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gaias child
04-01-2010, 12:52 PM
This is very interesting. Other bands like Nirvana have been said to of predicted 9/11 but Prince just came right out and said it amazing!!!!
The thing is was it really "Osama Bin Laden getting ready to bomb" or was it the USA government getting ready to bomb it's own people??
I always wondered why Prince wasn't attacked the way Michael Jackson was. It's clear Prince is an insider. Michael Jackson never was he was more radical, more famous, more loved and spoke of "peace and love" and the break down of family life and owned all those song publishing rights his catalogues.
Some think Prince killed his own baby who died! I am really not sure about Prince. Prince has talent and is sharp and intelligent but what side is he really on?
Michael Jackson was a fan of Prince but I am not sure Prince was a fan of Michael Jackson?
Prince is now strangely part of the "Jehovah's Witnesses" a 'Christian' sect rooted in Freemasonary. Michael Jackson of course grew up in the Jehovah's Witnesses religion.
George Michael said he was a slave to SONY so far he hasn't been killed.

Yes it crossed my mind whether Prince was an insider, because he has come right out and said stuff and he has not been attacked, so many people most not famous have been killed from uncovering info, scientists and those working on haarp and project bluebeam, yet people like Alex Jones and David Icke and Jordan Maxwell remain untouched so I feelsome conspiracy theories are planted deliberately to cause a distraction to prevent the truth being uncovered, and so these people may serve the agenda to a degree.

Bill Cooper predicted 9/11 and that it would be an inside job and they would blame it on osama bin laden in June 28 2001 and he was murdered in NOvember 2001.

listen from 1.25


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

andiliz
05-01-2010, 05:31 AM
Yes it crossed my mind whether Prince was an insider, because he has come right out and said stuff and he has not been attacked, so many people most not famous have been killed from uncovering info, scientists and those working on haarp and project bluebeam, yet people like Alex Jones and David Icke and Jordan Maxwell remain untouched so I feelsome conspiracy theories are planted deliberately to cause a distraction to prevent the truth being uncovered, and so these people may serve the agenda to a degree.

Bill Cooper predicted 9/11 and that it would be an inside job and they would blame it on osama bin laden in June 28 2001 and he was murdered in NOvember 2001.

listen from 1.25


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPcia9hQohY&feature=related
I think because David Icke is well known/famous is his saving grace!! If David Icke died right now people would start to take even more notice of him and his books it will give David Icke more kudos!!
Today a lot of people still see David Icke as "Nuts" and the guy who goes on about the British Royal family turning into "Lizards" to some David Icke is still a "Joke" if they have even heard of him at all! The media know this! There are other ways to hurt people with out killing them you can bully, mock and ridicule people and hurt them financially!
I know about Bill Cooper and I like him he was intelligent and I agree with him on a lot of things although I don't agree with owning guns it's like fighting fire with fire! Bill Cooper was a Christian where as David Icke has no religion.
I don't like Alex Jones at all because he said nasty, cruel and untrue stuff about Michael Jackson after Michael died and he also said nasty and untrue stuff about Bill Cooper.
I found this on the internet:

The music industry never swallowed Michael Jackson, they do not accept him? it as 'empresario'/'impresario'?, they wanted him as a single recording artist to capitalize on, a 'brand', remember Michael Jackson's protest against "Sony" the record label he was on?
This was written in 2006 before Michael Jackson died/was killed.
Christopher Hamilton, said a day with all reason?:
"Is it because Michael Jackson is a BLACK MAN?“ (Christopher Hamilton, 2006)
by Christopher Hamilton, Thursday, January 5th, 2006.
Source: "Is it because he is a black man?: What they do/don't want you to think of when you hear the name, Michael Jackson? "Wacko"? "Criminal"? "Great Entertainer"? "Businessman"?
Whatever you think of MJ, throw all your 'thoughts' out of the window and let’s examine some 'facts'.
For years the media has labeled him "Wacko Jacko". What happened to MJ? Wasn’t he the biggest thing in music at one point? When did he go crazy?
All anyone has to do is look when Michael started being portrayed as "Crazy". It wasn’t during the ‘Thriller’ years. It’s cool being a song and dance man. That’s what they want. Don’t dare become a thinking businessman!! Don’t dare buy The Beatles catalogue!! Don’t dare marry Elvis’s daughter!! Don’t dare beat the record industry at their own game!!
Michael started being labeled "Crazy" when he began making business moves that no one had been successful at doing!!
Michael took two cultural icons and shattered them to pieces. All our lives, we’ve been bombarded with two facts. "The Beatles were the greatest group of all time" and "Elvis was the King of Rock and Roll". Michael Jackson bought The Beatles and married the King’s daughter!! (if that ain’t literally sticking it to the man) If I wasn’t a cynic, I’d say Michael did the Lisa Marie Presley marriage thing just to stick it to the people who consider Elvis the King!
The Beatles were great, but they weren’t great enough to maintain publishing rights over their own songs.
Elvis was great, but he didn’t write his songs. His manager, Col. Tom Parker, was the mastermind behind Elvis… keeping him drugged with fresh subscription pills and doing all the paperwork.
Michael could do no wrong as an entertainer.
‘Off the Wall’, made him the first solo artist with four top ten singles!
‘Thriller’, is the biggest selling album of all time, with a then record seven top ten singles!
‘Bad’, the first album ever to spawn five number one songs! (even ‘Thriller’ only had two number one songs)!
All this is cool. But that is all you better do. Sing and dance. But Michael wanted to be greater! He bought the legendary 'Sly and the Family Stone' catalogue and no one really cared. But when he bought The Beatles, people noticed!
The "Sony merger" took the cake! Sony, in their eagerness to have a part of The Beatles catalogue, agreed to a 50/50 merger with Jackson, thus forming "Sony/ATV music publishing". Now, Michael co-owns half of the entire publishing of all of Sony artists! Check out the complete lists of songs at: http://www.sonyatv.com
A sampling of the songs he owns the publishing rights to are over 900 country songs by artists such as Tammy Wynette, Kenny Rogers and Alabama.
All Babyface's written songs.
Latin songs by Selena and Enrique Iglesias.
Roberta Flack songs, Mariah Carey songs, Destiny’s Child’s songs. 2Pac, Biggie and Fleetwood Mac songs. In essence over 100,000 songs!!
“What is this man doing?” None of the greats did this! Not Bono, Springsteen, Sinatra. “Who does he think he is? Get whatever you can on him.”
To ‘get’ someone, you have to attack what they love the most. I’ll say no more on that.
The only man who even approaches MJ in taking on the industry is 'PRINCE' and to a lesser extent, 'GEORGE MICHAEL'! They went after poor George Michael, publicly outing the man as a homosexual. Prince fought hard and made his point, but nevertheless still had to resort to using a 'major record company' to distribute his materials. There is nothing wrong with that. Prince would get the lion’s share, but the result were years of being labeled crazy and difficult.
The greatest moment for them was the "Tom Sneddon" press conference. “We got him.” Never was such glee so evident. Who cares if we don't have any evidence?
Michael Jackson was acquitted, he did not celebrate, he went home and left the USA. Best move ever! Now what is there left for the haters to do? He’s gone. “Gone, what do you mean he moved to Bahrain? Well, how the hell can we get him if he’s not here? Quick, get that columnist to write a series of articles on how MJ’s teetering on the brink of destruction. Oh we did that? Well, what else can we do?”
On the outer surface, it appears Michael is not doing anything to make money. Don’t even count the weekly sales of his CDs.15,000 CDs a week is nothing for Michael!
The Sony/ATV catalog makes money for Michael Jackson every time he breathes! Serious money!! The fact that no one reports on the actual amount is PROOF of that!! They would rather you believe he is BROKE than tell you the TRUTH!!
"Neverland" is still owned by MJ! The family home in Encino is still owned by MJ!
Michael still owns The Beatles songs through the merger with Sony as well as full ownership of his own songs! But, hey, that’s our little secret.
Michael Jackson is literally walking in the shoes that no BLACK man has ever walked in before.
If he ever writes another autobiography (after his first autobiography called "Moonwalk" an autobiography written by Michael Jackson, "Moonwalk" was first published in February 1988) it will be one of the most interesting autobiography ever. A Black man with no real formal education becomes the most powerful man in the industry, despite hatred, racism, enemies in his OWN camps and a media willing to be bought to the highest bidder.
If Sony has any sense, right now they should offer to continue the partnership. That’s the only way they will make future money off of Michael’s catalogue. "Tommy Mattola" did not lose his job with Sony because he was a bad label head. Tommy Mattola was a casualty of war. MJ exposed him and Sony had to cut their losses. Companies do it all the time.
Notice no one at Sony nor did Tommy Matolla himself ever sue MJ for slander!!
Michael always was loyal to his bosses at Epic/Sony. Back at the 1984 Grammys, he even brought then label head "Walter Yetnikoff" on stage with him at one point.
He’s always thanked "Dave Glew", "Tommy Mattola" and others at Sony in his acceptance speeches.
Sony can still do right by Michael, but it may be too late. However, they still should make a goodwill gesture, but how many times do businesses do that?? If I were them, I’d still want MJ as an 'ally', not as an 'enemy'! It is/was a mutally profitable merger.
I’d be scared as hell if I was an enemy of MJ while he is with the multi-billionaires overseas. Believe me, they aren’t just over there discussing designer clothing. A conglomerate is in the making.
One last note, these facts that I write here should not be the only times you hear this, but the sad fact is it probably is!! I was worried that Michael would go down because of the uncertainty of the jury. That’s playing unfair. If I’m presenting these facts here at EURweb, you can believe the media knows it already as well. They aren’t salivating over everything MJ related just because he made ‘Thriller’! They know what’s up! Think about it!
That’s why I laugh when I see shows like BET’s ‘The Ultimate Hustler’. We all know who that is. (How can Damon Dash know who the ultimate hustler is anyway? He lost Roc-a-fella to Jay-Z.)
In the end, Michael Jackson won’t be known for being an alleged child molester. And he won’t be known for great albums like ‘Thriller’ and 'Bad'.
"He will be known as the black man that fought the record industry and won and lived to tell the tale!!"
That is a book worth buying.
Christopher Hamilton is a freelance entertainment writer. He can be reached for questions or comments at:
mrcjhamilton@hotmail.com
MJFriendship.de
http://www.mjfriendship.de/en
Sadly Michael Jackson did NOT live to tell the tale!! Michael Jackson was killed or died on 25th June 2009!! :(:(

gwynned
05-01-2010, 08:48 AM
That’s what they want. Don’t dare become a thinking businessman!! Don’t dare buy The Beatles catalog!! Don’t dare marry Elvis’s daughter!! Don’t dare beat the record industry at their own game!!
Michael started being labeled "Crazy" when he began making business moves that no one had been successful at doing!!
Michael took two cultural icons and shattered them to pieces. All our lives, we’ve been bombarded with two facts. The greatest moment for them was the Sneddon press conference. “We got him.” Never was such glee so evident. Who cares if we don't have evidence?
Michael Jackson was acquitted, he did not celebrate, he went home and left the USA. Best move ever! Now what is there left for the haters to do? He’s gone. “Gone, what do you mean he moved to Bahrain? Well, how the hell can we get him if he’s not here? Quick, get that columnist to write a series of articles on how MJ’s teetering on the brink of destruction. Oh we did that? Well, what else can we do?”
On the outer surface, it appears Michael is not doing anything to make money. Don’t even count the weekly sales of his CDs. 15,000 CDs a week is nothing for Michael!
The Sony/ATV catalog makes money for Michael Jackson every time he breathes! Serious money!! The fact that no one reports on the actual amount is proof of that!! They would rather you believe he is broke than tell you the truth!!
"Neverland" is still owned by MJ! The family home in Encino is still owned by MJ!
Michael still owns The Beatles songs through the merger with Sony as well as full ownership of his own songs. But, hey, that’s our little secret.
Michael Jackson is literally walking in the shoes that no BLACK man has ever walked in before. If he ever writes another autobiography, it will be one of the most interesting ever. A Black man with no real formal education becomes the most powerful man in the industry, despite hatred, racism, enemies in his OWN camps and a media willing to be bought to the highest bidder.
I’d be scared as hell if I was an enemy of MJ while he is with the multi-billionaires overseas. Believe me, they aren’t just over there discussing designer clothing. A conglomerate is in the making.\

In the end, Michael Jackson won’t be known for being an alleged child molester. And he won’t be known for great albums like ‘Thriller’ and 'Bad'.
"He will be known as the black man that fought the record industry and won and lived to tell the tale!!"
That is a book worth buying.
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Great points. One other thing. I think we may have underestimated this man's acting talents. We believed he was broke and weakened, but he was anything but. I think you are right that there may be some people who are scared as hell. We shall see. One small teenee tinee additional poing. It won't be a book. It will be a movie.

I thought this was kinda clever. http://www.michaeljacksonback.com/

gaias child
05-01-2010, 12:46 PM
I think because David Icke is well known/famous is his saving grace!! If David Icke died right now people would start to take even more notice of him and his books it will give David Icke more kudos!!
Today a lot of people still see David Icke as "Nuts" and the guy who goes on about the British Royal family turning into "Lizards" to some David Icke is still a "Joke" if they have even heard of him at all! The media know this! There are other ways to hurt people with out killing them you can bully and ridicule people and hurt them financially!
I know about Bill Cooper and I like him and I agree with him on a lot of things although I don't agree with owning guns it's like fighting fire with fire! Bill Cooper was a Christian where as David Icke has no religion.
I don't like Alex Jones at all because he said nasty and untrue stuff about Michael Jackson after Michael died.
I found this on the internet:

The music industry never swallowed Michael Jackson, they do not accept him? it as 'empresario'/'impresario'?, they wanted him as a single recording artist to capitalize on, remember Michael Jackson's protest against "Sony" the record label he was on?
This was written in 2006 before Michael Jackson died/was killed.
Christopher Hamilton, said a day with all reason?:
"Is it because Michael Jackson is a BLACK MAN?“ (Christopher Hamilton, 2006)
by Christopher Hamilton, Thursday, January 5th, 2006.
Source: "Is it because he is a black man?: What they do/don't want you to think of when you hear the name, Michael Jackson? "Wacko"? "Criminal"? "Great Entertainer"? "Businessman"?
Whatever you think of MJ, throw all your 'thoughts' out of the window and let’s examine some 'facts'.
For years the media has labeled him "Wacko Jacko". What happened to MJ? Wasn’t he the biggest thing in music at one point? When did he go crazy?
All anyone has to do is look when Michael started being portrayed as "Crazy". It wasn’t during the ‘Thriller’ years. It’s cool being a song and dance man. That’s what they want. Don’t dare become a thinking businessman!! Don’t dare buy The Beatles catalog!! Don’t dare marry Elvis’s daughter!! Don’t dare beat the record industry at their own game!!
Michael started being labeled "Crazy" when he began making business moves that no one had been successful at doing!!
Michael took two cultural icons and shattered them to pieces. All our lives, we’ve been bombarded with two facts. "The Beatles were the greatest group of all time" and "Elvis was the King of Rock and Roll". Michael Jackson bought The Beatles and married the King’s daughter!! (if that ain’t literally sticking it to the man) If I wasn’t a cynic, I’d say Michael did the Lisa Marie Presley marriage thing just to stick it to the people who consider Elvis the King!
The Beatles were great, but they weren’t great enough to maintain publishing rights over their own songs.
Elvis was great, but he didn’t write his songs. His manager, Col. Tom Parker, was the mastermind behind Elvis… keeping him drugged with fresh subscription pills and doing all the paperwork.
Michael could do no wrong as an entertainer. ‘Off the Wall’, made him the first solo artist with four top ten singles!
‘Thriller’, is the biggest selling album of all time, with a then record seven top ten singles!
‘Bad’, the first album ever to spawn five number one songs (even ‘Thriller’ only had two number one songs)!
All this is cool. But that is all you better do. Sing and dance. But Michael wanted to be greater! He bought the legendary 'Sly and the Family Stone' catalog and no one really cared. But when he bought The Beatles, people noticed!
The "Sony merger" took the cake. Sony, in their eagerness to have a part of The Beatles catalog, agreed to a 50/50 merger with Jackson, thus forming "Sony/ATV music publishing". Now, Michael co-owns half of the entire publishing of all of Sony artists! Check out the complete lists of songs at sonyatv.com.
A sampling of the songs he owns the publishing rights to are over 900 country songs by artists such as Tammy Wynette, Kenny Rogers, Alabama.
All Babyface's written songs.
Latin songs by Selena and Enrique Iglesias.
Roberta Flack songs, Mariah Carey songs, Destiny’s Child’s songs. 2Pac, Biggie and Fleetwood Mac songs. In essence over 100,000 songs!!
“What is this man doing?” None of the greats did this! Not Bono, Springsteen, Sinatra. “Who does he think he is? Get whatever you can on him.”
To ‘get’ someone, you have to attack what they love the most. I’ll say no more on that.
The only man who even approaches MJ in taking on the industry is 'PRINCE' and to a lesser extent, 'GEORGE MICHAEL'! They went after poor George Michael, publicly outing the man as a homosexual. Prince fought hard and made his point, but nevertheless still had to resort to using a 'major record company' to distribute his materials. There is nothing wrong with that.
Prince would get the lion’s share, but the result were years of being labeled crazy and difficult.
The greatest moment for them was the Sneddon press conference. “We got him.” Never was such glee so evident. Who cares if we don't have evidence?
Michael Jackson was acquitted, he did not celebrate, he went home and left the USA. Best move ever! Now what is there left for the haters to do? He’s gone. “Gone, what do you mean he moved to Bahrain? Well, how the hell can we get him if he’s not here? Quick, get that columnist to write a series of articles on how MJ’s teetering on the brink of destruction. Oh we did that? Well, what else can we do?”
On the outer surface, it appears Michael is not doing anything to make money. Don’t even count the weekly sales of his CDs. 15,000 CDs a week is nothing for Michael!
The Sony/ATV catalog makes money for Michael Jackson every time he breathes! Serious money!! The fact that no one reports on the actual amount is proof of that!! They would rather you believe he is broke than tell you the truth!!
"Neverland" is still owned by MJ! The family home in Encino is still owned by MJ!
Michael still owns The Beatles songs through the merger with Sony as well as full ownership of his own songs. But, hey, that’s our little secret.
Michael Jackson is literally walking in the shoes that no BLACK man has ever walked in before. If he ever writes another autobiography, it will be one of the most interesting ever. A Black man with no real formal education becomes the most powerful man in the industry, despite hatred, racism, enemies in his OWN camps and a media willing to be bought to the highest bidder.
If Sony has any sense, right now they should offer to continue the partnership. That’s the only way they will make future money off of Michael’s catalogue. "Tommy Mattola" did not lose his job with Sony because he was a bad label head. Tommy Mattola was a casualty of war. MJ exposed him and Sony had to cut their losses. Companies do it all the time.
Notice no one at Sony nor did Matolla himself ever sue MJ for slander!!
Michael always was loyal to his bosses at Epic/Sony. Back at the 1984 Grammys, he even brought then label head "Walter Yetnikoff" on stage with him at one point.
He’s always thanked "Dave Glew", "Tommy Mattola" and others at Sony in his acceptance speeches.
Sony can still do right by Michael, but it may be too late. However, they still should make a goodwill gesture, but how many times do businesses do that?? If I were them, I’d still want MJ as an 'ally', not as an 'enemy'! It is/was a mutally profitable merger.
I’d be scared as hell if I was an enemy of MJ while he is with the multi-billionaires overseas. Believe me, they aren’t just over there discussing designer clothing. A conglomerate is in the making.
One last note, these facts that I write here should not be the only times you hear this, but the sad fact is it probably is!! I was worried that Michael would go down because of the uncertainty of the jury. That’s playing unfair. If I’m presenting these facts here at EURweb, you can believe the media knows it already as well. They aren’t salivating over everything MJ related just because he made ‘Thriller’! They know what’s up! Think about it!
That’s why I laugh when I see shows like BET’s ‘The Ultimate Hustler’. We all know who that is. (How can Damon Dash know who the ultimate hustler is anyway? He lost Roc-a-fella to Jay-Z.)
In the end, Michael Jackson won’t be known for being an alleged child molester. And he won’t be known for great albums like ‘Thriller’ and 'Bad'.
"He will be known as the black man that fought the record industry and won and lived to tell the tale!!"
That is a book worth buying.
Christopher Hamilton is a freelance entertainment writer. He can be reached for questions or comments at:
mrcjhamilton@hotmail.com
MJFriendship.de
http://www.mjfriendship.de/en
Sadly Michael Jackson did NOT live to tell the tale!! Michael Jackson was killed or died on 25th June 2009!! :(:(

Excellent post, very interesting, thanks for posting all that. I agree with you.

I also think that if David Icke died it would draw more attention to his work, although I can't help thinking maybe he is just not close enough, to exposing the core problems, people do tend to just die when researching info like haarp or project blue beam, these things affect our brain processing abilities frequencies, electromagnetic waves, whether it is deliberate or not I do not know but for certin all this electromagnetic stuff from mobile phones and masts, digital tv does effect us negatively. I'm not certain whether David Icke even covers this info, I've noticed too many researchers exposing this have died mysteriously, they can control us this way too.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml

I don't trust Alex JOnes at all, 80% of what he says he probably true with around 20% disinfo and distraction from the main problems

gaias child
06-01-2010, 05:22 PM
Heal the world study on lyrics makes teenagers more postive. These lyrics have a powerful effect on people's emotions

http://www.good.is/post/heal-the-world-helps-heal-the-world

I've put Michael's speech in quote box below

“Children… show me in their playful smiles… the divine in everyone… these children are a reminder of preciousness of all life… especially young lives untouched by hatred… prejudice… and greed… now when the world is so confused… and its problems so complicated… we need our children more than ever… the mission of Heal The World… my mission… is healing, pure and simple… to heal the world we must start by healing our children… being with them connect us to the deep wisdom of life… the simple goodness shines straight from their hearts… We have to heal our wounded planet… I wrote this song for everyone in our world… in an effort to bring global harmony


This is why Michael Jackson is the biggest threat to the Illuminati, I don’t need to prove to you any of their physiological war on our children, it is already discussed in this this forum with proof from Disney videos, and you can search for it on youtube you will be shocked at what you will see when you’ll know what they are feeding our children. I remember it was mentioned on TV that Michael didn’t allow TV in the house for his children unless it was supervised.

With ‘Heal The World’ Michael creates an anchor in people’s subconscious mind which remains in a long term memory. This means people go in a higher state of awareness. This is why love (L.O.V.E.) is so important.

gwynned
06-01-2010, 05:38 PM
This is why Michael Jackson is the biggest threat to the Illuminati, I don’t need to prove to you any of their physiological war on our children, it is already discussed in this this forum with proof from Disney videos, and you can search for it on youtube you will be shocked at what you will see when you’ll know what they are feeding our children. I remember it was mentioned on TV that Michael didn’t allow TV in the house for his children unless it was supervised.

With ‘Heal The World’ Michael creates an anchor in people’s subconscious mind which remains in a long term memory. This means people go in a higher state of awareness. This is why love (L.O.V.E.) is so important.

Thank you so much for this. I didn't know that Michael didn't allow TV, and I seriously regret all those years I allowed my children to watch it unsupervised, until I finally turned it off a few years ago. AND I totally agree with you about Alex Jones. I think one has to look beyond what people say to how their message is delivered. The Illuminati thrives on hopelessness, anger, fear, etc. Instead of empowering us, people like Alex Jones serve to make us believe that the man behind the curtain has more power than he really has. Michael, by remaining loving, joyful and kind, despite all of his personal sorrows, serves as a living example of remaining faithful to the LOVE that is clearly in his heart. He also demonstrates that LOVE is so much more powerful than fear because he speaks to our true nature.

andiliz
06-01-2010, 10:49 PM
Heal the world study on lyrics makes teenagers more postive. These lyrics have a powerful effect on people's emotions

http://www.good.is/post/heal-the-world-helps-heal-the-world

I've put Michael's speech in quote box below




This is why Michael Jackson is the biggest threat to the Illuminati, I don’t need to prove to you any of their physiological war on our children, it is already discussed in this this forum with proof from Disney videos, and you can search for it on youtube you will be shocked at what you will see when you’ll know what they are feeding our children. I remember it was mentioned on TV that Michael didn’t allow TV in the house for his children unless it was supervised.

With ‘Heal The World’ Michael creates an anchor in people’s subconscious mind which remains in a long term memory. This means people go in a higher state of awareness. This is why love (L.O.V.E.) is so important.
Michael Jackson let his kids watch the "DISNEY" channel and "Nickelodeon" (previously known as 'Pinwheel' from 1977 until 1981) an American cable television channel owned by "Viacom". Michael Jackson loved "Disney" and cartoons it was pure "escapism" to him!! Michael Jackson loved "escapism" and "MAGIC"!! MJ's kids also do see some kids movies/films. Michael Jackson loved films. Prince Jackson loves his 'computer games' like so many boys and some girls do today!

Michael Jackson quote: "I'm a collector of cartoons," he says. "All the #"Disney"# stuff, Bugs Bunny, the old MGM ones. I've only met one person who has a bigger collection than I do, and I was surprised — Paul McCartney. He's a cartoon fanatic. Whenever I go to his house, we watch cartoons. When we came here to work on my album (is MJ talking about his 1982 album 'Thriller'?), we rented all these cartoons from the 'studio' (is MJ maybe taking about 'Westlake Recording Studios', West Hollywood? or maybe 'Ocean Way Recording Studios', LA?), 'Dumbo' and some other stuff. It's real escapism. It's like everything's all right. It's like the world is happening now in a faraway city. Everything's fine."
I know Michael Jackson liked 'Donald Duck' (an American cartoon character from The Walt Disney Company).
I know Michael Jackson liked 'Morph' an X-Men superhero character from 'Marvel' comics.
Michael Jackson loved "Disneyland" (an American theme park in Anaheim, California). Michael Jackson also loved "Disneyworld" and "Disneyland, Paris".


You have to understand MJ's kids including 'Omer Bhatti' are 'MK Ultra' kids just like MJ was a 'Monarch child'.
RACISM is part of why MJ was killed see this:

Michael probably alienated himself from SONY further when he went to the Harlem, New York headquarters of the Reverend Al Sharpton's "National Action Network" to lend his support to a coalition the two men recently formed with attorney "Johnnie Cochran" (who is now dead!!) to examine whether the music industry is cheating artists out of profits.
Quoting Michael Jackson from the press conference:

"The record companies really do conspire against the artists, especially the BLACK artists" Michael Jackson told the crowd of 350 fans.

"When you fight for me, you're fighting for all BLACK people, dead and alive. We have to put a stop to this incredible injustice!" = Michael Jackson said this.

gaias child
08-01-2010, 08:34 AM
I know MIchael like disney cartoons, but I also heard him say on an interview that he didn't allow the children tv, he preferred to play games and interact. it was occasional birthdays and things and they would watch disney cartoons then.



Do you know about the subliminal pornographic images in Disney cartoons. what they do is affect our consciousness and they do it through the media, movies education etc. The drip drip effect of all these things conditions us and mind manipulates us.

There are literally hundreds of examples on youtube here is a short one



Disney Porn? (Subliminal Messages) - YouTube

gaias child
08-01-2010, 09:15 AM
I did't know about mind control 15 years ago. But after I was a vitness to mind control. Under control was my friend. It was going for me (when she lived with me) 6 months, for her 1 year. At beging I did not reconice her, she was very diferent from the girl I knew. I made everything possible to break that control. And with help another friends we stop what was happenning. Now she lives happy life and when we speak about that, she don't belive that this shit was going with her.

Who did this stuff to your friend, do you know, what it was part of.

andiliz
08-01-2010, 07:49 PM
I know MIchael like disney cartoons, but I also heard him say on an interview that he didn't allow the children tv, he preferred to play games and interact. it was occasional birthdays and things and they would watch disney cartoons then.



Do you know about the subliminal pornographic images in Disney cartoons. what they do is affect our consciousness and they do it through the media, movies education etc. The drip drip effect of all these things conditions us and mind manipulates us.

There are literally hundreds of examples on youtube here is a short one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_4Pe_kPNb0&feature=related

Michael Jackson didn't see anything wrong with his kids watching Disney cartoons and the Disney channel and Nickelodeon.
Michael Jackson LOVED Disney he wouldn't ever say a bad word about Disney!!
But I do agree with you about Disney. Disney have conned us into believing their cartoons and 'Disneyland' are wholesome fun for all the family!!!!
Michael Jackson was conned/brainwashed/mind controlled by Disney it makes me cry. Michael loved cartoons, Peter Pan, Joseph Merrick (who was an Englishman who became known as "The Elephant Man"), Charlie Chaplin, The Three Stooges, Benny Hill, 'ET', babies, children, animals, nature, candy/sweets, KFC, art, books, various films/movies, musicals, music, dancing, showbiz and he loved new technology and MAGIC.
We are trying to research MJ's death and what happened to him! I know Disney is connected with the illuminati.
You have to understand Michael Jackson wasn't an educated, middle class 'hippie parent'. Michael Jackson was a very intelligent, sharp and creative man but he wasn't educated in the formal sense.
Michael Jackson was an abused child and a 'child star' (from a poor, black, working class background) who grew into a childlike artist, creative genius and very wealthy BLACK businessman! Michael was a victim of his own success and a victim of racist 'Hollywood' and the illuminati! Michael spent a large part of his life in 'Hollywood'.

Michael Jackson would agree with you that kids shouldn't spend all their time playing on computer games and watching television but he saw 'Disney' as wholesome and ok for kids. Michael felt parents should spend time playing with their children, talking to them, having dinner round the table together in the evening and reading stories to them at bedtime things like that. Michael felt kids needed 'emotional support'.
A lot of kids are just left with computer games these days and the parents don't help their kids with homework and stuff like that. Michael spoke a lot about the break down of family life.

andiliz
08-01-2010, 10:23 PM
I really don't trust/like Uri Geller does anyone know if he was in LA at the time of Michael Jackson's death?

Uri Geller is to sue America's leading television news channel CNN after it broadcast an allegation that he had betrayed his friend Michael Jackson for £100,000.

The legal action is the latest controversy to emerge from the claims and counter-claims arising out of the events that followed Jackson's death last year.

In his case for defamation, the psychic entertainer says he was victim of a vicious email campaign after Michael Jackson's dermatologist 'Dr. Arnold Klein' publicly accused him on CNN of profiting from the controversial documentary of the pop star's life fronted by 'Martin Bashir'. Geller, a British citizen, is bringing a 'High Court' action in the UK after failing to win an adequate apology from CNN for what he says are totally false and unfounded allegations. The case concerns a broadcast in July when Arnold Klein, the star's former dermatologist, told veteran TV presenter Larry King in July that Geller had "sold Michael Jackson" to ITV for $200,000.

Klein said: "In that interview, Michael was sort of assured that he'd paint him as a normal person. And they painted him as an absolute strange person."

andiliz
09-01-2010, 12:01 AM
Statement from Steven M. Hoefflin, M.D., F.I.C.S., F.A.C.S.

I am personally going to put a stop to all of the threats on my life and the
threats against my family.
I am now bringing out to the public all of the credible evidence in my
possession on the corruption in Los Angeles Law Enforcement pertaining
to the Michael Jackson Investigation. I am going to personally stop all of
the threats from the LAPD on my life and the threats against my family.
These are occurring because those members of law enforcement know
that I possess abundant incriminating evidence that is going to put a lot of
people in prison.
I am not going to allow and will expose those people who are colluding
together, such as 'Diane Dimond' of Entertainment Tonight, with the police
to use false documents to threaten me, obstruct my independent
investigation into Michael’s death and to stop me from providing evidence
to the proper authorities.
All of the people that have been threatening my family and I that I have
incriminating evidence on are going to be exposed with this evidence in
the public eye so they will stop their attempts on my life that I have been
experiencing for too long. For me to wait for the slow wheels of
government investigations to catch on and bring these people to justice is
no longer feasible.
Colin Powell is a friend of mine. I have already called his house and left a
message for him. I am asking him to engage a congressional investigation
into all of the LAPD and Los Angeles Sherriff Department Law
Enforcement Corruption in Los Angeles that is taking place in the Michael
Jackson and other important investigations that is ruining our city. I want a
Congressional Committee to subpoena these people, put them under
oath, gather credible evidence for a good District Attorney, and bring them
to proper justice. I have already asked Bob Woodward to report on this
matter in the Washington Post.
I am going to put an end to these threats now. I owe it to my family. I owe
it to myself. But, most of all, I owe it to the public who always wants to
know the truth and especially the truth about what happened to Michael
Jackson.
In reference to yesterday’s lawsuit filed against me by 'Dr. Arnold Klein', I
am established Government Witness in the Michael Jackson Death
Investigation. It is my clear opinion that Dr. Arnold Klein and his attorneys
are attempting to prevent me from discussing incriminating evidence that I
possess on Dr. Klein. They know that I have provided this evidence to the
authorities. They also know that credible, incriminating evidence is going
to be shortly released in my book. In my opinion and that of others, they
desperately want me to stop any further investigation and to stop providing
the public and the authorities the evidence that I acquire.

It is my opinion that Dr. Klein is using a letter with falsified information sent
to him by Howard Weitzman, Esq. In July 2009, I was asked to have a
privileged meeting with Mr. Weitzman and another attorney. I shared
incriminating evidence that I possessed on Dr. Klein and that he was
under investigation by multiple agencies of the Department of Justice. Mr.
Weitzman told me that he would neither talk with Dr. Klein, would not
provide him any defense, nor would he assist his defense attorneys.
On August 1st, 2009, after that privileged legal meeting, Mr. Weitzman
prepared a letter with false information to Dr. Klein’s defense attorney, Mr.
Charnley, in an attempt to discredit me. The false information in his letter
was known to be false by both he and Mr. John Branca. Mr. Weitzman
had told me he had discussed it with Mr. Branca. Mr. Weitzman falsely
stated that I had no permission nor right to talk about Michael or his
mother. H also stated that he and Mr. Branca did not condone me
providing evidence to the public about Dr. Klein’s criminal activities, that
may have actually contributed to Michael’s death, the very person who’s
estate they now represent.
Shortly after the publication of his letter containing false information, I had
left Katherine Jackson’s home, and Mr. Weitzman, my wife and I had a
telephone conversation. We requested that he provide a corrected letter
to Mr. Charnley, to the media who requested a correction, and to send a
copy to me. He already had the hand-written and signed consents from
both Michael Jackson in March 1999 giving me permission to publically
discuss his medical records and from Katherine and Rebbie Jackson from
July 18, 2009 giving me permission to talk with the media about Michael.
He told me that he had discussed the issue with Mr. Branca and that both
of them agreed to provide me, Mr. Charnley and the media with a
corrected letter. Both of them failed to do this despite having documents
proving the information in Mr. Weitzman’s letter was false.
On July 24th, 2009, I had corresponded about the issue of slander and
defamation with one of Dr. Klein’s lawyers, Mr. Boyer. I invited Dr. Klein
and Mr. Boyer to sit down with me and go over all of the evidence that I
had on Dr. Klein’s criminal activities and that I would delete anything that
they proved to be false. I never heard back from them. His client, Dr.
Klein, also had knowledge of my being given consents by Michael
Jackson and by Katherine and Rebbie Jackson to discuss Michael and his
medical records.
Dr. Klein, all of his attorneys Richard Charnley, Bradley Boyer, Susan
Wootton and the firm “Ropers, Majestic, Kohn, and Bentley” together with
Howard Weitzman and now apparently John Branca knew of the falsity of
Weitzman’s letter, yet are attempting to use it in their attempts to bring a
frivolous lawsuit against me, obstruct my testimony, and to discredit me.
With this evidence, I have contacted the Attorney General of California,
Jerry Brown. I expect that he will put a stay on this lawsuit because he
would never allow a court to proceed in an action that would obstruct one
of their primary witnesses (myself) in a federal investigation. In addition, I
expect that he will now open an additional investigation into probable
felonies that all of these individuals have committed in attempting to
obstruct justice, intimidating a government witness with a document that is
known to be false, and possibly other crimes.
I believe that with this evidence, I now have a legal standing to bring a
lawsuit against all of them, which I certainly will, for possible felonies
committed against me.
I am going to start providing the media and Michael Jackson’s fans all of
the evidence that I have involving the Michael Jackson Death
Investigation, the Corrupt Los Angeles Law Enforcement, and others
colluding together to obstruct Justice. If anyone wants to file another
slander and defamation suit, I suggest that they send a copy directly to the
Attorney General of California Jerry Brown.
Those trying to hurt my family and I should stop because all of the
evidence that we possess will not be with us but with the public.

Steven M. Hoefflin, M.D., F.I.C.S., F.A.C.S.

Sincerely,
Steven M. Hoefflin, MD, FACS
Immediate Past President
Los Angeles Society of Plastic Surgeons
________________________________________________

meksar
09-01-2010, 10:12 AM
The Zionists are the lowest filth on the planet and they will get theirs eventually

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

andiliz
09-01-2010, 10:59 PM
The Zionists are the lowest filth on the planet and they will get theirs eventually

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dYjaHGRrB0&feature=related

Right on brothers and sisters!! see this Michael Jackson's black panther video:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The Zionists are now after Tiger Woods.

2013
11-01-2010, 12:27 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1242049/Michael-Jackson-WAS-murdered-Death-certificate-amended-coroner-police-investigation.html
Michael Jackson WAS murdered: Death certificate amended by coroner after police investigation
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:27 PM on 10th January 2010


Michael Jackson’s death has been officially ruled as murder, it was revealed today.
The cause of death on the 50-year-old’s death certificate has been amended to 'homicide' after months of speculation.
According to the document the King of Pop died from ‘acute Propofol intoxication’ due to an ‘intravenous injection from another’


On the original certificate issued on July 7 deputy coroner Cheryl MacWillie refused to give a cause of death.
However after further investigations, the certificate was amended and re-released in August by medical examiner Christopher Thomas. It now states the cause of death on 25th June 2009 as 'homicide'.


full story via link :D

layzie kidd
11-01-2010, 12:33 AM
This is very interesting, theres tons of "facts". Ive never seen more concrete material to make me think he actually did it.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2009/06/michael-jackson-is-gone-but-the-sad-facts-remain.html


Anyone ever read that? This is the only thing that has made me think that michael jackson did it. And before I was all for the idea that he didnt. And dont get me wrong im a huge MJ fan and understand what he was all about and can tell you every little detail about him and I own all his albums and seen every video.

But that link has tons of info, so much I could barely finish one article. It even has mentions of federal reserve lending him free money and satanic ritual amongst other things.

For a person of his caliber of fame and power, it wouldent be hard to get his hands on however many children he wants and get away with it.

But the only thing thats been keeping me from thinking otherwise is his message of love and his awareness. He was definetly awake.What if he was taking part in what some of the scum bag elite do and just wanted to expose it after feeling remorse? It could be true.

A lot of things were spot on to tiny details like his tendencysay "I dont know" or "I dont remember" in court cases. And this has been proven true because in videos where he has court hearings and such (about 3 or more) hes always saying it when it comes to tuff questions.

But the other thing that has me iffy about the link is that its a popular magazine site. So I dont know. : /

Im positive those articles will change the way you think of him. It has a few things involving elite conspiracy and such.

andiliz
11-01-2010, 01:57 AM
Michael Jackson was a wonderful, fantastic person who only did GOOD!! Michael Jackson was about L.O.V.E. and giving. Michael Jackson was a victim of extortion. See this video:
PROOF that Michael was INNOCENT and FRAMED! Michael Jackson Extortion Plot Exposed!! How about that? - YouTube

layzie kidd
11-01-2010, 03:22 AM
Michael Jackson was a wonderful, fantastic person who only did GOOD!! Michael Jackson was about L.O.V.E. and giving. Michael Jackson was a victim of extortion. See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzTntSJot_8


Im sure if you read what I posed, the link. You might think otherwise.

linda28
11-01-2010, 08:02 AM
Im sure if you read what I posed, the link. You might think otherwise.

You mean this article-

"I even found the business manager who told me on-the-record how he had had to wire $150,000 to a voodoo chief in Mali who had 42 cows ritually sacrificed in order to put a curse on David Geffen, Steven Spielberg, and 23 others on Jackson’s enemies list."

If we start to look into all the people that so desperately wants to make money and attention out of Michael's name, we wouldn't get anything else done. Lies, lies lies.

If he was guilty of child abuse, there would definitely be things that pointed to it one way or the other, like with R. Kelly, and that other director dude who got jail time.

Have you read the transcript of the 2005 trial? Have you watched the video of the boy who claimed MJ abused him when he was in the shrink's office? It's so obvious he was a liar, and the jury found MJ innocent based on his behavior in that taped session.

The brother of the "abused child" claimed he saw, from a long distance, in the hallway, all dark, that MJ did sex acts on his brother. Yeah right, as if MJ would leave the door OPEN IF doing so. MJ also had an alarm that always went off when people passed through the stairs, so he would definitely NOT expose himself doing such acts. The brother lied so much.

The truth is, these kids got greedy when MJ did not want to have them in his life any longer. The mother of the kids has a history of suing people for money, based on nothing. She did not know, that she was caught on tape saying AFTER the Bashir doc, that the media was crazy for saying Michael "touched" her son. And that she knew he was a great caring loving person.

It's important to remember that these accusations came AFTER the documentary aired, the boy claimed nothing happened BEFORE, but AFTER, so it's not likely that Michael would go and abuse someone after having been portrayed this bad all over the world.

michael_mac
11-01-2010, 09:59 AM
Michael Jackson was a wonderful, fantastic person who only did GOOD!! Michael Jackson was about L.O.V.E. and giving. Michael Jackson was a victim of extortion. See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzTntSJot_8

Michael Jackson was a mixed up individual who gave out mixed messages. For example one of his biggest hits was "BAD" now what does that mean? :confused: To most children BAD is doing something wrong! But Michael Jackson use of the word meant BAD = GOOD! I know he didn't create this nuance of the word or use, it was a general term used in black street lingo before this, but Jackson popularised it's use! How many children have copied him and done BAD things - behaved badly - because Michael Jackson sang "WHO'S BAD!" Subliminally conditioning them to behave badly in the false belief that it was GOOD!

gaias child
11-01-2010, 01:37 PM
If anyone still believes MIchael was guilty, they should actuall look at all the information not just the information being put out by those who agenda was to destroy MJ through character assassination and his career. The reasons

1 he no longer wished to be a puppet of the music industry, and spoke out publicly on corruption by Sony and the system.

2. He wanted to use his position to help the world be a better place. He spoke out against war and healing our world through our children, he was completely right.

3 He believed the agenda against him was to destroy his career, and force him into a situation to sell his sony/atv publishing catelogue.

Everysingle person that has done what Michael did ends up having character assassination, false acussations and or dead, the list includes John Lennon, Tupac, Bob Marley President Kennedy, Princess Diana and sadly many others some people are not famous, but journalists that expose t hings and scientists.

Here is a youtube by Azja Pryor Chris Tucker Partner who also knew the ariviso and about the false accusations

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Here is a youtube of Michael speech on healing our children and heal the kids initiative

Michael Jackson - Oxford Speech 2001 (part 1/4) w/ full text - YouTube


Michael on the importance of love and unity in the world and the ending of war before it is too late

Michael Jackson speech about Freedom and Love. Dont forget his words! Rest in Peace Michael. - YouTube


Michael's speech against sony

Killer Thriller Part 2 MJ Speech - YouTube




Michael was also a threat to tptb when the agenda is orchestrating wars in order to bring forward the agenda of global domination. NWO

gaias child
11-01-2010, 01:48 PM
Michael Jackson was a mixed up individual who gave out mixed messages. For example one of his biggest hits was "BAD" now what does that mean? :confused: To most children BAD is doing something wrong! But Michael Jackson use of the word meant BAD = GOOD! I know he didn't create this nuance of the word or use, it was a general term used in black street lingo before this, but Jackson popularised it's use! How many children have copied him and done BAD things - behaved badly - because Michael Jackson sang "WHO'S BAD!" Subliminally conditioning them to behave badly in the false belief that it was GOOD!

Most people are mixed up individuals what society calls normal inmo is actually extremely abnormal ie war etc

This is a 25 year old song, from the 80s. Michael was a puppet of the music industry he released what he was told too, but he did not want to be. That is why he chose to expose it and is part of the reason for the agenda against him. since the early 90s MJ songs were mostly human rights songs and many were purely for charity, every penny from every tour he did was given to charity. If you read the lyrics of his songs it is clear he was very aware of how the system worked. Hardly surprising given he was a victim of it

earth song
heal the world
they don't care about us
stranger in moscow
childhood
tabloid junkie
we have had enough
money
black or white
History
will you be there
How much more can I give
Man in the mirror
the lost children

No one writes songs about love and unity and healing the world any more it is all about glorifying drugs war etc, why don't you pick on the artists singing those songs rather that someone who was trying their best in a very difficult situation to do some good in the world.

His life must was hell and the paps and the flash from photogrpahy in your face every time to go out, must have been hell and the horrific lies and the evil agenda against him makes me despair when I think of what humans will do to eachother for greed. The evil were those who brought this agenda against Michael

andiliz
11-01-2010, 10:24 PM
Most people are mixed up individuals what society calls normal inmo is actually extremely abnormal ie war etc

This is a 25 year old song, from the 80s. Michael was a puppet of the music industry he released what he was told too, but he did not want to be. That is why he chose to expose it and is part of the reason for the agenda against him. since the early 90s MJ songs were mostly human rights songs and many were purely for charity, every penny from every tour he did was given to charity. If you read the lyrics of his songs it is clear he was very aware of how the system worked. Hardly surprising given he was a victim of it

earth song
heal the world
they don't care about us
stranger in moscow
childhood
tabloid junkie
we have had enough
money
black or white
History
will you be there
How much more can I give
Man in the mirror
the lost children

No one writes songs about love and unity and healing the world any more it is all about glorifying drugs war etc, why don't you pick on the artists singing those songs rather that someone who was trying their best in a very difficult situation to do some good in the world.

His life must was hell and the paps and the flash from photogrpahy in your face every time to go out, must have been hell and the horrific lies and the evil agenda against him makes me despair when I think of what humans will do to eachother for greed. The evil were those who brought this agenda against Michael
Gaias Child your posts are great and very true.
See this clip of 'USA for Africa' "We Are The World": YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
What a great list of songs:
earth song
heal the world
they don't care about us
stranger in moscow
childhood
tabloid junkie
We've had enough
money
black or white
HIStory
will you be there
How much more can I give (this song is in fact called "What more can I Give")
Man in the mirror
The lost children

"We are the World" is also a great song!!
There was a charity song by MJ called "From the Bottom of my Heart" which never came out.
Do you remember the 'Hands across America' event??
"Cry" (also titled "Cry (We Can Change the World)") is also a great song.
I also love "Can You Feel It" by The Jacksons.
I also love the song "Privacy".
There is so much great stuff on MJ's "Bad", "Dangerous", "HIStory" and "Invincible" albums.
And when MJ was in 'The Jacksons' group he was doing great stuff back then too!

Michael Jackson cared so much about the environment and the rainforests and he of course sings about this in his song "Earth Song". I think that was part of his message when he decided to do his 'This Is It' tour. I know MJ had a bigger message a message of L.O.V.E., peace, hope, save & love the children of the world and save the rainforests and the environment.

"Planet Earth" a poem by Michael Jackson:

"Planet Earth, my home, my place
A capricious anomaly in the sea of space
Planet Earth are you just
Floating by, a cloud of dust
A minor globe, about to bust
A piece of metal bound to rust
A speck of matter in a mindless void
A lonely spaceship, a large asteroid.
Cold as a rock without a hue
Held together with a bit of glue
Something tells me this isn't true
You are my sweetheart soft and blue
Do you care, have you a part
In the deepest emotions of my own heart
Tender with breezes caressing and whole
Alive with music, haunting my soul.
In my veins I've felt the mystery
Of corridors of time, books of history
Life songs of ages throbbing in my blood
Have danced the rhythm of the tide and flood
Your misty clouds, your electric storm
Were turbulent tempests in my own form
I've licked the salt, the bitter, the sweet
Of every encounter, of passion, of heat
Your riotous color, your fragrance, your taste
Have thrilled my senses beyond all haste
In your beuaty, I've known the how
Of timeless bliss, this moment of now.
Planet Earth are you just
Floating by, a cloud of dust
A minor globe, about to bust
A piece of metal bound to rust
A speck of matter in a mindless void
A lonely spacship, a large asteroid
Cold as a rock without a hue
Held together with a bit of glue
Something tells me this isn't true
You are my sweetheart gentle and blue
Do you care, have you a part
In the deepest emotions of my own heart
Tender with breezes caressing and whole
Alive with music, haunting my soul.
Planet Earth, gentle and blue
With all my heart, I love you."

I don't trust Deepak Chopra at all but he did say one interesting thing: "Michael Jackson was working on a song about 'climate change' in the days before his death".
Deepak Chopra said: "The trees are our lungs, the rivers our circulation , the air our breath, and the earth our body recycled".

layzie kidd
12-01-2010, 05:32 AM
Thank you guys for restoring my trust back in Michael :D

That one little thing made me doubt him before, but I see how its total bs. I was thinking how could a man thats aware of eternal love do that to a child?

He didnt.

timmy
12-01-2010, 06:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67

Check all her videos, you will understand a lot about, what was going on in Michael life.

biozama
13-01-2010, 01:14 AM
Was MJ MK Ultra?
Abused from 5 years old and Monarch programming?

timmy
13-01-2010, 02:31 AM
Was MJ MK Ultra?
Abused from 5 years old and Monarch programming?
I believe he was. How 5 y.o. child supouse to know that WHAT adults do to him -it's absolutely abnormally and wrong?! He has grown in the closed society and all that occured in his life for him was normal. It just my thinking.
But after he "broke free", he understood what really was going on. I think that was the time when his problems started.
It just my thinking base on all information I reserch.

andiliz
13-01-2010, 03:33 AM
I believe he was. How 5 y.o. child supouse to know that WHAT adults do to him -it's absolutely abnormally and wrong?! He has grown in the closed society and all that occured in his life for him was normal. It just my thinking.
But after he "broke free", he understood what really was going on. I think that was the time when his problems started.
It just my thinking base on all information I reserch.
Some say Michael Jackson's Monarch programming started from birth is this true?
Or maybe it started when his mother Katrherine joined the Jehovah's Witnesses?
It is a similar story to Judy Garland.
Roseanne Barr has spoken about Michael Jackson being MK Ultra.

gaias child
13-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Most of the top Pop stars appear to have been picked up as children and were puppets to be programmed from begining to be stars, ie Brittany Spears, and Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguilera were in all in the Disney club as children and we know Disney uses programming to mind manipulate or brainwash child and they also put subliminal pornographic messages into kids films released to the public.

Even Alicia Key was a child star, starring in the Cosby Show as a little girl. Also have you seen the lyrics to Jay Z empire state of mind, some make it clear whose side they are on, he knows the agenda, and that when the NWO gets in it is about depopulating the world, these are some of the lyrics in empire state of mind.

city it's a pity half of y’all won’t make it,
me I gotta plug a special and I got it made,
If Jeezy's payin LeBron, I’m paying Dwayne Wade

and Jesus can’t save you life starts when the church ends,


Michael was against the illuminati and did everything he could but was silenced and character assassinated to silence him. His message of love and unity globally, did more to harm the illuminati plans than any one. They use religon to divide people globally and create and profit out of wars and to keep the power over the world. He understood the agenda and knew the solution as well as the best way to address it to keep himself safe. I'm amazed he survived as long as he did. Michael was an inspiration, he put his life at risk for the greater good,he knew it was likely they would kill him

The whole Monarch Mkultra thing is quite a topic, I did not believe it at first but I do now. I read in Robin de Ruiter book that they even have complexes breeding babies to sacrifice at these rituals, this seems so unbelievable but I have a horrid feeling it is true.

Timmy, do you know who it was who did this stuff to your friend in your earlier post, and what they did?

layzie kidd
13-01-2010, 03:34 PM
Brace Taylor, mkultra victum and such said she sw the jackson 5 get raped. http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-was-raped.html
Im not sure if I believe that though. The thing that has me on her side somewhat is the other testimony of the mkultra victims that are very similar.


Well you know the other thing about Michael Jackson is his flat out lying with a straight face. You know, the whole martin bashier thing when he asked him about how many nose jobs hes had, just simply lied. And about his chin and other things.

Then the other thing that really got to me was the whole thing when they asked if Blankets mother was black, and he straight up lied on that one too. We all know blankets mom is not black, and theres the possibility that the Sergeant mother could be Omar Bhattis mother. Theres been footage of Bhatti holding blanket and such at young age.

Theres this thing about being aware and wisdom. Just because youre aware dosent mean you have that much understanding or wisdom. Because why would you care so much about what people think about something thats so obvious that you would lie about it? He doesnt have to answer it exact straight foward, but he doesnt have to be worried enough what people think that he has to lie (like the surgery thing).

But what contradicts that last paragraph is that even though be called a child molester he still admits that theirs nothing wrong with sharing a bed, although he didnt admit to sleeping in it with the kids in that 60 minute interview (probably to avoid a repeat of what happened in the bashier interview with the raiding) he does pretty much imply that he does do it.

stopthemadness
13-01-2010, 05:01 PM
Because the next time I saw him in public (after his treatments) he was very different. It was like he looked out of his eyes differently. I think he really was burned (intentionally) but that something else happened during his recovery and treatments. First of all, his jawline was changed.

I think the last video he did before this alteration was "Say Say" with Paul McCartney. Look at Michael's jaw. It is kind of short. Then look at his jaw in "We are the World". It is much different. His head went from a round shape to to the beginnings of Max Headroom.


You are aware that the real Paul McCartney died in a car crash in the mid 1960's aren't you? He was replaced by a singer named Billy Shepherd, Shepard? Billy took the persona of Paul McCartney & has been fooling the world ever since. Many of the Beatles songs refer to this accident & the subsequent ruse of bringing in another Paul McCartney. Timeline roughly:

-McCartney killed in car wreck
-Beatles release "White Album" with no photos of any band members
-Next album with photos is Sgt. Pepper where they all look like hippies with moustaches & long hair (along with Aleister Crowley's pic etc.).

There was period spanning several years where there were no public photos of Paul McCartney. Comparing facial characteristics of the pre-White-Album McCartney to the Sgt. Pepper Album McCartney clearly shows two different people. They gave Billy a chin implant & various other plastic surgeries. But in the end, it's quite clear to anyone who researches it that the original Paul McCartney has been dead for a long time.

gaias child
13-01-2010, 07:06 PM
Brace Taylor, mkultra victum and such said she sw the jackson 5 get raped. http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-was-raped.html
Im not sure if I believe that though. The thing that has me on her side somewhat is the other testimony of the mkultra victims that are very similar.


Well you know the other thing about Michael Jackson is his flat out lying with a straight face. You know, the whole martin bashier thing when he asked him about how many nose jobs hes had, just simply lied. And about his chin and other things.

.

I'm not sure I believe Brice Taylor, I've read by those pretty knowledgeable that she is a programmed CIA plant to spread disinfo, although I do belive in monarch mkultra. Michael was abused he says himself I'm not sure about the sexual abuse but who knows.

These things were all covered in the forum when Michael died. The thing is he didn't lie it was edited to make it look like he lied. If you watch the footage that was edited that Michael filmed himself that you were not meant to see, you can see for yourself, also it is in the court transcripts that the MB documentary was edited to make michael look bad when the documentary was supposed to be about the life of Michael and Michael only did it because Martin Bashir promised they would highlight his charitable work with aids in children in africa,.this was the agenda against him. Michael admitted plastic surgery he just denied having cheek implants and his eyes done and said that stuff was BS not that him having plastic surgery was BS but it looked like that because it was edited too. Also he admits in his autobiography moonwalk the plastic surgery. His nose and the burns etc and the cleft in his chin.

Besides why this constant scrutiny of MJ and plastic surgery, everyone in Hollywood has plastic surgery it is like going to the dentist or hairstylist over there.

They could have done a wonderful documentary on Michael including highlighting all the good work he had done, but they chose to destroy someones life

Theres this thing about being aware and wisdom. Just because youre aware dosent mean you have that much understanding or wisdom. Because why would you care so much about what people think about something thats so obvious that you would lie about it? He doesnt have to answer it exact straight foward, but he doesnt have to be worried enough what people think that he has to lie (like the surgery thing).



But he didn't actually lie, as explained above.

Also it is important not to judge others when we have not walked in their shoes, Michael was the most hunted celebrity after princess diana, we cannot imagine how invaded people must feel, to have no privacy whatsoever,this is not normal under any circumstances to expect people to be able to cope with this kind of invasion. Many a celebrity with a fraction of invasion that Michael received has lost it and thumped the paps, Michael behaved with dignity and grace in this situation and is an inspiration.

But what contradicts that last paragraph is that even though be called a child molester he still admits that theirs nothing wrong with sharing a bed, although he didnt admit to sleeping in it with the kids in that 60 minute interview (probably to avoid a repeat of what happened in the bashier interview with the raiding) he does pretty much imply that he does do it.


You have to remember that Michael came from a very large poor family 8 brothers and sisters and 2 rooms where they all shared a bed, there was nothing wrong with it in his mind. Also remember his bedroom was a suite larger than most peoples homes on 2 floors.

I personally don't see anything wrong with what he said, sharing a bed does not equal abuse, the fact that a case was brough against him with no evidence whatsoever and the most expensive criminal investigation ever launched shows the agenda.

You should read the book redemption by Geraldine HUghes, she was a secretary for Evan Chandlers lawyers and she revealed that case was a set up of Michael, also read the court transcripts or the Michael Jackson conspiracy by Aphrodite Jones, she was a fox journalist who believed MJ was guilty, but when she covered the trials recognised that the media printed no truth from the trials and just made up lies, there was no evidence and if there had been they would have found it with the level of investigation and set up that took place. Lucky for Michael it became clear it was a set up.

Also remember Gavin Ariviso had 4th stage terminal cancer, most people do not survive, he survived because Michael helped him and provided his medical care and holistic care, as he had done for thousands of other terminally ill children. Gavin's Mother was getting other celebrities to also pay for Gavin treatment ,when it was already covered by medical insurance, she had also accused others of sexual abuse in the past order to extort money and got her children to lie, this was proven in court, the children lying was also proven, so go figure.

andiliz
13-01-2010, 07:49 PM
Michael Jackson was completely innocent and the FBI back this up!!
The FBI tried for more than a decade to build a case against Michael Jackson over allegations of molesting young boys including having him under surveillance while he was in London, newly-released documents reveal.

Details of the extraordinary efforts made by US authorities emerged in a 333-page FBI file made public under the Freedom of Information which is on the FBI website: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html

An FBI special agent travelled to Manila in the Philippines to interview former workers at the singer's 'Neverland' ranch. Officials believed the man and woman had witnessed him molesting boys when they worked at the ranch from 1988 to 1990.

The file states that a legal attache for the US embassy in London was sending back information regarding alleged sexual misconduct by Jackson in England — specifically a phone call to a teenage boy. The FBI file, which dates from 1992 to 1995, was released yesterday, almost six months after Jackson's death at the age of 50.

The FBI's plans to travel the world investigating the singer were made in 1993 — the same year that Jordan Chandler, then 13, accused Jackson of sexual abuse. Jackson settled out of court with Chandler for $22 million.

One document includes notes which state Jackson was riding on a train with a boy he identified as his cousin. The notes said “he was very possessive of boy” and claim a witness on the train “heard questionable noises through wall” at night.

The file also reveals that FBI agents from LA, New York and Miami were secretly involved in the 2005 child molestation case against Jackson. Agents were assigned to assist Santa Barbara county prosecutors in the trial. A jury found him not guilty of all sex abuse charges in 2005.

Tom Mesereau, who was Jackson's lead defence attorney during his trial, said the documents provide further proof the singer did nothing wrong.

“He was not a criminal and he was not a paedophile,” Mr Mesereau said. “The fact that so many agencies investigated him and couldn't find anything proves he was completely innocent.”
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ABOUT BLANKET'S biological parents:

A Mexican nurse named 'Helena' is believed to be the surrogate mother of Michael Jackson’s youngest child.

'Blanket', real name 'Prince Michael Jackson II', was born on February 21, 2002 at the 'Sharp Grossmont Hospital' in La Mesa, near San Diego in Southern California, however, his real mother still remains a mystery.

According to the Mirror, the ‘Thriller’ hitmaker paid Helena 20,000 dollars as surrogacy fee to have his child.

The child was conceived through IVF and Michael Jackson maybe donated his own sperm for the procedure? (the press has claimed everyone from Macaulay Culkin to Mark Lester to Dr. Arnold Klein to Alvin Malnik could of been the sperm donor?)

”Michael wanted a designer baby. He had two wonderful children but wanted one more and was quite specific on the gene pool he wanted to tap into,” a close friend of Jackson said.
MJ had chosen Helena after reviewing her background and family history.
“He chose 'Helena' because she had a 'Latino' background but she was also a US citizen and had quite fair skin,” said the friend.
”He liked her because she was very attractive and seemed stable, healthy, intelligent and had good eyesight. She was a nurse or medical assistant, which he also liked.
“She was around 5ft 4ins, slim, aged around 30 and had long, dark, straight hair. He said she was strait-laced, almost a girl next door type,” the friend added.

BUT WHO WAS THE EGG DONOR?

However, despite careful selection over the surrogate mum, little of her genetic attributes will have been passed on to 'Blanket' for an unknown woman was the egg donor.

The woman was paid a mere 3,500 dollars for her contribution and signed legal papers handing over all rights to the child.

And it is highly unlikely she knows that her eggs were involved.

Michael Jackson had approached IVF specialist Dr. Lila Schmidt for Blanket’s birth.

Schmidt, who is bound by confidentiality rules but can talk in general terms, said: “The surrogate is the carrier of the baby. The biological mom is the egg donor".

“The surrogate has NO connection to the child. It’s NOT their kid. On the birth certificate you can say whoever you want. That’s why you hire an attorney.

“The birth certificate can say Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse but there might NOT be any genetic relationship to the child.”


'Pia Bhatti' might be the egg donor. But also a receptionist and one of MJ's girlfriends 'Shana Mangatal' (who is mixed race maybe partly Indian and black? Shana was in MJ's film called "Ghosts") could be. So could another girlfriend of MJ's 'Romonica Harris' (who is a black woman) see link: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

La Toya Jackson says "Blanket is Hispanic" (this is maybe because of 'Helena' being Mexican).
Some say 'Blanket' is a clone but I don't think that is true.
I don't see why Michael Jackson has to tell us who Blanket's mother is he protected that woman (who ever she may be) from the press!! Michael Jackson was clever he kept us guessing!!

layzie kidd
16-01-2010, 09:13 PM
I'm not sure I believe Brice Taylor, I've read by those pretty knowledgeable that she is a programmed CIA plant to spread disinfo, although I do belive in monarch mkultra. Michael was abused he says himself I'm not sure about the sexual abuse but who knows.

These things were all covered in the forum when Michael died. The thing is he didn't lie it was edited to make it look like he lied. If you watch the footage that was edited that Michael filmed himself that you were not meant to see, you can see for yourself, also it is in the court transcripts that the MB documentary was edited to make michael look bad when the documentary was supposed to be about the life of Michael and Michael only did it because Martin Bashir promised they would highlight his charitable work with aids in children in africa,.this was the agenda against him. Michael admitted plastic surgery he just denied having cheek implants and his eyes done and said that stuff was BS not that him having plastic surgery was BS but it looked like that because it was edited too. Also he admits in his autobiography moonwalk the plastic surgery. His nose and the burns etc and the cleft in his chin.

Besides why this constant scrutiny of MJ and plastic surgery, everyone in Hollywood has plastic surgery it is like going to the dentist or hairstylist over there.

They could have done a wonderful documentary on Michael including highlighting all the good work he had done, but they chose to destroy someones life



But he didn't actually lie, as explained above.

Also it is important not to judge others when we have not walked in their shoes, Michael was the most hunted celebrity after princess diana, we cannot imagine how invaded people must feel, to have no privacy whatsoever,this is not normal under any circumstances to expect people to be able to cope with this kind of invasion. Many a celebrity with a fraction of invasion that Michael received has lost it and thumped the paps, Michael behaved with dignity and grace in this situation and is an inspiration.



You have to remember that Michael came from a very large poor family 8 brothers and sisters and 2 rooms where they all shared a bed, there was nothing wrong with it in his mind. Also remember his bedroom was a suite larger than most peoples homes on 2 floors.

I personally don't see anything wrong with what he said, sharing a bed does not equal abuse, the fact that a case was brough against him with no evidence whatsoever and the most expensive criminal investigation ever launched shows the agenda.

You should read the book redemption by Geraldine HUghes, she was a secretary for Evan Chandlers lawyers and she revealed that case was a set up of Michael, also read the court transcripts or the Michael Jackson conspiracy by Aphrodite Jones, she was a fox journalist who believed MJ was guilty, but when she covered the trials recognised that the media printed no truth from the trials and just made up lies, there was no evidence and if there had been they would have found it with the level of investigation and set up that took place. Lucky for Michael it became clear it was a set up.

Also remember Gavin Ariviso had 4th stage terminal cancer, most people do not survive, he survived because Michael helped him and provided his medical care and holistic care, as he had done for thousands of other terminally ill children. Gavin's Mother was getting other celebrities to also pay for Gavin treatment ,when it was already covered by medical insurance, she had also accused others of sexual abuse in the past order to extort money and got her children to lie, this was proven in court, the children lying was also proven, so go figure.

Yes I agree with what youre saying, im in no way insulting him or anything. But that still doesnt have anything to do with what I said: lying about the surgery and blankets mother.

I was never implying that he did those things to the children he shared his bed with. I said if he had wisdom, he would lie about the surgeries and just admit them, especially when its SO obvious hes had more than what he admitted to. And then I said well he must have a good amount of it because he admitted saying he does and doesnt find anything wrogn with sleeping in the same bed with children, i mentioned that as a good thing. Because it takes wisdom to admit something like that knowing how people feel about you, and i said it contridicts what I saying before about the surgery and blanket.

Michael Jackson was completely innocent and the FBI back this up!!
The FBI tried for more than a decade to build a case against Michael Jackson over allegations of molesting young boys including having him under surveillance while he was in London, newly-released documents reveal.

Details of the extraordinary efforts made by US authorities emerged in a 333-page FBI file made public under the Freedom of Information which is on the FBI website: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html

An FBI special agent travelled to Manila in the Philippines to interview former workers at the singer's 'Neverland' ranch. Officials believed the man and woman had witnessed him molesting boys when they worked at the ranch from 1988 to 1990.

The file states that a legal attache for the US embassy in London was sending back information regarding alleged sexual misconduct by Jackson in England — specifically a phone call to a teenage boy. The FBI file, which dates from 1992 to 1995, was released yesterday, almost six months after Jackson's death at the age of 50.

The FBI's plans to travel the world investigating the singer were made in 1993 — the same year that Jordan Chandler, then 13, accused Jackson of sexual abuse. Jackson settled out of court with Chandler for $22 million.

One document includes notes which state Jackson was riding on a train with a boy he identified as his cousin. The notes said “he was very possessive of boy” and claim a witness on the train “heard questionable noises through wall” at night.

The file also reveals that FBI agents from LA, New York and Miami were secretly involved in the 2005 child molestation case against Jackson. Agents were assigned to assist Santa Barbara county prosecutors in the trial. A jury found him not guilty of all sex abuse charges in 2005.

Tom Mesereau, who was Jackson's lead defence attorney during his trial, said the documents provide further proof the singer did nothing wrong.

“He was not a criminal and he was not a paedophile,” Mr Mesereau said. “The fact that so many agencies investigated him and couldn't find anything proves he was completely innocent.”
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ABOUT BLANKET'S biological parents:

A Mexican nurse named 'Helena' is believed to be the surrogate mother of Michael Jackson’s youngest child.

'Blanket', real name 'Prince Michael Jackson II', was born on February 21, 2002 at the 'Sharp Grossmont Hospital' in La Mesa, near San Diego in Southern California, however, his real mother still remains a mystery.

According to the Mirror, the ‘Thriller’ hitmaker paid Helena 20,000 dollars as surrogacy fee to have his child.

The child was conceived through IVF and Michael Jackson maybe donated his own sperm for the procedure? (the press has claimed everyone from Macaulay Culkin to Mark Lester to Dr. Arnold Klein to Alvin Malnik could of been the sperm donor?)

”Michael wanted a designer baby. He had two wonderful children but wanted one more and was quite specific on the gene pool he wanted to tap into,” a close friend of Jackson said.
MJ had chosen Helena after reviewing her background and family history.
“He chose 'Helena' because she had a 'Latino' background but she was also a US citizen and had quite fair skin,” said the friend.
”He liked her because she was very attractive and seemed stable, healthy, intelligent and had good eyesight. She was a nurse or medical assistant, which he also liked.
“She was around 5ft 4ins, slim, aged around 30 and had long, dark, straight hair. He said she was strait-laced, almost a girl next door type,” the friend added.

BUT WHO WAS THE EGG DONOR?

However, despite careful selection over the surrogate mum, little of her genetic attributes will have been passed on to 'Blanket' for an unknown woman was the egg donor.

The woman was paid a mere 3,500 dollars for her contribution and signed legal papers handing over all rights to the child.

And it is highly unlikely she knows that her eggs were involved.

Michael Jackson had approached IVF specialist Dr. Lila Schmidt for Blanket’s birth.

Schmidt, who is bound by confidentiality rules but can talk in general terms, said: “The surrogate is the carrier of the baby. The biological mom is the egg donor".

“The surrogate has NO connection to the child. It’s NOT their kid. On the birth certificate you can say whoever you want. That’s why you hire an attorney.

“The birth certificate can say Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse but there might NOT be any genetic relationship to the child.”


'Pia Bhatti' might be the egg donor. But also a receptionist and one of MJ's girlfriends 'Shana Mangatal' (who is mixed race maybe partly Indian and black? Shana was in MJ's film called "Ghosts") could be. So could another girlfriend of MJ's 'Romonica Harris' (who is a black woman) see link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJXNFfMvk1s

La Toya Jackson says "Blanket is Hispanic" (this is maybe because of 'Helena' being Mexican).
Some say 'Blanket' is a clone but I don't think that is true.
I don't see why Michael Jackson has to tell us who Blanket's mother is he protected that woman (who ever she may be) from the press!! Michael Jackson was clever he kept us guessing!!

Yes, if hes hispanic, why would he lie straight faced to the camera and say shes black? Thats what im speaking about, not anything else.

gaias child
17-01-2010, 12:50 PM
Yes I agree with what youre saying, im in no way insulting him or anything. But that still doesnt have anything to do with what I said: lying about the surgery and blankets mother.





But I did answer that question above and he did not lie, it was edited to make it look like he lied, you need to watch the series of the footage you were not meant to see. This is what I wrote to your question

The thing is he didn't lie it was edited to make it look like he lied. If you watch the footage that was edited that Michael filmed himself that you were not meant to see, you can see for yourself, also it is in the court transcripts that the MB documentary was edited to make michael look bad when the documentary was supposed to be about the life of Michael and Michael only did it because Martin Bashir promised they would highlight his charitable work with aids in children in africa,.this was the agenda against him.

Michael did admit plastic surgery he just denied having cheek implants and his eyes done and said that stuff was BS not that him having plastic surgery was BS but the cheek implants was bullshit. so it was edited too to make it look like he denies plastic surgery. Also he admits in his autobiography moonwalk the plastic surgery. His nose and the burns etc and the cleft in his chin.


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

You need to watch them all and understand how it was manipulated to attack Michael Jackson, it was covered in the trials too.


If you don't understand any of this though and you can't see through the veil of media manipulation, then you will never understand the agenda against MJ.

Yes, if hes hispanic, why would he lie straight faced to the camera and say shes black? Thats what im speaking about, not anything else.


I did not hear him say that the mother was black, can you provide a link to that information.

He was very private about protecting his children as he did want them to end up kidnapped and dead like the lindberg baby, this is reason for not wanting to give to much information.

andiliz
18-01-2010, 05:49 AM
But I did answer that question above and he did not lie, it was edited to make it look like he lied, you need to watch the series of the footage you were not meant to see. This is what I wrote to your question



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzEfvELQq3c&feature=related

You need to watch them all and understand how it was manipulated to attack Michael Jackson, it was covered in the trials too.


If you don't understand any of this though and you can't see through the veil of media manipulation, then you will never understand the agenda against MJ.



I did not hear him say that the mother was black, can you provide a link to that information.

He was very private about protecting his children as he did want them to end up kidnapped and dead like the lindberg baby, this is reason for not wanting to give to much information.
You are totally right Gaias Child! Debbie Rowe and Michael Jackson were both very private people and they wanted to protect their kids from being kidnapped! That was why Debbie liked them to wear masks in public.
Now the kids are older and Michael Jackson is no longer alive they don't wear the masks anymore.
Paris now wears glasses which she didn't before. Michael had a thing about his kids having good eyesight and them being perfect, beautiful, slim, well dressed, healthy, polite, stable, intelligent children which they are he was a great father he did a great job with raising them and I would of loved MJ as a Dad!!
Everyone should see this "Living with Michael Jackson, Take 2" (hosted by "Maury" Povich) you can see here what Martin Bashir and the media did to poor Michael Jackson how they attacked him in a vicious way and why I and many others don't like Martin Bashir. Martin Bashir manipulated and conned poor Michael Jackson:
Michael Jackson - Living with Michael Jackson, Take Two (part 1/9) EXCLUSIVE!!! - YouTube
There were two damaging documentaries: 1. "Living with Michael Jackson" with Martin Bashir on ITV in 2003.
2. "Michael Jackson: What Really Happened" with Jacques Peretti on C4 in 2007.
I think Uri Geller also did Michael Jackson wrong he was the one who set the Martin Bashir documentary up.

andiliz
22-01-2010, 07:40 AM
Also see this video "Michael Jackson The Untold Truth about Neverland Part 1": YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

linda28
23-01-2010, 12:06 AM
Also see this video "Michael Jackson The Untold Truth about Neverland Part 1": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYQL5WrqqH4

Great video :)

I can't believe that those other negative documentaries were real. Seems like it can only happen to Michael, huh?

gwynned
23-01-2010, 04:44 AM
Great video :)

I can't believe that those other negative documentaries were real. Seems like it can only happen to Michael, huh?

A conspiracy perhaps? Jermaine thinks so.....

Jermaine Jackson talks about a conspiracy regarding Michael Jackson's death - YouTube

joe911
23-01-2010, 10:08 AM
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84080
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/site/images/banners/mj_fan_day_dec09_1x1.jpg

A day of celebration for all fans, the Michael Jackson Fan Day will incorporate a performance from the world’s number 1 impersonator, Navi, and a visit to Michael Jackson: The Official Exhibition.

“You’re an amazing dancer, do you practise everyday?” (Michael Jackson to Navi.)

Navi’s career spans 22 years, performing over 150 international shows in 57 countries. He was the opening act for Michael Jackson’s 45th Birthday party, worked as Michael Jackson’s decoy, and was personally invited to Neverland Ranch.

Navi has performed over 300 shows this year alone, and he’s bringing his ‘King of Pop – The Legend Continues’ show to indigO2 at The O2 for a celebration no fan can afford to miss.

Michael Jackson: The Official Exhibition is open now at The O2, a collection of never seen before items belonging to the King of Pop. The Exhibition contains nine galleries presenting belongings from his Jackson 5 career & as a solo artist, costumes, paintings, hand-written lyrics, awards, recording contracts, costumes and stage props from ‘This Is It’ & much more...

Tickets for the Michael Jackson Fan Day cost just £20 and include:

• Entry into Michael Jackson: The Official Exhibition (open from 10am)
• Entry to Navi’s ‘King of Pop – The Legend Continues’ show at indigO2 (4pm – 7pm)
• Limited edition hologram Exhibition ticket
• 20% off merchandise inside Exhibition store
• &nbspiscounts in various restaurants at The O2
• Exclusive competitions / giveaways throughout the day
• Exclusive aftershow party tickets available – just £5 (18+ only)
• Best dressed Michael Jackson fan on the day wins £500 to spend in the Exhibition store!

Tickets can be purchased from www.ticketmaster.co.uk 0844 847 1643
Visit www.michaeljacksonexhibition.co.uk or www.theo2.co.uk/indigo2

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/feature/michael_jackson_exhibition.html

The O2, Peninsula Square, London, SE10 0JF
Nearest tube: North Greenwich (Zone 2, Jubilee Line) – only 20 mins from Central London

IndigO2 doors open 3pm.



It did strike me a little odd that they are having an after party for a tribute act :S And that they closed the 02 yesterday for a 'private event'

joe911
23-01-2010, 10:19 AM
Thought id share this too
http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv19/AmarS8/Michaels-Army.gif

gaias child
23-01-2010, 01:28 PM
A conspiracy perhaps? Jermaine thinks so.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHWLI0491Y&feature=sub

Excellent video, thanks for posting I noticed on part 3 of that seies at around 1.38that he mentions 9/11 and the iraq war, and then they cut the video and there are voices in the background to him and he says softly "sure, sure" to them as if someone (handlers) are telling him to shut upon that subject.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

andiliz
25-01-2010, 02:32 PM
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84080
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/site/images/banners/mj_fan_day_dec09_1x1.jpg

A day of celebration for all fans, the Michael Jackson Fan Day will incorporate a performance from the world’s number 1 impersonator, Navi, and a visit to Michael Jackson: The Official Exhibition.

“You’re an amazing dancer, do you practise everyday?” (Michael Jackson to Navi.)

Navi’s career spans 22 years, performing over 150 international shows in 57 countries. He was the opening act for Michael Jackson’s 45th Birthday party, worked as Michael Jackson’s decoy, and was personally invited to Neverland Ranch.

Navi has performed over 300 shows this year alone, and he’s bringing his ‘King of Pop – The Legend Continues’ show to indigO2 at The O2 for a celebration no fan can afford to miss.

Michael Jackson: The Official Exhibition is open now at The O2, a collection of never seen before items belonging to the King of Pop. The Exhibition contains nine galleries presenting belongings from his Jackson 5 career & as a solo artist, costumes, paintings, hand-written lyrics, awards, recording contracts, costumes and stage props from ‘This Is It’ & much more...

Tickets for the Michael Jackson Fan Day cost just £20 and include:

• Entry into Michael Jackson: The Official Exhibition (open from 10am)
• Entry to Navi’s ‘King of Pop – The Legend Continues’ show at indigO2 (4pm – 7pm)
• Limited edition hologram Exhibition ticket
• 20% off merchandise inside Exhibition store
• &nbspiscounts in various restaurants at The O2
• Exclusive competitions / giveaways throughout the day
• Exclusive aftershow party tickets available – just £5 (18+ only)
• Best dressed Michael Jackson fan on the day wins £500 to spend in the Exhibition store!

Tickets can be purchased from www.ticketmaster.co.uk 0844 847 1643
Visit www.michaeljacksonexhibition.co.uk or www.theo2.co.uk/indigo2

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/feature/michael_jackson_exhibition.html

The O2, Peninsula Square, London, SE10 0JF
Nearest tube: North Greenwich (Zone 2, Jubilee Line) – only 20 mins from Central London

IndigO2 doors open 3pm.



It did strike me a little odd that they are having an after party for a tribute act :S And that they closed the 02 yesterday for a 'private event'
I went to the MJ fan day but I didn't go to the aftershow party. I enjoyed the day and I hope people had fun at the aftershow party.
What was the 'private event'? I remember people were all lined up outside the 02 for a special event I didn't know why the were there.
There were also really posh dressed up people men with black bow ties and suits on and women with nice dresses on and stuff going to an event. This was on the Saturday the same day as the Michael Jackson fan day.

gaias child
26-01-2010, 09:55 AM
I'm happy you enjoyed it andiliz

onourwayto2012
26-01-2010, 04:36 PM
Navi......... the name of the blues in Avatar.....hmmmm...

joe911
26-01-2010, 10:41 PM
I went to the MJ fan day but I didn't go to the aftershow party. I enjoyed the day and I hope people had fun at the aftershow party.
What was the 'private event'? I remember people were all lined up outside the 02 for a special event I didn't know why the were there.


Its good to hear it was a good day :)

Not sure what the private event was,maybe something to do with "this is it events" saw this really peculiar thing from the events site:

If planning to attend tonight please let the security guard at the entrance know and they will point you to the area on the ground floor where everyone will be waiting. We will come down at 8pm to get you upstairs to start. Please be prepared and ready to get set up so we are in order when Travis and the tour dancers join the rehearsal. Where something comfy - high heels not recommended. NO CAMERAS PLEASE.

An event to promote "This is it" yet they don't want people taking cameras? Everyone knows that posting pictures plays a big part in this kind of viral marketing. Also,is it normal to have security guards guarding dancers?

oh i almost forgot,if there's people still interested in the death hoax theories,you should watch the movie "prestige" OMG!

gwynned
26-01-2010, 11:35 PM
oh i almost forgot,if there's people still interested in the death hoax theories,you should watch the movie "prestige" OMG!

Thanks for the tip!

joe911
26-01-2010, 11:43 PM
Thanks for the tip!

You can watch it Here (http://stagevu.com/video/eaphhiusflew)

I wont spoil anything for you,but seeing it,and knowing how much MJ loved magic.....it was the first thing that came into my mind.......

andiliz
27-01-2010, 04:01 AM
Its good to hear it was a good day :)

Not sure what the private event was,maybe something to do with "this is it events" saw this really peculiar thing from the events site:



An event to promote "This is it" yet they don't want people taking cameras? Everyone knows that posting pictures plays a big part in this kind of viral marketing. Also,is it normal to have security guards guarding dancers?

oh i almost forgot,if there's people still interested in the death hoax theories,you should watch the movie "prestige" OMG!
Wow! what an interesting post.
There seemed to be two special events going on:
1. There were a lot of people lined up outside the 02. (they could be part of 'This is it' event?)
2. There were also really posh dressed up people men with black bow ties and suits on and women with nice dresses on and stuff going to an event at the 02.
Travis must be 'Travis Payne' and the other dancers must be from MJ's 'This is it' show.
What was the 'rehearsal' for?? I understand why they might not want cameras at a rehearsal. What is 'the events site'??
This is really strange do you have any other info about this?

I was going to ask the people lined up what they were going to but I was with my cousin and he said "Lets just get the tube" he didn't want to ask them. Both my cousin and I are quite shy people.
Michael Jackson's This Is It 'Drill' tour choreography taught by Travis Payne - YouTube

joe911
27-01-2010, 01:29 PM
Wow! what an interesting post.
There seemed to be two special events going on:
1. There were a lot of people lined up outside the 02. (they could be part of 'This is it' event?)
2. There were also really posh dressed up people men with black bow ties and suits on and women with nice dresses on and stuff going to an event at the 02.
Travis must be 'Travis Payne' and the other dancers must be from MJ's 'This is it' show.
What was the 'rehearsal' for?? I understand why they might not want cameras at a rehearsal. What is 'the events site'??
This is really strange do you have any other info about this?

I was going to ask the people lined up what they were going to but I was with my cousin and he said "Lets just get the tube" he didn't want to ask them. Both my cousin and I are quite shy people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPkKbepFvjQ

Here's 'this is it event' youtube channel,
http://www.youtube.com/user/ThisIsItEvent
The rehersal was [i think] for "the drill". You know,the dance before they dont care about us:
Michael Jacksons This Is It - Drill - YouTube
I understand what you're saying about them not wanting cameras at a rehersal,but tbh if I was meeting Travis Payne,Kenny Ortega and the dancers,id like to have something to remember the experience by.
http://www.mjthisisitevents.com/

I did some googling to see what other events were on at the 02 on the 23rd,but nothing came up,apart from the Michael Jackson fan day. Prehaps they were there for the afterparty?

andiliz
28-01-2010, 08:51 AM
Here's 'this is it event' youtube channel,
http://www.youtube.com/user/ThisIsItEvent
The rehersal was [i think] for "the drill". You know,the dance before they dont care about us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBZx2SW8hRg
I understand what you're saying about them not wanting cameras at a rehersal,but tbh if I was meeting Travis Payne,Kenny Ortega and the dancers,id like to have something to remember the experience by.
http://www.mjthisisitevents.com/

I did some googling to see what other events were on at the 02 on the 23rd,but nothing came up,apart from the Michael Jackson fan day. Prehaps they were there for the afterparty?
It is strange on the 'mjthisisitevents' website it says there are events in Los Angeles and New York City but it doesn't say there are events in London??
The posh dressed up people didn't look like they were going to the aftershow party but who knows?
What was the rehearsal all about? what was it for? who was in the rehearsal MJ fans? and I see what you mean it would be nice for the people involved to have photos after all they filmed MJ's rehearsal's in HD!
By the way what does 'tbh' mean?

joe911
28-01-2010, 05:07 PM
It is strange on the 'mjthisisitevents' website it says there are events in Los Angeles and New York City but it doesn't say there are events in London??
Yea,I wondered about that too. It would make sense to have an event in London,considering that is where the shows would have been taking place. Another thing that's been playing on my mind is why were they rehearsing in LA? I know that's where Michael was living,but to have the stage built there too,first in the Nokia Theater and then moved to the Staples Center,to be taken down a week later to move it to London,it just doesn't make sense really. I don't know much about sound engineering,but id imagine the acoustics would be different in both venues,so wouldn't the sound crew's work at staples be useless at the 02?

The posh dressed up people didn't look like they were going to the aftershow party but who knows?
Hmmm...The only thing going on at the 02 on the 23rd was the MJ fan day I think.

What was the rehearsal all about? what was it for? who was in the rehearsal MJ fans? and I see what you mean it would be nice for the people involved to have photos after all they filmed MJ's rehearsal's in HD!
I think the plan was atendee's would learn 'the drill',then turn up and rehearse it with Travis and the This is it dancers,then preform it maybe?

By the way what does 'tbh' mean?
It means To be honest :)


A layout comparison of the two arenas:
http://images.razorgator.com/venuemap.aspx?perf_id=7873123&perf_bid=1&size=l
02 Arena,London
http://www.thewonderwall.com/tickets/images/seating-plans/london-o2-arena-possible-seating-plan-for-michael-jackson-630x411.jpg

andiliz
28-01-2010, 06:02 PM
[QUOTE=joe911;1058589649]Yea,I wondered about that too. It would make sense to have an event in London,considering that is where the shows would have been taking place. Another thing that's been playing on my mind is why were they rehearsing in LA? I know that's where Michael was living,but to have the stage built there too,first in the Nokia Theater and then moved to the Staples Center,to be taken down a week later to move it to London,it just doesn't make sense really. I don't know much about sound engineering,but id imagine the acoustics would be different in both venues,so wouldn't the sound crew's work at staples be useless at the 02?

"Your talking about when MJ was rehearsing at the Staples Centre not the recent 'This Is It' DVD launch thing. I think why MJ was rehearsing at the 'Staples Centre' was because the '02 Arena' was being used for other concerts. Also the Staples Centre is owned by 'AEG' the same as the 02 Arena is owned by 'AEG'. 'The Grammys' 2010 will be at the Staples Centre and MJ's memorial was also at the Staples Centre."


Hmmm...The only thing going on at the 02 on the 23rd was the MJ fan day I think.

"The posh dressed up peaple may have been going to a 'private event' but I don't know that for sure, all I know is I saw them and there were quite a lot of them."

I think the plan was atendee's would learn 'the drill',then turn up and rehearse it with Travis and the This is it dancers,then preform it maybe?

"Could anyone be an attendee? I still don't understand why Travis Payne and the 'This Is It' dancers were in the 02 rehearsing a dance with attendees why??"

joe911
29-01-2010, 12:38 AM
"Your talking about when MJ was rehearsing at the Staples Centre not the recent 'This Is It' DVD launch thing. I think why MJ was rehearsing at the 'Staples Centre' was because the '02 Arena' was being used for other concerts. Also the Staples Centre is owned by 'AEG' the same as the 02 Arena is owned by 'AEG'. 'The Grammys' 2010 will be at the Staples Centre and MJ's memorial was also at the Staples Centre."
Oh ok,i understand,thanks for explaining that :)


"The posh dressed up peaple may have been going to a 'private event' but I don't know that for sure, all I know is I saw them and there were quite a lot of them."
Ill have a read round mjjc from others who went,to see if they knew what they were there for.


"Could anyone be an attendee? I still don't understand why Travis Payne and the 'This Is It' dancers were in the 02 rehearsing a dance with attendees why??"
Yes, I think anyone could turn up. I dont think Travis and the dancers were rehersing at the 02,i think it was in NYC?

andiliz
29-01-2010, 06:31 AM
"Ill have a read round mjjc from others who went,to see if they knew what they were there for."
I really don't think the posh dressed up people were MJ fans and I don't think they were going to the MJ aftershow party. A lot of the people at the MJ fan event were dressed up like Michael Jackson not in 'evening dress'. Those people looked like they were going to a 'dinner party' a 'black tie' event.


"Yes, I think anyone could turn up. I dont think Travis and the dancers were rehersing at the 02,i think it was in NYC?[/QUOTE]"
Thanks for clearing that up it did seem the 'This Is It' events were in LA and New York City. The strange thing is there were a lot of people young-ish lined up outside the O2 when I left to get the tube. I still don't know why they were there? (they were not connected to the posh dressed up people who were an older crowd).

None of this proves MJ is still alive! The MJ fan day was done by AEG. All the MJ stuff is done by Sony and/or AEG. I think MJ is dead but I still keep an 'open mind'. I think if he is still alive he will not come back to the public again as a big star. It's just like with Elvis people still think he is alive but no one has ever had any real proof.
The death hoax thing drives me nuts the hope MJ is still out there makes me feel good but I guess I have to except he did die.
I always wonder how MJ's kids are coping I see photos of them smiling and I think they look happier than I feel but it doesn't mean anything kids are full of life and they smile and enjoy themselves.

"Unbeknownst to anyone, Michael’s kids got some R & R and fun time. They went to 'the Lakers' game (the Lakers are a basketball team) one Friday night at the 'Staples Centre' (which is owned by 'AEG') with AEG’s Randy Phillips, nanny Grace Rwaramba (yes, she’s baaack!) and two of Tito Jackson’s kids.
Prince, Paris and Blanket got to see 'Kobe Bryant' score 41 points in the Lakers win, and no one bothered them. I’m told they also spent some time at the 'pinball arcade' next to the Staples Center. How did they get away with it? “They used AEG security instead of the Jacksons,” a source tells me. “And they wore normal clothes.” They don't wear masks anymore."

Why is 'AEG security' better than the Jackson's security?
Why does Katherine Jackson let her children go out with AEG's 'Randy Phillips'? a man Joe Jackson and Leonard Rowe think has a part to play in the killing of Michael Jackson!
Why does Katherine Jackson let her kids see 'Kenny Ortega'? another man who may have a part to play in the death of Michael Jackson!
Why did Katherine Jackson let Grace Rwaramba be the nanny again when Michael sacked her?

AEG Live came to international public attention in 2009 when it acted as the promoter for Michael Jackson's This Is It tour. Michael Jackson died just three weeks before the series of 50 concerts were due to begin. Jackson's family have said they would like to see an investigation into the role of AEG Live in the final weeks of his life, and in particular into the role of the 'personal advisers' and 'representatives' they believe the promoter put in place for him.
The 'Anschutz Entertainment Group' (A.E.G.) is a sporting and music entertainment presenter and a subsidiary of The Anschutz Corporation. The world's second largest presenter of live music and entertainment events after 'Live Nation'! It owns or operates the 'Staples Center'. In England, it owns the 'Manchester Evening News Arena', and currently operates the 'The O2' in London which includes a 20,000 capacity arena. As part of the development of the O2, Anschutz also purchased the London river service company 'Thames Clipper', and supported the development of the nearby 'David Beckham Academy' (which also a branch at the Home Depot Center). The company has its headquarters in Downtown Los Angeles.

blah
30-01-2010, 03:16 AM
I want to ask what are peoples opinions of these series of videos?
What DID happen to Michael Jackson? part 1(Original version) - YouTube

Also I am really curious to know why the media didnt make it headline news that Jordan admitted to lieing about the molestation. Its worrying, that they would love to film the whole court case but ignore the facts when they come out .......

gwynned
30-01-2010, 05:20 AM
I want to ask what are peoples opinions of these series of videos?


Also I am really curious to know why the media didnt make it headline news that Jordan admitted to lieing about the molestation. Its worrying, that they would love to film the whole court case but ignore the facts when they come out .......

And I'm curious as to why the link you provided seemed to disappear. In any case, the link was in the email notification, and if anyone can't see it, here it is...
What DID happen to Michael Jackson? part 1(Original version) - YouTube

If you've read my posts before, you know what I think, so I'll just let the video speak for itself.

blah
30-01-2010, 05:31 AM
Thanks . Anyone have opinions on what Latoyas ex-husband said about the jackson family? If it were true?....
I wonder why that very stupid woman knowing this has a loving family would stay with an abusive man for so long.

This may seem irrelevant but if Micheal is such an innocent man why is his ape bubbles now in a sanctury where abused pets are rescued?..

timmy
30-01-2010, 06:01 AM
Guys, I think I’m going crazy…. :confused:
I wanted to write that before, but wanted to see more.
Now many movie is out…
And in all those movies there the name-Jackson.

Like in “2012”- Jackson Curtis


Movie "The lovely bones" about a girl with name Suzie. She was killed (like in the song "Little Suzie" of MJ).
And the director- Peter Jackson.
http://www.moviefone.com/movie/the-lovely-bones/30065/main

And now I watching on TV trailer of this movie:
Percy Jackson: The Lightning Thief
http://www.moviefone.com/movie/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians-the/32797/video/percy-jackson-the-lightning-thief/29410789001

And check at the top : “777 -FILM Service”

:rolleyes:

timmy
30-01-2010, 06:15 AM
Thanks . Anyone have opinions on what Latoyas ex-husband said about the jackson family? If it were true?....
I wonder why that very stupid woman knowing this has a loving family would stay with an abusive man for so long.

This may seem irrelevant but if Micheal is such an innocent man why is his ape bubbles now in a sanctury where abused pets are rescued?..


You have to watch this part:

LunaJo67's Channel - YouTube

And check this site:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Jack-Gordon

And read about MK. ;)

And about Bubbles-don't worry, he is in good place. :)
Why Michael send Bubbles away? Like he said himself, when ape growing in adult he became strong, and it’s not save to keep him around. It would be dangerous for the kids…

gwynned
30-01-2010, 07:54 AM
Guys, I think I’m going crazy…. :confused:
I wanted to write that before, but wanted to see more.
Now many movie is out…
And in all those movies there the name-Jackson.

Like in “2012”- Jackson Curtis


Movie "The lovely bones" about a girl with name Suzie. She was killed (like in the song "Little Suzie" of MJ).
And the director- Peter Jackson.
http://www.moviefone.com/movie/the-lovely-bones/30065/main

And now I watching on TV trailer of this movie:
Percy Jackson: The Lightning Thief
http://www.moviefone.com/movie/percy-jackson-and-the-olympians-the/32797/video/percy-jackson-the-lightning-thief/29410789001

And check at the top : “777 -FILM Service”

:rolleyes:

Great investigative work, Timmy! I guess everyone is named either Michael or Jackson.....here's another. Legion The Archangel Michael comes down to save a few good folks from the zombies who look like they just came out of thriller. The last lines? They ask Michael....Will you be back? He responds. Have faith....or just believe....or something like that. OR the Book of Eli, advertised as bELIeve......

Yes,

groupofone
30-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Hello, everyone! In regards to Michael Jackson, I have been wondering this a lot lately:

I'm not sure if it was in 2003, or in 2005. The Geraldo interview from 2005 states this, but they say that Michael Jacksons DNA was extracted from him against his will. I'm wondering if possibly the real Michael Jackson died some other way and was replaced with a clone who was then killed off? This seems possible, but I'm not saying it's highly likely. Just a thought.

Another reason I say this is just his behavior afterwards was a little... different. Obviously it was probably from the amount of medication he was on right before his death but I do find it interesting they extracted his DNA. For what reason?

andiliz
30-01-2010, 10:18 PM
Hello, everyone! In regards to Michael Jackson, I have been wondering this a lot lately:

I'm not sure if it was in 2003, or in 2005. The Geraldo interview from 2005 states this, but they say that Michael Jacksons DNA was extracted from him against his will. I'm wondering if possibly the real Michael Jackson died some other way and was replaced with a clone who was then killed off? This seems possible, but I'm not saying it's highly likely. Just a thought.

Another reason I say this is just his behavior afterwards was a little... different. Obviously it was probably from the amount of medication he was on right before his death but I do find it interesting they extracted his DNA. For what reason?
Some people think the real Michael Jackson died in about 1988. But I think the real Michael Jackson died on June 25th 2009.
It is very interesting they took his DNA it means they could do a clone of him at a later date.
I wish they could clone him now we NEED Michael Jackson in the world!!
Medication and plastic surgery can change a person a lot. Even just a different diet, make-up, new hairstyle or wig and drink/alcohol can change a person.
His voice could always change from high to low as well.

groupofone
31-01-2010, 06:57 AM
Some people think the real Michael Jackson died in about 1988. But I think the real Michael Jackson died on June 25th 2009.
It is very interesting they took his DNA it means they could do a clone of him at a later date.
I wish they could clone him now we need Michael Jackson in the world!!
Medication and plastic surgery can change a person a lot. Even just a different diet, make-up, new hairstyle or wig and drink can change a person.
His voice could always change from high to low as well.

Yes I do think that it was truly him to the end. However a lot of crazy things going on surrounding the conspiracy to destroy him. Such a sad story but definitely one that can wake up a lot of people to the kind of corruption going on.

gaias child
31-01-2010, 07:54 AM
I think it was Michael who died on june 25th too, yes his physcial appearance changed and he had vitiligo which made his skin white, but his voice and moves were inimiatable.

Also the eyes are the window of the soul the eyes of Michael later in life are the same eyes as Michael as a child.

andiliz
31-01-2010, 09:06 AM
I think it was Michael who died on june 25th too, yes his physcial appearance changed and he had vitiligo which made his skin white, but his voice and moves were inimiatable.

Also the eyes are the window of the soul the eyes of Michael later in life are the same eyes as Michael as a child.
Yes Michael had the most amazing brown eyes I've ever seen he always had those big, brown eyes!!
Judy Garland is the only person I can think of who had great, similar brown eyes to him and also his little sister Janet Jackson.
Michael also always had the same lovely, heart warming, winning smile with those lovely white teeth he had!!
Illness can change a person and getting older can change a person and weight loss can change a person. Michael often wore shades/sunglasses and masks and hats.
Michael aways had that good, pure, giving heart as well!!

To the person 'Timmy' (I like your cute photo/drawing of the cat by the way!) who says because they see the name "Jackson" everywhere and "Michael" everywhere proves MJ is still alive I don't think it does because both the names "Michael" and "Jackson" are very common names. "Joseph" and "Joe" are also quite common names.
If I started seeing the names "La Toya" everywhere or "Tito" or "Rebbie" everywhere I might think you had a point as they are unusual names.
'Jackson Browne' is I think part of the Grammys this year does that prove MJ is still alive? sadly I don't think it does.
Please everyone check out this website: http://mjtruthnow.com/
This video is nice about Michael Jackson:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

timmy
31-01-2010, 08:51 PM
To the person 'Timmy' (I like your cute photo/drawing of the cat by the way!) who says because they see the name "Jackson" everywhere and "Michael" everywhere proves MJ is still alive I don't think it does because both the names "Michael" and "Jackson" are very common names. "Joseph" and "Joe" are also quite common names.
If I started seeing the names "La Toya" everywhere or "Tito" or "Rebbie" everywhere I might think you had a point as they are unusual names.
'Jackson Browne' is I think part of the Grammys this year does that prove MJ is still alive? sadly I don't think it does.

Thanks! :)
I like my avatar also: it’s the cat with human eyes. :)

About name Jackson … I understand that it’s very popular name in America.
But why exactly now they use this name almost everywhere?!
There names like Smith or Johnson also popular.
I want to believe that MJ is alive. It stronger than me.
About the movie “Percy Jackson: The Lightning Thief”.
The full name of the movie: “Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief”.
Maybe I going to say something stupid, but I have some thoughts:
this movie will be out 12 February, Olympics will start 12 February.
On every commercial of the Olympics there is phrase: “Do you believe?”
Believe in what?!
Maybe and just maybe (I want to believe) that MJ will come at the time Olympics and will “steal” our attention? (“Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief”)

joe911
31-01-2010, 11:43 PM
Just thought I'd share these :cool:
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andiliz
01-02-2010, 12:43 PM
Thanks! :)
I like my avatar also: it’s the cat with human eyes. :)

About name Jackson … I understand that it’s very popular name in America.
But why exactly now they use this name almost everywhere?!
There names like Smith or Johnson also popular.
I want to believe that MJ is alive. It stronger than me.
About the movie “Percy Jackson: The Lightning Thief”.
The full name of the movie: “Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief”.
Maybe I going to say something stupid, but I have some thoughts:
this movie will be out 12 February, Olympics will start 12 February.
On every commercial of the Olympics there is phrase: “Do you believe?”
Believe in what?!
Maybe and just maybe (I want to believe) that MJ will come at the time Olympics and will “steal” our attention? (“Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief”)
Interesting theory. Which country is the Olympics being held in this year?

joe911
01-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Interesting theory. Which country is the Olympics being held in this year?

I thought the Olympics were every 4 years?

The next Olympics is going to be London 2012

gwynned
01-02-2010, 03:42 PM
I thought the Olympics were every 4 years?

The next Olympics is going to be London 2012

WINTER Olympics start in Vancouver on February 12. The Lightening Thief. Interesting. There's a scene from I think Moonwalker, where MJ dispells lightening through his hands and zaps people. Who knows.

And I do like Timmy's 'avatar' = cat with human eyes, not unlike the Navi in Avatar.....AND as someone pointed out, the name 'Navi' is the same as one of MJ's closest impersonators. Another coincidence in a long string of them. One can dismiss some of them, but put them all together and they spell beLIEve.

joe911
01-02-2010, 04:04 PM
WINTER Olympics start in Vancouver on February 12. .

ahh sorry :o i missed that bit.

gaias child
01-02-2010, 06:42 PM
some more videos from lunajo


In part 35 we find out that Sony summond Frank Dileo to a meeting right before the trial to give advice about the box set and all future Sony-Jackson enterprises!! WTH? Frank didn't work for MJ then? Guess who else was at that meeting? John Branca!

What DID happen to Michael Jackson? part 35 - YouTube


What DID happen to Michael Jackson? part 36 - YouTube

joe911
01-02-2010, 09:06 PM
Heres something you might be interested in timmy.

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=2554

joe911
01-02-2010, 09:20 PM
WOW. Saw this and had to share it. Its one of the most profound things ive seen written about this whole situation.
Link (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=820)

So it is my turn to join those who think Michael is not coming back. As much as it is painful to think that we lost him or better say - lost a sight of him, I find strength and hope in thinking he’s free now. Free from the pressure and spotlight, free from idolizing love and irrational hatred, free from being haunted everywhere he goes, free from being larger than life and free to finally have a life. He gave all he could give, he was performing for over 40 years of his life, for most of his life he was the undisputed King of Pop, legend and superstar, he reached the heights no one ever reached before and he paid an enormous price for that. I truly believe he enjoyed this life as much as he could, doing what he loved most: creating, perfectionizing, helping other people, giving them hope, sense of awakening, taking them to the land of dreams and magic and speaking to their hearts. He really had it all… and he really made the world a better place.

I think the answer was in front of us all along, given by Michael himself. He said goodbye in March, I really think so now…

“I love you so much. Thank you all. This is it. I just want to say these, these will be my final show performances in London. This is it, this is it and when I say “this is it” it really means this is it because erm…I’ll be, I’ll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. This is it, I mean, this is, this is the final curtain call okay? And, erm…I’ll see you in July and … I love you. I really do. You have to know that, I love you so much, really, from the bottom of my heart”.

And it explains so many things… The movie made ‘for the fans’ instead of R.I.P., Michael’s messages throughout the movie (heal the planet, it’s all for L.O.V.E. – the movie was made out of love as a final gift), TMZ knowing significantly before what was going on back on June 25, family and kids acting too calm (they obviously know Michael is alive and it was his decision to leave).

And he really thought of everyone: his family and children would be financially safe (as they come first), and his fans, ho come second, would hear the songs they wanted to hear and see him performing again, and not just some thousands of lucky ones who could go to the London shows, but millions of people around the world.

That is really the Final curtain for the King of Pop, who he is no more (he still is for the world though). 50 years… is a significant date and an appropriate time to start a new life. We probably would never know what his life would be like from now on... unless he changes his mind one day!

And this particular hoax… in Dave Dave’s words - is just a hoax, a necessary technical means to realize and formalize the plan. People may have different opinions on that. Some would find it ‘unnecessary’ (like Kenny Ortega), to some it would come as a 'surprise' (like to Michael’s brothers) and some may just refer to it as a ‘sad occasion’ (as Lionel Ritchie). But after all it was HIS decision, and he always did what he wanted. As for us... it's an adventure, a great adventure, isn't it? :)

JMHO...

layzie kidd
02-02-2010, 12:04 AM
Nah, hes definetly dead. He wouldn't go hiding and leave his kids hanging.

groupofone
02-02-2010, 12:38 AM
Nah, hes definetly dead. He wouldn't go hiding and leave his kids hanging.

Yes the tears cried by those kids were true and he would never put them through such nonsense. But yeah that final message he gave did seem a lot like a goodbye...


Something I found out when looking in to what years Michael and Lisa were married is that Lisa Marie had two children in May 2008. I think Michael always loved her and remember that she didn't want to have children with him right away. Perhaps her getting married and then having children had some sort of negative effect on him? Also remember that they were still sometimes keeping in contact up to his death.

gwynned
02-02-2010, 01:25 AM
Yes the tears cried by those kids were true and he would never put them through such nonsense. But yeah that final message he gave did seem a lot like a goodbye...


Please show me the video of the 'tears' running down the faces of ANY of the Jackson family.

groupofone
02-02-2010, 04:33 AM
Please show me the video of the 'tears' running down the faces of ANY of the Jackson family.
Paris cried at the memorial. Plus it would be severe child abuse to have them go along with faking Michael's death. Ridiculous theory, in my opinion.

gwynned
02-02-2010, 05:23 AM
Paris cried at the memorial. Plus it would be severe child abuse to have them go along with faking Michael's death. Ridiculous theory, in my opinion.


She APPEARED to be crying. What is more abusive than what the media did to their beloved father. They're probably delighted they can stand up and fight on his behalf. Did you see them at the Grammy's?

andiliz
02-02-2010, 01:22 PM
She APPEARED to be crying. What is more abusive than what the media did to their beloved father. They're probably delighted they can stand up and fight on his behalf. Did you see them at the Grammy's?
I wish everyone would leave Michael's children alone. They didn't fake crying and it wasn't staged. I believe Michael Jackson is dead.
This thread is about: Did the 'Illuminati' kill Michael Jackson.
Kenny Ortega is a 'Kabbalist' he wears the RED bracelet!!!!
I am sure Kenny Ortega is part of the Illuminati he must be quite high up in Hollywood.
By the way 'TMZ' hate Michael Jackson and they also are not kind to his beloved kids.

andiliz
02-02-2010, 01:43 PM
some more videos from lunajo


In part 35 we find out that Sony summond Frank Dileo to a meeting right before the trial to give advice about the 'box set' and all future Sony-Jackson enterprises!! WTH? Frank didn't work for MJ then? Guess who else was at that meeting? John Branca!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5xA683tR0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKPutPUY_Kw
This is interesting so both Frank DiLeo and John Branca work for SONY and NOT for MJ this proves it once and for all what side they are on!!!!!!!

andiliz
02-02-2010, 02:16 PM
I got this from someones blog:
"A nice member on You Tube linked me a source to the proof that the activist 'Rev. Al Sharpton' and the human civil rights leader 'Jesse Jackson', who are both strongly connected to Michael Jackson and the whole Jackson family, are 'Freemasons'. The lodge name kicked my ass because as I wrote before on my blog, 'Dr. Conrad Murray' is a member in the same head lodge, called "PRINCE HALL LODGE"!!!! I am not in the knowledge if all three persons are member in the same lodge because Dr. Murray’s lodge is not regularly accepted. Dr. Murray stands for the location Texas and the other 2 for North Carolina. I am sure they knew then Murray before. This is not a coincidence in my opinion. So if this leads to a murder or maybe indeed to a hoax we have to wait and look forward to the truth.
This brings a lot of distrust in all people surrounding Michael Jackson. Just for you optical proof, I saved the 'Herald Online' article. So for further thinking. I never wanted to write it without proof but can now mention my thought: I am convinced that Michael Jackson is/was a Freemason, too."

"I contacted an acquaintance whos website I am following for several months now because he is doing great stuff on exposing the Freemasonry. I was emailing the picture of Murray to him to get the info which lodge he might be a member of. I never got an answer on my email which I sent to Murray's attourneys. So I decided to contact "Freeman": http://thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com/
He wrote back and told me, that Murray (concerning to his necklace on the photo) might be a "Worshipful Master of the Prince Hall Lodge".
So I did my research on that info and this website came up: http://www.masonicinfo.com
On this special page about Dr. Conrad Murray, the website owner says that Murray is a member of a lodge which is not regularly accepted by “normal Freemasons”. It is considered as a 'fake' Freemason lodge.
My questions to this are now: What has a 'fake' Mason to do in Michael Jackson’s bedroom and why did he use 'Propofol' that is usually handled by an anesthetist in a surgery? And what is his purpose to let some folks know that he is a 'Freemason'?"


Dr. Murray was said to of been James Brown's doctor as well. I am not sure Michael Jackson was a Freemason but he was a 'Kabbalist' like Kenny Ortega is. They both wore the RED bracelet.

groupofone
02-02-2010, 02:34 PM
So for further thinking. I never wanted to write it without proof but can now mention my thought: I am convinced that Michael Jackson is/was a Freemason, too."

I am not sure Michael Jackson was a Freemason though.
No, but obviously influenced by it.

And indeed the way the media treated the kids and Michael was very abusive, but that was five years ago and Michael had been secluded working on music and then on his comeback tour pretty peacefully. I don't remember the media being that vicious to him lately, just eager to hear more music or more from him. This Is It was going to be such a big tour... I think it's quite apparent his downfall was well plotted.

joe911
02-02-2010, 03:08 PM
Im still in two minds about MJ. It is extremley unlikley that he is alive,in hiding somewhere,and as for things like 'clues' in this is it,im sure if we took any film we could find 'clues' in it. However,Michael outsmarted those who were seeking to control him in the past,I have no doubt that he would do it again. There are things that are playing on my mind,like the 02 press conference for example,they had autocue's there,but it seems like Michael said what was on the top of his head. And like groupofone said,it sounds like a goodbye. There are also things like at the memorial they had this picture;
http://www.canada.com/entertainment/farewell+michael+jackson+dignified+uplifting/1770987/1770991.bin?size=620x400
Of course,it could just be a coincidence,but theres no harm in speculating, I guess.

On the other hand,I think its more likley that MJ is dead,and all of this was set up to bring him down. I beleive that they planned 'this is it' as a movie from very early on,even if it was a contingency,and once they had what they needed from Michael,he was disposable,in their eyes. Speaking about the day Michael died,one of the video crew said something along the lines of "The news came in and I almost collapsed,I wanted to just lay there and cry,but I had to carry on filming" :S Since when is somebody not allowed to greive,she HAD to carry on filming. I think Michael was more than capable of doing the shows,but dont think he was happy about 50. From the things ive read I think that Michael was more than ready,but the show wasnt. They had allready pushed it back a week. At the time Michael died there was still alot of work to do [as in the film we can clearly see it wasn't ready] Lightman wasnt finished,the outfits weren't ready,the band still needed to learn all the cues,I dont think all the dome project videos were finished either,the reason for this being we never seen them moving on the screen,what we see on the screens are more like pre-viz concept renderings. They had a hell of alot of work to do,i dont think 8 days would have been enough,and they couldnt move the concerts even further back,so they chose plan B.


Also,what do you think of this?
http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/14/39/04/59/proof_10.jpg

freemantv
02-02-2010, 06:04 PM
I think all of you would very much enjoy my exploration of our world. I guarantee you will learn a lot. I am in contact with David, we will be talking on my show, Radio Freeman, in April. David and I have worked together on some points. You will see my artworks in his lecture.
I have been covering the Michael Jackson death from a perspective that includes clones, robots, and time-travel and I have evidence to suggest each of these things.
It would take too long to write this all here so, I offer
The Free Zone and Radio Freeman
All the shows are free and can be D/L on itunes. My site is www.freemantv.com
and here's my 2 cents. Look into Cyril H. Wecht.

Wecht became famous appearing on television and consulting on deaths with a high media profile. Some of the cases include; Robert F. Kennedy, Sharon Tate, The Symbionese Liberation Army shootout, John F. Kennedy, The Legionnaires’ Disease panic, Elvis Presley, JonBenét Ramsey, Dr. Herman Tarnower (the Scarsdale diet guru), Danielle van Dam, Sunny von Bülow, the Branch Davidian incident, Vincent Foster, Laci Peterson and most recently Daniel and Anna Nicole Smith. During his career, Wecht has personally performed over fourteen thousand autopsies. He is a clinical professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine and an adjunct professor of law at Duquesne University.

Wecht is both outspoken and controversial. In 1979, Dr. Wecht examined Elvis Presley’s medical records for 20/20 and disputed earlier autopsy results suggesting Presley may have had cardiovascular disease. Instead, Dr. Wecht argued Presley died from a lethal drug cocktail overdose. [2] In his book Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?, he argues that the death of the 6 year old beauty queen was accidental. In Dr. Wecht’s opinion JonBenet Ramsey’s death was likely an accidental result of a sex “game” committed by her father.

He is the reason that Dr. Murray is up on murder charges. I encourage you to go to The Free Zone archives and listen to "The King of Pop is Dead" and, of course, don't miss "Anna Nicole, Britney, & Mind Control"
There is much more to MJ's death than is even being considered
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/88/l_518fa0abe7674f9f86f6bf16abe0ef6f.gif
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

www.freemantv.com

groupofone
03-02-2010, 02:53 AM
www.freemantv.com

freeman, you are well researched, but why do you think Michael was a pedophile? It was quite obvious that the allegations were unfounded and there was a plot to smear him. He does not seem like anyone who would want to bring harm to a person.

andiliz
03-02-2010, 09:17 AM
freeman, you are well researched, but why do you think Michael was a pedophile? It was quite obvious that the allegations were unfounded and there was a plot to smear him. He does not seem like anyone who would want to bring harm to a person.
When does Freeman talk about Michael Jackson being a pedophile?
I agree with you Michael Jackson was no pedophile.
I like Freeman.

gaias child
03-02-2010, 10:45 AM
He is the reason that Dr. Murray is up on murder charges. I encourage you to go to The Free Zone archives and listen to "The King of Pop is Dead" and, of course, don't miss "Anna Nicole, Britney, & Mind Control"
There is much more to MJ's death than is even being considered
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/88/l_518fa0abe7674f9f86f6bf16abe0ef6f.gif


Great post , freeman, this is what we need to get to the bottom of, but Murray isn't up on murder charges but involuntary manslaughter and he will walk. I am certain it was meant to go down as accidental overdose not manslaughter, but from the in depth research I've done, it is clear the plan went wrong, Michael didn't die when he was supposed too which scuppered it.

andiliz
03-02-2010, 02:15 PM
Great post , freeman, this is what we need to get to the bottom of, but Murray isn't up on murder charges but involuntary manslaughter and he will walk. I am certain it was meant to go down as accidental overdose not manslaughter, but from the in depth research I've done, it is clear the plan went wrong, Michael didn't die when he was supposed too which scuppered it.
Gaias Child what do you mean by this: "Michael didn't die when he was supposed too which scuppered it."

gaias child
03-02-2010, 04:18 PM
Gaias Child what do you mean by this: "Michael didn't die when he was supposed too which scuppered it."

From reading the timelines, there was a massive delay from when Michael died and conrad murray calling emergency services, he also did cpr wrong on the bed instead of the floor.

Because Michael had blood lividity it meant he had been dead hours before emergency was called. So why did conrad Murray not call emergency and why did he make 3 other phone calls that took around an hour a half before calling emergency, he obviously was checking out what to do after finding Michael dead. The paramedics also wanted to pronounce Michael dead at his home but they say Murray got in the way, they say the house was boiling hot, so Murray was trying to delay time of death by turning heating up in the house as he hoped by heating the body up he could delay time of death and that they would think MIchael died in transit to the hospital which would have avoided autopsy and been declared accidental death.

Because it was considered accidental in the hours after Michaels death, the scene was not sealed as a crime scene so the evidence was tampered with and therefore cannot be used in prosecution, which makes it almost impossible to get a prosecution which is a gift and was the plan of those who murdered Michael

.

The fact that propofol was found in MJ body was possibly not meant to happen as it lasts in the body a very short time the fact it was found in the body makes me think it was being administered minutes before and even after death. I am not sure this drug was meant to be found in his body.

The fact he had ephedrine in his system is proof to me he was murdered, ephedrine side effects are insomnia and weight loss. There is no way on earth Michael would have taken this substance knowingly to give him side effects of insomnia and weightloss which he had said himself in the past often happened when rehearsing and touring for concerts. why would he take a substance that causes him problems I think it was administered to him unkowningly to cause these problems to then cause him anxiety insomnia etc and encourage him to take medications for the symptoms it caused. This is an elaborate murder.

I also have seen some picture of Michael sleeveless at the rehearsals and their were no needle marks on his arms as the media published.

This will not have an ending with justice as it has happened so many times before.

Dr Murray is also still practising medicine.

Dr Murray is also not his real name he changed it shortly before taking on the job as MJ doctor, so it crossed my mind whether he even stole another doctors identity. He is the fall guy anyway

gaias child
03-02-2010, 06:59 PM
.
Please everyone check out this website: http://mjtruthnow.com/
This video is nice about Michael Jackson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6pUq1eoqHA&feature=player_embedded#

Thanks for posting the video, it is beautiful, it brought a tear to my eye

groupofone
03-02-2010, 11:29 PM
When does Freeman talk about Michael Jackson being a pedophile?
I agree with you Michael Jackson was no pedophile.
I like Freeman.
He does in that video he recommended we watch. He says something along the lines of 'The Jacksons then went on to become pedophiles. Well, one of them. (both snicker) ...supposedly...' guy next to him chuckles: 'riiight...'

sodi
04-02-2010, 04:58 AM
Michael Jackson warns of 2012 Illuminati conspiracy? - YouTube

timmy
04-02-2010, 05:30 AM
Guys, if you have time, you have to read that:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

gwynned
04-02-2010, 06:04 AM
Guys, if you have time, you have to read that:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

I don't think there was ever a time that MJ's mind was under their control. I've read most of this and the authors make some legitimate points, but if one views MJ's actions over time, I don't see the multiple personalities that you see in other people when their programming breaks down. True, Michael could be childlike and playful, but I'd like to think such an ability to be playful is not unnatural at all, even for a grown man. When necessary, Michael could be fierce. In some cases, I think what appears to be strange behavior, is merely Michael acting for reasons I'm not clear on. For example, there's a strange interview with MJ's supposed 'spiritual advisor' that just happens to be recorded. In it MJ sounds drugged out and weak, admonishing himself for letting someone named Thome Thome to control his life. That HAS to be fake, making me wonder how much of what people perceive as 'wacko' is due to MJ messing with the media.

Certainly people tried to control his life and his money etc., creating pressures for him, but I've rarely seen anyone more in control of his own mind and life than MJ. He's smarter than they are.

gaias child
04-02-2010, 07:58 AM
Guys, if you have time, you have to read that:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

Very interesting article

If Michael was Mkultra controlled, I think his programming broke down, he started heal the world foundation and the songs he wrote about healing the world and other songs and the speeches he made showed he had indepth understanding of the nature of reality, so he had higher consciousness and that was not being controlled.

But I do think the way he was controlled in the physical world by creating a financial situation for him with the false allegations and they wanted to put him into a position to force him to sell his catelogue.

He was also surrounded by handlers who definitely exerted control over Michael, I posted a video a bit back where you can hear in the background someone warning him off talking about the conspiracy against him. There was also the tape where Michael was scared of Thome and didn't even know what money he had because Thome had power of attorney and control, whether Michael gave it willingly or he was mind manipulated in some way, I do not know.

gwynned
04-02-2010, 03:01 PM
Very interesting article

If Michael was Mkultra controlled, I think his programming broke down, he started heal the world foundation and the songs he wrote about healing the world and other songs and the speeches he made showed he had indepth understanding of the nature of reality, so he had higher consciousness and that was not being controlled.

But I do think the way he was controlled in the physical world by creating a financial situation for him with the false allegations and they wanted to put him into a position to force him to sell his catelogue.

He was also surrounded by handlers who definitely exerted control over Michael, I posted a video a bit back where you can hear in the background someone warning him off talking about the conspiracy against him. There was also the tape where Michael was scared of Thome and didn't even know what money he had because Thome had power of attorney and control, whether Michael gave it willingly or he was mind manipulated in some way, I do not know.

Yes, that tape. First off, why would it be that that particular conversation was taped. I think this was MJ playing with the media, appearing to be weak and confused. And who the hell is Thome Thome. How did he manage to take control of MJ like that. The story doesn't add up.

Certainly there were people trying to take control. I think he outwitted them.

groupofone
04-02-2010, 03:08 PM
And who the hell is Thome Thome. How did he manage to take control of MJ like that. The story doesn't add up.

Certainly there were people trying to take control. I think he outwitted them.
Tommy Mottola?

joe911
04-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Tommy Mottola?

DR Thome

Michaels Physician

http://www.tmz.com/tag/dr.+thome+thome/

http://www.huliq.com/6168/82798/police-seek-2nd-person-michael-jackson-death

groupofone
04-02-2010, 03:19 PM
Where can I see the video of him saying this? I looked back and couldn't find it.

joe911
04-02-2010, 03:23 PM
Where can I see the video of him saying this? I looked back and couldn't find it.

Video of who saying what?

groupofone
04-02-2010, 03:27 PM
Video of who saying what?
Michael talking about Thome Thome.

joe911
04-02-2010, 03:33 PM
Michael talking about Thome Thome.

Not sure about a video,but this thread might be useful.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74275

tinkerbell1990
04-02-2010, 03:39 PM
Yes, that tape. First off, why would it be that that particular conversation was taped. I think this was MJ playing with the media, appearing to be weak and confused. And who the hell is Thome Thome. How did he manage to take control of MJ like that. The story doesn't add up.

Certainly there were people trying to take control. I think he outwitted them.

That's what I think too, after all they put Michael through all those years since he was a little boy he certainly outwitted them he's smarter than them!
And yes I'm one of the Hoax believers who strongly believe Michael is still alive!

gwynned
04-02-2010, 03:41 PM
Where can I see the video of him saying this? I looked back and couldn't find it.


Here's the vid.... YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Note her ridiculous response to the question "What was he afraid of?"

timmy
04-02-2010, 06:49 PM
Very interesting article

If Michael was Mkultra controlled, I think his programming broke down, he started heal the world foundation and the songs he wrote about healing the world and other songs and the speeches he made showed he had indepth understanding of the nature of reality, so he had higher consciousness and that was not being controlled.


You have to read full article, guys :)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

...."Well, now that doesn’t look like a friend of the Illuminati, quite the contrary. They (MJ) fight against power of the government, against racism, FOR FREEDOM.
Yet their ‘puppet’ is showing the whole world at the same time on TV that he supports them. This was a very courageous but DANGEROUS thing to do, but Mike did it. He even bought all airing time to make sure everybody would see. He declares war to the Illuminati.

Well, what happens next? The Chandlers enter the scene en he is being accused of child molestation. Probably drugged again to make him sign the settlement and bye bye image… That would shut him up, don’t you think?

NO! Of course not. They can drug him as many times as they want but they lost control of him...."

Check this song:
(Do you remember, when Michael was 10-11 y.o. he sad: "I won't sing if I do not mean"?!)

"Will you be there"

Everyone’s taking control of me
Seems that the world’s got a role for me
I’m so confused will you show to me
You’ll be there for me and care enough to bear me

(Hold me)
(Love me and feed me)
(Kiss me and free me)
(I will feel blessed)

(Save me)
(Heal me and bathe me)
(Softly you say to me)
(I will be there)

In our darkest hour
In my deepest despair
Will you still care?
Will you be there?
In my trials and my tribulations
Through our doubts and frustrations
In my violence

In my turbulence
Through my fear and my confessions
In my anguish and my pain
Through my joy and my sorrow
In the promise of another tomorrow
I’ll never let you part
For you’re always in my heart



And another article about MK: (check the date of lecture):
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

andiliz
04-02-2010, 08:50 PM
From reading the timelines, there was a massive delay from when Michael died and conrad murray calling emergency services, he also did cpr wrong on the bed instead of the floor.

Because Michael had blood lividity it meant he had been dead hours before emergency was called. So why did conrad Murray not call emergency and why did he make 3 other phone calls that took around an hour a half before calling emergency, he obviously was checking out what to do after finding Michael dead. The paramedics also wanted to pronounce Michael dead at his home but they say Murray got in the way, they say the house was boiling hot, so Murray was trying to delay time of death by turning heating up in the house as he hoped by heating the body up he could delay time of death and that they would think MIchael died in transit to the hospital which would have avoided autopsy and been declared accidental death.

Because it was considered accidental in the hours after Michaels death, the scene was not sealed as a crime scene so the evidence was tampered with and therefore cannot be used in prosecution, which makes it almost impossible to get a prosecution which is a gift and was the plan of those who murdered Michael

.

The fact that propofol was found in MJ body was possibly not meant to happen as it lasts in the body a very short time the fact it was found in the body makes me think it was being administered minutes before and even after death. I am not sure this drug was meant to be found in his body.

The fact he had ephedrine in his system is proof to me he was murdered, ephedrine side effects are insomnia and weight loss. There is no way on earth Michael would have taken this substance knowingly to give him side effects of insomnia and weightloss which he had said himself in the past often happened when rehearsing and touring for concerts. why would he take a substance that causes him problems I think it was administered to him unkowningly to cause these problems to then cause him anxiety insomnia etc and encourage him to take medications for the symptoms it caused. This is an elaborate murder.

I also have seen some picture of Michael sleeveless at the rehearsals and their were no needle marks on his arms as the media published.

This will not have an ending with justice as it has happened so many times before.

Dr Murray is also still practising medicine.

Dr Murray is also not his real name he changed it shortly before taking on the job as MJ doctor, so it crossed my mind whether he even stole another doctors identity. He is the fall guy anyway
You have made some very good points here Gaias Child. Like you I don't believe in the death hoax. I believe Michael Jackson was murdered.
It is true Dr. Murray did change his name. What is his real name?
Dr. Murray kept pumping MJ's body to keep BLOOD moving through his body NOT to save his life.
Is it true they gave MJ vitamin injections?
I thought 'lethal levels' of 'Propofol' were found in MJ's brain? that was why they took his brain out? There were some other drugs found in his system but I can't think what they were right now.
So far there have only been "leaked autopsies" or leaked "post-mortems" (as we call autopsies in England post-mortems) so we don't know the full truth yet.
Some say MJ was given the stimulant "Ephedrine" in an attempt to wake up his system from all the 'systemic depressants' he was on rather than people trying to poison him.
This is a video about "Ephedrine":
Nutrition Tips : How Does Ephedrine Affect the Body? - YouTube

gaias child
05-02-2010, 07:58 AM
You have made some very good points here Gaias Child. Like you I don't believe in the death hoax. I believe Michael Jackson was murdered.
It is true Dr. Murray did change his name. What is his real name?



His name is believe to be Robert Earl Carter, I took this post and evidence someone posted from MJJC

Murray's Wife and Conrad's REAL Name - MJJCOMMUNITY - OFFICIAL FORUM

This is Dr Conrad Murray's wife, Dr. Blanche Y. Bonnick Murray. She doesn't get spoken about much. Strange considering not only is she a Dr, but that the fact that it wasn't Conrad Murray's office/practice that was searched. It was HIS WIFE'S!

Below is the search warrant with the address on the top left:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im...sonwarrant.pdf

Here is her address:
http://www.angieslist.com/companylis...s-1923722.aspx
http://www.healthgrades.com/director...D-F5C123C6.cfm

Now having said this I found this post by jruby (jackruby from JFK?) showing Conrad Murray's real name and other interesting info:

Quote:
I went to peoplefinders.com and found out that

his real name is Robert Earl Carter and he is married to Blanche Yvette Bonnick Murray. According to DMV records Robert Earl Carter and his wife live

at 2579 Red Springs Drive in Las vegas, Now this isnt the address that the "police searched" for their Home but they do own Both properties. Now

Dr. Blanche Yvette Bonnick Murray has a practice

at 2110 east flamingo unit 301, Now this address is very important because its listed on the warrant for Global cardiovascular associates. and it isnt its her Nevada paractice and shes a family Doctor.

Now also Robert Changed his name on his license in

Febuary of 2009 to "conrad murray" and then he boght properties in Conrad Murrays Name. Now when You google Conrad Murray Global Associates you get

3121 south maryland pkwy, not 2110 east flamingo which is on the warrant, Now if you Google conrad murray Houston Texas you get that same address of 3121 south Maryland Pkwy but its listed for Houston texas. Now this Medical clinic armstrong that he supposably works at is owned by Dr davil armstrong

and his medical licensce was suspeneded in 2006, but he owns the building at 6826 west Montgomery Road

Houston Texas 77091. There hasnt been patients in there for a while. his Phone numebr of his office is 713-692-1000.

Also "murray" has 1 adult daughter named Monique lee Carter and Blanche has 1 adult daughter named Maureen

Ray Rose. "murray" doesnt have any "other children

according to Peoplefinders.com And Both adult children live with them at that address.



something else I found out which I think might be important, remember when that car was towed at mjs house and they said murray was driving it but it belonged to his sister Susan Rush, well I noticed on peoplefinders it listed Susan rush as an associate or roommate of the "murray's. So I did a googe check on her well I couldnt figure out if she is related to them or if she is a real person, The name Susan rush is a personal circus, like the Circus is called susan rush, and the address for whoever owns the circus is 10629 Sandpiper Dr# 14 Houston texas 77096

well That address is owned by robert Earl carter.

so im thinking its him who owns the Circus. the Suzan rush circus comes(performs) from Magnolia Texas. So the car that was owned by "suzan rush"

may have been "Murray"s work car. If you Google

the name Robert earl carter 2 things come up one that

there is a obstrician that is named robert earl carter from Ca, and 2 a circus owner. so Im thinking this dude really does circus things.

remember though when mj died the police couldnt find murray so they went to Suzan Rush"s house to find him

or question her about where he was well they went to

robert earl carters House. It was all staged from the getgo.



so Im thinking This Dr. Blanche Murray is the real

Dr Murray, and that their is no "conrad murray who is

a cardiologist, However it makes sense I think

that perhaps this Dr Blanche Murray is who may have treated Michaels kids in Vegas considering she is

a Family doctor. This may be the real doctor that

may go on tour with Michael eventually.



I think her real name might be Blanche Yvette Bonnick Carter


Yes you are right that they tried to keep pumping bloodthrough Some one told me who knows a great deal about this kind of thing and the meds used that he was kept alive on life support, something went wrong with the plot somewhere. I think Conrad Murray is the fall guy I do not believe he did or if he did he is not the only one involved.

Dr. Murray kept pumping MJ's body to keep BLOOD moving through his body NOT to save his life.


Is it true they gave MJ vitamin injections?


Yes Nurse lee said the only injections she gave him were B 12 shots, also Dick Gregory had said MJ had electrolyes (mineral repletion) when he was dehydrated. Michael said he got severe dehydrated when rehearsing before concerts. This is what the IV was for,not for propofol as the media says.

There were some other drugs found in his system but I can't think what they were right now

Yes but interesting none were demeral after all the rubbish people like uri geller and deepak chopra, and matt fiddes (who are media whores) said to the media. and none would kill you

So far there have only been "leaked autopsies" or leaked "post-mortems" (as we call autopsies in England post-mortems) so we don't know the full truth yet

Yes, we will have to wait for the trial, even if conrad murray is found guilty, the maximum sentence is 4 years which is crazy, and he will not get maximum sentence in fact he probably won't be found guilty, he has got top lawyers who specialise in getting people off in medical negligence cases.

He is probably going to be paid very well for being the fall guy. He is a man in severe debt a little like Evan Chandler, Men in debt will do drastic things for money a little like Evan Chandler.

There is a pattern I can see

Some say MJ was given the stimulant "Ephedrine" in an attempt to wake up his system from all the 'systemic depressants' he was on rather than people trying to poison him.
This is a video about "Ephedrine":



Well they will say that wouldn't they, I believe what Michael was saying from his own mouth about a conspiracy against him. That people were trying to poison him.

There a lot of people on forums who are being paid by sony AEG pretending to be fans planting false on forums to distract fans from investigating Michael being murdered. Because these fans the ones that also helped Michael with sony are really the ony ones capable of getting to the truth and are feared.

There is no link can you post the link. thanks

gaias child
05-02-2010, 10:36 AM
You have to read full article, guys :)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php


And another article about MK: (check the date of lecture):
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

I am very suspicous of that forum as it is the same people who set up www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com and the domain was set up before he died, on 23 June. Michael jackson hoaxdeath.com disappeared and now if you search for it you get redirected to the webiste you have posted.

here it shows the domain was up on 23rd june http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86689



There are many reasons why I do not feel Michael hoaxed his death, the will is clearly forged to benefit sony and branca and co. Michael had a trust not a will. He did not sign the will as he was not in LA as it states on date he supposedly signed but NY,this is proveable and the brothers contested it for this reason, but Katherine overturned that because she knew that if she contested it, everything would go to the kids , debbie would be brought in and they would lose custody of the kids.

Michael fired Branca for conspriing with sony against him in 2006. I do not believe these people are helping Michael. I also do not believe Michael would make his children or some other children lie and cause them psychological problems. Only an person without any ethics whatsoever would do this and Michael was a person with high values and ethics. Michael had great understanding of how kids develop psychological problems from his speeches at oxford union. Michael was for truth love and healing. healing the world, lies have no part in healing anything, Michael died for wanting to make the world a better place and for staying true to his principles. What I want to do is my best to find information to expose the darkness of the people behind the music industry and expose these murderers to the light.


Michael also fits the pattern of other celebrities that have been murdered for the same reasons, John Lennon, Tupac, Princess Diana, Martin Luther King, JFK and a many others sadly the list is not that short.

Michael could disappear easy if he wanted too he doesn't need to hoax his death, he disappeared to the middle east for years since the trial until recently when he had to go back to the US to rehearse the concerts.

Also I do not believe he would have wanted this is it movie to be last memory of his performances with him missing lyrics out in songs etc, Ilike the film but Michael was not at his best, he would only working at half what he would have in performance and he was a perfectionist

Also if he was alive and it was that easy that these apparent videos show him alive then it would take no time for the vultures and tptb that were after destroying him would make sure they hunted him down and find him, ie Tom Sneddon the FBI or CIA . They would have found him by now. I don't think so somehow

andiliz
05-02-2010, 11:05 AM
His name is believe to be Robert Earl Carter, I took this post and evidence someone posted from MJJC



Yes you are right that they tried to keep pumping bloodthrough. Some one told me who knows a great deal about this kind of thing and the meds used that he was kept alive on life support, something went wrong with the plot somewhere. I think Conrad Murray is the fall guy I do not believe he did or if he did he is not the only one involved.





Yes Nurse lee said the only injections she gave him were B 12 shots, also Dick Gregory had said MJ had electrolyes (mineral repletion) when he was dehydrated. Michael said he got severe dehydrated when rehearsing before concerts. This is what the IV was for,not for propofol as the media says.



Yes but interesting none were demeral after all the rubbish people like uri geller and deepak chopra, and matt fiddes (who are media whores) said to the media. and none would kill you



Yes, we will have to wait for the trial, even if conrad murray is found guilty, the maximum sentence is 4 years which is crazy, and he will not get maximum sentence in fact he probably won't be found guilty, he has got top lawyers who specialise in getting people off in medical negligence cases.

He is probably going to be paid very well for being the fall guy. He is a man in severe debt a little like Evan Chandler, Men in debt will do drastic things for money a little like Evan Chandler.

There is a pattern I can see



Well they will say that wouldn't they, I believe what Michael was saying from his own mouth about a conspiracy against him. That people were trying to poison him.

There a lot of people on forums who are being paid by sony AEG pretending to be fans planting false on forums to distract fans from investigating Michael being murdered. Because these fans the ones that also helped Michael with sony are really the ony ones capable of getting to the truth and are feared.

There is no link can you post the link. thanks
It seems like Michael Jackson's life falls into two parts before and after Evan Chandler.
And why did Evan Chandler die last year? I believe he was also murdered. I don't believe the story about he took his own life.

Why does Dr. Murray's father have a different surname to his son? It isn't 'Carter' and it isn't 'Murray', it's 'Andrews'!
Dr. Murray's father, "Dr. Rawle Andrews", a well-respected Houston physician, now deceased, had his medical license restricted by the board in 1994 for prescribing "controlled substances and substances with addictive potential" to two patients for "extended periods of time without adequate indication," according to documents obtained by ABCNews.com.
Dr. Murray's 'sister' also has a different surname it could be her married name though?

'Nurse Lee' can't be trusted she said MJ begged her for drugs which she wouldn't give him I am not sure she even knew Michael Jackson.
She is very much like that 'Dr. Susan Etok' (who is not a medical doctor) who had a similar story about MJ begging her for drugs. Susan Etok's association with MJ are through Uri Geller and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach... Both women do make some good points but I don't trust them.
See this: "Michael Jackson suffered from crippling insomnia and pleaded for a powerful sedative in the days leading up to his death, according to a nutritionist called 'Cherilyn Lee' who was working for the pop star. Nurse Cherilyn Lee said that she repeatedly rejected his demands for the drug, 'Diprivan', which is given intravenously. The singer told her that he had been given it in the past by an unnamed doctor." Nurse Cherilyn Lee broke 'patients confidentiality laws'!!
Even the chef 'Kai Chase' I don't totally trust as she has claimed things which are not true. Like she says she was the chef for Obama which isn't true. Also Kai Chase has been in debt. All these people seem like actors.

Was MJ ever on 'Life Support' was he in a coma????


"The fans the ones that also helped Michael with SONY are really the ony ones capable of getting to the truth and are feared."
My heart is with those MJ fans totally. Would you say the "This is NOT It" fans are those ones that are feared??

I posted the Ephedrine links up before. For some reason the links don't always work. I hope this link works:
Nutrition Tips : How Does Ephedrine Affect the Body? - YouTube

andiliz
05-02-2010, 12:19 PM
He (Freeman) does in that video he recommended we watch. He says something along the lines of "The Jacksons then went on to become pedophiles. Well, one of them. (both snigger) ...supposedly..." guy next to him chuckles: "Riiight..."
I have seen that video now. I think it is wrong what Freeman says about MJ and the guy with him doesn't say much but agrees and chuckles/sniggers.
Freeman can't prove MJ is a pedophile.
MJ is 1000% INNOCENT!!!!

gaias child
05-02-2010, 01:57 PM
You have to read full article, guys :)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

...."

And another article about MK: (check the date of lecture):
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php

There is so much inaccurate information in this blog, they clearly are not fans and really bad research on basic stuff, so it is clear they have another agenda, for example it is well known the "forged" will was signed in 2002 not 2007

Mike ‘died’ on June 25 : 6+2+5 = 13
Memorial on July 7 : 7/7
Funeral on September 3 : 9 & 3
TIAI revealed on Dec 21 : 1+2 & 2+1 = 3 & 3
The 2007 will was signed on : 7/7
Pages released by the FBI : 333

There is no 2007 will , the forged will was signed in 2002 in LA by MJ on 7/72002 only he wasn't in LA he was in NY.

He also fired executor Branca in 2006 for conspiracy with sony against him, so this will is invalid,he would have made another will

I posted these videos on this earlier


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

gwynned
05-02-2010, 03:52 PM
There is so much inaccurate information in this blog, they clearly are not fans and really bad research on basic stuff, so it is clear they have another agenda, for example it is well known the "forged" will was signed in 2002 not 2007


I'm on that forum and people on it participate it who may or may not have the most accurate information. We're all searching. I just can't imagine what the 'other agenda' might be? In general, it appears to me that the agenda is to discover the truth about MJ's death. If you are suggesting that the agenda is to disuade fans from discovering that MJ was murdered, they are really going to a lot of trouble to influence a relatively small number of 'fans.'

If you read much of what is on the website, you will see that there is a significant portion devoted to conspiracy theories. If there is another agenda, it appears to be educating MJ's fans about things like the NWO, the deaths of all the Kennedys, depopulation, etc. It's clear to me, after watching hours of real footage and contemplating what I've read and seen that (1) MJ was an enemy of the NWO (one example is him giving the finger to the all seeing eye in They Don't Really Care About Us) and (2) he was able to outwit them and not fall victim to an assasination attempt (the Pepsi commercial, for example, where his hair caught on fire, but there are probably others); and (3) he is V from Vendetta, the Archangel Michael in Legion, Eli in the Book of Eli.

Who is he? I can't answer that question, though I have my suspicions and continue to try and understand and carry out his message of LOVE and concern for the planet. As he once said, I am not Jesus, but I try and do as Jesus would do.

andiliz
05-02-2010, 04:56 PM
There is so much inaccurate information in this blog, they clearly are not fans and really bad research on basic stuff, so it is clear they have another agenda, for example it is well known the "forged" will was signed in 2002 not 2007

Mike ‘died’ on June 25 : 6+2+5 = 13
Memorial on July 7 : 7/7
Funeral on September 3 : 9 & 3
TIAI revealed on Dec 21 : 1+2 & 2+1 = 3 & 3
The 2007 will was signed on : 7/7
Pages released by the FBI : 333

There is no 2007 will , the forged will was signed in 2002 in LA by MJ on 7/72002 only he wasn't in LA he was in NY.

He also fired executor Branca in 2006 for conspiracy with sony against him, so this will is invalid,he would have made another will

I posted these videos on this earlier


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvu301ATe_0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXjSmUUJuPo&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvu301ATe_0&feature=related
"TIAI revealed on Dec 21 : 1+2 & 2+1 = 3 & 3"
What does 'T.I.A.I.' stand for?? Is it "This Is Also It"??
I am a big fan of Michael Jackson. I love him but I don't know everything about him. I think if I knew the whole truth I would know exactly how and why he was murdered.
I remember before you talked about a "trust fund" was it real??
I know Randy Jackson has talked about the will being fake.

ninny
05-02-2010, 11:48 PM
did you guys read the stories of murray on tmz. its a mess. they will held a conference on monday.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/05/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-lapd-d-a-arraignment-news-conference

gaias child
07-02-2010, 04:20 PM
A very distressed and angry La Toya hits out at Dr Murray involuntary manslaughter charges and says more people are involved with his murder

La Toya Jackson Says More People Involved in Michael Jackson's Death - YouTube



La Toya Demands Justice For Everyone Involved in Michael Jackson's Death - YouTube

gwynned
07-02-2010, 04:37 PM
A very distressed and angry La Toya hits out at Dr Murray involuntary manslaughter charges and says more people are involved with his murder


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai5jauTqk1g&feature=player_embedded#

She didn't use the word 'murder.' She stopped after premeditated. She seemed more angry and distressed by the questioning and media hounding. Lots of strange things happening with our Dr. Murray. Did you see the photo of him visiting the tomb on Wednesday? TMZ reports it this way:
“Murray showed up at Forest Lawn Memorial Park on Wednesday afternoon to visit the tomb of the man he may or may not have accidentally killed.”

Strange wording from TMZ and strange behavior from someone who may be facing manslaughter charges, doncha think?

And what about all the delays? First it was last Wednesday. He wanted to surrender to authorities, but they wouldn't let him? Does this make any sense at all?

blah
07-02-2010, 05:37 PM
Anyone know what this is about?? Jackson being quizzed about songs he has or hasnt released. He looks really disturbed and upset. Is this something to do with sony?.. hmm Michael Jackson Naming Unreleased Songs Written By Him - YouTube

subl1minal
07-02-2010, 06:40 PM
Anyone know what this is about?? Jackson being quizzed about songs he has or hasnt released. He looks really disturbed and upset. Is this something to do with sony?.. hmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGgQG2au_o

Ahh I'd love to know, blatantly some legal guy in a dark suit asking the questions.

starshine
07-02-2010, 08:28 PM
Mchael Jackson is someone who I feel was completely innocent of the Chandlers claims against him, it was pure extortion.
I would not think that MJ would fake his own death because he wanted to be a proper dad to his kids.:(

gaias child
08-02-2010, 02:35 PM
She didn't use the word 'murder.' She stopped after premeditated. She seemed more angry and distressed by the questioning and media hounding. ?

You need to watch it again then because at 0.20 she says they murdered my brother and there are more pople involved than dr murray.

Every interview I've heard her do she says he was murdered

andiliz
09-02-2010, 12:13 PM
You need to watch it again then because at 0.20 she says they murdered my brother and there are more pople involved than dr murray.

Every interview I've heard her do she says he was murdered
Michael's murder blog: http://michaelsmurder.blogspot.com/
Thanks to Gaias Child for telling me about this blog.

andiliz
09-02-2010, 04:07 PM
Anyone know what this is about?? Jackson being quizzed about songs he has or hasnt released. He looks really disturbed and upset. Is this something to do with sony?.. hmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGgQG2au_o
I feel sorry for Michael Jackson in this video. Why did they make him do this?
I am sure this video was made before 1995 before the "HIStory" album came out.
Was this some sort of legal thing I don't get it?

gaias child
10-02-2010, 10:14 AM
Michael's murder blog: http://michaelsmurder.blogspot.com/
Thanks to Gaias Child for telling me about this blog.

You are welcome andiliz. It is a very detailed blog.

I feel sorry for Michael Jackson in this video. Why did they make him do this?
I am sure this video was made before 1995 before the "HIStory" album came out.
Was this some sort of legal thing I don't get it?

Me too.

andiliz
10-02-2010, 02:44 PM
Joe Jackson says Dr. Murray is just a fall guy and he wants justice for his son Michael.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

andiliz
10-02-2010, 09:32 PM
Michael Jackson has spoken out from beyond the grave to Lisa Marie Presley in a spooky séance, according to the King Of Pop's former make-up artist Karen Faye. Beautician/make-up artist/hair stylist Karen Faye and Michael Jackson's ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley allegedly made contact with the singer, who died in June 2009, with the help of a medium.

Karen Faye insists the Thriller icon's spirit seemed to be "unsettled" and expressed remorse for any wrong doing.

Karen Faye says, "He seemed to be on a mission to reach out to people in his life and be forgiven. Michael spent his time explaining his faults and wanting us to forgive him. He seemed unsettled. He seemed more jovial with Lisa.
The psychic turned to me and said Michael is telling me, 'You took such good care of me, and I am so sorry I hurt you so much.' He said he should have listened to me more. It hit me straight in the heart."

The 53 year old insists the psychic had "no idea" of her relationship with Michael Jackson, adding, "There were definite, deep insights that would have been difficult (for a psychic) to make up. It was detailed about the inner dynamics of his family and his levels of pain and emotional inability."

She further informed Michael Jackson would not discuss manslaughter charges faced by his doctor Conrad Murray in Los Angeles.

"He said he was detached from things," he said.


Elvis Presley's daughter wed Michael Jackson in 1994 but they split just 18 months later.

gwynned
11-02-2010, 04:15 AM
Michael Jackson has spoken out from beyond the grave to Lisa Marie Presley in a spooky séance, according to the King Of Pop's former make-up artist Karen Faye. Beautician/make-up artist/hair stylist Karen Faye and Michael Jackson's ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley allegedly made contact with the singer, who died in June 2009, with the help of a medium last week.

Karen Faye insists the Thriller icon's spirit seemed to be "unsettled" and expressed remorse for any wrong doing.

Karen Faye says, "He seemed to be on a mission to reach out to people in his life and be forgiven. Michael spent his time explaining his faults and wanting us to forgive him. He seemed unsettled. He seemed more jovial with Lisa.
The psychic turned to me and said Michael is telling me, 'You took such good care of me, and I am so sorry I hurt you so much.' He said he should have listened to me more. It hit me straight in the heart."

The 53 year old insists the psychic had "no idea" of her relationship with Michael Jackson, adding, "There were definite, deep insights that would have been difficult (for a psychic) to make up. It was detailed about the inner dynamics of his family and his levels of pain and emotional inability."

Elvis Presley's daughter wed Michael Jackson in 1994 but they split just 18 months later.

Well, you know I just saw my psychic and she didn't realize that I was so into MJ but she picked up on it right away. She went looking for him on the other side and, lo and behold, he ain't there. No, she is CERTAIN he is here with us on the earth plane.

theoneandonly
11-02-2010, 10:20 AM
Well, you know I just saw my psychic and she didn't realize that I was so into MJ but she picked up on it right away. She went looking for him on the other side and, lo and behold, he ain't there. No, she is CERTAIN he is here with us on the earth plane.

I actually believe there is a high chance he did not die... there are way too many inconsistancies. Its a strange world we live in...

gaias child
11-02-2010, 12:08 PM
I like you signature, that is so strange I was just going to change mine to that one.

In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope.
In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort.
In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream.
And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.” ~Michael Jackson

gaias child
11-02-2010, 12:11 PM
Joe Jackson says Dr. Murray is just a fall guy and he wants justice for his son Michael.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQRXmfVOv3o

Thanks. The family think what I do,right from the day after Michael died I believed he was murdered and Murray was fall guy, because I've seen the pattern many times before

gwynned
11-02-2010, 03:32 PM
I actually believe there is a high chance he did not die... there are way too many inconsistancies. Its a strange world we live in...

I beLIEve he is alive. My prior post was mere sarcasm in response to the post about Lisa Marie's alleged psychic visitation. My apologies for the sarcasm, but this kind of thing (rumor, innuendo, psychics) exemplifies the very problem that MJ dealt with most of his life and which he fought against continually. While we are left to theorize on events, I think it prudent to stick to verifiable facts on which to base our theories.

I believe he is alive because I have spent time investigating the situation, looking beyond the headlines. Not only did MJ hoax his death, but he left numerous clues for us to follow so that we would realize that he is not dead. The list of inconsistencies is lengthy, but here are a few.
1. There are 3 different 911 calls. If you listen to any one of them, you will be shocked by the 911 operator's lack of professionalism. For example, he hangs up BEFORE the ambulance arrives, breaking proper protocol.
2. There are two Dr. Murray's - one black (the one we know) and one white (he was seated behind the other Dr. Murray in the courtroom the other day.)
3. On the day he 'died,' his brother Jermaine announced that he had died. Why no one from the Medical Center with a full report?
4. During the recent Grammy's, mention was made of all the entertainers who had died in the last year. MJ was not among them. Nor is he on the same list at TMZ, where all the informtion is being leaked.

If you would like more, please PM me and I'll direct you to a series of Youtube videos that list over 70 reasons to believe we have a hoax. For those not following the hoax, you're missing out on a great story.

theoneandonly
11-02-2010, 04:47 PM
I beLIEve he is alive. My prior post was mere sarcasm in response to the post about Lisa Marie's alleged psychic visitation. My apologies for the sarcasm, but this kind of thing (rumor, innuendo, psychics) exemplifies the very problem that MJ dealt with most of his life and which he fought against continually. While we are left to theorize on events, I think it prudent to stick to verifiable facts on which to base our theories.

I believe he is alive because I have spent time investigating the situation, looking beyond the headlines. Not only did MJ hoax his death, but he left numerous clues for us to follow so that we would realize that he is not dead. The list of inconsistencies is lengthy, but here are a few.
1. There are 3 different 911 calls. If you listen to any one of them, you will be shocked by the 911 operator's lack of professionalism. For example, he hangs up BEFORE the ambulance arrives, breaking proper protocol.
2. There are two Dr. Murray's - one black (the one we know) and one white (he was seated behind the other Dr. Murray in the courtroom the other day.)
3. On the day he 'died,' his brother Jermaine announced that he had died. Why no one from the Medical Center with a full report?
4. During the recent Grammy's, mention was made of all the entertainers who had died in the last year. MJ was not among them. Nor is he on the same list at TMZ, where all the informtion is being leaked.

If you would like more, please PM me and I'll direct you to a series of Youtube videos that list over 70 reasons to believe we have a hoax. For those not following the hoax, you're missing out on a great story.

Yeahh i have been looking at these for a while.. seen quite a few Youtube vids and it does pretty much confirm to me that a hoax has happened...

The best one for me would be Paris' speech at the Grammy's..subtle yet all too revealing.

Monday shook my faith slightly but i continue to beLIEve ;)

gwynned
11-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Yeahh i have been looking at these for a while.. seen quite a few Youtube vids and it does pretty much confirm to me that a hoax has happened...

The best one for me would be Paris' speech at the Grammy's..subtle yet all too revealing.

Monday shook my faith slightly but i continue to beLIEve ;)

What was Paris saying, do you think? I haven't quite figured it out, but certainly her words were carefully thought out.

Here's a link to the hoax forum about the fact that Murray would have to be charged by the DA. The basic idea is that Murray is a stand in for MJ. Falsely accused with no evidence, only heresay. If you see Murray's first appearance on Youtube, he seems mild and kind and speaks like MJ. Odd. Was it MJ speaking behind a cyberspace character?

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5033&sid=47c0ae335e07210d4fd0d2db7f13904c

eternal_spirit
11-02-2010, 05:00 PM
Illuminati Killed Michael Jackson?



NO

tinkerbell1990
11-02-2010, 05:34 PM
I believe Michael is very much alive as well! :D There are too many things that just don't add up in his ''death'' He definitely hoaxed his death. It's good to see some MJ death hoax believers around here!

theoneandonly
11-02-2010, 05:39 PM
What was Paris saying, do you think? I haven't quite figured it out, but certainly her words were carefully thought out.

Here's a link to the hoax forum about the fact that Murray would have to be charged by the DA. The basic idea is that Murray is a stand in for MJ. Falsely accused with no evidence, only heresay. If you see Murray's first appearance on Youtube, he seems mild and kind and speaks like MJ. Odd. Was it MJ speaking behind a cyberspace character?

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5033&sid=47c0ae335e07210d4fd0d2db7f13904c

Well to me it was the weirdest thing she could have said.. "Daddy was supposed to perform this year, but he couldn't perform last year."
It was like she was saying he was actually going to perform this year but changed his mind. I think it was meant to look like she got her words wrong.. but i really dont think she did.
Also when Prince says ''we would also like to thank your [correction] the fans'' That sounded to me like he was talking to someone, you surely would say i would like to thank his fans, if he was talking about his father that has passed away.
And then like you said about him not being in the list of musicians that have died, when the other guy they did a tribute for was in there.

Yeah i have seen that, and it makes a LOT of sense... i cant wait till april now...

layzie kidd
11-02-2010, 11:39 PM
Illuminati Killed Michael Jackson?



NO

Explain mr vague. You only got attention from me because of your extremely high post count.

gwynned
12-02-2010, 03:17 AM
i cant wait till april now...

Okay, I have to ask. Why April?

gaias child
12-02-2010, 11:11 AM
. For those not following the hoax, you're missing out on a great story.

I follow the hoax stories as well and look at all the evidence not just the hoax evidence.


Why is his will a forgery? to benefit Sony and Branca (corrupt crooks and he hated Sony)and not his children, Why would he do that, it doesn't make sense to me

theoneandonly
12-02-2010, 11:26 AM
Okay, I have to ask. Why April?

Its when murray has his trial..

andiliz
12-02-2010, 08:16 PM
Michael Jackson is dead and he didn't fake his death.
Please look at this video I saw it in another MJ thread.
The death hoax thing was started to cause division between MJ fans and stop their research into his murder.

Karen Faye quote: "I know how painful it is to loose this beautiful man....I can barely speak, but I must share with you his reason for getting on stage once again. It wasn't for money or to relaunch his career...it was to send the message that we must HEAL THE WORLD, before it's too late. He wanted to let us know that we have a four year window to get it right, to start walking the highest path, or we will loose the earth.
I want you to know he was full of love for all of you. He was looking forward to making everyone smile, and unite in these difficult times...to make the world a better place.

he was working so hard...and he was so happy when I left him on Wednesday night...this is so difficult.

I don't know why 4 years...all I can do is relay his message."

MJ's concerts were NOT about money or about him relaunching his career or about him wanting his kids to see him perform live on stage they were about something bigger than that. The message is HEAL THE WORLD before it is too late!!

Dr Phil Valentine & AA Rashid 2 - YouTube

gwynned
13-02-2010, 05:44 PM
Michael Jackson is dead and he didn't fake his death.
Please look at this video I saw it in another MJ thread.
The death hoax thing was started to cause division between MJ fans and stop their research into his murder.



Huh? Shouldn't the LAPD be investigating the murder? And, if they are not doing their job, shouldn't the family be pushing for an investigation. I love MJ, but I don't have the personal knowledge or access to money that his family has. I don't see them screaming for justice! If you believed that your son or daughter was murdered abd that the investigation was dragging on and going nowhere, wouldn't you be just a little more vocal about your outrage than they have been? Or are they in on the murder plot as well?

andiliz
13-02-2010, 09:14 PM
Huh? Shouldn't the LAPD be investigating the murder? And, if they are not doing their job, shouldn't the family be pushing for an investigation. I love MJ, but I don't have the personal knowledge or access to money that his family has. I don't see them screaming for justice! If you believed that your son or daughter was murdered abd that the investigation was dragging on and going nowhere, wouldn't you be just a little more vocal about your outrage than they have been? Or are they in on the murder plot as well?
Joe Jackson very much wants justice for his son! So does La Toya and Randy Jackson.
You don't know you can't even rule out his family are not involved in his death Jermaine had acted strange.
I believe MJ was murdered.
This video proves MJ wasn't in control of his life:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

drakul
13-02-2010, 09:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4yq8VCjBs

There's a reason he was killed. He was starting to speak out against the NWO. He exposed the media and education system for being lies and propaganda and was trying to break away from the Satanic Music Industry. He was killed, just like Hendrix, Marley, JFK, and Lennon because someone with this much recognition could easily expose them. Any mainstream musician who promotes peace and unity instead of hatred and separation becomes a target. His doctor was also a freemason.

I don't think Jackson was exposing anyone but himself. In a TV special last week composed of clips of rehersals from what was to be Jackson's last road show, he spent long angonizing moments masturbating to music onstage in the most graphic display I have ever seen him do. Is that what you call `exposing the Illuminati'?

subl1minal
13-02-2010, 09:47 PM
Huh? Shouldn't the LAPD be investigating the murder? And, if they are not doing their job, shouldn't the family be pushing for an investigation. I love MJ, but I don't have the personal knowledge or access to money that his family has. I don't see them screaming for justice! If you believed that your son or daughter was murdered abd that the investigation was dragging on and going nowhere, wouldn't you be just a little more vocal about your outrage than they have been? Or are they in on the murder plot as well?

Becuase the LAPD, the Government, the LOT were all against Michael, it became so obvious after his trial and even during the trial. So there's a fat chance that anyone is going to investigate his murder and get the truth of it. Look at the Doctor being accused, he looks petrified, he hasn't done anything.

Open your eyes and look! Michael has passed on and it's a blatant conspiracy, because he was going to reveal something during his shows. Have you not seen how Jermaine is in this interview and how he explains it himself?

Jermaine Jackson talks about a conspiracy regarding Michael Jackson's death - YouTube

groupofone
14-02-2010, 06:12 AM
I don't think Jackson was exposing anyone but himself. In a TV special last week composed of clips of rehersals from what was to be Jackson's last road show, he spent long angonizing moments masturbating to music onstage in the most graphic display I have ever seen him do. Is that what you call `exposing the Illuminati'?
Agonizing? And it's dancing, are you stupid? There was no masturbation.

gaias child
14-02-2010, 08:30 AM
Becuase the LAPD, the Government, the LOT were all against Michael, it became so obvious after his trial and even during the trial. So there's a fat chance that anyone is going to investigate his murder and get the truth of it. Look at the Doctor being accused, he looks petrified, he hasn't done anything.

Open your eyes and look! Michael has passed on and it's a blatant conspiracy, because he was going to reveal something during his shows. Have you not seen how Jermaine is in this interview and how he explains it himself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHWLI0491Y


Good post.

The people at the top of LAPD are involved in illuminati and the conspiracy against Michael, and are corrupt the chief of LAPD resigned, right after Michael died, probably to put someone in place to do the job of not investigating. They also in the pay of AEG for funeral etc. Look at the way MJ was treated by police, he was abused, subjected to police violence,none of that was investigated either, and he was not even guilty and there was no evidence, despite the fbi having 333 pages trying to find some

The fact that Michael home was not sealed as a crime scene after death also makes it impossible to prove a prosecution against Murray.

Anyone who connects to the person MJ was knows he was murdered, and people like him are rare and a great threat to the establishment and what they stand for.

gwynned
14-02-2010, 08:41 AM
Becuase the LAPD, the Government, the LOT were all against Michael, it became so obvious after his trial and even during the trial. So there's a fat chance that anyone is going to investigate his murder and get the truth of it. Look at the Doctor being accused, he looks petrified, he hasn't done anything.

Open your eyes and look! Michael has passed on and it's a blatant conspiracy, because he was going to reveal something during his shows. Have you not seen how Jermaine is in this interview and how he explains it himself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGHWLI0491Y

Actually the accused Doctor doesn't look worried at all. Considering he's up for manslaughter in the death of the greatest celebrity of all time, he looks almost comotose. BTW, there are two Dr. Conrad Murrays. One black, one white, and they were both in the Courtroom last week, one in front of the other. The Judge asked some questions. Which one of the answered.

If his death is a hoax as I believe, there would have to be people involved within the LAPD. If you carefully look at where the information is coming from, you'll see that very few public officials have said anything. Most are unnamed sources. For example, it is common practice when a celebrity dies at a hospital, that someone from that hospital meets with the press to announce the death, the cause, etc., and to answer questions. No one from UCLA has spoken publicly. It was Jermaine that made the announcement. Why, at this moment of unexpected loss, would he himself want to make such an announcement?

andiliz
14-02-2010, 01:35 PM
I don't think Jackson was exposing anyone but himself. In a TV special last week composed of clips of rehersals from what was to be Jackson's last road show, he spent long angonizing moments masturbating to music onstage in the most graphic display I have ever seen him do. Is that what you call `exposing the Illuminati'?
Which TV special was this?
What channel was it on?
I don't believe what you are saying.
MJ would say you need more love in your life because this isn't nice what you say about him.

soon
14-02-2010, 01:43 PM
MJ was the biggest programming icon of them all

I believe he was eliminated / sacrificed because he was not able to fullfill his role anymore

groupofone
14-02-2010, 02:44 PM
MJ was the biggest programming icon of them all

I believe he was eliminated / sacrificed because he was not able to fullfill his role anymore

Programming? He sang about love, forgiveness, peace, being a really good person. He wasn't out singing about sex and money he was out singing about love and peace. That is NOT what is being pushed on us today.

soon
14-02-2010, 03:35 PM
Programming? He sang about love, forgiveness, peace, being a really good person. He wasn't out singing about sex and money he was out singing about love and peace. That is NOT what is being pushed on us today.if you would know what his life was REALLY like and understood how he was programmed etc etc you'd prolly freak out and never ever aproach conspiracy stuff again

you are so innocent

andiliz
14-02-2010, 04:23 PM
if you would know what his life was REALLY like and understood how he was programmed etc etc you'd prolly freak out and never ever aproach conspiracy stuff again

you are so innocent

You are talking about MK Ultra yes?

meksar
14-02-2010, 04:24 PM
Minister Louis Farrakhan on The Crucifixion of Michael Jackson - YouTube

subl1minal
14-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Actually the accused Doctor doesn't look worried at all. Considering he's up for manslaughter in the death of the greatest celebrity of all time, he looks almost comotose. BTW, there are two Dr. Conrad Murrays. One black, one white, and they were both in the Courtroom last week, one in front of the other. The Judge asked some questions. Which one of the answered.

If his death is a hoax as I believe, there would have to be people involved within the LAPD. If you carefully look at where the information is coming from, you'll see that very few public officials have said anything. Most are unnamed sources. For example, it is common practice when a celebrity dies at a hospital, that someone from that hospital meets with the press to announce the death, the cause, etc., and to answer questions. No one from UCLA has spoken publicly. It was Jermaine that made the announcement. Why, at this moment of unexpected loss, would he himself want to make such an announcement?

Because he was forced to.

The way in which Kurt Cobains death was handled was very suspicious, same with Tupac Shakurs, it doesn't mean they're alive. It just means they want them out of the way, with less fuss as possible. People believing Michael is still alive are just distracting themselves from the truth, the powers that be are probably lapping this up.

To me, Jermaine looks very frustrated in that interview, hence why he breaks down and cries. Because he knows there is even more to it than he's letting on and he can't say.

I can understand when you say the Doctor doesn't look worried, but that's because he hasn't a clue what is going on. Michael was safe for a long time with his family and people around him. As soon as he started working on his comeback tour, all the PR people, big suits and nasties were around and it was their time to strike. Doctor 'Murray' or whatever, was probably introduced into Michaels life, unaware he was going to be the scapegoat for Michaels death, which is why he went into hiding after Michaels death and if he'd of spoken out about what really happened, they'd of silenced him too. So he's having to just go with it.

How can anyone not get what Michael is talking about when he says clearly in that video ''We have 4 years to get it right''

What's he talking about? dance moves? rehearsals? please, he's talking about the Agenda that has been planned for hell knows how long now and he wanted to warn the world. Because he knew the billion+ fans he had would've listened to every word.

Imagine how much damage this would've brang to the Elite, they couldn't have that. And this is why he's now passed on and the majority of his fans are starting to buying into the fact he's still alive, completely ignoring what Michael was warning us about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAI6rTDVJw

That was brilliant. Thanks for that :)

MJ was the biggest programming icon of them all

I believe he was eliminated / sacrificed because he was not able to fullfill his role anymore

Well if that's the case, it never worked. Because his message never taught us to go out in a club, get drunk and pull wild chicks every weekend. Or to get my gun and blast anyone who has a problem.

The programming never worked on Michael, why do you think they tried to shut his popularity down for 17 years?

Michael Jackson - They Don't Really Care About Us

Yeah, that's really a song from programming right? :rolleyes:

soon
14-02-2010, 05:22 PM
Because he was forced to.

The way in which Kurt Cobains death was handled was very suspicious, same with Tupac Shakurs, it doesn't mean they're alive. It just means they want them out of the way, with less fuss as possible. People believing Michael is still alive are just distracting themselves from the truth, the powers that be are probably lapping this up.

To me, Jermaine looks very frustrated in that interview, hence why he breaks down and cries. Because he knows there is even more to it than he's letting on and he can't say.

I can understand when you say the Doctor doesn't look worried, but that's because he hasn't a clue what is going on. Michael was safe for a long time with his family and people around him. As soon as he started working on his comeback tour, all the PR people, big suits and nasties were around and it was their time to strike. Doctor 'Murray' or whatever, was probably introduced into Michaels life, unaware he was going to be the scapegoat for Michaels death, which is why he went into hiding after Michaels death and if he'd of spoken out about what really happened, they'd of silenced him too. So he's having to just go with it.

How can anyone not get what Michael is talking about when he says clearly in that video ''We have 4 years to get it right''

What's he talking about? dance moves? rehearsals? please, he's talking about the Agenda that has been planned for hell knows how long now and he wanted to warn the world. Because he knew the billion+ fans he had would've listened to every word.

Imagine how much damage this would've brang to the Elite, they couldn't have that. And this is why he's now passed on and the majority of his fans are starting to buying into the fact he's still alive, completely ignoring what Michael was warning us about.



That was brilliant. Thanks for that :)



Well if that's the case, it never worked. Because his message never taught us to go out in a club, get drunk and pull wild chicks every weekend. Or to get my gun and blast anyone who has a problem.

The programming never worked on Michael, why do you think they tried to shut his popularity down for 17 years?

Michael Jackson - They Don't Really Care About Us

Yeah, that's really a song from programming right? :rolleyes:
from your post I gather that your understanding or the programming, the agenda behind our "reality", are so dismal, me explaining it to you would be like explaining quantum physics to a toddler .

subl1minal
14-02-2010, 05:24 PM
from your post I gather that your understanding or the programming, the agenda behind our "reality", are so dismal, me explaining it to you would be like explaining quantum physics to a toddler .

And from your post I gather you get off on believing you know more than other people and immense pleasure in making it known :rolleyes:

soon
14-02-2010, 05:36 PM
And from your post I gather you get off on believing you know more than other people and immense pleasure in making it known :rolleyes:I do brother


I went through some of the most extensive and complex programming in Illuminatti mind control experiments . I also actively deprogrammed although not completely. I want to make known what's going on.
But I got people like you who have ZERO clue explaining me what's going on which makes me laugh honestly.

To my knowledge I'm one of their most complex experiments ... so you can see where the big ego comes from. Knowledge can make you cocky when someone who has no clue tells you you are wrong. Get on my good side and I am most humble ;)

andiliz
14-02-2010, 05:38 PM
Because he was forced to.

The way in which Kurt Cobains death was handled was very suspicious, same with Tupac Shakurs, it doesn't mean they're alive. It just means they want them out of the way, with less fuss as possible. People believing Michael is still alive are just distracting themselves from the truth, the powers that be are probably lapping this up.

To me, Jermaine looks very frustrated in that interview, hence why he breaks down and cries. Because he knows there is even more to it than he's letting on and he can't say.

I can understand when you say the Doctor doesn't look worried, but that's because he hasn't a clue what is going on. Michael was safe for a long time with his family and people around him. As soon as he started working on his comeback tour, all the PR people, big suits and nasties were around and it was their time to strike. Doctor 'Murray' or whatever, was probably introduced into Michaels life, unaware he was going to be the scapegoat for Michaels death, which is why he went into hiding after Michaels death and if he'd of spoken out about what really happened, they'd of silenced him too. So he's having to just go with it.

How can anyone not get what Michael is talking about when he says clearly in that video ''We have 4 years to get it right''

What's he talking about? dance moves? rehearsals? please, he's talking about the Agenda that has been planned for hell knows how long now and he wanted to warn the world. Because he knew the billion+ fans he had would've listened to every word.

Imagine how much damage this would've brang to the Elite, they couldn't have that. And this is why he's now passed on and the majority of his fans are starting to buying into the fact he's still alive, completely ignoring what Michael was warning us about.



That was brilliant. Thanks for that :)



Well if that's the case, it never worked. Because his message never taught us to go out in a club, get drunk and pull wild chicks every weekend. Or to get my gun and blast anyone who has a problem.

The programming never worked on Michael, why do you think they tried to shut his popularity down for 17 years?

Michael Jackson - They Don't Really Care About Us

Yeah, that's really a song from programming right? :rolleyes:
Thank you for this post. This is spot on and totally true.
One thing though I don't really trust Jermaine.
By the way some of the SAME people who were involved in Elvis's death and Kurt Cobain's death are involved in Michael's death.
John Lennon is another one we lost too soon but at least people know he died and don't think he is still alive same with Princess Diana who was murdered.
People still think Jimi Hendrix and Elvis are still alive it is not true they were both killed.

soon
14-02-2010, 05:46 PM
Thank you for this post. This is spot on and totally true.
One thing though I don't really trust Jermaine.I should start a thread about the real story behind Michael

do you remember the Jackson 5 ?

what they didn't show you on TV was the 5 of them anally raped into their alters before live performances

Poor Michael ... he was never his own persona .. even as a kid

andiliz
14-02-2010, 05:53 PM
I should start a thread about the real story behind Michael

do you remember the Jackson 5 ?

what they didn't show you on TV was the 5 of them anally raped into their alters before live performances

Poor Michael ... he was never his own persona .. even as a kid
How do you know for sure Michael is MK ULTRA a Monarch child??
How can you believe Brice Taylor's book?
How do we know you have been programmed?
Michael never said he was raped by anyone.
This has been taked about before on here.
I think this thread should be a sticky.

soon
14-02-2010, 06:18 PM
How do you know for sure Michael is MK ULTRA a Monarch child??
How can you believe Brice Taylor's book?
How do we know you have been programmed?
Michael never said he was raped by anyone.
This has been taked about before on here.
I think this thread should be a sticky.

you are such a kid

seriously


how do I know ??

I lived it ... I don't have a clue who Brice whomever is

How do you know I have been programmed ?

Dunno ... take my word for it . Whomever knows the basics can tell ... in your case it would be like me trying to explain you something in Chinease withought you speaking the language.

soon
14-02-2010, 06:22 PM
Michael was so shattered personality was he lost his identity as a human being completely

a programming icon is someone used to download programming through their activities image etc and / or trigger programming already in place ..

The whole music industry is built for this purpose solely. Sports industry alike and movie/tv/etc the same

wake up .... this world is not what you think it is

andiliz
14-02-2010, 06:24 PM
you are such a kid

seriously


how do I know ??

I lived it ... I don't have a clue who Brice whomever is

How do you know I have been programmed ?

Dunno ... take my word for it . Whomever knows the basics can tell ... in your case it would be like me trying to explain you something in Chinease withought you speaking the language.
I think it is good to be 'childlike' because Michael he felt that way too so thank you for that.
'Brice Taylor' wrote a book called "Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Sex Slave".
In Brice Taylor's book she talks about the Jackson 5 being raped I thought that was where you got that story from?

'Soon' you said this about yourself: "I went through some of the most extensive and complex programming in Illuminati mind control experiments. I'm also actively deprogrammed although not completely. I want to make known what's going on."

soon
14-02-2010, 06:29 PM
I think it is good to be 'childlike' because Michael he felt that way too so thank you for that.
'Brice Taylor' wrote a book called "Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Sex Slave".
In Brice Taylor's book she talks about the Jackson 5 being raped I thought that was where you got that story from?

read this and remember

ALL the icons you admire on TV have been anally raped...music, sports, tv etc

that's how you install a specific type of programming ... in kids case it fractures the mind creating alters which are later programmed

anyone who went through this knows

andiliz
14-02-2010, 06:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAI6rTDVJw
Thank you for this video.

gwynned
14-02-2010, 07:09 PM
Because he was forced to.

The way in which Kurt Cobains death was handled was very suspicious, same with Tupac Shakurs, it doesn't mean they're alive. It just means they want them out of the way, with less fuss as possible. People believing Michael is still alive are just distracting themselves from the truth, the powers that be are probably lapping this up.

To me, Jermaine looks very frustrated in that interview, hence why he breaks down and cries. Because he knows there is even more to it than he's letting on and he can't say.

I can understand when you say the Doctor doesn't look worried, but that's because he hasn't a clue what is going on. Michael was safe for a long time with his family and people around him. As soon as he started working on his comeback tour, all the PR people, big suits and nasties were around and it was their time to strike. Doctor 'Murray' or whatever, was probably introduced into Michaels life, unaware he was going to be the scapegoat for Michaels death, which is why he went into hiding after Michaels death and if he'd of spoken out about what really happened, they'd of silenced him too. So he's having to just go with it.

How can anyone not get what Michael is talking about when he says clearly in that video ''We have 4 years to get it right''

What's he talking about? dance moves? rehearsals? please, he's talking about the Agenda that has been planned for hell knows how long now and he wanted to warn the world. Because he knew the billion+ fans he had would've listened to every word.

Imagine how much damage this would've brang to the Elite, they couldn't have that. And this is why he's now passed on and the majority of his fans are starting to buying into the fact he's still alive, completely ignoring what Michael was warning us about.



That was brilliant. Thanks for that :)



Well if that's the case, it never worked. Because his message never taught us to go out in a club, get drunk and pull wild chicks every weekend. Or to get my gun and blast anyone who has a problem.

The programming never worked on Michael, why do you think they tried to shut his popularity down for 17 years?

Michael Jackson - They Don't Really Care About Us

Yeah, that's really a song from programming right? :rolleyes:

I don't think we have any way of knowing for certain whether or not Michael was programmed. However, I agree with you that his messages were not in line with the customary trash that is spewed out. So, we have to conclude that he was either able to overcome the programming and/or was immune to it, or was never programmed.

I agree that Michael's importance rests in his message, though he has given the world a shining example of a forgiving, caring, childlike person, and that such a person is a threat to TPTB. I continue to believe that he outwitted them, as did Tupac, who I believe is also alive. As far as Jermaine is concerned, assuming that there is a hoax, he is definitely a part of it. Else why would he reverse the words of MJ's favorite song, "Smile" as follows: "Light up your face with sadness, Hide every trace of gladness." Did he really just mess up the song in both places? And as far as 'breaking down,' I have yet to see real tears from ANY of the Jacksons. If Jermaine is 'in' on the hoax, he would have to appear to be sad.

Conrad Murray doesn't know what's going on? He's had a few months to think about it and he apparently went to medical school so he can't be a complete idiot.

soon
14-02-2010, 07:17 PM
I realize that for some people what I say is like a cold shower while u still asleep ...

doesn't change the truth

Mike was really fucked up and yes he did molest the kids although in his mind he loved them ... I actually did like his songs growing up

joe911
14-02-2010, 07:30 PM
doesn't change the truth

Mike was really fucked up and yes he did molest the kids although in his mind he loved them ... I actually did like his songs growing up
And of course,you know the full truth?:rolleyes:

Have you ever taken it? I can tell you for sure,if they had been raped before their shows,they would be uncomfortable,sore,walking funny. I like how you automatically believe he was raped,because someone wrote it in a book,it must make it true,obviously :rolleyes:

subl1minal
14-02-2010, 07:37 PM
I don't think we have any way of knowing for certain whether or not Michael was programmed. However, I agree with you that his messages were not in line with the customary trash that is spewed out. So, we have to conclude that he was either able to overcome the programming and/or was immune to it, or was never programmed.

I agree that Michael's importance rests in his message, though he has given the world a shining example of a forgiving, caring, childlike person, and that such a person is a threat to TPTB. I continue to believe that he outwitted them, as did Tupac, who I believe is also alive. As far as Jermaine is concerned, assuming that there is a hoax, he is definitely a part of it. Else why would he reverse the words of MJ's favorite song, "Smile" as follows: "Light up your face with sadness, Hide every trace of gladness." Did he really just mess up the song in both places? And as far as 'breaking down,' I have yet to see real tears from ANY of the Jacksons. If Jermaine is 'in' on the hoax, he would have to appear to be sad.

Conrad Murray doesn't know what's going on? He's had a few months to think about it and he apparently went to medical school so he can't be a complete idiot.

It's fine, believe this so called 'Hoax'

Why would Michael do this, knowing he would not be able to escape the powers that be. He was trapped by them for almost 2 decades and he decided now that he was about to warn people about what we're facing, he fakes his own death?

Makes perfect sense.

If the powers that be are holding some of the biggest secrets of our reality and have managed to do so ever since they've hidden them. What makes you think anyone can hide from them?

soon
14-02-2010, 07:40 PM
And of course,you know the full truth?:rolleyes:

Have you ever taken it? I can tell you for sure,if they had been raped before their shows,they would be uncomfortable,sore,walking funny. I like how you automatically believe he was raped,because someone wrote it in a book,it must make it true,obviously :rolleyes:
I will explain you exactly how it works since you seem really out of the loop

when he gets analy raped an alter is pulled forward to fullfill a particular function. The alter will be part of a group of alters that are not aware of the main personality (core ). In that alter there are no symptoms of physical pain or anything because what the mind doesn't know the body doesn't manifest .

This is also why someone uberprogrammed using torture and extreme physical pain does not show any scars or anything like that .

PS : I never red the book you talk about . YOU heard of it there ;)

subl1minal
14-02-2010, 07:41 PM
Can't you just explain it fully? start a thread?

soon
14-02-2010, 07:48 PM
Can't you just explain it fully? start a thread?I'd love to

but on what subject ?

I know so many so detailed it's impossible to choose . Maybe the reptilian topic since noone believes it

subl1minal
14-02-2010, 07:51 PM
I'd love to

but on what subject ?

I know so many so detailed it's impossible to choose . Maybe the reptilian topic since noone believes it

There's a Reptilian section - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18

MK Ultra, Cloning, Robotoid sections etc. - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=16

soon
14-02-2010, 07:56 PM
There's a Reptilian section - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18

MK Ultra, Cloning, Robotoid sections etc. - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=16
cool

I'll start a thread in each

andiliz
14-02-2010, 08:16 PM
cool

I'll start a thread in each
Soon do you know anything about cloning?

soon
14-02-2010, 08:25 PM
Soon do you know anything about cloning?
it's almost a century old

nazi's did it first .. americans followed suit ... this is for the public. Various alien groups been doin this forever

subl1minal
14-02-2010, 08:28 PM
it's almost a century old

nazi's did it first .. americans followed suit ... this is for the public. Various alien groups been doin this forever

Would be great if you could contribute man, I'm still new to that side of things. I know a slight bit about MK Ultra, programming in Hollywood etc.

gwynned
14-02-2010, 08:33 PM
It's fine, believe this so called 'Hoax'

Why would Michael do this, knowing he would not be able to escape the powers that be. He was trapped by them for almost 2 decades and he decided now that he was about to warn people about what we're facing, he fakes his own death?

Makes perfect sense.

If the powers that be are holding some of the biggest secrets of our reality and have managed to do so ever since they've hidden them. What makes you think anyone can hide from them?

Have you seen the movie V for Vendetta? I believe MJ is V and his motives are the same as V's. He also has power within the media and I believe help from others within the media who are sick of what is going on.

subl1minal
14-02-2010, 08:36 PM
Have you seen the movie V for Vendetta? I believe MJ is V and his motives are the same as V's. He also has power within the media and I believe help from others within the media who are sick of what is going on.

When you put it like that, maybe that's the case! Never thought of it that way.

If that's the case, then what's going in order to 'warn' people or do anything about it? thus far there's just been a 'This Is It' rehearsal movie and a CD.

andiliz
14-02-2010, 09:56 PM
When you put it like that, maybe that's the case! Never thought of it that way.

If that's the case, then what's going in order to 'warn' people or do anything about it? thus far there's just been a 'This Is It' rehearsal movie and a CD.

I don't know if the person called 'Soon' on here thinks MJ died?
I think MJ died and he didn't hoax his death.
MJ wouldn't put his kids up there in front of all the media.
It is so bad what is happening to his kids.

soon
14-02-2010, 10:46 PM
he's dead allright ... murdered ... eliminated

joe911
14-02-2010, 11:55 PM
I will explain you exactly how it works since you seem really out of the loop

when he gets analy raped an alter is pulled forward to fullfill a particular function. The alter will be part of a group of alters that are not aware of the main personality (core ). In that alter there are no symptoms of physical pain or anything because what the mind doesn't know the body doesn't manifest .

This is also why someone uberprogrammed using torture and extreme physical pain does not show any scars or anything like that .

PS : I never red the book you talk about . YOU heard of it there ;)

What a load of bullshit. "there are no symptoms of physical pain or anything because what the mind doesn't know the body doesn't manifest" If that were true we would wake up after an operation and be all fine and dandy.

gwynned
15-02-2010, 01:22 AM
When you put it like that, maybe that's the case! Never thought of it that way.

If that's the case, then what's going in order to 'warn' people or do anything about it? thus far there's just been a 'This Is It' rehearsal movie and a CD.

Well, first off, if he HAD done 50 shows he would have only reached a few thousand people with his message, and outside the actual performance, he would have had his message filtered through the mainstream media. This Is It has grossed well over 200MM, with his message heard by the millions, rather than thousands, that have seen it. We also got to see Michael as he really is...caring, thoughtful, patient, respected, etc. Earth Song was really hyped for the Grammy's and again, a song that got little airplay previously, sent a powerful message to a very large audience. We got to see his children as the bright, thoughtful, respectful and mature people that they are.

When he returns, he will have the attention of nearly everyone on the planet. I guess we just wait to see how it all plays out.

gaias child
15-02-2010, 08:19 AM
I do brother


I went through some of the most extensive and complex programming in Illuminatti mind control experiments . I also actively deprogrammed although not completely. I want to make known what's going on.
But I got people like you who have ZERO clue explaining me what's going on which makes me laugh honestly.

To my knowledge I'm one of their most complex experiments ... so you can see where the big ego comes from. Knowledge can make you cocky when someone who has no clue tells you you are wrong. Get on my good side and I am most humble ;)

Mk ultra definitely exists but not in the way you are explaining, you seem to be just repeating stuff that has been written in other people's books who are suspect at most. I've read it all before. I believe you may believe this has happened to you, but I don't believe it did. If there is any truth in what you are saying you are clearly still under programming like the others.

Do you have anything original to say other than being a repeater.

Lots of infiltrators come on these forums to spread disinfo

gaias child
15-02-2010, 08:32 AM
read this and remember

ALL the icons you admire on TV have been anally raped...music, sports, tv etc

that's how you install a specific type of programming ... in kids case it fractures the mind creating alters which are later programmed

anyone who went through this knows

what a load of rubbish, to say "ALL." I was a child actress, and did commericals etc and competitions and had family that worked in the industry and this did not happen. You are exaggerating. I'm sure it does happen to some people it is the nature of the world, but not everyone.

My father was abused however at his catholic school and eventually his paedophile headmaster did go to prison.

We are all brainwashed anyway through education, foods media and entertainment.

Michael was killed for his sony catelogue and that he was more profitable dead than alive,and also the influence he could have for peace love healing and unity across the globe, tptb worst nightmare when they are trying to orchestrate world war 3 , it was now or never, because after those concerts Michael would have been in a powerful positon in the music industry, with sole control of the sony catelogue

gaias child
15-02-2010, 08:39 AM
Mike was really fucked up and yes he did molest the kids although in his mind he loved them ...

I read that too on stewart swerdlow website,you have been reading too much stewart swerdlow, he says all the stuff you are saying. I don't trust him either he has symbols on his website that have the ability to affect the subconsious mind

so here it is on stewart swerdlow site http://www.expansions.com/Archives/QA_Archives.cfm?DOP=2009-6-1

Stewart's Reply: Yes, he molested them, though in his programmed mind, he was "loving" them

You are just repeating things that other people have said happened to them world for word, not very original

gaias child
15-02-2010, 09:13 AM
'Brice Taylor' wrote a book called "Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's Mind-Controlled Sex Slave".
In Brice Taylor's book she talks about the Jackson 5 being raped I thought that was where you got that story from?

'Soon' you said this about yourself: "I went through some of the most extensive and complex programming in Illuminati mind control experiments. I'm also actively deprogrammed although not completely. I want to make known what's going on."

yes.

I lived it ... I don't have a clue who Brice whomever is


pull the other one

will explain you exactly how it works since you seem really out of the loop

when he gets analy raped an alter is pulled forward to fullfill a particular function. The alter will be part of a group of alters that are not aware of the main personality (core ). In that alter there are no symptoms of physical pain or anything because what the mind doesn't know the body doesn't manifest .

This is also why someone uberprogrammed using torture and extreme physical pain does not show any scars or anything like that .

PS : I never red the book you talk about . YOU heard of it there

But again you are just repeating stuff that david icke, cathy o brien brice taylor, Arizona Wilder, and stewart swerdlow and many others have spoken/written about. This is really well known information, you aren't informing us of anything. I do not actually 100% trust or belive the stories of any of the above anyway, although I do believe it goes on, I believe in these cases the info is deliberatel planted disinfo to create fear, distraction and diversion from what is really going on.

Yes I have no doubt this is possible and does go on but so far you are repeating stuff that others have said. There are some people on this forum who also claim to have had this stuff happen to them, but you are also just repeating them too

soon
15-02-2010, 11:34 AM
Mk ultra definitely exists but not in the way you are explaining, you seem to be just repeating stuff that has been written in other people's books who are suspect at most. I've read it all before. I believe you may believe this has happened to you, but I don't believe it did. If there is any truth in what you are saying you are clearly still under programming like the others.

Do you have anything original to say other than being a repeater.

Lots of infiltrators come on these forums to spread disinfowell


some morons like you deserve nothing but to be left in your own misery

sad days we are living

be gone

soon
15-02-2010, 11:37 AM
What a load of bullshit. "there are no symptoms of physical pain or anything because what the mind doesn't know the body doesn't manifest" If that were true we would wake up after an operation and be all fine and dandy.do you understand what an alter is and how they are created ? NO

let me tell you kid : you don't even begin to comprehend the human mind, it's nature and how it works, what is programming, how you fragment it, etc

Do you realize how ignorant you sound coming here to "call me out" ?

What a twat you are lol ... listen to yourself ... waking up after an operation ..:rolleyes:

soon
15-02-2010, 11:59 AM
I think 90 % of this forum is scared shitless that what I say is true


And this is exactly what it is . This is how the human mind works : when you get info that you recognize as true subconsciously but you are scared of it you consciously reject automatically.

That's why there are so many people who make fun or discredit my posts. They are afraid because they recognize it as true. Some are actually out of it and it just doesn't rezonate with them.

andiliz
15-02-2010, 02:39 PM
I think 90 % of this forum is scared shitless that what I say is true


And this is exactly what it is . This is how the human mind works : when you get info that you recognize as true subconsciously but you are scared of it you consciously reject automatically.

That's why there are so many people who make fun or discredit my posts. They are afraid because they recognize it as true. Some are actually out of it and it just doesn't rezonate with them.
I am not scared of the truth.
Soon do you believe Michael Jackson was killed by the illuminati?
And do you have any info about this?

joe911
15-02-2010, 03:04 PM
do you understand what an alter is and how they are created ? NO

let me tell you kid : you don't even begin to comprehend the human mind, it's nature and how it works, what is programming, how you fragment it, etc

Do you realize how ignorant you sound coming here to "call me out" ?

What a twat you are lol ... listen to yourself ... waking up after an operation ..:rolleyes:
I understand perfectly well what you are claiming, however you are presenting no evidence,and are refusing to accept that a body will still feel pain,regardless of whether the mind experiences it or not,hence my operation analogy.

Judging from the way you type,you cant be much older than me ;)

I didn't come here to call you out,because this thread is not about you. Its about our beloved Michael. To be honest I couldn't give a shit about you,you come here shouting the odds,not presenting any evidence,just repeating what others have told you then have a bitch fit when we dont accept your what you are saying as truth.

Tell me,are you a neurologist? If so,it would be nice to see your credentials,just so we can be sure. If not,I suggest you stop telling others they know nothing about the human brain,and how it works. Because let me tell you something,sugar; Reading some conspiracy book,watching a David Icke lecture,or even reading Wikipedia does not make you an expert on the brain,how it works or how it responds to programming.

Waking up after an operation was a perfect example of showing you how wrong you are,however you roll your eyes and dismiss it without even taking into consideration how it affects your theory.

I think 90 % of this forum is scared shitless that what I say is true


And this is exactly what it is . This is how the human mind works : when you get info that you recognize as true subconsciously but you are scared of it you consciously reject automatically.

That's why there are so many people who make fun or discredit my posts. They are afraid because they recognize it as true. Some are actually out of it and it just doesn't rezonate with them.

Nobody is scared of what you have to say,as you are neither a neurologist or eloquent enough to present your argument reasonably. Perhaps if you speaking to people appropriately,and tried backing up what you were saying,or present your neurology qualifications, you'd be taken more seriously.

gaias child
16-02-2010, 07:46 AM
I think 90 % of this forum is scared shitless that what I say is true


And this is exactly what it is . This is how the human mind works : when you get info that you recognize as true subconsciously but you are scared of it you consciously reject automatically.

That's why there are so many people who make fun or discredit my posts. They are afraid because they recognize it as true. Some are actually out of it and it just doesn't rezonate with them.


I'm not scared at all, I've read tons on it, it is absolutely everywhere and difficult to avoid, and I also know a few people who say it happened to them. Some I believe more than others and some I don't.

I know other people who claim this happened to them, there is some one knowledgeable on this forum and he says the programming never fully breaks down and you will also be programmed to believe all kinds of things that didn't happen, even he said not to believe everything he said because even t hough some programming had broken down, it doesnt' ever fully breakdown, and if what you are saying is true, you would know this, and would be tolerant of what I've said instead of reacting the way you do. Not everyone on these forums are going to accept blindly everything they are told, even if some do, they question things and investigate themselves. You seem to think everyone should just blindly accept what you say without questioning.

I also had a lot of abuse as a child, one from an MP and a doctor, but you know whilst I know mk ultra exists and its purpose is mind control some of the stuff being put out makes you feel that the abuse that others suffer like myself and others, such as abuse kids homes, or torture in war, is no longer valid and therefore normal, because all this horrific systemic torture these people say happened to them (which I'm positive does go on, I just don't believe you would be in any shape or form a functioning person at the end of it, from my experiences and knowledge of what I've witnessed) just makes people numb to accepting the other awful stuff that goes on in our world and to prepare us unquestioningly for the horrors that are to come that is its purpose. That is why I believe some of this stuff is being put out deliberately as part of the mind control stuff. Mk ultra is after all about mind control.

Also I worked with seriously abused people and they are severely traumatised, sometimes they often cannot speak and they rock in trauma ie post traumatic stress disorder. People like cathy o brien and brice taylor are far too together and fully functioning and eloquent to make me fully believe them. If their programming broke down there minds would have shattered, and go into a severe trauma. After all the altar stuff is based on treating the mind as a computer, what happens to a computer when it breaks down, it becomes non functioning, I'm amazed people just believe everything they are being told instead of questioning things. I'm still severely traumatised by my experiences, and mine seem so trivial not worth mentioning in comparison, maybe that is the reason so much of this stuff is being put out, all to numb and dumb us down, and to make horrific things seem acceptable, this is going on for ages anyway, many people think factory farming and torture of animals for food is acceptable

It has been proved that children watching violent cartoons over and over desensitises to violence, so rereading over and over the most horrific torture that someone experienced will have the same effect you will become desensitised to the horrific things going on in the world.

I believe Michael was traumatised by what happened to him with joes severe beatings etc, but there is no evidence of Mk ultra in this way it is just exaggerated.

well


some morons like you deserve nothing but to be left in your own misery

sad days we are living

be gone


Why for questioning whether this really happened to you or whether you just believe it did , and demonstrating the examples you have taken from others websites, stewart swerdlow for example. and for questioning you saying ALL who work in media or music and that industry is annally sexually assaulted, when I have worked in that industry and I can confirm that is not true.

Don't you think then that it is possible that people ifiltrate forums with false info for a joke sometimes or for another reason, the forums are full of it. How do you know you are not delusional.? seriously, sorry if this seems insensitive but it happens you know. Also surely you know that coming on a forum to inform people of something like you have said is going to get questions and doubters, and people who are independent thinkers and do their own research and reached different conclusions, so why call people morons. seems an odd reaction.

Perhaps you could answer then who did this to you, why? where were your parents? and how did you escape? if you want to inform people as you say you shouldn't have a problem answering this.

It maybe be better for you to start another thread if you want to inform people as this one is for Michael and what happened to Michael

andiliz
17-02-2010, 10:55 PM
To help celebrate the release of 'Michael Jackson's This Is It' on DVD and Blu-ray, HMV and Sony Pictures Home Entertainment launch a very special midnight signing event with guests, director Kenny Ortega and choreographer Travis Payne at HMV's flagship Oxford Street store in London's West End on Sunday 21st February 2010.
The event kicks off at 10pm with dancers performing the routines from the 'This Is It' show. At 11pm-midnight Kenny Ortega, Travis Payne and the 'This Is It' dancers will meet fans and sign copies of the DVD and Blu-ray which are officially released on Monday 22nd February.
'Michael Jackson's This Is It' directed by Kenny Ortega, documents Michael Jackson's rehearsals and preparation for the series of concerts. The film is now the highest grossing concert movie and documentary in the history of cinema.

_tzupidity
18-02-2010, 03:49 PM
let me tell you kid

Age measures how long you've been in the classroom, not how much you've learnt. Your ignorance amuses me.


That's why there are so many people who make fun or discredit my posts. They are afraid because they recognize it as true. Some are actually out of it and it just doesn't rezonate with them.

I think a more likely reazon may be that you're full of zhit. A little knowledge is a dangerouz thing, ezpecially in the handz of an American.

Lazt weekend I created a new Mazonic Degree called Captain Condezcenzion. It waz for Grand Zecretary when hiz ignorance amused me, but I think you've earnt it, too. Congratulationz Zoon! I think I may have to make a badge for it if I hand any more out.

Can we go back to the topic now peoples, it's nice to have a thread to read that doesn't end up being about Jews, Reptiles and/or Pedophiles.

Thank you ^_^

soon
18-02-2010, 05:38 PM
yes.



pull the other one



But again you are just repeating stuff that david icke, cathy o brien brice taylor, Arizona Wilder, and stewart swerdlow and many others have spoken/written about. This is really well known information, you aren't informing us of anything. I do not actually 100% trust or belive the stories of any of the above anyway, although I do believe it goes on, I believe in these cases the info is deliberatel planted disinfo to create fear, distraction and diversion from what is really going on.

Yes I have no doubt this is possible and does go on but so far you are repeating stuff that others have said. There are some people on this forum who also claim to have had this stuff happen to them, but you are also just repeating them too

lol u are a genius !:rolleyes:


maybe people like you, new age freaks that is deserva all this shit

it is obvious I am talking to the wall

I did not expect so many retards on these forums. So tell me Gaga, what do you know besides what u red in books or on the internets ?

I'll tell you : nothing

So why don't we all fuck off all this " disinformation " and patiently wait for event to unfold

meanwhile I'll search for some quality porn as explaining to your hercule poirot alter why shit is brown and smells is obviously pointless

gaias child
18-02-2010, 09:07 PM
lol u are a genius !:rolleyes:


maybe people like you, new age freaks that is deserva all this shit

it is obvious I am talking to the wall

I did not expect so many retards on these forums. So tell me Gaga, what do you know besides what u red in books or on the internets ?

I'll tell you : nothing

So why don't we all fuck off all this " disinformation " and patiently wait for event to unfold

meanwhile I'll search for some quality porn as explaining to your hercule poirot alter why shit is brown and smells is obviously pointless

You are clearly very disturbed and need help.

soon
18-02-2010, 10:39 PM
You are clearly very disturbed and need help.
ironic shit as I can only help myself

dontcha think?


I was programmed to the max ... am I normal ? fuck no

Sometimes I wonder myself why I came here on this forum ... just to listen to "gaia" telling me I am a fraud

want me to prove you I am the real deal ?

humito
18-02-2010, 10:57 PM
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

link to part one of about ten.........worth a look.

subl1minal
18-02-2010, 11:12 PM
Well, first off, if he HAD done 50 shows he would have only reached a few thousand people with his message, and outside the actual performance, he would have had his message filtered through the mainstream media. This Is It has grossed well over 200MM, with his message heard by the millions, rather than thousands, that have seen it. We also got to see Michael as he really is...caring, thoughtful, patient, respected, etc. Earth Song was really hyped for the Grammy's and again, a song that got little airplay previously, sent a powerful message to a very large audience. We got to see his children as the bright, thoughtful, respectful and mature people that they are.

When he returns, he will have the attention of nearly everyone on the planet. I guess we just wait to see how it all plays out.

Good point.

I'd love to believe he's alive though, but he's not. There's no way anyone could pull it off with the people who are in real power. They just wanted him out of the way and the more weird things surrounding his death the better. It distracts people.

gaias child
19-02-2010, 06:08 AM
Good point.

I'd love to believe he's alive though, but he's not. There's no way anyone could pull it off with the people who are in real power. They just wanted him out of the way and the more weird things surrounding his death the better. It distracts people.

This is what I think too, that the powers that be had made his life hell for so long and destroyed his career, were part of creating the false charges, Evan Chandler, according to Geraldine Hughes who was secretary for EC attorney said Evan said on a tape that there were other people behind him to destroy Michael , they wanted to create him financial problems to force him to sell the catelogue, but he refused. for him to fake his death, he would need help from ptb and I really can't see that happening. Besides he was terrified of prison, he wouldn't take the risk of being caught doing it, it is considered a serious offence.

I just want to know how they did it. I've read that for assassination of high profile people , ie john lennon,mind control sleepers are used, this way the real killers get away with it.

I also wonder who is paying Conrad Murray defence and bail as he is a doctor in severe debt.

He has also recently changed his story, and said he got the timeline wrong, confirmation to me that my first hunch was that something actually went wrong and it was never meant to go down as manslaughter but accidnetal was right

gaias child
19-02-2010, 06:12 AM
Age measures how long you've been in the classroom, not how much you've learnt. Your ignorance amuses me.



I think a more likely reazon may be that you're full of zhit. A little knowledge is a dangerouz thing, ezpecially in the handz of an American.

Lazt weekend I created a new Mazonic Degree called Captain Condezcenzion. It waz for Grand Zecretary when hiz ignorance amused me, but I think you've earnt it, too. Congratulationz Zoon! I think I may have to make a badge for it if I hand any more out.

Can we go back to the topic now peoples, it's nice to have a thread to read that doesn't end up being about Jews, Reptiles and/or Pedophiles.

Thank you ^_^

This is hilarious, thanks for that

gaias child
19-02-2010, 06:40 AM
ironic shit as I can only help myself

dontcha think?


I was programmed to the max ... am I normal ? fuck no

Sometimes I wonder myself why I came here on this forum ... just to listen to "gaia" telling me I am a fraud

want me to prove you I am the real deal ?

Oka aay.. so you have been ritually tortured and abused by illuminati, mind controlled into a split multiple personality and programmed to the max but now you've escaped,but you don't want to share with anyone how you did that,you are just extremely offensive to anyone who asks you anything, or questions the vailidity with all the holes in your stories,and now you claim to have de programmed yourself without specialist help,which the others claim they had years of, and also claim they cannot be fully deprogrammed, so your the first. lol. I don't believe that is possible .... you are full of ish... . believe it or not I am entititled to my own opinion.

I'm not trying to prove you are a fraud, you are doing that all on your own, all I did was point out you were quoting verbatim material from stewart swerdlow, as did someone else on another thread, and your response is this

some morons like you deserve nothing but to be left in your own misery


I did not expect so many retards on these forums. So tell me Gaga, what do you know besides what u red in books or on the internets ?

I'll tell you : nothing


For your information, I neither believe nor disbelieve anything I read in books or on the internet, I use my own intuition, to form my own opinion, which is neither right or wrong,it is just an opinion, which it seems you don't understand the concept of.



If you want to continue with your offensive insults, can you take it to another thread, this one is about investigating what happened to Michael

soon
19-02-2010, 10:35 AM
well ... maybe there is a reason why my info is similar with Stewart's

as far as Michael, he was ritually eliminated

gaias child
19-02-2010, 01:04 PM
well ... maybe there is a reason why my info is similar with Stewart's

as far as Michael, he was ritually eliminated

So why couldn't you respond like that in the first place instead of saying people are morons who deserve a miserable life.

I also suspect that there is a ritual around MJ elimination

soon
19-02-2010, 01:33 PM
So why couldn't you respond like that in the first place instead of saying people are morons who deserve a miserable life.

I also suspect that there is a ritual around MJ elimination

The difference between you and me is that I don't suspect...I know. I don't believe .. I have lived it.

without a trace of being condescending, explaining you why Illuminati do what they do would be like explaining complex math to someone who does not understand how to add and multiply or what numbers are.

First learn the adding and multiplying and then try to see the bigger picture

I would have a hard time making a point here where all the audience is indoctrinated by them and under mind control

They use your mind against itself as a fails safe mechanism that protects the programming in your mind. They built your database. So anything that comes and contradicts what you "know to be true" you automatically reject or put a question mark at best as you are doing now.

This is just how the human mind works.

I trully believe that to explain the population what really goes on they would need to do at least basic deprogramming to at least have a decent chance of assimilating and understanding the information.

So basically anything I'd say is futile.

On a side note : the rituals are recorded although not through conventional means.

soon
19-02-2010, 01:41 PM
Michael was eliminated as he was no longer able to fullfill what he was supposed to do. Not alone. Toghether with him there were 6 other 70's and 80's icons eliminated as well as new ones.


They are replacing old with new . Lady Gaga is new

Reptilians and the shapeshifters in reptilian form are androginous. That's why the male female line has been blurred so much. That's why Lady Gaga is a hermafrodite. And that's why there are so many gay entertainers...

All is moving towrds a few very defined objectives... public pedofilia, public sacrificial ritual, loss of identity and group mentality.

Based on their model and needs. That's why you see so much sex and younger and younger, more brutal stuff ( porn), all the live leak type sites and videos ( public display of sacrifices to desensitize and easier acceptance )

Today's teenagers don't blink watching sex with a 12 yo girl or someone being butchered on camera. That should tell people something but noone is payin attention cause they are kept busy in a neverending revolving wheel of making money to be able to spend money ( for them of course )

Sometimes I refuse to think that humanity is that stupid oblivious and stubborn to see. But when you realize that the whole planet is under mind control, then you understand.

Illuminatti are not many.. they are maybe 200 k at most. But .. thier biggest weapon is mind control. And it is a mighty powerful weapon !

ladylay
19-02-2010, 03:38 PM
First of all i am indeed new.
Well i´ve been reading lots and lots of stuff here also.. So in a way ´new´.

Soon How do you know all this stuff. It´s interresting.
I was trying to send a pb, but couldn´t so that´s why i´m doing it this way.
I rather do it trough pb...but anyhow...

soon
19-02-2010, 04:08 PM
First of all i am indeed new.
Well i´ve been reading lots and lots of stuff here also.. So in a way ´new´.

Soon How do you know all this stuff. It´s interresting.
I was trying to send a pb, but couldn´t so that´s why i´m doing it this way.
I rather do it trough pb...but anyhow...
Unfortunately I was used in mindcontrol experiments and I was a very important project for them ... I went through stuff that would make Star Trek seem like Teletubbies


But because I have this demeanor people seem to doubt what I say. They made me able to adapt to ANY environment so I can talk to both the so called scientific community AND internet warriors :)

I have 2197 facets so you take your pick as to whom you'd like to speak haha

soon
19-02-2010, 04:11 PM
by the way lady : you are not "new"

there is a reason why you were atracted to this ;)

Maybe it was time for you to figure some things out. And it has to do with yourself and noone else for that matter.

soon
19-02-2010, 04:32 PM
LADYLAY

in the screen name you chose there are 2 mindpatterns that standout right away :

- overcoming your unwillingness to change and having to make major choices

the numerical value of your screen name is 6 and represents new ideas or vision and it's caracterized by the color blue

ladylay
19-02-2010, 04:46 PM
Haha, that´s the name of my dog. :D
Shortcut Lady.

Well, indeed i wanna now more things then all the stuff that i´ve read on the internet.
Cause there are alot of things that, ofcourse, isn´t there.

I am interrested in, for one, what you know more about this case.
MJ. Facts that aren´t written before here.

And of course how you´ve became free from the place where you were, in the way that you are living on yourself or family etc. Or how you´ve figured out that something wasn´t right.
And how you are co-operating with it. If i may be so free to ask you that.

But the last thing is maybe better trough pb, cause this treat is about MJ.

soon
19-02-2010, 05:08 PM
Haha, that´s the name of my dog. :D
Shortcut Lady.

Well, indeed i wanna now more things then all the stuff that i´ve read on the internet.
Cause there are alot of things that, ofcourse, isn´t there.

I am interrested in, for one, what you know more about this case.
MJ. Facts that aren´t written before here.

And of course how you´ve became free from the place where you were, in the way that you are living on yourself or family etc. Or how you´ve figured out that something wasn´t right.
And how you are co-operating with it. If i may be so free to ask you that.

But the last thing is maybe better trough pb, cause this treat is about MJ.

I don't do PM cause I want everyone to learn something from what I write so I'll keep everything open.

Your dog is a reflection of you ;) ... all pets are

MJ is simple . I will detail here what I know went on.


Genetics : blonde blue eyed and red haired green eyed are the original human genes.... all the permutation and add ons and everything that went on changed to the variety we see today.

Remember I said before that Human race was built using mind control. EVERYTHING is about mind control. So : the fair skin and blue/green/etc eyed poeple have this special enzime in their genes that make mind control easier.

The reason why Illuminati systematically erased and marginalized the other native dark races throughout the history was because THEY WERE VERY DIFFICULT TO PROGRAM .

This includes the black race. During the 50's and 60's, the Illuminati tried to experiment with programming icons for the black folks to download programming easier. Amongst many, MJ WAS THE MOST COMPLEX AND SUCCESSFULL EXPERIMENT TO DATE.

That's why Michael was so BIG. This is why we witnessed the music industry churning black entertainers more and more ( rappers in the 80's, all the gangsta shit in the 90's and all the rap/hiphop/pop black black pop dives nowadays )

It has to do with programming the segment they struggled with : blacks ... guess what ? when did sports superstars started appearing ? 60's ... 70's

NBA stars...black..Athletics ... black ... NFL,,,ETC ETC .. Serena and Venus ( go figure )...etc

They needed all these black entertainers, movie stars and star athletes because it was difficult to conventionally program the black race.


got it ?

Do people understand what Michael was ? he was not a normal being .. he was not a human being ..he was a program overloaded being who completely lost his own mind : black/white, male/female, kid/adult, human/robot, etc

When the Illuminati decided they had enough from him...they plugged him out. Simple as that.

I am sorry to crap on the Michael myth but this is what/who he was.

ladylay
19-02-2010, 05:41 PM
Thanks.
That is quite interresting.

But they wanted to shut him up much early, cause he was going his own way from around 1990.

And yes, they were still getting there money even so. But they wanted him to shut up big time.

soon
19-02-2010, 05:45 PM
Thanks.
That is quite interresting.

But they wanted to shut him up much early, cause he was going his own way from around 1990.

And yes, they were still getting there money even so. But they wanted him to shut up big time.
lol ... you are naive

he never ever went "his way".... and he didn't own shit ... that was a front for the public

what people saw and heard and what actually happened are 2 things from 2 separate realities

as I said before : sorry to take a large crap on the Michael Myth but it was what it was ...





PS : they never had to "shut him up" as he was "speechless" all the time ... a spectator to his own " life "

ladylay
19-02-2010, 05:58 PM
i never said that he ownd his own live. Cause that's not true.
People were doing that for him.
But i was thinking about heal the world songs etc. Doing good stuff, like going to hospitals. That was never in the news. Stuff like that.
Of course he was never free. Thats obvious.

I'm getting you're point of view also. Don't misunderstand that. I'm looking at the view from different angles. :)

gaias child
19-02-2010, 06:19 PM
The difference between you and me is that I don't suspect...I know. I don't believe .. I have lived it.

without a trace of being condescending, explaining you why Illuminati do what they do would be like explaining complex math to someone who does not understand how to add and multiply or what numbers are.

First learn the adding and multiplying and then try to see the bigger picture

I would have a hard time making a point here where all the audience is indoctrinated by them and under mind control

They use your mind against itself as a fails safe mechanism that protects the programming in your mind. They built your database. So anything that comes and contradicts what you "know to be true" you automatically reject or put a question mark at best as you are doing now.

This is just how the human mind works.

I trully believe that to explain the population what really goes on they would need to do at least basic deprogramming to at least have a decent chance of assimilating and understanding the information.

So basically anything I'd say is futile.

On a side note : the rituals are recorded although not through conventional means.

Here we go again, I know that Soon. I am never so arrogant to think I know 100% everything as I know that I don't unlike you. So what was the ritual around MJ death, who did it and how? and where was he at the time. Stop being so condescending,you are not the only person on the planet to have experiences of the illuminati. lots of what you are saying has been said by others and I've read it all before

I also know they are recorded, and put into movies and noone knows what they are watching

ladylay
19-02-2010, 06:48 PM
Gaiaschild I also know they are recorded, and put into movies and noone knows what they are watching


As in normal movies :eek:

Or the underground movies ?

soon
19-02-2010, 06:58 PM
Gaiaschild I also know they are recorded, and put into movies and noone knows what they are watching


As in normal movies :eek:

Or the underground movies ?
no gaya

the things I talk about you never see or have a chance to see etc

fuck no they are not anywhere lol

I swear to got some of you are so inocent

If you wanna conceal something you don't put it in the movies ! Jesus

soon
19-02-2010, 07:02 PM
Here we go again, I know that Soon. I am never so arrogant to think I know 100% everything as I know that I don't unlike you. So what was the ritual around MJ death, who did it and how? and where was he at the time. Stop being so condescending,you are not the only person on the planet to have experiences of the illuminati. lots of what you are saying has been said by others and I've read it all before

I also know they are recorded, and put into movies and noone knows what they are watchinglol

if you already know stop asking ;)

I'm not gonna answer what you think I should but what I want. I wasted enough energy.... I'll have a manicure now.

ladylay
19-02-2010, 07:16 PM
no gaya

the things I talk about you never see or have a chance to see etc

fuck no they are not anywhere lol

I swear to got some of you are so inocent

If you wanna conceal something you don't put it in the movies ! Jesus



No dude. I know that!!!!!!!! :p
THAT would be serieus stupid. :rolleyes:

I was answering tot gaiaschild.

gaias child
19-02-2010, 07:23 PM
lol

if you already know stop asking ;)

I'm not gonna answer what you think I should but what I want. I wasted enough energy.... I'll have a manicure now.

Good, what a relief,please take your inside information somewhere else if you don't want to contribute to finding out what happened to Michael.

I think you have come to this thread to deliberate derail it

gaias child
19-02-2010, 07:24 PM
no gaya

If you wanna conceal something you don't put it in the movies ! Jesus

Actually that is exactly how you conceal it, where to best hide something in plain site. geez your the innocent one, I thought you knew all about mind control

soon
19-02-2010, 07:25 PM
Good, what a relief,please take your inside information somewhere else if you don't want to contribute to finding out what happened to Michael.

I think you have come to this thread to deliberate derail itand I think you talk out of your ass and should just mind your bussiness

kisses ;)

soon
19-02-2010, 07:26 PM
Actually that is exactly how you conceal it, geez your the innocent one

actual ritual footage in movies ? ? ?

whatever you are smoking I want some hahaha

gaias child
19-02-2010, 07:27 PM
actual ritual footage in movies ? ? ?

whatever you are smoking I want some hahaha

I didn't say the satanic type of ritual you are talking about, you see to think this is the only type of ritual. the mafia when they assassinate is part of a ritual, I believe mj was assassinated by mafia and it will be in a movie and it has been filmed. Princess Di death was a ritual

gaias child
19-02-2010, 07:28 PM
and I think you talk out of your ass

kisses ;)

that is hilarious coming from you

soon
19-02-2010, 07:34 PM
that is hilarious coming from you

right back atcha new age freak ;)

ladylay
19-02-2010, 07:35 PM
Both, I know that from inside info too

Well, they are sick people so yeah...They do it all the time, like the whole wrestling scene and everything.
Well, there is gonna be alot of research happening i guess. :D

soon
19-02-2010, 07:36 PM
I didn't say anyone's ritual, i said the murder of MJ will be in a movie and it has been filmed. The type of ritual I mean is not the type that is in the book you have been readinghahahaha ok "gaia"

gaias child
19-02-2010, 07:47 PM
Well, they are sick people so yeah...They do it all the time, like the whole wrestling scene and everything.
Well, there is gonna be alot of research happening i guess. :D

Yeah, my grandad used to work for Walt Disney, it is rumoured that Walt Disney company has a sister company underground movie stuff, and snuff movies etc, I do not know for certain whether it is true but I wouldn't be surprised. It is not a subject I want to get into on this thread, as it is not relevant to finding who/how/why Michael was killed and detracts from finding what happened to Michael and this thread is about the murder of Michael Jackson.

I also worked in the industry as did my parents and much of what soon is saying such as this is not true in my experience.

Originally Posted by soon
read this and remember

ALL the icons you admire on TV have been anally raped...music, sports, tv etc

ladylay
19-02-2010, 08:30 PM
I'll go with you on that.
It's mostly a-listed people.

gaias child
19-02-2010, 08:47 PM
I'll go with you on that.
It's mostly a-listed people.

Disney puts in subliminal porn images in popular kids movies have you seen them? this is what they do, hide it plain site, it is obvious but when you are not looking you don't notice. Some people think they just put them in for a joke but I'm not so sure. They know how subliminal messaging works on a kids brain, I don't think they care if we know.

ladylay
19-02-2010, 09:10 PM
Yes, i know that.
Seen some also, and promoting that the movies are wholesome. :rolleyes:

soon
19-02-2010, 09:35 PM
this thread sucks ass

I'm going for a smoke

andiliz
19-02-2010, 09:56 PM
Good point.

I'd love to believe he's alive though, but he's not. There's no way anyone could pull it off with the people who are in real power. They just wanted him out of the way and the more weird things surrounding his death the better. It distracts people.
Some think the Illuminati forced Michael Jackson to fake his own death.
So would the Illuminati do this?
I don't really know how they work.
Forced him to fake his own death or they killed him?
Which do you think happened?

soon
19-02-2010, 10:53 PM
acording to gagaschild Michael was videotaped moonwalking in heaven and the Illuminati will release the tape in a 48 hour mockumentary released by Disexney entitled " This Iz It 2 : Micheal and the breakdancing Cherubims "

http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/anti-pope-jp2-breakdancing.jpg

gaias child
19-02-2010, 10:58 PM
Yes, i know that.
Seen some also, and promoting that the movies are wholesome. :rolleyes:

Yeah, but the point is why are they there and what is the purpose of them, what do they exactly do to a child's brain, if anything at all,and if they don't do anything why put them there

gaias child
19-02-2010, 11:00 PM
Some think the Illuminati forced Michael Jackson to fake his own death.
So would the Illuminati do this?
I don't really know how they work.
Forced him to fake his own death or they killed him?
Which do you think happened?

Interesting theory! Do yo have any more info? I think it is more likely he was killed because of all the money they will make from his death,but you never know

andiliz
19-02-2010, 11:34 PM
Interesting theory! Do yo have any more info? I think it is more likely he was killed because of all the money they will make from his death,but you never know
Either way Gaias Child Michael Jackson is dead to the world I think he will not be coming back into the public arena again. :(

soon
19-02-2010, 11:39 PM
Interesting theory! Do yo have any more info? I think it is more likely he was killed because of all the money they will make from his death,but you never know

what I gather fro your posts is that you talk a lot without really saying anything

layzie kidd
20-02-2010, 12:15 AM
acording to gagaschild Michael was videotaped moonwalking in heaven and the Illuminati will release the tape in a 48 hour mockumentary released by Disexney entitled " This Iz It 2 : Micheal and the breakdancing Cherubims "

http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/anti-pope-jp2-breakdancing.jpg

According to this idiot, he thinks throwing mediocre insults and using the grammar of a retard is going to make anyone pay attention to him.

soon
20-02-2010, 12:24 AM
According to this idiot, he thinks throwing mediocre insults and using the grammar of a retard is going to make anyone pay attention to him.

mike is dead


move on

andiliz
20-02-2010, 01:18 AM
mike is dead


move on
Soon who do you think killed Michael Jackson?
I think Dr. Murray is just a fall guy what do you think?
Dr. Murray might not even be the one that killed him some other government patsy killed him?
Is Tommy Mattola to do with his death?

gaias child
20-02-2010, 06:30 AM
lol

if you already know stop asking ;)

I'm not gonna answer what you think I should but what I want. I wasted enough energy.... I'll have a manicure now.

You know what I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you don't answer anything,anyone asks you on any thread and jsut throw offensive insults and have no interest in contributing anything useful to what how why with mj death, other than he was murdered, which we all know anyway.
actual ritual footage in movies ? ? ?

whatever you are smoking I want some hahaha

yes, but rituals aren't always the satanic type which you seem to think is the only type of ritual, which imo are nothing to do with the illuminati . The mafia take people out and their assassinations are also a ritual and they film it, the music/movie industry is run by the mafia, Sony is Mafia. Princess Di death was a ritual, and yes it was filmed, and the soldiers killed in wars are also part of a ritual.

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you need to understand that I was chosen for my unique genetics

they cannot build unless they have the necessarry genetics already in place and construct upon them

There was a model before me and I am a more advanced version .. and a back up server for the previous



Well in that case if you are the best they can do we have nothing to worry about, did they make an error by giving you no respect or manners.

Soon you do nothing but insult people and you haven't provided any information that contributes to MJ death that isn't already on the internet and the end of the day is your opinion which you are entititled too as much as anyone else, you don't know any more than anyone else does, even though you claim to know everything for 100% fact, and you just have tried to make this thread about you with info that is already is someone elses' book or website. But you think it is ok to insult people to the max who point this out or who don't agree with your point of view.

blondie
20-02-2010, 10:23 AM
Hello,

I'm new here this is my first real post so I feel quite out of place! Please go easy on me :D
I came across this site while looking for information on Michael, and I don't really know anything about the Illuminati, mind control, programming or any of this stuff but I've been trying to get a basic understanding of it, to better understand what happened last year with Michael.
I know it's not something to be learnt overnight or even in months but I'm a blank page. I strongly believed Michael was alive until around 3-4 months ago when I discovered all this other information about him being controlled. Now I really just want to know a bit more so I can try to understand.
I know nothing about the mind control, but I have heard some of the stuff written in Soon's posts about the raping of the Jackson brothers before the shows etc.

I have a few questions... They might seem really silly but like I said I'm new to this and trying to learn :)

Soon said a few things I'd like answers to if possible, from Soon or anyone else...

1: if you would know what his life was REALLY like and understood how he was programmed etc etc you'd prolly freak out and never ever aproach conspiracy stuff again
I am just wondering how you know what his life was really like... If you have been through this experience, you'll have in depth knowledge on it but how do you know what really happened in Michael's life? What I mean by this is, anyone can look from the outside no matter how much knowledge they have on a subject but can you really know what happened with certainty without being there to witness these things?

2: ALL the icons you admire on TV have been anally raped...music, sports, tv etc
If this is true, to what degree is it true? I mean...Is it mainly child stars, or very rich stars? Because I know I admire comedians and people that would be considered to be not very well known. & if it is ALL people in the music, film, television and sporting industry, how many hundreds of thousands of people this would be? Does no one manage to come out of this like you have or ever escape this and bring it to any sort of public attention. I have seen 2/3 people on certain forums that claim to have been through this and deprogrammed. If this happens to people that are not in certain industries, how many of the thousands that this "all" covers, actually do what you have done and are able to tell people about it?

3: Mike was really fucked up and yes he did molest the kids although in his mind he loved them
I have a question about the court case. You say he did molest children... Do you have evidence of this? How did the the courts find him innocent on all charges if he actually did this? It's well known over 50 officers raided Neverland and turned it upside down, and took all his computers. Are the police involved in this too? If so, what would be the point raiding Neverland, handcuffing him, and taking it to court. If this happens to so many people, are you the only one that would have this evidence that he molested children? Would everyone sit back and let this happen if they knew it was happening?


Sorry if this seems like an interrogation, just some things that I would like to get straight in my head.

gaias child
20-02-2010, 11:00 AM
Hello,

I know nothing about the mind control, but I have heard some of the stuff written in Soon's posts about the raping of the Jackson brothers before the shows etc.



There is one source for this information and that is Brice Taylor who claims she witnessed it and is in her book which I've read called Thanks for the memories There is no way of knowing for certain whether this is true or not, I personally do not believe everything Brice Taylor says, she is far too together for someone ritually tortured and raped from birth whose programming broke down. Having that done to you though if it were true, is most likely to make you seriously mentally ill and severely traumatised when the programming broke down

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674

andiliz
20-02-2010, 02:41 PM
There is one source for this information and that is Brice Taylor who claims she witnessed it and is in her book which I've read called Thanks for the memories There is no way of knowing for certain whether this is true or not, I personally do not believe everything Brice Taylor says, she is far too together for someone ritually tortured and raped from birth whose programming broke down. Having that done to you though if it were true, is most likely to make you seriously mentally ill and severely traumatised when the programming broke down

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=149674
I agree 'Brice Taylor', 'Cathy O'Brien' and 'Arizona Wilder' all seem far too together to of gone through "trauma-based mind control" and to of lived through their programming breaking down.
They are like the 'pin-up girls' for "trauma-based mind control"- MK Ultra.
Both Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor say they have daughters who are in mental hospitals they say their daughters are severely traumatised souls completely broken down from their abuse.
Cathy O'Brien knows Roseanne Barr and I don't trust what Roseanne says in her blogs she says she has DID and has said some very bad stuff about MJ. :(
Some others who speak out about Hollywood are La Toya Jackson, Lauryn Hill, Janice Dickinson, Courtney Love and Dave Chapelle. I trust what Lauryn Hill and Dave Chapelle say.