrote a paper today on my views of progressivism, it doesn't make it a Masonic paper. I made coffee today, it doesn't make it Masonic just because I'm a Mason.

...the cross is a christian symbol.
Not solely though.

You adopt symbols then you associate with them to be symbolic of your cause.
While I'm one of the presiding officers of my Eastern Star Chapter, my mascot is the owl, my symbol is the lamp, my motto is 2 Samuel 22:29 (For thou art my lamp, O Lord: and the Lord will lighten my darkness.), and my flower is the Lily. What's your analysis of this?

Ksig the mother's son.
Is not everyone the son of a mother?

Check this contemptuous little elf, above.
I'm only contemptuous of you, but so what? I'm not contemptuous of God nor anything actually important or relevant.

I AM ONE HUMAN WHO KNOWS ABOUT YOUR
DIRTY BIG SECRETS, AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH!!!!
I'm still waiting for you to say something true.

I'm a noble, hohohohooho, I'm a king, I said I am a sir, look at mu mustache, I talk behind it.
I don't have a mustache...anymore. That uniform designates no titles of nobility or royalty.

Deluded men with personality disorder that suffer from royal personality.
Versus the man who has to denigrate others to feel better about himself? Talk about insecurity.

Most elevated one.
Not a title of Masonry.

http://pubshistory.com/EssexPubs/Maldon/shipan7.jpg
Holy South American General! That's a lot of medals!

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 05:12 PM
What I'm saying is no symbol belongs EXCLUSIVELY to any one. Just look at the swastika, used both by Buddhists and Nazis alike, but used for entirely different reasons and meaning.

However, in all of your rants and raves about the statues, you have not shown any institutional hand in the design and creation. Like I said, an individual Masons use of something doesn't make that Masonic. I wrote a paper today on my views of progressivism, it doesn't make it a Masonic paper. I made coffee today, it doesn't make it Masonic just because I'm a Mason.

Venus Libertas in masonry represents liberty and the masonic mommy.
Masonry has taken the symbol with her. I'm not even sure she has been adopted by masonry, I think she has been there from the start as the masonic mother, the widow's son.
You can't hide these symbols, if they are in masonry regardless where they come from then they are part of your fraternity and are symbolic of what your fraternity is. You have been debunked.

As for most elevated it was just humor relating to other ego centric titles of masonry. Obvious bricks don't have a sense of humor.

mistressmason
03-06-2013, 06:43 PM
*pops in and looks about....exits quickly!* :eek:

bikerdruid
03-06-2013, 06:51 PM
My spirit no longer visits your devil church.
This causes a domino effect, which will happen to
the majority of the populace.

MY SPIRIT IS FREE FROM MASONIC CULTS & RITUALS
& RELIGIONS.


gee ... mine too.
i also am free.
however, the difference is that i do not try and pass off fictional writings as reality, as you do.
you are condemning a huge organization that works in and for your community, based on the writings of theosophers.

ksigmason
03-06-2013, 07:38 PM
Venus Libertas in masonry represents liberty and the masonic mommy.
In your opinion.

You have been debunked.
I haven't. You've only given your opinion.

*pops in and looks about....exits quickly!* :eek:
RUN!

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 07:46 PM
In your opinion.

You are the widow's son. There are no other reasons why she is depicted in masonic art.

bikerdruid
03-06-2013, 07:48 PM
You are the widow's son.

i was until october, when we lost our mother. :(

fluxed
03-06-2013, 07:49 PM
gee ... mine too.
i also am free.
however, the difference is that i do not try and pass off fictional writings as reality, as you do.
you are condemning a huge organization that works in and for your community, based on the writings of theosophers.


This man under the occult is free. Laughable.

Go by, you deluded fashioned form.

bikerdruid
03-06-2013, 07:52 PM
This man under the occult is free. Laughable.


"under the occult"?
huh??

i at least have actually studied the occult and have a basic understanding of many things.
i am 'under' nothing.
knowledge is power and freedom... power over self and freedom from delusion.
you really should try it.
"and the truth shall set you free."

pepsi78
03-06-2013, 07:54 PM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9148/equality.jpg
The mommy of masonry, also the symbol of liberty for masons.

The mother's son

fluxed
03-06-2013, 07:56 PM
I'm only contemptuous of you, but so what? I'm not contemptuous of God nor anything actually important or relevant.


Boring now. Superfluous glut.




I'm still waiting for you to say something true.



I have been waiting for you to quote these
errors which you talk of.....waiting......

Numerous attempts, and you fail ever time.
Yet continue to hang around a conspiracy forum.

speculative
04-06-2013, 05:57 AM
If you are holding the bible to your heart....well that is another subject for discussion but anyhow, if you are a Christian, why do you need to join ANOTHER organisation? :confused:

Sorry I didn't get back to you elshaper, had a stupidly busy day yesterday!

Masonry is not a replacement for my religion, nor is it a path to God. My faith is MINE, not freemasonry's. Most of my "Masonic" life happens outside the lodge. Day to day, I try to lead a good life. I follow moral teachings that everyone knows, and everyone SHOULD follow. The whole "do unto others" thing for example. It is common usage, but how many people could you name that don't follow this in life? It is re-inforced in Masonry along with others, most notable education, fair treatment and freedom for all.

Outside the lodge, I study, both professionally and for my own sake. I try to be a good husband to my wife, son to my parents, and friend to my friends.

Inside the lodge, we undertake the ceremonies for candidates, collect for charity and have a good meal.

This is true of all orders that I am in, and I know from my own friends that the orders I am going into shortly are the same.

I hope this helps a little, sorry if it is a bit confused, I have been working the last 2 days non stop with 1, 30 minute break and daily sleep of 5 - 6 hours :(

elshaper
04-06-2013, 12:01 PM
Sorry I didn't get back to you elshaper, had a stupidly busy day yesterday!

Masonry is not a replacement for my religion, nor is it a path to God. My faith is MINE, not freemasonry's. Most of my "Masonic" life happens outside the lodge. Day to day, I try to lead a good life. I follow moral teachings that everyone knows, and everyone SHOULD follow. The whole "do unto others" thing for example. It is common usage, but how many people could you name that don't follow this in life? It is re-inforced in Masonry along with others, most notable education, fair treatment and freedom for all.

Outside the lodge, I study, both professionally and for my own sake. I try to be a good husband to my wife, son to my parents, and friend to my friends.

Inside the lodge, we undertake the ceremonies for candidates, collect for charity and have a good meal.

This is true of all orders that I am in, and I know from my own friends that the orders I am going into shortly are the same.

I hope this helps a little, sorry if it is a bit confused, I have been working the last 2 days non stop with 1, 30 minute break and daily sleep of 5 - 6 hours :(
If you are attending your lodge for social reasons, fair enough.
But don't give away your own power to an organisation. You don't need them.
As long as there is an organisation, there are rules which you must obey.
Instead, you can take moral values from Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or even wisdom from old granny. If you think it's good, you don't need a book, or place of worship. You can make your own sacred place in your home where you can have a quiet moment of reflection, meditation to rejuvenate your soul and just follow good moral and practice it.

I hope you'll have a good week :)

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 02:08 PM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9148/equality.jpg
The forced obligatory equality of communism, the commmunist masonic collective shown in this image.

Typical of what the templars did, they were the first bank ever, they were the first collectors of the dawn of modern times, communists.
The collection of value, typical of the Templars and the Roman Empire, this includes taxation since taxation is a collectable notion as in collecting taxes.

In stead of everyone reaching for their god given potential they have to be integrated and insured into the cochroach communist collective.

This image illustration just shows the hive mentality, and of course in the background the communist bitch with the masonic plumb line in her hand, MAMA queen prostitute and hooker of all hookers, miss Mama Venus.

speculative
04-06-2013, 04:52 PM
If you are attending your lodge for social reasons, fair enough.
But don't give away your own power to an organisation. You don't need them.
As long as there is an organisation, there are rules which you must obey.
Instead, you can take moral values from Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or even wisdom from old granny. If you think it's good, you don't need a book, or place of worship. You can make your own sacred place in your home where you can have a quiet moment of reflection, meditation to rejuvenate your soul and just follow good moral and practice it.

I hope you'll have a good week :)

Hi elshaper, the rules of freemasonry only apply to how the lodge operates and states that we should be good people. I used to practise Kendo when I was working shoreside and meditation and reflection is something I still continue

:) you have a good day too

bikerdruid
04-06-2013, 04:55 PM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9148/equality.jpg
The forced obligatory equality of communism, the commmunist masonic collective shown in this image.

Typical of what the templars did, they were the first bank ever, they were the first collectors of the dawn of modern times, communists.
The collection of value, typical of the Templars and the Roman Empire, this includes taxation since taxation is a collectable notion as in collecting taxes.

In stead of everyone reaching for their god given potential they have to be integrated and insured into the cochroach communist collective.

This image illustration just shows the hive mentality, and of course in the background the communist bitch with the masonic plumb line in her hand, MAMA queen prostitute and hooker of all hookers, miss Mama Venus.

are you going to try and tell us that the french revolution was a bad idea?

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 04:59 PM
are you going to try and tell us that the french revolution was a bad idea?

It's how socialists took over in France regardless how you view it.

bikerdruid
04-06-2013, 05:04 PM
It's how socialists took over in France regardless how you view it.

wow.
you would prefer a tyrannical ruling class and oppressed and starving poor, than see reform?
the french revolution freed the masses from the tyranny of the crown.
you really need to learn some history.

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 05:18 PM
wow.
you would prefer a tyrannical ruling class and oppressed and starving poor, than see reform?
the french revolution freed the masses from the tyranny of the crown.
you really need to learn some history.

I don't prefer any of them that is the point, I don't chose sides.
Masonic Communists or the Church system at that time, it's the same thing to me. They are all tyrants.

The French revolution was staged so they can take over, crooks taking over other similar people.
The only deal is that the church was more direct, and that the people who took over operate in a hidden manner behind lies and manipulation.

bikerdruid
04-06-2013, 05:41 PM
I don't prefer any of them that is the point, I don't chose sides.
Masonic Communists or the Church system at that time, it's the same thing to me. They are all tyrants.

The French revolution was staged so they can take over, crooks taking over other similar people.
The only deal is that the church was more direct, and that the people who took over operate in a hidden manner behind lies and manipulation.

like i said ... you need to learn some history.

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 05:46 PM
like i said ... you need to learn some history.

About the masonic french communists ? I have.

ksigmason
04-06-2013, 05:55 PM
But don't give away your own power to an organisation. You don't need them.
That is never asked.

As long as there is an organisation, there are rules which you must obey.
But there are restraints upon those rules. They do not control our lives.

The forced obligatory equality of communism, the commmunist masonic collective shown in this image.
So equality is communistic now?

Typical of what the templars did, they were the first bank ever, they were the first collectors of the dawn of modern times, communists.
They are the earliest well-known, but banking long predated the Templars.

Taxation is not indicative of communism nor does Freemasonry teach a "hive mentality". Freemasonry actually looks down upon "drones" as useless members of society.

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 05:57 PM
So equality is communistic now?

If you obligate people to be equal yes it's communism, it is called foreced collectivism.
You have no right to barge into people's work and take away their earnings to equal things out. People are not living in an insect hive.
True that big corporations must be limited in such way that small owned business and and small private enterprises can make it so the market can stay free, but that is about it.
Any further than that then you are a red communist, you know the red hat ;)


They are the earliest well-known, but banking long predated the Templars.

I have expressed my self correctly, when saying the dawn of modern times collectors, I never said they were the first ever. First bank of the begining of modern times.

ksigmason
04-06-2013, 05:59 PM
I don't prefer any of them that is the point, I don't chose sides.
Masonic Communists or the Church system at that time, it's the same thing to me. They are all tyrants.
So you can't prove it, but no matter what the Masons are the bad guys in your eyes. This is why hate is such a destructive force and cannot be reasoned with.

If you obligate people to be equal yes it's communism, it is called foreced collectivism.
We're not forcing one to be equal and what we do say as equal is not equal in faculties or wealth or property and so forth, but equal in rights...not Communism. We don't force collectivism.

heartbeatsalute
04-06-2013, 06:03 PM
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/us_presidents_and_satanism.htm



http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/Bush_Mason.jpg

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 06:04 PM
So you can't prove it, but no matter what the Masons are the bad guys in your eyes. This is why hate is such a destructive force and cannot be reasoned with.
[quote]
Sure I can, just by looking at the illustrations you can deduct, equality for all, turn in your stuff, we will collect it :rolleyes:

That is communism

How is that red torch, or red star cap, do you like it ?

[quote]
We're not forcing one to be equal and what we do say as equal is not equal in faculties or wealth or property and so forth, but equal in rights...not Communism. We don't force collectivism.

Sure you do, you just don't go public with it so you won't scare the kiddies.

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 06:06 PM
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/us_presidents_and_satanism.htm



http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/Bush_Mason.jpg

Just shows who they associate with, regardless if he is a Mason or not.
This picture is disgusting. I would not pose near that man once I knew what he did.
Since masonry is part of the club then pose away.

eppyone
04-06-2013, 06:25 PM
[QUOTE=ksigmason;1061541047]So you can't prove it, but no matter what the Masons are the bad guys in your eyes. This is why hate is such a destructive force and cannot be reasoned with.
[quote]Sure you do, you just don't go public with it so you won't scare the kiddies.

This is getting real old, but I'll repeat it once more.

Prove it.

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 06:43 PM
[QUOTE=pepsi78;1061541059][QUOTE=ksigmason;1061541047]So you can't prove it, but no matter what the Masons are the bad guys in your eyes. This is why hate is such a destructive force and cannot be reasoned with.


This is getting real old, but I'll repeat it once more.

Prove it.

I did, look at my previous posts, it's all there, have a nice day.

heartbeatsalute
04-06-2013, 06:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wjcg5ot0h8




"Svali" is the pseudonym of the woman, age 45, who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until 1996. She was the sixth head trainer in the San Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to her. She has risked her life to warn humanity of the Illuminati's covert power and agenda.

She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most powerful people in the world. It is largely homosexual and pedophile, practises animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with the CIA and Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. It may be the hand behind political assassination, and "terrorism," including Sept. 11, the Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast.

It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level; education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people are not happy.

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists and much of the world "elite" is engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

In March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly column for survivors of Illuminati ritual abuse at Suite101.com. In December 2000, H.J. Springer, the editor of CentrExNews,com contacted Svali and conducted an extended 18-part interview with her by email, which is reproduced on line and is copyrighted.

"I am convinced she is the real McCoy," Springer wrote to me. "I have personally relayed numerous email messages to her from other members -- ritually abused, brainwashed, raped, sexually abused people & you name it -- some of them confirming to me her story. So I have absolutely no doubt that Svali has been part of the Illuminati since childhood."

eppyone
04-06-2013, 07:08 PM
[QUOTE=eppyone;1061541082][QUOTE=pepsi78;1061541059]

I did, look at my previous posts, it's all there, have a nice day.

Lol, really? How old are you?

heartbeatsalute
04-06-2013, 07:15 PM
In 1738 Pope Clement XII issued a Papal Bull condemning and excommunicating all Freemasons, whom he pronounced 'enemies of the Roman Church'....
In its text the pope declares that Masonic thought rests on a heresy...- the denial of Jesus's divinity. And he further asserts that the guiding spirits, the 'masterminds', behind Freemasonry are the same as those who provoked the Lutheran Reformation." - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

"In 1740, the Grand Master of the Order of Malta caused the Bull of Pope Clement XII. to be published in that island, and forbade the meetings of the Freemasons. On this occasion several Knights and many citizens left the island; and in 1741, the Inquisition persecuted the Freemasons at Malta. The Grand Master proscribed their assemblies under severe penalties, and six Knights were banished from the island in perpetuity for having assisted at a meeting." - Commander Gourdin,

"Citizens of Northwestern New York acted swiftly in 1826 when they heard the news that William Morgan had disappeared. Morgan, described by an historian of politics as "a somewhat down at heel citizen of Batavia," was a disgruntled Mason who had written a book alleged to be an expose' of Masonic secrets. Rumors contended that the Masons had murdered Morgan. The Order, for its part, maintained a stolid and uncooperative silence, and so local political organizations campaigned to keep support from office- seeking Masons. One new organization, the Anti-Masonry Party, attracted those in the populace who distrusted the Masons and other secret societies. It grew almost overnight, and the party's power base soon stretched from western New York to Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Vermont.

"In the rush of growth of the anti-Masonic movement, the initiating impetus for it was submerged, and neither the fate of Morgan nor the culpability of the Masonic Order was ascertained. Instead, the new and liberal Anti-Masonry Party became the voice of the poorer citizen against the well-to-do (and most Masons were regarded as rich), the spokesman for the orthodox against Unitarianism and other liberal sects, a supporter of temperance and anti-slavery activities, and a cheerleader for some features of Jacksonian Democracy against the autocratic Federalists. It opposed not only secret societies and government-in-secret, but also imprisonment for debt and drafts for state militia service."But as the party gathered strength it also began to move from the 'left' to the 'right', supporting tariffs on imported goods to prevent the collapse of local industries, better canals for more efficient transport, and banks free from regulatory taxes. As such, it was vainly used by politicians for their own ends, chiefly anti-Jacksonian: Thurlow Weed and William H. Seward tried unsuccessfully through the Anti-Masonry Party to overthrow Martin van Buren's Albany Regency (informal group of Democratic leaders in New York), and politician Thad Stevens in Pennsylvania tried to use it to increase his power. Soon the new party was voting with the National Republican Party against the Jacksonians; by 1834 it had moved entirely to the 'right', for it helped found the reactionary Whig Party, which absorbed the Anti-Masonry Party in 1836." - Brian Francis Redman ("The Big C")

"By the 1880s eight Popes had already condemned Freemasonry when Freemasons urged that these condemnations had been based on erroneous information and were excessively severe. This led Pope Leo XIII to issue his famous encyclical Humanum Genus in 1884. Leo XIII classed Freemasonry as a grouping of secret societies in the 'kingdom of Satan' and, like the Greek Orthodox Church half a century later, stated that it wished 'to bring back after eighteen centuries the manners and customs of the pagans.'"
- Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

"There was nothing nefarious or subversive on the pope's part, Leo XIII was a troubled man. He felt deeply the great losses in church power, privilege, and wealth brought on by the democratic revolutions and developed such profound mistrust that he kept all of the gold of the Vatican in a box under his own bed. He truly believed democracy was evil, part of the 'kingdom of Satan', and that the Catholic church had a right and duty to oversee every secular government." - John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

"The principles of social science follow. Here naturalists teach that men have all the same rights, and are perfectly equal in condition; that every man is naturally independent; that no one has a right to command other; that it is tyranny to keep men subject to any other authority than that which emanates from themselves."
- Pope Leo XIII, "Humanum Genus"

VATICAN CITY (1985) "The Vatican, clarifying its position on membership in Masonic lodges, said yesterday that Catholics who join such organizations commit 'grave sin'. The new reminder, in the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, appeared to be aimed mainly at Catholics in the United States, where some have interpreted recent church statements as relaxing the 247-year-old ban on Masonic membership imposed by Pope Clement XII. A new code of Canon Law outlined on Nov. 25, 1983, omitted membership in the Masons in the list of offenses that incur automatic excommunication." - (UPI)


http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/masons/mpolitics.html#Templarism


:rolleyes:

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 07:16 PM
[QUOTE=pepsi78;1061541108][QUOTE=eppyone;1061541082]

Lol, really? How old are you?

Young enough not to be like you I guess if age is the problem

eppyone
04-06-2013, 07:27 PM
[QUOTE=eppyone;1061541141][QUOTE=pepsi78;1061541108]

Young enough not to be like you I guess if age is the problem

You don't even know me you little whipper-snapper!

speculative
04-06-2013, 07:27 PM
:rolleyes:

So just let me run this through my mind.

People on here hate the catholic church because it is run by evil people who are not interested in faith but in "molesting and abusing" children and have the sort of people like "savile" lauded. However they are the speakers of truth when THEY say that freemasonry is a Sin...

Yeah, I will never understand the logic of people on here....

ksigmason
04-06-2013, 09:16 PM
Also, that we're equal in our voice in the Lodge; I have one vote, you have one vote. I love how you're now attacking equality. You've attacked liberty, freedom, and now equality. You've attacked people's rights to privacy and secrecy. You've attack our right to property and the free assembly thereof. Your entire argument is the antithesis of freedom and liberty. You would have us live in a world where people like you dispensed out privileges.

There is nothing in Freemasonry you won't critique because you're filled with hate and thus blind. Freemasonry could be and is doing great things, but you will denounce them. You care nothing for facts or reason or rationale, but spewing your poison, your hatred, and only care for throwing mud for the sake of throwing mud.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/us_presidents_and_satanism.htm
That site is a fanatical website filled with a bunch of BS. These kind of people would take us back to the Dark Ages. They seek to spread fear in order to coerce and force people to do what they wish.

Sure I can, just by looking at the illustrations you can deduct, equality for all, turn in your stuff, we will collect it :rolleyes:
So you take an image out of context and you think that justifies your hate? LOL

Nowhere in Freemasonry do we say or demand that one turns in their stuff and we dispense it as we see fit.

How is that red torch, or red star cap, do you like it ?
We don't use a red torch or "red star cap".

Sure you do, you just don't go public with it so you won't scare the kiddies.
No we don't, and you cannot prove it.

"Svali" is the pseudonym of the woman, age 45, who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until 1996.
She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most powerful people in the world.
Uh huh :rolleyes:

It is largely homosexual and pedophile, practises animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with the CIA and Freemasonry.
Please prove it.

eastbeast
04-06-2013, 10:07 PM
Lol, really? How old are you?




Young enough not to be like you I guess if age is the problem



He's got you there eppy!

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 10:13 PM
He's got you there eppy!

I don't have him, he has his self hostage, a prisoner of his own concepts.
It's how old people(not all) old people that see things in his way.

Ohhh how old are you, ohhh I am older my name is Santa Clause and I have medals and a mustache.

All he needs is a sword in his hand :rolleyes:

pepsi78
04-06-2013, 10:17 PM
We don't use a red torch or "red star cap".
Sure you don't :rolleyes:

But we don't believe you.

eppyone
04-06-2013, 10:43 PM
He's got you there eppy!

The point is, I'm old enough to have an idea of how the world works, a mortgage to pay off, and people that depend on me.

If I have ever needed confirmation that I've made the right life decisions, this site has given them to me.:D

eastbeast
04-06-2013, 11:03 PM
The point is, I'm old enough to have an idea of how the world works, a mortgage to pay off, and people that depend on me.

If I have ever needed confirmation that I've made the right life decisions, this site has given them to me.:D



Preaching to the Choir Brother!

heartbeatsalute
04-06-2013, 11:09 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli

grandmasterp
04-06-2013, 11:13 PM
Preaching to the Choir Brother!


I do wonder sometimes if some of our chums who are so pro sharing it all around have got feck all themselves to begin with hence all to get and nowt to share.
:)

ksigmason
05-06-2013, 01:09 AM
I don't have him, he has his self hostage, a prisoner of his own concepts.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Ohhh how old are you...
28 going on 4.

Sure you don't :rolleyes:

But we don't believe you.
I don't care if you don't believe me as you cannot prove that we do use them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli
P2 lost there charter in the mid-70s due to their corrupt activities. They continued on their own, as a clandestine and non-Masonic organization (as clandestine as you can get). Nothing P2 ever did was indicative of actual Freemasonry, they were perverted group of men who used the name Freemasonry, but didn't practice any of its tenets and principles. The name "Freemasonry" is not trademarked so anyone can use and we have seen examples of that, like in this case.

The Grand Orient of Italy that had repealed the charter was itself not recognized until the 90s, but then only by the American Grand Lodges; England recognizes the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy.

heartbeatsalute
05-06-2013, 01:16 AM
P2 lost there charter in the mid-70s due to their corrupt activities. They continued on their own, as a clandestine and non-Masonic organization (as clandestine as you can get). Nothing P2 ever did was indicative of actual Freemasonry, they were perverted group of men who used the name Freemasonry, but didn't practice any of its tenets and principles. The name "Freemasonry" is not trademarked so anyone can use and we have seen examples of that, like in this case.

The Grand Orient of Italy that had repealed the charter was itself not recognized until the 90s, but then only by the American Grand Lodges; England recognizes the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy.


Ok , thanks for that ksigmason.

ksigmason
05-06-2013, 01:29 AM
Ok , thanks for that ksigmason.
P2 is a thorn in the side of real Freemasonry.

fluxed
07-06-2013, 12:38 AM
Looking back, through the thread, my attitude is a tad
dic*kheaded. I appologize.

Whether people are modern religious or past, we must
look for the cause and reasoning behind any.

I can only go back as far as Thoth. No 'being' appears
in history, prior to Thoth, presenting the knowledge
and wisdom and reform to human nature, like he
did.

And it is recorded plainly for us to see.
But the royals don't want us to question the cause(s).

Like i said, my visit from a UFO, made me take
this path. I now know that the royals do not want
to lose us. We are their lot. Without us, chained
in falsifications, they would cease to be.

UFO equals true freedom and forces questions
about history and religion and truth.

The less people enclosed in religion, the more
will get a visit.

fluxed
15-06-2013, 08:51 PM
And then i found this -

THE CHARGES OF A FREEMASON

BEHAVIOUR in the Presence of STRANGERS not MASONS.

'You shall be cautious in your Words and Carriage,
that the most penetrating Stranger shall not be able
to discover or find out what is not proper to be
intimated ; and sometimes you shall divert a
Discourse, and manage it prudently for the Honour
of the worshipful Fraternity.'

http://www.freemason.com/library/confre04.htm



Paranoid, since ancient times.

bikerdruid
15-06-2013, 10:07 PM
And then i found this -

THE CHARGES OF A FREEMASON

BEHAVIOUR in the Presence of STRANGERS not MASONS.

'You shall be cautious in your Words and Carriage,
that the most penetrating Stranger shall not be able
to discover or find out what is not proper to be
intimated ; and sometimes you shall divert a
Discourse, and manage it prudently for the Honour
of the worshipful Fraternity.'

http://www.freemason.com/library/confre04.htm



Paranoid, since ancient times.

secretive does not equal paranoia.

ksigmason
16-06-2013, 06:09 AM
And then i found this -

THE CHARGES OF A FREEMASON

BEHAVIOUR in the Presence of STRANGERS not MASONS.

'You shall be cautious in your Words and Carriage,
that the most penetrating Stranger shall not be able
to discover or find out what is not proper to be
intimated ; and sometimes you shall divert a
Discourse, and manage it prudently for the Honour
of the worshipful Fraternity.'

http://www.freemason.com/library/confre04.htm



Paranoid, since ancient times.
Actually this verse has nothing to do with paranoia, but rather not putting yourself into situations where you may divulge information one promised not too.

fluxed
18-06-2013, 03:13 PM
Actually this verse has nothing to do with paranoia, but rather not putting yourself into situations where you may divulge information one promised not too.

Then, the stranger should also treat you, being a stranger,
with such contempt?

pr0fanus
18-06-2013, 03:45 PM
Then, the stranger should also treat you, being a stranger,
with such contempt?

Do you give your bank PIN to everyone you meet? No? Why do you treat people with such contempt?

ksigmason
18-06-2013, 05:39 PM
Then, the stranger should also treat you, being a stranger,
with such contempt?
It's not contempt, but caution and ensuring you're not being played or put into a vulnerable position.

bikerdruid
18-06-2013, 05:41 PM
It's not contempt, but caution and ensuring you're not being played or put into a vulnerable position.

i think they call it, being careful.
it's just sound advice.

ksigmason
18-06-2013, 09:43 PM
i think they call it, being careful.
it's just sound advice.
Well we can't have that now!

fluxed
19-06-2013, 02:47 PM
Do you give your bank PIN to everyone you meet? No? Why do you treat people with such contempt?

Just like the other pro-masons , you will expose yourself
while attempting to do the opposite.


I will educate you, dont worry.

Contempt...

1. The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn.
2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a court of law or legislative body.

Now think......

Is my personal wealth in the public interests?
Then do any of the above definitions apply
to my not giving my pin number?

Whereas, the freemason...who swears an oath to withold
information which is almost certainly in the public
interests.. do any of the above definitions apply?

Only the first one...for 'inferior' the stranger must be,
if not worthy of answers to important questions.


Do you see how stupid your analogy is?

fluxed
19-06-2013, 02:48 PM
Do you give your bank PIN to everyone you meet? No? Why do you treat people with such contempt?

Just like the other pro-masons , you will expose yourself
while attempting to do the opposite.


I will educate you, dont worry.

Contempt...

1. The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn.
2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a court of law or legislative body.

Now think......

Is my personal wealth in the public interests?
Then do any of the above definitions apply
to my not giving my pin number?

Whereas, the freemason...who swears an oath to withold
information which is almost certainly in the public
interests.. do any of the above definitions apply?

For 'inferior' the stranger must be,
if not worthy of answers to important questions.


Do you see how stupid your argument is?

grandmasterp
19-06-2013, 02:54 PM
The words pot and kettle spring to mind.
:D

fluxed
19-06-2013, 02:58 PM
It's not contempt, but caution and ensuring you're not being played or put into a vulnerable position.

It is contempt because you are telling a stranger he is
not worthy of any answers to relevant questions
he might have.

What happened to love? Is a stranger degraded,
just because he is a stranger?

Because the freemasons install this attitude in
the populace?

Remember, alias Jesus was a stranger - TO HUMANITY,
but they listened to his truths and forced the pharaoh
bloodline into panic.

A stranger is a human, first. But as we see above,
that the freemasons judge people , even before they
open their mouths.

Such is the paranoia of power and royals desperation
to remain.

mistressmason
19-06-2013, 08:13 PM
Arrgghhhhhhhhh!!! I have been caught red handed! :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/vixtravels2/demoncook_zps65ed3f01.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/vixtravels2/media/demoncook_zps65ed3f01.jpg.html)
:D

ksigmason
19-06-2013, 10:36 PM
Contempt...
You do have a great deal of contempt; your own words prove it.

Whereas, the freemason...who swears an oath to withold
information which is almost certainly in the public
interests.. do any of the above definitions apply?
No it's not. Our secrecy and privacy has nothing to do with public interests. We are a private group.

It is contempt because you are telling a stranger he is not worthy of any answers to relevant questions he might have.
It's not contempt, but caution and ensuring that we keep our word. Put away your insecurities and your entitlement syndrome.

What happened to love?
There's nothing about Freemasonry that stops love. We perpetuate and cultivate love. Charity is love in action, but we are also charged to be individually charitable to all, not just Masons. Keeping our word and not divulging our secrets is not against love. In fact, if someone loves me they would not ask me to break my word and oaths.

But as we see above, that the freemasons judge people , even before they open their mouths.
No we don't. Not even one bit of truth here. There is however plenty of evidence that just by us being Masons you and many others have a great deal of contempt and hatred for us.

grandmasterp
19-06-2013, 10:55 PM
Maybe fluxed has never been invited to join hence he's a bit miffed.
:)

vinterberg
20-06-2013, 12:43 PM
wow.
the french revolution freed the masses from the tyranny of the crown.
you really need to learn some history.

..and what tyranny do we have today?

pr0fanus
22-06-2013, 11:19 AM
Just like the other pro-masons , you will expose yourself
while attempting to do the opposite.


I will educate you, dont worry.

Contempt...

1. The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn.
2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a court of law or legislative body.

Now think......

Is my personal wealth in the public interests?
Then do any of the above definitions apply
to my not giving my pin number?

It might be.

Whereas, the freemason...who swears an oath to withold
information which is almost certainly in the public
interests..

It's not.

do any of the above definitions apply?

Not necessarily, you haven't given us enough information to decide upon that.

Only the first one...for 'inferior' the stranger must be,
if not worthy of answers to important questions.

Why would you think that?

Do you see how stupid your analogy is?

No.

fluxed
22-06-2013, 04:02 PM
Ksigmason, you have yet to defend your position?

Freemasonry royal art?

What did that pro say , concerning my personal
wealth....it might be...in the public interests..

He uses my pin number to justify his position,
is this sad or what? then he denies his error.


No shame.

ksigmason
22-06-2013, 05:28 PM
Ksigmason, you have yet to defend your position?

Freemasonry royal art?
I answered this already, just not to your satisfaction.

fluxed
23-06-2013, 04:16 PM
.....Our secrecy and privacy has nothing to do with public interests. We are a private group.


CHORUS
Who can unfold the Royal Art ?
Or sing its Secrets in a Song ?
They're safely kept in Masons HEART
And to the ancient Lodge belong.

http://www.freemason.com/library/confre07.htm


Point1.
Political figures are freemasons. They
represent public interests. We only need to look
at previous 'exposed' political freemasons, to know
it is common.

Point2.
Freemasonry being pagan, runs contrary to this
religion which the royal family heads.


Point3.
If you want your childish , treehouse brotherhood,
where secrets are important, remove yourself
and make up a new order, out of our business,
where you can all keep secrets about your own
family affairs and other childish cowboy
and indian games.

Problem with the royal art of freemasonry,
they STICK THEIR HAIRY NOSES INTO OUR AFFAIRS
THEY ALSO MANIPULATE SOCIETY , SPY ON SOCIETY,
MAKE WARS BETWEEN SOCIETIES.

grandmasterp
23-06-2013, 04:20 PM
You really don't like the masons do you fluxed?
Focus on those things that make you happy bro.
It's the same life taken angry or happy.
Happy is better.
:)

fluxed
23-06-2013, 05:08 PM
There's nothing about Freemasonry that stops love. We perpetuate and cultivate love. Charity is love in action, but we are also charged to be individually charitable to all, not just Masons. Keeping our word and not divulging our secrets is not against love. In fact, if someone loves me they would not ask me to break my word and oaths.


You paint a rosey picture. A pity then that reality does
not align with your picture.

For example, ask yourself a simple moral question..

Is an oath more important that humanity?

Everytime i would answer, no chance.

Humanity is the product of of ALL FAMILIES,
whether freemasons or not.

So, i would always put humanity first.
An oath to this royal family, is no different
from the oath in the mafia - it is beyond immoral.


The ancient prophet warned us of oaths, did he not?

Then if you will not heed it, you must face the laws
of nature accordingly.

It seems to me that freemasons put the royal family,
before EVERYTHING ELSE. Including their own family.

speculative
23-06-2013, 06:06 PM
It seems to me that freemasons put the royal family,
before EVERYTHING ELSE. Including their own family.

Not even close chum. Family and friends, Work THEN freemasonry, it is told to every initiate in England before they even sign the application form.

ksigmason
23-06-2013, 06:56 PM
You paint a rosey picture. A pity then that reality does not align with your picture.
Neither is your picture and fake history in-line with reality.

Is an oath more important that humanity?
Our oaths are not against humanity so this question is irrelevant.

An oath to this royal family, is no different from the oath in the mafia - it is beyond immoral.
My oaths are not taken to the royal family, but to God.

It seems to me that freemasons put the royal family, before EVERYTHING ELSE. Including their own family.
Incorrect.

fluxed
24-06-2013, 07:15 PM
.....

Our oaths are not against humanity so this question is irrelevant.


My oaths are not taken to the royal family, but to God.


1) Then you have been misled.

2) To god, via the royal representative.

And lets not forget, this freemason has just stated
a religious aspect, which they often deny.


Sorry to burst you bubble, pro-masons,
but your great architect of the universe, is FAKE,
LAZY AND NASTY IN MIND.


Fake, because he made nothing but trouble on Earth.
He took the credit from nature. He is a liar.

Lazy, because he got kings to do his dirty work.

And nasty due to his encouraging human kings
to murder on a massive scale. Amongst many other
things.

The whole of humanity will cope with this fact one
day. And it is this reputation of god, which will
be remembered. He is no god, but a devil indeed.

speculative
24-06-2013, 07:23 PM
1) Then you have been misled.

2) To god, via the royal representative.

And lets not forget, this freemason has just stated
a religious aspect, which they often deny.




er no we dont? look at ANY of our posts about who can be a Mason and we ALWAYS say, "must believe in God" or "must believe in a Supreme being" it has never been denied. You just do not read or comprehend what we write.

fluxed
24-06-2013, 08:49 PM
Check this alphabetical sewage , part way through
a song of the freemasons -

[Stop here to drink to the glorious Memory of Emperors, Kings, Princes, Nobles, Gentry, Clergy, and learned Scholars that ever propagated the Art.]

http://www.freemason.com/library/confre07.htm

There in black and white. All the proof i need to back
up what i say about freemasons loving ancient Rome,
kings and emperors.

Only evil minds love monsters.

And if we read the whole song, we see that ancient
Rome, did indeed understand the royal art.

I will circulate this song which
clearly connects freemasonry into ancient egypt
and royalty itself. Soz masons.

ksigmason
24-06-2013, 08:49 PM
1) Then you have been misled.
Of course...:rolleyes:

2) To god, via the royal representative.
Incorrect. Our oaths are taken to God directly, not through any middle man.

And lets not forget, this freemason has just stated
a religious aspect, which they often deny.
Each member takes their oath to the god of their faith. This doesn't make us a religion.

Sorry to burst you bubble, pro-masons,
but your great architect of the universe, is FAKE,
LAZY AND NASTY IN MIND.
So now you're insulting my faith?

Honestly though, I could care less about your opinions on my faith and God.

afaram
24-06-2013, 11:01 PM
For a complete history of the Masons, and their role in founding the USA, buy the new book "La Merica" by Arthur Faram.

ksigmason
25-06-2013, 06:02 AM
For a complete history of the Masons, and their role in founding the USA, buy the new book "La Merica" by Arthur Faram.
Here is my article on the subject: http://www.travelingtemplar.com/2012/12/freemasonry-founding-of-united-states.html

fluxed
25-06-2013, 02:51 PM
er no we dont? look at ANY of our posts about who can be a Mason and we ALWAYS say, "must believe in God" or "must believe in a Supreme being" it has never been denied. You just do not read or comprehend what we write.

There it is....religious conditions indicate directly,
a religious order.

fluxed
25-06-2013, 02:57 PM
...
Incorrect. Our oaths are taken to God directly, not through any middle man..

Then pro-masons, please expand, does the Queen
head this religion of god?

Is the royal family and Roman empire, not responsible
for the making public, of this god?

Because lets remember, prior to this definition of god,
there were many gods, with the sun in the centre.

eppyone
25-06-2013, 03:19 PM
Then pro-masons, please expand, does the Queen
head this religion of god?

Is the royal family and Roman empire, not responsible
for the making public, of this god?

Because lets remember, prior to this definition of god,
there were many gods, with the sun in the centre.

Would you please quit it with the Royalty stuff? As an American, I couldn't give a rats ass about any of them.

I think I'd trade this dude for Lightgiver. Now that's saying something!

ksigmason
25-06-2013, 05:33 PM
Then pro-masons, please expand, does the Queen head this religion of god?
Not my religion, I'm not a member of the Anglican Church. Even for Anglican's they take their oath to God, not the Queen. You can try to spin and twist it all you want, but the fact remains, a Mason takes his oaths and obligations to the god of their faith directly.

speculative
25-06-2013, 06:50 PM
When you say "THIS" god fluxed, which one do you mean? there are many interpretations of God, and there is no one person who can say "this god is correct" it is for each to govern their iwn faith according to their own beliefs

fluxed
26-06-2013, 03:11 PM
Would you please quit it with the Royalty stuff? As an American, I couldn't give a rats ass about any of them.

I think I'd trade this dude for Lightgiver. Now that's saying something!

I will not even say ignorant, but naive.

''The royals maintain control over their disposable lieutenants by way of Masonic societies such as the Skull and Bones, and Bohemian Club. The double-headed eagle (emblem of Scottish Rite Masonry) is identical to the royal arms of European dynasties such as the Hapsburgs.''

''The blunt reality is that the Rothschild banking dynasty in Europe was the dominant force, both financially and politically, in the formation of the Bank of the United States ..''

http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons-additional.html


Like many US citizens, they think they are independent.

You may as well be in Wales sir.

Then again, Wales has far less prison labour exploitation.

I can seperate from my roots. I am the next ones brother.
She is my sister. The longer we pride ourselves
on seperation and culture, the longer we will
walk blind into traffic.

fluxed
26-06-2013, 03:43 PM
Not my religion, I'm not a member of the Anglican Church. Even for Anglican's they take their oath to God, not the Queen. You can try to spin and twist it all you want, but the fact remains, a Mason takes his oaths and obligations to the god of their faith directly.

A religious requirement?

Is a religious condition, not then opening the door
to contradictions, when considering that the royal
artists praise murderers?

Why do royal artists praise evil kings and emperors?

I bet i know....because they 'propogated' the art.

So there is historical evidence, BLATANT,
that freemasonry , this royal art, not only condones
but aspires to these ends.

These ends may force death, upon millions.
As long as the royals sustain with their troops
and artists.

Look at preservation of evil items / statues of evil men.
Royal art governments, aspire to and model on the
architectural designs of ancient Rome,
and more credit, ancient Egypt.

So they wish not only to sustain the art, but the
architecture surrounding it.

The infrastructure of the royal family, is worldwide.
This was taken care of during the dissolution of the
Egyptian Empire.

The royal art of pharaoh has been installed EVERYWHERE.

So we all have something in common , which
we need to expose and join efforts.

fluxed
26-06-2013, 03:46 PM
When you say "THIS" god fluxed, which one do you mean? there are many interpretations of God, and there is no one person who can say "this god is correct" it is for each to govern their iwn faith according to their own beliefs

My claiming a superstitious wasp leg god exists, holds
just as much substance.

God is Egyptian. Amen.

ksigmason
26-06-2013, 06:01 PM
A religious requirement?
Yes. We've always had this.

Is a religious condition, not then opening the door to contradictions, when considering that the royal artists praise murderers?
No. We don't praise murderers.

Keep sticking with your fear mongering and scapegoating.

My claiming a superstitious wasp leg god exists, holds just as much substance.

God is Egyptian. Amen.
So you have a hatred of Egyptian and you want to label everything Egyptian to justify your hatred. We get it. Now go away.

fluxed
30-06-2013, 01:36 PM
The christian masonic version.

"As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be,
world without end! Amen". - "So mote it be."

Lets look at the ancient Egyptian version -

"Amen, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end! ''.

The freemasons propogated this god, Amen.
It has been intergrated into christianity, with
the Egyptian cross.

speculative
30-06-2013, 04:51 PM
The christian masonic version.

The freemasons propogated this god, Amen.
It has been intergrated into christianity, with
the Egyptian cross.

The freemasons did no such thing. The Christians, did this. Freemasons as a society came around about the 15-1600's and as a guild of workmen (and no more) from the 1100's ish. The christian relgion was already well established by then.

Also there are crosses in every culture, a cross is not specifically egyptian.

ksigmason
30-06-2013, 09:04 PM
The freemasons propogated this god, Amen. It has been intergrated into christianity, with the Egyptian cross.
Amen isn't a god. It's of Hebrew origin that translates to "So be it", "verily", or "truly."

pr0fanus
30-06-2013, 09:18 PM
Amen isn't a god. It's of Hebrew origin that translates to "So be it", "verily", or "truly."

He's probably talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

fluxed
01-07-2013, 08:41 PM
He's probably talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

No, i think you will find i was talking about Amen.

Don't put words into peoples minds, in an attempt
to put them off track. Sad beings.

And the other pro-mason, don't tell lies.

I say again and again, NEVER TRUST A FREEMASON
,LOYAL TO A ROYAL FAMILY OF DEVILS.


O Amen,

Exalted one among the Company of the Gods,

Mighty one of awe among his mariners,

Great one of terror among the Gods,

Behold, thou art Rah in manifestation,

And Tem, among what hath been created.

http://kemetic.org/index.html

I think people will find this website very interesting.

What was you saying pro-mason?

fluxed
01-07-2013, 08:48 PM
The freemasons did no such thing. The Christians, did this. Freemasons as a society came around about the 15-1600's and as a guild of workmen (and no more) from the 1100's ish. The christian relgion was already well established by then.

Also there are crosses in every culture, a cross is not specifically egyptian.

NTAF - never trust a freemason.

You have failed like the other, to contradict my
research - freemasonry is a royal art.

Now i have posted songs and masonic wordings,
i have plenty more, to show this freemasonry is
a royal invention.
DONT MAKE FOOLS OUT OF YOURSELVES.

And concerning your masonic charity;

'Freemasons really do care, and the way in
which we care is exemplified by the Royal
Masonic Institution for Girls and Boys...'

Taken from a masonic website.

Considering freemasons like to boast about
giving to charity, they are shy when it comes
to TV camera's and public knowledge.
I mean, most people have never heard
of them. ( Just as the freemasons prefer.)
Jimmy Savile used a royal method -
under the cover of Charity.

Notice also the royal container.
Freemasonry is a royal invention or art.
They really don't want us to know this,
or broadcast this. The royal connection
gives it all away as to an ancient conspiracy.

pr0fanus
01-07-2013, 08:53 PM
No, i think you will find i was talking about Amen.

Don't put words into peoples minds, in an attempt
to put them off track. Sad beings.

And the other pro-mason, don't tell lies.

I say again and again, NEVER TRUST A FREEMASON
,LOYAL TO A ROYAL FAMILY OF DEVILS.


O Amen,

Exalted one among the Company of the Gods,

Mighty one of awe among his mariners,

Great one of terror among the Gods,

Behold, thou art Rah in manifestation,

And Tem, among what hath been created.

http://kemetic.org/index.html

I think people will find this website very interesting.

What was you saying pro-mason?

Oh, sorry, I thought you might be a rational agent for a while. Well, if you had bothered to check both of the links you'd notice that they're *gasp* talking about the same god.

ksigmason
02-07-2013, 12:09 AM
NTAF - never trust a freemason.
:rolleyes:

'Freemasons really do care, and the way in which we care is exemplified by the Royal Masonic Institution for Girls and Boys...'
This is just one of the charities that the British Masons do. In America there are several others.

At the Grand Lodge level, there is no single charity (some do ID programs, Bikes For Books, and so forth)
Royal Arch Research Assistance
Cryptic Masons Medical Research Foundation
Knights Templar Eye Foundation
Shrine Hospitals
Scottish Rite Schizophrenic Research
Amaranth has a charity on diabetes research

Like I've said from before, not everything Masonic surrounds England.

Jimmy Savile used a royal method - under the cover of Charity.
This still doesn't make Jimmy a Mason.

Freemasonry is a royal invention or art.
By legend.

speculative
02-07-2013, 05:58 AM
NTAF - never trust a freemason.

You have failed like the other, to contradict my
research - freemasonry is a royal art.

You claim it is egyptian in origin, was the secret group of egyptian magician priests and pharohs (only pharohs in the inner circle...which would make it a circle of 1, I believe?) and that pharohs are the ancestors of modern day rulers. I think you even said by direct bloodline? but I cannot remember.

I say Freemasonry, as an organisation began in the 1500s and emerged out of the medieval stone mason guilds. It then became adapted to a gentlemens club in which royalty IN THE UK, became a part of. If you looked at the medieval stone masons guilds, a lot of the time, it was the nobles and churches that employed them and patronised them. So when they evolved into the philosophical organisation why WOULDN'T they join? They still however did not invent it, not are they relevent outside of the UK.

Which sounds more plausable?

[/QUOTE]Now i have posted songs and masonic wordings,
i have plenty more, to show this freemasonry is
a royal invention.
DONT MAKE FOOLS OUT OF YOURSELVES.
[/QUOTE]

Did Jonny Cash realy fall into that burning ring of fire?
We also say that it is more ancient than the Golden Fleece or Roman Eagle; more honorable than the Star and Garter. It is ceremony. As you would say this modern prophet has gained the guidance of our ancestors in alien form and is knowing of the truth, I would disagree and call it a load of twoddle. So you do backwards. However, I am not the one starting post after post calling you evil for your belief.


And concerning your masonic charity;

'Freemasons really do care, and the way in
which we care is exemplified by the Royal
Masonic Institution for Girls and Boys...'

Taken from a masonic website.

Considering freemasons like to boast about
giving to charity, they are shy when it comes
to TV camera's and public knowledge.
I mean, most people have never heard
of them. ( Just as the freemasons prefer.)
Jimmy Savile used a royal method -
under the cover of Charity.

We do not boast charity, the only time I have ever put anything about charity on here is when people like you calim that we abuse the chatity or that we line our pockets with the money instead (by the way that is also pointless because in England, the masons collect money from our own pockets not collecting on the street etc).

As for public knowlede, If you are in the UK, go to Freemasons Hall in london, and 5 days a week it is open for guided tours, including the museum. in my province we have a provincial museum open to the public every day.

Forget linking savile with masonry, Hitler had his own youth program too, and he liked to exterminate masons, so just because 1 person abuses charity, it does not make him a mason.

Notice also the royal container.
Freemasonry is a royal invention or art.
They really don't want us to know this,
or broadcast this. The royal connection
gives it all away as to an ancient conspiracy.

It was not invented by royalty, the Duke of Kent is the head of masonry in England and Wales only, he has no authority outside of those boarders, or even in any order OTHER than Craft and HRA. If you want to debate (or abuse as is closer to the truth) at least get your facts straight, and it is not hidden, it is on our website!

fluxed
02-07-2013, 01:17 PM
Please onlookers, notice the effort above from these
pro-masons.

Even after been 'exposed' , they try to further
justify their positions.

He says freemasonry is only a royal art, in legend...
This is a clear attempt to 'soften' the implications.

And that royalty is founded on legend, makes it
all the more obvious, how these pro-masons are
desperate to 'cover my tracks'.

Religion is founded on legend - WITH ROYALTY.

It is time then to question the legitimacy of these
royal claims. Thus, expose the freemason element
and religious elements.

This pro-mason asking questions concerning royal
chains - ask Mr Icke. You will find our research concurs.