Reality as maya - form as suffering

[mauviene]

Quite evidently I would hope that everyone on this forum recognizes the fact that this reality we live in is an illusion. Obviously David has been saying this for awhile and many mystics have known this for centuries. Though I know David is primarily a neo-vedantist, he proposes the view that we are consciousness and we happen to manifest in this realm of suffering out of a mysterious cause (or by no cause).

Either way, I disagree with many statements on davids ontological view, and I'm starting to see things as a cycle, or samsara, proposed in all eastern mysticism. That being said, I think we are all linked to this cycle of rebirth through the craving of form through ignorance, fear, and desire. These reptiles simply being linked by virtue of manifestation to keep those who are lower in Samsara in the cycle.

However, I would like to hear the thoughts of others. Whether you would think our manifestation in this realm is through chance (existence precedes essence) or through samsara (essence precedes existence)

[lostinstrangeworld]

I am asking myself the same question.

I think I need to get out in the sunshine and meditate.

[ex_anser_ovo]

lostinstrangeworld, it is good to just go out and enjoy the day.

One of the worst things we can do for ourselves, is fill our heads with any kind of information, and then believe that because our brain handles information with the intent of creating certainty from what we got, it is somehow actually truth. Existence beats us senseless when we continue down that path.

Go out. Enjoy existence. Learn from it firsthand. :)

I went out with my roommate and we just watched everyone casually walking through the park. And there were even some children with sticks tapping the trees and jumping around singing.
It was refreshing and grounding to just see how things naturally are in a peaceful environment.

[mauviene]

Its looking like I might need to meditate over this problem..

[enga]

I'm tending towards the idea we are conditioned to be trapped here by our bodies and love of physicality. I think we need to be mindful of our actions, when we drift off and just 'live' without thinking it can be pleasant but I find actions occur that root people in the world around them and they forget it's illusory and get caught up in all sorts of rubbish. This causes behaviour which if people really thought about they wouldn't do and even goes against their own ethics. I think there is something, reptilians, demons or a force of darkness that trips people up when they are not living aware and it constantly tries to drag you down which is why it needs watching.
I don't know about rebirth whether it happens or if everything happens at once and recurs/reruns or we have a turn at being everyone - anything's possible and I don't remember anything. I'd love to be regressed.
I've heard proposed that negative entities trick people who die into rebirth with the tunnel of light and their own theological ideas. I think personally that it will be a choice a person may have to make.

[mauviene]

I'm tending towards the idea we are conditioned to be trapped here by our bodies and love of physicality. I think we need to be mindful of our actions, when we drift off and just 'live' without thinking it can be pleasant but I find actions occur that root people in the world around them and they forget it's illusory and get caught up in all sorts of rubbish. This causes behavior which if people really thought about they wouldn't do and even goes against their own ethics. I think there is something, reptilians, demons or a force of darkness that trips people up when they are not living aware and it constantly tries to drag you down which is why it needs watching.
I don't know about rebirth whether it happens or if everything happens at once and recurs/reruns or we have a turn at being everyone - anything's possible and I don't remember anything. I'd love to be regressed.
I've heard proposed that negative entities trick people who die into rebirth with the tunnel of light and their own theological ideas. I think personally that it will be a choice a person may have to make.


Well I don't know if you have heard of the Vedic theory of the devolution of spirit and the fall into matter and Samsara (the alternative to darwins theory of material evolution) but if this is so we are all essences that separated from god, Brahman, the absolute, whatever. And are trapped in the constant devolution of spirit until it dissipates fully (see how materialists are forming theories for the future of robots and humans as a medium for the evolution of such). If this is true then certainly reincarnation is also true, and we are all fallen essences from the divine. If it is not true..and we are all simply randomly generated then the purpose of the Archons.or keepers of this realm is simply territorial.

[lostinstrangeworld]

Are we organic robots? :confused:

:eek:

[tejas]

Feck knows buddy, My view switches between the Gnostic Idea of the Material World being Created by a Demiurge, to Advaita, to just pure pointlessness !

[lostinstrangeworld]

Feck knows buddy, My view switches between the Gnostic Idea of the Material World being Created by a Demiurge, to Advaita, to just pure pointlessness !

I hear you!!! :cool::eek::cool:

[lostinstrangeworld]

I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know, if you know what I mean
Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box
Religion is the smile on a dog
I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know, if you know what I mean, d-doo yeah

Choke me in the shallow waters
Before I get too deep

What I am is what I am
Are you what you are or what?
What I am is what I am
Are you what you are or

Oh, I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know, if you know what I mean
Philosophy is a walk on the slippery rocks
Religion is a light in the fog
I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know, if you know what I mean, d-doo yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGjh6duUPXc

:D

http://bobfarrow.com/joomla2/images/stories/lollipics/bouncy%20smiley%20yellow.gif

[tejas]

I hear you!!! :cool::eek::cool:

Life is a funny thing :D
http://www.roflcat.com/its-a-trap.php
http://www.roflcat.com/I-Has-A-Flavor.php

[lostinstrangeworld]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWMO5-TuCs&feature=related

[enga]

Well I don't know if you have heard of the Vedic theory of the devolution of spirit and the fall into matter and Samsara (the alternative to darwins theory of material evolution) but if this is so we are all essences that separated from god, Brahman, the absolute, whatever. And are trapped in the constant devolution of spirit until it dissipates fully (see how materialists are forming theories for the future of robots and humans as a medium for the evolution of such). If this is true then certainly reincarnation is also true, and we are all fallen essences from the divine. If it is not true..and we are all simply randomly generated then the purpose of the Archons.or keepers of this realm is simply territorial.

No I hadn't heard it put like that but I guess as population has increased maybe the essence of diluted Godness could be split up more. I'm gonna be nice to robots just in case lol.....don't want to end up like in Terminator.

[arty2000]

Its looking like I might need to meditate over this problem..

quiet your mind and listen to the silence...dont think about a problem be the possibilities:)

[lostinstrangeworld]

I think that the task/ obstacle I'm struggling with is that I feel that I need to keep a sense of romance about this world in order to feel that it has any meaning at all.

There's so much beauty in it, in life, nature and people....so I need to try, but why does it feel so difficult sometimes?

How does one stay strong?

[lostinstrangeworld]

Perhaps life is just a movie and then when one's soul has had its fill of its experience within it, it can chose to die from that existence and dwell within an eternal state of "being"......but I might be wrong.

For nearly all my life, I've been searching for a love to give life meaning....but all my experiences have just suggested to me that it's all transient and nothing lasts.

If nothing lasts....if it is just merely an experience....I don't think I want to be in it any more.

Maybe I should read some Ekhart Tolle and find a way to be peaceful so that I at least don't cause others pain by relieving my own (trouble is, I don't settle for other people's philosophies....I have to keep asking questions.....because I know how easily the mind can mistake it's own wishful thinking for "intuition"....that's exactly why there are so many "true" religions in our world). :rolleyes:

[lostinstrangeworld]

Someone just sent me this:

http://www.realitysandwich.com/gathering_tribe

:)

[mauviene]

quiet your mind and listen to the silence...dont think about a problem be the possibilities:)

Good advice:D

[anahata]

Somewhere over the rainbow or the rainbow over somewhere?

Think of yourself as light travelling through a black void...