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bluestar

13-02-2007, 06:51 AM

The Beast

When we look out to the world today we see a thriving civilization, an admixed and tangled network of pulsating ideals, laws and codes maintaining its own survival and upholding its social infrastructure. Yet for many now, the worlds deterioration on many levels besides the more mundane social, economic and environmental regression is becoming very apparent.

Should we look a little deeper, behind civilizations face and seemingly glossy surface reality, then perhaps those who are brave enough to take a peak will see something more sinister. In ignorance of the power and potentialities of its own creations, humanity over countless generations and through its misunderstandings and negligence of energy and thought, have become their own victims. Through misuse of its free will, humanity has spawned a gross energetic and semi-intelligent entity within its subtle planes. A great beast of monstrous proportions that has fused its unholy aeonic and miscreant energies and taken up a life quality of its own. Plundering the minds and hearts of its victims it has taken reign and consumes those very beings that have birthed it.

We can see that humanity has lost control and is firmly under the spell of its own creation, this writhing conglomerate of twisted energies that subsists off certain life forces generated by humanity.

Its servants and slaves are mostly blind automatoms. Dispossessed of their soul qualities absorbed and grafted in which their little mundane and menial lives have become but the dying batteries to sustain its very existence. Its keepers, are those possessed with its unholy intelligence and adaptable cleverness, perpetuating and maintaining its existence as they work with needle and thread to keep the very rotten and tearing fabric of this unholy civilization from falling completely apart. That they have a mind is confusing, because they think it is there own and little do they understand that it is not they who are so much living their lives but something else that is living through them.

Many people have come to the realization that their can be occult possession of individual human microcosms but to few take notice or heed that whole worlds and civilizations can become possessed as well.

As we look at society today we see a great mass and sufferable horde of beings under the foul sway of a vast network of schooling, political and religious systems, hiding behind a thin veneer of admixed cultural expression and illusionary motivations with all but one disguised determination, to perpetuate the beasts unholy existence. .

Should we review societies laws, schooling and belief structures they are but impressions and indoctrinations, imprinting the weak and the vulnerable. We hear ideals and ways of living such as consumerism, capitalism and materialism used and accepted by the mass of humanity daily. Yet with but a little rationalization and effort such concepts are found uniquely insane and disturbing that a world has developed them as a way to sustain itself, when, by the very concept in its creation, only reflects a terminal and collective madness.

Our adopted religions have become just as insane. Rising fundamentalists, extremist doctrines with thoroughly confused and ignorant new age applications, all adhering to an obtuse and twisted fabric of idealism’s that only compete and clash with one another with their followers attempted application and explanation of the one true life!

Yes, if people could only see with their hearts and take an honest look at what they are becoming then they would understand what they are being drawn into and inwardly withdraw, instead of pulling eachother into the beasts hungry mouth.

This beast shows no mercy for humanities children. Their vulnerable and impressionable minds are easy targets as it indoctrinates them and infuses their hearts. Their very parents and social peers induct them into their collective madness as the beast takes them and estranges them from any inner remembrance of true life so that they know no other purpose then its own.

There are a growing number who are awakening today are gazing into this world in horror and disgust at what it has become.

And though, we ourselves in writing this piece have bought your attention to this, it is perhaps wise to emphasize that focusing ones attention upon the darkness of this world only feeds its existence. For there are immanent dangers in defining and giving this unholy creation of humanity attributes and form. This only serves to further estrange it from ourselves, lest we give it greater power and substance than it has already taken.

Many in despair may ask how do we fight such a creature that plunders our very mind and hearts, who’s sight stares ravenously through own eyes and who’s roar is ushered from our very mouths.

Here we must say that to war with it personally or collectively is only to war upon our very selves, which is futile. This only estranges us further from that which is real and further disassociates aspects of the collective, enhancing humanities illusions of separateness and increasing its collective madness.

Yet there is an answer and for that we must turn within. In this time of earthly madness and despair there is a call of divine love that is awakening in the hearts of many, inspiring those who’s heart are open to seek new life as a whisper of true hope and salvation. Those who are hearing its divine cadences are turning away from this world and are becoming seekers of divine reality. These seekers of truth are beginning to see clearly the great mess and horror of what their little lives have truly become and realizing that their personal efforts to save this dying world is the very source of its misery and unholy perpetuation. They are starting to know there is a power that is greater then them and in this lies their only true means of truly saving themselves. It is the field of divine love, for only within its protective radiance are they truly safe from the evil and madness of this world. Only under its light are we given the illumination and sight to see through the darkness that has engulfed this world and thereby offer a true service to humanity.

For only its power can vanquish the miscreant forms and evil that humanity has created over successive generations.

Today there is a rallying call to all those true souls who hear the voice of Christ within their hearts to enter this field to prepare for the great influx of divine light and love that shall very soon enter this world and destroy this great evil of the ages.

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bluestar

14-02-2007, 01:27 AM

EVIL

Q. Having understood the terrible, yet mostly hidden, inimical state of this world, I have come to understand also how the mass of human beings are utterly enslaved by surreptitious forces of evil.

A. To state that "human beings are enslaved" is really an understatement. At least a slave sees his chains and knows that he has lost his freedom. Humanity, however, in its blinded and ignorant condition, does not even know this much.For example, many people believe that they are free merely because they have attained financial wealth. However, with the rise of occult information in these end times more people are becoming aware. Yet due to the shocking nature of the truth of this world many still refuse to consider or believe. The first choice of evil is to remain concealed wherever it can, and so human ignorance and denial is one of its greatest allies.

Q. For years I have been struggling with evil. I have been foolish enough to become the disciple of numerous false/evil teachers, posing as holy masters. Throughout that experience I have learned. Today, I am able to see evil for what it is and in my now seasoned percipience I am able and willing to give them back what they deserve! I have one question, however: how exactly to deal out justice to these brothers of shadow in the right way?

A. It is not your responsibility to 'deal out justice' to anyone, especially sorcerers!

By engaging with evil it enters our auric field and consciousness as new problems are created. This is why Jesus warned us to "resist not evil". Retaliation just causes more problems. Billions of 'righteous' souls have been detained in the world of suffering in this way, for in taking up arms against evil, they demonstrate that they are in need of further lessons from evil, and that education they must be given by Law, in the world of pain and darkness.

It is your responsibility only to transcend, via the purification of heart, your own auric defilements and karmic entanglements. This is the only way that Lucifer can be helped and ultimately transmuted. Remember always that defilements only exist in your personality-surface bodies: the aura; they cannot touch the divine spark that you truly are.

Now, there are certainly many servants of evil - conscious and unconscious - who are incarnating or walking in today to execute their nefarious agendas. Armageddon is indeed on, but did you know that any true divine work has nothing at all to do with the battle?

Having thoroughly comprehended the nature of evil, we do not prefer to focus on it at all. It is better to look only at the Solution, for what we focus upon grows. However, since you have an interest in the manifests of evil, we may assist you in rising above their influence if you are keen. Yet in order to understand evil, we must be looking down, as it were, from above the tapestry of the universe of death, that is, from beyond the self. If we attempt to understand what is divine by using only the undivine faculties of the ego-self (like intellect and the other fallen senses), then in only standing beneath the tapestry, all we will see is a tangled mass of badly woven threads of various shades, and we shall become confused.

My general advice with regard to evil is: If you have experienced and understood its bitter rewards, then leave it alone and look up in the direction you wish to go.

albie

28-02-2007, 01:53 PM

If you are talking about the beast from revelations then you are talking about the enemy of the christian church. Propoganda.

I'm not christian, I've had sex out of marriage. I drink to excess. I've used drugs. I don't give to charity.

I spread doubt about the church.

I am the beast.

So are you.

In their eyes.

bluestar

01-03-2007, 03:28 AM

i am all i am

01-03-2007, 04:44 AM

tru3

01-03-2007, 06:10 AM

No-one and nothing can do anything for anyone else. You can only do (a physical action) for yourself (your physical body). Therefore 'Truth' cannot do anything for you. If you have a stain in your 'human conciousness', it is your stain and your choice to remove it or not. Relying upon 'Truth" to do something for you cannot work.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

i invite you to read the following post:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11419&postcount=38

i'll summarize: 1) imv, the collective mind has been contaminated, almost beyond repair. 2) the cellular structure of the brain is mostly lipids and lipid proteins, which absorb toxins like sponges. 3) the collective mind was cultivated and cultured (like a pearl?) from at least in the womb.

it has long been my feeling that we're not just living in a world of strict polarity, there is also a triune aspect. my efforts have been in exploring the connection of the body and pure Consciousness; if you had to give it a "location" in the body, it would be on the right side of the chest. rather, it is a focus of energy, a distributed network, which seems to always seek peace, connection, communication, laughter and joy. that's been my experience. anyway, it's essentially double-teaming the mind with spirit and body as a single expression of love.

if you've never done the ha! breath, faking laughter until you really let go, it's quite an experience. it's a lot of fun with 4 or 5 people. i've been in tears, rolling on the floor, at the absurdity of the human condition, at least this example of it. :)

bluestar

01-03-2007, 08:32 AM

Iam,

It is human action in all its futility and denial of divine reality that has bought the planet into its current state. Truth in fact is not a word but a vibration that can touch a responsive heart. In fact, "of ourselves" we can truly do nothing!

True surrender to christ these days is imperrative, it is divine love that shall remove the stain of untruth that blinds the collective.

Yes, we have a choice and that is to truly awaken, to let Love in ,rather then wasting time and confusing ourselves and others with false idealism and dramatic fantasies!

Seek the kingdom.

bluestar

01-03-2007, 08:42 AM

albie

01-03-2007, 10:41 AM

Hey Albie,

The church has little to do with true spirituality Albie and is in truth a major factor of the beasts propogation. Rather then spreading doubt which will only help facilitate the lucerferian agenda by playing into its hands- perhaps it would be pertinent to seek and share truth with those who seek to awaken and assist eachother. Spreading doubt is just another form of propaganda and is a form of lying, serving no purpose but to further confuse the collective. Trust in truth to remove the stain in human consciousness! Seek divine love for true deliverance.

Indeed. I believe doubt to be the true faith. I don't believe that the truth is floating in the air ready to be picked up by anyone who seeks to find it. Well certainly not a direct and clear image of truth.

I think if there is a god that he would cherish our atheism/agnosticism over any garbled version of "truth".

Intellect surely wins out over faith.

Doubt is truth.

tru3

01-03-2007, 03:26 PM

tru3,

Yes, you are quite right that we are held not just within a dualistic field but truly in an undivine trinity!

This is "the father" aspect of the unholy trinity! Or what is known as the asura. While the satanic and lucerferic energies hold humanity in thrall, yet little is understood about the asura. Asura beings are those beings who in their inverted state are directly in opposition to divine will. They represent a completely different spectrum of horror that humanity has recently opened the portal to and represents the "greater beast" that today is climbing out of the pit.

a clarification: it is my belief, after years of investigation, that reality is purely subjective. any 'evil' is simply the subject projecting it's unconscious guilt out onto the "world". to me, evil is more like willful ignorance of truth. those trapped in the experience of 'evil' have simply forgotten the truth. any attempt to fight it or conquer it either leads to deeper entanglement, or a more subtle kind of ignorance: pride. that's what the i. suffer from, imv. they deserve our compassion, not our wrath. one other observation: while there is a triune aspect to human experience, with respect to good and evil, it's been my observation that there is simply a spectrum of experience and behavior, rather than a rigid polarity of good and bad. there is not cold and hot, there is colder and hotter, ranging from absolute zero to the inside of the sun. absolute zero is a null state, not a value. what is real is always real and present, what is false never was. evil is an illusion. there is only ignorance of truth. i see the goal of "purification" as the dropping of illusion. truth doesn't need my help. it is absolute. only Love is real.

i am not familiar with asura; what i'm referring to has been around since there were humans, just simply amplified over time due to persistence and ubiquity. could you please expand?

another question: since 'ye shall know them by their fruits', how do you see this 'beast' manifesting in our world? i'm always looking to expand awareness and understand more deeply.

albie

01-03-2007, 05:22 PM

Why is love the only real thing?

Surely that's an illusion too.

albie

01-03-2007, 05:26 PM

And awareness must be real.Otherwise love would be pointless.

are you saying that the only true thing is a mind that can do nothing but think and feel "love"?

albie

01-03-2007, 05:32 PM

Surely not. Otherwise we wouldn't be here pooing and eating pooing and eating...

Decay, corruption must have come from somewhere.

Surely for that perfect state of love to become this nightmare it would have had to have sabotaged itself.

Or be sabotaged from an outside source.

If it sabotaged itself that means that love is evil somehow. Destructive. The truth attacking itself.

I think doubt is true and real, and that is why we are here, watching rubbish TV and pooing and eating, pooing and eating.

Love doubts its own infiniteness.

So it created this world of the finite. Of death. Curtness.

It fights between the illogicalness of the infinite and the illogicalness of a reality born from nothing.

So it swings between both sides. We will find the infinite again, and lose it to come back here to the finite.

Death.

tru3

01-03-2007, 09:15 PM

dear albie,

great questions! i certainly have no answers for you, only observations and personal insights. if you can live with that, here goes:

Why is love the only real thing?

Surely that's an illusion too.

what is love? that's an important question. my definition would be, "love is. love is fascinated and delighted with whatever is going on in the moment."

And awareness must be real.Otherwise love would be pointless.

are you saying that the only true thing is a mind that can do nothing but think and feel "love"?

exactly. perfect love is perfect awareness. of course the mind does something. it thinks. it cannot feel anything. let the mind worry about itself! are you your mind? if so, can you locate it in your brain? where exactly is this mind? even the national institute of mental health said years ago, "we can't tell where the body ends and the mind begins."

ime, there is only Conscious awareness; it's here and now, the most ordinary thing in the world. it-- we-- are eternal, deathless, permanent.

Surely not. Otherwise we wouldn't be here pooing and eating pooing and eating...

Decay, corruption must have come from somewhere.

did you know that in vajrayana buddhism, they actually eat poo? supposedly, it is transmuted into ambrosia, or something like that. is the molecular structure of poo being altered? i doubt it. what's being transumted is the perception of poo tasting like shit! or, more accurately that the taste of poo is bad (they also drink poison and transmute it, or die-- pretty radical if ya ask me) :)

a wise person once said, "it really doesn't matter what you think about me; it does matter what i think about you". the only thing i can fundamentally change are my attitudes, beliefs, reactions or perceptions. i can't change you, period. i could give you numerous personal examples here, but i want to address another point:

Surely for that perfect state of love to become this nightmare it would have had to have sabotaged itself.

Or be sabotaged from an outside source.

If it sabotaged itself that means that love is evil somehow. Destructive. The truth attacking itself.

i agree 100 percent. it was sabotaged by entities who have abandoned love, or "god" if you prefer. it's my personal belief we're all somehow implicated in the lucifer experiment (notice i did not say rebellion); we kind of went along with the "lie", kind of like kids who go along with a high school prank and then get caught. that's why we're here; not to straighten out the whole mess (that's the job of Grace), but to understand why we made the decision we did. again, just my opinion.

Love doubts its own infiniteness.

So it created this world of the finite. Of death. Curtness.

It fights between the illogicalness of the infinite and the illogicalness of a reality born from nothing.

So it swings between both sides. We will find the infinite again, and lose it to come back here to the finite.

Death.

many people are looking for hope these days. faith is in short supply, perhaps? either i have faith, or i don't. i have faith that whatever is real, is permanent; whatever is illusion, never existed. how can anything oppose the Infinite?

some believe that wherever someone's consciousness is at the moment of death, that's where they go after death. if i live and die in rage, i will go to a similar level. if i live and die in forgiveness, that's what i will experience.

we are the ones who create our own hell, not god. that would be an insane god; probably something like icke's "god program".

so it appears to me.

bluestar

02-03-2007, 01:54 AM

Hey albie,

Yes you are right in the sense that human love cannot liberate anyone and in itself, human emotional love is a product of fear. Humans have so distorted the teachings of liberation that they have reduced them into its current perversion and twisted parody.
What is termed divine love in the esoteric sense is christ- which a holy field and living intelligence. A radiation field that permeates through fallen existance yet remains apart. It is this field that we can come into sypathetic resonance with and eventually enter by going "the Way". This is an extremely poor expression and attempt to explain that which can only be experienced.
The example of jesus's life is but the outer example of a truly inner teaching- that of divine salvation.
Yes-religious zealotry is rife these days and I think any atheist, in fact any intelligent being see's through the rubbish and lies spawned from mainstream religion today. Yet atheism, especially close minded materialists are a cult just the same. It is still a sense of identification.
Though who can not deny- a sincere,seeking atheist is usually far more attuned to truth then those dogmatic religious beings. Yet it is usually their cold rationality and tendancy to reduce everything to low materialism that keeps them unresponsive to divine truth and reality. For which an open heart is truly needed, Divinity cannot be grasped by the intellect!

bluestar

02-03-2007, 02:01 AM

Hey albie,

perhaps this might give greater clarification.

Human Love / Divine Love
An article from: Rare Insights
"Tao does not love as humans do; it sees all things as straw dogs.
The sage does not love as humans do; he sees people as straw dogs."

Tao Te Ching

WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE EVERYTHING APPEARS TO BE SEPARATE. We perceive with our five mundane senses and mind, and we see what is 'out there', thus viewing life from a perspective that reinforces our idea that we are separate from everything and that everything is separate from us. But in truth, the separate nature of our existence is delusional because everything in the universe is interconnected and interdependent.

The illusion of separation has firmly established itself as a paradigm on Earth, and today dominates the consciousness of nearly 6 billion human beings. From our segregated perspective as individuals we also behold separation reflected back to us in the form of multifarious pairs of opposites that also appear to be separate from one another, e.g., good and evil, right and wrong, friend and foe, etc.

As we continue to invest ourselves and to believe in this illusory state of duality, we serve to fortify and so perpetuate the matrix of separation into which we have been born. And as long as we continue to feed the dualistic matrix we can never transcend it, which is actually the spiritual goal of life.

No amount of activity applied by the separate personality can help to liberate mankind or this planet from the dualistic illusion. Humanity, as a collective of unenlightened personalities, may only affect change within the constraints of the unholy world-order into which we have incarnated. The undivine world in which we exist is a dualistic illusion that is ruled by polarity, and the only thing we may ever change or affect by way of personal effort is the swing of the pendulum between one pole of duality and the other. Let us explore this in greater detail.

When we use our personal will - our free will - to embrace one aspect or side of an issue, we expend energy through the generation of our dualistic thoughts and emotions. The ego, by virtue of its inherently separative nature, constantly grasps at or repels that which is outside itself, and as it does so it generates energetic fetters of mental and emotional matter. It is thus that ignorance reinforces the illusory nature of its existence by binding itself to duality. Energy follows thought, thus a certain aspect of duality will be strengthened by one's attraction to it while another may also be strengthened by one's resistance to it. Therefore, such an energetic investment - which to unenlightened perception may seem only to empower the one pole or side of an issue - in fact serves to strengthen both poles, thereby empowering either end of the spectrum and effectively exacerbating one's entanglement in, as well as strengthening the very fabric of, the illusion of duality.

To the deluded eyes of those who are wholly invested in and so co-creating within the undivine, dualistic world, things may appear to be changing, and sometimes even improving, but such people are actually only riding a predicamental merry-go-round; they are merely experiencing the inevitable and fruitless vacillations of their bondage to the Buddha's wheel of samsara, the world of illusions.

Billions of human beings spend their whole life like this, creating more and more karma by attaching themselves to one pole or the other in a dualistic illusion, thus ensuring their continued existence, over lifetimes, in an unholy world of restlessness, suffering, pain and inevitable death.

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Despite humanity's long-prevailing ignorance of these facts, all true scriptures have repeatedly testified to the futility of seeking true Fulfilment, Love and Life where they can never be found: in duality, in an illusion. Yet still today the restless search for love and happiness continues throughout the world.

"But," says Lao Tzu, "Tao does not love as humans do; it sees all things as straw dogs. The sage does not love as humans do; he sees people as straw dogs." - Tao Te Ching.

These words spoken by the enlightened sage, Lao Tzu, may come as rather a shock to many people. If these words are true, they are likely to overturn one's whole way of viewing life and the world, and that is indeed the aim of that ancient Chinese revelation we know as the Tao Te Ching. When we understand what Lao Tzu really meant to convey, many of our preconceptions will be shot to pieces, for it tears apart the whole paradigm with which humankind has surrounded itself and which has been handed down from generation to generation since time immemorial.

In the Tao Te Ching it is said that beauty always brings forth ugliness. The presence of the polarity of ugliness is the proof that beauty in this undivine world is also an illusion, and that true Beauty - which is imperishable and incorruptible and which has no opposite - is not to be found here. In the world of opposites, beauty brings ugliness to the surface, good brings forth evil, and love brings forth hatred. Hatred is the proof that love is an unknown quantity whose reality is not to be found in this world. Our conceptions of it are an illusion. Worldly expressions of love are actually attempts of the ego to glorify its own undivine state of being. That is why they arouse antitheses.

As long as human love is evoked in a world of opposites, hatred will be its twin brother. There is no avoiding it! Anyone who cultivates personal love is also cultivating hatred; that is a law of any dualistic world. Hatred is a means of self-protection in this fearful world, as essential and as ego-centred as human love.

The scales of love and hatred are constantly in motion and can never be brought to a standstill in duality. One moment we are amiability itself, the next the scales tip the other way. Observe mankind, and you will see this oscillation happening all the time; it is an amazing but inescapable aspect of human nature. What poor fools we are, consumed by love and hatred, swinging like a pendulum between the pairs of opposites in duality. Alternating one with the other, our love and our hatred in their many forms constantly add fuel to the flames of our dualistic delusion. Is it not quite clear, then, why Tao does not partake in any of this?

We cannot imagine a hatred-propagating Tao but, by the same token, neither should we imagine a love-propagating Tao either. Tao Loves us, but not in keeping with our secular interpretation of the word. Tao does not love as humans do, and It sees all such perceptions as 'straw dogs', which in ancient China were used for sacrifices. In the same way, neither does the sage who participates in Tao love as humans do; he, too, sees the people as straw dogs, as humanimals, part of the great illusion.

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So what does the Bible really mean when it says that "God is Love"? Well, if we wish to understand anything at all about Love, we will need to free ourselves entirely of all our preconceptions about it. We must shatter them, just as we must shatter all the other preconceptions that populate our pantheon of ignorant beliefs and opinions.

Let us, then, firstly take a modern-day example of how divine Love is so terribly misunderstood. There are many well-meaning New Age groups and centres in existence today where people sit and attempt to send out loving thoughts and energies in order to elevate humankind, to protect it from harm, to put an end to wars, to ring in an era of peace on Earth, and even to circumvent the forthcoming and necessary geological upheavals. But in reality, human love has never liberated the world, and nor can it ever. These centres and groups do not bring about peace on Earth, they do not quench the fires of ignorance, they can never heal the wounds of humanity. To the contrary, and when understood esoterically, they are actually among the breeding grounds of war, indirectly arousing and propagating hatred by feeding and so fortifying the antitheses of 'good' and evil. Therefore, they actually strengthen the powers of darkness by their unenlightened motivations, which are actualised by personal will, not divine Will. Such activities are akin to black magic, as unenlightened personalities seek, often with noble intentions, to interfere with the affairs of others and the world. Such desires create karma and further confusion, for unenlightened human beings are unable to create and send Love into the world; only Divinity, only Tao can do that! And remember that "Tao does not love as humans do".

Therefore, if we truly wish to be an agent of Love in this world, we must first bring ourselves into a binding with Tao, which has nothing to do with this world of temporality and illusion. This is the one, solitary and overriding Goal of every single unenlightened human being on Earth, and this is why no enlightened Teacher ever prescribes to ordinary humanity the kind of practices that are being performed all over the world today within the New Age culture.

The vast majority of New Age teachings, channellings and meditations encourage people to use their personal will to create change within and for themselves, and sometimes in order to help manifest positive change in the world also. Their focus is on personal transformation, as in: "create your own reality". But by encouraging people to focus upon themselves and the dualistic world, and to use their personal will to implement their high ideals, they only serve to feed the illusion of duality, along with the rest of the spiritually-unawakened masses.

In fact, these so called New Age teachers, channelers, channelled entities and groups are actually participating in something even more detrimental than those who are occultly unaware. By inciting people to polarize themselves en masse towards 'peace, goodness, light and love', these well-intentioned but misguided groups are actually synergetically strengthening and empowering the opposite end of the spectrum, i.e., violence, evil, darkness, hatred, etc. on a global level, thereby unwittingly exacerbating the already chaotic and desperate condition of this planet.

Such groups are causing the pendulum of the polarized illusion to swing further and more dramatically from one side to the other, effectively producing more and more dualistic power, momentum and tension in the world, all of which is actually helping to hasten our planet toward cataclysmic developments.

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Now that we have clearly seen how personal love has nothing whatsoever in common with divine Love, let us further explore the scriptural axiom that 'God is Love' by again reviewing Lao Tzu's words:

"Tao is like a bellows. It is empty and never exhausted. The more it moves, the more is brought into manifestation." - Tao Te Ching.

The divine Manifestation is governed by a certain rhythm, which is present even in the minutest atom. This state of being knows no antitheses, it casts no shadows, and always brings forth itself. Good is not set against evil there, nor beauty against ugliness, nor love against hatred, nor reality against delusion. Tao does not have love, it does not even give love to others - Tao is Love! In other words, divine Love is not something that can be targeted at a goal, as the New Age people attempt to do in order to dignify or save themselves and to preserve this world of separation and pain. Love does not make any effort, it does not seek to counteract the effects of evil in duality, and so it does not know conflict. Divine Love is not the opposite of hatred or fear, either. If divine Love had an opposite, then it would not be divine, eternal; it would be dualistic. Divine Love is a neutral Force; its power is boundless, and can be compared with a bellows. If a bellows is pumped rhythmically it generates a great deal of power. In the same way, the rhythm of Tao generates an enormous Power and nothing that conflicts with that rhythm, nothing of duality, can ever become one with it.

Knowing all this, we will understand better than ever before why this undivine, dualistic world will remain fundamentally imperfect and essentially irreparable, however much personal love - via group meditations and the like - is sent out into it! Knowing all this we will resolve to waste as little energy as possible on such futile and often detrimental activities as so many people are involved with today within the New Age movement. We will leave the fallen world of duality for what it is. In complete self-surrender and genuine, selfless service to the Divine Plan, we shall focus only on that which is capable of assimilating the divine rhythm of Tao and which is of the same nature, the Divine Nature.

It is only through the complete surrender of our personal will, only through the relinquishing of all our attachments that bind us karmically to the wheel of samsara, that we may become clear, unimpeded vehicles for the divine Intelligence of Tao, which alone has the Power to affect really positive change in this world. Only when we give up our self-grasping, egotistic ideals and forget our small selves may we become empty enough to allow Divinity to enter into our hearts and to awaken the spark that lives within us so that we may become instruments of Tao.

It is our selfishness, our ignorant use of free will that brought us collectively into our present state of existence. Therefore it is only by a 180° reversal, through selflessness, through the complete and utter surrender of ourselves and our personal will to the divine Will of Tao, that we may allow the forces of true Change, the forces of Redemption, to work through us and liberate us completely from the unholy illusion of this world, which necessarily knows so much dualistic restlessness and, therefore, suffering.

bluestar

02-03-2007, 02:07 AM

tru3,

perhaps I could refer you to the piece babel which I think is in the political manipulation section. Or I think that you can click on past files that I have sent.

The asura are those beings who have reached through wrongful consciousness abstraction in the occult. These beings have inverted their life field and , yes, work in conscious opposition to divine will. I feel that I am to write a piece on the aspects of the unholy trinity that keeps man in thrall. Will share it with you when it is done. The asura has completely inverted their chakras and exist in what is known as the black fire. It is said that hitler was possessed by an asuric spirit.

bluestar

02-03-2007, 02:13 AM

The piece Babel in in the NWO section.

tru3

02-03-2007, 04:56 AM

"Tao does not love as humans do; it sees all things as straw dogs.
The sage does not love as humans do; he sees people as straw dogs."

wow, star,

that is a LOT to take in at one sitting. are you taking "focus factor" or something like that? lol :)

i got to know a gentleman who was involved in the human potential movement back in the 60's. to make a long story short, he was a colleague of werner erhardt (est), zig ziglar, and about 5 or 6 other people who went on to do a lot of experiential work.

over 35 years, he saw tens of thousand of people come through his and others' seminars, each with their own pain, their own hopes and dreams.

he said to me one day, "you know, when it comes down to it, there are only about 22 stories." i would say even fewer.

here's something from the author of the enneagram of liberation:

"The great gift of the Enneagram, is that it describes who you are not. It shows the veiling of true consciousness by habits of egoic identification. When these habits of mind are revealed, there is a clear choice to end the false identification and realize your true nature.

It was through the reflection of the Enneagram that I was forced to confront myself. I had to face what I did not want to see. This exposure of my sell-out for egoic pleasure was the killing field that prepared me for meeting with a true teacher. When there is a willingness to confront the basic lies that go into the creation of the ego, the Enneagram is a wisdom mirror pointing to that which the mind tries to avoid seeing."

i, too, resisted the enneagram for a long time; i didn't want to be pigeonholed, codified, classified; i am "special", unique, right? right? well, no not really. once i had some understanding of what he was really saying, it actually took a lot of pressure off. i began to relax, seeing my "story" as just another plot line among billions, really nothing special at all. my story began to actually BORE me. i began to let go of cherished grudges against my father, "the man", the world. i began to have fun in my life, to literally "lighten" up!!

i spent a brief time in network marketing (don't EVEN ask me to go there :o ), where i learned an interesting fact: in the u.s. about 4% of the people make about 90% of the money.

i recently spent some time researching ebay; the global marketplace of the new millenium, a supposedly level playing field. guess what: about 3 % of the people make 87% of the money on ebay!

do you think maybe there's a pattern here?

the sad truth is most people are placeholders, performing a function they assumed would bring them happiness and peace. the sadder irony in all our struggle to be special is that at the level of personality, none of us are, nor will we ever really be. even breakthrough genius is simply Spirit pouring through the bodymind. the saddest irony is that when a father looks into his newborn son's eyes, and is filled with familial love and hopes and dreams for his progeny, the chances are all that will simply turn to dust. through nobody's fault, really. shit happens.

so perhaps the most loving thing the sage can do is gently bring that straw dog to heel. ;)

albie

02-03-2007, 12:14 PM

agree 100 percent. it was sabotaged by entities who have abandoned love, or "god" if you prefer. it's my personal belief we're all somehow implicated in the lucifer experiment (notice i did not say rebellion); we kind of went along with the "lie", kind of like kids who go along with a high school prank and then get caught. that's why we're here; not to straighten out the whole mess (that's the job of Grace), but to understand why we made the decision we did. again, just my opinion.

But where could they have come from? If they were once part of infinite love then how could they ever have fallen? I don't see why, unless it was doubt over infinity. But then why didn't all of love fall? Surely if we are one then what one part does they all do?

Being one means we are exactly alike and with the same wisdom. Hence with the same possible doubt. And the same chance of falling.

So all of love fell if we fell. Or if Lucifer fell, so did all of God.

albie

02-03-2007, 12:16 PM

what is love? that's an important question. my definition would be, "love is. love is fascinated and delighted with whatever is going on in the moment."

But there wouldn't be anything going on. Just love love love. No need to think.

tru3

03-03-2007, 02:37 AM

But there wouldn't be anything going on. Just love love love. No need to think.

our perfection is held complete, in the very being of the infinite. the infinite creates; it can only create with what it has on hand: perfection. we are just having a bad dream. those that wish to linger in the dream, have that choice, like sleeping in when they could be taking their lab class lol.

bluestar: i realized that asuras were described in the vedic texts. just for my greater understanding, is this your background?

albie

03-03-2007, 12:10 PM

Why would perfection have a bad dream? It can't be perfection is the answer.

No such thing as infinite love or perfection. You can get close though.

tru3

03-03-2007, 03:10 PM

Why would perfection have a bad dream? It can't be perfection is the answer.

No such thing as infinite love or perfection. You can get close though.

bottom line: if that's that you believe, that's what you will receive. "reality" is purely subjective anyway, imv.

The beast in me
Is caged by frail and fragile bars
Restless by day
And by night rants and rages at the stars
God help the beast in me

The beast in me
Has had to learn to live with pain
And how to shelter from the rain
And in the twinkling of an eye
Might have to be restrained
God help the beast in me

Sometimes it tries to kid me
That it's just a teddy bear
And even somehow manage to vanish in the air
And that is when I must beware
Of the beast in me that everybody knows
They've seen him out dressed in my clothes
Patently unclear if it's New York or New Year
God help the beast in me

-nick lowe

why it should be so sometimes remains a mystery to me.

cmdr_sabbathius

03-03-2007, 09:08 PM

I don't know about this thread, but personally, I know I just gotta be evil cause I'm drinking milwaukee's best (AKA the BEAST) and listening to Led Zeppelin who were influenced by Aleister Crowley (AKA the BEAST). hahaha

albie

05-03-2007, 02:28 PM

bottom line: if that's that you believe, that's what you will receive. "reality" is purely subjective anyway, imv. The beast in me
Is caged by frail and fragile bars
Restless by day
And by night rants and rages at the stars
God help the beast in me

The beast in me
Has had to learn to live with pain
And how to shelter from the rain
And in the twinkling of an eye
Might have to be restrained
God help the beast in me

Sometimes it tries to kid me
That it's just a teddy bear
And even somehow manage to vanish in the air
And that is when I must beware
Of the beast in me that everybody knows
They've seen him out dressed in my clothes
Patently unclear if it's New York or New Year
God help the beast in me

-nick lowe

why it should be so sometimes remains a mystery to me.

I think your logic is wrong on this though. I think my view answers why we are here. Can you come up with a reason why perfection is still perfection even though it has nightmares such as this world?

Logical reasoning is not creating my world.

If it is then I live in a logical world rather than a world that contradicts itself.

Who is nearer the truth?:cool:

And by logical I don't mean a world without miracle.

It's not logical that infinite perfection would fall. It's logical that imperfection would fall.

tru3

05-03-2007, 09:10 PM

I think your logic is wrong on this though. I think my view answers why we are here. Can you come up with a reason why perfection is still perfection even though it has nightmares such as this world?

hey,

i agree. our views do answer why we are here. this world is a nightmare, too, a dream within a dream. when i'm ready to wake up, i will. apparently, i'm sitting here, in front of my screen, typing these words either because i am in denial about the nature of this, or i have "unfinished business". the world to me is my mirror, indicating that i am still asleep. if i was awake, the whole universe would vanish. that works for me. it's up to every one ask their own questions and investigate their own answers.

my question is, "who is it that sees the screen?"

Logical reasoning is not creating my world.

nor mine. what confused me for a long time was my own unconscious process of projecting my version of "logic" onto "god". how could a sane "god" create this mess?

i have come to the conclusion that "he" didn't. we did.

If it is then I live in a logical world rather than a world that contradicts itself.

unfortunately, it seems due to the nature of quantum physics, there is always ambiguity. people hunger for certainty in this world. imv, there is none. to me, life is always a "both/and" propositon rather than an "either/or"

Who is nearer the truth?

:confused: i pretty much end every post i make with "so it appears to me". i'm certainly not an ascended master-- if i was, we wouldn't be having this dialogue.

And by logical I don't mean a world without miracle.

agreed.

It's not logical that infinite perfection would fall. It's logical that imperfection would fall.

impeccably put. so who is having this dialogue, then?

bluestar

06-03-2007, 01:08 AM

This piece came from another list recently and as it is in line with what is being spoken here-thought I would post it

from Journey into the World of Metaphysics by Chiappalone

Remember, all of creation is experimentation, is an experiment, and of course as experiments go wrong there are corrections and restarts.

In this particular sector, in the universe we are at now, a particular error occurred at one level of the hierarchy. And you will find it, for example, referred to in the Nag Hammadi texts as the Celestial error of the Pistis Sophia.

Now what happened with this error is this, and you must remember now that we are discussing things of an essence, of an energy and really we are anthropomorphisizing concepts into our own words to try and understand them:

A diverse polarity was created, at the level of hierarchy, and this polarity, this change, went against the polarity of the essence which created it.

In other words, it became opposite and that manifested in terms of what we can understand as an evil energy.

It went against the "Mother" energy that created it.

The adverse polarity became evil.

It became self-aggrandizing.

It became destructive.

It became exploitative.

These are all adjectives we're using in our own sense to try and understand it.

It went against all the rest of the creative energy, the creative force. And this is how evil evolved at that particular level.

At first energy from the Mother essence was poured in to try and change this error. But what was happening was that as the Mother was pouring in energy into this error, that energy was being incorporated. And instead of correcting the error it was making the error bigger. And it went on and on and on.

And as more energy was poured into this error the bigger it became, until it was realized that it could not be corrected by direct energy transfer. In actual fact it had to be totally destroyed, and a way had to be found for it to be destroyed.

Now what this means in our own terms is this: This evil essence is a mind, it is a consciousness and it immediately encapsulated the dimension that it had, and closed itself off from outside influences from the hierarchy. They could not penetrate it, and as far as we are concerned, what happened is that the more it removed itself from the Divine essence the more it solidified.

And so matter came into being. The energy solidified more and more.

Once this consciousness encapsulated the dimension it had, it also trapped the Divine consciousnesses that had been sent here into this dimension in the first place. And what we have is the expression that beings of Light were trapped in matter. Even Edgar Cayce said "The human soul has been trapped in these physical bodies."

A number of things happened when this polarity came into being and it went contrary to the Divine polarity. A CELESTIAL WAR occurred, because there was a constant fight between the Divine polarity and this negative polarity which had encapsulated itself.

So it built resistances to try and prevent correction. But of course it was only a matter of time, because nothing could resist the superior consciousness of the Divine which is the God consciousness.

In the meantime the evil essence did a number of things, apart from encapsulating itself and closing off the dimension which includes this universe. It made changes in order to self-perpetuate. Its basic aim was to extract the Divine energy from the beings that were trapped in the system in order for it to continue.

So all the systems it created in the material universe have been geared directly to exploiting the energy from the Divine beings it traps within its system.

Not only did it do that, but the consciousness of the demigod invaded other dimensions when it suited it, in order to extract energy.

There has been a celestial war between these two polarities since this error occurred, in a very small portion of creation. But it affects us, because this planet, this universe are in the trapped dimension. So we are in the midst of the celestial war that has been going on for a long, long time.

bluestar

06-03-2007, 04:04 AM

You asked- another question: since 'ye shall know them by their fruits', how do you see this 'beast' manifesting in our world? i'm always looking to expand awareness and understand more deeply.

The weilding of such energies (black fire) results in absolute cruelty,premeditated and twisted intelligent evil to satiate pure lust. The asura seems to be certain beings who through wrong consciousness abstraction and alignment implode in ultimate denial of truth. They are so called "high occult beings" who merge into the titanic auric being, through extending and subverting their perosnalities into the"the undivine fire". They eventually collapse inwardly, twisting their aura and collapse their chakras into vortexes that resemble mini blackholes. Humanity in its self-seeking and trying to ascend through their fallen consiousness have opened the bottomless pit- so to speak to release those energies that until now have been sealed "well below".

seamus

06-03-2007, 07:02 AM

tru3

06-03-2007, 07:29 AM

:) You asked- another question: since 'ye shall know them by their fruits', how do you see this 'beast' manifesting in our world? i'm always looking to expand awareness and understand more deeply.

i'm not sure who you addressed the question to, but i'm going to step in into the breach.

it's funny you should ask that question; it's really been on my mind as of late. i want to thank you, bluestar, for bringing this information to the forum. it's jarred something loose in me that has really allowed me to relax and allow the hidden to emerge.

when you begin to talk about the asura, i knew i had heard that term. when you shared what you were aware of, it caused another association to emerge.

grab a cup of coffee, folks.

please take a look at the following link:

http://www.khandro.net/dakini_queen.htm

i remembered seeing this several years ago, especially the poem. it moved me deeply:

To the hungry I was heaps of food and all good things, and thus I brought them joy.

To the cold and freezing I was fire and sun-warmth, thus their joy.

To the poor and needy I was wealth and riches, thus their joy.

To the naked I was every kind of raiment, thus their joy.

To the childless I was sons and daughters, thus their joy.

To those who wandered in the bardo state, I was their yidam, bringing them to joy.

I cooled the burning heat and warmed the cold of those lost in the realms of hell.

Howsoever they were tortured, I changed myself to shield them, being thus their joy.

To those who lingered in the land of hungry ghosts, I was their food and drink and thus their joy.

I was freedom from stupidity and servitude for those caught in the wordless state of beasts--and thus I brought them joy.

Those beings born in savage lands -- I turned them from barbarity and brought them joy.

I was a truce from war and strife for the asuras and was thus their joy.

The gods I guarded from their bitter fall and I was thus their joy.

I shielded all from everything that tortured them and was their every joy.

Wherever there is space, five elements pervade,
Wherever the five elements, the homes of living beings,
Wherever living beings, karma and defilements,
Wherever is defilement, my compassion also.
Wherever is the need of beings, there I am to help them.

And thus I remained for twenty years in the great cavern of Lhodrak Kharchu, sometimes visible, sometimes invisible."

this was supposedly written by the incarnation of the white tara, the supreme dakini. here is a picture of the white tara.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/423/wtara2ca2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

now, dakini are kindred spirits to the asura, from what i understand. they are what the asura would be had they not denied the divine. they are beings of compassion created out of divine love to serve all sentient being; they are if you will, genies that grant our every wish, and mirror back to us our deepest desires, and our deepest nightmares, in love and service, to help us tear free from the bonds of illusion and suffering.

if you care to follow some of the links on this page, you will find some interesting passages. this is one about the "black dakini":

I may be of help to the aspirant, but I am dangerous
For I will take away all he possesses
If he gives them up gladly,
we will dance together in their ashes
But if he clings to them
He will lose his mind and his heart.

I seek only beings ready for full liberation
Leave all behind and we will find beauty
In the emptiness that remains.

so this is the "wrathful deity" of tibetan buddhism. i believe this is the correct form:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4461/dvajradakayc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

now, this is where the story really starts to get very, very interesting (at least to me lol)...

i was in meditation, maybe about 3 years ago, and before me appeared a form that appeared something like this:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8273/dakiniyw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i wasn't afraid, i just let "it" know i was completely harmless, and consciously emanated only love to the form. it dissolved, as forms will, lol

"Vajrayogini, is a representation of complete buddhahood in female form. Classified as Wisdom or 'Mother' Anuttarayoga Tantra the practices originate with the Chakrasamvara Cycle of Tantras. Although found in a variety of forms, she is common to all schools of Tibetan Buddhism. In this particular form she is a special teaching passed down from the lineage of the Indian mahasiddha Naropa through to the Sakya School. This form is also popular within the Gelugpa Tradition.

she is semiwrathful, because she strips away illusion, still working in compassion with sentient being.

okay, so this happened maybe one more time. months go past. then one day, the form below appears to me, in a flash, locked gaze with me, and then vanished:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5324/greentarasj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this is the green tara, the dakini of active compassion skillful means. using the right communication technique at the right time to promote the surrender of illusion.

so, short and sweet. a few more months go by. now the following form appears or something close:

Ritro Loma Chen
An emanation of Tara that is golden, with three faces and six arms. Her power helps overcome plagues and epidemics, and illnesses new to the world. Those who suffer from incurable conditions can still benefit from her blessings.

this form reappeared, continuosly, for about 3 months, then faded. that was about a year ago. nothing like these forms has appeared since.

here's what's interesting and ties in with the theme of this thread, imv.

The first obstruction is the personal defilements of mind: the defilements are the five poisons: ignorance, desire, aversion, pride and jealousy. The second demonic influence is the obstruction of false contentment which is somewhat like pride. One takes for granted good situations thinking that they will go on forever: this is a very big obstacle because it wastes opportunities. The third demonic influence that obstructs the realization of enlightenment is based on self-holding and other-holding. The mind zig zags back and forth from "I like this" and "I don't like that" "this is pretty, that is not" "I need this" "I don't need that". Our mind enticed by the appearance of objects goes to the object and becomes dynamically involved there, totally seduced by samsaric appearances. The fourth obstruction is the root of the other three obstructions, the self-centeredness of one's "I".

The method to cut through these demonic influences is called Chod. One's pure motivation is the blade that cuts though the faults of self-centeredness.

Chod is the practice of generosity with one's most valuable possession, the body. There is nothing we value more, so this is what we use as our gift. Our mind is deathless, our body is not, so we transfer our mind out of our body and pure mind stands complete in space. The body, like a shell, is an empty remain.[sic] Through mantra and visualization, the practitioner transforms the body into a vast and wholesome offering of whatever would be satisfying. The offering is not just substance, but it is also wisdom nectar which fills the vastness of space. This is then offered to all of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, to any and all wisdom beings beyond the limit of our understanding. Further it is offered to every sentient being whoever they are, wherever they are. Whatever their particular need is is completely met by this offering and they're completely satisfied and fulfilled immediately and ultimately.

at least to me, this sounds remarkably like the "non resistance" passage you cited. and i feel that this is what eckhart tolle means when he writes "say yes".

so, with respect to asuras, i'm not sure what i think. i do believe that these forms described as dakinis are simply great wisdom mirrors, reflecting back to us our state of consciousness at a particular point in time.

concurrently while these forms were appearing for me, i was doing a tremendous amount of clearing, simplifying and letting go of "earth school" stuff: finances, livelihood, relationship, emotional baggage, sexual hangups. as i began to let these things just arise, and not try to numb out or lash out, the form began to change. these weren't different distinct beings, imv; it was the same bodhisattva coming to me in various guises.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1678/maskdakinigifby6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

i mean, how could you tell the difference between an asura and the black dakini? only in stillness and nonresistance, it would seem to me.

so, i'll leave you to ponder all this, and also a quote from the movie "jacob's ladder":

Louis: [Meister] Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and... and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.

so it appears to me

tru3

06-03-2007, 07:54 AM

Geez Louise it's things like this that get my paranoia going full speed.

Is it me? Am I the evil one? I am all too willing to torture myself with that possibility. Some of the things I have gone through would seem to indicate that.

Please tell me it ain't so and I'll believe it. Until the next time I read something like this and need to get straightened out again.

s

seamus,

i know my last post was longish, but i hope you read it. i feel like you and i are kindred spirits, mate. there really is nothing to fear. all that is required is the willingness to let go. in my case it was my past. i still carry it, but i bounce back in an hour when 5 or 6 years ago it would have taken me a month. it's a slow gradual process. i learned to be patient with myself, forgiving as best i could everyone and everything that came up, including and most importantly, myself.

i think here's a piece of hopeful wisdom, from the khandro.net site, that really made sense:

For us, non-realization of our absolute nature is not because we once realized our nature and then forgot it. It isn't that we had it and then lost it. The essential primary nature of absolute purity is innate in our being. Non-actualized purity is ignorance and so ignorance must be cut. It must be destroyed. It must be liberated.

we have all that we need. what obscures it is all the gunk. regardless of how it got there, only i can choose to let it go. only then will Infinite Love shine forth. in fact, it's here right now, waiting for us to let go of the illusion. we already are that which we seek!

all is well, seamus! peace, bro'!

seamus

06-03-2007, 08:01 AM

That is... just beautiful.

Thank you.

s

Woowoo another post number 33! Looks like that's my master number! clock says 2:04. What number is circled? 3! 234 sheesh time for bed.

albie

06-03-2007, 01:51 PM

hey,

i agree. our views do answer why we are here. this world is a nightmare, too, a dream within a dream. when i'm ready to wake up, i will. apparently, i'm sitting here, in front of my screen, typing these words either because i am in denial about the nature of this, or i have "unfinished business". the world to me is my mirror, indicating that i am still asleep. if i was awake, the whole universe would vanish. that works for me. it's up to every one ask their own questions and investigate their own answers.

my question is, "who is it that sees the screen?"

Why would you be here looking at a screen?

Why would you have unfinished business? You are part of the infinite perfection. You would have no business. No need to do anything or be anything. You wouldn't be asleep or awake.

You wouldn't be here, in short.

Hence no lasting perfection.

This isn't my view of my world it's my view of the world of some people here.

People who believe in the infinite perfection.

This model doesn't work.

albie

06-03-2007, 01:53 PM

tru3

06-03-2007, 03:15 PM

And icke offers no solution to why a part of The Infinite became deluded.

Why would it become deluded?

And why only a part?

Surely we are one.

A part of it falling would seem to suggest that we are NOT one. But similar.

you know, i have to be honest, at my age, "why" is becoming a less and less important question, albie. "why" is a question for a young man. lol i applaud you for looking for your own answers.

does it really matter why, when one has lost a child? or any loved one?

all explanations become useless in the face of deep loss and overwhelming grief, at least for most people.

all i can say was that, imv, this was an experiment. and with some experiments, sometime the beaker blows up in one's hand.

seamus

06-03-2007, 03:56 PM

all explanations become useless in the face of deep loss and overwhelming grief, at least for most people.

all i can say was that, imv, this was an experiment. and with some experiments, sometime the beaker blows up in one's hand.

As much as I hate to, here I go quoting the Grateful Dead again...

"Baby who's to say it should have been different, now that it's done?
Baby, who's to say it should have been anyway?
Baby who's to say that it even matters in the long run?
Give it just a minute,
And it will blow away,
It'll blow away."

"Blow Away", Mydland/Barlow

I believe there's hope that we will all, or almost all, continue to evolve upward and eventually rejoin the original collective. I'm not referring to the collective consciousness that holds sway over this planet, of course.

s

albie

06-03-2007, 04:23 PM

you know, i have to be honest, at my age, "why" is becoming a less and less important question, albie. "why" is a question for a young man. lol i applaud you for looking for your own answers.

does it really matter why, when one has lost a child? or any loved one?

all explanations become useless in the face of deep loss and overwhelming grief, at least for most people.

all i can say was that, imv, this was an experiment. and with some experiments, sometime the beaker blows up in one's hand.

An experiment would suggest imperfection. That they were attempting to discover more. Which means they were imperfect. Or as I think is the case, can never know if they have reached the heights of consciousness.

The Infinite can never know if another higher form is watching it.

God is paranoid, in other words.

This world we live in maybe a variation on what brought The infinite into being.

Who is to say anything has gone wrong?

Suffering maybe a vital ingredient. God is making sure he didn't miss something the first time around.:rolleyes:

Something that could bring about a newer state of grace.

Or maybe he's torturing us to force the hand of a higher entity?:D

i am all i am

06-03-2007, 06:10 PM

tru3

06-03-2007, 07:42 PM

An experiment would suggest imperfection. That they were attempting to discover more. Which means they were imperfect. Or as I think is the case, can never know if they have reached the heights of consciousness.

The Infinite can never know if another higher form is watching it.

God is paranoid, in other words.

This world we live in maybe a variation on what brought The infinite into being.

Who is to say anything has gone wrong?

Suffering maybe a vital ingredient. God is making sure he didn't miss something the first time around.:rolleyes:

Something that could bring about a newer state of grace.

Or maybe he's torturing us to force the hand of a higher entity?:D

i think these are pretty good questions, albie. :) here's a couple of others i ponder:

what if-- just, what if? we are all boddhisattvas, all buddhamind, here to help force the hand of this "higher" entity?

what if there are no victims, just volunteers?

bluestar

07-03-2007, 01:37 AM

Seamus-

Part of the incoming revelation to humanity is that of its true situation.
It will be scary for many- yet within it all is the understanding of truth and salvation. Many have been so severly distracted and distorted by the churches and mainstram religion that the true understanding has perished.
Be well seamus- if there is a call within to seek- follow it. Serve the truth as best you can and realise that there is a little spark inside that thirsts to go back home. This is the true you, not the mirage of your personality that holds you in thrall.If you would permit-may I suggest to you the website

http://esotericpublishing.com would be interested in your comments

seamus

07-03-2007, 11:59 AM

Mnay thanks to all who have been concerned for me. If you have been watching the progression of my messages it's clear that I have been going through a major life change. And right here in front of you! :o

I have made it, early it would seem, through a mid-life crisis. I have always been precocious, so there's no reason to believe that I should stop now.

cheers,

s

albie

07-03-2007, 02:30 PM

Mmmm. That would be the happier route.

tru3

08-03-2007, 05:52 AM