Why is it WRONG to hate Jews???........

[james777]

I would like to start this thread off with a dis-claimer: I do not hate Jews and I am not 'anti-semitic'. I am only expressing my views and opinions on the matter.

You know, it bemuses me that it's such a 'crime' to hate jews or speak out against them. If you question 'jewish' history or question 'jewish' culture you get this great label called 'anti-semitic'. Hmmmmm, why? I just really don't get it. First, let's disect the meaning;

Anti- opposed to; against

Semitic- relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

OK, now, as far as I know this definition of 'Semitic' relates to A LOT more than just jews, so how does 'ANTI-SEMITIC' actually mean - hostility to or prejudice against Jews - I don't know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I can't think of a race of people who aren't hated by another and at the same time I don't see anyone getting 'labeled' or 'reprimanded' for speaking out against these other races. What is actually going on here?

What is the ADL and who runs it and where do they get their power and are they even jewish?

I want to go on the record and say that I have no hate in my heart for anyone or any race. I just need to understand this whole anti-semitic thing because honestly it sounds like real bullshit to me and it implicates that something much deeper is actually being hidden.

Anyways....any thoughts, comments or facts??

[john white]

Why is it Right to Hate anyone?

[james777]

Why is it Right to Hate anyone?

Great point, but why is it only 'displayed' as a big deal against jews?

[montag]

Great point, but why is it only 'displayed' as a big deal against jews?
It makes them immune to criticism, it's a very clever ploy..

[james777]

It makes them immune to criticism, it's a very clever ploy..

Ok, ok......that makes sense, but why? Why is it sooo important for them not to be criticized??

[john white]

Why is it Right to Hate anyone?Great point, but why is it only 'displayed' as a big deal against jews?

Energy flows where attention goes

In the first place, it is the past that keeps creating the issue: people look into the past, they see the issue, that observation brings the issue into the present, where it gathers attention in the collective mind: then when someone who would say "Why hate anyone?" would of course say "Why hate Jews", and that draws attention on the other polarity, "Why all this attention on Jews?". And thus as long as we think it we will keep manifesting it

But when we answer the larger question, Why is it Right to Hate anyone?, or at least seek to find that answer, we automatically solve all the smaller questions of why hate anyone, whether Jews, Germans, Russians, Frnechmen and so on and so on? Confront an individual, a community, a culture, if nessacary?, Yes, resolutely, Love helps balance all: But there is no issue when we heal imbalance, which we do quite naturally as soon as enough people understand the world from that perspective

[montag]

Ok, ok......that makes sense, but why? Why is it sooo important for them not to be criticized??
I think you know the answer to that one yourself James, or are you just trying to be controversial for controversy's sake again..??

[james777]

I think you know the answer to that one yourself James, or are you just trying to be controversial for controversy's sake again..??

I'm sorry but you've got me all wrong. I'm asking an honest question looking for an honest answer. I'm not here for bullshit or controversy. Why does everyone assume this?? Is it because I like to talk about things that people like to keep hidden in the back of the closet?

You know what though, your statement here just really opened my eyes to something. You can go ahead and bin this thread because I'm not gonna find any real conversation here.......apart from Big John

[montag]

I'm sorry but you've got me all wrong. I'm asking an honest question looking for an honest answer. I'm not here for bullshit or controversy. Why does everyone assume this??
Track record..

Is it because I like to talk about things that people like to keep hidden in the back of the closet?
No, it's because you like to feed on negativity..


You know what though, your statement here just really opened my eyes to something. You can go ahead and bin this thread because I'm not gonna find any real conversation here.......
I bet you'd really like that..;)

[phoenixchilde]

Well James, I would agree with Mr. White and ask why it's right to hate anyone. Someone who hates all Jewish people deserves my disdain as much as someone who's racist against black people, or east Indians, or any ethnic group.

Now if on the other hand, you're asking why you can't hate any singular person who just happens to be Jewish, you'd have the same problem with any group of people who have faced prosecution in the past. I used to work with a homosexual who looked down his nose at every straight guy at the store, but everyone who didn't like him was labelled a homophobe.

[james777]

.Track record..

You are very assumptious here and way out of line.....


No, it's because you like to feed on negativity..

What negativity? Who is being negative??


I bet you'd really like that..;)

I really just don't care anymore.......ecspecially when we have 'forum advisors' passing blind judgement. It'd be one thing if you had facts, but assumptions alone prove a lot to me....

[montag]

What negativity? Who is being negative??.
I'm happy to be proved wrong, I'm just calling it as I see it..

[james777]

I'm happy to be proved wrong, I'm just calling it as I see it..

Ok, whatever........fair enough........

[anoninnyc]

the thing about jews is that it has two meanings. 1. the people who practice and/or at least believe in judaism and 2. the people who are ethnically jewish.........

now i do not HATE anyone. I am opposed to the belief system of judaism but i also feel this way about many religions.

i have nothing against those who are ethnically jewish. that would just be pure silliness.

now zionism is another story and i think often people get confused and think that all jews (in either the religious sense or the ethnic sense) are zionists and this is 100% false. i think that zionism breeds hatred of jewish people. but this is due to ignorance. there are rabbis who are not zionists........ actually if you get into it i think that the state of israel is not in line with jewish religious fundamentalist beliefs, how it came about and its secularism anyway.

[montag]

Energy flows where attention goes
I agree..

It's said that hate is merely love turned inside out, it's a form of concentration, so what you focus(concentrate) on expands..

[lumukanda]

it is ultiamtely not good to hate anyone, i may disagree severly with some people, i may think they're idiots, or that they're evil, but i can't bring myself to hate anymore, i spent a long part of my life in that dark place, and to hate a whole group of people simply because of what vagina they fell out of is really silly.
as anoninnyc said, most people have a problem with zionists, not jews, and don't know the difference between the two, when i critisize israel, i'm not having a go at the religion, nor the people, i'm having a go at the system in place there, the system that relies heavily on the guilt produced by the holocaust (very often when jews appealed to the zionists in america and the uk to help them, and were ignored), but seems to have no compunction about copying the very tactics used against their fathers and mothers in germany and eastern europe.

but your question was why. it is wrong to hate anyone, or any group, because ultimately they are us, we came from the same places, and in reality we are more alike than not. hate is a product of fear, fear of the unknown, weird people, eliminate them as strange and weird, the fear goes away, you see that they are our brothers and sisters, whoever they are, and you should never hate your brother.

[chandrakavi]

If everything the illuminati do is based on lies, and not on truth,
and the truth is their strongest enemy, then anything that DOUBTS their
system, even if it is a false doubt, and that doubt has it all wrong, they cannot allow that to happen, because then there will be other doubts and
questions, and finally all their false system based on false beliefs, that people are supposed to see as truth, as the light, unquestionably so, WILL FALL APART ENTIRELY. They want to CONTROL, they are not truth seekers, never have been. So if people don't question them then they are in CONTROL OF POWER. If they are questioned, they are NOT in control of power.

If everyone KNOWS that a certain newspaper prints only lies, will the people buy that newspaper?---certainly not
News have to be believable--if so people will buy that, without questions.

Questioning the truth will never be a problem---it is the truth, so you can go and ask what you feel.

But questioning lies--will always be a problem,
if people stop believing in those lies, where maybe a big business is in between, that will scare them---they will no longer be in control of the masses to whom they sell those lies.

By the way you do know that 96% of the media is owned by Illuminati jews don't you? They tell you what is right and what is wrong, and they NEED TO BE BELIEVED on this business point. Get it?

The subject though does bore me, I have no hate for no one,
and no matter how right you can be, there are movements, that although they may be right on what they say, can fill you up with hate, and I have no interest in that kind of thing. So they need to LOOK perfect, which does not mean BEING truly perfect, there's a whole society controlled like this, They will get neourvous if doubted.
THIS IS WHY THEY FEEL THEY CAN'T BE CRITICIZED.Just meant to answer your doubt, nothing more.

[montag]

to hate a whole group of people simply because of what vagina they fell out of is really silly.
I've witnessed three births so far luk and I can assure you gravity plays no part in it..:eek:

[william_mac]

It's the same thing with black people, especially here in America. It's a society taboo, and it's hard to break away from.

For example, a white person can get up in the media here and speak about any other race other than Jews or black people. Even if the person's claims are completely reasonable, and shared by many people, and is pure fact, white people still can't do it. In fact, no other race can speak about Jews or black people in any other light accept for a favorable light.

However, Jewish people and black people can talk about any other race all they want, either completely insanely or with a true view, either way, those people will have accepted views. Even if someone rises up to speak out against those views, they will automatically be labled as 'racist' by Jewish or black people.

So, I suppose the fact is, that everyone else is capable of being racist instead , of course, Jewish people and black people. They are immune from racism, they are untouchable.

The reason for this is simple. They have undergone "pain" they have had hardships thrust upon their cultures by everyone else throughout history. Therefore, they somehow retain the right to be racist themselves without outside scrutiny.

In my next "This Week in Time" video on www.William-Mac.com that will be posted on the first weekend of August, I will actually be illustrating this. I will be collaborating with a black filmmaker, and we will be discussing these same issues by going out on the streets and asking all the sides.

So, that should be interesting, perhaps it will shed some light on the subject. i'll announce the video's posting here.



-William-Mac.com

[limelady]

it is ultiamtely not good to hate anyone, i may disagree severly with some people, i may think they're idiots, or that they're evil, but i can't bring myself to hate anymore, i spent a long part of my life in that dark place, and to hate a whole group of people simply because of what vagina they fell out of is really silly.
as anoninnyc said, most people have a problem with zionists, not jews, and don't know the difference between the two, when i critisize israel, i'm not having a go at the religion, nor the people, i'm having a go at the system in place there, the system that relies heavily on the guilt produced by the holocaust (very often when jews appealed to the zionists in america and the uk to help them, and were ignored), but seems to have no compunction about copying the very tactics used against their fathers and mothers in germany and eastern europe.

but your question was why. it is wrong to hate anyone, or any group, because ultimately they are us, we came from the same places, and in reality we are more alike than not. hate is a product of fear, fear of the unknown, weird people, eliminate them as strange and weird, the fear goes away, you see that they are our brothers and sisters, whoever they are, and you should never hate your brother.

Here, here lumukanda!! http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_231.gif


I do not believe hatred is a natural state for humans. I believe
humans have been taught how to hate, and its high time we learnt
how to truly love and care for all humanity. As I see it, the only way
forward for this planet is a resolve to rise above that which we have
been programmed to believe is real. Hatred of humanity is NOT real
because it is NOT our hatred we express! Hatred has never served
humanity, it only serves those who continue to control humanity.

Lets give away hatred (especially racial hatred) and try for something
more supportive of human consciousness.

Lets learn how to love. :)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2499/lovelimeoa6.jpg

[lumukanda]

I've witnessed three births so far luk and I can assure you gravity plays no part in it..:eek:

thats true, i was thinking of giraffes, my apologies.

[informationx]

I would like to start this thread off with a dis-claimer: I do not hate Jews and I am not 'anti-semitic'. I am only expressing my views and opinions on the matter.

You know, it bemuses me that it's such a 'crime' to hate jews or speak out against them. If you question 'jewish' history or question 'jewish' culture you get this great label called 'anti-semitic'. Hmmmmm, why? I just really don't get it. First, let's disect the meaning;

Anti- opposed to; against

Semitic- relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

OK, now, as far as I know this definition of 'Semitic' relates to A LOT more than just jews, so how does 'ANTI-SEMITIC' actually mean - hostility to or prejudice against Jews - I don't know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I can't think of a race of people who aren't hated by another and at the same time I don't see anyone getting 'labeled' or 'reprimanded' for speaking out against these other races. What is actually going on here?

What is the ADL and who runs it and where do they get their power and are they even jewish?

I want to go on the record and say that I have no hate in my heart for anyone or any race. I just need to understand this whole anti-semitic thing because honestly it sounds like real bullshit to me and it implicates that something much deeper is actually being hidden.

Anyways....any thoughts, comments or facts??

Hi James,

I agree with you there does seem to be mechanisms around that protect the jewish image. If you even take any critical line of thinking which goes against that image - the jewish protection racket goes into effect.

I call it the "I'm telling my dad on you" syndrome. In this case the dad is the Big jewish lobby and the ADL.

its a childish game really, in which anyone who makes an analysis which goes against the grain will be labelled anti semetic.

So is it wrong to hate jews?

Well yes it would be if they had done nothing to you. Blind hatred just because you have an idea about a group of people, is of course ridiculous, racist, and prejudice.

But if your life had been destroyed by a jewish "system" so to speak, im sure things would look different. Israel/Palestine etc

Semite

1847, "Jew, Arab, Assyrian, Aramæan," from Mod.L. Semita, from L.L. Sem "Shem," one of the three sons of Noah (Gen. x:21-30), regarded as the ancestor of the Semites (in the days when anthropology was still bound by the Bible), from Heb. Shem. Semitic (1813 of languages, 1826 of persons) is probably from Ger. semitisch (first used by Ger. historian August Schlözer, 1781), denoting the language group that includes Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Assyrian, etc. In recent use often with the specific sense "Jewish," but not historically so limited.

Anti-Semitism

1881, from Ger. Antisemitismus, first used by Wilhelm Marr in 1880, from anti- + Semite (q.v.). Not etymologically restricted to anti-Jewish theories, actions or policies, but almost always used in this sense. Those who object to the inaccuracy of the term might try H. Adler's Judaeophobia (1882).


Sem·ite

–noun 1. a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.

2. a Jew.

3. a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah

Cheers!

[limelady]

I've witnessed three births so far luk and I can assure you gravity plays no part in it..:eek:


I've given birth 3 times and I can second that....they don't call it
labour for nothing!!! :eek:

[lumukanda]

I've given birth 3 times and I can second that....they don't call it
labour for nothing!!! :eek:

i know know, but painfully squeezed out by a series of contractions just didn't have the same ring to it...

[thirdwave]

I would like to start this thread off with a dis-claimer: I do not hate Jews and I am not 'anti-semitic'. I am only expressing my views and opinions on the matter.

You know, it bemuses me that it's such a 'crime' to hate jews or speak out against them. If you question 'jewish' history or question 'jewish' culture you get this great label called 'anti-semitic'. Hmmmmm, why? I just really don't get it. First, let's disect the meaning;

Anti- opposed to; against

Semitic- relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

OK, now, as far as I know this definition of 'Semitic' relates to A LOT more than just jews, so how does 'ANTI-SEMITIC' actually mean - hostility to or prejudice against Jews - I don't know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I can't think of a race of people who aren't hated by another and at the same time I don't see anyone getting 'labeled' or 'reprimanded' for speaking out against these other races. What is actually going on here?

What is the ADL and who runs it and where do they get their power and are they even jewish?

I want to go on the record and say that I have no hate in my heart for anyone or any race. I just need to understand this whole anti-semitic thing because honestly it sounds like real bullshit to me and it implicates that something much deeper is actually being hidden.

Anyways....any thoughts, comments or facts??



I don't think its a case of being wrong to hate them.... its just wrong to hate someone based on the place they come from or the religion or back ground of a person...

there for hating "Jews" in my eyes is wrong.... I think hate in general is wrong but if you have to hate someone at least hate them because of the person they are rather because of what they are in terms of nationality or religion...

[synergy777]

to be honest the most hated now are asians, the public, the police, the media, we are enemy number one, after the prs of 911.

[klinker]

to be honest the most hated now are asians, the public, the police, the media, we are enemy number one, after the prs of 911.

Seems that way doesn't it but I and many others realise it's nothing more than media fear mongering. I'm glad the Asian communities are sticking up for themselves though against the state which is more that can be said for us the majority of us whites.

[tinmenace]

Ok, ok......that makes sense, but why? Why is it sooo important for them not to be criticized??

Read David's books, and you'll understand with perfect clarity. ;)

[synergy777]

we have to stick up, we can't rely on anyone else.

[cruise4]

Whilst 'hate' may not be quite what I'm responding to I think the answer to your question is the Anti Defamation League, Mossad, Media attitudes and the preservation of false history. In other words it can get you closed down or killed.

[klinker]

we have to stick up, we can't rely on anyone else.

They are setting an example to the rest of us apathetic types. ;)

[positive terror]

THE RIGHT QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE THIS MY FRIEND:

¨WHY THE JEWS HATE THE REST OF HUMANS?¨

What is wrong with them, should be the question, well here is the answer:

The origin of the hatred of jews is the Talmud, what is the Talmud? : The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."


Some Teachings of the Talmud

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Non-Jews are Not Human

Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men"). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").

Jews are Divine

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"

Insults Against Blessed Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Gloats over Christ Dying Young

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

Says Jesus was a Sorcerer

Sanhedrin 43a . Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery.

Horrible Blasphemy of Our Lord

Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"

Attacks Christians and their Books

Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition of minim).

Sanhedrin 90a.Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books," see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.

Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.

Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Sick and Insane Teachings

Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.

Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."

Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were exhibited in Spielberg*s Schindler's List where the Hollywood director shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two other Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper that this cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must find his own. These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic images which Jewish kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.

Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should >take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs.<

Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.

Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.

Shabbath 86a-86b. Because Jews are holy they do not have sex during the day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.

Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust

Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).

A Revealing Admission

Abodah Zarah 70a . The question was asked of the rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews

Pharisaic Rituals

Erubin 21b (p. 150). >>Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me some water to wash my hands."

"It will not suffice for drinking," the other complained, "will it suffice for washing your hands?"

"What can I do?' the former replied, "when for neglecting the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that I myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion of my colleagues." [This is the ritual hand washing condemned by Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].

Great Rabbi Deceives A Woman

Kallah 51a (Soncino Minor Tractates). Teaches that God approves of rabbis who lie:

"The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.

"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.

"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.' Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.

It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."

In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars the preceding discussion is actually about Christ (the lad who 'uncovered his head'). The reference to the lad's mother is of course to the mother of Jesus, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in Talmud).

Genocide Advocated by Talmud

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].

Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").

Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).


THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TALMUD (http://www.radioislam.org/talmud/talmud2.htm)

Download: What The Talmud Teaches (http://www.radioislam.org/talmud/WhatTheTalmudTeaches.pdf)

[kooo]

THE RIGHT QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE THIS MY FRIEND:

¨WHY THE JEWS HATE THE REST OF HUMANS?¨

What is wrong with them, should be the question, well here is the answer:

The origin of the hatred of jews is the Talmud, what is the Talmud? : The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."


The first intelligent answer to this thread.

[synergy777]

good post the talmud is from babylon. this why the asians revere yashuah more than the jews/vatican/solar christians (who follow a mithras clone, the antichrist, sol invictus, cesare borgia). muslims know the real issa, rastas/orthodox christians know the real yashuah, hindus/sikhs know the real yashuah/krishna. the majority of the world is being misled and gives power to the beast/harlot of babylon, historical knowledge makes this painfully obvious.

the power of propaganda has merely pandered to the cultural arrogance of europe and hence been the nwo most powerful tool. we are now seeing the final stages of their plan, which as it unfolds, only shows our postion as correct and their's as wrong, which is one thing they find hard to accept.

but this is what gives us asians our strength, we know we are oppressed because we stand with the creator and not falsehood/empire/power. this is why will endure and be victorious in the days to come. the sons of ismael were given israel, we started it, we created jerusalem, its we who are being bombed in palestine. the "misled" christians/muslims(wahabbis/extremists) are helping talmudic zionists kill the people of the yashuah(palestinians), the man they proclaim to follow, irony hey. i find it funny when i see all these christians, saying poor israel, they only help the zionists due to them thinking yashuah was white and east european jew, lol

see real christians know yashuah and help the palestinians, real torah jews know yashuah and help palestinians, real muslims know issa/yashuah and help the palestinians. all the real in every religion help palestine, the false in every religion help the nwo/antichrist. its the plain truth, if one finds it hard, then look in the mirror and change yourself. i might be wrong on many things, but this question of palestine/yashuah versus greater israel/zionist/nwo is the one thing i am spot on, is the one thing that drives me. this to me, is the main event, the winner takes all. all other events etc are ancillary, this is the pivotal point of world history. as long i live to see palestine returned to the people of yashuah, i would die a happy man.

sorry for getting heated, but the talmud, the sell outs who help the nwo, spy, kill, etc, will. all answer one day.

[lumukanda]

hating someone because they hate you is pretty pointless imo

[eternal_spirit]

good post the talmud is from babylon. this why the asians revere yashuah more than the jews/vatican/solar christians (who follow a mithras clone, the antichrist, sol invictus, cesare borgia). muslims know the real issa, rastas/orthodox christians know the real yashuah, hindus/sikhs know the real yashuah/krishna. the majority of the world is being misled and gives power to the beast/harlot of babylon, historical knowledge makes this painfully obvious.

the power of propaganda has merely pandered to the cultural arrogance of europe and hence been the nwo most powerful tool. we are now seeing the final stages of their plan, which as it unfolds, only shows our postion as correct and their's as wrong, which is one thing they find hard to accept.

but this is what gives us asians our strength, we know we are oppressed because we stand with the creator and not falsehood/empire/power. this is why will endure and be victorious in the days to come. the sons of ismael were given israel, we started it, we created jerusalem, its we who are being bombed in palestine. the "misled" christians/muslims(wahabbis/extremists) are helping talmudic zionists kill the people of the yashuah(palestinians), the man they proclaim to follow, irony hey. i find it funny when i see all these christians, saying poor israel, they only help the zionists due to them thinking yashuah was white and east european jew, lol

see real christians know yashuah and help the palestinians, real torah jews know yashuah and help palestinians, real muslims know issa/yashuah and help the palestinians. all the real in every religion help palestine, the false in every religion help the nwo/antichrist. its the plain truth, if one finds it hard, then look in the mirror and change yourself. i might be wrong on many things, but this question of palestine/yashuah versus greater israel/zionist/nwo is the one thing i am spot on, is the one thing that drives me. this to me, is the main event, the winner takes all. all other events etc are ancillary, this is the pivotal point of world history. as long i live to see palestine returned to the people of yashuah, i would die a happy man.

sorry for getting heated, but the talmud, the sell outs who help the nwo, spy, kill, etc, will. all answer one day.
..............

Seems as though you are trying to make out that Yashuah and all the other names for this God thing are pure and blameless and follow the true religion.

It's not so. All these religions will fight against others this is another elitest mindset to me which says our God is right yours is wrong. Another form of brainwashing.

We the true people of Britain don't wan't or need any of these fasle religions anymore, they are nothing but trouble.
I'm tired of the lot including the Jews.

The only enlightened people for want of better words are the ones who reject all religion, that is the best way to live you're life then you don't have to take sides.

Yashua (jesus) Krishna same bullshit different names. Does it matter if Yahsua was white black green or purple?

[eternal_spirit]

christianity Judaism should of stayed in Jerusalem where it belonged. Hinduism and all the rest too.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6893

What the Jews ( Zionists) have to hide.

[kooo]

christianity Judaism should of stayed in Jerusalem where it belonged. Hinduism and all the rest too.

I know what you mean, I feel the same way about the New Age religion/cult.

[positive terror]

The first intelligent answer to this thread.

Thanks Kooo, I like you avatar, cool.

good post the talmud is from babylon.

Your post is too very interesting synergy777

[james777]

Very interesting guys/girls. I noticed someone said that you'll be 'shut down' or 'killed' for getting too close. Too close to what?

What is it that's being hidden? Does this have to do with the actual 'ancient kabbalah' or are we talking about the 'holocaust' here??

[eternal_spirit]

synergy I do sympathise with the Palestinian Arabs or who ever they are, they seem to get a bad deal.
It's just that I have no faith and don't trust any religion. History shows that it's a case of our God is true yours is false tit for tat and all hell breaks loose on Earth.

From my understanding from some of you're posts you seem to wan't to put the blame on the white man, forgive me if I've read it wrong. If this is the case then you are promoting reverse racism Ie; racial superiority over the white people.
As though he cultures form the East or wherever got it all right and the West gotten it all wrong.

You know I would love to see all races get along peacefully without the need for religion.

[kooo]

Very interesting guys/girls. I noticed someone said that you'll be 'shut down' or 'killed' for getting too close. Too close to what?

What is it that's being hidden? Does this have to do with the actual 'ancient kabbalah' or are we talking about the 'holocaust' here??

Controlled opposition, system gatekeepers springs to mind.

[mentalogirl]

Here's a very interesting article by Mark Twain on the subject:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1898twain-jews.html


Jews have been persecuted throughout the centuries,and I think this was mostly to do with usury.Quite hypocritical I think,given that usury served non-Jews well(especially leaders),and when it didn't,there was always a mass expulsion of Jews from various lands.I've always felt that Jewish people had special talents for finance,legal professions and the arts - just look at the examples everywhere.I think this talent makes non-Jews jealous and resentful,and at the same time it makes Jews slightly arrogant about their gift.I can't strees enough how generalizing I am being here!Mark Twain expands on this much better..

Under any other circumstances,this would have been a 'healthy polarity' between different groups in society,with no major consequences.But it serves the controlling lobbies to have the Jews as eternal victims,as it serves the agenda to have the Muslims as backward people whose women have to cover up(and for whom suicide-bombing others is merely a stage to a land full of virgins),and the Christians as compassionate people who have no problem reassessing their past crimes...

So I think it's all an act,designed to fulfill the plan.What I said above are merely opinions - at the end of the day I think all men and women are one and the same,therefore to hate anyone is to hate myself.

[anoninnyc]

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We the true people of Britain don't wan't or need any of these fasle religions anymore, they are nothing but trouble.
I'm tired of the lot including the Jews.

The only enlightened people for want of better words are the ones who reject all religion, that is the best way to live you're life then you don't have to take sides.


i agree to an extent. though i am not british i feel that as a human being religions in general have done more harm than good. i was raised muslim and completely reject that. i do, however, see the beauty in sufism the mystical dimension of islam. i also see the beauty in the true mystical and spiritual side of most religions. a truly spiritual person would never fight with another over who has the best god.......... because they know that our god comes from within, we are all god, etc. only a religious idiot would create such conflict.

[anoninnyc]

but this is what gives us asians our strength, we know we are oppressed because we stand with the creator and not falsehood/empire/power. this is why will endure and be victorious in the days to come.

sorry to go off topic, but synergy, why do you think asians are oppressed? i assume that you mean asian in the british way (i.e. indian pakistani bangladeshi)

india is booming. asians in britain are doing great, so what do you see the issue as? indians generally do great wherever they go.......... i live in the usa and i would not call them oppressed at all over here. people may laugh at their funny accents if they are straight from india but that is about it.

[synergy777]

es i forgive you, but somethings you have to take on the chin. its the european arm of the nwo, the vatican that after changing yashuah/cesare borgia, the curse of ham/slavery trade, colonisation of the new world, saturnalia/ishtar=easter, deathcult rituals such a bread/wine = flesh/blood. the fusion of the mithras/sol invictus doctrine, the rewriting of eve's role, how many corruptions have been penned by rome. the trinity, council of nicea, they even call orthodox churches not proper churches, they look down on prostentants. the real/closet to the truth are the eastern orthodox/ethiopian orthodox churches. what europe got was empire religion.

add to this mix the extreme muslims, who don't follow the koran but wahabbi/corrupt ideology, the zionists who follow the talmud, the british israel who follow their twisted doctrine. so its not colour, is it, the fact that europe has played a major role should be acknowledged, its the last empire, as in the 10 crowns of the beast of babylon/7headed dragon/tribe of dan. i don't know why white people get mad, they are pawns of rome, its rome who brought you north europeans christianity isn't it? so why take it personally? i recognise rome, but i don't hate italians do i, see its the automatic programmed arrogance that automatically makes whites identify themselves with christ/rome? when no one goes to church, reads the bible anyway, its hypocritical. thats why i take liberties and take the piss( the british side of me, lol), people get upset, with one word, "white", when they ignore, rome, vatican etc, its jokes, it shows the powerful memes you are infected by. it provokes an automatic reaction, which if you looked at objectively, you would recognise its purpose. its designed to illicit support for rome, white christ, a wonderful piece of mind control.

look at these groups from all faiths/colours, united. its like people who hate jews, why, its not jews who kill, its zionists, rome freaks, wahabbis.

http://www.nkusa.org/
Orthodox Jews Denounce 'Israel' and its Policies


http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm
Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists
Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews

http://www.harunyahya.com/index.php

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/newsite/index.php

http://www.mujca.com/

Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth


see its nothing to do with yashuah, its do with the talmud, the antichrist.

[synergy777]

in britian, look at the media, everyday its muslim this muslim that. its asians are here, send them back, its the police harrassing asian and african youths, pulling us over, all the jealous bullshit. they can't stand our success, it hurts them inside. we have property here and in india, in 30 years we have amassed more wealth than most have in 100 plus/genrations years, and we have done it with odds in their favour. not all whites are like this, but alot hold resentment inside.

all we see is the spin of the media, the uproar when foreign companies want to buy british businesses, like at least we are doing it legally through shares and not imperialism. they don't like the fact that the third world is being developed, that china, india, russia, south america, middle east are uniting with energy/trade/military agreements, its natural. the age of empires comes and go, the shift is too hard for them to take.

its the letting go of superioirty, and the forthcoming equality they cannot take. its new to them, they are not top dogs anymore. they should be happy we are improving ourselves, but they hate it. on one hand they belittle us for backward "third world" countries, poor living conditions, then we start to develop they hate our development, what can we do? they need to realise their leaders are globalists, and only care for themselves, they don't care about race, look at murdoch, his wife is chinese. i am not even a muslim, but a sikh, and yet we get all labelled the same, he's asian, he's got a beard, he's muslim, he's a terrorist, its ignorant bullshit. thats like us thinking all whites are satanists, nazis, kkk people.also muslim are getting unfair treatment, so when people are oppressed, do you join the mob and attack them, or hold your own and defend them. its the same with torah jews, oh jews this jews that, nope its zionists not jews. thats why i posted the links above.

at the end of of the day, my blood, genetics, appearence is like my avatar, its asiatic, then i am english. you are your blood first and then place of birth. when italians/celts who are born in england, keep their culture, language, they are free from oppression from europeans, when asians do it, oooh they don't integrate, wear funny clothes, have smelly food, speak funny etc. why the difference in treatment? italians speak italian, celts learn gaelic languages like welsh, gaelic/olde irish etc. this is why many italians/celts in england, are good friends of asians, they love the fact we stick to our culture like they do.

we are lucky to have two cultures we should have "freedom" to enjoy both. we should all celberate our cultures not be forced in denying them, thats the elite policy to rob people of family, culture, religion and nationality. so without this foundation we cry for supra governments a borg like oneness, and crave a consumer culture to fulfill spiritual/emotional needs, and its working a treat.

[eternal_spirit]

Well expressed synergy, good points. If we could take all the good from all cultures, races and work together then the fundamentalists, propagandists would have less power over the people. Power in numbers. I'm a bit off track with the thread but....... Or else we run the risk of all anarchy and mistrust of each others culture happening here.

Last thing we need in the UK is another Jerusalem kind of situation. I could use some of that Indian hemp right now lol.

[positive terror]

I've always felt that Jewish people had special talents for finance,legal professions and the arts - just look at the examples everywhere

Yes , I believe that too. But I believe that the purpose of their ¨special talents¨ was to bad purposes and to control the rest of humanity like beasts.
They have a ¨special talents¨ in cheating, lies, robery, tortures, black magic...etc...
They have a really ¨special talents¨ in all what is with satanic powers to do.

[seanx]

[QUOTE]Yes , I believe that too. But I believe that the purpose of their ¨special talents¨ was to bad purposes and to control the rest of humanity like beasts.
They have a ¨special talents¨ in cheating, lies, robery, tortures, black magic...etc...
They have a really ¨special talents¨ in all what is with satanic powers to do.

/QUOTE]

What garbage.

What age are you?

I've met 10 year old kids with more maturity of
thought.

[cheeb]

Yes , I believe that too. But I believe that the purpose of their ¨special talents¨ was to bad purposes and to control the rest of humanity like beasts.
They have a ¨special talents¨ in cheating, lies, robery, tortures, black magic...etc...
They have a really ¨special talents¨ in all what is with satanic powers to do.

Flippin' heck!
I had to look at the date.
I thought I'd gone back in time to 9th-10th November 1938.
Are the Nurenberg laws coming back?

[james777]

Synergy Bredgrin', you have some absolutely phenomenal points here so far. What is it with the ADL? It's not fair to lump all jews into the same catagory but the ADL seems to speak for the jewish race as a whole?

What is their power or source of energy? Is it as simple of them(ADL) holding the 'power of perception' over our line of sight?

Do you believe in the holocaust? Do you believe that the ancient 'kabbalah' and the 'flower of life' hold real and certain powers? Do you think that this has fallen into the wrong hands?

[positive terror]

Shoooooooo, slowly slowly .

I am not a nazi an d I am against racism. That first.

I have friends who are jews, but I say the truth, and the truth its that the fucking sionist are the mother of the problems of our planet.

Now, the holocaust its gone, the nazis are gone, the racism is gone....
Where is the danger now? The fucking zionist , the jews of israel an the jews of the united states of israel.
They are the mother of all the secret societes, and the more dangerous people in the world, because of the talmud and their soberbity.

Im not talking about the normal jews and the people like us, the citizens.

Im talking about all the fucking politics and the senate, and all teh fucking jews who control media, money and the governements of other people, like the usa ...an england too, what a fuck!!!

So, shoooooooooooooooooooooo, slowly my friends , slowly.

[seanx]

Do you believe in the holocaust?

What type of human being can even ask a question like that?

[positive terror]

Do you believe in the holocaust?

Thats not the right question my friend , the right one would be like this:

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF THE HOLOCAUST AGAINST THE JEWS, THE JEWS HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROVOCATE A HOLOCAUST AGAINST THE WORLD?

[anoninnyc]

thanks for the explanation synergy. different history here in the usa obviously. hindu indians are generally considered harmless and successful, though in the 80's there was a rash of violence against Hindus. Muslims are discriminated against though, and groups who are stupidly mistaken for Muslims such as Sikhs. As an Iranian-American it was hard on my family post Iranian hostage crisis and also post 9-11. Guess that is why I think people who hate all jews are idiots. I didn't like people judging me and disliking me for something I have no control over and I refuse to do that to other people. But it is the muslims who are perhaps the strongest in their hatred of the jews and vice versa. I guess it is like the irish catholics and the english. funny because hallal and kosher are almost identical as is so much of islam and judaism. also we all know that arabs and jews are brothers. guess there is nothing so harsh and terrible as sibling rivalry.

[anoninnyc]

What type of human being can even ask a question like that?

i believe in the holocaust but i believe that there have been many lies about it and it has been used as a tool for evil. read norman finkelstein's book the holocaust industry. it is a sick and terrible thing to deny the holocaust. i know survivors, and the tattoos are so haunting. it is also a terrible thing to use the victims of the holocaust for your own agenda and to not be 100% truthful about certain things, leaving the door open for racists with their own agenda to cling to the fallacies and deny the whole holocaust.

[synergy777]

I didn't like people judging me and disliking me for something I have no control over and I refuse to do that to other people

spot on sis. as for jews, i has a jewish friend at uni, he served in the israeli army/national service. he after his duty in the army, became a pacifist/hippy, he experienced war first hand, he saw the futility/carnage of it. he was a jew, from israel, me an indian, he was one of the best people i ever met. he lives in ny, a great guy. see i have met good/bad from every faith/nation.so you have to rise above the mass view/media spin.

as for jews, to know ther history, read flavius josephus, a jewish historian from the ancient days. read contra apinon, chapter 1,verse 22. the origins of jews, the creations of jerusalem is explained, i could post it, but lets see if anyone bothers to research it?, ah f it, i will post it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2497.html

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0307/ET14-8222.html
Hebrews And Vedic Brahmins

FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS CONTRA APION CHAPTER 1 VERSE 22:16-17

This man then, [answered Aristotle,] was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem.

[synergy777]

http://www.socinian.org/files/TestimoniumFlavianum.pdf
PDF] Flavius Josephus and His Testimony Concerning the Historical Jesus ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
ancient sources and opinions of his contemporary scholars. ...... Josephus did not believe in Jesus though in Contra Celsum Origen stated that Josephus was ...
www.socinian.org/files/TestimoniumFlavianum.pdf - Similar pages


flavius josephus contra opinion - Google Search

[seanx]

i believe in the holocaust but i believe that there have been many lies about it and it has been used as a tool for evil. read norman finkelstein's book the holocaust industry. it is a sick and terrible thing to deny the holocaust. i know survivors, and the tattoos are so haunting. it is also a terrible thing to use the victims of the holocaust for your own agenda and to not be 100% truthful about certain things, leaving the door open for racists with their own agenda to cling to the fallacies and deny the whole holocaust

Good post - and reasonable points, anoninnyc.

But for a person to ask - 'do you believe in the holocaust'? as if
it was just a matter of personal choice is quite disturbing.

I'm Irish - and if someone said to me - 'do you believe the irish
famine happened?'- as if it were something that might not exist
because it might offend some political principles, I would find sick.

There is a grave in Co tipperary where some of my relatives -
some, just kids are buried. So it's pretty real.

I've no doubt we have some jewish people on this forum who
would find that question highly upsetting.

[cheeb]

Yes they are brothers,with the sane lineage.

Shem-oldest son of Noah,(this is where semite comes from)
Also known as melchezzedic in rabbinical literature,
King of Salem.
Their father was Abraham.
The brothers are Ishmeal and Issac,
2 nations one father.

[dondaz]

Hey synergy, you should come to Birmingham and give us a lecture on this stuff. I see the demonisation of asians all over Brum, tv, newspapers and radio. A lot of ingorant and misinformed people around who just follow what they are told by msm.

Serious demonisation of women who wish to wear veils. All to break the belief system down and so they can take pictures of everone's face for the fascist cctv.

Interesting thread;)

[synergy777]

dondaz cheers bro, all in good time, and there betta be a beer and curry in it, lol. i have enough cousins in brum/wallsall/west brom, there is a massive sikh community in brum.

why do people act like they do with regards to religion/nationality etc, its because, people are arrogant, black, white, brown, christian, muslim, jew, they think because they are living in developed times, that they automatically are developed aswell, automatic for the people, lol. i was like this, educated, thought i knew everything, the folly of youth, the danger of a little knowledge.

see muslims talk about veils, but nowhere in the koran does it say wear a veil. its suggest modest dress, eg no miniskirts etc, but most chicks wear jeans, tops. it was meant to be modest dress, ie not dressing up like bellydancers, you have take it in context of the epoch/region. etc, the whole ninja outfit is an insult to mohammed. he introduced islam and paved the way for equality, the tribal laws, the oral laws of the clergy, superseded this after mohammeds death. most intelligent muslims, you can see they let their wives/kids dress western, in a modest/civil style etc.

the ignorant to be honest like the power trip/control it gives them over the women, they don't admit it, so use religion to give them credibility and cover up their insecurity/hypocracy. personally, they should be scared of allah, lol for not following the koran.

the moderate muslims know the score, but are themselves targets of the extremists, so stay quiet. the extremists have used the fearful image of themselves to bully people. not blowing my trumpet, but sikhs are use to this, so we don't fear them one bit, they know it aswell. in fact moderate muslims and sikhs are friendly towards eachothers, i have muslim friends. see in the koran, its even said test things, further your study, learn things, however many muslims don't, they merely follow the imams etc. someone who follows the koran in his soul, would never attack, and this i mean as a sikh having read parts of the koran, i was blown away by all the peaceful stuff, brothers/sisters, compassion, mercy, people of the book( it calls jews, christians, as this) etc, it was a pleasant surprise. this is why muslims, real muslims, who love their religion more than the corrupt leaders, have to stand up against the extremists. islam is embroiled in a civil war, look at sunnis, shias, wahabbis, sufi's.

all religions are going to fall, mark my words due to alliegence to false doctrines, just as the masons planned it. then when people are lost/tired of wars, scared of the future, the real masonic doctrine will be revealed, the luciferic doctrine. the prs of pikes letter to mazzini.

[hapax]

You cannot legislate against emotions. You cannot "forbid" hatred. Any attempt to do so goes against basic human nature. Hatred will only emerge more strongly and more viciously if it is bottled up, shut inside - yet because we are made to feel "guilty" about "hate", that's just what modern "hate laws" are going to achieve. No-one wants to admit to "hate" - it's becoming a big guilty secret like masturbation or something.

Also, there's nothing wrong with "hatred". Everyone should realize it's just the other side of the coin to love. Each needs the other. The song should have said: "All you need is...balance between love and hate" - that's why Buddhism and Hinduism both have teachings concerning higher states of consciousness beyond dualities such as hate and love.

Anyone who does not "hate" evildoers such as Zionists, the corrupt leadership of the USI (=United States of Israel), environmental rapist bankers, warmongers etc etc.) is not being true either to themselves or to the highest morality achievable by us dualistic creatures. We aren't going to be able to love evildoers off our planet. A bit of hate might, however, help.

Positive terror is quite right to point out the hatred Jews have for non-Jews - and the fact that this is encouraged by the Talmud. To deflect attention from their own extreme hatred of non-Jews, Jews make even the mildest criticism of anything Jewish into "hate" - and turn the full weight of the corrupt legal system against anyone who utters such criticism. This they can only do by controlling the media and the monetary system. We do not have that option. Therefore "hate laws" will always favor the Jews (and those who prostitute themselves to Jewish power for favors and protection). So for example white male Nazis will never be protected by anti-hate laws even though almost everyone hates them.

As for the Holohoax: this is what Jews use to silence any criticism of them - because we "all know" where "hating" Jews leads - the "gas chamber". In other words, it's a way of guilt-tripping everyone into not hating them. And if you should dare to deny the Holohoax - then it's jail for you (as many German historians now know - but of course jailing people for expressing an opinion doesn't count as "hate").

Book downloads here if you want to expand the scope of your historical reading (http://www.vho.org/index.html).

[hapax]

i believe in the holocaust but i believe that there have been many lies about it and it has been used as a tool for evil. read norman finkelstein's book the holocaust industry. it is a sick and terrible thing to deny the holocaust. i know survivors, and the tattoos are so haunting.

Can we just get one thing straight: the Nazis NEVER tattooed any numbers on any Jews.

1. The tattooing accusations of Jewish camp tattooists are false. For a start would the SS have entrusted a task like that to them? They would have had official SS tattooist teams with official approved German-made tattoo machines with plans, blueprints, a full system of documents, papers filled out in triplicate - none of which ever existed even in Jewish fantasies.

2. A cork, needle and soot - and the entire numbering system could be sabotaged by the prisoners (as any tattooed convict could tell you). Turn a 3 into an 8 and the system is screwed. The Nazis were not stupid.

3. The extant random tattoo numbers do not correlate with the IBM punch card numbers the Nazis DID use. What's the point of a tattoo numbering system for inmates if no-one records those numbers, or cross-references them to the camp computer records? What's the point of tattooing them if you're going to gas them anyway??

4. After the War a number tattoo was the ONLY way to "prove" to the authorities that you were a Jewish "survivor" and thus deserved favorable treatment and compensation. A number tattoo was a ticket to a new life in the USA. So loads of Jews - and others including SS- did them AFTER the War to "prove" they had been "persecuted".

And of course if you accuse Jews of lying about their number tattoos you are a "hater".

Show Me or Draw Me a Nazi Tattooing Machine by C.W.Porter (http://www.cwporter.com/tattoo1.htm)
Show Me or Draw Me a Nazi Tattooing Machine Part 2 (http://www.cwporter.com/tattoo2.htm)
Show Me or Draw Me a Nazi Tattooing Machine Part 3 (http://www.cwporter.com/tattoo3.htm)

WORLD RECORD 2005: "178 simple tattoos in 35 1/2 hours, using modern equipment and a team of two people. So one Jew at Auschwitz tattoos 200,000 people with two needles and a pot of ink?" C.W.Porter.

[anoninnyc]

As for the Holohoax: this is what Jews use to silence any criticism of them - because we "all know" where "hating" Jews leads - the "gas chamber". In other words, it's a way of guilt-tripping everyone into not hating them. And if you should dare to deny the Holohoax - then it's jail for you (as many German historians now know - but of course jailing people for expressing an opinion doesn't count as "hate").

Book downloads here if you want to expand the scope of your historical reading (http://www.vho.org/index.html).


I believe in free speech. i find racists repugnant yet what i find even worse is infringing on our freedoms of speech. while i do not agree with calling it the holohoax......... as i personally know survivors of the holocaust i still value freedom of speech above all else.

what truly bothers me is seeing a good man such as norman finkelstein, both of his parents were holocaust survivors and he was disgusted at how israel and powerful jewish organizations in the usa have hijacked the holocaust for their own agendas. this is what leads to the people saying, well maybe the whole thing is a scam, which it most certainly is not. stifling debate gives food for thought to those who call it the holohoax. it is so much more complex than that. the holocaust happened and its victims got re-victimized by powerful forces using their suffering to get money and power. very sad indeed. for speaking the truth, norman finkelstein gets harassed by the adl and has been fired from universities and now is denied tenure. a shame.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/

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now i believe in freedom of speech and all but i think that we should all be aware that if you post anti-jewish things on david icke's website this will just give fodder to the adl and gang in its harassment of david icke. and the thing is lawsuits cost $$$$$$$$$$ which i imagine david icke does not have terribly much of. another tactic by the adl and gang is to pressure the government on down to the owner of the spot where david icke would speak in order to silence him. so i think that we should all be aware that to be considerate maybe we shouldn't try to make david icke's life any more difficult. and besides........... it IS wrong to hate a whole group of people. If you want to hate the judaism or the talmud in particular, go ahead. if you want to hate zionism go right ahead. but if you hate Jews you are also lumping in good jewish people such as norman finkelstein, the guy who sells me my newspaper, my friend lisa, etc. and that I do have a problem with. of course it is still your right to do so...... but i would hope that on this forum we can try to be better people and not let hatred rule us. and keep in mind that perhaps the greatest victims of the nwo/illuminati/whatever you want to call it were the jewish people who did not have the money or the power to escape from the holocaust. the nwo loves to divide and conquer. so long as you have some other bad guy to go after then you won't focus on them. so if you want to hate the rothchilds that makes a lot more sense than hating the steiners down the street who are just human beings living life like the rest of us.

[anoninnyc]

Can we just get one thing straight: the Nazis NEVER tattooed any numbers on any Jews.



this is all a side discussion and i don't have the time to research fully. synergy's theories of jews coming from the brahmins is much more interesting to me right now and i have much reading to do.

let's get back to the original question as ask Why is it wrong to hate Jews?

because it is wrong to hate an entire ethnic group. what if there is re-incarnation, perhaps you will be born a jew in your next life. if you have no religious beliefs at all, then isn't it just random what ethnicity you are born as?

how does your views on the holocaust actually impact this question? even if you think the holocaust is a scam, etc. why would it be ok to hate an entire ethnic group? i don't see the connection. i mean, i am american and iranian and both governments have done some crazy evil stuff over the years, yet i don't see why you would hate ME for that.

[kblood]

You cannot legislate against emotions. You cannot "forbid" hatred. Any attempt to do so goes against basic human nature. Hatred will only emerge more strongly and more viciously if it is bottled up, shut inside - yet because we are made to feel "guilty" about "hate", that's just what modern "hate laws" are going to achieve. No-one wants to admit to "hate" - it's becoming a big guilty secret like masturbation or something.

Also, there's nothing wrong with "hatred". Everyone should realize it's just the other side of the coin to love. Each needs the other. The song should have said: "All you need is...balance between love and hate" - that's why Buddhism and Hinduism both have teachings concerning higher states of consciousness beyond dualities such as hate and love.


I agree with not forbidding against emotions, but hate still is a negative feeling. I have felt it many times, and it never feels good. I usually doesnt bring you any good to have hate against anything. Please tell me what good that has come from hate? Even being angry?

Even though I dont think it is wrong to hate, I strongly believe that avoiding hate is the better choice, if you have one.

If a jew conciously follow this Talmud, then I dont think that jew doing so will be rewarded spiritually in any way. I do find it kinda wierd that they suddenly "inhereted" Israel. Also the Talmud is the reason jews was hunted like animals even long before the holocaust in WW2 as far as I know. I for one see the talmud as hatefull and arrogant, and what has happened to those unfortunate enough to follow that belief?

I dont know any jews, so I dont know what to think of them myself. I have very vague experiences of them, and all are something I have read or seen on TV. Therefore I cant really say anything about why or why not to hate the jews, I just know that I dont believe in generalisation. There are probably many jews in the world with nothing but good intentions.

[anoninnyc]

I dont know any jews, so I dont know what to think of them myself. I have very vague experiences of them, and all are something I have read or seen on TV. Therefore I cant really say anything about why or why not to hate the jews, I just know that I dont believe in generalisation. There are probably many jews in the world with nothing but good intentions.

wow. you really don't know any jews? that would be impossible here in nyc. so many here and the majority of them are wonderful, kind and loving people. you are right to not generalize. jewish people are just like any other group........... mainly nice with your few jerks thrown in the mix. i have quite a few jewish friends none of whom are religious or are zionists. in fact most jewish people i know personally are neither of those things.

[tinmenace]

i have quite a few jewish friends none of whom are religious or are zionists. in fact most jewish people i know personally are neither of those things.

Same here.

[mikeproteau]

Why is it Right to Hate anyone?

its right to hate because people have the freedom to choose to, hate is a natural choice

[limelady]

its right to hate because people have the freedom to choose to, hate is a natural choice

We all have the freedom to experience any emotion we choose,
but we need to ask how hating somebody (or a whole race of people)
serves anyone? :confused:

And is hating REALLY a "natural" choice?

Or has humanity been taught to hate?

On the other hand, anger (often considered a negative emotion) is an emotion that can serve us when we experience it, because it often spurs us into action when action is most needed, but I can see nothing worthwhile about hated, especially when its associated with our fellow human beings.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2499/lovelimeoa6.jpg

[ashyr]

" ENERGY FLOWS WHERE ATTENTION GOES" who says that? i spose its true. but all scientist also say "ENERGY ALWAYS RETURNS TO THE SOURCE"

now. dont freak out here but

i personally hate jews.
and ive got enough balls to say it.

the way i hate the JEWS is the same as how DAVID dislikes the REPTILIANS/ILLUMINATI.

now you understand that its not all of them. but a faction/sect of them that i extremely hate.

and why NOT HATE. hate is as much of a emotion as LOVE. now i pitty any man who knows not to what i speak. and you all can delude yourselfs as much as your capable. but HATE is necesarry. i love hate. its a great tool. so is love.
but hey rise above it. LOVE and HATE are just a bullshit emotion. exherted by those weak pathetic fools as in a sense to have judgement over something COVERTLY. you know it to be true. its like me telling you to make something apear before my eyes. i dont care how you do it. hey if this helps ill close my eyes.

you get my drift.

jews are theifs. i dispise there behaviour over humanity. they are the reasons 4 out of the 5 major problems in this world are continuing to ruin and decimate the planet.
BANKING,PROSTITUTION,GAMBLING to name a few. they have never had anything worth treasuring, if they did they wouldnt have stolen so much shit.
they stole everthing they have. there fuckign public media masters. god theres so many incidents in my life where ive been doing people a good service. be it paid or unpaid. or public service. and these bastards "JEWS" are always the ones who are FUSSY, thats not right. i want it like this. oh can u please just do that bit extra. frustraiting people. and its not until aftwards my mates are going yer there fucking jew's . i never knew. lol but hey i dont judge people who face me. but i know by looking into there souls as i do that they are bad people. it just so happends that its uncanny that its these certain types of people all turn out to be "JEWISH" arses.!

[synergy777]

hate is a illogical emotion, its all consuming, enthrophic and only makes you what you despise. the nwo hates us, and yet we say hate is good? being like them is not going to elevate you. hating a certain set of people is only going to do YOURSELF damage not them. oppose them, defeat them, be angry its natural, but use your brain/soul and beat them, don't hate them. hate is what they do, do you really want to be as shallow, doomed as them? do you really want to sink to their level, or do you want to be better than them? as for hating a set of people thats juvenile/myopic. i spent years hating, it ain't worth it, a waste of energy.

also what happened to the other thread about the talmud by positive terror?

[revolutionary_jam]

It's "wrong to hate jews" because that is hating someone for their religion which is biggotry.

[eternal_spirit]

Seems it's okay for people here to hate Christianity and Christians are considered fair game and I'm getting a little tired of seeing the same put downs time after time.

Then some of us speak the truth about how evil the Jewish religion is and we're considered racist and haters, by the same people who call Christians.:confused:

[eternal_spirit]

BTW How come there are no Jews here speaking out against the NWO and the other bad stuff going down. We have lot's of Christians here who provide good information, but they get called for being Christians and the good info they produce isn't recognised for what it is the thruth.

[eternal_spirit]

Judaism and christianity both have teachings from the Old Testament? Jesus was considered King of the Jews ? So these two religions and peoples came from the same place?

[kooo]

Seems it's okay for people here to hate Christianity and Christians are considered fair game and I'm getting a little tired of seeing the same put downs time after time.

Then some of us speak the truth about how evil the Jewish religion is and we're considered racist and haters, by the same people who call Christians.:confused:

It's called political correctness.

[eternal_spirit]

It's called political correctness.

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Yes, that's a part of it. LOL like the avatar kooo.

Political correctness isn't something devised by the average joe, but devised by the Elite and implemented by the Politicians too brainwash the public into having certain beliefs and views they wan't us to have. It takes away freespeech in some instances and covers up truths by doing so.

[revolutionary_jam]

Seems it's okay for people here to hate Christianity and Christians are considered fair game and I'm getting a little tired of seeing the same put downs time after time.

Then some of us speak the truth about how evil the Jewish religion is and we're considered racist and haters, by the same people who call Christians.:confused:

It's not biggoted to hate christianity or hate judaism, but it IS biggoted to hate christians and to hate jews. Both are equally unacceptable in my book.

BTW How come there are no Jews here speaking out against the NWO and the other bad stuff going down. We have lot's of Christians here who provide good information, but they get called for being Christians and the good info they produce isn't recognised for what it is the thruth.

Eh-eh-em:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

[kooo]

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Yes, that's a part of it. LOL like the avatar kooo.

Political correctness isn't something devised by the average joe, but devised by the Elite and implemented by the Politicians too brainwash the public into having certain beliefs and views they wan't us to have. It takes away freespeech in some instances and covers up truths by doing so.

Exactly. A lot of these people think they are rebels but they are actually puppets having their strings pulled by the NWO, I can't understand how they can fall for this when it all seems so obvious, but I suppose that's the price they pay for allowing themselves to be brainwashed. Also, all this anti negative thinking is part of the problem, it stifles debate in the same way - Icke (elite) has pulled a blinder!

I can picture the scene, Jews will market the microchip and anyone who refuses to have one will be labelled anti Semitic. Sounds mad but I can see it happening.

[anoninnyc]

" ENERGY FLOWS WHERE ATTENTION GOES" who says that? i spose its true. but all scientist also say "ENERGY ALWAYS RETURNS TO THE SOURCE"

now. dont freak out here but

i personally hate jews.
and ive got enough balls to say it.

the way i hate the JEWS is the same as how DAVID dislikes the REPTILIANS/ILLUMINATI.

now you understand that its not all of them. but a faction/sect of them that i extremely hate.


Then you do not hate the jews, you hate some jews. am i correct? what do you think of norman finkelstein? www.normanfinkelstein.com do you hate him solely because he is jewish ethnically? because he is anti-zionist and i don't see how it would make sense to hate such a man. so i don't think you have balls by saying you hate jews, i think you are making a moronic statement. i personally do not approve of the talmud and i think zionism is evil, in fact i hate zionism. i try not to hate anyone, but if i did i would hate zionists. but to hate jewish people is just ridiculous. i have known too many good and kind jewish people to hate all jewish people because of some bad apples. i am american and i sure hope people don't hate me because of george bush and gang.

[eternal_spirit]

The rite of circumcision (brit milah) is performed on the eighth day of a boy's life. (There is no parallel practice for girls, and "female circumcision" has nothing to do with Judaism.) The ritual usually takes place in the morning at the family's home.
Circumcision is commanded in Genesis 17:10-14 as an outward sign of a man's participation in Israel's covenant with God, as well as a sign that the Jewish people will perpetuate through him. The commandment is incumbent upon both father and child - fathers must see that their sons are circumcised, and uncircumcised grown men are obligated to perform the rite.
Those who are not circumcised suffer the penalty of kareit, no matter how otherwise observant they may be. Perhaps in part for this reason, circumcision is the mitzvah most likely to be observed by otherwise non-observant Jews.

[eternal_spirit]

Circumcision is so important that it may be performed on the Sabbath or a holiday, despite prohibitions of drawing blood on those days. Yet the ceremony may be postponed for health reasons, and then it cannot be performed until seven days after a physician has declared the child healthy. If this occurs, the rite cannot be performed on the Sabbath or holiday, because there is no longer sufficient reason to violate the general law of the holy days.
Circumcision is performed by a mohel, an observant Jew who has been trained in the relevant Jewish law and surgical techniques. (In most traditions, circumcision performed by a physician is not valid even if a rabbi is present, although the Reform movement has begun to accept such circumcisions.)
It is a preferable to have a minyan present for the ritual, but it is not necessary. Only the father and the mohel must be present, but the mother and the godparents (kwater and kwaterin) are usually present as well.
During the ceremony the child is held by a person designated as the sandek, who is usually a grandparent or family rabbi. An empty chair is set aside to symbolize the presence of the prophet Elijah, who rebuked those who had forsaken the ritual. He now presides over all circumcision ceremonies to ensure the continuation of the ritual.
Before the procedure, the infant may be given a couple of drops of wine to ease the pain. The mohel recites benedictions of circumcision, then the father offers the blessing:

[eternal_spirit]

Blessed are You, Adonai our God, Ruler of the Universe, who has sanctified us with your commandments and commanded us to bring him into the covenant of Abraham, our father. Any guests present say, "Amen," and then give the blessing:
As he entered the covenant, may he enter into the study of Torah, into marriage and into the doing of good deeds. The procedure itself, which is very brief, then takes place with the sandek holding the infant in his lap. Afterwards, the child is bandaged, dressed, and given a name. The mother and father will often say a few words about the significance of the name. The event will usually be celebrated by a festive meal hosted by the family.
If a child was previously circumcised in a religiously invalid way, or born with no foreskin, the same ceremony is held but with only a symbolic pinprick of the tip of the penis. This ceremony is called the hatafat dam brit.
In recent years, circumcision has become something of a controversy, with some people denouncing the practice as unnecessary or harmful. {1} (http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/cycle/circumcision.htm#1) However, this is a medical issue, not a religious one. Very few Jews are convinced by those who believe circumcision to be mentally or physically damaging, and as far as it being medically unnecessary, it was never practiced for that reason. Like many mitzvot, circumcision is performed simply because God has commanded it and any practical benefits are secondary.

http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/cycle/circumcision.htm

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Unfortunatley this is true, how could any parent in the name of religion put a baby through this pain:confused:

[kblood]

wow. you really don't know any jews? that would be impossible here in nyc. so many here and the majority of them are wonderful, kind and loving people. you are right to not generalize. jewish people are just like any other group........... mainly nice with your few jerks thrown in the mix. i have quite a few jewish friends none of whom are religious or are zionists. in fact most jewish people i know personally are neither of those things.

I once visited NYC Manhatten on a study trip. It was great :D Some things about jews made me wonder though... Why do they get special seats and prices when they travel by plane? Do they have some racist fob in the government who made them have special rights in the US? Is it to protect them from jew haters? Maybe it is just me who have misunderstood, but rabies are jews arent they?

I do understand why some people might hate jewish beliefs and maybe some jews personally. I dont think that as directly wrong. Still I would rather see if any of those jews really belief what they are taught by their family, or at least what they are supposed to believe in. By any of those jews, I am refering to the jews I might know if I lived near jews. Sometimes I simply have to challenge the beliefs of those I know to see if they can stand by them, and maybe I will learn something new from it.

[eternal_spirit]

This circumcison business, are the average jew so afraid of the Priesthood, or afraid of becoming a social outcast, are they brainwashed or what? Isn't it time the average Jew who is born into Judaism to say NO to this diabolical practice?

[kblood]

In response to what Eternal Spirit wrote:
I think that the jewish circumcision ritual is somewhat against what I would see as human rights. How about waiting till they are 15 or 18 and let them make the choice for themselves?

There are worse rituals though imo. Some islamic rituals are about doing female circumcision. I have met a teenage girl who got one, and she felt less of a woman for it. If im not mistaken a female circumcision is to cut away their "sexual center" in their vagina called a clitoris, and therefore sex or love wont really be something they will ever be able to experience with the same pleasure as those who didnt get this forced upon them. If female circumcision is done to someone who choose it, I guess it is their right to choose that, but otherwise it just seems so wrong to me. Just thinking about thousand of babies have circumcision done to them before they are even teenagers just makes it shiver down my back.

[anoninnyc]

I once visited NYC Manhatten on a study trip. It was great :D Some things about jews made me wonder though... Why do they get special seats and prices when they travel by plane? Do they have some racist fob in the government who made them have special rights in the US? Is it to protect them from jew haters? Maybe it is just me who have misunderstood, but rabies are jews arent they?



Jews don't get special seats and prices when they travel by plane. No idea what you are talking about. Perhaps they were traveling in a group or used some discount airlines. you can arrange what seat you get beforehand. many people are unaware of this, but it is not a special privilege or anything.

Yes there are all sorts of lobbying groups in the usa who serve special interests, jewish interests included. we have a very messed up system over here.

and we do have anti-hate crime laws here meaning that the penalties are stiffer if you commit a crime that is racially motivated. this helps jews, blacks and other minority groups.

rabies is a disease that you can get when a wild animal bites you. i think you are referring to rabbis who are the equivalent of a jewish priest or mullah, etc. so yes the rabbis are jewish.

[anoninnyc]

There are worse rituals though imo. Some islamic rituals are about doing female circumcision. I have met a teenage girl who got one, and she felt less of a woman for it. If im not mistaken a female circumcision is to cut away their "sexual center" in their vagina called a clitoris, and therefore sex or love wont really be something they will ever be able to experience with the same pleasure as those who didnt get this forced upon them.

Female genital mutilation is NOT Islamic, it is cultural and practiced in parts of Africa. I was raised in a Muslim Iranian household and this is not a practice ever done on Iranian women. I don't think Arab women generally do it either, maybe some north african arabs, but it is more of an african thing i think.

[anoninnyc]

Islam
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Please help Wikipedia by adding references. See the talk page for details.

FGC predates Islam and is not practiced by the majority of Muslims, but has acquired a religious dimension.[19]

Genital modification and mutilation is not explicitly endorsed in the Qur'an.

In Saudi Arabia, in the area known as the Hijaz, where Islam originated, FGC was practiced during the lifetime of Muhammad. To call a man a "circumciser of women" was an insult among the pagan Arabs at the time. Any Islamic allusion to the practice encourages the mildest form of FGC and this was thought to be supported by Muhammad. A saying of Muhammad[citation needed] rejected by the majority of Medieval scholars of hadith, and accepted by only a clear minority of Islamic scholars, states that "a woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. Muhammad said to her, 'Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.'"[20] While a majority of scholars hold that this hadith does not require anyone to perform or undergo a circumcision, some scholars go further and hold that in the light of "games of chance" (maysir) being prohibited in the Qur'an, the rather unspecified term "severely" intentionally inherits the risk of a cut being deemed as too severe by Muhammad and/or God so that the tradition could easily be abolished later on.[citation needed] Only one of the four Islamic schools of jurisprudence or law, the Shafi'i school, ordered for a "slight trimming" of the hood of the clitoris, supposedly in order to enhance sexual pleasure for the woman.

Amongst all Muslim sects, including the Shi'ite tradition of Islam, the practice of female circumcision has never been to remove the clitoris. This form is outlawed by all leading Shi'ite Marjas that interpret Sharia traditions. The main form of surgery is to remove a small piece of the hood over the clitoris in order to increase sexual pleasure. This act is considered Mustahab, "duties recommended, but not essential", and not Wajib or compulsory. In general the Islamic clergy do not support the practice; Shaykh Faraz Rabbani states "As for excision, FGM, or other harmful practices, which have become culturally widespread, none of these are in any way permitted."[21]

However there are some who have been adamant about its religious importance amongst Muslims. In 1994, Egyptian Mufti Sheikh Jad Al-Hâqq 'Ali Jad Al-Hâqq issued a fatwa stating: "Circumcision is mandatory for men and for women. If the people of any village decide to abandon it, the [village] imam must fight against them as if they had abandoned the call to prayer.[22] The Al-Azhar University in Cairo has issued several fatwas endorsing FGC, in 1949, 1951 and 1981.[23] However, in March 2005, Dr Ahmed Talib, Dean of the Faculty of Sharia at the Al-Azhar University, stated: "All practices of female circumcision and mutilation are crimes and have no relationship with Islam. Whether it involves the removal of the skin or the cutting of the flesh of the female genital organs...it is not an obligation in Islam.[24] Both Christian and Muslim leaders have publicly denounced the practice of FGC since 1998.[25]

Many Muslim scholars believe FGC is practiced as a result of ignorance and misconceived religious fervor rather than for reasons of true religious doctrine. A recent conference at the Al-Azhar University in Cairo (December, 2006) brought prominent Muslim clergy to denounce the practice as not being necessary under the umbrella of Islam.[26] Although there was some reluctance amongst some of the clergy, who preferred to hand the issue to doctors, making the FGC a medical decision, rather than a religious one, the Grand Mufti Ali Jumaa of Egypt, signed a resolution denouncing the practice.[27]

In June 2007, 12-year-old girl named Bedur Ahmed Shaker was taken by her mother to a private clinic in Minya , a town on the Nile south of Cairo, for the FGC operation. She died before she could be transferred to hospital. [28] The resultant outcry by human rights organizations and the public has resulted in a ban of FGC by the Egyptian health ministry, which is expected to be backed up by legislation. [29]

Female genital mutilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from wikipedia so unsure of the veracity. but perhaps i spoke too quickly. all i know is that Iranian Muslims (who are Shi'a) do not practice such a barbaric ritual.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=kblood;87941]In response to what Eternal Spirit wrote:
I think that the jewish circumcision ritual is somewhat against what I would see as human rights. How about waiting till they are 15 or 18 and let them make the choice for themselves?

There are worse rituals though imo. Some islamic rituals are about doing female circumcision. I have met a teenage girl who got one, and she felt less of a woman for it. If im not mistaken a female circumcision is to cut away their "sexual center" in their vagina called a clitoris, and therefore sex or love wont really be something they will ever be able to experience with the same pleasure as those who didnt get this forced upon them.
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male circumcision also lessens the pleasure of sex it removes many nerves which are contained in the foreskin, another reason they think it stops masturbation, this also happens in many African countries male and female, afterall it goes back to the Egyptians as being the first peoples known to have performed this insanity. It's also part of some Mystery school initiaction ceromonies

[synergy777]

why don't you be good christians and be nice? see me and anon are asians, and yet we stick up for the jews, its should be us hating them for palestine, our land being stolen, but we see through the zionists, and their oppression of the torah jews. there are many torah jews who are our brothers and sisters in this life. see we should look at kkk/nazis, and say they are christians, which makes all christians kkk/nazis, we don't, and you wouldn't want us to label you as kkk/nazis would you? so extend the same treatment to others, ie the torah jews.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.mujca.com/

see treat others as you wish to be treated, get it? as for circumsions, females get it, western males get it, why? us hindus, sikhs don't get it? we have tackle left in full piece, lol

[synergy777]

anon here quick link, now tie this into vedic brahmins, jerusalem, the story unravels.

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_X.htm

It is a well known fact that India is called Aryavart. Manu Smriti (2/21,22) describes the exact location of Aryavart which lies from the south of the Himalayas and all the way up to the Indian Ocean. Its inhabitants are called the Arya. But it is not a locally spoken name. But it is not a locally spoken name. Commonly, we write Bharatvarsh for India in general and scriptural writings. The territory of India (or Bharatvarsh for Aryavart) during the Mahabharat war (3139 BC) was up to Iran. So the ancient Iranian people also used to call themselves the Aryans.

now before this, africa ruled india/arabia etc, the naga kings etc.

[eternal_spirit]

why don't you be good christians and be nice? see me and anon are asians, and yet we stick up for the jews, its should be us hating them for palestine, our land being stolen, but we see through the zionists, and their oppression of the torah jews. there are many torah jews who are our brothers and sisters in this life. see we should look at kkk/nazis, and say they are christians, which makes all christians kkk/nazis, we don't, and you wouldn't want us to label you as kkk/nazis would you? so extend the same treatment to others, ie the torah jews.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.mujca.com/
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see treat others as you wish to be treated, get it? as for circumsions, females get it, western males get it, why? us hindus, sikhs don't get it? we have tackle left in full piece, lol
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The only reason circumcison came to the Uk and USA is because of the Jews and Africans brought it with them. The indigenous white population would never circumcise. Neither do the Christians.
There are more Jews in california than any other race, if you can class Jews as a race.
LOl let's not get side tracked with the colour issue. You know some say Hitler's mother was Jewish and so where som Nazis. Did satanism and Christianity come from Judaism? It's a certainity that many black magick rituals and Freemasonry have there origin in Judaism. They use the hexagram (star of david) like the state of Israels flag no coincidence?

[bennett211085]

I cant understand how anyone can think hating any group of people as a whole is acceptable, let alone hating anyone at all.
I'm pretty sure your ancestors arnt all completely innocent either but that doesn't mean I hold it against you personally, does it?

[eternal_spirit]

This circumcison business, are the average jew so afraid of the Priesthood, or afraid of becoming a social outcast, are they brainwashed or what? Isn't it time the average Jew who is born into Judaism to say NO to this diabolical practice?
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Anyone answer this question??????????????????? Preferably a Jew?

Here in the Uk The priests have trouble getting those born and baptised into Christianity to even read the Bible let alone go to Church, they have little influence over most of us.
I was by chance, born and baptised a catholic, but don't follow the religion or let it have any control over how I choose to live my life. My cousins says she refuses to have her kids baptised.
The Jews have to stand up to the priesthood and politicians.

[eternal_spirit]

I cant understand how anyone can think hating any group of people as a whole is acceptable, let alone hating anyone at all.
I'm pretty sure your ancestors arnt all completely innocent either but that doesn't mean I hold it against you personally, does it?
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The past has gone, it's now and the future that's important.

[anoninnyc]

anon here quick link, now tie this into vedic brahmins, jerusalem, the story unravels.

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_X.htm

It is a well known fact that India is called Aryavart. Manu Smriti (2/21,22) describes the exact location of Aryavart which lies from the south of the Himalayas and all the way up to the Indian Ocean. Its inhabitants are called the Arya. But it is not a locally spoken name. But it is not a locally spoken name. Commonly, we write Bharatvarsh for India in general and scriptural writings. The territory of India (or Bharatvarsh for Aryavart) during the Mahabharat war (3139 BC) was up to Iran. So the ancient Iranian people also used to call themselves the Aryans.

now before this, africa ruled india/arabia etc, the naga kings etc.

thanks synergy. not sure if you posted the right link....... but interesting anyway. i read the other links you had posted earlier. funny that i had never even made the connection between the golden calf of the hebrews and the cow in hinduism.

[eternal_spirit]

Some say all religion came from Hinduism,( the oldest known religion? ) also the New Age beliefs and many fasle untruths and spirtual nonsense.

[kblood]

Jews don't get special seats and prices when they travel by plane. No idea what you are talking about. Perhaps they were traveling in a group or used some discount airlines. you can arrange what seat you get beforehand. many people are unaware of this, but it is not a special privilege or anything.

Yes there are all sorts of lobbying groups in the usa who serve special interests, jewish interests included. we have a very messed up system over here.

and we do have anti-hate crime laws here meaning that the penalties are stiffer if you commit a crime that is racially motivated. this helps jews, blacks and other minority groups.

rabies is a disease that you can get when a wild animal bites you. i think you are referring to rabbis who are the equivalent of a jewish priest or mullah, etc. so yes the rabbis are jewish.

Sorry, I did think rabies was the disease just wasnt sure :o
When I was travelling from Amsterdam to NY you could sign as being a rabbie which required some kind of proof, or at least a good rabbie outfit. It at least seemed that it was to be some kind of difference for those who where rabbies. I dont remember it specifically so I hope you had an answer, but guess I was wrong about them getting special prices or something like that.

As for the answers giving about circumcison, it was very enlightening :) Good to know that it isnt as widely spread as I thought in some religions. The reason I thought it was an islamic ritual was that the girl I heard it from was islamic... as far as I know. I have had a very hard time to understand if they all found circumcison to be the way to introduce children to the world. Still some do, and I think it be a choice for those it is done to at a more mature age.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=synergy777;87957]why don't you be good christians and be nice? see me and anon are asians, and yet we stick up for the jews, its should be us hating them for palestine, our land being stolen,
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This is flawed logic. How is Palestine you're land, when you live in the UK? The Palestinians are Arabic, Muslim right?
what's that got to do with Asians?

[seanx]

Eternal spirit wrote:

Seems it's okay for people here to hate Christianity and Christians are considered fair game and I'm getting a little tired of seeing the same put downs time after time.

Then some of us speak the truth about how evil the Jewish religion is and we're considered racist and haters, by the same people who call Christians

Can only speak for myself personally - but what I 'attack' is the
idealogy of the christian fundamentalists coming on here
trying to 'save' us and 'convert' us to their fundamentalist beliefs,
by embedding all their posts with the usual: That 'Jesus will save
us. Repent..and all that.

And if fundamentalist Jews came on here to to 'spam' the
forum with thier extreme judiaism - most people here
would respond the same way.

Extreme judiaism and extreme Christianity - they're all the same.

That doesn't mean they don't have a right to tell us openingly
what they believe - but not to abuse the privilage by continually
'preaching' to us and not debating.

Now - Eternal spirit- you're fucking wise enough to know that the
thread by positive terror was nothing of the sort.

it was just racist ranting.

He wasn't a Jew trying to fill this forum with jewish religious stuff -
he was just a good old boy doing what he does best.

Yes, there are some evil jews, no doubt - but majority of jews
are just ordinary peopel trying to get ahead. Good people,

Yes, there are some evil Christians - but the majority of
Christians are just ordinary people trying to get ahead.
Good people.

What is sick is not the people but the insidious idealogy of these
extreme religious beliefs that literally control them.

You could probably compare them to living 'entities'. That spawn
into people hearts and minds ..and end up controlling them.


So it's not the fucking jew or the fucking Christian who we should
hate..... but these 'idealogical living monsters'.

[lifeofbrian]

I would like to start this thread off with a dis-claimer: I do not hate Jews and I am not 'anti-semitic'. I am only expressing my views and opinions on the matter.

You know, it bemuses me that it's such a 'crime' to hate jews or speak out against them. If you question 'jewish' history or question 'jewish' culture you get this great label called 'anti-semitic'. Hmmmmm, why? I just really don't get it. First, let's disect the meaning;

Anti- opposed to; against

Semitic- relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

OK, now, as far as I know this definition of 'Semitic' relates to A LOT more than just jews, so how does 'ANTI-SEMITIC' actually mean - hostility to or prejudice against Jews - I don't know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I can't think of a race of people who aren't hated by another and at the same time I don't see anyone getting 'labeled' or 'reprimanded' for speaking out against these other races. What is actually going on here?

What is the ADL and who runs it and where do they get their power and are they even jewish?

I want to go on the record and say that I have no hate in my heart for anyone or any race. I just need to understand this whole anti-semitic thing because honestly it sounds like real bullshit to me and it implicates that something much deeper is actually being hidden.

Anyways....any thoughts, comments or facts??

In the beginning, the Roman Catholic Church blamed the Jews for killing Christ even though he was a Jew. So anti-semitism has become institutionalised in the Church and wherever the Catholic Church is.

It's an inter-religious thing.

Back when Christianity first started, they were trying to convert Jews and those of other denomnations to Christianity. On top of that, you've got a people with no homeland. So they - the Jewish people - faught the Romans, the muslims, and anybody else until Israel became a country. Jews didn't want to pay taxes to the Romans. Big political crisis. The traitor Josephus (the "historian") warped that scenario in his own favour big time.

The Kurds, the Armenians, same thing. No country of their own.

It seems it is still politically correct to "hate jews" in this day and age.

Personally, I thank God S/He made me an atheist.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=seanx;88074]Eternal spirit wrote:



Can only speak for myself personally - but what I 'attack' is the
idealogy of the christian fundamentalists coming on here
trying to 'save' us and 'convert' us to their fundamentalist beliefs,
by embedding all their posts with the usual: That 'Jesus will save
us. Repent..and all that.

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Yes we do get alot of preachers it's true, but they won't find many if any new recruits here.
It's best to deal with facts
when possible, which is what we try and do to get a point across, the fundamentiist mentality is faith based not fact. It's clear for most to see this. Hopefully they'll realise they're not gaining any ground here and soon we'll see less of of them.

[lifeofbrian]

At the end of the day, the irony is:

Jews, Christians, Muslims, all believe in One God.

Funny, innit.

New Agers too; The One.

Well, count me out. I don't follow any war lord.

Especially not one with the motto: Divide and rule.

Wake up.

[seanx]

It's like the story of a two guys in two boats in terrible
misty weather.

This one guy is trying to steer his boat to safety ..but
everytime he does,the other boat keeps banging into his
stopping him.

This happens the whole night ..and this guy is hopping MAD.

Really angry.

Then suddenly, the mists raises and he sees the other boat
is empty. There NEVER was a man on it.

Suddenly, his anger vanishes instantly. There was only a boat,
being pushed against his by the wind. Nothing personal.

Likewise, our anger vanishes when we realize we're not fighting
or hating a person but only an impersonal form of mind-control
programming that this poor bloke has probably been subjected
to since birth.

As the Catholic Jesuits boast: 'Give me a child until he is
seven - and I will control for life'.

[lifeofbrian]

It's like the story of a two guys in two boats in terrible
misty weather.

This one guy is trying to steer his boat to safety ..but
everytime he does,the other boat keeps banging into his
stopping him.

This happens the whole night ..and this guy is hopping MAD.

Really angry.

Then suddenly, the mists raises and he sees the other boat
is empty. There NEVER was a man on it.

Suddenly, his anger vanishes instantly. There was only a boat,
being pushed against his by the wind. Nothing personal.

Likewise, our anger vanishes when we realize we're not fighting
or hating a person but only an impersonal form of mind-control
programming that this poor bloke has probably been subjected
to since birth.

As the Catholic Jesuits boast: 'Give me a child until he is
seven - and I will control for life'.

Brilliant.

[roxanna222]

Its not "wrong" to hate. Its how you see wrong or bad whatever. Hate whom you will for whatever reason and do so with gusto! Doesnt really matter in the end to the person you hate just reflects on yourself.

[tinmenace]

Doesnt really matter in the end to the person you hate just reflects on yourself.

Well said!

[roxanna222]

LOL end of discussion?
I know what the point of all of it was but in the end, does it really matter? Its a distraction or another facet to discuss yes but after discussing it there is only so far it will go i think. Anyways cheers yes

[carlg1212]

Semitic- relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.


"Semitic" is a label for a tribe of descendants of Shem, the son of Noah.

There's no way anyone alive today is purely "Semitic".

[ashyr]

ts not "wrong" to hate. Its how you see wrong or bad whatever. Hate whom you will for whatever reason and do so with gusto! Doesnt really matter in the end to the person you hate just reflects on yourself.

AGREED

look theres some replys earlier that wont go into detail,

responses to my post. look why are you bent on reaching me or even controlling me. its great to have your energy and contact. we are after all born into bondage. ever heard of the saying "BUTCHERED AT BIRTH"

what a sinister act. its the final most openly preformed ritual abuse on children remaining, yet theyre the ones casting the finger. its classic. remember back in the days. witches who were actually witches were smarter and new to just make the accusations. and you were sweet. all the ppl were protected by the voice of manipulation into the "we need something to change, here take my hand and lead me to greener pastures. FUCK GET OFF YOUR LAZY ARSE MOTHER FUCKER AND MAKE YOUR OWN JOURNEY TO THE PASTURE. what you wanna TXT MSG god now because its more convenient,

[king]

I would like to start this thread off with a dis-claimer: I do not hate Jews and I am not 'anti-semitic'. I am only expressing my views and opinions on the matter.

You know, it bemuses me that it's such a 'crime' to hate jews or speak out against them. If you question 'jewish' history or question 'jewish' culture you get this great label called 'anti-semitic'. Hmmmmm, why? I just really don't get it. First, let's disect the meaning;

Anti- opposed to; against

Semitic- relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

OK, now, as far as I know this definition of 'Semitic' relates to A LOT more than just jews, so how does 'ANTI-SEMITIC' actually mean - hostility to or prejudice against Jews - I don't know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I can't think of a race of people who aren't hated by another and at the same time I don't see anyone getting 'labeled' or 'reprimanded' for speaking out against these other races. What is actually going on here?

What is the ADL and who runs it and where do they get their power and are they even jewish?

I want to go on the record and say that I have no hate in my heart for anyone or any race. I just need to understand this whole anti-semitic thing because honestly it sounds like real bullshit to me and it implicates that something much deeper is actually being hidden.

Anyways....any thoughts, comments or facts??


it is wrong to hate...anyone.

hate cannot be good for your soul.

once you understand that those whom you hate are not as spiritualy aware as you are, and that their own ignorance and their own brainwashing is what makes them do stupid or evil things -- your hate disappears

[roxanna222]

AGREED


[QUOTE] responses to my post. look why are you bent on reaching me or even controlling me. its great to have your energy and contact. we are after all born into bondage. ever heard of the saying "BUTCHERED AT BIRTH"

is this at me? or just in general?

[ashyr]

sorry no. not @ you =D

in general in response to people telling me how i should act. morally or convincing duality bullshit

[positive terror]

"Semitic" is a label for a tribe of descendants of Shem, the son of Noah.
There's no way anyone alive today is purely "Semitic".

Correct, we are all children of Noa, the hate toward the Jews should not be racial but ideological. To hate their feeble beliefs, to hate the talmud, to hate the way of the Jews to be related with people. Not it is necessary to hate the Jews to be Hebrew, it is not necessary to hate them for their race. It is necessary to hate them to kill the prophets, to create the chaos in the world, to be the antichrist's main allies, to be those that light the fire of the war in the earth.

I should add (so that you don't believe that I am crazy, or you put me in the jail :p ) that not all the Jews enter in this profile, there are Jews that are some worthy people of respecting, like in all the towns there are good and bad people. In fact I refer to the Zionist ones and all the Jews that support israel.
Peace

[Anders Lindman]

It's important to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Islam for example, has a what I think interesting law about not charging interest on money-creation (usury). At the same time they have laws, if what I have heard is true, that allow some sick perverted law-mongers to cut the hands off of shoplifters. That's evil beyond recognition. Does anyone know if Islamic societies still cut the hands off of thieves?

Islamic priest: "You have downloaded a copyrighted BitTorrent file. That's theft. Put your arm on the bench so we can cut off your hand!" :(

Maybe I'm just a victim of western propaganda?

[positive terror]

In Islam all the people are human. The Jews treat the rest of the humanity like beasts, gentile, goyim....and they are permited to steal them, to lie them, to kill them and to enslave them. Your you speak to me of the Islamic laws, maybe in the usa the death penalty it doesn't exist? maybe in america they dont give you life imprisonment to have stolen but once and for all? Maybe I'm just a victim of jewish propaganda?

You give me an example of an Islamic priest, I can bring you thousands of crazy rabbis' examples, but we should return to the origin, and the writings of the talmud are those but racists and wicked of the history. For your information you should know that alone they intersected four hands in six hundred years of Islamic trial, people slept with the open doors and they didn't close her trades to go to make other things.
Another thing that you should know it is that the Jews didn't have any sure place in this world but the Islamic lands since in the islam a Jew is entitled to live among the Muslims and being protected as a citizen , all the towns rejected and they expelled the Jews except the Muslims.
And now look like they thank in Palestine, it is as taming a snake, you give her of eating and then it gobbles you.

[synergy777]

es, palestinian are asians, from india to israel, our peopel in ancient times lived as one. look at india/pakistan, are we different? when was pakistan created, 1947. imperial borders imperial doctrines, imperial creations eg balfour declaration/rothschild. i don't pay much attention to, they are for those who see imperial law as truth, ignorant of the facts, imperial law is a farce, its like kids who believe in santa claus, lol

look at the totalitarian states we live in, we are expected to follow the laws, whilst the elite get immunity, only sheep follow the laws of their masters, went a bit v?vendetta like, then,lol

anon the hindu link scroll down, it shows iran/india in ancient times.

[Anders Lindman]

In Islam all the people are human. The Jews treat the rest of the humanity like beasts, gentile, goyim....and they are permited to steal them, to lie them, to kill them and to enslave them. Your you speak to me of the Islamic laws, maybe in the usa the death penalty it doesn't exist? maybe in america they dont give you life imprisonment to have stolen but once and for all? Maybe I'm just a victim of jewish propaganda?


I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking about laws and the government. Death penalty is just legalized murder. Why should the government sink to the same level as a murderer?

Laws against killing and mutilations are needed because there are still nasty people out there, but those laws also apply to the elite and the government. The elite say: "It says in the Text: Thou shalt not kill", and at the same time it is considered ok if the government is doing the killing, e.g. death penalty. That's hypocrisy.

[bigus_dickus]

my boss is a joo (eric cartman style ;)). he is a good man, not different from anyone else who is non joo and i love him.

[anoninnyc]

In Islam all the people are human. The Jews treat the rest of the humanity like beasts, gentile, goyim....and they are permited to steal them, to lie them, to kill them and to enslave them. Your you speak to me of the Islamic laws, maybe in the usa the death penalty it doesn't exist? maybe in america they dont give you life imprisonment to have stolen but once and for all? Maybe I'm just a victim of jewish propaganda?

You give me an example of an Islamic priest, I can bring you thousands of crazy rabbis' examples, but we should return to the origin, and the writings of the talmud are those but racists and wicked of the history. For your information you should know that alone they intersected four hands in six hundred years of Islamic trial, people slept with the open doors and they didn't close her trades to go to make other things.
Another thing that you should know it is that the Jews didn't have any sure place in this world but the Islamic lands since in the islam a Jew is entitled to live among the Muslims and being protected as a citizen , all the towns rejected and they expelled the Jews except the Muslims.
And now look like they thank in Palestine, it is as taming a snake, you give her of eating and then it gobbles you.

yes zionism is evil and yes the israelis have done to the palestinians much of what had been done to them in germany. but don't have rose colored glasses when speaking of islam either.......... the neighboring arab states have not treated palestinians well and the governments just use them as an excuse to have an external enemy- israel. and what better enemy than one who is truly evil? but should a better reaction not be to treat the palestinians well themselves?

and as for islam...... if you are not "of the book" you are fair game. especially if you are a religion newer than islam, because mohammad was the final prophet. look into the slaughter of the baha'is in iran. islam was spread by the sword. don't forget the prophet mohammad married a nine year old girl. And don't forget the islamic slave trade of the east coast of africa.

then take a look at the catholic church, all the evil it has done, pedophilia, etc. and get back to me on how judaism is so bad. (which it is but it is not alone)

[synergy777]

i am sikh we came from mughal/islamic empire trying to kill us indians, we won naturally, we being sikhs. the sufi muslims helped us, even wrote hymns for us.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page

[anoninnyc]

i am sikh we came from mughal/islamic empire trying to kill us indians, we won naturally, we being sikhs. the sufi muslims helped us, even wrote hymns for us.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page

well sufis are mystics and poets.... not your orthodox muslims. many muslims even consider sufis as heretics. if you read hafez, sa'adi, rumi etc. you will clearly see why.......

i would consider myself a sufi but a muslim, no..........

[synergy777]

cool, in most religions the spiritual sides get oppressed by the organised/dogma adherents/clergy.

any cool sufi links?

[anoninnyc]

cool, in most religions the spiritual sides get oppressed by the organised/dogma adherents/clergy.

any cool sufi links?

http://www.ias.org/

http://www.zensufi.com/

http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/albanian4.htm#heresies

http://www.sufismjournal.org/art/gulestan.html

http://www.sufiorder.org/

http://oldpoetry.com/opoem/24929-Farid-al-Din-Attar-Conference-Of-The-Birds

[synergy777]

cheers will have look. will let u know how i get on, thanks.

what do you think of khalil gibran

khalil gibran - Google Search

http://leb.net/gibran/

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/k/kahlil_gibran.html

A poet is a bird of unearthly excellence, who escapes from his celestial realm arrives in this world warbling. If we do not cherish him, he spreads his wings and flies back into his homeland.
Kahlil Gibran

Coming generations will learn equality from poverty, and love from woes.
Kahlil Gibran

I have learnt silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers.
Kahlil Gibran

I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.
Kahlil Gibran

[anoninnyc]

i read the prophet many years ago and found it incredibly beautiful.

[phoenixchilde]

Jewish people are as diverse as anyone else in this world. Just look at Jon Stewart and Jerry Seinfeld. Jon Stewart is funny, Jerry Seinfeld ain't.

[eternal_spirit]

Why are there no Jews on the Forum?

[eternal_spirit]

Could it be that ADL did a good job in the Jewish peoples eyes as labelling him anti semitic when he speaks out againt the Zionist agenda?

[anoninnyc]

Could it be that ADL did a good job in the Jewish peoples eyes as labelling him anti semitic when he speaks out againt the Zionist agenda?

yes and it could also be that some of the anti-jewish posters on this site have scared them off.

[anoninnyc]

............
Who's the accusation aimed at?
Well if you think that's the case they need to grow a backbone, I've been waiting for a reply to this question.

Why do the Jewish people still circumcise a week old baby boy? Are they so brainwashed into this? Are they afraid of the Priesthood? ?????????????????? Prerably a Jew can answer this question.

accusation? not accusing anyone in particular. can't keep track of who posts what and i don't like naming names, but it was not in response to you so chill.

i am not jewish but muslims circumsize as well and i find it barbaric. but islam is kind of a rip off of judaism in many ways.

[eternal_spirit]

i am not jewish but muslims circumsize as well and i find it barbaric. but islam is kind of a rip off of judaism in many ways.
...........
Same goes for Christianity, same source some say.
The Jews wouldn't have such a bad image if they could refuse to be ruled by their religion. that's the point I've been trying to make on this thread.

[i_am]

............
Who's the accusation aimed at?
Well if you think that's the case they need to grow a backbone, I've been waiting for a reply to this question.

Why do the Jewish people still circumcise a week old baby boy? Are they so brainwashed into this? Are they afraid of the Priesthood? ?????????????????? Preferably a Jew can answer this question.

Why does anyone do it? It is, as far as I can see, across all religions and done also by agnostics and atheists.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

2 e-spirit: Perhaps I may be able to shed some Light(ILLUMINATE). A reason for circumcision is Safety & Health: It is considered in Medical & Health disciplines, that the extra flesh,(Hoodie) may become an incubator for cooties and other deleterious Bacteria (Fromunda Cheese,for one).

As to your query why "Jews" are not prevelant on this forum, I will hazard a 'Guess', from my Investigation of this Site, there is a profound lack of knowledge or understanding of their 'Spiritual Discipline'.

Examples: Their book(Bible) is Titled: The Book of Yahweh

Yahweh is the creator Being, He is not a god. His 'Title of Office' is Father

The followers of Yahweh are the Yahdaim(people of Yahweh)

The way many of the posters have carried on(in error) on this most important subject, have probably repulsed the "Jews", Yahdaim.

Jew>Judah.corruption of Yahdah(I will praise Yahweh)

Go easy and remember: Everything is everything!

Perhaps this has helped, that has been my intent

[carlg1212]

Correct, we are all children of Noa, the hate toward the Jews should not be racial but ideological. To hate their feeble beliefs, to hate the talmud, to hate the way of the Jews to be related with people. Not it is necessary to hate the Jews to be Hebrew, it is not necessary to hate them for their race. It is necessary to hate them to kill the prophets, to create the chaos in the world, to be the antichrist's main allies, to be those that light the fire of the war in the earth.

I should add (so that you don't believe that I am crazy, or you put me in the jail :p ) that not all the Jews enter in this profile, there are Jews that are some worthy people of respecting, like in all the towns there are good and bad people. In fact I refer to the Zionist ones and all the Jews that support israel.
Peace

The term "Jew" was developed to create opposing sides; hence, the "Jews" (inhabitors of Israel) will defend their "homeland" against the "Arab invaders".

The "Arabs", another created term, will try to inhabit their "rightful homeland".

Problem, reaction, solution.

Both sides are manipulated equally just as the warmongering reptilians planned. As it has always been, so it will always be.

Both sides are heavily mind controlled. The solution is careful dialogue.

[anoninnyc]

thanks carlg1212. well said. as an iranian-american i see this all too well....... axis of evil, american devil, blah blah blah..... all illuminati tools.......

jews v. arabs catholics v. protestants old story

[james777]

I don't know how this has become about circumcision, but I'm considered christian and I'm circumcised.

Is this why people hate them, because of circumcision??

I think it's deeper than that. I think that people have been jealous of the jews because before Jesus Christ they were God's people! They still haven't let go of the baggage from over 2 centuries ago and accept the fact that God looks at all men the same because of Jesus Christ's blood sacrifice.

The Jews did have Jesus killed, but so what? The fact that he died in order to bridge the gap between us and God is the only importance.

[megafish33]

Why are there no Jews on the Forum?

I'm "a Jew." lol I don't know why there aren't any here...

I think it's wrong to hate Jews, just like it's wrong to hate anyone else, especially if that hatred comes from hating the orthodox religion (mind control memes) of their forefathers. Divide and conquer, opposames, prob-react-solution people.

I do not think "the Jews" control as much as people here say they do, that's pretty obvious to the rational person. As a people, we certainly haven't been blessed by the all seeing eye in the sky, although of course, you'll find the select few that own banks/media. These kinds of people stepped on others, including Jewish brothers and sisters, to get in their positions, along with hard work(yes! It still counts!!). Just because you're born Jewish doesn't mean you can't be evil, but in the same respect it doesn't mean you get a pamphlet full of money, stock certificates, special esoteric knowledge, and tips on mind control, shape shifting, and ruling nations. If there is I never got mine damn it!

Look at what's happening in Israel. Now, I know this forum is pretty much anti-Israel, but by your threads you seem to be getting only half of the story (although even the other half of the story is bullshit). If any there nation would be attacked, as Israel is, they would unleash fury. For the most part Israel does not, because Rice goes there from DC and slaps them on their wrists. If rockets would be fired at civilian Americans or English neighborhoods everyday, the USA or UK would bitch slap the opposition. Very easy to jump on the blame the Jews bandwagon, especially being so critical of Israel (which is obviously an NWO state, what do you expect of them?) when you living in the UK and USA or places like that. That guy who swears up and down about how great mother Russia is... does he live in Russia? Maybe he does, but he probably doesn't. If you guys hate Jews so much, don't put your paychecks in the bank, Jews control them right? Also, if you work in a corporate office, quit, the owner and ceo are probably Jews right? Stop watching tv, listening to music, and browsing the web, evil Jews control the media. lol

Oh, and yes, I have Palestinian and Arab friends. :p

[i_am]

Look at what's happening in Israel. Now, I know this forum is pretty much anti-Israel,. :p

Actually the majority of people here are not anti jew or any other race, creed, colour or religion. It is only the few.

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif

[megafish33]

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif

That's refreshing to read. May you have peace :)

[eternal_spirit]

That's refreshing to read. May you have peace :)
..................
Thanks for the reply up the page. I'm not anti Jewish. It's all religion I have problems with. People are born into this world into a religion which was already in place in the country they live in. I could of been unlucky to been born into a strict version of what ever religion.

I don't believe the Holy Books are God's work, but written by men, then as we all know rearranged, bits added and taken away from the scriptures maybe with the purpose of divide and rule.
It's time the people refused to be dictated to by the priesthood. The people of the UK are rejecting religion mostly.... I hope the rest of the World follows our example. Shalom :)

[eternal_spirit]

I can't speak for the whole of the UK. But all the people I know none of them follow any religion.

[kblood]

I don't know how this has become about circumcision, but I'm considered christian and I'm circumcised.

Is this why people hate them, because of circumcision??

I think it's deeper than that. I think that people have been jealous of the jews because before Jesus Christ they were God's people! They still haven't let go of the baggage from over 2 centuries ago and accept the fact that God looks at all men the same because of Jesus Christ's blood sacrifice.

The Jews did have Jesus killed, but so what? The fact that he died in order to bridge the gap between us and God is the only importance.

Very good point!!!, we ALL know that israel is the mother of ALL wars iat this moment on planet earth, and we ALL know that the zionist of israel are at the moment more dangerous than the masons and illuminati.
And we ALL know that the zionist infiltrated the masons and illuminati to have more power and dominate the world, we can see that in te usa.
Dont forget the great danger of the talmud and the protocols of elders of zion(ok, if someone tell me that the protocols are fake, what he gonna say about the talmus, to me the talmud is more dangerous than the protocols)...:( its really not so nice that Mr. Icke and Mr. Jones stay MUTE about that, but Iam happy that at least people like Texe Marrs told very good information in his video MASONIC LODGE OVER JERUSALEM..and a a bit in ILLUMINATI MISTERY BABYLON.

This Site is owned by a group of freedom fighters from different countries in support of Ahmed Rami 's struggle (http://www.radioislam.org/resistance/index.htm)

I think it becomming about circumsition was my fault. I simply lack insight in what it is all about, and tried to learn more about it, and I did :) I just hope you arent a female btw. Sounds like its something most guys might do voulentarely. Heck, some people do something called a "bananasplit" :eek: Quite unrelated though to circumsition, but about the same part of the body.


The rest of this post is copy paste from another post of mine that I thought would be best to move here:
"
I dont know how well you know the jews or their intentions, but I myself would have to visit Israel before I would be sure that they are causing so much war. So far I have heard about them defending themself very well against 4 surrounding countries (with the help of USA ofc). Story was told to me by someone in the military though, and he had probably learned some of the history of it from working with Americans in war zones....
But to sum it up: Jews gets their own country (for a really absurd reason). They move in and shortly after the surrounding countries prepare to attack. With the help of US intel about their enemies, they manage to intercept some of the attacking armies and destroy Egypts most important airfields, since US tactic is to win the control of air to win a war. After that is done they have an easier time bombing their enemies to the stoneage I guess.

After winning these 4 wars in 1 though, they did stop that war. The history about it obviously will be different when told by someone from Egypt or one of the other surrounding countries. Most the wars they have been done later, can be explained as the jews defending themselves against terrorist attacks. That reason in my point of view is alot better than George W. Bush's reason for going to war with Iraq.

I guess I should post about this in the jew hating thread as well. Havent seen any jews trying to defend themselves there though :P I guess they arent Icke believers or maybe just shy... or Illuminati. But not all of them, that is something I am sure of.
"

[kblood]

I do not think "the Jews" control as much as people here say they do, that's pretty obvious to the rational person. As a people, we certainly haven't been blessed by the all seeing eye in the sky, although of course, you'll find the select few that own banks/media. These kinds of people stepped on others, including Jewish brothers and sisters, to get in their positions, along with hard work(yes! It still counts!!). Just because you're born Jewish doesn't mean you can't be evil, but in the same respect it doesn't mean you get a pamphlet full of money, stock certificates, special esoteric knowledge, and tips on mind control, shape shifting, and ruling nations. If there is I never got mine damn it!


Lol :D Maybe you should try visiting the Israel leaders and tell them you heard from the David Icke forum that you were supposed to get that, but somehow was left out, and that it was probably their error. Then demand that you get your jewish dominate the world kit ;)

So you are like a real Jew then? Could you post some up to date stuff about jewish belief? Maybe you did, but I missed it :(

As I might have written earlier. Maybe some Jews are into all that "we ought to own the world" kind of belief that started out with, but I seriously doubt that it hasnt gotten less extreme over the years. Also take into consideration that the jewish beliefs are older than the Moslim, so there have probably been even more changes to the jewish belief system over the years. To the generel jewish belief system, that is used by what I guess is the vast majority. Probably alot of jews following jewish belief because most people they know do so as well just like it is with christianity today. Probably the same with Islamic followers. But then Islamic followers living in Islamic countries doesnt seem to have much choice in the matter.

Still I live in a country full of western propaganda, so please excuse me for my ignorance, and if anything I wrote insulted anyone then please say so.

[bananaman]

Year and region where Jews
have been expelled since 250 A.D.

YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLACE

250 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Clement (France)
561 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Uzzes (France)
612 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alcace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lubeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Area in the U.S. under Grant's Jurisdiction
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

source:http://aztlan.net/jewexpulsions.htm

The reason is quite simple. They are insular and have historically been been greedy, i.e. Shylock's pound of flesh.

And if you ever go to Israel you'll find their general manner is overbearing and impolite to sensitive northern European ideas of behaviour.

Other than that I've no idea why they are historically a pain in the arse, and hated and resented wherever they go. The only bigger pain in the bum are Muslims. It's the arrogance, you see.

Yes, I think that's it: arrogance and greed and insularity.

Bananaman

[times7]

...........
Same goes for Christianity, same source some say.
The Jews wouldn't have such a bad image if they could refuse to be ruled by their religion. that's the point I've been trying to make on this thread.


Well infact you are totaly wrong there , you are a bigot atheist with your head stuck up your rear end eternal

The fact of the matter is its the religious Jews who are against the state of Israel(the Torah Jews)

Were as the atheist Jews are the selfish savages that rule Israel,the Israeli goverment is DOMINATED by atheist Jews this is a FACT not a view point.

Not only that but atheist Jews are behind communism,they played a major part in the Russian revolution,how many were murdered oh yeah 60 MILLION,lets not forget the slaughter of communism in other countrys over 150 MILLION MURDERED by communist atheist BIGOTS banning religion in communist countrys and ramming atheism down peoples throats,what the hell makes you think atheism is so peaceful,the FACTS say other wise.

Mind you atheists are NOT bothered with FACTS are they ?,only slagging of religion and ignoring the FACT atheists are the biggest MURDERES in history,Stalin ,Moa top the MURDER CHARTS over 100 million innocents murdered by these atheist PARASITES.

Marilyn Manson is an athiest isnt he ?,just like you he hates religion and ignores the fact atheists are the most blood thirsty ignorant people in the history books.

Name one great country in history that was majority atheist ? go on you atheist BIGOT
(there isnt one is there,so your point has no logic)

btw

The reason the Jews have such a bad name is because they played a major role in the birth of satanic communism,the Bolshevick 1917 Russian goverment was Majority atheist just like modern day Israel and they are MURDERES and theives.

Mind you the religious Jews have spoken out and are nothing to do with this,so they have to carry the burden of these atheist LIARS who steal land because they claim to be Gods chosen and they dont even believe in God,i think the word is hypocrites when you think of these atheist Jews who have made a rats nest for them selves in Palestine


Also, these atheist Jews have hyjacked the US goverment and are behind the Iraq war,want the USA to attack Iran and bombed the living hell out of Lebbonx last year as well as caused war after war in the mid east for the last 50 years THATS why people are getting sick of these atheist parasite Jews,there not even Jews anyway there Satans children because they reject God,just like all atheists are Satans children with hate for Faith in God,truth and justice.



Torah Jews are not to blame FACT

Atheist Jews are hypocrites FACT
(how can atheist Jews claim to be Gods chosen ?,it stinks)


Atheist Jews are behind Zionism and are causing problems the world over,thats why people are getting sick of them,for very good reason


btw


They have banned religion in North Korea,why dont you say a prayer for the children starving to death in that atheist hell hole,you Ignorant moron Eternal

NWO = One world religion = atheist satanist humanism (google it)


All these bigot atheists will wish for Moses in court rooms when the NWO grabs them round the throat and they are living in a POLICE STATE,you can bet your life on that,stupid,stupid fools

[times7]

check out this link,its shows the religious Jews speaking out against the crimes of Israel

The foul mouth savage in the clip is an atheist Jew Parasite,see the FACTS




http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY


btw

atheist Jews are satans children and are not Gods Chosen whats so ever


case proven

[bananaman]

One little point Times7. Atheists don't kill for the cause of atheism. Religious people do, however, kill in the name of religion. A small distinction but an important one.

Bananaman

[synergy777]

India's God Krishna Was the King of Jerusalem!

he will kick arse this time, no more mister nice guy, the destroyer this time. destroy falsehood, arrogance, imperial power, corrupt hierachy, like slash and burn, before you plant new crops, the harvest is coming.

http://viewzone.com/davidkoresh.html


India's God Krishna Was the King of Jerusalem!By Gene D. Matlock


What a strange world in which we live! The Catholic Church has always known that Christianity did not begin with Jesus Christ, but yet it tries to make us think it did.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) wrote: "This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name."

Eusebius of Caesarea (circa 283-371 AD) said: "The religion of Jesus Christ is neither new nor strange."

In Anacalypsis, The 17th century British orientalist and iconoclast, Godfrey Higgins, insisted that Christianity was already firmly in place in both the West and the East, many centuries before Jesus Christ was born. He said, The Crestians or Christians of the West probably descended directly from the Buddhists, rather than from the Brahmins. (Vol. 2, pp 438, 439.)

The existence of the Christians both in Europe and India, (existed) long anterior to the Christian era... (Vol 2, p. 202.) I think the most blind and credulous of devotees must allow that we have the existence of the Cristna of the Brahmins in Thrace, many hundred years before the Christian era-the birth of Jesus Christ. (Book X, p. 593.)

"Melito (a Christian bishop of Sardis) in the year 170, claims the patronage of the emperor, for the now so-called Christian religion, which he calls "our philosophy," on account of its high antiquity, has having been imported from countries lying beyond the limits of the Roman empire, in the region of his ancestor Augustus, who found the importation ominous of good fortune to his government." This is an absolute demonstration that Christianity did not originate in Judea, which was a Roman province, but really was an exotic oriental fable, imported from India, and that Paul was doing as he claimed, viz: preaching a God manifest in the flesh who had been "believed in the world" centuries before his time, and a doctrine which had already been preached "unto every creature under heaven." (Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions; T. W. Doane, p. 409.)

Religious historians have for hundreds of years struggled to find out how and why the stories about Jesus and Krishna, who were born 2,000 years apart, are so nearly identical.


Both Christ and Krishna descended from Noah.
The future births of both messiahs were predicted ahead of time.
Christ was descended from Abraham
Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).
Christ was at once a Koresh, a Hebrew, and a Yehudi.
Krishna was at once a Kurus, an Abhira, and a Yadava.
Christ was an incarnation of Yah-Veh.
Krishna was at once an incarnation of Vishnu and Shiva.
Christ's first name, Jesus, was Yeshua.
A title of Krishna, meaning "love; devotion," was Yesu. Even today, many Hindu parents name their sons, Yesu Krishna.
Both men were born of virgins and in a stable.
Krishna's mother was named Devaki.
Jesus mother was called Mary.
Krishna did not have an earthly father as such, but a protector, named Vasudeva.
Jesus did not have an earthly father as such, but a mortal protector named Joseph.
An evil king tried to kill Christ and Krishna when they were both infants.
To protect the infant Jesus, Joseph and Mary took him to Maturai, Egypt.
To protect the infant Krishna, his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, took him to Mathura, India.
It was predicted that both men would die to atone for the sins of their people.
As you have probably noticed, they took refuge in places having almost identical names.
Both men preached to their people.
Christ was crucified and then resurrected. Krishna was killed by a hunter's arrow and impaled on a tree. Later, he returned to life.
Christ was crucified in Jerusalem.
Some Hindu scholars think that Krishna died in Jerusalem, having gone there when his coastal city of Dwarka sank under the sea. Others say he went to Iraq.
Christ appeared after his "death." Krishna appeared after his "death."
Both of them have a major holiday dedicated to them on December 25th.
Christ had a female admirer named Mary Magdalene. Krishna had a female admirer named Marya Maghadalena.
Fanatically sectarian Christians and Hindus alike militantly reject the idea that the stories of these two deities are related. The Christians accuse the Hindus of blurring their identities on purpose. Some even claim that the Devil himself is the culprit.The Hindus reciprocate accordingly. Unfortunately, neither side can prove or disprove anything. In this article, I will attempt to clear up this mystery once and for all.

The Hindu Equivalent of our Old Testament Story of Abraham.

The story begins with our Abraham or Brahma as the Hindus called him. His father was Lord Krishna; his brother was Mahesh a.k.a Maheshvara who would be our Moses (Heb: Moshe).

The Hindu triad consists of the Gods Brahma, the equivalent of our God, and Gods Shiva and Vishnu. Actually Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same deities. Together, they are Brahma (God). Today, in India, there are only two temples dedicated to God Brahma because the Hindus say mankind is not yet ready to worship such a lofty concept.

Hindu Proof That Jesus Is the Son of God!

The Bible tells us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, for Jesus' biblical names are Isa/Isha (Shiva), Yeshua (Skt. Yishvara, pronounced in Sanskrit as Yeshwara), Kristos, and Yesu, another name of Krishna . Even in India, Lord Krishna was and still is called Yesu Krishna and Kristna. These names prove to us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, thus making Jesus the begotten son of the Unbegotten-Brahma.


The preceding information shows us that the Hindus are as Christian as the Christians are. Morever, the Hindus can prove that Jesus was the son of God, but we have to accept this as a matter of faith only. Even so, there is no lack of Christian sects wanting the Hindus to "convert" to their way of thinking although we must credit the Hindus with the honor of proving to us that Jesus is the son of God. But the Hindus don't need to convert to the spiritual knowledge they bequeathed to us. They were "converted" thousands of years before our Jesus was born. I say, leave them be.

Since Krishna was not born of man, he was not actually the earthly father of Brahma and Mahesh. Therefore, he himself was the protector (Tara) of Brahma. In Sanskrit, Tara means "savior; protector." It is a term generally used with the gods Rudra, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma. Even our Old Testament says that the father (protector) of Abraham was Terah (Genesis 11:26.) The Bible tells us that Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings. (Genesis 12:19-20.). The Hindu holy books also tell us that a blood relationship existed between them. The Puranas relate Sarasvati to Brahma and Vishnu. Most frequently, she is associated with Brahma. Her connection with him dates earlier than to any other God. She is portrayed mostly as his wife and occasionally as his daughter. When Vishnu's popularity in India increased, myths relating Saraswati to him appeared. (Ref: Sarasvati and the Gods; www.vishvarupa.com.) Therefore, Brahma or Vishnu would also have been the Tara (Terah) of Sarasvati because of her divine origins.


Abraham or Brahma's home was the land of Haran (Genesis 1:4.) Haran was the coastal principality governed by Krishna. It was even named after him because Hara (Sun God) is another name of Krishna. Brahma/Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran.

Just as Christ was crucified on a cross and then returned to life, Krishna, also known as Haran, was crucified on a tree and then returned to life. This fact appears to cause some confusion in The Bible. (Read Genesis 11:26-31).

There is also another "Haran" in India-today's state of Haryana. It is the region where Abraham decided to stop making idols and worship only one God. Brahmavarta, a region in Northeastern Haryana, is said to be the place where mankind was first created. (Varta=Dwelling.) Brahmavarta was the site of the Kuruksetra War between the Kurus and Pandavas, in which Lord Krishna distinguished himself. An ancient and holy river, now dried up, the Sarasvati, once flowed through Brahmavarta. The Hakra (the biblical Haggar) was a tributary of the Sarasvati. The relationships of these three geographical entities make sense. If Brahma provided the channel or bed for the Sarasvati river, Brahmavarta could easily have been the symbolical father or brother of Sarasvati. Hakra (Haggar), being a tributary of Sarasvati, depended on Sarasvati . So what were Abraham, Sarah, and Haggar? People, things, or places?


I have stated that the Bible mentions Haran and Haryana. The Hindu holy books also say that Brahma/Abrahan lived in Ur of the Chaldees. Ur was a Sumerian name for "town; city." Chaldee (pronounced Kaldee) derives from the Sanskrit Kaul, a Brahman caste, and Deva (demi-god). The North Indian Kauldevas worshiped idols representing their ancestors. According to the Hindus, Brahma married Sarasvati in Chaldea, the part that is now Afghanistan.

Northern Afghanistan was called Uttara Kuru and was a great center of learning. An Indian woman went there to study and received the title of Vak i.e. Saraisvati (Lady Sarah). It is believed that Brahm, her teacher, was so impressed by her beauty, education, and powerful intellect, that he married her. (The Hindu History, by Ashkoy Kumar Mazumdar; p. 48, in passim.) Lord Krishna, the divine father (Terah/T‚ra) of Brahma/Abraham, was the king of Haran, with the seaport of Dwarka as its capital.

In about 1900 BC, hundreds of thousands of native Indians emptied Northern and Central India and fled to the Middle East after Krishna's Dwarka sank under the water.



Krishna gathered his family together and fled either to the Middle East or to what is now Iraq. Only some gigantic natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods could have caused such an exodus. It was at this time that the Saraisvati and the Indus changed their proper beds. The Saraisvati dried up.


The drying up of the Saraisvati... led to a major relocation of the population centered around the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys... caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece. (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p. 14.)

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood."

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood." They think he was referring to the Noachide flood. He was referring to the time when God Krishna's Dwarka and Haran province, in today's Gujarat, sank under water in about 1900 BC. Abraham, Sarah, and their followers escaped southward, to the coastal ports of Kalyan and Sopara (Sophir or Sauvira), in Maharashthra. From there, they sailed northward to the Middle East. Sarah (Sarsvati) embarked from the port of Kalyan. At one time, Kalyan was located closer to the coast, but is now located more than 50 miles inland. Sarasvati is the patron saint of Kalyan. The patron saint of Sophir or Sauvira was Parasu Rama (possibly a name of our biblical Abraham/Brahma).

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Indian Author Paramesh Choudhury, author of The India We Have Lost, claims that Krishna and his family probably fled to Iraq. But I'm certain that they went to Jerusalem. The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning "The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe." Lord Krishna was a Yadu. The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.



Temple [top] Mount and Dome of the Rock. [bottom] Abraham's tomb.

Until now, I have been wondering why Krishna's name did not appear in Jerusalem after his arrival there. Yet, the name of the king of Jerusalem, Melchizedek, the mentor of Abraham, did. I once thought that Melchizedek was the name of a certain person. I made this mistake by thinking that a prince and a son of a Kassite king, Melik-Sadaksina, was a supernaturally endowed prince, magician and spiritual giant. I thought he had accompanied Krishna, Abraham, and Sarah to the Middle East. Later on, I came to realize that the Sanskrit word Sadhaka applies to anyone who is an adept, a magician, one possessed of supernatural powers gained by worshipping a deity or by uttering magical chants.

I have additionally shown in this article that the New Testament words for Jesus all refer to Lord Krishna and his holy names. The early Christians were convinced that Melchizedek was just a prior incarnation of Jesus Christ, The remains of the Nag Hammadi manuscript entitled Melchizedek seem to confirm this. Melchizedek, king of Jerusalem and mentor of his son Abraham, was none other than ancient India's God Krishna. The early Christians thought that Jesus was a reincarnation of Krishna, for who else had the name Yesu Kristna, Isa, Krishna, etc.?

St. Paul states in the New Testament book of Hebrews:

Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made a high priest forever after the order of Melchisedec. (6:20.) For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him...(7:1); For he was yet in the loins of his father when Melchisedec met him. (7:;10);...what further need was there that another priest should arise after the order of Melchisedec...(7:11); Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec (7:17);.


Melchisedek (Krishna)

In closing this article, I want to mention the dissatisfaction I have always had with fanatical religious sectarians who yell that only they are right and that everybody else is wrong. They often insult, deprecate, mock, and reject those with whom they disagree, hoping to shut the formers' mouths. In many cases, these religious squabbles over suspected "differences" cause widespread bloodshed and misery in the world. I am a Roman Catholic and proud of it. But it grieves me when I hear priests, nuns and laity preach that anyone who isn't a Catholic is hell-bound.

The word "Catholic" itself derives from the Sanskrit Ketu-Loka, meaning "Universal Leader." But how can a religion be "universal" if it is exclusive, locking out nations like India who not only gave Catholics their own bible, but even the Christ they worship? I have shown how nearly parallel our bible and the Hindu holy books concur in almost every way-linguistically, culturally, spiritually, etc. Even the incestuous relationship between Brahma and Sarasvati squares with that of Abraham and Sarah. India more than qualifies to be the real holy land of all mankind. The main differences between Christians and Hindus arise from the fact that the Hindu form of Christianity stayed behind in India, and that the western Christianity we know was exported abroad. Naturally, geographical separation has caused some variations in the two similar teachings, as well as culturally. Additionally, we have to keep in mind that for many hundreds of years, these stories were passed down orally, from father to son. Changes, embellishments, and varying opinions crept through the woodwork.

It is a strange anomaly that our Christian sects want to convert the Hindus to the same religious teachings the latter gave to the world and still practice!

I have amply demonstrated that all of us, no matter what our respective religions and nationalities, are grandchildren of India, Will this knowledge help keep us from tearing ourselves and the world apart?

Addendum:

If, until now, you are still unconvinced that Melchizedek was Lord Krishna, and that Jesus was an incarnation of Krishna (Melchizedek) as Paul himself explained, I have no other recourse but to give you solid proof directly from the mouths of the Hindus themselves! This should put an end to the question. It is a verifiable fact that one of the names of Krishna was Sadhaka. Being a king, Krishna would have been addressed as Malika (King) Sadhaka). If you are still doubtful, go to the web and type in Krishna Sadhaka. You'll instantly get all the proof you'll; ever need. Note: This article is a chapter from Gene's upcoming book, now in preparation: Searching for God -- Now a Valid Science! It will be released in autumn, 2007.

the denial of yashuah was the denial of all of the soul in all of us, only a few follow their soul, as it brings uncomfort, rage, strength, power which they cannot fathom, handle. it makes you speak plainly to the zombies that surround us, it makes you call evil, evil to its face, to its followers, you have no fear of man, his false power and slavish devotees. thats why he denies it, he denies out of not wanting to be arrogant, deluded, narcisstic, he denies it because he wanted to go straight up to the elite and destroy them. he denied because like now, its was then. people are mostly gutless, arrogant, pompous and wicked. human nature hasn't changed just the clothes, products, people are still on the same level, still reptile. look at them, look their eyes, they are vacant, dead souls, residual energy.

ask yourself, why the people lie to themself, because back then/like today the people were snakes, no one stood with him, they souled him out, like people are sell outs today. the people killed yashuah just as much as the elite did. the rest are scared to die. they don't love god, they want god to give them everything like santa, but they don't love him, won't love people for him/compassion, won't die for him. god just another source of wealth, power, wishgiver. even when people find god/soul, they do it to for themselves, to make their wishes come true, do they really think they can con the creator?

[i_am]

:rolleyes: As this thread has become a debate on the whys and wherfores of different religious beliefs, I have moved it to the appropriate forum. At least it isn't the rant room, james

[times7]

One little point Times7. Atheists don't kill for the cause of atheism. Religious people do, however, kill in the name of religion. A small distinction but an important one.

Bananaman

Well you are wrong there ,in communist countrys they banned religion,theres only one way to ban religion and thats with violence and force,by terror thats why atheist communist countrys have caused the death of over 150 million people in the last 90 years alone.

Communists RAMMED atheism down peoples throats and i mean RAMMED by sheer force and mass TERROR,the only reason people do not understand this is because the media has not informed the public over this disgustiong satanic force of atheistic communism.

Ever read "the protocols of the leaerned elders of Zion" ?(dated 1905) its the plan for the Antichrist and explains that atheism is the illuminati control system,thats why schools universitys,science,mainstream media give a nice rosy tinted image of atheism when infact atheism is the origim of savagery,did you see that parasite atheist Jew mouthing of in that video i posted,he had murder in his eyes,see the FACTS

Ever read Albert Pikes letter dated 1870 ?,Pike was a satanist scum bag but he was right in one thing he said and thats atheism is the origin of SAVAGERY and utter BARBARITY.

You should read up on the jacobin atheists in the French revolution,they murdered for atheism just like the many,many atheist goverments carry on doing to this very day,just like atheistic controlled China and the Genocide in Tibet as they ram atheism down peoples throats in Tibet and destroy a culture and turn it in to atheistic godless like North Korea,atheists are the GREATEST MURDERS IN HISTORY and yes they have proven to be more than able to MURDER any one who disagrees with them.
(the media have brainwashed people to think atheists are peaceful they are NOT)





NWO = One World Religion

Watch the Nihilists ignore the genocides in Tibet,Sudan,Iraq they are to selfish to care, all they care about is me,me,me,they live for the day and for them selves, what fools they are as they urinate on their own soul


Atheism/humanism is satans religion and Darwin is Satans messenger
(darwin was a mason)


heres a list of the greatest mass murderers in history



Moa Darwinist 80 million MURDERED

Stalin Darwnist 30 to 60 million MURDERED

Lenin 10 Darwinist 10 million MURDERED

Hitler Darwinist 40 million MURDERED

Polpot Darwinist 1/3 of cambodia MURDERED

Kim Jong Darwinist MURDERER

I draw the conclusion that bigots like atheist darwkins are the greatest murderers in history,funny how atheists think Richard Darwins is so cool,oh well, i guess atheist bigots and nihilism go hand in hand.


The NWO religion is Humanism,there the ones that promote gay sex and give abortions/the pill to children behind their parents backs,humanists are sicko perverts,like Marilyn Manson and his band a load of humanist perverts whos named themselves after famous child rapists like Charles Manson


I wonder why Richard Darwkins doesnt move to North Korea ?,i have heard religion is banned and its a humanist country and the people live in hell and are starving to death thanks to darwinist kim Jong.
(Darwkins is a bigot hypocrite thats why)



NWO = One World Leader= Antichrist


over 150 million people MURDERED by darwinist goverments in the last 90 years and they are still being Murdered in a hell hole called North Korea,Richard darwkins is an evil NWO agent anyone who listens to his bile is sick in the mind and utterly brainwashed.

darwins theory is RACIST filth based on lower evolved human beings(root races) and monkey theory ,its DISGUSTING(the nazis loved darwin)

Atheism is the NWO control system,schools,universitys,science,mainstream media have been shoving darwinist lies down peoples throats since the day they were born its LIES LIES LIES to make people become biggoted to religious belief and follow the NWO plan which is to destroy christian culture and get people living in a POLICE STATE with no court system and a secret police.
(like all communist countrys that ban religion and ram atheism down peoples throats)



btw

NWO = One World Leader = Antichrist

[times7]

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Protocols-of-Zion.htm

above is a link to the protocols of the learned elders of Zion(dated 1905)


This is what atheistic Zionism is really about,its the plan of the Antichrist and explains that atheism is the control system of the NWO illuminati,thats why schools ,science,universitys all promote atheism.

So morons like eternal spirit will attack religion for them and take Moses from court rooms,sending us all in to a police state with Gulags ,a secret police and no court system

See the prophecy of the protocols of Zion


btw


Religious Jews are nothing to do with Zionism,infact Religious Jews are the good guys

The video i posted proves this

[james777]

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Protocols-of-Zion.htm

above is a link to the protocols of the learned elders of Zion(dated 1905)


This is what atheistic Zionism is really about,its the plan of the Antichrist and explains that atheism is the control system of the NWO illuminati,thats why schools ,science,universitys all promote atheism.

So morons like eternal spirit will attack religion for them and take Moses from court rooms,sending us all in to a police state with Gulags ,a secret police and no court system

See the prophecy of the protocols of Zion


btw


Religious Jews are nothing to do with Zionism,infact Religious Jews are the good guys

The video i posted proves this

Nice points here X7

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=times7;89067]Well infact you are totaly wrong there , you are a bigot atheist with your head stuck up your rear end eternal

The fact of the matter is its the religious Jews who are against the state of Israel(the Torah Jews)

Were as the atheist Jews are the selfish savages that rule Israel,the Israeli goverment is DOMINATED by atheist Jews this is a FACT not a view point.

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fact = jews circumcise 8 day old baby boys in the name of religion it's written in the holy books. That's reality okay. Who performs this sick act? the priesthood okay!

You are obviously blind to reality.

The muslim guy posted parts of these so called Holy scriptures it's plain for anyone to see how sick and racist this religion is.

What religon are you times seven ? Have I upset you because I and others here can see the truth.

Fact= All the religous books are not the word of God but the word of men.

Fact = Religion has been the cause of more death and war on this planet than anything else. You can quote all you like about aetheism, you know they where probably rebelling against the religous fundamentalists ie all the major religions who persecutued and killed the none believers Convert or die?

Of cours you can't see reality got you're head up you're ass Mr:rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

One more thing it's the religous types who sacrafice innocent animals as an offering to a none existent GOD, they don't even eat the animal. while those outside the Temples go hungry.

Admit it aethism or should i say refusing to follow sick so called Holy Books will make you a better human being for sure.

[anoninnyc]

you atheists and religious folk both think you know best........ you have much more in common than you would care to admit.

[eternal_spirit]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4223/nurpassheadpm6.gif

[megafish33]

was trying to post this last night but didn't have a chance...

eternal_spirit:

Shalom!

"I don't believe the Holy Books are God's work, but written by men, then as we all know rearranged, bits added and taken away from the scriptures maybe with the purpose of divide and rule."

Yeah, sadly people don't see this...

Kblood:

"Lol Maybe you should try visiting the Israel leaders and tell them you heard from the David Icke forum that you were supposed to get that, but somehow was left out, and that it was probably their error. Then demand that you get your jewish dominate the world kit

So you are like a real Jew then? Could you post some up to date stuff about jewish belief? Maybe you did, but I missed it"

I know right! lol Jeez, those politicians don't differ from the ones here (I'm in the USA), so bloody corrupt. I've been to Israel and can sympathize with them, and of course even more so with the Palestinian people, who are ruled by, believe it or not, an even more corrupt batch of morons.

Real Jew? Well, according my grandparents and the local Rabbis, yes, and nothing can change that. Culturally? Ya I suppose, although I would identify myself more strongly as an "American," although it really makes no difference to me. I can't be black, because I'm not dark enough, can't be white European because I'm not allowed, ie "no way man, you're a Jew, I can tell," can't be Arab obviously, etc. etc., what other identity do I have? Hard to fit in... too white (ok light tan...) for every other person (save expect for other Jews, black or white, religious or not) to be a minority, although that is indeed what I am, and too Jewish to be white enough for the "Caucasians." Though I quickly point out that some of my ancestors actually lived in that area, and were some of the few actual Semites there. Then they say they're "more" Caucasian because "we" were the minority there too. Whatever, can't win em all lol... Born a Jew, still a Jew... but my mother had good sense not to snip my solider (and I thank her for that even to this day), so according to some Rabbis, I won't receive much in the world to come because I have more duties as a Jew, one being circumcision. The other folk need only subscribe to the Noahide laws G-d gave to entire mankind. However, since my ancestors agreed on that contract w/ god/G-d, I must fulfill my obligations, all 613 of them. While not necessary for non-Jews, those laws are a binding contract on my Jewish soul.... Go figure... Those who want to follow Noahide laws are called B'nei Noah and can easily network in temples and synagogues without fear of discrimination for not being Jewish. Although a lot less is asked of them...

I hope as we all become more enlightened, as the centuries move forward, we'll all collectively be "humans" again, not Jewish, French, Arabian, etc. Of course these tribal titles serve their purpose, we can read about different groups in history... But I think the problem with this, and of course, religious identity, Judaism or not, is that our egos tend to gravitate toward one thing because of it's desperate need for identity (lol just re-read above comments) that we forget how unique as individuals we are, yet almost miraculously, how similar and human we all really are. And as Mr. Icke likes to say, how we're really everything that exists... we tend to forget that and it makes us easier to control, no matter who's doing the controlling, Zionists, the Pope, the Allah program or magical lizards.

Jewish belief? You can find tons about Judaism, Orthodoxy or Reform, etc. It's early morning so I won't get into too much detail or else work will be a bitch tomorrow. Quick Google got me this... http://www.jewfaq.org/movement.htm#US
This one is really good...
http://www.koshertorah.com/

Basically the story starts with Genesis, in which the universe goes from pristine love and goodness through the birth of creation, gets decorated a bit, then the reader is focused in on a garden of bliss. Disobedience (forbidden fruit) is followed by murder (Cain of Abel). Next we have promiscuity (sons of G-d or the gods smashing with daughters of men), incest (tale of Noah does not make what little sense it can if not for this), then a big mess. G-d says wtf hell no, washes it away with a flood. G-d is still active... behind the stars of the sky, he peeks from time to time to see if he can bless one with a seed to establish his authority on earth (anointed one, messiah/christ). During the final part of the Sumeric universal state, G-d speaks to Abraham, who is in Iraq or something, and tells him to go west and set up camp and make babies. He is not yet a Hebrew. Abraham then answers G-d's call, ceases to be anonymous, then finally, becomes the first Hebrew, the first of a "chosen people." A people not chosen of privileges mind you, but of work. After Abraham's trip on that shroom... lol... things went down hill from there.

synergy777:

Nice post dude! Interesting information. Although I can't say for sure if Jesus existed or not, the character seems to have been educated in eastern religions and philosophy. That's what I always liked about that Jesus fellow... He was a proud Jew, religious even, yet was so open minded, he probably studied with Buddhists and Hindus lol Kind of a revolutionary. My take on it though... still strongly lean toward the religion being started even more West than East, in Egypt namely. They could have been offshoots of a monotheist society there, and moved to east to Israel to start a colony of sorts, with the intent that a trinitarian religion would follow. In fact, the story of Abraham moving westward and jump starting a nation would have easily been written after the kingpriests established themselves east of Egypt.

[anoninnyc]

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4223/nurpassheadpm6.gif

this is the level of your discourse? no thanks. good bye.

[eternal_spirit]

this is the level of your discourse? no thanks. good bye.






LOL It was in reply to times 7 said I had my head up my ass it's a joke. get it?

If you can't see my points about how messed up the Jewish religion is nevermind. That's all I was saying. The post above this the long one made sense by megafish., unlike times 7 who want's to defend a sick religion.

[eternal_spirit]

The Jesus in the Bible was a rebel, he didn't like the Jewish religion and priesthood, that's one reason he was crucified.
One story he enters the temple (synagogue) to protest against the priesthood for slaughtering animals then has a go at the money lenders, who were probably great ancestors of the Rothschilds, for charging extortionate rates of interest to the poor.

[kblood]

Megafish33, your response to my reply makes me think you might have issues with your race, color or religion. What I love about the US is how so many different people have the chance to get together there :D Even though they do sometimes end up living in racial "districts".

I think I heard about Vin Diesel having issues with his racial heritage. He had problems and difficulties being accepted among black people and white people. Hehe, this struggle within him was probably what spurred my interest in him. Jessica Alba is another good example. They are both very good examples of how far you can get without being racially "pure", and I believe we have always been interested and intrigued by "cross-breds". I havent tried tracing my family tree much. My mother did for a while. My appearance is "1.74m high, dark brown hair, dark brown brown eyes and white skin. Nerdy white skin I guess :p

Sometimes I provoke people about the way they are born or how they look. The reactions tells me how they feel about themselves ;) I try to be fair though, and not doing it for no reason but provocation alone.

[eternal_spirit]

:D I come out in freckles in the sun, before turning brown.. :rolleyes:It's rumoured there's a bit of Jew in the family too, Great grandaddy was German.. Grand Mother Irish, I'm English. I'd love to marry a nice Jewish girl, but her family might have race issues with my mixed genes.

[mariag]

I LOVE YOU

Hate is the Very opposite of Love and that is why it is wrong.
I dont say that we are not allowed to dislike what others do and say , but the very feeling of Hate is really wrong ...


Love is the key to everything.

THANK YOU

[kblood]

I LOVE YOU

Hate is the Very opposite of Love and that is why it is wrong.
I dont say that we are not allowed to dislike what others do and say , but the very feeling of Hate is really wrong ...


Love is the key to everything.

THANK YOU

Well put :D Denying hate is dangerous though. Very important to realise your hate and fears, in order to find a way to subdue it. Find a way to believe it isnt something to fear or hate. Of course there are times this is impossible, and then I can only agree that we should do what we all do: Help making our world a better place :D

Am I contradicting myself alot? Of course I am, reality is so full of contradictions, that it sometimes cant be explained without. Disregard it if you will. :rolleyes:

[mariag]

Well put :D Denying hate is dangerous though. Very important to realise your hate and fears, in order to find a way to subdue it. Find a way to believe it isnt something to fear or hate. Of course there are times this is impossible, and then I can only agree that we should do what we all do: Help making our world a better place :D

Am I contradicting myself alot? Of course I am, reality is so full of contradictions, that it sometimes cant be explained without. Disregard it if you will. :rolleyes:


I LOVE YOU

Absolutely , denying hate would be very critical to our life , but as I said it is better to love then to hate , then on the other hand we cant help but to dislike what some people do but we should try to help and teach those people the right way of living.
And we should not judge a book by its covers , noone really are who they say that they are in a whole and so we should try to look beyond the shells and try to give love instead.

THANK YOU

[eternal_spirit]

I LOVE YOU

Hate is the Very opposite of Love and that is why it is wrong.
I dont say that we are not allowed to dislike what others do and say , but the very feeling of Hate is really wrong ...


Love is the key to everything.

THANK YOU
...........

Yes true, it can turn in on yourself too much hate, but it's still a human emotion and repressing it isn't always a a good thing. There are different levels of hate, being angry and shouting is one thing, Violence, murder is the opposite end of the scale.
religous wars can turn the most peacefull loving people into murders as an act for revenge of the murder of a loved one.

[eternal_spirit]

you atheists and religious folk both think you know best........ you have much more in common than you would care to admit.
...........

I prefer dynamic beliefs which can change over time instead of having a static fixed belief system.

You may think I'm an athiest, you may be wrong. Maybe I'm an atheistic, agnostic, believer. All I know is I won't let any relgious books tell me what God( good) devil (evil) is or how I should live my life. A wise person can see that religion limits a persons full potential and is a prison in many ways, which causes divisons and racism amongst different religons and belief systems.

This is what I believe...We are all God, or part of creation. There is no supreme being. maybe where not meant to know all of creation while where in these physical bodys, but experience a part of it.

[times7]

[quote=times7;89067]Well infact you are totaly wrong there , you are a bigot atheist with your head stuck up your rear end eternal

The fact of the matter is its the religious Jews who are against the state of Israel(the Torah Jews)

Were as the atheist Jews are the selfish savages that rule Israel,the Israeli goverment is DOMINATED by atheist Jews this is a FACT not a view point.

........................

fact = jews circumcise 8 day old baby boys in the name of religion it's written in the holy books. That's reality okay. Who performs this sick act? the priesthood okay!

You are obviously blind to reality.

The muslim guy posted parts of these so called Holy scriptures it's plain for anyone to see how sick and racist this religion is.

What religon are you times seven ? Have I upset you because I and others here can see the truth.

Fact= All the religous books are not the word of God but the word of men.

Fact = Religion has been the cause of more death and war on this planet than anything else. You can quote all you like about aetheism, you know they where probably rebelling against the religous fundamentalists ie all the major religions who persecutued and killed the none believers Convert or die?

Of cours you can't see reality got you're head up you're ass Mr:rolleyes:




Hey Eternal I REPEAT

Moa atheist banned religion in China 80 million MURDERED

Stalin atheist banned religion in Russia 60 million MURDERED

Kim Jong atheist banned religion millions MURDERED

Polpot atheist banned religion millions MURDERED

Lenin atheist Banned religion millions MURDERED

Trotsky atheist communist atheist butchter millions MURDERED

Jacobins atheist in France 1/2 a million MURDERED

Communists in Africa atheists millions MURDERED

Israels goverment is ran by atheist Jews they are MURDERERS
(and fools like you think atheists are peaceful)


atheist goverments in the last 90 years have murdered over 150 million people,this is a FACT,the communists were biggoted to towards religious belief and thought the answer to the worlds problems was rammimg atheism down peoples throats(just like you eternal)

Lets talk about the atheist polpot,he banned religion and gave orders to murder children who had ate chocolate and murdered anyone who wore glasses,is there another leader in history as mental as atheist polpot ?
(i guess the animal polpot is fine with you eternal ?)


Atheists are the most blood drenched leaders in history
not that this bothers Richard Darwkins and his nutty fascist followers as they finger point and follow the NWO agenda which is to destroy all religions and have a NWO religion called "atheist humanism" the most stinking racist belief system on the palnet.

Darwkins is a darwinist,(like Hitler) you see Hitler hated christianity and believed in Darwins theory of lower evolved human beings(root races) and thought the root races were sub human,Darwkins is a NWO disinfo agent you ingnorant stupid moron.Hitler was not a christian(hitler satanist google it)


You get these complete idiots that cant see Richard Darwkins for what he is and thats a LIAR,atheism is the origin of savagery and utter BARBARITY,if you think atheism is some nice peaceful system the NWO system owns you.

As for my religion i would say im a christian thats not to say i finger point at all other religions and call them worthless and want them destroyed like YOU

I would put the people of Tibet above atheists like you and RICHARD DARWKINS AND THEIR RACIST DARWINS MONKEY THEORY


I dont believe in eteranl hell,so im not a mainstream christian

I believe there are many paths to enlightenment but believing in darwins lower evolved human beings is not one of them,say a prayer for the children of Tibet tonight,the children of Tibet are being murdered by atheist controlled China and their culture is being destroyed by atheist bigot fanatics.


I advise you and anyone who is reading this to read the protocols of Zion,which explains the Antichrist plan and the FACT that atheism is the NWO control systen to make people biggoted to religious belief,

1897 the protocols were written before WW1,see the prohecy and see the evil of atheist vipers who wish to destroy faith in God





http://www.iamthewitness.com/Protocols-of-Zion.htm


btw

In the gulags were women and children were thrown in atheist controlled Russia,the atheist goverment had a policy of rapists as guards

real nice arent they these fascist atheists like Richard Darwkins who ignore Truth with their rascist lower evolved human beings garbage

Darwinists = Nazis

[times7]

...........

I prefer dynamic beliefs which can change over time instead of having a static fixed belief system.

You may think I'm an athiest, you may be wrong. Maybe I'm an atheistic, agnostic, believer. All I know is I won't let any relgious books tell me what God( good) devil (evil) is or how I should live my life. A wise person can see that religion limits a persons full potential and is a prison in many ways, which causes divisons and racism amongst different religons and belief systems.

This is what I believe...We are all God, or part of creation. There is no supreme being. maybe where not meant to know all of creation while where in these physical bodys, but experience a part of it.


You are biggoted towards religion,when the fact of the matter is atheists are the most blood drenched leaders in history,atheist communism murdered over 150 million people,why do you ignore this and lick the back side of atheist Jews
There will come a time when christians will be murdered in the USA/UK just for being christian,it happened in Soviet Russia and will happen again,thanks to Marilyn Manson and people who share the same intolerent views

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8FKHaSROt18


btw


Did you know that Columbine school shootings were commited by atheist God hating Jews ?
(the media covered this up)



see link


http://judicial-inc.biz/columbine_killers.htm


The Antichrist plan is to promote religious hatred for Christians,look at Marilyn Manson or other pervert rock stars ,they are always attacking christians,do you think they would be allowed to attack Jews in this way ?

christians = enemy NO1 to the Antichrist plan

[i_am]

You are biggoted towards religion,when the fact of the matter is atheists are the most blood drenched leaders in history,atheist communism murdered over 150 million people,why do you ignore this and lick the back side of atheist Jews
There will come a time when christians will be murdered in the USA/UK just for being christian,it happened in Soviet Russia and will happen again,thanks to Marilyn Manson and people who share the same intolerent views

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8FKHaSROt18





Whoa! Calm down there times 7

If you read what eternal said

I prefer dynamic beliefs which can change over time instead of having a static fixed belief system.

You may think I'm an athiest, you may be wrong. Maybe I'm an atheistic, agnostic, believer. All I know is I won't let any relgious books tell me what God( good) devil (evil) is or how I should live my life. A wise person can see that religion limits a persons full potential and is a prison in many ways, which causes divisons and racism amongst different religons and belief systems.

This is what I believe...We are all God, or part of creation. There is no supreme being. maybe where not meant to know all of creation while where in these physical bodys, but experience a part of it.

Those are not the views of an athiest. Those are the views of an agnostic. HUGE difference.

[eternal_spirit]

You are biggoted towards religion,when the fact of the matter is atheists are the most blood drenched leaders in history,atheist communism murdered over 150 million people,why do you ignore this and lick the back side of atheist Jews
There will come a time when christians will be murdered in the USA/UK just for being christian,it happened in Soviet Russia and will happen again,thanks to Marilyn Manson and people who share the same intolerent views

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8FKHaSROt18


btw


Did you know that Columbine school shootings were commited by atheist God hating Jews ?
(the media covered this up)



see link


http://judicial-inc.biz/columbine_killers.htm


The Antichrist plan is to promote religious hatred for Christians,look at Marilyn Manson or other pervert rock stars ,they are always attacking christians,do you think they would be allowed to attack Jews in this way ?

christians = enemy NO1 to the Antichrist plan
.....................

You've not said anything new here.
I don't lick anyones ass. Maybe a nice girlys bottom, if she insited :pthat to me would be closer to a Goddess, than anything in the religous books :)

[times7]

Yeah but you ignore the atheist control system dont you and the fact atheist goverments are the most blood drenched in history.

Atheism is promoted with a nice rosy tinted image by the media isnt it with the NWO agents like Darwkins in universitys,science,schools pumping out atheist lies of lower evolved human beings and thats what darwins theory comes down to.

Atheist perverts like Marilyn Manson leading the youth to moral depravity,its all part of the Antichrist plan

It seems that you dislike Marilyn Manson but agree with his atheist hatred and atheist intolerence.

I prefer the Torah Jews to these atheist Jew hypocrites most of these atheist Jews worship Satan any way,they just pretend to be atheist just like it says in the Protocols of Zion.

Even the knights Templar got kicked out of Christian Europe for Devil worship,Richard Darwkins is a disinfo agent,no one can claim to be awake and follow the atheist path

We are in a spiritual war and atheism is the enemy,there are many prochecys in the protocols of Zion,if you want to understand the NWO you need to understand the protocols

NWO = One World Leader = Antichrist


btw


ever heard of Javier Solana ?,he is setting up Satans kingdom ready for Antichrist,2008 could be a big year (US election)

2010 is another big year,see the link and understand that there is a real war on for your soul


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Kjk0oX94g


All knees shall bow to lord Jesus after the antichrist is destroyed,even the atheist brainwashed will see in the end,that means ALL

[eternal_spirit]

times 7 ......We can all love and hate regardless of being religous or atheist. Okay I'll watch some of those vids. I don't wan't to argue about who's right or wrong anymore.

[times7]

The word Agnostic was coined by T Huxely in 1859,he invented the word because he was an atheist that thought agnostic sounded better,the words infact mean the same thing as atheist

In the dictionary agnostic means

" someone who holds that knowledge of a supreme being is impossible"
(thats atheism)
.................................................. .................................................. ....

Later on in history Aldous Huxely said this

"the fight for global goverment is the eternal war that through out history it becomes invisible and visible" its the occult (the secret of history)
(Aldous Huxely)



The American civil war,the french revolution,WW1,WW2,communism,vietnam,Korean war,Iraq war,all wars are started by warlocks,its the occult,Huxely was a warlock ,just like the leaders in the white house in 2007,they are behind all wars,Darwkins is a very educated man he knows this,Darwkins = NWO disinfo agent

btw

NWO = One World Leader = Antichrist

[times7]

times 7 ......We can all love and hate regardless of being religous or atheist. Okay I'll watch some of those vids. I don't wan't to argue about who's right or wrong anymore.





I never meant to hurt you eternal spirit

I just dont like atheism,its evil,nothing personal

i wish i didnt call you an atheist bigot i am sorry i did that


peace to you

[eternal_spirit]

I have heard this before and I agree times 7 with what you say about Huxley etc, but these guys where high Freemasons. Who, or what do you believe is the Grand Architect Of the Universe as stated in Masonry?

[eternal_spirit]

I never meant to hurt you eternal spirit

I just dont like atheism,its evil,nothing personal

i wish i didnt call you an atheist bigot i am sorry i did that


peace to you
.........

No problem I've been called worse. peace in return to you :D I've read some of you're other posts on the Forum and they are informative.

[eternal_spirit]

Afterall times 7 there are many religous and non religous people who are againt the NWO etc. We all wan't the truth and a better world.

[times7]

Eternal spirit

Friends at last

hey remember when you were first started school and you have a fight with someone and they end up your best friend ever,that is how we could end up ,he,he


check out this link,its my youtube channel,best videos on the net



http://uk.youtube.com/user/z777z


NWO = One World Leader = Antichrist

[times7]

Afterall times 7 there are many religous and non religous people who are againt the NWO etc. We all wan't the truth and a better world.

Fair enough,but if you notice a lot of these non religious people(not all) are in to the occult,people who mess with the occult new age are selling their soul to satan and end up serving the NWO plan which is religious intolerence,its very ,very serious and something to beware of

The USA/UK will end up voodoo nations the NWO are doing this by design,as countrys in the west become more secular they become more violent and depraved,its just the way it is

Take Africa,all African pagan nations fell to colonilaism,Ethopia never

Ethopia routed foriegn armys for centurys,Ethopia was a Christian Nation before Rome,all pagan countrys in Africa fell to the sword as is written in scipture to happen, the rules are no different to the so called enlightened countrys in the west


Thats why Russia fell to communism,because over of a high % of pagans with hatred for christians,communism = no private propert rights = slavery

btw

NWO = One World Leader = Antichrist

[i_am]

This is what my dictionary says.

Agnostic: A person who believes one cannot know if God exists

Atheist: A person who does not believe in God or Gods


Huxley on agnosticism

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/huxley.htm

Although the origins of the term agnosticism are normally attributed directly to Huxley’s involvement in the Metaphysical Society in 1876, we can in fact find clear evidence of the same principles much earlier in his writings. As early as 1860 he wrote in a letter to Charles Kingsley:
I neither affirm nor deny the immortality of man. I see no reason for believing it, but, on the other hand, I have no means of disproving it. I have no a priori objections to the doctrine. No man who has to deal daily and hourly with nature can trouble himself about a priori difficulties. Give me such evidence as would justify me in believing in anything else, and I will believe that. Why should I not? It is not half so wonderful as the conservation of force or the indestructibility of matter...
It should be noted in all of the above that for Huxley, agnosticism was not a creed or a doctrine or even simply a position on the issue of gods; instead, it was a methodology with respect to how one approaches metaphysical questions generally. It is curious that Huxley felt the need for a word to describe his methodology, for the term rationalism was already being used to describe pretty much the same thing. It is important to keep in mind that while Huxley introduced a new name, he certainly did not introduce the perspective or method which that name described.

Other explanations

Atheist: one who denies the existence of God a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Christian: 1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith. 2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country. 3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades. 4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christ like: She displayed true Christian charity. 5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial. 6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn't Christian.

Agnostic; 1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience. 2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/atheism.htm

Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not.
Thus, it is clear that agnosticism is compatible with both theism and atheism. A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism. On the other hand, a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism.

[i_am]

Eternal spirit

Friends at last

hey remember when you were first started school and you have a fight with someone and they end up your best friend ever,that is how we could end up ,he,he


check out this link,its my youtube channel,best videos on the net



http://uk.youtube.com/user/z777z


NWO = One World Leader = Antichrist


Well done guys :)

We are all on the one side, aren't we?

It would, however, be pretty boring if we all agreed, all the time :D

[kblood]

btw

NWO = One World Leader = Antichrist

The series heroes got a nice point of view on this. Very nice even :) I can only recommend it. I hope season 2 will be at least half as good. Sounds like they have some ideas for season 2 while making season 1.

[kblood]

I never meant to hurt you eternal spirit

I just dont like atheism,its evil,nothing personal

i wish i didnt call you an atheist bigot i am sorry i did that


peace to you

I dont believe atheism to be evil. Viewing the world as godless is cynical point of view though. Also many theories behind atheism are founded on ideas that does try to justify evil though. Alot of racism and justification for racism comes from atheists though. No belief is evil on its own, it needs those that follow it to act on it. Most who do are probably fanatics, that doesnt follow their heart. Can happen in all religions and beliefs. I havent read any of them to directly support murdering people. They all, at most, imply it afaik...

[notaslave]

I am agnostic. My "problem" with all religions is that their God seeks to destroy people. (usually quite violently)

If we as human beings are capable of not killing each other (though admittedly many people over the years have tried my patience, I havent yet succumbed to killing them) - then why is their God wanting to kill?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Greetings & Salutations Notaslave!

First and foremost, would it not be wise to first realise, as mortal humans, we are utilising less than 50% of our Brain/Mind Capacity Utilisation.
We are swimmin' upstream right from the start.

Consider the playing field. Doctrines ranging from Reincarnation to die once temporarily until ressurrection. All the players have souls that reset.

Utilising the sub 50% of my Brain/Mind Capacity, I would reckon they kill, because they can. All the gods and Yahweh are superbeings with super powers and skills.

Speaking only for Yahweh(not a god) I believe the case can be made, the killings he ordained were just, and would serve as demonstatives for future edification. I cannot speak for any of the gods.

[eternal_spirit]

Greetings & Salutations Notaslave!



Speaking only for Yahweh(not a god) I believe the case can be made, the killings he ordained were just, and would serve as demonstatives for future edification. I cannot speak for any of the gods.

.....................

What are you saying exactly? Just meaning it was( is ) right for yahweh or it's followers to kill:confused:

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings Eternal Spirit!

That is an affirmative! Roger That!

Speaking only to the Book of Yahweh, all events occur according to the Plan of Yahweh, nothing happens that is not according to this Plan.
"Fear no man, for they may only kill your body, only I Yahweh can destroy both body and soul!"

Yahwehs doctrine states all humans die at least once. The soul sleeps until
it is summoned to one or another of two ressurections. At that time training begins in Yahwehs Laws and methods, also any type of non-harmful skills you may desire. After 100 years of training and testing, than you will be judged as to whether or not you want to swing with Him, being part of Yahwehs family, inhabiting the universe in anthropomorphic form.Keeping the Laws of Yahweh.

The choice has been, is, and will always be yours and yours alone to make.

[lumukanda]

look into the beliefs of the cathars, the bogomils, the paulicians, the manicheans to see what yahweh really is.

[eternal_spirit]

Okay, so when you hang out with Yaweh as you put it lol, is that kind of like being in Heaven because you have progressed to an evolved state of being?

[eternal_spirit]

Sounds a bit like this here.


Cutting Through Book 1 by Alan Watt
The Androgynous (Hermaphroditic) Agenda



Sample Page From Book 1



5To form is to Shape. People are shaped by IN-Forming. Information is
neutral, like law, neither true nor false. Masters of Gnosis dispence the
sequences of directives which, in scientifically designed order, form the
ideas, opinions and life, the beliefs, reality AND DESTINY of the receiver
YOU. When IN-DOCTRINATION is complete you have been MASTERED. To
"doctor" means "to fix" by a science or Discipline. YOU ARE NOW A
MASTER-COPY, not original but ABORIGINAL. Original people saw things in
entirety. Pythagorus taught a science of controlling the mind, by reducing all
thought down to mathematical formulae. The REAL priesthood call this THE
TRINITY. It s as easy as A1B2C3The Greek philosophers taught the method in story form. An imaginary
Dialogue would occur between two or more people. By "logic" every societal
problem was reduced to the BINARY CODE. EITHER-OR. We know it better
as the Dialectic Process. By how LOGOS(the WORD) is used, those
following the conversation are brought to a conclusion . The conclusion BEE-
comes their own. They are now INFORMED. The purpose is to usurp power
from the individual and have him slave willingly towards "the betterment of
humanity." The beehive has always been the symbol of the perfect society in
ancient Egypt, the Minoan culture and Freemasonry. Behave is from
Beehive. Plato discussed the types of bees in relation to classes of people.
The majority were workers who brought home the nectar. The drone priests
sorted it into grades of honey. The best is Royal Jelly for themselves and
the "Queen" while the workers are given denaturalised refuse.Unlike modern freemasonry where the initiate must say "I AM" pre-Jaques-
Pierrian English had no Am. The candidate said "I BEE". The number of
masonry is Four. "To bee or not to bee=2xb(2)=4. Jaques is French for
Jacob, Pierre is Peter, Rock etc.. This is typical masonic "allegory" for
Jacob's Pillow (foundation) on which he had his "dream". This is a re-hash
from the Egyptian Book of the Dead story of Ascended Masters to-day
known as M ITREAS. The nobility ruling Egypt and their empire were called
Hamites. The priesthoods taught their own race the doctrine of
REINCARNATION. Those who ruled were "spirits" which had completed
many cycles with such perfection, they only returned to "help rule" the "poor
masses" which "could not rule themselves". Elitists Murderers, Thieves and
liars, a Brotherhood which hi-jacked reality and gave illu(light)si(spirit of)on.
Every Lodge has its picture of Jacob's ladder(rungs are degrees)
symbolizing the ascention of the novice, returning as angels(angles) to
earth, perfected.

tableWorkaround(13)

[kblood]

I am agnostic. My "problem" with all religions is that their God seeks to destroy people. (usually quite violently)

If we as human beings are capable of not killing each other (though admittedly many people over the years have tried my patience, I havent yet succumbed to killing them) - then why is their God wanting to kill?

A god wanting to kill? I dont think any religion has a bible that says it is okay to kill. Problem is how the followers follow their bible, koran or whatever in other ways than it says. They usually have to bend the rules of their bible to justify killing. The Koran implies that there can be "just" causes, but what makes it just? That is what people decides... many of the rules are their own interpretation of it. So many stupid religions... well Im thinkin Jehovas Witnesses :rolleyes:, tries to justify what they think with bible citations. But they are taken out of syntax. Could be some completely different meaning to it in the full context.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Greetings Lads & Lasses!

#1: Lumukanda! Shalom! The writings you cite are distortions and do not reveal the True Nature of Yahweh.
The Nature of Yahweh is explicitly explored in the Book of Psalms,
Proverbs of Solomon. so on. He killed off the whole adult population of the Yahdaim He led out of Egypt. Why do you think they marched around a small desert for 40 years. With justified reason.

#2: Thirdwave! you scamp you! The Book of Yahweh is both intergalactic and interdimensional in scope. Kingdom of Heaven is another dimension/plane as yet unseen. No, I haven't had a drink with Yahweh, but I wouldn't mind!

#3: Swingin' with Him, was use of an allegory. When, through ardent personal studies and observation, one can become aware of the merits of the wisdom of the Torah and Father Yahwehs Plan, one can understand occurences with a new light, much as I see adherents of other doctrines attest. Remember also, most of the killings are done by mankind himself due to his 'Lusts" The 'Carnal"Mind. Coveting.

The solutions are not military, scientific,political,or religeous but character. The root cause of all problems are individuals of 'Bad' moral character. Then they socialize with others of poor character. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS!

Group behaviour of humankind is the reason we have not moved out to the stars,colonies of the moon. He, Yahweh doesn't want a bunch of Yutzs messin up other places.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Eternal Spirit: The Alan Watt article only demonstates his own ignorance on the subject. I would have to say he most certainly has studied many books and has had many experiences but he comes up woefully short, attributing doctrines to the Book of Yahweh that are not in it.his useage of Logos is very telling. Also citing Py/tha/goras numerology. All forbidden doctrines.

To be brief: Doctrines of any sun-cult,trinitarian,pre-existant messiah, kabbalistic,gnostic, hellenist,neo-platonist,talmudic are not in the Book of Yahweh. What is perhaps unique about the Book of Yahweh, is that the Torah,613 Laws,Judgements and Statutes are the Granitic Bedrock of the Plan of Yahweh. So any situation is considered through the lens of the Law.

Any Doctrine, assertion, claim must be examined this way. If it contradicts even the smallest part of the Law it may safely be considered an alteration that was added, sometimes things are removed causing confusion.

Its a real pisser!

And it has very challenging concepts that are not so easily embraced or understood, but yet......

I will post a site, the people are horribly excoriated, and reviled and reproached and rebuked by many,yet, the information they provide on this most debatable book, is as a cool breeze on a hot humid day.

I did my own vetting and research of this group, and found most of the allegations to be meritless.

checkout yahweh.com for impressively clear information on this subject.
evilbible.com dissapears to nothing when faced with facts.

[notaslave]

A god wanting to kill? I dont think any religion has a bible that says it is okay to kill. Problem is how the followers follow their bible, koran or whatever in other ways than it says. They usually have to bend the rules of their bible to justify killing. The Koran implies that there can be "just" causes, but what makes it just? That is what people decides... many of the rules are their own interpretation of it. So many stupid religions... well Im thinkin Jehovas Witnesses :rolleyes:, tries to justify what they think with bible citations. But they are taken out of syntax. Could be some completely different meaning to it in the full context.
Duteronomy 21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
22 ¶ And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:


psalms 137
Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom

in the day of Jerusalem;
who said, Rase it, rase it,
even to the foundation thereof.
8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed;

happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Rev. 18.6
9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth

thy little ones against the stones.


I get my info from the Landover Baptists- Where the Worthwhile Worship Unsaved Unwelcome! (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/) lol (but checked it with King James bible online) there's more if you want?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

If I may, I would like to proffer an alternate translation for comparison, and through close examination discern a deeper understanding of this most important subject. From the Book of Yahweh:

PSALM 137: v7-9."Longing for Zion by the Rivers of Babylon'

7:Remember this against the Edomites, O Yahweh-That they said in the day of yerusalems fall: Tear it Down!! Raze it to its very foundation!!

8:O Daughter of Babylon(satan), you who are doomed to be destroyed! Joyous is He who will repay you for what you have done to us!

9:He Who is upright will seize your little ones(satans minions)and dash them into pieces against the stones!

A 'Lament of the Yahdaim' from perspective of exile, captivity in Babylon,after destruction of Temple and City

The 'Death by Lapidation'(stoning) penalty was removed by Yahshua in the well known incident of a mob looking to stone an adulteress, You know the one, Let he who is sinless cast the first stone.NOTE: The Laws pertaining to this situation remain, the penalty is lessened,for now.

The Penalties as they were, were neccessary to His Plan to advance humankind. The Crux of the Crux of the Crux is Moral Character.
From the Beginning and to the End.

[notaslave]

sorry snoop I am a Landover baptist

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings notaslave!

Landover baptist, that sounds familiar. Are they the lads and lasses that protest at the funerals of returning vets?

[notaslave]

I wouldnt know snoop, I meant it in the way that I agree with them, that organised religion encourages violence.

[kblood]

I get my info from the Landover Baptists- Where the Worthwhile Worship Unsaved Unwelcome! (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/) lol (but checked it with King James bible online) there's more if you want?

Thanks for the link :) Hmm, as might be obvious I never read the bible much. I once went to "bible stories" club for kids. I think my mother had some hidden agendas with that. Was fun though, and I like stories :) Guess they picked out stories that was better for kids to hear about. Hmm, I even bought a jesus stories book. I didnt really think much about that club or why I went there. We arent that christian. No church every sunday and all that.

[megafish33]

Megafish33, your response to my reply makes me think you might have issues with your race, color or religion. What I love about the US is how so many different people have the chance to get together there :D Even though they do sometimes end up living in racial "districts".

I think I heard about Vin Diesel having issues with his racial heritage. He had problems and difficulties being accepted among black people and white people. Hehe, this struggle within him was probably what spurred my interest in him. Jessica Alba is another good example. They are both very good examples of how far you can get without being racially "pure", and I believe we have always been interested and intrigued by "cross-breds". I havent tried tracing my family tree much. My mother did for a while. My appearance is "1.74m high, dark brown hair, dark brown brown eyes and white skin. Nerdy white skin I guess :p

Sometimes I provoke people about the way they are born or how they look. The reactions tells me how they feel about themselves ;) I try to be fair though, and not doing it for no reason but provocation alone.

Yeah, I've never been a big fan of labeling I guess. Also, when you keep hearing negativity about "your people" it can get to you, no matter what it is, that they're make believe, evil, or both, etc. lol

Yup, we're a melting pot here. My 'block' has probably several dozen different nationalities living here. You can get confused at the grocery store listening to all the different languages being spoken.

[kblood]

Yeah, I've never been a big fan of labeling I guess. Also, when you keep hearing negativity about "your people" it can get to you, no matter what it is, that they're make believe, evil, or both, etc. lol

Yup, we're a melting pot here. My 'block' has probably several dozen different nationalities living here. You can get confused at the grocery store listening to all the different languages being spoken.

Here in my country, we mostly split up in groups and societies, a bit like in the USA I guess. I remember visiting a place called Bazar West I think it was. It is a Bazar :) Seems like it has been made just like a Bazar in the east, and so many foreign people trade there. Lots of exotic fruits and vegetables being sold and alot of items that you usually dont see elsewhere. Reminds me alot of Turkey (or is that the bird? :o ) where large parts of their tourism cities anyway is like a big Bazar. Such an exciting place to do some "shopping". Not bound in any ways of the western rules of marketing and global companies. Having the same stock of goods every week like in every other country in the world and all that.

At this Bazar in my country there sure was alot of different people from different places. Mostly africa I think, but maybe Asia as well. And of course us, who felt a bit like tourists when entering the Bazar :)

Sometimes it can surprise you how much of foreign cultures is brought to your country from those that visits. I especially like the variety of restaurants that comes with it.

*Visits: Many are not just visiting of course, or they would not bring so much of their culture here. I think they like our kind of society. I think our govenment has tried to mix the best of communism with western capitalism, and so far it seems to work out. We also have democrathy (that everyone gets to vote, sorry I dont make sure I dont make spelling errors, all the time), which seems nice at least. Not sure how corrupted it is yet. Not as easy to infuence like a dictatorship as I see it.

[blindspot]

Kill Jews? I don't think this is a good idea.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings James777!:

The evidence of dozens of Scriptural Verses & Doctrines culled from the Book of Yahweh(bible), will conclusively make the case a person does not have the right to harbor Hate against anyone.Even Satan and her Beast System are not to be Hated, rather they are to be Loved,while rejecting their values and doctrines.

Love your neighbor & Love your Enemy

A fresh perspective of the Middle-East Conundrum would be enhanced by
resetting Historically Proper Names & Titles for the Entities of interest in the aforementioned region. To wit:

#1: Instead of the name,Palestine, a Roman Slave Colony, why not restore the name Canaan?

An often overlooked point in the Israeli-Canaanite conflict is the matter of the Legal Contract between Father Yahweh and the Yahdaim(people of Yahweh) that is available for any human on Earth to peruse.

Contained within that contract is precise equitable solution to the current dillema.

What Fools We Mortals Be!

notaslave, yeah, I forgot about Landover. Hilarious, the sad,scary thing is they are not that far off from that congegation they're satirizing. Westover Baptist isn't it.

Westover Baptist is a perfect Paradigm of the corruption of The Book of Yahweh and its teachings.

When one is properly informed on Yahwehs work, their deceit is obvious,
Notice Fred and his kin come in the name of god, not Yahweh, Yahweh is not a god. If you were really serving Yahweh you would know the difference,you would also use His name and cite it for authority as all the prophets had done.

Recall, George W. Bush recieved orders from god to hate and strike peoples.
He did not recieve these orders from Yahweh.George W. Bush is a servant of a god.

Do you know which god? god>generic Title of Office,should be accompanied with name. Specificity and Etymology are plusses.

[james777]

Peace & Greetings James777!:

The evidence of dozens of Scriptural Verses & Doctrines culled from the Book of Yahweh(bible), will conclusively make the case a person does not have the right to harbor Hate against anyone.Even Satan and her Beast System are not to be Hated, rather they are to be Loved,while rejecting their values and doctrines.

Love your neighbor & Love your Enemy

A fresh perspective of the Middle-East Conundrum would be enhanced by
resetting Historically Proper Names & Titles for the Entities of interest in the aforementioned region. To wit:

#1: Instead of the name,Palestine, a Roman Slave Colony, why not restore the name Canaan?

An often overlooked point in the Israeli-Canaanite conflict is the matter of the Legal Contract between Father Yahweh and the Yahdaim(people of Yahweh) that is available for any human on Earth to peruse.

Contained within that contract is precise equitable solution to the current dillema.

What Fools We Mortals Be!

notaslave, yeah, I forgot about Landover. Hilarious, the sad,scary thing is they are not that far off from that congegation they're satirizing. Westover Baptist isn't it.

Westover Baptist is a perfect Paradigm of the corruption of The Book of Yahweh and its teachings.

When one is properly informed on Yahwehs work, their deceit is obvious,
Notice Fred and his kin come in the name of god, not Yahweh, Yahweh is not a god. If you were really serving Yahweh you would know the difference,you would also use His name and cite it for authority as all the prophets had done.

Recall, George W. Bush recieved orders from god to hate and strike peoples.
He did not recieve these orders from Yahweh.George W. Bush is a servant of a god.

Do you know which god? god>generic Title of Office,should be accompanied with name. Specificity and Etymology are plusses.

Good points here.......do you have a link or something where I can review the scriptures that you read?

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=snoopsnuffleopagus;91310]Ladies and Gentlemen:

Eternal Spirit: The Alan Watt article only demonstates his own ignorance on the subject. I would have to say he most certainly has studied many books and has had many experiences but he comes up woefully short, attributing doctrines to the Book of Yahweh that are not in it.his useage of Logos is very telling. Also citing Py/tha/goras numerology. All forbidden doctrines.

To be brief: Doctrines of any sun-cult,trinitarian,pre-existant messiah, kabbalistic,gnostic, hellenist,neo-platonist,talmudic are not in the Book of Yahweh. What is perhaps unique about the Book of Yahweh, is that the Torah,613 Laws,Judgements and Statutes are the Granitic Bedrock of the Plan of Yahweh. So any situation is considered through the lens of the Law.

..............

Yes, it was more a case of me comparing religions on the whole, the reincarnation of so called superior beings, who become the ruling Elite Priesthood, who dictate to the masses of so called lesser beings about how they should think and what laws they should follow, in other words imposing on their freewill.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings Eternal Spirit!

The Crux of the Crux of the Crux root cause of all problems with humankind begins with Moral Character. This is where all the Elders and Teachers have gone off the tracks.

Through their own deficits of charcter they misteach,they mislead, then they conspire with others of like mind, the Carnal Mind.

Carnal(base,lustful,coveteous mind) or the higher Mind(love,compassion empathy)

As much as the Vatican is off the tracks, so is evilbible.com off the tracks.
The pendulum swings both ways.

Due to the corruption of the texts, anyone making a serious study of this most important subject, will find themselves swimming upstream,southbound in a northbound world.

This should be a prerequisite before presenting arguments.

Frustrating to the wouldbe critic is the fact they usually will be presenting corrupted texts and forbidden doctrines for their arguments.

The Great Irony: Yahwehs teachings are open, they are not secret, people of poor moral charcter removed His Name(more than 5,000 times)changed text,added text,took away text, yet the crux remains. ARS LONGA-VITA BREVIS

A quality source for information on Yahweh and Yahshua:yahweh.com

Love & Hate the choice is yours

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings James777!:

Thank You! A vital resource of study,especially for wouldbe critics, is:

Stongs-exhaustive concordance of the bible. 15-20$ usa.

This book contains both hebrew and greek dictionary.
Every english word in the bible is cross referenced to either the greek or hebrew translations.

Take the word Hate. Page 571 in Stongs indicates it appears in a hundred or so verses. All the forms of Hate ie. Hated, Hateful,Haters are listed as well,producing a few hundred verse
Then all the adjectives of hate.

Enough information to make an informed deciscion and judgement as to the quality and nature of Hate.Which is always the onus of the reader studying any aspect of the Book of Yahweh.

The Book of Yahweh, availiable at yahweh.com is a well regarded(by scholars) translation, My opinion is, it is a very good fruit of very hard labour.

We are all allowed to rebuke that which offends us, and for followers of Yahweh, that is were it ends, unless further action is tasked to us by Yahweh Himself or one of His Authentic servants. The test for authenticity is of course given freely to all in the pages of scripture.

Here is the Big Litmus Test: If they speak not to the Law and the Prophecies there is no light in them. Most Elders & Teachers fail this one benchmark. oh well

Any translation is improved with Strongs as a reference and to locate words. Ultimate 'cherrypickers' tool. I have not used it once on this forum,till now, to look at the Hate List. Quite copious.

Hatred is contrary to Yahwehs Laws of Moral Character.

[kblood]

To say a god wants its subjects to kill, makes it contradict itself. A god cant be contradicted, the way I term god anyway. Unless you term a very high planar being as a god. That is why I stay away from religion. They got written beliefs, and writings are probably corrupted over time.

[megafish33]

At this Bazar in my country there sure was alot of different people from different places. Mostly africa I think, but maybe Asia as well. And of course us, who felt a bit like tourists when entering the Bazar :)

Sometimes it can surprise you how much of foreign cultures is brought to your country from those that visits. I especially like the variety of restaurants that comes with it.


That's great! Yeah it's like a "bazar" here by default. :) One thing I probably couldn't live without is Indian food lol :D I'm big on rich curries. *drolls* lol


A fresh perspective of the Middle-East Conundrum would be enhanced by
resetting Historically Proper Names & Titles for the Entities of interest in the aforementioned region. To wit:

#1: Instead of the name,Palestine, a Roman Slave Colony, why not restore the name Canaan?

An often overlooked point in the Israeli-Canaanite conflict is the matter of the Legal Contract between Father Yahweh and the Yahdaim(people of Yahweh) that is available for any human on Earth to peruse.

Contained within that contract is precise equitable solution to the current dillema.


Thanks for pointing this out, about the ancient name of Canaan. lol

Many forget that the Torah observant Jews are a minority there. And the government in Israel is on a De-Judaization plot so they can either fit into EU or MEFTA... looking at the big picture. Israel is very westernized. Jeez, they have Holocaust survivors there that can't afford to pay for their medications yet the government is absorbing African Muslim refugees from the Sudan region of Darfur (at the rate of over 1000 a month). :rolleyes: While my heart goes out to those people (I believe their is a genocide there), if you follow the big picture it's easy to see that even some of the most Zionist of Jews, even the ones that wanna rebuild the Temple, don't care for taking over the world... that job is probably already being taken care of by Jesuits and their secret societies, the majority of which they exclusively control. Israel, Palestine, hell, even Canaan back then... all of those governments/tribal rulers = NWO. IMHO the one who took it upon himself to be Hashem, G-d, or "Father Yahweh" as you said, was a power hungry, possibly Egyptian colonist, and sun cultist, who, along with his influential family, planned for most of what is going on today not only in that region but also in the Holy See and the rest of the world.

I still personally feel it's wrong to hate anyone. In the end, you just end up hating part of yourself anyway.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings megafish33!:

For me, the Israeli vs Caananite conflict is easily and simply resolved. As much it may discombobulate many people, the solution is available to any humanbeing on Earth that can read.

Go backwards in time, a few months, and recall the interest, across many Boards and Forums in the Cyberverse, of Mr. David Ickes, Peace & Blessings be upon him, public business.

The subject was 'Legal Contracts' which many people found informative. Mr Ickes as a public figure, had his business scrutinized by the cyberpublic.

Likewise the Israeli vs Caananite conflict is public, also is the 'contract' found in the
Book of Yahweh(the bible).

This is a legal contract between Father Yahweh and the Yahdaim(people 0f Yahweh) that were liberated from Egypt and 'under contingent conditions' were given the Land of Caanan to possess.

A case can be made the Yahdaim did not uphold aspects of the contract and several times were driven from Caanan.

A case can be made at the present time they are not honouring the contract which is the 'Root Cause' of the malaise we, the entire world must witness.

Ahhhh..........If only the 'Salacious' public would show half as much interest in the contract provided in the Book of Yahweh as it did in Mr. Ickes business, we would be well on our way to resolving the quagmire that Land finds itself in.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS!

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[infinitetruth]

I would like to start this thread off with a dis-claimer: I do not hate Jews and I am not 'anti-semitic'. I am only expressing my views and opinions on the matter.

You know, it bemuses me that it's such a 'crime' to hate jews or speak out against them. If you question 'jewish' history or question 'jewish' culture you get this great label called 'anti-semitic'. Hmmmmm, why? I just really don't get it. First, let's disect the meaning;

Anti- opposed to; against

Semitic- relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

OK, now, as far as I know this definition of 'Semitic' relates to A LOT more than just jews, so how does 'ANTI-SEMITIC' actually mean - hostility to or prejudice against Jews - I don't know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I can't think of a race of people who aren't hated by another and at the same time I don't see anyone getting 'labeled' or 'reprimanded' for speaking out against these other races. What is actually going on here?

What is the ADL and who runs it and where do they get their power and are they even jewish?

I want to go on the record and say that I have no hate in my heart for anyone or any race. I just need to understand this whole anti-semitic thing because honestly it sounds like real bullshit to me and it implicates that something much deeper is actually being hidden.

Anyways....any thoughts, comments or facts??

Millions of people have been murdered and tortured because of their colour, race, sex and religion. The holocaust may have been a big deal because it was so many in such a short space of time, but over the years many millions have been killed - so I see what your saying. The way I see it the ADL are using the holocaust in the same way as the bush administration are using 9/11 as far as I am concerned. Saying that Icke's Reptillian theory points to jews and is therefore anti semitic, is just ridiculous.

Icke may criticise some jewish people but he is not criticising jews as a whole I expect he'd rather not refer to them as 'jews' or anyone as anything since it is the labels that imprison us.