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presence
25-08-2009, 02:51 AM
You are kidding of course. Why?

hank_scorpio
25-08-2009, 04:25 AM
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2009/157/2-157-eel-creature.jpg
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2009/157/9-157-addendum-image.jpg

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2009/157/spirit-mixed-life.htm

mikesingh
25-08-2009, 06:20 AM
Here's more on the 'critters' on Mars....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Spirit_Sol_229/mars_snake.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Machine_Parts/Spanner01.png

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/marsskulls6.gif
'Skull' I found way back. Check out the 'ears'.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/marsstar.gif

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsmachine2.gif

Cheers! :)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Other_02.html

majorion
25-08-2009, 11:39 AM
One of my favorite anomalous objects on Mars, which IMO is a smoking gun in of itself...

The Metronome!

It just looks undeniably artificial.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1402/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.JPG


Courtesy: Mars Anomaly Research

SOL 1402:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p1402.html
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1402/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1402/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.JPG


COLOR IMAGE SOURCE:
http://www.nivnac.co.uk/mer/index.php/a1401
http://www.nivnac.co.uk/mer/A1401_2_North_Slope/A1401_2_North_Slope_full.jpg

mikesingh
25-08-2009, 12:57 PM
Yep! The metronome is interesting. Also check out these intriguing objects in the same image which I've marked in yellow....

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/e5e56a81fc621a4fe0bef78365ebfac2.jpg

Like parts of a mechanical contraption, what?

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
28-08-2009, 06:06 AM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonDome.jpg

Lens flare? Or UFOs? :confused:

Cheers! :)

flyboy
28-08-2009, 09:27 AM
My favourite picture because there is NO doubt or question that there are 2 eel bodies in the picture...on mars.:eek:

It`s not just you seeing these things I know, This is for all the 'rock-face' seers out there. It`s got to be more about why you are seeing these things I think...

Try this:

http://www.mapcidy.com/files/images/inkblot.preview.gif

"How it works: Simply look at the blot. What do you see? It must be the very first thing that comes to your mind, don't think about it! You can highlight the invisible text beside each image for more about that particular blot."

The test linked below:
http://www.your3dsource.com/are-you-crazy-inkblot-test.html

Could explain why you are seeing if not what...

majorion
28-08-2009, 09:53 AM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonDome.jpg

Lens flare? Or UFOs? :confused:

Cheers! :)

I don't think that those are lens flares or anything like that.

You know the more I look at some of these Apollo photos with the astronauts shown and the modules etc.. I am really starting to lean towards JL's stance that all the Apollo missions were faked.

One possibility could be UFOs, but I doubt that NASA would release anything with even a hint of ET presence.

I also disagree with Hoagland about glass domes, simply because I haven't seen enough evidence for that.

Could it be that we what we are seeing in this photograph is actually a studio? I know it sounds absurd to some, but we cannot rule out the possibility that it could simply be a curtain reflecting light, some bad obfuscation airbrushing techniques by NASA perhaps? I mean who knows? .. The more I see from NASA, the less I trust and more I suspect.

Why haven't they (or anyone else for that matter) gone back to the Moon in over four decades? .. You'd think such a task would be far easier nowadays with the big technological advancements, so we must wonder, is LRO/LCROSS yet another NASA swindle (as johnlear suggests)?

Can't say I'm impressed at all with the few CGI looking images here: http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse

Where are the rest of the images? Processed for airbrushing before public consumption? Certainly seems to be the case if you ask me. They could definitely release the images now, the mission has been ongoing for at least 90 days now, so why the delay? And where are all the beautiful structures and anomalies? I don't think it would be too hard to fake high resolution craters anymore!

Hold on to those old "unprocessed" LO images, if there are any left.

Peace,,

presence
29-08-2009, 05:29 AM
Different pictures from different angles with different lighting would no doubt show, like with the famous 'face' on Mars, just a pile of rocks.

hank_scorpio
29-08-2009, 04:33 PM
It`s not just you seeing these things I know, This is for all the 'rock-face' seers out there. It`s got to be more about why you are seeing these things I think...

Try this:

http://www.mapcidy.com/files/images/inkblot.preview.gif

"How it works: Simply look at the blot. What do you see? It must be the very first thing that comes to your mind, don't think about it! You can highlight the invisible text beside each image for more about that particular blot."

The test linked below:
http://www.your3dsource.com/are-you-crazy-inkblot-test.html

Could explain why you are seeing if not what...
The image isn't really anything, impossible to say what it is, its just a blob could be interpreted several ways. Same could be said about the eels.

Note the shadows in the picture. You be the judge this is an inverted picture and zoomed in.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6026/invertedeels.jpg

You can see the white are the shadows. Do you see the curvature of the shadows consistant with the rock/eel/whatever it is? I've gotten several different viewpoints on the picture in question and nobody is able to conclude what the hell it is. I think its worth asking questions and getting different viewpoints because there might be something there. If I didn't ask or investigate I would never find out. I do think I shouldn't have said theres no doubt about the evidence in question, because there is doubt and its unexplainable so far.

mikesingh
31-08-2009, 06:07 AM
Where are the rest of the images? Processed for airbrushing before public consumption? Certainly seems to be the case if you ask me. They could definitely release the images now, the mission has been ongoing for at least 90 days now, so why the delay? And where are all the beautiful structures and anomalies? I don't think it would be too hard to fake high resolution craters anymore!

Hold on to those old "unprocessed" LO images, if there are any left.

Peace,,

And what about the Clementine images? They have yet to release 400,000!!!! Why haven't they done so? Seems obvious enough! This sucks to hell and high heaven! Jeeeez!
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/cutting-wood-098.gif

Cheers! :D

sexi_co
31-08-2009, 12:47 PM
I found this quite interesting ->

LOST SYMBOL RA star analysis - The Hidden Records lost star symbol Mars Pleiades - YouTube

He has a website too worth checking out. http://thehiddenrecords.com

mikesingh
01-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Sexi, that was pretty intriguing! Good find! There's an overlay in Hoagland's web site too, but a little different.

Cheers! :)

sexi_co
01-09-2009, 10:12 PM
Sexi, that was pretty intriguing! Good find! There's an overlay in Hoagland's web site too, but a little different.

Cheers! :)

Yea, what are the chances eh? They were pretty well bang on.

Just a coincidence im sure...

:rolleyes:

mikesingh
02-09-2009, 06:13 AM
Here's a strange formation on Mars that looks like it's a sculpted face!

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/ff970111409df6ec188be1e12e8afd8d.jpg

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
02-09-2009, 11:37 AM
Check out what's inside the Pasteur crater on Mars! NASA says it's a crater within the crater! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-081.gif Oh? A convex crater? Jeeeez!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/StrangefmnPasteurcrater1.jpg

Or is it something more than meets NASA's eye here?

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Smoking/smoking-003.gif

gripit
02-09-2009, 07:20 PM
Check out what's inside the Pasteur crater on Mars! NASA says it's a crater within the crater! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-081.gif Oh? A convex crater? Jeeeez!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/StrangefmnPasteurcrater1.jpg

Or is it something more than meets NASA's eye here?

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Smoking/smoking-003.gif

Awesome mikesingh, an entrance?! :confused: Would you guess that Mars or all planets are hollow?

venividivici2311
02-09-2009, 09:43 PM
Here's a strange formation on Mars that looks like it's a sculpted face!

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/ff970111409df6ec188be1e12e8afd8d.jpg

Cheers! :)

I wouldn't quite say thats a face mikesigh,but i see what you mean,my attention was drawn more to the objects to the right of it,about midsection height,looks like structures to me.

decim
03-09-2009, 12:51 AM
Reminds me of this feature on Iceland.
You can see it better on google Earth, it is situated to the North East of the island in the Glacier field.

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1/2156351-Kerio_volcanic_crater-Iceland.jpg

Check out what's inside the Pasteur crater on Mars! NASA says it's a crater within the crater! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-081.gif Oh? A convex crater? Jeeeez!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/StrangefmnPasteurcrater1.jpg

Or is it something more than meets NASA's eye here?

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Smoking/smoking-003.gif

elton
04-09-2009, 09:22 AM
Mikesingh,

What is the thing in the middle of the crater about halfway through this video? Note that NASA have photoshopped their Apollo craft onto it but I'm more interested in the crater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xJhNFLdNg&feature=sub#movie_player

mikesingh
04-09-2009, 11:46 AM
Hi elton, do you mean this.....

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/c052408494a24dd86e2a4e356fa04600.jpg

:confused: :rolleyes:

elton
04-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Hi elton, do you mean this.....

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/c052408494a24dd86e2a4e356fa04600.jpg

:confused: :rolleyes:

Yes thats it. It doesn't look so interesting now that its blown up. My bad!

exuberant1
05-09-2009, 12:53 PM
Greeting Mikesingh! Majorion! Watchzeitgeist!

Looks like we're almost all here. I'll start posting pics and stuff once I get the widgets and buttons figured out .:cool:


Test Image:
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/64cbf86c6ba8.jpg

More Moon Poles in AS16-109-17804?

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0d8e7e1e2c2c.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/174216296309.jpg

Enhanced (by RFBurns):

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/572408089c15.jpg

*It is almost like the image processor has added scratches to the film in order to hide the pole-like structures. I have even seen versions where the contrast and brightness have been increased to the point where the poles can no longer be discerned as in this official version of the image. I've taken the time to add one such version (see below):

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/858fa3d144c5.jpg




*Compare to the pole/tower found by Mikesingh in an uncensored version of AS16-118-18957:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonPillar.gif

exuberant1
05-09-2009, 02:29 PM
Who here remembers this machine from the Lear Moon thread?

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1325/as8122209gmenzelaqr3.png

Sherpa ordered the High res version of AS8-12-2209 - this is what was on it:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x44/sherpa_album/2209clip.jpg

Recently Spacejockey found something similiar near the Apollo 15 landing site - at it's longest, the object is around 130 feet:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/353566eb0690.jpg

:)


*Check out this amazing picture of Copernicus (5mb but it is very nice and shows the mine):

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS17/151/23260.jpg


-here are a couple more, but are not so detailed:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS17-151-23265

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS17-151-23266

exuberant1
05-09-2009, 03:49 PM
These rays of light look as if they could be resultant from the reflection of light off of a lunar structure (and quite a tall one at that):

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4eae7b832a12.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e326bf387ab3.jpg

*Furthermore, if these rays of light could only be produced in a lunar atmosphere which is denser than we have been lead to believe.


This image is AS14-67-9384

exuberant1
05-09-2009, 03:52 PM
This tower looks like many towers that we have here on Earth (except it is much taller):

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6f28cc48766d.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/814d331f698b.jpg

*This image is from the Lear moon thread. I cannot remember the specifics; any help identifying these would be appreciated. :)

cryst4l
05-09-2009, 04:23 PM
Hi exuberant,

Nice first posts and welcome :)

truth finder
05-09-2009, 04:54 PM
Hey Mike :P
Here's my own youtube on the Moon anomalies here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjYRREo8LIU
And you can download all 370 anomalies I found here:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4966387
Or just view them here:
http://s470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/

have a good one! :)


For starters thanks for starting this thread mike. top pics....

and watchze great video i realy enjoyed that what a top watch, very informative..the space elevator was alittle far fetched for me but who am i to say:).

Also could et's be using the moon as a out post to keep tabs on us?

All i know is after watching the vid i believe there is something there, and don't u find it frustrating that we may never know the full truth?

Again top thread.

exuberant1
05-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Why thank you Crystal! I'm glad to be here.

Hey, here's something that'll boggle your mind some more; It is the infamous parking garage that John Lear found in the crater Copernicus(aka. Bob lazar's Box on the moon :) ):

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/uploads/ats36894_cp.jpg



*As to Mikesingh's Moontower (below) - I have seen it suggested that it may be a drilling rig of some kind:

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd345/easynoww/moonSpires9-1.jpg


http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t68/IronDogg/Miscellaneous/drig.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t68/IronDogg/Miscellaneous/drilling-rig.jpg

kasalt
05-09-2009, 06:17 PM
*As to Mikesingh's Moontower (below) - I have seen it suggested that it may be a drilling rig of some kind:

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd345/easynoww/moonSpires9-1.jpg


Do you have an "official" source for this image (e.g., NASA)?

exuberant1
05-09-2009, 06:43 PM
Mikesingh already posted the specifics earlier in the thread.

kasalt
05-09-2009, 07:03 PM
Oh right, sorry I forgot. The frame number is lo5-125-h2a. One of the more convincing images imo. Always good to identify the frame number or link to an official source for such images because some people just won't believe it's authentic unless they can be shown that it comes from an "official" source.

exuberant1
05-09-2009, 08:38 PM
some people just won't believe it's authentic unless they can be shown that it comes from an "official" source.

That's their problem, not mine.

If a person can't be bothered to read the thread in its entirety and is therefore is unable to recognize an image which has already been posted along with the pertinent data - then too bad for that person. :)

chattanova
06-09-2009, 07:56 AM
Another Mars monolith :cool:

Mars Monument Proof of life

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/6/kennet/f_udykkynjtarm_c53ce20.jpg


So we had a monolith discovered on Phobos Mar’s Moon and mentioned by Buzz Aldrin 2 weeks ago, and the NASA photo of the Moon landing site that raised more questions than it answered
because it showed a shadow 2 miles long; and now we have a new monolith discovered on Mars.

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/6/kennet/f_y0vfc9jgloum_2885e38.jpg

You would think that NASA would delete the question raising images. Actually quite a few whistleblowers have come forward describing how their full time jobs at NASA and JPL were to retouch UFOs and alien artifacts out of the pictures before they were released.

http://mufonnj.com/2009/09/05/special-reports-mars-monument-proof-of-life/

venividivici2311
06-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Another Mars monolith :cool:

:eek:
Nice one chat!!!very convincing!

jamesc
06-09-2009, 10:07 AM
:eek:
Nice one chat!!!very convincing!

Yes i agree ,very impressive.

majorion
07-09-2009, 03:03 AM
Hi Exuberant1!

Nice to see you here my friend. Fantastic posts, great pictures. How do you find the time!

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/572408089c15.jpg

Regarding the image above for example enhanced by RFBurns, I know you may find the notion absurd, but is it possible that the Apollo program was all faked?

I'm sure you heard recently of that article by "The Onion" titled "Conspiracy Theorist Convinces Neil Armstrong of Moon Landing Hoax". Now of course we all know that the real hoax was the article itself, apparently this entire news organization who published the article are well-known for and based completely on spreading false stories...In other words; Disinformation!

While reading that story it suddenly occurred to me that the Apollo program could have indeed been faked, the whole program, all of the missions. As you can imagine, the conspiracy-theorist-light-bulb in me just lit up. I still don't know what the heck to believe, be it the conservative folks at "Bad Astronomy" or the researchers who have shown a preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

I was wondering what your opinion is on that. Could we actually be looking at a studio?

Anyway, thanks for the posts buddy, stellar as always! :)

Majorion

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 05:36 AM
Hi Exuberant1!
I know you may find the notion absurd, but is it possible that the Apollo program was all faked?



It is entirely possible.

It is even possible that certain aspects of the Mars Mission have been faked using "Virtual Presence in Space" technology. This technology combines visualization and image-processing tools with Hollywood-style special effects. Virtual Presence in Space" technology was developed at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., in cooperation with Maas Digital LLC .

Here is what we have been told the technology looks like:

http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/15009/wm/pd684530.jpg

http://www-b.jpl.nasa.gov/images/mer/2005-11-18/pia03230-540-304.jpg

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/139716main_image_feature_473_ys_4.jpg


It is the visual component of an advanced, completely computerized simulation system. Whereas the Apollo Simulation Program had to relay on pre-recorded studio footage and artificial data feeds from tapes to fool the World, this system is completely computerized and all data is accessible to it on demand.

I have several threads on the matter of the Apollo Hoax at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/profile.php?member=Exuberant1&display=threads

I'll post some of the better stuff here. I'm of the mind to pick up my bat and ball and start playing here instead. :)


Look at the desk. See that bump - that is a teleprompter to help the remember what to say:

http://i26.tinypic.com/rrioll.jpg


The Defense Intelligence Agency and their Apollo Simulation Program also known as 'ASP':


ASP is an acronym for "Apollo Simulation Project", which was created in 1961 and operated by the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) to "help" NASA with their technical problems by establishing a totally simulated moon mission.

ASP was a total secrecy project along the same lines as the Manhattan Project of World War II. The Manhattan Project ultimately employed some 300,000 people and hardly a word was leaked out.

The ASP base was constructed on land controlled by the (then) Atomic Energy Commission and surrounded by other military bases. Scattered throughout these arid Moon-like properties near Mercury, Nevada are super-secret site after secret site. Top level management was provided by CIA spooks. Interface personnel were hired as needed and paid top dollar and then released as necessary (with the required "never tell" NASA warnings backed by the muscle of the CIA).
-pg 54, 61 Kaysing 'We Never Went to The Moon'



And then there is CUSS - a part of ASP:

"Also installed at the "Cuss" base was the true master control center of which the so-called Mission Control and the Spacecraft Center at Houston were merely satellites or slaves.

The master control of Cuss (MASCONCULL) collected all data, programmed it into a computer which then coordinated the entire moon landing simulation. Since all releases were by well-edited tape, there was no chance of a blooper. Again, the total control of news by the American corporate state set an effective precedent for the totally controlled output of MASCONCULL. From prelaunch countdown to the final descent to the ocean, all sound and video transmissions emanated from the flawless and mechanistic heart of a speciallymodified IBM 370-C computer."

-pg 63, Kaysing 'We Never Went to The Moon'



NASA Section Chief Frank Byrne Agrees - It could have been a simulation and none but a few would ever know it...:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ead4a457aab5.jpg

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 06:04 AM
Green Dust Cloud on Mars! Oh My!


http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/99fc9c7e884a.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/af68d67cb259.jpg


I just found it this morning. Wikipedia linked to the lower-res version but no one noticed the green cloud - or is it a mist! :o

mikesingh
07-09-2009, 07:02 AM
Greeting Mikesingh! Majorion! Watchzeitgeist!

Looks like we're almost all here. I'll start posting pics and stuff once I get the widgets and buttons figured out .:cool:

Hi exuberant! WELCOME! Nice to see you here! Looks like a lot of guys are migrating from...Well, you know from where! :rolleyes:

And thanks for posting those pics. Good stuff, as always!

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Drinks/drinking-17.gif

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 07:27 AM
Hi exuberant! WELCOME! Nice to see you here! Looks like a lot of guys are migrating from...Well, you know from where! :rolleyes:

And thanks for posting those pics. Good stuff, as always!


Thanks Mike.

That other place has begun to disappoint me. I like the site, but let`s face it - it`s become a haven for `debunkers` and trolls. (not the contributing, constructive kind either)

Meanwhile we are the actual debunkers; debunking the Official nonsense by presenting our research, only to be disparaged for doing so. It is ever so frustrating.

I`m glad I stumbled onto this place. I`ll be sticking around.;)


Edit:

Ingo Swann discusses the Dead moon Dictum in his book Penetration. This is the idea that the establishment has been trying to foist onto hugemanitee which says that the moon is a dead, inactive body.

Ingo Swann's Penetration Mr Swann talks about how people are forced to draw their conclusions about the Moon from the available information. The key is to control which information becomes available and to also control which information is recognized by 'official sources'. What this means in when put into action; is that we are never allowed to see images of the moon with a resolution above what a small modern telescope would now allow:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cdb5d4943181.jpg

How the Moon was regarded by W.H. Pickering, M.K. Jessup and V.A. Firstoff:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/729b5ba573c5.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8533671e251c.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5d5c8fa57a7a.jpg

(Excerpts from pages 90,93, 94, 95 respectively)

branjo
07-09-2009, 08:03 AM
I have read up to the page with the link to the Moon Rising videos, and I had completely forgotten about it since the preview ages ago, It was very good to finally see it.

I just had to jump to the end just to make this post and say that its an awesome thread and I will be digging into it tomorrow with great enthusiasm.

Please keep up the good work guys, the sky "was" the limit ;)

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 08:14 AM
How many of you folks have seen the city under the muck at Cydonia?

Those blocky structures are structures which were buried in an ancient cataclysm - They were built by Us (our Great Ancestors) - not by aliens:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/79f241dbc012.jpg

Ah yes, vintage BAMF :D


Edit: Zorgon says to say Hello Mike!

mikesingh
07-09-2009, 09:36 AM
Do you have an "official" source for this image (e.g., NASA)?

Yep! Though it's been brought out by exuberant, here it is again...

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5269/moonspirestowerac5.jpg

This image is official and one of hundreds from Arizona State University's Space Exploration Resources. Here:

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/index.html

Cheers! :D

mikesingh
07-09-2009, 10:50 AM
Ingo Swann's Penetration Mr Swann talks about how people are forced to draw their conclusions about the Moon from the available information. The key is to control which information becomes available and to also control which information is recognized by 'official sources'. What this means in when put into action; is that we are never allowed to see images of the moon with a resolution above what a small modern telescope would now allow.


There's a software available on line but it costs the Earth! Its called ENVI, a software used for processing and analyzing geospatial imagery used by scientists, researchers, image analysts, and GIS professionals around the world. It combines the latest spectral image processing and image analysis technology.

But this comes at a price. $7000 for the basic package! This excludes 8.5% tax and shipping charges plus a nominal yearly fee for support! :( (I'll need to sell my Ferrari to buy this one!!) Yep, there are no free binges where the goodies are concerned! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Sad/tears-003.gif

However, it's best to use the IAS viewer available for free whilst looking at the HiRISE images. It gives unmatched resolution. Try it!

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
07-09-2009, 11:08 AM
Green Dust Cloud on Mars! Oh My!

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/99fc9c7e884a.jpg


The colors NASA paints the Mars images with, sucks to hell and high heaven! :mad:

Here's the true color of that image posted above. Note the greens and blues - moss, lichen, grass....? And what looks like a lake in the distance! By the way, NO coloring whatsoever has been superimposed on this image. Just reducing NASA's horrific amount of saturation!!

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/6122c476f98445540bde80e32e99f7f7.jpg

......And looks like 'snow' on the beautiful distant mountains, under the canopy of a light blue sky! :rolleyes: Hmmm...Now am I getting romantic? Jeeez!

Cheers! :)

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 11:21 AM
I know what you are saying Mike.

But I was speaking to the nature of the Cover-up; More specifically the control of the available information/data insofar as officialdom is concerned. It is the whole GateKeeper effect.

We both know that the general public does not and will never have access to the sort of images that are available.(And if/when we do get them, most of the goodies will be gone from them).

Then there is the acknowledgment factor that comes into play with Officialdom and those who ardently subscribe to their dispensations and their version of things.

For Example:

People such as yourself have been identifying sources of water on Mars for years. Pictures would be shown, temperatures of the area would be given - basically every pertinent fact from Azimuth to Zenith.

But at the time (let`s say over a decade ago) - There was no water on Mars. So what we were seeing, couldn`t be water. Debunkers are even contracted to dispute such findings where they arise.

Sure there was the odd speculative paper and report, but never any acknowledgement by those sources which the masses believe so wholeheartedly.

*Then overnight the data appears. It shows up with names and dates and places all in order as if the information has always been there. Even image data does not escape.

It is like the opposite of the memory hole.

The end result is that the next generation receives entirely different information and views the world through a different paradigm than the prior generation (who were kept in the dark to that which is now 'common knowledge' and which some will testify 'always has been').

We are so easy to manipulate.

Watch, the kids growing up nowadays will have access to the same images that we do. But in the exact same images where we once saw Co2 flakes and liquid methane (or somesuch), these kids will see snowflakes, and lakes of water - and they'll have the papers and docs to prove that it was common knowledge and there never was any cover-up. The rest of the aged masses will convince themselves that they just must have "missed the announcement"and not even question it. Sad.:(



Edit: I think Zorgon is making a thread on the green cloud tomorrow. Nice enhancement BTW.:)


I made one here already though - check it out: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80745

mikesingh
07-09-2009, 11:47 AM
This tower looks like many towers that we have here on Earth (except it is much taller):

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6f28cc48766d.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/814d331f698b.jpg

*This image is from the Lear moon thread. I cannot remember the specifics; any help identifying these would be appreciated. :)

Here it is...

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA00094

I had posted this a couple of years ago on ATS and also included an image of a strange object at Copernicus. Here......

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/moonrockdrill1.gif

Cheers! :)

bsmurph83
07-09-2009, 11:53 AM
How many of you folks have seen the city under the muck at Cydonia?

Those blocky structures are structures which were buried in an ancient cataclysm - They were built by Us (our Great Ancestors) - not by aliens:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/79f241dbc012.jpg

Ah yes, vintage BAMF :D


Edit: Zorgon says to say Hello Mike!

what the...? looks like Cydonia? :confused:

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 11:56 AM
what the...? looks like Cydonia? :confused:

Yuppers.

That's because it IS Cydonia.

This is what lays hundreds of feet under the muck that covers the entire area.

It looks like a modern city that has been suddenly buried doesn't it? :D

bsmurph83
07-09-2009, 12:10 PM
Yuppers.

That's because it IS Cydonia.

This is what lays hundreds of feet under the muck that covers the entire area.

It looks like a modern city that has been suddenly buried doesn't it? :D

ok, i'm confused... this IS Cydonia? or it is a replica buried under said muck somewhere on Mars?

pardon my discombobulation! :o

please elaborate a bit for me? :D

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 12:19 PM
ok, i'm confused... this IS Cydonia? or it is a replica buried under said muck somewhere on Mars? :D

This is Cydonia....

Cydonia is covered in a layer of deep muck. The 'face' at Cydonia is basically an island in the midst of a frozen mire.

The imaging system that was used allowed us to see through the mud, right down to the solid structures hundreds of feet below the surface. (check the notations on the image)

It looks like a buried city doesn't it? :)


**Hoagland addresses the image here - it is well worth the read:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/ir_analysis.html

Here are some images from the page - along with comparisons and models to aid in visualization of the structures:
(...with their sizes reduced and uploaded to my own account to save you guys bandwidth)

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/16d4836654d7.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c9db10c60379.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7365e1ced2ac.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d27efa161aab.jpg

:)

mikesingh
07-09-2009, 12:57 PM
Edit: Zorgon says to say Hello Mike!

Ditto!! Hi to him too! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/hi-002.gif

Anyway, we're in correspondence through email! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/mexican-188.gif

This is Cydonia....Cydonia is covered in a layer of deep muck.

:)

Muck, huh? You mean covered in NASA's crap, what? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/hot-sun-192.gif


Cheers! :)

2013
07-09-2009, 01:00 PM
It is entirely possible.

It is even possible that certain aspects of the Mars Mission have been faked using "Virtual Presence in Space" technology. This technology combines visualization and image-processing tools with Hollywood-style special effects. Virtual Presence in Space" technology was developed at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., in cooperation with Maas Digital LLC .




NASA Section Chief Frank Byrne Agrees - It could have been a simulation and none but a few would ever know it...:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ead4a457aab5.jpg

It could of course all be faked , including the tantalizing artifacts face on Mars pyramids etc . So they could deny deride and ignore it in the hope that people would think they are covering something up , therefore they have been there when they may not of at all ? just a thought , they like to play mind games , personally i think the artifacts are genuine .:D

bsmurph83
07-09-2009, 01:02 PM
thanks, ex-1!!!

will have to have a read (goddammit, i already have a million things that need reading... :D)

:)

exuberant1
07-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Can someone tell me how to make a signature.

I want it to be just like Mike's with the Pegasus Research Consortium link.

How do I do that?:confused:

Any help would be appreciated.

I tried copy and pasting the code form my ATS one. Can you guys see the link to Pegasus in my sig?

bsmurph83
07-09-2009, 01:33 PM
Can someone tell me how to make a signature.

I want it to be just like Mike's with the Pegasus Research Consortium link.

How do I do that?:confused:

Any help would be appreciated.

I tried copy and pasting the code form my ATS one. Can you guys see the link to Pegasus in my sig?

see the lighter shade green bar near top of screen? on the far left it says 'User CP' - click there. next screen you'll see down the left side of the page a bunch of links. one mentions 'Edit signature'. click. see how ya go from there. if i can do it, you can no worries :D

mikesingh
07-09-2009, 02:29 PM
Further to what Murph has explained,

User CP > Edit signature > (And now copy and paste this in the box):

[ URL="http://www.thelivingmoon.com/"]Pegasus Research Consortium[ /URL]

But remember, before pasting it, remove the spaces between the '[' and 'URL' before the url and after 'Pegasus Research Consortium'!! (I had to do it here so that it doesn't show the signature again here).
In other words, NO spaces anywhere!

Cheers! :)

majorion
07-09-2009, 10:06 PM
William Pickering was one of the main proponents of "vegetation on the Moon". While observing the crater "Eratosthenes" for a relatively long period from his observatory in; Jamaica was it? Anyway he claimed to have noted a low form of vegetation there that grew; perhaps on the rim of the crater? Alternating growth patterns depending on day/night from the perspective of the Moon.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-build_image?bg=%23FFFFFF&/seri/PPCAS/0007/600/0000060.000&db_key=AST&bits=4&res=100&filetype=.gif

I was wondering if any of you spot anything in these LO photos I found of Eratosthenes.

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/browse/4114_h2.jpg

LO4-114-H2

Of course here you'll find the print resolution: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/print/4114_h2.jpg

And here is the NO-DIFFERENT-AT-ALL supposed "highest resolution" USGS image GZIP compressed: http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/LunarOrbiterDigitization/data/Global/4114_h2_raw.tif.gz

If you guys see anything at all... any magic mushrooms.. any botanical cities.. any airbrushed areas...Please point it out :)

exuberant1
08-09-2009, 07:08 AM
Thanks for the help with the sig guys.

I wasn't sure how to do it. :D

mikesingh
08-09-2009, 07:37 AM
Thanks for the help with the sig guys.

I wasn't sure how to do it. :D

Why don't you make your signature a little more sexy like this.....

Pegasus Research Consortium (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/)

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Computer/computer-20.GIF

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
08-09-2009, 09:18 AM
Here's more from the Copernicus crater. Looks like 'roads' and an UG entrance! Moon mining?

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonRoads.jpg

More 'roads'
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonRoads1.jpg

Underground entrance?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Copernicus.jpg

Cheers! :)

rynath
08-09-2009, 09:56 AM
'Airplane view' of Mars yields stunning images

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/09/03/mars.images/index.html
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/releases/sept_09.php

What would you see if you could fly over Mars in a plane and look out the window?

It must be something like the thousands of curious, intriguing and spectacular images taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera mounted on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The University of Arizona, Tucson, which operates HiRISE, has just released a new batch of these photos taken in the last several months.

You can check out the full set here.

They reveal an alien landscape of craters, valleys, ridges, channels, weird surface patterns and other features in incredible detail.

Take the stunning image on the left, which shows the muffin-cup-like Victoria Crater, a site once explored by the Mars rover Opportunity.

The camera isn't looking straight down, but is pointed 22 degrees east so we get a better view of the crater's slopes, "comparable to a view from an airplane window," the university says.

Looking at some of the photos, you feel like you're flying over the Grand Canyon or the Sahara. Others are distinctly extraterrestrial in nature. In all cases, the images reveal lots of details about the surface of our neighbor in the solar system.

"Each full image from HiRISE covers a strip of Martian ground 6 kilometers (3.7 miles) wide, about two to four times that long, showing details as small as 1 meter, or yard, across," according to NASA's Web site.

It might be the closest thing to visiting Mars without leaving your chair.

Are these clouds?

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_012606_1510
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_012609_1130

exuberant1
08-09-2009, 10:29 AM
Here's more from the Copernicus crater. Looks like 'roads' and an UG entrance! Moon mining?

I love that 'crater' :)

Hey Mike, you know that green cloud that was spotted on Mars (by my brother).

Zorgon made a thread about it at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread499372/pg1

He used your image and a quote from you. this part:

"Here's the true color of that image posted above. Note the greens and blues - moss, lichen, grass....? And what looks like a lake in the distance! By the way, NO coloring whatsoever has been superimposed on this image. Just reducing NASA's horrific amount of saturation!!"

to go with this image:

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/6122c476f98445540bde80e32e99f7f7.jpg

Stop by and check it out, you don't have to log-in or post or anything.

It is a new discovery and you played a part in it. Methane has been detected from earth and space, but never has such a cloud of methane been seen from the surface! Pegasus got the scoop!

mikesingh
08-09-2009, 02:32 PM
I love that 'crater' :)

Zorgon made a thread about it at ATS.


Hey buddy! Thanks for the info. This is an amazing find by you and your brother! Hope his thread doesn't die a natural death! But seeing the falling standards there, I'm not so sure!

'Airplane view' of Mars yields stunning images
Are these clouds?

Thanx rynath! These images sure are intriguing. But the million dollar question is, why are they in black & white? Do they not want us to see more of those green 'methane' clouds as discovered by exuberant1???

Here's what it looks like in b/w....

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/bb90241b266e92e1077b5b34fa32fc4b.jpg

Hmmm...They sure look like a lot of clouds to me! Does it therefore rain if these aren't methane clouds? In either case NASA's just got bust!! :rolleyes:

Cheers! :)

bsmurph83
08-09-2009, 02:46 PM
shite, if those 'clouds' are what they look like (clouds), then 'bust' is the right word! but then again, it will be far from the first time, so i'm led to believe life will continue as per normal as if they were never there...

pink elephant? what elephant?

maybe it's the planet venus playing tricks on us. sorry, i'm just trying to reason 'rationally' as NASA would... maybe it's Doug and Dave and they've expanded their hoax business. now they're hoaxing clouds on our interstellar neighbours to trick us 'crazy new agers' into believing in 'little green men'?

just throwin' some ideas out there. :rolleyes:

@ exuberant1 - no worries! i like to be what little use i can :P

mikesingh
08-09-2009, 03:13 PM
Here's more of them clouds! Also dust devils and dust storms on Mars....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Blue_Bird_Weather.html#Fog

But heck, Mars they say is more or less Earth-like compared to the 'dead' Moon, where they insist there is no atmosphere and therefore no clouds etc! Oh yeah? So what the dickens is this.......

Have a look at these two pics of the Moon taken by the Lick observatory a few days apart. The first is pretty clear, but the second seems to be obscured by clouds and haze...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_1.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_2.jpg
LICKOBSA Lick Observatory, 1946 January 17d 07h 51m UT
Pics courtesy: Thelivingmoon

If that's clouds, what about an atmosphere on the Moon? Here...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Atmosphere/moonandvenussmall.jpg
A spectacular picture of the moon taken by the Clementine 1
spacecraft. The haze effect is caused by dust in the lunar
atmosphere.
Courtesy: The livingmoon

Hmmm...Dust flying around without an atmosphere? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-014.gif

Cheers! :)

kasalt
08-09-2009, 05:12 PM
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Atmosphere/moonandvenussmall.jpg
A spectacular picture of the moon taken by the Clementine 1
spacecraft. The haze effect is caused by dust in the lunar
atmosphere.
Courtesy: The livingmoon

Hmmm...Dust flying around without an atmosphere? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-014.gif

Cheers! :)

Wikipedia's article on the Atmosphere of the Moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia says this:
The Moon may also have a tenuous "atmosphere" of Electrostatic levitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia dust. See moon dust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_dust#Moon_fountains_and_electrostatic_levitat ion) for more details.

majorion
08-09-2009, 08:09 PM
Have a look at these two pics of the Moon taken by the Lick observatory a few days apart.

The thing about the Lick Observatory photos; or is it another series? Anyhow one of the full mosaic of the near side has our beautiful blue Aristachus all brushed with white-out... Nothing to see here folks, move along, only "ejecta" ;)

There is no doubt about an atmosphere, the problem is when people like JL mention an atmosphere people imagine something heavy, but it's very thin and probably more pronounced at the bottom of craters, and the clouds on the Moon only become visible in certain lighting conditions. Well at least that's my personal opinion after glancing closely and very carefully at the LO photos for many hours, as well as the Apollo metrics, which have such incredible resolution that you're bound to see spot some pretty neat stuff, granted the "offensive material" is brushed out sometimes. They just can't brush out everything though!

And if they don't airbrush then they just apply their little ugly black stickers. :rolleyes:

rynath
09-09-2009, 02:58 AM
Great thread and thx for the input :)

There are 1512 new images spanning 90+ pages. On page 20 I ran into this:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/releases/sept_09.php?page=20
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_012869_0985

Notice this terrain is titled "Cryptic Terrain Type B (ESP_012869_0985)"

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/625/crypticterrainb3.jpg

At first the thumbnail looks like a washed out red mess. If you go into this photo and check out the full images we have some different results:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8199/crypticterrainb.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4839/crypticterrainb2.jpg

Are these green trees? I wonder what "Cryptic Terrain Type A" looks like? I guess I'll have to keep looking :)

mikesingh
09-09-2009, 09:24 AM
NASA called it "Cryptic Terrain" because they had no idea what the heck it was! They've pulled out some 'explanations' now out of their hats, which needless to say are straw-man explanations at best! :rolleyes:
It looks as though NASA has colored it red. Why not green instead? No prizes for guessing!

Cheers! :)

exuberant1
09-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Wikipedia's article on the atmosphere of the moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_the_Moon) says this:
The Moon may also have a tenuous "atmosphere" of electrostatically-levitated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_levitation) dust. See moon dust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_dust#Moon_fountains_and_electrostatic_levitat ion) for more details.



You might be interested in checking out this thread. It is pretty informative:


"Sunset and Sunrise Crepuscular Rays on the MOON"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread498076/pg1

deany
09-09-2009, 09:34 AM
amazing thread guys, keep up the good work!

jamesc
09-09-2009, 02:13 PM
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2009/details/ESP_013499_1650.jpg



One of the science objectives of this observation was to try to capture the same dust devil in both cameras simultaneously by coordinated HiRISE and MER Spirit observations.

Surprisingly few dust plumes and dust devil tracks have been observed by HiRISE in Gusev Crater, in comparison to the number of dust devils seen by the rover. Obtaining both ground-based and orbital imagery will allow scientists to better understand the formation, physical properties, and behavior of the dust devils at the MER Spirit landing site.

During these coordinated observations, Spirit observed several small dust devils and a large dust devil in the flat plains northwest of its current position on the western scarp of a polygonal feature commonly called Home Plate. On the other hand, the HiRISE camera did not detect an active dust devil nor the track that dust devils often leave behind. However, a dust devil plume was captured east of Columbia Hills that was about 17 meters in diameter! The top “L-curve” is the track left behind, and the bottom “L-curve” is the shadow of the plume. With changing winds, the dust devil is moving in a direction different than when it formed. It may be that only the largest of the Gusev Crater dust devils can be easily seen by HiRISE.

BACKGROUND
Ground-based (Mars Exploration Rover) MER and orbital MRO (Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter) HiRISE observations indicate that the low albedo zone in Gusev Crater is currently an active area for the formation of dust devils.

Dust devils are convecting warm-core vortices that form when hot surface air rises and is replaced by the radial inflow of surrounding cool air. This rising vertical column of swirling warm air creates a low pressure core. The low pressure core acts like a vacuum that picks up fine particles that mantle the surface and exposes the dark basaltic substrate in a narrow track.

Subimage credit: Devin Waller, Arizona State University (for Spirit coordination).

Written by: Circe Verba

So the above is saying this is just a "dust devil".:cool::confused:
Looks kinda bright eh.

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013499_1650

mikesingh
09-09-2009, 04:15 PM
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2009/details/ESP_013499_1650.jpg

So the above is saying this is just a "dust devil".:cool::confused:
Looks kinda bright eh.

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013499_1650

Hmmm...That was on Mars. Now take a peek at a bright whatever-it-is I found in an image photographed by Apollo 17.....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17a-1.jpg
Courtesy: NASA

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-022.gifhttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-022.gif

Cheers! :)

jamesc
09-09-2009, 05:23 PM
Hmmm...That was on Mars. Now take a peek at a bright whatever-it-is I found in an image photographed by Apollo 17.....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17a-1.jpg
Courtesy: NASA

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-022.gifhttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-022.gif

Cheers! :)

Interesting to say the least , not saying that this photo on the moon is a form of a dust devil but can you get dust devils on the moon and is the conditions and atmospheric realities right for it??

mikesingh
09-09-2009, 07:08 PM
Interesting to say the least , not saying that this photo on the moon is a form of a dust devil but can you get dust devils on the moon and is the conditions and atmospheric realities right for it??
I don't think there could be dust devils like what one sees on Mars. However, it's interesting to observe what looks like clouds in and around the craters on the Moon. Take a look....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS8_13_2225/Clouds_01a.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS8_13_2225/Clouds_01b.png
Courtesy: Thelivingmoon

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-002.gif

Cheers! :)

exuberant1
09-09-2009, 07:57 PM
Hey you guys, what do you think these lights are?

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS14/70/9835.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS14/70/9836.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS14/70/9837.jpg

Here is an Animation made by internos:

http://www.budoniambiente.org/internos/13zv2.gif


Frames:
AS14-70-9835
AS14-70-9836
AS14-70-9837

majorion
10-09-2009, 03:51 AM
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS8_13_2225/Clouds_01a.png

Now that's what I'm talking about dudes!

As I said, in a certain light, you can see signs of atmosphere, at the very top the clouds are visible, it's a thin atmosphere, just enough to be breathable at least for a short period, it's not some "dust-fused" atmosphere, and at the bottom surface levels of craters it's a bit heavier.

I'm convinced this image here LO4-138-H2 shows clouds. It's undeniable, look at the whole thing carefully!

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/browse/4138_h2.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4138

Print Resolution JPG:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/print/4138_h2.jpg

USGS Raw TIFF:
http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/LunarOrbiterDigitization/data/Global/4138_h2_raw.tif.gz

watchzeitgeistnow
10-09-2009, 06:12 AM
Hmmm...That was on Mars. Now take a peek at a bright whatever-it-is I found in an image photographed by Apollo 17.....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Apollo17a-1.jpg
Courtesy: NASA

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-022.gifhttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-022.gif

Cheers! :)

Oh I love this - here is the LO pic of "the horse shoe" ...
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr64/watchZEITGEISTnow/NASA%20LUNAR%20ORBITER%20MOON%20ANOMALIES%20SOURCE %20MIXED/lo3-193-mb2.jpg
http://ser.sese.asu.edu/LO/lo3-193-mb.html (3 lines down on upper left of image!)
You know what I want to do - get the scale of all the LO images so we can get a reference point - and MAP OUT all these areas of interest! (seeing as though NAZA wont help in that department...)
:)

mikesingh
10-09-2009, 03:43 PM
Oh I love this - here is the LO pic of "the horse shoe" ...
You know what I want to do - get the scale of all the LO images so we can get a reference point - and MAP OUT all these areas of interest! (seeing as though NAZA wont help in that department...)
:)

Wow wZn! Good find! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-249.GIF

I wonder what the devil these are??? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry.gif

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
12-09-2009, 10:36 AM
Here's some more strange geometrics on Mars....Look carefully! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Computer/computer-16.gif

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/627dd70bdac7ba9f85aee0498ba66983.jpg

Looks like some kinda settlement at the edge of the crater! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-022.gif

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-097.png

rodin
12-09-2009, 11:54 AM
This thread has a Tavistock feel about it :eek:

Moon images were faked. Check out this

http://www.trade2win.com/boards/attachments/foyer/63764d1252711242-moonshot-moon-shadow.png

Can't trust anything from NASA now.

mikesingh
12-09-2009, 01:36 PM
That's possible for Apollo 11! But at least Apollo 15 was real! Why? Because India's Chandrayaan-1 Moon craft has photographed the tracks of the Rover in the area.

Apollo 15's Moon landing validated

In a considerable downer for space conspiracy theorists, Chandrayaan-1's terrain-mapping camera has recorded images of the landing site of US spaceship Apollo 15 and tracks of its lunar rovers that were used by astronauts to travel on the moon's surface nearly four decades ago, a scientist said Wednesday.

Prakash Chauhan of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) said the images captured by the hyper-spectral camera on board Chandrayaan-1 debunked conspiracy theories that have claimed that the Apollo 15, the fourth US mission to land on the moon was a hoax.

His remarks came during his presentation at a conference on Low Cost Planet Missions (LCPM) here titled "Chandrayaan-1: TMC and HYSI data analysis for Apollo landing sites and Mare Orientale".

"We managed to identify the landing site of the Apollo 15 shuttle on the basis of the disturbances on the moon's surface. Our images also show tracks left behind by the lunar rovers which were used by the astronauts to travel on the moon's surface," Chauhan, who is presently attached to the Space Applications Centre at Ahmedabad, said.

He said that the images sent back by Chandrayan-1 adequately debunked conspiracy theories that the Apollo 15 mission was a hoax. Chandrayan's images serve as an independent corroboration that can help dispel doubts about the NASA mission," he contended.

Chauhan, however, admitted that while Chandrayaan's camera was not equipped to capture images of the footprints left behind by the first astronauts on the moon - Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin - the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter equipped with a high resolution camera launched by NASA could capture the images (footprints) in the near future.

Cheers! :)

exuberant1
12-09-2009, 03:02 PM
That's possible for Apollo 11! But at least Apollo 15 was real! Why? Because India's Chandrayaan-1 Moon craft has photographed the tracks of the Rover in the area.



Cheers! :)

Perhaps... Or maybe NASA just found some choice boulders and lased tracks around them. WhiteSands did receive these images (and we all know about the lasers at white Sands)... Afterall, lasers could be used to make roads or even launchpads on the moon. NASA is considering it.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/88feeec33875.jpg


-solar-pumped lasers in lunar orbit would beam power to the lunar surface for conversion into either electricity or propulsion needs. For example, lunar rovers could be much more flexible and lighter than rovers using other primary power sources

-Also, laser power could be absorbed by lunar soil to create a hard glassy surface for dust-free roadways and launch pads

-Laser power transmission is shown to be a highly flexible, enabling primary power source for lunar missions.

(http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=701594&id=9&as=false&or=false&qs=No%3D20%26Ne%3D35%26Ns%3DPublicationYear%257c0% 26N%3D4294878815)

Zorgon and myself have covered the 'other' SELENE at length on ATS. (well, not at length, but with enough detail that we won't get shot).

Whilst standard lasers could be used to create smooth glassy surfaces, lasers configured for the creation of pulsed detonation explosions could used to perturb lunar surface material so as to simulate the expected lunar tracks.

Click for for a Selection of Papers Regarding Laser power transfer systems (don't worry kids, it's .gov not .mil):

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode%20matchall&Ntt=landis%2Blaser

exuberant1
12-09-2009, 03:05 PM
The other Selene:

In the spacecraft "Kaguya SELENE" stands for "SELenological and ENgineering Explorer"

JAXA | SELenological and ENgineering Explorer "KAGUYA" (SELENE)
http://www.jaxa.jp/projects/sat/selene/index_e.html

The NAVY SELENE stands for "SpacE Laser ENergy"

Why this odd acronym? Good question... maybe it does have something to do with the Japanese Moon Ship after all :P

Information is difficult to find but we have some things to go on... Exuberant1 has been working to track this one down, as well as other info on lasers to transfer power from Earth to satellite, from satellite to ground, and from satellite to satellite...

SELENE has the ability to send POWER TO THE MOON... think about the implications of THAT.

NAOMI/SELENE site design

Hislop, Arthur Q.; Malik, John L.; Richter, David J.; Bennett, Harold E.
Proc. SPIE Vol. 2376, p. 297-314, Laser Power Beaming II, Harold E. Bennett; Richard D. Doolittle; Eds.


Abstract:

The Birchum Mesa SELENE (Space Laser Energy) facility will be dual use facility as it provides for progressive development of high power Free Electron Lasers (FEL) and commercial laser beam power transfer to space-borne vehicles. The facility will be comprised of SELENE mainsite containing two laser system bays and supporting facilities with transport tunnels coupling to the Beam Transfer Optical System (BTOS) which is the active optical array space beam director with its supporting facility. The first generation commercial grade laser will operate at 100 kW of quasi-CW laser power with a planned growth to 10 MW of output power. The BTOS beam director will direct a focus compensated laser power beam to provide power service to space vehicles within a +/- 50 degree (half angle from zenith) tracking cone service field. An underground hardened site is proposed for this facility to mitigate any potentially hazardous effects from operation of a very high energy CW electron beam laser, to protect the facility from inadvertent weapons splashdown during range Test and Evaluation operations, and to create minimum environmental impact upon historical and ecological elements of the range.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995SPIE.2376..297H

Advantages of China Lake for laser power beaming
Bennett, Harold E.
Proc. SPIE Vol. 2376, p. 280-296
Laser Power Beaming II, Harold E. Bennett; Richard D. Doolittle; Eds.


Abstract:

The site for the proposed National Advanced Optic Mission Initiative (NAOMI) facility will be in the mountains near China Lake, California. This location has 260 clear days per year (more than any other feasible site in the U.S.). In 1993 there were 5 completely overcast days all year. The area near the proposed site is unpopulated. The solar insolation in this general area is the greatest of any area in the United States.

The NAOMI system will be installed at an altitude of 5600 feet. Astronomical seeing there is excellent. Even at a less favored site than that planned for NAOMI the average Fried seeing coefficient ro is 12 cm in the visible region and 20 cm values of ro (comparable to the best observatories) are commonly observed. The area is centrally located in and entirely surrounded by one of the largest restricted airspace/military operating airspace complexes in the United States, 12% of the entire airspace in California. Electrical power is available from either the nearly Coso Geothermal plant, second largest in the United States, or from the even closer cogeneration plant at Trona, California.

Cooling water can be obtained from the nearby area or from the lake itself. Although a dry playa, the lake has a high brackish groundwater level. Most of the commercial satellites over the U.S. could be reached by a laser/telescope system located on government land at the Naval Air Weapons Station (NAWS) military reservation at China Lake. This telescope/laser system will be a prototype for five other systems planned for around the world. The complex will provide laser power beaming to all satellites and put the United States into the position of world leader in satellite technology and power beaming to space.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995SPIE.2376..280B

Now the part about beaming power via laser to the Moon

Beam Transmission Optical System (BTOS)
SELENE


Introduction

The development of the Beam Transmission Optical System (BTOS) is a portion of a larger project entitled SpacE Laser Electric ENErgy (SELENE). The SELENE project utilizes a high energy, free electron laser to transfer energy from the ground to orbiting spacecraft or other space targets such as a lunar base [1] BTOS is the systcm that delivers the beam energy from the laser to the target.

The primary mission objective of SELENE is to provide energy for operation of geosynchronous satellites including steady-state power for operations, periodic low power for station keeping, periodic high power during eclipses, and high power for transfer orbit apogee burn. [2] SELENE will also provide energy for operation at middle and high earth orbits (MEO) of 3000+ kilometers. Another possible usage for SELENE will be to provide energy to a laser-augmented solar-electric orbit transfer vehicle wherein a low earth orbit (LEO) vehicle transfers to geosynchronous orbit (GEO) through a spiral trajectory path. Finally, SELENE will provide continuous steady-state energy for operation of a lunar base.[3]

Structural Design Considerations for the Beam Transmission Optical System
Paul D. MacNeal and Michael C. Lou, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, California




A practical demonstration of a Laser BTOS system being used to supply power to a sub-orbital craft (a remote-controlled plane):

wto6PEnGWrU


Flights of the lightweight, radio-controlled model airplane inside a large building at NASA Marshall are believed to be the first time that a plane has been powered only by laser energy. The demonstration was a key step toward the capability to beam power to an aircraft, allowing it to stay in flight indefinitely -- a concept with potential for the scientific community as well as the remote sensing and telecommunications industries.

-http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/NewsReleases/2003/03-54.html

majorion
13-09-2009, 01:59 AM
That's possible for Apollo 11! But at least Apollo 15 was real! Why? Because India's Chandrayaan-1 Moon craft has photographed the tracks of the Rover in the area.

Dude, I used to be an Apollo hugger too. :)

At any rate I would not trust any of the other space agencies, ESA, JAXA, Change' or whatever. They are all connected to NASA, or at least influenced by NASA to a certain degree. I'm still waiting on those images from Chandrayaan, where the hell are they? Their image gallery link has been broken for a while as well.

To be honest, I don't find tracks on the Moon or hardware supposedly "left behind" any more convincing. They could have sent those rovers and created footsteps on the Moon from right here on Earth, infact it's probably technically easier. Until recently, I never questioned whether they went to the Moon. But after their little charade here ( http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html ) which is more-than-suspect, I am really starting to doubt they ever went to the Moon.

Think about it, there seems to be more evidence that they didn't go than having indeed went.

One of the biggest debunker forums, "bad astronomy", the thing they are most adamant about and defending is whether the Moon Landings were hoaxed. Till this day they argue over it. I always find truth-reversal quite effective in an attempt to cut the bullshit and get closer to the truth. ;)

Having said all that, I'm still not sure either way.

Keep up the fantastic work my friends! Maybe one day we'll get the truth.

mikesingh
13-09-2009, 04:57 AM
Very thought provoking posts ex1 and maj!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/others-076.GIF

Ok, I think this debate will go on till the cows come home! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Battle/fight-2345.gif

All said and done, I personally feel that we DID go to the Moon but most of what happened there has been withheld from the public.

Most images have been withheld from the public and many of those released have been tampered with. For example, 400,000 images from Clementine have yet to be released! What the.....?

So how did we reach the Moon with 60s technology? The on-board guidance computer on Apollo 11 had far less specs than my calculator with a memory of just 2k!!! All this talk of the AGC assembly language stored in 'rope memory' etc etc to plan and guide such a complex mission to the Moon and which we have not been able to replicate till today is beyond suspicious!

So how the heck did this toy guide the craft into Lunar orbit, make a soft landing and a perfect lift-off followed by precision docking for the journey back and finally a perfect re-entry into Earth's atmosphere for a smooth landing, is prety much beyond comprehension!

It's more likely that later missions did land on the Moon, but with a little help from our 'friends'! You know what I mean! ;) And what about the top secret Military Space Program? Nautilus, TRB-3, TAW-50 and so on? According to inside sources these are making regular trips into space (And the Moon) since the last many years using reverse engineered alien technology! Gravity shielding tech being the most common. Detailed papers on this are available in the Los Alamos National Lab archives, which I've read.

NASA is just a cover for what's actually going on!

“And apparently, NASA must be used to convince the public
that our current technology, such as with our very old and decrepit
Space Shuttle program, is the best we have, while our military
conducts space missions with technology that we can only
fantasize about while watching Star Trek.” - USAF Medic, 1980s.

More... (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread329997/pg1)

Cheers! :)

majorion
13-09-2009, 07:30 AM
I'll attempt to say what John would say. :)

So how did we reach the Moon with 60s technology?

We didn't.

a complex mission to the Moon and which we have not been able to replicate till today is beyond suspicious!

It is conclusive evidence that the Apollo program was all fake. We never went to the Moon.

So how the heck did this toy guide the craft into Lunar orbit, make a soft landing and a perfect lift-off followed by precision docking for the journey back and finally a perfect re-entry into Earth's atmosphere for a smooth landing

They did most of it in a studio, at NASA Langley:

http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08ba0120.jpe

http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08df88b0.jpe

http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/098027c0.jpe

NASA is just a cover for what's actually going on!

What's actually going on is to do with their orbital space weapon platforms up there.

We never got past the Van Allen belt. (I think, according to Sleeper)

Cheers,

majorion
13-09-2009, 07:46 AM
Here are the Lunar Landing tapes:

Apollo 11
Apollo 11:"The Eagle has landed." - YouTube
Apollo 12
Apollo 12 Lunar Landing - YouTube
Apollo 14
Apollo 14 Lunar Landing - YouTube
Apollo 15
Apollo 15 Landing - YouTube
Apollo 16
Apollo 16 Lunar Landing - YouTube
Apollo 17
Apollo 17 Lunar Landing - YouTube

Looks a lot like their fake Moon at NASA Langley.

exuberant1
13-09-2009, 10:54 AM
Here are the Lunar Landing tapes:

Looks a lot like their fake Moon at NASA Langley.

Thanks for getting those all in one place Majorion!

Hey, I'll add to this moon hoax stuff with some of Zorgon's finds and a video that I found which is the best evidence I've seen yet to show how the moon landings were faked. *I see majorion already posted a couple pic, I'll don it again to get them all in one place for the people at this forum.
The video mentioned It is Charlie duke and John Young in the simulator and when you look on the screen you see exactly what we say in the lunar landings! (I'll post it at the very bottom.)

Making a Moon for public Consumption:


First, set the stage...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08a9f120.jpe

Get all the details just right:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08ba0120.jpe

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08ff88b0.jpe


100% painstakingly accurate detail from the Lunar Orbiter images... had to be careful to not get too many anomalies into the work The LO mosaic is behind him and he is standing on the camera track...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08df88b0.jpe

It is important to get the lighting just right:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/091f48e0.jpe

Check to see what it would look like through a window:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/098027c0.jpe

Now lets add that pukey color we see in those Apollo moon pics...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/099307c0.jpe

Sit down in the pilots seat and off you go...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/09a1bae0.jpe

This final picture shows Charlie Duke (pointing), and John Young, at the simulator controls for lunar approach/orbit. The picture on TV screen is reminiscent of the pictures we saw on our TV screens. We were told it was the Moon, but the picture showing on TV screen in photograph is not the Moon. It is a camera filming the plaster paris model of Moon.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality.html

Here is the video that goes with the above picture. Watch it in High Quality and pay particular attention to the 'lunar surface' on the screen of the simulator. This looks just like the Moon Landing video Majorion just posted! :eek:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

rodin
13-09-2009, 01:21 PM
That's possible for Apollo 11! But at least Apollo 15 was real! Why? Because India's Chandrayaan-1 Moon craft has photographed the tracks of the Rover in the area.



Cheers! :)

That would be the tracks the electrostatic terminator storms missed :confused:

rodin
13-09-2009, 01:23 PM
http://goldismoney.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78903&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1252841596
:rolleyes:

mikesingh
13-09-2009, 02:45 PM
Ok, so does that mean there's more gravity on the Moon than what we've been fed? If so, then that would mean a fairly dense atmosphere (more than the so called 'tenuous atmosphere' we've been told?), especially in the areas of MASCONS. A much denser atmosphere would mean a lot of things! Could there be a breathable atmosphere on the Moon?

Check out LCROSS that lost more than half of its propellant trying to stabilize its orbit due to gravitational anomalies on the Moon. And what of Chandrayaan-1 which had to be lifted from a 100km to 200km orbit? Because the Lunar gravity (and probably the MASCONS) was playing havoc with its stability.

Now let's see what happened during the Apollo 16 PFS-2 experiment:

Near the end of the mission of Apollo 16, on April 24, 1972, just before returning back home to Earth, the three astronauts released one last scientific experiment: a small "subsatellite" called PFS-2 to orbit the Moon about every 2 hours.

The intention? Joining an earlier sub-satellite PFS-1, released by Apollo 15 astronauts eight months earlier, PFS-2 was to measure charged particles and magnetic fields all around the Moon as the Moon orbited Earth. The low orbits of both sub-satellites were to be similar ellipses, ranging from 55 to 76 miles (89 to 122 km) above the lunar surface.

Instead, something bizarre happened.

The orbit of PFS-2 rapidly changed shape and distance from the Moon. In 2-1/2 weeks the satellite was swooping to within a hair-raising 6 miles (10 km) of the lunar surface at closest approach. As the orbit kept changing, PFS-2 backed off again, until it seemed to be a safe 30 miles away. But not for long: inexorably, the sub-satellite’s orbit carried it back toward the Moon. And on May 29, 1972—only 35 days and 425 orbits after its release—PFS-2 crashed.

All this Moon stuff gets murkier by the day!! :mad:

Cheers! :)

majorion
13-09-2009, 05:44 PM
that would mean a fairly dense atmosphere (more than the so called 'tenuous atmosphere' we've been told?), especially in the areas of MASCONS

Regarding MASCONS, here's an interesting little tidbit we get from JAXA:

http://www.jaxa.jp/article/special/kaguya/img/seika_img01_l_e.jpg

Lunar gravity anomalies. The nearside on the left, and the farside on the right. Red indicates strong gravity (positive gravity anomalies), and blue indicates weak gravity (negative gravity anomalies). The lunar gravity anomalies are different on the nearside and farside.

http://www.jaxa.jp/article/special/kaguya/seika01_e.html

Is it just me or is the far side far greater gravitational wise than the near side, and is this hard evidence that the Moon is not 1/6 gravity of the Earth but rather significantly higher?!

One thing is for sure, there are far more gravitational anomalies or MASCONS spread out on the far side. Which would confirm John's theory about the farside definitely having an atmosphere and being a completely different habitat than the near.

I hate to say it, but John Lear was right about everything!

elton
13-09-2009, 06:36 PM
Here are the Lunar Landing tapes:

Apollo 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QS3JSRGk3o
Apollo 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CEGq2dgqCY&feature=related
Apollo 14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn5enJlqKak&feature=related
Apollo 15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSu4ekXXH-8
Apollo 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMOB6bR1QWM
Apollo 17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okgwvmobs_Y&feature=related

Looks a lot like their fake Moon at NASA Langley.

First time I've seen them all together! Could you post them onto the Apollo hoax thread?

mikesingh
13-09-2009, 06:49 PM
One thing is for sure, there are far more gravitational anomalies or MASCONS spread out on the far side. Which would confirm John's theory about the farside definitely having an atmosphere and being a completely different habitat than the near.

I hate to say it, but John Lear was right about everything!

Beware! This is going to be long! From my earlier thread on ATS....

The Big NASA-Military Cover-up On Gravity And Atmosphere On The Moon!


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Atmosphere/moonandvenussmall.jpg
A spectacular picture of the moon taken by the Clementine 1 spacecraft.
The haze effect is caused by dust in the lunar atmosphere.
Courtesy: The livingmoon

Two photographs of the Moon taken by the Lick observatory a few days apart. The first is pretty clear, but the second seems to be obscured by clouds and haze. This points to an atmosphere on the Moon…..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_1.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_2.jpg
LICKOBSA Lick Observatory, 1946 January 17d 07h 51m UT
Pics courtesy: Thelivingmoon


“...Apollo 8 ... now presently 33,681 [nautical] miles [62,377 km] from the Moon and moving in a Moon related velocity [of] 3,989 feet per second [1,216 m/s]. For the first time, a crew is literally out of this world. At 55 hours, 42 minutes into the mission, this is Apollo Control, Houston."

While I’m a firm believer that we did go to the Moon after all, it wasn’t the Apollo program that was the first to put man on the Moon. Some aspects of the program, probably much of it, were staged and the remainder hidden from the public. It perhaps was a top secret military program that did it. After a little research, I chanced upon an extremely interesting book written by William Brian titled, Moongate: The Suppressed Findings Of The U.S. Space Program. It exposes the greatest cover-up ever perpetrated. The author has compiled evidence from official government publications, NASA photographs and movies, news articles, and books by authorities in various fields.

I checked out various other sources especially the aspect of gravity and the likelihood of an atmosphere on the Moon, this is what turned up.

(In the book) Many aspects of the space program are mathematically and conceptually analyzed to verify the cover-up from a scientific standpoint. Moongate is written for the layman and scientist alike, with mathematical calculations included in the
appendices.

Although absolute certainty cannot be given about the details of the cover-up, the evidence demonstrates that either the contentions are true, or portions of the Apollo Moon landings were staged. It seems probable that the landings really occurred; however, the true circumstances surrounding the Apollo missions and related discoveries were carefully suppressed from the public.
William L. Brian II

It is apparent that the military was and is in constant control of the entire NASA space program and much of the NASA-related information is highly classified. The public was only given enough information to convince most that men had landed on the Moon. The majority of details and discoveries regarding the project were carefully suppressed.

I will only touch upon two main aspects concerning gravity and the atmosphere on the Moon. The calculations in the book prove beyond doubt that the gravity on the Moon is not one-sixth, but two-thirds that of Earth! Can the Moon therefore have an atmosphere? Yes it can and does, and needless to say, the implications are mind boggling!


Gravity On The Moon

Orthodox science has always contended that the Moon is a completely airless world. The primary reason has been that the Moon's weak one-sixth gravity would be unable to hold much of an atmosphere. But does it have just one-sixth the gravity of the Earth?

The fundamental law defined by Isaac Newton in 1666 concerning gravity will be shown to be incorrect when applied to planetary bodies. Consequently, the first attempts to explore the Moon with space probes produced unexpected results.

Evidence from the early space probes that Lunar gravitational gradient calculations were possibly flawed:

• The United States and the Soviet Union started to send probes to the Moon in the late fifties. Most of these initial probes met with failure due to a miscalculation of the lunar gravitational gradient.

• The American Ranger space probes were designed to hard land on the Moon. Ranger 3, launched on January 26, 1962, missed its target completely and went into solar orbit. Ranger 4 hit the Moon but did not send back any useful information. Ranger 5 missed the moon by 450 miles and the whole program was put on hold for two years.

• Luna 5, launched on May 9, 1964, crashed at full speed on the Moon, when it was intended to make a soft landing. Luna 6 utterly missed the Moon. Luna 7 crashed on the Moon when it's retro rockets fired too soon, which is a significant detail in relation to where one assumes the Moon's center of gravity to be located in relation to the surface. Miscalculation of the moon's gravitational gradient cannot therefore be ruled out as a reason for the too early start time of Luna 7's landing rocket motor.

• Luna 8 also crashed on the Moon, but Luna 9 was successful, and became the first spacecraft to soft land on the Moon.

Lunar probes from both the United States and the Soviet Union were more successful after this. This cannot most likely be attributed to some sudden advance in the quality of the hardware or telemetry methods of both space programs, whereas it is much more likely to be a result of recalculation of the lunar gravitational gradient.

Newton could not determine accurately the Moon's mass to predict the Moon's force of attraction on other objects. Its mass was later calculated to be about 1/82 of the Earth's. In turn, the Moon's derived mass and the Earth's predicted mass were used to calculate the Moon's surface gravity which came out to be one-sixth of Earth's. Since the Moon is a much smaller body than Earth, it did not seem unreasonable to scientists that it should have a correspondingly smaller surface gravity.

The Neutral Point

This is a ‘point’ where a spacecraft enters the zone of the Moon's gravity. It is the region in space where the Earth's force of attraction equals the Moon's. The average distance to the Moon is approx 239,000 miles, hence based upon Newton's Universal Law Of Gravitation, it places the neutral point about 23,900 miles from the Moon's center. A number of scientists have calculated this as the neutral point using Newton's Gravitation Law and the Moon's mass expressed as 1/83 of the Earth's mass, though some variations were a result of the calculations based on the Earth-Moon distance as well as their masses.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/21697d34ed65f9e6a4d69909be3e52c8.gif
The conventional position of the neutral point between the Earth and
the Moon, as given in the book ‘Principles of Astronautics’, written in 1965, by
Fellow of the British Interplanetary Society, M. Vertregt.
Courtesy: Moongate

In any case, the range of neutral point distances to the Moon's center is between 22,078 and 25,193 miles with the assumption that the Moon has one-sixth of Earth's surface gravity. But do note that these neutral point distances are based upon Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation.

Most of the writers who referenced them were probably unaware of space program findings regarding the neutral point's real location.
Moongate

That said, let’s see where exactly the neutral point should be.

The Neutral Point Discrepency

In reference to Apollo 11, Time magazine gave the following neutral point
information in the July 25, 1969 issue: At a point 43,495 miles from the moon, lunar gravity exerted a force equal to the gravity of the earth, then some 200,000 miles distant.

Was this an error by Time Magazine? Let’s corroborate this a little further.

In the 1969 edition of History of Rocketry & Space Travel by Wernher von Braun and Frederick I. Ordway III, the following statement is made concerning Apollo 11:

The approach to the Moon was so precise that the midcourse correction scheduled for 8:26 a.m. (EDT) on the 19th was canceled. At a distance of 43,495 miles from the Moon, Apollo 11 passed the so-called "neutral" point, beyond which the Lunar gravitational field dominated that of Earth.

Consequently, the spacecraft, which had been gradually losing speed on its long coast away from Earth, now began to accelerate. Note that the precision of the flight was so great that the mid-course correction was not needed. In addition, the neutral point distance is given to the nearest mile and agrees exactly with the value given previously by Time magazine.

Let’s now take a reputable source, the Encyclopedia Britannica that stated the following in the 1973 printing within the topic, "Space Exploration":

The Apollo 11 spacecraft had been in Earth orbit at 118.5 mi. altitude, traveling at 17,427 mph. By firing the rocket motor at the exact moment when the spacecraft was precisely aligned along the proper trajectory, the velocity was increased to 24,200 mph. Because the Earth's gravitational pull continued to act upon the spacecraft during its two and three-quarters day (64 hr.) journey toward the Moon, the spacecraft velocity, with respect to the Earth, dwindled to 2,040 mph at a distance of 39,000 mi. from the Moon.

At this point lunar gravitational attraction became greater than the Earth's and the spacecraft commenced accelerating as it swung toward and around the far side of the Moon, reaching a speed of 5,225 mph. By firing the spacecraft rocket propulsion system the velocity was reduced to 3,680 mph and the spacecraft entered an elliptical orbit about the Moon. Here the distance is 39,000 miles which is still close to the values given by Time magazine and von Braun!

Here’s more corroboration:

In We Reach the Moon, Wilford indicated that the spacecraft entered the lunar sphere of gravitational influence about 38,900 miles from the Moon.

In Footprints on the Moon written in 1969 by the Writers and Editors of the Associated Press, the neutral point is described as follows: Friday, Day Three of the mission, found Apollo 11 at the apex of that long gravitational hill between earth and the moon. At 1:12 p.m. EDT, the nose-to-nose spaceships passed the milestone where the moon's gravity becomes the more important influence. The astronauts were 214,000
miles from earth, only 38,000 miles from their rendezvous with the moon.

The Moon's surface gravity can be calculated with the new figures shown above using the standard inverse-square law technique, where the only aspect of Newton's Law of Gravitation seems valid. Since the Earth's pull equals the Moon's pull at the neutral point, the inverse-square law results in the Moon's surface gravity to be 64 percent of the Earth's surface gravity, not the one-sixth value predicted by Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation!

The publicized period and velocity values are not supportive of a 43,495-mile neutral point distance from the Moon. They support the old neutral point distances and the Moon's weak one-sixth gravity. Therefore, official information is inconsistent and contradictory, indicating a cover-up. The question is why the real neutral point distance leaked out. Did some of the NASA people try to sabotage the cover-up?

Implications

Now if the Moon’s gravity was 2/3rd and NOT 1/6th the Earth’s, then the additional fuel requirements for a landing on the Moon and lift off under the high lunar gravity become horrendous:

• Firstly, the ascent stage would have to weigh 7.2 times the empty weight, or 34,560 pounds.
• Secondly, the fuel required to soft-land the fully loaded ascent stage would increase the Lunar Module's total weight to approximately 250,000 pounds.

Therefore, the LM would be nearly as large as the Titan 2 rocket which weighed 330,000 pounds and was 103 feet tall! But the LM supposedly weighed only 33,200 pounds!

Therefore it would be safe to conclude that if men really landed on the Moon in high lunar gravity conditions, it was not done with rockets! Was there something more than meets the eye here? Was it advanced technology researched by us or reverse engineering of alien technology? And if the Moon has 1/3rd Earth’s gravity, then it is more than likely that it has an atmosphere too! And if it has, it throws the window wide open! Is it therefore a cover-up by the NASA-Military combine?

And what of the astronauts performing on the Moon having a high gravity? Their display of jumping ability wouldn't even come close to anticipated results. Let’s check out some vids to substantiate this.

Evidence Of Gravity On The Moon

Were there any extraordinary feats performed by the astronauts on the Moon having a gravity of just 1/6th that of Earth’s? No. Well, there should have been considering that a 180-pound man would weigh a mere 30 pounds on the Moon!

If an astronaut were to jump vertically in one-sixth gravity with the same effort expended on Earth, the initial velocity would be greater than on Earth. Therefore, the astronaut would reach more than six times higher. Here we see astronauts jump just about one foot, whereas they should have attained a height of at least six feet! There’s not even one pic that shows this! Have a look at this now….


Running

As shown: Slo mo?

Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage - YouTube

Double speed: Actual?

Jumping on the moon at double speed - YouTube

The jump

Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage - YouTube

Now here’s how high the astronaut should have reached on the jump due to 1/6th gravity. Check out the yellow arrows I’ve marked in the frame grab.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/21d77272df4c868dc169c4cebc77cb9e.jpg

The Moon Buggy

Observe the bouncing around of the buggy and the dust trail. Most uncharacteristic of a low gravity Moon environment! Though the commentator insists the vid was taken on Earth, I feel it was taken on the Moon with an atmosphere and 2/3rd Earth’s gravity! Check out the dust trail. With 1/6th gravity, the dust plumes should have gone some 60 feet high and floated off behind for a considerable distance, but they’re less than 10 feet high and hit the surface almost immediately! And dust ‘waves’ produced in the wake of the buggy can only be produced in an environment having an atmosphere!

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/1446099d8bafd02f589b4c788161e17c.jpg
Notice the height of the dust plume.

Check out the vid here….

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo66TOwxXGQ&feature=related

An Atmosphere For The Moon

• The Moon buggy had inflatable tires which would have exploded if pre-inflated if there was no atmosphere on the Moon! They had their tires inflated with nitrogen.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/7f39e4ca8316c8af62325d33a7407203.jpg
This pic shows the Lunar Rover on the Moon, and there on the
rear wheel can be seen the tire valve for inflation!
Courtesy: Apollo Reality

• It would have been impossible to have a water cooled space suit on the Moon, when outside temperature was already at boiling point of water, there would be no where for the heat to dissipate. But water cooled suits are a viable proposition in an environment where atmosphere is present!

• The Puzzle of the Immense Clouds of Water Vapor on the Dry Moon

The few lunar excursions indicated that the moon was a very dry world. One lunar expert said that it was "a million times as dry as the Gobi Desert." The early Apollo missions did not find even the slightest trace of water. But after Apollo 15, NASA experts were stunned when a cloud of water vapor more than 100 square miles in size was detected on the moon's surface.

Embarrassed NASA scientists suggested that two tiny tanks, abandoned on the moon by U.S. astronauts, had somehow ruptured. Huh? Could they have produced a cloud of such magnitude? Nor would the astronauts' urine, which had been dumped into the lunar skies, be an answer.

The water vapor appears to have come from the moon's interior, according to NASA. Mists, clouds and surface changes have allegedly been seen on the moon over the years by astronomers. For instance, six astronomers in the last century have claimed to have seen a mist which obscured details in the floor of the crater Plato. According to many conventional scientists and NASA, clouds on the moon are extremely odd, as the moon's supposed 1/6th gravity could not hold an atmosphere or have any clouds on it at all.

But now you know!!

So why is NASA hiding the facts and not wanting to divulge the truth? The Moon and Mars may have had a civilization (Mars perhaps still does) and disclosing this to the public could result in horrific consequences. And for another, the secret military space program could be using back engineered alien technology to shuttle to and from the Moon as a matter of course. After all, there are exotic resources like titanium and Helium 3/4 that are there for the taking.

NASA says it will be back on the Moon by 2020, a good 50 years after the last Moon shot. They’re right. As a purely civilian space program, it’s going to take them more than a decade to achieve the technological know-how of the Military space program which has probably been making use of back engineered alien technology to shuttle between Earth and its nearest neighbor as a matter of course! Was the Military-NASA space collaboration terminated after Apollo 17?

Parting Shot!

And here we see an Apollo 17 astronaut making emergency repairs on the buggy’s fender with duct tape (How he did that with his gloves on is debatable!).

Astronauts repair moonbuggy with duct tape - YouTube

Ok. So far, so good. Now check out the pic where the repair has been done. There are foot marks near the fender, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BUGGY’S TIRE MARKS? How did it get there? Was the buggy placed there by a crane? This has nothing to do with gravity or an atmosphere, but shows the hidden side of what NASA did or did not do.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/7b3d0e23fdb46da458cbd4d5dac1b7b4.jpg
Courtesy: ApolloReality

And then what about the MASCONS (Mass Concentrations of gravity)?

The gravity field of the moon has been investigated since 1966 when the Russian Luna 10 was placed in orbit around the moon and provided dynamical proof that the oblateness of the moon's gravitational potential was larger than the shape predicted from hydrostatic equilibrium. Soon thereafter, Muller and Sjogren differentiated the Doppler residuals from Lunar Orbiter (LO)-V to produce a nearside gravity map that displayed sizable positive gravity anomalies within the large circular mare basins. These positive anomalies, located in nearside equatorial regions with low topography, showed areas with mass concentrations (or "mascons") in the lunar interior.

Gravity Anomaly detected by using 4-way Doppler observation data from the RSTAR (OKINA) (RSAT)-New finding in study on the Origin of Dichotomy for the Moon

JAXA announced a new finding of a gravity anomaly for both the near side and far side of the Moon by using 4-way Doppler observation data from the RSTAR (OKINA) with the main orbiter, the KAGUYA.

Until now, the gravity anomaly of the far side of the Moon has not been understood well. The gravity anomaly, which was obscure before, has been clearly revealed through observations by the Kaguya mission. For instance, the gravity anomaly of a basin on the far side is found to be characterized by a negative anomaly in a ring like the Apollo basin. On the other hand, the gravity anomaly of the basin on the near side is uniformly positive over the region such as with the Mare Serenitatis. Thus, the clear difference in gravity anomaly on the near side and the far side has been newly discovered and this fact brings a different story about the structure of the underground and the history of the evolution of the far side and near side of the Moon.

The latest observation data by the Kaguya will play a key role to promote the study of the origin and the evolution of the Moon. In addition, highly accurate lunar gravity distribution data will be useful for future lunar explorers.

And then we have LCROSS that lost more than half of its propellant trying to stabilize its orbit due to gravitational anomalies on the Moon. And what of Chandrayaan-1 which had to be lifted from a 100km to 200km orbit? Because the Lunar gravity (and probably the MASCONS) was playing havoc with its stability.

Now let's see what happened during the Apollo 16 PFS-2 experiment:

Near the end of the mission of Apollo 16, on April 24, 1972, just before returning back home to Earth, the three astronauts released one last scientific experiment: a small "subsatellite" called PFS-2 to orbit the Moon about every 2 hours.

The intention? Joining an earlier sub-satellite PFS-1, released by Apollo 15 astronauts eight months earlier, PFS-2 was to measure charged particles and magnetic fields all around the Moon as the Moon orbited Earth. The low orbits of both sub-satellites were to be similar ellipses, ranging from 55 to 76 miles (89 to 122 km) above the lunar surface.

Instead, something bizarre happened.

The orbit of PFS-2 rapidly changed shape and distance from the Moon. In 2-1/2 weeks the satellite was swooping to within a hair-raising 6 miles (10 km) of the lunar surface at closest approach. As the orbit kept changing, PFS-2 backed off again, until it seemed to be a safe 30 miles away. But not for long: inexorably, the sub-satellite’s orbit carried it back toward the Moon. And on May 29, 1972—only 35 days and 425 orbits after its release—PFS-2 crashed.

”It was Saturday December 9 (1972), and we were in the Moon’s firm hold, about 38,000 miles out and drawing closer by the moment.”
Eugene Cernan “The Last Man On the Moon,” Copyright 1999 Eugene Cernan and Don Davis.

Cheers! :D


http://www.exopolitics.org.uk/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=71&Itemid=84
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Neutral_Point.html
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Atmosphere.html
http://home1.gte.net/poofalow/moon11.htm
http://www.allbusiness.com/defense-aerospace/aerospace-industry-commercial-general/6231012-1.html
http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm
http://apolloreality2.bravehost.com/
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/20080416_kaguya_e.html
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/printerready/science/newresults/dopp-ge.html
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/06nov_loworbit.htm[/quote]

jamesc
13-09-2009, 08:06 PM
Beware! This is going to be long! From my thread on ATS....

The Big NASA-Military Cover-up On Gravity And Atmosphere On The Moon!


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Atmosphere/moonandvenussmall.jpg
A spectacular picture of the moon taken by the Clementine 1 spacecraft.
The haze effect is caused by dust in the lunar atmosphere.
Courtesy: The livingmoon

Two photographs of the Moon taken by the Lick observatory a few days apart. The first is pretty clear, but the second seems to be obscured by clouds and haze. This points to an atmosphere on the Moon…..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_1.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_2.jpg
LICKOBSA Lick Observatory, 1946 January 17d 07h 51m UT
Pics courtesy: Thelivingmoon


“...Apollo 8 ... now presently 33,681 [nautical] miles [62,377 km] from the Moon and moving in a Moon related velocity [of] 3,989 feet per second [1,216 m/s]. For the first time, a crew is literally out of this world. At 55 hours, 42 minutes into the mission, this is Apollo Control, Houston."

While I’m a firm believer that we did go to the Moon after all, it wasn’t the Apollo program that was the first to put man on the Moon. Some aspects of the program, probably much of it, were staged and the remainder hidden from the public. It perhaps was a top secret military program that did it. After a little research, I chanced upon an extremely interesting book written by William Brian titled, Moongate: The Suppressed Findings Of The U.S. Space Program. It exposes the greatest cover-up ever perpetrated. The author has compiled evidence from official government publications, NASA photographs and movies, news articles, and books by authorities in various fields.

I checked out various other sources especially the aspect of gravity and the likelihood of an atmosphere on the Moon, this is what turned up.



It is apparent that the military was and is in constant control of the entire NASA space program and much of the NASA-related information is highly classified. The public was only given enough information to convince most that men had landed on the Moon. The majority of details and discoveries regarding the project were carefully suppressed.

I will only touch upon two main aspects concerning gravity and the atmosphere on the Moon. The calculations in the book prove beyond doubt that the gravity on the Moon is not one-sixth, but two-thirds that of Earth! Can the Moon therefore have an atmosphere? Yes it can and does, and needless to say, the implications are mind boggling!


Gravity On The Moon

Orthodox science has always contended that the Moon is a completely airless world. The primary reason has been that the Moon's weak one-sixth gravity would be unable to hold much of an atmosphere. But does it have just one-sixth the gravity of the Earth?



Evidence from the early space probes that Lunar gravitational gradient calculations were possibly flawed:

• The United States and the Soviet Union started to send probes to the Moon in the late fifties. Most of these initial probes met with failure due to a miscalculation of the lunar gravitational gradient.

• The American Ranger space probes were designed to hard land on the Moon. Ranger 3, launched on January 26, 1962, missed its target completely and went into solar orbit. Ranger 4 hit the Moon but did not send back any useful information. Ranger 5 missed the moon by 450 miles and the whole program was put on hold for two years.

• Luna 5, launched on May 9, 1964, crashed at full speed on the Moon, when it was intended to make a soft landing. Luna 6 utterly missed the Moon. Luna 7 crashed on the Moon when it's retro rockets fired too soon, which is a significant detail in relation to where one assumes the Moon's center of gravity to be located in relation to the surface. Miscalculation of the moon's gravitational gradient cannot therefore be ruled out as a reason for the too early start time of Luna 7's landing rocket motor.

• Luna 8 also crashed on the Moon, but Luna 9 was successful, and became the first spacecraft to soft land on the Moon.



Newton could not determine accurately the Moon's mass to predict the Moon's force of attraction on other objects. Its mass was later calculated to be about 1/82 of the Earth's. In turn, the Moon's derived mass and the Earth's predicted mass were used to calculate the Moon's surface gravity which came out to be one-sixth of Earth's. Since the Moon is a much smaller body than Earth, it did not seem unreasonable to scientists that it should have a correspondingly smaller surface gravity.

The Neutral Point

This is a ‘point’ where a spacecraft enters the zone of the Moon's gravity. It is the region in space where the Earth's force of attraction equals the Moon's. The average distance to the Moon is approx 239,000 miles, hence based upon Newton's Universal Law Of Gravitation, it places the neutral point about 23,900 miles from the Moon's center. A number of scientists have calculated this as the neutral point using Newton's Gravitation Law and the Moon's mass expressed as 1/83 of the Earth's mass, though some variations were a result of the calculations based on the Earth-Moon distance as well as their masses.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/21697d34ed65f9e6a4d69909be3e52c8.gif
The conventional position of the neutral point between the Earth and
the Moon, as given in the book ‘Principles of Astronautics’, written in 1965, by
Fellow of the British Interplanetary Society, M. Vertregt.
Courtesy: Moongate

In any case, the range of neutral point distances to the Moon's center is between 22,078 and 25,193 miles with the assumption that the Moon has one-sixth of Earth's surface gravity. But do note that these neutral point distances are based upon Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation.



That said, let’s see where exactly the neutral point should be.

The Neutral Point Discrepency



Was this an error by Time Magazine? Let’s corroborate this a little further.

In the 1969 edition of History of Rocketry & Space Travel by Wernher von Braun and Frederick I. Ordway III, the following statement is made concerning Apollo 11:



Let’s now take a reputable source, the Encyclopedia Britannica that stated the following in the 1973 printing within the topic, "Space Exploration":



Here’s more corroboration:



The Moon's surface gravity can be calculated with the new figures shown above using the standard inverse-square law technique, where the only aspect of Newton's Law of Gravitation seems valid. Since the Earth's pull equals the Moon's pull at the neutral point, the inverse-square law results in the Moon's surface gravity to be 64 percent of the Earth's surface gravity, not the one-sixth value predicted by Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation!



Implications

Now if the Moon’s gravity was 2/3rd and NOT 1/6th the Earth’s, then the additional fuel requirements for a landing on the Moon and lift off under the high lunar gravity become horrendous:

• Firstly, the ascent stage would have to weigh 7.2 times the empty weight, or 34,560 pounds.
• Secondly, the fuel required to soft-land the fully loaded ascent stage would increase the Lunar Module's total weight to approximately 250,000 pounds.

Therefore, the LM would be nearly as large as the Titan 2 rocket which weighed 330,000 pounds and was 103 feet tall! But the LM supposedly weighed only 33,200 pounds!

Therefore it would be safe to conclude that if men really landed on the Moon in high lunar gravity conditions, it was not done with rockets! Was there something more than meets the eye here? Was it advanced technology researched by us or reverse engineering of alien technology? And if the Moon has 1/3rd Earth’s gravity, then it is more than likely that it has an atmosphere too! And if it has, it throws the window wide open! Is it therefore a cover-up by the NASA-Military combine?

And what of the astronauts performing on the Moon having a high gravity? Their display of jumping ability wouldn't even come close to anticipated results. Let’s check out some vids to substantiate this.

Evidence Of Gravity On The Moon

Were there any extraordinary feats performed by the astronauts on the Moon having a gravity of just 1/6th that of Earth’s? No. Well, there should have been considering that a 180-pound man would weigh a mere 30 pounds on the Moon!

If an astronaut were to jump vertically in one-sixth gravity with the same effort expended on Earth, the initial velocity would be greater than on Earth. Therefore, the astronaut would reach more than six times higher. Here we see astronauts jump just about one foot, whereas they should have attained a height of at least six feet! There’s not even one pic that shows this! Have a look at this now….


Running

As shown: Slo mo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

Double speed: Actual?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29WT2_y1-E

The jump

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE

Now here’s how high the astronaut should have reached on the jump due to 1/6th gravity. Check out the yellow arrows I’ve marked in the frame grab.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/21d77272df4c868dc169c4cebc77cb9e.jpg

The Moon Buggy

Observe the bouncing around of the buggy and the dust trail. Most uncharacteristic of a low gravity Moon environment! Though the commentator insists the vid was taken on Earth, I feel it was taken on the Moon with an atmosphere and 2/3rd Earth’s gravity! Check out the dust trail. With 1/6th gravity, the dust plumes should have gone some 60 feet high and floated off behind for a considerable distance, but they’re less than 10 feet high and hit the surface almost immediately! And dust ‘waves’ produced in the wake of the buggy can only be produced in an environment having an atmosphere!

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/1446099d8bafd02f589b4c788161e17c.jpg
Notice the height of the dust plume.

Check out the vid here….

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo66TOwxXGQ&feature=related

An Atmosphere For The Moon

• The Moon buggy had inflatable tires which would have exploded if pre-inflated if there was no atmosphere on the Moon! They had their tires inflated with nitrogen.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/7f39e4ca8316c8af62325d33a7407203.jpg
This pic shows the Lunar Rover on the Moon, and there on the
rear wheel can be seen the tire valve for inflation!
Courtesy: Apollo Reality

• It would have been impossible to have a water cooled space suit on the Moon, when outside temperature was already at boiling point of water, there would be no where for the heat to dissipate. But water cooled suits are a viable proposition in an environment where atmosphere is present!

• The Puzzle of the Immense Clouds of Water Vapor on the Dry Moon

The few lunar excursions indicated that the moon was a very dry world. One lunar expert said that it was "a million times as dry as the Gobi Desert." The early Apollo missions did not find even the slightest trace of water. But after Apollo 15, NASA experts were stunned when a cloud of water vapor more than 100 square miles in size was detected on the moon's surface.

Embarrassed NASA scientists suggested that two tiny tanks, abandoned on the moon by U.S. astronauts, had somehow ruptured. Huh? Could they have produced a cloud of such magnitude? Nor would the astronauts' urine, which had been dumped into the lunar skies, be an answer.

The water vapor appears to have come from the moon's interior, according to NASA. Mists, clouds and surface changes have allegedly been seen on the moon over the years by astronomers. For instance, six astronomers in the last century have claimed to have seen a mist which obscured details in the floor of the crater Plato. According to many conventional scientists and NASA, clouds on the moon are extremely odd, as the moon's supposed 1/6th gravity could not hold an atmosphere or have any clouds on it at all.

But now you know!!

So why is NASA hiding the facts and not wanting to divulge the truth? The Moon and Mars may have had a civilization (Mars perhaps still does) and disclosing this to the public could result in horrific consequences. And for another, the secret military space program could be using back engineered alien technology to shuttle to and from the Moon as a matter of course. After all, there are exotic resources like titanium and Helium 3/4 that are there for the taking.

NASA says it will be back on the Moon by 2020, a good 50 years after the last Moon shot. They’re right. As a purely civilian space program, it’s going to take them more than a decade to achieve the technological know-how of the Military space program which has probably been making use of back engineered alien technology to shuttle between Earth and its nearest neighbor as a matter of course! Was the Military-NASA space collaboration terminated after Apollo 17?

Parting Shot!

And here we see an Apollo 17 astronaut making emergency repairs on the buggy’s fender with duct tape (How he did that with his gloves on is debatable!).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqgHCN4A0b0

Ok. So far, so good. Now check out the pic where the repair has been done. There are foot marks near the fender, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BUGGY’S TIRE MARKS? How did it get there? Was the buggy placed there by a crane? This has nothing to do with gravity or an atmosphere, but shows the hidden side of what NASA did or did not do.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/7b3d0e23fdb46da458cbd4d5dac1b7b4.jpg
Courtesy: ApolloReality

And then what about the MASCONS (Mass Concentrations of gravity)?



Gravity Anomaly detected by using 4-way Doppler observation data from the RSTAR (OKINA) (RSAT)-New finding in study on the Origin of Dichotomy for the Moon



And then we have LCROSS that lost more than half of its propellant trying to stabilize its orbit due to gravitational anomalies on the Moon. And what of Chandrayaan-1 which had to be lifted from a 100km to 200km orbit? Because the Lunar gravity (and probably the MASCONS) was playing havoc with its stability.

Now let's see what happened during the Apollo 16 PFS-2 experiment:



”It was Saturday December 9 (1972), and we were in the Moon’s firm hold, about 38,000 miles out and drawing closer by the moment.”
Eugene Cernan “The Last Man On the Moon,” Copyright 1999 Eugene Cernan and Don Davis.

Cheers! :D


http://www.exopolitics.org.uk/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=71&Itemid=84
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Neutral_Point.html
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Atmosphere.html
http://home1.gte.net/poofalow/moon11.htm
http://www.allbusiness.com/defense-aerospace/aerospace-industry-commercial-general/6231012-1.html
http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm
http://apolloreality2.bravehost.com/
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/20080416_kaguya_e.html
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/printerready/science/newresults/dopp-ge.html
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/06nov_loworbit.htm[/QUOTE]


Mind blowing information there , to think it only requires an opened minded and "lets dig deeper" attitude and mind set to see things that are not always apparent.Lies or deceits can show themselves up if you approach things in this mind frame.Well done for your efforts and research.:)

venividivici2311
13-09-2009, 09:46 PM
I think of it as this:im reading Richard Hoaglands Dark Mission,about halfway thru.

I didn't research his photographs,but could it be that the photo's in the book wich show the apparent ruins and such have no "faults or mistakes (wrong shadows etc.)"in them,thus being real.

So maybe the pictures with the rather obvious mistakes and faults are made that way to get the eye of the real picture.

If this was a project to fool the entire world that they went to the moon,don't you think they wouldn't think it over a little better than they did now???

majorion
14-09-2009, 02:54 AM
If this was a project to fool the entire world that they went to the moon,don't you think they wouldn't think it over a little better than they did now?

Everyone believes the Apollo program was real. I'd say that they pretty were successful in pulling off the most masterful hoax in human history, how much better does it get than that?

Apollo "theater" ring a bell? ;)

I just recently came to terms, they didn't just fake some of it (which I used to believe like all of you), they faked all of it, the entire program. Just as they lied to us about the solar system, just as they lied to us about the characteristics of the Moon, the color of Mars. Mars is not some baron gaseous volcanic "red" hot lifeless planet, forget those photos saturated-to-high-heaven NASA pass on to the media every now and then. Here is what Mars really looks like:

http://keithlaney.net/SCI/2P227744645EFFAS4JP2629L4Mblueskies.jpg

http://keithlaney.net/SCI/2P127071609-71803color.jpg

http://keithlaney.net/OCI/1P186692376EFF64KCP2289L257.jpg

Credit: Keith Laney

Breathtaking isn't it. The beautiful blue skies, the soft moist soil. They've lied to us all along about everything. Not just some things, but everything.

Best,
M

asha loka
14-09-2009, 03:48 AM
The Neutral Point

This is a ‘point’ where a spacecraft enters the zone of the Moon's gravity. It is the region in space where the Earth's force of attraction equals the Moon's. The average distance to the Moon is approx 239,000 miles, hence based upon Newton's Universal Law Of Gravitation, it places the neutral point about 23,900 miles from the Moon's center. A number of scientists have calculated this as the neutral point using Newton's Gravitation Law and the Moon's mass expressed as 1/83 of the Earth's mass, though some variations were a result of the calculations based on the Earth-Moon distance as well as their masses.

In any case, the range of neutral point distances to the Moon's center is between 22,078 and 25,193 miles with the assumption that the Moon has one-sixth of Earth's surface gravity. But do note that these neutral point distances are based upon Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation.

No they aren't.

Try posting again when you understand where L1 is, and why it is where it is. (http://istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Slagrang.htm)

exuberant1
14-09-2009, 05:29 AM
No they aren't.

Try posting again when you understand where L1 is, and why it is where it is. (http://istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Slagrang.htm)

"Try posting again when you [blah blah blah]...."

You calling Von Braun a Liar?

You are... and there is not any need to dance around it. Get it out of your system say, "Von Braun is a Liar. He Lied to us all, the filthy Hun!"

:)

exuberant1
14-09-2009, 05:42 AM
Mars is not some baron gaseous volcanic "red" hot lifeless planet, forget those photos saturated-to-high-heaven NASA pass on to the media every now and then. Here is what Mars really looks like:,


Hey Majorion,

Here is a treat - I give you Mars, as it Really is:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6dce8b917664.jpg

(This pictures was taken in 2004 and I can't tell you where I got it but it is Gusev)

majorion
14-09-2009, 06:22 AM
Hey Majorion,

Here is a treat - I give you Mars, as it Really is:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6dce8b917664.jpg

(This pictures was taken in 2004 and I can't tell you where I got it but it is Gusev)

Thank you Exub!

Stunning true color panorama there my friend, truly breathtaking. Mars in all it's magnificence. Looks like a cool breezy day there, all we need is a sixpack, a BBQ, a couple babes, and a flying saucer and take that fantastic ride to places like this.

Uh oh, though we better watch out, looks like the thought police are finally here ;)

exuberant1
14-09-2009, 06:43 AM
Thank you Exub!
Uh oh, though we better watch out, looks like the thought police are finally here ;)

But really what chance do they stand here - on this site ?

I don't think we'll have much trouble here. We are experienced debaters from the most debunker-infested site on the net. :D

*I'm just glad I found a new audience to present this stuff to.


This next image is from Earth - Attacama Desert:

http://wwwpaztcn.wr.usgs.gov/rsch_highlight/images/200411/fig1.jpg

And another from mars - taken by Opportunity:

http://marsconnection.net/realmars.jpg

bsmurph83
14-09-2009, 07:35 AM
this thread is kicking some arse. let's not forget what a former Bellcomm (NASA's Apollo planning contractor) employee, told Carey Martinuik:

We didn’t lie about certain things; we lied about everything. None of it was true.

NASA isn't a true civilian agency anyway, it's run by the military/government. civilian only in name. it's as civilian as the Federal Reserve is federal...

and given that the gov is prepared to lie about things like 9/11 what makes people believe they aren't lying in other areas? :rolleyes:

duh.

watchzeitgeistnow
14-09-2009, 08:03 AM
That's the name of this impressive youtube I just came across.. alien or not - it's definitely something!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aecb8b73a3e687c7.gif
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/93533e7c29904521.gif
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/8310adc364f47345.gif
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/e552684dcb981e34.gif

Another structure on the Moon - but then again there are SO MANY!
I'd like to hear what people think this may be - I don't know but I feel it is some kind of monument - looks square like:

the Arc de Triomphe, in Paris, France
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/34177af601275fdc.jpg

or

The Black Stone of Mecca
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/a6d158919ee41e34.jpg

Cheers! :D

*edit to add: apparently its just a illusion of a crater shadow - well it sure got me! what do you think?

exuberant1
14-09-2009, 09:15 AM
*edit to add: apparently its just a illusion of a crater shadow - well it sure got me! what do you think?

Sounds like something that originated with a paid debunker (the ones who see only rocks and shadows).

The image is not good enough to distinguish detail.


Were I a debunker out to shut your little investigation down, I would find a similiar crater and a similiar shadow and post that whilst simultaneously claiming that it had already been debunked.(knowing full well it isn't the case and that I'm being disingenuous). I often find that will stop people like you from pursuing the matter further.
I'd Also slander and attack the credibility of the person you got the images/video from - What debunking would be complete without that...


Let me guess, this just happened to you?

Muahahahahahaha!

mikesingh
14-09-2009, 09:33 AM
Thank you Exub!

Stunning true color panorama there my friend, truly breathtaking. Mars in all it's magnificence. Looks like a cool breezy day there, all we need is a sixpack, a BBQ, a couple babes, and a flying saucer and take that fantastic ride to places like this.

Uh oh, though we better watch out, looks like the thought police are finally here ;)

Here's more! NASA's imaging dept sucks! WTF are they up to? Check out the original image. As red as a monkey's ass! :mad: The second is color corrected reducing the horrendous amount of saturation....

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/9419dfd76d8c72b7c019d1ed7c654cc3.jpg

Color corrected...

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/0d12189345e788812f10170dd82e148b.jpg

Oh beautiful Mars! :p

Cheers! :)

exuberant1
14-09-2009, 09:35 AM
Oh beautiful Mars! :p

Cheers! :)

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6dce8b917664.jpg

Here's that unaltered panorama I posted - I uploaded the largest version to imageshack (it is 1.3 mb):

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7554/marspangusev.jpg

bsmurph83
14-09-2009, 10:17 AM
woah. nice pic, mike.

i'm looking into buyin' some real estate up there some time :D

mikesingh
14-09-2009, 11:18 AM
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6dce8b917664.jpg

Here's that unaltered panorama I posted - I uploaded the largest version to imageshack (it is 1.3 mb):

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7554/marspangusev.jpg

WOW! Is that an original image from NASA?? Amazing!

woah. nice pic, mike.

i'm looking into buyin' some real estate up there some time :D

Here's another one. You can buy here or wanna go for a picnic instead?

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/b3f5803684e628623feb69c3656df013.jpg

(NO coloring has been done on this image! Just reduced saturation and increased contrast)

Cheers! :p

exuberant1
14-09-2009, 11:46 AM
WOW! Is that an original image from NASA?? Amazing!

Yup.

I can't say too much on here though.

watchzeitgeistnow
14-09-2009, 11:57 AM
Sounds like something that originated with a paid debunker (the ones who see only rocks and shadows).

The image is not good enough to distinguish detail.


Were I a debunker out to shut your little investigation down, I would find a similiar crater and a similiar shadow and post that whilst simultaneously claiming that it had already been debunked.(knowing full well it isn't the case and that I'm being disingenuous). I often find that will stop people like you from pursuing the matter further.
I'd Also slander and attack the credibility of the person you got the images/video from - What debunking would be complete without that...


Let me guess, this just happened to you?

Muahahahahahaha!

lmao uhuh!
:D

watchzeitgeistnow
14-09-2009, 12:05 PM
WOW! Is that an original image from NASA?? Amazing!



Here's another one. You can buy here or wanna go for a picnic instead?

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/b3f5803684e628623feb69c3656df013.jpg

(NO coloring has been done on this image! Just reduced saturation and increased contrast)

Cheers! :p

wtf! Why is this not main stream reported? bloody bloody

Mike where about is this area of this image taken from on Mars?

Nice stuff thanks!
:)

mikesingh
14-09-2009, 12:43 PM
wtf! Why is this not main stream reported? bloody bloody

Mike where about is this area of this image taken from on Mars?

Nice stuff thanks!
:)

Here. Just click! :o

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10214.jpg

The image has been cropped and zoomed in toward the middle. Better copy and paste the url in google for the full image.

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
16-09-2009, 02:15 PM
Here's one for the road. This is a HiRISE image as seen with the IAS Viewer....

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/b7039de73f288b95108d1bd31d8b7795.jpg

Like a settlement at the edge of the crater! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-002.gif

Cheers! :)

sexi_co
17-09-2009, 09:36 AM
Sorry if this has been posted before, but i thought it was worth a mention. I was flicking thru youtube and found this. Its well worth a listen. ->

Moon Secrets Revealed : John Lear & Richard Hoagland on C2C (April 2007)
pt 1 of 12

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

:)

majorion
17-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Moon Secrets Revealed : John Lear & Richard Hoagland on C2C (April 2007)

Hi sexi,

There is no way that any one of us hasn't listened to that whole show already, definitely one of the greats. This was before John was convinced that the Apollo missions were faked. Still though, the discussions about Copernicus, Kepler, Moon Mining, domes (Hoagland), towers, an atmosphere, etc.. still stand the test of time as far as I am concerned. :)

Best,
M

majorion
17-09-2009, 11:27 PM
Hi mike,

I'm wondering if you could shed some light on this part I cropped from the image you posted about four posts before mine here.

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/greenbluearea.jpg?t=1253226298

Any thoughts or explanations for the greenish blue area located near the top of the mountain. A bit reminiscent of quicksand, but I think its really moist soil. Or perhaps carefully placed camouflage concealing an entrance to the underworld ;)

Best,
M

mikesingh
18-09-2009, 07:55 AM
Hi sexi,

There is no way that any one of us hasn't listened to that whole show already, definitely one of the greats. This was before John was convinced that the Apollo missions were faked.
M

Yep! Probably most of the Apollo missions were faked, especially Apollo 11. But remember there is an active top secret space program in place that has secret space stations out there as well as reverse engineered craft that have anti grav propulsion systems like the TAW-50, Nautilus and so on which regularly ply to the Moon and back!

I have given the details in another web site.

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
18-09-2009, 08:20 AM
Hi mike,

Any thoughts or explanations for the greenish blue area located near the top of the mountain. A bit reminiscent of quicksand, but I think its really moist soil. Or perhaps carefully placed camouflage concealing an entrance to the underworld ;)

Best,
M
Hi maj,

Basically, these color images are made from 4 band images - three of these are the red, green, and blue color bands. These three are combined, over the much larger and clearer nadir b/w image. So its just the question of adjustment which is pretty subjective at times. Note the garish red band which is turned all the way up on most Mars images taken by Opportunity/Spirit! The saturation simply sucks! No wonder the sky looks red. Some of course, may be due to dust storms but most others are due to the adjustment of the color bands.

Here's your pic that had what looked like a blue depression. But not any more! Adjust the color bands and presto! This is what you get.....

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/110fc9e9a27ea4cf530fa6bb4ed3ba23.jpg

No 'blue quicksand' here!! ;) Just plain normal looking sand with 'waves' created by the wind! Looks more natural, doesn't it? By the way, NO additional colors have been added/superimposed on the image.

Many scientists have contended that Mars could have snow! Check out the image above. Has NASA adjusted the image to wipe out what looks like snow? http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry.gif

Have a look at this image...

http://mars.spherix.com/spie2003/SPIE_2003_Paper_GVL_files/image007.jpg
Heavy Frost, or Snow. Deposit at Viking Lander 2 Site (Viking Lander Image 211093).
Courtesy: Spherix Inc

Cheers! :)

majorion
18-09-2009, 08:21 AM
an active top secret space program in place that has secret space stations out there as well as reverse engineered craft that have anti grav propulsion systems like the TAW-50, Nautilus and so on which regularly ply to the Moon and back!

But what's the smoking gun evidence for that mike? Anything specific that convinces you more than anything else.

Perhaps you have it in your many many intriguing files? :)

mikesingh
18-09-2009, 09:12 AM
But what's the smoking gun evidence for that mike? Anything specific that convinces you more than anything else.

Perhaps you have it in your many many intriguing files? :)

Ok, here it is.......

The Top Secret Military Space Program. The Future Is Already Here!


“And apparently, NASA must be used to convince the public
that our current technology, such as with our very old and decrepit
Space Shuttle program, is the best we have, while our military
conducts space missions with technology that we can only
fantasize about while watching Star Trek.” - USAF Medic, 1980s

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/LMHEarthfiles.gif
An artist's impression of X-20 Dyna-Soar being launched
on top of Titan booster allegedly operated only from 1957 to 1963.
But is that where the American military's secret space
program began, continuing to this day?
Courtesy: Earthfiles

At the outset, I would like to thank Linda Moulton Howe who has allowed me to reproduce portions of her article Secret American Military Space Program? first published in Earthfiles.

I have brought out certain crux issues that would help one to see what is really going on around us. The bottom line is, if this is what it is made out to be, then it is a conspiracy of huge proportions. And probably the US is not alone in this. Are top secret space programs being run by Russia too?

Linda had interviewed Richard Sauder, Ph.D. author of three books: Underground Bases & Tunnels: What Is the Government Trying to Hide? © 1995; Kundalini Tales © 1998; and Underwater and Underground Bases © 2001 in late 2007. I am reproducing some portions that point to the possibility of an ongoing top secret military space program that has been kept under wraps for decades!

If that’s true, then what about those secret space stations that John Lear, Zorgon and others have said are up and running since the 60s? What about Dr Richard Boylan who has given a detailed account of the secret air/space craft that are routinely being flown by top secret projects?

Considering the available evidence from multiple sources, what is the degree of truth in these reports? If it is true then all I can say is that this could be one of the biggest on-going conspiracies.

According to Linda, on November 20th, 2007, she interviewed Armstrong Aerospace draftsman, Michael Schratt, about his research into the question: Have black budget trillions supported a secret American space program that parallels the public NASA? Since then, she has received several supportive emails, including Richard Sauder.

Linda says that she talked face-to-face earlier this year with a career federal alphabet soup physicist who worked for Project Blue Book back in the 1960s. He’s not one of the publicly known Project Blue Book scientists, but he did work out of Wright-Patterson at the time. He told her that back in the 1960s already, the U. S. Air Force had two UFOs, what he called ‘UFOs’ – that they would fly right out of Wright-Patterson AFB. He said they would open the hangar doors in the middle of the night and fly them right out of the hangars at full bore speed.

Linda mentions that Richard Sauder told her that over the years, he got many indications from a variety of sources that...

The U. S. military has its own UFOs and this is just another data point from her pointing in the direction of a decades-long military program of deep deceit and thorough lies about the true involvement of U. S. military agencies in secret UFO and space technology and projects. It’s highly likely that there are multiple, secret, classified, tightly compartmentalized UFO and space programs – not just a single space program but programS, plural, and that the U. S. military and NASA have been lying through their teeth to the American people about all of this since at least the World War II era, if not before.

Extracts from the interview:

LMH : So, you would support a bottom line that there has been a very public NASA space program, which is always in various budget disputes and problems, but behind it there is another space program that is quite real and more advanced than what we are seeing publicly?

RS : Oh, sure! I assign a very high probability to that likelihood that there is a secret parallel American space program, or programs, plural, using non-conventional aerospace technologies. I’m speaking of things such as electrogravitics and anti-gravity along the lines of what Thomas Townsend Brown and John Searle did back in the 20th Century in their research going back to the 1930s and coming up to the 1960s.

Bottom line for me is that my research has shown and the research of others that there is a great deal more to the space program than NASA and the United States military have told the American people and the world. And in all likelihood, manned exploration started much earlier, has discovered much more and has more ancient roots by far than we have been told.

LMH : There have been other leaks from physicists who have said that we have already been to mars in a secret space program.

RS : I don’t disbelieve that. I think it’s entirely possible. In fact, there is good evidence that there was a follow-on secret space shuttle program run by the United States Air Force. In August 1989, The New York Times reported that the United States Air Force was disbanding a previously unknown secret cadre of 32 secret military astronauts based in Los Angeles, who were associated with a parallel multi-billion dollar space shuttle program that the USAF is running out of Vandenberg AFB in California.

This story by veteran New York Times reporter, William Broad, reported that the USAF was abandoning a major space control center in Colorado and a $3.3 billion never-used spaceport at Vandenberg AFB, according to the Air Force.

Essentially, the thrust of the story was that the USAF spent billions of dollars on a secret 32-man astronaut corps and a secret spaceport and launch control center (LCC) and never used any of it! I simply do not believe this account as put forth by the USAF. I believe, in fact, that the opposite is likely to be true and that the U. S. military does have, and has had, not one but likely multiple secret space programs using both conventional aerospace technologies and also unconventional technologies such as electro-gravitic and nuclear propulsion modes.

I believe it is highly possible that the USAF has put up its own space shuttles, perhaps using Dyno-Soar style technology, and very likely using the facilities at Vandenberg AFB that they told us back in the late 1980s that they lavished billions of dollars on and never used. Linda, I think that’s a stretch. They probably did use them.

End of interview.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Deepcold_dyna_final_240.jpg
Artist's impression of the X-20.
Courtesy: Wikipedia

By the end of 1962, Dyna-Soar had been given the designation X-20, the acceleration rocket (to be used in the Dyna Soar I drop-tests) and had been successfully fired. The USAF held an 'unveiling' ceremony for the X-20 in Las Vegas and yet mysteriously, the cancellation of the Dyna-Soar project was announced a year later in December 1963 right after spacecraft construction had begun and $660 million had been spent, according to public records.
But is that where the cover-up of the secret military American space program began and the diversion of trillions of dollars over the next years to finance its operations?

Now, for corroboration, according to Dr Richard Boylan, PhD., the US is currently using back engineered alien technology in various craft like the top secret Aurora, TAW-50 and so on as a matter of routine.

The Aurora is a moderate-sized spacefaring vehicle. The late National Security Council scientist Dr. Michael Wolf (4.) of NSC's unacknowledged Special Studies Group subcommittee, (formerly called MJ-12), has stated that the Aurora can operate on both conventional fuel and antigravity field propulsion systems. He further stated that the Aurora can travel to the Moon.

The Lockheed-Martin X-33A military spaceplane is a prototype of Lockheed's other spaceplane, the single-stage-to-orbit reuseable aerospace vehicle, the National SpacePlane. It is possible that what I have called the X-33A is the Aurora craft which Dr. Wolf described.

The Nautilus is another space- faring craft, a secret military spacecraft which operates by magnetic pulsing. It operates out of the unacknowledged new headquarters of the U.S. Space Command, deep under a mountain in Utah. It makes twice-a-week trips up to the secret military-intelligence space station, which has been in deep space for the past thirty years, and manned by U.S. and USSR (now CIS) military astronauts.

The TAW-50 is a mach-50 hypersonic, antigravity craft. A defense contractor with whom I have been in communication leaked to me details of this U.S. Advanced TAW-50. Developed during the early 1990s, the capabilities of this war-bird are jaw-dropping. And the technology shows that the Defense Department did not fail to utilize what it learned combing through the wreckage of various UFO crashes. The TAW-50 is capable of going into space, and does.

Dialogue between Dr. Richard Boylan and Col. Steve Wilson, USAF (ret.), former head of Project Pounce and Director-Skywatch International, Inc :

From: rich.boylan@xxxxxxxxx To: Skywatch@XXXXXXX
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 08:37:56 -0700 Subject: Air Force Special Academy etc.

RB: In the Star Wars City (SDI/01) organizational chart you posted, there is identified an "Air Force Special Academy" (AFSA), which takes its orders from Star Wars City in Colorado Springs, CO. I take it that this is not the regular Air Force Academy, right?

SW: No it isn't the Regular Academy.

RB: Is it AFSA which trains the military astronauts who are quietly sent up from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Ca, while the press keeps the public's attention on the Space Shuttle operating from Cape Canaveral, FL?

SW: Yes, Vandenburg and Beale AF bases are both involved.

How is it that for more than half century since NASA was created it has made no fundamental scientific or technological progress in getting off this planet? Is it because this is just a cover for the actual top secret space program where billions of dollars are being pumped into R & D by black projects? Or where have these billions gone? Making paper planes?

Cheers! :)


Refs:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1352&category=Science
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1355&category=Science
http://www.drboylan.com/xplanes2.html
http://www.drboylan.com/colww3a.html
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle/

monkeyboy
18-09-2009, 05:23 PM
found this site mike don`t know if you are aware of it.

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/

cheers! :)

bulletproofheart
19-09-2009, 12:50 AM
found this site mike don`t know if you are aware of it.

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/

cheers! :)

Some amazing pictures on that site.

majorion
19-09-2009, 01:28 AM
That is incredible information mike. Seals the deal for me. Though I should probably look into Dr. Richard Boylan a little more. Could it be that we have this amazing technology yet have not been able to get past the Van Allen Belt, as JL suggests? Is that notion any bit feasible?

the US is currently using back engineered alien technology in various craft like the top secret Aurora, TAW-50 and so on as a matter of routine.

I don't doubt that for a second, and this is according to Dr. Boylan, who is backed up heavily by the late Col. Corso regarding the same matter. Not to mention Ben Rich former head of Lockheed.

Yeah this stuff is going on all right. But what are they doing with this stuff? Going to Mars, Jupiter, Venus? - I think you're definitely right about the Moon, after all it is only our Nearest Heavenly Neighbor and a source of HE3, Titanium, and other valuable minerals we're probably not even told about.

I think Allan Sturm located some of the bases there for sure:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

As well the Navy Clementine images are absolutely positively a sham, please see:

THE CLANDESTINE MOON AN OVERVIEW (http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2004/066/clandestine-moon.htm)
Report #066 April 26, 2004 Joseph P. Skipper

Best,
M

mikesingh
19-09-2009, 04:18 AM
found this site mike don`t know if you are aware of it.

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/

cheers! :)
Yep! Jo Skipper has been an acquaintance of mine for the past few years! However, I would advise caution on some of his 'finds' like the so called Martian trees that are actually nothing but terrain features that can be observed in the HiRISE images as well as the hi-res versions with the Arizona State University. These needless to say weren't available to him when he made those claims.

Take a look here:

This is the image that he claims are 'giant' trees...

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/019/1-treesfew-67k.jpg

Now for the progressive resolution of the image from ASU...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg2.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg3.gif

So no 'trees' here! Just the usual terrain configurations.

However, some of his stuff is pretty intriguing and he has a good looking web site too! ;)

Cheers! :)

sexi_co
19-09-2009, 10:12 PM
Just goes to show, you can find spare change anywhere if you look hard enough.

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2008/135/06-135-coin-split-view.jpg

Picture taken by the Rover on Mars and available to download from NASA website.

sexi_co
19-09-2009, 10:17 PM
Ok, so, someone proved that the object wasnt moving. Maybe its a statute?

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2008/134/1-134-statue-wide-1x.jpg

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2008/134/3-134-statue-path-2x.jpg

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2008/134/4-134-rolf-varga-image.jpg

monkeyboy
19-09-2009, 10:44 PM
Yep! Jo Skipper has been an acquaintance of mine for the past few years! However, I would advise caution on some of his 'finds' like the so called Martian trees that are actually nothing but terrain features that can be observed in the HiRISE images as well as the hi-res versions with the Arizona State University. These needless to say weren't available to him when he made those claims.

Take a look here:

This is the image that he claims are 'giant' trees...

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2001/019/1-treesfew-67k.jpg

Now for the progressive resolution of the image from ASU...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg2.gif
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Marsveg3.gif

So no 'trees' here! Just the usual terrain configurations.

However, some of his stuff is pretty intriguing and he has a good looking web site too! ;)

Cheers! :)

thanks for the information mike your right about the trees but i think it is an understandable mistake given the image quality or do you think he was intentionally tried to decive?
those better quality imagesyou supplied reminded me of mycelium the roots of fungus or mushrooms apparently the first life on earth?


http://gorillagrow.com/images/mushroom_mycelium.jpg


(March 25, 2003 – Ottawa, Ont.) -- The world's biggest fungus, discovered in Oregon's Blue Mountains in 2001, is challenging traditional notions of what constitutes an individual. The underground fungus--estimated to be between 2000 and 8500 years old--is also deepening our understanding of the ecosystem, with possible implications for the management of Canadian forests, according to a paper by the discoverers (B.A. Ferguson, T.A. Dreisbach, C.G. Parks, G.M. Filip, and C.L. Schmitt) published March 17 on the Web site of the Canadian Journal of Forest Research (http://cjfr.nrc.ca).

The clone of Armillaria ostoyae--the tree-killing fungus that causes Armillaria root disease--covers an area of 9.65 square kilometres, about the size of 6000 hockey rinks or 1600 football fields.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-03/nrco-hfa032603.php

just a thought?

chattanova
20-09-2009, 12:06 AM
Mars Forest Life ?

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/115/forest-life-biodiversity-6.htm

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/19/f_1orbywv00mgm_55be08b.jpg

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/19/f_4v48pnauju4m_a184d23.jpg

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/19/f_5y654ysdt3nm_042dea4.jpg

http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2007/115/forest-life-biodiversity-6.htm

chattanova
20-09-2009, 12:09 AM
Mysterious Spots On Mars' South Pole

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/19/f_plxe9fvygbhm_04743c7.jpg

"Dalmatian Spots" of Mars' South Pole

Mysterious dark spotting on Mars’ south polar ice cap provides numerous clues to the nature of electrical events in the region. But NASA scientists show no interest in the charged particle streams that, evidence suggests, continually alter the surface.

For almost nine years now, planetary scientists have commented on strange events occurring in and around the south pole of Mars. They’ve expressed curiosity, puzzlement and amazement. They’ve offered theories, then retracted them, as cameras returned better images and the mysteries grew.

The picture above was returned by the Mars Orbiter Camera in 1999. The picture shows a “dune field” located at 61.5°S, 18.9°W, as it appeared on July 1, 1999. For planetary scientists such spots seen on “defrosting” polar dunes were a new phenomenon, unseen by previous spacecraft missions to Mars. They came to be known as “dalmatian spots.”

According to NASA investigators, “The patterns created by dark spots on defrosting south polar dunes are often strange and beautiful … The spots are areas where dark sand has been exposed from beneath bright frost as the south polar winter cap begins to retreat.”

This explanation of the dark spots is not sufficient. Many instances could be given showing ice being progressively removed to expose dark surface material. But what is the mechanism removing ice so selectively at discreet spots, often reaching deep into the ice to produce distinct cavities (a subject of the Picture of the Day to follow in this series)?

The authors of the NASA caption write, “…No one yet knows why the dunes become defrosted by forming small spots that grow and grow over time. No one knows for sure if the bright rings around the dark spots are actually composed of re-precipitated frost. And no one knows for sure why some dunes show spots that appear to be "lined-up" (as they do in the picture above).”

Eight years after this caption was written, the mysteries have only deepened. But still we can find no mention by NASA of electrical possibilities. Could electric discharge be excavating the spots on the ice? Discharge frequently occurs in discrete columns, as in the discharge experiment photograph on the left. (Many variations on the basic pattern could be given). Here, the image was recorded through a transparent electrode, and the white spots are the discharge itself. (See “Static and dynamic two-dimensional patterns in self-extinguishing discharge avalanches,” by W. Breazeal, K. M. Flynn, and E. G. Gwinn, Physical Review E, August 1995.)

Is it common for discharge streamers to “line up” in a fashion that could account for the loose alignment of dark spots on the Martian ice pictured above? The authors of the laboratory investigation noted here report that when discharge spots stand in close proximity the regions between them tend to fill in to give the appearance of “beads on a string.” The result is a general appearance of striping, as seen on the left. (On the surface of Mars, innumerable striping effects are in fact among the most perplexing enigmas.)

In laboratory discharge many different striping patterns occur under different conditions. The sample given on the lower left is from a paper by Lifang Dang et al.,”Observation of spiral pattern and spiral defect chaos in dielectric barrier discharge in argon/air at atmospheric pressure” Physical Review E 72 (2005).

The lining up of discharge columns is commonly seen in the Earths auroras (north polar aurora below left, and Aurora Australis below right). Of course the electrical cause of auroral activity underscores the logical priority on the study of spotting concentrated in the polar regions on Mars. Of the known physical events whose effects on surface materials can be studied, is there anything other than electric discharge that can account for the details observed on the Martian surface? In the case of Earth’s aurora, the atmosphere serves to insulate the surface substantially from the discharge activity of the aurora. But this is certainly not the case with the planet Mars, whose rarified, but electrified atmosphere would be more accurately called a plasma. Moreover, as we've noted in discussing global dust storms on Mars, the planet’s elliptical orbit means that it travels much farther through the radial electric field of the Sun, adding greatly to the potential for electrical activity on the planet.

Until the cause of the dark spots on the ice is explained, it is not rational to separate this issue from equally enigmatic dark spots observed elsewhere on the planet’s surface--as on the “sand dunes” of Russell Crater observed in earlier Pictures of the Day. Surely, in a search for answers, one cannot justify ignoring similar unexplained patterns just because of a dubious theoretical assumption (“no electricity in space”).

In this TPOD series, we intend to show that by simply following a line of electrical investigation that NASA has ignored, one Martian mystery after another will find its logical explanation.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/20...ationspots.htm

chattanova
20-09-2009, 12:17 AM
Weird Creatures On Mars!?

*from an older thread on -ats- http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread347595/pg1 & http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/index.htm


http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2/9/19/f_qxlhxe7vwovm_bfd8908.jpg

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/19/f_mqugqlke3qum_a9fc23d.jpg

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/19/f_or51k7ghc3xm_a2985e8.jpg

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/19/f_qxlhw755ynrm_72112c0.jpg

majorion
20-09-2009, 01:41 AM
How about, Water, on Mars?

Where there is Water there is Life.

http://keithlaney.net/HellasWatershed/M0404175iceflows_sinks.jpg
Credit: Keith Laney

http://keithlaney.net/HellasWatershed/PIA09028watershed.jpg
Credit: Keith Laney

http://keithlaney.net/HellasWatershed/nasagetsit.JPG
"This is a model to explain a process that might have led to the
formation of newly discovered features on Mars that suggest there
may be current sources of liquid water at or near the surface.
The model shows how it would be possible for water to flow down
the gullies instead of just boiling off the surface. When water
evaporates it cools the ground, which would cause the water
behind the initial seepage site to freeze. This would result in
pressure building up behind an 'ice dam'. Ultimately, the dam
would break and send a flood down the gully." -Ken Edgett, MSSS

http://keithlaney.net/HellasWatershed.html


Best,
M

chattanova
20-09-2009, 03:53 PM
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_q9bxbrtggk8m_feae607.gif

There is water ice on Mars within reach of the Mars Phoenix Lander, NASA scientists announced Thursday.

Photographic evidence settles the debate over the nature of the white material seen in photographs sent back by the craft. As seen in lower left of this image, chunks of the ice sublimed (changed directly from solid to gas) over the course of four days, after the lander's digging exposed them.

"It must be ice," said the Phoenix Lander's lead investigator, Peter Smith. "These little clumps completely disappearing over the course of a few days, that is perfect evidence that it's ice."

The confirmation that water ice exists in the area directly surrounding the lander is big and good news for the Martian mission. NASA's stated goal for the Mars Phoenix was to find exactly this -- water ice -- and then analyze it. With the latest news, the first step is accomplished. All that's left now is to get the water into the Phoenix's instruments, a task which has occasionally proven more difficult than anticipated.

Still, this is the best opportunity that humanity has ever had to analyze extraterrestrial water in any form. That had the Phoenix Lander's persona fired up.

"Are you ready to celebrate? Well, get ready: We have ICE!!!!! Yes, ICE, *WATER ICE* on Mars! w00t!!! Best day ever!!" the Mars Phoenix Lander tweeted at about 5:15 pm.

Their suspicions about water ice beneath the surface of Mars confirmed, scientists and the world will have renewed interest in the outcome of the soil analyses currently being conducted by the lander.

The samples are being examined for traces of organic molecules, among other substances, but the lander does not have instruments that could directly detect life.

See the full announcement from NASA.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/mars-phoenix-tw/

chattanova
20-09-2009, 04:18 PM
http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/9/20/f_15g0vlr91bm_e757d86.jpg

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread375105/pg1

* comparison; Sliding Rocks phenomenon (Death Valley)

Moving Rocks - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHJKKdEo8TQ&feature=player_embedded#t=24

chattanova
20-09-2009, 04:22 PM
Mars Anomaly - Strange artifact caught by rover Spirit

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_5la5qk699vom_f132bef.jpg

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1402/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.JPG

http://disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/24487/MARS_ANOMALY__Strange_artifact_caught_by_rover_Spi/

chattanova
20-09-2009, 06:10 PM
Mystery Shadow crossing over Sojourner Rover ? (-97)

Almost a week after photographic transmissions from Pathfinder showed a shadow crossing over Sojourner, unauthorized images finally became available for publication on the World Wide Web.

This shadow crossing over Sojourner can not be explained as a natural or meteorological Martian phenomenon. It has had NASA and NSA officials scrambling to discover who else might be on the Martian surface. One hypothesis is a secret Soviet involvement, another is extra-
terrestrial.

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_mxc4xtc4sdsm_cf2405f.jpg

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_m7dhsh5ashsm_2e661ba.jpg

On July 12, in an incident that NASA and Area 51 officials have named "The Independence Day Scenario" (after a scene in the popular movie in which a shadow crosses over the remains of the Apollo mission on the moon), a similar round shadow crossed over Sojourner.

Timed photographic images of the shadow crossing Sojourner lead to a total restriction on new images being released from Mars. NASA officials tried to distract the public with 3D and Virtual reality shows.
Claiming that Sojourner was trapped on the rock Yogi, NASA officials shutdown the release of photographs from Mars for the second time in the mission and scrambled for an explanation.
The most disturbing element of the transmissions is that the object casting the shadow literally seems to change direction as it crosses over Sojourner. NASA officials doubt that any natural or meteorological phenomenon could explain the Martian shadow.
"It was just too weird," said my unnamed source at NASA. "The way the shadow crossed over Sojourner indicated that Sojourner itself was under observation, almost as though another probe were photographing our mission."
Two explanations forwarded were that the Soviets had already established a secret Martian base for its own probe, and that an extraterrestrial civilization had established a base for studying earth and was now interested in Pathfinder.
The Soviet hypothesis proved weak from the beginning, and fell under increasing fire as their space station MIR developed more and more problems through the week. By July 14, new photographs indicated the involvement of non-human observers.

http://www.totalthinker.com/Mars/id4/id4.html

mikesingh
21-09-2009, 06:19 AM
thanks for the information mike your right about the trees but i think it is an understandable mistake given the image quality or do you think he was intentionally tried to decive?
those better quality imagesyou supplied reminded me of mycelium the roots of fungus or mushrooms apparently the first life on earth?


I do not think anyone was trying to deceive on purpose. Probably injecting some sensationalism into the mix to become more 'popular' with the anomaly crowd!

Anyway that's an interesting theory you brought out! :rolleyes: It's quite possible. But those 'spokes' reminded me of ice thrusting and dendrite frosting patterns - and that's what they turned out to be after all! ;)

Cheers! :)

rynath
21-09-2009, 06:41 AM
Mystery Shadow crossing over Sojourner Rover ? (-97)

Wow, what are the odds with the entire planet that a shadow passes directly over the tiny rover? It seems like an intentional act. Maybe they were checking the rover out.

mikesingh
21-09-2009, 07:02 AM
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_q9bxbrtggk8m_feae607.gif

There is water ice on Mars within reach of the Mars Phoenix Lander, NASA scientists announced Thursday.

Photographic evidence settles the debate over the nature of the white material seen in photographs sent back by the craft. As seen in lower left of this image, chunks of the ice sublimed (changed directly from solid to gas) over the course of four days, after the lander's digging exposed them.


Very interesting! This reminds me of what the MECA Microscope on the Phoenix Lander (that includes Optical and Atomic Force microscopes) found during analysis.

Here’s a one second continuous loop animated image I received in an email some time ago…

http://www.martianlifeforms.com/images/ani.gif
Anim Courtesy: Stuart Atkinson and
ElkGroveDan of Unmannedspaceflight

Notice the movement of the ‘dust grains’ seen in several different close-ups of the same pile of dust. Are these dust particles being disturbed due to wind? But wind inside the OM? Unlikely. Or could it be due to some magnetic effects on the particles or vibrations of the motors that are making them move? Notice that particles outside the 'square' do not show any 'movement'. Lastly, could they be living organisms?

I personally feel it could be due to vibration. But all said and done, this is pretty fascinating!

Cheers! :)

relax
21-09-2009, 02:28 PM
mystery shadow crossing over sojourner rover ? (-97)

wow!

chattanova
21-09-2009, 04:20 PM
Very interesting! This reminds me of what the MECA Microscope on the Phoenix Lander (that includes Optical and Atomic Force microscopes) found during analysis.

Here’s a one second continuous loop animated image I received in an email some time ago…

http://www.martianlifeforms.com/images/ani.gif
Anim Courtesy: Stuart Atkinson and
ElkGroveDan of Unmannedspaceflight

Notice the movement of the ‘dust grains’ seen in several different close-ups of the same pile of dust. Are these dust particles being disturbed due to wind? But wind inside the OM? Unlikely. Or could it be due to some magnetic effects on the particles or vibrations of the motors that are making them move? Notice that particles outside the 'square' do not show any 'movement'. Lastly, could they be living organisms?

I personally feel it could be due to vibration. But all said and done, this is pretty fascinating!

Cheers! :)

Very interesting mike, yes I don't think we should exclude living organisms either..
Excellent find and what a great thread this is, I get goosebumps from most of the information posted here.

Kudos to mike & his friends :D http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/21/f_d1puxlqnm_6b4d2ee.gif

majorion
22-09-2009, 04:30 AM
J.P Skipper is brilliant. But just like R C. Hoagland, John Lear, and others, there are gaps in their overall presentations and theories just that don't add up, or sometimes they're just flat out mistaken on further examination. It doesn't mean that they haven't presented a lot information and material that isn't genuine or that they aren't genuine themselves, it just means that they're human and aren't perfect and nobody has it 100%.

In the case of Hoagland, while his amazing discoveries like the Shard and the Tower and ruins on the Moon and other undeniable discoveries cannot be understated, he concluded from the evidence that there are massively huge domes spread out all over the Moon, and IMHO he is blatantly mistaken in this respect with his conclusion.

They each have a piece of the puzzle. No single individual has it all right. MarsAnomalyResearch is eye opening. I don't care if the trees weren't actually trees, because it is but a single piece of material among thousands of other discoveries, these people are working with all they got, or all they're gonna get from NASA.

Best,
M

vienna
22-09-2009, 10:16 AM
Bill Cooper had some slides of what he claimed where bases on the moon and MArs run by the secret government - they looked alot like those transparent tunnels

check out behold a pale horse on google video

hank_scorpio
22-09-2009, 04:52 PM
Why do so many people claim that Bill Coopers claims of bases and anomalous objects were fake. The more research I do into anomalies on the moon and mars the more I think Bill Cooper presented valid evidence. It was at the point where Bill himself was not sure if those moon photos were real because its literally too good to be true. or is it?

rodin
22-09-2009, 06:21 PM
Why do so many people claim that Bill Coopers claims of bases and anomalous objects were fake. The more research I do into anomalies on the moon and mars the more I think Bill Cooper presented valid evidence. It was at the point where Bill himself was not sure if those moon photos were real because its literally too good to be true. or is it?

Bill Cooper realised he had been fooled into discovering an alien hoax. He was a convincing proponent of this for a while and that was the idea. Like Gary MnKinnon being allowed into Pentagon computers. Sting operation. MO of Hoaxes R Us.

Now we have 'anomalies' in photos that come from the same secret sources - published by the 'establishment'. Following on from Cooper, you are 'finding' anomalies and building a 'case' for aliens in the Solar System. Maybe unwittingly, maybe not.

We must be discerning here.

edit

My own suspicions is that the Apollo footage was shot on a stage, then later in some barren part of Earth, when blue screen replaced front projection. You can see a transition in picture 'quality'. We once replaced the black in Apollo pics with blue sky - amazing how natural it looked.

Now of course with CGI anything is possible

rodin
22-09-2009, 06:32 PM
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_mxc4xtc4sdsm_cf2405f.jpg

Now then

If this was a true shadow the shadow of the rock would blend with it would it not? The 'shadow' is either superimposed, or is of something ephemeral and mostly transparent, but uniform in consistency.

However, if the scene has diffuse fill in light from above, and a strong single source light, that would explain it if something was blotting out the overhead lighting.

edit

Looks like something superimposed. The larger fainter shadow does not form over 3d structure like rock and solar panel

jamesc
22-09-2009, 06:49 PM
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_mxc4xtc4sdsm_cf2405f.jpg

Now then

If this was a true shadow the shadow of the rock would blend with it would it not? The 'shadow' is either superimposed, or is of something ephemeral and mostly transparent, but uniform in consistency.

However, if the scene has diffuse fill in light from above, and a strong single source light, that would explain it if something was blotting out the overhead lighting.

edit

Looks like something superimposed. The larger fainter shadow does not form over 3d structure like rock and solar panel



Now you have pointed that out after slowing it down for several views of the objects shadow i think i see a sort of ripple effect in the unknown objects or sources casting shadow when just before it reaches the stationary Mars buggy/probe.Could this unknown object/source be casting a new form of shadow that can manipulate light sources from above it coming through it??Kind of a see through manipulation of light??:cool:

mikesingh
23-09-2009, 05:26 AM
They each have a piece of the puzzle. No single individual has it all right. MarsAnomalyResearch is eye opening. I don't care if the trees weren't actually trees, because it is but a single piece of material among thousands of other discoveries, these people are working with all they got, or all they're gonna get from NASA.

Best,
M

Spot on,maj! No one knows exactly what's out there. Hats off to guys like my friend Jo and Hoagy! Persistence will finally pay off. The truth is out there and damned if we don't get it some day!! ;)

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
23-09-2009, 05:50 AM
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/20/f_mxc4xtc4sdsm_cf2405f.jpg

Now then

If this was a true shadow the shadow of the rock would blend with it would it not? The 'shadow' is either superimposed, or is of something ephemeral and mostly transparent, but uniform in consistency.

However, if the scene has diffuse fill in light from above, and a strong single source light, that would explain it if something was blotting out the overhead lighting.

edit

Looks like something superimposed. The larger fainter shadow does not form over 3d structure like rock and solar panel

This is the original image:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c213/tyranny22/NASAimage.jpg

This is the original image with the "video" shaded in red:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c213/tyranny22/videoimage.jpg

This is the same image with the overlay reduce to 50% transparency and presto! No 'shadow'!

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c213/tyranny22/Overlay.jpg

Cheers! :)



Thanks to Tyranny22

mikesingh
24-09-2009, 10:34 AM
ONE OF THE GREATEST DISCOVERIES EVER! CHANDRAYAAN-1 FINDS WATER ON THE MOON!

Well, this is it! India's Chandrayaan-1 has made one of the greatest discoveries of all time - water on the Moon!

India's maiden mission to the moon Chandrayaan has found first evidence of water on the moon. A joint Indo-US study published in the prestigious American journal SCIENCE has revealed this startling finding.

The new pictures of the moon show blue patches indicating the presence of water molecules near poles of the moon.

Chandrayaan's startling findings have been reinforced by data from two other older spacecrafts Cassini and High Impact, but the clincher really came from the 100 million dollar Indian moon mission which was recently lost in space.

Many more goodies are still expected from India's short love affair with the moon.


http://www.astrosurf.com/~buil/iris/tutorial5/moon2.jpg
True colors image taken with 400, 560 and 910 nm interference
filters. Contrast and hue are accentuated considerably by using
the mathematical property of the HSI space. Yes, the Moon is a
colored object ! That gives an unique very useful frame to study
the Moon geology.
Image Courtesy: Astrosurf

Cheers! There could be alien life out there after all! :)


http://www.ndtv.com/news/sci-tech/chandrayaans_big_discovery_water_on_the_moon.php
http://www.astrosurf.com/~buil/iris/tutorial5/doc15_fr.htm

chattanova
24-09-2009, 03:44 PM
Fantastic!
:eek: It's official also! just read about it at space.com but this should be all over the news, it's obviously not getting the attention it deserves:mad:
(as expected of course)

majorion
24-09-2009, 10:45 PM
Water on the Moon? - They found out about that at least since the 90's with Clementine, here's some current confirmation:

Space probes find water on the moon 2009/09/24
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/20090924160955/Article/index_html

Some of the most interesting parts of the article:

- Water particles have been detected on the surface of our Moon by three missions, including an Indian probe.
- The evidence, disclosed in new scientific papers, overturns the long accepted view that lunar soil is dry.
- They estimate that each ton of lunar soil consists of 25 percent water.
- Samples of lunar rock and soil brought back to Earth by Apollo astronauts in the 1960s also contained traces of water.

And here's the best part:

- “To some extent, we were fooled,” said Taylor, who has studied the original Apollo missions. “Since the boxes leaked, we just assumed the water we found was from contamination with terrestrial air.”


I predict that in another 10 to 20 years we might start being told about an atmosphere, then in another century or two they may inform us of the alien presence. In between, oh, in about 50 years or so Moon Mining will be completely disclosed, and they'll probably have us believe they started mining around 2020, when it's really started from the 60's or 70's :)

Trust me, there will be Tours in the later decades, "come see all the amazing Lunar Ruins left behind by our ancient ancestors". For only 1000 bucks.

Best,
M

mikesingh
26-09-2009, 06:15 AM
Yep! And this is probably what a facility would look like on the Moon, 500 years from now!

http://www.vanemery.com/moonbase.jpg

Or probably it's already there on the far side of the Moon? :rolleyes:

But this is what it would look like to us after applying NASA's famed air brushing techniques!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Moonbase.jpg

Cheers! :)

jamesc
26-09-2009, 07:46 PM
ONE OF THE GREATEST DISCOVERIES EVER! CHANDRAYAAN-1 FINDS WATER ON THE MOON!

Well, this is it! India's Chandrayaan-1 has made one of the greatest discoveries of all time - water on the Moon!



http://www.astrosurf.com/~buil/iris/tutorial5/moon2.jpg
True colors image taken with 400, 560 and 910 nm interference
filters. Contrast and hue are accentuated considerably by using
the mathematical property of the HSI space. Yes, the Moon is a
colored object ! That gives an unique very useful frame to study
the Moon geology.
Image Courtesy: Astrosurf

Cheers! There could be alien life out there after all! :)


http://www.ndtv.com/news/sci-tech/chandrayaans_big_discovery_water_on_the_moon.php
http://www.astrosurf.com/~buil/iris/tutorial5/doc15_fr.htm



Not saying that this image is not the true reflection of the moons actuall colour but why cant we see this coloured detail when we look at the moon in the night sky.Is it just light pollution that is defecting the truer colours of the moon, just a thought.

presence
26-09-2009, 11:20 PM
With a strong desire to believe something, lots of vague images, a good imagination and turning a blind eye to what for example Photoshop can do, you can 'prove' anything you like.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought satellite imagery can produce excellent, perfectly clear images of unequivocally obvious artifical structures on Earth. Yes? If so, then loads of equally clear images of any artificial structures on the moon must also exist. Yes? So, where are they? NASA hides them and not one has ever leaked? Yea yea.

mikesingh
27-09-2009, 06:37 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought satellite imagery can produce excellent, perfectly clear images of unequivocally obvious artifical structures on Earth. Yes? If so, then loads of equally clear images of any artificial structures on the moon must also exist. Yes? So, where are they? NASA hides them and not one has ever leaked? Yea yea.

presence, it seems you need to seek out knowledge by trying to get it from behind-the-scenes sources and not what NASA/ESA etc dish out to the MSM!

That said, do you imply that what what we're seeing in MANY Moon/Mars photographs is not tampered with in any way whatsoever by NASA's imaging section? I can show you any number of images with blatant tampering to hide what they don't want you to see!

And then, I'm sure you must have heard of the the naval Deep Space Program Science Experiment (DSPSE) and NASA, known as Clementine? Fantastic resolution images! Well, 400,000 images have not yet been released to the public. Why? Because they're too sensitive and have info that you can never be privy to!

Please don't be so naive as to imagine for a moment that all what NASA/ESA are showing is the truth and nothing but the truth! NASA as you know is mostly run by the Military and they know how to keep secrets. Ask me. I know! And also, are you aware that all space orgs including NASA, ESA, ISRO, JAXA, CSA etc are all in cahoots working under one umbrella?

Cheers! :)

citroen999
27-09-2009, 11:15 AM
nice video ... a must watch for anyone :eek:

a few months ago i watched UFO: greatest story ever denied pt1 and was blown away by all footage...

up until then i was in the moon landing hoax club but just by listening to man in that movie i totally changed my view. He said something along the lines of " i believe we went to the moon and it wasnt a hoax, but when we got there and found out what was actually on the moon we got out as quick as we could" :eek::eek::eek:

that sentence alone was a light bulb moment for me just like the first time i saw 911 conspiracy on google and got on board that train and realised that things are not what they seem :eek:

as i said i have been a moon hoax landing believer but now i am a "whats actually being hidden on the moon" theorist

when you actually stop and think about it its so obvious, why do nasa always portray the moon a colourless planet yet all the others are colourful...

wake up!!


heres a link to part one http://www.esoterictube.com/category/aliens

jamesc
27-09-2009, 01:16 PM
Anyone got any thoughts on my question below, sorry for being impatient but does anyone have a clue to how the moon appears with no colour resolution in the night sky??

MY QUESTION.
"Not saying that this image is not the true reflection of the moons actuall colour but why cant we see this coloured detail when we look at the moon in the night sky.Is it just light pollution that is defecting the truer colours of the moon, just a thought."

citroen999
27-09-2009, 01:27 PM
Anyone got any thoughts on my question below, sorry for being impatient but does anyone have a clue to how the moon appears with no colour resolution in the night sky??

MY QUESTION.
"Not saying that this image is not the true reflection of the moons actuall colour but why cant we see this coloured detail when we look at the moon in the night sky.Is it just light pollution that is defecting the truer colours of the moon, just a thought."

probably something to do with distance maybe :confused::confused:

turn you question around and imagine looking at the earth... looks like a blue and white ball... but nothing like that when you get closer

so the closer you get the more detail and colour you see....

other than that i dunno... :confused:

jamesc
27-09-2009, 02:15 PM
probably something to do with distance maybe :confused::confused:

turn you question around and imagine looking at the earth... looks like a blue and white ball... but nothing like that when you get closer

so the closer you get the more detail and colour you see....

other than that i dunno... :confused:

Cheers for the reply, i did have that in mind that it could be something to do with distance.Cheers.

presence
27-09-2009, 11:23 PM
presence, it seems you need to seek out knowledge by trying to get it from behind-the-scenes sources and not what NASA/ESA etc dish out to the MSM!

That said, do you imply that what what we're seeing in MANY Moon/Mars photographs is not tampered with in any way whatsoever by NASA's imaging section? I can show you any number of images with blatant tampering to hide what they don't want you to see!

And then, I'm sure you must have heard of the the naval Deep Space Program Science Experiment (DSPSE) and NASA, known as Clementine? Fantastic resolution images! Well, 400,000 images have not yet been released to the public. Why? Because they're too sensitive and have info that you can never be privy to!

Please don't be so naive as to imagine for a moment that all what NASA/ESA are showing is the truth and nothing but the truth! NASA as you know is mostly run by the Military and they know how to keep secrets. Ask me. I know! And also, are you aware that all space orgs including NASA, ESA, ISRO, JAXA, CSA etc are all in cahoots working under one umbrella?

Cheers! :)
Of course NASA tampers with photos. But it seems odd to me that not one clear untampered-with picture of an unequivocally obvious artificial structure, on the moon say, has never leaked out. That was my point.

It seems in fact naive to think that not one ever did leak out. I read of towers, domes, dishes and other structures on the moon for example. But never do I see anything like as clear an image of such things as I see of structures on Earth. And the moon doesn't even have an atmosphere to interfere with the photography!

Obviously, if there is an alien base on the moon, then we must have by now very many very clear images of that base.

The vaguely suggestive images of possible structures on the moon don't convince me of anything. And it surprises me that they convince anyone of anything.

majorion
28-09-2009, 12:31 AM
a few months ago i watched UFO: greatest story ever denied pt1 and was blown away by all footage...

up until then i was in the moon landing hoax club but just by listening to man in that movie i totally changed my view. He said something along the lines of " i believe we went to the moon and it wasnt a hoax, but when we got there and found out what was actually on the moon we got out as quick as we could"

Hi citroen999,

You should definitely watch Moon Rising (UFO: greatest story ever denied pt 2)... Jose Escamilla has uploaded it to Youtube for free, he wants everyone to see it.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Moon Rising Part 2 - YouTube

Moon Rising Part 3 - YouTube

Moon Rising Part 4 - YouTube

Moon Rising Part 5 - YouTube

Moon Rising Part 6 - YouTube

Moon Rising Part 7 - YouTube

Moon Rising Part 8 - YouTube

Moon Rising Part 9 - YouTube

It's eye opening. I sincerely recommend it.


Best,
M

majorion
28-09-2009, 12:38 AM
Anyone got any thoughts on my question below, sorry for being impatient but does anyone have a clue to how the moon appears with no colour resolution in the night sky??


Hi jamesc,

One reason could be that our planet's atmosphere obfuscates the true color of the Moon. As well as distance.

Some of the Apollo images appear colorless, specifically the Orbital images. My suggestion would be to look for a high quality Hasselblad Color image, it seems devoid of any color at first, but if you turn down the gamma (brightness) and turn up the contrast just a bit, even without any additional editing or colorization, you'll clearly see the true color of the Moon.

Best,
M

majorlee
28-09-2009, 02:07 AM
Obviously, if there is an alien base on the moon, then we must have by now very many very clear images of that base.

The vaguely suggestive images of possible structures on the moon don't convince me of anything. And it surprises me that they convince anyone of anything.

maybe the base owners have technology to hide them quite well too?

lots human technology has made great advances in invisibilty to the eye/camera

just a fleeting thought i wanted to add after reading your comment :)

love x

stockstalker
28-09-2009, 03:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTWsoBvMQwo&feature=related

What exactly is the vector symbol talked about in Part 6? The video never quite explained it.

majorion
28-09-2009, 04:48 AM
What exactly is the vector symbol talked about in Part 6? The video never quite explained it.

Hi stockstalker,

I don't think the meaning of the symbol is so important. What's more significant is that it proves that all the space agencies in the world are in cahoots with each other. They all have that vector in their official symbols. Interestingly, even Lockheed.

So when people say that NASA can't fool the other agencies, I would say that they're all in it together anyway, they wouldn't need to fool anyone else.

Best,
M

majorion
28-09-2009, 04:49 AM
It seems very difficult to find color images of the Moon. However here we have Apollo image number: AS08-14-2453

On the Lunar Planetary Institute website, in the Apollo resources section, here's the image on display:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS08/14/2453.jpg

Here is the image data:
Image Collection: 70mm Hasselblad
Mission: 8
Magazine: 14
Magazine Letter: B
Latitude / Longitude: 12.3° S / 113° E
Lens Focal Length: 250 mm
Description: FARSIDE
Film Type: SO-368
Film Width: 70 mm
Film Color: color

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS08-14-2453


Now just out of curiosity, if one wishes to take a closer look, they will need a higher resolution image of course, and interestingly although LPI are one of the few well known sites for scanning and collecting these large amounts of high quality images for display, there is no higher resolution for this particular image, among others as well. But let us focus a little on this shall we.

In search of a bigger better quality image, I looked it up straight on one of NASA's webpages, and here we have the same image, with the same photo number: AS08-14-2453, but it's a completely different image, or at least an alteration of color, quite visibly.

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo8/lores/as08-14-2453.jpg

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo8/html/as08-14-2453.html

But fortunately, they do have somewhat of a larger picture, something a bit better. 1.6mb would help a little.

As you can see, the one on NASA's website seems completely devoid of color, even though we can confirm from LPI that this is a color image.

In the below image, I took the NASA photograph and decreased the Gamma (or Brightness) and upped the Contrast just a little. Without any colorization or any airbrushing of any sort, infact I did this with my simple picture viewer (XNview), the result is astounding, we can see all sorts of color in this photo:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/as08-14-24530-contrast-gamma.jpg

Remember, no colorization whatsoever, just turn down NASA's excessive brightness, up the contrast a little, you can do this yourself. The Moon is not gray, it's not colorless. And ask yourself, why does this same photo look so different on one website than the other?


Best,
M

stockstalker
28-09-2009, 05:05 AM
Hi stockstalker,

I don't think the meaning of the symbol is so important. What's more significant is that it proves that all the space agencies in the world are in cahoots with each other. They all have that vector in their official symbols. Interestingly, even Lockheed.

So when people say that NASA can't fool the other agencies, I would say that they're all in it together anyway, they wouldn't need to fool anyone else.

Best,
M

Hello majorion,

Yes, I can see where you're coming. Yes, they are all "in on it". It's only unfortunate the video made it seem like the various space agencies and countries are competing with each other. But still-------- I'm shocked to see the same symbols in the old paintings. I wonder what esoteric significance lies behind the vector symbol. I guess as ordinary folks, we might never know.

stockstalker
28-09-2009, 05:10 AM
In the below image, I took the NASA photograph and decreased the Gamma (or Brightness) and upped the Contrast just a little. Without any colorization or any airbrushing of any sort, infact I did this with my simple picture viewer (XNview), the result is astounding, we can see all sorts of color in this photo:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/as08-14-24530-contrast-gamma.jpg

Remember, no colorization whatsoever, just turn down NASA's excessive brightness, up the contrast a little, you can do this yourself. The Moon is not gray, it's not colorless. And ask yourself, why does this same photo look so different on one website than the other?


Best,
M

Good job on the pic. Those craters full of light look really eerie.

mikesingh
28-09-2009, 06:41 AM
MY QUESTION.
"Not saying that this image is not the true reflection of the moons actuall colour but why cant we see this coloured detail when we look at the moon in the night sky.Is it just light pollution that is defecting the truer colours of the moon, just a thought."

So you wanna see what the Moon actually looks like? Ok, here it is in TRUE color:

Warning the big picture is 15 megabytes, but well worth it. The 100% image is over 90 megabytes and is not currently available for release for copyright reasons.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/mooncolor.jpg
Image Credit: NASA/JPL/Galileo Spacecraft
and Pegasus Research Consortium

And the Moon's image below has been taken by Mike Deegan from the UK. The image has been brightened and is a composite of 170 separate images and has been assembled so that you cannot see the separation lines as the images are overlapped.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Mooncolor2.jpg
Courtesy: Pegasus Research Consortium


Lots o' colors, what? Who says the Moon is a dull grey?

Cheers! :)

presence
28-09-2009, 08:32 AM
maybe the base owners have technology to hide them quite well too?

lots human technology has made great advances in invisibilty to the eye/camera

just a fleeting thought i wanted to add after reading your comment :)

love x
Yes, maybe they're well hidden, like the fairies at the bottom of the garden, and Father Christmas. They hide so well you never see 'em.

cryst4l
28-09-2009, 11:21 AM
So you wanna see what the Moon actually looks like? Ok, here it is in TRUE color:

Warning the big picture is 15 megabytes, but well worth it. The 100% image is over 90 megabytes and is not currently available for release for copyright reasons.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/mooncolor.jpg
Image Credit: NASA/JPL/Galileo Spacecraft
and Pegasus Research Consortium

And the Moon's image below has been taken by Mike Deegan from the UK. The image has been brightened and is a composite of 170 separate images and has been assembled so that you cannot see the separation lines as the images are overlapped.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Mooncolor2.jpg
Courtesy: Pegasus Research Consortium


Lots o' colors, what? Who says the Moon is a dull grey?

Cheers! :)

Wow, Mike thank you for this, just goes to show that the moon is even more beautiful than we are made to believe :D

91181
28-09-2009, 07:56 PM
Hi citroen999,

You should definitely watch Moon Rising (UFO: greatest story ever denied pt 2)... Jose Escamilla has uploaded it to Youtube for free, he wants everyone to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8UHS2T1hc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38kusdWb9es&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuAHHTKfh4I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQ8MUGB0a0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC9UmCxYmlg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTWsoBvMQwo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMMhu16y6c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIL6Zwq_tY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA3L_53uc4g&feature=related

It's eye opening. I sincerely recommend it.


Best,
M


Wow, thats certainly an eye opener, thanks for sharing man...:)

citroen999
28-09-2009, 08:24 PM
Wow, thats certainly an eye opener, thanks for sharing man...:)

np... no longer a dull lifeless grey powdery planet !!! absolute top find :eek::eek: C'mon NASA we want hi-def colour pics of the side of the moon we cant see

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/citroen999/moon1.jpg

citroen999
28-09-2009, 08:34 PM
seems quite laughable now.... grey? yeah right :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/citroen999/nasamoon.png

rodin
28-09-2009, 08:55 PM
seems quite laughable now.... grey? yeah right :rolleyes::rolleyes:
:D

who elsie
28-09-2009, 10:39 PM
np... no longer a dull lifeless grey powdery planet !!! absolute top find :eek::eek: C'mon NASA we want hi-def colour pics of the side of the moon we cant see

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/citroen999/moon1.jpg

WOW! I've never seen the moon look so beautiful! :)

chattanova
29-09-2009, 05:00 PM
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


What is being Leek here?

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/29/f_1lxhc1b89rmm_1fa49a5.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKuHo0m0alg&feature=player_embedded

http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2009/09/animals-of-mars-continued.html

presence
29-09-2009, 10:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKuHo0m0alg&feature=player_embedded


What is being Leek here?

http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/2/9/29/f_1lxhc1b89rmm_1fa49a5.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKuHo0m0alg&feature=player_embedded

http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2009/09/animals-of-mars-continued.html
What object?

Why choose to belief anything about such an obscure picture?

decim
30-09-2009, 04:40 AM
Just an idea, Lambda from the Greek alphabet.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Capital_Lambda.svg/150px-Capital_Lambda.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Lambda_uc_lc.svg/160px-Lambda_uc_lc.svg.png

Lambda (uppercase Λ, lowercase λ; Greek: Λάμβδα or Λάμδα, Lamda) is the 11th letter of the Greek alphabet. In the system of Greek numerals it has a value of 30. It was derived from the Phoenician letter Lamed Lamedh. Letters that arose from Lambda include the Roman L and the Cyrillic letter El

Upper-case letter Λ

* An empty set in mathematics
* The lambda particles in particle physics.
* The set of logical axioms in the axiomatic method of logical deduction in first-order logic.

* Used as a shield pattern by the Spartan army; it stood for Lakedaimon, the name of the region.

* The von Mangoldt function in number theory.

* In statistics, Wilks' lambda is used in multivariate analysis of variance (MANOVA) to compare group means on a combination of dependent variables.

* In spectral decomposition of matrices, a diagonal matrix of eigenvalues of the decomposed matrix.

* In computer science, the time window over which a process is observed for determining the working memory set for virtual memory management.

* In astrophysics, the likelihood that a small body will encounter a planet or dwarf planet leading to a deflection of a particular magnitude. An object with a large value is expected to have cleared its neighborhood, satisfying the current definition of a planet.

* In crystal optics, it is used to represent the period of a lattice.

* In NATO military operations, a chevron (Lambda symbol) is painted on coalition force vehicles for identification.

* In Electrochemistry, denotes the Equivalent conductance of an electrolyte.

* In cosmology, the symbol for the cosmological constant.

* In programming languages such as Lisp and Python, lambda is an operator used to denote anonymous functions or closures, following lambda calculus usage.

* The language Unlambda is a functional programming language based upon combinatory logic, a simplification of the lambda calculus that does not involve the lambda at all, hence the un- prefix.

* An automotive oxygen sensor (O2 sensor) is also known as a lambda probe, sensor, sond, or sonde.

* Lambda is used in art and photography to refer to a digital Type C print or the equipment used to produce it.

* In anatomy, the lambda is that point on the skull where the two parietal bones and the occipital bone come together. The configuration of the sutures resembles an upper case lambda, and the suture between each parietal bone and the occipital bone is called the lambdoid suture.
Lambda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://i35.tinypic.com/2vnjos7.jpg
http://www.imss.fi.it/pompei/tecnica/ete7.html


What exactly is the vector symbol talked about in Part 6? The video never quite explained it.

mikesingh
30-09-2009, 05:37 AM
Here's the real deal! Color images from Clementine. You may not believe your eyes, but here's one that'll knock your socks off! And this is just the 0.1 km per pixel resolution. They've got 400,000 images of 10m and less res per pixel which they have not yet released to the public and never will! Go figure!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/clementineA.jpg
Source: Pegasus Research Consortium

There's more, but later! And then we have only those dull gray images of the Moon taken by astronauts whilst on the surface. This sucks to hell and high heaven! Jeeez! :mad:

Why can't NASA take a leaf out of women with bikinis who expose more than they care to hide? But NASA does just the opposite. Darn!! ;)

Cheers! :)

majorion
01-10-2009, 02:21 AM
Why choose to belief anything about such an obscure picture?

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/1102_h2_base.jpg

LO1-102-H2

Best,
M

mikesingh
01-10-2009, 05:15 AM
That's a nice anomaly, M! Good find! Resembles the one on Mars that shows some structure across a depression which you can see in that youTube vid of mine.

Here's an interesting 'face' on Mars.....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MarsFaceN.jpg

And there are many more!

Cheers! :)

majorion
01-10-2009, 05:31 AM
Richard Hoagland has really got some unbelievable finds on his site. This one will knock your socks off, thats IF you haven't already seen it Mike :)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/barsoom/MRO-Excavated%20Complex.jpg
CREDIT: Enterprise Mission / MRO / NASA

And there are many more eye openers of ancient buried Martian ruins here: http://www.enterprisemission.com/LostCitiesofBarsoom.htm

Cheers,
M

mikesingh
01-10-2009, 02:19 PM
Yep! Some of them are pretty amazing finds! I liked the one you posted above, the best!

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
02-10-2009, 07:32 AM
Here's something very interesting! More tracks on the Moon! Check it out...I've marked the track with yellow arrows.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/MoonTracks.jpg
Source: Pegasus Research Consortium.
Originally found by ArMaP.

Rolling stone? Not a chance! How could it go into craters and out the steep slopes again unless it had some indigenous power system?

Compare this with the other rolling stones on Mars and the resemblance is uncanny!

Cheers! :)



http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M101291859

exuberant1
02-10-2009, 07:43 AM
Check out this find,

I got a very high-res version of as08-13-2244, and in it I found this:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5783/lukesmoonfind.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/i/lukesmoonfind.jpg/)

majorion
02-10-2009, 10:28 AM
Check out this find,

I got a very high-res version of as08-13-2244, and in it I found this:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5783/lukesmoonfind.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/i/lukesmoonfind.jpg/)

That's wonderful man. The geometric pattern is evident.

I've been searching for a good size of this image, and all everything I find is under 1mb, very small. Even Keith Laney doesn't have a good one. That tells me that this is one of those photos that NASA would rather we don't see, at least not in full glory.

Could you pass on that hi res? :)

Best,
M

jamesc
02-10-2009, 05:01 PM
So you wanna see what the Moon actually looks like? Ok, here it is in TRUE color:

Warning the big picture is 15 megabytes, but well worth it. The 100% image is over 90 megabytes and is not currently available for release for copyright reasons.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/mooncolor.jpg
Image Credit: NASA/JPL/Galileo Spacecraft
and Pegasus Research Consortium

And the Moon's image below has been taken by Mike Deegan from the UK. The image has been brightened and is a composite of 170 separate images and has been assembled so that you cannot see the separation lines as the images are overlapped.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Mooncolor2.jpg
Courtesy: Pegasus Research Consortium


Lots o' colors, what? Who says the Moon is a dull grey?

Cheers! :)



Cheers Mike for these images, not disputing them and was not intending so in my question on why we cannot see these images of the moon at night.Just curious that's all ,its just annoying me why we see a silvery moon at night, is it distance,light pollution or reflection of light sources that portray the moon as a silvery object.You are right though NASA should come clean on the real realities on MARS and the possible anomalies on the moon.

supertzar
02-10-2009, 05:17 PM
Are there any ideas about what the blue areas are? In the one video it looked like there were glowing blue rings all over the place on the surface of the moon.

stockstalker
02-10-2009, 05:26 PM
Just an idea, Lambda from the Greek alphabet.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Capital_Lambda.svg/150px-Capital_Lambda.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Lambda_uc_lc.svg/160px-Lambda_uc_lc.svg.png

Lambda (uppercase Λ, lowercase λ; Greek: Λάμβδα or Λάμδα, Lamda) is the 11th letter of the Greek alphabet. In the system of Greek numerals it has a value of 30. It was derived from the Phoenician letter Lamed Lamedh. Letters that arose from Lambda include the Roman L and the Cyrillic letter El

Upper-case letter Λ

* An empty set in mathematics
* The lambda particles in particle physics.
* The set of logical axioms in the axiomatic method of logical deduction in first-order logic.

* Used as a shield pattern by the Spartan army; it stood for Lakedaimon, the name of the region.

* The von Mangoldt function in number theory.

* In statistics, Wilks' lambda is used in multivariate analysis of variance (MANOVA) to compare group means on a combination of dependent variables.

* In spectral decomposition of matrices, a diagonal matrix of eigenvalues of the decomposed matrix.

* In computer science, the time window over which a process is observed for determining the working memory set for virtual memory management.

* In astrophysics, the likelihood that a small body will encounter a planet or dwarf planet leading to a deflection of a particular magnitude. An object with a large value is expected to have cleared its neighborhood, satisfying the current definition of a planet.

* In crystal optics, it is used to represent the period of a lattice.

* In NATO military operations, a chevron (Lambda symbol) is painted on coalition force vehicles for identification.

* In Electrochemistry, denotes the Equivalent conductance of an electrolyte.

* In cosmology, the symbol for the cosmological constant.

* In programming languages such as Lisp and Python, lambda is an operator used to denote anonymous functions or closures, following lambda calculus usage.

* The language Unlambda is a functional programming language based upon combinatory logic, a simplification of the lambda calculus that does not involve the lambda at all, hence the un- prefix.

* An automotive oxygen sensor (O2 sensor) is also known as a lambda probe, sensor, sond, or sonde.

* Lambda is used in art and photography to refer to a digital Type C print or the equipment used to produce it.

* In anatomy, the lambda is that point on the skull where the two parietal bones and the occipital bone come together. The configuration of the sutures resembles an upper case lambda, and the suture between each parietal bone and the occipital bone is called the lambdoid suture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda

http://i35.tinypic.com/2vnjos7.jpg
http://www.imss.fi.it/pompei/tecnica/ete7.html

You may be right. The vector logo turns out to be Lambda and could signify the lambdoid suture (ie. liftoff from the skull [Earth]).

I remember a clip from some unknown oldie sci-fi movie where a guy was going (with a monotonous voice), "What is E? What is E?" and the student replied, "Lambda!" :cool:

kimone
02-10-2009, 06:05 PM
thanks for posting those pics mikesingh,the are fab :)

citroen999
02-10-2009, 06:23 PM
hi mike

i have been looking on the clementine 1.5 browser and have found this.. some sort of rectangle anomoly

any ideas??

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/citroen999/moon-1.jpg

rodin
02-10-2009, 11:28 PM
so we still accept this intelligence from the enemy camp as gospell... :rolleyes:

mikesingh
03-10-2009, 05:17 AM
Check out this find,

I got a very high-res version of as08-13-2244, and in it I found this:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5783/lukesmoonfind.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/i/lukesmoonfind.jpg/)

Blistering barnacles!! Looks like some alien lifeform out there! :eek: But, could it be some sort of artifact on the image itself like dust etc?

By the way ex, was there any discussion on this at Pegasus? :cool:

Here's some more strange stuff on the same image....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/moonstructures.jpg

Cheers! :)

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 06:45 AM
By the way ex, was there any discussion on this at Pegasus? :cool:



Nope.

Any discussion would have only been on the smaller version of this image. This is the first anyone has seen of this 10mb version. ;)

This one has everything. It had structures everywhere and tubing too! The best moon image ever!

There is stuff everywhere!

*I sent you the link.

majorion
03-10-2009, 07:29 AM
hi mike

i have been looking on the clementine 1.5 browser and have found this.. some sort of rectangle anomoly

any ideas??

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e81/citroen999/moon-1.jpg

It is exactly what it appears to be. Obfuscation.

I never use the Clementine images, they're way too altered and smudged and airbrushed. You'll find many more of these rectangles and smudges. Sometimes it's black, sometimes it fits the color and is transparent. USGS would say it's just "data gaps", but does anyone really believe that?

BTW, here's the newer Clementine Lunar Map 2.0 - http://www.nrl.navy.mil/clm/
They did a much better job of concealing stuff on that one. It's much clearer. Give it a try and compare to the other one, you'll see what they really did.

And go see the difference in resolution between this newer Clementine crap and the old beautiful hi res Lunar Orbiter images - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/ - As well they were far less proficient with the airbrush tool back then. ;)

Best,
M

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 08:17 AM
Here is another one from the image I sent you guys. (This stuff is down in a crater with other cool stuff)

I added a similar earth structure for comparison:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/08fef4a4603e.jpg

The Equipment on the moon is casting shadows :)

mikesingh
03-10-2009, 08:23 AM
Are there any ideas about what the blue areas are? In the one video it looked like there were glowing blue rings all over the place on the surface of the moon.

Here's a color composite from Clementine. Lots of blue and a black rectangle. Now as brought out by 'M', could this black patch be something that NASA wanted to hide? And needless to say, there's stuff in that image!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Clementine2.jpg

Cheers! :)

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 12:43 PM
Hey mike and Majorion!

You guys will like this one - it is from the image I sent you guys:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/03b84657c13a.jpg


I have so many more...

citroen999
03-10-2009, 01:22 PM
Hey mike and Majorion!

You guys will like this one - it is from the image I sent you guys:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/03b84657c13a.jpg


I have so many more...

???

how are you getting from grey blurry images that may or not be structures and buildings (like your top image ) to full detail colour images below???

venividivici2311
03-10-2009, 02:00 PM
???

how are you getting from grey blurry images that may or not be structures and buildings (like your top image ) to full detail colour images below???

The full colour images are comparisons :rolleyes:;)

citroen999
03-10-2009, 02:14 PM
The full colour images are comparisons :rolleyes:;)


comparisons to what? blobs of grey??? :rolleyes:

as much as i believe that there may be structures up there, i think that the images provided as comparison are a bit far fetched ... :confused:

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 02:31 PM
i think that the images provided as comparison are a bit far fetched ... :confused:

No they aren't. A potential lunar mine is shown next to a terrestrial mine.

My colleagues will appreciate the way I have presented these images.


:D

citroen999
03-10-2009, 02:45 PM
No they aren't. A potential lunar mine is shown next to a terrestrial mine.

My colleagues will appreciate the way I have presented these images.


:D


i'm sure your colleagues will appreciate the way you have presented them, but rather than it have a secret club mentality, how about a bit of an explanation on how you have arisen your conclusion so that us less clever people can understand and support you..

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 03:13 PM
UFO Spotted - Revealed in Gemini 4 DSE Blackbox Transcripts


I have located the portion of the transcript where our astronaut announces that he is not alone up there:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6582/gemini4somethingelseuph.jpg

But wait - there's more!


I also found the part where our astronaut describes the object that he is seeing: "Big arms sticking out of it"
http://img340.imageshack.us/i/gem4ufoarmstickingout.jpg/

They have determined that it is not any known satellite; the nearest being one Pegasus, which is 1200 miles away. However the object with the arms is around ten miles away:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3509/geminarmsagain.jpg


"Arms and cylindrical things sticking out" :eek:

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 03:18 PM
Amazing Excerpts from Apollo Blackbox Transcripts


Apollo 8 - Bonfires and Campfires On the moon!

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9397/bonfiresapollo8.jpg


You fellas will like this next part of the Apollo 8 transcript. It has the astronauts talking about Sunlight being visible before the sun has arisen with glowing light fanning over the horizon and "up into the air".
(air would be a requirement for the fires they commented on earlier and would also account for the glow of the sun)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/302/apollosunriseair.jpg


Apollo 10 astronauts hear music whilst orbiting the moon.

I have just located and joined the pertinent portions of the Apollo 10 transcript, wherein the astronauts can be heard talking about a strange music they hear, along with wondering who is outside...

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2311/spacemusicap10.jpg
(Pages used: 195, 196, 197, - non-relevant Technical data omitted)





More to come.....;)

citroen999
03-10-2009, 03:24 PM
are there just transcripts that you have or any audio?

whats the link to this info?

ta

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 03:35 PM
whats the link to this info?



Here is the link where you can get all of the DSE blackbox transcripts that I am using:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/mission_transcripts.htm

Another Consortium member has produced a few youtube videos using these transcriptions.

There is even one about the fibre-optics that were used for the Apollo mission. ;)

I shall provide them for you below, starting with the one about the fibre optics:

Apollo 11's TV Camera - the FIBER OPTIC LIE! - YouTube

This one concerns the Gemini transcript I have just used:

NASA's Gemini UFO sightings - Astronaut "VTR" transcripts from the days before Apollo - YouTube

This one concerns the Apollo blackbox transcripts:

NASA's Apollo DSE "Black Box" Transcripts - revealing the unscripted truth about the Moon (Part 1) - YouTube

And this one reveals some of the other ingenious uses for the Quindar tones which the public is unaware of:

NASA's Apollo TV Lies Revealed - PART 1 - The Truth Behind The Tones - YouTube


As a researcher, Lunacognita is quite thorough. His work is also accurate - though due to the system of declassification associated with this information, most of the public find it hard to accept. Tough luck for them.

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 04:26 PM
Apollo transcripts continued....

Apollo 11 - "People that live in there probably never get out"

http://img59.imageshack.us/i/apollopeoplenevergetout.jpg/

Bonfires, Roads, Air, Volcanism and People... :eek:



Here is the portion of the transcript where the Apollo 11 astronauts talk about the roads they can see around Moltke:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5551/ap11moltketriangleroads.jpg


This one is strange. Also from Apollo 11.

It has to do with a big "..." in the bottom of a crater and some crater walls that have the appearance of scallops.

One astronaut isn't even sure that he should be taking pictures of the big "..." :


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5260/apolloscallopcraters.jpg



Apollo 15 - There is alot of Green on the moon

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6093/apollo17greenish.jpg


"Before the domes were built."

Now there is a strange comment:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4241/apollo17domesbuilt.jpg


Apollo 12 - ""Somebody messed around up there"


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/60/apollo12messedaround.jpg


Apollo 15 - Another dome Spotted.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/709/apollo15faroukdomeroost.jpg

I like this farouk guy, his ideas also made an appearance during the Apollo 14 mission when the astronauts see some dikes and some MINES!!!!:

"They're Mining It"

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7669/apollo14miningitanddike.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/i/apollo14miningitanddike.jpg/)

citroen999
03-10-2009, 04:56 PM
Apollo transcripts continued....

Apollo 11 - "People that live in there probably never get out"

http://img59.imageshack.us/i/apollopeoplenevergetout.jpg/

Bonfires, Roads, Air, Volcanism and People...



Here is the portion of the transcript where the Apollo 11 astronauts talk about the roads they can see around Moltke:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5551/ap11moltketriangleroads.jpg


This one is strange. Also from Apollo 11.

It has to do with a big "..." in the bottom of a crater and some crater walls that have the appearance of scallops.

One astronaut isn't even sure that he should be taking pictures of the big "..." :


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5260/apolloscallopcraters.jpg



Apollo 15 - There is alot of Green on the moon

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6093/apollo17greenish.jpg


"Before the domes were built."

Now there is a strange comment:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4241/apollo17domesbuilt.jpg


Apollo 12 - ""Somebody messed around up there"


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/60/apollo12messedaround.jpg


Apollo 15 - Another dome Spotted.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/709/apollo15faroukdomeroost.jpg

I like this farouk guy, his ideas also made an appearance during the Apollo 14 mission when the astronauts see some dikes and some MINES!!!!:

"They're Mining It"

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7669/apollo14miningitanddike.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/i/apollo14miningitanddike.jpg/)

wow really interesting stuff!!

so exuberant1 where do you stand on the whole did we or didnt we got to the moon debate..

for years i was a moon hoax believer, now i'm a "we went there and saw something and havent been back" believer ;) ... but after watching something about the impossibility of getting through that big radiation belt i am a bit confused ...lol

at the moment i am thinking we went to the moon, took some photos and came home... i am starting to think we did not land and the whole moon experdition was maybe in 2 parts... a real flight as clopse as we could with out landing and then part 2 was the actual televised landing done in a studio..

what about you? where do you stand on the subject..

thanks for all the transcripts btw ;)

elton
03-10-2009, 05:02 PM
They never went to the moon so all these transcripts are fake.

Van Allen himself worked for NASA on the Project, supposedly to advise on the trajectory of the vehicles. In reality he was silenced, probably by money.

exuberant1
03-10-2009, 05:35 PM
They never went to the moon so all these transcripts are fake.


A large number of the pictures and video from the Apollo mission and made available to the public were probably fake.

The Apollo mission happened - but the public version and the versions for those with the proper clearance are entirely different.

Get this: Jim Oberg (the debunker) just now told me that everything we are reading can be attributed to "guesses at phonetic interprertations of mumbles".

Here is what he just said to me about the astronauts "mining it" comment:

"Transcripts have lots of guesses at phonetic interprertations of mumbles - it bites everybody, remember the stupid "Stay vector" command allegedly given to UFO-observing spacewalkers? -- so I wonder what might sound vaguely like 'they're mining it' but be a geological topic consistent with the context."


:D Oberg...

decim
03-10-2009, 08:45 PM
Can you post the link to the 10mb image?

thanks.

Nope.

Any discussion would have only been on the smaller version of this image. This is the first anyone has seen of this 10mb version. ;)

This one has everything. It had structures everywhere and tubing too! The best moon image ever!

There is stuff everywhere!

*I sent you the link.

majorion
04-10-2009, 10:20 AM
i am starting to think we did not land and the whole moon experdition was maybe in 2 parts... a real flight as clopse as we could with out landing and then part 2 was the actual televised landing done in a studio..


That's essentially what I believe up to this point, I agree. There are two aspects to the Apollo program, the real one that has been kept very much in the dark which only a few select individuals are aware of, which of course includes the astronauts, whom are mostly Freemasons, who better than to recruit people from secret societies in order to keep secrets?

Keith Laney did some excellent research on a hidden mission for Apollo 17: http://keithlaney.net/Ahiddenmission/A17HMp1.html

And the second involves convincing the public that there is nothing strange on the Moon, that there was no reason to go there other than to collect a few samples of basalt and there's nothing there other than a few boulders. Some of the evidence and photography may have very well been faked. There is much evidence that they at least altered the photos.

Matter of fact, and according to Richard C. Hoagland, it was NASA that originally seeded the idea that man never went to the Moon, and that NASA were and are the original proponents of the Moon Hoax conspiracy. This would make sense, because the reasoning would be to keep people from believing they went to the Moon so they don't look further into it and find out the truth.

As for the Van Allen belt, they would not have had any problem getting past it, in my opinion. Van Allen himself said there would be no problem for the astronauts. They supposedly used gold plating to shield themselves from the radiation, or something like that. However I do think the actual 'landing' and 'take-off' parts would have been much more difficult. They probably used some classified technology for that. What I heard is that they got some 'help', if you catch my drift. ;)

exuberant1
04-10-2009, 11:15 AM
Two Apollo 15 astronauts in the LM Agree - it looks like there is snow down there in some parts...

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3884/apollo15lemskisnow.jpg

So we have More Snow


*And remember the "snow covered prairie" from earlier in the mission:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4591/apol15snowcoveredprairi.jpg

"It looks like a snow covered prairie"

AND Both astronauts agree that a picture of this area would make a nice Christmas card...;)

"Wouldn't that make a great Christmas card?"

Reply: "Hey, wouldn't it though?"

exuberant1
04-10-2009, 11:56 AM
You have seen the part of the transcript describing the Green on the lunar surface, Now I present you with:

Apollo 11 Astronauts agree Twice - The moon can be quite brown

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6043/apollo11brownmoongray.jpg

majorion
04-10-2009, 12:10 PM
"It looks like a snow covered prairie"

AND Both astronauts agree that a picture of this area would make a nice Christmas card...

Well George Adamski always said there were snow capped mountains on the Moon. As well as vegetation.

Here's a photo with an area the NASA scientists have arrowed out of interest, this is King Crater, my personal favorite:

http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS10/AS10-30-4349.jpg
AS10-30-4349

The Apollo 10 mission never landed, but I have every reason to believe that this crew indeed orbited and went to the Moon. Just check out the orbital photography, some incredible stuff!

mikesingh
05-10-2009, 06:31 AM
wow really interesting stuff!!

so exuberant1 where do you stand on the whole did we or didnt we got to the moon debate..

for years i was a moon hoax believer, now i'm a "we went there and saw something and havent been back" believer ;) ... but after watching something about the impossibility of getting through that big radiation belt i am a bit confused ...lol

at the moment i am thinking we went to the moon, took some photos and came home... i

Interesting stuff? Man, that's mind blowing! Thanks to exuberant who's dug out the wheat from the chaff!

So you were a fence sitter? Don't be! The fact is that we DID go to the Moon, but weren't told of everything that happened out there. Probably Apollo 11 was a hoax but not the later missions!

As regards the Van Allen radiation belt, it's not a big deal if one is transiting through it, but if stuck there for a few hours , you could be cooked.

There are actually two belts, the inner and outer. The inner radiation belt extends over altitudes of 650-6,300 km (up to one RE). This ring is most concentrated in the Earth's equatorial plane. It consists mostly of protons on the order of 10-50 MeV, a by-product of collisions between cosmic ray ions and atoms of the atmosphere.

The outer radiation belt extends from an altitude of about 10,000-65,000 km and has its greatest intensity between 14,500-19,000 km.

Solar cells, integrated circuits, and sensors can be damaged by radiation. Magnetic storms occasionally damage electronic components on spacecraft. Miniaturization and digitization of electronics and logic circuits have made satellites more vulnerable to radiation, as incoming ions may be as large as the circuit's charge. The Hubble Space Telescope, among other satellites, often has its sensors turned off when passing through regions of intense radiation.

One of the arguments that people who think the moon landings were hoaxed is that the astronauts couldn't survive the radiation from the van Allen Belts, or solar flares, or coronal mass ejections.

The simple answer is that the astronauts passed through the 'danger zone' of the Van Allen Belts in about one and one half hours. The total exposure was equal to one X-ray.

Even Dr. James van Allen stated that the levels of radiation weren't enough to hurt the astronauts when on the way to the moon.

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
05-10-2009, 09:27 AM
i am starting to think we did not land and the whole moon expedition was maybe in 2 parts... a real flight as close as we could with out landing and then part 2 was the actual televised landing done in a studio..

what about you? where do you stand on the subject..


Forget NASA! Have you heard of the Top Secret US Military Space program? NASA is just a cover for what is actually going on!

Here's an excerpt from an article of mine:

The Top Secret US Military Space Program! The Future Is Already Here!


“And apparently, NASA must be used to convince the public
that our current technology, such as with our very old and decrepit
Space Shuttle program, is the best we have, while our military
conducts space missions with technology that we can only
fantasize about while watching Star Trek.” - USAF Medic, 1980s.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/LMHEarthfiles.gif
An artist's impression of X-20
Dyna-Soar being launched on top
of Titan booster allegedly operated
only from 1957 to 1963. But is that
where the American military's secret
space program began, continuing to
this day?
Courtesy: Earthfiles

At the outset, I would like to thank Linda Moulton Howe who has allowed me to reproduce portions of her article, Secret American Military Space Program? first published in Earthfiles.

I have brought out certain crux issues that would help one to see what is really going on around us. The bottom line is, if this is what it is made out to be, then it is a conspiracy of huge proportions. And probably the US is not alone in this. Are top secret space programs being run by Russia too?

Linda had interviewed Richard Sauder, Ph.D. author of three books: Underground Bases & Tunnels: What Is the Government Trying to Hide? © 1995; Kundalini Tales © 1998; and Underwater and Underground Bases © 2001 in late 2007. I am reproducing some portions that point to the possibility of an ongoing top secret military space program that has been kept under wraps for decades!

If that’s true, then what about those secret space stations that John Lear, Zorgon and others have said are up and running since the 60s? What about Dr Richard Boylan who has given a detailed account of the secret air/space craft that are routinely being flown by top secret projects?

Considering the available evidence from multiple sources, what is the degree of truth in these reports? If it is true then all I can say is that this could be one of the biggest on-going conspiracies.

According to Linda, on November 20th, 2007, she interviewed Armstrong Aerospace draftsman, Michael Schratt, about his research into the question: Have black budget trillions supported a secret American space program that parallels the public NASA? Since then, she has received several supportive emails, including Richard Sauder.

Linda says that she talked face-to-face earlier this year with a career federal alphabet soup physicist who worked for Project Blue Book back in the 1960s. He’s not one of the publicly known Project Blue Book scientists, but he did work out of Wright-Patterson at the time. He told her that back in the 1960s already, the U. S. Air Force had two UFOs, what he called ‘UFOs’ – that they would fly right out of Wright-Patterson AFB. He said they would open the hangar doors in the middle of the night and fly them right out of the hangars at full bore speed.

Linda mentions that Richard Sauder told her that over the years, he got many indications from a variety of sources that...

the U. S. military has its own UFOs and this is just another data point from her pointing in the direction of a decades-long military program of deep deceit and thorough lies about the true involvement of U. S. military agencies in secret UFO and space technology and projects. It’s highly likely that there are multiple, secret, classified, tightly compartmentalized UFO and space programs – not just a single space program but programs, plural, and that the U. S. military and NASA have been lying through their teeth to the American people about all of this since at least the World War II era, if not before.

Extracts from the interview:

LMH : So, you would support a bottom line that there has been a very public NASA space program, which is always in various budget disputes and problems, but behind it there is another space program that is quite real and more advanced than what we are seeing publicly?

RS : Oh, sure! I assign a very high probability to that likelihood that there is a secret parallel American space program, or programs, plural, using non-conventional aerospace technologies. I’m speaking of things such as electrogravitics and anti-gravity along the lines of what Thomas Townsend Brown and John Searle did back in the 20th Century in their research going back to the 1930s and coming up to the 1960s.

Bottom line for me is that my research has shown and the research of others that there is a great deal more to the space program than NASA and the United States military have told the American people and the world. And in all likelihood, manned exploration started much earlier, has discovered much more and has more ancient roots by far than we have been told.

LMH : There have been other leaks from physicists who have said that we have already been to mars in a secret space program.

RS : I don’t disbelieve that. I think it’s entirely possible. In fact, there is good evidence that there was a follow-on secret space shuttle program run by the United States Air Force. In August 1989, The New York Times reported that the United States Air Force was disbanding a previously unknown secret cadre of 32 secret military astronauts based in Los Angeles, who were associated with a parallel multi-billion dollar space shuttle program that the USAF is running out of Vandenberg AFB in California.

This story by veteran New York Times reporter, William Broad, reported that the USAF was abandoning a major space control center in Colorado and a $3.3 billion never-used spaceport at Vandenberg AFB, according to the Air Force.

Essentially, the thrust of the story was that the USAF spent billions of dollars on a secret 32-man astronaut corps and a secret spaceport and launch control center (LCC) and never used any of it! I simply do not believe this account as put forth by the USAF. I believe, in fact, that the opposite is likely to be true and that the U. S. military does have, and has had, not one but likely multiple secret space programs using both conventional aerospace technologies and also unconventional technologies such as electro-gravitic and nuclear propulsion modes.

I believe it is highly possible that the USAF has put up its own space shuttles, perhaps using Dyno-Soar style technology, and very likely using the facilities at Vandenberg AFB that they told us back in the late 1980s that they lavished billions of dollars on and never used. Linda, I think that’s a stretch. They probably did use them.

End of interview.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Deepcold_dyna_final_240.jpg
Artist's impression of the X-20.
Courtesy: Wikipedia

By the end of 1962, Dyna-Soar had been given the designation X-20, the acceleration rocket (to be used in the Dyna Soar I drop-tests) and had been successfully fired. The USAF held an 'unveiling' ceremony for the X-20 in Las Vegas and yet mysteriously, the cancellation of the Dyna-Soar project was announced a year later in December 1963 right after spacecraft construction had begun and $660 million had been spent, according to public records.

But is that where the cover-up of the secret military American space program began and the diversion of trillions of dollars over the next years to finance its operations?

Now, for corroboration. According to Dr Richard Boylan, PhD., the US is currently using back engineered alien technology in various craft like the top secret Aurora, TAW-50 and so on as a matter of routine.

The Aurora is a moderate-sized spacefaring vehicle. The late National Security Council scientist Dr. Michael Wolf of NSC's unacknowledged Special Studies Group subcommittee, (formerly called MJ-12), has stated that the Aurora can operate on both conventional fuel and antigravity field propulsion systems. He further stated that the Aurora can travel to the Moon.

The Lockheed-Martin X-33A military spaceplane is a prototype of Lockheed's other spaceplane, the single-stage-to-orbit reuseable aerospace vehicle, the National SpacePlane. It is possible that what I have called the X-33A is the Aurora craft which Dr. Wolf described.

The Nautilus is another space- faring craft, a secret military spacecraft which operates by magnetic pulsing. It operates out of the unacknowledged new headquarters of the U.S. Space Command, deep under a mountain in Utah. It makes twice-a-week trips up to the secret military-intelligence space station, which has been in deep space for the past thirty years, and manned by U.S. and USSR (now CIS) military astronauts.

The TAW-50 is a mach-50 hypersonic, antigravity craft. A defense contractor with whom I have been in communication leaked to me details of this U.S. Advanced TAW-50. Developed during the early 1990s, the capabilities of this war-bird are jaw-dropping. And the technology shows that the Defense Department did not fail to utilize what it learned combing through the wreckage of various UFO crashes. The TAW-50 is capable of going into space, and does.


Dialogue between Dr. Richard Boylan and Col Steve Wilson, USAF (ret), former head of Project Pounce and Director, Skywatch International, Inc:

From: rich.boylan@xxxxxxxxx To: Skywatch@XXXXXXX
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 08:37:56 -0700 Subject: Air Force Special Academy etc.

RB: In the Star Wars City (SDI/01) organizational chart you posted, there is identified an "Air Force Special Academy" (AFSA), which takes its orders from Star Wars City in Colorado Springs, CO. I take it that this is not the regular Air Force Academy, right?

SW: No it isn't the Regular Academy.

RB: Is it AFSA which trains the military astronauts who are quietly sent up from Vandenberg Air Force Base, Ca, while the press keeps the public's attention on the Space Shuttle operating from Cape Canaveral, FL?

SW: Yes, Vandenburg and Beale AF bases are both involved.

How is it that for more than half century since NASA was created it has made no fundamental scientific or technological progress in getting off this planet? Is it because this is just a cover for the actual top secret space program where billions of dollars are being pumped into R & D by black projects? Or where have these billions gone? Making paper planes?

Now what do you have to say to all this? There's stuff going on out there within the military and other black projects that will boggle the mind!

Never mind if you believe we landed on the Moon using computers with so called 'rope' memory that had less power than my hand held calculator! Because there's more to what NASA and the US Government is dishing out than meets the eye!!

Cheers! :)



http://www.drboylan.com/xplanes2.html
http://www.drboylan.com/colww3a.html
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle/
http://www.earthfiles.com/subscription.php?accesscheck=%2Fnews.php (For subscribers only)

thelyran
05-10-2009, 10:23 AM
You mean we didn't land on the Moon? Jeeez!
WE DID and there's no denying it. But the fact is that we are NOT being told the truth of what the astronauts found there.

40 rolls of film consisting of thousands of Moon photographs of the Apollo Moon missions were either destroyed or locked up in vaults and we may NEVER get to see them! So why did they do this? Because those images contain stuff that'll turn the world upside down!

For example, how many images from the failed Apollo 13 mission have you seen? Bob Dean, a command Sergeant major in the US Army who had a Cosmic Top Secret clearance (The highest classification, 21 levels higher than Eyes Only Top Secret!), managed to whisk away a couple of photographs before they 'disappeared'. Here's one taken by the Apollo 13 astronauts near the Moon that will astound you...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean.jpg
UFOs photographed during the
Apollo 13 mission.
Courtesy: Bob Dean.

And the close-up of that cigar shaped object:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/UFOsRobertDean2.jpg

That cigar shaped object is 8 miles long!! Is it a hoax? Most likely not. And if these huge space ships are operating near the Moon, it's most likely they have a presence there - probably bases of some sort. And that's what we're seeing in many Moon photographs as unexplained anomalies! And the radio transcripts of the Astronauts themselves. Remember what Armstrong transmitted to Mission Control?

Mission Control calling Apollo 11...:

Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

Here's an infra red image of a similar cigar shaped object thousands of miles long (!!!) that has been photographed by the Hubble Space Telescope in the rings of Saturn....

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/SaturnHST.jpg

This corroborates the Apollo 13 photograph of the ubiquitous cigar shaped objects in our Solar System!

Are we the only intelligent species in the universe? I think not! There are more advanced civilizations partying around the cosmos than all the grains of sand on Earth and then some!

Cheers! :D


...I've seen that with a witness one night,near the beaches of Budgewoi,1995,having light disc coming out its sides,coming down low,observing US !...that
night,as Kaylene and I described what we saw,she went to bed,I stayed up,about 4am,when something flew low over the house,no engines,but left a small corridor of wind,that exceeded 100kms,that shook the house...stranger things,began to happen for many years after that...

...But must admit,that droid head gets me thinking,looks like the Mark 13,from
the movie "Hardware",a movie about discarded military drones,rebuilding themselves and terrorising the post-apocalyptic populace.I only got the film,as Iggy Pop,plays a demented DJ...piss myself laughing.
...Sometimes,I think,we as a human race were genetically manipulated,to fight
celestial wars for an alien faction,maybe that's what the human harvest is.
just theories...great thread Mr Singh.Very well done.

watchzeitgeistnow
06-10-2009, 08:31 AM
NASA don't bomb our Moon

NASA don't bomb our Moon
NASA don't bomb our Moon

what the hell are you thinking
our hearts are all sinking

you don't have our permission
on this thoughtless decision

we are the people of Earth
and had enough of your mirth

get back to the release
of disclosure and peace

not some primitive act
you will pay that's a fact

so all those that abide
by this terrible ride

you will feel the karma
due to your excessive drama

stand up and be heard
NASA this is absurd

should have written this sooner
to protect and save our lunar

NASA don't bomb our Moon
NASA LUNAR ORBITER Moon Anomalies - YouTube
NASA Moon Anomalies II : The Audience Is Waking Up - YouTube

mikesingh
06-10-2009, 09:31 AM
NASA don't bomb our Moon
NASA don't bomb our Moon
NASA don't bomb our Moon



Hey wZn! You don't think NASA's gonna listen to you, what? :rolleyes:

Heard of Project Lucifer? Bombing Saturn to make another sun by nuclear chain reaction in order to terraform the outer Solar System!

Hare brained ideas from who else but NASA!!

And remember the plans to move the Earth to a farther orbit to prevent global warming?

More hare brained ideas from who else but NASA!!

And moving the Moon away to prevent climate change?

Much more hare brained ideas from who else but NASA!!

Cheers! :)

citroen999
06-10-2009, 10:19 AM
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song

send this one to NASA

:D:D:D:D:D

mikesingh
06-10-2009, 10:52 AM
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song

send this one to NASA

:D:D:D:D:D

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/laughing-019.gifhttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/hahaha-024.gifhttp://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-031.gif

exuberant1
06-10-2009, 11:20 AM
You know that part I posted earlier regarding the greenish layer in and around King crater (Apollo 17)- Well John Lear said that area has vegetation.

The Apollo 14 astronauts even wonder if they should be taking any pictures at all of this area and they say they are glad they had a chance to cut the TV show once the realized where they were. They all agree that it is most unreal looking "if that makes any sense (laughter)".

I'll post the excerpts below - You are gonna like it (it has vegetation, dikes, mines - Apollo 14 ). Below that I will also include an excerpt where the green areas around King crater are described (Apollo 17).

Apollo 14:
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2712/apollo14veggidikeking.jpg

And now for the green in and around King Crater (Apollo 17):

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6093/apollo17greenish.jpg

Zorgon covered King Crater Back in 2007 in a post titled "The Valley of Secrets" .

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread320043/pg2#pid3786009

exuberant1
06-10-2009, 11:28 AM
Remember that excerpt I posted about the atmosphere on the moon causing the glow our astronaut saw (below). Well his description reminded me of some anomalous images which were taken by surveyor 6 (bottom):

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/302/apollosunriseair.jpg

Surveyor 6 images that remind me of what our astronaut describes:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/Surveyor_6/67-H-1642.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/Surveyor_6/lumgrid.jpg


It appears that there is indeed an atmosphere on the moon; the true nature of which has been withheld from us.

I posted this excerpt on ATS and Oberg tried to say the astronaut was seeing the results of 'zodiacal light' - even though NASA had already determined that it was not caused by that and the excerpt indicated as much. Oberg didn't even bother to read the excerpt he was trying to 'debunk'. :)

chattanova
06-10-2009, 03:18 PM
Howler Monkey on Mars

http://img01.imagefra.me/img/img01/2/10/6/f_13wp1pr6ex9m_3bcd514.jpg

I am offering this NASA image of a Martian geoglyph in response to Wayne J.’s "Monkey Head Rock" he found in UT that was posted in the C2C Photo Gallery last week after listening to the 9/17/09 show titled "Martian Glyphs.”

This large monkey head is located on Mars in the northern region of Cydonia (M0400576). Notice the large forehead and the fanning pattern curving around the back of the skull. The facial features include a short broad nose and large nostril, similar to those seen within primates. The face also has a large empty eye socket, a gaping mouth with thick lips. The overall head resembles the Mesoamerican monkey god known as God C.

For more information about the Howler Monkey on Mars please visit The Cydonia Institute.

--George J. Haas

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/41453

vrsa
07-10-2009, 06:38 AM
Excellent posts from all of you, you should all be proud of yourselves for putting the peices of the puzzle together with very little information, and distorted images. This is an impressive thread.

VRSA
-M.D.
-Master Mason

exuberant1
07-10-2009, 09:08 AM
I am going to post more transcripts here soon enough.

You guys will get the exclusive. :D

elton
07-10-2009, 09:15 AM
I am going to post more transcripts here soon enough.

You guys will get the exclusive. :D

But Apollo never went to the moon. The transcripts are all faked. Along with the photos, the testimonies, and the LROC photos.

exuberant1
07-10-2009, 09:58 AM
But Apollo never went to the moon. The transcripts are all faked. Along with the photos, the testimonies, and the LROC photos.


The images and video are predominately fake.

The transcripts do not match the video and images we have seen. There is a very large disparity between them.

Did you see any green layers, snow, or bonfires in the images?

No.

Yet such things are in the transcripts, some of which were not declassified until the 1980s.

There were multiple versions of Apollo. One for public consumption, and other versions for those with a need to know.

It was a military operation with a large PR component. Everything about Apollo has multiple versions; right down to the information about the spacesuits. So much had been omitted from the public version even the information about the shielding, fibreoptics and purpose of the quindar tones was left out.

*We can now fully simulate Mars missions and the public would never know what they are seeing is not real.

jamesc
07-10-2009, 10:20 AM
The images and video are predominately fake.

The transcripts do not match the video and images we have seen. There is a very large disparity between them.

Did you see any green layers, snow, or bonfires in the images?

No.

Yet such things are in the transcripts, some of which were not declassified until the 1980s.

There were multiple versions of Apollo. One for public consumption, and other versions for those with a need to know.

It was a military operation with a large PR component. Everything about Apollo has multiple versions; right down to the information about the spacesuits. So much had been omitted from the public version even the information about the shielding, fibreoptics and purpose of the quindar tones was left out.

*We can now fully simulate Mars missions and the public would never know what they are seeing is not real.


CORRECT, We did go to the moon but we the public were shown and told a very different sequence of events.:cool:

citroen999
07-10-2009, 11:06 AM
the old spider sense is tingling on this one...

something does not add up...

i think we are slowly but surely moving to a day when we are finally going to be told whats up there in our skys, whether they come clean about the moon is any ones guess.

I am keeping my eye on the news etc and we being dripped fed UFO news daily as though we are being conditioned to accept it.

The disclosure project seems abit odd to me, you have all these people with cosmic clearance, top secret clearance and on a need to know level coming out and spilling the beans :eek:

have these people not been sworn to secrecy and signed contracts etc? The disclosure project makes out that its a vehicle for whistleblowers to spill the beans and be safe :rolleyes:

or could it be they have been hand picked and allowed to give out this infomation as part of the agenda?

The big question i would like other peoples opions on is when the day comes that we are told that we are not alone, what happens next? how will our civilization react?

exuberant1
07-10-2009, 11:27 AM
I have found a part of the Apollo 10 transcript where all three astronauts agree that they feel like they are in the simulator...

...Someone somewhere will use it in a moon hoax thread:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2995/62423975.jpg



Here is another one that will probably see some use in a moon hoax thread sometime in the future:

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8006/apollo14plasterofparis.jpg



Yet another one from Apollo 10 that can be used in the Moon Hoax Hypothesis:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4831/apollo10lmearthonstring.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/apollo10lmearthonstring.jpg/)



Apollo 10 - More proof of volcanic activity and stuff for the Hoax Hypothesis, "You know, it almost looks like this is a painting.Someone took a painting of something" :

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5033/apollo10lmtossdboulders.jpg



Farouk's ideas make another appearance, this time during Apollo 15 regarding Domes:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/709/apollo15faroukdomeroost.jpg


Now here is something you fellas might find curious.

Our astronaut sees a flash with his eyes wide-open and then *poof* - a big chunk of the transcript goes missing, hours worth...

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4219/apollo14justsawflashtim.jpg



Check out this cool quote by Al Worden (Apollo astronaut).

It goes to the lunar atmosphere hypothesis:



http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/44d1f1f60af4.jpg
`Astronaut observations from lunar orbit and their geologic significance`
Authors: El-Baz, Farouk., Worden, A. M., & Brand, V. D.
Journal: Proceedings of the Lunar Science Conference, vol. 2, p.95

(There's good old Farouk again!)

exuberant1
07-10-2009, 11:40 AM
Remember the spotlights on the moon I posted awhile ago.

I found another image of a spotlight on the moon (from Apollo 10): :D

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3210/as10284052forats0light0.jpg


*The transcripts do say they had floodlights, especially in this one mission (I can't remember right now which). Anyhow, when they would come across something of major interest, the commander would have them get the cameras ready, pull down the shades and hit the floodlights!


Also, in the transcripts the astronauts refer to a 'Mr Green' and I think they are talking about Green crater.

There was alot of interest in the area - I think this is why:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3603/mrgreen.jpg

(from as10-28-4106... Also Apollo 10!)

jamesc
07-10-2009, 11:57 AM
the old spider sense is tingling on this one...

something does not add up...

i think we are slowly but surely moving to a day when we are finally going to be told whats up there in our skys, whether they come clean about the moon is any ones guess.

I am keeping my eye on the news etc and we being dripped fed UFO news daily as though we are being conditioned to accept it.

The disclosure project seems abit odd to me, you have all these people with cosmic clearance, top secret clearance and on a need to know level coming out and spilling the beans :eek:

have these people not been sworn to secrecy and signed contracts etc? The disclosure project makes out that its a vehicle for whistleblowers to spill the beans and be safe :rolleyes:

or could it be they have been hand picked and allowed to give out this infomation as part of the agenda?

The big question i would like other peoples opions on is when the day comes that we are told that we are not alone, what happens next? how will our civilization react?


I do remember that Tim Good (the author on several books on the subjects of above top secret security clearnesses), once stated in one of his books and on a live radio programme in the UK,(BBC RADIO, NICKY CAMPBELL), in the 90s that were was a possible roiling EDUCATION PROGRAMME by NASA and the PAB to educate the public on the real reality of UFOs and the intelligences involved with UFOs.

He even stated that NASA was planning to exhibit an actual UFO in the section on its past ,present and future space programmes but suddenly got very could feet and pulled out of that idea. This NASA space programme education exhibit was part of a tour of Europe they were doing in the 90s.

Do not know if this exhibition went ahead or not but the educating of the public through constant releases of UFO documents will probably start with the aim of informing those organisations who will take the time and effort to study these documents and then through these documents this information will be released through organisations like The Disclosure Protect. Makes a lot of sense in the points below on how to slowly inform the public and not just come out with it in a "shock" format.

1.Information released through declassified UFO documents having the sole purpose of attracting serious UFO organisations and researchers in collecting slowly released but more informative and creditable sources of information.
2.Through these UFO organisations and researchers this information makes its way to the ALL main stream media out lets , TV , papers ect.

3. The aim is increasing this information through these released classified documents and using these organisations as the main medium in translating and conveying this information on the public through media out lets ect.

exuberant1
07-10-2009, 12:00 PM
I'll just leave this little gem from the Apollo 10 transcripts right here (You guys get it first):

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1175/apollo10cmhighwaybuildi.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/apollo10cmhighwaybuildi.jpg/)

Highways....

Moose is a code word.

mikesingh
08-10-2009, 04:57 AM
Remember that excerpt I posted about the atmosphere on the moon causing the glow our astronaut saw (below). Well his description reminded me of some anomalous images which were taken by surveyor 6 (bottom):

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/302/apollosunriseair.jpg

Surveyor 6 images that remind me of what our astronaut describes:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/Surveyor_6/67-H-1642.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/Surveyor_6/lumgrid.jpg


It appears that there is indeed an atmosphere on the moon; the true nature of which has been withheld from us.

I posted this excerpt on ATS and Oberg tried to say the astronaut was seeing the results of 'zodiacal light' - even though NASA had already determined that it was not caused by that and the excerpt indicated as much. Oberg didn't even bother to read the excerpt he was trying to 'debunk'. :)

Check this one out...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Atmosphere/moonandvenussmall.jpg

A spectacular picture of the moon taken by the
Clementine 1 spacecraft. The haze effect is caused
by dust in the lunar atmosphere.
Courtesy: The livingmoon

Have you read my thread on The Big NASA-Military Cover-up On Gravity And Atmosphere On The Moon! (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread389780/pg1)

Cheers!

P.S AMAZING TRANSCRIPTS!! KEEP THEM COMING! :)

exuberant1
08-10-2009, 10:52 AM
Hey guys check out this one from as08-13-2228hr. It looks likes some tubing or a bridge or something!:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/491bc257351c.jpg

It reminds me of this from the image I sent you guys:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/03b84657c13a.jpg

Mike, you had some amazing lunar orbiter images of structures and tubing, you even coloured some in. I should post those too:


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5269/moonspirestowerac5.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/moonSpires9-1.jpg

Maybe...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t68/IronDogg/Miscellaneous/drilling-rig.jpg


Now these ones are amazing:

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/265d70671edac34f0e50af18fa2e3fcc.jpg

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/d6e6b5aeb636478d55446eda11c1b694.jpg

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/7a1ae2b85a5a84ebe5d9067f5c5f2fed.jpg

mikesingh
08-10-2009, 12:57 PM
Hey guys check out this one from as08-13-2228hr. It looks likes some tubing or a bridge or something!:
Good find! Very interesting! :)

Mike, you had some amazing lunar orbiter images of structures and tubing, you even coloured some in. I should post those too:

Ex, I wonder what our 'friend' Jim Oberg and his tribe of debunkers would say to all these pics?? :rolleyes: ......Oh yes. I know already! ;)

But why has there not been any debunking/explanations of the images I posted from the LO albums especially the 'towers' from anyone as yet? And its been almost a year! So does that mean we're looking at the real deal?

Cheers! :)

mikesingh
08-10-2009, 01:46 PM
And here's an image from Clementine you may never have seen before!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/mikesingh_bucket/Clementine1.jpg

Strange structures, what? Pixelation? Check it out again!

And another 'crater' with strange formations! Errr...May not be a crater after all! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry.gif

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/c49990b3db0cebaf6b2b65f7f851de97.jpg

And why is this 'crater' in the image below, so bright? Note the 'light reflection' around it especially toward its bottom left.

http://www.ixdrive.co.uk/img/99b5d2d9c1ac8a03a384b6d1f5527d01.jpg

http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-020.gif

Cheers! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-122.gif

citroen999
08-10-2009, 04:07 PM
just a quickie mike.....

apparently nasa are bombing the moon later tonight... whats you thoughts on that... why?

vile bastards :mad:

June 17, 2009

NASA's mission to bomb the Moon
NASA will tomorrow launch a spectacular mission to bomb the Moon. Their LCROSS mission will blast off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, carrying a missile that will blast a hole in the lunar surface at twice the speed of a bullet. The missile, a Centaur rocket, will be steered by a shepherding spacecraft that will guide it towards its target - a crater close to the Moon's south pole. Scientists expect the blast to be so powerful that a huge plume of debris will be ejected.


NASA to 'bomb' moon in search for water
- Washington: Just weeks after ISRO and NASA announced discovery of evidence of water on the lunar surface, the US Space agency is all set to bomb the Moon Friday in search for hidden water in a controversial mission.

Scientists will see two spacecraft slamming into the moon's south pole at 9,000 kmph kicking up a 10-km-high shower of debris that National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) hopes will confirm the presence of enough water necessary to supply future visits by astronauts.

Amateur astronomers in parts of the world may be able to view the impact through a telescope; for everyone else, the crash will be broadcast live on the NASA website along with early pictures of the lunar dust cloud during the dramatic mission.

Within an hour of the impact, scientists will know whether water was hiding there or not.

The Indian Space Research Organisation(ISRO) announced last month that the country's first unmanned lunar mission Chandrayaan-I found evidence of water on the moon within a month after it was launched in October last year to make the first such discovery.

NASA had also announced last month that it found evidence of water. The crashing spaceship was launched in June along with an orbiter that is now mapping the lunar surface. LCROSS, short for Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite and pronounced L-Cross, is on a collision course with the moon, attached to an empty 2.2-tonne rocket that helped get the probe off the ground.

NASA is carrying out this mission to see if any water, ice or vapour is revealed in the cloud of debris. Discovering sub-surface ice is important because the ice could be used as a source of water for efforts to build a colony on the moon’s surface.

vrsa
08-10-2009, 08:25 PM
Gentlemen (and Ladies too of course), tommorow is the day that NASA "bombs" the moon. So I pose several questions and comments:

1. From all the pictures you have uploaded, it seems as tho the craters are full of structures (domes, buildings...). Does this particular crater that they are bombing have any structures in it? (Do u have any images of it).

2. They were going to bomb another crater and abruptly decided to change to this crater...do we know what that other crater was? and If so, are there any images of it? Any structures in it?

3. Is this really for water exploration? Or is it warfare?

I pose these questions to you all because you are the experts. Im just an observer.

VRSA
-M.D.
-Master Mason

majorion
08-10-2009, 08:53 PM
Is this really for water exploration? Or is it warfare
All valid and very good questions vrsa. But my personal opinion is neither of those reasons. The 'Official' story is that they are to determine if there is Water Ice at the Lunar Poles, where it is said to be freezing cold because no sunlight ever reaches those areas, and more importantly they want to determine just how much water is actually there. Now, do you buy that? I know I don't. For one, Clementine and other satellites probes have found out about these things already, search for the Clementine Lunar Pole data, you can find it online.

It is more likely that this is just another NASA swindle, another cover for a secret operation or experiment, so in case astronomers see an explosion that day they would already have an official and believable explanation for it.

What makes the lie so transparent is the purported method of investigation. Why would they need to blow the living hell out of a portion of The Moon and have some plume climb high enough (miles high, BTW) to be visible from Earth? Surely with twenty first century technology we have gotten way past these crude methods.

I smell another NASA swindle. Not sure what they are really up to, but I do know what they are not. All in all, there is nothing we can do about it anyway. Tomorrow will be just another day. There will be no "Disclosure", there will be no "War". Who knows, maybe NASA's real plan is to destroy those very ancient ruins before the Moon Base Race begins, sort of like "cleansing" the area a decade or two before colonization. Just a thought.

hank_scorpio
08-10-2009, 09:16 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6269338/First-thermal-pictures-of-dark-side-of-the-moon.html

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01497/moon_1497561c.jpg

Whats with the heights in the center of some of the craters. i did not know craters had something sticking up the center of them lmao

mikesingh
09-10-2009, 04:57 AM
just a quickie mike.....

apparently nasa are bombing the moon later tonight... whats you thoughts on that... why?

vile bastards :mad:

You can say that again!! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/unhappy-079.gif There are other methods to find water on the Moon instead of blowing up a crater! Like India's Chandrayaan-1 did recently by discovering water from 200km away! The M3 didn't need to be impacted!

This is one of those hare brained ideas from NASA. Probably this could be just a cover for destroying something within that crater! :rolleyes:

Jeeez! This sucks to hell and high heaven! :mad: