Under Pressure - Help Required

[maunite]

Dear All,

I am new to this forum but have been following Ickes work for many years together with all other aspects opposing main stream agendas.

Having recently had a daughter it seems it is now time for the pressure to be applied from my local GP (I live in the UK) towards her vaccinations. The matter of which I am totally against. Unfortunately working away from home quite a lot means that my wife gets it in the ear from the doctors and health visitors every time she visits them for routine check ups with questions like:
*How would you feel if your baby contracted a disease for which she could have been immunised.
*By not having your baby immunised you are reducing the overall coverage required to keep others safe….the list goes on.

The result being that the GP has asked me to go and see him to explain my reasoning...unbelievable!

Consequently I am trying to arm myself with as much info as possible, much of which can be taken form this site however I would be grateful for any feedback from people in the UK who have had similar experiences and the answers they provided to their GP/health "experts".

I am also keen to find out exactly what the financial relationship is pertaining to fees received by GP's in the UK for giving vaccinations.

Many thanks in advance

[gaias child]

There is plenty of info that you can use to support your case but they won't accept any of it.

Vaccinations are not mandatory yet! so it is your right as a parent to decide what is best for your child and that is what I would tell them.

Some of the ingredients of vaccines include formaledhyde aspartame, aluminium mercury, chicken embryo etc.

http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm

My son had bad reaction to first MMR swelling in leg and fever, the booster he developed high fever projectile vomiting and coma, this was in 1991, I was just told they did not know what was wrong with him and it was a mysterious virus. He later was dx with autism.

The vaccine has never formally been linked to his difficulties, but I know manyother people whose children had bad reactions to vaccines.

My sisters two chldren also had bad reactions though less severe, and she was told the reaction ie fever was normal. Both her children are also autistic and one is now found to be deaf. I know 3 in one family is pretty bad, still researching why some children have such adverse reactions, which I believe may be a genetic mitochondrial problem. Adverse reactions to vaccinations are not uncommon and many people believe the reactions are normal as that is what doctors tell them

Doctors want as many children as possible to be vaccinated because they get a fee if they meet a certain percentage.

This book may help you and has infomation surrounding the law etc

What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations: Amazon.co.uk: Stephanie Cave, Deborah Mitchell: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DobPOAwCL.@@AMEPARAM@@51DobPOAwCL

Best of luck

[decim]

You just refuse.

We had a similar pressure from a "health visitor"

The Health visitor told us our kids were the only ones in the city not to have been vaccinated.

I told her to produce a full list of all ingredients of vaccines they wanted to use, and proof they had been tested for HIV.

We never heard from her again.

You & your daughter have the right to refuse ANY medication.

They will thank you when they are older.

[rubes]

we are in the same boat, i guess within the next week or 3 we will receive a letter about the MMR, which we will NOT be having, and we cancelled the booster for her hep B and the other vaccine.....

I for one will be asking for an ingredients list for the vaccines, and i will be asking for names if any idiot get 'shirty' with us, i will not be bullied by anyone especially idiots like these who have no clue in all honesty......

we are currently in the process of reading and watching as much as poss with regards to vaccines so we can bombard the numpty's with the proper info when needed :)

[amethyst2009]

Just take along a note for the GP to sign to say they take full responsibility for any reaction, no matter how small, and will pay you £100,000 damages if there is a reaction, no matter how small. ;):D

Failing that , just tell them you refuse to have your child immunised and if you have to, change GPs if they will not leave you alone, or ask to 'opt out' of the vaccination programme, that is what I did with my youngest, after my middle child was severely disabled by the DTP.

We still get the odd reminder though..... they just go in the bin.

[rubes]

Also ask them why people still get mumps or measles etc even AFTER vaccination, as i have been on other forums where people have stated they have been vaccinated but still contracted mumps or measles etc

[margaretr]

Research into Gulf War syndrome has revealed that there are 2 types of immune system and some people get a bad vaccine reaction and some people don't.
Maybe you can advise your doc of that new research, see it here-
http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/gulf-war-syndrome-articles/how-vaccinations-work/

"In order to use vaccinations wisely, we need to understand exactly how they work. Until recently, the "mechanism of action" of vaccinations was always understood to be simply that they cause an increase in antibody levels (titers) against a specific disease antigen (bacterium or virus), thus preventing "infection" with that bacterial or viral antigen.

In recent years science has learned that the human immune system is much more complicated than we thought. It is composed of two functional branches or compartments which may work together in a mutually cooperative way or in a mutually antagonistic way depending on the health of the individual."

[maunite]

Many thanks for the replies guys.

Does anyone have any info on the financial relationship that the UK GP's have with the government or vaccine suppliers?

[amethyst2009]

Well , GPs are handsomly rewarded if they vaccinate a certain percentage of our children.That is their motive and reason.

[largejack]

Hold your ground, we are, we just throw the letters they send us in the bin.

Big Phama actually pay doctors to go to their meetings and conferences if they use their medicines and vaccines regardless of the need, and this is just an excuse for luxurious holidays.

I'd recommend following the advice here and also Google Alex Jones on vaccines, and also Google the ingredients of vaccines?

Also my partner and I spoke to one nurse on a forum who administered vaccines, and we asked her if she knew the ingredients in the vaccines, she said she didn't have a clue but just took the word of the medical establishment for granted! She called us mad and we got kicked off the forums. She said we need medical help and said it's a good job the health of children is not our responsibility.

[motleyhoo]

Go to the naturalnews website and print out all of the articles concerning the pharmaceutical companies being caught lying, cheating, falsifying data, hiding data, and paying off doctors to sign off on their fraudulent trial results. There are many articles there.

I would suggest you really think about, and type up a letter concerning all of the evidence out there that the pharma companies are in it for the money and not public safety. Include how the pharma companies spend millions lobbying our public representatives for preferential treatment, how they spend millions marketing their products to doctor's offices and medical schools, how they have taken over the funding of grants provided to those same medical schools, how they have insinurated themselves into the media by way of investment such that is now not on the media's financial interest to report on drug safety issues. I would then do an internet search on the statistics concerning how many people are killed or harmed each year by pharmaceuticals, and ask your Doctor why it is that no one has ever been held accountable for such atrocities.

There was a chart posted on this forum in the last few days showing the percentage of people getting certain illnesses who had previously been inoculated against them. If you do nothing else, find that chart and print it out. Take it to your GP and tell him that you have done the research and that there is no proof whatsoever that anyone has been prevented from getting sick from a vaccine. Tell him "Research shows that of the people who get vaccinated and those that do not, both groups get the same illnesses equally." Make shit up if you have to - tell him that quote came from the NIH.

The thing to remember most is that this is a war.

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[rubes]

Well , GPs are handsomly rewarded if they vaccinate a certain percentage of our children.That is their motive and reason.

Ask your doctor how many times a year he/she recieves their brown envelope from 'Big Pharma' and see what they say ;) .......

brown envelope = incentive = cash!

[kiwimaj]

Dear All,

I am new to this forum but have been following Ickes work for many years together with all other aspects opposing main stream agendas.

Having recently had a daughter it seems it is now time for the pressure to be applied from my local GP (I live in the UK) towards her vaccinations. The matter of which I am totally against. Unfortunately working away from home quite a lot means that my wife gets it in the ear from the doctors and health visitors every time she visits them for routine check ups with questions like:
*How would you feel if your baby contracted a disease for which she could have been immunised.
*By not having your baby immunised you are reducing the overall coverage required to keep others safe….the list goes on.

The result being that the GP has asked me to go and see him to explain my reasoning...unbelievable!

Consequently I am trying to arm myself with as much info as possible, much of which can be taken form this site however I would be grateful for any feedback from people in the UK who have had similar experiences and the answers they provided to their GP/health "experts".

I am also keen to find out exactly what the financial relationship is pertaining to fees received by GP's in the UK for giving vaccinations.

Many thanks in advance

My personal opinion is DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTACES HAVE YOUR CHILDREN VACCINATED. There is plenty of data to back up the claims that it is definately not the right thing to do for your kids.

If I had babies now, no way on this planet would I allow them to get injected, full stop ! As another forum member said, they will thank you for it. Please please please do not allow your partner to succumb to the deceipt and pressure that they will put her under, its all about money and disabling the human immune system. Human beings are amazing and can heal themselves, if given the right environtment. No human needs any immunisations, whatsoever, end of ! :mad:

Best of luck !

[anthony65]

whale.to is an absolute treasure trove of information!

http://www.whale.to/

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

[gaias child]

Does anyone have any info on the financial relationship that the UK GP's have with the government or vaccine suppliers?

Gp practices can get bonuses of £10.000 if they meet vaccination targets, the amount they get is according to percentage of children vaccinated. Makes you quite sick!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article70331.ece

I think it is a good idea to ask the gp if he is prepared to sign that he will pay £100.000- to you if there is any reaction and whether he can guarantee that, which he won't.

[margaretr]

I have found this in the Convention of Human Rights-

Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Dignity of the Human Being with regard to the Application of Biology and Medicine: Convention on Human Rights and Biomedicine
Oviedo, 4.IV.1997

Chapter II – Consent

Article 5 – General rule

An intervention in the health field may only be carried out after the person concerned has given free and informed consent to it.
This person shall beforehand be given appropriate information as to the purpose and nature of the intervention as well as on its consequences and risks.
The person concerned may freely withdraw consent at any time.

Chapter VIII – Infringements of the provisions of the Convention

Article 23 – Infringement of the rights or principles

The Parties shall provide appropriate judicial protection to prevent or to put a stop to an unlawful infringement of the rights and principles set forth in this Convention at short notice.

Article 24 – Compensation for undue damage

The person who has suffered undue damage resulting from an intervention is entitled to fair compensation according to the conditions and procedures prescribed by law.

[tothestars]

why play their game? You dont have to visit anyone and debate your view with a leftbrainer.

Present as much info as you can to your wife.

[montag]

why play their game? You dont have to visit anyone and debate your view with a leftbrainer.


Thats correct, here in Australia you just file a contentious objection form with the health department which your GP must sign stating he has explained the dangers of not vaccinating to you. Your under no obligation to explain yourself, just say thanks but no thanks..

[tracker]

*By not having your baby immunised you are reducing the overall coverage required to keep others safe…



bullshit !

if all the others are imunised how on earth are they in danger ?

if this means that some one who has a desease can be incubating that desease which will mutate and there for place other kids in harms way

this means that having your kid imunised can place them at wrisk if they meet some one else who is with out imunisation .

what a no braining double backward think reason is that ?

fkem , they are the ones that make money on imunisations so it is in their interest to create situations where people keep needing these jabs .

the excuses they make like putting others at wrisk is exactly what they create .

by imunising all children , they create a dangerouse situation where some one else may be infected with out the jab , and there for placing your kid in danger , so this means that it is the jab that makes the danger .

I would say this .

wiegh up the pros and cons .

some deseases are worth getting a jab for

but ask them for the ingredience 1st

bet they dont !

I wonder why .

:rolleyes:

if they cant submit the ingredience you are not oblidged !

:cool: