The Bible Code

[cruise4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3kvSG7TTtg&feature=PlayList&p=7A3E586498A4D4C2&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0StDqskJn4

You will have to go to YouTube for the rest of the second one. Fix the forum!

[miracles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3kvSG7TTtg&feature=PlayList&p=7A3E586498A4D4C2&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0StDqskJn4

You will have to go to YouTube for the rest of the second one. Fix the forum!

Drunvalo Meclhizideck (stolen last name Im sure) is a new age whack job. (no offense) Im reading his book Serpent Light at the moment. He is a luciferian shaman. Im suprised he is even reading the bible, in fact I would say he's never read it.

[lozz]

I've read both of Michael Drosins books on this and i do "feel" that the bible code is a huge discovery, but dont believe everything you hear/read.

PUBLIC STATEMENT BY DR. ELIYAHU RIPS
Professor of Mathematics Hebrew University Jerusalem, Israel

I have seen Michael Drosnin’s book "The Bible Code".

1) There is indeed serious scientific research being conducted with regard to the Bible Codes.

2) While I did meet and talk to Mr. Drosnin, I did not do joint work with him.

3) I do not support Mr. Drosnin's work on the Codes, nor the conclusions he derives.

4) There is an impression that I was involved in finding the code relating to Prime Minister Rabin's assassination. This is not true.

5) However, I did witness, in 1994, Mr. Drosnin find the tableaux about Prime Minister Rabin, which now appears on the cover of his book.

6) For me, it was a catalyst to ask whether we can, from a scientific point of view, attempt to use the Codes to predict future events. After much thought, my categorical answer is no. All attempts to extract messages from Torah codes, or to make predictions based on them, are futile and are of no value. This is not only my own opinion, but the opinion of every scientist who has been involved in serious Codes research.

7) The only conclusion that can be drawn from the scientific research regarding the Torah codes is that they exist and that they are not a mere coincidence

8) Mr. Drosnin's book fails to point out that the leading figure in Codes research is Doron Witztum. Therefore, I think it is appropriate that Mr. Witztum should make a statement about the research and answer any questions.
Professor Eliyahu Rips

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Articles_V/Torah_Extracts.htm

[cruise4]

I thought the idea of future hebrew's being in some terrible place, and time travelled back to give Moses 'whatever' very interesting. I haven't checked these 'Will you change this?' thing yet but if it's there, it's mind blowing and 'could' make a totally different interpretation of what we see going on. Then there's the idea that the first tablets broke and had to be redone. How close to WW3 was Kosovo? Wonder if it fits with Dan Burisch timeline? Could all be bullshit of course, but still interesting.

Drunvalo Melkizedek may be a new age whatever, but it's good stuff on Sacred Geometry.

[element]

Drunvalo Meclhizideck (stolen last name Im sure) is a new age whack job. (no offense) Im reading his book Serpent Light at the moment. He is a luciferian shaman. Im suprised he is even reading the bible, in fact I would say he's never read it.
What's a luciferian shaman?

[miracles]

What's a luciferian shaman?

Not sure it just sounds good when you put those two words together. His book is called The serpents light = luciferian, and he is into all sorts of other hokus pokus = shaman. He goes around the world meeting up with the aboriginal man and gets involved in all sorts of thier spirtual and cultural rain dance carry on. He thinks the worlds shamans will unite in a peacful dream state in 2012 etc etc need I say more. In away it's harmless drivle, but too many people are buying this crap.

PS he also belives that reality is a dream state and what we see is actually what is inside of us, and not the other way around.

[danceswithbunnies]

I can find the same "mysterious" codes in War and Peace..or any novel oif sufficiently large length..

IMNSHO, the BIBLE CODE is a good demonstration getting what you are looking for.

much like the Bible prophecies themselves, finding the prediction of the event or writing the prediction of the event, after the fact.

[element]

Not sure it just sounds good when you put those two words together. His book is called The serpents light = luciferian, and he is into all sorts of other hokus pokus = shaman. He goes around the world meeting up with the aboriginal man and gets involved in all sorts of thier spirtual and cultural rain dance carry on. He thinks the worlds shamans will unite in a peacful dream state in 2012 etc etc need I say more. In away it's harmless drivle, but too many people are buying this crap.

PS he also belives that reality is a dream state and what we see is actually what is inside of us, and not the other way around.
Interesting.
You know that your last part is quite true. Whatever we focus on, is part of us. It is no wonder the extremist materialists are attracted to religious zealots. Different agenda, same in brutality and energy. Another thing, our spiritual experiences can also reflect our beliefs and feelings.

[tejas]

I believe that there is a bible code, but it has NOTHING to do with Evangelical christianity or Orthodox judaism, I think it has more to do with Kabbalah, or mysticism, which makes the most sense.

I always find that the hebrew mystic name of god is very special

YHWH = Who am I?

EDIT: also Drunvalo is REALLY wacky, I mean this is a david ICke forumn, but even this is way too out there.

[miracles]

Interesting.
You know that your last part is quite true. Whatever we focus on, is part of us. It is no wonder the extremist materialists are attracted to religious zealots. Different agenda, same in brutality and energy. Another thing, our spiritual experiences can also reflect our beliefs and feelings.

Yes I know what you mean, but he states that whats going on in the exterior world is actually all happening in the interior, not a reflection of the interior.

You say this is true? I dont know about you but I believe we inhabit the earth, the earth does not inhabit us.

[danceswithbunnies]

Yes I know what you mean, but he states that whats going on in the exterior world is actually all happening in the interior, not a reflection of the interior.

Okay i may not be misunderstanding this point...
But the mind itself IS reflective,
Both perception and contemplation...that is, isn't all thought reflective?

Mind reflects awareness, which is that which never changes.
We do not DIRECTLY experience things it is filtered through our minds.
The only thing not filtered through our mind is naked awareness.

That said, many of the clergy who have gone into psychology.. claim that the danger of the occult is precisely that it brings up unconscious material (from the interior of the mind) which the "demonic" used to attack and gain access to the conscious mind...and thus started projecting that energy outward..

[miracles]

Okay i may not be misunderstanding this point...
But the mind itself IS reflective,
Both perception and contemplation...that is, isn't all thought reflective?

Mind reflects awareness, which is that which never changes.
We do not DIRECTLY experience things it is filtered through our minds.
The only thing not filtered through our mind is naked awareness.

That said, many of the clergy who have gone into psychology.. claim that the danger of the occult is precisely that it brings up unconscious material (from the interior of the mind) which the "demonic" used to attack and gain access to the conscious mind...and thus started projecting that energy outward..

We in habit earth. Not the other way around. This melchizidek bloke seems to imply that its the other way around.

[strengthofknowledge]

Bible Code was some strange stuff... i believe the bible is here to warn us of things and show us how to live, but is slowly being destroyed.. i mean for example the mark of the beast and the RFID chip go hand in hand...ive yet to find another ancient text to predict something THAT specific and THAT long ago... the codes were very precise too though..

[kasalt]

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/biblecodepage1.htm

Biblical scholar Michael Heiser has written a book that raises serious questions about the so-called "Bible code".

The every-letter sequence required for the Bible code to be real is a demonstrable myth. The historical transmission of the Hebrew text of the Torah, scribal mistakes in manuscripts, and the actual commentary on the manuscript transmission process by the scribes themselves ALL unequivocally testify that the preservation of the every-letter sequence of Hebrew letters is uncertain.

One Bible code supporter, Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, psychiatrist and author of Cracking the Bible Code, has claimed that if 77 letters were lost from the text sequence upon which the Bible code is based, the code would statistically collapse. The Bible Code Myth DOUBLES this number through actual examples from manuscript disagreements and notes of the scribes themselves - all exclusively drawn from the Torah. You don't need to know how to read Hebrew either - just how to count!

Another problem for the Bible code are the Dead Sea Scrolls. These texts, which are our closest textual witnesses to the actual composition of the Hebrew Old Testament, have a markedly different way of spelling. In just a few verses there might therefore be dozens of letter differences. The significance of this is illustrated in two ways. First, we have no way of knowing WHICH text to use for a coded letter string. Bible code proponents like Grant Jeffrey can't seem to grasp this fact. Jeffrey claims to have found dozens of coded names associated with Jesus in Isaiah 52:13-53:12, the Old Testament prophecy of a suffering Messiah. While Mike Heiser agrees that Jesus is the Messiah, he rejects the idea that this information was hidden in a code in these verses. In just these fifteen verses, there are 115 letter differences between the text Jeffrey uses and the Dead Sea Isaiah Scroll - the text closest to Isaiah's own time.

Bible code researchers repeatedly refuse (as correct scientific method would require) to put forth which names and which spellings would constitute hits before checking the letter sequence. In other words, they refuse to first form a hypothesis for subsequent testing. The method of Bible code researchers is to look for meaningful words and phrases in an ELS sample, and afterward determine how such hits fit together. The results are therefore spectacularly un-miraculous. This is precisely one of the problems that led mathematicians almost universally to declare the original Witzum-Ripps experiment invalid (upon which Drosnin's book, The Bible Code, was based).

To Illustrate, if you flip a coin 1,000 times and record the sequence, the odds that you would get that particular sequence are 10300 to 1 - but this is no miracle - someone was just flipping a coin and writing the results down. Hence the astronomical numbers thrown about as "science" by Bible code researchers mean little. However, if you had predicted beforehand that the 1,000 coin flips would result in that particular sequence, that would be far beyond chance, and miraculous. But this is exactly what Bible code researchers do not do. Bible code practitioners do not tell us beforehand what they expect to find – which names, which places, etc. They just start looking for letter combinations after they've told the computer to set up a search string. What is needed is the old scientific method:(1) START WITH A HYPOTHESIS – the specific names and their exact spellings in a specific language or stage of the language.

(2) Eliminate the textual letter differences by choosing the most ancient, reliable text through textual criticism.

(3) Conduct your search / ELS sequencing.
To date, Bible code research has done NONE of these things. Bible code proponents need to start with a hypothesis and set up an experiment to weed out chance probability. There is too much wiggle room at every stage.

[kasalt]

The actual truth about the Bible codes was finally revealed by statistical analysis: they do not just exist in the Pentateuch; they are found everywhere. ELS codes are found with approximately equal frequency in the Book of Genesis, the Qur'an, Tolstoy's "War and Peace," or in any sufficiently long text written in any language...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/biblcode.htm