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matrixcutter
10-08-2007, 11:24 PM
What do you make of David Icke?

Do you think he really believes it himself? Do you think it's a problem?
Why?


And if you do believe in them, why?
(No insults necessary.)

soglad
10-08-2007, 11:28 PM
I view the whole reptile thing as more of a personality description rather than a literal thing. Anyone who wants power or wars is a spawn of Satan and therefor a reptile, but not LITERALLY. Only in thought.

My 2 cents...

carlg1212
10-08-2007, 11:30 PM
What do you make of David Icke?

Do you think he really believes it himself? Do you think it's a problem?
Why?


And if you do believe in them, why?
(No insults necessary.)


The 'reptilian brain' is the lower part of the brain, the most basic & fundamental part of what makes us 'human'.

There are ancient hieroglyphics that portray people as reptilian humanoids, but these could be ancient children drawing on the walls (much like my kids drew on the walls when they were little).

In the end, we can look at the evidence of what the 'world leaders' do...perpetual war, death, destruction, pain, suffering, etc...all traits of the 'survival of the fittest', the reptilian brain in action.

john white
10-08-2007, 11:44 PM
What do you make of David Icke?

Do you think he really believes it himself? Do you think it's a problem?
Why?


And if you do believe in them, why?
(No insults necessary.)

Why am I required to choose? Mythologically and Metaphorically its as true as anything else is true, I'm sure Icke considers it to be actually true, but he could be wrong about that and still be right about a lot of other things: or right about it and wrong about other things. Time will tell and in the meanwhile I deal with what's in front of me

dondaz
11-08-2007, 12:07 AM
I don't believe in them because I don't know enough about them. I don't go into that subject to know more about them because I don't have an interest in them.

It doesn't mean to say they are not real. Who knows?

Not I, that's for sure.

whitelightrabbit
11-08-2007, 12:11 AM
not sure about the literal reptilian thing, it seems obvious that the ruling class are mostly related and up to no good.

the thing that bothers me about icke is this constant whining about support in a monetary form.

cruise4
11-08-2007, 12:12 AM
I second that... we'll see.

joe dolan
11-08-2007, 12:15 AM
given his detailed/ sourced information it certainly is possible. i have an open mind and certainly do not believe we are alone here.

phoebe
11-08-2007, 12:20 AM
I believe pretty much as carlg1212 above.
The reptilian symbolism is referring to our R-complex
The part of our brain which makes us able to be controlled
Via fear for our children, survival etc etc
And is not to be taken literally.

The R-complex is named for the most advanced part of the brain higher mammals share with reptiles. It is responsible for rage[1], xenophobia[1], basic survival fight-or-flight responses[1], territoriality[citation needed] and social hierarchy[citation needed], along with the desire to submit to stronger (Alpha Type) members of one's own species[citation needed]. Often, the R-Complex can override the more rational function of the brain and result in unpredictable, primitive behavior in even the most sentient of creatures, humans included.

This quote from wikipedia illustrates how,
By our very nature, we are so easily manipulated
Into fighting for our country,
And wanting to be protected by our government etc.
And of course, those that seek to control (us!) know this
And use it to their advantage
Therefore...
They 'worship' the reptilian (complex)
Because that's what's holding their ship together.

I think David Icke believes in literal reptilians.
This is obvious from his writings of shapeshifting human reptoids
(Although some think he's talking about Jews).
I do think this is a problem as I've stated before.
Because when a human reads about shapeshifting twelve foot
Bloodlusting reptoids ruling the planet,
Their subconscious mind
(which basically has the intellect of a six-year old child)
Becomes very, very afraid.
And fear isn't something we want people feeling
If they are to break away from the cycle of torment
(Mind prison)
That they have built for themselves.

David Icke presents misinformation about reptoids.
Which he was presented with by disinformers.
Classic misleading tactic.
Present partial truth with partial fiction
And everyone will be running around
Chasing their tails till the cows come home.

them
11-08-2007, 12:27 AM
Reptiles have been around since the middle of the carboniferous, & through all of the twenty odd epochs since.

That's a very long time indeed. Who's to say that none of them ever evolved a cold bloodied sapience?

carlg1212
11-08-2007, 04:55 AM
Why am I required to choose? Mythologically and Metaphorically its as true as anything else is true, I'm sure Icke considers it to be actually true, but he could be wrong about that and still be right about a lot of other things: or right about it and wrong about other things. Time will tell and in the meanwhile I deal with what's in front of me

It is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

tejas
11-08-2007, 11:48 AM
Its a big universe out there, its foolish to think that humanoids are the only form of life-being.

Most people don't 'believe' because they aint seen em. BUT that doesn't make it not so.

I don't understand how people can outrightly say that its a non-literal thing. There are so many accounts of people seeing different types of beings which spans from the dawn of humanity.

I think its important to keep an open mind about it and not to dismiss it. Its important not to fully accept it either because there is no evidence, but its important not to reject it because there have been many many accounts.

Try to be as objective as possible.

From a practical point of view, it really doesn't matter if they are mythological or literal, at least not now anyways.

Time will tell.

phoebe
11-08-2007, 01:57 PM
Its a big universe out there, its foolish to think that humanoids are the only form of life-being.

Most people don't 'believe' because they aint seen em. BUT that doesn't make it not so.

I don't understand how people can outrightly say that its a non-literal thing. There are so many accounts of people seeing different types of beings which spans from the dawn of humanity.

I think its important to keep an open mind about it and not to dismiss it. Its important not to fully accept it either because there is no evidence, but its important not to reject it because there have been many many accounts.

Try to be as objective as possible.

From a practical point of view, it really doesn't matter if they are mythological or literal, at least not now anyways.

Time will tell.

It is a big universe
But it only contains what you believe/want it to contain.
Each person perceives a different universe (subjectivity).
(Parallel universes!)
How can you be objective about reptilians when reality is subjective?
A subject is an observer and an object is a thing observed by the subject.
The object doesn't exist if the observer doesn't see it.
Belief precedes experience.
Thought always manifests in some form.
Thoughts are energy waves and the universe is the sum of those waves.
No thought means no physical existence.
If you don't conceive thoughts of reptilians
They will not exist in physical reality.

nickatnoon61
12-08-2007, 07:59 AM
I view the whole reptile thing as more of a personality description rather than a literal thing. Anyone who wants power or wars is a spawn of Satan and therefor a reptile, but not LITERALLY. Only in thought.

My 2 cents...

Hey soggy lad,:) r u still doin' the mantra???? :eek:

nickatnoon61
12-08-2007, 08:04 AM
Its a big universe out there, its foolish to think that humanoids are the only form of life-being.

Most people don't 'believe' because they aint seen em. BUT that doesn't make it not so.

I don't understand how people can outrightly say that its a non-literal thing. There are so many accounts of people seeing different types of beings which spans from the dawn of humanity.

I think its important to keep an open mind about it and not to dismiss it. Its important not to fully accept it either because there is no evidence, but its important not to reject it because there have been many many accounts.

Try to be as objective as possible.

From a practical point of view, it really doesn't matter if they are mythological or literal, at least not now anyways.

Time will tell.

Tejas, I agree TOTALLY!!! Look at all the differnt species of just insects on this planet alone!!! I think a lot of us have a problem with the "hybrid" info!:eek: How many of us has not gone snakey every once in a while???
It is called denial....

fccool
12-08-2007, 08:11 AM
What do you make of David Icke?

Do you think he really believes it himself? Do you think it's a problem?
Why?


And if you do believe in them, why?
(No insults necessary.)

I think the 100% honest answer for me is I don't know. There's not only the possibility of reptilians' existance for me to question, but also Ickes motives too. I always pondered why in the world is he still alive and well, and seems to be picking up speed? I don't wish anything bad to happen to anyone, but there are 1000 different ways to stage an "accidental" and yet believable death or dibilitating disease. Say... canser, alschimers, MP. OR how about taking someone out of the circulation and putting the cloned mind controlled slave double who is trained to be him. Do the have technology and means? I'm sure they do. Hell, erase the idea of slave all together. They can capture and brainwash him into submition without him even knowing. So this begs the possibilities.

1) They want him to live because they don't perceive him as a threat

2) They want him to live because he is way off

3) They don't want to make a Martyr out of him (I covered how it could easily be avoided)... which it does not make much sence in case of Kennedy and other such Martyrs for the cause. I mean, it seems that lately the greatest physical threat the guy faced was being creampied (not in a pornographic type of way ). I don't think he has any bodyguards or etc.. not that it would help.

So if he is so right on and exposing this age old plan... he is only a mosquito on the ass of this gianormous controlling machine, which has unlimited resources at their disposal to easily earase him and make the cause of his death just another conspiracy theory.

BUT

Could it be that he creates a cloak of lunacy so to speak by telling something "outrageously ludicrous".... such as blood sucking shapeshifting reptiles are in control of the world? In which case the elites have no reason to take him seriously even if he is correct in presenting the first part of the information... I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is a plausable possibility which you have to consider when approaching the age old question : WHY THE HELL IS HE ALIVE?

auron
12-08-2007, 08:57 AM
I couldn't care less. I'm not from this planet anyway.

nickatnoon61
12-08-2007, 09:10 AM
I couldn't care less. I'm not from this planet anyway.
I think ur from the Planet Shroom auron!!!!:eek: lol

bennett211085
12-08-2007, 09:28 AM
There has been many modern day reports of people claiming to have seen reptile humanoid looking creatures at military instalations. But then again even though there is alot of evidence to suggest they exist, it is still the thing I find hardest to believe.
There is also many people who have spoke of reptilians after tripping on dmt without any apperant knowledge of the conspiracy.

tejas
12-08-2007, 10:21 AM
It is a big universe
But it only contains what you believe/want it to contain.
Each person perceives a different universe (subjectivity).
(Parallel universes!)
How can you be objective about reptilians when reality is subjective?
A subject is an observer and an object is a thing observed by the subject.
The object doesn't exist if the observer doesn't see it.
Belief precedes experience.
Thought always manifests in some form.
Thoughts are energy waves and the universe is the sum of those waves.
No thought means no physical existence.
If you don't conceive thoughts of reptilians
They will not exist in physical reality.

So to a blind aborigine who hasn't been told about cars, aeroplanes and quantum physics these things don't exist?

tejas
12-08-2007, 10:23 AM
I think the 100% honest answer for me is I don't know. There's not only the possibility of reptilians' existance for me to question, but also Ickes motives too. I always pondered why in the world is he still alive and well, and seems to be picking up speed? I don't wish anything bad to happen to anyone, but there are 1000 different ways to stage an "accidental" and yet believable death or dibilitating disease. Say... canser, alschimers, MP. OR how about taking someone out of the circulation and putting the cloned mind controlled slave double who is trained to be him. Do the have technology and means? I'm sure they do. Hell, erase the idea of slave all together. They can capture and brainwash him into submition without him even knowing. So this begs the possibilities.

1) They want him to live because they don't perceive him as a threat

2) They want him to live because he is way off

3) They don't want to make a Martyr out of him (I covered how it could easily be avoided)... which it does not make much sence in case of Kennedy and other such Martyrs for the cause. I mean, it seems that lately the greatest physical threat the guy faced was being creampied (not in a pornographic type of way ). I don't think he has any bodyguards or etc.. not that it would help.

So if he is so right on and exposing this age old plan... he is only a mosquito on the ass of this gianormous controlling machine, which has unlimited resources at their disposal to easily earase him and make the cause of his death just another conspiracy theory.

BUT

Could it be that he creates a cloak of lunacy so to speak by telling something "outrageously ludicrous".... such as blood sucking shapeshifting reptiles are in control of the world? In which case the elites have no reason to take him seriously even if he is correct in presenting the first part of the information... I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is a plausable possibility which you have to consider when approaching the age old question : WHY THE HELL IS HE ALIVE?

I think thats a very fair opinion and one I have questioned myself

phoebe
12-08-2007, 11:12 AM
So to a blind aborigine who hasn't been told about cars, aeroplanes and quantum physics these things don't exist?

Yes.
There's no such thing as objective reality.
Believing is seeing.

narcolepticwatchman
12-08-2007, 11:23 AM
Like anything, I would probably need to see some solid evidence other than some statues and second hand testimony, however, I wouldn't rule it out for two reasons. Firstly, the stuff i have learned over the past year has made me realise that truth is stranger than fiction......nothing is inconceivable. Secondly, there is so much we know so little about. We haven't even been to the bottom of our own oceans never mind the outer reaches of the galaxy.

Are we alone? I'd be very surprised if we were. Are they here already? Quite possibly.

narcolepticwatchman
12-08-2007, 11:38 AM
I think the 100% honest answer for me is I don't know. There's not only the possibility of reptilians' existance for me to question, but also Ickes motives too. I always pondered why in the world is he still alive and well, and seems to be picking up speed? I don't wish anything bad to happen to anyone, but there are 1000 different ways to stage an "accidental" and yet believable death or dibilitating disease. Say... canser, alschimers, MP. OR how about taking someone out of the circulation and putting the cloned mind controlled slave double who is trained to be him. Do the have technology and means? I'm sure they do. Hell, erase the idea of slave all together. They can capture and brainwash him into submition without him even knowing. So this begs the possibilities.

1) They want him to live because they don't perceive him as a threat

2) They want him to live because he is way off

3) They don't want to make a Martyr out of him (I covered how it could easily be avoided)... which it does not make much sence in case of Kennedy and other such Martyrs for the cause. I mean, it seems that lately the greatest physical threat the guy faced was being creampied (not in a pornographic type of way ). I don't think he has any bodyguards or etc.. not that it would help.

So if he is so right on and exposing this age old plan... he is only a mosquito on the ass of this gianormous controlling machine, which has unlimited resources at their disposal to easily earase him and make the cause of his death just another conspiracy theory.

BUT

Could it be that he creates a cloak of lunacy so to speak by telling something "outrageously ludicrous".... such as blood sucking shapeshifting reptiles are in control of the world? In which case the elites have no reason to take him seriously even if he is correct in presenting the first part of the information... I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is a plausable possibility which you have to consider when approaching the age old question : WHY THE HELL IS HE ALIVE?


I have thought about this myself quite a lot lately. You only need to read a David Icke book to realise that the majority of what is written is verifiable fact. Of course, there is the debatable reptillion issue and some people may find his 'infinite love is the only truth everything else is illusion' theroies as dificult to swallow, but, the majority of the 'dot connecting' is truth. The illuminati must be scared that this information is being communicated? He must be a target for that right?

Well, to be honest, he is a bit of a target already isn't he? I mean, the Anti-defamation league are on his case saying that when he says, 'reptile' he really means, 'Jew' and then there is the US court case which is designed to ruin the man.......but we are not talking ruin here are we.....we are talking about murdering the man. I think he may have Terry Wogan to thank for that. Could the Illuminati be banking banking on his reputation as a loony in the UK to curb his popularity? There is no doubt that this opinion causes the vast majority of people to immediatley ridicule him and his theories as well.

mr_moon
12-08-2007, 11:56 AM
I think it's working too- anyone I mention Icke to laughs and says "Oh that loony with the shellsuit?"

Forget about all this Illuminati assisination crap- the more you think about it the more it is likely to happen. How about being confidently rest assured that he's ok? And if anything DID happen to him then at least we know why!

lydia78
12-08-2007, 12:41 PM
Hi

The reptile question is an interesting one, I had an experience once on this matter 11 years ago and never forgot it.

I used to hang out with alot of people with alot of problems, we all mirrored each others inner pain i guess, they did heroin and I was trying to 'save' them from it...anyway, one sunday me and two friends, a brother and sister who were a bit older then me, went up to the heath, we got stoned, dunno what kind of weed it was but by God it was powerful stuff, think I ended up doing a 'dry bucket', anyway, this stuff mashed me up, it was maybe an hour later that they said they wanted to go to the pub, so I said sure, and started to drive them back to town, as I was appraoching town, I suddenly started to feel this utter dread, a fear I have never felt before or since that day, it was like i was overwhelmed by a force of pure fear and 'evil' a word I don't like to use, but at the time it's what i felt. I stopped the car, I couldn't look at my friends because I knew this force was coming from them, their voices even sounded different, more assertive and demanding but different than usual...I had become freaked by this feeling so said to them i woudn't be joining them at the pub in which they started pressuring me to join them...so I looked at them and before my eyes their faces transformed, into what could only be described as demonic looking, something out of buffy the vampire slayer is how i described it to my mother.....i was rooted in terror, not knowing or understanding what the hell was going on, my friends did not seem to notice but they were to engrossed in getting me to join them.

I had to lie and said I'd join them later that night, and eventually they got out the car and I was beyond relief (and then some) and drove home as fast as I could.

The thing is, these friends of mine had had incredbly hard lives, abuse of ever kind had happened to them and they themselves were known violent, drug users (but strangely they were loyal and good to me)....i eventually discovered that they're mother was part of a satanic group, so god only knows what the hell had happened to them in the past.

I will never forget they're faces change, i have no answers except of course for the weed....do you think weed could make you trip like that? If so why did i see that and not something else? I have smoked alot of weed and have never seen anything that comes close to seeing those two shapeshift. in fact I have experimented with acid also and never seen anything like that before. It was an unexpected and uninvited vision which by no means was invented by my own consciousness, why would i desire to see my friends with demonic faces?

So reptiles, do i think they exist in human form, well maybe the spirit of the lower dimensions can infilterate our human vechicle, but who knows for sure, but i believe everything is possible......

eternal_spirit
12-08-2007, 12:52 PM
What do you make of David Icke?

Do you think he really believes it himself? Do you think it's a problem?
Why?


And if you do believe in them, why?
(No insults necessary.)
.................

Is it just a theory he thinks possible?
A problem because it's a theory that can't be proved.
A genetic creation by scientists, part human part reptile?
A creature evolved, left over from dinosours?


There are many strange things ( spirits beings) hallucanations, other dimensional entities, dreams etc. To be seen in many ways. These are the things that can make someone wan't to search for answers and know the truth and then consider other explanations for what these things are.

nickatnoon61
12-08-2007, 07:48 PM
Yes.
There's no such thing as objective reality.
Believing is seeing.

Originally Posted by tejas
So to a blind aborigine who hasn't been told about cars, aeroplanes and quantum physics these things don't exist!
VERY GOOD ANALOGY PHOEBS!!!:)

phoebe
12-08-2007, 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by tejas
So to a blind aborigine who hasn't been told about cars, aeroplanes and quantum physics these things don't exist!
VERY GOOD ANALOGY PHOEBS!!!:)

I guess you're referring to tejas' analogy?
Or are you agreeing with me???

nickatnoon61
12-08-2007, 08:29 PM
I guess you're referring to tejas' analogy?
Or are you agreeing with me???

Sorry phoebs, yes, Teja's analogy, about the Aborigines. Another good quote: "you will see it, when you believe it"

tejas
12-08-2007, 08:35 PM
Yes.
There's no such thing as objective reality.
Believing is seeing.

Well, how come they can still be run over then?
You can't possibley believe this?
Reality is subjective to an extent it is not entirely subjective (at least not in the form that we are in now)
If i wake up one day believing I can fly, it doesn't make it so.

Come to any psychiatric ward to see how non-subjective reality can be.

nickatnoon61
12-08-2007, 09:37 PM
Well, how come they can still be run over then?
You can't possibley believe this?
Reality is subjective to an extent it is not entirely subjective (at least not in the form that we are in now)
If i wake up one day believing I can fly, it doesn't make it so.

Come to any psychiatric ward to see how non-subjective reality can be.

Thanx Tejas, I am sure you could learn to "fly" or Astral Travel,if you BELIEVED, then practiced that! I have read of Tibetan Monks who can bound along the ground at great speed, hardly touching the earth! They also wear only a light garment in freezing temperatures, at no discomfort whatsoever! Also the psych wards are full of the HIGHLY MEDICATED,or lobotomized, geniuses/inventors, who didn't go along with their Matrix programming, like the "average" drones!

phoebe
12-08-2007, 11:49 PM
Well, how come they can still be run over then?
You can't possibley believe this?
Reality is subjective to an extent it is not entirely subjective (at least not in the form that we are in now)
If i wake up one day believing I can fly, it doesn't make it so.

Come to any psychiatric ward to see how non-subjective reality can be.

How can you possibly not believe it?
Perhaps because reality is subjective ;)
You believe one thing, I believe the other
And both are equally true in that case.
Although your truth isn't true in my universe
And my truth not in yours.
You will probably never know,
If you can fly or not, because you don't believe you can.
In much the same way as most people can't lift a car
Until such time as their child is stuck under it's wheels
Then they have to believe they can lift it
So they do.

('Come' to any psychiatric ward?
Are you in one now then? ;p)

Anyway, I found a quote
And whilst I don't usually like to copy and paste other people's words
This says it better than I could have done myself:

However, Philip X, the popular Science Fiction writer no doubt understood it when he wrote penetratingly: "My subjective reality is all there is. Objective reality is merely a synthetic construct dealing with a hypothetical universalization of a multitude of subjective realities." Of course, though, by this he does not mean it is 'his' subjective reality only that exists, because all living things possess a subjective reality in one form or another via the agency of consciousness. The effect of this is that every consciousness may to said to be existing literally in a world of its own.

peter19
13-08-2007, 12:03 AM
its not just if you believe it or not also i would say its a knowing. belief you could say i believe i can fly and you cant (or can you? lol) because we have been conditioned to have limitations. once you break out of them limitations and start to believe that you can do things i think if you truly believe you can, you will. maybe this "wakeing up" process is like this you believe that things are not how they are and you can do things what you never thought you could. so it acts as a mind opener, things what seem far out are not so far out. but because we all have our own filters thats were i go along, its subjective. you could see the same thing as someone else, some person could say its god someone else its an hallucination. there is a truth to it, but alot of times your mind puts your truth on it.

:confused:

james777
13-08-2007, 12:13 AM
I think the 100% honest answer for me is I don't know. There's not only the possibility of reptilians' existance for me to question, but also Ickes motives too. I always pondered why in the world is he still alive and well, and seems to be picking up speed? I don't wish anything bad to happen to anyone, but there are 1000 different ways to stage an "accidental" and yet believable death or dibilitating disease. Say... canser, alschimers, MP. OR how about taking someone out of the circulation and putting the cloned mind controlled slave double who is trained to be him. Do the have technology and means? I'm sure they do. Hell, erase the idea of slave all together. They can capture and brainwash him into submition without him even knowing. So this begs the possibilities.

1) They want him to live because they don't perceive him as a threat

2) They want him to live because he is way off

3) They don't want to make a Martyr out of him (I covered how it could easily be avoided)... which it does not make much sence in case of Kennedy and other such Martyrs for the cause. I mean, it seems that lately the greatest physical threat the guy faced was being creampied (not in a pornographic type of way ). I don't think he has any bodyguards or etc.. not that it would help.

So if he is so right on and exposing this age old plan... he is only a mosquito on the ass of this gianormous controlling machine, which has unlimited resources at their disposal to easily earase him and make the cause of his death just another conspiracy theory.

BUT

Could it be that he creates a cloak of lunacy so to speak by telling something "outrageously ludicrous".... such as blood sucking shapeshifting reptiles are in control of the world? In which case the elites have no reason to take him seriously even if he is correct in presenting the first part of the information... I'm not saying that this is the case, but it is a plausable possibility which you have to consider when approaching the age old question : WHY THE HELL IS HE ALIVE?

Yeah, I agree with you here. I brought these same points up recently and just got shit on for it, but yes, I've been pondering the same thing!

phoebe
13-08-2007, 12:26 AM
its not just if you believe it or not also i would say its a knowing. belief you could say i believe i can fly and you cant (or can you? lol) because we have been conditioned to have limitations. once you break out of them limitations and start to believe that you can do things i think if you truly believe you can, you will. maybe this "wakeing up" process is like this you believe that things are not how they are and you can do things what you never thought you could. so it acts as a mind opener, things what seem far out are not so far out. but because we all have our own filters thats were i go along, its subjective. you could see the same thing as someone else, some person could say its god someone else its an hallucination. there is a truth to it, but alot of times your mind puts your truth on it.

:confused:

Yes exactly.
It puzzles me that
People come to an
"Infinite love is the only truth" website
And then try to put limits on infinity.

hehe.
Carraaaaazay.

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 12:47 AM
Imagine this scenario:- (this is just an example, but imagine this is 100% going to happen)

Planet X is headed our way, and it is going to smash into planet earth and destroy earth completely smashing it to pieces (just an example here)....the only people that know it is 100% heading our way to destroy earth is the illuminati...

A third of the people on earth have never heard about planet X, and dont know anything about it....(just an estimate)...

Another third have heard about planet X and do not believe a word of it even existing.

Another third have heard about it, and believe it is real and it's going to hit us.

Planet X hits us...smashes earth to pieces...

Does the 1/3 of people who have heard of planet X but do not believe it survive ?
And what about the 1/3 who have never heard of planet X, what happens to them ?

In my opinion, everyone would die, belief or no belief..and this example can be used in millions of other examples of how there are limits to what we know as 'creating our own reality' based on beliefs.

tinmenace
13-08-2007, 01:55 AM
The spectrum in which the human eye can see is very limited. There are vasts amount of matter which we simply cannot see, but it doesn't mean it's not there!

Do you know anything about Luminol? It's a chemical used by forensic specialists to detect blood. They spray it on a spot where blood may have been washed clean away. Nothing happens! It's only when an ALTERNATE light-source is used, can we see the invisible blood stains luminesce.

It required a whole different light source to see that which is invisible to us otherwise. This is a very simple and basic example, but one which most can understand.

Now, do you think that it is outside the realms of possibility that our limited vision doesn't allow us to see some BEINGS in their true form?

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 01:59 AM
The spectrum in which the human eye can see is very limited. There are vasts amount of matter which we simply cannot see, but it doesn't mean it's not there!

Do you know anything about Luminol? It's a chemical used by forensic specialists to detect blood. They spray it on a spot where blood may have been washed clean away. Nothing happens! It's only when an ALTERNATE light-source is used, can we see the invisible blood stains luminesce.

It required a whole different light source to see that which is invisible to us otherwise. This is a very simple and basic example, but one which most can understand.

Now, do you think that it is outside the realms of possibility that our limited vision doesn't allow us to see some BEINGS in their true form?


Exactly... the amount of 'what's out there' we percieve, is but a tiny fraction.

nickatnoon61
13-08-2007, 02:16 AM
The spectrum in which the human eye can see is very limited. There are vasts amount of matter which we simply cannot see, but it doesn't mean it's not there!

Do you know anything about Luminol? It's a chemical used by forensic specialists to detect blood.

Yep Tinnie,I am very aware of luminol!! That is how the cops discovered the blood-stains, that led to all the dead trolls they found in my crawl-space!!!:eek:

tinmenace
13-08-2007, 02:19 AM
Yep Tinnie,I am very aware of luminol!! That is how they discovered the blood-stains, that led to all the dead trolls they found in my crawl-space!!!:eek:

:eek: Were they dead for real? Or were they putting on a performance?

nickatnoon61
13-08-2007, 02:30 AM
:eek: Were they dead for real? Or were they putting on a performance?





They weren't fakin' it cuz they started smellin' pretty bad!!!!:eek:

harris999
13-08-2007, 05:08 AM
untill i see a living breathing reptilain myself, or someone records on a video that isnt a hoax, then i will believe in them.

But untill then, ill keep an open mind.

nickatnoon61
13-08-2007, 05:39 AM
untill i see a living breathing reptilain myself, or someone records on a video that isnt a hoax, then i will believe in them.

But untill then, ill keep an open mind. Harris,

If you ever see one it will probably be too late fer ya!!!!:eek:

cleft_asunder
13-08-2007, 05:58 AM
I read somewhere that they have 2 hearts, each located like on the left and right side of the rib cage. They also have like 12 abs. Could be true, could be false.

fccool
13-08-2007, 06:12 AM
Check this out... It's funny that Donovan resembles Icke a bit. Well, maybe just a little bit.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Sorry, it's a correct one now. Check it out again.

nickatnoon61
13-08-2007, 06:42 AM
I read somewhere that they have 2 hearts, each located like on the left and right side of the rib cage. They also have like 12 abs. Could be true, could be false.

Cleft :Dis it "like" on the left...or actually on the left?:eek: Can you"LIKE" say a sentence without "LIKE"the word like in it??? "LIKE"I'm Just thinking out loud!!!!!:D

intuition
13-08-2007, 07:23 AM
I dont believe in them.The description of reptiles is just like that of a clinical physcopath, and i think thats what icke really means.He just calls them reptiles because if you have ever encountered people like this its hard to see the human in them.He gets pretty desperate in his last book when he gives about 10 pages to an docotor who deals with abuse sufferers.Read a few books on physcology, manipulation etc and you can see where icke jumps to his conclusions.

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 12:10 PM
I dont believe in them.The description of reptiles is just like that of a clinical physcopath, and i think thats what icke really means.He just calls them reptiles because if you have ever encountered people like this its hard to see the human in them.

If he really meant "clinical psychopaths" instead of "reptiles", Icke would clearly state:- "i mean clinical psychopaths...not reptiles"....in his books and dvds...

Everything else he states in his books is clearly worded...he says it "as-it-is"... no mincing words... no messing.

He wouldn't even bring up the word 'reptiles'....

Would you bring up the word reptiles if you were a conspiracy/truth researcher, if you meant "clinical psychopaths" ?

He gets pretty desperate in his last book when he gives about 10 pages to an docotor who deals with abuse sufferers.

What he actually does in those pages, is refer the readers to visions and hallucinations from various abuse victims, who have drawn pictures of what's been in their minds... reptilian-type images... what's that got to do with "clinical psychopaths" ?

Read a few books on physcology, manipulation etc and you can see where icke jumps to his conclusions.

He's just passing on information... as he gets it... as word-for-word as possible... if anybody is jumping to conclusions it is the numerous witnesses who are passing on the information to Icke.

Icke's as straight-talking as they come.

peter19
13-08-2007, 12:36 PM
Planet X hits us...smashes earth to pieces...

Does the 1/3 of people who have heard of planet X but do not believe it survive ?
And what about the 1/3 who have never heard of planet X, what happens to them ?

In my opinion, everyone would die, belief or no belief..and this example can be used in millions of other examples of how there are limits to what we know as 'creating our own reality' based on beliefs.

i believe most would die if not all, but before they die and before they see planet earth approaching there realitys would be totally diffrent. one set of people would be scared out of there wits because they believe something is going to happen, another set of people wouldnt be scared at all and be liveing in a rosey world until the disaster happened.

so there is subject reality and there is object truth imo, the object truth is planet x is going to hit the planet. but the subject reality part of it is some people dont worry about it and live in that world because they dont believe it while others are scared and worried because they do. each set of people you could say live in slightly diffrent universes. although they are all in the same fundemental one, because they are a player themselves each one can be diffrent and percived through filters. there still is an objective reality though in that sense of something hitting the planet, but even so people will view it all slightly diffrently. so some will say god is unhappy with us, hes going to destroy us, and others will say its planet x and its caused by this or that. there bodys will still die. but before they do there life view is based on there life experience of how they view the world and how things are.

maybe that is what its behing when you are "enlightened" you merge with the objective and you become and see things how they truely are, not by filters of your beliefs and ideas and life experience.who knows.

tinmenace
13-08-2007, 12:46 PM
It's definitely reptilians. Not lizards. People need to subscribe to David's newsletters and pod-casts to better understand what he's saying.

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phoebe
13-08-2007, 01:32 PM
Imagine this scenario:- (this is just an example, but imagine this is 100% going to happen)

Planet X is headed our way, and it is going to smash into planet earth and destroy earth completely smashing it to pieces (just an example here)....the only people that know it is 100% heading our way to destroy earth is the illuminati...

A third of the people on earth have never heard about planet X, and dont know anything about it....(just an estimate)...

Another third have heard about planet X and do not believe a word of it even existing.

Another third have heard about it, and believe it is real and it's going to hit us.

Planet X hits us...smashes earth to pieces...

Does the 1/3 of people who have heard of planet X but do not believe it survive ?
And what about the 1/3 who have never heard of planet X, what happens to them ?

In my opinion, everyone would die, belief or no belief..and this example can be used in millions of other examples of how there are limits to what we know as 'creating our own reality' based on beliefs.


OK, a good analogy to work with.
My reckoning is, using your statistics...
And my very limited understanding of this whole subject:
A third of people believe, and another third know of the POSSIBILITY
Therefore...
Two thirds of the people on earth have Planet X in their 'reality'
Therefore there would be a 'consensus reality'
(Perhaps consensus reality would even come about
With only a third of us believing, I don't know)
Planet X would therefore exist
And smash the earth to pieces.

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 01:33 PM
i believe most would die if not all, but before they die and before they see planet earth approaching there realitys would be totally diffrent. one set of people would be scared out of there wits because they believe something is going to happen, another set of people wouldnt be scared at all and be liveing in a rosey world until the disaster happened.

What about if nobody saw it coming (except the illuminati), or knew it was going to hit earth on a certain day (like a big surprise for everybody else)?

so there is subject reality and there is object truth imo, the object truth is planet x is going to hit the planet. but the subject reality part of it is some people dont worry about it and live in that world because they dont believe it while others are scared and worried because they do.

If this is the case, and reptilians are real (which in my opinion they are)... then the people who do not believe in them would be the ones who would be the most 'confused' / scared etc.. if one 'appeared' in front of that 'non-believer'. Because even though that 'non-believer's reality (subject reality) doesn't contain reptilians, the objective truth would be that they do exist...

So it wouldn't matter whether people don't believe in reptilians (or dont WANT to believe in reptilians)...if reptilians exist, then even the non-believers would not be able to keep a reptilian 'out of their' reality. If one appeared, they would see it whether they believe in them or not.

maybe that is what its behing when you are "enlightened" you merge with the objective and you become and see things how they truely are, not by filters of your beliefs and ideas and life experience.who knows.

I agree.. and i think this must relate to the experiences of 'near death' victims who have seen their 'lives flash before them' in a split second... but...whether that is seeing things as they 'truly are' or not is another matter...

Supposedly 'infinite love' is the only truth... but what about all these people who claim to have gone to the 'other side' (spiritworld) after death... (heaven and stuff)... maybe you do take with you you're own 'reality' based on your beliefs, after death, but to another level of this 'matrix' (but not true infinte love)

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 01:36 PM
OK, a good analogy to work with.
My reckoning is, using your statistics...
And my very limited understanding of this whole subject:
A third of people believe, and another third know of the POSSIBILITY
Therefore...
Two thirds of the people on earth have Planet X in their 'reality'
Therefore there would be a 'consensus reality'
(Perhaps consensus reality would even come about
With only a third of us believing, I don't know)
Planet X would therefore exist
And smash the earth to pieces.

I agree, that the concensus reality would play a part (according to what i have read about concensus reality)

But, what if, nobody knew about planet X except, say, 50 - 100 top level illuminati members... and they tell nobody.... and nobody else in the world knew about planet X, and it hit by surprise.

Surely, still, the earth would smash into bits and everyone would die (apart from maybe the illuminati if they had a way to get off the earth in time)

And this example can be used for reptilians existing too. Even if the world didn't know about (or believe in) reptilians... if they do exist, and one appeared in front of a crowd of a million people.... they would all see it... regardless of whether it's in their 'reality' or not.... it would be 'real' to everyone.

phoebe
13-08-2007, 03:48 PM
I agree, that the concensus reality would play a part (according to what i have read about concensus reality)

But, what if, nobody knew about planet X except, say, 50 - 100 top level illuminati members... and they tell nobody.... and nobody else in the world knew about planet X, and it hit by surprise.

Surely, still, the earth would smash into bits and everyone would die (apart from maybe the illuminati if they had a way to get off the earth in time)

I agree that is what appears to be logical,
But the truth of the matter is probably something entirely different.
And we wouldn't know either way would we?

And this example can be used for reptilians existing too. Even if the world didn't know about (or believe in) reptilians... if they do exist, and one appeared in front of a crowd of a million people.... they would all see it... regardless of whether it's in their 'reality' or not.... it would be 'real' to everyone.

Maybe or...
They might not be able to see something
So far removed from what they perceive as possible.
(As in the example I gave earlier
re Cortez ships and the Aztec shaman.)

Quantum physical views of reality
Further information: Interpretation of quantum mechanics and Philosophy of physics

Quantum mechanics (QM) has kept physicists and philosophers in debate on the nature of reality since its invention. QM states that prior to observation, nothing can be said about a physical system other than a probability function which seems to be definable to a degree by assumptions about the system's elements. With observation a system's probability wave function will collapse into a precise quantity which is predictable by the means of measuring the device applied. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle states that there are certain measurements that reduce the accuracy of other measurements of the same system. Primarily, one cannot measure the location and velocity of sub-atomic elements such as an electron precisely because the more one looks for the former the less accuracy one can achieve for the latter. This imprecision introduces an uncertainty into the overall state of the system and the necessity of a choice on the part of the one making the measurement, namely which aspect will he find accurately at the cost of the other. This decision on the part of the measurer has created no small problem for objectivists who insist that at its core reality is objectively present whether anyone notices or not. Several experiments such as the double slit and Bell's[citation needed] have confirmed that the simple act of observing does impact the system's state in a noticeable way; since the detector itself has to be changed to detect anything at all, there is necessarily a change in the observed particle because of quantum entanglement. But also the state of correlating particles which have not been measured appears to be affected. Even the notion of cause and effect is brought into question in the quantum world where irreducible randomness cannot currently be avoided as a basic assumption. In theory large numbers of random quantum elements seen as a group from a very great distance can seem like cause and effect which is why our level of experience appears to function almost completely deterministically.

It has led some people to assume that there is no reality existing, independent of our own consciousness as observer.[/COLOR]


:)

Apart from all that business
I do know one thing...
Truth is paradoxical
So we are both right.
And both completely wrong.

:)

e7304
13-08-2007, 04:33 PM
Hi

The reptile question is an interesting one, I had an experience once on this matter 11 years ago and never forgot it.

I used to hang out with alot of people with alot of problems, we all mirrored each others inner pain i guess, they did heroin and I was trying to 'save' them from it...anyway, one sunday me and two friends, a brother and sister who were a bit older then me, went up to the heath, we got stoned, dunno what kind of weed it was but by God it was powerful stuff, think I ended up doing a 'dry bucket', anyway, this stuff mashed me up, it was maybe an hour later that they said they wanted to go to the pub, so I said sure, and started to drive them back to town, as I was appraoching town, I suddenly started to feel this utter dread, a fear I have never felt before or since that day, it was like i was overwhelmed by a force of pure fear and 'evil' a word I don't like to use, but at the time it's what i felt. I stopped the car, I couldn't look at my friends because I knew this force was coming from them, their voices even sounded different, more assertive and demanding but different than usual...I had become freaked by this feeling so said to them i woudn't be joining them at the pub in which they started pressuring me to join them...so I looked at them and before my eyes their faces transformed, into what could only be described as demonic looking, something out of buffy the vampire slayer is how i described it to my mother.....i was rooted in terror, not knowing or understanding what the hell was going on, my friends did not seem to notice but they were to engrossed in getting me to join them.

I had to lie and said I'd join them later that night, and eventually they got out the car and I was beyond relief (and then some) and drove home as fast as I could.

The thing is, these friends of mine had had incredbly hard lives, abuse of ever kind had happened to them and they themselves were known violent, drug users (but strangely they were loyal and good to me)....i eventually discovered that they're mother was part of a satanic group, so god only knows what the hell had happened to them in the past.

I will never forget they're faces change, i have no answers except of course for the weed....do you think weed could make you trip like that? If so why did i see that and not something else? I have smoked alot of weed and have never seen anything that comes close to seeing those two shapeshift. in fact I have experimented with acid also and never seen anything like that before. It was an unexpected and uninvited vision which by no means was invented by my own consciousness, why would i desire to see my friends with demonic faces?

So reptiles, do i think they exist in human form, well maybe the spirit of the lower dimensions can infilterate our human vechicle, but who knows for sure, but i believe everything is possible......

Ok Lydia 78 I noticed your comments.

I did write something about your experience as compared to many others who have had these "experiences" when under drugs (read many "out there" writers) but I kept getting "deletions" on my posts.....probably due to my laptop not any "attacks".

Anyway Icke states reptillians. Period. Doesnt matter what we say or think...he states REAL REPTILLAINS. Now he relies on people who are obviously close to , or have influenced him before.

His earlier works and ideas were ridiculed by the MSM and still are, but I think anyone who has a grasp, even though it may be slight, of a "conspiracy" by the elite, have to admit he has some "truths". Many claim he "stole" these from others, others claim he is "in" with the very powers he is meant to expose.

Others say he should be dead if he has exposed the truth. Good point. But I never used to believe that "ufo's" were real...and that there was a cover up, but these people who have exposed it are still alive. I never believed that big pharma did not give a damm about our health...I belived THEY REALLY cared about people. How wrong I was...the people who are exposing this, they are still alive....and for about 14 days I believed that the US was attacked by "foreign" enemies....

All these "beliefs" were part of my stupidity by watching MSM and listening to all the so called "experts". I now cannot even read my so called local newspaper due to the contradiction its shows about Iraq to what I have seen and read on the internet.

If there is one lesson I have learned in the last 20 years its "dont believe experts".

If Icke is wrong on reptiles, so be it. BUT our so called evolution experts cant get it right on where or how we evolved, but like to state that neo darwinism is the truth.

YEEEAH RIIGHT.

Creationists and evolutionists are full of it. You have to be to attract the money...which is what its all about anyway.

Are there reptillains shapeshifters???....who knows as our "science" is so biased and one eyed we are not being told the truth about our origins anyway.

If Icke has these ideas, we should watch very closely but keep in mind that it is truly open and not biased by both creationism and neo darwinism. Some people have stated that if we do not know our past we cannot determine our future . I believe that we have been lied to....I accept what Steven Greer and others have stated OPENLY....BUT not taken up by the MSM.

If basic experiments by people who utilise technologies by Tesla and others, ie joe cell , browns gas etc , can show free energy and new clean methods of power generation for society, what else are we not being told..?

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 06:27 PM
:)

Apart from all that business
I do know one thing...
Truth is paradoxical
So we are both right.
And both completely wrong.

:)

I agree :)

edelweiss pirate
13-08-2007, 08:57 PM
I don't believe the reptilian theory... I've been to some crazy head space places and have never seen one... just how many drugs or how out of it do you have to be before you see one?

Has David himself ever seen one? I bet he hasn't...

It's not lizards in control it's schizophrenics...

The lizards thing sounds daft. I think that's the intention. Not that I think Icke is insincere... there's just no lizzies... just crazy people trying to shape chaos into order and unfortunately not using entirely good means while doing it.

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 09:13 PM
I don't believe the reptilian theory... I've been to some crazy head space places and have never seen one...

A top level illuminati satanic ritual is what i would class as a 'crazy head space place'

Has David himself ever seen one? I bet he hasn't...

He's seen a 'black-eyed' person. (Ted Heath) He wrote about the experience in one of his books... i think it was tales from the time loop, but i'm not too sure.

It's not lizards in control it's schizophrenics...

You'd have to have visited all other dimensions and attended satanic rituals at top level to make such a statement.

The lizards thing sounds daft. I think that's the intention.

Why would David wish to sound daft? He doesn't sound daft on any other of his research, in fact he comes across as being very serious.

Not that I think Icke is insincere... there's just no lizzies...

Again, you can't make that statement uless you've explored all other dimensions and attended top level satanic rituals. My guess is you have not done either.

snoopsnuffleopagus
13-08-2007, 09:29 PM
Peace & Greetings!:

Hi!. edelweissepirate: As you, I am 'old school', what are your thoughts on the 'Fallen Angels', the Rebel Malakim?. They have both: Intergalactic and Interdimensional capabilities, and can be considered Super-Beings, with potent powers to deceive.

Colour Me Curious, Very Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

edelweiss pirate
13-08-2007, 09:51 PM
A top level illuminati satanic ritual is what i would class as a 'crazy head space place'


You'd have to have visited all other dimensions and attended satanic rituals at top level to make such a statement.



Again, you can't make that statement uless you've explored all other dimensions and attended top level satanic rituals. My guess is you have not done either.

Top level satanic rituals..... that's not the whole story...

If you think the only way to see the truth is by getting involoved in top level satanic rituals then I suggest you guess again.

You're getting too Icked up..... The rituals are for the idiots. Those who are purposefully misled. You do realise that masonry actively misleads its initates...

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 09:58 PM
Top level satanic rituals..... that's not the whole story...

If you think the only way to see the truth is by getting involoved in top level satanic rituals then I suggest you guess again.

You're getting too Icked up..... The rituals are for the idiots. Those who are purposefully misled. You do realise that masonry actively misleads its initates...

OK whatever... so Icke's misled and an idiot for taking it seriously.. and so am i and everyone else who considers it a possibilty of reptilians existing..

So you must've explored all the other dimensions yourself then... what were they like?

edelweiss pirate
13-08-2007, 10:06 PM
The so called 'extra-demensions' are just this one but with a different perception...


That's why those clowns do all those evil things... because it gives them an evil hateful and self destructive feeling. It opens up the portal to hell INSIDE THEIR OWN MINDS...

The only thing is if enough people open up the portal then they all share the same dimension...

That's what I experienced anyway.

Apologies if it doesn't tally with your experience of what someone else wrote.

edelweiss pirate
13-08-2007, 10:08 PM
Btw learn to read please:

The rituals are for the idiots.

By which I mean the masonic idiots..

I feel like Johny Rotten now....

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 10:17 PM
The so called 'extra-demensions' are just this one but with a different perception...

So, the spiritworld doesn't exist as another plane where 'entities' exist ?

The only thing is if enough people open up the portal then they all share the same dimension...

That's what I experienced anyway.

Apologies if it doesn't tally with your experience of what someone else wrote.

It's not about what somebody else wrote... i have experienced a 'other-dimensional' entity myself.. whether it was reptilian or not i do not know.

21_12_2012
13-08-2007, 10:20 PM
Btw learn to read please:



By which I mean the masonic idiots..

I can read.

It sounded like you were insinuating that anybody that takes these rituals seriously (as Icke does by writing about them and putting it across as his theory of who runs the world and how) is an idiot.

tinmenace
26-08-2007, 05:37 AM
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thomascovenant
26-08-2007, 06:04 AM
some very interesting connections between sightings of reps and electromagnetic fields.This is the reason for so many sightings being around military installations.Use the right wavelength and you can make a human experience anything you want.
Especially when a natural field is combined with an artificial one.

lemonique
26-08-2007, 08:17 AM
Can't say I've come face to face with a Rep. Seen some people's eyes change colour which freaked me out somewhat. Some people I have met have also had extremely bad vibes which has made me afraid of them. What that was ,who knows:confused:
'Saying'; The mind is like a parachute, it works better when it's open.

I try to keep my mind open.

Lemonique

megafish33
26-08-2007, 08:51 AM
Reptiles have been around since the middle of the carboniferous, & through all of the twenty odd epochs since.

That's a very long time indeed. Who's to say that none of them ever evolved a cold bloodied sapience?

Best post in thread IMHO. lol Right to the point. Who's to say, indeed....

william_mac
26-08-2007, 10:05 AM
I view it literally. I think it's a problem. I've done the research, I've researched the cited sources, and my whole journey on this thing began when I started researching why all cultures have the same depiction of the dragon... that's when I found out about David Icke.

I thought it was weird. But... doing the research, reading the tablets, looking at the ancient cultures, especially the Sumerian Tablets.... I just can't think otherwise right now. It seems very solid to me.



-William
www.William-Mac.com

barbitone
26-08-2007, 10:37 AM
your seriously desperate aren't you Matrixcutter.......

chris
26-08-2007, 11:09 AM
What do you make of David Icke?

Do you think he really believes it himself? Do you think it's a problem?
Why?


And if you do believe in them, why?
(No insults necessary.)

I've been dealing with the solid info for so long that I haven't considered this in a long time.

I have had dreams where I have seen shapshifting reptilians...The first was when I was in a rebellian and my girlfriend turned out to be an agent reptilian...The second was when I went to this tropical Island and I saw a female and as I looked into her eye's I saw a huge A across my field of vision then an N and the other letters NUNIKI consecutively as this was happening I saw her shapeshift into a reptilian inbetween the flashing letters.

I haven't seen any solid proof that this is real...I think it may exist in the higher dimensions but I am very doubtful that it happens the way David Icke says it on here.

I also completely disagree with 'the biggest secret' which makes out that your local counciller or head teacher may be a reptillian shapeshifter, this is paranoid delusion.

I think that MI5 sent agents to David Icke to make this stuff out to be true and everywhere. It may be true but I think if it was it would only be the top elite families that could do it.

The reptillian thing certainly hurts David Icke as he has zero creditability when it comes to professional debate but it can help wake the more open minded people up that just like to read crazy things because DI has decent research in other areas.

I think almost all the symbolism of reptilians is really symbolic representations of shakti energies rather than actual people. I have seen these energies many times and almost always do they take a form of serpent or dragon.

David Icke believes them and I don't think he can backtrack on one of his major principals but I think he's been fed disinfo to discredit him (real or not).

mentalogirl
26-08-2007, 11:36 AM
When my uncle was about 2 years old(in the early 40's I think) he used to have 'visions' which terrified him.He'd be left in his cot,sometimes for an afternoon nap,and he would be screaming within minutes,claiming to be seeing someone on the corner of the room who looked like Jesus but had 'very evil eyes'.(I don't know where he got the Jesus description from,probably due to my grandmother being catholic and having various images of saints and Jesus in the house).
My uncle was also a child-prodigy,who could speak at 9 months,bypassing baby-talk stage,and probably a psychic as well.When he had these visions,he would also have a temperature,and would point,horrified, to this creature with evil eyes which noone else in the family could see.
The first few times it happened the family contacted a healer who lived far away to come and help.Afterwards,whenever my uncle had visions,this healer would just turn up without being called,claiming that he heard my uncle needed him.
My family was deeply Catholic so their belief system didn't know what to make of all this.

Since I started being aware of this whole reptilian possibility,it got me thinking that for sure my uncle,at 2 years old,was open to the perception of frequencies which no one else was.

eternal_spirit
26-08-2007, 12:04 PM
Oh! I love the newsletter (http://www.davidicke.com/amember/signup.php) this week!!! Go David! Telling the truth about Alan Watt!

ROFLMFAO!


http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_40.gif
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LOL must be funny. Can you copy, paste and post the bit about Watt?

eternal_spirit
26-08-2007, 12:08 PM
some very interesting connections between sightings of reps and electromagnetic fields.This is the reason for so many sightings being around military installations.Use the right wavelength and you can make a human experience anything you want.
Especially when a natural field is combined with an artificial one.
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This or hypnotics suggestions, or drugs that make you see things is more than likley closer to the truth. Oh and people dressing up in costumes, take a professional Hollwood make up artist etc etc, I' think Arizona Wilder said that the humans who shapeshift wore robes to cover themselves. Or just plain outright lies and disinfo and |Icke has swallowed it.

There's still more theories. reptile = snake as in kundalini the serpent force. The dragon could be symbolic of anything other than shapeshifting human/reptiles.

nickatnoon61
26-08-2007, 12:08 PM
When my uncle was about 2 years old(in the early 40's I think) he used to have 'visions' which terrified him.He'd be left in his cot,sometimes for an afternoon nap,and he would be screaming within minutes,claiming to be seeing someone on the corner of the room who looked like Jesus but had 'very evil eyes'.(I don't know where he got the Jesus description from,probably due to my grandmother being catholic and having various images of saints and Jesus in the house).
My uncle was also a child-prodigy,who could speak at 9 months,bypassing baby-talk stage,and probably a psychic as well.When he had these visions,he would also have a temperature,and would point,horrified, to this creature with evil eyes which noone else in the family could see.
The first few times it happened the family contacted a healer who lived far away to come and help.Afterwards,whenever my uncle had visions,this healer would just turn up without being called,claiming that he heard my uncle needed him.
My family was deeply Catholic so their belief system didn't know what to make of all this.

Since I started being aware of this whole reptilian possibility,it got me thinking that for sure my uncle,at 2 years old,was open to the perception of frequencies which no one else was.

Great post Mentalo,personal experiences are what we need more of, on here, to compare notes with! It sounds like your uncle may be Indigo. thanx....:)

eternal_spirit
26-08-2007, 12:40 PM
Icke claims to have been to over 40 countries around the World and heard the same fantastic story that people shapeshift into reptiles. This doesn't mean these people were being truthful. How easy would it be for them to have been planted, or manipulated by whoever want's to spread disinfo?


Cave paintings prove nothing, they are easily faked and if some are genuine as the mythical stories from ancient culture, it still doesn't mean reptiles as in flesh and blood shapeshifting varieties, but something symbolic.

But who's to say there isn't a missing link between man and the dinosaurs that evolved to become part man part reptile/lizard. These beings may well exist but I doubt they shapeshift. They could be highly intelligent and rule or advise humans from some secret location and make appearances from time to time.

chris
26-08-2007, 12:56 PM
Icke claims to have been to over 40 countries around the World and heard the same fantastic story that people shapeshift into reptiles. This doesn't mean these people were being truthful. How easy would it be for them to have been planted, or manipulated by whoever want's to spread disinfo?

Very easily.


Cave paintings prove nothing, they are easily faked and if some are genuine as the mythical stories from ancient culture, it still doesn't mean reptiles as in flesh and blood shapeshifting varieties, but something symbolic.

Exactimundo.

But who's to say there isn't a missing link between man and the dinosaurs that evolved to become part man part reptile/lizard. These beings may well exist but I doubt they shapeshift. They could be highly intelligent and rule or advise humans from some secret location and make appearances from time to time.

Is the crayfish aware of the octopus? Not until it's too late...Could be considered a conspiracy theorist inciting fear in other crayfish over what looks like a normal rock.

nickatnoon61
26-08-2007, 01:06 PM
Icke claims to have been to over 40 countries around the World and heard the same fantastic story that people shapeshift into reptiles. This doesn't mean these people were being truthful. How easy would it be for them to have been planted, or manipulated by whoever want's to spread disinfo?


Cave paintings prove nothing, they are easily faked and if some are genuine as the mythical stories from ancient culture, it still doesn't mean reptiles as in flesh and blood shapeshifting varieties, but something symbolic.

But who's to say there isn't a missing link between man and the dinosaurs that evolved to become part man part reptile/lizard. These beings may well exist but I doubt they shapeshift. They could be highly intelligent and rule or advise humans from some secret location and make appearances from time to time.

ES the symbology is everywhere. What about the Alfa Romeo logo of a snake eating a human? You don't get much more blatant than that!!! There are thousands of other dragon symbols and examples also. I am open to it, and my gut tells me it is truth! Also, I had a "chance" phone conversation with a Freemason, just after "The Biggest Secret" came out, and this guy told me Icke was retracting everything about the Reptilian Agenda. So he was obviously lying. Why would he go to that trouble about something so silly as Reptilians I wonder? Just another small piece of the puzzle for me.

matrixcutter
26-08-2007, 01:07 PM
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LOL must be funny. Can you copy, paste and post the bit about Watt?
Link provided by John White in the new Alan Watt mp3 thread (there should be a new one later today, from Red Ice Creations Radio (http://www.redicecreations.com/))

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=4929

mentalogirl
26-08-2007, 01:08 PM
Great post Mentalo,personal experiences are what we need more of, on here, to compare notes with! It sounds like your uncle may be Indigo. thanx....:)

What is Indigo?

eternal_spirit
26-08-2007, 01:15 PM
What is Indigo?

Some say it's a product of atention deficit Disorder or autism others think it's special starchildren, born with special powers, be better doing a search.

eternal_spirit
26-08-2007, 01:21 PM
[quote=nickatnoon61;108882]ES the symbology is everywhere. What about the Alfa Romeo logo of a snake eating a human? You don't get much more blatant than that!!!
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Never seen that one:eek:
The Anaconda snake of the Amazon has been known to eat humans, also the boa constricta ( Africa or somewhere)
Maybe the tribal peoples see these snakes as sacred and that's part of were the story originates.

eternal_spirit
26-08-2007, 01:23 PM
http://www.tuningdiscount.nl/images/alfa%20romeo%20logo.jpg

eternal_spirit
26-08-2007, 01:24 PM
Yes it does look like a man in a snakes mouth, but do you think it looks like something other than that ?

nickatnoon61
26-08-2007, 01:34 PM
Yes it does look like a man in a snakes mouth, but do you think it looks like something other than that ?

Maybe the snake was blowin' him and got carried away!!!!:eek: You are funny sometimes, ES!!!!:D This guy has the same huge logo on his lawn on his estate! I have been studying everything Reptilian since I read The Biggest Secret when it first came out. It is not just Icke who talks about it. There are many others. The indigenous peoples still pass on the knowledge of these 2 legged snakes. If my life was on the line I would bet yes, they do exist!

john white
26-08-2007, 01:40 PM
What do we mean by "exist" anyway?

Materialism?

Solid Atoms in a solid Universe?

Now thats more fanciful than reptilian shapeshifters! LOL

Anyway, whether Reptillians are percievable on the materialist level or not, they are certainly percievable, and anything that can be percieved exists in some form

nickatnoon61
26-08-2007, 01:58 PM
What do we mean by "exist" anyway?

Materialism?

Solid Atoms in a solid Universe?

Now thats more fanciful than reptilian shapeshifters! LOL

Anyway, whether Reptillians are percievable on the materialist level or not, they are certainly percievable, and anything that can be percieved exists in some form

Yes JW, anything that can be imagined, can be manifested. We have just lost that talent, for lack of practice.

Ian2day
26-08-2007, 03:38 PM
If anyone has looked in the Reptilian part of the Icke forum. They will see that I state that I have seen a Reptillian. My first experience of a Reptillian was nearly 25 years ago now. Well before Icke had left the BBC. I was in town with a friend of mine. We had just come out of McDonalds (hey I was a kid that didn't know any better back then) on a Saturday afternoon near to Christmas.

As I walked out I saw someone. That just didn't seem right. They didn't fit in with everyone else. They was wearing a police uniform on patrol. They was female in their early twenties and they had the most leathery looking grayish skin you have ever seen. They had a wide face and features that were a bit stretched. They didn't notice me looking at them. Then they was gone responding to a call on their radio. So my mind moved onto other things. I was off doing what teenage kids do on a Saturday afternoon near Christmas. As I have said I was a teenager, so my hormones etc would of been all over the place.

Then a few years later there was the Icke admission on Wogan. During this time I was not into watching TV. So it didn't figure much in my thinking. I laughed at Icke along with everyone else. I was young and out to have a good time with my 'mates'. Quite a few years later I got into looking beyond what we are told in the media and at school. I had been sent a few links to Alex Jones just after 9/11. I knew when the second tower was hit by a plane that it was deliberate. Then I read how the Bin Laden family was allowed to fly out of America. About the Anthrax threat. How the spores were traced back to the Americans themselves. Back then my life had more pressing priorities. So I didn't bother to investigate on it any more. I knew that it was important and that to really look into it would take loads of time. So I left it until I could give it the time it deserved.

Finally there was time in my life. I had been busy for the last few years working to meet my bills. I just didn't understand why I was never able to earn enough just to get by. How I always ended up being skint and owing money to the system. I was disillusioned with the system big time. I was looking for something. Not sure what I was trying to find out. Up until this point in my life I had been one of the crowd. Just doing what others do as I was a part of society. I was a socially constructed person. Living a media constructed life. However I always, always had a problem with authority. Never liked others telling me what to do. Unsure why. I just didn't think that others had any rights to my obedience due to their position or job title. Even my own parents when they was alive bore the brunt of this aspect of me not conforming to what they wanted for me.

So my next experience of a Reptillian was fast approaching. Some massive changes had happened in my life. I had, had a few dreams with premonitions come true in my life. I was open to looking into the 9/11 evidence again. I started looking at the Alex Jones website. More and more I could see the lies unraveling. Different websites. Some weird and wacky ones. Some had links to Ickes site. I started reading about 9/11 first and then other subjects. Eventually I read about Ickes Reptilian research. I watched his lectures on google. I saw the info and how he was presenting it. So I stopped laughing about the first Wogan interview. I had a more open mind.

So it was about twenty years after I had first seen the police officer with the strange face and skin. I was doing something in another town. This was the most stressful thing I have ever had to do in my life. It followed on from a period of about five years of extreme stress in my life and two years of awakening to other aspects of reality. I was walking and saw them again. In police uniform still. The thing that made me just stare was that they had not aged one bit. They looked just the same as before. Only this time I was on heightened alert due to the situation I had been in. My senses were primed for all possibilities.

So I saw them walking past me. When our gaze met. They saw that I was staring and look back at me. I carried on staring frozen with terror. My gaze fixated on their eyes. And it was at that moment. It clicked for me. I realised that they was one of these Reptillians that Icke speaks of. I was thinking this over and over again and again. I was like oh my god Icke was right. I was thinking in my head, why are you here. What do you want. With this. They did something. In the blink of an eye. Like a chameleon changing colour they changed the colour of their skin from an ill looking human hue to a very light greyish/greenish hue. It was just like turning a dial from one extreme to the other and back again. If you blinked you would of missed it. Their eyes didn't change. They stayed the same. All the time they just looked into my eyes. I kept asking again and again. Why are you here. The response was that I'm not ready to know yet. This communication was taking place with our minds. Not a word was spoken between us. It was just seconds. With that they just shrugged their shoulders at me walked off and I was filled with terror.

Terror contained in the realisation that the world was not as it is supposed to be. That a lot of what Icke spoke of was possible. Now the thing that is most important to realise. Is that if I am telling the truth. If you believe that I saw a Reptillian on these occasions. Then if there is one, then there must be more of them and what do they want? Why are they here?

Myself I go for the biological version of the sims. That we are no more than a computer simulation. We're possibly just some entertainment for beings that inhabit another dimension of reality. The more I think along these lines. The more I see it in peoples faces when out and about. That they are just vacant inside. Like a series of drones which walk around following a set of predefined rules. With our instructions for the biological version of the sims coming to us in our sleep. Come on, look at the roads and rail systems. Just look at all of the people displaying Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Who in their right mind would subject themselves to the shit that comes with commuting? Spending hours and hours every single week just sat in traffic jams and on overcrowded trains and buses. There is no logic in it. I don't know what it is but it certainly is not living.

So finally I believe that we should really be asking, why are the Reptillians here. I think it is vastly more important than, are the Reptillians real or not. Looking to the answer to why are they here. Will give us more valuable knowledge then having it confirmed that they are here among us.

woghd
27-08-2007, 12:41 AM
If anyone has looked in the Reptilian part of the Icke forum. They will see that I state that I have seen a Reptillian. My first experience of a Reptillian was nearly 25 years ago now. Well before Icke had left the BBC. I was in town with a friend of mine. We had just come out of McDonalds (hey I was a kid that didn't know any better back then) on a Saturday afternoon near to Christmas.

As I walked out I saw someone. That just didn't seem right. They didn't fit in with everyone else. They was wearing a police uniform on patrol. They was female in their early twenties and they had the most leathery looking grayish skin you have ever seen. They had a wide face and features that were a bit stretched. They didn't notice me looking at them. Then they was gone responding to a call on their radio. So my mind moved onto other things. I was off doing what teenage kids do on a Saturday afternoon near Christmas. As I have said I was a teenager, so my hormones etc would of been all over the place.

Then a few years later there was the Icke admission on Wogan. During this time I was not into watching TV. So it didn't figure much in my thinking. I laughed at Icke along with everyone else. I was young and out to have a good time with my 'mates'. Quite a few years later I got into looking beyond what we are told in the media and at school. I had been sent a few links to Alex Jones just after 9/11. I knew when the second tower was hit by a plane that it was deliberate. Then I read how the Bin Laden family was allowed to fly out of America. About the Anthrax threat. How the spores were traced back to the Americans themselves. Back then my life had more pressing priorities. So I didn't bother to investigate on it any more. I knew that it was important and that to really look into it would take loads of time. So I left it until I could give it the time it deserved.

Finally there was time in my life. I had been busy for the last few years working to meet my bills. I just didn't understand why I was never able to earn enough just to get by. How I always ended up being skint and owing money to the system. I was disillusioned with the system big time. I was looking for something. Not sure what I was trying to find out. Up until this point in my life I had been one of the crowd. Just doing what others do as I was a part of society. I was a socially constructed person. Living a media constructed life. However I always, always had a problem with authority. Never liked others telling me what to do. Unsure why. I just didn't think that others had any rights to my obedience due to their position or job title. Even my own parents when they was alive bore the brunt of this aspect of me not conforming to what they wanted for me.

So my next experience of a Reptillian was fast approaching. Some massive changes had happened in my life. I had, had a few dreams with premonitions come true in my life. I was open to looking into the 9/11 evidence again. I started looking at the Alex Jones website. More and more I could see the lies unraveling. Different websites. Some weird and wacky ones. Some had links to Ickes site. I started reading about 9/11 first and then other subjects. Eventually I read about Ickes Reptilian research. I watched his lectures on google. I saw the info and how he was presenting it. So I stopped laughing about the first Wogan interview. I had a more open mind.

So it was about twenty years after I had first seen the police officer with the strange face and skin. I was doing something in another town. This was the most stressful thing I have ever had to do in my life. It followed on from a period of about five years of extreme stress in my life and two years of awakening to other aspects of reality. I was walking and saw them again. In police uniform still. The thing that made me just stare was that they had not aged one bit. They looked just the same as before. Only this time I was on heightened alert due to the situation I had been in. My senses were primed for all possibilities.

So I saw them walking past me. When our gaze met. They saw that I was staring and look back at me. I carried on staring frozen with terror. My gaze fixated on their eyes. And it was at that moment. It clicked for me. I realised that they was one of these Reptillians that Icke speaks of. I was thinking this over and over again and again. I was like oh my god Icke was right. I was thinking in my head, why are you here. What do you want. With this. They did something. In the blink of an eye. Like a chameleon changing colour they changed the colour of their skin from an ill looking human hue to a very light greyish/greenish hue. It was just like turning a dial from one extreme to the other and back again. If you blinked you would of missed it. Their eyes didn't change. They stayed the same. All the time they just looked into my eyes. I kept asking again and again. Why are you here. The response was that I'm not ready to know yet. This communication was taking place with our minds. Not a word was spoken between us. It was just seconds. With that they just shrugged their shoulders at me walked off and I was filled with terror.

Terror contained in the realisation that the world was not as it is supposed to be. That a lot of what Icke spoke of was possible. Now the thing that is most important to realise. Is that if I am telling the truth. If you believe that I saw a Reptillian on these occasions. Then if there is one, then there must be more of them and what do they want? Why are they here?

Myself I go for the biological version of the sims. That we are no more than a computer simulation. We're possibly just some entertainment for beings that inhabit another dimension of reality. The more I think along these lines. The more I see it in peoples faces when out and about. That they are just vacant inside. Like a series of drones which walk around following a set of predefined rules. With our instructions for the biological version of the sims coming to us in our sleep. Come on, look at the roads and rail systems. Just look at all of the people displaying Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Who in their right mind would subject themselves to the shit that comes with commuting? Spending hours and hours every single week just sat in traffic jams and on overcrowded trains and buses. There is no logic in it. I don't know what it is but it certainly is not living.

So finally I believe that we should really be asking, why are the Reptillians here. I think it is vastly more important than, are the Reptillians real or not. Looking to the answer to why are they here. Will give us more valuable knowledge then having it confirmed that they are here among us.

Would you mind terribly if we used this post in a website we are building?
Archangel

Ian2day
27-08-2007, 02:09 AM
Would you mind terribly if we used this post in a website we are building?
Archangel

Thanks for asking. In all honesty I would rather that they were not used for the creation of some site. I have looked at the film posted in your signature and my experience of a Reptillian is nothing like that at all. I have never told anyone what I have encountered in person. As I know full well that to speak of such things in this society would mean certain measures being used against me by tptb. Such as sectioning me for years. I don't seek money or anything to be honest. I'm not trying to sell anything to anyone.

People can use their discernment and judge what I have typed. The real worry for me is that I know how mad and crazy it all sounds. Hence why I don't brag or shout about it away from the net. I think that on something this big, this gigantic. You would have to experience it for yourself to really believe that Reptillians exist. Thats why I say, if there existence is to much to comprehend. Then just examine what they want from this reality. Why would they be here at all.

In my limited experience I have given it some thought. I seem to think it is because this is a simulation of some kind. Or maybe it is really some kind of energy creation device that they are using. Reptillians are as real as anything can be said to be real. After all everything is just perception. Who ever controls your perception forming process controls you. I want to be so wrong. I am in the matrix wanting to forget all of this shit. To go back to how things were before I found out that reality was not what we are led to believe. I want the blue pill. I really do.

I wish that I could be a fucking drone. It would be easier than living my fucking life. But I just can't. As I have seen it for myself. And there is the crux of the matter. Everyone really needs to see it for themselves. Otherwise it is just a Moon landing that people claim to of done. Enough people in the collective consciousness need to of seen this in the flesh, for all of humanity to believe it to be true.

woghd
27-08-2007, 02:21 AM
I want to express to you how badly I feel about your situation. Of course we will not use your experience if that is your wish, but more importantly, it is obvious how you are suffering over your reptilian experience. I did not believe in reptilian shape-shifters two months ago, I'm not certain I believe in them even now, but now I'm through the looking glass, and already the goons have come out of the woodwork, and I feel very very badly for you. Try to hang in there.

Be well.

Archangel

bigus_dickus
27-08-2007, 12:44 PM
it is actually an ancient archetype, connected to demons and satan himself, later included in religious belief systems such as christianity, islam, etc. in the old times, it was the snakes, then the dragons, then the snakes again and right now the "reptilians". this means that belief in "reptilians", or other supernatural entities, are pretty much the same with the belief in demons and satan (or satan's demons).

in this post, i am not going to write anything at all of whether i believe or not, i will just put the whole thing in a different dimension.

belief in reptilians, is the same with belief in demons. as we know from the biblical texts, the demons are entities who deceive humans and generally cause devious and inhumane thoughts to humans. they are also said to obey to a central authority, which is an entity generally called satan (and has many many other names too, that i am not going to mention) and also their ego. they can only be at one place at a given time and they can 'possess' humans, sometimes alone, sometimes many of them, as a 'team'.
demons are said to operate under the will of God, that is to say, they can only do their nasty work with permission from God, according to the intentions and choices of the individual human and consequently the human society.

about the same is the notion of reptilians. they have every characteristic that the biblical demons are said to have, they 'possess', they control the world and individuals by deception, they are ego centered, they have no respect to spiritual, human values and human lives. the only thing that we haven't been told, is who is their central authority, their leader. for there must be a leader, otherwise, we would not be talking about reptilians, but only about one reptilian.

why reptilians?

in my opinion, because Icke and the rest of the people who use these ideas, don't believe in God, therefore they can't have demons and Satan in their theories. they say 'Satanic' beings and 'Satanists', but they don't believe in the existence of Satan, because that would have to imply the existence of God, of whose side they would have to take. but 'New Agers' are not going to tell you about God, because they don't believe in Him. they will say "universe", "infinite love", "higher self", "eternal energy", "spirit" and other things similar to God belief, but ironically they will tell you that God is a "matrix" program designed to enslave.

this is paradox.. because, how can God be a matrix program created by reptilians to enslave, while at the same time, they point out who they think are those who intend to enslave, definitely not God? God (or infinite love) and reptilians can't be in co-operation at the same time playing the same role, because that would make the whole thing futile and meaningless. so, either the "reptilians", or the demons divert the messages of God who is real and living, or God is the bad one and the "reptilians" are only trying to save us! can you see the paradox.. who would be the "reptilian's" worst enemy? certainly not another reptilian and NOT JUST ANY human!

it is also silly to dismiss the existence of demons and accept the existence of reptilians at their place. we just substitute those that we are supposed to blame for our mistakes, from supernatural 'angelic' entities, to supernatural 'alien' ones.

people will argue that they have experienced reptilians and shape shifting and possession and other weird phenomena that they don't know what to make of. but i will also argue, that even more people throughout history have experienced demons and shape shifting and other weird phenomena too, in many cases in exactly the same way. in exactly the same way, other supposedly more 'spiritual' oriented or 'sane' people, have had religious experiences, in which they have experienced religious figures, such as Jesus Christ, or angels, or beings of light and great beauty.

now, my question: how about, the spirit world (and consequently the world), being a mirror of our psyche?