Gang Stalking

[chicken]

I can tell you from first hand experience of what it feels like to be gang stalked - this is usually joined in with e-harassment. I have both. One might have a chip - don't know. It all strted afte I went to a life coach - I went to start my own business. Not to explore life.

Anyway - I think this phenomena should not be ignored - it is definently real

Please add and participate

Chicken

[zoloko]

I can tell you from first hand experience of what it feels like to be gang stalked - this is usually joined in with e-harassment. I have both. One might have a chip - don't know. It all strted afte I went to a life coach - I went to start my own business. Not to explore life.

Anyway - I think this phenomena should not be ignored - it is definently real

Please add and participate

Chicken

I LOVE YOU!

What do you mean, life coach?? Like a Spin-doctor???

Sorry, not to be critical, but it´s about time that "He who knows" - TALK!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU!

[chicken]

Do you know what gang stalking is? Very real and very nasty thing to do to someone. Look it up here. It has now arrived in UK. Major history in America under the name of Cointelpro this is version 2

Life coach - someone who coaches you to reach your goals. In this case my walls were breached. She was a fackin hypnotist and used under hand techniques and put me out for at least an hour.

See the other posts that I have made under e - harassment. Whether this involved chipping or something else not sure. The technology is pretty advanced apparently. The question I ask myself is why put someone out for a quick discussion about the weather? Perhaps not

umm - I don't think so. I am very clear of the agenda now. The longer it goes on - the clearer it gets. Its called experience

Can't decide if u taking the piss or not?

Ask away and I will talk - beware I can really talk........ or rather write!!

Chicken;)

[whitelightrabbit]

your lack of details is annoying and makes you sound kinda wacky. you need to explain yourself, and you could at least supply links if you want people to look up your old threads. don't get me wrong, i am interested in what you have to say.

peace.

[chicken]

Sorry about that. Forgot about the link thing to back up points

Attached are quite a few links - but this gives you an idea of the extent of the problem. I am aware there are a few - but some are much better than others for some info. It needs wide reading to gather others views. Believe me it has arrived in the UK

Perpetrater Links

A 1./ ABOUT PERPETRATER GROUPS
http://www.raven1.net/perpgroups.htm

A 5/ Attempts to Recruit Victims to be Perpetrators
http://www.raven1.net/tryrecruit.htm

A. 2/ ABOUT STREET THEATER
http://www.raven1.net/abtstth.htm
A. 2/ GANGSTALKING
PERPETRATER STALKING GANGS
http://www.gangstalking.ca
A. 3/ ABOUT TERRORIST STALKING IN AMERICA
1. tactics used by cause stalkers 2. personality types of the perpetrators. 3. stalker groups financial sources 4. harassment methods and goals. and lots lots more !!!!
http://www.raven1.net/terstalk.htm
A. 4/ Respones From Questionaire
Questions to perps
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/respones.htm

A. 4/ THE PERPETRATORS (who Would want this job?)
1. what is a perpetrator. 2. how may a perpetrator be identified. 3. who are the perps 4. how could anyone be forced into perpdom 5. who sould want this job? 6. why would anyone want to be a perpetrator ?
http://www.stopcovertwar.com/perps.html

A. 4/ Who Are The Perps ?
Mind Control Discussion Forum Topic
http://p205.ezboard.com/fmindcontrol...c ID=14.topic

BULLY ONLINE
SERIAL BULLY
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

Mind Control Discussion Forum / Topic Perpetrators
http://p205.ezboard.com/fmindcontrol...sionforumfrm66

THE SOCIALISED PSYCHOPATH OR SOCIOLPATH
GREAT LINK FROM MEMBER
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully....htm#sociopath
The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler
Appendix One The Programmers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/4224


A Thought For Multi-Stalker Victims
CATSTALKING
http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/copycatstalking/

COPYCAT STALKING
http://uk.geocities.com/copycatstalkers/

Citizens Against Technological and Community-bassed Harassment
http://www.c-a-t-c-h.ca

Common Traits of stalkers
http://www.esia.net/Common_Traits_of_Stalkers.htm

Copy Cat Stalkers
Target Mentality ? An Alternative Perhaps ?
http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/ga...ypnoticpsychic
attack2/

Dealing with stalkers
http://www.thesite.org/homelawandmon...ingwithstalker
s

Forms of Stalking
http://www.esia.net/Forms_of_Stalking.htm

Gang Stalking
Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gangstalking/

Gang Stalking Interview Guide 2004
http://www.raven1.net/gsivwpublic.htm

GangStalking
http://www.gangstalking.ca

GangStalking ( How to fight this )
GangStalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3553


GangStalking Sesitizations
How it Happens www.gangstalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3552

Gaslighting (book review)
How to Drive Your Enemies Crazy (gangstalking.ca)
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/gaslight.htm m_c_resurch_f_m

General Information
http://www.stopcovertwar.com/enter.html

Guide To Dealing With Police Harassment
http://www.waningmoon.com/guide/library/lib0006.shtml

Harassment Hits Close to Home For Mentally ill
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/c...full/39/6/62-a

House passes tought anti-gang legislation
http://www.sptimes.com/205/05/12/Wor...asses_new_anti
.shtml
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3575

How to know if you are a target of multiple stakers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3557

How we can fight GangStalking
http://www.gangstalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3553

Mobbing: Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace
Eleanor White Book Review
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3556


Multistalkervictims org
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/

Police Sponsored Gang-Stalking Exposed
http://www.freeshop.us/site/store.php?mem_id=1081

Preventing Harassment
http://www.readyforwork.sk.ca/fast-f...harassment.htm

Psychological Harassment Information Association
http://psychologicalharassment.netfirms.com/

SEE ARE TRACKING FOLDER ALSO
Mind control research forum folder
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...rchforum/links

STALKING SAFTY TIPS
http://www.esia.net/safety_tips.htm

Stalking
WIKIPEDIA
Stalking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stalking Definitions
http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/definiti.htm

Stalking Resource Center
http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=dash_Home

Stalking Survival tips

http://www.stalkingvictims.com/survival/survival.htm

Stalking The new epicemic of the new millenium
http://www.esia.net/

Stalking Victims
http://www.stalkingvictims.com/

State Stalking Laws
http://www.esia.net/State_Stalking_Laws.htm

THE Antistalking Web Site
http://www.antistalking.com/resource.htm

THE OFFENCE OF STALKING
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/ourlaw...s/stalking.htm

Terrorist Stlking in America
Book Review
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/bookreviews.htm

The offence of Stalking
Discussion Paper / Criminal Code
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/ourlaw...s/stalking.htm

Weird World of Group Stalking and Electronic Harassment
Collection of Links
http://www.stalkingme.zoomshare.com/2.shtml

What is stalking ?
http://www.esia.net/what_is_stalking.htm

I had never heard of it until June of this year. I know that for me it has been going on for quite a while and not really realised what it was that was happening and then bam I was hit with it and its never been the same since. When I say it with it - well it is covert and a disgusting thing to do to someone. It has meant that I cannot go out as freely as I used to. I am not agraphobic or afraid of people as such

COINTELPRO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - a new version has arrived and it is more community based. It is in the Uk. Apparently London has quite a bad problem with it. Manchester, Bradford - I suppose that covers Yorkshire.


Chicken

[whitelightrabbit]

i see what it is now. maybe something similar happens to people like icke, shayler, russo, all these high profile people who seem to 'lose it' or sell out in some way.

[chicken]

i see what it is now.

Please tell me what you see?

Chicken

[spacegurl]

I know this last post is a month old but I wanted to bump on it. Gang stalking happens in other countries. I just wanted to ask you Chicken what happened and what do you you were e-stalked first? Did people follow you online and transfer to the street? Why do you think this happened?

Last year I heard a case when a woman was being gang stalked and she made a video of it (I think it's found in one of the links you posted).

[chicken]

Hi Spacegirl

Why and when and How?

Well as with all stories of gang stalking they are set up to be unbelievable so when they are recounted back to a hearer the teller is considered to be a nutbar.

Yes - it happens in other countries. I had never heard of it until a few months ago. I was mobbed by car assaults and by foot in the local town a nd pretty much everywhere I went. I could not understand it at first because it was very odd to be surrounded by people you did not know. They also did stupid things which is described as street theatre.

Well that covers when and how

Why? - was I had online first not sure? We had loads of things go wrong with the computer to start with. I always had it on stealth mode and then it was doing odd things - slow, emails disappearing etc etc....

Then looking back we had a lot of car things go wrong - vandalised etc etc. Then I became e-harassed - so had all the usual symptoms associated with that. Then was organised stalked in a big way. It went on for weeks and weeks. It is still going on. Its a way to exterminate you - destroy your life. I have a few members of my family who believe me big time.

[artwyse11]

Written from September 27th.
I wonder why media are not talking about Gang Stalking and Electronic Monitoring. I am targeted by a kind of experiment that involves many government agencies, the white house, many other organizations connected together with some secret societies. I was one of the first to talk about cell phone used as tracking and listening devices and how easy it was to hijack any phone or computer to turn it into a spying device, by just affecting is design before it get to the manufacturer or by complicity with the manufacturer or the phone companies to install circuitries or softwares on them. I spoke about that more than four years ago. They tried to dismiss it by saying that only Bluetooth communications can be captured. Today it seems to be the new on YouTube. They were using some kind of Pavlovian stimulus on TV, on the Subway cars’ ads and carried by some stalkers that are following me 24/7. I then realized that many cable boxes in many households are used to spy on people. Anytime I am looking for a place to leave, they have to manage to set me with perps that will be use to spy on me. I was wondering how important I was to get all those people’s attention. I then realize that I was just the subject of an experiment carried by the government. I am an illegal alien. Yes they are using those that will have difficulty to face them. Why I didn't go back in my country? I quickly realize that those people for less than 1% of the money they are using to stalk me here will do it there, because they have networks around the world, secret societies connection and the pretext of fighting terrorism.
I came here in New York, two weeks after 911. Since that time I was followed but I didn't realize it at that time what was going on. Things will happen that was surprising to me, but I always thought that they were just random, then a year later or two I started to notice some bizarre things. I had constantly a helicopter above me tracking my entire move. I was bike messenger at that time. I was spitting on the floor to let them know that I was disgusted in case they were able to see me through some sort of camera. Then I guess it was too expensive for them to follow me in helicopter, they were managing to sell me electronic items that turned to be spying devices. A one time watch seller sold me a watch, and then I never saw him selling watch again. They were no more helicopters above me anymore, but people were popping in the train smiling while looking at me, seemed happy about how easy I was to be found. Using critical thinking, with a gook science background, I told myself that I might carry a device, so what was the one that I had since those trackers started to pop up on my way? I realized that it was that watch. I was in the subway, I went out at a stop, threw the watch and got back inside the subway system. Few stop later, a girl jumped in the train with a serious look on her face like she spent time looking for me. My work places have always been bugged, my coworkers and sometimes bosses manipulated against me. So you might guess that it is not easy for me to keep a steady job.
Then they seemed to decide that the easy way for them to track me was by using stalkers. Once, I was coming from my job early in the morning, an old lady was waiting for me with a group of young men. They were all white. Since that time it was another kind of stalking, more aggressive, mocking using many provoking attitudes involving some young White persons. Since that day I am stalked by all kind of folk, mostly drug addicts, homeless, from all races. all of them led by some guys behind.
One thing leading to another, that monitoring exposed me to many animosity and provocations. For example, it was a time with some friends we were saying that White women were friendlier that other women in New York, particularly Black women. That is the impression many African immigrants have when they come in the US. While a Black woman will curse at you and tell to go back in Africa when you tell her how beautiful she is, a White woman will give you her phone number. That got me a lot of animosity from some African-Americans. Even before that, just by the fact that we were showing some interest to some White women, some African-Americans will start stalking us because they think that we should never think that white people are good. And it became worse when some White girls started to be interested in me. I was working in restaurants at that time. Some Black girls or guys will seek a job their to make sure I am not getting in touch with a White girl, and they will do all they can to get me fire from there. They prefer me broke without a job than working among white girls. Funny! African-American gang stalkers and racists, while being themselves former victims of CoIntelPpro. They didn't learn anything from it. An old saxophonist would follow me in the train to tell me that would better play on the subway platform than serving White people, forgetting that most of the guys that would throw me a coin would be White guys. Worse, Oprah, Tyra Bank, Judge Mathis, Divorce and Montel William got involved. They will always display something on TV related to my life and try to degrade it. If I had a problem with my land lord, on Mathis, they will be a case were a landlord win over is tenant that is mocked by the Judge, or on Oprah they will some kind of warning about a type guy whose description at the end is not to far from me. Divorce Court was dedicated to show cases of failing relations involved a Black guy and White girl or any type of girl that would look like a girl I would be interested at that time, or show a guy with some characters close to mine or in a same situation as mine that will be bashed on TV. You can see Tyra Bank on one of her shows trying to make two women think that they were just paranoid after they complained about a cell phone hack that allowed some guys to harass them. No surprise. She had a specialist trying to tell them that it was impossible. I was laughing, because, my line as been turned off once, when I went to Verizon to see what happen, an employee took my phone inside and came back and gave to me, since that day, every word I would say would be repeated on TV. I got rid of that phone later. Some bugged computer equipment and furniture were thrown on the side walk so I can pick them up. Once I just moved in a new bed room with no furniture, I thought some nice guys knew that I needed some furniture and left some on the sidewalk for me. They did know that I needed them, but they didn't want to help me, they were seeking to spy on me. Using those devices, they knew everything that was going on my room. So it was funny for them to display mocking ads on TV, and play them on any channel I will choose, in order to let me know that they are washing me.
So I decided to test them and try to know who they are. That became journey that took me to the White House. I am a little bit outspoken but I am not an activist and never dreamed of a political career. Living in Harlem, I realized that the access to healthy food was very hard. They were only junk food everywhere and almost no store for fresh food. And on TV, some scientists were always saying that they found this or that gene that was making African-American or Black people predisposed to diabetes, obesity and so on. I said wait a minute, how could this be possible for some people that have been subject to a genetic selection through slavery. They have chosen among the strongest in Africa, the even strongest survived the trip, and then they had to survive here. I said the only things that were making them sick were three things: poverty, education and access to healthy food. And I started to make them notice that all the restaurants around Harlem didn’t use healthy oil and were using the same oil for days and days. Then, the mayor decided to adopt a new law that will ban certain oils in restaurants in New York. Let say this, if within that system some guys wasn't really against me, Mayor Bloomberg were probably one of them. He probably doesn't know about me, but know me through some of his advisers, but I doubt that. Then Katrina happened, United State was struggling to understand what happened. I was at a friend's house. I said to him while we were washing scenes of dead bodies on TV that "those people died because they were poor". Then, on all channel it was echoed. Next some Blacks wanted to make of me a sort of prophet or political activist that they should stop for messing with White people, because he would get corrupted. I was saying loud that I am not interested in that role, I was just sharing an opinion with a friend in the privacy of his house and nobody was invited to listen to it. They were tracking me everywhere, doing all they can to stop me to talk to white girl or even to keep a job in a place with a lot of White folks.
Also they were some White guys and women that weren’t that happy that some White girls were interested in me. In fact, it seems that after washing me for a while some of my observers realized that I wasn't a criminal, I was a college grad, and not an evil person and not really bad looking too, so some of my perps decided to get involved with me. That brought me a lot troubles that I will tell you later. Those people would run shows on TV trying to suggest to those girls that there were better around. That’s how, the “Bachelor” was created; To show to those White girls, the type of guy to date. And while those White girls were following me everywhere trying to date me, some White guys and women will jump around trying to stop them. They employed many techniques. They were either sending someone dressed badly or looking bad with some features that they chosen to be linked to me; like wearing the hat the way I wear it, in order to send some kind of suggestion to those girls. Or they would come with some guys more advantaged than I am around to seduce those girls away from me. They did this for years and it was even a game for certain girls. They were now using me as a bait to attract those guys. Or they will just get in the train with some male friends and fake to prefer them over me, in order to affect myself esteem. And I even got in trouble with those girls because, like many Black guys, I am attracted to women with some curves. But most of those girls are flat and skinny. So it became a challenge for them to get me involved with one of those flat girls. They might even not be interested in me, but they have to come around me and try to have me to tell them how beautiful they are, so it will echo in their Fusion Centers that they were right the “Oracle” decided that they are the most beautiful. I become a token that everyone has to make flip to their side, because it seems that I was taken really seriously and my opinion counted, while I wasn’t paid for. And a bizarre thing happens at a certain moment. Probably they were also looking at many other Africans. Maybe, some of us being under that watch made them more interested in Africans. Then, a drummer named Diomande got sick with anthrax and it was reported that it was because of his handling of drums made of materials from Africa. It came right away in my mind that the perps where behind. They had to find someone somehow famous and a example of an African married to a White woman, to infect him with that disease in order to create a fear of Africans, get people to be afraid to deal physically with them. How cold? Do those people have a soul?
Some Hillary supporters thinking that I was holding the key to the election managed to find me a roommate when I was looking for a bedroom with a bugged room so they can better listen to me and get some clues to win the election; Because Obama got many good ones. While a bunch of Republicans - Cheney among - were criticizing his lack of experience - I was washing my TV, one of those bugged computers near me - I said “all of you guys here, Cheney Rumsfeld and others have more experience than he has, but it didn’t stop you to make the biggest mistake of US history which was to invade Iraq”. Then Obama repeated it too. It was a big boost for him. I also said at many occasion the only way he has chance in that election, it is by running as an American candidate, not as an African-American candidate. That’s a piece of advice he took at the beginning then try to discard when he started to be voted massively by African-Americans. But after few losses despite those huge Black vote, when the Clintons where succeeding in portraying him as a Black candidate, he realized that it was a good piece of advice. The mathematics was very simple; you cannot win an election with only 10% of the votes. I think Black people represent around 10% of the population or maybe a little more. So, even if all of them were going to vote him – what is not possible because a lot of them have some issues with the law or will simply not going to vote – he would just get only 10% of the vote unless he get some more with other groups. Then I said, the only way he could get a lot of those other votes, mostly the White votes, was if some Black leaders support Hillary and other White candidates, and some Blacks vote for them. That would lower the sensitivity and wariness of White voters, and a lot of them would flow toward him. The idea was, how many Black votes to sacrifice in order to win more White votes and what is the amount of loss of Black voters and win of White voters that will bring the maximum of votes altogether – a kind of derivative. And the last thing was to play the card of having a White mother. That was the difficult one. How to keep his appeal among Black voters by pretending to be a White? That was where Black people had to be selfless and let him be the White he needed to be in order to win that election. It wasn’t possible to explain it to them directly, that would have shredded that card. The only trick was to mention his White side while making his Black side evident, with all these pictures with his Black grand mother and his Black wife. I was personally saying - anytime some Africans were proudly talking about the fact that he was African and better than African-Americans, mostly because some have been upset with them - that he wasn’t even a Black. I think they understood the strategy because they listen to me permanently. His backers inside that monitoring system forwarded that to him. They even implemented a better strategy by linking him to Cheney and the Bush family.
Let say that it was difficult to support Hillary because she chose a negative strategy. I tried to help her, trying to prove that she wasn’t a racist by digging an article about her involvement with the civil right movement since her college years from Wikipedia; but she and her husband didn’t stop playing the racial card. I was supporting a join ticket Obama-Clinton, so I was screaming for her to stop throwing trashes at that ticket but she was still even more negative. I also tried to get her out of that gender issue she was raising, by reminding her that she became senator by a massive support among men. I said, knowing that they were listening to me, – I was living in that room bugged by some guys that seemed to be her supporters – that I don’t understand why anytime she appears on TV, she is surrounded only by women while she became senator voted by a lot of men and that, this feminist image would make her loose. Of course no men will put in the White House someone they feel that going to be against him. She made the adjustment and she started to win again. At that time, I was thinking that the two persons to end at the top of the primary would be on the same ticket. I really didn’t know that the winner was free to pick his running mate. I didn’t really care that the ticket was going to be led by Obama or by Clinton, despite some concerns that I had about her, and mostly her supporters - just by commitment. I really gave up supporting her when she started bringing the Florida and Michigan issue. She didn’t look a fair person to me. Adding to all this, I was put in a bedroom, my privacy invaded, while I was struggling to make it to the end financially and her feminist supporters where harassing me because of some beauty standard reasons. I decided to stop supporting her. I had an image of the Clintons as folks that have passed certain issues related to ego, but this image fell apart.
In fact, it seemed that I have been chosen to be that token that would decide who should be the future president of United State. It wasn’t something I was really interested to, because of the way it was presented. I have like anybody a political opinion. Talking about what candidate we like is just like talking about the football star or musician we like, and it’s a talk that goes on in the society often. Except here, we really have to be interested in that debate since those people takes decisions that affect our life. I can easily guess that my life would have taken completely another course if Al Gore or John Kerry were president instead of George Bush. The problem here, instead of being just like anyone else with an opinion, I was spied for my opinions and even pressured to change them. Given my opinions about those political subjects, where part of those tests I was doing in order to know who the persons at the top of the monitoring I was subject to, were. I found out that, it seems to be a cell somewhere in the US, of powerful person who decide who going to be the next president of United State. And whoever those people pick, he or she is going to be the president, no matter what. Now why those powerful persons are seeking my opinion about this choice? Do they doubt about their own judgment after picking George W. Bush? I have no idea. But none only I found myself being monitored by those people, but also by some candidate who wanted to make sure that I will take a position that will win them the support of that cell. That’s where some bizarre things happened. Anytime I would say something that seems to not be in favor of Hillary, a negative ad will appear on TV. Probably she didn’t know anything about that. It was maybe just done by some zealous supporters. A man also came in a subway car I was riding, sat in front of me with a book showing Rudy Giuliani. The title was something about leadership. He was holding the book in order for me to see the front. And finally, the two democrats that seemed to be my picks ended up at the top of their primary; and also my two picks on the republican side, McCain that I was praising for his humanity and integrity and Huckabee that seems to be a nice guy and very funny also ended up at the top of their primary. Isn’t that very bizarre? Anyway; many other politicians were carrying that green sign. That was really too much for me. I was mostly concerned about how I was going to pay my rent that was just few hundreds buck and none of them, with all those millions they were spending for those campaigns and in spying me, never really care about it. Right now, I really don’t care who is going to be the next president of United State, since I don’t plan to spend the rest my life here and am not really interested in being part of this country.
So, my opinion became the one to get on everything, even on beauty standard. If happened to say this brunette is beautiful next it will be brunettes everywhere on TV, they will celebrate, the other girls will get mad, try to coerce me into changing my position by all means, even by making me loose my job. It became a situation were all those women have to use all kind of suggestive message to try to change my opinion. The White girls were the most likely to use it because they are more connected to that brain washing machine. They will run all kind of ads on TV, in the Subway with girls with flat butts, send me those kinds of girls. Because I was threatening a standard they set that was making them the most beautiful – I am talking about those flat girls. It was all about some women with power or money that now are trying to set a standard that will create an environment were they will look the most beautiful. And they have to destroy anybody that stand to this standard. After all, I am entitled to an opinion and some preferences that I have always shared in privacy with some friends. And I have always told them, that I am not here to set any standard, I just care about what I like. I remember also a group of Spanish girl not really happy about the fact that I was interested in some curvy White girls, was also harassing me. Any time I was in the train, they will jump in with some guys that they think was better looking than I am, in order to tell me they have better. There is another group, the Jewish girls. They will take the train with me, sit near me, not say anything, expect me to tell them something or they will get upset stand up and leave and then, there will some guys later stalking me. It’s an attitude all those are now adopting, because they don’t feel comfortable approaching me first; In case I might not show any interest, they will be mocked by the Fusion Center. So I have to make the first step, and they will see if they are interested. So everyday, all those pea brains - I call them - jump in the train to check on me. If they are not interested, it’s another new stalker who knows that I exist. Let stay after everything they might have been told about me, I shouldn’t be really attractive. In fact, the very people e behind this women harassment are some women in their 40’s and 50’s that are involved with the secret services or some other government agencies. They use their position to target some young resourceful men; they know that they can compete with other women if they were going fairly. So they have to try to approach the guy first. If he is not interested, they will try to make him desperate enough or break his self esteem so he can fall into their hands. They are often feminists. I have seen some women as old as 60 trying to meet me.. I have never been interested. I know a young man who finally ended up with one of them. They know perfectly the type of girl I might be interested to, but they will send around me the opposite, just to bother me. And those women will try to hold me to kind of morale they are trying to define at their advantage. They can have a boyfriend and take the train to go check on a Target Individual if he is better so the can drop the other – yes target individuals are used as sexual instruments – but you, target individual, cannot get the phone number of two different girls without having those perps walk around with dogs trying to tell you that you are one. I call them dogs too. Anyway, even if I had hundred of girl friends, I don’t think it’s the business of the government. And the funny thing, some of those girls found a good trick; they would spread the rumor that I might be sick, but behind they will come and try to meet me. If I am sick, why do you want me; be careful and move on. With the poor diet that I have often, for years now, if I were sick, I would be dead long time ago
Once I was speaking with a friend and I told that in the past, wherever I want to know, I have to think strongly about it and I will bump on it or an information about it; it might be a piece of paper on the floor, or someone saying it or any other hint. That happened to me for truth, long before I come in the US, it has nothing to see with gang stalking. So they decided that, if this was my source of inspiration they will use it to suggest me ideas. The evening when I was going home, there were in the train in all cars posters talking to me. Then, they took it to TV channels. It’s still going on today. The ad of with Geico cavemen was made to mock me. I used to look at some big posters on the subway platforms, while waiting for the train. I have often a bag with me. I complained about ads used in subway cars that were targeting me. They put it all together in one clip were you could see the caveman complaining about an ad. This caveman concept started when they were displaying ads from a patent agency, trying to suggest me that, if I had an idea I could bring it there. This ad was showing a cartoon with a caveman beating a stone that surprisingly turned into a wheel. Because they thought I had some big secrets to would make them advance. From there, they turned it into a mocking concept with Geico, saying that “it’s so easy that a cavemen can do it” in order to mock some of my failures. They were also using colors. The color that they use is the green as mention to aliens because at a certain time they were trying to suggest that I was an alien. What a crazy idea! They just needed to find a reason to track me. It seems that some people was defending me by saying that I was a good guy, so every day they I had to come up with a new case of criminal that is not to far from me in description to suggest that I might be one. Shows like NBC Primetime were showing reports on some pedophiles using in some of them those signs that would tell me that they are talking about me. Everywhere I was moving, they would go tell my neighbors that I was a pedophile. So people would hate me and sometimes mock me by putting kids on my paths. Few searches showed me that they were the ones that were pedophiles. Also Law & Order was one of the shows that were used to track all my moves. Wherever I was doing, will be a subject of a new episode. For example, as illegal immigrant I cannot get a diver license in New York. So I went to Michigan to get one. At that time, the law there allowed me to get one. When I came back a Law & Order episode was showing how the 911 terrorists used driver license and bank accounts to look legal here. They were several TV reports about this driver license issue until recently the government decide to unify the driver licenses criteria in all states despites some oppositions. In order to get this done, they have to portray me as a very smart, subtle and dangerous terrorist that is dormant and waiting the time to act. At a certain time, I started to complain to news organization, writing them, decided to counterattack by defending myself. And I found out it was shaking them. They were not as stable as they wanted to make it look. I was surprised that people that were pretending to work for the US defense were more identity-oriented than concerned with the single national identity; because they were attacking me by groups trying to promote their races and sometimes on the nationalities. When I have mentioned that those people were more concerned about their group identities than the US security in one of my letter, the next day, the CIA director resigned. I wasn’t trying to get him to loose his job; I didn’t even know who he was. I was just concerned about those stalkers. As you can guess the new director would be very concerned about me. I wrote another letter after some issues with those stalkers, I went to work at Tribecca Tavern, when I was going home in the morning, a TV station van was waiting for me at the train entrance with one guy and a girl. They were trying to interview me about a London plot just uncovered by the London police. I knew it was just a preemptive action to protect the new director of the CIA, to show that they are working hard to find terrorists. Now we need to find out if those guys that was arrested, were really terrorists.
Once I went home, turned on the TV and what I see is an ad with my birth date 9-27-1972, just to tell me that they are washing me. Since, this number has been used as stimuli to harass me. On crimes scenes on TV, the cameraman will focus on the number 27 or 9. Then it was a kind of Pavlovian approach, if I act the way they like it, they will display nice ads with those number; mostly a car ad with price list this way: $299 for 27 months, 1999 at signing. You can see the patterns, the 9 at the end of 299, the 27 and the 999 who represent each the month, the day 27-> 2+7=9 and the year 72->7+2=9. They would sometimes use 11 because my name as the numerical value 11 and 9. My name is Bahiminin Dah. So I became a kind of messiah. Some would see 999 as 666. So there was also the idea that I might be the antichrist. You could see Karl Rove using those number on his black board during the Republican primaries when Mike Huckabee were still hoping that there was a chance he could still beat McCain. The next day, he looked embarrassed when I have promptly sent a message to Fox and maybe another organization telling them that those numbers were referring to me, with some proof. This next day he didn’t hold his board. Part of this antichrist idea was due to the fact that I was interested in spirituality. I even went to check with a Masonic lodge. I guess this made things worse. But there is one thing I need to say about the use of this sign or number. Something very important to say, not all the people that was using them did it with a bad purpose. Some people aware of this manipulation game around me tried to counter their negative effects by using those, like the number 27, 9, 72 or the green color and now the red; they were trying to cheer me up. I don’t give their name here because I guess they want to stay anonymous.
I was also subject from harassment from some religious also, some Christian extremists and some Jehovah witnesses. I have been in church; I have met some very nice persons there. This people, I am talking about, are not really Christians. They were just using the label to carry their agenda. They were also part of the people that was also trying to stop me to meet some girls or build any kind of relationship. It seems that for them, sex before marriage is a crime and they had to protect me from myself. They were trying to hold me up to their standard. In fact, it has been difficult for me to keep going to Church because I am also a yogi too. They were all stating that it’s not compatible to the Christian faith to practice Yoga, I left them. I know how yoga has been good to me, and I don’t like that sense of guiltiness that they develop; I am not a sinner. The Jehovah witnesses would stand on my path with books with message on it. They had a title for any message they wanted to send to me. I saw an ad about a Christian school that was looking for students to join them. They clearly stated their agenda that was to take control of all structure of the society. It was kind of crusader that was working hand in hand with the Bush government during the heat of the war in Iraq. But they started to recant now since on the DaVinci code movie and many videos on Internet attacking the Christian faith. This was the most subtle part of this history. It’s also about a spiritual war. I have always been interested in spirituality. So as some Christian were fighting me because they were told that I was practicing witchcraft, some Satanists and witches were experimenting on me how they will make me fail and control me. Because of my ability to guess every move of my stalkers and my interest to spirituality, my stalkers started to seek advice from some psychics and witches, in order to control me. You might not be able to guess the amount of curses I might receive. Once, after I lost a job that was one the best one I ever had here in the US, a bunch of happy witches and Satanists appeared on one of Tyra Bank shows to explain how they can send a curses to anyone they are upset with. I don’t know many lonesome persons even some great master in spirituality that would face a crowd of people practicing witchcraft and win. In that type of war, numbers count. But there are times when I rely on God. There are some bizarre things that happened to me even here where just praying or saying a psalm saved my life. I will not talk about it because nobody could really understand what happened.
It was time where everything seemed to collapse around me. They were controlling my relations by trying to decide who I should meet, who should be my roommates, they were making me loose jobs or putting me in a difficult situation that was making hard for me to keep a job. They were so happy about that that George Bush went on TV at the peek of the crisis with Iran to say that US don’t need to go in war against Iran. He will use negative campaign attacking Iran’s image and manipulating its currency, just as they tested on me. They found a new weapon, virtual prison to build around someone. I promptly wrote to three political blogs, that I found on internet and explain what was going on how they came with such technique. The next day, he appeared on TV, this time without the smile that he had the time before. I never heard of this campaign against Iran anymore. It seem that at a certain time Bush realized that I was mistakenly targeted but it seems that things are out of control now.
How could democracy be possible with all this? I think Bush won those elections by using those tools to frighten and coerce many people and then was trying to use it to govern without any protest. I guess a lot of Republicans in that spying system didn’t like me because I was a big fun of Bill Clinton and Democrats; not anymore. If they can get upset because I am interested to women that don’t look like women in their life, they are far below the image I had of them. Once, I went to a rally that was held against the war in Darfur. There they were some guys filming people. I was invited by the ACLU to go at a protest at one of NBC morning show. I signed up with their news letter at the end of last years after years of harassment. This morning, some guys came and took pictures of just few guys and I was among. I have always wondered why Democrats weren’t denouncing all those practice. I found out that the reason is because they have a well organized stalking group and they were among my stalkers too. I remember one politician on TV calling Hillary an hypocrite, after they discover that some of those stalkers after me were part of her supporters; this while I was one of her big fun. I wonder if some democrats weren’t harassing me and getting me to complain about the government so they can use it to get rid of some guys. I remember that one of the peek time during that harassment was when they were trying to get rid of Alberto Gonzalez.
When I was complaining about all this some people on TV tried first to dismiss everything by saying that there were some paranoid around, referring to me. But they were intrigued by my ability to guess all their moves. They even thought that I was a spy or that I was informed by some insiders. They started to mention on TV that some agent might be giving out some government secrets. They just didn’t realize that I have developed a system of tests that I was using to uncover them. I would say something, knowing that they were listening to me and wait for the echo or feedback and analyze the source. And I am also a very intuitive. I quickly realize that they monitoring my emails – I have a mailbox on Hotmail. So I was writing mails and save them as diary or note with the intention to make them read it. They didn’t realize it for a while, until I started to point to them directly into those mails. So it became almost a conversation between them and me. I would write some thing and they send a feed back, in many ways. One of their principal choices to send me suggestion is to write and article on the Today page of Hotmail.com or to send me spasm in my mailbox. How deep is Hotmail involve in spying and monitoring people, one of you might be able to tell me. I remember when I was doing my post grade, my Networking teacher was very against all Microsoft product. He was telling us that Windows might have some security holes that were allowing the US government to spy on anybody at any level, personal or industrial. He was a big supporter of open source solutions because of that. Probably, the success of wide spread of Windows is more the fact of a strategy from the US government than a technological success. Anyway, some people at Hotmail are connected those perps and always try to write an article as a response and suggestion to any thing that happen in my life.
I am one of those guys lucky to have a balanced brain, both intuitive and rational. So I will check always my intuition with some analysis. No pretention whatsoever. I am not a stupid guy. I have a Post Grade in Computer Sciences from a very selective school and was top student. I also have a Master Degree In Mathematics with a minor in physics and I have been 2nd twice at some National Mathematics Olympiads. I have inherited form years of scientific study a critical thinking. I was lucky to study philosophy in High School for two years. I have been accepted among many organizations like Junior Chambers, the Rotaract Club – part of the Rotary Club. I even got my visa to come in United State in order to take part to the Rotary Club convention in San Antonio in June or July 2001. The event was held at the Henry Gonzalez Convention Center. So for more than twenty years of my life people had assessed me and thought that was descent enough to member of their organizations and my teachers, that I was smart enough to graduate. I have been trusted with teaching position in the biggest High School in my country, teaching Math in 11th and 12th grades. So I have no intention to be a paranoid now. These are the elements they failed to consider. They probably thought that all Africans are monkeys. They use this mocking device often against me. What I found to cool them down, I go to website were there are some pictures of George Bush as a monkey and click on some pictures there. They have a technology that allows them to monitor some computer use while he is online and know any link he clicks on. They even went on TV to say it. They read all my emails. And even use ads and articles in my Hotmail box to try to suggest me. They control Hotmail at Microsoft. For example while I was writing this article that I have started since the night of September 27th, they have posted the next day, a news about some ex-NFL players who are donating their brains as suggestion to the mention of the fact that I have a balanced brain. They are suggesting me to so. At many they were suggesting me to donate my sperm.
I have learned to respond very simply to their attacks without being violent or do something crazy as they expect me to do. Of course some of my responses raised me some enemies. They even used this effect to provoke and expect me to attack someone they are targeting. Here is the fact, I would not blame all white people because I have met a lot of good White folks but there is a group of White in the government who don’t want to see a group of Black people do anything successful that will raise their self confidence so, they will do everything to divide them. Some of the Blacks that harass me are sent by some White in order to get me to get upset about Black people in general. I already have some good reasons to be upset about Black people in general, I don’t need more reasons. It’s a very well organized scheme to keep a kind of pessimism among Black people. They use gang on street to attack you. They back a lot of drug dealers in Black neighborhood. I could give more clues about this drug deal later. So anytime they hear me praising a Black for something good they have to show the opposite picture, the negative one. Those people work tightly with the FBI. It might be a reminiscence of the famous CoIntelPro. I still remember last year, some Hispanic cops went on TV to complain about their White supremacist superiors that was using them for some dirty jobs. This technique has also been used to oppose me to some White people that I believe were supporting me. And in many places were I was leaving cops were used to harass me. Those few months I don’t see them anymore. So, anytime some people would get involved trying to help me, my perps would manage to turn them against me, bringing that way another group of stalker over. They will do everything to persuade them that I was against them, try to put me in a situation to tell something about them, record it and send to them.
Many times I faced some kind of threat. Once few years ago I was going to take the train, at 34th street and 8th Ave in Manhattan, a Black woman came to me, very shaken, trying to hand me a Metro Card. I told her that I have already an unlimited one. But she insisted to hand me one. I thank her and went in the subway. Their, I saw some white cops holding some Black guys supposed to be criminals. They were faking to brutalize them. When they saw me they all stopped and were washing me like they were expecting me to do something. I just passed them swapped my card and went in. I understood that this woman knew what was going on and was giving me that card in order to avoid me to put my hands in my pocket giving those cops a reason to accidentally shoot me like Amadou Diallo. Not so long after a guy form my country, Ousman Zongo, was shot and killed in that area by cops. He was planning to leave United State and go back in Africa. Probably, he couldn’t stand that harassment anymore. Before that, I was working at a Pizza Domino. I got in argument with my boss; he didn’t want to pay me my money. He called the cops; they came over and left because that wasn’t their business. I was right and not violent, we were just arguing maybe loudly. The next day when I came to pick up my stuff - because I quitted - there was a police military type car that was waiting for me in the front of the store with probably ten cops dressed like soldiers with some very heavy guns. They were giving a kind of looks and smiles to tell me that at a little mistake…Many times, when I was in the middle of a personal crisis - like loosing my job - they would send me a message in a kind of ad or article, most of the time in the today section of Hotmail.com, talking about suicide, thinking that I might be vulnerable at that time and that I would be suggested by the message to commit a suicide. I have red later when I started to know more about gang stalking that the ultimate end of this harassment is the death of the victim, either by assassination or suicide. They make it easy by exposing you to many people. Please tell me, how some jail bird, drug addict and high school drop out will monitor a post grade holder and tell him what to do with his life while they failed to manage their own. That what is going on right now. We are monitored by some pea brains with any empathy and judgment destroyed by some kind of drugs. I have probably survived all this provocation because I am not really a violent person and maybe because of some sympathies that I have got hidden in that system who don’t really support what is going on; Also maybe because I was known, I never hide myself except for modesty. I have nothing to hide and it was a time I used to believe in US democracy and justice.
This has been going on for seven today. Yesterday was my birthday and the anniversary of the day I came in New York. I came in New York on September 27th at around 9 o’clock. Only the government and a network of secret society can carry for so long, a very well organized and expensive stalking scheme like this one, with the capacity to expose someone to many other stalking groups. In fact, there are no limits to the number of stalking group you will find. The only issue is how much power they have. A lot of those groups start has a little movement around an identity to defend the right of their members and then they become hungry for power. And more they have they members positioned inside the government or many corporations they start to try to dictate an agenda. They also try to be even more powerful by recruiting. It might even be just a network of friends and interests and some members might even carry those tasks without realizing their extents. Some very active right now are some feminists, gays, African Americans, Jews.. Funny! You can see all the people that were described as victims of gang stalking. They become bullies themselves too and attack people with less support structures. One of the most subtle groups is the gay group. They would help you a great deal if you support gays’ right as I was. But they will turn against you if you happen to be harassed by a gay and that you complain about it and state that you are not a gay; sometimes when you just state that you are not a gay. They will even forget that you defended them at many occasions before. For them, you cannot be just a friend of gays: You are gay or homophobe; there is no other camp. So if I have to choose between those two, because they don’t give a third choice, I would choose to be homophobe; I am not a gay and have no attraction for this sexuality. It’s just like cigarette, I have nothing against smokers, I have a lot friends smokers but I don’t think smoking is good for me and I want them to respect that. It seems that gays are trying to run a coercive campaign that will make anybody that stand for his heterosexually, a homophobe. Of course the most powerful of those groups are the White supremacists. But I think that a lot of them seem not to care too much about Black people anymore, since the war in Iraq and the rise of China is shaking a lot their sense of supremacy. Unless I am a little to naïve, they might also be realizing that a lot of Black people have no hate for White people.
There are good web sites with some specialists giving good advices to victims. I just discovered those sites less than few months ago. I was describing all this to the press and no one ever mention on TV the word gang stalking. It’s randomly that I bumped on that. In fact, I never had Internet in my house until those last eight months. That gave me more time to search the Web than what I was getting at the public library. And as a lonesome guy, there were no one to tell me what I was experimenting and put a name on it. So any victims should refer to those sites for advices. But if I have one to give to anybody, it’s to not hide, be scared or ashamed of being stalked. What they would fear that their perps would not try to carry out? As you can see, in my case, writing to news organizations had some effects. I was using the nick name of Wyse. And then I decide to use my full name. Believe me, there are some guys in the police or the government that are against this disgusting system, but they can not do that much without the help of the victims themselves. Writing them give them an argument to act upon. After writing to the Cafferty Blog, Jack Cafferty went on TV to share his own history about how some FBI agents stopped him to tell him that he should stop saying certain things about Donald Rumsfeld. Surprisingly among those people monitoring you, you might get some supporters on one side and some real enemies on the other. As I said, some of them tried to help me but there were dome others to spoil everything by selfishness. In my case it seems that some guys in that monitoring system at a certain moment decided that I was a good guy, with resources that might be useful to this country and Okayed that they find a girl for me so I become legal, a real strategic war started among those women, to decided what type of girl that I should be with. They don’t even mind, ridiculing me in front of a girl that seems to be interested in me or to send a guy to seduce her, in order to get her attention off me so they can have a free way to get. For some of those it must be them or no one, they will use any extreme measure for that. And I didn’t tell while they where playing that selfish game, my father passed away two years ago on September 25th. I hadn’t seen him for five years. I was speaking with him on phone, knowing my legal situation he didn’t want to prompt me to go to his bed because he thought I was better off her in the US. So nobody ever told me that he was dying. What I didn’t tell you, while some of those guys that was monitoring me came to my work place trying to support me, some of them were celebrating my father death. In fact, there is no other help you really need, except having all those guys with their girls and other help off your life. If they really want to help, they should keep your enemies away from you and hold them accountable in court for invading your life or even denouncing the problem. What they hardly want to do. They all want to keep this stalking and monitoring game going on.
There are also some hypocrites that you must push to the edge. I wrote to Michael Moore, but he never answers me. He is the only direst person I wrote about this, I usually just throw a mail on internet to any news organization I found when I really want to send a message. I think I should start writing to public personalities now. I wonder why Moore doesn’t make any movie about it. I don’t see any more threat to the democracy than the electronic monitoring carried by the government, those gang-stalkings and those fusion centers. They are trying now to make people believe as you can see on YouTube, that it’s carried by some simple evil civilians. Do you know anybody who is not paid for these things that have the time to give up is job to track someone 24/7? Another big hypocrite is the Democratic Party. I cannot believe that they pretend to fight for Democracy and Freedom and are silent to this phenomenon and even take part of it. Most of those feminists, African-Americans and gays are democrats. That is the party that gives them an audience. So if all those millions of victims – I heard about seven millions across United State – start writing to their local news organization and politicians, it would make a great difference. Imagine seven millions people flooding those offices with mails, they will take care of the problem; at least there will be a talk. Since, I owned one of those cameras. And I am filming them. The only real power those stalkers have is the secrecy, so try to know how much you can about them and never mind pinpointing them to the news and to anybody. Carry with you a camera and film your stalkers. This idea was given to me by a journalist on TV. He was displaying one of those sign used to get my attention while showing a mini camera and explain how good idea it is to film stalkers and any criminals. Do it, you will keep a track that will be helpful in finding the guys behind them. You will be less likely to see the same stalker, once you have him on camera. And they become more vulnerable once you start gathering evidences against them. Those people are just the leaves of a tree but the tree needs those leaves in order to live. So if you destroy those leaves, the tree might not survive too long.
Here is the point, you will most likely being picked for one reason or another to be monitored and then because those government agencies that run those programs are made of people from many different backgrounds, with commitment to different organizations, you will be exposed to all this organizations. For someone who wants to be himself, you will be less likely to earn their sympathy. Something you would have never had to do if you were not exposed to them. Do you want to know what I think about drugs? I think that they are bad and I don’t need them. Do you want to know what those agents think about what I just wrote? They are very angry, because most of them are drug addict. It’s a mean from the government to have a hold on them. And trust me, soon you will not be able to tell your kids that drug is bad without being harassed. You will have to let them be what those perps, most of them decide who they should be. They already started that by making a lot of money selling drug in your neighborhood and by controlling Medias and other stuff. After all this said, I know grudge against any race. In any races I have met some good and some bad people. If this article mention races, it’s order to demonstrate how some people set up a system that is first not democratic and then they did without taking in account the fact weakness in human being, like racist consideration, selfishness and others. Will I have been trying to open to people that are different than I am, some others have been trying to tell me what I should do. It bring at the same time an open talk about those issue that would never be if we were just trying to be a little smarter.

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I can tell you from first hand experience of what it feels like to be gang stalked - this is usually joined in with e-harassment. I have both. One might have a chip - don't know. It all strted afte I went to a life coach - I went to start my own business. Not to explore life.

Anyway - I think this phenomena should not be ignored - it is definently real

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Chicken


i know this area very well indeed . i too was gang stalked but itstarted off with the local authorities in small ways .
it esculated when ( just like you ) i started my own business .
some people think our authorities are not like this , but they are ! later i will show the law that states that they can totally "hinder" your progress under law with large businesses , local bobbies , banks etc .
anyway i will start from basics .



at 1st , many people dont realise that they have been targeted .

they are not to blame as they trust the system and those in power , but thats not to say im talking about mi5 or cia or even top government officials .

it could be the local councils , tax offices , or other various departments .



likei said .
at 1st its not always obvious to the "T,I" ( Targeted Individual ) that they have been targeted .

common factors that may arrise in their life , is the "coincidence" factor .

commonly linked to electronic harrasment , IE monitoring devices or hidden cammeras , a person who has been targeted may find , that

one day they talk to a freind about a certain issue .
the next day , whilst walking into a shop , the individual could experience a complete stranger , who then brings up the subject in almost the exact same way , as was previously done by the individual behind closed doors .

this is just one small tactic .
this is done so that the "T,I" ( Targeted Individual ) is made awear that something isnt quite right .
at 1st this seems as a coincidence , but later on , these coincedenes happen time and time again , in more detail .
this is a tactic to make them appear crasy , but to the strangers around them , nothing seems out of the ordinary , thus

the individual starts to feel or could feel paranoid.

like i said , this is only one small tactic , and is played out over a long time , so that it is only obvious to the "T,I" but to no one else .

one such symptom of a life of a "T,I" being targeted by authorities is what i call the "IN OUT" tactic.

this is my own term that i have made my self due to the true lie experience of having it happen to me .

the "IN OUT" tactic happens like this .

imagine MR Smith , hes just got a pay rise .( remember ! he pays full rent and full poll tax , meaning that rent o taxes cannot go up any further )

All of the sudden , out of nowhere , comes
an urgent tax bill for the sum of £3000.
he is told to pay within 2 weeks .
he phones up the tax office and protests and insist he has all his receipts and can prove he has payed and wishes to make an appeal .
whilst on the phone he is told , that he can appeal but that takes 4 weeks .
Mr smith tells them that he was told to pay in 2 weeks other wise the bailiffs come round to take his stuff .
the tax clerk ( who probably doesn't even know him , or whats happening ) says ,
"OK MR Smith , we see your point and we will review this issue , however we recommend you still pay small sums of money , would you like to make an offer ?"
MR Smith , protests but sees that he is fighting a loosing battle , so agrees with small payment plan while the case is being reviewed .
however ???????????
this is happening in december just before Christmas .
the Christmas period has come and gone , an when the end of the january and feburary sales finish , MR Smith then finds that the tax office repays his money back with no apology .

to which now , his rent has suddenly gone up and he owes some money from some period years ago , thus imediatly placing him in debt yet he knows he doesnt own it .
they do this because they are counting on the fact that you would have lost all records from that time being so long ago .
after months of being on a bailifs list , fighting it and pushing hard , it is found that h never did oue them money . then suddenly another large bill comes in from yet a different company like ? electric that says their records show a debt from yet ? years ago again .

these tactics are played upon "T,I"s at the same time as the "coincidence" tactics are played , this can give earn extra ooomph power to the affect of breacking down MR Smith.


another sign that the "T,I" can see is an increase to services around the area and an increase of persons wishing to ave access to the home .

these can come in the forms of

gas meter readers
electric meter readers
water companies
double glazing sails
even jahovah witnesses

are just some of the "increased" traffic in personell that have an end adgender of a quick peeky boo in the "T,I"s property .

im not talking about every day life here , im talking about a sudden increase , just after premotion , or after a real issue could be debated on a forum .

a way to spot it is to remember when the last time these people came to your area .
for instance a "T,I" would know something is wrong when - for instance , another gas meter reading person comes round , despite thefact their meter was read less than 3 months previous .
or when an inspecto comes in , after the last inspection shows it was clear , yet the next guy says something like

"well i dont know mate , must have lost the paper work"

or

"well you know these office boys , cant get nothing right".

this is no joke , this happens to "T,I"s , and the "sudden increase" always happens in and around the "IN OUT" tactic coupled with the "coincidence" tactic , yet another ooomph to their sickery .


:cool:
including the "increased personell" traffic will be an increase of strangers walking past the house , sometimes looking directly at their windows , or just , so happening , to want to walk up the ally next to their house , to go a long way round , just to go the other way .
little things like this and im not talking about nowand again , its usually when the "increased personell" tactic is enforced .
these patterns of behaviour again only appear to the "T,I" during these times only .
not last year and this year , but during those times .one thing i missed out on the post above .
an increase of road traffc .
like , a car pulling up just down the road , they stay there , then go .

later on during the week , you are on your way to work and see that car in a laybye .

ths is the tagging tactic often used by "P,I"s , police observations or secret black ops .

the cars are not usually normal cars , although they can be , usually its a car that is fantasticly smart and expensive , thus again , only the "T,I" will know that they haveseen it down their road before just doing nothing .
to an outside observer , its all nothingto worry about but to the "T,I" , they know better .

[tracker]

1stly
Why are folks harassed and gang stalked ?

a few reasons . So be patient .

1) To find out if new operatives are up to the job , this means unfortunately , that a member can be picked even if they have done nothing wrong , its an experiment .

2) The individual has been targeted because a slow subliminal program of "seek and destroy" a certain other individual is being enforced . This is a subtle mind control tactic that slowly brings into affect , a slow process of subject , that link other subjects , that then links to one person .
In affect the "T,I" is slowly being mind programmed as an assassin .
Through many many years of being electronically harassed or gang stalked , the person is slowly driven to madness , however !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
these "T,I"s are usually the acclaimed "miss fits" or "drop outs" of society , that way , in the eventual outcome , a Dr's diagnosis of schizophrenia or clinical madness covers up the "T,I"s experiences as delusions and takes away the phocus from the experiences to the "T.I"s mentality instead .

3) The "T,I" is close to something very important .
I may even cover this one in more detail later , however , getting back on track, these "T,I"s may have said something important or found something of grave matters and has accidentally told a person who may have connections else where . This doesn't mean that the person they told has totally betrayed them with an intent , more over it could have been an accidental slip up , or just a comment that as made by the person they told near some one who does think its important . From there the person they told are politely and covertly through conversation asked questions as to where and when they heard the issue , this brings back the whole idea of being laid back to the "T,I" .
Thus, an unintentional process of _ being a loud mouth , gets them in trouble for a reason that was not sinister in the 1st place but turns out nasty in the long run through no fault of their own or thir freinds .

4) too much prodding big brother this speaks for it self .

5) a mind control experiment has back fired and a slow process of targeting take place to crush the individuals character integrity .

6)The individual has stuck out like a sour thumb and does not comply to the systems "hold you down" rules and is making a big change in their life . The big bros do not like this as , if one person can do it , so can the rest , so they do the slow process thing hence it can be done in and aroun a premotion.

7) The "T,I" is not liked by some one up top in position of councils , tax offices etc . ( maybe they made the tax mans daughter pregnant , lol but not funny :D)

these are just a few reasons behind why some people are harassed or gang stalked .

another erlation to being a "T,I" is very related to another thread called

rules of disinformation .


these tactics are also known as


gas lihting in the gang stalking departments,


i call it


fire starting and always have done because of the way that good practicers of gang stalking adopt the same rules as dis info artists . the traits are a common tactic through out the security

mind control

section of rules of engagement .

sorry for copying and pasting but its a real must see and definatly relates to this subject on controling
other peoples minds around individuals who are being targeted under te mind control field .

they are as followed .




http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums...pic.php?t=1222



2. Become incredulous and indignant - (How dare you question Rik's parents, etc.)

3. Create rumour mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumours and wild accusations

5. Side-track opponents with name calling and ridicule. (We've been called all sorts - vultures, vampires, nutters, etc. etc.)

6. Hit and Run - (a poster will pop up out of the blue, then disappear)ie they make a comment but then refuse to say why they made it and insinuate to others that it should be obvious why

8. Invoke authority ‘one who knows’ - (Rik's 'friends' 'I knew him in REAL LIFE'.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions i.e. (‘yes I agree there are some unanswered questions, but this has been blown out of all proportion’ type thing.)

18. Emotionalise, Antagonise, and Goad Opponents.

24. Silence critics. tell themto shut up or grow up in attempt to ridicule or under dog the aponant .

Traits of the dis-info agent

or spotting a investigator or gang stalking agent .

these traits are so common it is consistant through out the feild in all levels .



1) They never actually discuss issues head on

4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams and always decharactorise the indiviual as a lesser being .

5) Their disdain for "conspiracy theorists" or state that you are not complying to be a decent person , ie moralistic thus insinuating you are bad ..

6) An odd kind of "artificial" emotionalism and an unusually thick skin


i have slightly altered this info to show how they are very much the same .
although disinfo agents have the same traits as a gang stalker recruting agent .

also thos involved in gng stalking also have the same triats even if they are a beginner

[supertzar]

Artwyse, you expect people to read this???

[Ian2day]

This technique is being used I suspect against a large amount of people. Its a tool of the Intellectual Property crooks. Plenty of people don't realise why they have been targeted I suspect. In effect these groups force suicide or mental problems in their marks. If you stay as a good little machine for these cretins they let you life your life. As soon as you wake up, the mind fuck games begin. All end of things happen to ensure that you display outward signs of mental illness. I bet that there are plenty of people who have ended up dead or sectioned because of these bastards. It is the entertainment media in cahoots with the security services screwing with the minds of those which they have ripped off. That is it in a nutshell. Crooks hiding behind badges, pushing their victims over the edge.

[tracker]

This technique is being used I suspect against a large amount of people. Its a tool of the Intellectual Property crooks. Plenty of people don't realise why they have been targeted I suspect. In effect these groups force suicide or mental problems in their marks. If you stay as a good little machine for these cretins they let you life your life. As soon as you wake up, the mind fuck games begin. All end of things happen to ensure that you display outward signs of mental illness. I bet that there are plenty of people who have ended up dead or sectioned because of these bastards. It is the entertainment media in cahoots with the security services screwing with the minds of those which they have ripped off. That is it in a nutshell. Crooks hiding behind badges, pushing their victims over the edge.


so ture so true !
good observation . i have never hered it put that way before .

yes , theydo use the media to fck with some peoples minds .
the crux of the matter is this !


they do watch individuals !
not the masses ! and this is why !



society is being governed by laws that creat a bottle !
this bottles is the security and media / local councils etc .

now , if you imagine people inside that bottle . it is quite easy to hold all the mass/es , within the midde of the bottle shape ,where all the room is . this is the large bottom half that many of us refure to as the sheep pen . the sheeple hold / mentality . so if you wish to gab the largest and most easily obtaind part of that mass , it would be easier to go for the bottom half of the bottle shaped society to gian so much control over the masses as quickly as possible .

BUT !

it is a bottle dont forget .
some people , who refuse to stay put , move around in society quite alot , they try this , they try that , and every time its like some has an eye on them and they meet strange activity over all their life .
after a while they see a hole for escape , maybe a small business , or an invention idea , probably something that they can see , will gain them independance .
this is when gang stalking comes in play and the authorities start fcking up with peoples lives with connections in many areas.

why ?

because if that one ( yet apparently ) small individual finds a way out of the net to gain freedom for them self
























EVERY ONE WILL DO IT !

so ?
they fck about with their life , hinder their progess with smart control points , and also , in some cases , WILL make new laws , in diffrent departments , in an attempt that will stop this individul progressing .

not so much a case because they hate the individual although we must not count that out . no not at all , its just because if they find a way to freedom and security , so can every one else .

this is why they watch individuals !
and they do watch ! individuals ! some times ? all their life !
why ?

because they know that these individuals have a fantastic gnack for seeing small tunnels of light through the woods .

thats why this is very credible , and why it is not only reasonable , but more than possible that the individual gets watched , not the masses .

it has not so much to do with being hated , it because they watch these individuals to create more control points .
yes thse individuals feel targeted and many are , but the reason behind it , it to experiment for contrl points on the masses .

[Ian2day]

A lot of it is to do with the different research bodies. They get funded to see the effects of something. No one would ever volunteer for it so they either pick someone or a small area at random or they attack those they deem to be without a life worth living.

After the research, investigation or long term theft has been carried out they gaslight them. Everyone around them thinks that they are mad as it is not happening to them. Or they are even in on it as well! Of course there is always the possibility of mental illness being triggered merely by coincidence or chance.

However the volume of people who claim that they have suffered from this points to a more orchestrated attack of the individual. These sorts of things are happening all of the time and it is covered up with them mimicking the symptoms of mental illness in the mark. Of course once they set the ball rolling in the TI. The TI can and often will start to see intimidation etc where it don't exist. The need to be believed can and often does casue emense feelings of frustration and alieanation. This can ultimately lead to ptsd developing. Whereby someone trusts apsolutely no one.

Of course if you attempt to raise what is going on people will quickly say you're nuts, ill mad etc. Only if you're lucky enough to have even the slighest piece of evidence to support any aspect of what you claim will the psychological attack ease off. These attacks can be intensified via the use of physical props.

The props dont even have to be genuine. They can for example even just use a red bulb in a torch and point it at you. Or they may say things as you walk past a group. Such as "is that the cunt, good". Start following you in a sort of batton race. Ensure that your bank account is empty, even though money is going in to it. Send court summons for non payment of council tax, even though you're exempt or have paid the balance in full. Steal your car, even if the thing has been broken down for 3 months and chained to a wall! Remove objects from your home and then put them back a few days later. Cut your landline phonecable in the exchange on a line just installed a couple of days earlier. This is a great one. Switch the pin on your different bank cards. Steal cash from your home. Drug the food and drink from the local shop. Spread rumours about you. Whisper and look at you strangely when you're in their presence. Deny your card at the checkout repeatedly even though there is a balance in the account.

The most important thing is to try and stay grounded. I know it is not easy. Some things are just a coincidence. However when you are a TI everything becomes an attack as you have had to endure 50-100 such little things every day for a couple of weeks, months even and so it is hard to get others to believe you. I would find a way to collate evidence so that if you get taken away in a white coat you have something tangiable to show that supports your story.

Keep a diary but not every little scrap of paper or receipt. Believe me they know exacty what are classed as symptons of mental illness and utilise these to the fullest extent so as to discredit the TI. If you have been spiked with drugs some can last for a couple of weeks at a time. So it is important to remain grounded and try to not be in situations where you will be vulnerable to even more attack. I went through 6 months of hell last year. With all the tricks and some I have forgotten used agaisnt me. They wanted me dead. I'm totally clear about that.

[tracker]

sounds very familiar .
good advice there by the way . very good .

the collection of evidance is vital .
i have found that sticking to a routine for a while whilst observing the environment and people is vital . however , after a month it is vial to change routine completly !
this trows off many of those involved and i have found that it makes them vunerabable due to the fact that it throws them off cours and they then make blatent silly mitakes .

however , before you change that routine , learn to predict what will happen next . if you can gather enough evidance during your routines , then predict whats going on , then change that routine and be able to predict what might happen because of it , this is a fantastic evidance strengthner because in no way should anyone be able to predict what others call a coincidence as far as other people is concerned .

:cool:

[Ian2day]

I started to buy from different shops unexpectedly. I would instead of saying when at home. Right I'm off up the shops to buy xyz. Just say you are going the library just so that you don't alert them to your routine. In fact I would change the pattern and routine as often as possible. Buy different size milk containers and brands of food etc. Vary things as much as possible in your life. I know a lot of this would seem like an over reaction to an outsider. But when it is happening to you. Every coincidence seems to reinforce paranoia and make it seem even worse.

I reckon that on one level, it is a defence mechanism of the matrix. When you're close to causing the system to collapse, it starts using a virus program on you, to try and erase you from the system. For the system, needs to flow, to stay in charge and if you are causing it to become blocked, it will attempt to unblock itself. The place I lived, when this was going on. Was very depressing and I felt insecure.

However it had been chosen by them, as there was no way to put any additional security features on the doors and windows. The frames were of such a shape, that you couldn't put any window locks on them. I saw on the front door someone else before me, had possibly gone through a similar thing. As there was evidence of additional high security locks and stuff. I even installed some secret cctv to try and catch them in the act. Unfortunately my electric box was accessible from outside so they use to switch the mains off then enter and turn it back on when they left. I know that they did this as the clock was reset to 00:00 and it had failed to record.

I really do think it was the security forces involved, or people trying to imply that they were the security forces. I had hell for a long time. It all escalated in my life. At first I noticed some people seemed to be coming and going in the neighbouring flats to mine. As if they were working shifts observing me. I became a bit suspicious and woke up to my lyrics being stolen. Then when I blew the whistle on something the shit hit the fan in my life. I am still not 100% due to the psychological games they played on me. But I am much stronger mentally now.

There's a few of the stooges in the new area I live in. Every now and then they will repeat back conversations I have had in my home. An example being my saying that I needed someone to help me with all the paperwork I had piling up. I went out up the road later on that day and when I got close to someone walking towards me. They stopped suddenly stared ahead of them and shock their body and started saying paperwork paperwork all the while going brrr brrr! This is the sort of stuff going on around me on a regular occurance. I inhabit a surreal world with loads of instances of psychological attack. I've learned to ignore it the best I can.

[psych641]

has anyone noticed suspicious things appearing in their google results?

[Ian2day]

has anyone noticed suspicious things appearing in their google results?

I was having loads of porn turn up when ever I went to the picture search. It was as if they were preloading it all for me :D

I once had a dreambox for cable TV. I became extremely suspicious that things were not right. As I had moved the tv stand to a better position. Only each day when I went out. I would return to find that it had been moved slightly, and was off centre to the stand.

When I pulled the front cover, off from the machine. I saw a small square home made circuit board, with some wires leading from it behind one of the front smoked covers. I'm sure that they had been filming me. I freaked out at this point and just left my flat as I realised what they had been filming! :o When I returned later on to the flat, the circuit board had vanished from the cable box. Also my cable was constantly being disconnected outside.

I had loads of this going on. All mind fuck games. My passwords would be swapped round, and so would my pins on my cards. They tried to suicide me, to cover up what they had stolen from me, as well as what I had uncovered. They tried to imply that I had a tracking chip. That I should buy a Faraday cage and sit inside it. I still don't know, what the fuck to do, with what I know. It will make me be hated, I am sure, but sometimes you have to take the shit storm, and say fuck the consequences for yourself. Its hard to overcome though. Someone I use to know, who I believe could be one of them. Use to say things like. I have a friend in the home office, or I have a friend who is a Liberal MP. Or that they have an ex who was in the army in Hereford.

Granted it could all be a coincidence and paranoia. I know it is not though. It was not my imagination, believe me. I had a real bad time and they wanted me to kill myself. They piled on the pshchological pressure combined with drugging me and I resisted it as much as I could.

[tracker]

I started to buy from different shops unexpectedly. I would instead of saying when at home. Right I'm off up the shops to buy xyz. Just say you are going the library just so that you don't alert them to your routine. In fact I would change the pattern and routine as often as possible. Buy different size milk containers and brands of food etc. Vary things as much as possible in your life. I know a lot of this would seem like an over reaction to an outsider. But when it is happening to you. Every coincidence seems to reinforce paranoia and make it seem even worse.

I reckon that on one level, it is a defence mechanism of the matrix. When you're close to causing the system to collapse, it starts using a virus program on you, to try and erase you from the system. For the system, needs to flow, to stay in charge and if you are causing it to become blocked, it will attempt to unblock itself. The place I lived, when this was going on. Was very depressing and I felt insecure.

However it had been chosen by them, as there was no way to put any additional security features on the doors and windows. The frames were of such a shape, that you couldn't put any window locks on them. I saw on the front door someone else before me, had possibly gone through a similar thing. As there was evidence of additional high security locks and stuff. I even installed some secret cctv to try and catch them in the act. Unfortunately my electric box was accessible from outside so they use to switch the mains off then enter and turn it back on when they left. I know that they did this as the clock was reset to 00:00 and it had failed to record.

I really do think it was the security forces involved, or people trying to imply that they were the security forces. I had hell for a long time. It all escalated in my life. At first I noticed some people seemed to be coming and going in the neighbouring flats to mine. As if they were working shifts observing me. I became a bit suspicious and woke up to my lyrics being stolen. Then when I blew the whistle on something the shit hit the fan in my life. I am still not 100% due to the psychological games they played on me. But I am much stronger mentally now.

There's a few of the stooges in the new area I live in. Every now and then they will repeat back conversations I have had in my home. An example being my saying that I needed someone to help me with all the paperwork I had piling up. I went out up the road later on that day and when I got close to someone walking towards me. They stopped suddenly stared ahead of them and shock their body and started saying paperwork paperwork all the while going brrr brrr! This is the sort of stuff going on around me on a regular occurance. I inhabit a surreal world with loads of instances of psychological attack. I've learned to ignore it the best I can.


this is tpical of gang stalking , and i like your destination diversion too , sayingyour going some where and going somewhere else .

thats what i used to do too . this is well freaky .:eek:

but guess what ?

atleast i know im not the only one .;)

well done on that stratergy too , its a best good way also to throw them off .


well done !:cool:

[nirvana]

I had some one follow me from Birmingham one time .This is when I was all ways getting locked up for anti-capitalist demo's in london and around Europe.As soon as I came out of the movement had no cars spying outside or followed etc.

Peace:)

What gives these tactics its power is when people take it serious.The best thing to do is don't care about them .

[tracker]

I had some one follow me from Birmingham one time .This is when I was all ways getting locked up for anti-capitalist demo's in london and around Europe.As soon as I came out of the movement had no cars spying outside or followed etc.

Peace:)

What gives these tactics its power is when people take it serious.The best thing to do is don't care about them .

bump:cool:

[tracker]

bump:cool:

bumped twice

[deathcultreject]

I can tell you from first hand experience of what it feels like to be gang stalked - this is usually joined in with e-harassment. I have both. One might have a chip - don't know. It all strted afte I went to a life coach - I went to start my own business. Not to explore life.

Anyway - I think this phenomena should not be ignored - it is definently real

Please add and participate

Chicken

Chicken, are you still around? I'm worried about you.

[tracker]

I can tell you from first hand experience of what it feels like to be gang stalked - this is usually joined in with e-harassment. I have both. One might have a chip - don't know. It all strted afte I went to a life coach - I went to start my own business. Not to explore life.

Anyway - I think this phenomena should not be ignored - it is definently real

Please add and participate

Chicken

please add and participate ?

what after the amount of inaction from you on this issue ?

why dont you go into detail 1st about your experiences before you expect others too , also , why havent you told folks what gang stalking is , how it happens etc ?

seems to me youve seen a subject somewhere and couldnt be bothered to do the work , so you started a subject of which , from what i see , you havent really experienced .

why dont you add and paticipate in your own thread 1st ?:cool:

[deathcultreject]

please add and participate ?

what after the amount of inaction from you on this issue ?

why dont you go into detail 1st about your experiences before you expect others too , also , why havent you told folks what gang stalking is , how it happens etc ?

seems to me youve seen a subject somewhere and couldnt be bothered to do the work , so you started a subject of which , from what i see , you havent really experienced .

why dont you add and paticipate in your own thread 1st ?:cool:

You can read about gang stalking here;

http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-71029.html

Also chicken contributed a lot of her experiences to this thread here;

http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-57940.html

The black vault has a number of inteligent mind control / gang stalking survivers posting on it, and a lot of information that you can't find anywhere else.

And tracker . . . don't harass the targets.

[chicken]

Chicken signing in!

Well - as DCR says I spent some time on the black vault forum for a bit. Then I decided to enter closed membership forums where I met the likes of Eleanor White and Julianne Mckinney. You can "google" both of them and you will find they are veterans of the gang stalking phenomena.

I decided to take some "time out" from the forums and posting as the stalking was getting really silly. But because it was silly I got some great evidence which cannot be put down to paranoia or delusional thinking. These guys are making some mistakes. Or are they making sure others get it so they can stalk the believers too.

To the point that it was so obvious that even family members saw it and began to ask why white vans followed me "everywhere" arriving and leaving when I did. I even visited someone and the van drivers sat in their van for three hours, my niece watched the van and no - one got out or in. So this was fully witnessed by six people. Because they want to psychologically damage me - in terms of amount and type of stalking it has now got to such a level that I can photograph it without any difficulty.

As for your statement that I am not a genuine victim, well that is your problem and assumptions are made on your part since I don't vomit all that has happened to me to make it sound more believeable.

dcr - yep, still here, just do not need to be in everyones face since I am lurking more rather than participating, partially due to the fact even though its shite, I still have a life to lead, even if not a full one.

Do not worry about me - I will just end up being a statistic somewhere. Like all targets you either end up in mental health, police and mental health custody and of course the all round concept of being shafted from all angles takes place. Some reasonably inocuous to the serious.

I have the all round situation at the moment with my phone being cut off, the car breaks down, the heating engineer decides that a 20 minute flame test on an Aga takes four weeks to organise, so we have no heat or cooking facilities, my sewing machine breaks down (my work!), things go missing, my mother has a morphine overdose (is this natural?), whilst in NHS care......this is only some of what I have had in the last few weeks........


Or its all just a coincidence?


regards

Chicken

[bealert]

I can tell you from first hand experience of what it feels like to be gang stalked - this is usually joined in with e-harassment. I have both. One might have a chip - don't know. It all strted afte I went to a life coach - I went to start my own business. Not to explore life.

Anyway - I think this phenomena should not be ignored - it is definently real

Please add and participate

Chicken
chicken can you tell us about being gang stalked in more detail especally about your electronic Haressment in detail please if you can.

[chicken]

no! you tell us about you first. :D

Not with your rating - and with the name "bealert" sounds rather fishy to head for such a low level thread don't you think?

:D

regards

C

[bealert]

ist perps will try to befriend you to get in to your trust. then they will will try to get you to give out as much information as possible on your experinces especcally those with Electronic torture thats because its not proveable and will be a big hand in any future court cases or doctor reports in trying to get you in to a mental hospital. Ask her to give out this information in detail and i bet she will refuse. just try it i bet you get a hostile reaction or a negative responce.
As a life long victim one thing i can say is dont annalise what happens to you just try to accept that it as happend and try to sort it out without accusing people they will most certainly have belivable reason as to why it as happend and will try to make you look paranoid. This is there goal Paranoir once this as been established they will set you up with stalkers and make you look like a paronoid schitsaphrenic. They will make you paranoid by using triggers this could be anything from a car horn to slamming of aneighbours door then they will do something maybe a loud bang from a neighbours house, after a period of about a month of this they will replica it on the street making sure stalkers are all around you to give the police any information against you if you should react. then if you do react and attack somebody you will be put in to a mental hospital and they will throw away the key. this is why they want you to read up on it the more you know what they can do the more likely you will be to respond. DONT REACT!

[bealert]

no! you tell us about you first. :D

Not with your rating - and with the name "bealert" sounds rather fishy to head for such a low level thread don't you think?

:D

regards

C
Hello Amanda
so you are asking others to write there full details but you wont do it yourself cant say i blame you i wouldnt either But why are you asking them to do it if you wont. Being new to these boards i just wanderd if you could give us all your gory details first as a
example of your dedication to our cause. the only way to beat this system is not to mention things you cant prove, don't react and get as much proof as possible. If you cant prove electronic haresment (whch in my opinion you cant)why are you asking and encouraging people to talk about it. is it not best to encourage them to get a camara/video and try to get things they can prove. Ignorence is bliss so why give out all these different links on your previous posts knowledge only causes paranoir and that is what they want, so is it your just not experinced or do you have other motives.

[1337]

i get chased by rich white guys in suits , suv's , cars , usually white adult males. air planes , i remember the first van i would see every day leaving my house. and know where the guy works. diferent van's and trucks parked outside my house. wake up to yelling and screaming at night. people tapping on my window .everytime i move, they dig up my yard a couple weeks after i move in, or they dig up the road by my house and leave a big hole for a couple weeks. i think they hurt my cat a couple times, it doesnt bother me anymore,and no I'm not very important, actually im a dirt bag ex glue sniffer. so why they bother with me, i dont know, eff em.

[starstuff]

Hello Amanda

The whole subject of paranoid schizophrenia/gang stalking being the same thing is an interesting one, but the above really stood out to me. How the hell do you know she's called Amanda? Did I miss something???

[mr_pixie]

Sorry about that. Forgot about the link thing to back up points

Attached are quite a few links - but this gives you an idea of the extent of the problem. I am aware there are a few - but some are much better than others for some info. It needs wide reading to gather others views. Believe me it has arrived in the UK

Perpetrater Links

A 1./ ABOUT PERPETRATER GROUPS
http://www.raven1.net/perpgroups.htm

A 5/ Attempts to Recruit Victims to be Perpetrators
http://www.raven1.net/tryrecruit.htm

A. 2/ ABOUT STREET THEATER
http://www.raven1.net/abtstth.htm
A. 2/ GANGSTALKING
PERPETRATER STALKING GANGS
http://www.gangstalking.ca
A. 3/ ABOUT TERRORIST STALKING IN AMERICA
1. tactics used by cause stalkers 2. personality types of the perpetrators. 3. stalker groups financial sources 4. harassment methods and goals. and lots lots more !!!!
http://www.raven1.net/terstalk.htm
A. 4/ Respones From Questionaire
Questions to perps
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/respones.htm

A. 4/ THE PERPETRATORS (who Would want this job?)
1. what is a perpetrator. 2. how may a perpetrator be identified. 3. who are the perps 4. how could anyone be forced into perpdom 5. who sould want this job? 6. why would anyone want to be a perpetrator ?
http://www.stopcovertwar.com/perps.html

A. 4/ Who Are The Perps ?
Mind Control Discussion Forum Topic
http://p205.ezboard.com/fmindcontrol...c ID=14.topic

BULLY ONLINE
SERIAL BULLY
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

Mind Control Discussion Forum / Topic Perpetrators
http://p205.ezboard.com/fmindcontrol...sionforumfrm66

THE SOCIALISED PSYCHOPATH OR SOCIOLPATH
GREAT LINK FROM MEMBER
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully....htm#sociopath
The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler
Appendix One The Programmers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/4224


A Thought For Multi-Stalker Victims
CATSTALKING
http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/copycatstalking/

COPYCAT STALKING
http://uk.geocities.com/copycatstalkers/

Citizens Against Technological and Community-bassed Harassment
http://www.c-a-t-c-h.ca

Common Traits of stalkers
http://www.esia.net/Common_Traits_of_Stalkers.htm

Copy Cat Stalkers
Target Mentality ? An Alternative Perhaps ?
http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/ga...ypnoticpsychic
attack2/

Dealing with stalkers
http://www.thesite.org/homelawandmon...ingwithstalker
s

Forms of Stalking
http://www.esia.net/Forms_of_Stalking.htm

Gang Stalking
Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gangstalking/

Gang Stalking Interview Guide 2004
http://www.raven1.net/gsivwpublic.htm

GangStalking
http://www.gangstalking.ca

GangStalking ( How to fight this )
GangStalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3553


GangStalking Sesitizations
How it Happens www.gangstalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3552

Gaslighting (book review)
How to Drive Your Enemies Crazy (gangstalking.ca)
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/gaslight.htm m_c_resurch_f_m

General Information
http://www.stopcovertwar.com/enter.html

Guide To Dealing With Police Harassment
http://www.waningmoon.com/guide/library/lib0006.shtml

Harassment Hits Close to Home For Mentally ill
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/c...full/39/6/62-a

House passes tought anti-gang legislation
http://www.sptimes.com/205/05/12/Wor...asses_new_anti
.shtml
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3575

How to know if you are a target of multiple stakers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3557

How we can fight GangStalking
http://www.gangstalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3553

Mobbing: Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace
Eleanor White Book Review
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3556


Multistalkervictims org
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/

Police Sponsored Gang-Stalking Exposed
http://www.freeshop.us/site/store.php?mem_id=1081

Preventing Harassment
http://www.readyforwork.sk.ca/fast-f...harassment.htm

Psychological Harassment Information Association
http://psychologicalharassment.netfirms.com/

SEE ARE TRACKING FOLDER ALSO
Mind control research forum folder
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...rchforum/links

STALKING SAFTY TIPS
http://www.esia.net/safety_tips.htm

Stalking
WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Stalking Definitions
http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/definiti.htm

Stalking Resource Center
http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=dash_Home

Stalking Survival tips

http://www.stalkingvictims.com/survival/survival.htm

Stalking The new epicemic of the new millenium
http://www.esia.net/

Stalking Victims
http://www.stalkingvictims.com/

State Stalking Laws
http://www.esia.net/State_Stalking_Laws.htm

THE Antistalking Web Site
http://www.antistalking.com/resource.htm

THE OFFENCE OF STALKING
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/ourlaw...s/stalking.htm

Terrorist Stlking in America
Book Review
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/bookreviews.htm

The offence of Stalking
Discussion Paper / Criminal Code
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/ourlaw...s/stalking.htm

Weird World of Group Stalking and Electronic Harassment
Collection of Links
http://www.stalkingme.zoomshare.com/2.shtml

What is stalking ?
http://www.esia.net/what_is_stalking.htm

I had never heard of it until June of this year. I know that for me it has been going on for quite a while and not really realised what it was that was happening and then bam I was hit with it and its never been the same since. When I say it with it - well it is covert and a disgusting thing to do to someone. It has meant that I cannot go out as freely as I used to. I am not agraphobic or afraid of people as such



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO - a new version has arrived and it is more community based. It is in the Uk. Apparently London has quite a bad problem with it. Manchester, Bradford - I suppose that covers Yorkshire.


Chicken

Thats interesting I havent had the chance to read it all but I might given the chance.

Thanks.

[bealert]

I have seen her on mad not bad website and was interested in her posts i then did a search for chicken and found other letters she as sent using her appaerent real name.

[belial]

This thread has a positve energy effect with me.

Everytime I go to Morrisons, I think that the sausage roll section has hidden cameras watching me. I get the negative energy vibe of "don't salad dodge".

Everytime I'm 'e-stalked' I just say "piss off... and get a life". It brings me positive energy. Groovy, man.

I'm almost convinced that there is a microchip emplanted under my toilet seat... but I don't care.

FFS... get a grip the lot of you!!! :mad:

[bealert]

im really pleased for you.

[1337]

i woulda thought this is all crap and be like, what makes you so important to get stalked. untill it happened to me, and even the first time i got cornered on foot, i got a telepathic message from the guy, " you actually think your important enough to get chased" its all head fuck. they are head fucked we are head fucked. only thing though I have things to do. They obviously dont.

have fun bitches.

[unusual_suspect]

I'm almost convinced that there is a microchip emplanted under my toilet seat... but I don't care.


Didn't you know that all toilet seats are chipped now, there are new UN regulations for stool colour and consistency, those that don't comply will be the first to be sent to the FEMA camps!

[bealert]

Sorry about that. Forgot about the link thing to back up points

Attached are quite a few links - but this gives you an idea of the extent of the problem. I am aware there are a few - but some are much better than others for some info. It needs wide reading to gather others views. Believe me it has arrived in the UK

Perpetrater Links

A 1./ ABOUT PERPETRATER GROUPS
http://www.raven1.net/perpgroups.htm

A 5/ Attempts to Recruit Victims to be Perpetrators
http://www.raven1.net/tryrecruit.htm

A. 2/ ABOUT STREET THEATER
http://www.raven1.net/abtstth.htm
A. 2/ GANGSTALKING
PERPETRATER STALKING GANGS
http://www.gangstalking.ca
A. 3/ ABOUT TERRORIST STALKING IN AMERICA
1. tactics used by cause stalkers 2. personality types of the perpetrators. 3. stalker groups financial sources 4. harassment methods and goals. and lots lots more !!!!
http://www.raven1.net/terstalk.htm
A. 4/ Respones From Questionaire
Questions to perps
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/respones.htm

A. 4/ THE PERPETRATORS (who Would want this job?)
1. what is a perpetrator. 2. how may a perpetrator be identified. 3. who are the perps 4. how could anyone be forced into perpdom 5. who sould want this job? 6. why would anyone want to be a perpetrator ?
http://www.stopcovertwar.com/perps.html

A. 4/ Who Are The Perps ?
Mind Control Discussion Forum Topic
http://p205.ezboard.com/fmindcontrol...c ID=14.topic

BULLY ONLINE
SERIAL BULLY
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

Mind Control Discussion Forum / Topic Perpetrators
http://p205.ezboard.com/fmindcontrol...sionforumfrm66

THE SOCIALISED PSYCHOPATH OR SOCIOLPATH
GREAT LINK FROM MEMBER
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully....htm#sociopath
The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler
Appendix One The Programmers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/4224


A Thought For Multi-Stalker Victims
CATSTALKING
http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/copycatstalking/

COPYCAT STALKING
http://uk.geocities.com/copycatstalkers/

Citizens Against Technological and Community-bassed Harassment
http://www.c-a-t-c-h.ca

Common Traits of stalkers
http://www.esia.net/Common_Traits_of_Stalkers.htm

Copy Cat Stalkers
Target Mentality ? An Alternative Perhaps ?
http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/ga...ypnoticpsychic
attack2/

Dealing with stalkers
http://www.thesite.org/homelawandmon...ingwithstalker
s

Forms of Stalking
http://www.esia.net/Forms_of_Stalking.htm

Gang Stalking
Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gangstalking/

Gang Stalking Interview Guide 2004
http://www.raven1.net/gsivwpublic.htm

GangStalking
http://www.gangstalking.ca

GangStalking ( How to fight this )
GangStalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3553


GangStalking Sesitizations
How it Happens www.gangstalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3552

Gaslighting (book review)
How to Drive Your Enemies Crazy (gangstalking.ca)
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/gaslight.htm m_c_resurch_f_m

General Information
http://www.stopcovertwar.com/enter.html

Guide To Dealing With Police Harassment
http://www.waningmoon.com/guide/library/lib0006.shtml

Harassment Hits Close to Home For Mentally ill
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/c...full/39/6/62-a

House passes tought anti-gang legislation
http://www.sptimes.com/205/05/12/Wor...asses_new_anti
.shtml
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3575

How to know if you are a target of multiple stakers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3557

How we can fight GangStalking
http://www.gangstalking.ca/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3553

Mobbing: Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace
Eleanor White Book Review
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...m/message/3556


Multistalkervictims org
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/

Police Sponsored Gang-Stalking Exposed
http://www.freeshop.us/site/store.php?mem_id=1081

Preventing Harassment
http://www.readyforwork.sk.ca/fast-f...harassment.htm

Psychological Harassment Information Association
http://psychologicalharassment.netfirms.com/

SEE ARE TRACKING FOLDER ALSO
Mind control research forum folder
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindco...rchforum/links

STALKING SAFTY TIPS
http://www.esia.net/safety_tips.htm

Stalking
WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Stalking Definitions
http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/definiti.htm

Stalking Resource Center
http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=dash_Home

Stalking Survival tips

http://www.stalkingvictims.com/survival/survival.htm

Stalking The new epicemic of the new millenium
http://www.esia.net/

Stalking Victims
http://www.stalkingvictims.com/

State Stalking Laws
http://www.esia.net/State_Stalking_Laws.htm

THE Antistalking Web Site
http://www.antistalking.com/resource.htm

THE OFFENCE OF STALKING
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/ourlaw...s/stalking.htm

Terrorist Stlking in America
Book Review
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/bookreviews.htm

The offence of Stalking
Discussion Paper / Criminal Code
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/ourlaw...s/stalking.htm

Weird World of Group Stalking and Electronic Harassment
Collection of Links
http://www.stalkingme.zoomshare.com/2.shtml

What is stalking ?
http://www.esia.net/what_is_stalking.htm

I had never heard of it until June of this year. I know that for me it has been going on for quite a while and not really realised what it was that was happening and then bam I was hit with it and its never been the same since. When I say it with it - well it is covert and a disgusting thing to do to someone. It has meant that I cannot go out as freely as I used to. I am not agraphobic or afraid of people as such

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO - a new version has arrived and it is more community based. It is in the Uk. Apparently London has quite a bad problem with it. Manchester, Bradford - I suppose that covers Yorkshire.


Chicken
The only way to beat it..is it ignore it... since it relies on the target to respond in a way which will be seen as mentally ill ....The promotion of links as above provided by chicken only promotes fear...so if you are a TI don't respond its your only defence

[Ian2day]

I've not gone to any of the links. But from the so called exit books that prolifirate for MK-Ultra. I can hazard a guess that they will be full of triggers adn more nlp to program those trying to escape ot all. So far the best I have seen to deprogram from it all is Alan Wat in Canada. His audio is enough to bring you down to normality if you are wound up from reading something or experiencing triggering behaviour in others. Also having something like a warm bath followed by a hot chocolate can aid the relaxation from the heightended state of awareness that can be evident in a TI. Shut off the radio, tv, movies, books ands magazines and just allow yourself to unwind. Relax the muscles in the shoulders and exhale deeply and let out a long sigh.

[stopthemadness]

Written from September 27th.
I wonder why media are not talking about Gang Stalking and Electronic Monitoring. I am targeted by a kind of experiment that involves many government agencies, the white house, many other organizations connected together with some secret societies. I was one of the first to talk about cell phone used as tracking and listening devices and how easy it was to hijack any phone or computer to turn it into a spying device, by just affecting is design before it get to the manufacturer or by complicity with the manufacturer or the phone companies to install circuitries or softwares on them. I spoke about that more than four years ago. They tried to dismiss it by saying that only Bluetooth communications can be captured. Today it seems to be the new on YouTube. They were using some kind of Pavlovian stimulus on TV, on the Subway cars’ ads and carried by some stalkers that are following me 24/7. I then realized that many cable boxes in many households are used to spy on people. Anytime I am looking for a place to leave, they have to manage to set me with perps that will be use to spy on me. I was wondering how important I was to get all those people’s attention. I then realize that I was just the subject of an experiment carried by the government. I am an illegal alien. Yes they are using those that will have difficulty to face them. Why I didn't go back in my country? I quickly realize that those people for less than 1% of the money they are using to stalk me here will do it there, because they have networks around the world, secret societies connection and the pretext of fighting terrorism.
I came here in New York, two weeks after 911. Since that time I was followed but I didn't realize it at that time what was going on. Things will happen that was surprising to me, but I always thought that they were just random, then a year later or two I started to notice some bizarre things. I had constantly a helicopter above me tracking my entire move. I was bike messenger at that time. I was spitting on the floor to let them know that I was disgusted in case they were able to see me through some sort of camera. Then I guess it was too expensive for them to follow me in helicopter, they were managing to sell me electronic items that turned to be spying devices. A one time watch seller sold me a watch, and then I never saw him selling watch again. They were no more helicopters above me anymore, but people were popping in the train smiling while looking at me, seemed happy about how easy I was to be found. Using critical thinking, with a gook science background, I told myself that I might carry a device, so what was the one that I had since those trackers started to pop up on my way? I realized that it was that watch. I was in the subway, I went out at a stop, threw the watch and got back inside the subway system. Few stop later, a girl jumped in the train with a serious look on her face like she spent time looking for me. My work places have always been bugged, my coworkers and sometimes bosses manipulated against me. So you might guess that it is not easy for me to keep a steady job.
Then they seemed to decide that the easy way for them to track me was by using stalkers. Once, I was coming from my job early in the morning, an old lady was waiting for me with a group of young men. They were all white. Since that time it was another kind of stalking, more aggressive, mocking using many provoking attitudes involving some young White persons. Since that day I am stalked by all kind of folk, mostly drug addicts, homeless, from all races. all of them led by some guys behind.
One thing leading to another, that monitoring exposed me to many animosity and provocations. For example, it was a time with some friends we were saying that White women were friendlier that other women in New York, particularly Black women. That is the impression many African immigrants have when they come in the US. While a Black woman will curse at you and tell to go back in Africa when you tell her how beautiful she is, a White woman will give you her phone number. That got me a lot of animosity from some African-Americans. Even before that, just by the fact that we were showing some interest to some White women, some African-Americans will start stalking us because they think that we should never think that white people are good. And it became worse when some White girls started to be interested in me. I was working in restaurants at that time. Some Black girls or guys will seek a job their to make sure I am not getting in touch with a White girl, and they will do all they can to get me fire from there. They prefer me broke without a job than working among white girls. Funny! African-American gang stalkers and racists, while being themselves former victims of CoIntelPpro. They didn't learn anything from it. An old saxophonist would follow me in the train to tell me that would better play on the subway platform than serving White people, forgetting that most of the guys that would throw me a coin would be White guys. Worse, Oprah, Tyra Bank, Judge Mathis, Divorce and Montel William got involved. They will always display something on TV related to my life and try to degrade it. If I had a problem with my land lord, on Mathis, they will be a case were a landlord win over is tenant that is mocked by the Judge, or on Oprah they will some kind of warning about a type guy whose description at the end is not to far from me. Divorce Court was dedicated to show cases of failing relations involved a Black guy and White girl or any type of girl that would look like a girl I would be interested at that time, or show a guy with some characters close to mine or in a same situation as mine that will be bashed on TV. You can see Tyra Bank on one of her shows trying to make two women think that they were just paranoid after they complained about a cell phone hack that allowed some guys to harass them. No surprise. She had a specialist trying to tell them that it was impossible. I was laughing, because, my line as been turned off once, when I went to Verizon to see what happen, an employee took my phone inside and came back and gave to me, since that day, every word I would say would be repeated on TV. I got rid of that phone later. Some bugged computer equipment and furniture were thrown on the side walk so I can pick them up. Once I just moved in a new bed room with no furniture, I thought some nice guys knew that I needed some furniture and left some on the sidewalk for me. They did know that I needed them, but they didn't want to help me, they were seeking to spy on me. Using those devices, they knew everything that was going on my room. So it was funny for them to display mocking ads on TV, and play them on any channel I will choose, in order to let me know that they are washing me.
So I decided to test them and try to know who they are. That became journey that took me to the White House. I am a little bit outspoken but I am not an activist and never dreamed of a political career. Living in Harlem, I realized that the access to healthy food was very hard. They were only junk food everywhere and almost no store for fresh food. And on TV, some scientists were always saying that they found this or that gene that was making African-American or Black people predisposed to diabetes, obesity and so on. I said wait a minute, how could this be possible for some people that have been subject to a genetic selection through slavery. They have chosen among the strongest in Africa, the even strongest survived the trip, and then they had to survive here. I said the only things that were making them sick were three things: poverty, education and access to healthy food. And I started to make them notice that all the restaurants around Harlem didn’t use healthy oil and were using the same oil for days and days. Then, the mayor decided to adopt a new law that will ban certain oils in restaurants in New York. Let say this, if within that system some guys wasn't really against me, Mayor Bloomberg were probably one of them. He probably doesn't know about me, but know me through some of his advisers, but I doubt that. Then Katrina happened, United State was struggling to understand what happened. I was at a friend's house. I said to him while we were washing scenes of dead bodies on TV that "those people died because they were poor". Then, on all channel it was echoed. Next some Blacks wanted to make of me a sort of prophet or political activist that they should stop for messing with White people, because he would get corrupted. I was saying loud that I am not interested in that role, I was just sharing an opinion with a friend in the privacy of his house and nobody was invited to listen to it. They were tracking me everywhere, doing all they can to stop me to talk to white girl or even to keep a job in a place with a lot of White folks.
Also they were some White guys and women that weren’t that happy that some White girls were interested in me. In fact, it seems that after washing me for a while some of my observers realized that I wasn't a criminal, I was a college grad, and not an evil person and not really bad looking too, so some of my perps decided to get involved with me. That brought me a lot troubles that I will tell you later. Those people would run shows on TV trying to suggest to those girls that there were better around. That’s how, the “Bachelor” was created; To show to those White girls, the type of guy to date. And while those White girls were following me everywhere trying to date me, some White guys and women will jump around trying to stop them. They employed many techniques. They were either sending someone dressed badly or looking bad with some features that they chosen to be linked to me; like wearing the hat the way I wear it, in order to send some kind of suggestion to those girls. Or they would come with some guys more advantaged than I am around to seduce those girls away from me. They did this for years and it was even a game for certain girls. They were now using me as a bait to attract those guys. Or they will just get in the train with some male friends and fake to prefer them over me, in order to affect myself esteem. And I even got in trouble with those girls because, like many Black guys, I am attracted to women with some curves. But most of those girls are flat and skinny. So it became a challenge for them to get me involved with one of those flat girls. They might even not be interested in me, but they have to come around me and try to have me to tell them how beautiful they are, so it will echo in their Fusion Centers that they were right the “Oracle” decided that they are the most beautiful. I become a token that everyone has to make flip to their side, because it seems that I was taken really seriously and my opinion counted, while I wasn’t paid for. And a bizarre thing happens at a certain moment. Probably they were also looking at many other Africans. Maybe, some of us being under that watch made them more interested in Africans. Then, a drummer named Diomande got sick with anthrax and it was reported that it was because of his handling of drums made of materials from Africa. It came right away in my mind that the perps where behind. They had to find someone somehow famous and a example of an African married to a White woman, to infect him with that disease in order to create a fear of Africans, get people to be afraid to deal physically with them. How cold? Do those people have a soul?
Some Hillary supporters thinking that I was holding the key to the election managed to find me a roommate when I was looking for a bedroom with a bugged room so they can better listen to me and get some clues to win the election; Because Obama got many good ones. While a bunch of Republicans - Cheney among - were criticizing his lack of experience - I was washing my TV, one of those bugged computers near me - I said “all of you guys here, Cheney Rumsfeld and others have more experience than he has, but it didn’t stop you to make the biggest mistake of US history which was to invade Iraq”. Then Obama repeated it too. It was a big boost for him. I also said at many occasion the only way he has chance in that election, it is by running as an American candidate, not as an African-American candidate. That’s a piece of advice he took at the beginning then try to discard when he started to be voted massively by African-Americans. But after few losses despite those huge Black vote, when the Clintons where succeeding in portraying him as a Black candidate, he realized that it was a good piece of advice. The mathematics was very simple; you cannot win an election with only 10% of the votes. I think Black people represent around 10% of the population or maybe a little more. So, even if all of them were going to vote him – what is not possible because a lot of them have some issues with the law or will simply not going to vote – he would just get only 10% of the vote unless he get some more with other groups. Then I said, the only way he could get a lot of those other votes, mostly the White votes, was if some Black leaders support Hillary and other White candidates, and some Blacks vote for them. That would lower the sensitivity and wariness of White voters, and a lot of them would flow toward him. The idea was, how many Black votes to sacrifice in order to win more White votes and what is the amount of loss of Black voters and win of White voters that will bring the maximum of votes altogether – a kind of derivative. And the last thing was to play the card of having a White mother. That was the difficult one. How to keep his appeal among Black voters by pretending to be a White? That was where Black people had to be selfless and let him be the White he needed to be in order to win that election. It wasn’t possible to explain it to them directly, that would have shredded that card. The only trick was to mention his White side while making his Black side evident, with all these pictures with his Black grand mother and his Black wife. I was personally saying - anytime some Africans were proudly talking about the fact that he was African and better than African-Americans, mostly because some have been upset with them - that he wasn’t even a Black. I think they understood the strategy because they listen to me permanently. His backers inside that monitoring system forwarded that to him. They even implemented a better strategy by linking him to Cheney and the Bush family.
Let say that it was difficult to support Hillary because she chose a negative strategy. I tried to help her, trying to prove that she wasn’t a racist by digging an article about her involvement with the civil right movement since her college years from Wikipedia; but she and her husband didn’t stop playing the racial card. I was supporting a join ticket Obama-Clinton, so I was screaming for her to stop throwing trashes at that ticket but she was still even more negative. I also tried to get her out of that gender issue she was raising, by reminding her that she became senator by a massive support among men. I said, knowing that they were listening to me, – I was living in that room bugged by some guys that seemed to be her supporters – that I don’t understand why anytime she appears on TV, she is surrounded only by women while she became senator voted by a lot of men and that, this feminist image would make her loose. Of course no men will put in the White House someone they feel that going to be against him. She made the adjustment and she started to win again. At that time, I was thinking that the two persons to end at the top of the primary would be on the same ticket. I really didn’t know that the winner was free to pick his running mate. I didn’t really care that the ticket was going to be led by Obama or by Clinton, despite some concerns that I had about her, and mostly her supporters - just by commitment. I really gave up supporting her when she started bringing the Florida and Michigan issue. She didn’t look a fair person to me. Adding to all this, I was put in a bedroom, my privacy invaded, while I was struggling to make it to the end financially and her feminist supporters where harassing me because of some beauty standard reasons. I decided to stop supporting her. I had an image of the Clintons as folks that have passed certain issues related to ego, but this image fell apart.
In fact, it seemed that I have been chosen to be that token that would decide who should be the future president of United State. It wasn’t something I was really interested to, because of the way it was presented. I have like anybody a political opinion. Talking about what candidate we like is just like talking about the football star or musician we like, and it’s a talk that goes on in the society often. Except here, we really have to be interested in that debate since those people takes decisions that affect our life. I can easily guess that my life would have taken completely another course if Al Gore or John Kerry were president instead of George Bush. The problem here, instead of being just like anyone else with an opinion, I was spied for my opinions and even pressured to change them. Given my opinions about those political subjects, where part of those tests I was doing in order to know who the persons at the top of the monitoring I was subject to, were. I found out that, it seems to be a cell somewhere in the US, of powerful person who decide who going to be the next president of United State. And whoever those people pick, he or she is going to be the president, no matter what. Now why those powerful persons are seeking my opinion about this choice? Do they doubt about their own judgment after picking George W. Bush? I have no idea. But none only I found myself being monitored by those people, but also by some candidate who wanted to make sure that I will take a position that will win them the support of that cell. That’s where some bizarre things happened. Anytime I would say something that seems to not be in favor of Hillary, a negative ad will appear on TV. Probably she didn’t know anything about that. It was maybe just done by some zealous supporters. A man also came in a subway car I was riding, sat in front of me with a book showing Rudy Giuliani. The title was something about leadership. He was holding the book in order for me to see the front. And finally, the two democrats that seemed to be my picks ended up at the top of their primary; and also my two picks on the republican side, McCain that I was praising for his humanity and integrity and Huckabee that seems to be a nice guy and very funny also ended up at the top of their primary. Isn’t that very bizarre? Anyway; many other politicians were carrying that green sign. That was really too much for me. I was mostly concerned about how I was going to pay my rent that was just few hundreds buck and none of them, with all those millions they were spending for those campaigns and in spying me, never really care about it. Right now, I really don’t care who is going to be the next president of United State, since I don’t plan to spend the rest my life here and am not really interested in being part of this country.
So, my opinion became the one to get on everything, even on beauty standard. If happened to say this brunette is beautiful next it will be brunettes everywhere on TV, they will celebrate, the other girls will get mad, try to coerce me into changing my position by all means, even by making me loose my job. It became a situation were all those women have to use all kind of suggestive message to try to change my opinion. The White girls were the most likely to use it because they are more connected to that brain washing machine. They will run all kind of ads on TV, in the Subway with girls with flat butts, send me those kinds of girls. Because I was threatening a standard they set that was making them the most beautiful – I am talking about those flat girls. It was all about some women with power or money that now are trying to set a standard that will create an environment were they will look the most beautiful. And they have to destroy anybody that stand to this standard. After all, I am entitled to an opinion and some preferences that I have always shared in privacy with some friends. And I have always told them, that I am not here to set any standard, I just care about what I like. I remember also a group of Spanish girl not really happy about the fact that I was interested in some curvy White girls, was also harassing me. Any time I was in the train, they will jump in with some guys that they think was better looking than I am, in order to tell me they have better. There is another group, the Jewish girls. They will take the train with me, sit near me, not say anything, expect me to tell them something or they will get upset stand up and leave and then, there will some guys later stalking me. It’s an attitude all those are now adopting, because they don’t feel comfortable approaching me first; In case I might not show any interest, they will be mocked by the Fusion Center. So I have to make the first step, and they will see if they are interested. So everyday, all those pea brains - I call them - jump in the train to check on me. If they are not interested, it’s another new stalker who knows that I exist. Let stay after everything they might have been told about me, I shouldn’t be really attractive. In fact, the very people e behind this women harassment are some women in their 40’s and 50’s that are involved with the secret services or some other government agencies. They use their position to target some young resourceful men; they know that they can compete with other women if they were going fairly. So they have to try to approach the guy first. If he is not interested, they will try to make him desperate enough or break his self esteem so he can fall into their hands. They are often feminists. I have seen some women as old as 60 trying to meet me.. I have never been interested. I know a young man who finally ended up with one of them. They know perfectly the type of girl I might be interested to, but they will send around me the opposite, just to bother me. And those women will try to hold me to kind of morale they are trying to define at their advantage. They can have a boyfriend and take the train to go check on a Target Individual if he is better so the can drop the other – yes target individuals are used as sexual instruments – but you, target individual, cannot get the phone number of two different girls without having those perps walk around with dogs trying to tell you that you are one. I call them dogs too. Anyway, even if I had hundred of girl friends, I don’t think it’s the business of the government. And the funny thing, some of those girls found a good trick; they would spread the rumor that I might be sick, but behind they will come and try to meet me. If I am sick, why do you want me; be careful and move on. With the poor diet that I have often, for years now, if I were sick, I would be dead long time ago
Once I was speaking with a friend and I told that in the past, wherever I want to know, I have to think strongly about it and I will bump on it or an information about it; it might be a piece of paper on the floor, or someone saying it or any other hint. That happened to me for truth, long before I come in the US, it has nothing to see with gang stalking. So they decided that, if this was my source of inspiration they will use it to suggest me ideas. The evening when I was going home, there were in the train in all cars posters talking to me. Then, they took it to TV channels. It’s still going on today. The ad of with Geico cavemen was made to mock me. I used to look at some big posters on the subway platforms, while waiting for the train. I have often a bag with me. I complained about ads used in subway cars that were targeting me. They put it all together in one clip were you could see the caveman complaining about an ad. This caveman concept started when they were displaying ads from a patent agency, trying to suggest me that, if I had an idea I could bring it there. This ad was showing a cartoon with a caveman beating a stone that surprisingly turned into a wheel. Because they thought I had some big secrets to would make them advance. From there, they turned it into a mocking concept with Geico, saying that “it’s so easy that a cavemen can do it” in order to mock some of my failures. They were also using colors. The color that they use is the green as mention to aliens because at a certain time they were trying to suggest that I was an alien. What a crazy idea! They just needed to find a reason to track me. It seems that some people was defending me by saying that I was a good guy, so every day they I had to come up with a new case of criminal that is not to far from me in description to suggest that I might be one. Shows like NBC Primetime were showing reports on some pedophiles using in some of them those signs that would tell me that they are talking about me. Everywhere I was moving, they would go tell my neighbors that I was a pedophile. So people would hate me and sometimes mock me by putting kids on my paths. Few searches showed me that they were the ones that were pedophiles. Also Law & Order was one of the shows that were used to track all my moves. Wherever I was doing, will be a subject of a new episode. For example, as illegal immigrant I cannot get a diver license in New York. So I went to Michigan to get one. At that time, the law there allowed me to get one. When I came back a Law & Order episode was showing how the 911 terrorists used driver license and bank accounts to look legal here. They were several TV reports about this driver license issue until recently the government decide to unify the driver licenses criteria in all states despites some oppositions. In order to get this done, they have to portray me as a very smart, subtle and dangerous terrorist that is dormant and waiting the time to act. At a certain time, I started to complain to news organization, writing them, decided to counterattack by defending myself. And I found out it was shaking them. They were not as stable as they wanted to make it look. I was surprised that people that were pretending to work for the US defense were more identity-oriented than concerned with the single national identity; because they were attacking me by groups trying to promote their races and sometimes on the nationalities. When I have mentioned that those people were more concerned about their group identities than the US security in one of my letter, the next day, the CIA director resigned. I wasn’t trying to get him to loose his job; I didn’t even know who he was. I was just concerned about those stalkers. As you can guess the new director would be very concerned about me. I wrote another letter after some issues with those stalkers, I went to work at Tribecca Tavern, when I was going home in the morning, a TV station van was waiting for me at the train entrance with one guy and a girl. They were trying to interview me about a London plot just uncovered by the London police. I knew it was just a preemptive action to protect the new director of the CIA, to show that they are working hard to find terrorists. Now we need to find out if those guys that was arrested, were really terrorists.
Once I went home, turned on the TV and what I see is an ad with my birth date 9-27-1972, just to tell me that they are washing me. Since, this number has been used as stimuli to harass me. On crimes scenes on TV, the cameraman will focus on the number 27 or 9. Then it was a kind of Pavlovian approach, if I act the way they like it, they will display nice ads with those number; mostly a car ad with price list this way: $299 for 27 months, 1999 at signing. You can see the patterns, the 9 at the end of 299, the 27 and the 999 who represent each the month, the day 27-> 2+7=9 and the year 72->7+2=9. They would sometimes use 11 because my name as the numerical value 11 and 9. My name is Bahiminin Dah. So I became a kind of messiah. Some would see 999 as 666. So there was also the idea that I might be the antichrist. You could see Karl Rove using those number on his black board during the Republican primaries when Mike Huckabee were still hoping that there was a chance he could still beat McCain. The next day, he looked embarrassed when I have promptly sent a message to Fox and maybe another organization telling them that those numbers were referring to me, with some proof. This next day he didn’t hold his board. Part of this antichrist idea was due to the fact that I was interested in spirituality. I even went to check with a Masonic lodge. I guess this made things worse. But there is one thing I need to say about the use of this sign or number. Something very important to say, not all the people that was using them did it with a bad purpose. Some people aware of this manipulation game around me tried to counter their negative effects by using those, like the number 27, 9, 72 or the green color and now the red; they were trying to cheer me up. I don’t give their name here because I guess they want to stay anonymous.
I was also subject from harassment from some religious also, some Christian extremists and some Jehovah witnesses. I have been in church; I have met some very nice persons there. This people, I am talking about, are not really Christians. They were just using the label to carry their agenda. They were also part of the people that was also trying to stop me to meet some girls or build any kind of relationship. It seems that for them, sex before marriage is a crime and they had to protect me from myself. They were trying to hold me up to their standard. In fact, it has been difficult for me to keep going to Church because I am also a yogi too. They were all stating that it’s not compatible to the Christian faith to practice Yoga, I left them. I know how yoga has been good to me, and I don’t like that sense of guiltiness that they develop; I am not a sinner. The Jehovah witnesses would stand on my path with books with message on it. They had a title for any message they wanted to send to me. I saw an ad about a Christian school that was looking for students to join them. They clearly stated their agenda that was to take control of all structure of the society. It was kind of crusader that was working hand in hand with the Bush government during the heat of the war in Iraq. But they started to recant now since on the DaVinci code movie and many videos on Internet attacking the Christian faith. This was the most subtle part of this history. It’s also about a spiritual war. I have always been interested in spirituality. So as some Christian were fighting me because they were told that I was practicing witchcraft, some Satanists and witches were experimenting on me how they will make me fail and control me. Because of my ability to guess every move of my stalkers and my interest to spirituality, my stalkers started to seek advice from some psychics and witches, in order to control me. You might not be able to guess the amount of curses I might receive. Once, after I lost a job that was one the best one I ever had here in the US, a bunch of happy witches and Satanists appeared on one of Tyra Bank shows to explain how they can send a curses to anyone they are upset with. I don’t know many lonesome persons even some great master in spirituality that would face a crowd of people practicing witchcraft and win. In that type of war, numbers count. But there are times when I rely on God. There are some bizarre things that happened to me even here where just praying or saying a psalm saved my life. I will not talk about it because nobody could really understand what happened.
It was time where everything seemed to collapse around me. They were controlling my relations by trying to decide who I should meet, who should be my roommates, they were making me loose jobs or putting me in a difficult situation that was making hard for me to keep a job. They were so happy about that that George Bush went on TV at the peek of the crisis with Iran to say that US don’t need to go in war against Iran. He will use negative campaign attacking Iran’s image and manipulating its currency, just as they tested on me. They found a new weapon, virtual prison to build around someone. I promptly wrote to three political blogs, that I found on internet and explain what was going on how they came with such technique. The next day, he appeared on TV, this time without the smile that he had the time before. I never heard of this campaign against Iran anymore. It seem that at a certain time Bush realized that I was mistakenly targeted but it seems that things are out of control now.
How could democracy be possible with all this? I think Bush won those elections by using those tools to frighten and coerce many people and then was trying to use it to govern without any protest. I guess a lot of Republicans in that spying system didn’t like me because I was a big fun of Bill Clinton and Democrats; not anymore. If they can get upset because I am interested to women that don’t look like women in their life, they are far below the image I had of them. Once, I went to a rally that was held against the war in Darfur. There they were some guys filming people. I was invited by the ACLU to go at a protest at one of NBC morning show. I signed up with their news letter at the end of last years after years of harassment. This morning, some guys came and took pictures of just few guys and I was among. I have always wondered why Democrats weren’t denouncing all those practice. I found out that the reason is because they have a well organized stalking group and they were among my stalkers too. I remember one politician on TV calling Hillary an hypocrite, after they discover that some of those stalkers after me were part of her supporters; this while I was one of her big fun. I wonder if some democrats weren’t harassing me and getting me to complain about the government so they can use it to get rid of some guys. I remember that one of the peek time during that harassment was when they were trying to get rid of Alberto Gonzalez.
When I was complaining about all this some people on TV tried first to dismiss everything by saying that there were some paranoid around, referring to me. But they were intrigued by my ability to guess all their moves. They even thought that I was a spy or that I was informed by some insiders. They started to mention on TV that some agent might be giving out some government secrets. They just didn’t realize that I have developed a system of tests that I was using to uncover them. I would say something, knowing that they were listening to me and wait for the echo or feedback and analyze the source. And I am also a very intuitive. I quickly realize that they monitoring my emails – I have a mailbox on Hotmail. So I was writing mails and save them as diary or note with the intention to make them read it. They didn’t realize it for a while, until I started to point to them directly into those mails. So it became almost a conversation between them and me. I would write some thing and they send a feed back, in many ways. One of their principal choices to send me suggestion is to write and article on the Today page of Hotmail.com or to send me spasm in my mailbox. How deep is Hotmail involve in spying and monitoring people, one of you might be able to tell me. I remember when I was doing my post grade, my Networking teacher was very against all Microsoft product. He was telling us that Windows might have some security holes that were allowing the US government to spy on anybody at any level, personal or industrial. He was a big supporter of open source solutions because of that. Probably, the success of wide spread of Windows is more the fact of a strategy from the US government than a technological success. Anyway, some people at Hotmail are connected those perps and always try to write an article as a response and suggestion to any thing that happen in my life.
I am one of those guys lucky to have a balanced brain, both intuitive and rational. So I will check always my intuition with some analysis. No pretention whatsoever. I am not a stupid guy. I have a Post Grade in Computer Sciences from a very selective school and was top student. I also have a Master Degree In Mathematics with a minor in physics and I have been 2nd twice at some National Mathematics Olympiads. I have inherited form years of scientific study a critical thinking. I was lucky to study philosophy in High School for two years. I have been accepted among many organizations like Junior Chambers, the Rotaract Club – part of the Rotary Club. I even got my visa to come in United State in order to take part to the Rotary Club convention in San Antonio in June or July 2001. The event was held at the Henry Gonzalez Convention Center. So for more than twenty years of my life people had assessed me and thought that was descent enough to member of their organizations and my teachers, that I was smart enough to graduate. I have been trusted with teaching position in the biggest High School in my country, teaching Math in 11th and 12th grades. So I have no intention to be a paranoid now. These are the elements they failed to consider. They probably thought that all Africans are monkeys. They use this mocking device often against me. What I found to cool them down, I go to website were there are some pictures of George Bush as a monkey and click on some pictures there. They have a technology that allows them to monitor some computer use while he is online and know any link he clicks on. They even went on TV to say it. They read all my emails. And even use ads and articles in my Hotmail box to try to suggest me. They control Hotmail at Microsoft. For example while I was writing this article that I have started since the night of September 27th, they have posted the next day, a news about some ex-NFL players who are donating their brains as suggestion to the mention of the fact that I have a balanced brain. They are suggesting me to so. At many they were suggesting me to donate my sperm.
I have learned to respond very simply to their attacks without being violent or do something crazy as they expect me to do. Of course some of my responses raised me some enemies. They even used this effect to provoke and expect me to attack someone they are targeting. Here is the fact, I would not blame all white people because I have met a lot of good White folks but there is a group of White in the government who don’t want to see a group of Black people do anything successful that will raise their self confidence so, they will do everything to divide them. Some of the Blacks that harass me are sent by some White in order to get me to get upset about Black people in general. I already have some good reasons to be upset about Black people in general, I don’t need more reasons. It’s a very well organized scheme to keep a kind of pessimism among Black people. They use gang on street to attack you. They back a lot of drug dealers in Black neighborhood. I could give more clues about this drug deal later. So anytime they hear me praising a Black for something good they have to show the opposite picture, the negative one. Those people work tightly with the FBI. It might be a reminiscence of the famous CoIntelPro. I still remember last year, some Hispanic cops went on TV to complain about their White supremacist superiors that was using them for some dirty jobs. This technique has also been used to oppose me to some White people that I believe were supporting me. And in many places were I was leaving cops were used to harass me. Those few months I don’t see them anymore. So, anytime some people would get involved trying to help me, my perps would manage to turn them against me, bringing that way another group of stalker over. They will do everything to persuade them that I was against them, try to put me in a situation to tell something about them, record it and send to them.
Many times I faced some kind of threat. Once few years ago I was going to take the train, at 34th street and 8th Ave in Manhattan, a Black woman came to me, very shaken, trying to hand me a Metro Card. I told her that I have already an unlimited one. But she insisted to hand me one. I thank her and went in the subway. Their, I saw some white cops holding some Black guys supposed to be criminals. They were faking to brutalize them. When they saw me they all stopped and were washing me like they were expecting me to do something. I just passed them swapped my card and went in. I understood that this woman knew what was going on and was giving me that card in order to avoid me to put my hands in my pocket giving those cops a reason to accidentally shoot me like Amadou Diallo. Not so long after a guy form my country, Ousman Zongo, was shot and killed in that area by cops. He was planning to leave United State and go back in Africa. Probably, he couldn’t stand that harassment anymore. Before that, I was working at a Pizza Domino. I got in argument with my boss; he didn’t want to pay me my money. He called the cops; they came over and left because that wasn’t their business. I was right and not violent, we were just arguing maybe loudly. The next day when I came to pick up my stuff - because I quitted - there was a police military type car that was waiting for me in the front of the store with probably ten cops dressed like soldiers with some very heavy guns. They were giving a kind of looks and smiles to tell me that at a little mistake…Many times, when I was in the middle of a personal crisis - like loosing my job - they would send me a message in a kind of ad or article, most of the time in the today section of Hotmail.com, talking about suicide, thinking that I might be vulnerable at that time and that I would be suggested by the message to commit a suicide. I have red later when I started to know more about gang stalking that the ultimate end of this harassment is the death of the victim, either by assassination or suicide. They make it easy by exposing you to many people. Please tell me, how some jail bird, drug addict and high school drop out will monitor a post grade holder and tell him what to do with his life while they failed to manage their own. That what is going on right now. We are monitored by some pea brains with any empathy and judgment destroyed by some kind of drugs. I have probably survived all this provocation because I am not really a violent person and maybe because of some sympathies that I have got hidden in that system who don’t really support what is going on; Also maybe because I was known, I never hide myself except for modesty. I have nothing to hide and it was a time I used to believe in US democracy and justice.
This has been going on for seven today. Yesterday was my birthday and the anniversary of the day I came in New York. I came in New York on September 27th at around 9 o’clock. Only the government and a network of secret society can carry for so long, a very well organized and expensive stalking scheme like this one, with the capacity to expose someone to many other stalking groups. In fact, there are no limits to the number of stalking group you will find. The only issue is how much power they have. A lot of those groups start has a little movement around an identity to defend the right of their members and then they become hungry for power. And more they have they members positioned inside the government or many corporations they start to try to dictate an agenda. They also try to be even more powerful by recruiting. It might even be just a network of friends and interests and some members might even carry those tasks without realizing their extents. Some very active right now are some feminists, gays, African Americans, Jews.. Funny! You can see all the people that were described as victims of gang stalking. They become bullies themselves too and attack people with less support structures. One of the most subtle groups is the gay group. They would help you a great deal if you support gays’ right as I was. But they will turn against you if you happen to be harassed by a gay and that you complain about it and state that you are not a gay; sometimes when you just state that you are not a gay. They will even forget that you defended them at many occasions before. For them, you cannot be just a friend of gays: You are gay or homophobe; there is no other camp. So if I have to choose between those two, because they don’t give a third choice, I would choose to be homophobe; I am not a gay and have no attraction for this sexuality. It’s just like cigarette, I have nothing against smokers, I have a lot friends smokers but I don’t think smoking is good for me and I want them to respect that. It seems that gays are trying to run a coercive campaign that will make anybody that stand for his heterosexually, a homophobe. Of course the most powerful of those groups are the White supremacists. But I think that a lot of them seem not to care too much about Black people anymore, since the war in Iraq and the rise of China is shaking a lot their sense of supremacy. Unless I am a little to naïve, they might also be realizing that a lot of Black people have no hate for White people.
There are good web sites with some specialists giving good advices to victims. I just discovered those sites less than few months ago. I was describing all this to the press and no one ever mention on TV the word gang stalking. It’s randomly that I bumped on that. In fact, I never had Internet in my house until those last eight months. That gave me more time to search the Web than what I was getting at the public library. And as a lonesome guy, there were no one to tell me what I was experimenting and put a name on it. So any victims should refer to those sites for advices. But if I have one to give to anybody, it’s to not hide, be scared or ashamed of being stalked. What they would fear that their perps would not try to carry out? As you can see, in my case, writing to news organizations had some effects. I was using the nick name of Wyse. And then I decide to use my full name. Believe me, there are some guys in the police or the government that are against this disgusting system, but they can not do that much without the help of the victims themselves. Writing them give them an argument to act upon. After writing to the Cafferty Blog, Jack Cafferty went on TV to share his own history about how some FBI agents stopped him to tell him that he should stop saying certain things about Donald Rumsfeld. Surprisingly among those people monitoring you, you might get some supporters on one side and some real enemies on the other. As I said, some of them tried to help me but there were dome others to spoil everything by selfishness. In my case it seems that some guys in that monitoring system at a certain moment decided that I was a good guy, with resources that might be useful to this country and Okayed that they find a girl for me so I become legal, a real strategic war started among those women, to decided what type of girl that I should be with. They don’t even mind, ridiculing me in front of a girl that seems to be interested in me or to send a guy to seduce her, in order to get her attention off me so they can have a free way to get. For some of those it must be them or no one, they will use any extreme measure for that. And I didn’t tell while they where playing that selfish game, my father passed away two years ago on September 25th. I hadn’t seen him for five years. I was speaking with him on phone, knowing my legal situation he didn’t want to prompt me to go to his bed because he thought I was better off her in the US. So nobody ever told me that he was dying. What I didn’t tell you, while some of those guys that was monitoring me came to my work place trying to support me, some of them were celebrating my father death. In fact, there is no other help you really need, except having all those guys with their girls and other help off your life. If they really want to help, they should keep your enemies away from you and hold them accountable in court for invading your life or even denouncing the problem. What they hardly want to do. They all want to keep this stalking and monitoring game going on.
There are also some hypocrites that you must push to the edge. I wrote to Michael Moore, but he never answers me. He is the only direst person I wrote about this, I usually just throw a mail on internet to any news organization I found when I really want to send a message. I think I should start writing to public personalities now. I wonder why Moore doesn’t make any movie about it. I don’t see any more threat to the democracy than the electronic monitoring carried by the government, those gang-stalkings and those fusion centers. They are trying now to make people believe as you can see on YouTube, that it’s carried by some simple evil civilians. Do you know anybody who is not paid for these things that have the time to give up is job to track someone 24/7? Another big hypocrite is the Democratic Party. I cannot believe that they pretend to fight for Democracy and Freedom and are silent to this phenomenon and even take part of it. Most of those feminists, African-Americans and gays are democrats. That is the party that gives them an audience. So if all those millions of victims – I heard about seven millions across United State – start writing to their local news organization and politicians, it would make a great difference. Imagine seven millions people flooding those offices with mails, they will take care of the problem; at least there will be a talk. Since, I owned one of those cameras. And I am filming them. The only real power those stalkers have is the secrecy, so try to know how much you can about them and never mind pinpointing them to the news and to anybody. Carry with you a camera and film your stalkers. This idea was given to me by a journalist on TV. He was displaying one of those sign used to get my attention while showing a mini camera and explain how good idea it is to film stalkers and any criminals. Do it, you will keep a track that will be helpful in finding the guys behind them. You will be less likely to see the same stalker, once you have him on camera. And they become more vulnerable once you start gathering evidences against them. Those people are just the leaves of a tree but the tree needs those leaves in order to live. So if you destroy those leaves, the tree might not survive too long.
Here is the point, you will most likely being picked for one reason or another to be monitored and then because those government agencies that run those programs are made of people from many different backgrounds, with commitment to different organizations, you will be exposed to all this organizations. For someone who wants to be himself, you will be less likely to earn their sympathy. Something you would have never had to do if you were not exposed to them. Do you want to know what I think about drugs? I think that they are bad and I don’t need them. Do you want to know what those agents think about what I just wrote? They are very angry, because most of them are drug addict. It’s a mean from the government to have a hold on them. And trust me, soon you will not be able to tell your kids that drug is bad without being harassed. You will have to let them be what those perps, most of them decide who they should be. They already started that by making a lot of money selling drug in your neighborhood and by controlling Medias and other stuff. After all this said, I know grudge against any race. In any races I have met some good and some bad people. If this article mention races, it’s order to demonstrate how some people set up a system that is first not democratic and then they did without taking in account the fact weakness in human being, like racist consideration, selfishness and others. Will I have been trying to open to people that are different than I am, some others have been trying to tell me what I should do. It bring at the same time an open talk about those issue that would never be if we were just trying to be a little smarter.

Jesus man! Go to night school. Take an english class. And please start using paragraphs.

But YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. Group stalkings are real. They are coordinated to harass you. Usually they employ deadbeats and various scumbags that don't want to get real jobs. You know ... drug dealers, losers, lazy pimp wanna-be types. They (those who wish to harass you ... Masons, Zionists, whoever) pay them to follow you.

It's coordinated via cell phones. They often drive several cars in a caravan with their running lights on (to identify each other). That way if you get wise to them they'll have the lead car pass you. But rest assured there are three or four more cars still following. They also often use bumper stickers or special issue license plates to identify each other. Often times they will have multiple antennas on the car ... Ham radio etc.

I have CAUGHT group stalkers photographing me on several occasions. I ran for Congress on an anti-Zionist platform which raised some eyebrows. But they were stalking me even before that.

My next door neighbor hasn't worked since 911. He's Jewish and probably a Sayanim (a traitorous citizen with allegiance to Israel above his host country). He's monitored my daily routine since 911. When I leave he opens his garage door. When I come back he's waiting in a dark garage and closes his garage door. When I'm in the back yard he sends his kid up a tree to spy, or he pretends to be pulling weeds on the bank to peek into my yard, etc. The other day my wife caught him following her in a very circuitous path. She told me she made several left/right/left type turns through the neighborhood and he was still on her tail.

The other day I was welding in the back yard. Another neighbor climbed up on his roof pretending to work on his air conditioner ALL DAY. That's not necessarily unusual. However, he did the same thing about a year ago. And he did it before that maybe three years ago. Each time he did it I was doing something in the back yard. The houses are close to each other. I could distinctly overhear his conversations about my activities. It had nothing to do with fixing the AC.

The Jewish guy and his fat Jewish wife seem to have ample money for new cars every few years. They never work (only in their 30's, not retired), often host parties, and seem to live pretty good for a decade-long-unemployed couple. They ALWAYS have different cars pulling up at all hours of the day and night. I'm 90% confident he receives a big, fat Jew check every month from Israel to keep tabs on me.

And I'm also about 100% sure he's broken into my house numerous times while I'm at work. How do I know? It's stuff like the computer monitor being on when I return from work, when I distinctly remember turning it off right before leaving that morning (before I was married, nobody else was in the house to do that). Personal papers will be missing when I distinctly remember placing them in a particular location. Magically, these papers will reappear in said location a few days later. Who brought them back? Pixies? No. Definitely the Jew Sayanim neighbor. The list could go on and on. I could write all night about hard, physical evidence. How about insulation from the attic being tracked all over the house coupled with a popped-out attic vent on the side of the house?

The trouble is, unless you catch them red-handed you can't do squat. Who has the resources for 24/7/365 security guards? I have cameras and a security system now which seems to have helped. But obviously in the past the guy broke in, put keylogging software on my computer to steal my passwords and monitor my online activity. While he was at it he rifled through my personal papers, etc. Did I mention having a back door with both a handle lock and a deadbolt? They would both be locked when I went to work. But when I came back, magically only the bottom lock was locked. The deadbolt was open. Why? Because he gained entrance through a window or through the attic. When he exited via the back door he was able to lock the handle and pull. But of course you can't do that to the upper deadbolt. So, my handle+deadbolt locks when I went to work suddenly transformed to handle lock only? By whom? Pixies? Nope, my Jew Sayanim neighbor.

The group stalking gangs will often use a "spotter" at the end of the street. These can be in parked cars, on bicycles, or on foot. After a while you get pretty good at spotting the "spotters." They'll usually do something stupid to tip you off . Example: They'll pretend to be walking a dog. But when they see you they immediately pick up the dog, turn away, and start speed dialing a cell phone. DUH! Stuff like that.

They started harassing me verbally a few years ago ... started shouting insults as I drove by. Who? Teenage punks loitering at the end of the street with some kind of headphones (not Ipods). A quick reminder by me of the 2nd Amendment put a hasty end to that nonsense.

They try any form to F#$K up you life. Example: Before I was married I spent several years dating women that I met online. But somehow, magically, these women knew almost everything about me on the first date. We're talking personal stuff that only a fly on the wall of my living room would know. Understand? They would also send out bogus emails using my account. One time a lawyer of mine received several emails that he thought were from me. I was involved in a legal matter with respect to an accident where one of my relatives was the victim. The group stalkers nearly ruined the legal actions of my relative.

They'll send anonymous lies to your employer in an attempt to get you fired. They'll send false emails to your girlfriend claiming to "know someone" who's dating her boyfriend (which would be you of course...trying to make it look like you're cheating).

Name it and these scumbag group stalkers will try it. It's not just physical following on foot or by car. It's computer hacking, phone hacking, attempts to discredit you at work, with friends, with lovers, and an all out general smear campaign. They'll steal your credit cards and your identity if they can. They'll smear your reputation to anyone and everyone you deal with. Anyone in your phone book, email list, at work, or personal life will be contacted. Their goal is to make you go insane.

They must be scratching their heads over me though. Because now I'm better off in life than ever before. I'm married to a wonderfully compatible woman. I enjoy my job and make good money. I have lots of free time to enjoy life. I have refused to move. In fact, my house is the most beautiful in the neighborhood. I've spent my free time and income on home improvements. I've discovered that my former view as an atheist was wrong. So my newly found spirituality is leading me to interesting paths. In fact, NOTHING they have done to try to ruin my life has worked. Why? Because my God is the True Ultimate Creator who loves all of his creations equally; unlike the jealous, vindictive, and clannish demigod called Yahweh.

I believe you about group stalking my friend. I don't think you are nuts.

[tracker]

I can tell you from first hand experience of what it feels like to be gang stalked - this is usually joined in with e-harassment. I have both. One might have a chip - don't know. It all strted afte I went to a life coach - I went to start my own business. Not to explore life.

Anyway - I think this phenomena should not be ignored - it is definently real

Please add and participate

Chicken

Gangstalking usually takes place when some one does tryto change their status .

NOTE;---------------status .
this is why ;



control is like a bottle .
the masses are like lots of little magnetic balls in that bottle .
but folk like me and you are not magnetic --- we may not feel attracted to the system of things ( if youget my drift )
now because the masses ---------stick together and do the same thing
it is inevitable that the masses will never get through the bottles neck to freedom .
yet you and I ------are not like the masses -------we move randomly ------we move ---------differently and do not hve the same properties as the masses .
this means -----------one day it is inevitable that folk like us will find a way to freedom .
thus
this is why only INDIVIDUALS are defo monitored and spied on -------because if ONE breaks to freedom -------------the rest might follow suit , thus it is imperative that most resorces are used upon those who do not comply to the masses mind set --------------- so that the PTB can create more laws / more boundries / more rules / more red tape -------so that the masses are unable to copy the individual .
now you know why it is a fact that authorities play certain peoples lives like a piano , this is so the individual cannot prove anything yet knows something is wrong .

its how the authorities work .

[bealert]

Everybody knows about it apart from the police ..courts and those that wish to call Targeted individuals mentally ill... this is my proof of who is doing it. (undercover police..security services using Harassment gangs). Great posts by stop the madness and artwyse11 by the way.

[Ian2day]

They use various different departments of government and industry. All think that they are individualy investigating someone. Mostly unaware of what else is going down.

[stopthemadness]

They will go to great lengths to harass/destroy you. I'll add a few more instances. Really, if I told you everything this post would be 20 pages long.

When my neighbor broke into my house (the Jewish Sayanim guy). He thoroughly opened every cabinet & drawer. He found a desk drawer where I kept spare keys. Obviously at the time I didn't know anything about what was going on. So there was no need for me to take "precautions" because I was clueless.

He took a spare mail box key. In my neighborhood we have a community mailbox with room from 16 houses. When I first started becoming aware on the stalking I noticed that all of my mail was opened. Every letter and every package in my mailbox was opened then resealed. After a while I guess they grew tired of resealing them. So they simply tossed them back in my box opened.

I went to the local Postmaster and asked him why EVERY SINGLE piece of mail I receive is always open. He gave me some song-and-dance routine about it being due to the sorting machine using rubber rollers to sort mail etc. I pointed out that nobody else I knew had the same problem, yet their mail also went through the machine. He didn't seem to comprehend my simplistic logic. He maintained it was the sorting machine.

So I went through the trouble of renting a private mail box. It's like a P.O. Box but run by a private company. I changed all my personal business over to the private box. That included bank statements, insurance, credit cards, employment record. Name it and I transferred it over. It was quite a chore. I chose a private mailbox because after my conversation with the Post Master I was suspicious of the government post office.

It worked wonderfully. I had 24/7 access to the private mailbox via an entrance key. None of my mail was open. I could receive packages from UPS without worrying who had snooped around my order. It was really working out nicely.

Then, without warning, one day I showed up at the mail box store and it was closed. I mean closed as in locked and gutted. They had closed shop and in a hurry. No notice was given. I never was able to track down my deposit money. This was most unusual. That store had been in business for decades. It seemed to have a steady stream of customers every time I went. For it to close down without notice was strange.

I suspect that someone in power (city official, Mason, etc) must have found a way to shut the business in a hurry.

I begrudgingly switched back all my mails to the community box. And, as predictable as the springtime rains, my mail arrived in my box opened.

So I went back to the Post Master (of course a Jewish guy. All postmasters are Jewish. I'm not sure if you've ever noticed that. He'll be the boss supervising the postal workers. Usually he walks around looking important but doing nothing). And I told him that my mail was still arriving opened. He was no help.

So I paid the money to rekey the box. The Post Office came out and rekeyed me. That put an end to the open mail nonsense immediately. Wow, surprise, surprise.

Obviously it was someone in my neighborhood who had my key.

I'm not sure how, but with time they have been able to obtain my key again. Because within a few months my mails were opened again. I suspect one of two things. Either a Postal employee is in on it or they simply all tried various neighborhood keys until they found one that worked.

So, to this day, I know that all my snail-mail correspondence is monitored. I've closed out all my credit cards and try to minimize my use of the bank. I would go open another private box, but I'm sure they would find a way to shut it down as well.

Anyway, that's just a glimpse of how these people operate. And that's why I know it's a Zionist conspiracy. The neighbor-Jewish. The Post Master-Jewish. Many people I've found following me in Volvo's, BMW's, Mercedes, etc.-Jewish. (I am curious why the chase vehicles are often high end luxury cars. You would think they would use discrete, plain vehicles).

I could go on and on about wireless microphones & cameras. I didn't mention but it is certainly "interesting" that the Jew Sayanim neighbor used to work as a surveillance expert in the casino industry. Before 911 he actually had a job. And you know what that was? I know because he told me. This was WAY before I knew he was assigned to spy on me. I just thought he was my neighbor.

It turns out this guy was in charge of installing covert camera systems in casinos, cruise ships, and resorts worldwide. I'm not making that up. He used to fly all over the planet installing this stuff. We're talking Monaco, Vegas, wherever. He's a surveillance expert.

Just YESTERDAY I was filmed by a Jewish guy. It's petition time again. I'm running for Congress AGAIN just to make a statement. I refuse to be intimidated. Well, while circulating my petition I noticed a guy behind me sitting on a bench. He was clearly Jewish. I'm not trying to be racist. It's just a fact. He LOOKED like the classical Jewish guy.

Well the location I was at was near the airport. He pulled out a camcorder and started filming me. He was pretending to film the planes taking off. But I stepped out of his shot. He followed me, not the plane, with his camcorder.

You see it's stuff like that which makes it blatantly in-your-face. It's a ZIONIST conspiracy, okay. I'm not ready to buy into the shape shifting lizard theory. Every time I've had run-ins with the NWO it's been JEWISH, not Reptilians.

I hope my post helps others who are suffering Zionist attack. You are not insane. It is real. And they are very good at it.

Just have faith that all is unfolding as it should. Higher powers are watching and protecting you. These powers understand what is going on down here. As isolated, alone, and fearful as the Zionists have made you feel, please take solace in the fact that spiritual helpers are all around you.

[bealert]

Stop Gang stalking now! how much longer will People remain puppets of this insidious crime....How much longer will Mentally ill harassment gangs/people be allowed to ruin peoples lives because of lies. These harassment gangs manipulate evidence using (video and character assignation) of innocent people and make them look crazy... DON'T BELIEVE THESE PERPETRATORS LIES HAVE YOUR OWN MIND! IT SEEMS SOME PEOPLE ARE EVEN TO SCARED TO REPLY TO MY POSTS BECAUSE OF FEAR


GangStalking & Organized Stalking 1 - YouTube

[jakemaverick]

am i allowed to post again now?

story in the sig that is relevant to this thread.....

[bealert]

Sorry i don't read people's blogs...find them very Boring..seen one seen them all especially after reading Hundreds of frauds. Might appeal to other's though ..keep posting

[bealert]

They use various different departments of government and industry. All think that they are individualy investigating someone. Mostly unaware of what else is going down.
How would you know that?

[tracker]

How would you know that?


Ian2day may know it

because its true .

I can varify that with black and white proof here; ( shamelessly copied from my own thread made long ago )



think its not true , well let me take you to this , 1st read it , see how it works then judge for your self . at 1st the subject seems to have nothing to do with individuals , but after you will see how it actually directly attacks individuals , if you let me explain how .
i now take you to a magazine made by

Ashford borough council . August 2006 .

Artical = (title )
Making the country a safer place to live and do business .

( it says this on page 21 )
Kent trading standards supports the countries 54,000 businesses to trade in a fair , safe and lawfull manner to protect the interests of consumers with officers involved in a range of advice and enforcement activities including

1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .
2 ) reducing the supply of aged restricted goods .
3 ) helping to prevent the easy disposal of stolen goods into the second hand trade .
4 ) conducting focused campains
5 ) carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses to ensure that they comply with UK and European trading standard laws and business with complicated technical or indepth enquiries and problems
6 ) helping vunerable consumers
7 ) sending alert messages to warn consumers and partner organisations including , Citizens advice bureau , neighbourhood watch especially about rogue traders who are in their area .
8 ) warning consumers about loosing money to junk mail scams
9 ) encouraging young people to become "confident consumers" through the citizenship curriculum , and through school competitions .

Rogue traders on the increase.
trading standards are recieving more reports than ever about cold callers offering ---block paving / tarmacking / roofing / fascia / gutter repairs / tree cutting / switching energy supplies or perchasing antiques .Trading standard officers work closly with
police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities of rogue traders and cowboys who feel no shame in taking thousands of pounds from suseptable consumers . all information recieved by officers helps identify the traders and the area currently being targeted .





Now folks , readers of this big thread , did you see it ? No ?
well allow me if you will .
definition of rogue found in the collins english dictionary .=

1) dishoenest or unprincipled person . ( but whos principles do they mean ?)
2) mischief loving person ( what ? if i love mischief they can target me ? )
3 ) a wild beast ( so bite me )
4 ) apart from the herd ( hhm , you mean masses then )

so let me straighten this out .
lets gat back to the top and see number 1 =
1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .

so if you are a unique person creating a unique self employed business that is different from that of the herd ( and you dont have to be a cowboy at all , just a unique trade ) you could have as quoted

police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities

so how do they -------------disrupt your activities then ?
well if your van is mot and insured all legit etc , how do they take it away ?
they cant !
so what they do is comunicate with banks and local councils thus the "IN OUT" tactic i mentioned earlier is done on you . they use banks to put a hold on your acount , suspend benifits etc , whilst debting you with big bills in the other and , all creating a very inconvenient situation around you .

and did you see how they use law to allow the use of the word "rogue" and then justify this word next to "cowboy" to insinuate they mean the same thing when actually the 2 words are completly different in nature and name and meaning ?

yes they use the term "ROGUE" in the statute , but then undernieth justify the term "ROGUE" by using it next to "COWBOY" and then give all this info on how bad cowboys act etc . yet when we take it apart , what they are sayinfg is this .

if youve been on the doll for ages , or have never made anything work in your life , and begin to act out of the norm away from the herd , they will totally fkup your life using the above departments to do so .and they will do this in number 4 = 4 ) conducting focused campains and will also use number 5 =carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses .

Now if this doesnt sink in that this is real and we are all being fkd , nothing will sink in .

this is nothing , they have been doing it for years .
so ! if you think they are playing on your life






your probably right , and you only have to be a person away from the herd who does not comply to the consensers of things to have this harrasment !:cool:



its been going on in fact since the early 80s , but it took 20 years for them to come out and admit it .
also
it takes years to pilot the scam , ooops scheme , it takes years for them to practice it before they can even consider creating the scam , ooops scheme , thus
the eventual admittance in 2006 was indeed the end result of years of building it up into a viable machine .


wake up people

this wasnt my writing , it was a factual artical taken from KCC. Kent county council .


I have excorsized the Demons !
this house is clear .




:cool:

[bealert]

not convinced by the reply in that document. Although i dare say some of it maybe true

[tracker]

not convinced by the reply in that document. Although i dare say some of it maybe true

bealert ?

you are saying I am a liar .

I don't mind really , but you need to do something that I feel you don't often do .

REASEARCH !


that article is a factual , exact copy of the councils article taken from 2006 ashford borough council .

whether you feel it is all correct , sincere or not

its the facts !

I still have it here , the whole magazine .

I shall take photo of it tonight , and I shall post it here on this thread .

after that , don't keep using silly deniel tactics that I feel you use to run away from the truth .

tonight !
I will photograph it !

and I shall post it here for your eyes to see .

we will soon see

who is right

and who is wrong .

that I promise.


thats how strong I feel , I will prove it .:cool:

[bealert]

no i am not saying your a liar...you see things as you see them...i personally don't care if your wrong or right. you post is uninteresting to me..thought i would reply out of kindness

[tracker]

no i am not saying your a liar...you see things as you see them...i personally don't care if your wrong or right. you post is uninteresting to me..thought i would reply out of kindness

maybe I did come across a bit harsh and fast , but thats me .
sorry bealert , you should know the tracker by now .

however , i do feel that now is the right time ( tonight after college ) to make this a fact for every one to see .
what gets me is your interest in it.

laws are always used for our apprent "well being" or "to make us safer" .
I am surprised that you seem offish about it .

its just another admittance of a law that can take away every ones freedom to progress in life .

surely youve seen the news lately ?
that the gap between rich and poor has widened over the years .

wonder why ?

if you have children of your own , it is your duty as a parent to help them , and doing nothing about what you see here is not helping them .

its hindering them .

yes , inaction is a weapon of mass destruction .

evil cannot roam freely unless able bodied men allow it too .

however , like I said , it is about time I make this publicly known .

I have tried to google the magazine and to no amazement It cannot be found , which is why now its more important than ever to photo the mag and post it here .

My bad , for a scornfull reaction .

thankyou for not reacting to my reaction though .

kind regards
tracker:)

[tracker]

I can varify that with black and white proof here; ( shamelessly copied from my own thread made long ago )

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think its not true , well let me take you to this , 1st read it , see how it works then judge for your self . at 1st the subject seems to have nothing to do with individuals , but after you will see how it actually directly attacks individuals , if you let me explain how .
i now take you to a magazine made by

Ashford borough council . August 2006 .

Artical = (title )
Making the country a safer place to live and do business .

( it says this on page 21 )
Kent trading standards supports the countries 54,000 businesses to trade in a fair , safe and lawfull manner to protect the interests of consumers with officers involved in a range of advice and enforcement activities including

1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .
2 ) reducing the supply of aged restricted goods .
3 ) helping to prevent the easy disposal of stolen goods into the second hand trade .
4 ) conducting focused campains
5 ) carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses to ensure that they comply with UK and European trading standard laws and business with complicated technical or indepth enquiries and problems
6 ) helping vunerable consumers
7 ) sending alert messages to warn consumers and partner organisations including , Citizens advice bureau , neighbourhood watch especially about rogue traders who are in their area .
8 ) warning consumers about loosing money to junk mail scams
9 ) encouraging young people to become "confident consumers" through the citizenship curriculum , and through school competitions .

Rogue traders on the increase.
trading standards are recieving more reports than ever about cold callers offering ---block paving / tarmacking / roofing / fascia / gutter repairs / tree cutting / switching energy supplies or perchasing antiques .Trading standard officers work closly with
police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities of rogue traders and cowboys who feel no shame in taking thousands of pounds from suseptable consumers . all information recieved by officers helps identify the traders and the area currently being targeted .


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Now folks , readers of this big thread , did you see it ? No ?
well allow me if you will .
definition of rogue found in the collins english dictionary .=

1) dishoenest or unprincipled person . ( but whos principles do they mean ?)
2) mischief loving person ( what ? if i love mischief they can target me ? )
3 ) a wild beast ( so bite me )
4 ) apart from the herd ( hhm , you mean masses then )

so let me straighten this out .
lets gat back to the top and see number 1 =
1 ) targeting rogue traders and disrupting their activities .

so if you are a unique person creating a unique self employed business that is different from that of the herd ( and you dont have to be a cowboy at all , just a unique trade ) you could have as quoted

police / community wardens / banks / volentary organisations to desrupt the activities

so how do they -------------disrupt your activities then ?
well if your van is mot and insured all legit etc , how do they take it away ?
they cant !
so what they do is comunicate with banks and local councils thus the "IN OUT" tactic i mentioned earlier is done on you . they use banks to put a hold on your acount , suspend benifits etc , whilst debting you with big bills in the other and , all creating a very inconvenient situation around you .

and did you see how they use law to allow the use of the word "rogue" and then justify this word next to "cowboy" to insinuate they mean the same thing when actually the 2 words are completly different in nature and name and meaning ?

yes they use the term "ROGUE" in the statute , but then undernieth justify the term "ROGUE" by using it next to "COWBOY" and then give all this info on how bad cowboys act etc . yet when we take it apart , what they are sayinfg is this .

if youve been on the doll for ages , or have never made anything work in your life , and begin to act out of the norm away from the herd , they will totally fkup your life using the above departments to do so .and they will do this in number 4 = 4 ) conducting focused campains and will also use number 5 =carrying out visits to traders and supporting local businesses .

Now if this doesnt sink in that this is real and we are all being fkd , nothing will sink in .

this is nothing , they have been doing it for years .
so ! if you think they are playing on your life

your probably right ,

and you only have to be a person away from the herd who does not comply to the consensers of things to have this harrasment !

Here is proof of my post containing the gangstalking ability and law that hinders peoples progress .

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5HXuh2_F0fE/S2IFAstv9xI/AAAAAAAAALM/9ZMulI-8oys/s640/HPIM2370.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5HXuh2_F0fE/S2IFGdMyjkI/AAAAAAAAALg/jtr3UyYFNMc/s640/HPIM2375.JPG

I will admit the writing print ishard to see but I can ussure you this isnt a joke and quite frankly I couldnt be that bothered to go to such extremes .
the camera I use is a cheap 5 mega pixel so yes it is hard to see but this is researchable .

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5HXuh2_F0fE/S2IFBwrnuXI/AAAAAAAAALQ/oyjYnopBjHs/s640/HPIM2371.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5HXuh2_F0fE/S2IFCzxqZ9I/AAAAAAAAALU/R6f4lQC5PGA/s640/HPIM2372.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5HXuh2_F0fE/S2IFEHx3_dI/AAAAAAAAALY/YTjSvegHuD8/s640/HPIM2373.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5HXuh2_F0fE/S2IFE6e2-KI/AAAAAAAAALc/GKD77ZRtmds/s640/HPIM2374.JPG

if you compare the parragraphs I believe even them match the way I have written them in the last quote .

word for word , line by line .

[jakemaverick]

i'm back now, so u can read my sig...

[bealert]

Control Factor (2003) - YouTube

[bealert]

GangStalking & Organized Stalking 1 - YouTube
Freedom fighters against gang stalkers
Have the police there very own Mafia?

[jakemaverick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-U_WZDfNBc

new one on me.....will have to watch out for it...shud be on tv sooner later! <hiding in plane site agn....>

wonder what they have planned for me....

[jakemaverick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1grjzPPLW4
Freedom fighters against gang stalkers
Have the police there very own Mafia?

good vid, nice music, great find! <doesn't entirely fit with my perspective though----now i just wanna burn them all, 'cept the one named schindler........>

[bealert]

Terrorist Gang Stalking In North America - YouTube
proof shown in link.

views 6369

[jakemaverick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NApBF5_SY_A
proof shown in link.

views 6369

thanks for that, but still pretty lower level stuff....it get's far worse than that! my story started similar many years ago....and was state sanctioned....even had a camera right my windows pointing in 24/7.......that was just the beginning! all in the sig.....<higher level stuff, anyway> still ongoing-----only way out for me is suicide but i just dnt have stones for that.....currently i have suspected pigyobs in the bungalow over the road monitoring me 24/7----bit more discreet than all the white vans that were there previosuly!!! they're so totally inept one can't but help laughing at them a lil bit......but really not funny, and it's the stuff i haven't noticed that is far more worrying......

[bealert]

it would seem your case may be better dealt with by a Doctor..get help before you end up killing yourself. Speak to deca you may have more in common with him....http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=2811 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=2811).
your post seems more likely to be a wind up than genuine...Sorry i Don't believe your story.,,but hay carry on posting someone else might believe it.
(http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=2811)

[jakemaverick]

it would seem your case may be better dealt with by a Doctor..get help before you end up killing yourself. Speak to deca you may have more in common with him....http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=2811 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=2811).
your post seems more likely to be a wind up than genuine...Sorry i Don't believe your story.,,but hay carry on posting someone else might believe it.
(http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=2811)

PLEASE DO NOT START......i have enough enemies at the moment thank you very much!!!

[bealert]

Ok mate..take it easy...and good luck.

[bealert]

The people in the flat below have a mike connected to there stereo..the recording level is turned up high so that everything they do goes through he stereo amplifying there everyday living sounds..such as washing machine tv..talkig etc..they also contiguously bang and clap to make sounds. They are probably members of a Harassment gang because of gang stalking. I believe complaining about the couple will result in the police making a compliant to estate agents and will result in my self being chucked out my flat.

[jakemaverick]

The people in the flat below have a mike connected to there stereo..the recording level is turned up high so that everything they do goes through he stereo amplifying there everyday living sounds..such as washing machine tv..talkig etc..they also contiguously bang and clap to make sounds. They are probably members of a Harassment gang because of gang stalking. I believe complaining about the couple will result in the police making a compliant to estate agents and will result in my self being chucked out my flat.

how do you know? you been in there flat? if u are a genuine victim to sounds like you do need to move.....if you can/ if possible....whilst you still can! get's worse if u try to stand up for yourself.....

you really take the time to read what i wrote b4 that comment above?

[bealert]

I don't run away from anything and i don't threaten to kill myself like some losers do. Find support of someone that cares.. i have enough of my own problems to bother about without helping someone that i see as a fake...
You really need to see a doctor.

[jakemaverick]

I don't run away from anything and i don't threaten to kill myself like some losers do. Find support of someone that cares.. i have enough of my own problems to bother about without helping someone that i see as a fake...
You really need to see a doctor.

shame on you!

[bealert]

Mate listen to me..this is the only time i am going to reply to your post.
If you are gang stalked or what ever you believe is happening to you...you have to be strong... talking about killing yourself only stinks of attention seeking ..if you feel that bad see a doctor. weakness cannot be shown to these people not ever. i don't have the answers to your problem i am just a normal person trying to survive in a dog eat dog world. They will play on your paranoia.. its up to you to control it... its up to you to find solutions that work for you. make yourself as positive as possible ..never give up and above all don't allow yourself to be manipulated in to doing something silly.
if you want to make contributions to beating gang stalking that's up to you but don't look for sympathy because i ain't got a lot left.

[tracker]

What I see here are people who know the truth , yet fight each other over who ir right and wrong .
blind me , if we all know it goes on , proof is just cercumstancial and the word proof does not mean it will convince anyone .

this thread should not be trashed .

yes we get stuck in a moment , lord knows Im the best at that , but lets keep it to the point .

the Poor OP is making a topic here for debate , lets help them .:)

[tracker]

Mate listen to me..this is the only time i am going to reply to your post.
If you are gang stalked or what ever you believe is happening to you...you have to be strong... talking about killing yourself only stinks

yes it does stink .
people who want to kill them self are only looking for the right reasons , I have seen it all before too .

but if the dude is tired and feels down , they need support .

I want them to know I care .

:)

[jakemaverick]

What I see here are people who know the truth , yet fight each other over who ir right and wrong .
blind me , if we all know it goes on , proof is just cercumstancial and the word proof does not mean it will convince anyone .

this thread should not be trashed .

yes we get stuck in a moment , lord knows Im the best at that , but lets keep it to the point .

the Poor OP is making a topic here for debate , lets help them .:)

well said....forget abt the troll, he'sobviously attention seeking! believe or dnt believe....peeps believe what they wanna believe! past caring here...and killing onself is NOT an easy thing to do by any means!!!

[bealert]

If you don't play mind games they cant beat you it requires two or more...not responding kills them because it means you have the upper hand...no reaction is the best reaction. Gang stalking is very different from bullying...In a lot of situation gang stalkers will use reverse psychology trying to get you to react using different people as to prove you its you that is the problem..which of course it isnt.

Have a nice Day :D

Remember you can ruin there day by not letting them ruin yours.

[ladygoogoo]

Well very interesting. I have THREE women friends all in their 50s-60s
some with grown children some alone. All three of them had weird things
happen to them and the more they talked about it the more people regarded them as crazy paranoid drug addict etc the usual.
One women tried to take on the American Medical Association. She was gaslighted by HER own sister joined the fray, she was hauled off to the nut house on a section 12 (for your own safety) I had to rescue her. Some stranger had called from another state TWICE (not in the same year) and
said she was threatening to kill herself on the internet (completely bogus)
and a psychiatrist who had never met her had her committed.
ONe of her dogs was killed she came home and found tiny black
seedlike things all over the floor. The dog became ill with pancreatitis
within hours.

Another friend had her electric meter tampered with, her phone bugged all the time. It just didn't make any sense WHY anyone would do that
but she was hyper alert all the time because she lived alone. One day
people broke in her house and took all the pictures off the wall and
opened the backs and put them back on the wall and unscrewed
all her electric outlet covers and put them back on. She
was outraged at this invasion of privacy but could not prove who had done it. She has been followed when she walks her dogs and had to get
a super secure postal box for her street because people were
stealing her mail all the time.
Another woman friend she had people steal her identity. Her husband
was contacted to come to court in another state several states away to pay child support on a kid he had never heard of. He told me his life was normal before he married his wife. She was always sick with undisclosed illnesses.
She had people come into the house and move furniture, make tiny
incisions in her woodwork, she had to go to court repeatedly to answer
credit card charges taken out in her name she never saw before. She had to get a new social security number. She bought a home security system alarmed the house and got video cameras and still found stolen merchandise in her basement, someone released live rats in her garage, the madness went on and on. Her horses were harmed. People would take out nonprofit status using her name and address and she would get in trouble for it with taxes.
Her property markers were moved. And even her own family began to think she was nuts. She really suffered.

Another woman I know ran afoul of someone in UK. She was American and
lived on east coast. She would
come home and find her computer on and someone was hacking her
aol account remotely using DIALUP!
She went thru hell trying to get control of her computer
and ISP again. She had to change her password every single day.
When she lived in UK someone broke into her flat and stole her laptop
when there was money laying around untouched. IT was insiduous and
she really felt like she was going crazy because it was so inexplicable.

I have had my own stories. I really became very despondent. One day I arrived home the pilot light on the propane stove had gone out (I have
lived in the house since 1972 and that NEVER happened before, no windy
draft from a window etc) and gas had flooded two rooms. I had the
heat turned down so it lay on the floor rather than creeping up and
being ignited by the fridge compressor or that side of the house would have
blown out. I found rags stuffed in a kerosene filled glass jar under my wooden stairs to the basement.
One time I went on vacation. I returned and blackened
nails had been strewn all over the driveway behind the parked cars (
about 1000 nails) and the toilet in the house had been sabotaged and
was running continuously for 2 weeks straight while i was away and my
water bill was astronomical and it hurt my septic system. My phone
would be disabled at least once per year at THE CALL BOX up the street (which is the trunk line for all the phones in the neighborhood) When the phone company came they said ONLY MY WIRE was cut
loose from the box. Isn't that what happens when wire tracers are
removed from phone lines? I was followed by a man in a jaguar
to yoga class and he would sit next to me and I would see him
at the bank, the local coffee shop, and he was new to town, just
in from Washington DC as a contractor for NSA, DoD. A Navy jag
man who worked in DC and the guantanamo combatants contacted
me via internet and showed up at my door wanting an affair. Recently
Homeland Sec guy started IMing me on myspace claiming he was
ex-military and worked in security demanding my phone number. My reputation in town was destroyed by a whisper campaign (mostly
claiming I was crazy which they do a lot when they want to discredit you).
This was done to keep me from being able to find work in the only
area of town that had good paying jobs.
A lawyer contacted me from another state with a restraining order
claiming I was going to kill my friend and videotape it on youtube and
got a FEDERAL judge in another state to approve the order when
there was no evidence and I never got to defend myself. So I
don't know. Obviously I don't like people saying such things about
me but I had no idea they would accuse me of such nonsense or
that someone would believe it.

So I don't know guys. I do understand that this thing happens. For some reason on Cape Cod it is RAMPANT against women. None of us
know anything or would consider ourselves controversial. If you are
not crazy when this crap starts it won't be long before you are questioning
your sanity. I think the worst part for myself and these ladies I know
is the constant feeling you are on the defensive always to be alert
because when they start the assaults you have no idea what is coming
or what they will do next. Perhaps it is all coincidence. But it
didn't happen to me all this craziness until I lived alone. These other women I know also claim wackiness happens to them similar to what people
in this thread are talking about and it's despicable if it is being
done deliberately.

I think ignoring and protecting are two valuable things to develop.
I think the matrix is trying to eliminate free thinkers, rogue programs
who do not answer the clarion call of sheeple. I was heartened
to hear/read David Icke telling us it is just an experience people.
Nothing to let your ego get itself twisted about. I think they
whoever they are have some interest in keeping certain people
off balance. I think paranoia can be created easily if we allow
outselves to think it is all personal. We need to reframe, keep
our friends close, document EVERYTHING, take pictures,
write down dates/times, don't leave your car or house or mailbox
open to being preyed on. Get security cams and DVD players to record
comings and goings. There are programs you can detect bugs in your
phone, be careful what you say on phone or email especially
WIFI and wireless phones. Be careful what you tell strangers who
appear too friendly and want to know your personal business.

Great thread.

[vanishing point]

Hi everyone. I am an ats member who will defect here during daylight hours. This is my first visit here, selected because the background is bright, not black. I have no idea who David Icke is. Despite the black page for registering, I eagerly applied as I saw that the pages, at least, are visible and uncluttered. Content is what matters, not flash and ads that intrude on my sensibilities.

I propose that this phenom is a zionist work in progress, taken from the stasei playbook.

Recently a friend opened my eyes to the local 'community network', something I had long suspected as being in place but had no proof. Finally I understand.

He related that he found a baseball bat at a garage sale and decided to practice some warmup swings on his front lawn before heading to a batting cage. Soon, cars began to show up and pause at his house. Eventually real police showed up. He explained that the plain cars were 'community watch' people, and that because he didn't cease to take vicious practice swings on his front lawn when warned to stop his menacing activities where children could see them, he was visited by real cops. Turns out he has been flagged as a TI. The guy I mention was a friend years and years ago in HS. He dropped by my place because he heard of my troubles through word of mouth. It's funny, we never talked in the decades past, yet we have identical ideas. I would like to begin to tell my story here, on this forum.

I have isolated myself through choice, and have found comfort in having absolutely no friends, no social contacts, and no hope whatsoever of meeting new random acquaintances. If you are familiar with the zionist GS plan, you understand.

I have seen harrowing displays of fantastic, devastating technologies, and I am amazed that I am here, alive and able to tell of it.

I am grateful to the site owner for having normal white pages to read through, for that is why I dropped in. I wish to spread my tale through this forum. Again, I am an ats member who simply cannot abide by their insane displays and blackground. I am only here for the color white which enables me to read and write effortlessly. I have a few things to say, thanks.

[ragnarok]

Written from September 27th.
I wonder why media are not talking about Gang Stalking < SNIP lots of words> that would never be if we were just trying to be a little smarter.then I
looked at my kingdom i was finally there
to sit on my throne as the prince of bel-air .

[ladygoogoo]

I didn't know what it was either. I was victim to it:
my house invaded multiple times take doorknobs off and turn them around,
leave propane gas range on, nails in driveway,
phone tapped, dragged to court on civil charges monthly so I could
not take full time work, reputation destroyed,
stalked and harassed via email/in grocery store,
etc too long to even mention in a post. went on for years.
Only able to get away from it I moved from my home (forced out)
and "they" cannot find me right now flying a bit under radar
but this can certainly make a person feel they are going mad
and want to kill themselves!!!!
IMportant to know who one's friends are.

[noewhan]

Quite recently, within the last year I met a person who claims he has been bugged and stalked.

Here's the situation:
One of his relatives worked for the World Bank, and discovered how evil and corrupt the entire system is, so he basically left - long story.
He has earnt quite a bit of money so a private firm has bugged his whole family - vehicles, phones, anything they an get their grubby little mits on.

The stalkers are mainly 'lower class citizens' who are very easily influenced by money - so they do this shit without even thinking further than the next pay cheq, or whatever.

They are working out some solutions to the problem. Don't worry :D There are solutions.

I thought he was bullshitting me but it's true. And truth prevails.

Plus he told me about over hearing some plans to start a conflict between China and Australia.
I do not doubt what this person has said. Weather or not the plan still exists though is another thing. But I wouldn't be surprised.

[5swan]

anybody still here from 2 years ago?

this is a good thread.