The Bermuda Triangle

[chattanova]

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Also known as The Devil’s Triangle, refers to the tragedy-prone area of fifty miles of ocean, located between Florida and the Bahamas, where more than 200 people have been lost without a trace. The official explanation given by authorities blames freak storms, which seems plausible, but doesn’t explain why ships and airplanes seem to be swallowed up whole, vanishing from the earth.

The earliest recorded ship to suffer such a fate was the vessel, the Rosalie in 1840, and the last known ship was a yacht by the name of Connemara IV in 1956.

The first reported airplane disappearance was an eerie occurance that happened on December 5, 1945. On a routine, 2 hour patrol off Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 5 avenger fighters disappeared completely, after reporting to the control tower that their instruments were going crazy, and that everything is wrong, strange…even the ocean looked strange. The tower was puzzled… the planes should be able to see the sun now set low in the sky. Radio contact became more and more difficult. Finally, a Martin Mariner plane with a crew of 13 headed out to the planes’ last known position.. About 20 minutes later, there was a bright, orange flash in the sky, and no trace was ever found of the 5 avenger planes or the Martin Mariner plane.

In April of 1952, One man, Gerald Hawkes, had a strange experience in his plane while flying from Idlewild (now Kennedy) Airport to Bermuda, and lived to tell about it. During a clear-skied, windless late afternoon, Hawkes began his trip. Suddenly, his plane dropped 200 ft, like he fell down a lift-shaft in the air. His plane then shot up again. This pattern began again, like a giant hand was moving his plane up and down, his wings flapping like a bird. To make matters worse, they couldn’t make radio contact with either Florida or Bermuda, and had no idea where they were, because of instrumentation problems. Luckily for Hawkes, they finally made contact with a radio ship, and were able to get their bearings. Hawkes thought that perhaps he was "caught in an area where time and space seem to disappear."

A journalist, Vincent Gaddis wrote a book about mysterious occurrences that have happened at sea, called "Invisible Horizons." In the last chapter, Gaddis speculates that there may be "a space-time continua that may exist around us on the earth, interpenetrating our known world."

Some believe that on the surface of the earth, their are whirlpools "where gravity and terrestrial magnetism are weaker for some unknown reason. Aliens from outer space may know of these whirlpools and pick up humans from them for further study.

Ivan Sanderson made an interesting discovery. While looking on a map of the world, he discovered that all the areas where strange disappearances at sea had occurred were all shaped like "lozenges," and surrounded the globe in two rings, each located between 30 degrees C and 40 degrees C, both North and South of the equator. These 10 funny places were 72 degrees C apart. Interestingly, earthquake specialist discovered that Sanderson’s "lozenges" matched his map of seismic disturbance areas, that are located in kind of a trough that encircles the core of the earth, which "determined the direction of seismic activity."

Their conclusion that if the weird occurrences were caused by whirlpools, they were perfectly normal whirlpools caused by the earth’s tendency to "burp" on occasion.

Charles Berlitz came out with a book on the Bermuda Triangle, speculating creatively about the possible explanations of the disappearances involving UFO’s, space-time warps caused by magnetic vortex (a la the Philadelphia Project), intelligent aliens, etc. While low on scientific precision, it became a huge hit with the public masses.

Some important clues to this mystery can be gleaned from the experiences of those who have escaped the clutches of the Bermuda Triangle. In 1964, on a return trip from Nassau, on his way to Miami, Florida charter pilot, Chuck Wakely all of a sudden noticed a faint glow around the wing tips of his plane, at 8,000 feet. As the glow increased in brightness to a blinding level, his electronic control instruments went haywire, causing him to fly the plane manually. As the glow decreased he was able to gain control of his instruments.

In 1966, a tugboat captain, Don Henry was on his way from Puerto Rico to Fort Lauderdale on a clear afternoon. Suddenly the compasses on his tug began to spin wildly as a strange darkness descended on them and the horizon couldn’t be seen. Water was coming in all directions, and their electrical power failed completely. A dense fog covered their tug. Luckily, their engine kept going and they moved out of the fog. Looking back, the fog was densely concentrated in a solid block, "a bank." Inside this area, the sea was boiling. Outside this area, the sea was calm.

The fact is that our earth’s magnetic field isn’t "symmetrical and precise," but has many pitfalls and abnormalities, tied to perhaps the movement of the earth’s molten core, acting much like sun spots. Such earth quakes in our magnetic field would cause symptoms experienced by the tug boat captain and the charter airplane pilot.

This theory deserves further investigation. With Satellites spinning 150 miles above the earth, scientists could observe these outbursts of magnetic activity, and could learn to predict when they would happen, which would prevent any more tragic incidents, or scary experiences that cause nightmares in these "funny places."

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So what do you think i going on there?

[amerigirl]

I've always been curious about that area. Awfully strange and w/ so much "technology" you think they would know by now what is going on there.
I don't really have any conclusions on it, just maybe a type of whirlpool, or some type of hoax to scare ppl away from that area b/c something is there?! I don't really know?!
What are YOUR thoughts of it?

[chattanova]

I've always been curious about that area. Awfully strange and w/ so much "technology" you think they would know by now what is going on there.
I don't really have any conclusions on it, just maybe a type of whirlpool, or some type of hoax to scare ppl away from that area b/c something is there?! I don't really know?!
What are YOUR thoughts of it?

Thanks for your reply amerigirl;)
I have absolutly no idea of whats going on there, but as you said ''it's a hoax to scare people away from there'' sounds right to me, but Im not sure if thats the smartest method to keep people(the curious ones) away from there:rolleyes:
Some years ago there was alot talking about the triangle but lately I haven't heard a thing about it :confused:

[1 2 free]

I saw a map of ley lines recently (on this forum I think) and there was a big meeting point where lots of major leylines crossed in the 'Bermuda Triangle' area.

[graflok]

Another part of the puzzle is the Sargasso Sea which is right there in the
triangle.

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It's a strange area that is choked by sargussum (a sea weed) and there is
little or no wind most of the time.

I suspect there is something going on down there. ;)

[hagbard_celine]

Some say there's a small orifice in the crust between the inner and outer Earth, so if you take a submarine down in the right place you won't find the sea bed at all, you'll go straight through and come out in the inner earth's ocean!

[pumma]

So what do you think i going on there?

It could be:

a) Nothing
b) Good bed-time story
c) A portal/Gate to other realities (Stargate)
d) Place where energy/vibrations are high
e) Other...

[chattanova]

It could be:

a) Nothing
b) Good bed-time story
c) A portal/Gate to other realities (Stargate)
d) Place where energy/vibrations are high
e) Other...

f) A tilt in the matrix..

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

A portal/Gate to other realities (Stargate)

we are the stargate

[measle_weasel]

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So what do you think i going on there?

Gas bubbles.

[halleyscomet]

I've always been curious about that area. Awfully strange and w/ so much "technology" you think they would know by now what is going on there.
I don't really have any conclusions on it, just maybe a type of whirlpool, or some type of hoax to scare ppl away from that area b/c something is there?! I don't really know?!
What are YOUR thoughts of it?

The triangle is also one of the most heavily traveled hunks of ocean on the planet. Since it has more boats going through it than the rest of the surrounding ocean, it would be a statistical quirk if it DIDN'T have a correspondingly higher rate of ships lost at sea.

In other words, the high rate of lost ships is expected given the traffic in the area. Busy highways will have more car crashes, there's nothing unusual about that.

[marpat]

I watched a documentary on it and apparently there is another such area on the opposite side of the globe, possibly connected through the earth. Cant remember the program though. Think the other place was near Japan.

My father spent years at sea and thought the whole things was rubbish as he had passed through that area several times.

[halleyscomet]

I watched a documentary on it and apparently there is another such area on the opposite side of the globe, possibly connected through the earth. Cant remember the program though. Think the other place was near Japan.

My father spent years at sea and thought the whole things was rubbish as he had passed through that area several times.

Hmm, so the "corresponding" spot is near Japan, another heavily traveled portion of the ocean.

Notice the correlation folks? High traffic areas have more shipwrecks. I wonder what dark, mysterious force could be causing it!

Could it be (drum roll please) ... STATISTICS!

[marpat]

Hmm, so the "corresponding" spot is near Japan, another heavily traveled portion of the ocean.

Notice the correlation folks? High traffic areas have more shipwrecks. I wonder what dark, mysterious force could be causing it!

Could it be (drum roll please) ... STATISTICS!

One interesting thing they done though was to use a device that would measure changes in the magnetic field. While they were filming the device did give off an alarm which also seemed to correspond to the weather getting worse. Who knows though, could have been an elaborate set up.

The dragons triangle is the place I was thinking of.

http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Places-of-Mystery-and-Power/Japan-s-Dragon-s-Triangle.html

[halleyscomet]

One interesting thing they done though was to use a device that would measure changes in the magnetic field. While they were filming the device did give off an alarm which also seemed to correspond to the weather getting worse. Who knows though, could have been an elaborate set up.

The dragons triangle is the place I was thinking of.

http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Places-of-Mystery-and-Power/Japan-s-Dragon-s-Triangle.html

It sounds like the dragon's triangle is not just heavily traveled but also prone to some extreme weather conditions. Those two factors alone would account for a higher number of vanishing ships.

[marpat]

It sounds like the dragon's triangle is not just heavily traveled but also prone to some extreme weather conditions. Those two factors alone would account for a higher number of vanishing ships.

Indeed, especially if fluctuations in the earth magnetic field are messing with compasses.

[venividivici2311]

Hmm, so the "corresponding" spot is near Japan, another heavily traveled portion of the ocean.

Notice the correlation folks? High traffic areas have more shipwrecks. I wonder what dark, mysterious force could be causing it!

Could it be (drum roll please) ... STATISTICS!

Could be so,but why is it that,for example the rotterdam port is one of the biggest and busiest ports in the world,i never heard of a ship sinking while heading towards the port,from the north sea,wich is a pretty violent sea???

[halleyscomet]

Could be so,but why is it that,for example the rotterdam port is one of the biggest and busiest ports in the world,i never heard of a ship sinking while heading towards the port,from the north sea,wich is a pretty violent sea???

Well part of it is going to be the nature of the traffic. Areas with a lot of recreational boating are going to be more prone to accidents. Amateurs tend to screw up more often than professionals. A lot of the ships lost in the Bermuda triangle are personal boats of dubious maintenance. The very nature of the traffic in the triangle is going to be another reason to expect more disasters than in areas with a higher percentage of commercial traffic.

A high percentage of Rotterdam traffic is commercial in nature. They have a lot of big ships running on schedules with cargoes. Their arrivals are tracked and coordinated in a manner not unlike air traffic control. Increased attention and organization is going to reduce accidents. Rotterdam isn't going to have Joe the retired stock broker taking a bunch of drunk vacationers out for illegal fishing, but the Bermuda triangle will.

Rotterdam is one of the better run ports on the planet. There have been exhaustive debates about the need to have certain coordinator roles filled in all circumstances, but the results have tended to err on the side of caution. Comparing a chunk of poorly controlled Caribbean ocean including multiple countries and international water with one of the highest tech, best run ports on the planet is, quite frankly, absurd. It's a bit like comparing China syndrome style meltdown rates in US nuclear power plants to the number of campfires that get out of control in the wilds of California.

[venividivici2311]

Well part of it is going to be the nature of the traffic. Areas with a lot of recreational boating are going to be more prone to accidents. Amateurs tend to screw up more often than professionals. A lot of the ships lost in the Bermuda triangle are personal boats of dubious maintenance. The very nature of the traffic in the triangle is going to be another reason to expect more disasters than in areas with a higher percentage of commercial traffic.

A high percentage of Rotterdam traffic is commercial in nature. They have a lot of big ships running on schedules with cargoes. Their arrivals are tracked and coordinated in a manner not unlike air traffic control. Increased attention and organization is going to reduce accidents. Rotterdam isn't going to have Joe the retired stock broker taking a bunch of drunk vacationers out for illegal fishing, but the Bermuda triangle will.

Rotterdam is one of the better run ports on the planet. There have been exhaustive debates about the need to have certain coordinator roles filled in all circumstances, but the results have tended to err on the side of caution. Comparing a chunk of poorly controlled Caribbean ocean including multiple countries and international water with one of the highest tech, best run ports on the planet is, quite frankly, absurd. It's a bit like comparing China syndrome style meltdown rates in US nuclear power plants to the number of campfires that get out of control in the wilds of California.

And what about airplanes,they went missing also?

[halleyscomet]

And what about airplanes,they went missing also?

Most of the missing aircraft were smaller planes flown by pilots who didn't exactly have the same level of experience you'd expect in major airline pilots. They have a higher crash rate than larger craft to start with. Puddle hoppers are also notorious for lax maintenance which further pushes up the crash rate. The bulk of the missing craft are from the 40's and earlier, when instrumentation was far less sophisticated than it is today. The engines were also less able to deal with variances than modern aircraft.

All that said, there are some extenuating circumstances in the Bermuda Triangle not present in a lot of other areas. The sea bed is prone to releasing large bubbles of methane gas. There was a special on the Discovery channel where they were examining some crashed WWII era military craft. They took a reproduction engine and simulated the engine flying through a large, but not unreasonable methane bubble. Sure enough, it caused the engine to stall. While this would be a recoverable problem at a decent altitude, if the aircraft was flying low, as these military ones were to avoid radar, the aircraft would be in the drink before even the best pilot could get it restarted.

Once you take all those factors into account with the higher traffic level you can easily see why a lot of aircraft would be lost in the Bermuda triangle. Even if you ignore the methane bubbles inferior maintenance and less experienced pilots are more than enough to explain the crashes.

[thelyran]

...another brilliant Chattanova thread...if you take an incredibley large drill and
bit,drill right through the centre of the Bermuda Triangle,you will come out
into the Devils Sea,near Japan...where very similar events and disappearances
occur...and very credible UFO sightings have been documented in both areas
most recently in the Devil's Sea...Funny,The Bermuda Triangle is the rumoured locale of The Lost City Of Atlantis and indeed,there appears to be
man-made roads and statues retrieved from the floorbed of relics that appear to be white European in appearance...In one year the sea floor changed shape and rose from 3000 feet to 1000 foot in depth...there are many secrets that is yet to be revealed about ancient power sources and the effect they have on the enviornment...remember this,Nikola Tesla,did'nt just drop his free energy experiments and get into mysticism and occultism for nothing...he foreseen the possible mis-use of his technology...I'm sure there is much more to the anomalies than gas-bubbles,what about the missing time
from many airliner flights?The very fabric between dimensions maybe distorted here...others discuss one theory in a different thread and debunk
whats going on here,show no consistency.
To this day,flights are routed around these areas,at the expense of more fuel,time and other unconsidered factors...if corporations recognise these hazards,maybe those who consider themselves researchers,should do the same.

[halleyscomet]

...another brilliant Chattanova thread...

I'll set aside your unsourced claims of archaeological finds and just link to some really cool information about Atlantis.

The Truth about Atlantis THEY don't want you to know (http://blog.matthewmiller.net/2009/02/truth-about-atlantis-they-dont-want-you.html)

[thelyran]

I'll set aside your unsourced claims of archaeological finds and just link to some really cool information about Atlantis.

The Truth about Atlantis THEY don't want you to know (http://blog.matthewmiller.net/2009/02/truth-about-atlantis-they-dont-want-you.html)

...yeah cute bunnies...
Atlantis The Lost Continent Found ,Charles Berlitz,1984...even has pretty pictures both black and white...

Maps Of The Ancient Sea Kings...Charles H Hapgood 1966

...those books are sitting right in front of me...feel better now.

[halleyscomet]

...yeah cute bunnies...
Atlantis The Lost Continent Found ,Charles Berlitz,1984...even has pretty pictures both black and white...

Maps Of The Ancient Sea Kings...Charles H Hapgood 1966

...those books are sitting right in front of me...feel better now.

Because photos of underwater structures that may be ruins prove you're looking at the ruins of Atlantis.

I have no doubt there are underwater ruins from ancient times. Areas that were once above water can be submerged for a variety of reasons. The problem is, there's no evidence that these ruins are Atlantis. Those two books are perfect examples of people taking unrelated stories of "lost" civilizations and combining them to support the Atlantis myth.

[thelyran]

Because photos of underwater structures that may be ruins prove you're looking at the ruins of Atlantis.

I have no doubt there are underwater ruins from ancient times. Areas that were once above water can be submerged for a variety of reasons. The problem is, there's no evidence that these ruins are Atlantis. Those two books are perfect examples of people taking unrelated stories of "lost" civilizations and combining them to support the Atlantis myth.

...you are entitled to your interpretation...but remember this,where did Plato get his information,from the priest and temples of Ancient Egypt...
Do not forget,myths and legends contain truth as well...and I'm sure many
strange occurances are interpretted only in a way that reflects the thinking of that time...like the fire chariots and Wheels of Ezekiel,from the bible,that's supposed to be all myth too.

[halleyscomet]

...you are entitled to your interpretation...but remember this,where did Plato get his information,from the priest and temples of Ancient Egypt..

Actually, no, he MADE IT UP, just like all the other cities used to illustrate philosophical points in the SAME BOOKS. It's pretty clear from the context of the books that he made it up.

Have you actually read the books where Plato mentions Atlantis? And I don't mean JUST the Atlantis parts, but the rest of the books as well?

[thelyran]

Actually, no, he MADE IT UP, just like all the other cities used to illustrate philosophical points in the SAME BOOKS. It's pretty clear from the context of the books that he made it up.

Have you actually read the books where Plato mentions Atlantis? And I don't mean JUST the Atlantis parts, but the rest of the books as well?

and your unsourced claims here...look,don't waste your time,like I said,you're entitled to your opinion...I'm not a chat buddy,find someone else...ok
if you're just here for debunking over the name Atlantis,but you know about sunken cities...good,you're half way there.

[octopusrex]

Kids, kids, kids..

I keep telling you. Atlantis is something in our future.

[thelyran]

Kids, kids, kids..

I keep telling you. Atlantis is something in our future.

...I'm sorry sir!!!...me bad...:)

[octopusrex]

...I'm sorry sir!!!...me bad...:)

I liked the nazi mouse better.

[thelyran]

I liked the nazi mouse better.


Cat...I'm going back to it after I get tired...I watched Thomas The Tank this morning and was greatly inspired:D