UK Gvt To Install Surveillance Cams In Private Hom

[always_rebel]

UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes

State to spy on parents, make sure kids go to bed on time, attend school

http://prisonplanet.com/images/august2009/030809top.jpg

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, August 3, 2009

The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together.

Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly.

Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract.

Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities.

Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”.

Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met.

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

Respondents to a Daily Express article about the new program expressed their shock at the totalitarian implications of what is unfolding in the United Kingdom under the guise of social services initiatives.


UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes

“Sorry, but what the hell? Why are people not up in arms about this?,” writes one, “This is a complete invasion of privacy, and it totally ignores the fact that the state does NOT own kids. It’s not up to them how parents choose to raise their children, as long as the parents do not actively harm them. Why on earth aren’t the public rioting? It’s completely anathema to basic British freedoms.”

“Excuse me!?! What an incredible intrusion into the privacy of a family! George Orwell must be spinning in his grave right now,” writes another.

“I have one comment to make: it completely violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998). Has this minister and his lackies even done any basic homework on basic human rights and civil liberties? Or rather they’ve just decided to completely ignore them,” adds another.

The move to install surveillance cameras inside private homes is also on the agenda across the pond. In February 2006, Houston Chief of Police Harold Hurtt said cameras should be placed inside apartments and homes in order to “fight crime” due to there being a shortage of police officers.

“I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” Chief Hurtt told reporters.

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association supported the proposal, saying privacy concerns would take a back seat to many people who would, “appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.”

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;

The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

[call2571]

Heres the Daiy Express Article about it.This is getting more scary by the minute.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736/Sin-bins-for-worst-families:mad:

[steevo]

They can only do this if people agree to it. And the dimwits WILL agree :(

[duckandcover]

Anybody who still thinks the big brother state is a conspiracy theory should read this shit ! Unbe-fuckin-lievable :eek:

[call2571]

Ministers hope the move will reduce the number of youngsters who get drawn into crime because of their chaotic family lives, as portrayed in Channel 4 comedy drama Shameless.:D You have to laugh!

[wake_up_bomb]

I wonder about people who work for the mainstream media, I wonder how many of them actually believe in what they're doing, and how many just toe the line thinking, 'well, it's a living'. Time and time again this type of article is met with comments beneath it that point out that this is fascistic and Orwellian. And there really is no comeback on this one; this is LITERALLY what happens in 1984, albeit on a smaller scale. For now.

Next time there's a debate on here about whether or not the government monitor this website, it might be worth pointing out that they're willing to monitor certain families 24 hours a day, when they're in their own home!

[steevo]

I wonder about people who work for the mainstream media, I wonder how many of them actually believe in what they're doing, and how many just toe the line thinking, 'well, it's a living'. Time and time again this type of article is met with comments beneath it that point out that this is fascistic and Orwellian. And there really is no comeback on this one; this is LITERALLY what happens in 1984, albeit on a smaller scale. For now.

Next time there's a debate on here about whether or not the government monitor this website, it might be worth pointing out that they're willing to monitor certain families 24 hours a day, when they're in their own home!

SURELY the "journalists" can SEE what is going on now :confused: It makes me wonder if those so-called "news" papers employ alot less people than we are led to believe ?

[wakeupworld]

This is only speeding up the realization that more and people will find out that they have the right NOT to be governed.
http://www.tpuc.org/

[mrerisian]

I'm speechless. I'd already read a story about these "SinBins" but hadn't quite taken it in. Just stunned.

[steevo]

I'm speechless. I'd already read a story about these "SinBins" but hadn't quite taken it in. Just stunned.

I have been telling my mate for AGES that this is what the PTB are trying to push through (my mate has "domestic" problems on a regular basis), and it sort of frightens him a little when i say it to him - But I dont like to put fear into people, so I explain that all he has to do is refuse, and to ALWAYS do what he KNOWS to be RIGHT and TRUE (without fear) and the rest will take care of itself. But anyway, there is now some real proof of what I have been telling him, and it's in the mainstream-fucking-media.

[flickflack]

The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

I think it's a waste of electricity. This will just add up more of the carbon footprint from the UK, unless they get green energy to supply all their need for electrical power, which could take years.
Saving electricity is much as the same as saving carbon emissions, since a lot of the electricity is generated from processes of pollution, like CO2 and microscopic ash-like particles being a main cause to heart attacks for middle-aged men.

[mrerisian]

But anyway, there is now some real proof of what I have been telling him, and it's in the mainstream-fucking-media.

What worries me is that if this is being talked about openly don't people understand that the stuff that's going on behind closed doors is mindfnordingly evil?

Genuinely shocked by this one. Amazed I'd read the article already and not taken it in.

[flip side]

I think it's a waste of electricity. This will just add up more of the carbon footprint from the UK, unless they get green energy to supply all their need for electrical power, which could take years.
Saving electricity is much as the same as saving carbon emissions, since a lot of the electricity is generated from processes of pollution, like CO2 and microscopic ash-like particles being a main cause to heart attacks for middle-aged men.

Did you purposely miss the point here?!

[flickflack]

Did you purposely miss the point here?!

Big Brother is watching YOU.

It could be described as a nanny-state. It's nothing near a police state, it's a nanny-state. I bet cameras on the contrary would prevent the nanny or mother in the house to smell on the laundry. Some do that, for different reasons. It's to detect suspicious smells, like the smell of a dream going wet. :eek:

[godgoo]

Things like this used to make me paranoid, but it all depends how it's going to work out? We can't see into the future, skeptics always do though they always say never. But I think this technology could have it's good uses among us. But obviously something would have to be agreed with, which they would never abide with. And that would be that no information was transmitted into to your home, ads, work, corps etc. Only transmission from your home to the AI, no human intervention what so ever. This is one thing that buggs me, is they can never be reasonable. They always want the extra mile because they can't abide not having control in their grasp, they can't abide being mere mortals. And this lets teh whole system down, and shows them up for being untruthfull and greedy.

But if there was an all-seeing eye among us that was tamed and honest, then we could benefit from it. The world is only to get more disordered. We need something so lies, murder, thefts, abductions don't go unsolved and so crimes are never wrongly accused. A system so refined and so honest could free doubt from mans mind, and free the human race from everyday dilemma. And would stop every day ordinary people from ruling. A democracy is only as good and as honest as the people within it :)

In the right hands a system like this would enforce an abundant, security, protocol over kaos and generate perpetual truth and freedom

In the wrong hands it could enslave our minds, to the protocol of the few.

[vetis]

Big Brother is watching YOU.

It could be described as a nanny-state. It's nothing near a police state, it's a nanny-state. I bet cameras on the contrary would prevent the nanny or mother in the house to smell on the laundry. Some do that, for different reasons. It's to detect suspicious smells, like the smell of a dream going wet. :eek:

A nanny state passes laws and gets into everyones lives with rules and regulations that most would take for common sense.

This is a police state where you have no privacy, no freedom, no views outside of the party line.

[flip side]

Big Brother is watching YOU.

It could be described as a nanny-state. It's nothing near a police state, it's a nanny-state. I bet cameras on the contrary would prevent the nanny or mother in the house to smell on the laundry. Some do that, for different reasons. It's to detect suspicious smells, like the smell of a dream going wet. :eek:

My original comment was you totally missed the point of the article, you just blithered on about it being a waste of electricity.

Here is the Wiki definition of a Police State:

The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

The inhabitants of a police state experience restrictions on their mobility, and on their freedom to express or communicate political or other views, which are subject to police monitoring or enforcement. Political control may be exerted by means of a secret police force which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state.

We are displaying many elements of the defined Police State. It is being built around us bit by bit. Will you only wake up to this when all the objectives have been reached? I cant imagine how the only objection you would have to this scheme is electricity wasteage.

[redskywalker]

hahahahaha:D

do a little dance make a little looove, get down


{looks out spangly outfit and hula-hoop;)}


as if.

[tien an]

I think it's a waste of electricity. This will just add up more of the carbon footprint from the UK, unless they get green energy to supply all their need for electrical power, which could take years.
Saving electricity is much as the same as saving carbon emissions, since a lot of the electricity is generated from processes of pollution, like CO2 and microscopic ash-like particles being a main cause to heart attacks for middle-aged men.

Well, apart from mis-quoting ($ instead of £), you've totally missed the point.
Might I suggest that you come to the UK for a short holiday and gasp in wonder as your image is captured and stored up to 300 times daily (already), and significantly more often in London.

Saving electricity?
WTF?
They don't care; you're going to pay for it!
Then, because this fits in with their (world-wide) scam of global warming and the need for a 'green tax', they'll tax you on it too!!.

Jaw-droppingly naive...really.

tian an.

[i_am]

A nanny state passes laws and gets into everyones lives with rules and regulations that most would take for common sense.

This is a police state where you have no privacy, no freedom, no views outside of the party line.


Wecome to 1984 :mad:

[ustane]

They can only do this if people agree to it. And the dimwits WILL agree :(

True!:(

[ustane]

I have been telling my mate for AGES that this is what the PTB are trying to push through (my mate has "domestic" problems on a regular basis), and it sort of frightens him a little when i say it to him - But I dont like to put fear into people, so I explain that all he has to do is refuse, and to ALWAYS do what he KNOWS to be RIGHT and TRUE (without fear) and the rest will take care of itself. But anyway, there is now some real proof of what I have been telling him, and it's in the mainstream-fucking-media.

True! REFUSE! Can't get any worse. Nothing to lose - refuse!:eek:

[notmarkk]

They came first for the private homes, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a private homeowner.

Then they came for hotel rooms, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a hotel room user.

Then they came for the council houses, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't on the dough.

Then they came for the public restrooms, and I didn't speak up because I enjoy using my own toilet.


Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

[Ian2day]

It is not time to be angry. That time has passed. What is needed is solutions. Or publicity stunts to expose this and what it will mean. Maybe it is time that the David Icke Council (DIC)was formed. That the Project to Expose a New Intolerable System or Penis for short, be its first article of business. Lets stick together and be rigid and proud. As we show the world what will come of this manipulation and control if it is not taken in hand before it is too late. ;)

[Ian2day]

Perhaps it is time that cctv was installed in the government and council offices and streamed over the internet. So that we can check that our employees are doing their jobs and not skiving off at the photocopier or taking long fag breaks. They seem to forget that they work for all residents.

[fallensoul]

This is stupid already, when do we people say "stop fucking telling us how to live, what to belive in, what to do, what is right, what is wrong, how we should raise our kids, when we should sleep, what is proper diet, what we should learn"

WE dont need them telling us how to fucking live our lives.

[kde_]

They can only do this if people agree to it. And the dimwits WILL agree :(

I'm sure they can think of some way to make people comply with this, anit to hard to think stuff up. It's the waste of electricity and large carbon footprint that's the real story here. :rolleyes:

[antinwo]

I have been telling my mate for AGES that this is what the PTB are trying to push through (my mate has "domestic" problems on a regular basis), and it sort of frightens him a little when i say it to him - But I dont like to put fear into people, so I explain that all he has to do is refuse, and to ALWAYS do what he KNOWS to be RIGHT and TRUE (without fear) and the rest will take care of itself. But anyway, there is now some real proof of what I have been telling him, and it's in the mainstream-fucking-media.

Thing is those that refuse will obviously be peados:rolleyes: That could scare even the woken up into agreeing to cameras in their homes.

[yozhik]

Please read two lines from the original post and consider its meaning ...

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favourites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

So for those expecting "Change we can believe in" from the Tories ... think again.

They will take this draconian, Orwellian existence to a whole new level.

[comma berenices]

Shake's head in disbelief :eek: Room 101 is reality.

[jkdt0077]

It is not time to be angry. That time has passed. What is needed is solutions. Or publicity stunts to expose this and what it will mean. Maybe it is time that the David Icke Council (DIC)was formed. That the Project to Expose a New Intolerable System or Penis for short, be its first article of business. Lets stick together and be rigid and proud. As we show the world what will come of this manipulation and control if it is not taken in hand before it is too late. ;)

:D

Agreed, it's time to take a firm grip of the situation and penetrate the hearts and minds of the people. We need to take it slow and steady, not let the blood rush to our heads. We can stand erect as one people, and through focussed and deliberate intercourse, spread the message that we will not bend over and take it!!

[golden lady]

Some yrs ago I was talking to someone at work about BB being all around us and her reaction was "well if your not doing anything wrong" and I'm afraid thats still the same reaction of a lot of others along with "I feel safer on the streets". Unless it has a direct impact upon them personally I feel their attitudes will not change.
As for the cams in family homes I don't think they will be given a choice, they will be blackailed into it, like their kids will be taken from them. Unfortunatly they are usually ones that are in such turmoil in their own lives to then have to fight authorities as well is a step to far.
What saddens/ maddens me is this my generation doing all this.:mad:
How do we stop this rot is the question?
Unfortunatly the only voices heard are the ones that want this intrusion and folks like us are seen as the barmy army (or at worse terorrists) and are dismissed.

[gilly]

The problem is, I think a lot of people aren't going to refuse this. They will be blackmailed into it, (God knows what penalties there'll be for not complying - maybe automatic loss of their kids to the state), and some will also view it as an opportunity, perhaps, to exonerate themselves.

[rowantk]

Heres the Daiy Express Article about it.This is getting more scary by the minute.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736/Sin-bins-for-worst-families:mad:


The story has been removed?!!!!:confused:

[nayan]

I read this on facebook somewhere. Its fucking insane. Even my parents wouldn't do this!

[anthony65]

The story has been removed?!!!!:confused:

Interesting!

Too much attention? Too many questions?

[wakeuptime]

SURELY the "journalists" can SEE what is going on now :confused: It makes me wonder if those so-called "news" papers employ alot less people than we are led to believe ?

Great point, steevo. Hard to believe people would publish this tripe without a comment. Another force seems to be at work.

[drhemp]

Why oh why cannot the British people deliver a collective one fingered salute to this evil fascist Government and their Nazi plans?

[beached_is]

Why oh why cannot the British people deliver a collective one fingered salute to this evil fascist Government and their Nazi plans?

sadly because the majority of us are lazy or just cant see whats going on infront of our eyes. The people will most probably cause an uproar about this but only when it directly effects them.

Then the government gets to say "ooo protests n such are anti-social, now that gives us a reason to monitor you too!!!"

[itsallinus]

"Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction."

:eek:........................................:eek:

That's all I can say to that!

[bobbydiva]

:mad::confused::(:eek:

You have to be f-ing kidding me?
I think we're past the totalitarian tiptoe - this is the home stretch!

How can ANYBODY not matter how brainwashed allow this to happen. Who are these guards, are they stupid? Who's installing the cameras, can they not see?

I guess it starts with the less privileged and works its way up.

[decim]

In the 'Sin Bin' thread a while ago, many here thought this was a good idea for 'CHAVS'.

If your not a 'CHAV', you have nothing to fear, do you?

[eternal_spirit]

In the 'Sin Bin' thread a while ago, many here thought this was a good idea for 'CHAVS'.

If your not a 'CHAV', you have nothing to fear, do you?

It's upside down and back to front the word chav - chavy used to mean friend, As you'd say to a friend "alreet Chavy" Now Chav = bad enemy unless you are a fellow chav.

The story has been removed?!!!!

Still there

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736/Sin-bins-for-worst-families

[real6]

UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes

http://www.prisonplanet.com/uk-government-to-install-surveillance-cameras-in-private-homes.html


State to spy on parents, make sure kids go to bed on time, attend school

UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes 030809top

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, August 3, 2009

The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together.

Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly.

Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract.

Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities.

Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”.

Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met.

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

Respondents to a Daily Express article about the new program expressed their shock at the totalitarian implications of what is unfolding in the United Kingdom under the guise of social services initiatives.

(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)

UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes 150709banner1

“Sorry, but what the hell? Why are people not up in arms about this?,” writes one, “This is a complete invasion of privacy, and it totally ignores the fact that the state does NOT own kids. It’s not up to them how parents choose to raise their children, as long as the parents do not actively harm them. Why on earth aren’t the public rioting? It’s completely anathema to basic British freedoms.”

“Excuse me!?! What an incredible intrusion into the privacy of a family! George Orwell must be spinning in his grave right now,” writes another.

“I have one comment to make: it completely violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998). Has this minister and his lackies even done any basic homework on basic human rights and civil liberties? Or rather they’ve just decided to completely ignore them,” adds another.

The move to install surveillance cameras inside private homes is also on the agenda across the pond. In February 2006, Houston Chief of Police Harold Hurtt said cameras should be placed inside apartments and homes in order to “fight crime” due to there being a shortage of police officers.

“I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” Chief Hurtt told reporters.

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association supported the proposal, saying privacy concerns would take a back seat to many people who would, “appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.”

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;

The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

[killmicrosoft]

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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-inside-private-homes/ (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-inside-private-homes/)

[fuzzylogic]

Sherlock or Kelly?

[real6]

Thousands of England's worst families to be placed in 'sin bins' to improve behaviour

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201462/Thousands-Englands-worst-families-placed-sin-bins-improve-behaviour.html





What is a family intervention project?

http://www.respect.gov.uk/members/article.aspx?id=8678







20081007 DCSF: Family Intervention Projects - An Evaluation of their Design, Set-up and Early Outcomes

http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/research/programmeofresearch/projectinformation.cfm?projectid=15499&resultspage=1







An Orwellian Turn for the UK

http://www.technology-digital.com/MarketSector/Electrical-and-Electronics/An-Orwellian-Turn-for-the-UK_30582.aspx






Family Intervention Projects

http://www.communities.gov.uk/archived/general-content/communities/respect/familyinterventionprojects/







The majority of existing projects are funded through the existing Supporting People grant

http://www.spkweb.org.uk/

[real6]

Here’s an actual government white paper on this program. There are more papers like that too found with a simple Google search of “Family Intervention Projects”.

http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/ACF44F.pdf

[655321]

Crazy.

[truthseeker1980]

We will revolt way before they ever get the chance to do it. KNOW they WONT get a chance.

ALL OF US KNOW it wont happen, it needs to started now by supposed awake people like us. All place COSMIC ORDER's for it not to happen.

More of Prison planet brain washing the psychie, to create that reality.

I really don't think Mr Jones is a good egg. I think he's in on it.

Why would he only report on negative things, if he was one of us trying to wake us up.

All his site does is generate fear and create negative thought patterns to create the reality THEY want us to create.

[pduffy4]

I knew this shit would happen but not so soon. Thought they'd wait until after they reduced the population, not that they are going to do that with out a fight.

[pduffy4]

:mad::confused::(:eek:

You have to be f-ing kidding me?
I think we're past the totalitarian tiptoe - this is the home stretch!

How can ANYBODY not matter how brainwashed allow this to happen. Who are these guards, are they stupid? Who's installing the cameras, can they not see?

I guess it starts with the less privileged and works its way up.

yes just like micro-chipping will start with convicts.

[jkdt0077]

Sherlock or Kelly?

Neither. Eamonn :)

[truthseeker1980]

yes just like micro-chipping will start with convicts.

Or fearful sheep queuing for a vaccine.

[antinwo]

Well we better all agree to this now or we have something to hide:rolleyes:

[antinwo]

Time to check the date again. April 1st? No... oh shit!

[antinwo]

To police this properly surely they would need a camera in every room of the house and that would be bloody expensive. And if that happened how would people be able to get intimate:eek:

[dolores1]

The government DO OWN YOUR CHILDREN!
You have handed them over as soon as you "Register them for a Berth Certificate. And yes I do mean Berth as in Admiralty Law.

[antinwo]

Thought as much

[rapunzel]

The story has been removed?!!!!:confused:

No the story hasn't been removed; I accessed it quite easily. However people who read this column in the paper obviously didn't look at the reader comments which will tell you that this story has been denied by the Government.

What will happen is that the very worst families and by worst I mean those parents who are drunks/druggies and who allow their children to roam the streets all night, allow them to skip school and who never cook but pass the children some cash to get their meals from the chippie or kebab shop. These children roam around creating havoc, throwing stones, setting fires, destroying whatever they get their hands on. There is usually violence involved from the parents as well. I used to work in social housing and believe me these families exist and are horrendous. I knew several people who were involved in this kind of intervention work. The normal course of action is for social services to take the children away but this is a scheme to keep the family together by teaching the parents how to look after their children.

Surely that has to be better than splitting the family up? Or do those of you who dislke state intervention in anything think it better to leave these families alone. Believe me, if you lived next door to one of them you'd be screaming for somone to do something.

Here is what is actually going to happen. Please read it before indulging in scaremongering.

http://www.respect.gov.uk/members/article.aspx?id=8678

Here is some of it for those who can't be bothered to read the whole thing.

What are family intervention projects?

Family intervention projects work to turn around the behaviour of families and reduce their impact on their community. In so doing, they also bring stability to families’ lives, prevent homelessness and improve opportunities for children. They combine intensive support with focused challenge – a twin track approach. For these projects, it is not a question of either/or - support and enforcement are systematically linked to provide families with the incentive to change.

While projects vary in the services they provide, they share key features which distinguish the family intervention project model.

The key worker is central to the projects. Their role is to manage or ‘grip’ the family’s problems, co-ordinate the delivery of services and using a combination of support and sanction to motivate the family to change their behaviour. Persistence and assertiveness with families is critical to keeping them engaged and following agreed steps.

If families start to disengage, services are stepped up and the key worker redoubles his/her efforts where mainstream services often withdraw. This comes as a shock to families who are often used to services pulling away and sends out a powerful signal to families that the service is not an optional extra.

A contract (also known as a behaviour support agreement) is drawn up between the family and key worker which sets out the changes that are expected, the support that will be provided in order to facilitate that change and the consequences if changes are not made, or tasks are not undertaken.

The use of sanctions is an important lever for motivating families to change. Demoting tenancies or gaining possession orders suspended on the basis of compliance with the projects or, for some, the very real prospect of children being taken into care, can provide the wake up call to take the help on offer. Too often these families have been told that action will be taken but is then not followed through, creating a sense among family members that they are untouchable.

These are intensely practical projects which focus on providing a structure for those living in chaotic circumstances – teaching parents basics such as how to get children up and fed in the morning, clearing up, preparing meals and bed time routines. Families are often learning these for the first time. Families report that their day to day skills such as cooking, hygiene and daily routines had often been taken for granted by other agencies.

Projects take a whole family approach which recognise the inter- connectedness between children’s and adults problems There are obvious links between a child’s behaviour in school and their relationships at home; links between a parent’s ability to get children to school and parent’s alcohol misuse; between offending by the father and a child getting drawn in to bad behaviour in the community.

Improving parenting skills is always a critical service. One in five children in existing projects are on the child protection register and over 80% of children are seen as being ‘in need’. There is strong evidence that parenting programmes can improve parenting skills and have lasting effects in reducing bad behaviour, even in cases where parents are initially reluctant to accept help.

There are three distinct levels of interventions which are used according to a family’s needs and the impact their behaviour is having on the community. Different levels of intervention may be used at different times as circumstances and behaviour change.

Most projects provide an outreach service for families who are responsible for anti-social behaviour in their home, and who are risk of being evicted. However, services can also be provided in units managed by the family intervention project but dispersed in the community.

At the most intensive level, families who require supervision and support on a 24 hour basis stay in a core residential unit. Upon satisfactory completion of a programme, the family can move into a managed property.

Do they work?
These schemes have impressive results – for more than four out of five (85%) families, complaints about anti-social behaviour ceased or reduced and in nine out of ten (92%), the risk to local communities was assessed as having either reduced or ceased completely by the time families left the project. In addition, for four out of five families, there was no further possession action taken against their homes and significant improvements in schools attendance were found.*

I'm surprised that people on this site believe what they read in the newspapers!

[vetis]

You posted that like it sounded better?

At the most intensive level, families who require supervision and support on a 24 hour basis stay in a core residential unit. Upon satisfactory completion of a programme, the family can move into a managed property.

Wow if you behave they'll let you out in the big yard.

Its still 24 hour monitoring, its still wrong.

social services: let kids being beat to death and starved for months on end die, let ones behaving badly be taken away.

[pduffy4]

The government DO OWN YOUR CHILDREN!
You have handed them over as soon as you "Register them for a Berth Certificate. And yes I do mean Berth as in Admiralty Law.

Indeed, but it is unlawful. It is a crime what they have done. They have misled people.

[mrerisian]

I knew this shit would happen but not so soon. Thought they'd wait until after they reduced the population, not that they are going to do that with out a fight.

I always thought population reduction was supposed to be one of the last pieces in the puzzle. The Big Brother state needs to be set in stone then it doesn't matter what sort of fight you put up against them.

[largejack]

They can only do this if people agree to it. And the dimwits WILL agree :(

Not this time they won't I'm sure of it

[rapunzel]

You posted that like it sounded better?

At the most intensive level, families who require supervision and support on a 24 hour basis stay in a core residential unit. Upon satisfactory completion of a programme, the family can move into a managed property.

Wow if you behave they'll let you out in the big yard.

Its still 24 hour monitoring, its still wrong.

social services: let kids being beat to death and starved for months on end die, let ones behaving badly be taken away.

So you'd rather they left these families alone? You don't object to abused, starved and neglected children, you don't object to druggie parents letting five year olds wander the streets at night, you don't object to children trashing other peoples houses and setting fire to them?

Fine, just as long as we know where you stand.

[turbine]

lmao

I doubt this will happen. The uproar will be too big for them to ignore.

[tb303]

lmao

I doubt this will happen. The uproar will be too big for them to ignore.

I don't see too much uproar about everything else that's going down with this drugged up and dumbed down society.

[resistance]

Happy days (sarcasm ends) Many of us that have been following this stuff for years, knew this was coming, and this is only the beginning, there's a lot worse to come yet, unless people start waking up pretty sharpish.

[largejack]

This is the looney elites going completely looney. This is going TOO far! The Tories think this isn't going far enough, I say George Osbourne, tell us what your dealings at Bilderberg were all about?

In fact I'm disgusted, the American people are waking up, they're starting to take action, what about us?

[3stepsahead]

remember 5th element aswell god damn techno superiority.

just refuse ,resist.

just remember that thers a couple of decades or more before all this goes into full effect.

so time to start changing our future.

[joe911]

Its for anti-social families,if they are anything like the ones who live round here i think its a good thing!

[joe911]

lool its not even true,look;
http://twitter.com/edballsmp/status/3124025586

@Moncky: the idea we are planning to put CCTV in families' homes is complete and total nonsense

[flip side]

lool its not even true,look;
http://twitter.com/edballsmp/status/3124025586


Well if a politician says it's not true then... :rolleyes:

[joe911]

Well if a politician says it's not true then... :rolleyes:

Its not just any politician,its the one who supposedly proposed it in the first place.

[flip side]

Its not just any politician,its the one who supposedly proposed it in the first place.

Yeah I know that Joe. If it's not true then bloody good news, I dont think you can blame me from not trusting the word of a good old trusty cabinet member releasing a statement through Twitter.

Either way, it's either more lies from the media or more lies from a politician. Maybe they release stories like this to gage reactions?

[resistance]

You should have every faith in the party, the party is there for us, and are doing a double plus good job. Why would that kind man, mr Ed Balls lie to us? Let me see.. I can't think of a reason (sarcasm ends)
Maybe Mr Ed BALLS, is telling the truth, but I doubt it somehow, besides we know that the party are in the later stages of taking away parental rights, and individualism. So to me cameras going up in some peoples homes certainly isn't off the wall, despite what some slippery politician may be telling us, it is there job to lie remember.

[wakeuptime]

This is the looney elites going completely looney. This is going TOO far! The Tories think this isn't going far enough, I say George Osbourne, tell us what your dealings at Bilderberg were all about?

In fact I'm disgusted, the American people are waking up, they're starting to take action, what about us?

The elite are panicking, trying to retain the power they've always had. But its disintegrating.

I agree with you, largejack. Time for the British to go to political meetings and tell the politicians what they think of their crummy laws. The French need to start, too. Maybe with the rentree (here).

[bicycle]

Alex Jones shared updates and commentary on a number of news stories, including a botched building demolition in Turkey, and a privacy-eroding plan to install cameras inside 20,000 homes in Britain, in order to monitor antisocial families.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6WVXA2PVho

[joe911]

Alex Jones shared updates and commentary on a number of news stories, including a botched building demolition in Turkey, and a privacy-eroding plan to install cameras inside 20,000 homes in Britain, in order to monitor antisocial families.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6WVXA2PVho

http://twitter.com/edballsmp/status/3124025586

the idea we are planning to put CCTV in families' homes is complete and total nonsense

Ill put money on this not happening.

[bicycle]

http://twitter.com/edballsmp/status/3124025586

the idea we are planning to put CCTV in families' homes

:eek::confused:

[joe911]

:eek::confused:

is complete and total nonsense"

Its not going to happen,ill put money on it. Just like the rest of the bs that fearmonger comes up with.

[adzboarder]

Thing is those that refuse will obviously be peados:rolleyes: That could scare even the woken up into agreeing to cameras in their homes.

thats it exactly, anyone who refuses to accept CCTV in their homes is a paedo or a terrorist and gets themselves into even more shit.

This could all be media bullshit though, most people wont allow this in their homes and will tell the CCTV guys to get fucked.

[rapunzel]

thats it exactly, anyone who refuses to accept CCTV in their homes is a paedo or a terrorist and gets themselves into even more shit.

This could all be media bullshit though, most people wont allow this in their homes and will tell the CCTV guys to get fucked.

Why is this story still doing the rounds.? It is not true! The paper that reported it got it wrong - Daily Express, what else! A small number of problem families, as a last resort, will live in special units on a temporary basis with 24 hour supervision. There is no mention of cameras anywhere.

This has already been taking place and has had a lot of success. Surely this is a better solution than taking the at risk children away from their familes?

I find this amazing that people who believe that the media is under some sort of control then go and believe everything they read in said media.

If I'm wrong somebody please produce some sort of documentation that proves that cctv cameras are to be put in private homes.

[marpat]

So the UK gov are spending $700M? since when did Britain spend in dollars?

I doubt this could happen purely because the country is broke.

[mrerisian]

Why is this story still doing the rounds.? It is not true! The paper that reported it got it wrong - Daily Express, what else! A small number of problem families, as a last resort, will live in special units on a temporary basis with 24 hour supervision. There is no mention of cameras anywhere.

Really?

It's been reported in quite a few papers. Perhaps an example of us being softened up to the idea OR perhaps a sign that journalists are now getting a little twitchy that this is the sort of thing that might be next on the horizon?

Or just an example of shoddy MSM journalism meets paranoid conspiracy theorists waiting for the end times...

[joe911]

Really?

It's been reported in quite a few papers. Perhaps an example of us being softened up to the idea OR perhaps a sign that journalists are now getting a little twitchy that this is the sort of thing that might be next on the horizon?

Or just an example of shoddy MSM journalism meets paranoid conspiracy theorists waiting for the end times...

Or the fact that the guy who the comments supposedly came from said the claims werent true.?

[ustane]

Wish cctv was installed at Bohemian Grove.