Occult/Extra-Dimensional Origin of Global Empires

[metacomet]

This discussion will focus specifically on the forces behind global empires, now, (known as the NWO) and in the past, (global empires). Often our discussion on the NWO revolves around current political maneuvers, or the blue-blood families behind certain operations - but it might be time to specifically discuss what unseen forces, that is, literally invisible and otherdimensional, are directing and influencing the NWO and it's royal families.

In the thread 'Is the NWO actually for our benefit? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74997)' I posted the following - and will post a discussion between myself and veritasvoice to get the ball rolling.


We have the capacity to reason that good can come from evil - but for them, they are just following their nature and could care less whether it is giving us spiritual lessons.

So in a way, yes, the NWO is necessary and versions of it have come and gone many times on this planet,

but the people involved in the NWO do not care about you and are not doing this for your own good. They are doing it because they are connected to extra-dimensional predators that most of us are incapable of admitting even exist. They are like lions - they don't care if they are 'helping' the herd by thinning it out - they just want to eat.


I agree 100% and this comes really REALLY close to a line of research that I've been following recently. Namely, that every Empire on Earth, all the way through history, has had a basis in the occult (and every one has been fascist - fascism obviously didn't start with the Nazis, and wasn't confined to them; it was the latest iteration of an ideology that is synonymous with imperialism), and either the worship of or communication with other-dimensional entities, some of which we call "ET's" today.



That's a great point worth discussing, yes. David Icke's work, especially in his book "The Biggest Secret" is remarkable in that he can trace all major empires from Babylon to America and show that they are the same entity.

The babylonian empire has changed it's name over and over, from Rome to Great Britain, United States... they are all the same group of people involved in the same sort of ritual magick...

I am sure that the quality we consider to be 'authority' in government is actually a predatory mind-trick being used on us from another dimension. To have us believe that a political figure or religious figure has 'authority' is only accomplished by threat of violence or damnation of the soul - and surely no benevolent entities would use such tactics.

We do need to start a discussion on this board, perhaps this weekend, about what forces are really behind all of this - because Icke has done a great job leading us in the right direction but all you get is discussion concerning the NWO, political movements, and trivial stuff that doesn't address the strings being pulled by other dimensions.


There are commonalities between all the great Empires that cannot be ignored. For example: slavery, eugenics, human sacrifice, spirit contact; and I firmly believe that the concept of owning human beings as property didn't originate within the human race.

The Romans, the British, the Nazis; all had slaves. All of them believed in eugenics, the search for the "perfect human" or the "master race". All of them indulged in sacrifice; in modern times, we call them wars.

For an example of Roman eugenics, look up the Twelve Tablets of Roman law:
The Twelve Tables of Roman Law, established early in the formation of the Roman Republic, stated in the fourth table that deformed children must be put to death. In addition, patriarchs in Roman society were given the right to "discard" infants at their discretion. This was often done by drowning undesired newborns in the Tiber River. The practice of open infanticide in the ancient world did not subside until the Christianization of the Roman empire.

[metacomet]

I would like to add this, along with veritasvoices' observation that all occult based global empires were into slavery and ownership -

Beyond imperialist nations into slavery, African tribes were well known to have been enslaving eachother during times of warfare, but of the most revered warrior tribes, (who kept the most slaves) the Zulus, there is a most revered Zulu holy man, Credo Mutwa, who explained to David Icke that extra-terrestrial beings were responsible not only for genetically manipulating us, but for teaching us the art of warfare, blood sacrifice, and I am sure, slavery.

http://aliensdemierda.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/credomutwa2.jpg

http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/smith/column7/zulu_warrior.jpg

Likewise, I have mentioned in other threads (like Theories on the Origin Of Sasquatch (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68865)) , that in places like North America, peaceful co-existence between tribes was destroyed by the coming of the 'star people' - who's presence was recorded by the tribes they affected through facial painting and artwork.

They went from peaceful spiritualists
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h34/Charmedje/Indianen/Sioux-Courtship-sm.jpg

to warring conquerers of other tribes

http://www.i4m.com/think/images/indian-warriors.jpg

The 'star people' are the origin of the great warrior cultures all over the world, they taught the Blackfeet Indians how to wipe out peaceful tribes with the art of warfare, similar to the account of the Zulus.

In South America, a peaceful tribe (and one of the most ancient) known as the Kogi, relayed to a british television crew the story of the 'Younger Brothers' and the 'Older Brothers' -

http://www.crystalinks.com/kogimeditate.jpg

The older brothers were peaceful, co-existing with the earth and had truly ancient lifestyles which could go on indefinitely. The younger brothers are a new form of people who arrived on this planet, carrying with them a different form of consciousness, which is causing them to destroy the earth, to commit warfare and to promote a lifestyle that cannot go on.

It is entirely possible that the Kogi were one of many ancient tribes who witnessed the effects of other-dimensional influence coming to this planet - they did in fact, witness through their own consciousness, the arrival of an alien form of consciousness, which we can now call 'western civilization'.

http://www.sharibillger.com/Pics/ramon.jpg

We are the 'younger brothers' who do things so foolishly, and so violently, that the older brothers (long gone civilizations, left only in small remote tribes now) could only shake their heads in shame.

There is a unifying story, that all over the planet, not only were the greatest warring empires born of other-dimensional influence (by the 'Gods') but tribes in the Americas were witnessing warfare and slavery for the first time as well, by tribes who had likewise been visited by Gods of war.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/200199175_40220bfbca.jpg

Imagine now, at this place in time, how enormous the military installations and the warring societies 'younger brother' has created. This is the world as we know it.

http://media.canada.com/idl/ntnp/20070705/ntnp_20070705_a004_nowhereissafefr_8788_mi0001.jpg

[biblegirl]

it might be time to specifically discuss what unseen forces, that is, literally invisible and otherdimensional, are directing and influencing the NWO and it's royal families.


background: Daniel the prophet was in a state of fasting and prayer for 3 weeks awaiting an answer, at the end of that time an ET type being* appeared to him by the Hiddekel river and told him this:

"Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand...thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia....and now will I return to fight with the price of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come..."
Daniel 10:12-13, 20

So for three weeks this angelic being was prevented by entities (note the references to royalty) who correspond to physical kingdoms, and actual princes and kings. This was a glimpse into the interdimensional conflict between entities which translates to the governments here on the earth.

Also this reference by Paul in the year 64 A.D. states clearly that our struggle is not with humans, but with invisible entities, again referencing royalty in an unseen realm:

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12



*the ET being was described as follows, so we know this is not an ordinary man: "...behold a certain man clothed in linen whose loins were girded with fine gold...and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision, for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves." 10:5-7

[mind1universe]

This discussion will focus specifically on the forces behind global empires, now, (known as the NWO) and in the past, (global empires). Often our discussion on the NWO revolves around current political maneuvers, or the blue-blood families behind certain operations - but it might be time to specifically discuss what unseen forces, that is, literally invisible and otherdimensional, are directing and influencing the NWO and it's royal families.

In the thread 'Is the NWO actually for our benefit? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74997)' I posted the following - and will post a discussion between myself and veritasvoice to get the ball rolling.


Thank you for sharing this.

The truth is this planet has been hurtling through the cosmos for 4.6 billion years and it is as naked as any world can be.


The FACT is every form of life interdimensional or unseen is AWARE of it.


The real problem is MOST of US are not.

[biblegirl]

Thank you for sharing this.

The truth is this planet has been hurtling through the cosmos for 4.6 billion years and it is as naked as any world can be.

The FACT is every form of life interdimensional or unseen is AWARE of it.

The real problem is MOST of US are not.

I've wondered about this, are some interdimensionals as oblivious or absorbed into their own dimension as we are? Surely this happens in some realities?? But I'm assuming you mean the entities specifically involved in our realm.

[lyghtkynge]

This is an ace thread; I like it. I'll add some interesting stuff tomorrow (with luck), that will pick up the gist of the opening comments, and expand the base information (depending of your viewpoint, of course). Should be exciting.

Some (few?) of us are indeed well Aware of what the ultradimensionals are About. Those who run the Shew, are the Top-Dogs, called the Melchizedeks (ultra-Universal reptilian specie).

There are also many ignorant, depraved ultradimensional dwellers who have no clue, no more than the mass of humanity.

Good stuff here, and Right On.

biblegirl - I have used that quote ('powers & principalities') so often, I wonder that few 'get it.' Wow, does that show the depth of the counter-awareness programming, or what? They reveal themselves in their dogma, and forbid acknowledgement of it. Mindblowing.

[metacomet]

"Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand...thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia....and now will I return to fight with the price of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come..."
Daniel 10:12-13, 20

So for three weeks this angelic being was prevented by entities (note the references to royalty) who correspond to physical kingdoms, and actual princes and kings. This was a glimpse into the interdimensional conflict between entities which translates to the governments here on the earth.


Excellent, biblegirl!

This is definitely the first time I have looked at biblical scripture in this way. I do wonder if this planet is surrounded by mechanisms that have been operating longer than civilization realizes.... these mechanisms have been viewed as a 'web' across the globe by shamans who have seen it out of body - I do believe David Icke has explained this before. This planet is supposedly under an invisible barrier cutting us off from higher-dimensional awareness - could this be what had delayed the angel so long?

Also this reference by Paul in the year 64 A.D. states clearly that our struggle is not with humans, but with invisible entities, again referencing royalty in an unseen realm:

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12


This is exactly what this thread is about.

Not only are there organizations on this physical planet orchestrating political maneuvers and tying in the NWO ... global government itself seems to be the product of some otherworldly cooperation to tie the human species down and prevent higher dimensionals (angels) from contacting us.


*the ET being was described as follows, so we know this is not an ordinary man: "...behold a certain man clothed in linen whose loins were girded with fine gold...and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision, for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves." 10:5-7

Absolutely we would consider such a being in this time to be of other-dimensional or extraterrestrial origin.

Relating to 'the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude' :

View the clip at 1:10 when Frodo offers Galadriel the ring of power. This is an otherdimensional being (the basis for the idea of Elves) being tempted with wordly power. Her true nature and power is revealed in this brief moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANVbw-XDT4

The entire world renowned series 'Lord of The Rings' was written by Tolkien to metaphorically deal with concepts of world domination, global government, and the very issue of power itself - represented by the ring. Likewise Tolkien, in exposing the world to the idea of Elves, had provided a hint that there are beings in union with this earth who are 'of the light' and whose home (as they return to in the series) is another world - another dimension - which the Elves do in fact leave to at the end of the series, and Frodo (the hero) goes with the elves to their other-dimensional home! This final voyage is represented by a boat trip.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qPHepcUN9IE/SjGBqntlIvI/AAAAAAAAABw/gL5wSL25F_g/s320/havens.jpg

Likewise, Tolkien also was one of the first to express the idea of genetic manufacturing via magick - which was used by Saruman to build an army of Urukhai - some believe Tolkien was creating an allegory to the Nazi breeding program which was meant to create 'superhumans' who would help to enslave the world.

http://www.informationen-bilder.de/der-herr-der-ringe/uruk-hai.jpg

All of these things are quite beyond the mundane and yet all of these issues tie in with actual goings-on with the NWO.

Specifically, the concept that higher dimensional or 'divine' beings (like the Elves) are necessary to help defeat evil on this planet, is a mainstay throughout the Lord of the Rings.

[lyghtkynge]

What's hilarious, is apparently the herd believed the ending of The Lord of the Rings (read the entire trilogy + hobbit).

Saruman won.

Of course, you wouldn't have guessed that, seeing how the world is peaches n cream, right?

They call it a lie that fools swallow (shiney bait, yum, get some).

That's the actual allegory, lost on the herd.

Food for the Herds: "we won, we won, we won, oh, we won!"

OK, Eyes Open: Now.

[solarwindspirit]

I would like to add this, along with veritasvoices' observation that all occult based global empires were into slavery and ownership -

Beyond imperialist nations into slavery, African tribes were well known to have been enslaving eachother during times of warfare, but of the most revered warrior tribes, (who kept the most slaves) the Zulus, there is a most revered Zulu holy man, Credo Mutwa, who explained to David Icke that extra-terrestrial beings were responsible not only for genetically manipulating us, but for teaching us the art of warfare, blood sacrifice, and I am sure, slavery.

http://aliensdemierda.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/credomutwa2.jpg





I think zulu man is very colorful story teller and excellent creative thinker or writer but I have to disagree. . .and what Icke was wanting verified is extraterrestrial existence and that you all originated from an alien species.

Humorously they have been trying to create another species.. . .

They see us as children. . ..but they can never keep you from who you are. . .comprendo

You were molded by the earth. . .don't forget her because like it or not that is your heart.

This time of lumeria has been contorted too.. .but I won't go there. . .

This is a colorful fabrication so you all can forget your origins . . .the bigger the lie the more believable. ..keep adding to it. . .and you have another hall of mirrors. forgive /forget. . .don't forget. . .not in todays time. . .The only aliens are aliens in human form who are alienated from the human species . . .and proud of it. . .who think technology is blackmail and science is the greatest. . .and power is everything. . .without contributing anything. . .accept vampirism. . .it's growing rapid with our gothic youths etc. . .they love it. . . its a fad and the in crowd. . .

Sort of like germans experimenting way back when in WWII crossing genes . . .I call it the monkey/man syndrome. cute

You can believe the colorful tales if you want to. . .but bring it down to earth a little. . have some respect k?

Nazi/UFO delusion

[solarwindspirit]

Excellent, biblegirl!

This is definitely the first time I have looked at biblical scripture in this way. I do wonder if this planet is surrounded by mechanisms that have been operating longer than civilization realizes.... these mechanisms have been viewed as a 'web' across the globe by shamans who have seen it out of body - I do believe David Icke has explained this before. This planet is supposedly under an invisible barrier cutting us off from higher-dimensional awareness - could this be what had delayed the angel so long?


This is exactly what this thread is about.

Not only are there organizations on this physical planet orchestrating political maneuvers and tying in the NWO ... global government itself seems to be the product of some otherworldly cooperation to tie the human species down and prevent higher dimensionals (angels) from contacting us.



Absolutely we would consider such a being in this time to be of other-dimensional or extraterrestrial origin.

Relating to 'the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude' :

View the clip at 1:10 when Frodo offers Galadriel the ring of power. This is an otherdimensional being (the basis for the idea of Elves) being tempted with wordly power. Her true nature and power is revealed in this brief moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANVbw-XDT4

The entire world renowned series 'Lord of The Rings' was written by Tolkien to metaphorically deal with concepts of world domination, global government, and the very issue of power itself - represented by the ring. Likewise Tolkien, in exposing the world to the idea of Elves, had provided a hint that there are beings in union with this earth who are 'of the light' and whose home (as they return to in the series) is another world - another dimension - which the Elves do in fact leave to at the end of the series, and Frodo (the hero) goes with the elves to their other-dimensional home! This final voyage is represented by a boat trip.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qPHepcUN9IE/SjGBqntlIvI/AAAAAAAAABw/gL5wSL25F_g/s320/havens.jpg

Likewise, Tolkien also was one of the first to express the idea of genetic manufacturing via magick - which was used by Saruman to build an army of Urukhai - some believe Tolkien was creating an allegory to the Nazi breeding program which was meant to create 'superhumans' who would help to enslave the world.

http://www.informationen-bilder.de/der-herr-der-ringe/uruk-hai.jpg

All of these things are quite beyond the mundane and yet all of these issues tie in with actual goings-on with the NWO.

Specifically, the concept that higher dimensional or 'divine' beings (like the Elves) are necessary to help defeat evil on this planet, is a mainstay throughout the Lord of the Rings.

The ruling elite can, through clandestine programming and seemingly innocuous entertainment, influence the way millions of minds think, invariably transforming free thought (http://valenzuelasveritas.blogspot.com/2005/12/keepers-at-gate.html)into shackled reasoning. Over decades of methodical molding and development, beginning at the earliest possible age of a human being, those who control television oftentimes succeed in altering and indeed controlling the opinions, beliefs and thoughts of a person. Thus, the goals and views of the elite are transmuted onto those who stand not to benefit by the beliefs they now possess and the thoughts they have been brainwashed to accept.

[solarwindspirit]

background: Daniel the prophet was in a state of fasting and prayer for 3 weeks awaiting an answer, at the end of that time an ET type being* appeared to him by the Hiddekel river and told him this:

"Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand...thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia....and now will I return to fight with the price of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come..."
Daniel 10:12-13, 20

So for three weeks this angelic being was prevented by entities (note the references to royalty) who correspond to physical kingdoms, and actual princes and kings. This was a glimpse into the interdimensional conflict between entities which translates to the governments here on the earth.

Also this reference by Paul in the year 64 A.D. states clearly that our struggle is not with humans, but with invisible entities, again referencing royalty in an unseen realm:

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12



*the ET being was described as follows, so we know this is not an ordinary man: "...behold a certain man clothed in linen whose loins were girded with fine gold...and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. And I Daniel alone saw the vision, for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves." 10:5-7

I hear the Catholics did some pretty heavy editorializing back in 300 A.D

[edelweiss pirate]

What's hilarious, is apparently the herd believed the ending of The Lord of the Rings (read the entire trilogy + hobbit).

Saruman won.

Of course, you wouldn't have guessed that, seeing how the world is peaches n cream, right?

They call it a lie that fools swallow (shiney bait, yum, get some).

That's the actual allegory, lost on the herd.

Food for the Herds: "we won, we won, we won, oh, we won!"

OK, Eyes Open: Now.

How do you work that out? I know Saruman returns to the Shire with Wormtongue and 'industrialises' everything and everyone.... but is later killed by Wormtongue himself....

Certainly a pyrrhic victory if ever there was one...

In a sense the end of the Lord of the Rings represents a tragedy because it is the Human epoch which begins and the end of wisdom and magic.....

Would have been worse if Sauron and Saruman had actually won though. Evil wizards running the show is never a good move. Bumbling corrupt human democracy somewhat better.