What is "Satanism," exactly?

[clipwip]

Hey everyone; this is my first post. I've not read any of Icke's books and am really very new to the whole occult, symbolism, esoteric thing.

This may have been answered on another thread. If so, please direct me to it.

It is my understanding that there are widely divergent beliefs/practices which all go under the moniker of "Satanism." I know a little about the Church of Satan and LaVey, and they certainly don't condone child sacrifice and the like. But, everyone seems to believe that the Masters of Death and Destruction are truly Satanists. What do these people believe, exactly, and what do they believe "Satan" is? Is there a good book anyone could recommend about the history of this belief system?

[ashyr]

anything that is a direct reflection of christ and or christianity or in entierety "SUN CULT WORSHIP" is not true satanism its more the true reflection of christianity, in its rawest form. jst look @ the conspiracy around christian churches and so called satanism.


the true satanism that i beleive is based on a belief that one can be true to themselves in a world of HELLISH nature such as the physical yet also not be ordained by the constricts of such a perspective fix on "POSITIVE" vs "NEGATIVE"

knowing that the 3rd dimension is a realm of satan. its something your going to have to live with. make the most of it i spose. until you realise you dont need to be here anymore. this is where curiosity came in.

[pumma]

Not into this stuff either but... It's pure evil :p

Basic info >>> Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism)

More info (books) >>> Here (http://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Bible-Anton-Szandor-Lavey/dp/0380015390/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-4509984-4639013?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185000604&sr=8-1) and here (http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Satan-Elaine-Pagels/dp/0679731180/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-4509984-4639013?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185000604&sr=8-2)

There is more material (probably better), it's up to you to find it ;)

[clipwip]

anything that is a direct reflection of christ and or christianity or in entierety "SUN CULT WORSHIP" is not true satanism its more the true reflection of christianity, in its rawest form. jst look @ the conspiracy around christian churches and so called satanism.


the true satanism that i beleive is based on a belief that one can be true to themselves in a world of HELLISH nature such as the physical yet also not be ordained by the constricts of such a perspective fix on "POSITIVE" vs "NEGATIVE"

knowing that the 3rd dimension is a realm of satan. its something your going to have to live with. make the most of it i spose. until you realise you dont need to be here anymore. this is where curiosity came in.

While your version of Satanism is very interesting, I am really curious about the "Satanism" that Icke speaks of in regards to the "death and destruction" cult which seems to have humanity by the balls.

[nickatnoon61]

CLIPWIP, here is a recent article. SRA is everywhere, but covert, and the perps are the "pillars of society" Nick.


http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/04apr/rwilliam.html

[eternal_spirit]

THHEWelcome to The Sinagogue of Satan founded on 1-29-99. A religion based on the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry’s definition of Satanism, as described in Albert Pike’s work “Morals and Dogma“ (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1564592758/sosatan), from which the paragraph at the top of this page was taken. This religion is not based on those of the popular Satanists of our day, Hollywood or Christian propaganda, except for Aleister Crowley. His connection with the Freemasons and the fact we took our name from a short story in his book Konx om Pax (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0911662499/sosatan), (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0911662499/sosatan) called “Thien Tao; or, The Synagogue of Satan.” (http://www.sosatan.org/tto.html) Cannot be denied nor can we deny being a by-product of the Thelemic family.

[eternal_spirit]

The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black God, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or free will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the light bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend."
((- Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma" Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry written and published in 1875.))

http://www.sosatan.org/ The Synogogue of Satan(SOS)formed in 1999 is the most recent group unless there are others.

[eternal_spirit]

SOS have a Forum heres a bit of it.


Church of Satan Screws Me Over Once Again...

O.K. if you haven't heard, I recently disbanded my label Adversary Recordings due to the fact that the Church of Satan's Reptilian label Adversary Records changes 'Records' to 'Recordings' so yeah they fucked me over with copyrights. No worries, I recently got signed to A Dark Philosophy (ADP) Records and what better way to diss CoS by releasing an album with another satanic label and of course the disses that only I can bring to these fucks, courtesy the Sinagogue muthafucker...


That's typical of the Church of Satan. They take what they can get, then attempt to destroy everything you have created.

Include them in your rituals

[eternal_spirit]

REplys in SOS Forum

Here's a little treat for ya, it's a Remastered and Rereleased version of my song "Loyal 2 Da Game" which appeared on my previous album. The version on "East Los Most Wanted" was more of a teaser trailer to this version since it featured 2Pacs verse from his song "Loyal to the Game" however this version features the homie Dem6n6l6gy187 so you know it's Satanist's rappin' against CoS hahaha

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Fuck the Church of Satan!
HS Brothers,

And indeed. The curse of the Church of Satan. Another infamous curse (which one of our members pointed out) is this one:


By the power of witches and mages
By the power of crones and sages
By the moon and through its' stages
By the Sphinx and through the ages
By the night of sorrow
I see thy heart be hollow
I see thy blood turn black
I craft a curse upon your back
I take my revenge then leave it be
I take what you deem free
So let it be"
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I have no idea where it originated, but it sounds alright.
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I'm going on an Australian Broadcast Show later next month for an interview on the Australian Occult Influence. I'm going to publicly denounce the Church of Satan's credibility. Thus; they will reply with silly little "You're just a pseudo-Satanic ecumenicist" and other besmirching coat-tail, and revolting, messages.

Originality comes from an individual, not an organisation. LaVey always said he was a liar, and thus, his followers are obviously to blind-sighted by their ego's to even begin to comprehend the truth about the so-called "philosophical genius" they admire.

LaVey was a good man, a smart man, but a liar. He manipulated his environment to benefit him. Just like a "Satanist" does. The Church of Satan like to think they know what a "Satanist" is and/or isn't. They simply contradict themselves in everything they do.

They will soon fade away into obscurity, while originality and Satan prevail.

[eternal_spirit]

This is typical of Freemasons they have to destroy the old to bring in the new. Same goes for all religions they have to set up new groups with new teachings to put a different spin on the same old shite. Why? Because the followers get wise to being fooled and lied to, so those at the top have to add new lies to compensate for the older version not being in line with the current peoples acceptance and views of that particular religion. The reformation of Chritianity is one example.

Why do you think there are so many versions of the same religions they can't agree on what or who their God is and what the teachings are meant to be.

[eternal_spirit]

[quote=nickatnoon61;81753]CLIPWIP, here is a recent article. SRA is everywhere, but covert, and the perps are the "pillars of society" Nick.

Pillars of Society more High freemasonic speak.

[fccool]

Satan or "satana" in Hebrew basically means opposer or adversary. It's just a label. It does not carry any negative contex as you can use the word in both positive and negative manner. In fact in Bible, God is calls himself satan... as an opposer to something He dislikes.

So whenever you are speaking of Satanic forces you in fact reffering to opposing forces. The word has been perverted and mistranslated and slanted so much, that It's really hard what to think anymore :). Christian translaters translated Satan as "Satan" when in context of fallen angels, and as "enemy" or such when in context of Biblical God... therefore not revealing the nature of the word itself.

The word Diabolos is the greek version for Satan. Basically means "accuser". So if you accuse somebody of something you are accurately could be called Devil :). It's just an adjective that carries little connotation and was used by Church as a label for something inherintly evil.

Nevertheless, so forms of Satanism as it exist today is the belief in opposition to God. They believe that God exists and that he is evil by nature, and they believe that Devil exists and that he is the liberator. There are numerous subcults... so it is hard to say exactly what they believe... but generally the idea of Promethius type of Satan who brings fire to men to set them free from the bondage of God. Most of these people are intelligent people who can hold conversation well. I spoke to some, but as I said there are cults and subcults who do much darker things, so it is hard to say exactly what their belief system is.

[clipwip]

eternal spirit, you're posts are very helpful, that will give me a good start.

[ashyr]

hehe ok the ICKE reference to satanism and the satanism most of you speak here is nothing more that christian's by day, faggots in deception by night!.

classic most of this stuff here passess of as something where in little or no light you can easily see it is a direct reflection of everything holy or christ like.

never mind the real satanism well just attack the fake one for our own gratification. inflate head now!>!!!


SA = The force that drives the universe
TAN = The force that put that force in place

theres many more tiers yet fullas. so keep on praising the lord. even though he cant help you here.

[eternal_spirit]

Morning ashyr let there be light. The light of Lucifer or the light of day hmmm. Even the light of day can mean two different things 1 sunlight 2 truth
Be interesting to see what you believe and what school of thought (brand) and interpretation of what Satanism is? I'm sure you disagree with other versions of what falls under the same catorgory.(label)

[eternal_spirit]

hehe ok the ICKE reference to satanism and the satanism most of you speak here is nothing more that christian's by day, faggots in deception by night!.

classic most of this stuff here passess of as something where in little or no light you can easily see it is a direct reflection of everything holy or christ like.

never mind the real satanism well just attack the fake one for our own gratification. inflate head now!>!!!


SA = The force that drives the universe
TAN = The force that put that force in place

theres many more tiers yet fullas. so keep on praising the lord. even though he cant help you here.


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where waiting or are you avoiding the issue? Tell us what it's really about or don't you know? Seems like you are saying all these official satanic groups are fakes lol that's something seeing as though you get you're ideas from the same books and writers.

[clipwip]

OK, I looked at the Sinagogue of Satan home page and they specifically admonish people to not break the law. This is the same for the Church of Satan too. Therefore, the question remains: what is the "Satanism" which involves child abuse, sacrifice, rape, genocide, etc. which is going on?

[eternal_spirit]

OK, I looked at the Sinagogue of Satan home page and they specifically admonish people to not break the law. Therefore, the question remains: what is the "Satanism" which involves child abuse, sacrifice, rape, genocide, etc. which is going on?


They have to have a public friendly image. Who knows what really goes on in secret behind closed doors. See, these so called lesser satanic groups will have been planned and put into action by the Illuminati Elite so it is connected.

You've heard of crooked cops bent policemen? Dodgy Judges.......They make the laws arrest some criminals but work with other criminals. So their laws they enforce upon others the same laws don't always apply to themselves. You can have double agents Christian priest by day Satanist by night as ashyr says.

I may try explain more later anyone else help us out?? You could try a search on the net.

[clipwip]

You've heard of crooked cops bent policemen? Dodgy Judges.......They make the laws arrest some criminals but work with other criminals. So their laws they enforce upon others the same laws don't always apply to themselves.

Yes, there are clearly a different set of rules; but rules none the less. There is clearly structure and meaning behind child abuse/sacrifice and these people follow rituals and have some sort of belief system. I did a search a while ago and came up with the general stuff we've already gone over.

I believe Icke answers Premium members' questions sometimes. I'm one of them, so maybe I'll ask him.

[ashyr]

the basic and most simple answer i can give is "DO WHAT THOU WHILT"

nothing about "THE ONENESS" this omnipresent god.
nothing about "child abuse,ritualistic killing,sacrificing animals or anything etc"
nothing about "god,christ,religion,the book, positive or negative"

this is just the BLOCKBUSTER RENTAL you can take the video back now its overdue.


its all about "RESPECTING the 3rd DIMENSION because your fuckingwell here. this is satans realm, service to satan is reward. "

service to yourself that is.

[clipwip]

the basic and most simple answer i can give is "DO WHAT THOU WHILT"

nothing about "THE ONENESS" this omnipresent god.
nothing about "child abuse,ritualistic killing,sacrificing animals or anything etc"
nothing about "god,christ,religion,the book, positive or negative"

this is just the BLOCKBUSTER RENTAL you can take the video back now its overdue.


its all about "RESPECTING the 3rd DIMENSION because your fuckingwell here. this is satans realm, service to satan is reward. "

service to yourself that is.


Have you seen the footage of the Cremation of Care at Bohemian Grove in 2000 by Alex Jones? These people aren't haphazard derelicts. All of this goes back way into pre-history and there is something very significant about what they do and/or believe. If you read the Old Testament, a lot of this is what the cult of YHWH practiced. I'm sure this is exactly tied in with the whole blood-sacrifice of Judaism and Christianity. I mean, if you really think about it, it is incredibly demented and sick. Supposedly for "a pleasing smell to the LORD." Who is this LORD with His insatiable lust for blood? Is this part of the Reptilian thing? Again, I haven't read any of Icke's books; but Icke clearly doesn't include "Satanism" and its attendant child abuse with his theories about reptilians. So therefore, what does he mean by "Satanism?"

[ashyr]

yes very well put. i think the satanism icke refers to is an offplanet one. or a extretarrestrial practice. the satanism of man. the true worship of ones self and its greatness. is one that isnt far from earth. infact its all around us.

and in 3d.

[eternal_spirit]

If you read the Old Testament, a lot of this is what the cult of YHWH practiced. I'm sure this is exactly tied in with the whole blood-sacrifice of Judaism and Christianity. I mean, if you really think about it, it is incredibly demented and sick. Supposedly for "a pleasing smell to the LORD." Who is this LORD with His insatiable lust for blood? Is this part of the Reptilian thing? Again, I haven't read any of Icke's books; but Icke clearly doesn't include "Satanism" and its attendant child abuse with his theories about reptilians. So therefore, what does he mean by "Satanism?"
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Icke does go into this in some depth in the book Biggest Secret. The blood sacrafices serve possibly more than one purpose.
The one's performing the sacrafice may drink the blood of the victim, to regenerate themselves, physically, the life force of the victim is contained in the blood. At the moment of death a chemical called adrenalchrome is released into the victims blood, the torture and fear creates this chemical (adrenalchrome which is to do with adrenaline) Some Satanists are said to be addicted to this substance. Could be where the vampire storys come from as you can see the cap fits?

Perverted sex rituals,involving torture, with children, or even adults can create energy that can be harnessed via the chakras, especially at the point of orgasm, this is what Crowley was up to with his sex magick rituals

Also, demons ( reps ) are said to feed off negative human emotions, the negativity of say the sacrafice of a small innocent child is considered to be their best source of nourishment, this also fits with the sacrafice of virgins, pure pre-pubesant energy is what the ageing satanist want's to access and absorb in order to rejuvenate their own body.

[eternal_spirit]

These rituals are a away of bridging a vibrational connection to the demons of the lower fourth dimension, this is where we get the term of summoning the devil. Feed the demons, then in return the black magician hopes to gain favours from the demons and even enhanced psychic powers.

To add power to the rituals they may be performed at Earth energy vortex points, where leylines meet, symbolic of dragon lines also known as meridians. Hence we have the crossroads, where these lines cross over and meet ( cross road rite rituals of freemasonry) cross dressing gender bending homosexual rites.

Many churches are built on these places. That's why there are members of the church involved. ley lines are believed to absorb human emotions and can travel to other vortex energy points and create thought forms which in turn can affect human emotions, a sort of mass conciousness
state.

Think about how much negative energy is released during a battle at war, sacrafice enmasse, a feast for the demons.

[ashyr]

do you really think the writter of this stuff is
a) in shock at his discoveries
b) believing that if you get a goat and cut its throat and chant some ancient text at the altar, the moment the moon clears from the cloud on a full moon that you will have some "satanic scenario" that ends up being one you can write about?

lol im sure. that is why they do it.

last time i tried this. nothing happend. hehehe.
although oh ok .
because there location and wealth is so much more than me. that

having some far superior :LEY LINE: site of worship with a good altar an massive temple. all these great things, then they fall to concluding the same ritual. that OH be it this time. its any different?(other than its lack of materia)
oh this time some green gas stuff apears. oh and dont forget the mist. oh yeah and the distinct sounds of someone chanting backwards. or cursing god. and yeah this time. some sort of appirition. or entity just apears for them and does there bidding. or gives them thanks for their praises?

lol ok so why didnt it happen for me? oh yeah thats why . because of all those flash things they had. the millions spend on location/temple altar/ equiptment.

now this again who would want to play a game with a so called "GOD" where you can only reach him if your "rich" in money or knowledge, can get to a situation where u have all the peices and shit. its like a movie. involving a treasure map and some lost peices. u can see the plot here already. this kinda shit is just nonsense. i think its maybe some ancient druid games or maybe there first attempts and writing movies? i dont know but its been a bit over done.

they have nothing to do with me here and now. there is a great internal struglgle. and that needs to be addressed first. before you can look outside.

we are being distracted you fools. and after latest discoveries. i suspect david is the next dam in the slueth of life,

knw that all light rises to en lightenment. therefor the crust of negativity, will fall. you dont need special attributes or items. this is a law. it is what always happens.

ill end you with a quote from the koton

"Don’t be afraid because the koton will give you everything you could ever possibly desire
and guide you the koton will toward an eternal light of divine perfection sharpened by the
knives of evil. Don’t afraid be but embrace it, suckle it and swallow it because chosen a
riteous path of freedom you have from eternal banality and lonliness."

[eternal_spirit]

I'm talking about the Elite's rituals in those posts above, don't take it personally ashyr.

[ashyr]

yeah . but my point being. why is it any diffferent from elite to bungalow dweller?

its a visard.

[eternal_spirit]

yeah . but my point being. why is it any diffferent from elite to bungalow dweller?

its a visard.
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Everything the Elite do is different. They view themselves as superior a different species. Maybe they are alien after all.

[clipwip]

Eternal Spirit, I meant to get back to you on this. Very interesting thoughts. Thanks for the insight.

[ashyr]

different how. ?

what a copp out.

your avoiding my point. doesnt work start in the mind?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings Clipwip,and to all Satanists,seekers & watchers!:

'What is Satanism? exactly" An excellant query, the qualitative modifier
'exactly' certainly has given me pause and perhaps I may be able to illuminate some otherwise overlooked knowledge on this most important subject.

Baseline: The Superbeing I will be referring to as Satan is the entity spoken of in the Book of Yahweh(the bible). Not surprisingly, the Book of Yahweh provides a substantial amount of information on this entities form,appearance,works,creation,character. So I shall posit: To understand Satan is to understand Satanism.

Satan appears in scripture from the Book of Genesis to the Book of Revelation. A plethora of evidence!

In the beginning: Yahweh,standing in the location of the Third Heaven,Kingdom of Yahweh,(this is a dimension we cannot percieve) creates the universe(the second Heaven) we are aware of,planets,stars etc. The Universe, the Grandest Complication of all time needed some workers to keep things running smooth.

So Yahweh created a race of beings known as the Malakim.They are both Male & Female and could be considered to have super powers.

Before all this occured, Yahweh, while in the Kingdom of Heaven, created the Torah, 613 Laws Judgements and Statutes. The Kingdom of Heaven is governed by these Laws, Yahweh lives by these Laws.
The Malakim were subject to these Laws.

So we have Yahweh & the Malakim, second and third heavens, the first Heaven is earths atmosphere, domain of birds,clouds etc.
So the Malakim(created beings) are assisting Yahweh in his works.

Satan,(Hillel,given name) a created being(created by Yahweh, like all the Malakim)by all accounts was quite exceptional,stood out from the crowd.
Apparently, Yahweh,Himself moticed her, and decided to have her groomed to become a Wife of His. The evidence for this is explicitly provided in the book of Yechetzqyah>may Yahweh strengthen(Ezekial)1-40.

So now Satan,given name Hillel, becomes a Wife of Yahweh in a very exalted position. To bear children, to teach and nurture children and so on.

Story goes, she thought she was all that, a bag of chips and thensome, and than some more and even more and more more more more.....

Well, she thought she could do better than Yahweh, and apparently she was able to convince 1/3 of the Malakim to join her in rebellion against Yahweh, His Loyalist Malakim and the Codex of Law, the Torah.

The Battle ensues..................

[fccool]

Peace & Greetings Clipwip,and to all Satanists,seekers & watchers!:

'What is Satanism? exactly" An excellant query, the qualitative modifier
'exactly' certainly has given me pause and perhaps I may be able to illuminate some otherwise overlooked knowledge on this most important subject.

Baseline: The Superbeing I will be referring to as Satan is the entity spoken of in the Book of Yahweh(the bible). Not surprisingly, the Book of Yahweh provides a substantial amount of information on this entities form,appearance,works,creation,character. So I shall posit: To understand Satan is to understand Satanism.

Satan appears in scripture from the Book of Genesis to the Book of Revelation. A plethora of evidence!

In the beginning: Yahweh,standing in the location of the Third Heaven,Kingdom of Yahweh,(this is a dimension we cannot percieve) creates the universe(the second Heaven) we are aware of,planets,stars etc. The Universe, the Grandest Complication of all time needed some workers to keep things running smooth.

So Yahweh created a race of beings known as the Malakim.They are both Male & Female and could be considered to have super powers.

Before all this occured, Yahweh, while in the Kingdom of Heaven, created the Torah, 613 Laws Judgements and Statutes. The Kingdom of Heaven is governed by these Laws, Yahweh lives by these Laws.
The Malakim were subject to these Laws.

So we have Yahweh & the Malakim, second and third heavens, the first Heaven is earths atmosphere, domain of birds,clouds etc.
So the Malakim(created beings) are assisting Yahweh in his works.

Satan,(Hillel,given name) a created being(created by Yahweh, like all the Malakim)by all accounts was quite exceptional,stood out from the crowd.
Apparently, Yahweh,Himself moticed her, and decided to have her groomed to become a Wife of His. The evidence for this is explicitly provided in the book of Yechetzqyah>may Yahweh strengthen(Ezekial)1-40.

So now Satan,given name Hillel, becomes a Wife of Yahweh in a very exalted position. To bear children, to teach and nurture children and so on.

Story goes, she thought she was all that, a bag of chips and thensome, and than some more and even more and more more more more.....

Well, she thought she could do better than Yahweh, and apparently she was able to convince 1/3 of the Malakim to join her in rebellion against Yahweh, His Loyalist Malakim and the Codex of Law, the Torah.

The Battle ensues..................

I take it this is a Hebrew talmud explanation. Pick a version you want to believe so to speak.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings fccool!:

Au Contraire!! mon amie!

The Talmud, oral & written TRADITIONS, muddy the clear Water of the Pentateuch(J-Text). The information I have provided is right off the pages. As cited above,Ezekiyl 1-40: it is terms like: 'the guardian cherub that covereth', 'walked between the stones of fire', 'I have set you so', 'You were in Yahwehs Garden,Eden' can be confusing at first glance, which is why Strongs dictionary was cited.

Personally, I have aquired my own small Library,comparative religions,lexicons galore!,hebrew-chaldee,

For the record: I do not use or endorse the talmud,it is unneccesary to understand Yahweh and His Plan.
Authentic Teachers and good study materiel gets the job done. At this time,these resources are supressed. Notice all the clowns who purport to be speaking for Yahweh and Yahshua, but they don't even know their Names or Father Yahwehs Plan. There is substantial historical evidence to suggest that this is the very information the Illumiwhattis don't want you to know. Hmmmm

Neither do I use or endorse Kabbalistic or Py/tha/goras theories doctrine.

Torah, as benchmark & scriptures as paradigms of Life as viewed through the lens of the Torah.Lessons Learned!

So, fccool! No talmudic, or kabbalistic ponderings, straight scripture in Harmony with the Codex of Law, the Torah.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

A brief example of cited scripture in support of above information

#1:Yechetzqyah(may Yahweh strengthen,(ezekiyl)28:14-15-

14: You are the anointed cherub that covers, for I have set you so. You were upon the Holy Mountain of Yahweh, you walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15:You were perfect in your ways from the day you were CREATED, until iniquity, sin,(transgression of the Codex of Law), was found in you.

These two lines could fill a book, I will provide a brief synapses, citing sources.

The Phrase: I have set you so as translated from the root Hebrew word Nathan, as listed on page 678 of the Analytical Hebrew & Chaldee Lexicon by Benjamin Davidson reads, give woman to man as wife.

Also her name is Hillyl(Usually feminine but i believe it has been used in masculine names, maybe like dana or jesse or) numerous of the best lexicons concur on the following definitions.

Strongs Concordence word 1984:halal> give in marriage

Lexicon In Veteris Testamenti Libros by Koehler & Baumgartner
page 235: A beautiful woman, a wife who is praised by her husband. A woman whos works praise her.

New Wilsons Old Testament Word Studies: page 506: to be given in marriage, worthy to be praised

Likewise the phrase: The 'Annointed Cherub' is laden with profound meaning. One must discern the meaning of cherub and annointed as this leads to an understanding of mother satans role.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

The Phrase: 'the anointed cherub that covers' through parsing of each word in numerous lexiconsl,Hillyl(mother satan,lucifer,queen of heaven, a wife of Yahweh) becomes more vivid.

'Anointing' sets one aside in distinction of a particular office. In this case next to Yahweh, as it is coupled with 'Cherub'

'Cherub': Gesenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon:Page 414 'one who is near to Yahweh, ministers to Him, one who is admitted to His presence.

Hillyl had a Ministering position in Yahwehs Kingdom

Analytical Hebrew & Chaldee Lexicon by Benjamin Davidson: Page 392, in specificity of the instance of 'Cherub' use,28:14 traces to hebrew root word 'Rabab', 'She who has many children'

the phrase:'that covers' the Analytical Hebrew Lexicon, informs this is defined as to protect,defend the Laws of the Torah, This is were I respectfully recall that old adventure movie, 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'. The ARK is an important fixture of the Book of Yahweh.

In the Book of Yahweh, everything has a reason and happens according to Yahwehs Plan. Wrap your Brain/Mind around that!

The representations of the two beings/wings of the Ark, represent Cherubim(plural for cherub) whose job is to hold the Tallit(shawl) of Yahweh when He sits on the Ark. Those outstretched wings perform this task beautifully. Yahwehs Tallit(shawl) represent being covered by the Torah ergo The Cherubim uphold the Law.

Together the phrase 'the anointed cherub that covers' can be understood as 'the one set aside for an office,as a wife and minister,bearing many children and teaching and upholding all of Yahwehs Laws'

Hillyl(lucifer,mother satan,queen of heaven) had a mistering role in Heaven. I is when she rose in rebellion she became known as satan.

[ashyr]

this is just turning into a cut and paste fest.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen!:

The 'scope' of the Book of Yahweh is both Interdimensional and Intergalactic. Father Yahweh is the 'Fountainhead',He is not a god, He created at least two other species of sentient Hominid like creatures, the Malakim(messengers of Yahweh) and Humanbeings,His personal project,very important to His Plan that amongst the Human Race He would be able to create a Family, of and for Him to inherit the 'Ultimate Promised Land' the universe.

We will not inherit the Universe while our Brain/Mind Complex is ruled by the Carnal Mind, thus training by 'Lessons Learned' is most neccessary.

I left off with Hillyls(satan,Lucifer,devil,serpant,old dragon,queen of heaven) rebellion. Satan, convinced 1/3 of the Malakim(no census of the population of Malakim has been provided except generally,ie:'Many')to join in rebellion

Learned scholars have surmised Satan probably had millions of followers in her rebellion. These are the 'Fallen Angels'. Yahweh and the Malakim all have superpower and are Interdimensional & Intergalactic in nature.

It is the 1/3 of the Malakim, Satan and the 'Fallen Angels' who are purported to be the minions,daemons,gods and whatnot, their self appointed task is to reinforce the Humans carnal mind.You know, "Da Debil Made Me Do It!"

So Yahweh does not destroy these rebellious creations of His, rather He knows they will prove His point.

An earlier post I presented information how the Malakim were created and without freewill or choice were 'FORCED" to obey Yahwehs Laws, the Torah.

Yahwehs intellect and insight are quite robust, so He noticed this rebellion of His creations, so for the Human Plan, beginning with Adam & Eve in His Garden,Eden. He decided to allow Humans Freewill, He would show them a 'Way', the Tree of Life(Torah,pure Righteousness),and the other tree,He warned them about the ways of the gods, which is a combination of Righteousness & Evil, the 'Fruit' which He strongly suggested they not partake of.

Glossary:according to the Book of Yahweh

Righteousness: complete obedience to Yahweh and the Torah(no talmud or kabbala)

Sin: a transgession of one or more of the Laws of the Torah

Evil: carnal mind embrasure of disobedience to the Torah

Satanism:Named after Hillyl, Yahwehs estranged wife,leader of malakim rebellion, also known as Luciferism, Devil worship, god worship(according to the Book of Yahweh,Hillyl(satan) created the role of god for herself to rise above Yahweh, Satan is god#1.)

The turn of the worm is all about Moral Character, Carnal(satan) or Yahweh(higher)

The carnal mind seeks positions of office for which it is unqualified and prepared to administer justly. This is coveting, unlawful desire and leads to problems.

The rites and rituals of Satanism, Devil worship, could scientifically be described as 'Wankery". Giving power and adulation to satan, a created being, who is slated for destuction. Any perceived power a human thinks he garners is shortlived.

I live in New York, have met many Satanists and Devil worshippers, yet never met one who really knew the character of the being they were pledging allegiance to.

End of that long,hard,dusty day,Satanism is exaltation of the carnal mind over the Teachings of Yahweh, His Prophets and His Codex of Law, the Torah.

May Father Yahweh Bless Your Understanding!

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings ashyr!

Again,due to lack of 'Salutation' at top of your post, I was compelled to exercise, so I ran around the block, did some push-ups and jumpin' jacks' and have again reckoned, utilising the powers of my Brain/Mind complex to apply 'Forced Logic & Deductive Reasoning' that your post was an evaluation of my opus.

Color me perplexed!!!

I do not know how to cut & paste, nor insert 'hot links', so I surmise your post is to be representative of a carnal desire.

If I have erred in my deduction, please inform.
If I am correct in my deduction, please amplify your position.

W/Kindest Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[fccool]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

A brief example of cited scripture in support of above information

#1:Yechetzqyah(may Yahweh strengthen,(ezekiyl)28:14-15-

14: You are the anointed cherub that covers, for I have set you so. You were upon the Holy Mountain of Yahweh, you walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15:You were perfect in your ways from the day you were CREATED, until iniquity, sin,(transgression of the Codex of Law), was found in you.

These two lines could fill a book, I will provide a brief synapses, citing sources.

The Phrase: I have set you so as translated from the root Hebrew word Nathan, as listed on page 678 of the Analytical Hebrew & Chaldee Lexicon by Benjamin Davidson reads, give woman to man as wife.

Also her name is Hillyl(Usually feminine but i believe it has been used in masculine names, maybe like dana or jesse or) numerous of the best lexicons concur on the following definitions.

Strongs Concordence word 1984:halal> give in marriage

Lexicon In Veteris Testamenti Libros by Koehler & Baumgartner
page 235: A beautiful woman, a wife who is praised by her husband. A woman whos works praise her.

New Wilsons Old Testament Word Studies: page 506: to be given in marriage, worthy to be praised

Likewise the phrase: The 'Annointed Cherub' is laden with profound meaning. One must discern the meaning of cherub and annointed as this leads to an understanding of mother satans role.


You mean the phrase "helel ben shachar" :)? Which basically means the "shining one, the star of the morning". It's the same word as in Isaiah 14:12. Helel (not Hillyl) is a variation of Halal, which has nothing to do with marriage in the context of "ben shachar". In fact it is translated as marriage only in one passage it is used in (out of 165 total usages of this word), so to take it and apply "Marriage" to this passage is total misdirection and pandering on people's ignorance on the subject. It really means to shine, or to be boastful. I don't know which lexicon you are looking at but any other Hebrew lexicons will suggest the same:

http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=01984

#1 To shine, to give off light

#2 To boast

only in one other passage it is used as "marriage" and it has nothing to do with the subject you are covering.
Ps 78:63 - The fire consumed their young men; and their maidens were not given to marriage.
This is the only time, in fact in entire OT this word is translated as marriage by anyone.

The word Nathan, simply means to "Give" as in "to permit" in this context.

http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=05414

Once again it has nothing to do with marriage. To sqeeze a definition of a word into a context that it does not belong to is like saying:

"I just listened to a BAND." When in fact you are reffering something you strap on your arm. You have to look at the context, mate ;)!

Read the passage here once again, and see for yourself.

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Ezekiel+1&section=0&translation=str&oq=eze%25201&new=1&sr=1&nb=eze&ngt=Go+To%3A&ng=28&ncc=1


There is no Hillyl anywhere near this passage! Whether you believe the Bible to be the word of God is irrelevant in this case. Misrepresentation of the facts, whether it is intentionally or just our of ignorance, does not do any good in searching the truth.

[fccool]

As for the word Satan :). Stay on the subject, because this is the word that you are after in this case, and the passage you have provided has very little to do with the word.

http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=07854


To those who don't like cutting and pasting, forgive me for doing so, but I thought you might find the following uses of "Satan" very interesting. In the following passages, Satan refers to men, to angels of God as well as the angels opposing to God. Just to show you that Satan is just a word and does not simply mean the fallen angelic being.


Satan as Good angel of God - Nu 22:22 - But God was angry because he was going, and the angel of the LORD took his stand in the way as an adversary against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.


Satan as a Man - 1Ki 11:23 - God also raised up another adversary to him, Rezon the son of Eliada, who had fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah.

There are many others. You can check it out in the link above. Once again, whether you believe God exists or not is irrelivant in this case. The argument here is over the validity of the statement (translation), and not the fact that the source is correct.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Geetings fccool!:

Because you yourself are citing corrupted translations, you come to different conclusions. I cited every Lexicon and Page and anyone who expends a minute amount of enegy can read for themselves, the way it is to be done.

The phrase "ben Shachar" is an excellent example of the correct phrase, yet wrong conclusion. The word 'ben' commonly used to denote a male 'son' is also defined as 'child'(non-gender specific) it is also defined as 'Pupil'
combined with the word Shachar as light. throughout scripture the Torah is referred to as light, so without any exercise at all, I can translate 'ben shachar' as student of the Law(Torah)

You, yourself provided massive misdirection in your citation of Nu22:22

Subject who is "going" is Baalam, the rider of the donkey. NOT YAHWEH

22:22But Yahweh was very angry because he(baalam) went, and the Malak(messenger) of Yahweh took his stand in the road to oppose him(baalam). Baalam was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.

A comparison of these two examples, yours and mine in regard to 22:22, indicates to me your argument has been made by proxy(studylight.org) rather than your own clear understanding of this matter.

It illustrates the importance of using proper names and titles of office. The onus is upon you fccool to research this subject yourself, rather than to rely upon deficient arguments of others.

When time permits in the near future I shall illustrate deficiencies of your other arguments.

Examine Zondervans interlinear text of the old Testament(one line in english above a line in Hebrew).

Your Psalms example is irrellevent to this case because it concerns punishment Yahweh is allowing to come upon His people.

IF, you would actually examine,for yourself, the citations I have provided, you will read with your own eyes, the definitions. You fell for: "Move along,theres nothing to see here" ploy, a deception. A danger of Argument by Proxy. yagotta do the work yourself.

With Kindest regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

Check,recheck,vett your sources and use proper names and titles of office and this debate will move along quicker. Time is a precious commodity.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings fccool!:

To honour your argument for the usage of the example of root Hebrew word 'nathan' for phrase " I have set you so" as listed on page 678 of the Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon by Bebjamin Davidson is defined
as 'give woman to man as wife'.

fccool, I just bought this ground for the second time, the bane of warriors,
end of the day believe whatever someone tells you that agrees with what you feel,as for myself, I have these texts right at hand and look at them in black and white reality.You have put 'Blind Faith' in study the light.org.
You do not seem to even have come to an understanding Yahweh is not a god. corrupted texts provide corrupted information, producing corrupted conclusions.

again just a brief look at Lucifer in strongs hebrew dictionary is word 1966
is heylel-sense of brightness root word 1984 halal-give in marriage.plus all the boasting and other character attributes. A person must actually seek the sources cited and actually read it themselves,

I suggest you acquire your own Strongs Concordance,20 dollars american, priceless in value.

The Disciple of Yahweh must prove to his or her own mind they understand His work. He simply doesn't want anyone who will not prove to themselves
His way is superior to any competing doctrines. No one is to be forced and 'Blind Faith' does't cut it.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings fccool!:

For Further edification: Comparitive translation as to translation provided by
(studythelight/org)pesented in fccool post on page 4.

1 Kings 11:23 And Yahweh raised up another adversary against Solomon, Rezon, son of Elyada, who had fled from his ruler, Hadadezer King of Zobah.

fccool: My bad if I overlooked a definition of Satan, from Strongs Hebrew Dictionary: word 7854-saw-tawn- an opponent,especially the arch-enemy of good- adversary-----from primary root word 7853:saw-tan--to attack, to accuse, to be an adversary(resist),

Hillyl, when she rebelled became a adversary of Yahweh,

In the verse you provided from 1 kings 11:23 Strongs concordance does not even list satan as a hebrew word for that particular use of the word adversary in that verse.Notice the adversary is a mortal human(rezon) Yahweh rose Rezon up Himself to be a pain in the ass to Solomon, because if you would read of Solomon yourself(rather than letting others tell you about him)you would have realised Solomon was a very special subject, given wisdom by Yahweh Himself, yet still went off the tracks by indulging his carnal mind over his higher mind,

Examples: 700 wives(greed) 1500 concubines(greed)allowing some of his wives to indulge in forbidden pagan customs and rituals,even indulging himself.

The Story of Solomon end sadly with much misery for himself, his family and the nation.

Yet, I would reccomend a read of Solomons Proverbs,this is wisdom given by Yahweh Himself so as all may discern His True Character.

With Kindest Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[fccool]

Peace & Greetings fccool!:

again just a brief look at Lucifer in strongs hebrew dictionary is word 1966
is heylel-sense of brightness root word 1984 halal-give in marriage.plus all the boasting and other character attributes. A person must actually seek the sources cited and actually read it themselves,

I suggest you acquire your own Strongs Concordance,20 dollars american, priceless in value.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

I own several :). I spent dedicated 4 years studying theology, and although I came to conclusion that much of what I've been fed was pure indoctrination with lack of supporting proof, nevetheless I did take away methods of interpretation and research. I've poured weeks in enterpreting 1 passage at a time, only ti find later that I can not deduce that my enterpretations are right. Owning one does not change anything if you take the interpretations out of the original context of their meaning to fit your worldview. If what you see in these texts is just a mirror of your own thought patterns, then what is your or mine interpretation worth? Nothing! Anybody can plug in any of the 20 of the word definitions and run with it. You have to understand the context!

In the passage... Ezikiel does not even adress lucifer! He is told by God (Yahweh... Tetragrammaton....I AM... what to say to king of Tyre, or Babylon). So technically, I don't see how you even make a connection to "wife" of "not God" in this passage, when the context is clearly absent. Now read Isaiah 14 (it's a parallel passage to Ezikiel). Can you deduce marriage from that passage too? ;). I highly doubt that. If you can, then entertain me please.

PS: What makes you think your sources are not corrupt :)?

[sidreighn]

CLIPWIP, here is a recent article. SRA is everywhere, but covert, and the perps are the "pillars of society" Nick.


http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/04apr/rwilliam.html

Fantastic web site, the video about the mayan date system is great.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings fccool!:

An excellent example of Yechetzqyah 28:12-13-
From the Book of Yahweh

28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation for the King of Tyre(metaphor-big shot), and say to him; This is what Father Yahweh says: You were the seal of the full measure of perfection, full of widom and perfect in beauty.

28:13 YOU WERE IN EDEN,THE GARDEN OF YAHWEH;EVERY PRECIOUS STONE WAS YOUR COVERING;the ruby,the topaz,the emerald,the chrysolite(a form of asbestos),the onyx,the jasper,the sapphire,the turquoise,and the beryl. The workmanshipof your settings were made in gold,IN THE DAY YOU WERE CREATED,THEY WERE PREPARED FOR YOU.

28:14 You were the guardian(anointed)cherub, and I married you on the Holy Mountain of Yahweh; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

28.15 You were PERFECT in your ways from the day you were created, until iniquity,(sin,transgression of the Laws), was found in you.

A very revealing passage, these few verses.

Examine verse 13, you were in Eden, show me were in scripture the King of Tyre,a city on the Levant, mediterranean coast, a kingdom years after the Eden event occurred, was in Eden. You certainly know who was in Eden,interacting with Adam & Eve.The King of Tyre was a vainglorious wanker who certainly was never the SEAL of the FULL MEASURE OF PERFECTION. The only mortally born human(s) who could possibly be described as that would be Miriam,Yahshuas mother or Yahshua himself.

We all may be sure the King of Tyre had his transgressions.He was not perfect in his ways from the day of his creation.

Keep in mind, Yahweh CREATED the Malakim, He Created Adam & Eve and He was involved in the CREATION of Yahshua. Your average Human,you,me,
bubba mojambo were sired by humans.

To continue, without any execise at all, I respectfully request of you to recall and consider Father Yahwehs doctrines concerning Homo-Sexuality.

I, personally, cannot envision Father Yahweh, the manliest of all men, a mans man, creating in advance, and then adorning any male with what must of surely been the most magnificent jewelry in the Universe in copious amounts. Stallions, breastplates of Gold,swords, to Solomon wisdom

He did not adorn Yahshua in any such way, nor solomon, abraham, moses.

The King of Tyre was a Yutz,got his ass kicked, city of Tyre was scraped off the face of the earth, as foretold by a prophet of Yahweh.

So lets recap!: A created being........present in the garden of Eden.....seal of the Full Measure of Perfection......adrned with amultitude of the finest jewelry in the Universe.......perfect in beauty

Woman are beautiful, Males are Handsome.

I honestly, and ardently believe, the use of 'the King of Tyre' is a metaphor.

fccool, have you ever seen the movie "Bedazzled" starring that irrepressible little minx, Elizabeth Hurley. Portraying Satan?

This is not a new doctrine, evidence of this thought goes back to BCE as Isayah has informed us.

Do yourself a flavour, and obtain a copy of The Book of Yahweh, from yahweh.com

I had deduced this long before I came upon their school of thought. Queen of Heaven was the road I took. Also now note the worship of mary,'mother of god' a growing trend.Queen of heaven...do the math

Heads up and Saddle up!

with kind regards and deep respect! Snoopsnuffleopagus

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings fccool!:

To further amplify your position it would be neccessary to provide scripture illustrating where,when and how the 'King of Tyre' held the position of anointed minister upholding and teaching Father Yahwehs Laws while sitting next to Him in the Throne Room of the Third Heaven.

Slightly off-point is my view:

The Book of Yahweh is a Two part puzzle.

1. Father Yahweh

2. The Torah, Codex of Law, 613 Laws Judgements and Statutes

Every point in the scriptures reflect aspects of the Codex of Law. Though I never knew the King of Tyre personally, the reputation in the Book of Yahweh is not as a teacher of Yahwehs Law.

[ashyr]

You god damn right i will amplify my position.

You come in here pasting all kinds a crap from the book of yahweh and his scriptures and your findings. May it fall at your side be it you actually sit there and type up all this crap. Its a whole lot of nothing mate.

I am getting the feeling you are a preacher man?
your words are falling on deaf ears my friend. although i will gratitude you thus. if you truely believe yourself and this gamble, then more power to you!

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Peace & Greetings ashyr!:

First and foremost, many thanks for the comedic relief in what was otherwise
a rather enpointe and perhaps 'dry' dialogue.

Your opinion, though valued, does not carry the weight of the author of this thread, clipwip.

Quite frankly ashyr, though exercise is a wonderful activity, running off at the keybord and jumping to conclusions has less merit than more conventional forms of exertion.

That said, your opinion is duly noted and I shall not trespass in your thread,'Resident Satanist'. Should clipwip request my departure, I would honour that request.

Not surprising, your 'feeling' that I may be a 'Preacher Man' is in error, I am a 'Janitor' addressing issues of quality control. Presenting information that is normally obscured,

My presence in this thread is valid. Since 'Satan' is a central character, indeed the prime antagonist' of the Book of Yahweh. The use of the Book of Yahweh is perfectly appropriate.

At this juncture in time I have already made the case of 'what is Satanism-'exactly' according to the Book of Yahweh, Perhaps you can share your view on above information and conclusion: 'Satanism(opposition) is merely opposition to Father Yahweh and His Laws.

As for typing out material, that is the only way I can present information in this medium, I always prefer talking to people in person.

Thank You for your input.

Kind Regards!: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[ashyr]

Quite frankly ashyr, though exercise is a wonderful activity, running off at the keybord and jumping to conclusions has less merit than more conventional forms of exertion.

must be time for a new keyboard.

[astraltraveller]

hello folks

this is my first post . im very intrested in this thread personally as it is something i whant to get to the bottom of . i think all religion is made up old tosh but with a basis in basic history but twisted and contains stories based on astrology , mythology , scientific and spiritual principles and are ways of controlling peoples through the ages and other things but it doesnt matter what i think but i will say what does matter is that we try to get to the bottom of what true satanism is in regards to those that rule and im not sure we are going to find the answers in the torah or any bible . and if you listne to this awsome chat on redicecreations you might see were im comming from .

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/08aug/RICR-070809.html

the guy in the interview brings us very convincing evidence that us humans were geneticly created 200.000 years ago by the anunaki starting off in summa and geneticists and archiologists and others he suggests agree but are just not telling us . well i whont reinvent the weel and will leave it upto you guys to see what you think after listning .

the reason i am posting this link is so we can maybe agree or maybe not that we were indeed geneticly created so then we can establish how we realy got here and thus can then put all religious texts in thier corrects perspectives given you take the same stance as what perspires from the redice link .

i just would like to say i value greatly all religious texts and dont wish to offend anyone and i whont nock anyone for thier own beliefs even though i myself am not religious although i do believe thier is an inteligent force that pervades the whole universe . i follow the work of jordan maxwell and micheal tsarion and highly recomend thier work on religion aswell as mr ickes , they have videos on youtube and google video worth checking out for anyone not already aquainted with thier work .

anyway the point im trying to get accross , sorry about my rambling . is that if you believe we were created by the annunaki then the religious texts we have now must have came afterwards and i wonder if the annunaki also created the reptilians as credo mutwa says they are not alien and originate from this planet . if this is so then if you take into account that the reps are multidimensional might it be them who started of satanism or the worship of demons and satan or molech , is satan molech and is molech a real entity who rules the reps like a king rep ? . im well aware that satan means light bearer and other things wich are not an entity but could it not be possible that a real entity does exsist called molech . the reason i wonder is because david icke says the rulers sure are scared of something wich is ruling them from another dimension .

if this sounds like crap to you it probably is then lol but anyway this is just were my head is at rite now on this and im no expert , i just would like to see this thread keep going untill we can get as far as we can objectivly .

[astraltraveller]

just a nother few points i would like to make are .

what is the connection between the greys and thier abducting people and molech if thier is a connection that is . many who have been abducted say they have been impregnated and then give birth to a human/grey hybrid and the greys tell them that one day we will all live together as one and all be the same and the hybrids eventualy start to look human after many births and genetic manipulation . are they going to replace the human race with these with only 20% of us left after 80% is wiped out and will project bluebeam be used to project a fake seccond comming of christ to dupe the world into accepting christianity while the grey human hybrids are drafted in .

we know that satanism for the elite is the worship of energy and a sertain planet or series of planets but could thier not be more to it like could thier not be a being be involved like molech ? . maybe the cremation of care at bohemian grove is just symbolic worship and is nothing more thnan theatrics and like celebrating christmas but i cant help wondering who is at the very top of the pyramid and is he even human and even in this dimension . who ever it is david icke says that the elite are worshiping something dark and the worship of this dark energy or entity or entities is responsible for ted heaths eyes turning black .

micheal tsarion talks about the macrobes , entities in another dimension wich were discoverd when jon dee the first 007 an elizabathan astrologer and mathmatician believed to be a spy ripped open a portal to these beings and in exchange for knowledge they whanted human sacrifice . he is discussed bellow .

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/09sep/johndee.html

what are the macrobes and are the elite scared of them and do they worship them and is molech just symbolic and a way for the elte to get together and say screw you to careing about humans and is satanism just the worhip of energy and about having a philosophy were one doesnt need to give a crap about anything except for self and greed and killing and blood drinking to be able to maintain human form for the reps , is this the elites satanism and all other offshoots just for stupid people to live in fear of or to worship the devil that may not even exsist but with the manufactured weather from the HAARP antena array and manufactured lack and famine and disease that is comming with the effects of project bluebeam ,will many christians be in any doubt that the end is indeed nigh . or will the mayans 2012 come along first and upgrade our DNA and activate our light body's and bring us into the 5th dimension and save our asses or is this just a well thougt out ploy thought up a long long time ago to fool people .

[fccool]

Astraltraveler, welcome to the forum. Thanks for your insight also. I've looked into the theory of alien intervention, but it still begs the same question: Where did they come from? Did they evolve, or did somebody intervened to create them? I don't think I'll present here how noncencical for inteligent information such as DNA to evolve on its own purely by change... Nevertheless, if you think that alien interventionism is a plausable explanation (which it is) you get an endless sequence of cause and effect problem. The you are back to square 1 to try to explain how life originated on the alien planet. For something caused to exist, something essentially uncaused has to do that if you extrapolate the timeline back enough. So it's not as simple as writing a book with a title "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG". To tell you the truth, we know very little if nothing at all. I'm speaking for myself here.
Here a couple questions/issues for you to ponder about sumerians and their language. It seased to be spoken before unrelated semitic language group replaced it. If you've never seen English in your life and it was a unique, and unrelated language to anything that you've ever seen... how would you go about decifering pronunciation? So "anunaki" might as well be "tishllub" for all I know, because when left to fill in the blank, human imagination can run pretty wild. So think about thing like, how do I know stuff, and how do they know stuff? And how did the people who they've learned know stuff? And you will be amazed how much you actually accept without proper scrutiny. Did not mean to confuse you... but welcome to the board nevetheless.

[astraltraveller]

hello fccool

thanks for the welcome , very much apreciated .

the chicken and the egg , wich came first . well this is what im thinking so far . have you heard of the starwalkers , a subject william henry writes about ......

http://www.eomega.org/omega/workshops/34c1fbcf1c3134d7423342c2c20f3b61/

this theory is how i believe people have moved around from one planet to another and the first beings to visit earth may have used this tecnology . human like remains have been found embeded in rock that are millions of years old and have been found with pestil and morter and other potery so they were inteligent but to what degree who knows . but anyhow these people must have been here before the sumarians and the annunaki and atlantis and lemuria . i think that spirit allways comes first , i think we exsist as spirit beings in a higher realm and then incarnate . baring this in mind and the fact that mythalogical research from michel tsarion says that before the genetic manipulation the beings on this planet might have been multidimentional like the reptilians wich may have enabled the beings to litteraly pass from other dimensions into the physical and maybe vice versa so these first beings to inhabit earth mighnt just have litteraly like teleported themselves into the physical and would probably have traveled in thier light bodies and have been like the starwalkers . firstly the beings in the heavenly realm could have been pure conciousness and then seperation may have occured and diffrent types of beings formed in heaven from the mass of conciousness and after some agreements with each other societies could have been formed in heaven and then these beings may have decided to create other dimensions to play and experiment in and at some point made the physical plane . why is it i wonder that advanced beings like reps and aliens are able to shift in and ot of this dimension but we can not .

the savant is said to be able to utilize the portions of the brain we can not in the first link i posted and this brain portion is said to be annunaki , this to me proves that we are part annunaki because this brain portion is so highly inteligent , well i believe this for now anyway but as new research keeps comming to light we have to allways be ready to change what we think .

as for the summerian cunniform language i dont know the first thing about translating languages , ile leave that to the experts but will keep an open mind and you do have a point fccool and sitchin has caused a stir with his translating skills because some say he doesnt understand the language and has had no education in it but the language has been cracked acording to this website ....

http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Library/libs/hay/focus/cuneiform/

anyway thats my attempt at answering your questions . probably sounds a bit far fetched but oh well lol .

[fccool]

I understand where you coming from, yet... many researchers such as Tsarion, and even more "credible" ones like Stichin (who acording to one of the Icke's videos is a blood sucking reptile and satanist :)) they are left to fill in the blanks when it comes to such subjects as "the origins", "purpose", "past", "future".

So my point is not that these are incorrect... my point is that there's no way of knowing if they are correct :). Expert is a very ellusive and misleading word. How can you be an expert on in the field that is impossible to research? Origins quite francly is impossible to research due to 1) Lack of plentiful historical data 2) Lack of the unity in the historical data . You have numenrous historical accounts that contradict each other. So which one is more credible than other? What makes the legends of "anunaki" more credible than accounts of Mayans or Egiptians? To this day the Egyptian euroglyphs are only semi decyphered. To fully undrstand language, you have to have a refference. Without a refference... it's useless. It's like me deciphering chinese in a prison cell. There would be alot of filling of the blanks... BUT at the same time if chines would be a lost language, and I would be concidered a deciphering "expert"... I could tell whatever the hell I wanted and nobody would know the difference. I could simply pull stuff out of my ass. And that's my exact point. Same goes for the Brown students.

[astraltraveller]

thanks for letting me know sitchin is a satanist , i wouldnt have found out if you hadnt said perhaps . now i know for sure he is probably not credible but tsarion is in my opinion . i have been in contact with him and he seems cool .

i found this

http://www.theisticsatanism.com/Demons/JoS.html

it mentions sitchin and has given me a bit more insight on satanism by showing what they get upto . i have a lot more to learn on the matter .

anyway its time to hit the hay . thanks again dude , im realy glad you told me that .

goodnight .

[astraltraveller]

when i said i will leave translation up to the experts i wasnt refering to sitchin . i didnt know he was a satanist but now i know he is i find him a less credible source but i do think he has the basics correct and hes not the only source i have garnered info on in regards to summeria and the annunaki but i didnt bookmark those sources , but another forum member here posted this link to this book wich is credible i believe .

http://www.apollonius.net/boulay-index-en.html

from the first link i posted abouve from redicecreations it is discussed that people working with DNA say that we were indeed created and that we were created 200.000 years ago , what are the chances that the annunaki did indeed create us 200.000 years ago , its more than just coincidence it is fact in my mind but this is just my belief wich whont be swayed untill i see hard evidence to the contrary .

also i wouldnt say that sitchin is more credible that tsarion , tsarion is a paid proffessional in his feilds and he isnt a satanist wich instantly makes him more credible than sitchin in my opinion and if tsarion was just full of it i dont think he would be so popular and be asked to be a monthly guest on redicecreations and he also apeard on the sci fi channel , not that that means much but he is well respected in the research arena as he is bst buddies with jordan maxwell who is considerd to be well , ile let the people who are familiar with jordan maxwell think for themselves as maxwell needs no introduction to the die hard researcher .

the only gripe i couls say about tsarion is he has flip flopped by saying yes we will beat the nwo and at other times he has been a doomsayer saying it looks like we have all had it but i cant say this is his fault because i think we all have times when we feel we will win and then other times things dont look so positive .

peace guys

[lostinstrangeworld]

I too have been fascinated by what Credo Mutwa says in the radio interviews (which can be heard on Youtube).

As for all the definitions of what Satanism really means, all I have to say is:
"Infinite Love is the only truth- everything else is illusion".

We are here to experience life in our separate forms, the flesh. There may have been a time when all creatures lived in peace and as one, a time when our ancestors lived with 'one foot in heaven and one on earth', aware of who they truly are and tuned into the infinite at all times, even though they were simultaneously experiencing life in a 'denser' form.

What Credo Mutwa says on the 4th part of the interview on Youtube is that this is how things really were, in other words.

The Reptilian species......descendants of the being/s who committed the first 'original sin' came back to Earth again and changed all of that, so we began to see things as more and more separate; we lost our powers of telethapy and empathy (and communion with nature), bringing division, then fear (for survival) and hatred arising out of fear.......also I strongly feel that this is when our vibrational frequencies were lowered and animals, people began to kill each other for food......

And it is all just one big massive illusion!

Genetic experiment? Possibly. Trying to gather the 'true' facts together is like trying to find a needle in a haystack!

Anyone who turns to 'Satan' because they are fed up with 'God' or begin to see things differently will just continue to stay blinded by the matrix.....notice the 'tricks' of the 'ma-trix'.....;)

David Icke explains it all in those last chapters of his book 'Infinite Love is the only truth- everything else is illusion'.


The truth can be found within, not by reading or listening to anyone else. We will only begin to set ourselves free when we realize (real-eyes) this.

[revolution 9]

What I find most intriguing is that despite the fact that Icke decries Crowley as a psychotic Satanist, they both preach the exact same thing:

* We were one and came to an earthly existence, as parts of God, to experience the material
* We should do whatever we want as long as we don't hurt anyone, since Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law... and love is the law.

Seriously, I don't get it. Even down to LaVeyan Satanism much of the philosophy is the same. If Satanism is embracing yourself and material existence, how is Icke not a Satanist?

[astraltraveller]

the firdt link is a little history of the satanism the elite are into .

http://www.rense.com/general61/satanism.htm

and this is an explanation of the philosophy of some of the other types .

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/true.html

[astraltraveller]

after watching this video , if one believes the contents cant help wondering when the seccond child in it says god handed him a card and it had a picture of a man on it and then the kid reincarnated . im wondering if this is true then is god just shuffling a deck of cards and handing us one is god playing dice with our lives and if we get a card with a man on it then we incarnate as a man and if its a card with an animal or alien being then what .

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=1433

is it wise to assume we are just conciousness when we might infact be being ruled by a god who doesnt seem to give a shit and might be playing games with our lives . if thier is a god then icke has this infinite conciousness thing all wrong and we are not free to do as we please , we aint free here so why would it be any diffrent when we are dead . ickes theory is a bit like satanism too . only satanist have the upper hand because they dont give a crap about peace loving infinite conciousness types or anyone else , history has shown they will rpe bugger and kill anyone and enjoy doing it and laugh in our faces and its just going to get worse .

[lostinstrangeworld]

The whole idea of 'Satan' has nothing to do with witchcraft......Satan was invented by the Old Testament religions......Most witches know this; they do not practice 'devil' worshiping; I am not a witch, but I do feel strongly that it is a good thing to feel connected with nature......

Having said that, a lot of the 'occult' signs, etc are based on the Cabala and the ancient Egyptian religion (the cradle of 'modern' religion).....then there are the ancient Sumerian tablets which are supposedly the oldest written records (is this true?).......see, all of these religions go back to the same source.....the synchronicity in religion can be found all over the world.....and we think we are separate?!

There is no 'evil' except ignorance itself; ignorance of who we truly are; interconnected and infinite beings.........

Interconnected= LOVE

When we forget how we are interconnected because part of our senses have gone to sleep, only then does 'evil' arise. To hurt another is to hurt yourself.

Therefor......religions that teach to abstain from eating meat seem to have more of the true spirituality.......

If it were eating meat were a matter of pure survival, then it would be different. However, an empathic person would feel very remorseful at the whole act of killing; they would perform some sort of ceremony to show respect for the animal......like the Native American Indians used to.......

I believe that there are places of higher dimensional frequencies where we draw nourishment from another source- and no-one has to take life from any other creature or plant......

[lostinstrangeworld]

Fantastic quote:

Ego is no more than this: identification with form, which primarily means thought forms. If evil has any reality - and it has a relative, not absolute, reality - this is also it's definition: complete identification with form - physical forms, thought forms, emotional forms. This results in a total unawareness of my connectedness with the whole, my intrinsic oneness with every "other" as well as with the Source. This forgetfulness is original sin, suffering, delusion. When this delusion of utter seperateness underlies and governs whatever I think, say and do, what kind of world do I create? To find the answer to this, observe how humans relate to each other, read a history book, or watch the news on television tonight.

If the structures of the human mind remain unchanged, we will always end up re-creating fundamentally the same world, the same evils, the same dysfunction."

Ekhart Tolle
A New Earth

[astraltraveller]

evil has nothing whatsoever to do with ignorance acording to tsarion , it is a hysical construct of the brains mamalian gland wich comes fom the reptile wich got thier after the genetic manipulation . sup to the individual wether they believe it or not but here is a link to tsarion talking about it and ive never heard an explanation that makes so much sense myself and it ties in with the rest of what ive read and heard .

http://www.taroscopes.com/webstream/ccvideos/ccvideos.html

[lostinstrangeworld]

Words are limited; when I use the word ignorance I just mean spiritual ignorance.

When we are spiritually blind to the fact that we are all connected, when our empathy is cut off- only then are acts of 'evil' committed.

[astraltraveller]

sorry dude i didnt mean to sound like i was picking fault with what you said and i agree with you . i just whanted to throw in what tsarion says because i think its a fundimental point he makes that had the whole world known about a long time ago we probably would all be more connected and empathic .

peace dude

[lostinstrangeworld]

sorry dude .

peace dude


Are you, by any chance.....Hurley from the TV show 'Lost'? :)

[astraltraveller]

eerr no lol i dont know this guy you refer to , i have never seen the show lost . why ? , what does he do that i have done ? . i dunt get it :)

[astraltraveller]

this is what i found out about hurely ......

A man with a warm sense of humour despite the desperate situation, Hurley does his best to keep his cool as he helps those around him to survive.

dude , are you saying that i have these qualities and if so are you saying im in a desperate sittuation and you are about to kill me or is thier something more sinister a-foot .

no i am not he , i am infact the famouse auther sir arshole colon boyle .

[lostinstrangeworld]

No sweat, astraltraveller....I was merely trying to make good humor.....Humor is needed to help people get through all the seriousness of the weight of this world. The reason I said Hurley was because he always says 'dude', which I find sort of endearing, and whenever I hear people say 'dude', for some reason it automatically reminds me of him! I don't know what you are talking about when you say 'do I want you dead?', etc.....are you telling me this is what happens to Hurley?:(


Back to the topic of this thread......if you go on google search and type in 'freemasons evil', you will find some very interesting articles.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter1/realmatrix.htm

http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemason.html

[astraltraveller]

hello lostinstrangworld


i knew you was just having fun dude :), i just am not familliar with that tv show ive heard of it but not seen it . i just whanted to know what you meant because i didnt get the joke is all and was hoping you could explain wich you have so thanks . ive been on the net about 8 years but ive hardly made any posts anywere and am not sure how people like to be addressed but me and my real life buddies say mate or dude or names not fir for some ears like if you have ever heard peter cook and dudly moore they say hello c*** lol .

here is a pete n dud song called LS bumble bee wich you might like if you like shroomies and the like .

chill baby the bee is comming , i smell with my feet and hear with my nose , my dick is a stick and my arse is a rose . well it goes something like that anyway .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N79oPtk-WiI

no i didnt mean hurely dies dude , i was just joking and thought you might be saying your gonna kick my arse or something , what you said whent woosh over my head , i just didnt get it but i try not to watch too much tv but have it on as company and then listne to talksport radio through the tv at night .

anywhoo im gonna check out your links now and try typing in search freemason evil .

peace dude :D

[astraltraveller]

lostinstrangworld

thanks for those links , ive only read one so far but will continue researching this . i just whaned to post something ive been thinking for a while.

before the reps got here and inflicted themselvs on the people of the earth and geeticly created the adamic race and the eves would i be rite in saying thier was no belieff in a satan or devil ? , i think so but if anyone has info to the contrary please correct me . what i am thinking is , the annunaki ruler enki would have died at some time unless he were immortal ? . what im sugesting is , if enki died or one of the other top serpent rulers well when enki for aguments sake died did he yhen become satan and be in another dimension and be worshipped as satan by people and lower reptilians in the physicle . this seems to make sense ,well for now anyway . it makes sense that a race of beings who had lost its greatest leader would whant to carry on worshipping the great leader even after death . i am only guessing at this but if anyone can correct me please do .


happy trails

[lostinstrangeworld]

Well, hopefully we'll find out in Time.

Thanks, dude;)

[eternal_spirit]

You god damn right i will amplify my position.

You come in here pasting all kinds a crap from the book of yahweh and his scriptures and your findings. May it fall at your side be it you actually sit there and type up all this crap. Its a whole lot of nothing mate.

I am getting the feeling you are a preacher man?
your words are falling on deaf ears my friend. although i will gratitude you thus. if you truely believe yourself and this gamble, then more power to you!

............

LOl too funny :D Where the fuck are you ashyr? been waiting for you're 666 post, you said it will be a good one.

[davy26]

Does anyone know the specifics of the actual rituals these people do? How many are in attendance? Does that number signify anything? Why do they pick certain children? From what I have read, the blood is much more than a high for these people, which is why they pick certain children with certain DNA, not all the time, But its all so confusing.

Also I have read that during many of these rituals, they have these children participate in the rituals? Meaning help kill, etc etc, Why? I have read they make some of these children drink the blood, or perform some type of blood baptism? Why? Whats the purpose of that?

[marpat]

I think it depends on who you talk to. Some people will say that it is a follow of the biblical satan, somewill say it is a person who rebels against christianity, and christians will say that it is anybody who practise any form of magic whatsoever.

[drael]

Modern satanism has little to do with christian mythology (althought there are some conections).

There are two great brotherhoods. The white and black brotherhood. They passed down the "magickal" secrets from the original golden civilisation (where such was mere science). These secret societies changed somewhat over time, but they maintained traditions by reviving older lines of practice and by word of mouth teaching.

The black brotherhood, otherwise known as the left hand path also sometimes go under the name of satanists. In the public lore, satanism is merely another word for black magick and more common, so is mostly used to describe the black arts teaching. However, rarely do these people worship satan.

The do pratice sacrifice and other unethical magick rituals. The philosophy is mainly ego-centred. Worship of the self/godhood. For more info, search "temple of set", its a good example.

Of course there are plenty here who think black magick rituals and abuse/harassments are to do with mind control and psychology, not actual magick based religion. IMO at least some of this type of behaviour is intended to be either intitiatory, or psychosis producing - when its more a mind-bending harassment, than an actual ritual.

There is plenty of info on the beleifs of the ptb, if one looks in the right place. They are mentioned extensively in a magickal sense in the emerald tablets of thoth (although is hard to read language). There is some mention of the dark path in crowley, and in the law of one channellings. The temple of set is a good example of the left-hand philosophy.

One can realise the magickal nature of the ptb's religion when one looks at the history of the secret societies. Those connected with power, like the masons have their sacred mystical stamp on everything, from buildings, to symbols in movies and on tv, the us $1 bill. A look at the sacred numerology of the US $1 bill or the washington white house area is revealing to anyone who knows numerology -good proof that mysticism/magick and power are intertwined. When one grasps all these connections, and also look at the mystic texts for history - it is very clear black magicians run our world (IMO).

[ichi wa zen]

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