Brazil not releasing autopsy info to French

[stompk]

OK, this smack of coverup.


The French are leading the crash investigation, while the Brazilians are leading the rescue operation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

Note, the French are leading the crash investigation. After all, it was a French airline, and most of the missing are French. Now check this out from the same article.


Arslanian said a French doctor from the BEA was not allowed to participate in autopsies done so far on some Flight 447 bodies by Brazilian authorities, and those autopsy results have not been released to the BEA. He said he was "not happy" with this situation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

Now, if the French are leading the investigation, why are the Brazilians doing the autopsies and not allowing the French to see the result?

This whole thing stinks. The story is intentionally being buried.


France's chief air disaster investigator said on Wednesday he was unhappy that a French pathologist had not been allowed to take part in autopsies in Brazil of bodies recovered after an Air France plane crash.
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He said a French pathologist sent to Brazil had not been authorised to take part in the autopsies of recovered bodies, and France had not had access to the Brazilian autopsy results.

http://www.javno.com/en-world/no-new-clues-on-air-france-crash-says-investigator_265918

Basically, they (Brazil) can make whatever claim they want, probably lying about explosive residue on the bodies, would be my guess.

[stompk]

Remember when the story first broke.


Flight 447 flew into towering thunderstorms and gave off a signal that all electrical systems failed, although the cause was still a mystery.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/06/01/2009-06-01_air_france_jet_carrying_228_people_from_rio_de_ janeiro_to_paris_disappears_over_.html

Then it was turbulance.


Today, as the first bits of debris—life vests, empty seats, and oil slicks—were sighted by Brazilian pilots along the flight path of the Airbus A330-200, speculation persisted that turbulence and lightning played a role in the crash

http://blogs.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/2009/06/02/flight-447-was-it-turbulence/

Then is was the pitot tubes cause false speed readings


Despite No Firm Link, Pitot Tubes Spotlighted in Flight 447 Investigation

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw061509p2.xml&headline=Despite%20No%20Firm%20Link,%20Pitot%20Tub es%20Spotlighted%20in%20Flight%20447%20Investigati on

Now, it's being blamed on the rudder.


A burst of automatic messages sent by Air France Flight 447 before it crashed into the Atlantic includes one about concern over its rudder's safety device but lacks decisive clues as to what sent the jet plunging, an aviation expert said yesterday.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06142009/news/worldnews/flt__447s_final_rudder_alarm_174161.htm

Now there is no mention of lightning, or turbulence.

Not to mention, the plane lost contact long before it dissappeared off of radar.

[jesuitsdidit]

op


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane


Autopsies suggest Air France jet broke up in sky

By STAN LEHMAN and EMMA VANDORE, Associated Press Writers Stan Lehman And Emma Vandore, Associated Press Writers – 2 hrs 23 mins ago

SAO PAULO – Autopsies have revealed fractures in the legs, hips and arms of Air France Flight 447 victims, injuries that — along with the large pieces of wreckage pulled from the Atlantic — strongly suggest the plane broke up in the air, experts say.

With more than 400 pieces of debris recovered from the ocean's surface, the top French investigator expressed optimism about eventually discovering what brought down the plane. But he also called the search conditions — far from land in very deep water — "one of the worst situations ever known in an accident investigation."

French investigators are beginning to form "an image that is progressively less fuzzy," Paul-Louis Arslanian, who runs the French air accident investigation agency BEA, told a news conference Wednesday outside Paris.

"We are in a situation that is a bit more favorable than the first days," Arslanian said. "We can say there is a little less uncertainty, so there is a little more optimism. ... (but) it is premature for the time being to say what happened."

A spokesman for Brazilian medical examiners told The Associated Press on Wednesday that fractures were found in autopsies on an undisclosed number of the 50 bodies recovered so far. The official spoke on condition he not be named due to department rules.

"Typically, if you see intact bodies and multiple fractures — arm, leg, hip fractures — it's a good indicator of a midflight break up," said Frank Ciacco, a former forensic expert at the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "Especially if you're seeing large pieces of aircraft as well."

The pattern of fractures was first reported Wednesday by Brazil's O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper, which cited unnamed investigators. The paper also reported that some victims were found with little or no clothing, and had no signs of burns.

"In an in-air break up like we are supposing here, the clothes are just torn away," said Jack Casey, an aviation safety consultant in Washington, D.C. and a former accident investigator.

Casey also said multiple fractures are consistent with a midair breakup of the plane, which was cruising at about 34,500 feet (10,500 meters) when it went down.

"Getting ejected into that kind of windstream is like hitting a brick wall — even if they stay in their seats, it is a crushing effect," Casey said.

When a jet crashes into water mostly intact — such as the Egypt Air plane that hit the Atlantic Ocean after taking off from New York in 1999 — debris and bodies are generally broken into small pieces, Ciacco said.

Lack of burn evidence would not necessarily rule out an explosion, said John Goglia, a former member of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board.

Searchers from Brazil, France, the United States and other countries are methodically scanning the surface and depths of the Atlantic for signs of the Airbus A330 that crashed May 31 after running into thunderstorms en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris. All 228 people aboard were killed.

Brazilian Air Force Col. Henry Munhoz told reporters Wednesday that several more body parts, as well as pieces of the plane and luggage, were found in the search area by the French amphibian ship Mistral.

Still missing are the plane's flight data and voice recorders, thought to be deep under water.

French-chartered ships are trolling a search area with a radius of 50 miles (80 kilometers), pulling U.S. Navy underwater listening devices attached to 19,700 feet (6,000 meters) of cable. The black boxes send out an electronic tapping sound that can be heard up to 1.25 miles (2 kilometers) away.

U.S. Air Force Col. Willie Berges, commander of the American military forces supporting the search, said the black boxes emit beacons at a unique frequency, virtually guaranteeing that any signal detected would be from the pingers.

"The question becomes if the black box is with the pinger, because they can get separated," Berges said.

Without the black boxes to help explain what went wrong, the investigation has focused on a flurry of automated messages sent by the plane minutes before it lost contact; one suggests external speed sensors had iced over, destabilizing the plane's control systems.

Arslanian said most of the messages appear to be "linked to this loss of validity of speed information." He said when the speed information became "incoherent" it affected other systems on the plane.

The automated messages were not alarm calls and no distress call was picked up from the plane, he said.

Air France has replaced the sensors, called Pitot tubes, on all its A330 and A340 aircraft, under pressure from pilots who feared a link to the accident.

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Vandore reported from Le Bourget, France. Associated Press writers Greg Keller in Le Bourget and Bradley Brooks in Rio de Janeiro also contributed to this report.

[wakeuptime]

Why can't they ever find the black boxes when they really need them? The 9-11 plane's boxes couldn't be found either. Here in France there's no news about the plane. After the initial hyteria (and they were hystical)....silence.

[grannymoose]

it just shows that them black boxe's arent all what they appear to be, basicly there crap and don't do the job there supposed to do.

[lottie]

yeah true- except for the claims they made about them years ago- i remember seeing documentaries about plane crashes and the black box was the bit that solved the mysteriy everytime...hailed as damage proof etc etc... it was always the bit that completed the missing link! :rolleyes: These days its as if we've all forgotten about the black box...we're so used to there being holes in the stories of what 'really happened' onboard failing flights! :rolleyes:

[decided]

it just shows that them black boxe's arent all what they appear to be, basicly there crap and don't do the job there supposed to do.

Or they don't want to find it! It all depends....

[Ian2day]

There're no bodies being examined. Its a plane full of MK-Ultra victims been given a new name and family. Brainwashed to come up with and then forget Intellectual Property for tptb.

[stompk]

Or they don't want to find it! It all depends....

My thoughts exactly


Bruce Coffey, President of the Aviation Recorders division of L-3 Communications -- the world's largest supplier of crash-survivable recording units -- told Reuters the use of data streaming in conjunction with traditional recording units could provide a "belt and suspenders" approach.

However, only one of L-3's black boxes has ever been lost after a crash -- from the American Airlines flight that plowed into the World Trade Center on September 11 2001.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090618/ts_nm/us_airshow_blackboxes_1

[kriss_crow]

Agree with two posters above:
"The question becomes if the black box is with the pinger, because they can get separated," Berges said.
Of course they will find those boxes, maybe they have them alreaty.
What the hell does it mean: "they can get separated"? Bullshit.
They are built to survive any conditions! Explosion, fire, water.
Another thing the the beacon is supposed to work only for 30 days. Why?
While the battery life from such blackbox is around half a year..

[airkraft]

it just shows that them black boxe's arent all what they appear to be, basicly there crap and don't do the job there supposed to do.


you`d think they would have designed them to float wouldnt you....but that would be to easy wouldnt it

[robdoo]

I reckon a UFO took that plane down......


Hell why not, this forum is full of conspiracies...lol

Yeh a Ufo from a base in Brazil, that little Island just off brazil maybe where UFO's have been terrorising the people there and burning them with some type of lazer light. Leaving people scarred for life.
Maybe some secret intelligence group has been following in the footprints of the Nazi's and brits who during the second world war were trying to build flying saucers, some 65 years ago. Maybe they never stopped and have perfected the UFO flying saucer design and are now taking planes down for fun....lol

Crazy talk i tells ya!!:rolleyes: