Help on the kabbala

[mightyoak]

My nephew who is 21 and as mental health issues. Is deeply involved with the Kabbalist He as books galore and spends all his time locked away reading. As you can imagine this as become really really worring my sister.
He as started calling everyone demons and devils if they try suggesting anything different to his new found belief. I have tried to find infomation on the subject, and found some very interesting material for my sister to read. However i would like to know IF anyone can point me in the right direction regarding A visual DVD or any downloadable material that might help on the matter.

[dedicate]

Everybody has mental health issues. And those people may be acting like demons.-- attacking him for his pursuits, judging, etc..

but it is not really very good for a 21 year old to be studying much Kabbala. The Jews will say that one should not study Kabbala until 40 years old, and forbid otherwise. There are exceptions, I suppose, but,,

Why is he still living with his parents? What are his parents beliefs? Need more information.. Not about Kabbala or how to curb an inordinate interest... but about this specific situation.


Do not psychologist generally consider this a family problem? In other words, it's not just a problem with just one person,, but indicates a family disorder. Would those people even consider this possiblity? They are a big part of the problem, not just their son? Then there is the Al-Anon approach.

Then, maybe this child is the exception. Maybe he should be studying Kabbala,, and everyone should just lay off. Who knows?

If you are asking "What is Kabbala".. well.. that not a 2 hr. seminar, or even a weekend retreat. Basically it is Hebrew Mysticism. A good book would be KABBALAH KEY TO YOUR HIDDEN POWER by Elizabeth Claire Prophet.

[uncia]

My nephew who is 21 and as mental health issues. Is deeply involved with the Kabbalist He as books galore and spends all his time locked away reading. As you can imagine this as become really really worring my sister.
He as started calling everyone demons and devils if they try suggesting anything different to his new found belief. I have tried to find infomation on the subject, and found some very interesting material for my sister to read. However i would like to know IF anyone can point me in the right direction regarding A visual DVD or any downloadable material that might help on the matter.
There is a lot of info on this site e.g. here. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60278) As you can see, it is essentially evil, being gnostic rubbish of no use to anyone. I would, one day when he is out, take all his books and burn them. Or tell him to get out of the house and live his own life.

[manxboz]

There is a lot of info on this site e.g. here. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60278) As you can see, it is essentially evil, being gnostic rubbish of no use to anyone. I would, one day when he is out, take all his books and burn them. Or tell him to get out of the house and live his own life.

This person needs help, by destorying it, you'll only make him beleive stronger.

[uncia]

This person needs help, by destorying it, you'll only make him beleive stronger.
You can't believe in that rubbish. It's pure gnosticism. It is against all true belief. It is antithetical to true religion.

[danceswithbunnies]

My nephew who is 21 and as mental health issues. Is deeply involved with the Kabbalist He as books galore and spends all his time locked away reading. As you can imagine this as become really really worring my sister.

He as started calling everyone demons and devils if they try suggesting anything different to his new found belief. I have tried to find infomation on the subject, and found some very interesting material for my sister to read. However i would like to know IF anyone can point me in the right direction regarding A visual DVD or any downloadable material that might help on the matter.

That would worry me too..when you use your mind incorrectly you can do it with any subject, whether the studies are occult in nature, the study of history,botany, or astronomy...any subject can be used incorrectly.

I don't know how you want to handle it...i would suggest so that you don't make him antagonistic towards you that you may want to handle it within the kabbalist framework he has adopted, that way you can be seen as an ally rather than another person trying to challenge him.


It sounds like he could be going through an obssesive stage..is he also prone to addictions? I ask because people can get obsessive/addictive about anything.

If this is the case,the thing that may really help here, is to try to redirect his interests into a healthier obsession, maybe yoga, gardening, etc to get him to stop fixating on the dark side of the imaginative aspects..

The other thing that comes to my mind, and i believe many of us go through this stage, is that when you start working with meditation etc, you can have repressed stuff coming up from your subconscious which you have to deal with.

These are things from the past. IF your awareness is not sufficiently developed yet, you can project this dark material unto other people.
You can become imbalanced...again physical activity would help to mitigate this, Nice long walks, gardening, some kind of body work...anything that keeps him grounded.
If this is the case,it might be a good idea, to take him to a real balanced Psychologist/Kabbalist for a good talk.(the guy who writes the book below, his wife Shoshanna is a practicing psychologist, maybe they could help)


A easy to understand book on the Kabbalah is
God Is a Verb, by Cooper.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1573226947?ie=UTF8&redirect=true

Rabbi David A. Cooper
http://www.rabbidavidcooper.com/

HERE ARE SOME BOOKS ONLINE TO DOWNLOAD:
(ceremonial magician milo duquette)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7040408/duquette-chicken-qabalah
(jewish kabbalist)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13593631/The-Path-of-Kabbalah-Michael-Laitman

[manxboz]

You can't believe in that rubbish. It's pure gnosticism. It is against all true belief. It is antithetical to true religion.

Well obvisily he does beleive it. You try to take it away from him suddenly it'll only make him beleive his faith is right.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

My nephew who is 21 and as mental health issues. Is deeply involved with the Kabbalist He as books galore and spends all his time locked away reading. As you can imagine this as become really really worring my sister.
He as started calling everyone demons and devils if they try suggesting anything different to his new found belief. I have tried to find infomation on the subject, and found some very interesting material for my sister to read. However i would like to know IF anyone can point me in the right direction regarding A visual DVD or any downloadable material that might help on the matter.


Howdy Mightyoak:

I hear ya.

The problem is; as I perceive it: The Kabbalah has become a Trend Item; like Tattoos, Piercings, Baseball Caps worn at raffish angles.

Kids just want to be: EXCLAMATION POINTS!!! :eek:

The music, the art....Trendy, oft times Zomboid Trendoids.


Walmart was selling 'Kabbalah Strings! lol a piece of red yarn they charged ten dollars for!! probably cost a 1/10th of a cent to manufacture in a chinese factory.


Kabbalah water!! lol

There is a True Kabbalah, but it is not what is being offered by these hucksters.

There is a sage warning to study Torah for more than twenty years before beginning Kabbalah study.

There are very important reasons for this.

The Kabbalah the Zombie Trendoids are indulging in is Babylonish Syncretism.

Leads to problems. britney spears and madonna are a coupla examples of Trendoid Zombies.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1001140&postcount=656

http://www.mashiyach.com/kabbalah.htm

The decades of Torah Study would equip the student with a robust moral character that would not manifest in the manner your relative is acting out.

Unscrupulous Teaches and an unforewarned student.

He requires more substantial grounding in this area.

Inform him there are Prerequisites he has neglected.

Several Decades of Torah Study and Practice.

[danceswithbunnies]

Walmart was selling 'Kabbalah Strings! lol a piece of red yarn they charged ten dollars for!! probably cost a 1/10th of a cent to manufacture in a chinese factory.


Kabbalah water!! lol

There is a True Kabbalah, but it is not what is being offered by these hucksters.

There is a sage warning to study Torah for more than twenty years before beginning Kabbalah study.

There are very important reasons for this.

The Kabbalah the Zombie Trendoids are indulging in is Babylonish Syncretism.

Leads to problems. britney spears and madonna are a coupla examples of Trendoid Zombies.

OMG you're kidding, at Walmart?
I thought that guy went out of business?
I know that there have been plenty of real Rabbis who don't like that fellow from the Kabbalah Center because he is a huckster.



The decades of Torah Study would equip the student with a robust moral character that would not manifest in the manner your relative is acting out.

Unscrupulous Teaches and an unforewarned student.

He requires more substantial grounding in this area.

Inform him there are Prerequisites he has neglected.

Several Decades of Torah Study and Practice.

this is another reason that Jewish Rabbis are getting upset...and i think they may have cause.
The world has become a spiritual marketplace where spiritual trends are created by co-opting them from the few remaining indigenous people (like the rain forest Indians or some native Americans) or appropriated from the mystical schools of other religions Like Sufi..an given a new age spin.

It is true they have done the same with the Kabbalah, which no one under 40 was suppossed to be able to access. ..they also had to be steady and have a high moral character.

[kasalt]

There is a plethora of news articles on the Kabbalah Center at this link:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/kabbalah.html

Here's a quote from one of the articles (http://www.rickross.com/reference/kabbalah/kabbalah14.html) that you might find relevant:Los Angeles rabbi Bentzion Kravitz, executive director of Jews for Judaism, questions the religious integrity of the center's teachings and fears for those who connect with it during hard times. Kravitz counseled a young Russian woman active at the LA center, who had recently miscarried and was severely depressed. Her teachers at the center, she told the rabbi, said her problem was demonic possession. If she bought the Zohar, a 13th-century book that contains the tenets of Kabbalah, and scanned the letters with her fingers (it didn't matter that she couldn't read Hebrew), only then, she was told, could she unleash the power of the text and be relieved of her suffering. "She came to me feeling manipulated and taken advantage of," Kravitz recalls. "She had spent thousands of dollars on books, and the pain had not gone away. I told her to return the books and put it out of her life because, really, they were making her crazy."

Soon after, on a Friday afternoon before Shabbat, Kravitz and his son were using the Beverly Hills mikvah, a Jewish ritual bath, when, he says, they were surrounded by several people who identified themselves as members of the Kabbalah Learning Centre. They screamed at Kravitz, saying that he was evil for advising the woman to sever her ties with them. "At that point, one of them spit on me-literally and physically spit on me," Kravitz marvels. "I was really scared. I feared for my life." Debbie Pine, director of LA's now closed Maynard Bernstein Resource Center on Cults, says that since 1997 she has received more than 20 complaints about the center. But is the Kabbalah Learning Centre a cult? "Look, no one wants to keep files on groups, particularly Jewish groups," Pine says. "But it's wrong not to recognize that something hurtful is going on, that people are being manipulated, families are breaking up and money is being spent."

[mightyoak]

Thanks folks for all your comments n concerns regarding my original post.

I have not gone bull at a gate with him, because off other issues which effect his life. He as spent time in mental health facilities and is currently out and living under supervision off the authorities. in sheltered housing. They are aware off the situation.
I've advised him to take a closer look at what those who have an alternative point off view. And to question things a bit more. I advised my sister to do the same. To offer him plenty off love and talk without pressuring him to much. This bullshite is probably the last thing he needs on his road o living a normalish life (whateva that is eh ? )



Since researching this cult myself, i have become very aware off the demonistic brainwashing that other kabbalists are indoctrinating him with. They seem to seek out the vulnerable souls off society.

[marpat]

My nephew who is 21 and as mental health issues. Is deeply involved with the Kabbalist He as books galore and spends all his time locked away reading. As you can imagine this as become really really worring my sister.
He as started calling everyone demons and devils if they try suggesting anything different to his new found belief. I have tried to find infomation on the subject, and found some very interesting material for my sister to read. However i would like to know IF anyone can point me in the right direction regarding A visual DVD or any downloadable material that might help on the matter.

I doubt calling people demons is due to him studying kabbalah. I think the real issue is that he has filled his head with magical knowledge and because of his illness uses those ideas to project onto other people, seeing them as evil. Such people would react the same no matter what subject they read, even Icke fans act like that.

To be honest he seems to have the attitude of some of these born again christians. Some of them are very much like that.

[marpat]

There is a lot of info on this site e.g. here. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60278) As you can see, it is essentially evil, being gnostic rubbish of no use to anyone. I would, one day when he is out, take all his books and burn them. Or tell him to get out of the house and live his own life.

Wrong. If it was no use then how do people find it useful?

[epic fail guy]

You want help on how to summon demons?