The christians DO get some things right

[danceswithbunnies]

I was listening to the Brother Michael Dimond on coast to coast last night...and unlike most of the people i know, i DO believe that the UFOs are evil.

He was addressing this, i do not agree with everything he said but that is okay.
This preoccupation that these aliens have with sex and anal probes is highly odd.

Okay so anyway, i was trying to find out more info on Michael Dimond and ran across and interview on the End Times..

I am taking down the link i posted because it is catholic propaganda and can be used to imperil people's souls by worshipping the God of the Bible.

Just run a google on brother dimond with the key word "end times, if you are interested.

Here is a link to youtubes of the C2C interview...part one, you can look at the other parts for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQidL9iZiE8

I will say that this fellow has put together a book (which you can read the first 23 pages online) consisting of some quotes by very serious UFO researchers that is DYNAMITE..it is very good.

HOWEVER, I think this may be a case of what Mr. Icke calls Opposames.

The christians claim to be fighting evil and satan, and they get attacked by "demons" to prove they are on "God's side"...but it is interesting how this "God" seems to enjoy and encourage their suffering and does very little in the way of actually helping them.

I have often wondered WHY it is that "angels" seem to appear before tragic situations occur, prophesying to the faithful impending personal harm that these angels do not mitigate.

Maybe this "God" of theirs is a massive thoughtform that literally sucks souls into it, keeping people from the actual Creator of spirits....that most likely did not make this prison universe...maybe all the energy you feed this thing, not only depletes your energy, but means you will lose your soul when you die and only the stripped naked spark of awareness of the spirit itself gets recycled to grow a new soul..

Keep the sparks imprisoned, use them to grow new souls, then harvest the energy.


Unless a corn of wheat falls to the ground and dies...says the "Good Shepherd".

What do shepherd DO to sheep?

[danceswithbunnies]

Here is a link to Brother Dimond's UFO Book Sample:
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/UFObooksample.pdf

It features the smell of sulfur and reptillian features of the aliens in these UFO encounters..i have no problem believing that these "aliens" from ufos are demonic.
These things are pre-occupied with sex as well.

I recall back in 2000 i awoke to find myself being beaten and raped by a hooded being with no face, i have never been so angry in my life, and overcame the paralysis through sheer rage was spontaneously out of body, chased the thing out into the hallway, grabbed it by the arm and commanded it to go into the earth in Christ's name...and it did.
(Christ not quite the same as Jesus in this case)
Note: this also could be a reflection of my experience in being grabbed and beaten unconscious by a drunk body builder while i was in graduate school.

Later when i came back into the body i was scared..i also had the experience with the spider thing that David Icke mentions somewhere..it came off my face and went to the opposite wall writhing there for a good 2 minutes while i was full awake. I still don't know what the hell it was...(interestingly, i found David Icke about 2004, after i saw an interview about him on tv ..)



So i have no problem believing these things are demonic...my problem is that i also think that the "angels" and "God of the Bible" may actually be on the same team as these demonic entities that harass people

Okay?

Here is a gnostic article that aligns with what i think may be going on:
But i think the "spark" is the spirit, and the soul is the food of the archons (demons,reptillians whatever you wanna call them)

But i also think it is possible like John Lash from Metahistory.rg says, that they mainly manipulate you THROUGH YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM..
http://www.gnostic.info/outofbody.html

Following excerpted from an excellent article by Jim DeKorne

I have emphasized the distinction between gnosis and belief because it is essential for evaluating Monroe’s out-of-body corroboration of the Gnostic world view. The most striking thing one discovers about Gnostic cosmology is its singularly dark view of human experience. For the Gnostic, the world was created, not by a benevolent Supreme Being, but by a tyrannical demiurge: a demonic entity whose main goal is to keep humans trapped in matter:

We must remember that the role of the demiurge is not exhausted in his feat of creation, but that, through his “Law” as well as through cosmic Fate, he exercises a despotic world rule aimed mainly at enslaving man. [5.]

What is the purpose of such enslavement? Why would “God” and his agents, called by the Gnostics “Archons” (Gk.: “Rulers”), want to imprison the human soul in matter? Their answer to this question (presumably obtained via revelations such as out-of-body observation), is that human beings generate a form of energy which the gods need for food.

What then is the interest of the Archons in opposing the exodus of the soul from the world? The gnostic answer is thus recounted by Epiphanius: “They say that the soul is the food of the Archons and Powers without which they cannot live, because (the soul) is of the dew from above and gives them strength.” [6.]

This idea is also found in the Vedic tradition of India, where it is explicitly stated in the Upanishads that the “Devas” (gods) feed off of human energy:

[Man] is like a beast for the Devas. For verily, as many beasts nourish a man, thus does every man nourish the Devas. If only one beast is taken away, it is not pleasant; how much more when many are taken! Therefore it is not pleasant to the Devas that men should know this. [7.]

In contemporary terms, spiritual intelligences (“gods”) preside over life on earth in much the way that we maintain cattle feed-lots or cultivate broiler chickens on factory farms. Essentially, they’re “soul-eaters.” It’s a heretical and shocking idea – diametrically opposed to the reality promulgated by our World Monotheisms. (Which is one of many reasons why the Gnostics didn’t last long: by the fourth century C.E. the “Archons” of the Christian Church had effectively persecuted all organised Gnostic sects into extinction!)
{comment: what does the term "GOOD SHEPHERD" REALLY MEAN?
OTHER RESEARCHERS LIKE ELDON TAYLOR HAVE NOTED THAT OUR BRAINS ARE HARD WIRED TO BELIEVE IN "A GOD", so what precisely does that mean?}
Robert Monroe gets a first inkling of this “Different Overview” in Journeys Out of The Body when he describes a sequence of events which took place in 1960 – about two years after he began having regular out-of-body experiences. In the first event, he experienced an energy probe that entered his forehead (third-eye chakra?) and began exploring his mind for something he couldn’t comprehend:

It had intelligence of a form beyond my comprehension, and it came directly (down the beam?) into my head, and seemed to be searching every memory in my mind. I was truly frightened because I was powerless to do anything about this intrusion. [8.]

About a week later, the same thing occurred again, only this time he became aware that the “something” that the entities were searching for was related to some form of energy within his psyche:

I got the impression of huge pipes, so ancient they were covered with undergrowth and rust. Something like oil was passing through them, but it was much higher in energy than oil, and vitally needed and valuable elsewhere (assumption: not on this material planet). This has been going on for aeons of time, and there were other force groups here, taking out the same material on some highly competitive basis, and the material was convertible at some distant point or civilization for something very valuable to entities far above my ability to understand. [9.]

This high-energy substance, “something like oil,” of course relates directly to the gnostic conception of “dew” extracted from the human soul, quoted above. About two weeks later, the entities again invade Monroe’s psyche. After they’ve finished their mind probe and leave his body, he describes it thus:

Then they seemed to soar up into the sky, while I called after them, pleading. Then I was sure that their mentality and intelligence were far beyond my understanding. It is an impersonal, cold intelligence, with none of the emotions of love or compassion which we respect so much, yet this may be the omnipotence we call God. Visits such as these in mankind’s past could well have been the basis for all of our religious beliefs, and our knowledge today could provide no better answers than we could a thousand years past.

By this time, it was getting light, and I sat down and cried, great deep sobs as I have never cried before, because I knew without any qualification or future hope of change that the God of my childhood, of the churches, of religion throughout the world was not as we worshipped him to be – that for the rest of my life, I would ‘suffer’ the loss of this illusion. [10.]

This, if nothing else, is a Gnostic initiation – undoubtedly similar to thousands that have occurred to isolated individuals throughout human history. But we don’t read of Monroe’s complete discovery until Far Journeys – that’s where the full force of the ancient Gnostic world view emerges in chilling detail...

See article for page two..
http://www.gnostic.info/outofbody2.html

he tells you what the "gold" these annunaki/aliens/demons/angels/reptillians really is all about.

This ties it nicely together...religion/metaphysics/reptillians/aliens/ancient history

And here is a link to John Lash's Metahistory site..

http://www.metahistory.org/

[danceswithbunnies]

I highly reccomend reading the second part of that article above..

More interesting info from my incredibley diverse and wide journeys..

I have this book called
The Soul After Death: Contemporary "After-Death" Experiences in the Light of the Orthodox Teaching on the Afterlife - Father Seraphim Rose

http://www.amazon.com/Soul-After-Death-Contemporary-After-Death/dp/093863514X

This is an Eastern Orthodox Father
http://www.easterndiocese.org/images/souladth.jpg

This is the church that believes in THEOSIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis

One of the things that the Eastern orthodox used to believe in was something called the AFTER DEATH TOLL HOUSE COLLECTORS, OR AERIAL TOLL HOUSES,
they are DEMONS that test you as you are trying to go to "God"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_toll_house

Beliefs

The most detailed account of the aerial toll-houses is found in the hagiography of Saint Basil the New, found in the Lives of Saints, for 26 March (according to the Orthodox calendar), where Saint Theodora, spiritual student of Saint Basil, appeared to his another student, pious and holy laymen Gregory, who, with Basil, prayed to God to let him know what happened to Theodora after her death. The Lord answered their prayers, and Theodora appeared to Gregory, and told him, in great detail, about her journey through the toll-houses.[2]

According to this teaching, every person has demons that tempt them. These demons keep a record of every sin of thought or action they succeed in tempting a person to commit. Repented sins are erased from the demonic records.

On the third day after the soul separates from the body, it is carried by angels towards Heaven. On the way, souls must go past 20 aerial toll-houses. Each toll house is populated by demons devoted to particular sins. At each toll-house, demons demand that souls pay for their sins by giving an account of compensatory good deeds. If the soul is unable to pay for a sin, the demons take the soul to hell.

[edit] The toll houses

* On the first aerial toll-house, the soul is questioned about the sins of the tongue
* The second is the toll-house of lies
* The third is the toll-house of slander
* The fourth is the toll-house of gluttony
* The fifth is the toll-house of laziness
* The sixth toll-house is the toll-house of theft
* The seventh is the toll-house of covetousness
* The eight is the toll-house of usury
* The ninth is the toll-house of injustice
* The tenth is the toll-house of envy
* The eleventh is the toll-house of pride
* The twelve is the toll-house of anger
* The thirteenth is the toll-house of remembering evil
* The fourteenth is the toll-house of murder
* The fifteenth is the toll-house of magic
* The sixteenth is the toll-house of lust
* The seventeenth is the toll-house of adultery
* The eighteenth is the toll-house of sodomy
* The nineteenth is the toll-house of heresy
* The twentieth toll-house is the toll-house of unmercifulness

[edit] Controversy

Many of the more liberal Christians in the Eastern Orthodox Church consider this teaching controversial, even false. They argue that it is a form of gnosticism, or neo-gnosticism, and claim that the teaching is opposed to the catechism and other Orthodox teachings.[3] Critics of the teaching, such as Rev. Dr. Michael Azkoul, argue that the teaching has only one main proponent, a Fr. Seraphim Rose, whose argument that the teaching precedes him in non-gnostic sources is questionable.[4]

The proponents of the teaching argue that the teaching appears in the Hagiographies (for example the Life of Saint Anthony the Great,[citation needed] written by Saint Athanasius the Great, the life of Saint Basil the New,[citation needed] and Saint Theodora),[citation needed] the Philokalia,[citation needed] the Ladder of Divine Ascent,[citation needed] and the Dogmatics of the Orthodox Church by Justin of Celie),[citation needed] that none of the writings of the Church Fathers expressed doubt about this teaching,[citation needed] and that the biggest modern authorities of the Orthodox Church (such as Saint Ignatius Brianchaninov[citation needed] and Saint Theophan the Recluse[citation needed]) insisted not only on the truthfulness, but on the necessity of this teaching in the spiritual life of a Christian. Some Church Fathers and Liturgical books of the Church speak about the toll-houses.[5] [6] The teaching has been present in the Church since at least the fourth century.[citation needed]


The Eastern Orthodox Church has been trying to do away with this teaching because it is very GNOSTIC...but it keeps resurfacing, perhaps because spiritual PURE adepts continue to experience these things...

http://www.new-ostrog.org/return_tollhouses.html

WHY am i rabbiting on and on about this?
Because it carries CLUES of what is really going on.
(as have personal experiences of my own)

Look at today's most popular NEW AGE GURUS...there is a kernal of truth to what they say, it is imperative that you question your own thoughts, and that you learn to transcend the mind.
But what else do they MIX IN with this particular truth?

They teach "EGO DEATH"...and we are not talking about "ego" merely as the conditioned part of yourself.

In Particular see Nouk and Sanchez's "Take Me to the Truth"

Check out Gary Renard's "Disappearance of the Universe"

Byron Katie's "Loving What Is"

And a host of other books that speak about TOTAL SURRENDER OF YOURSELF....to something.

Granted that a Course in Miracles (Nouk&Sanchez, Gary Renard) views the entire universe as humanity's unconscious mind, which could have some truth to it...

On the other end of the Spectrum in the Wicca departments, MOST OF WHICH ARE MODIFIED WRSHIP OF THE GENERATIVE FORCE..there is one area of witchcraft that does not, and is ecstatic in nature more like shamanism.

This is FERI Witchcraft that relies on the Nephilim, which are just our ancestors..
In their practices they have something that is called aligning of the Triple Soul.. when you go to align your "TRIPLE SOUL"..YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING CALLED "FEEDING THE DOVE", which is the "Amakau" or higher self, godself...but what is it really?

Practically every religion or new age topic sends up these red flags for me..
Wake up!

Worship nothing...grovel to nothing man or spirit.
You are feeding the forces that keep you imprisoned.

[mephibosheth]

Interesting concepts. Now I know I should grab that copy of Monroe's book off my shelf and actually read the thing.

Jesus is a psychic vampire!! :eek:

[danceswithbunnies]

Interesting concepts. Now I know I should grab that copy of Monroe's book off my shelf and actually read the thing.

Jesus is a psychic vampire!! :eek:

(i am getting back to this quickly because i am online doing research today)

Yes, I am thinking that the Jesus invented by the church may be a psychic siphon....and so are all the other 'gods', beliefs take enormous vitality and energy to maintain.

But i think as per the Gospel of Thomas, there were probably authentic sayings of the real life Jesus that predate the church's manufactured gospels..

These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas recorded.

1. And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

[metacomet]

Yes, I am thinking that the Jesus invented by the church may be a psychic siphon....

Yes, Jesus the idol.

Similar to the Buddha idol.

Both Jesus and Buddha told people not to idolize :rolleyes: Go figure.
They also said not to 'worship in public' (i.e. don't do rituals that feed this false reality! And if you 'worship' in your community to look like a good person you are feeding your ego and by default - 'Satan'.)

Good thread OP although I must admit we have covered all of this already! I am especially convinced that this physical world is not specifically of the highest creator but is one of many domains under the watch of higher beings. But then again, this is as well is not an original idea.

I especially agree with the points about going through 'trials' after death as well as the point that too many new age philosophies are about 'accepting what is'.

'Accepting what is' is another term for laying down your spiritual guard and offering yourself as a sacrifice. Most people have already done this and don't even know it.

[danceswithbunnies]

Yes, Jesus the idol.

Similar to the Buddha idol.

Both Jesus and Buddha told people not to idolize :rolleyes: Go figure.
They also said not to 'worship in public' (i.e. don't do rituals that feed this false reality! And if you 'worship' in your community to look like a good person you are feeding your ego and by default - 'Satan'.)

Good thread OP although I must admit we have covered all of this already! I am especially convinced that this physical world is not specifically of the highest creator but is one of many domains under the watch of higher beings. But then again, this is as well is not an original idea.

I especially agree with the points about going through 'trials' after death as well as the point that too many new age philosophies are about 'accepting what is'.

'Accepting what is' is another term for laying down your spiritual guard and offering yourself as a sacrifice. Most people have already done this and don't even know it.

Okay i will shut up about it after this then...even though my personal experience confirms this like leaving the universe during an NDE..
the eastern orthodox view that they say is a "minority view" from my understanding was widely taught in parts of Russia ..

I have read so much religion and NA material, in the last five years....and it just all started to click for me...i remember when Bronte Baxter had her blog i was sending her alot of this info too, but unlike her, i do not believe that all forms of meditation are dangerous..The reason i was keen on doing this particular thread is i was hoping that we could figure out a way to overcome this matrix.

Part of that is overcoming of those deeply held unconscious beliefs, which is one reason i was interested in the more serious versions of wicca, because they actually focus on changing these..
the point of ritual is to communicate with the subconscious and unconscious aspects of yourself.


Also, as i said, A Course in Miracles (ACIM) says that the entire Universe is the collective unconscious, which could actually be true, but i do not trust their material for other reasons,even though Richard Smoley HIGHLY recommends it in his book "Inner Christianity"
(he also recommends Tomberg's "Meditations on the Tarot", and Mouravieff's "Gnosis", both of which i have)

And of Course the YCYOR "channeled" stuff where you offer up emotions to "manifest" what you want, is most likely just sacrificing loosh...

The times i have had manifestation work, no emotions were involved, but detachment.

Okay for everyone out there, if you have laid down your spiritual guard how do you put it back up again?

And...
For several years i have been looking for ways to overcome those subconscious and unconscious beliefs.


Any insight you have in this direction would be appreciated.