The Necktie

[joegum]

Whoa!! I just found that there seems to be a similar thread on this started by someone else earlier than me. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8237
I apologize! But, I think that maybe I'm going in a slightly different direction.

to the Webmaster...
Would it be possible to remove my thread and append it to the prior one?
Thanks,
-Joe G.


There's an issue I've been discussing with friends for years (who thought me quite humorous) dealing with the necktie. A correctly tied necktie is adjustable at the knot. Is it just me, or is the necktie really just a highly stylized choke collar?

Today, I decided to do a little light reading on the history of the necktie and came up with some interesting links. At http://www.twilightbridge.com/hobbies/festivals/father/necktie.htm

"The earliest known version of the necktie has been found in the massive mausoleum of China's first emperor, Shih Huang Ti, who was buried in 210 B.C. Desperately afraid of death, the emperor wanted to slaughter an entire to army to accompany him into the next world. His advisers ultimately persuaded him to take life-size replicas of the soldiers instead.

The result is one of the marvels of the ancient world. Unearthed in 1974 near the ancient capital city of Xian, the tomb contained an astonishing 7,500 life-size terracotta replicas of Shih Huang Ti's famed fighting force. Legions of officers, soldiers, archers and horsemen, all carved in meticulous detail, guard the emperor's sarcophagus. The armor, uniforms, hair, and facial expressions of the soldiers are reproduced in exquisite detail. Each figure is different - except in one respect: all wear neck cloths."

At http://www.shop-usa.info/TIE_HISTORY/tie_history.html

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History of the Necktie

Regardless of the fact that the definition of the necktie in most dictionaries states "a large band of fabric worn around the neck under the collar and tied in front with the ends hanging down as a decoration", its history says a lot more. Men have always found it necessary to tie something around their necks. The earliest historical example is in ancient Egypt. The rectangular piece of cloth that was tied and hung down till the shoulders was a very important part of an Egyptian’s clothing because it was showing his social status. In China, all the statues around the grave of Emperor Shi Huang Ti bear a piece of cloth around their necks, which is considered an ancestor of the modern necktie. In art from the Roman Empire, men are also depicted bearing neckwear that much resembles the contemporary necktie."

(Let's get really speculative.)

Why have human men for thousands of years (that we can document) gotten into the habit of wearing these highly stylized choke collars?

Since "the rectangular piece of cloth that was tied and hung down till the shoulders was a very important part of an Egyptian’s clothing because it was showing his social status." , I wonder... Did the slaves in the fields and mines wear the rope neckties and the "house slaves" wear more adorned choke collars that were more aesthetically pleasing in the master's home? And, to indicate to the other slaves that "I'm special! I'm a house slave!"? Is this why the so-called professional classes wear neckties? Is the necktie an artifact on an earlier time when man was enslaved and groveled for enhanced status? (Sort of like today?) Were the "masters" human... or, were they "YOU-KNOW-WHAT!"?

I was friends with a former policeman who claimed that the clip-on necktie was originally designed for police. That way, if an officer got into a physical altercation with someone and the tie was grabbed, it would just come off in the suspect's hand. But, still the police use the symbol of the necktie rather than just eliminate it for safety's sake. Contemplate for a moment the symbolism of a human "law enforcer" wearing a necktie. Or, a CEO wearing a necktie. Or, the priest class wearing not a necktie, but still a collar.

A necktie/noose/choke collar is a very convenient way of cutting off both the blood to the brain and the air to the lungs to induce panic, and then maybe death. Very effective and immediate discipline! Or, perhaps an efficient way of mass processing human male slaves by attaching them to a chain or tying them to posts for processing or discipline.

I just thought I'd share my subversive thought for the day.

-Joe

[cruise4]

"Desperately afraid of death, the emperor wanted to slaughter an entire to army to accompany him into the next world."

Doesn't that sum their mindset up.

"Why have human men for thousands of years (that we can document) gotten into the habit of wearing these highly stylized choke collars?"

Because they are indocrinated into it. I can well believe its a throwback to slavery and choke collars.

What gets me is how people identify their worth with garments in the first place. But then should you walk around like a tramp, no offence to tramps intended. Its another balance and ego thing I suppose.

[joegum]

Hi cruise4!

I remember when I was a boy, what a visceral reaction I had to wearing a necktie. It just made me sick even to my very spirit. It bothered me like no other piece of clothing. I just "knew" deep inside that it was connected with oppression, though I couldn't really verbalize what I was feeling at the time. Maybe something connected to a human "race memory." But, I was a child with no power and I had to be a good sport about everything... or ELSE! So, I adapted. But, I still hate the things.

-Joe

[grassyknoll]

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41rv%2BxpbyZL._AA240_.jpg

I was amazed when I saw the cover of this book, very powerful image. I've always felt like that about neckties... snake around my neck, choking me :eek:

Says a lot to people who are into the reptilian thing, doesn't it??

"When psychopaths go to work" - right on!!

[chandrakavi]

Snakes In Suits, Very Interesting!
David Icke Calls This A Uniform Within Another " ORGANIZEDreligion"
Although It Is Not Called A Religion.

[octopusrex]

Dog-collar.

Deffintively something to be avoided at all costs.

[i_am]

Quite funny really. When my husband worked in Real Estate, a coat and tie was standard dress. He flatly refused to wear one, causing a small revoltion in the office. he would come in to work everyday in his nice clean open necked shirt and all the other stuffed gooses would get annoyed. Eventually they all said, stuff it, if he doesn't have to wear one, neither do I. So they all removed their coat and tie :D

Loved it!

[father ted]

There's an issue I've been discussing with friends for years (who thought me quite humorous) dealing with the necktie. A correctly tied necktie is adjustable at the knot. Is it just me, or is the necktie really just a highly stylized choke collar?

That is what I think. In one of those illuminati dvd's they show a ritual where a tie is used as a dog collar ect, some other things to ponder about, the goddess as I've read somewhere? is sometimes reffered to bitch and there are dog conotations here and there in these rituals.

Notice that most of the people that wear ties are the biggest slaves to society (slaves on a leash), that is one of the reasons I never want to wear a tie.

[helloperator]

There's no doubt in my mind you're right. The tie is for sure a symbol or relic of oppression and restriction. Even the name 'tie'...like you're tied to something...you're one of us...we've got you.

Walk through the city and have a look at those people wearing ties...hands down the biggest dupes going around...and these are the people controlling the towns and cities, making the rules, making and breaking people. The business suit is a uniform, like fatigues.

[father ted]

I view suits as in business suits to be straight jakets.

[father ted]

One other thing, in most private schools you have to wear a uniform as I did, and they were always hot on the ties. That was their biggest concern, above all other things:mad::rolleyes:. Why? We used to have late 30's early 40 degree days, you just couldn't stand that shit:mad:. FUCKING PAEDOPHILES!

[octopusrex]

I think it's important to realize something here: the tie (suit and tie) IS a uniform. Just like the druidic-white robes of doctors, the army-green.. it's all codified to give humans a "place".

I have nothing against having a collar on a Rottweiler that has not been trained to be nice to people. But frankly, I prefer to have my animals without collars. For instance, my favorite pet, the rat, is best kept free, put into a high-place at night (so she won't roam around and get pregnant). Putting a rat behind bars defeats all it's purpose as an advance scout. Rat transportation is best in a separate pouch. A rat is not a pet, it's a friend. Dogs.. are more troublesome.

Perhaps the tie was an intra-species necessity for our Elder Snake Brothers, to keep us from making mistakes and such. But if we are really evolving collectively (including the elder brothers), then a friendlier relationship must emerge between all of us, like for instance, the Feathers worn by our ancestors before the emergence of the Europeans to America. That was a mark of friendship, of thankfulness... Not "ownership". The relationship of the Aztec to his Elder Serpent Brother was one of deep trust and lolayty.

Europeans needed a collar because they became "savage". Unmanagable. Their Elder Serpent Brother even had to hide his own Kundalini nature from them.

But that's another story for another post.