JFK: Mysterious Occult Cloud Hovering Over Driver?

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(EDIT: Correction - now that I'm more familiar with the positions in the vehicle, I see that the cloud as described below is actually hovering over Kellerman, the front seat passenger, not Greer, the driver, although this doesn't change the essence of what is written)

I've been examing the evidence that JFK's driver, William Greer, turned around and fired the fatal head shot that killed the President (related thread here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70066).

I think it's highly likely based on the visual evidence, and believe that the controllers would only have taken such an audacious risk if the whole thing was the occult ritual that has been claimed elsewhere.

Possibly:

a) Greer was the backup man, charged with ensuring that Kennedy died at the exact right place if the snipers failed to do their job properly and kill him outright,

and/or:

b) It was esoterically important that the driver 'betray the King' and be the one to carry out the murder.

Keeping that in mind, take a look at the clip of the Secret Service agents being stood down from guarding the limousine prior to the assassination, and focus on the mysterious oily shadow that moves along the length of the car from 2:13 onwards, finally coming to a rest hovering over William Greer's (correction: Kellerman's) head before the scene cuts to the next shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

Here is the breakdown:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4807

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4808

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4810

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4811

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4812

I'm wondering if anyone can explain this away, and would also like to hear people's thoughts on the entire occult angle to the JFK assassination.

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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4808

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4810

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4811

This shouldn't be dismissed as a simple glitch in the film (EDIT: video) because the shadow inexplicably doesn't obscure the window trim and other places within the car.

In the last image above you can see it's sitting in a cloud around Greer (correction: Kellerman) in front of his seat and draping over the back of it.

Any thoughts?

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bump.

[limelady]

Interesting size!

There is no doubt in my mind the JFK killing was an occult ritual, but I'm going to need a little time to get my head round what this black 'blobish' thing is we're seeing here. However, this entire scene has a very eerie feel about it.

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Interesting that the black blob appears and then moves forward to engulf the driver at the moment when the ritual begins (i.e. when the agents are first stood down and the limousine drives off unprotected).

It's definitely something within the scene and not a blemish on the film surface (EDIT: Actually, I'm pretty sure this is video, not film) because it gets into the front seat of the car and is partially obscured by the upholstery.

It can't be a static shadow the car passes under because it catches up to the limo moving in the same direction, and if it was the shadow of a cloud moving overhead it wouldn't suddenly stop and hover over Kellerman.

I'm puzzled.

[pinkfreud]

interesting.

have you observed this only in the b&w footage or the coloured stabilized zapruder film too? i watched the coloured film and there's no hint of a dark 'cloud' in it, i wonder why.

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interesting.

have you observed this only in the b&w footage or the coloured stabilized zapruder film too? i watched the coloured film and there's no hint of a dark 'cloud' in it, i wonder why.

It's not in the Zapruder film...I've only seen it in this one.

If it is occult-related, that might be because this was the moment when the ritual began and the dark energy was conjured and briefly appeared before entering the vehicle to possess the front seat occupant/s.

I'm about to look at it in closer detail in Photoshop to see what I can find.

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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4822

[limelady]

interesting.

have you observed this only in the b&w footage or the coloured stabilized zapruder film too? i watched the coloured film and there's no hint of a dark 'cloud' in it, i wonder why.

It was most likely 'corrected' (removed) pinky.

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At 2:14 in the clip, just before the oily cloud appears racing up the back of the limo, a small, 'dark haze' shimmers briefly in the front seat of the vehicle.

Although there are puddles and dark areas on the tarmac in the background that are visible through the wndshield at this time, the dark haze is distinctly different to them if you watch that moment a few times over. It looks like it's between the windshield and the front seat occupants.

Hard to get a proper impression of it from a stillframe, but here it is:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4821

Immediately after this small dark cloud appears, the big dark cloud slides into view, moves over the car and settles where the smaller one was in the front seat, around the front passenger, Kellerman.

This happens a split second after Kellerman gives a furtive glance back over his right shoulder to view the Secret Service Agents waving their arms in confusion at having just been stood down, which would be the perfect moment of confirmation to begin the ritualistic act that was to follow.

Speculation: the small cloud was an activation of the ritual that conjured up and drew in the large cloud to consume and possess Kellerman, and possibly the driver, Greer.

The small cloud originates close to Kellerman, and since he was the man who took direct control of all of the events after the assassination, perhaps he initiated whatever happened and was Greer's handler/had him under a spell, if the driver did in fact pull the trigger.

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While the doctors worked, Jackie stood in a corner with Presidential Physician George Burkley and "rested her spattered cheek" on Burkley's shoulder, then "knelt in the President's blood and closed her eyes in prayer." Later, in the corridor, Secret Service Chauffeur Bill Greer came up to her and sobbed, "Oh Mrs. Kennedy, oh my God, oh my God, I didn't mean to do it, I didn't hear, I should have swerved the car, I couldn't help it." Then he embraced her and wept on her shoulder.

from: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,843514-2,00.html

and this:

It has been estimated that 59 witnesses and the Zapruder Film indicated that Greer stopped after the first shot was fired. However, when interviewed by the Warren Commission, Greer claimed: "I heard this noise. And I thought that is what it was. And then I heard it again. And I glanced over my shoulder. And I saw Governor Connally like he was starting to fall. Then I realized there was something wrong. I tramped on the accelerator, and at the same time Mr. Kellerman said to me, "Get out of here fast." And I cannot remember even the other shots or noises that was. I cannot quite remember any more. I did not see anything happen behind me any more, because I was occupied with getting away."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgreerW.htm

Only a cretin, a liar or a victim of brainwashing would say and do all those things.

[limelady]

Only a cretin, a liar or a victim of brainwashing would say and do all those things.

My own thoughts exactly. :)

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My own thoughts exactly. :)

from wikipedia:

His testimony seems to deny that he turned to look directly at Kennedy during the shooting, although the Zapruder film shows him doing so. Secret Service procedures in place at the time did not allow Greer to take action without orders from senior agent Roy Kellerman, who sat to Greer's right. Kellerman has stated that he shouted, "Let's get out of line, we've been hit," but that Greer apparently turned to look at Kennedy, initiating a fatal delay, before accelerating the car out of the danger zone. As Roy Kellerman told author William Manchester, "Greer then looked in the back of the car. Maybe he didn't believe me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Greer

"Let's get out of line, we've been hit" sounds like the trigger-phrase.

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from: http://community-2.webtv.net/Larry762/fontcolor3300FF/page4.html

Witnesses make the case for the Limousine Driver shooting JFK!

On 3-12-92 I interviewed one Fred Newcomb, who researched, along with co-author Perry Adams, a book entitled "Murder from Within," © 1975 derived from original research done in Dallas in 1968 when the memories of witnesses were still fresh.

Mr. Newcomb felt his book made the case for the limousine driver shooting JFK so well that he sent copies of the book to the 1975 Congress and Senate because he felt he would be guilty of "obstruction of justtice" if he did not do so.

These are the witnesses whose statement to Mr. Newcomb and sometimes the Warren commission included the words "in the car."

1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.

2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."

3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.

4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."

5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.

6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository"


'Nose' witnesses

It is reasonable to assume that if a gun were fired in the limousine, then there would be the smell of gunsmoke. There was and Mr. Newcomb located 6 nose witnesses:

1.Senator Ralph Yarborough

2. Patrolman Joe W. Smith

3. Congressman Ray Roberts

4. Thomas C. Clifford

5. Elizabeth Cabell, wife of Dallas Mayor.

6. Robert W. Jackson

http://community-2.webtv.net/Larry762/fontcolor3300FF/page4.html

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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4822

Are we witnessing a spell in progress?

Is this interesting, or total bullshit?

I don't understand why limelady and pinkfreud are the only two people who have commented on it.

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Are we witnessing a spell in progress?


Must be.

Otherwise one of you gormless cocksuckers would have said something.

Cat got your tongue?

[biblegirl]

:eek: nice find size

as soon as i saw the stills here, i got that shadow people type of vibe, dark entity perhaps? at the meet in derbyshire Jane told me about the ritualistic significance of Kennedy's assassination, born at a certain location on a ley line on a certain date with so many letters in his name, etc.

i wish i could remember it all!

reminds me of this pic:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Shadow_Person.html

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Yes bg, it does have a similar quality to the 'shadow person' in those photos, thanks for the link.

[limelady]

Must be.

Otherwise one of you gormless cocksuckers would have said something.

Cat got your tongue?


http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/760500/760585_1e10_625x1000.jpg


;)


For what its worth, yes, I do believe the black blob in those frames may well be a dark energy spell in progress.

Was my first thought actually.

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The end times rituals

William B Stoecker: The late author James Shelby Downard believed that the Masonic alchemists and occultists who many of us believe are taking over the world have three magical rituals to perform to complete their "great work" of eradicating Christianity and Judaism and bringing about a one world fascist state.

These are the creation and destruction of first (primal) matter, the killing of the king, and the revelation of secrets. I have not found any mention of this in any histories of the occult or any writings by or about the Masons. Yet I see evidence in modern history that Downard may be on to something. I have discussed in another article evidence that our calendar is contrived to keep us in the dark and that, from a historical perspective, the twentieth century began in 1913 with the creation in the US of the Federal Reserve, the income tax, and direct election of senators, moves designed to destroy the freedom of America, considered to be the "New Atlantis" in the occultists' scheme of things. The last year of this century would then be 2012, and this and other evidence have convinced me that this date will indeed be the end of an age, as predicted by the Mayans.

There are two opinions regarding the creation and destruction of first matter. Some believe that it means the development of nuclear power, and, particularly, nuclear weapons. This certainly involves the destruction of matter, as some of the binding energy in the nuclei is converted into gamma radiation. The creation part is a little harder to see, but intermediate nuclei are created, and subatomic particles like neutrons are released, and they are certainly primal. It is interesting to note that the bomb was wholly a creation of the political left, contrary to what most people have been conditioned to believe. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who initiated the Manhattan Project, was an extremely left wing Democrat, as was his successor, Harry Truman, who continued the project and ordered the bombs dropped on Japan. The chief scientist, Robert Oppenheimer, was, after all, a Communist, and it was he who hired the Communist spies who gave the secret to Joseph Stalin, up to that time the greatest mass murderer in human history, worse even than Hitler. After the war, Britain's Labor government built their own bomb. But the bomb was also a creation of the occult Masonic Order. FDR was a thirty second or thirty third degree Mason (accounts differ) who took office, like Hitler, in 1933. Harry Truman, a thirty third degree Mason, was our thirty third president. Most historical accounts state that project head General Leslie Groves was also a Mason. The bomb was first tested at Trinity Site in New Mexico, less than a degree off the thirty third parallel. The number thirty three, in case you haven't noticed, is sacred to the Masons.

Our Moon missions, named after the pagan god Apollo, did not create or destroy matter, but they did bring to Earth extremely ancient rocks from another world. It was preceded by Project Mercury and Project Gemini, and NASA's symbol for Project Mercury was the alchemical symbol for the element, which alchemists believed to be the primal matter. Buzz Aldrin, one of the first astronauts on the Moon, in Apollo 11 (one third of thirty three), was a Mason, as were many of the leaders of NASA, and all seven of the original Project Mercury astronauts and at least four of the twelve men who walked on the Moon. Neil Armstrong may have been a Mason. Aldrin carried a Masonic flag to the Moon. And many of the founders of NASA were former members of the Nazi Party, brought to the US as rocket scientists under Operation Paperclip, and the Nazi Party was created by the occult Thule Society.

Given the importance of America, the New Atlantis, the murder by a large group of conspirators of a popular US president can certainly qualify as the "killing of the king " ritual. JFK was killed on November (the eleventh month) twenty second, and eleven plus twenty two is thirty three. He was killed in Dallas within less than a degree of the thirty third parallel (like the Trinity nuclear test site) near the Trinity River. And with 1913 as the first year of the final century of the age, 1963 is exactly at the mid century mark. Kennedy's death brought Freemason Lyndon Baines Johnson to power, and he moved America far to the left with gun control, Medicare, and the Civil Rights Act. The radical student movements and the radicalization of our universities began in 1964 at Berkeley.

As to revealing secrets, the elites can count on the fact that most people are programmed to see, not what is in front of their eyes, but what they are told to see. As an example, a home video by the Columbine High School murderers was shown on Fox and other news networks showing the two "lone gunmen" being taped by a camera clearly held by a third person some distance away. Incredibly, in one scene, a third young man can clearly be seen, and a fourth person is holding the camera. Apparently the killers were not as alone as we have been told, but no one in law enforcement or the media followed up on this, and the public, for the most part, literally did not see what was right in front of them. Yet, as secret after secret is placed before us in the most obvious and blatant fashion, our conditioning seems to be wearing off.

Buzz Aldrin has actually admitted what many suspected all along, that Apollo Eleven was followed by a UFO, as were other Moon missions, and a tape of one of these has been shown on the networks. Shuttle pilot Story Musgrave has narrated a video on television of a serpentine blob that he saw in space. The Cydonia and other structures on Mars and on the Moon are clearly visible to anyone able to escape the programming, as well as ponds of meltwater on Mars and other evidence that the Martian atmosphere is denser than we have been told. Clear videotapes of ufos seen by thousands of people are becoming commonplace. A tank on one of the "airliners" hitting the World Trade Center is clearly visible; hence, it was not an airliner. The towers can clearly be seen collapsing straight down at freefall speed, possible only with controlled demolitions. And there is more, much more.

Those who do not want to see the truth will never see it, but more and more of us are opening our eyes. Whether Downard was correct or not about the rituals is impossible to say with any certainty, but we do seem to be fast approaching the end of everything we have for so long taken for granted. One thing is certain; as the Duke of Wellington said of the Battle of Waterloo, it will be a "close run thing."

William B Stoecker

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/column.php?id=119885

[rodin]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74729

Your second post assured us Jackie did not do it. We proved she did, it was occult, the street was off the main route, and Zapruder must have known of last minute diversion.

Furthermore all the main players are Judaics

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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74729

Your second post assured us Jackie did not do it. We proved she did, it was occult, the street was off the main route, and Zapruder must have known of last minute diversion.

Furthermore all the main players are Judaics

I haven't seen any evidence that Jackie did it, and frankly, I think the idea is pretty silly.

What do you think of the dark cloud in the OP clip here?

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Was Kennedy's
murder actually
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http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/MCIJFKA3.html

The more one studies mind control, secret societies and the occult, the more one understands the subtlety and hidden symbolism of the Kennedy assassination.

James Shelby Downard's underground classic, "Sorcery, Sex, Assassination and the Science of Symbolism," links American historical events with a grand occult plan to "turn us into cybernetic mystery zombies." The assassination of JFK was a performance of the occult ritual called The Killing of the King, designed as a mass-trauma, mind-control assault against the national body-politic of the United States.

Mr. Downward's co-researcher and author, Michael A. Hoffman II, wrote in "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare" that "fabled alchemy had at least three goals to accomplish before the total decay of matter, the total breakdown we are witnessing all around us today, was fulfilled and these are:

"The Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter.

"The Killing of the Divine King.

"The Bringing of Prima Materia to Prima Terra."

Hoffman writes:



[The following excerpt is copyright (c) 1995 by Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved. Used by permission.]

Since ancient times these were the goals of the Gnostic-Rosicrucian-Masonic-Hermetic Academy, an elite as real and corporeal as President Bush's Skull and Bones society at Yale University; the Bohemian Grove in California; Dr. John Whiteside Parson's Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) also in California; General Albert Pike's Scottish and Palladian Rites of Freemasonry and a host of lesser imitators. All of these cults have or had the highest possible offices, connections and old boy networks.

The Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter was accomplished at the White Head ("Ancient of Days"), at White Sands, New Mexico, at the Trinity Site. The Trinity Site itself is located at the beginning of an ancient Western road known in old Mexico as the Jornada del Muerto (the Journey of the Dead Man).

Early in this century a Freemason named Peter Kern was ordered to build a highly symbolic "Gate of Death" at a key point on this ancient trail. It was known as the Gate with a Thousand Doors.

At the front of this gate Kern was ceremonially murdered (decapitated) by a hooded executioner. Gary Trudeau satirized the Aztec-masonic Comazotz head-chopping cult of the American Southwest in a series of December, 1988 "Doonesbury" cartoons which depicted Skull and Bones initiates trying to dispose of a number of heads including that of Pancho Villa, a key political operative of the cryptocracy who was in fact also ritually decapitated.

Other occult rituals for the Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter were played out in the general area of the 33rd degree of north parallel latitude in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. The Trinity Site is also at this latitude.

There are 33 segments in the human spinal column which according to occult lore is the vehicle of the fiery ascent of the Kundalini serpent force which resides in the human body. 33 is the highest degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. Near the Trinity Site a derelict shack was symbolically dubbed "MacDonald House." The Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter occurred exactly on the Trinity Site, the "Place of Fire," with the explosion of the first atomic bomb, culminating untold thousands of years of alchemical speculation and practice.

The Killing of the King rite was accomplished at another Trinity site located approximately ten miles south of the 33rd degree of north parallel latitude between the Trinity River and the Triple Underpass at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas. Dealy Plaza was the site of the first masonic temple in Dallas. In this spot, which had been known during the 19th century cowboy era as "Bloody Elm Street," the world leader who had become known as the "King of Camelot," President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, was shot to death.

A widely publicized image which has become perhaps the key symbol of the enigma of the Kennedy hoodwink, emerged immediately in the wake of the assassination: a photograph three "tramps" in official custody, who were unexplainably released and never identified, though speculation about who they really were has reached fever pitch among investigators.

This photograph is a ritual accompaniment of the Black Mass that was the ceremonial immolation of a king, the unmistakable calling card of masonic murder, the appearance of Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum, the three "unworthy craftsmen" of Temple burlesque, "that will not be blamed for nothing.' This ritual symbolism is necessary for the accomplishment of what James Shelby Downard and I described in the first edition of Apocalypse Culture, as the alchemical intention of the killing of the 'King of Camelot':

"...the ultimate purpose of that assassination was no political or economic but sorcerous: for the control of the dreaming mind and the marshaling of its forces is the omnipotent force in this entire scenario of lies, cruelty and degradation. Something died in the American people on Nov. 22, 1963 -- call it idealism, innocence or the quest for moral excellence. It is the transformation of human beings which is the authentic reason and motive for the Kennedy murder..."

The seemingly random and senseless slaughter of a President the week before Thanksgiving, by having his head blown apart in those now infamous Zapruder film frames, is the signpost of humanity's entry into what David Cronenberg in his Videodrome Rosicrucian cinematic manifesto termed, "Savage New Times."

The search for the three assassins has become a trip up and down Tim Finnegan's ladder, a ladder containing "one false step after another." It is a masonic riddle several magnitudes above the pedestrian, CIA-Mafia-Anti-Castro-Castro-KGB-Texas rightwing etc. etc. political "solutions" pushed by the various books and movies which sometimes only serve to confuse and demoralize us all the more.

The Alchemy of Ritual Murder

What ought to be unambiguous to any student of mass psychology, is the almost immediate decline of the American people in the wake of this shocking, televised slaughter. There are many indicators of the transformation. Within a year Americans had largely switched from softer-toned, naturally colored cotton clothing to garish-colored artificial polyesters. Popular music became louder, faster and more cacophonous. Drugs appeared for the first time outside the Bohemian subculture ghettos, in the mainstream. Extremes of every kind came into fashion. Revolutions in cognition and behavior were on the horizon, from the Beatles to Charles Manson, from Free Love to LSD.

The killers were not caught, the Warren Commission was a whitewash. There was a sense that the men who ordered the assassination were grinning somewhere over cocktails and out of this, a nearly-psychedelic wonder seized the American population, an awesome shiver before the realization that whoever could kill a president of the United States in broad daylight and get away with it, could get away with anything.

A hidden government behind the visible government of these United States became painfully obvious in a kind of subliminal way and lent an undercurrent of the hallucinogenic to our reality. Welcome to Oz thanks to the men behind Os-wald and Ruby.

There was a transfer of power in the collective group mind the American masses: from the public power of the elected front-man Chief Executive, to an unelected invisible college capable of terminating him with impunity.

For the first time in their history since the 1826 masonic assassination of writer William Morgan, Americans were forced to confront the vertiginous reality of a hidden power ruling their world. Sir James Frazer writing in The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion, explains that when the "divine king" is murdered by one who is himself stronger or craftier, those powers of "divinity" which were the king's are "Sympathetically" and "Contagiously" transferred from the vanquished to the victor.

The entry of this awareness into the subconscious Group "Dreaming" Mind of the American masses instituted a new simulacrum. The shocking introduction of a diametrically different, new "reality" is a classic scenario of another phase of alchemical programming known to the cryptocracy as "Clamores. "

Dave Marsh writing in Rolling Stone magazine (Feb. 24, 1977): "The Beatles have always had an intimate connection to the JFK assassination. He was shot the week before Thanksgiving 1963. By February 1964, the Beatles were number one in the national charts and the climactic appearance on Ed Sullivan's TV show occurred. Even Brian Epstein (the manager of the Beatles) believed the Kennedy assassination helped their rise -- the Beatles appeared to bind our wounds with their messages of joy and handholding... And the way was paved, replacing Camelot with Oz."

Now the American people were forced to confront a scary alternative reality, the reality of a shadow government, over which they had neither control or knowledge. The shepherding process was thus accelerated with a vengeance. Avant-garde advertising, music, politics and news would hereafter depict (especially in the electronic media) -- sometimes fleetingly, sometimes openly -- a "shadow side" of reality, an underground amoral "funhouse" current associated with extreme sex, extreme violence and extreme speed.

The static images of the suit-and-tie talking heads of establishment religion, government, politics and business were subtly shown to be subordinate to the Shadow State, which the American people were gradually getting a bigger glimpse of out of the corner of their collective eye. The interesting function of this phenomenon is that it simultaneously produces both terror and adulation and undercuts any offensive against it among its percipients, which does not possess the same jump-cut speed and funhouse ambiance.

There is a sense of existing in a palace of marvels manipulated by beautiful but Satanic princes possessed of so much knowledge, power and experience as to be vastly superior to the rest of humanity. They have been everywhere. They have done everything. They run the show which mesmerizes us. We are determined to watch it. We are transfixed and desperate to see their newest production, their latest thrilling revelation, even when the thrills are solely based upon the further confirmation of our dehumanization.

J.G. Ballard: "In this overlit realm ruled by images of the space race and the Vietnam War, the Kennedy assassination and the suicide of Marilyn Monroe, a unique alchemy of the imagination was taking place... The demise of feeling and emotion, the death of affect, presided like a morbid sun over the playground of that ominous decade."

The role assigned to us is that of zombies called upon by our shadow masters to perform bit parts and act as stock characters in their spectacular show. This mesmerizing process produces a demoralized, cynical, double-mind.

--"Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare," pp. 91-95.

("Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare" is available for U.S. $12.95 plus $2.50 shipping (overseas remit $5.00 shipping), from: Independent History and Research, Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho 83816.)



The perpetrators deliberately murdered JFK in such a way as to affect our national identity and cohesiveness -- to fracture America's soul. Even the blatancy of their conspiracy was designed to show their "superiority" and our "futility." "They" were doing to the nation what they had been doing to individuals for years.

Looking into the subject of mind-control, one finds that the scope is wide and methods used are sophisticated. Mind control traces its origins to religious institutional use by priesthoods. Techniques of mind control developed in our western culture were field-tested by the Jesuits, certain Vatican groups, and various mystery religions, secret societies and masonic organizations. Methods tested during the Inquisition were refined by Dr. Josef Mengele during the reign of the Third Reich.

After World War II, thousands of Nazi scientists, researchers and administrators were "smuggled" into the United States against direct written orders from President Harry S. Truman, through Operation Sunrise, Operation Blowback, Operation Paperclip and other covert ops.

Soon afterwards, a mind control project called Marionette Programming imported from Nazi Germany was revived under the new name, "Project Monarch." The basic component of the Monarch program is the sophisticated manipulation of the mind, using extreme trauma to induce Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), now known as Disassociative Disorder.

In public testimony submitted to the President's Committee on Radiation, there are amazing allegations of severe torture and inhumane pogroms foisted upon Americans and other citizens, especially as children. These same children were used in radiation experiments. They detail the drug and traumatic methodology of sophisticated mind control. Candy Jones and Cathy O'Brien tell similar stories of brutal mind control experimentation as part of the CIA's MKULTRA program. Many mind control survivors speak of a "Dr. Greene." Some researchers have identified Dr. Greene as the infamous Dr. Mengele.

But mind control programs and assassinations are merely part of a much larger "enterprise" being carried out by an international network of power interests. In 1995, a researcher-lawyer anonymously posted his ten-year investigation of this conspiracy on the Internet. Calling the JFK assassination part of a 50-year conspiracy, he detailed the structure of this international network, which he named "the group." The inner workings and "New World Order" agenda of this group fit snugly with what other researchers have called the Illuminati.

http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/MCIJFKA3.html

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With Kennedy being killed on Elm Street, I'm wondering if there's a real connection to the film "A Nightmare on Elm Street," and if clues and subliminals to the nature of the ritual have been inserted into that film.

From the previous post:

"...the ultimate purpose of that assassination was no political or economic but sorcerous: for the control of the dreaming mind and the marshaling of its forces is the omnipotent force in this entire scenario of lies, cruelty and degradation. Something died in the American people on Nov. 22, 1963 -- call it idealism, innocence or the quest for moral excellence. It is the transformation of human beings which is the authentic reason and motive for the Kennedy murder..."

Connection #1, right there.

I haven't had time to think this through very thoroughly yet, so if anyone else has seen the movie recently, or knows it well, contributions about the possible symbolism present in the film would be greatly welcomed.

Here's a few ideas that have already come to mind:

The name 'Freddy Krueger' contains both the words "Freud" (subconscious) and "Degree" (Masonic). His initials are FK (JFK?).

Below is an interview with Wes Craven, the creator of A Nightmare on Elm Street, talking about the genesis of his screenplay. This is the official story, but I thought it was worth posting, in case there are any clues in it to some other, more esoteric origin to the idea behind the film.


Creating Freddy: A Talk with Wes Craven
By: William Schoell

Although Wes Craven has said that the idea for the original Nightmare on Elm Street came to him suddenly in a restaurant, the idea had been germinating inside his subconscious for quite a while. Like most artists, Craven's idea came from a variety of sources from childhood onward. Freddy Kruegar, for instance, was inspired by a grown man Craven saw outside his apartment building late one night when he was in the sixth grade. He heard a "scraping, rustling noise" outside his second-floor bedroom window.

"When I looked down there was a man very much like Freddy walking along the sidewalk. He must have sensed that someone was looking at him and stopped and looked right into my face. He scared the living daylights out of me, so I jumped back into the shadows. I waited and waited to to hear him walk away. Finally I thought he must have gone, so I stepped back to the window. The guy was not only still looking at me but he thrust his head forward as if to say ' Yes, I'm still looking at you."

The strange man walked down the street and turned the corner toward the apartment-building entrance as Craven watched in horror. " I ran through the apartment to our front door as he was walking into our building on the lower floor. I heard him starting up the stairs. My brother, who is ten years older than me, got a baseball bat and went out to the corridor but he was gone.

As an adult I can look back and say that was one of the most profoundly frightening experiences I have ever had. The guy has never left my mind, nor has the feeling of how frightening an adult stranger can be. He was not only frightening, but he was amused by the fact he was frightening and able to anticipate my inner thoughts.

The essential premise of A Nightmare on Elm Street was "based on a series of small articles that ran in the Los Angeles Times about people inexplicably dying in their sleep."

The articles are proof that sometimes truth can be stranger than fiction. There is an unsettling sameness to the stories, which Craven clipped and saved. First a young Asian immigrant died after telling his parents about a disturbing nightmare. Six months later another young man had a disquieting nightmare and died in his bed after going back to sleep. "The eeriest case was a boy who had a nightmare that was worse than anything, " according to Craven. "His family tried to quiet his nerves, and he refused to sleep. He stayed up several nights, and they sent for a doctor who gave him sleeping pills. The kid threw them away. Finally there was a night when the kid could not stay up any longer, and he went to sleep. The house was quiet at last. The parents were relieved that their kid was getting some rest. Then they heard this horrendous scream from the bedroom."

The parents ran in and found the boy thrashing in his bed, only to fall still a moment later and die. "An autopsy revealed there was nothing wrong with him, no heart failure or any reason for his death. He was just dead."

I became fascinated with the idea of harm happening to a person in such a way that people would not be able to clearly discern if the harm came in a dram or if it came in reality. Those two notions became the backbone of the idea of a killer murdering someone in their sleep.

The first name of Craven's archvillain also came from his past. "Fred was my worst enemy in junior high school. He and I both had paper routes and shared the same drop-off point for newspapers. We used to get into a fight every day. Fred became my least favorite name. Kruegar was a variation on Krug, the chief villain in Craven's first film (Last house on the Left ) and a little in-joke.

There was a definite reason for Craven to give his "hero" a razor-fingered glove. "Part of it was an objective goal to make the character memorable, since it seems that every character that has been successful has had some kind of unique weapon, wether it be a chain saw or a machete, etc. I was also looking for a primal fear which is embedded in the subconscious of people of all cultures. One of those is the fear of teeth being broken, which I used in my first film. Another is the claw of an animal, like a saber-toothed tiger reaching with it's tremendous hooks. I transposed this into a human hand. The original script had the blades being fishing knives."

Getting the script produced was no easy matter. New Line couldn't raise the money at first, so Craven sent the script elsewhere. "My agent at the time sent it to all the major studios. I have a nice collection of rejection letters--Universal, Paramount, all those places. It wasn't scary enough, or it was too bloody, or ' nobody will be afraid of anything that happens in a dream. The horror film is dead.' This was during a period where horror films were sort of on the way out. It was a backlash against the Friday the 13th [series]."

Craven had censorship battles with the Motion Picture Producers Association. "They told me that their attitude was that the film was good enough it didn't need the gore. It was like they were making an arbitrary decision that this was what they thought he film needed and didn't need." The M.P.P.A. censor had problems with the death of Tina and the fountain of blood that comes from the bed after Glen is murdered.

I said, "How about The Shining, where a whole elevator of blood comes streaming out and floats furniture and everything else?' They said every film was judged on it's own merit. In the end Craven had to make trims in the scene with Tina and cut about twenty feet out of the fountain of blood scene.

A Nightmare on Elm Street won the critics prize at the 1985 Avoriaz (France) Festival of Fantastic Films and established Wes Craven's reputation in the horror-film industry for decades to come.

http://nightmareonelmstreetfilms.com/nightmareinterviewswes.html

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Illuminati pyramid with the all-seeing eye above her head?

Freddy's fingerblades also doubling as Masonic compasses?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4831

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Is the red and green sweater significant?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4832

Tim Rifat talks about the Rothschilds and their red and green line rituals...

There must be other occult meanings behind combining these two colours.

Red-green colour blind?

Anything there connect back to JFK?

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brilliant thread.
re. red and green, the templar colours are red and green, and, red and green should never be seen except on an Irish colleen springs to mind.

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brilliant thread.
re. red and green, the templar colours are red and green, and, red and green should never be seen except on an Irish colleen springs to mind.

I read somewhere that red and green are the most effective colours to use in trauma-based mind-programming as well.

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Maybe it's just me, but Heather Langenkamp, who starred as the teen in peril in "A Nightmare on Elm Street", reminds me sometimes of a teenaged Jacqueline Bouvier:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4834

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4833

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4835

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4836

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And in the final scene of the movie, the 1959 Cadillac she climbs into get's possessed by Freddy, as the red and green striped convertible hood comes down, enclosing her and the three other occupants inside.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=407&pictureid=4836

As the four victims scream in terror, the last shot shows the car driving off down Elm Street, with Freddy chuckling demonically in the background.

Gee, I wonder if there's any connection?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=318&pictureid=4808

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Here's the final scene in the movie, as mentioned above.

Skip to the 7:20 minute mark to see what I'm getting at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYNeTyMwY4&feature=PlayList&p=18547BA0DEA67CE4&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9

No doubt the ghosts of the three murdered young girls dressed in white has some symbolic meaning also.

Note that the address of the house of Elm Street is 1428.

"Gematria is an Occult Science as well as an Occult Art. Gematria is the willful or conscious embedding of esoteric formulae into the language with the intent to hide and yet reveal the core of the Construct, while ART is used as a means of interpretation."

http://illuminatusobservor.blogspot.com/2008/08/english-gematria-and-order-of-universe.html

Using the English Gematria calculator here:

http://real-world-news.org/numerics/english-gematria.html

The key address on Elm Street in the JFK assassination, "Dallas Book Depository" translates in this particular Gematria code as 1428.

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Here's the final scene in the movie, as mentioned above...

Robert Englund did many weird TV Movies as:

# The Unspoken Truth (1995) (TV) ... aka Living the Lie (USA: alternative title)

He played te role of a good alien in an ignominous TV Series called simply 'V'

V

Willie - the peaceful pacifistic alien from the original Mini Series returns again and this time joins up with the resistance. At first Willie is captured and studied and researched. But when Robin is about to give birth to a child of mixed Visitor and human parents, his knowledge of Visitor motherhood problems proves crucial. Willie fights alongside the resistance during the pivotal final battles onboard the Los Angeles mothership. Willie's favorite female companion, Harmony dies to save Willies life during the battles.

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'Kennedy Assassination' is also 1428.

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...and focus on the mysterious oily shadow that moves along the length of the car from 2:13 onwards

Sorry to dismantle this, by the way the thread has gone to other shores...

The Effect we see is a total analog effect, that we can't see no more on our

LCD/Plasma TV and PC Monitor . That strange effect is, indeed, the reflect of

the Sunlight onto the Car . That's it . Everyone who used Black and White TV,

with Valves inside, can remeber this .

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He played te role of a good alien in an ignominous TV Series called simply 'V'


Yeah, I remember it well. A couple of very interesting credits to his name.

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Sorry to dismantle this, by the way the thread has gone to other shores...

The Effect we see is a total analog effect, that we can't see no more on our

LCD/Plasma TV and PC Monitor . That strange effect is, indeed, the reflect of

the Sunlight onto the Car . That's it . Everyone who used Black and White TV,

with Valves inside, can remeber this .

Really?

Pity no one explained that a couple of days ago.

Any idea what the effect is called?

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Burn, could it be? That's just the way analog TV worked with direct light exposure...

It goes to black . In some old sport videos you clearly see the lights that have

this black halo .

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Nope. But that's just the way analog TV worked with direct light exposure...

It goes to black . In some old sport videos you clearly see the lights that have

this black halo .

Thanks for the tip. I'll see if I can dig up some other examples.

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Probably the most iconic (and devastatingly symbolic) scene from the original "A Nightmare on Elm Street": a teenage Johnny Depp being literally consumed by a demonic force whilst watching TV.

Filmed in 1984, it coincides nicely with the time period when MTV was really beginning to take off in a big way in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee13oq72JB0

Interestingly, Johnny Depp (Glen Lantz), Heather Langenkamp (Nancy Thompson) and Jsu Garcia (Rod Lane), three of the four main teenage characters in the film, were all born in 1963/64 - the 'Kennedy assasination generation'.