Numerical Fantasies of Ivan Panin

[danceswithbunnies]

First off for the sheer fun of it here is a gematriculator which will calculate the "evil" or "goodness" of any text (or website) based on the gematria developed by Ivan Panin
(apologies if anyone has already posted this)

http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/

Have a blast..

According to the cluckulator:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

Is 28% evil and 72% good..whatever that means

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Okay so here is "irrefutable proof"
that edgar allen poe was channeling the same "god" that Ivan Panin claims wrote the bible:
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/poe.html

(this is from an australian mathematicians website
"In Search of Mathematical Miracles" he must have read Ouspensky or something eh?)

Miracles in Edgar Allan Poe
The following example is an expansion of one first presented on USENET by Charles Culver of Computers for Christ.

For this example, we will use numerical values for English letters assigned using the same pattern as used for Arabic, Greek and Hebrew.

A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=10 K=20 L=30 M=40 N=50 O=60 P=70 Q=80 R=90
S=100 T=200 U=300 V=400 W=500 X=600 Y=700 Z=800

We will analyse the famous first line of Poe's classic poem "The Raven":

Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary

* There are 7x7 letters.
* The first and last words sum to 202x7, of which the first letters contribute 80x7.
* The consonants in words starting with a consonant sum to 537x7.
* The consonants in words ending with a consonant sum to 485x7, of which 192x7 comes from the odd length words and 293x7 from the even length words.
* The consonants in words 2,4,6,8,10 sum to 177x7.
* There are 7 words ending with consonants.
* There are 3x7 consonants in words of even length.
* Considering words 1,3,5,7,9,11:
o There are 3x7 letters.
o The even (2,4,6..) letters in each word total 138x7.
o The last letters of each word total 205x7.
o The first and last letters of each word total 51x7x7.
* Considering the verb "pondered":
o The first letter has value 10x7.
o The vowels have total value 10x7.

In his original article, Charles wrote:

There are a number of other objections to Panin's methodology
as well, which time does not permit me to go into.

It appears that Charles is just as good at writing numerical text as Poe was.

* The sentence has 3x7 words and a total value of 143x7x7.
* The first word has value 44x7.
* Words ending in vowels have value 230x7.
* Words ending in consonants have value 708x7.
* The three pronouns total 40x7.
* The words which start with a vowel and end with a consonant total 3x7x7x7.
* Considering just words 2,4,6,8,...,20:
o There are 6x7 letters.
o The 3x7 letters in odd position in the sentence total 53x7x7.
o The 3x7 letters in odd position in a word total 54x7x7.
o The first letters total 163x7.
o The consonants total 408x7.
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Here is how Ivan Panin doctored his texts to get them to say what he wanted:
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin_mark.html

Comparing texts used by another bible heptadic numerics claimant (mccormick)
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/mccormack.html

Conclusions here:
"In order to produce these patterns, they modified the text using the many variant readings that appear in old manuscripts. In addition to this deliberate cooking of the data, they presented some of the vast number of features of 7 that appear in any text by pure chance. "
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Mathematical "miracles"
In the Thirukkural

http://www.geocities.com/nvkashraf/mm/mm-cont.htm
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Looks like you can find whatever "proof" you are looking for especially if you are willing to cherry pick and modify the text to suit your agenda..

[uncia]

According to the cluckulator:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

Is 28% evil and 72% good..whatever that means


Must be a load of crap then.

[dedicate]

Hi, dances with bunnies. The title of your thread really made my day. Now Religion without humor would be a mistake.-- so you are half way there and don't know it. But please try to find a little faith and appreciation for all of God's creation, even when it is not so easy to do so. And I will do the same. OK?

I would like to point out that at least one in your list of comparisons to a Poe stanza is apparently incorrect. Now if that one is incorrect, how many others are? I'm not going to do the math, did you?

Now.. The First word of the Torah has 7 letters. The First Line (sentence) has 7 words. And the #of letters are a multiple of 7. That's what I remember, but it is something.


Thing is -- the examples given by you, even if true, don't really amount to much. The beuti of the example I gave -- on the Torah -- is not seen in your examples! ie.. Torah shows.. 777, 1st 7 All 7 Alllll 7! seeeeee? the beauti? What you're pointing out with your (but they are not even YOURS!) counter examples is similar to saying -- "See! I'm Jackson Pollack! I can throw paint on a canvas!" True enough, but it's not going to sell. Not to someone who can see the beauti in the real thing, anyway.

Anyway, nice to have a chuckle now and again. Take it easy, I'm sure you have no problem with that.

[danceswithbunnies]

Hi, dances with bunnies. The title of your thread really made my day. Now Religion without humor would be a mistake.-- so you are half way there and don't know it. But please try to find a little faith and appreciation for all of God's creation, even when it is not so easy to do so. And I will do the same. OK?

I would like to point out that at least one in your list of comparisons to a Poe stanza is apparently incorrect. Now if that one is incorrect, how many others are? I'm not going to do the math, did you?

Now.. The First word of the Torah has 7 letters. The First Line (sentence) has 7 words. And the #of letters are a multiple of 7. That's what I remember, but it is something.


Thing is -- the examples given by you, even if true, don't really amount to much. The beuti of the example I gave -- on the Torah -- is not seen in your examples! ie.. Torah shows.. 777, 1st 7 All 7 Alllll 7! seeeeee? the beauti? What you're pointing out with your (but they are not even YOURS!) counter examples is similar to saying -- "See! I'm Jackson Pollack! I can throw paint on a canvas!" True enough, but it's not going to sell. Not to someone who can see the beauti in the real thing, anyway.

Anyway, nice to have a chuckle now and again. Take it easy, I'm sure you have no problem with that.


It wasn't my example..i said in my post that i was getting it from the webpage of an australian mathematician.

I personally find much of what goes on in society hysterically funny.
As it is, Faith is the opposite of gnosis and i would rather know than have faith.


edited to add:
I hope you forgive me if i appear brusque , i deeply dislike bible numerics material, i find it deeply offensive, especially when it is presented as "irrefutable proof"..perhaps i need to sit down and look at my conditioning and figure out which buttons that is pushing.

[miracles]

I knew it wouldnt take long for some to to download something from a website trying to debunk Panin (actually it tooklonger than I thought). If you think a rant on a one page website is going to debuk 40 years of work built upon 28 years of the work of others, as a mathmatitician working in medulla oblongata 2, you'll know its not going to fly.

Forgive them Ivan, they know not what they do:D

Gotcha now, A mathmatical gnostic. That really makes me laugh. The probabilty of you making any sense then is 0 to the power of 7. Ask your gnosis to reavel where the force is being inteferred with, yes good idea.

According to my gnoisis, your reall name is danceswithbollocks

[danceswithbunnies]

I knew it wouldnt take long for some to to download something from a website trying to debunk Panin (actually it tooklonger than I thought). If you think a rant on a one page website is going to debuk 40 years of work built upon 28 years of the work of others, as a mathmatitician working in medulla oblongata 2, you'll know its not going to fly.

Forgive them Ivan, they know not what they do:D

Gotcha now, A mathmatical gnostic. That really makes me laugh. The probabilty of you making any sense then is 0 to the power of 7. Ask the your gnosis to reavel where the force is being inteferred with, yes good idea.

According to my gnoisis, your reall name is danceswithbollocks

ad hominem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Special pleading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading




Clue up:
In a real academic situation when someone insults a person, the person insulted automatically wins the argument.
I understand that you might believe that insulting me means that you win, but for people that judge by rational criteria, you just lost the argument.

way to win hearts and minds eh miracles?

By belittling me and the mathematician that wrote those articles, you may make yourself feel better temporarily, but you are definitely hurting the cause of Christ because you cannot control your ego.

[miracles]

ad hominem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Special pleading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading




Clue up:
In a real academic situation when someone insults a person, the person insulted automatically wins the argument.
I understand that you might believe that insulting me means that you win, but for people that judge by rational criteria, you just lost the argument.

way to win hearts and minds eh miracles?

By belittling me and the mathematician that wrote those articles, you may make yourself feel better temporarily, but you are definitely hurting the cause of Christ because you cannot control your ego.

Im not an intelectual (which Im sure you have figured out). Nor am I trying to win arguements that have already been won. Cheers. Have a nice day.:) But cutting and pasting stuff from the internet doesn't win arguements either mate. Lol, your every thread to me has been nothing but ad hominem, then in your little temper tantrum you went and posted it as a thread topic. Do me a favour! Im special pleading with a pretty please with a cherry on top.

[deadskinball]

Im not an intelectual

I think hell just froze over.





note: I don't not acknowledge this place called "hell" for it is a figment of religion-types imagination and thus used as a control mechanism to keep stupid people in fear, thus, in line.

[danceswithbunnies]

I think hell just froze over.





note: I don't not acknowledge this place called "hell" for it is a figment of religion-types imagination and thus used as a control mechanism to keep stupid people in fear, thus, in line.


Yeah..i think hell just did freeze over.

Husband is taking me to see Adyashanti...and i am so grokking it i have no time for thid stuff.

[danceswithbunnies]

Im not an intelectual (which Im sure you have figured out). Nor am I trying to win arguements that have already been won.
The arguments are not won on Ivan Panin's side by a long shot.
Annoying people who actually can do mathematics with mathematical nonsense, SHOULD be a criminal offence.

It is not enough that they actually tax people like that with the Lottery.
We actually have comedic books about people like Panin put out by the Cambridge Press..everyone in math circles knows about it... at least everyone who gets the AMA journals...pretty close to everyone.

Cheers. Have a nice day.:) But cutting and pasting stuff from the internet doesn't win arguements either mate. Lol, your every thread to me has been nothing but ad hominem, then in your little temper tantrum you went and posted it as a thread topic. Do me a favour! Im special pleading with a pretty please with a cherry on top.


Temper tantrum?
Excuse you?
You have been egocetrically going on and on about how you have "irrefutable proof" with Ivan Panin, which is highly offensive to people with any kind of mathematical knowledge.

I posted this thread to call you on it, because it is offensive to mathematicians and you are browbeating people with it.
Knock it off.

The truth is that your personal experience and how you act with pother peope tellme if you actually know anything worth knowing.
Please get to know the real Christ...and stop this crap..okay?

[miracles]

The arguments are not won on Ivan Panin's side by a long shot.
Annoying people who actually can do mathematics with mathematical nonsense, SHOULD be a criminal offence.

It is not enough that they actually tax people like that with the Lottery.
We actually have comedic books about people like Panin put out by the Cambridge Press..everyone in math circles knows about it... at least everyone who gets the AMA journals...pretty close to everyone.




Temper tantrum?
Excuse you?
You have been egocetrically going on and on about how you have "irrefutable proof" with Ivan Panin, which is highly offensive to people with any kind of mathematical knowledge.

I posted this thread to call you on it, because it is offensive to mathematicians and you are browbeating people with it.
Knock it off.

The truth is that your personal experience and how you act with pother peope tellme if you actually know anything worth knowing.
Please get to know the real Christ...and stop this crap..okay?

Yes I know you'd like to have me dragged away and locked up in chains for being an annoyance. Aint gonna happen.

Everyone knows that the secular education system is run by the ruling elite/illuminati/satan. It comes as no surprise to me that the work of Panin is mocked to high heaven by the so called educated mathmatical elite. Thank you for that fasinating insite into the comedic mockery in the Cambride press.. That ones going straight to the pool room. The so called intelectual set mock all religion and perpuate the evolution lie to the offspring of mankind. You knock it off. You started this pathetic thread topic.

having said that, we dont need Panin to prove that the bible is the word of God.

By the way, have you even read Panins work? No! You jetted off looking for anything on the web that attempted to refute it and slapped it on a thread. Put a cork in it. Your out of line.

[measle_weasel]

"satan is great and his reign eternal, and when the prophecy of doom comes to pass, the christians will be rounded up like the mindless sheep they are, herded into the slaughterhouses, the acid pits, and the furnaces, eliminating the scourge of christendom once and for all. The satanic masses will then celebrate in their formerly oppressed pagan fashion, with lots of vodka, sodomy, and most dastardly of all, free thought, and peace on earth will endure until the end of time" = 9% evil, 91% good.

So much for "irrefutable proof" :rolleyes:

[element]

Well that's a joke of course, for anyone doubting it..:D

But funny though.., the Bible itself is 50% evil, 50% good. Sounds about balanced to me.

[danceswithbunnies]

Yes I know you'd like to have me dragged away and locked up in chains for being an annoyance. Aint gonna happen.

Everyone knows that the secular education system is run by the ruling elite/illuminati/satan. It comes as no surprise to me that the work of Panin is mocked to high heaven by the so called educated mathmatical elite. Thank you for that fasinating insite into the comedic mockery in the Cambride press.. That ones going straight to the pool room. The so called intelectual set mock all religion and perpuate the evolution lie to the offspring of mankind. You knock it off. You started this pathetic thread topic.

having said that, we dont need Panin to prove that the bible is the word of God.

By the way, have you even read Panins work? No! You jetted off looking for anything on the web that attempted to refute it and slapped it on a thread. Put a cork in it. Your out of line.

I looked at Panin's work realized almost immediately that it was nonsense, when you have done enough work in an area you can spot these kinds of things..."going to the pool room", so you must have seen "The Castle".
....slogging through that kind of nonsense has got to be some kind of punishment.

Locked up in chains...LOLOLOL
you do have an active fantasy life dontcha?

Sorry i bruised your widdle.

Mathematicians are alot of things but hardly elite, mostly we don't get invited to parties and no one sends us the memos...i don't know where you get your disinformation or your axe to grind against any kind of knowledge...

Oh that's right, the whole Bible from the very beginning is a diatribe against KNOWLEDGE, in fact that LUDDITE (look it up) thread runs throughout the Bible first to last..

"secular" education, wow there is an oxymoron.
"Evolution is a lie"..
Well i happen to believe neither creationism or evolution is correct, but that is probably because i have been subjected to the evils of critical thinking..and every vain philosophy which exalts itself...err whatever.

Have fun, and thanks for all the fish.

[danceswithbunnies]

BTW just for fun and everyone's delectation and entertainment,
here's a little ditty called:
"He'll Fuck You Up" (He being biblegod )

http://pendragon-343.com/subdirectory/hell_fuck_you_up.html