PCN Please help

[r4pture]

Hi all
I have been undergoing a small journey of my own into this little affair and am now at the stage where I would value other peoples input and advice. although I think I know what I am going to do it cant hurt to gain the advice of other more learned individuals who will have a far greater understanding than I do at this stage of my journey.
This is my journey so far. I would value and advice etc that youe would be willing to offfer. Thank you for reading.


///originally a parking ticket was slapped upon the windscreen of a friends car who had parked in a resident only bay. Everything was quite clearly marked and worst case scenario hes going to have to pay the fine. I decided ~I wanted to see if I could fight it the freeman way and thus give some of us here another small victory to raise peoples hope.

Response to parking tickets was

In care of:
Bxxxtt: Fretxxxxxxxxxxxl
xxxx Maxxxxeld Road
Near: [XXG5 2XX]
5th August 2009
Re: ref number NXXXXXXX34653458703
Notice of Conditional Acceptance, Discharge of Outstanding Demand and Request for Clarification.

{Manager
Nottingham City Council
Parking Services
Lawrence House
Talbot Street
Nottingham
NG1 5NT}

Dear Sirs,

Please read the following notice thoroughly and carefully before responding. It is a notice. It informs you. It means what it says.

The reason why you need to read carefully is simple. I am offering conditional agreement. This removes controversy, and means that you no longer have any ultimate recourse to a court of law in this matter, because there is no controversy upon which it could adjudicate. You always have the option of dragging these conditions into a court of law only to be told that they are, indeed, perfectly lawful. That is, of course, always your prerogative should you decide to waste your time.

For this reason it is important that you consider and respond to the offer in substance. The 'nearest official form' will not suffice, and consequently is likely to be ignored by myself without any dishonour on my part.

On the other hand there is a time-limit on the agreement being offered. It is reasonable, and if it runs out then you and all associated parties are in default, removing any and all lawful excuse on your part for proceeding in this matter.

For these reasons it is recommended that you carefully consider this notice and respond in substance, which means actually addressing the points raised herein.

You have apparently made demands upon me.

I do not understand those apparent demands and therefore cannot lawfully fulfil them. I seek clarification of your document so that I may act according to the law and maintain my entire body of inalienable Natural Rights.

Failure to accept this offer to clarify and to do so completely and in good faith within 7 (seven) days will be deemed by all parties to mean you and your principal or other parties abandon all demands upon me.

I conditionally accept your offer to agree that I am the registered keeper of vehicle [CCC*&8 VCCG] and that I must furnish you with details for consideration for forfeiture rendered by your company, upon proof of claim of all of the following:

1. Upon proof of claim that I am a person, and not a human being.

2. Upon proof of claim that you know what a 'person' actually is, in legal terms.

3. Upon proof of claim that you know the difference between a 'human being' and a 'person', legally speaking.

4. Upon proof of claim that you know the difference between 'legal' and a 'lawful'.

5. Upon proof of claim that I am the legal fiction to whom the vehicle is registered BRXXXXT FXXXXXL and not BXXXxtt: of FrxXXXXxell family, as commonly called.

6. Upon proof of claim that the charge was the result of a lawful investigation unmarred by prejudice.

7. Upon proof of claim that I am a member of the society whose statutes and subsisting regulations you are enforcing.

8. Upon proof of claim that I showed you some sort of identification.

9 Upon proof of claim that there is a nameable society that I belong to and that the laws covered within any alleged transgressions state that they apply to me within that named society.
10. Upon proof of claim that I am the owner of said vehicle and hold title to this vehicle and am not simply the “registered Keeper” as stated on the V5 Document received from the DVLA

Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity,

Bxxxxxt: of the Frecxxxxxell family
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved
Please address all future correspondence in the matter to a direct Human Self, namely Brcxxxxxtt of the Frcssssxxxll family, as commonly called.




THEY DIDN'T REPLY TO THIS WITHIN THE STATED TIME SO I SENT THISIn care of:
Bxxxxxx: Fxxxxxll
3333 Maxxxxld Rxxxd
Near: [Ncxx5 2xxx]
25th August 2009



{Manager
Nottingham City Council
Parking Services
Lawrence House
Talbot Street
Nottingham
NG1 5NT}
NOTICE TO THE PRINCIPAL IS NOTICE TO THE AGENT
NOTICE TO THE AGENT IS NOTICE TO THE PRINCIPAL


Notice of DEFAULT AND OF ESTOPPEL BY ACQUIESCENCE

Dear Sirs,

On 5th August 2009 we presented to you a Notice of conditional acceptance, Discharge of outstanding demand and request for clarification.

This was sent via recorded delivery number DL xxxxxxxxxxxx and was received by you on 11/08/09 as per proof below



Your item with reference DL469xxxxxx08GB was delivered from our NOTTINGHAM Delivery Office on 11/08/09 .
Electronic Proof of Delivery for your item


Said NOTICE AND DEMAND gave you reasonable notice and grace to locate and produce the requested information.
You were granted 7 (seven) days to respond.
The deadline for production of said evidence 17/08/09.
You have served nothing upon us which could be considered as a good faith and diligent attempt by you to respond to our lawful and reasonable NOTICE AND DEMAND within the stated deadline.
You are in dishonour of said notice and we must now advise that a default judgment is now in place, establishing permanent and irrevocable estoppel by acquiescence, forevermore barring all parties to mean you and your principal or other parties making further demands upon us.

You had a legal and moral duty to answer, and your silence can now be construed as a fraud
"Silence can only be equated with fraud where there is a legal or
moral duty to speak or where an inquiry left unanswered would be
intentionally misleading."

We now consider this matter to be closed and all demands placed upon us by parties to mean you and your principal withdrawn. We do not consent to any further communication regarding PCN NG71858703.
Any further contact attempts by parties to mean you and your principal
will be classed as harassment and charged at £500 per letter / phone call / contact
received and £500 per letter / contact sent in reply,
This fee schedule is effective immediately.





Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity,



Brxxxxxtt: of the Frxxxxxxell family
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved
Please address all future correspondence in the matter to a direct Human Self, namely Bxxxxxxtt of the Fxxxxxxl family, as commonly called.



They have now replied with this with so many mistake i could jump on immediatly its unreal this is where the fun begin. would anyone like to add some bits and bods for the reply?

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[burnttoast]

There would be a few way's to go about this.....

1. Waive the Benefit privilidge of authority as described by the Parking agent.

2. Accept that your estoppel against them is irrelevant to this situation upon proof of claim under full commercial liability and perjury.....give them 10 days to respond.......


You're playing big boy "hot potato" now...have fun.

Peace

[bones]

conditionally accept the notice i didnt bother with all that complicated bumff
like prove im a person bla bla bla.


ask to see a true bill in accordance with the bills of exchange act 1882
show you the contract with a signiture binding you to that contract


keep offering to pay at all stages as this dosnt create controversy...

keep it simple... dont deviate from the set path!!

ask questions like define notice under law?
am i obligated to pay for a steak and chips in pub without seeing the bill?
you are in the big game park now and if you think its tough now imagin if they get baliffs involved like i had!!!

AND I STILL BEAT EM!!!

[merlincove]

Excellent point's bones

i have heard that the trafic enforcement boys are getting real keen in and around nottingham, they are pushing tickets for pettiness....

i live just outside of town and have some friends in nottingham and wollaton who are forever on the recieving end of pcn's.

i actually don't like the first letter, it is a little bit too harshly worded for my senses of dealing with things. I don't tend to keep things simple, i waffle on a lot and that has the ability to confuse things - but the letter (from fmotl?) is very to the point and tends to get the job done.

i re-word it a bit, but the basics are the same.

Bones is right, you need to push a request for a bill and full disclosure as well as contractual obligation.

However. And there is a however. If your friend is not a freeman on the land, and i'm i asuming that he has not completed a NOUI, a court may insist that he IS contracted through driving licence (status as a person) and is in fact under the juristiction of the road traffic act blah blah blah through dint of being a vessel and using a vessel within commercial law.

The driving licence may very well contract. The tax disc may very well contract. The registration of the vehicle may very well contract.

Without declaring independance by way of NOUI etc, you agree by acquiesence to obey the rule of society as given under statute.

But having said all that, they might cave under pressure with the request of bill and contract. B ut if it gets to court, my advice would be to pay up before then else live with the costs....

Sorry can't be more helpful man, just trying to be real

:cool:

[r4pture]

MY thoughts were this
Wouldnt i be within my rights to ignore this letter now? is this not another attempt to contract. It is addressed to a person not a man. the didnt reply within the timeframe stated so they are in estoppel. can anyone explain why estoppel is not relevant in this case at all?
How can a legal fiction (ie parking services) pick up a pen and write to a man. tyhey have dishonoured me my writing to a person again.
Also they are openingly admitting they are trying to enforce a statue upon me.


This was my initial draft after getting the reply. is this completely wrong then ? I will remove or add anything that is wrong. i also need to redo this to include the points you have all raised. is there anything glareingly wrong or stupid in this reply?


In care of:
Bxxxxtt: Frxxxxxexell
5xxx3 xxx
2009


{Manager
Nottingham City Council
Parking Services
Lawrence House
Talbot Street
Nottingham
NG1 5NT}


Wthout Prejudice.
Dear Sirs,


Thank you for your incorrectly addressed correspondence dated 28/08/2009
In which you entered into a contract, the terms and conditions of which were sent to you in my previous communication. This contract has not been rebutted in the form of affidavit signed by a man or woman under their full commercial liablility within the lawfull time period stated and now stands as law. On behalf of parking services – Nottingham City Council is a strange way to sign a letter as it infers that parking services has the ability to pick up a pen and write a letter. Who is the man or woman behind the pen?
Further more I do not enter into or recognize any contracts that you wish to enforce upon me. I do not understand or stand under your demands.
It appears that you not do not fully understand my last communication. It is only fair for me to suggest that you seek independent legal advice from a reliable firm of solicitors, although they deal in statute law they may be able to explain common law for you

You dishonour me by continuing to refer to me as Mr Bxxxxt Frxxxxll. As I have clearly in both of my notices demanded that It be recognized that I am Brett of the Fretwell family, as commonly called and I am not a Mr.
MR Brett Fretwell is a legal fiction created by my birth certificate. I am a freeman on the land, a man that is natural born created by the divine. I am subject to common law which derives its authority solely from use and custom not legislative or executive action. A natural born man or woman cannot be acted upon by statutes. Statutes apply only to the fictitious entity with a legal personality; i.e. the Mr.
As you to attempt to communicate outside of the stated time frame, you assent to the following terms and there is now a legally binding contract between you and me as you are the agent for your principle. You now owe £1000 which is payable on demand.

You fail to differentiate between a statute and a law and the difference between “legal” and Lawfull. failure to differentiate between a STATUTE and a law is GROSS NEGLIGENCE which under common law is equivalent to FRAUD."

Common law applies to a man or woman, STATUTE rules apply to the person only when the man or woman CONSENTS to represent the PERSON. Statutes require a contract; where a CONTRACT is an agreement between 2 or more PERSONS that creates or modifies an existing relationship. A Statute is a legislative rule of SOCIETY given the FORCE of law by the CONSENT of the GOVERNED. It is a RULE, like a policy of a corporation, not a law. As a statute is not a law, it is given force of law.
You openly admit you are trying to enforce a statute upon me.
I do not consent to be ruled or governed by. Therefore your statute cannot have the force of law applied to it.


You were given a time period to reply to my initial notice where by you fell into dishonour and forfeited all claims upon me or the legal fiction known as Mr Bxxxxxt xxxxxxx. I consider the previous matter to be closed.

£1000 is now payable and must be paid later than the last day of the period 28 days beginning with the date on which this notice was served (i.e 29/09/2009)
This amount will be reduced by a discount of 50% to £500.00 if It is paid not later than the last day of 14 days beginning with the date on which this notice was served (i.e 15/092009)

Cheques are to be made payable to xxxxt: Frxxxxx

Please also note that if you contact me by telephone, after a formal request not to, you will also be in breach of the Wireless Telegraphy Act (1949) and, as such, I will report you to both Trading Standards and The Office of Fair Trading. And take further note that continued telephone calls after the receipt of a request not to call may constitute a criminal offence under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.

Finally, you do not, nor have you ever had, my permission to use or process my personal data in any way, and so pursuant to the Data Protection Act 1998, I hereby demand that you cease use of any and all data with regard to me, and that you immediately destroy all of my data held on your records. Failure to do so will result in a report being submitted to The Information Commissioner for Data Protection breaches.

Please note that any further correspondence from you, your company or its representatives, agents or officers will be dealt with as a matter of harassment under Sec 40 of the Administration of Justice Act 1970, or Sec 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988, and I hereby give formal notice that should such occur I will not hesitate to inform the relevant legal bodies to this matter.

You will be deemed to have been served notice of my request and I will deem it served three (3) days from the date of this letter. This has been sent by recorded delivery. I am advising you that any communications from you including but not limited to letters, phone calls and text messages received after this date will continue to be charged at £500 each and £500 for each reply they will also be recorded/noted with the intention of them being used as evidence.


Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity,



xxxx: of the Fxxxxell family
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved
Please address all future correspondence in the matter to a direct Human Self, namely Brxxxx of the Frxxxxxell family, as commonly called.

[merlincove]

In care of:
Bxxxxtt: Frxxxxxexell
5xxx3 xxx
2009


{Manager
Nottingham City Council
Parking Services
Lawrence House
Talbot Street
Nottingham
NG1 5NT}


Wthout Prejudice.

Equality Before and Under the law is parramount.

Dear Sirs,


Thank you for your incorrectly addressed correspondence dated 28/08/2009
In which you entered into a contract, the terms and conditions of which were sent to you in my previous communication. This contract has not been rebutted in the form of affidavit signed by a man or woman under their full commercial liablility within the lawfull time period stated and now stands as law.



Was the letter incorrectly addressed?

Say. The letter was addressed to a person and not to my Self, a human being with a blessed soul living under God alone.

You need to be clear on the contract business. Do Not offer to contract with them in ANY way. They have then not rebbuted your contract becuae you did not offer one, yes? That it stands as a point of law is not true, you have not sent a statement of truth in respect of a sworn and notarised affidavit, so therefore your correspondance does not constitute law.


On behalf of parking services – Nottingham City Council is a strange way to sign a letter as it infers that parking services has the ability to pick up a pen and write a letter. Who is the man or woman behind the pen?


On behalf of = a human being has signed on the companies behalf. DFon't get tangled up in this too much, keep it simple.


Further more I do not enter into or recognize any contracts that you wish to enforce upon me. I do not understand or stand under your demands.
It appears that you not do not fully understand my last communication. It is only fair for me to suggest that you seek independent legal advice from a reliable firm of solicitors, although they deal in statute law they may be able to explain common law for you


I would thank you for your kind offer to contract, and as i overstand my obligations as ab human being with a blessed soul existing under God alone i am aware that i am in no way uinder any obligation to your company unless you can prove otherwise by way of Proof of Claim as requested. i hereby give notice to your company that i have no wish to contract with your company in this matter.



You dishonour me by continuing to refer to me as Mr Bxxxxt Frxxxxll. As I have clearly in both of my notices demanded that It be recognized that I am Brett of the Fretwell family, as commonly called and I am not a Mr.
MR Brett Fretwell is a legal fiction created by my birth certificate. I am a freeman on the land, a man that is natural born created by the divine. I am subject to common law which derives its authority solely from use and custom not legislative or executive action. A natural born man or woman cannot be acted upon by statutes. Statutes apply only to the fictitious entity with a legal personality; i.e. the Mr.


You can not demand that they do as you ask. You can request and refer to the request, in the 1st line replace demand with request. Is Brett Fretwell actually a freeman on the land, has he broken ties with society or deoes he continue to exist within a society? A freeman on the land needs a notice of understanding to his name, a declaration to show that he is such, because without this his consent to be a part of society remains through his acceptance of it. Don't get into this right now - it will be a minefield unless you are a freeman on the land, just push for proof of claim in respect of contract and bill.You don't need to argue the Mr. thing / i am not a vessel. You may choose to argue that you do not understand their issue of statute when you exist as a human being under divine law and within common law and insist that a company can not act against your human self as you have not commited a crime, that might be a safer bet. Again, don't complicate things - keep a lid on it and then you can see where it might go.



As you to attempt to communicate outside of the stated time frame, you assent to the following terms and there is now a legally binding contract between you and me as you are the agent for your principle. You now owe £1000 which is payable on demand.


No, no. no, do not contract. You have not offered a contract and you don't want to accept ANY contract. They don't owe you anything just yet.


You fail to differentiate between a statute and a law and the difference between “legal” and Lawfull. failure to differentiate between a STATUTE and a law is GROSS NEGLIGENCE which under common law is equivalent to FRAUD."

Don't repeat yourself, keep it simple.




Common law applies to a man or woman, STATUTE rules apply to the person only when the man or woman CONSENTS to represent the PERSON. Statutes require a contract; where a CONTRACT is an agreement between 2 or more PERSONS that creates or modifies an existing relationship. A Statute is a legislative rule of SOCIETY given the FORCE of law by the CONSENT of the GOVERNED. It is a RULE, like a policy of a corporation, not a law. As a statute is not a law, it is given force of law.
You openly admit you are trying to enforce a statute upon me.
I do not consent to be ruled or governed by. Therefore your statute cannot have the force of law applied to it.


is ok, if you feel you need to tell them their possition.



You were given a time period to reply to my initial notice where by you fell into dishonour and forfeited all claims upon me or the legal fiction known as Mr Bxxxxxt xxxxxxx. I consider the previous matter to be closed.


then why are you writing to them further? i consider this matter closed unless you can provide adequate proofm of your claim as requested. Without the provision of such Proof of Claim as requested i have no wish to enter into comunique with your company and will return all mail to sender unopened in regard to this matter where proof of claim is not forthcoming.


£1000 is now payable and must be paid later than the last day of the period 28 days beginning with the date on which this notice was served (i.e 29/09/2009)
This amount will be reduced by a discount of 50% to £500.00 if It is paid not later than the last day of 14 days beginning with the date on which this notice was served (i.e 15/092009)

Cheques are to be made payable to xxxxt: Frxxxxx


i ike your guile man, good luck with this. Did you issue the company with a notice of yur fee schedule? :rolleyes:


Please also note that if you contact me by telephone, after a formal request not to, you will also be in breach of the Wireless Telegraphy Act (1949) and, as such, I will report you to both Trading Standards and The Office of Fair Trading. And take further note that continued telephone calls after the receipt of a request not to call may constitute a criminal offence under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003.

Finally, you do not, nor have you ever had, my permission to use or process my personal data in any way, and so pursuant to the Data Protection Act 1998, I hereby demand that you cease use of any and all data with regard to me, and that you immediately destroy all of my data held on your records. Failure to do so will result in a report being submitted to The Information Commissioner for Data Protection breaches.

Please note that any further correspondence from you, your company or its representatives, agents or officers will be dealt with as a matter of harassment under Sec 40 of the Administration of Justice Act 1970, or Sec 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988, and I hereby give formal notice that should such occur I will not hesitate to inform the relevant legal bodies to this matter.

You will be deemed to have been served notice of my request and I will deem it served three (3) days from the date of this letter. This has been sent by recorded delivery. I am advising you that any communications from you including but not limited to letters, phone calls and text messages received after this date will continue to be charged at £500 each and £500 for each reply they will also be recorded/noted with the intention of them being used as evidence.


Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity,



xxxx: of the Fxxxxell family
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved
Please address all future correspondence in the matter to a direct Human Self, namely Brxxxx of the Frxxxxxell family, as commonly called




Keep it simple.

:D

[burnttoast]

Wouldnt i be within my rights to ignore this letter now? is this not another attempt to contract. It is addressed to a person not a man. the didnt reply within the timeframe stated so they are in estoppel. can anyone explain why estoppel is not relevant in this case at all?

Always respond....and conditionally accept....

As for your other question about estoppel....don't ask us, ask them and make 'em proove it's not relevant...if they can't, they've committed fraud. See how deep it can get when your actually asked to show your cards....THEY ARE BLUFFING 99 TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED!

Peace

[merlincove]

Always respond....and conditionally accept....

As for your other question about estoppel....don't ask us, ask them and make 'em proove it's not relevant...if they can't, they've committed fraud. See how deep it can get when your actually asked to show your cards....THEY ARE BLUFFING 99 TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED!

Peace

The bluff is a full time occupation :D

Great post - "don't ask us, ask them and make 'em proove it's not relevant" i missed that bit.

[number_6]

Perhaps it would be a good idea for r4pture to study carefully the second paragraph of Nottingham's letter, and then go and do some research. Might not like the answers.
As for demanding £1000, what a load of bollocks. I would be extremely interested how the OP expects to enforce such a demand, no Judge in the land would uphold it. Ultimately any fee schedule may only be enforced by a Court Order, and any Judge would look at adequate time scales. 28 days minimum for replying to a letter.

[r4pture]

Perhaps it would be a good idea for r4pture to study carefully the second paragraph of Nottingham's letter, and then go and do some research. Might not like the answers.
As for demanding £1000, what a load of bollocks. I would be extremely interested how the OP expects to enforce such a demand, no Judge in the land would uphold it. Ultimately any fee schedule may only be enforced by a Court Order, and any Judge would look at adequate time scales. 28 days minimum for replying to a letter.

I am learning so please feel free to add constructive advice as that is what I am asking for rather than telling me its all bollocks. The whole idea is to seek advice from people who have a greater knowledge than I do . I just happen to be brave enough to test this out to see if its real. also having a bit of fun along the way.

Rather than attacking me how about you tell me what it is you mean about the second paragraph. and help me to fight the corrupt system that everyone moans about. If I had wanted to be done down or told Im talking bollucks I would have discussed this with any number of neighbours who already think Im nuts. I came here for support from what I assumed were like minded people.
If you have nothing usefull or constructive to say then please dont bother typing anything at all.

Thank you to everyone else who has replied I will reply to you individually.

[r4pture]

Excellent point's bones

However. And there is a however. If your friend is not a freeman on the land, and i'm i asuming that he has not completed a NOUI, a court may insist that he IS contracted through driving licence (status as a person) and is in fact under the juristiction of the road traffic act blah blah blah through dint of being a vessel and using a vessel within commercial law.

The driving licence may very well contract. The tax disc may very well contract. The registration of the vehicle may very well contract.

Without declaring independance by way of NOUI etc, you agree by acquiesence to obey the rule of society as given under statute.

But having said all that, they might cave under pressure with the request of bill and contract. B ut if it gets to court, my advice would be to pay up before then else live with the costs....

Sorry can't be more helpful man, just trying to be real

:cool:

He has not completed a NOUI and neither have I as I havent managed to get my head round it yet. I was hoping this would bluff them really.

[r4pture]

Was the letter incorrectly addressed?

Say. The letter was addressed to a person and not to my Self, a human being with a blessed soul living under God alone.

DONE

You need to be clear on the contract business. Do Not offer to contract with them in ANY way. They have then not rebbuted your contract becuae you did not offer one, yes? That it stands as a point of law is not true, you have not sent a statement of truth in respect of a sworn and notarised affidavit, so therefore your correspondance does not constitute law.

gettign carried away again lol

On behalf of = a human being has signed on the companies behalf. DFon't get tangled up in this too much, keep it simple.

Removed


I would thank you for your kind offer to contract, and as i overstand my obligations as ab human being with a blessed soul existing under God alone i am aware that i am in no way uinder any obligation to your company unless you can prove otherwise by way of Proof of Claim as requested. i hereby give notice to your company that i have no wish to contract with your company in this matter.

Edited
You can not demand that they do as you ask. You can request and refer to the request, in the 1st line replace demand with request. Is Brett Fretwell actually a freeman on the land, has he broken ties with society or deoes he continue to exist within a society? A freeman on the land needs a notice of understanding to his name, a declaration to show that he is such, because without this his consent to be a part of society remains through his acceptance of it. Don't get into this right now - it will be a minefield unless you are a freeman on the land, just push for proof of claim in respect of contract and bill.You don't need to argue the Mr. thing / i am not a vessel. You may choose to argue that you do not understand their issue of statute when you exist as a human being under divine law and within common law and insist that a company can not act against your human self as you have not commited a crime, that might be a safer bet. Again, don't complicate things - keep a lid on it and then you can see where it might go.

Sadly he is not a freeman and has all of the ties you mention. as do i

No, no. no, do not contract. You have not offered a contract and you don't want to accept ANY contract. They don't owe you anything just yet.



Don't repeat yourself, keep it simple.




is ok, if you feel you need to tell them their possition.



then why are you writing to them further? i consider this matter closed unless you can provide adequate proofm of your claim as requested. Without the provision of such Proof of Claim as requested i have no wish to enter into comunique with your company and will return all mail to sender unopened in regard to this matter where proof of claim is not forthcoming.



i ike your guile man, good luck with this. Did you issue the company with a notice of yur fee schedule? :rolleyes:

no but I have told them in all correspondance that if they dont reply with the details I have asked then I will charge them per letter recieved and per reply sent in response was hoping to use this to my favour really

Keep it simple.

:D

j

[r4pture]

right heres a rough copy of the new letter. I think I managed to get everyones points and incorporate them. This is not as easy as I had thought it might be. there may be mistakes I hope this is a little better though. any further advice or have i gone in the wrong direction?



Wthout Prejudice.
Dear Sirs,


Thank you for your correspondence dated 28/08/2009
The letter was addressed to a person and not to my Self, a human being with a blessed soul living under God alone.
You dishonour me by continuing to refer to me as Mr Frxxxxxll. As I have clearly in both of my notices requested that It be recognized that I am xxxtt of the Frxxxll family, as commonly called and I am not a Mr.

I would thank you for your kind offer to contract, and as i overstand my obligations as a human being with a blessed soul existing under God alone i am aware that i am in no way under any obligation to your company unless you can prove otherwise by way of Proof of Claim as requested in my initial notice. I hereby give notice to your company that i have no wish to contract with your company in this matter.

I do not understand your issue of statute. I exist as a human being under divine law and within common law and a company can not act against me as a man as I have not committed a crime.


I conditionally accept your offer to agree that estoppel is irrelevant to my situation upon Proof of claim that (Not sure what to put here yet) under full commercial liability and perjury
I hereby Waive the Benefit privilege of authority as described by your correspondence and as consideration release you of your duty to perform.


It appears that as you do not fully understand my last communication. It is only fair for me to suggest that you seek independent legal advice from a reliable firm of solicitors; although they deal in statute law they may be able to explain common law for you


failure to differentiate between a STATUTE and a law is GROSS NEGLIGENCE which under common law is equivalent to FRAUD."

Common law applies to a man or woman, STATUTE rules apply to the person only when the man or woman CONSENTS to represent the PERSON. Statutes require a contract; where a CONTRACT is an agreement between 2 or more PERSONS that creates or modifies an existing relationship. A Statute is a legislative rule of SOCIETY given the FORCE of law by the CONSENT of the GOVERNED. It is a RULE, like a policy of a corporation, not a law. As a statute is not a law, it is given force of law.
You openly admit you are trying to enforce a statute upon me.
I do not consent to be ruled or governed by. Therefore your statute cannot have the force of law applied to it.

I am however still willing to close this matter in an honourable manner I conditionally accept your offer to agree that I am the registered keeper of vehicle upon which the penalty charge notice was fixed and that I must furnish you with details for consideration for forfeiture rendered by your company, upon proof of claim of:

Full disclosure as well as contractual obligation.

The production of a true bill in accordance with the bills of exchange act 1882

The production of a contract with a signature binding me to your contract

i consider this matter closed unless you can provide adequate proof of your claim as requested within 7 [Seven] days Without the provision of such Proof of Claim as requested i have no wish to enter into comunique with your company and will continue to apply me fee schedule as noticed to you in all of my communications in regard to this matter where proof of claim is not forthcoming.

£1000 is now payable and must be paid later than the last day of the period 28 days beginning with the date on which this notice was served (i.e 29/09/2009)
This amount will be reduced by a discount of 50% to £500.00 if It is paid not later than the last day of 14 days beginning with the date on which this notice was served (i.e 15/092009)

Cheques are to be made payable to Brxxxtt: xxxxll

You will be deemed to have been served notice of my request and I will deem it served three (3) days from the date of this letter. This has been sent by recorded delivery. I am advising you that any communications from you including but not limited to letters, phone calls and text messages received after this date will continue to be charged at £500 each and £500 for each reply they will also be recorded/noted with the intention of them being used as evidence.


Sincerely and without ill will, vexation or frivolity,