Lucifer's Rebellion Gains Momentum

[sukyspook]

I'm well aware that there are many on this forum who don't believe that the battle we are in is fundamentally a spiritual one. Most laugh at the name of God, more so at the thoughts of Satan/Lucifer.

However, after 8 years of ongoing research into well, just about everything, for me there is no denying the existence of absolute evil and the potential for goodness on this planet.

Henry Makow knows this too - that's two of us lol - no, there are millions who 'know' too.

This is Henry's latest article and I urge you all to read it and at least consider the bizarre events of just this past week and what might be behind it all. Also, if you haven't already seen the links to the mp3's and webpage below Henry's article, BE WARNED - this is a very deep spiritual rabbit hole that we are in:


Lucifer's Rebellion Gains Momentum

April 30, 2009

The Hate from the State

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Little by little, the Illuminati bankers are dropping their mask and revealing the evil agenda behind current events. What is called "progressive" and "liberal" is in fact satanic. What is called "revolution" is aimed at overthrowing God --the natural and spiritual (moral) order-- and replacing Him with dictates of devil worshipers, the Rothschilds and their lackeys.

When we read about "Hate Laws" that protect pedophiles, sex education for five-year-olds, the promotion of homosexuality to heterosexuals, we must see them in spiritual context, as the Luciferian overthrow of all that is natural, healthy, true and good, turning the world upside down, i.e. "revolution."

When we hear about pig flu, let's keep our focus on the big picture. We are infected by a more serious and widespread cancer, satanism, under the guises of communism, liberalism, socialism, zionism, fascism, feminism and globalism. Luciferianism permeates society in the form of materialism, naturalism, occultism, obscenity, sadism, violence, pornography and promiscuity.

No coincidence that Obama asks that Christian symbolism be covered when he speaks. Can you imagine him making the same request at a Jewish or homosexual venue? Obama's own symbolism is Illuminati, reminiscent of the Lucis (Lucifer)Trust. All our leaders covertly signal their true loyalty to Lucifer.

EXTREME

These claims are extreme. I wouldn't make them if they weren't literally true. Reread my account of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of Illuminati insider Chaim Rakover (a.k.a Christian Rakovsky.) This man was a founder of the Comintern and Soviet President of the Ukraine, and ambassador to Paris. He says the Illuminati bankers (i.e. Rothschild syndicate) have infinite wealth and now want absolute power.

They created the Communist state as a "machine of total power" unprecedented in history. In the past, due to many factors, "there was always room for individual freedom. Do you understand that those who already partially rule over nations and worldly governments have pretensions to absolute domination? Understand that this is the only thing which they have not yet reached."

The aim of the Revolution is no less than to redefine reality in terms of their interests and Cabalist beliefs. This involves the promotion of subjective truth over objective truth. If Lenin "feels something to be real" then it is real. "For him every reality, every truth was relative in the face of the sole and absolute one: the revolution."

In other words, white is black and evil is good. Homosexuality which specialists agree is usually a developmental disorder is now something everyone should try. Teachers who protest are fired. Babies who survive abortions are left to die and thrown out with the trash. Obama approves. People who protest the Zionist slaughter of Palestinian women and children lose their jobs.

The Illuminati bankers financed intellectuals who recommended ways to weaken society to accept their tyranny. In a perceptive article, "The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt," Timothy Mathews lists their recommendations, made over 50 years ago. How many do you recognize?

1. The creation of racism offenses.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud's idea of 'pansexualism' - the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women. To further their aims they would deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.

The School believed there were two types of revolution: (a) political and (b) cultural. Cultural revolution demolishes from within. 'Modern forms of subjection are marked by mildness'. They saw it as a long-term project and kept their sights clearly focused on the family, education, media, sex and popular culture.

BRINGING IT HOME

Since the Illuminati bankers control the mass media, political parties and education, it is not an exaggeration to say society is under mortal attack by its putative leaders. This attack is felt every day.

Let me extrapolate from a small example. The Student's Association at the local university has been dominated by homosexuals and feminists for years. They are holding a Prom on May 8.
Except it is called an "Anti-Prom" and like homosexuality itself, it is a parody of heterosexuality.

"Come as you aren't!" the poster exhorts us. "Dress-up, down, drag, hairy or famous. the stranger the better." An "Anti-King" and "Anti-Queen" will be chosen. BELOW A PICTURE OF MARILYN MONROE, THERE IS A BARELY VISIBLE PICTURE OF A VICIOUS, SNARLING GORILLA.

This University (of Winnipeg) doesn't have a normal Prom. There are few if any heterosexual dances. This is a small example of the toxic environment in which 97% of the population (heterosexuals) now live. Yet, exposed to this government-sponsored, homosexual hatred and hostility, we are expected to exude benevolence and "tolerance" to them, or face public censure.

Another example: I have been reliably informed that local high schools are no longer allowed to set deadlines for assignments. It is felt this does not test the students abilities. Hello? It teaches self-discipline, something our masters apparently don't want young people to have. In my school district, the largest in the city, the Chairman of the School Board is a 29-year-old shop teacher (i.e. woodwork, auto mechanics.) This is how little the community cares or understands about education.


CONCLUSION

Since the so-called "Enlightenment," (as in Lucifer the light-bringer) Western civilization has been based on a denial of God, i.e. Truth, Love and Goodness, and an assertion of man's (i.e. the Illuminati banker's) divinity and right to redefine reality. Modernity is nothing but the neuroses, dysfunction and dissatisfaction created by this solipsistic delusion.

Culture and true civilization are founded on using our spiritual ideals to refine our baser instincts. This is what defines us as human, "gentle" men, civilized. Luciferianism aims to "liberate" us from self-restraint, i.e. self-discipline. It glorifies the animal and rejects the human. Why? Because the Illuminati bankers see us as their cattle, born to serve them. According to Jordan Maxwell, we are branded at birth like livestock. (The number is on our birth certificate.)

We are under a relentless occult psychological barrage. Part is the suggestion that to defend our rights and values is somehow bigoted and "hateful." We have been subjugated by witting and unwitting servants of Lucifer, human demons, sell-outs and traitors. We must resist in every way we can.

http://www.henrymakow.com/luciferian_revolution_reaches.html

WARNING - If you haven't considered that satan/satanism is VERY real - please be warned that this information goes into great detail about it:

hour 1 Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr1.mp3

hour 2 Jeff and Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr2.mp3

Tim's accompanying webpage: BE WARNED - it's a very deep and disturbing rabbit hole!:

http://www.mindovermatter.ru/RVScience/supernaturalspirit/rense_radio_show.html

[apekteina lordosis]

has there ever been a time on this planet when there has been total peace and freedom? with no disrespect to anyone who has faith in "god" life when the church ruled life was hardly liberated, if anything it was just as repressive as things are now, the difference is consumerism has given many people an illusion of choice, which they equate to freedom.

i think the key to all this is that the identity of "god" changes, and what many people fail to realise is that "they" are basically extra-terrestrials who originate from a star system that developed far before our own did. and just as there are power struggles on earth there are power struggles amongst the stars in sky above us.

as for good and evil well they are manmade notions. a monkey in the jungle doesn't pay rent for the tree it swings from, a lion doesn't pay a supermarket for the meat it eats. sure humans have the ability to reason but how can we do that impartially when for so very long we've had either organised religions and/or the state indocrinating us with their versions of right and wrong behaviour? sexual urges are entirely natural, what perverts them is the snowball over generations of other people decreeing what is good and bad sexual behaviour aka repression.

ultimately all people want is a roof over their head, food in their bellies, medical care when required and the freedom to do what they want provided it doesn't impinge on the right of other people to live their lives with the same freedom. and sure, in return for that people must contribute some of their time, skill and effort to maintaining that equation. it's not much to try and achieve, and the fact on a global level we've never had that adequately illustrates that the "god" of recent times ain't benevolent. and what sort of incentive is "eternal life" anyways? is that not a bit selfish? shouldn't we try to make the best of our the life we have? course it is hard to make the best of that when "god" indocrinators and their many legions of believers inhibit others potential.

[sardonicus]

Hi Sukyspook,

Is there a way to get the 2 hours of
the Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat program
to download as MP3 please?

[sukyspook]

has there ever been a time on this planet when there has been total peace and freedom? with no disrespect to anyone who has faith in "god" life when the church ruled life was hardly liberated, if anything it was just as repressive as things are now, the difference is consumerism has given many people an illusion of choice, which they equate to freedom.

i think the key to all this is that the identity of "god" changes, and what many people fail to realise is that "they" are basically extra-terrestrials who originate from a star system that developed far before our own did. and just as there are power struggles on earth there are power struggles amongst the stars in sky above us.

as for good and evil well they are manmade notions. a monkey in the jungle doesn't pay rent for the tree it swings from, a lion doesn't pay a supermarket for the meat it eats. sure humans have the ability to reason but how can we do that impartially when for so very long we've had either organised religions and/or the state indocrinating us with their versions of right and wrong behaviour? sexual urges are entirely natural, what perverts them is the snowball over generations of other people decreeing what is good and bad sexual behaviour aka repression.

ultimately all people want is a roof over their head, food in their bellies, medical care when required and the freedom to do what they want provided it doesn't impinge on the right of other people to live their lives with the same freedom. and sure, in return for that people must contribute some of their time, skill and effort to maintaining that equation. it's not much to try and achieve, and the fact on a global level we've never had that adequately illustrates that the "god" of recent times ain't benevolent. and what sort of incentive is "eternal life" anyways? is that not a bit selfish? shouldn't we try to make the best of our the life we have? course it is hard to make the best of that when "god" indocrinators and their many legions of believers inhibit others potential.

Jordan Maxwell refers to 'God' as the "Divine force in the universe that some men call God".

A "lower-based chakra" mindset has seized control of 'the airwaves' on this planet - some of us call this 'mindset' Satan/Lucifer/Baal and a myriad other names - they are demonic/satanic entities which Aleister Crowley wrote - and I read this very morning - are created from various parts of our own brain/mind....but these entities can become 'real' when evoked through satanic/luciferian rituals using sigils, blood and other bodily fluids.... In the Bible, Satan is known as the 'prince of the power of the air' and this is a great passage about him:

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I think that pretty much sums up those who are currently waging psych/physical and spritual war upon the entire human race.....and in discovering this satanic/demonic 'realm' - I realised that there really is a Creator...- 'they' know it too which is why they haven't just walked COMPLETELY all over us. 'They' need us to fall into their traps as then they can't be directly blamed for our continually living in a 'fallen' state...

This 'mindset' is selfish and wishes to impose its will upon humanity, replacing 'goodness'. It does this through keeping humanity in FEAR instead of Love - but I'm sure you know that as here you're on this forum!

The 'base chakra' which these 'entities' exist within is amply illustrated by their worship of obelisks and other symbols - check out the 'T' in Tau upon a masonic apron; Two ball cane....; the hammer - which all represent the male 'member'.

There is no need for anyone on this planet to starve, go without water, be constantly invaded/bombed,. For "stock markets" to crash or 911/777's to happen.... No need for swine/bird 'flu'; GM food or factory farming etc etc etc but this is the agenda being pursued and imposed on the rest of us by this satanic/materialistic mindset.

Those who have hijacked 'the system' need to be removed - imo we need to get out of the system which was deliberately set up to enslave us - see John Harris over at www.tpuc.org and Rob Menard over at the Freeman on the Land section on this forum.

Imo, if we live in harmony with nature and take care of each other - this is the closest we can get to 'knowing' God.

No one is going to come out of the sky and save us so I'm under no illusion about that kind of 'God'. We have to get on and first of all save ourselves spiritually/mentally then physically and then help others to hopefully understand the spiritual aspect of our enslavement - at least those of us who 'know' God need His help to be saved - you have to experience this to understand it imo - it's a spiritual vibration for want of a better phrase...

Also imo, God cannot be found in any church, synagogue, mosque or temple.....but he can be found right where you are sitting now, within your very heart and soul - just 'ask'.

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=ask+and+it+shall+be+given&qs_version=9

As Henry Makow knows, God is very unpopular and not by accident. If people lived closer to and in harmony with The Creation they might 'get' what God really is....until many more of us know and understand this concept, AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE, the conditions you described will continue to be 'the reality' upon this planet.

[sukyspook]

Hi Sukyspook,

Is there a way to get the 2 hours of
the Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat program
to download as MP3 please?

Hi Sardonicus

It's good that the little player thing comes up but I always try to keep the page addy then I can go back later if the link fails so it's a pain in that instance.

I'll give it a shot - I've just removed 'mp3' (no brackets of course) from the end.....let's see if it works - just type mp3 on the end then right click, save as as usual:


p1
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr1.

p2
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr2.

[sukyspook]

Hi Sardonicus

It's good that the little player thing comes up but I always try to keep the page addy then I can go back later if the link fails so it's a pain in that instance.

I'll give it a shot - I've just removed 'mp3' (no brackets of course) from the end.....let's see if it works - just type mp3 on the end then right click, save as as usual:


p1
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr1.

p2
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr2.


Sardonicus - try right clicking then 'properties' on the two links I just posted - the link comes up when I just did it.....

[sukyspook]

Sorry Sardi - that's not right....I'll go to the gym for an hour and get back to having 'worked out' (geddit lolol) how to do it....failing that - see if you can access the links from the subscriber's page - they're near the bottom of the page on 28th:

http://renseradio.com/Archives1/MP309.php

You might not be allowed on there as I'm a subscriber but it's worth a try.

Good luck and lemme know how you go.

Suke

[leviathanstaar]

I'm unhappy with how much material I viewed at that website before then seeing the section:

'burn your enemies in hell service', charging money (often refered to as the needle money)

[miracles]

I'm well aware that there are many on this forum who don't believe that the battle we are in is fundamentally a spiritual one. Most laugh at the name of God, more so at the thoughts of Satan/Lucifer.

However, after 8 years of ongoing research into well, just about everything, for me there is no denying the existence of absolute evil and the potential for goodness on this planet.

Henry Makow knows this too - that's two of us lol - no, there are millions who 'know' too.

This is Henry's latest article and I urge you all to read it and at least consider the bizarre events of just this past week and what might be behind it all. Also, if you haven't already seen the links to the mp3's and webpage below Henry's article, BE WARNED - this is a very deep spiritual rabbit hole that we are in:


Lucifer's Rebellion Gains Momentum

April 30, 2009

The Hate from the State

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Little by little, the Illuminati bankers are dropping their mask and revealing the evil agenda behind current events. What is called "progressive" and "liberal" is in fact satanic. What is called "revolution" is aimed at overthrowing God --the natural and spiritual (moral) order-- and replacing Him with dictates of devil worshipers, the Rothschilds and their lackeys.

When we read about "Hate Laws" that protect pedophiles, sex education for five-year-olds, the promotion of homosexuality to heterosexuals, we must see them in spiritual context, as the Luciferian overthrow of all that is natural, healthy, true and good, turning the world upside down, i.e. "revolution."

When we hear about pig flu, let's keep our focus on the big picture. We are infected by a more serious and widespread cancer, satanism, under the guises of communism, liberalism, socialism, zionism, fascism, feminism and globalism. Luciferianism permeates society in the form of materialism, naturalism, occultism, obscenity, sadism, violence, pornography and promiscuity.

No coincidence that Obama asks that Christian symbolism be covered when he speaks. Can you imagine him making the same request at a Jewish or homosexual venue? Obama's own symbolism is Illuminati, reminiscent of the Lucis (Lucifer)Trust. All our leaders covertly signal their true loyalty to Lucifer.

EXTREME

These claims are extreme. I wouldn't make them if they weren't literally true. Reread my account of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of Illuminati insider Chaim Rakover (a.k.a Christian Rakovsky.) This man was a founder of the Comintern and Soviet President of the Ukraine, and ambassador to Paris. He says the Illuminati bankers (i.e. Rothschild syndicate) have infinite wealth and now want absolute power.

They created the Communist state as a "machine of total power" unprecedented in history. In the past, due to many factors, "there was always room for individual freedom. Do you understand that those who already partially rule over nations and worldly governments have pretensions to absolute domination? Understand that this is the only thing which they have not yet reached."

The aim of the Revolution is no less than to redefine reality in terms of their interests and Cabalist beliefs. This involves the promotion of subjective truth over objective truth. If Lenin "feels something to be real" then it is real. "For him every reality, every truth was relative in the face of the sole and absolute one: the revolution."

In other words, white is black and evil is good. Homosexuality which specialists agree is usually a developmental disorder is now something everyone should try. Teachers who protest are fired. Babies who survive abortions are left to die and thrown out with the trash. Obama approves. People who protest the Zionist slaughter of Palestinian women and children lose their jobs.

The Illuminati bankers financed intellectuals who recommended ways to weaken society to accept their tyranny. In a perceptive article, "The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt," Timothy Mathews lists their recommendations, made over 50 years ago. How many do you recognize?

1. The creation of racism offenses.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud's idea of 'pansexualism' - the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women. To further their aims they would deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.

The School believed there were two types of revolution: (a) political and (b) cultural. Cultural revolution demolishes from within. 'Modern forms of subjection are marked by mildness'. They saw it as a long-term project and kept their sights clearly focused on the family, education, media, sex and popular culture.

BRINGING IT HOME

Since the Illuminati bankers control the mass media, political parties and education, it is not an exaggeration to say society is under mortal attack by its putative leaders. This attack is felt every day.

Let me extrapolate from a small example. The Student's Association at the local university has been dominated by homosexuals and feminists for years. They are holding a Prom on May 8.
Except it is called an "Anti-Prom" and like homosexuality itself, it is a parody of heterosexuality.

"Come as you aren't!" the poster exhorts us. "Dress-up, down, drag, hairy or famous. the stranger the better." An "Anti-King" and "Anti-Queen" will be chosen. BELOW A PICTURE OF MARILYN MONROE, THERE IS A BARELY VISIBLE PICTURE OF A VICIOUS, SNARLING GORILLA.

This University (of Winnipeg) doesn't have a normal Prom. There are few if any heterosexual dances. This is a small example of the toxic environment in which 97% of the population (heterosexuals) now live. Yet, exposed to this government-sponsored, homosexual hatred and hostility, we are expected to exude benevolence and "tolerance" to them, or face public censure.

Another example: I have been reliably informed that local high schools are no longer allowed to set deadlines for assignments. It is felt this does not test the students abilities. Hello? It teaches self-discipline, something our masters apparently don't want young people to have. In my school district, the largest in the city, the Chairman of the School Board is a 29-year-old shop teacher (i.e. woodwork, auto mechanics.) This is how little the community cares or understands about education.


CONCLUSION

Since the so-called "Enlightenment," (as in Lucifer the light-bringer) Western civilization has been based on a denial of God, i.e. Truth, Love and Goodness, and an assertion of man's (i.e. the Illuminati banker's) divinity and right to redefine reality. Modernity is nothing but the neuroses, dysfunction and dissatisfaction created by this solipsistic delusion.

Culture and true civilization are founded on using our spiritual ideals to refine our baser instincts. This is what defines us as human, "gentle" men, civilized. Luciferianism aims to "liberate" us from self-restraint, i.e. self-discipline. It glorifies the animal and rejects the human. Why? Because the Illuminati bankers see us as their cattle, born to serve them. According to Jordan Maxwell, we are branded at birth like livestock. (The number is on our birth certificate.)

We are under a relentless occult psychological barrage. Part is the suggestion that to defend our rights and values is somehow bigoted and "hateful." We have been subjugated by witting and unwitting servants of Lucifer, human demons, sell-outs and traitors. We must resist in every way we can.

http://www.henrymakow.com/luciferian_revolution_reaches.html

WARNING - If you haven't considered that satan/satanism is VERY real - please be warned that this information goes into great detail about it:

hour 1 Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr1.mp3

hour 2 Jeff and Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr2.mp3

Tim's accompanying webpage: BE WARNED - it's a very deep and disturbing rabbit hole!:

http://www.mindovermatter.ru/RVScience/supernaturalspirit/rense_radio_show.html


Dude that site gave me the creeps, selling magic spells? What the?

[runciter]

rebellion against the god of the old testament is a moral duty, he was the god of war and segregation.

the new world order is nothing but the realization of his wishes.

[motleyhoo]

Makes sense on the surface until you understand that the Christianity he is basing this on is in itself a sham. The whole ideas of Hell and Satan are human contrusts invented by men in the 14th century who were seeking beurocratic power and control. What better way to control the people than by turning their religion into a system of reward vs the ultimate punishment. It was the biggest psy-op operation in mankind's history. The very idea of worshipping a book as if it were God itself is so counter-intuitive to my basic instinct that I cannot fathom the level of brainwashing that has gone for so long.

Oh, there is a war between good and evil alright, but there is nothing supernatural about it. The problem isn't Satan or any other boogeyman we can use to blame our frailties on. The problem is human beings as a species are totally fucked up. We have been killing each other, raping, stealing, lying, cheating, and hurting each other since the dawn of homo sapiens, and even before when we were closer to chimps.

[white knight]

There is a much bigger process occuring here at this time.

The Illuminati and all their mis-guided minions are in for a surprise. They will be caught off-guard at the worst possible time....they always are. :)

Rest assured, the buck does eventually stop with God, there is no getting around this.

The Illuminati are not exposing themselves, we are!

The light will shine on them and everything in creation and the everyone will see for themselves the the illusions and the truths.

These evil dumbf*cks have no idea what they are doing but even if they read this and believed it, it would make no difference to their ultimate demise.

They feel it creeping up on them, just like their tyranny has been slowly creeping up on this planet, they will all be exposed as the gutless greed-driven coachroaches they are and the remaining one's will run knowing full well they have absolutely no chance against us, God's light!

It may get ugly, it may get tough but the end result has already occurred, it's just a matter of "time".

Lucifer can do all it likes to no avail, for it is against creation in all its forms. So shall it become formless and disappear from our reality and all other realities in it's quest to create it's own disillusioned reality.

My message to all evil thought forms: YOU CANNOT DESTROY CREATION, FOR CREATION IS ALL THERE IS!!!

[romas]

Makes sense on the surface until you understand that the Christianity he is basing this on is in itself a sham. The whole ideas of Hell and Satan are human contrusts invented by men in the 14th century who were seeking beurocratic power and control. What better way to control the people than by turning their religion into a system of reward vs the ultimate punishment. It was the biggest psy-op operation in mankind's history. The very idea of worshipping a book as if it were God itself is so counter-intuitive to my basic instinct that I cannot fathom the level of brainwashing that has gone for so long.

Oh, there is a war between good and evil alright, but there is nothing supernatural about it. The problem isn't Satan or any other boogeyman we can use to blame our frailties on. The problem is human beings as a species are totally fucked up. We have been killing each other, raping, stealing, lying, cheating, and hurting each other since the dawn of homo sapiens, and even before when we were closer to chimps.




Precisely, this guy is "borrowing" old information from various sources, wrapping it up with some fear-mongering and selling it to brainwashed Christians. It's an old tactic to get some energy($).

I've tried to read his articles, they are naive at best when it comes to world view, catering to uneducated or so called lowest common denominator. Baseless labels and solutions for 5.95$

[sukyspook]

Dude that site gave me the creeps, selling magic spells? What the?

Never mind the 'consumables' - READ THE INFO - ALL FOR FREE!!

I've often wondered at the bizarre stuff Tim sells - none of which I would ever get involved in - EVER.

However, 'they' believe in this stuff and use it against US.

[runciter]

the problem with lucy is that he's still working for his daddy, yahweh/satan.

[mountain]

Hello dear, Suky!

Thanks for posting this, excellent!

I personally believe in a Creator, the source of all love so to speak. We are a divine creation sharing the very essence of the Creator and possibly we have the same potential as this source because we are all love. Those bloodlines that seek to control and harness love, the planet and its creatures, there is a major distortion in their vibration and essence that can be seriously damaging to the universe as a whole.

From my understanding, their actions on Earth and their plans for a revised Old World Order will come to a halt - this is a free will universe and when people realise they are free, which is happening now on a large and growing scale, the Luciferian agenda will inevitably fail as it is doing now.

They need to either accept the love and All That Is and become it rather than fight it or they will perish as they continue to dim themselves out. This is why they place symbols of the sun and various others around us so that we can subconciously create a false 'illuminated' status for them which is a very strong spell and it has worked but not for much longer.

Like Icke stated in his books, once you notice the things that are hidden from you (subliminals, addictives in food) they can no longer affect on you. To me people can reprogram themselves and I believe that its happening and its subtle but if you quiet yourself, you can see it and hear it. So dear Suky, you are right, there is a definitive spiritual experience taking place right now.

Most important, I feel we should eliminate the terms 'elite' and 'Illuminati' from our vocabulary when discussing these dark souls. I know I have termed them that myself but I will began to not use them anymore. Words are very powerful just have a read at Masaru Emoto's water books. They are not the sun, nor are they illuminated. Its quite the contrary, they are like the grey dark clouds that hide our sun.

In the end, I believe they do what they do and play their part so that we can realise our full potential so that they too, can learn from us and accept love and become it.

[ronisron]

I like Henry's rantings for the most part... but the hangups he has with religion, hell, heaven The "Satanists" etc, are a bit boorish. The Satanists are on offshoot of the same group who used to demand human sacrifice at certain times of the year for their ritual magick and appeasement of ancient deities. They predate Christianity, so combining the age old with the new is just how they get the sacrifices they need. Very negative energy they've been throwing at us for aeons.

The reason Biblical prophecies appear to be coming "true", especially concerning war, famine and pestilence, is because of the fact that the same people who wrote the Bible, have desendants who are still part of that secret group, and are currently manipulating events as they were meant to do, as it was laid out hundreds of years ago. Those "prophecies" are part of their plan. As they unfold, it affects those who believe in Christianity as just being God's will, we brought it on ourselves, etc, as they were taught.

Christianity is a religion that has a history of forcing people to convert. Many people were tortured, murdered, and antagonized into accepting Christianity and Jesus as their God. People then passed it on to their children so that they would be spared and learn to live with the new rules. Not just the Crusades, but recent history when European settlers invaded North america, and forced Natives to convert. Also the African people who were brought over to be sold into slavery, they brought their own music, history and religious beliefs -- they were forced to convert to a new belief system, and keep their own beliefs hidden or quiet. Not to mention countries in South america, the Caribbean... they all have histories, rituals and beliefs that predate Christianity. Christianity and all it's offshoots are harsh systems of control. The Catholic Church is nothing but a front for ongoing ritualistic abuse, particularly of children. How many pedophilic priests, bishops, cardinals etc would it take to convince you if you don't believe it already??

God, or the life force that is in every living thing, is for everyone to enjoy, and does not have a religious preference, gender or breed preference, country or continental preference -- it just IS. And so are we. We are part of God and every living thing. Universal.

[sukyspook]

Hello dear, Suky!

Thanks for posting this, excellent!

I personally believe in a Creator, the source of all love so to speak. We are a divine creation sharing the very essence of the Creator and possibly we have the same potential as this source because we are all love. Those bloodlines that seek to control and harness love, the planet and its creatures, there is a major distortion in their vibration and essence that can be seriously damaging to the universe as a whole.

From my understanding, their actions on Earth and their plans for a revised Old World Order will come to a halt - this is a free will universe and when people realise they are free, which is happening now on a large and growing scale, the Luciferian agenda will inevitably fail as it is doing now.

They need to either accept the love and All That Is and become it rather than fight it or they will perish as they continue to dim themselves out. This is why they place symbols of the sun and various others around us so that we can subconciously create a false 'illuminated' status for them which is a very strong spell and it has worked but not for much longer.

Like Icke stated in his books, once you notice the things that are hidden from you (subliminals, addictives in food) they can no longer affect on you. To me people can reprogram themselves and I believe that its happening and its subtle but if you quiet yourself, you can see it and hear it. So dear Suky, you are right, there is a definitive spiritual experience taking place right now.

Most important, I feel we should eliminate the terms 'elite' and 'Illuminati' from our vocabulary when discussing these dark souls. I know I have termed them that myself but I will began to not use them anymore. Words are very powerful just have a read at Masaru Emoto's water books. They are not the sun, nor are they illuminated. Its quite the contrary, they are like the grey dark clouds that hide our sun.

In the end, I believe they do what they do and play their part so that we can realise our full potential so that they too, can learn from us and accept love and become it.

Perfectly put Mountain - perfect!!

I was just perusing Tim Rifat's Rense page and came across these paras again which are particularly pertinent:

"Could there be a remote influence or, as the satanists say, a magic spell that actually makes them accept damnation? (This can also be delivered though the electronic media, the electronic power grid and the coming digital tv will provide all kinds of further opportunities to influence human behaviour and emotional and physical well-being.)"


"We are following the satanic plan. We can now see why there has to be a depression because the occult ritual has actually brought about a depression so we know the satanic bankers have been working towards a depression. After that, we have these dark energy matter beings, these demons which the Rothschilds and the satanists seem to worship and we know that, in order to collapse quantum wave functions, we need hyperinfinity which is the iron in the blood. Blood is made in the marrow of the bones, so the bones are actually the repositories in humans for this hyperinfinity. So if you want, as the satanists do, to put demons into human bodies, i.e. kick out your soul and put in another soul, then you have to burn a lot of bones, spill a lot of blood in order to allow this giant ritual, after the depression (which originated in Dresden where half a million people were sacrificed), but if they can get into the billion, the satanist Rothschilds and bankers can perform the ritual to achieve their aims."


"According to people like Tex Marrs, they wish to put 200 million demons, dark energy matter beings, into humans. This means they would then have these devils, demons, dark energy matter beings in human bodies who would act for the elite - the elite, one can posit, are these beings in the first place i.e. not actually human – because the satanic rituals they go through drives out the human part of them and allows them to be possessed so they can do these satanic things in the first place which is what the Abramelin Ritual is all about which is what the occultists spend six months doing to make them into a magus. So they need to spill loads of blood and vaporise and blow up lots of bones. They’ve already started this: 5 million in Iraq and Afghanistan but one knows the end result of this ritual is WW3 where they sacrifice millions. Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons. We lost 50 million in WW2 and this one is going to be even more “productive”. Now we can see why, not only do they want war to use as an occult ritual to possess humans and allow dark energy vermin to push out the souls of human and put themselves in, it's called possession. If you’ve seen “The Exorcist” and other films, these are examples. You might not believe in it but the Rothschilds and the satanists certainly do believe in it and, the ability to kick out the soul of people and inserting a possessing demon, allows you to rule absolutely and very easily because everyone is then reading from the same prayer sheet, or rather, anti-Christ prayer sheet."

'They' can only achieve all of the above if we remain in the 'beast = 666 = cattle/goyim' state - which is exactly the state 'they' like us to merely 'exist' in..... 'They' thrive on our pain, misery and 'lack' so don't let them have it!

Aim to raise your frequency - from your heart as Mountain obviously knows too - and even if you don't 'get it' - if you live in unconditional love, with compassion and empathy and with peace in your own heart then this is the vibration that can AND WILL change the world for the better and is how you will get to understand Creation and our place in it.

It really doesn't have to be like this but it's for each one of us to live how we'd like this life to really be!!

[apekteina lordosis]

Imo, if we live in harmony with nature and take care of each other - this is the closest we can get to 'knowing' God.


i agree to an extent, the issue is living in harmony with nature is practically impossible these days and in past times too. for far too long there have been landowners and landlords and the concept of money that was further perverted by promissory notes and the perpetuation of (fractional reverse) banking. the only difference between the past and the present is that all things have changed hands from organised religion to corporations. old world order/new world order- the only difference is those at the helm have changed.

this is the issue, we were being shitted on before and "change" is going to shit on us as well. having the "church" and the "law" tell us what we can and can't do is the same thing essentially. it creates the illusion that people are unable to behave postively to other people and crucially covers over the fact that hundreds of years of organised religious indocrination coupled with "money" and the laws that keep us binded to them is the thing that has warped humanity. however the old world order ain't gonna give up the reins just like that, so they may well be creating all sorts of shit to try and stop a new world order arising and vice versa, and the questions are, ultimately which one would be closer to bringing us back to being closer to nature? and do we really need any sort of "order" what-so-ever in our lives?

our current infrastructure that keeps the world sort of turning would have to be completely removed or adapted in order for their to be no "order". and if that were to happen overnight most of us would end up dying. and that is what annoys me about the conspiracy scene, no one seems to be able to get it together to agree on a third way which is neither old or new "world" order.

perhaps when enough people start to reject both, the old and the new, and start to believe in themselves and each other rather than have others tell them what they can and can't think, say and do, well perhaps "god" will lend a hand but then again giving us all life in its view might be a hand enough...

[romas]

God, or the life force that is in every living thing, is for everyone to enjoy, and does not have a religious preference, gender or breed preference, country or continental preference -- it just IS. And so are we. We are part of God and every living thing. Universal.


Yep you know the perfect Bible hook

"I am alpha and omega the beginning and the end"

The reason it's perfect, because it's true imo. Rest is just ranting of some old fundamentalists.

[ronisron]

Yep you know the perfect Bible hook

"I am alpha and omega the beginning and the end"

The reason it's perfect, because it's true imo. Rest is just ranting of some old fundamentalists.

I'm not into the Bible or religion.... I call the positive life force GOD because I don't have a better word. Maybe I'll just call it PLF from now on, so as not to confuse anyone.

[romas]

I'm not into the Bible or religion.... I call the positive life force GOD because I don't have a better word. Maybe I'll just call it PLF from now on, so as not to confuse anyone.


I've just googled PLF and first thing that comes up is Penguin Liberation Front (http://www.google.lt/search?source=ig&hl=lt&rlz=&=&q=PLF&btnG=Google+Paie%C5%A1ka&meta=lr%3D&aq=f&oq=)
:D

[sukyspook]

i agree to an extent, the issue is living in harmony with nature is practically impossible these days and in past times too. for far too long there have been landowners and landlords and the concept of money that was further perverted by promissory notes and the perpetuation of (fractional reverse) banking. the only difference between the past and the present is that all things have changed hands from organised religion to corporations. old world order/new world order- the only difference is those at the helm have changed.

this is the issue, we were being shitted on before and "change" is going to shit on us as well. having the "church" and the "law" tell us what we can and can't do is the same thing essentially. it creates the illusion that people are unable to behave postively to other people and crucially covers over the fact that hundreds of years of organised religious indocrination coupled with "money" and the laws that keep us binded to them is the thing that has warped humanity. however the old world order ain't gonna give up the reins just like that, so they may well be creating all sorts of shit to try and stop a new world order arising and vice versa, and the questions are, ultimately which one would be closer to bringing us back to being closer to nature? and do we really need any sort of "order" what-so-ever in our lives?

our current infrastructure that keeps the world sort of turning would have to be completely removed or adapted in order for their to be no "order". and if that were to happen overnight most of us would end up dying. and that is what annoys me about the conspiracy scene, no one seems to be able to get it together to agree on a third way which is neither old or new "world" order.

perhaps when enough people start to reject both, the old and the new, and start to believe in themselves and each other rather than have others tell them what they can and can't think, say and do, well perhaps "god" will lend a hand but then again giving us all life in its view might be a hand enough...


Those are very wise words imo apekteina - I can't disagree with anything you say.

Have you read/watched/listened to much about the Freeman movement?? That's the kind of society I think would be better....but of course there are many who would disagree. Check out John Harris in particular at www.tpuc.org or this great 2 hour audio:

The Strawman Illusion - The Matrix Exposed:
http://www.thecrowhouse.com/strawman.html

For the time I'm here on this planet most of us want to live in peace, however, as said, the luciferian/satanic mindset absolutely does not want that for the planet - and it's been this way for probably thousands of years.

As 'they' 'channel' or are quite possibly 'possessed' by demonic/satanic entities, so too must we 'channel' the highest intent of the Universe to create the Garden of Eden this planet has the potential to become once more. And if the ongoing struggle we now exist within continues around us we must not 'join in' and perpetuate the misery.

If they "started a war and nobody came" I wonder what would happen then?? That's up to each individual to decide to NOT partake in...but 'we the people' have to know that that's how it all works but that Truth has been kept from us by design.

'Just following orders' and chasing after 'money' from cradle to grave is no longer an option if we want to 'change the world' for the better....but it's a big leap of faith to take and most of us see this option as impossible and VERY 'scary' - hence, we'll never get out....which is what 'they' want.

[ronisron]

I've just googled PLF and first thing that comes up is Penguin Liberation Front (http://www.google.lt/search?source=ig&hl=lt&rlz=&=&q=PLF&btnG=Google+Paie%C5%A1ka&meta=lr%3D&aq=f&oq=)
:D

Well, penguins are cool (pun intended)... I'm all for a Positive Life Force that liberates penguins. Probably copyright infringement though.... OK, GOD with an *, like this:

GOD*.

[sukyspook]

I'm not into the Bible or religion.... I call the positive life force GOD because I don't have a better word. Maybe I'll just call it PLF from now on, so as not to confuse anyone.

Bingo!! ronisron!! That's why I call it God too - until I know more - and the search is constantly on towards Truth, then 'God' has to suffice - and of course, we all know the bad press that's been given to that name don't we!!

However, I do believe there are some great words of spiritual wisdom in the Bible...

We have to get away from connecting God with organised 'religion' - or re-legion as I call it - legion being a description of demonic entities who Jesus cast out - FUNNILY ENOUGH, INTO PIGS lolol!!

Mark 5 (KJV)

Mark 5

1And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.

2And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,

3Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

4Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

5And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. (-self harm....possession?? - Suke)

6But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

8For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

9And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

10And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

11Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.

12And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

13And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea.

14And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.

15And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

16And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=48&chapter=5&version=9

I think the story of the pigs being indwelt with demons is the reason why some religions don't eat pork.....I might be wrong.

[miracles]

Never mind the 'consumables' - READ THE INFO - ALL FOR FREE!!

I've often wondered at the bizarre stuff Tim sells - none of which I would ever get involved in - EVER.

However, 'they' believe in this stuff and use it against US.

Okay cheers mate. Good to hear by the way. Getta load of these bible knockers. They really have had a number done on them haven't they.

[jkdt0077]

'Just following orders' and chasing after 'money' from cradle to grave is no longer an option if we want to 'change the world' for the better....but it's a big leap of faith to take and most of us see this option as impossible and VERY 'scary' - hence, we'll never get out....which is what 'they' want.

It's all very well saying that but what would you have as an alternative? All people are different, some people want to work less than others, some people like to eat more than others, some people can't work. How would you cater for this diversity without money?

The way it works now (in theory anyway, probably not in principle as it has become skewed) is that if someone wants more things then they have to work harder and thus earn more money. I don't see any other alternative to that quite frankly.

[ronisron]

Bingo!! ronisron!! That's why I call it God too - until I know more - and the search is constantly on towards Truth, then 'God' has to suffice - and of course, we all know the bad press that's been given to that name don't we!!

However, I do believe there are some great words of spiritual wisdom in the Bible...

We have to get away from connecting God with organised 'religion' - or re-legion as I call it - legion being a description of demonic entities who Jesus cast out - FUNNILY ENOUGH, INTO PIGS lolol!!

Mark 5 (KJV)

Mark 5

1And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.

2And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,

3Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

4Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

5And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. (-self harm....possession?? - Suke)

6But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

8For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

9And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

10And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

11Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.

12And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

13And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea.

14And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.

15And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

16And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=48&chapter=5&version=9

I think the story of the pigs being indwelt with demons is the reason why some religions don't eat pork.....I might be wrong.


You may be right too. Combine it with the fact that pigs will eat anything and might contaminate you with what they've consumed.

As for the rest, I have a hard time believing in any demonic possession that can be cured by invoking the name of "Jesus" and all that is "Holy". I think if it can be "cured" that way, it is probably psychological manifestation.... and if it isn't psychological, then it involves magick or entities that predate Christianity. You can allow yourself to be ruled by negativity and not even realize it. It's an influencing power -- one that makes people accept war as a way of life, murder as "human nature", news media as truth, money as a necessary evil.... damned if you do damned if you don't... there's a lot of it around us. Recognizing and talking about symbology, and subliminal messaging is important to breaking that spell of negativity.

With Jesus and Satan, both sides are being offered by the creators of that religion. It's like voting for one "party" or the other in an election, based on varying platforms... ultimately, it's all the same party and platform. And as usual it serves hidden interests. Not our best interests in any way.

[sukyspook]

It's all very well saying that but what would you have as an alternative? All people are different, some people want to work less than others, some people like to eat more than others, some people can't work. How would you cater for this diversity without money?

The way it works now (in theory anyway, probably not in principle as it has become skewed) is that if someone wants more things then they have to work harder and thus earn more money. I don't see any other alternative to that quite frankly.

OK so we all go 'down' then?? NOT!!

As said a short while ago - if you haven't seen Rob Menard, or John Harris at tpuc.org explain how we've been 'had' - and haven't listened to a relatively simple explanation of how to take back our sovereignty from those who've tricked us into this ridiculous 'lose-lose' situation - 'win-win' for them - then you won't know how hard some of us are trying to learn how to create something better for those who can be arsed to think and be prepared to DO SOMETHING!!!

The Straw Man Illusion - The Matrix Exposed

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/strawman.html

http://www.tpuc.org/node/558

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3SLwp_2bHg

We have to stop thinking what we CAN'T do and do what we CAN do!!!

[sukyspook]

You may be right too. Combine it with the fact that pigs will eat anything and might contaminate you with what they've consumed.

As for the rest, I have a hard time believing in any demonic possession that can be cured by invoking the name of "Jesus" and all that is "Holy". I think if it can be "cured" that way, it is probably psychological manifestation.... and if it isn't psychological, then it involves magick or entities that predate Christianity. You can allow yourself to be ruled by negativity and not even realize it. It's an influencing power -- one that makes people accept war as a way of life, murder as "human nature", news media as truth, money as a necessary evil.... damned if you do damned if you don't... there's a lot of it around us. Recognizing and talking about symbology, and subliminal messaging is important to breaking that spell of negativity.

With Jesus and Satan, both sides are being offered by the creators of that religion. It's like voting for one "party" or the other in an election, based on varying platforms... ultimately, it's all the same party and platform. And as usual it serves hidden interests. Not our best interests in any way.

I don't disagree in principle ronisron - however one very important thing to remember is that it's written that Jesus overturned the tables of the moneylenders - but our forebears and up to today - WE - didn't act further on that and hence, the same 'money-lender' mindset are ruling the world today.....

Whatever the truth of Jesus really is, to me he represents an example of how 'right thinking' people should live....and 'satan', the opposite.

Also, 'they' believe in God and Jesus alright - it's why we're still functioning....'they' can't just completely walk over us to implement their satanic agenda - that just would not be allowed by........? From stuff I've read, even Satanists have to acknowledge God for without 'Him' there is nothing......

The higher the spiritual 'vibe'/mindset we function in, the more we are protected from their lower vibe/satanic/purely materialistic mindset.... God represents the highest vibe we can achieve imo....satan - like the lead of saturn/satan, that's pretty much all I need to know!

[itsallinus]

I just read through this thread, went outside to sit in the lovely sun and was thinking only about this..

One of the 'constraints' or 'shackles' that are keeping us locked in this 3D illusionary matrix is the polarities that exist. They exist because we need them to make decisions, to experience something as being good, we must also create an opposite of equal ... whats the word? measure? ..so it works like this:

good - evil
hot - cold
knew - old
etc

But what of Love? My first reactionary choice was hate. But hate is merely a choice, so that opposite is like. Love has no opposite polarity since it is the only thing that extends beyond this reality matrix. We extend beyond this reality as we are love, god is love, we are one, etc. So, to try to defeat evil (illuminate in this context) will not help you spiritually.

One of the key themes in the bible (and almost all other religions), second only to loving god, is the fight between good and evil, us being good (as god is within us and we are his children) and lucifer and co. By using these polarites they keep us trapped in the illusionary 'game'. Try to defeat them and you defeat yourself, remember, there is no spoon (;)), only love, so ...love and you will become free and they will be of no significance to you..

[itsallinus]

When I said "and we are his children", I want to note that I referred to the bible, not my opinion, we cannot be children of anything, that simply makes no sense...am I my own child? if we are one and all that is (ultimately).

[pduffy4]

sukyspook Excellent post. Gave it 5 stars!

Very disturbing. I am confused about who Lucifer is, the people or ETs behind all our trouble.

It is clear now that we have been deliberately manipulated by evil forces into hating each other for race, gender and any beliefs we want to have.

Females acting like men is a disaster, so is men acting like women. We should be praising the VITAL differences between men and women. Each are vitally important for us to have a well balanced community to live in.

When I was working as a bus driver, a job I did twice for a total of five years the worst verbal abuse I got was from women. The one person who assaulted me was a woman, though the three people that spat on me were men or so they would like to think.

Society is rancid which is just the way Lucifer likes it.

[runciter]

Very disturbing. I am confused about who Lucifer is, the people or ETs behind all our trouble.


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[zero1]

A lot of confusion and misdirection on display here, on this thread.

The least trite thing that can be said about the Jesus/Lucifer thing is that they are two sides of the same coin.

Makow's views about women are outdated and misogynistic, he just won't admit it. Makow is a paternalistic traditionalist, and that will never wash with ppl in the information/technological age.

Religion exists for numerous reasons, it would take a year or two to cover just a few of them. But mainly, the biggest one Christianity exists to ensure the continuance system of Capitalism that the powers that be presume the cosmic economy of souls is based on, and secondarily to circumvent the advent of superhumanity and prevent us ever evolving superpowers by making a fantasy of the reality of the Superman.

The Bible is nothing more or less than a manual for the operation of the system which governs every aspect of the life of man in the world.

[tusme]

Makow's views about women are outdated and misogynistic, he just won't admit it. Makow is a paternalistic traditionalist, and that will never wash with ppl in the information/technological age.
I know exactly what you mean, Zero1...however, imho, it's to our peril that we ignore tptb attempts, to use "woman" & indeed, people's sexual preferences, to divide n' conquer/control the masses...know what I mean...?

Otherwise, I'm in full agreement with the rest of your post...!! ;) :)

[ronisron]

I don't disagree in principle ronisron - however one very important thing to remember is that it's written that Jesus overturned the tables of the moneylenders - but our forebears and up to today - WE - didn't act further on that and hence, the same 'money-lender' mindset are ruling the world today.....

Whatever the truth of Jesus really is, to me he represents an example of how 'right thinking' people should live....and 'satan', the opposite.

Also, 'they' believe in God and Jesus alright - it's why we're still functioning....'they' can't just completely walk over us to implement their satanic agenda - that just would not be allowed by........? From stuff I've read, even Satanists have to acknowledge God for without 'Him' there is nothing......

The higher the spiritual 'vibe'/mindset we function in, the more we are protected from their lower vibe/satanic/purely materialistic mindset.... God represents the highest vibe we can achieve imo....satan - like the lead of saturn/satan, that's pretty much all I need to know!

The use of money for currency predates Christianity... as do the secret societies that still exist today. The Shriners wear Fez's adorned with the name Ramses, and they pay homage to Egyptian deities -- the Shriners are supposedly Christian too.


I believe there is a lot of truth in the Bible, there are great allegories there, but there is also lots of symbology, metaphor and numerology. The story of Jesus, born 3 nights past winter solstice, was visited by 3 wise men, who died at 33 1/3 years of age, to be resurrected 3 days later, is also the same as previous messiahs from other religions, most notably the Church of Babylon. Virgin mother and all the rest. The man behind the Gospel of Jesus, according to the Bible itself, is (Saul, Tsaul) Paul. His conversion came 150 years after Jesus' death, after a visitation on the road to Tarsis..... right away, the story seems far fetched. To me, one of the main messages of that story is; if you try to teach people about God, or peace, and can articulate in such a way that most people can relate to, you are an enemy to the established order, and must be removed. Check Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Abdul ba' Hai, all threats to the power structure.

Satanism is an offshoot of Christianity, and it's structured belief system. Satanists want blood sacrifice for rituals, to appease Satan (Lucifer, Baphomet, Beelzebub...on and on) just like the "leaders" of ancient times that predate Christianity, used to demand your first born, or the first wife, or what have you, to appease the same dirty "gods" with different names. This is where most of the kids on the milk cartons wind up.... this is where most Hollywood "runaways" wind up... lured by the promise of something better to their untimely and awful demise at the hands of the dirty, power mad elite. Changing times call for newer tactics... they use different methods now to get to the first borns, and virgins, etc.

We do need to be more spiritual. A religion that was created by the same secret societies that you oppose does not seem a good place to funnel that spirituality towards. In my opinion. GOD* is free of charge. Religion isn't.

[runciter]

The least trite thing that can be said about the Jesus/Lucifer thing is that they are two sides of the same coin.


lucy is still serving the god of the old testament, who asked for blind obeyance and cruelty against other tribes.

[zero1]

I know exactly what you mean, Zero1...however, imho, it's to our peril that we ignore tptb attempts, to use "woman" & indeed, people's sexual preferences, to divide n' conquer/control the masses...know what I mean...?

I do know what you mean.

Otherwise, I'm in full agreement with the rest of your post...!! ;) :)

Thank you.

[runciter]

the secret is that yahweh gave two sets of rules, one for ordinary people, another for the elite.

kabbalah, the secret oral tradition, gives much more "freedom", and lucifer is serving the kabbalists.

[creamspyder]

itsallinus, you said "Love has no opposite polarity since it is the only thing that extends beyond this reality matrix."

This oposite was suggested to me, "fear" as an opposite to Love.... ?

[octopusrex]

So if good ol' Henry Makow had his way, we would be living in a nice, orderly, Norman Rockwell world where children eat their greens, women stay in the kitchen and men never have flings with their neighbor's wives?

Hmmm...

But then poor gays would have to be hunted down like animals are "re-educated" into proper "Christian" values.

Fuck that.

[sukyspook]

lucy is still serving the god of the old testament, who asked for blind obeyance and cruelty against other tribes.

Indeed runciter....sadly.

Whether we want to believe it or not, imo we ARE involved in a battle on several levels, mainly imo spiritual, but psychological and physical/material too - an agenda which primarily really DOES use divide and conquer - even down to the spiritual messages in the Bible vs that of 'the opposer'/adversary, through people like Aleister Crowley:

"Love is the Law" would be the message from The Bible - a spiritual, not "religious" message imo....

"Love is the Law, love under will" - the Luciferian message - the 'will' aka 'Thelema' and which promotes the 'spiritual enlightenment' of the self as opposed to the *intercession* of the Holy Spirit.......

*intercession* - Collins Gem Dict: to intercede - to try to end a dispute between two people or groups

[apekteina lordosis]

Those are very wise words imo apekteina - I can't disagree with anything you say.

Have you read/watched/listened to much about the Freeman movement?? That's the kind of society I think would be better....but of course there are many who would disagree. Check out John Harris in particular at www.tpuc.org or this great 2 hour audio:

The Strawman Illusion - The Matrix Exposed:
http://www.thecrowhouse.com/strawman.html

For the time I'm here on this planet most of us want to live in peace, however, as said, the luciferian/satanic mindset absolutely does not want that for the planet - and it's been this way for probably thousands of years.

As 'they' 'channel' or are quite possibly 'possessed' by demonic/satanic entities, so too must we 'channel' the highest intent of the Universe to create the Garden of Eden this planet has the potential to become once more. And if the ongoing struggle we now exist within continues around us we must not 'join in' and perpetuate the misery.

If they "started a war and nobody came" I wonder what would happen then?? That's up to each individual to decide to NOT partake in...but 'we the people' have to know that that's how it all works but that Truth has been kept from us by design.

'Just following orders' and chasing after 'money' from cradle to grave is no longer an option if we want to 'change the world' for the better....but it's a big leap of faith to take and most of us see this option as impossible and VERY 'scary' - hence, we'll never get out....which is what 'they' want.

i'm aware of the freeman movement, however on a personal level it's not something i'd try to become as in my view it acknowledges in some way that maritime law is legitimate in the first place even though i gather attaining freemanship requires proving it isn't. i think the only couple of laws there should be is one of honesty and for people not to fear being honest, along with the right of people to do as they like as long as it doesn't impinge on others right to do what they like. underpinning that i think there should be an agreement for everyone to have a roof over their head with free access to power, clean water, heat and sanitization. everyone should have free food for their bellies and free medical care if and when required. all that would be required of people in return is to contribute some of their time, skill and effort to maintaining such an agreement for themselves and everyone else. oh and i'd throw in a free internet connection as that could be a means for organizing the maintenance, education, entertainment, communication and perhaps "voting" on issues if req'd. dunno why i put "free" btw, there'd be no such thing as money either. soz to repeat myself ;)

i certainly agree about the idea of war and nobody came, imagine if all the cannonfodder (be them "soldiers" or "free-fighters") just thought "sod this, i'm going home to make love to my women and be there as my kids grow up"- the only people left to do the fighting would be the politicians and the puppet masters, and we know generally speaking what a bunch of spineless so&so they are. it's pathetic really and almost laughable if it weren't for the fact innocent people and the mislead cannonfodder end up dying or injured, whilst leaving others orphaned or parentless.

thanks for the links, in return i'd recommend checking out this lordzoma thread http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42058 the pdf downland is well worth reading. :)

[sukyspook]

itsallinus, you said "Love has no opposite polarity since it is the only thing that extends beyond this reality matrix."

This oposite was suggested to me, "fear" as an opposite to Love.... ?

It was a revelation to me creamspyder, when I realised that FEAR IS the opposite of LOVE....

I don't seek to make anyone FEAR me so that I can control them - however, as we are all too aware, those who would 'rule the world' use FEAR as one of their favourite weapons of mass destruction. Instead, I try to love everyone for the person that they are - as in "do unto others" etc - this might sound idealistic but as the saying goes: "forgive them for they know not what they do".....as imo humanity has been deliberately dumbed down to behave like cattle/goyim so that we accept being treated like animals. If I don't see eye to eye with anyone, I accept their opinion and agree to disagree....there's no point fighting over things that are merely going to prove to be antagonistic and which cannot be resolved. Same applies on this forum!!! But woe betide anyone who seeks to impose their physical will upon me - they'd have a fight on their hands!!

Too many people have 'given up' on the human race, including a couple of my own family members and they feel that humanity is its own worse enemy and deserves all that befalls it. However, without having access to all spiritual information - and let's face it, society is indoctrinated with the Luciferian agenda as Henry's article illustrates, the human race is being given a one-sided perspective on what life could potentially be.

One thing I have always disagreed with is the statement to "FEAR God".....

I do not 'FEAR' God - but love him as in a human/family setting I would love my father - with great respect, realising eventually that he only had my best interests at heart and that he is at the pinacle of a hierarchy which requires respect in order for the hierarchy to function to everyone's ultimate best interests and NOT to benefit any individual who sought to impose an alternative, selfish and negative mindset which would cause chaos and destroy family cohesion.

Satanists are free to practise what they wish as far as I'm concerned, - so long as they don't wish to impose it upon others in order to ultimately create a satanic world....

I happen to agree with most of Henry Makow's ideas - although I woundn't wish to prevent women from being 'feminists' - as a woman and a mother in my 50's - being given 'equality' merely meant that I expected, probably of myself, to do most things for the family/home whilst also working full time.....eventually I realised I was on a physical and spiritual hiding to nowhere and life was too short to be in a 'race' which was going, ultimately, imo - nowhere.

I 'came home' to become a Mum again 6 years ago and I've never looked back. It was in the wake of 911 that I began to realise the satanic/Luciferian manipulation of humanity....

My mother and father, and theirs before them, did the best by us to give us good morals and values. My own family has lived in the most part with those same values and my children have good manners, reasonable morals and a knowledge of what previous values were and that their behaviour impacts the wider world.

In my opinion, that's the best, as a responsible human being, I can probably do.

[dawnismygoddess]

Henry Makow knows this too - that's two of us lol - no, there are millions who 'know' too.

Yes. Trust me, I 'know' as well.

[sukyspook]

Excellent post. Gave it 5 stars!

Very disturbing. I am confused about who Lucifer is, the people or ETs behind all our trouble.

It is clear now that we have been deliberately manipulated by evil forces into hating each other for race, gender and any beliefs we want to have.

Females acting like men is a disaster, so is men acting like women. We should be praising the VITAL differences between men and women. Each are vitally important for us to have a well balanced community to live in.

When I was working as a bus driver, a job I did twice for a total of five years the worst verbal abuse I got was from women. The one person who assaulted me was a woman, though the three people that spat on me were men or so they would like to think.

Society is rancid which is just the way Lucifer likes it.

Indeed pduffy and I'm honoured for the stars - but being in control of my false ego - I won't let it go to my head lol!!!

You obviously have experience of people behaving like animals - and what a shame that you should have been subject to it and that people don't realise that when they do that kind of thing ie spitting - they are ultimately doing it to themselves......sigh.

You are such a 'good' soul and don't deserve to be treated in such a way.

Have you seen this video from Max Igan?? It's quite long and probably contains much of what you already know - but it's the little extras that Max talks about that are important:

The Big Picture: Final Cut

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/bigpic.html

...and at the bottom of the main page is: In Lak'ech - I am another Yourself

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/home.html

How are the veg coming along???

Suke
x

Thank you to Baboshka for introducing me to Max - thanks babo! xx

[itsallinus]

But fear is an illusion, a self created emotion. Love is not the same thing, it is far more than the emotion. Fear comes and goes while love is forever. I don't see the connection.

Fear manifests in the lack of understanding, so perhaps knowledge could be the opposite of fear?

[sukyspook]

Yes. Trust me, I 'know' as well.

keowl!! lol xx

[sukyspook]

But fear is an illusion, a self created emotion. Love is not the same thing, it is far more than the emotion. Fear comes and goes while love is forever. I don't see the connection.

Fear manifests in the lack of understanding, so perhaps knowledge could be the opposite of fear?

With all due respect and with a name like 'ITSALLINUS' - surely you 'know' that it really IS 'all in us'......

FEAR is NOT a self created emotion - those who 'know' God* (!) do not FEAR anything - ANYTHING and only seek to love....I can't say any more than that....it's real and available to us all - we just have to sincerely want to know The Truth of all things with all our body/mind/soul and 'ask'...

FEAR is deliberately touted by 'them' so that we will behave like the proverbial rabbits in the headlights - ie paralized so that a despotic/tyrannical/satanic system can retain control.

Of course we're going to be disappointed daily by the reaction and attitudes of others who don't 'get' what we do....but all we can do is 'live' it and hope for the best. If all else fails in this 'dimension'/planet - our souls/spirits should "graduate" if there's anywhere to graduate to afterwards - and NOT for the detriment of anyone but for the betterment of ourselves and hopefully our fellow human beings.

I believe that once on this journey there really is NO GOING BACK and I, for one, would never wish to do so...

[tusme]

FEAR is deliberately touted by 'them' so that we will behave like the proverbial rabbits in the headlights - ie paralized so that a despotic/tyrannical/satanic system can retain control.
Actually, FEAR is what "they" use to maintain "order" within their ranks, too...!!

I believe that once on this journey there really is NO GOING BACK and I, for one, would never wish to do so...
I love you...!! :eek: :D Sorry, I just felt like saying it...!! :D

[sukyspook]

Actually, FEAR is what "they" use to maintain "order" within their ranks, too...!!


I love you...!! :eek: :D Sorry, I just felt like saying it...!! :D

....and I, you!!! :)

[dawnismygoddess]

keowl!! lol xx

Yes. And just remember, that the gates of Hades Shall Not Prevail!


And that serpent will be cast into the bottomless pit to be tormented forever and ever.

[tusme]

....and I, you!!! :)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif :D

[tyler]

I'm well aware that there are many on this forum who don't believe that the battle we are in is fundamentally a spiritual one. Most laugh at the name of God, more so at the thoughts of Satan/Lucifer.

However, after 8 years of ongoing research into well, just about everything, for me there is no denying the existence of absolute evil and the potential for goodness on this planet.

Henry Makow knows this too - that's two of us lol - no, there are millions who 'know' too.

This is Henry's latest article and I urge you all to read it and at least consider the bizarre events of just this past week and what might be behind it all. Also, if you haven't already seen the links to the mp3's and webpage below Henry's article, BE WARNED - this is a very deep spiritual rabbit hole that we are in:


Lucifer's Rebellion Gains Momentum

April 30, 2009

The Hate from the State

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Little by little, the Illuminati bankers are dropping their mask and revealing the evil agenda behind current events. What is called "progressive" and "liberal" is in fact satanic. What is called "revolution" is aimed at overthrowing God --the natural and spiritual (moral) order-- and replacing Him with dictates of devil worshipers, the Rothschilds and their lackeys.

When we read about "Hate Laws" that protect pedophiles, sex education for five-year-olds, the promotion of homosexuality to heterosexuals, we must see them in spiritual context, as the Luciferian overthrow of all that is natural, healthy, true and good, turning the world upside down, i.e. "revolution."

When we hear about pig flu, let's keep our focus on the big picture. We are infected by a more serious and widespread cancer, satanism, under the guises of communism, liberalism, socialism, zionism, fascism, feminism and globalism. Luciferianism permeates society in the form of materialism, naturalism, occultism, obscenity, sadism, violence, pornography and promiscuity.

No coincidence that Obama asks that Christian symbolism be covered when he speaks. Can you imagine him making the same request at a Jewish or homosexual venue? Obama's own symbolism is Illuminati, reminiscent of the Lucis (Lucifer)Trust. All our leaders covertly signal their true loyalty to Lucifer.

EXTREME

These claims are extreme. I wouldn't make them if they weren't literally true. Reread my account of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of Illuminati insider Chaim Rakover (a.k.a Christian Rakovsky.) This man was a founder of the Comintern and Soviet President of the Ukraine, and ambassador to Paris. He says the Illuminati bankers (i.e. Rothschild syndicate) have infinite wealth and now want absolute power.

They created the Communist state as a "machine of total power" unprecedented in history. In the past, due to many factors, "there was always room for individual freedom. Do you understand that those who already partially rule over nations and worldly governments have pretensions to absolute domination? Understand that this is the only thing which they have not yet reached."

The aim of the Revolution is no less than to redefine reality in terms of their interests and Cabalist beliefs. This involves the promotion of subjective truth over objective truth. If Lenin "feels something to be real" then it is real. "For him every reality, every truth was relative in the face of the sole and absolute one: the revolution."

In other words, white is black and evil is good. Homosexuality which specialists agree is usually a developmental disorder is now something everyone should try. Teachers who protest are fired. Babies who survive abortions are left to die and thrown out with the trash. Obama approves. People who protest the Zionist slaughter of Palestinian women and children lose their jobs.

The Illuminati bankers financed intellectuals who recommended ways to weaken society to accept their tyranny. In a perceptive article, "The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt," Timothy Mathews lists their recommendations, made over 50 years ago. How many do you recognize?

1. The creation of racism offenses.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud's idea of 'pansexualism' - the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women. To further their aims they would deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.

The School believed there were two types of revolution: (a) political and (b) cultural. Cultural revolution demolishes from within. 'Modern forms of subjection are marked by mildness'. They saw it as a long-term project and kept their sights clearly focused on the family, education, media, sex and popular culture.

BRINGING IT HOME

Since the Illuminati bankers control the mass media, political parties and education, it is not an exaggeration to say society is under mortal attack by its putative leaders. This attack is felt every day.

Let me extrapolate from a small example. The Student's Association at the local university has been dominated by homosexuals and feminists for years. They are holding a Prom on May 8.
Except it is called an "Anti-Prom" and like homosexuality itself, it is a parody of heterosexuality.

"Come as you aren't!" the poster exhorts us. "Dress-up, down, drag, hairy or famous. the stranger the better." An "Anti-King" and "Anti-Queen" will be chosen. BELOW A PICTURE OF MARILYN MONROE, THERE IS A BARELY VISIBLE PICTURE OF A VICIOUS, SNARLING GORILLA.

This University (of Winnipeg) doesn't have a normal Prom. There are few if any heterosexual dances. This is a small example of the toxic environment in which 97% of the population (heterosexuals) now live. Yet, exposed to this government-sponsored, homosexual hatred and hostility, we are expected to exude benevolence and "tolerance" to them, or face public censure.

Another example: I have been reliably informed that local high schools are no longer allowed to set deadlines for assignments. It is felt this does not test the students abilities. Hello? It teaches self-discipline, something our masters apparently don't want young people to have. In my school district, the largest in the city, the Chairman of the School Board is a 29-year-old shop teacher (i.e. woodwork, auto mechanics.) This is how little the community cares or understands about education.


CONCLUSION

Since the so-called "Enlightenment," (as in Lucifer the light-bringer) Western civilization has been based on a denial of God, i.e. Truth, Love and Goodness, and an assertion of man's (i.e. the Illuminati banker's) divinity and right to redefine reality. Modernity is nothing but the neuroses, dysfunction and dissatisfaction created by this solipsistic delusion.

Culture and true civilization are founded on using our spiritual ideals to refine our baser instincts. This is what defines us as human, "gentle" men, civilized. Luciferianism aims to "liberate" us from self-restraint, i.e. self-discipline. It glorifies the animal and rejects the human. Why? Because the Illuminati bankers see us as their cattle, born to serve them. According to Jordan Maxwell, we are branded at birth like livestock. (The number is on our birth certificate.)

We are under a relentless occult psychological barrage. Part is the suggestion that to defend our rights and values is somehow bigoted and "hateful." We have been subjugated by witting and unwitting servants of Lucifer, human demons, sell-outs and traitors. We must resist in every way we can.

http://www.henrymakow.com/luciferian_revolution_reaches.html

WARNING - If you haven't considered that satan/satanism is VERY real - please be warned that this information goes into great detail about it:

hour 1 Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr1.mp3

hour 2 Jeff and Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr2.mp3

Tim's accompanying webpage: BE WARNED - it's a very deep and disturbing rabbit hole!:

http://www.mindovermatter.ru/RVScience/supernaturalspirit/rense_radio_show.html

Thankyou for putting that up, Suky. It's so good to find at least one person on this forum who understands the deeper implications of all that is happening around us.
At last too, I have found someone who understands the importance of the Holy land and especially Jerusalem in all that is going on from the Crusader, the Knights Templars to the Zionists of today.

Tim Rifad has so much to teach us all.

[birdontheway]

So if good ol' Henry Makow had his way, we would be living in a nice, orderly, Norman Rockwell world where children eat their greens, women stay in the kitchen and men never have flings with their neighbor's wives?

Hmmm...

But then poor gays would have to be hunted down like animals are "re-educated" into proper "Christian" values.

Fuck that.

Yep.

I wouldn't take anyone seriously that spreads the kind of hate and misogyny that this guy does.

That makes him just as bad as the people he is trying to condemn. In fact, 'they' thrive due to people like Makow.

He promotes low vibrational frequencies. Food for the 'demons'

:rolleyes:

[itsallinus]

those who 'know' God* (!) do not FEAR anything - ANYTHING and only seek to love....

With equal respect to you sukyspook (I am glad we can discuss this :)), this is kinda what I meant that love is the only truth as D.I. explain and I tend to agree with him, it transends the illusionary matrix, all dimensions and truly exists without fear. Does that not make it a different thing all together? It is beyond the word love, cannot be defined as such and the love that exists inside the 3rd Dimensional illusion is the opposite of fear and not true unconditional love, which happens to be our most natural state.

Like I said in my first post on this thread I am only expressing my thoughts on this after reading the previouse posts, feel free to say if you think I'm wrong :) It's the sharing and learning and teaching of ideas that opens our minds to knowledge.

I believe that once on this journey there really is NO GOING BACK and I, for one, would never wish to do so...

I'm right with you on that one! :D:D

[pduffy4]

Have you seen this video from Max Igan?? It's quite long and probably contains much of what you already know - but it's the little extras that Max talks about that are important:

The Big Picture: Final Cut

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/bigpic.html

...and at the bottom of the main page is: In Lak'ech - I am another Yourself

http://www.thecrowhouse.com/home.html

How are the veg coming along???

Suke
x

Thank you to Baboshka for introducing me to Max - thanks babo! xx

The veg is not doing too well. Someone on this forum said after seeing my video that the plants did not get enough sun light. I need to plant again which I will do soon. The weather is better no than a few weeks ago which should help.

I will watch the videos today. Just watched an interview with David Icke on CMN - http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dicke6.htm It is free to join for the archive videos.

[vladmir]

So if good ol' Henry Makow had his way, we would be living in a nice, orderly, Norman Rockwell world where children eat their greens, women stay in the kitchen and men never have flings with their neighbor's wives?

Hmmm...

But then poor gays would have to be hunted down like animals are "re-educated" into proper "Christian" values.

Fuck that.
lol yeah, i mean i enjoy reading some of the fine points Henry makes in all his articles,
but,
i dont know,
the guy still thinks 'old'.

[sukyspook]

lol yeah, i mean i enjoy reading some of the fine points Henry makes in all his articles,
but,
i dont know,
the guy still thinks 'old'.

Mornin' all!!

It's funny you should bring up the word 'old' Vlad - for the last, probably 20 years or so, I've heard nothing but 'new' - new world order; new Labour; new frontiers of science; new discoveries - but with all this 'new'.....have our lives improved that much - I mean apart from automatic washing machines, electric lawnmowers, dishwashers - leaving us more time for....what?? killing nazi zombies or stabbing people on Playstations; listening and watching rappers and their 'bitches' flaunt their booties on their videos or watching some other tragic family on a soap live our lives for us?? (I never play 'games' or watch soaps - NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEM.....(!)) but when I look around me at the dying town centres; knife attack stories; wars; viruses; illnesses I 'might' get - I just wonder what 'new' has done for me over the values of the 'old'.

IMO there is nothing wrong with 'old' in many ways and we should definately revisit some of the old ways - especially in education, for one thing!!

For me, the promotion of the 'new' above anything 'old' or as we used to say 'traditional' encompasses the very Luciferian agenda Henry writes about - yes, he does go over the top with some of his ideas - but as someone who I suppose is 'middle aged' (gosh, am I lol) I laugh at some of the 'new' and wish that people could understand that 'old' has not always just naturally become 'old hat' but much wisdom of old has been deliberately villified, ignored or even destroyed towards 'man's worship of himself' aka Luciferianism.

I also think that being older and having experience of more 'austere' times in the post-war 50's, I have a longer past to reflect upon just how things have changed - and I'm sad to say that day-to-day, humanity's spiritual condition is sadly lacking most of all....

I hope that in say 30 years time we won't be living in such appalling conditions that we wish ourselves back to the early 2000's when:

"knife crime; child abuse; financial criminality; political sleeze; global pandemics; wars/terrsm etc etc were relatively mild in comparison...."

That kind of future is not an option for me - but then, I believe I 'know' how all this has come about - as does Henry - and will do all I can to alert others so together we can collectively avoid that kind of future materializing.

So don't ignore 'old' vlad/anyone - like God* (!), the word has been given a 'right going over' of late and underservedly so!

I'm really enjoying this thread! It's no use having threads and expecting everyone to merely agree - that'd be a waste of time - but there are ways of voicing opinions as in present company without openly 'attacking' the opinions of others and often stooping to insults and downright rudeness which sometimes stops me even daring to respond on some threads...sigh

[sukyspook]

With equal respect to you sukyspook (I am glad we can discuss this :)), this is kinda what I meant that love is the only truth as D.I. explain and I tend to agree with him, it transends the illusionary matrix, all dimensions and truly exists without fear. Does that not make it a different thing all together? It is beyond the word love, cannot be defined as such and the love that exists inside the 3rd Dimensional illusion is the opposite of fear and not true unconditional love, which happens to be our most natural state.

Like I said in my first post on this thread I am only expressing my thoughts on this after reading the previouse posts, feel free to say if you think I'm wrong :) It's the sharing and learning and teaching of ideas that opens our minds to knowledge.



I'm right with you on that one! :D:D


"It is beyond the word love, cannot be defined as such and the love that exists inside the 3rd Dimensional illusion is the opposite of fear and not true unconditional love, which happens to be our most natural state."

The 'love' as it is promoted - through film/music/popular culture - I guess is a kind of 'love' Allinus, but in the 3D there are different kind of 'love' or is it just different levels of 'love' - ie lower and higher vibrations/frequencies??

Physical 'love' between a couple - I can't possibly say between a 'man and a woman' without saying between a 'woman and a woman' and a 'man and a man' these days can I lol which is a 'new' phenonemon, which would be 'un-pc' - another 'new' phenomenon - and imo that kind of self-censorship are two negatives of this 'new' 'way'....

I digress, not for the first time either lol -

physical 'love'; love for one's children; for one's parents; for friends; football teams; for fried chicken etc etc are all lumped together under 'love'....but I would say that relationship 'love' and love for -dare I say - God* are poles apart in what they encompass....

If I knew then what I know now my life would probably have been very different. That's because I wasn't taught an alternative view on life as the 'establishment' prefers me not to get 'out of line'.

I used to often think to myself "is this it???"....and then I learned that we are deliberately steered away from learning just who/what we really are so that a relative few can retain the 'status quo'. I can honestly say - hand on heart - that since beginning this amazing 'journey' I am NEVER bored!!

So my journey continues to find the Truth of all things - and I would say that when I really understood peace in my own heart (it's not always possible 24/7 lol) and that I affect everyone around me with what I believe and hence how I behave/how we interract - then unconditional love became possible and very real in my life. As said, this isn't some kind of 'Stepford Wives' existence - this requires conscious effort 24/7 and is regularly met with disappointment - but I return to 'the centre' where I believe my 'energy vibration' of love for Creator/Creation/fellow man/family etc etc feels 'tuned in' and for me this is REAL 'love'.

Yes, unconditional love is probably a vibration - and I like to think of the word 'love' as:

Limitless Omnipresent Vivifying Energy

....which, for me anyway, sums up the energy in the Universe and what we know as God...but then, I'm still on a 'journey' and don't know the absolute Truth yet lol!!

[tusme]

Mornin' all!!

It's funny you should bring up the word 'old' Vlad - for the last, probably 20 years or so, I've heard nothing but 'new' - new world order; new Labour; new frontiers of science; new discoveries - but with all this 'new'.....have our lives improved that much - I mean apart from automatic washing machines, electric lawnmowers, dishwashers - leaving us more time for....what?? killing nazi zombies or stabbing people on Playstations; listening and watching rappers and their 'bitches' flaunt their booties on their videos or watching some other tragic family on a soap live our lives for us?? (I never play 'games' or watch soaps - NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEM.....(!)) but when I look around me at the dying town centres; knife attack stories; wars; viruses; illnesses I 'might' get - I just wonder what 'new' has done for me over the values of the 'old'.

IMO there is nothing wrong with 'old' in many ways and we should definately revisit some of the old ways - especially in education, for one thing!!

For me, the promotion of the 'new' above anything 'old' or as we used to say 'traditional' encompasses the very Luciferian agenda Henry writes about - yes, he does go over the top with some of his ideas - but as someone who I suppose is 'middle aged' (gosh, am I lol) I laugh at some of the 'new' and wish that people could understand that 'old' has not always just naturally become 'old hat' but much wisdom of old has been deliberately villified, ignored or even destroyed towards 'man's worship of himself' aka Luciferianism.

I also think that being older and having experience of more 'austere' times in the post-war 50's, I have a longer past to reflect upon just how things have changed - and I'm sad to say that day-to-day, humanity's spiritual condition is sadly lacking most of all....

I hope that in say 30 years time we won't be living in such appalling conditions that we wish ourselves back to the early 2000's when:

"knife crime; child abuse; financial criminality; political sleeze; global pandemics; wars/terrsm etc etc were relatively mild in comparison...."

That kind of future is not an option for me - but then, I believe I 'know' how all this has come about - as does Henry - and will do all I can to alert others so together we can collectively avoid that kind of future materializing.

So don't ignore 'old' vlad/anyone - like God* (!), the word has been given a 'right going over' of late and underservedly so!

I'm really enjoying this thread! It's no use having threads and expecting everyone to merely agree - that'd be a waste of time - but there are ways of voicing opinions as in present company without openly 'attacking' the opinions of others and often stooping to insults and downright rudeness which sometimes stops me even daring to respond on some threads...sigh
Good Morning, Sukyspook!!

What an Absolutely Brilliant (Truth) post...!!

If it were up to me, I'd have considered making your post a "Sticky"... :eek: :D

In fact, if I were David Icke :eek:, I would certainly consider incorperating your thoughts/post, as part of a future newsletter publication... :)

Actually, I was thinking, it's not only the terms "old/new" that is being used against us...but also, "change"...!! Meaning, if we challenge (the) "change", then, we're seen as "negative or irrelevant"...to the future agenda...

Yet, it is quite evident, the term "change" is intentionally being used, by tptb...to continue it's agenda...!! ...quite smart actually, if you asked me...just was well, Truth cannot be tricked...!! :)

Thanks Sukyspook!!

[itsallinus]

I'm still on a 'journey' and don't know the absolute Truth yet lol!!

As are we all!! Just as well there are wonderful, loving people like you with us to make the journey brighter...

I am still not sure though if fighting Lucifer is the way forward, more inclined to ignore all that and only focus on the love that exists beyond our sight and to incorporate it into every action and every reaction..really hard to do at times but so naturally easy at others!!

I see the evil in this world as a distraction from finding our goals and would rater be an observer nothing more, no fear gonna come here.:p:)

[runciter]

who's afraid of the new old older? :)

[sukyspook]

Good Morning, Sukyspook!!

What an Absolutely Brilliant (Truth) post...!!

If it were up to me, I'd have considered making your post a "Sticky"... :eek: :D

In fact, if I were David Icke :eek:, I would certainly consider incorperating your thoughts/post, as part of a future newsletter publication... :)

Thanks Sukyspook!!


Thank you Tusme, for once I'm lost for words - NOT! lol.

The thread must have really 'struck a chord' with you!

Seriously, it's good to know that something I/we've said adds to 'the conversation' and at least makes us think and share constructively, positively, that many of us can relate to and gives us real hope - not false kind of 'obamahope'.
Personally, I prefer to 'know' things will get better, rather than to 'hope' they will!

Thanks again and I'm glad we're singing from the same songsheet - I have no doubt that there are millions of us who only want the best for humanity and it all starts within our own hearts.

[runciter]

there are currently 11,111 threads in this section.

[runciter]

Indeed runciter....sadly.

Whether we want to believe it or not, imo we ARE involved in a battle on several levels, mainly imo spiritual, but psychological and physical/material too - an agenda which primarily really DOES use divide and conquer - even down to the spiritual messages in the Bible vs that of 'the opposer'/adversary, through people like Aleister Crowley:

"Love is the Law" would be the message from The Bible - a spiritual, not "religious" message imo....

"Love is the Law, love under will" - the Luciferian message - the 'will' aka 'Thelema' and which promotes the 'spiritual enlightenment' of the self as opposed to the *intercession* of the Holy Spirit.......

*intercession* - Collins Gem Dict: to intercede - to try to end a dispute between two people or groups

we are this battle, in a certain sense: their actions are a projection of our deepest fears.

edit: i hope it doesn't sound too hermetic :o

[tusme]

Thank you Tusme, for once I'm lost for words - NOT! lol.

The thread must have really 'struck a chord' with you!

Seriously, it's good to know that something I/we've said adds to 'the conversation' and at least makes us think and share constructively, positively, that many of us can relate to and gives us real hope - not false kind of 'obamahope'.
Personally, I prefer to 'know' things will get better, rather than to 'hope' they will!

Thanks again and I'm glad we're singing from the same songsheet - I have no doubt that there are millions of us who only want the best for humanity and it all starts within our own hearts.
Well, tbh, I do like Henry Makow's articles and often visit his website...

Also, I've always known, tptb projecting "negative energy", towards achieving it's goals...ie, using a form of "spiritual warfare" against us...!!

They understand very well, that, "negetive energy begets negative energy"...hence, their determination to corrupt society...to it's very foundations...and every facet of it...most importantly, it's future...!!

And, for them to be able to do that...they need our energy, on a very large scale...thus, the current "swine flu scare", is the ideal situation...where the media is, methodically, being used to generate all that (negative/fear) energy...as an offering to their god, lucifer...

Otherwise, what has really "struck a cord", is your throughts/words relating to this thread...absolute Truth, imho...!! Thankyou!!

I've edited my earlier post, not sure whether you seen it or not...if you don't mind, of-course, I'll add it again...

Actually, I was thinking, it's not only the terms "old/new" that is being used against us...but also, "change"...!! Meaning, if we challenge (the) "change", then, we're seen as "negative or irrelevant"...to the future agenda...

Yet, it is quite evident, the term "change" is intentionally being used, by tptb...to continue it's agenda...!! ...quite smart actually, if you asked me...just was well, Truth cannot be tricked...!! :)

I would sing from ANY songsheet, as long as it hold's Truth as it's core...and your thoughts/words (in this thread, anyway) was exactly that...!! ;) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[sukyspook]

As are we all!! Just as well there are wonderful, loving people like you with us to make the journey brighter...

I am still not sure though if fighting Lucifer is the way forward, more inclined to ignore all that and only focus on the love that exists beyond our sight and to incorporate it into every action and every reaction..really hard to do at times but so naturally easy at others!!

I see the evil in this world as a distraction from finding our goals and would rater be an observer nothing more, no fear gonna come here.:p:)

I don't see it as 'fighting' Lucifer Itsallinus - more of 'knowing' who/what Lucifer is and consciously choosing NOT to fall into the traps set for us.

I spend a lot of time reading occult books/articles as I need to know who the enemy of humanity is....of course you could say this is 'ourselves' - but some of us have broken that 'cycle' thankfully and so I won't accept that I am fighting my 'enemy within' - that enemy is now defeated imo.
The 'false' ego and quite possibly the 'first born' imo as in The Bible and to be 'born again' could be seen to be the destruction of the false ego and an internal spiritual renewal - for those who 'get' the spiritual aspect of being a human being. The spiritual renewal reinvigorates our physical bodies and hence we should have protection from the 'slings and arrows' of the medical/military/pharmaceutical/industrial complex (Lucifer's mob) and in this 'new' (oh no, not 'new' again lol) 'state' we can understand the spiritual battle being waged against those who don't yet 'get it'.

I went to a service for a favourite aunt who died last October. She was a really lovely person and deserves to be recognised for her humility and humanity wherever she may be now.

At her service (JWitness) they sang a song called: "Keep Your Eye on the Prize". Those words have echoed in my head since that lovely service and believe me, I'm no fan of churches/religion etc but she was obviously greatly loved by all, me included. I heard the same words as a saying only the other day - you know, one of those words or phrases that keep cropping up, trying to get your attention!!

I think we have to keep our own eyes (as opposed to the single physical/material one eye of antichrist) on the prize and not be deceived or indeed diverted from that prize of being the best we can be and from living with that 'knowing' in our hearts that this is the best a human can attain in this lifetime and in this place.

And it goes without saying that we must believe that by our example within our own families we can awaken others to a better way of living and consequently a better world for anyone who wants to live that way.

Much love to you Itsallinus and everyone - for without love, empathy and compassion, we are not truly 'human' - imo, of course!

I apologise - I'm beginning to sound like a preacher!!!! Heaven forbid!!

[itsallinus]

Thankyou Sukyspook, your explainations are very insightful and a big help! Much love to you indeed! ;):)

[sukyspook]

we are this battle, in a certain sense: their actions are a projection of our deepest fears.

edit: i hope it doesn't sound too hermetic :o

Hey Runciter - I didn't reply directly to your posts yesterday as by some strange coincidence (but there aren't any lol) you kind of wrote what I was writing about.....(hears Twilight Zone music....)

That word 'hermetic' stuck in my mind (red rag to a bull) overnight and I thought I'd get back to you on it - I know you keep a pretty keen eye on the entire board and it's always refreshing to hear what you have to say.

Did you 'clock' what I was saying on another thread about Hermes/Mercury/Hermanubis etc etc. Of course, Chiram has nothing to do with any of that!!

I really believe that Hermes/Mercury (his 'dark side' in vaccines eh?) is fundamental to know just what makes 'them' tick.....and so my Hermes research trundles on in the background... He/she/it crops up EVERYWHERE!!

Is Hermes a 'representation' of Lucifer in another guise?? I wonder indeed.

Hermes IS the 'messenger of the 'gods'' after all...

[runciter]

Hey Runciter - I didn't reply directly to your posts yesterday as by some strange coincidence (but there aren't any lol) you kind of wrote what I was writing about.....(hears Twilight Zone music....)

That word 'hermetic' stuck in my mind (red rag to a bull) overnight and I thought I'd get back to you on it - I know you keep a pretty keen eye on the entire board and it's always refreshing to hear what you have to say.

Did you 'clock' what I was saying on another thread about Hermes/Mercury/Hermanubis etc etc. Of course, Chiram has nothing to do with any of that!!

I really believe that Hermes/Mercury (his 'dark side' in vaccines eh?) is fundamental to know just what makes 'them' tick.....and so my Hermes research trundles on in the background... He/she/it crops up EVERYWHERE!!

Is Hermes a 'representation' of Lucifer in another guise?? I wonder indeed.

Hermes IS the 'messenger of the 'gods'' after all...

interesting.. :cool:

this is the last post i made this morning:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=966751&postcount=15010

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090502/videolthumb.22e9dbc3abe30709309aa7baeea6cb30.jpg?x =213&y=160&xc=1&yc=1&wc=399&hc=300&q=85&sig=pchhpBvQl.Dw.ILs3w4bLw--

fascinating picture, eh?

if your interpretation is correct, we have a double obama symbology.

a jesus-like figure for the masses, hermes/lucifer for those in the know.

[ex sheep]

Just had to say, enjoying this thread:)

[sukyspook]

interesting.. :cool:

this is the last post i made this morning:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=966751&postcount=15010

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090502/videolthumb.22e9dbc3abe30709309aa7baeea6cb30.jpg?x =213&y=160&xc=1&yc=1&wc=399&hc=300&q=85&sig=pchhpBvQl.Dw.ILs3w4bLw--

fascinating picture, eh?

if your interpretation is correct, we have a double obama symbology.

a jesus-like figure for the masses, hermes/lucifer for those in the know.

Dare I say: BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! lol - I think you could be right runciter - curiouser and curiouser!!!

Another couple of interesting things - Jim Fear (bless him) knew I was looking for The Orion Mystery. He found a copy last week at a car boot for 10p and promptly very kindly posted it to me - thanks again Jim ;)
I randomly opened it and began reading about.......Thoth/Hermes.......I later randomly opened it at a page about the Ben ben stone/obelisks/pheonix bird..... - in, of all weeks this one with the bizarre Dutch obelisk event, 'swine flu (H1N1 - another 11 there lol) - both of those subjects, along with other occult/demonic research are probably my two most fave topics.

Yesterday I went to a town I don't go to very often, say 3 x times a year and there was a brand new copy of 'Turning the Hiram Key' for £2!!!!

I 'get it' that something or rather more unlikely 'someone' is leaving a trail for me - this has been going on for several years in various forms....it's very interesting and of course, it would be rude not to follow 'the signs' lol!! Or am I just asking the right questions as in:

"ask and it shall be given, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened" - Ask Seek Knock = ASK!!!

Keep em peeled runciter, nice catch with Obama and the caduceus - it's all so interesting eh - don't know about you but life used to be pretty boring before I fully 'woke up'!!

I'm off the Brum now for the Freeman conference - can't wait - looking forward to being amongst like minds - as in your company Runciter!

Suke

[sukyspook]

Just had to say, enjoying this thread:)

Me too ex sheep - it's all VERY refreshing and so, so interesting!! It gives me the 'truth shivers' if you know what I mean, to know that others really do 'get it' and want a better world for us all.

I believe we really DO create reality collectively - we have to stop creating the one 'they' are continually programming us to manifest....ie swine flu 'fear' and the like...

Suke

[tyler]

You are aware of course that the Caduceous staff represents the Kundilini serpent and the the entwining two energies? Pinga? Something like that. Must look it up. Pingala?

The awakening of the Kundalini is so important. Sexual energy. Orgasm. Wilhelm Reich. Opening of the Chakras.

The earth's chakras. Where are they? Jerusalem?

The winged messenger of the Gods? Hermes, Mercury? Activate the Kundalini to receive messages? Meditation?

[theciape]

"GOD" is a word. So many people run screaming from this word. These people have distorted images of this word. Universally, the word GOD represents the unseen force of the Universe. You could just as easily use the word "Force" or "Universe" but most people on the planet understand the word "GOD" and have their own translation of this word. The purpose of religion is to destroy people's Love for GOD. Religion is a satanic anti-god movement to confuse and separate us all from truth. The truth is all around us, it is the natural world and universe we live in. To live with GOD is simply to live in harmony with nature. And so to challenge and attempt to replicate nature is to rebel against GOD.

[romas]

What's wrong with worshipping a man? Every single one on this planet, including every other living thing. Sometimes when you read these rants you know it's been written by someone with an age and under influence of one or the other organised religions.

[leviathanstaar]

What I thought was repitition of others for profit, has since moved into something else.

I hold no loyalties to any particular dogma, save that of the dogma I know I can attribute others to beleive when anylizing an agenda, connecting my own dots. They seem to be connecting faster as of late.

Like several others around I've come to know certain.....coincedences with information I will find and when. That isnt even a good example, I cant really bring myself to detail at the moment.

[leviathanstaar]

Where would be a good place to find information regarding Mercury? Thanks

[sukyspook]

You are aware of course that the Caduceous staff represents the Kundilini serpent and the the entwining two energies? Pinga? Something like that. Must look it up. Pingala?

The awakening of the Kundalini is so important. Sexual energy. Orgasm. Wilhelm Reich. Opening of the Chakras.

The earth's chakras. Where are they? Jerusalem?

The winged messenger of the Gods? Hermes, Mercury? Activate the Kundalini to receive messages? Meditation?

From memory Tyler I believe it's Ida and Pingala and yes, I know a bit about the chakras and kundalini.....'they' wish to keep us in the lower chakras as in the 'beast' mode as I call it. This 'they' do, as most of now know, by constantly creating mass fear for us all and only when we are truly, spiritually enlightned, not 'illuminated' as in Luciferianism, can we truly live in higher spritual/energy vibrations and 'know' God/The Divine Force in the Universe/ or whatever we care to call it - imo of course.

This higher 'frequency' is created through our living mindfully in unconditional love; joy; Truth; compassion; empathy, peace etc. 'They' wish the opposite so that they get to retain control of the system 'they' created here and which we're just awakening from.

I was talking about God* a lot yesterday at the Freeman conference in Brum and which is why I'm only just catching up on the Internet this morning. Thanks to all who organised it and I learned a lot about all kinds of stuff.

There truly are so many people waking up via various means to the reality that WE really do create the reality we think - and we must NOT create the 'mass concensus reality' of lower-based chakras that the current/outgoing controllers attempt to manipulate us into manifesting.

It was said - and I only read it again yesterday - that Delphi was the 'naval of the world'....it would appear that Jerusalem and Mecca are currently similar points - I need to do some more research on global leylines - and so many other things!!

This is all so wondrously fascinating - and addictive!

I'm just cooking brekky so will get back later with a couple of interesting links you might like later....

Suke

[apekteina lordosis]

It was said - and I only read it again yesterday - that Delphi was the 'naval of the world'....it would appear that Jerusalem and Mecca are currently similar points - I need to do some more research on global leylines - and so many other things!!


currently jerusalem is the "head", mecca is the "heart" and tibet is the "kidney".

[sukyspook]

Where would be a good place to find information regarding Mercury? Thanks

Here's an interesting video/series Leviathanstaar - watch part 6 initially in which Aleister Crowley can be heard invoking Thoth/Tahuti - listen carefully to what he's saying....he talks about the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, the 'Rose and Cross of Light and Life" = the Ankh which imo represent the male and female genitalia...in another form they would be the red and blue triangles of fire and water which comprise the hexagram.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_video_blog?user=muslimsunitedtv2&page=2

This is the text of Crowley's invocation:

http://www.golden-dawn.org/thoth.html

So just what is Aleister Crowley up to - given his links to all things occult and as rumoured he is the grandfather of George W Bush...?

I have a copy of 'The Goetia, The Lesser Keys of Solomon' which is introduced by Crowley and contains drawings of demonic entities which Crowley invoked/evoked. These 'entities' can help one achieve certain 'goals' in the material 'world' - but of course, there's a price that has to be paid...

The Emerald Tablets of Thoth:

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html


The Pyramid Text: - "read all about it" lolol

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/pyt/index.htm


Here's an interesting tid-bit as they say - this is within 3 miles of my home and I've never been there.....but just shows how important Thoth was/IS - imo...

http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/articles/tts/tts1906/summer/hemlockstone.htm

...and a random webpage - Thoth is aka Tot, Teut, Teutatis, Toutatis and other names....imo this HAS to be connected with the Teutonic Knights - and the double headed eagle...or is it double headed serpent/caduceus??

http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Hermes-Trismegistus-Thoth.htm

Demonic or "other dimensional entities", according to Islam as 'Jinn' can take three general forms:

‘The jinn are of three types: a types that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.”

http://ampin.wordpress.com/2006/10/27/special-article-the-jinn-part-1/

Hope this helps - it's a deep rabbit hole!

[sukyspook]

currently jerusalem is the "head", mecca is the "heart" and tibet is the "kidney".

Hmmm, we have the ingredients of nice casserole there lol!! - seriously though, do you have a link or 'subject' I can start to look into this Apekteina - we really do have to know what we're up against - and if possible, use it to improve humanity's 'lot' - although I would NEVER have anything to do with demonic entities, EVER - but the Jinn will find anywhichway they can to possess us...via addictions in especially - why do we call it the 'DEMON DRINK' lol - but through lower energy vibrations particularly which is why so much 'lamestream news' fearmongering these days.

I had a fascinating conversation with someone who is aware of Jinn/demonic entities yesterday - he confirmed something I had come to a conclusion about last week...as said, that's for another time - but Texe Marrs has quite a bit to say about such entities:

This isn't an ad for his book/video - just that he's awake and aware...
http://www.texemarrs.com/052009/devils_everywhere.htm

http://www.texemarrs.com/012006/demons_magic_mysticism_in_cabala.htm

Ah ha! The Eagle and the Serpent!
http://www.texemarrs.com/082004/eagle_and_serpent.htm

Thanks again Apekteina - I suspected such a 'chakra'/leyline connection - I'd like to know the remaining 'chakra' points but no worries if you don't have a link - I'll do some sleuthing.

[apekteina lordosis]

it's from the transcript of a covertly recorded speech from within the holy-oak hyper lodge...

http://www.nextagemission.com/theandromedians.htm

"…Brothers in the name of Draconian Yahweh Asmodai Jedi, of the Saturnian Lord and Lord of the Moon. After all that comprised the thesis of the teaching you have accepted, we would like to have them closed with antithesis and avoidance of certain actions that could endanger our great goal of the Atlantian group-of-races, through the extermination of the Andromedian-Dravidian group of races in our planet. We roundup the denials you have been taught by Brother STEINBERG. The nations, members of the Andromedian Dravidian group-of-races, FOR ANY GIVEN REASON MUST NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. The Atlantian group-of-races includes the 3 race branches of Israelites – Arabs – Touranian Mongols, this must remain hidden because of the danger from the revelation that the conflict between them is faked, in order for the Andromedians to remain disoriented.

2. The Atlantian group-of-races founded and commands U.S.A., Soviet Union, European Economic Community, China, this must remain hidden because of the danger from the revelation that the conflict between them is faked, in order for the Andromedians to remain disoriented.

3. Members of the Atlantian group-of-races Avarians, Bavarian Mongols of Germany created theory and action of Nazism – Fascism, this must remain hidden because of the danger from collapsing the Holocaust we created by genocide a part of our Atlantian Israelite people. Our brothers in the Name of Yahweh do not tantalize, because one tree bears fruit only after we lop it. We have destroyed one part of our people in order for the rest - who was without national zeal - to flourish.

4. All the religions of our planet were created by our Atlantians brothers with purpose their final unification, regardless their seemingly differences.

5. The head of our group-of-races is Israel, the heart of our group-of-races is Arabs, the kidney of our group-of-races is Touranian Mongols.

6. The head of the Andromedian Dravidian group-of-races is Hellas and the only way to get rid of this snake of knowledge and demystification, is its final fall and crash, after we raise it too high in the position of the International Peace & Security Leadership in order to take in its shoulders the full responsibility of the failures of International Management and the collapsing of Nations that we will secretly perpetrate through the Masonic lodges for the year 1995.

7. We will lead all the nations of the planet to ask the head of Hellas on the plate for its failure as a international leader of Peace & Security in the upcoming septennium and that will be our moral alibi in order to completely genocide the Andromedian Hellenic race. Hellas is surrounded by our Touranian Mongols brothers of Turkey, Albania, Bulgaria and our Arab brothers of the Mediterranean, and our nation Israel, all the above must remain hidden because of the danger from the revelation of the total genocide of Hellenes we perpetrate for the year 1995.

8. All the political ideologies corresponding to the colors of the rainbow were founded and are commanded by our Brothers in order to disorientate and divide Andromedian Dravidians Hellenes.

9. Hellas has passed from the occupation of our Touranian Mongols brothers of Turkey, to the occupation of our Israelite brothers of England and the USA.

10. That the main biblical religions that refer to Jerusalem, are the same regardless of their contradictions and that our Atlantian brothers wrote the “Protocols of the elder of Zion” in order for the Andromedians Goyim to believe in the alleged conflict between Judaism and Christianity. The Andromedian head Hellas will be the Political Antichrist of the upcoming septennium

11. The Atlantian Israel will be the Political Christ of the 1000 years socialism, until for the Master of the planet Satturn to take himself the everlasting government.

12. The Satturnian Lord will command the underground Nefeleim of AGANTA and SABALA and the nightmarish DEROS of the underground lodges to climb in the surface of the planet in order for Hellas to take additional impeachment during the kingship of the Political Antichrist of Hellas, and additional impeachment to the Andromedians that live in the inner cavity of the planet.

13. Nefeleim are the reproduced race from Epsilon Bootes that drove the 5 races of 5 planets to conquer the Earth, under Tamil’s leadership who is the high officer of Yahweh.

14. Yahweh and his people arrived in our local space of Earth using the ships Levanah (Moon) and Lilith, 12.500 years ago, colonizing with Atlantians the already colonized earth by Andromedians.

15. Yahweh and his people declared revolution against the Government of the Local Galaxy and thus against the Federal Government of the Local Group of Galaxies that have as a center Andromeda. Yahweh ordered Tamil to play the role of the “Devil”.

16. Yahweh under the names of Sin, and Zion, engaged in the conflict of the Uranus dynasties (Saturn and Zeus), and made alliance with the first rebels of Saturn, against the Galactic Government and against Zeus, the representative of the Galactic Government.

17. The 3 outer planets still obey in the Galactic Government while the 6 outer planets under Saturn obey to the great rebel Yahweh.

18. The ships of the Local Galaxy and Andromeda Galaxy have arrived in the orbital level of planet Neptune in order to engage for the restoration of Galactic Authority in our Solar System.

19. The forces and ships of Yahweh are in a disadvantageous technological position, but will defend to the last one with the help of the Nations of the Planets, like in our planet from the technology of USA, and the Soviet Union.

Alelou Yahweh Alelou Yah, Alelou Ia, Alelou Metatron, Alelou Asmodai."

[romas]

lol that's one clusterfk of mish-mash fiction, laughable.

[sukyspook]

currently jerusalem is the "head", mecca is the "heart" and tibet is the "kidney".

Apekteina - sadly I only breezed through your post after this one but it looks fascinating - I'll read it later, thankx - but whilst I have a few minutes - I came across this series of posts regarding world chakra points and some names I'm most familiar with!!

I'm not a fan of 'channelling' but....I am a fan of Dan Winter and haven't heard much of him of late - have a look - it's most interesting and as said, I'll need to read your post and this article in greater detail later:

Subject:
THOTH/ADAM-KADMON/DNA
Date:
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:53:44 +0000
From:
"Raphiem" <raphiem@onebox.com>
To:
dan@soulinvitation.com

Dan, this is quiet heavy, again courtesy of Rami Sadji ... there is more .. but I've only pieced together, pertaining stuff re: Thoth. This information
I believe is sourced mostly from Maia & Simeon.

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Atlantis. Thoth came to Earth from the Blue Star Rigel in Orion with an energetic patterning called the Enochian Table, which is mathematically
encoded into the plan of the Great Pyramid as blueprint to the Enochian Table. However the name Thoth became associated also with Hermes, the Greek God of Mercury (spiritualized mind), and Trismesgistus (meaning thrice great). Thoth is also associated with a combination of other souls as some known historical figures as Amenophis; Imenhotep; Hiram Abiff; Merlin; Enoch (Idres in Arabic) and John the Beloved/Divine.

Thoth Adam Kadmon: Lord Melchizedek, who descended to Earth from Venus in the Lemurian period; Enoch; Thoth or Thoth; Imenhotep; architect of King Zoser; King David; Zachariah, father of John the Baptist; St. John the Beloved.

Solomon Adam Kadmon: Noah, King Zoser of Egypt; Zarathustra; Samuel, a prophet and judge of Israel; the Melchizedek King of Salem, Salem is the old city of Ur Salem (Capitolas), today (Beit Ras / Irbed), King Solomon, son of David, Yeshua ben Josef (from the age of 12 to the Baptism.)

Thoth also tells us that the star Sirius holds the key for transmutation of galactic karma. In fact, one of its ancient names in Lemuria was Magha.

This is a word-form of the archetype Magda; as on Mary Magda-lene, who as we know represents the fallen galactic level within the fallen (Oritronic-Luciferic) universe. So here we can now begin to see the inter-relationship of galactic karma and the two key points on the Earth: Jerusalem and Mecca. They are the key geographical points which translate galactic level karma into our Earthen reality.

Thoth reveals the deeper nature of this Jerusalem-Mecca / Sirius A & B dynamic:

Thoth: The 'Heart of the Lion' is formed by Jerusalem and Mecca thus (see Figure 1): The DARK cube (Ka'bba) aligns with Mecca, and the STAR cube (Ormid) aligns with Jerusalem. The lemniscate (infinity eight loop) between the two is the 'field of the heart,' with the centre point being the actual 'Heart of the Lion.' This centre point is geographically located near Al Wadjih, Saudi Arabia. Here, buried beneath the sand is the ancient city of Merazhadec - the 'Lion of Melchizedek' or the 'Lion of Al-Khidr.**'
This city was also known in later times (but still very ancient by our standards) as Jiddi. The current city 'Jiddi' or 'Judah' next to Mecca was named after the more ancient Merazhadec / Jiddi that was located near Al Wadjih.
The centre point at Al Wadjih represents Sirius C, a hidden star of Sirius, thus creating a trinity the ancients called 'Hebola': the name of the power triangle formed in Sirius by these 3 stars. In most ancient Egypt this Sirian trinity was also represented by the Royal Family of Osiris (Father-God: Sirius A), Isis (Mother-Goddess:

http://www.greatdreams.com/thoth.htm

We can't ignore the importance of the Sirius star system - aka the 'Blazing Star' to some of our 'brothers' and 'sisters' (see Dogon Tribe of Mali).

I'm currently reading The Orion Mystery in which Thoth features large...

**Al Khidr is aka 'the Green Man' and St George!!!!! Osiris is often depicted with green skin - Robin Hood dresses in Lincoln Green and there's a statue of him looking very much like Orion here in Nottingham - imo of course!!:

http://www.freefoto.com/images/1035/02/1035_02_59---Robin-Hood-Statue--Nottingham_web.jpg?&k=Robin+Hood+Statue%2C+Nottingham

Ezekiel 28 (KJV)

1The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

2Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

snip

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

snip

King of Tyre - the original 'tyrant'?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2028;&version=9;

[jkdt0077]

hour 1 Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr1.mp3

hour 2 Jeff and Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr2.mp3

Tim's accompanying webpage: BE WARNED - it's a very deep and disturbing rabbit hole!:

http://www.mindovermatter.ru/RVScience/supernaturalspirit/rense_radio_show.html


So Tim Rifat is David Icke... and he's talking jibberish.

[tyler]

All good stuff, Suki. I've looked into this over the years and it always pulls me back.
Those in power know these ancient secrets and israel is expanding to encompass Egypt where the Pyramids are and they eventually want to take over Saudi Arabia where Mecca is. They have Iraq and all it's sacred sites.

Jerusalem has always been fought over and the Knights Templars are still alive and well, I believe.

Ever heard of Mercury being associated with White stone from the bible? Hence various whitestone ponds around the country.

Ignore the shills who pop their ignorant heads into this thread. They are way out of their depth.

We must continue to stay informed and a step ahead of the evil ones as they plot our destruction but the answers for us are within. We have to awaken our chakras and then awaken the earths chakras.
So you live in Nottinghamshire?
I am about to do some work on yet another Robin Hood movie that is being produced. Directed by whats-his-name who directed Blade Runner....Ridley Scott. Interesting! They keep making Robin Hood/Green man movies. Russell Crowe stars as Robin.
I once spent a week camping in Sherwood Forest with the Air Force doing my basic training.

[tyler]

Jerusalem was once called the Omphalos of the world.

[sukyspook]

All good stuff, Suki. I've looked into this over the years and it always pulls me back.
Those in power know these ancient secrets and israel is expanding to encompass Egypt where the Pyramids are and they eventually want to take over Saudi Arabia where Mecca is. They have Iraq and all it's sacred sites.

Jerusalem has always been fought over and the Knights Templars are still alive and well, I believe.

Ever heard of Mercury being associated with White stone from the bible? Hence various whitestone ponds around the country.

Ignore the shills who pop their ignorant heads into this thread. They are way out of their depth.

We must continue to stay informed and a step ahead of the evil ones as they plot our destruction but the answers for us are within. We have to awaken our chakras and then awaken the earths chakras.
So you live in Nottinghamshire?
I am about to do some work on yet another Robin Hood movie that is being produced. Directed by whats-his-name who directed Blade Runner....Ridley Scott. Interesting! They keep making Robin Hood/Green man movies. Russell Crowe stars as Robin.
I once spent a week camping in Sherwood Forest with the Air Force doing my basic training.

Russell Crowe as Robin Hood?? lol....if it's a Scott it's going to be something extraordinary!! I bet they won't be doing it in Sherwood Forest!! As a child I used to watch the original b+w TV series of Robin Hood with Richard Green - I never realised the significance of his name till I just thought about it and typed it now lol!!

I have no doubt that Robin Hood is an 'incarnation' of Osiris....or Nimrod, the 'mighty hunter before the lord'

Genesis 10:9
He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

Nimrod is an 'incarnation' of Baal.....his Mrs - Semiramis - the enclosure 'lady' - (imo she was no 'lady') - she was the "Queen of Babylon" - or as I refer to it 'BabyLondon'!!
http://ldolphin.org/semir.html


Robin Hood - yet another 'hero' for us to revere....but in the 'old religion', Robin has other disguises, Robin Goodfellow is one, Robin o' the Green as another and here's some more:

Wilson's Almanac on the Green Man
Related terms: Green Man Pan horned god Cernunnos Robin Goodfellow
pagan Robin Hood Puck death rebirth deity deities Jack in the Green

Who is the Green Man?

Pan, Puck, Robin Hood, and more

By Pip Wilson

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/green_man.html

snip

I've often searched for the reason the flag of the UK is called the 'Union Jack'....as with the 'knights of the garter', I have an idea that the 'Jack' is the same 'person' revered via the witches garter.....Jack o' the Green, another name for St George/Al Khidr - I really need to read this article more but for now, here it is - it would appear that St George certainly 'got about a bit ' as with Thoth/Mercury/Hermes/Toutatis and others which all need tying together on paper - and as with many other 'heroes' throughout history/mythology I certainly need to check the attributes of them all and see just 'who' we come up with!!

St. George The Ubiquitous

Written by Helen Gibson
Illustrated by Brian Smith

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/197106/st.george.the.ubiquitous.htm

....and always GREEN!!

Many years ago, 25 ish, I used to support the 'Green' Party and I also didn't need anyone else to tell me to recycle everything......

I ended my membership to Greenpeace about 3 years ago having been a member for years.....

The bottom line is we are looking at the worship of 'nature'/the material world and the control of everyone/thing in it.

We drop our guard at our peril!!

[tyler]

I read somewhere lately that Greenpeace is just another NWO front funded by the CIA. Probably the same with Friends of the Earth who we don't hear much from lately. "Lord" Jonathon Porrit used to run FoE when I worked there as a volunteer nearly twenty years ago. Some other "Lord" fronts Greenpeace going around pulling up GM crops.

[sukyspook]

I read somewhere lately that Greenpeace is just another NWO front funded by the CIA. Probably the same with Friends of the Earth who we don't hear much from lately. "Lord" Jonathon Porrit used to run FoE when I worked there as a volunteer nearly twenty years ago. Some other "Lord" fronts Greenpeace going around pulling up GM crops.

Indeed Tyler - that's the final reason I removed my "money" from Greenpeace ....Jonathan Porrit, imo, is a 'sell-out' and pal of globalist Prince Charles/Prince Andrew etc...follow the money to the 'top' to Maurice Strong, the Club of Rome, AL GORE etc etc who want to tax us all for breathing (carbon tax nonsense). There are links to 911 from there:

Jack Blood with WTC former employee Richard Andrew Grove:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpl503nxeac&feature=PlayList&p=18516B9B8EECABA6&index=0

I meant to respond to your 'white stone' post - no, I hadn't heard of Jerusalem as the 'white stone' - but it's obviously very important whatever the Truth is....I'm very interested in what I believe is OUR 'white stone', the pineal which, imo, when one knows the Truth becomes a 'new stone':

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=new+stone&qs_version=9

Hmmm, physical Mercury at work once again:

From The Sunday Times
May 3, 2009
'Green' lightbulbs poison workers

snip

Mercury is recognised as a health hazard by authorities worldwide because its accumulation in the body can damage the nervous system, lungs and kidneys, posing a particular threat to babies in the womb and young children.

snip

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6211261.ece

The 'messenger of the gods' eh - BUT WHICH 'GODS'??

[sukyspook]

I've watched the entire series: The Antichrist Dajjal will be a Reptilian Shapeshifter - (485/ish parts I think)....however, this is a re-interpretation which I feel is highly relevant to this 'conversation' - it's about the Antichrist's different MANIFESTATIONS throughout history - but just "who" or "what" IS the Antichrist......:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emgjAT2W-cg&feature=related

[ex sheep]

I've watched the entire series: The Antichrist Dajjal will be a Reptilian Shapeshifter - (485/ish parts I think)....however, this is a re-interpretation which I feel is highly relevant to this 'conversation' - it's about the Antichrist's different MANIFESTATIONS throughout history - but just "who" or "what" IS the Antichrist......:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emgjAT2W-cg&feature=related

Thanks for that, now while following on from those videos I came across a "gem" .......enjoy 5 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRR5grRt2fI&feature=related

[tyler]

Wow, thanks for that Sheep. An interesting perspective on religion and Satan. To think I have been a member of the Lucis Trust library for 30 years or so. Their headquarters in London are next to the Ministry of Defence just off Whitehall and in the same building in the adjoining offices is the British branch of the CFR...what are they called?
The UN Association has offices in the same building.
I must say that for years I have felt that Alice Baileys teachings are very deep and was impressed by them. Now I'm not so sure.
They do have an excellent occult library.

[c_f_f]

As a child I used to watch the original b+w TV series of Robin Hood with Richard Green - I never realised the significance of his name till I just thought about it and typed it now lol!!Small correction for the record -- I watched that show too, and as I recall it starred Richard Greene.

[michael christopher]

Lucifer is NOT SATAN.

Christians worship Satan and hate Lucifer, their own "messiah."

Do some research.

[onourwayto2012]

Small correction for the record -- I watched that show too, and as I recall it starred Richard Greene.

Awesome show....back in the days when we thought everything was great!

[sukyspook]

Small correction for the record -- I watched that show too, and as I recall it starred Richard Greene.

Ha haaaaaa - I did put the 'e' on - thought about it - then took it off - too lazy to look it up at the time - wot am I like lol!!

In 'the day' I would probably have got a 'see me' and then some lines:

I must try harder
I must try harder
I must try ha.....

;)

What a great series though - and the music: da daaa da da da da da da daaaaaaa....d d daaaaaaaaaa - (cue bow and arrow sfx.....)

Robin Hood, Robin Hood riding through the glen...
Robin Hood, Robin Hood with his band of men
Feared by the bad, loved by the good (??)
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, Robin Hoooooood -

but were we all being tricked into worshipping 'the Green Man' aka Osiris....

Thanks for the vid Ex-sheep - I'll check it out this very morning. ;)

[sukyspook]

Wow, thanks for that Sheep. An interesting perspective on religion and Satan. To think I have been a member of the Lucis Trust library for 30 years or so. Their headquarters in London are next to the Ministry of Defence just off Whitehall and in the same building in the adjoining offices is the British branch of the CFR...what are they called?
The UN Association has offices in the same building.
I must say that for years I have felt that Alice Baileys teachings are very deep and was impressed by them. Now I'm not so sure.
They do have an excellent occult library.

Hi Tyler - I have Madame Blavatsky's 'Secret Doctrine' open on my desktop as we type - awesome book - wasn't Alice Bailey taking over from Mme B a kind of coup?? I've learned a lot from Mme Blavatsky and it's a great reference book.

I have Alice Bailey's 'Treatise in White Magic' too which I picked up cheap from Oxfam - which again gives an insight into....well, that's the $64,000? isn't it!! I've also got some books on Luciferian Witchcraft from Michael Ford....they make VERY interesting reading - I first found them online then bought some.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6540531/Luciferian-Witchcraft-The-Mystery-Revealed

http://www.amazon.ca/Book-Witch-Moon-Michael-Ford/dp/1411681363

http://www.luciferianwitchcraft.com/mfordbooks.htm

I don't see many believers in Christ doing these kinds of rituals - do you??
;)

Believers in Christ don't need rituals......

[runciter]

Lucifer is NOT SATAN.

Christians worship Satan and hate Lucifer, their own "messiah."

Do some research.

the rebellion story is a hoax, satan is the hidden face of yahweh and lucy is still serving him.

yahweh is an impostor, lucifer is his slave, and they are keeping us separated from the true source.

[sukyspook]

Thanks for that, now while following on from those videos I came across a "gem" .......enjoy 5 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRR5grRt2fI&feature=related

Just watched p1 Exsheep - it pretty much says it all really doesn't it!

Nice find and thank you for sharing.

Now how do we ask all those people in the many and varied religions to watch part 1 which for me would be proof enough of how we've been 'had', ....and the 'stock' answer is "you never will because they've been trained to rely upon the system and not ask too many questions - it might mean they have to think for themselves...."

...and hence, 'the controllers' get to remain in control - sigh.

However, that kind of attitude aside - I will continue to believe that things WILL get better and we WILL throw off the shackles of those who would steal our very souls.

...back to part 2 - thanx again ;)

[runciter]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64094

:confused:

[ex sheep]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64094

:confused:

distraction:confused:

[runciter]

distraction:confused:

by whom and from what? :confused:

[christuffer]

How anyone can quote from the Bible, believing it hasn't been written, adapted and used by the elite from its beginning, I don't know???

[sukyspook]

by whom and from what? :confused:

I just took a peak runciter - I don't want to re-post what I said but I did say that I 'did' Nibiru already in 2002/3/4/5/6......

Who or what do you think's onboard and are they coming for the gold we sold off dirt cheaply???

I think the ultimate distraction, which is laid out in the video series Exsheep posted - (and I think it's kind of been said earlier in the thread) - is that 'they' don't want us to discover who we really are because we would 'throw them off' - and which is prolly why they want to wipe most of us out with a virus so 'they' get to keep their staus quo...

We create our reality which is why 'they' continually try to manipulate us with their propaganda methods to create 'their' version of what life should be like 'here' - they need the concensus to manifest that awful and dare I say 'satanic' scenario - aka just plain materialism with faux belief systems that through signs; symbols and rituals diverts our so called 'worship' to their god - a principle one imo readily identifiable as Baal in particular via the obelisks and 'groves' around the world.

Basically they're a sex cult and worship the phallus and female genitalia - everything else seems to work towards that 'function' - for want of a better word lol! Without sex there is no 'material existence' but I guess we could say they're working on the next step...or should that be working on their 'position' lol!

[sukyspook]

How anyone can quote from the Bible, believing it hasn't been written, adapted and used by the elite from its beginning, I don't know???

The Bible is a reference point, if nothing else - and I DO believe there is much spiritual wisdom in there.

I guess this just isn't your kind of thread 'christuffer' - don't let us keep you if you have something more important to do! ;)

[runciter]

Who or what do you think's onboard and are they coming for the gold we sold off dirt cheaply???


is there someone onboard? is it a material object? is it a hoax? is it anything?

i am open to all possibilities, but i have a tendency to exclude the negative ones.

[sukyspook]

is there someone onboard? is it a material object? is it a hoax? is it anything?

i am open to all possibilities, but i have a tendency to exclude the negative ones.

Bluebeam perchance??

I think we just have to watch......and wait.....and consider all possibilities.....but above all we mustn't panic or fear anything and be ever-mindful that we are constantly being distracted from that 'knowing' inside of us.

It is intriguing footage though runc....

[ex sheep]

by whom and from what? :confused:
sorry runciter, had to go out there, yes that's what I was thinking, big picture to get us focused on what's coming flu , planet x, keep us distracted from the now and what's happening now.

[ex sheep]

this coming of the second sun, I keep watching everything, might be possible, might be the sign for them before 2012 to bring in their NWO, we must stay focused.

[romas]

Lucifer is NOT SATAN.

Christians worship Satan and hate Lucifer, their own "messiah."

Do some research.




Well yes, but all they are just labels, most people probably couldn't even spell out what each label actually represents. If you ask some one what's evil and they begin sputing some verses like a broken record, you know their cognitive capabilities are that of an infant. If you confront and question obvious paradoxes they will only get pissed, because now they actually have to think.

[tyler]

Suky, have you come across Ouspenskys.." In Search of the Miraculous"

[sukyspook]

Suky, have you come across Ouspenskys.." In Search of the Miraculous"

I've heard of that book Tyler - but haven't read it.....I guess you think it might be of interest?? I'll investigate it - thank you. I do have 'The Fourth Way' by Ouspensky but have to admit only breezing through it for research.

I got a book out of the library today by Philip Zimbardo, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at Stanford University. He was the guy who carried out the Stanford Prison Experiment in 1971 to explain how abuse can happen.....he was also an "expert witness in the court-martial hearings of one of the American army reservists accused of criminal behaviour in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq."

The book I borrowed is called 'The Lucifer Effect, How Good people Turn Evil'.

I went to his site for a look and am now watching this video which might be of interest to anyone still looking for the Truth about Lucifer, Satan and Evil:

Philip Zimbardo: How ordinary people become monsters ... or heroes

http://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html

http://www.lucifereffect.org/

.....the book angel was at it again eh!!!!

[sukyspook]

Thanks for that, now while following on from those videos I came across a "gem" .......enjoy 5 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRR5grRt2fI&feature=related

Exsheep - I'm finally watching the series you posted - it's really very, very good....I'll be sharing it with others - and watching it again for my own benefit!

Thanks for posting the link - good find!

I got Thoth, Architect of the Universe by Ralph Ellis from the library too today - a difficult book but one which I know I'll have to try harder to make sense of. As 'Architect of the Universe', does that mean Thoth is the 'GREAT Architect' too? I'll let you know lol - but don't hold your breath - it might take a while to read this one.

Suke

[ex sheep]

Exsheep - I'm finally watching the series you posted - it's really very, very good....I'll be sharing it with others - and watching it again for my own benefit!

Thanks for posting the link - good find!

I got Thoth, Architect of the Universe by Ralph Ellis from the library too today - a difficult book but one which I know I'll have to try harder to make sense of. As 'Architect of the Universe', does that mean Thoth is the 'GREAT Architect' too? I'll let you know lol - but don't hold your breath - it might take a while to read this one.

Suke

That just hit me like a ton of bricks and especially the last 2 parts.
download the full version here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VGETRADO

Thanks for this thread :)

looking forward to whatever you dig up :)

[leviathanstaar]

Thanks for links suky checking this out tonight.

[decim]

T h o t h

The Holiest Of The Holies

[leviathanstaar]

uuu...ghhh...hhh

Not your fault, second video I get to among the first link, went to page one and there it is.


"verily" Why do all knowing Allah, and the profit M have to say that word so many times I feel like I'm on a lost episode of Seinfeld, anyone know?.

I swear every 6th word in Quaran is verily and drives me outta my mind when trying to watch muslim based stuff.

Not to mention: "ooooooyoooo hiyo biyoooooo poonjiaoooooooo"
I have to shut it right off when that starts.

[octopusrex]

lol yeah, i mean i enjoy reading some of the fine points Henry makes in all his articles,
but,
i dont know,
the guy still thinks 'old'.

Old can be quite okay in my book. Look at Jesus. His principal message: "do onto others" is still going strong.

Donno. I wish folks would just leave each other alone. If you want to pass your life smoking dope, fingering the cat and watching Homer Simpson on t.v. who is to say you can't?

[decim]

If you want to pass your life smoking dope, fingering the cat and watching Homer Simpson on t.v. who is to say you can't?

The RSPCA

[sukyspook]

T h o t h

The Holiest Of The Holies

That hadn't crossed my mind....but WHOSE 'Holiest of the Holies'???
Thanks for that - interesting....whoever Thoth/Hermes/Mercury really was/is, he's extremely important but in the lamestream he is rarely 'seen'. He's known by many names - Ralph Ellis has him as Idris in Islam and also as ENOCH!

I'm just listening to Len Horowitz on The Sting of (Alan) Stang....I've got several of Len Horowitz' books and heard an mp3 of him in around 2004 which alerted me to him and his exposure of the medical/military/industrial/pharmaceutical complex. Len has been having a 'bad press' of late because he has some kind of 'knighthood' and we all know what that means......perhaps 'they' thought they could buy him via his false ego. Don't think so somehow!

In the following mp3, Len is still spreading the same message and as then, exposing those who would 'rule the world', wipe out a huge part of the global population and make large $$$$$$£££££'s in the process. I know Len and Alan discuss the 'pandemic' (Pan - demon)/propaganda a lot but it's the very mindset of these 'entities' that Len discusses that is highly relevant to this topic on Lucifer/Luciferian mindset. Please listen if you 'feel' you should:

Alan Stang 04/30/2009 Report: Discussion with Dr. Len Horowitz about latest attempt to create a pandemic. "Hate Crimes" legislation passes House. Proposed legislation to shut down internet. Gardasil will be given to boys in UK. Indicting pandemic originators. Situation in Ecuador

Alan Stang 04/30/2009 Report:Dicussion with Dr. Len Horowitz about latest attempt to create a pandemic. "Hate Crimes" legislation passes House. Proposed legislation to shut down internet. Gardasil will be given to boys in UK. Indicting pandemic originators. Situation in Ecuador

WARNING - CONTAINS TALK OF SPIRITUAL MATTERS!

http://www.twowitnesses.us/alan_stang_04_30.MP3

http://www.twowitnesses.us/alan_stang_04_30.MP3

(I've left the mp3 link in twice hoping it might allow download if anyone wants to) - my cunning plan doesn't appear to be working - sorry! If you want the downloadable link, lemme know

[runciter]

Old can be quite okay in my book. Look at Jesus. His principal message: "do onto others" is still going strong.

Donno. I wish folks would just leave each other alone. If you want to pass your life smoking dope, fingering the cat and watching Homer Simpson on t.v. who is to say you can't?

fingering the cat? what else?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=752488&postcount=12

[sukyspook]

Tim Rifat is scheduled to be on with Jeff Rense tonight, Weds 6th May 2009. (subject to unforseen circumstances obviously).

WEDNESDAY
May 6, 2009

Michel Chossudovsky
Mexican Flu, Swine
Flu Or Human Flu?

From England
Tim Rifat
Zionism Is Satanism

http://www.rense.com/

Monday-Friday 7-10pm Pacific
10pm-1am Refeed
Sunday 7-10pm Pacific

I usually catch the re-feed at 0600 UK time but failing that, I'll post the link in a couple of days if anyone would like to listen.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

[runciter]

+ A common practice among the Illuminati is to adopt out their children. Then a biological father will impregnate his own daughter and the child will be sacrificed to Satan. (p.122)

http://www.savethemales.ca/conspiracy_classic_contains_ma.html

Surely the faith of folks who give their children up for human sacrifice is absolute. There is a story in the Bible about this.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=857321&postcount=34

[sukyspook]

uuu...ghhh...hhh

Not your fault, second video I get to among the first link, went to page one and there it is.


"verily" Why do all knowing Allah, and the profit M have to say that word so many times I feel like I'm on a lost episode of Seinfeld, anyone know?.

I swear every 6th word in Quaran is verily and drives me outta my mind when trying to watch muslim based stuff.

Not to mention: "ooooooyoooo hiyo biyoooooo poonjiaoooooooo"
I have to shut it right off when that starts.


I can't stop thinking back to this post you made Leviathanstaar....lol.....and in a way I can't disagree with you.

Having said that, I've learned a great deal and indeed have had some of my own theories confirmed by Muslims - not least from the epic series on youtube: The Antichrist Dajjal will be a Reptilian Shapeshifter and The Arrivals from Hashem and Noreaaga etc but one of my real favourites is Imran Hosein who I could listen to for hours - and often do, repeatedly, as my fave 'curiousity' is demonic ents; Dajjal/Antichrist, obviously Lucifer/Satan etc and of course, "politics" which means: poli = many, tics = blood sucking insects!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBisJ8jF6jE

Much Biblical/geo-political/spiritual info in here. If you can force yourself to start watching, I bet you'll watch the whole series. I dedicate the first couple of minutes to you Levianthanstaar!!

I really respect this man and I hope anyone who is really looking for answers and for Truth will watch it in its entirety.

WARNING: Spiritual content and lots of talk about the true function of The Heart...

Suke

[sukyspook]

http://www.savethemales.ca/conspiracy_classic_contains_ma.html


Quote:
Surely the faith of folks who give their children up for human sacrifice is absolute. There is a story in the Bible about this.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=857321&postcount=34

I agree that the faith of willing parents who consciously allow the sacrifice their children must be absolute - but so is mine when I believe that "though shall not kill" any of my fellow men/women - EVER - unless I and my family were being attacked in our own home when I would defend us as necessary.

I also know that if I heard a voice telling me to kill one of my children I would know that it was not the voice of the True Creator of Heaven and Earth and everyone in between......if I hear voices, I'll know I'm being 'had' and at worse would be under demonic/satanic attack...

[runciter]

i would call it absolute fear, absence of humanity, not faith :)

[sukyspook]

http://www.savethemales.ca/conspiracy_classic_contains_ma.html



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=857321&postcount=34

i would call it absolute fear, absence of humanity, not faith :)

I agree Runciter - if people are 'told' to sacrifice their children it has to be done in absolute FEAR which is, in essence, Antichrist - and is absolute 'faith' in satan, the 'god' of this world, the material existence which exists of and through the lower chakras and who, as all of us who 'know', rules purely through FEAR, LIES, HATRED, SICKNESS, HOPELESSNESS, ANGER, WAR, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, IGNORANCE etc etc as opposed to True Human Sovereignty which thrives in unconditional love; Truth; Peace; Joy; compassion; Wisdom; empathy; respect etc etc.

[runciter]

I agree Runciter - if people are 'told' to sacrifice their children it has to be done in absolute FEAR which is, in essence, Antichrist - and is absolute 'faith' in satan, the 'god' of this world, the material existence which exists of and through the lower chakras and who, as all of us who 'know', rules purely through FEAR, LIES, HATRED, SICKNESS, HOPELESSNESS, ANGER, WAR, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, IGNORANCE etc etc as opposed to True Human Sovereignty which thrives in unconditional love; Truth; Peace; Joy; compassion; Wisdom; empathy; respect etc etc.

yes suky, and i would say that true faith is the exact opposite of hopelessness.

knowing that the universe loves you, that life force (the 'holy spirit') is present everywhere.

[ex sheep]

This thread has everything I need to know.
Anything else now is a bonus.
I know what I have to do now.
Thanks.

[sukyspook]

http://www.savethemales.ca/conspiracy_classic_contains_ma.html



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=857321&postcount=34

This thread has everything I need to know.
Anything else now is a bonus.
I know what I have to do now.
Thanks.

Don't go - there's so much more we need to learn, know and share!!! and ain't it grand!! - don't forget Tim Rifat on Rense again tonight as posted earlier - I hope your 'knowing' isn't a realization that we're all posting bollox here lol.....

Watch the following short vid - Al Jassasseh is the entity that accompanies the Antichrist - it's a baboon-like entity (as spoken of in the Imran Hosein Antichrist video I posted earlier). The GREEN triangular/one eyed entity is called 'Mike' (Michael - no, surely not!)....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvOQeozL4S0

King Tut was the son of Akhenaten
By Zahi Hawwas

I had an exceptional adventure recently. It was at a site in Middle Egypt known as Al-Ashmunein, known in Greek as Hermopolis after the Greek god Hermes, and known to the ancient Egyptians as Thoth, the god of wisdom. The site contained a temple dedicated to Thoth, and a large statue of the god in the form of a baboon can still be seen today. I hold Al-Ashmunein close to my heart because 40 years ago I started my career as an inspector of antiquities only a few kilometres away, at Tuna Al-Gabal.

snip

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2009/929/he2.htm

[octopusrex]

The RSPCA

Rabid Scorpio Pundit Colored Atheists? :confused:

[octopusrex]

fingering the cat? what else?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=752488&postcount=12

Whatever else the cat wants, I suppose.:D

See, the way I look at it, there are two types of people: those who live in fear and hatred of others and those who don't. Folks who don't live in fear and hatred, they usually are the least likely to take part in stuff like: lynchings, witch-hunts, gay-bashing... Folks who do live in fear and hatred of others ...

Well, you get the picture, don't you.

[runciter]

There is a much bigger process occuring here at this time.

The Illuminati and all their mis-guided minions are in for a surprise. They will be caught off-guard at the worst possible time....they always are. :)

Rest assured, the buck does eventually stop with God, there is no getting around this.

The Illuminati are not exposing themselves, we are!

The light will shine on them and everything in creation and the everyone will see for themselves the the illusions and the truths.

These evil dumbf*cks have no idea what they are doing but even if they read this and believed it, it would make no difference to their ultimate demise.

They feel it creeping up on them, just like their tyranny has been slowly creeping up on this planet, they will all be exposed as the gutless greed-driven coachroaches they are and the remaining one's will run knowing full well they have absolutely no chance against us, God's light!

It may get ugly, it may get tough but the end result has already occurred, it's just a matter of "time".

Lucifer can do all it likes to no avail, for it is against creation in all its forms. So shall it become formless and disappear from our reality and all other realities in it's quest to create it's own disillusioned reality.

My message to all evil thought forms: YOU CANNOT DESTROY CREATION, FOR CREATION IS ALL THERE IS!!!

the end result has already occurred, i think you're right :)

speaking of time, the time has come to change my creepy avatar.

[ex sheep]

Nah not going sukyspook

Its just what I have to do with me, personal thing :)

Its just I see things more clearly now, thanks to this thread :)


.

[runciter]

Whatever else the cat wants, I suppose.:D

you shouldn't treat living creatures like objects, you don't know what the cat really "wants".

See, the way I look at it, there are two types of people: those who live in fear and hatred of others and those who don't. Folks who don't live in fear and hatred, they usually are the least likely to take part in stuff like: lynchings, witch-hunts, gay-bashing... Folks who do live in fear and hatred of others ...

Well, you get the picture, don't you.

i don't hate you, even if i think you have written disgusting things, here and in other threads.

[sukyspook]

the end result has already occurred, i think you're right :)

speaking of time, the time has come to change my creepy avatar.

Ha haaaaa lolol - it wasn't your avatar Runciter that reminded me - I posted about Monsters Inc at the 'weird stuff' section - you know, near to where the 'brothers' post...I don't go there as it's pretty scary moving in such circles!!

I put off watching Monsters Inc for a long time....then when i watched it I couldn't believe what I was seeing - the dimensional doorways and the frightening of the children....it's all there!!

[sukyspook]

Nah not going sukyspook

Its just what I have to do with me, personal thing :)

Its just I see things more clearly now, thanks to this thread :)


.

....and that's why most of us post stuff here....it's all about 'finding' ourselves and our place 'in it' - it all helps and looooong may it continue.

I'm glad this is helping you 'know' - there are millions, nay billions of 'us' and a relative few of 'them'. However, it all begins and ends within our own heart that impact the wider world and subsequently the concensus reality...

Love n hugs
Suke

Mulder and Scully.......Mike and Sully.....hmmmm

[lizzy]

I agree Runciter - if people are 'told' to sacrifice their children it has to be done in absolute FEAR which is, in essence, Antichrist - and is absolute 'faith' in satan, the 'god' of this world, the material existence which exists of and through the lower chakras and who, as all of us who 'know', rules purely through FEAR, LIES, HATRED, SICKNESS, HOPELESSNESS, ANGER, WAR, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, IGNORANCE etc etc as opposed to True Human Sovereignty which thrives in unconditional love; Truth; Peace; Joy; compassion; Wisdom; empathy; respect etc etc.

;)....Yes....

...then in which age /ion, (as Summeria emerged with a complete undersanding of the 25,000 yr astrological Great Age cycle and a through knowledge of mind control) did evil , the thirst for power , a sense of "superiority' emerge....50, 75, 100, 125, 150-60,000 yrs ago?
But this looks like the one they will 'have the whole world'.....go(o)dness has to eventually win or humanity is extinct. The elite bloodline is so contaminated it can never breed goodness again.....

Do No Harm......Can that predominate? or will we live out Brave New World?

The Roths, Rockers, UN, NGO's, all the foundations , political / military are the evil humanity must hold out against...

Perhaps we will get a miricle , anyone GROK;)......

do hope you guys enjoy the freeman seminar.....

....not sure about Tim Rifat's geo-'fallout'....but a few billion are slated to die somewhere...............see you in the neo -Stalinist holiday camp :eek:

Makow wrote another spot on piece.....for those who think he is anti feminist , in part, I don't think he is......he just gets how women have been manipulated into the workforce , away from child rearing , paying tax and used to undermine men in general.

[lizzy]

yes suky, and i would say that true faith is the exact opposite of hopelessness.

knowing that the universe loves you, that life force (the 'holy spirit') is present everywhere.

runciter.....I dam well hope yur right.....;).opps, no damming.....wishing,hoping and yep,praying.

[sukyspook]

;)....Yes....

...then in which age /ion, (as Summeria emerged with a complete undersanding of the 25,000 yr astrological Great Age cycle and a through knowledge of mind control) did evil , the thirst for power , a sense of "superiority' emerge....50, 75, 100, 125, 150-60,000 yrs ago?
But this looks like the one they will 'have the whole world'.....go(o)dness has to eventually win or humanity is extinct. The elite bloodline is so contaminated it can never breed goodness again.....

Do No Harm......Can that predominate? or will we live out Brave New World?

The Roths, Rockers, UN, NGO's, all the foundations , political / military are the evil humanity must hold out against...

Perhaps we will get a miricle , anyone GROK;)......

do hope you guys enjoy the freeman seminar.....

....not sure about Tim Rifat's geo-'fallout'....but a few billion are slated to die somewhere...............see you in the neo -Stalinist holiday camp :eek:

Makow wrote another spot on piece.....for those who think he is anti feminist , in part, I don't think he is......he just gets how women have been manipulated into the workforce , away from child rearing , paying tax and used to undermine men in general.

I don't think you or I will meet in ANY 'camp' or queue for such a place Lizzy.....that's for those who can't, don't or won't THINK for themselves - and at the point of a gun - no thanks, I ain't goin'! As for Makow - I am of a similar generation as he - and I KNOW as a woman/mother that all we got for burning our bras was ultimately more stress; guilt; and disappointment - after the intitial excitement of short-lived material "gain".....

There are millions, nay billions more of 'us' than them.....I hope it's not just me who believes in 'Divine Intervention'....even if it's just to awaken more to not accept 'the programming'....

As for Tim's geo 'fallout' - I've been on ordinary chats of late where folks who I thought were Truthseekers support the obliteration of 5/6ths of the global population and that they actually 'deserve their destruction'!!! Unbelievable! ...and these so called "truthseekers" think they're part of the spiritual solution!!!

I wish there was another word for 'hope' as it's been worn out by the obamanation - but I have oodles of it and knowing the Truth of all things is the first step to changing our concensus reality and so the investigation of all things continues.

Suke xx

[sardonicus]

Originally Posted by sukyspook
I agree Runciter - if people are 'told' to sacrifice their children it has to be done in absolute FEAR which is, in essence, Antichrist - and is absolute 'faith' in satan, the 'god' of this world, the material existence which exists of and through the lower chakras and who, as all of us who 'know', rules purely through FEAR, LIES, HATRED, SICKNESS, HOPELESSNESS, ANGER, WAR, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, IGNORANCE etc etc as opposed to True Human Sovereignty which thrives in unconditional love; Truth; Peace; Joy; compassion; Wisdom; empathy; respect etc etc.

For me, that is exactly it in a nutshell suke! So many people have been so completely traumatised and been lulled into such a state of fear-induced robotic lethargy and susceptability to suggestion, they will do almost anything the PTB (via their 'puppet governments'), tell them to do without even batting an eyelid or thinking about the dire consequences. It is very worrying indeed.

I have always wondered about how they use the controlled media - mass hypnosis - why the constant bombardment of gut-wrenching 'news' about wars, murders, violence, rapes, stabbings, revenge killings, muggings, famines, floods, diseases and human tragedy and suffering etc... making the many truly believe that we human beings are incapable of doing anything good to or for one another; that we cannot be loving, compassionate or nice to one another - peer pressure to do evil things to one another and commit heinous crimes. It's all HATE HATE HATE, REVENGE REVENGE REVENGE, and the DOG-EAT-DOG mentality which is being broadcasted 24/7 on the tv, and in movies and in console and pc games.

'There's' is an all out attack upon people's spirituality - the mass dumbing down, the mind-numbing lies and propaganda, the sickening oppression, the stifling suppression - an attempt to prevent peoples full realisation of what we are, who we are and where we came from. To twist, to warp, to blind and eventually destroy humanity.

It's pure evil.

And as David Icke has said many times - 'this 'thing' at the top of the pyramid cannot be a human entity because it's too smart.'

Beginning to come around to your way of thinking Suke...

[sukyspook]

For me, that is exactly it in a nutshell suke! So many people have been so completely traumatised and been lulled into such a state of fear-induced robotic lethargy and susceptability to suggestion, they will do almost anything the PTB (via their 'puppet governments'), tell them to do without even batting an eyelid or thinking about the dire consequences. It is very worrying indeed.

I have always wondered about how they use the controlled media - mass hypnosis - why the constant bombardment of gut-wrenching 'news' about wars, murders, violence, rapes, stabbings, revenge killings, muggings, famines, floods, diseases and human tragedy and suffering etc... making the many truly believe that we human beings are incapable of doing anything good to or for one another; that we cannot be loving, compassionate or nice to one another - peer pressure to do evil things to one another and commit heinous crimes. It's all HATE HATE HATE, REVENGE REVENGE REVENGE, and the DOG-EAT-DOG mentality which is being broadcasted 24/7 on the tv, and in movies and in console and pc games.

'There's' is an all out attack upon people's spirituality - the mass dumbing down, the mind-numbing lies and propaganda, the sickening oppression, the stifling suppression - an attempt to prevent peoples full realisation of what we are, who we are and where we came from. To twist, to warp, to blind and eventually destroy humanity.

It's pure evil.

And as David Icke has said many times - 'this 'thing' at the top of the pyramid cannot be a human entity because it's too smart.'

Beginning to come around to your way of thinking Suke...

Your sentiments were perfectly put Sardonicus, perfect.

We're always confronted with: "today someone was murdered/stabbed/blown up/poisoned". However, the reality is that: "today - almost 6 billion people DIDN'T HARM ANYONE ELSE and lived in peace, harmony and wanted the same for their fellow man/woman"

I love your para as highlighted, which is what humanity is confronted with every day - so how come so many of us 'know' the agenda and yet still it seems to continue?

I don't think it's 'my' way of thinking Sardonicus but the 'RIGHT' way of thinking for an authentic human being

As David called it many years ago and is one of his book titles: Truth Vibrations - is the vibe we should all live in....and whether we think this is possible or not - what's wrong with consciously attempting to do it every day as I really try to do - with quite a few disappointments and more than the odd failure, but that's just being 'human' I guess. There really IS no other solution imo.

Many people can't accept the reality that we really only have two choices. One FOR humanity and one for, well....you know the rest.

...and just having run up the garden and still thinking about your post - I don't know if you have children, but I do and I remember even when I was small I used to 'nag' my parents until I got my 'way' with what I wanted. Likewise, we just have to keep nagging away until the lamestream media can't ignore the reality that they have been working to suppress for so long - that might not be so far off looking at articles such as this one - yayyyyyyyy!!:

"Losses jump 17% at Murdoch's Times as advertising slides"

"Rupert Murdoch's flagship UK newspapers have been suffering in the credit crunch as profits shrank at The Sun and the News of the World and losses grew at The Times and Sunday Times, newly published annual accounts revealed today.

Times Newspapers, publisher of The Times and Sunday Times, reported that losses jumped 17% from £43.9 million to £51.3 million in the year to 29 June 2008 - before the collapse of Lehman Brothers and recession hit the advertising market.

News Group Newspapers, publisher of The Sun and the News of the World, announced profits fell to £55.1 million for the same period, down from £61.8 million a year earlier."

snip

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-business/article-23685727-details/Losses+jump+17+at+Murdoch%27s+Times+as+advertising +slides/article.do

I see all this as an ongoing erosion of the Luciferian 'control' pyramid and given that their power comes from the control of "money" which gives them the 'power' to 'control' us by buying their way into controlling our minds anywhichway, we have to cut off their 'life's blood' aka dosh!

Much love to you - which, bottom line, is what it's all about.

[decim]

Rabid Scorpio Pundit Colored Atheists? :confused:

Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

[sukyspook]

Here's Tim Rifat on Jeff Rense show from earlier this week as promised:

Hour 2 - From England - Tim Rifat - Zionism Is Satanism

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/May2009/j62vr1/rense_050609_hr2.mp3

....and part 8 of Conspiritus - interesting caption at 1' 34":

"But if you are an insider talking about demons they will get rid of you just like they did with John Todd and Fritz Springmeier"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci9SGgP6cGI

And from the same Luciferian mindset: The Real Reason for the Switch from Analogue to Digital - scroll down the page for a very revealing video with links to pertinent songs/artists!

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/media/television/news.php?q=1241732256

If you haven't already seen this - it's worth the time - WARNING - it gets a little "eeoowwww" towards the end as in exposing satanic rituals.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2134284036772812990&ei=qvEDSsOAI4XN-Qb394XPDg&q=exposing+the+illuminati+from+within

[sukyspook]

Sorry - long post but I'm inspired.....

Protocol 14: - Regarding the 'timely' release of extraordinary expenses claims of "mp's" to disgust we the people....(the whole agenda is in The Protocols):

The errors of the GOYIM governments will be depicted by us in the most vivid hues.

We shall implant such an abhorrence of them that the peoples will prefer tranquillity in a state of serfdom to those rights of vaunted freedom which have tortured humanity and exhausted the very sources of human existence, sources which have been exploited by a mob of rascally adventurers who know not what they do ....

USELESS CHANGES OF FORMS OF GOVERNMENT TO WHICH WE INSTIGATED THE "GOYIM" WHEN WE WERE UNDERMINING THEIR STATE STRUCTURES, WILL HAVE SO WEARIED THE PEOPLES BY THAT TIME THAT THEY WILL PREFER TO SUFFER ANYTHING UNDER US RATHER THAN RUN THE RISK OF ENDURING AGAIN ALL THE AGITATIONS AND MISERIES THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion5.htm#protocol%20No.%2013

Mind Games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ny42Mdg5qo&feature=PlayList&p=3264633B548CECEE&index=0

Lyrics:

We're playing those mind games together
Pushing the barriers, planting seeds
Playing the mind guerrilla
Chanting the mantra, peace on earth
We all been playing those mind games forever
Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil
Doing the mind guerrilla
Some call it magic, the search for the grail

Love is the answer and you know that for sure
Love is a flower, you got to let it, you got to let it grow

So keep on playing those mind games together
Faith in the future, outta the now
You just can't beat on those mind guerrillas
Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind
Yeah we're playing those mind games forever
Projecting our images in space and in time

Yes is the answer and you know that for sure
Yes is surrender, you got to let it, you got to let it go

So keep on playing those mind games together
Doing the ritual dance in the sun
Millions of mind guerrillas
Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel
Keep on playing those mind games forever
Raising the spirit of peace and love

Love...
(I want you to make love, not war, I know you've heard it before)

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Mind-Games-lyrics-John-Lennon/8BC6A933577F16B148256BCA00080390

Stayin' Alive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCAjmuA1HDk

Lyrics:

Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a woman's man—no time to talk.
Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around
Since I was born.
And now it's all right. It's OK.
And you may look the other way.
We can try to understand
The New York Times' effect on man.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin', people,
Stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Well now, I get low and I get high,
And if I can't get either, I really try.
Got the wings of heaven on my shoes;
I'm a dancin' man and I just can't lose.
You know it's all right. It's OK.
I'll live to see another day.
We can try to understand
The New York Times' effect on man.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin', people,
Stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Life’s goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life’s goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
Stayin' alive.

Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a woman's man—no time to talk.
Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around
Since I was born.
And now it's all right. It's OK.
And you may look the other way.
We can try to understand
The New York Times' effect on man.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin', people,
Stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Life’s goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life’s goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
I’m stayin' alive.

etc

Allentown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4qzwmeXNQA

Lyrics:

Allentown Lyrics
Artist Billy Joel


Well we're living here in Allentown
And they're closing all the factories down
Out in Bethlehem they're killing time
Filling out forms
Standing in line.

Well our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers at the USO
Asked them to dance
Danced with them slow
And we're living here in Allentown.

But the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
aaaaaaah aaahhhhh ooooooooh ooooooh ohhhhhhh.

Well we're waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved.

So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No they never taught us what was real
Iron and coal,
Chromium steel.

And we're waiting here in Allentown.
But they've taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaah.

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got.
If something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face, oh oh oh.

Well I'm living here in Allentown
And it's hard to keep a good man down.
But I won't be getting up todaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy
aaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaah.

GUITAR SOLO

aaaaaaah aaaaaaah aaaaaaah oh oh oh.

And it's getting very hard to staaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

And we're living here in Allentown.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Allentown-lyrics-Billy-Joel/0AE8791D80B8FC4948256870001C98F3


Billy Joel: We Didn't Start the Fire:...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP0APvTSMMw

Lyrics

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, "The King and I", and "The Catcher in the Rye"

Eisenhower, vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

CHORUS
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it


Josef Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc

Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dacron
Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock

Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland

Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, Bridge On The River Kwai

Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California Baseball,
Starkwether, Homicide, Children of Thalidomide

Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia
Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go

U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Hemingway, Eichmann, Stranger in a Strange Land,
Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion

Lawrence of Arabia, British Beatlemania
Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson

Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British Politician sex
J.F.K. blown away, what else do I have to say

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock

Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan

Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz

Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning.
We didn't start the fire
But when we are gone
It will still burn on, and on, and on, and on...

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire...
.........and here's the mp3 that inspired this post:

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/We-Didn%27t-Start-The-Fire-lyrics-Billy-Joel/C753C82435AC97D148256870001F1100


May 7: Lenny and Mrs. Steele expose the subliminal messages in Rock Music and Disco (Discarnate man) with a McLuhanesque update on music and the news and the electric effects on man.

http://thatradio.podhoster.com/download/1617/12308/shock_talk_2009-05m-07.mp3

.....AND YOU ASK WHAT'S THIS GOT TO DO WITH 'LUCIFER'S REBELLION'? - if you need to ask the question, you just don't 'get it' and therefore are not equipped to SOLVE IT first for yourself then for humanity - hopefully!!!

[tyler]

Billy Joel's Allentown, hah! I have a good friend whom I correspond with who lives in Allentown. All these incremental coincidences that are coming out of this thread every day!
Suky, you are doing a lot of thinking and mulling over stuff lately. How do you find time to do important stuff like watch Britain Has Got Talent and go down to MacDonalds and go to the mall etc. Wonderwoman!

Love the Tim Rifat stuff though he never shuts up an poor old Rense can't get a word in edgeways!

[sukyspook]

Billy Joel's Allentown, hah! I have a good friend whom I correspond with who lives in Allentown. All these incremental coincidences that are coming out of this thread every day!
Suky, you are doing a lot of thinking and mulling over stuff lately. How do you find time to do important stuff like watch Britain Has Got Talent and go down to MacDonalds and go to the mall etc. Wonderwoman!

.....it's all I do - well, as much as possible!! Sad life eh - NOT!! I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm obsessed with finding the truth of everything - to hell with XFactor - X being a symbol of Osiris of course - another aspect of Indara = Andrew as in St Andrew lol.

Love the Tim Rifat stuff though he never shuts up an poor old Rense can't get a word in edgeways!

I know what you mean - I cringe every time a break comes up.....lol.
There's another from Red Ice with Lon Milo Duquette re Enochian magick/occult etc - part 2 from just before half way's the best for this - he said of his Masonic experiences: "it's not what they're learning but what they're BECOMING"... Here are the links if you haven't already heard them:

p1
Lon Milo Duquette - Aleister Crowley, O.T.O. & The Thoth Tarot Deck
May 7, 2009
Esoteric writer, speaker and the United State Deputy Grand Master of the O.T.O. Lon Milo DuQuette joins us on the program to discuss Aleister Crowley, Enochian Magick, the DVD series "The Great Work", The Thoth Tarot Deck, Freemasonry and much more. Topics Discussed: Human Consciousness, Losing the Ego, Western and Eastern Mysticism, A.M.O.R.C., Psychedelic drugs, O.T.O., Builders of the Adytum, B. O. T. A., The Toth Tarot Card Deck, The Fool Card, Aleister Crowley and Frieda Harris, Paganini, Was Crowley a Satanist? Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Vedanta Society, Mountain Climbing Expedition, the Bloody Sacrifice, Sacrifice of a Male Child, Veiled Terminology for Masturbation, The Composition of the Thoth Tarot Card, Graphic Technique Projective Synthetic Geometry, Euclid Geometry, Nuit, Hadit, The Star Goddess, Ra-Hor-Kuit and much more. We talk more with Lon Milo in our members section about Enochian Magic, Initiatory Societies, Secret Societies, Magical Orders, Freemasonry and the O.T.O. We'll begin to go into some more detail about Enochian Magic and we talk about some of the different systems and what the purpose for learning and studying some of these techniques are.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/05may/RICR-090507-lmduquette.mp3

P2
Lon Milo Duquette - Enochian Magic, Initiatory Societies & Freemasonry
May 7, 2009
We talk more with Lon Milo in our members section about Enochian Magic, Initiatory Societies, Secret Societies, Magical Orders, Freemasonry and the O.T.O. We'll begin to go into some more detail about Enochian Magic and we talk about some of the different systems and what the purpose for learning and studying some of these techniques are. Topics Discussed: Enochian Vision Magick, Golden Dawn, Elemental Universe, Matter and Energy, The four Elements, Fire, Earth, Air and Water, Evocation and Invocation, Scrying, Elemental magic, Aetheric System, Path Working, 10 levels consciousness, 30 levels consciousness, Kabbalah, Goetia Invocation, The Lesser Key of Solomon, Devices, Thelemic Magic, O.T.O., A.A., Freemasonic Initiation, Secrets of Magical and Fraternal Orders, Crowley's Degree Initiation System, Criticism of Freemasonry. To listen to the first segment go here.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/05may/RICR-090507-lmduquetteo3o-SUB.mp3

[ex sheep]

Thanks sukyspook,
have to go out now but will get stuck in later;)

[realy]

looking at Tim Rifat website can make one nuts idk about this guy_selling all this stuff to only people from russia or china? all americans are possessed and lost? and he also has a monopoly on this spiritual technology stuff? wow! i see confusion and despair in what he is detailing, cept if you are rich you can get some of his goodies(figures:D)_whenever one person claims to hold the truth, its not a good sign. also reading some of his stuff makes it sound like he has hands on experience in child sacrifice, then he jokes that the rothchilds are his friends:eek: jeez idk............. only thing i can say is lets all stay very vigilant regarding everything in this world.

[leviathanstaar]

Some ..play on words


Mercury

Mercy cure / mirror / no mercy cause

[thenewhero2012]

we can all judge them we can all say there is a iluminati, demons, lucifer and all
other forces pulling our asses...but after all we the human kind are devided...we dont want unity...as seen in sport and in other things in life, there will be boring if we are united...yesterday one man tell me "when will be a new war, i am sick of boringnes"...i belive many people have the same opinion as him.
i allway come back to one thread from the above top secret of that guy hidden hand...when was the last time we think of something pure and beautifull...we are building our own prisson...infinite prison of terror and darknes...dont tell me i am wrong just look deep inside...greed, hatred.........................it is all our fault...no need to blame no one

[tyler]

Most gurus or those who claim to know it all are deeply flawed but it's still worth reading what they have to say. Tim is incredibly self centred. It shows in the way he drones on through Rense's interview. No thought for poor Rense struggling to get a word in. nevertheless he does say some interesting stuff and is spot on about much of what the so called elite get up to.
We all must do our own research and take bits and peices from everybody who is speaking out including David Icke who doesn't have all the answers and merely gets his information like the rest of us from the internet and books etc.
Regular meditation and clean living brings us closer to the source and our intuition will do the rest. We are shown where to look and what to do and who to believe. That is our priority....refine ourselves and hone our intuition and to let go and let God (or whatever you want to call the Force that guides us)
The more we do that, the more we will be lead to the truth. We learn to discern!

[tusme]

Most gurus or those who claim to know it all are deeply flawed but it's still worth reading what they have to say. Tim is incredibly self centred. It shows in the way he drones on through Rense's interview. No thought for poor Rense struggling to get a word in. nevertheless he does say some interesting stuff and is spot on about much of what the so called elite get up to.
We all must do our own research and take bits and peices from everybody who is speaking out including David Icke who doesn't have all the answers and merely gets his information like the rest of us from the internet and books etc.
Regular meditation and clean living brings us closer to the source and our intuition will do the rest. We are shown where to look and what to do and who to believe. That is our priority....refine ourselves and hone our intuition and to let go and let God (or whatever you want to call the Force that guides us)
The more we do that, the more we will be lead to the truth. We learn to discern!
Good post, Tyler...!!

I could be mistaken on this one...in a recent interview, thought I heard Tim Rifat admitting to be part of an "occult"...an "occult for good"...!? :confused:

[tyler]

Good post, Tyler...!!

I could be mistaken on this one...in a recent interview, thought I heard Tim Rifat admitting to be part of an "occult"...an "occult for good"...!? :confused:

Most of us on this forum are in the good club! There are a few shills who are placed here to disrupt things but we are all seeking and we are all at different levels of awareness. What David Icke has to say will suit some at one particular level. Tim Rifat appeals to others and some of us take bits and pieces from everybody. At the moment I am being fed by Sukyspook!!
Tomorrow it might be Ouspensky again or somebody totally new to us all.
Above all, that still small voice within is guiding me. It's all pretty basic really and has all been said before. The Bible teaches us a lot and so do the writings of the Saints. St Augustine, St. John of the Cross and his Dark Night of the Soul, the author of The Cloud of Unknowing etc, etc....
Yesterday I had to go to an audition for a movie at Friends Meeting House in Euston Road, London and I discovered that there was a huge Convention of Narcotics Anononymous going on there this weekend. I had a shufti at their programme of 12 Steps and was invigorated! (google it) Afterwards I wandered over to Euston station and noticed the War memorial that stood there. It was an obelsik. Surprise, surprise! Not!
Back home I read in some newspaper that the Euston Arch is to be re-erected in front of that obelisk. I love what I get shown every day. No coincidences. Just let go and be guided.

What shall I do with the rest of this beautiful Sunday? Where will the spirit move me? I've just got back from the Devils Grocery Tesco, ZZ Top blasting at full volume out of the open windows of my car, cheering up the odd kindred spirit on the way and no doubt doing damage to my poor, long sufferings dogs ears! Maybe not. His barks are way up there on the decibel count so I'm sure he can cope with ZZ Top!

[sukyspook]

looking at Tim Rifat website can make one nuts idk about this guy_selling all this stuff to only people from russia or china? all americans are possessed and lost? and he also has a monopoly on this spiritual technology stuff? wow! i see confusion and despair in what he is detailing, cept if you are rich you can get some of his goodies(figures:D)_whenever one person claims to hold the truth, its not a good sign. also reading some of his stuff makes it sound like he has hands on experience in child sacrifice, then he jokes that the rothchilds are his friends:eek: jeez idk............. only thing i can say is lets all stay very vigilant regarding everything in this world.

IMHO ignore all the self-opiniated/egotistical stuff on Tim's site - and the special offers etc - there are HOURS of reading on there and believe me it pretty much sums up our collective enemy - the enemy of all 'right thinking' humanity that is.

Anyone who would go in for that kind of black magick - and it IS black - needs to be very careful indeed. Whatever you care to call them, Satan and God (the Most High Creator of everything - not merely the 'architect') are very real and you must have surely worked out by now that through our beliefs; actions; intent and lifestyle we either manifest the 'will' fwoabw of one or the other....being 'co creators' in this 'realm'....

One of the best Rense/Tim i/v's is this one from January 2008 - quite topical in a way as it discusses Shrillary Clinton and Bilderberg - Tim discusses the 'red shield gang', their 'religion' and satanic/demonic entities - mmmmm lovely - my very favourite topic!!
If you haven't listened to any of the Rense/Rifat i/v's please steal yourself to listen to this one:

mms://rense.gsradio.net/rense/windows_media/WMHigh/Jan2008/d6fm38/rense_013108_hr1.wma

[romas]

we can all judge them we can all say there is a iluminati, demons, lucifer and all
other forces pulling our asses...but after all we the human kind are devided...we dont want unity...as seen in sport and in other things in life, there will be boring if we are united...yesterday one man tell me "when will be a new war, i am sick of boringnes"...i belive many people have the same opinion as him.
i allway come back to one thread from the above top secret of that guy hidden hand...when was the last time we think of something pure and beautifull...we are building our own prisson...infinite prison of terror and darknes...dont tell me i am wrong just look deep inside...greed, hatred.........................it is all our fault...no need to blame no one




Yep, something tells me many people are looking for external enemy, because they feel, but can not or will not face one inside.

[sukyspook]

Some ..play on words


Mercury

Mercy cure / mirror / no mercy cause

I have been of the opinion that it is Saturn that 'they' worship as their 'main' god or 'Baal' as in obelisks all around the world.

However, the more I research sigils, symbols, colours, numbers etc and attributes of various 'gods/goddesses' 'they' openly worship, no more so that Persephone, a 'goddess of the underworld' and the 'personification of corn' atop the Capital building in Washingto DC, wth is she doing there?? (masonic 'corn, wine, oil' anyone?), the more prominence Mercury/Thoth/Hermes/Enoch/Idris/Toutatis/Teutates/ (even METATRON according to some).... takes in everything, primarily as the 'god of commerce' amongst many other things....which would make sense considering our current predicament... 'They' are obviously evoking/invoking this 'entity' amongst many others imo - 'we' being the 'vehicles' for spiritual and consequently physical manipulation and ultimately, sacrifice in 'their' wars and manipulated crises.

If your read/watch/listen anything about The Occult you always here the word 'hermetic' as in H.O. of the Golden Dawn etc so everything links back to Thoth/Hermes/Mercury the three main names we know this 'entity' by.

Mercury is also quicksilver and I have a hunch that the AA or Astrum Argentum of Crowley and the like is actually about Mercury and not just the Moon...

"Another, less common, pictogram for Thoth was the squatting baboon, who greeted the dawning Sun with cries of jubilation." - opening scene of 2001 anyone - featuring Thoth and the stylised obelisk of Baal lol!!!

This is a great and ongoing read which disturbingly mirrors many Biblical passages:

http://www.maat.sofiatopia.org/ten_keys.htm

Sorry, I'm rambling - but here's a good vid to finish this ramble with - the sounds a bit dodgy, you'll have to concentrate - I first found this guy's work from investigating Indianopolis - the Soldiers and Sailors Monument there (another obelisk, nothing to see here lol):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cqmZvCimys&feature=related

For me, the bottom line is that we condemn ourselves to the manipulations of 'their' agenda by our own ignorance - but 'they' have deliberately set out to make us ignorant and whilst WE can't always awaken others as that's up to themselves, we can at least try as the 'majority concensus' creates the reality for the whole...and boy do 'they' know it!

[sukyspook]

Yep, something tells me many people are looking for external enemy, because they feel, but can not or will not face one inside.

"That which is above is like that which is below" Thoth Trismegistus

"That which is without is like that which is within" Sukyspook

WE manifest our own internal demons - 'they' and others who dabble in magick evoke and invoke demonic entities/jinn and want us to do the same either un/consciously - I've read enough books and watched enough videos to know that whilst some might not believe in all this - 'they' do.

The highest vibration we can live in is the solution and our protection from demonic attack/parasites (internal and external) which is why everything 'they' do is of the lower chakras - lead/saturn being the lowest.

The enemy some of us actively continue to 'throw off' is both spiritual and physical.

[tusme]

Most of us on this forum are in the good club! There are a few shills who are placed here to disrupt things but we are all seeking and we are all at different levels of awareness. What David Icke has to say will suit some at one particular level. Tim Rifat appeals to others and some of us take bits and pieces from everybody. At the moment I am being fed by Sukyspook!!
Tomorrow it might be Ouspensky again or somebody totally new to us all.
Above all, that still small voice within is guiding me. It's all pretty basic really and has all been said before. The Bible teaches us a lot and so do the writings of the Saints. St Augustine, St. John of the Cross and his Dark Night of the Soul, the author of The Cloud of Unknowing etc, etc....
Yesterday I had to go to an audition for a movie at Friends Meeting House in Euston Road, London and I discovered that there was a huge Convention of Narcotics Anononymous going on there this weekend. I had a shufti at their programme of 12 Steps and was invigorated! (google it) Afterwards I wandered over to Euston station and noticed the War memorial that stood there. It was an obelsik. Surprise, surprise! Not!
Back home I read in some newspaper that the Euston Arch is to be re-erected in front of that obelisk. I love what I get shown every day. No coincidences. Just let go and be guided.

What shall I do with the rest of this beautiful Sunday? Where will the spirit move me? I've just got back from the Devils Grocery Tesco, ZZ Top blasting at full volume out of the open windows of my car, cheering up the odd kindred spirit on the way and no doubt doing damage to my poor, long sufferings dogs ears! Maybe not. His barks are way up there on the decibel count so I'm sure he can cope with ZZ Top!
Indeed, the "awareness" of people, imho, have "upped a level", which of-course, for me anyway, is most encouraging...!!

It shows, 2 things, imho...

1) They're prepared to stand-up for Truth, whatever it takes...!!

2) They're still intent on enjoying Life...!!

Alot of what Tim Rifat says makes sense...imho, it would be a "mistake" for anyone to simply ignore what he says, only co's, his website looks abit "creepy"...:D

I'm quite impressed too, with Sukyspook's knowledge, re, the "Tim Rifat type" information...!! :)

Not many people like getting involved in/with such information, but, since tptb have always been energising "their game" from that level...it's good that people, at least try to learn about how they use "spirit energy", especially negative energy...know what I mean...?

Otherwise, you appear to have quite a good balance, going there too...!! ;) :)

Hmm, at least your dog seems very happy...!? :D

[leviathanstaar]

Agreed suky about lots of that last post.

I dont need to rationalize an external enemy. Others beleive in it and that is more than enough.

Regardless what has happened to be over 8 years surpasses things like psychological assumptions has since been left in the dust. I'm sure many can agree.

[sukyspook]

Agreed suky about lots of that last post.

I dont need to rationalize an external enemy. Others beleive in it and that is more than enough.

Regardless what has happened to be over 8 years surpasses things like psychological assumptions has since been left in the dust. I'm sure many can agree.

I met a really nice bloke at the Brum Freeman meet last Sunday who it turned out is a therapist who helps all kinds of people with things like OCD (obsessive, compulsive disorder); does hypnotherapy for addictions etc etc. I had come to believe earlier in the week that many so called 'mental' and psychological problems could be attributed to demonic possession - my Mum has Alzheimers and I've seen lots of her peers with various kinds of 'conditions' that for all the world, to me anyway, look like possession.
The therapist agreed wholeheartedly with my theory and I was thrilled to bits!! We talked some more and I promised to send him a previous John Harris/Red Ice I/V which I did - and I also sent him links to Tim Rifat mp3's lol and to this thread so he could see what we're up to.

Had I been so keen to get to that meeting to see John Harris (2nd time for me 'in person') to hear him say that it was his last talk for a couple of months - along with the 'meeting' with the lovely therapist to confirm my own thoughts....??
I believe that this is how the world works...and it's fascinating.

I hope anyone reading this thread has managed to listen to the Rense/Rifat I/V from Jan 08 that I posted earlier today (Sunday) - as it's one of Tim's best and dare I say 'calmest' lol - I'm not sure the link will be of any use and if not, just let me know and I'll try to resolve it for you. It sets out the agenda of the 'red shield gang' and their "religion"...

Suke x

[sukyspook]

I just spent a while typing a reply to Tyler.....it just disappeared.

I won't start again for now - but I will post this video which I was finishing the post with - unbelievable symbolism but would probably go right over the heads of those who don't yet have eyes and ears to see and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsLYMIsXg8c

Tyler - I think you asked earlier if I'd heard of "In Search of the Miraculous" by Ouspensky?? Something took me to a corner of my bedroom earlier today, complete with heaving bookshelves lol - and there in the corner was said book......now I have yet another to read!! Bring it onnnn!!

[tyler]

I gave up drinking a few years ago but today it was such a lovely day out and as I relaxed in my beautiful garden the thought of a nice large glass of chiiled white wine came into my head. I was finding it hard to resist and was missing some of the madness of my drinking days. I was a bit bored and feeling somehwat lonely. It's not easy being an outsider interested in all this crazy stuff that we research. Sometimes like Steppewolf in another thread I think it would be nice to be permanently out of my head and not care a damn about the world and where we are all going.
Unfortunately, once we step out on this path there is no going back. Actually, I should say fortunately!!
We have to stick with it through the tough dark nights of the soul and through the grey days as well as the incredible days when everything is just falling into place and we are making new discoveries all over the place and synchronisity is on red alert.
Just coming to this thread every couple of hours has kept me sane today so I wanna say a big thanks to all who have contributed.

[sukyspook]

I gave up drinking a few years ago but today it was such a lovely day out and as I relaxed in my beautiful garden the thought of a nice large glass of chiiled white wine came into my head. I was finding it hard to resist and was missing some of the madness of my drinking days. I was a bit bored and feeling somehwat lonely. It's not easy being an outsider interested in all this crazy stuff that we research. Sometimes like Steppewolf in another thread I think it would be nice to be permanently out of my head and not care a damn about the world and where we are all going.
Unfortunately, once we step out on this path there is no going back. Actually, I should say fortunately!!
We have to stick with it through the tough dark nights of the soul and through the grey days as well as the incredible days when everything is just falling into place and we are making new discoveries all over the place and synchronisity is on red alert.
Just coming to this thread every couple of hours has kept me sane today so I wanna say a big thanks to all who have contributed.

I could have written all that Tyler - it fits our 'predicament' to a masonic 'T' lol and no, no going back - thank goodness - and indeed, it certainly isn't easy following this path...but day by day my family are certainly realising that I wasn't ever really 'mad' - I told them about the global economy being 'crashed' back in 2005...sigh.

I loved your earlier description of your day and your trip to 'set and co' = Tesco...lol

Yes I'm really enjoying the thread too! There's no rest for the spiritually awakened - and the wicked who would catch our asses!! Here's some more 'proof' - or at least different perspectives upon the same satanic/demonic interractions.

I checked out this article from Fourwinds which I pop into every day - some weird stuff on there but a good place to ensure you don't miss any of 'their' tricks:

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/history/world/news.php?q=1241918085

It's an awesome compilation of info and images of the 'star of David' or as I always call it a 'hexagram' - the most evil kind of 'spell' and of course it was the sigil that Solomon invoked/controlled demons with - or so it is written:

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Hebrew, the Magen David or Shield of David] is renowned as the sacred symbol of the Jewish faith. Indeed, the Star of David is the distinguishing feature on the Israeli flag and as an ornament of jewelry the Star of David is proudly worn by millions of devout Jews worldwide. Yes, the Star of David is purely Jewish. Or is it?

Recently, while visiting the holy city of Jerusalem, I purchased a silver pendant of the “Star of David” from a local shopkeeper and when I put it around my neck I was asked,

“Why are you wearing a Jewish symbol?”

To this I replied, “This is Sat-kona, the symbol of Goloka, the abode of Krsna.”

This article is about the origins of Sat-kona [the Star of Goloka or Goloka-yantra], its transcendental significance, its historical use in Vedic and other ancient cultures, its use in Christianity and Islam, and its eventual adoption by the Jewish faith in the 17th century as a popular symbol of Judaism.

Symbols have long been a part of the histories of the world's great civilizations and Sat-kona is no exception. Before it appeared in the west, from the most ancient of times to the present day, Sat-kona has been at the heart of spirituality in India. The Sat-kona [the six pointed star with a hexagram within, defining sacred space], is constructed by joining two perfect triangles — one pointing upward signifying Purusa and the other pointing downward signifying Prakrti. It is the oldest spiritual symbol known to the world. Sat-kona has been around since the beginning of the universe. We do not expect to find any archaeological evidence to support this statement, however, from sastra, Vedic literature, the evidence is there.

In the oldest known Vedic literature, Sri Brahma-samhita [in that it has been attributed to Lord Brahma and composed shortly after creation], the Sat-kona is mentioned in a description of the supreme abode of Goloka, the abode of Krsna.

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Krsna is always pictured with blue-skin - just like the Genie/Jinn in the Aladdin/Arabian Nights cartoon - the monkey - could we say Thoth?? It would appear that this cartoon 'genie' is actually based upon ancient Arabian 'magicians' interracting with demonic ents:

Here's a 'Blue' Jinn compilation - he commands a large 'legion' of shape-shifting entities!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtnvvThNfs&feature=related

I remembered an mp3 from Dave Emory at Spitfirelist from 2006 about the Dalai Lama, Nazi pals, the World Trade Centre and 'demon houses' aka Kalachakra Tantras - I've listened to it several times and the WTC part always stops me in my tracks:

Part 1 - Hello Dalai
http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/500_599/f-547a.mp3

p2 - Hello Dalai
http://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/500_599/f-547b.mp3

Here's an important snippet from the transcript - well, it is for me anyway:

Hello Dalai

12. Next, the program sets forth the significance of the Kalachakra Sand Mandala, the construction and destruction of which is believed by Tantric Buddhists to have tangible metaphysical significance. Specifically, the ritual is believed to call into play the pantheon of spirits and demons of this brand of Buddhism, and to embody the eventual destruction of all things physical. Interestingly (and perhaps significantly), the Dalai Lama and his disciples performed such a ritual at the World Trade Center in the wake of the first World Trade Center bombing. While this may have no political significance whatsoever, it may be very significant, indeed!! Were occult fascists within the Dalai Lama’s milieu invoking a mystical element they believed would aid (or be aided by) the destruction of the World Trade Center? For more about fascist and Nazi connections to 9/11, see—among other programs—FTR#456.

“TRIMONDI: A Mandala is a sacred pictogram; one also can call it a ‘magic circle’. It is an instrument to evoke the gods, goddesses and demons of the Tantric pantheon. For a modem Western approach, in which religion and arts are not yet unified, the Mandala is a work of art. However, in the Lamaist tradition where there is no difference between the aesthetic and the sacred and where art is always sacred art, the Mandala is a spiritual power vortex, an assembly point of gods and demons, a palace of the divine, a spiritual battery from where powerful energies are radiating. It is also connected with the Lamaist idea that the place where the Mandala is erected, stands under the absolute control of its divine or, we would say, demonic ‘inhabitants’. The intricate Mandala, constructed during the Kalachakra Ceremony, is made with colored sand and symbolizes the whole universe. At the end of the ritualistic performance the sand construction will be destroyed by the Tibetan monks. The so called ‘dismantling’ of the sand Mandala symbolizes the destruction of the world and of the universe. This is part of the apocalyptic Doomsday Scenarios in the Kalachakra prophecies, which culminate in a final battle and the End of our planet. Nevertheless the construction and destruction of the Mandala is presented by the Dalai Lama as a contribution to world peace. Although one would desire to believe in its peace producing energy, realistically one has to accept, that the construction of this magic circle after more than 25 years in the West has brought no more appeasement to the people than it did in Tibet, which has suffered much. The aggressive and terrorist energies have become more and stronger in our world and the clash of religions has become an everyday-problem in politics. Is it not evident that the construction of 300 sand Mandalas throughout the U.S. you are speaking of has not contributed peace to this country? History, on the contrary, has proceeded in the opposite direction and is on the way of destruction and war.
In our studies it was alarming to find that following the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 a Wheel of Time (Kalachakra) Sand Mandala was built in the lobby of Tower One. For over thirty days, many of the World Trade Center workers and visitors were invited by the Tibetan Monks to participate in the construction of this Mandala. When the Dalai Lama visits New York in the next days, we would ask: Why the terrible event of 9/11 could happen at the World Trade Center that was consecrated by the so called ‘Circle of Peace,’ the Kalachakra Sand Mandala, the same mandalas that were unable to prevent the destruction of 7500 monasteries of Tibet? In this context a sentence of the Tantra expert and Indian scholar Shashi Bhusan Dasgupta may be remarkable: ‘The word Kala means time, death and destruction. Kala-Chakra is the Wheel of Destruction.’
We just did find in the Internet a statement of a participant of the WTC Kalachakra Ceremony, which seems really revealing especially because it is made by an initiand of the Tantra: ‘The topic shifted to the Kalachakra Mandala that was made at One World Trade Center. I was at the dissolution ceremony there, may be around ‘96. The monks gathered up all the sand from the Mandala at 1WTC, put it in a vase, then carried it across the bridge into World Financial Center through the Winter Garden, then dumped the sand ceremoniously into the Hudson River for the sake of World Peace. The surface of the river glittered with the afternoon sun, and I cried. 5 years later, the whole building is gone, just like the sand Mandala’ . . .” (Idem.)

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Here's the link to the entire transcript:
http://spitfirelist.com/?p=175

Sigils from the Little Key of Solomon the King:
LEMEGETON CLAVICULA SALOMONIS: REX:

The little Key of Salomon the King which containeth all the names, orders and offices of all the spirits that ever he hadd any converse with, with the seales or Characters belongeing to Each spirit, and the manner of calling them forth to [visible] appearance, in 5 Parts, called Books viz - - - - -:
snip
http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/lemegeton.htm

Well I can see a thread running through all this anyway!

[rich157]

WE manifest our own internal demons - 'they' and others who dabble in magick evoke and invoke demonic entities/jinn and want us to do the same either un/consciously - I've read enough books and watched enough videos to know that whilst some might not believe in all this - 'they' do.


Here's a funny one...

DEMONS.

Usually the sigils preserved in the occult tradition are designed to represent individual demons,
but KIRCHER 1655 gives a sigil which appears to refer to demons as a class.

The sigil = ER

:)

[sukyspook]

Here's a funny one...

DEMONS.

Usually the sigils preserved in the occult tradition are designed to represent individual demons,
but KIRCHER 1655 gives a sigil which appears to refer to demons as a class.

The sigil = ER

:)

....as in 'Er Madge?? Have you got a link rich157? I didn't do a quick search late last night but couldn't 'steal' myself to read lots then.

Check out the demon name 'PURSON' lolol -

http://www.esotericarchives.com/gifs/g20.gif

The 20th spirit is called Purson a great king; he appeareth commonly like a man wth a Lyons face, carring a cruel viper in his hand, and ridding on a Bear goeing before him [are] many Trumpets sounding; he knoweth hidden things and can discover Treasures & tell all Things present past and to come; he can take a Body either humane or aiery, and answareth Truly of all Earthly Things, both secreet & devine, & of ye Creation of ye world, he bringeth forth good familiars, & under his government [power] are 22 Legions of spirits, partly of ye order of vertues & partly of ye order of Thrones, & his mark or seal is this, wch he oweth obediance to & [which] must be worne by ye Exorcist in [the] Time of acction.

http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/goetia.htm

that isn't a particularly good image but if you compare it to this:

http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/images/2008/One-Penny-Coin-Depicting-Britannia.jpg

- spot the resemblance??

Remember that Purson rides on a bear - as in guards Bear Skins (it's the only explanation I've ever heard)?? and trumpets - as in fanfares?? and lion/lyon - well, we don't need reminding about the significance of the lion in symbology...

This is another of my all time fave mp3's with Chris Everard on Britannia Radio from last year, talking about demonic entities and 'royal' symbols/sigils:

http://domain1638172.sites.streamlinedns.co.uk/listenagain/cemagic.mp3

I thought I recognised the name Kircher/Kercher (poetic licence!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher

and as I was saying earlier:

Are There Demons of Sex and Alcohol?

by
Jason Dulle


Question:

Do you believe that there are demons of sex, pornography, cigarettes, alcohol, prostitution, headaches, anger, homosexuality, carousing, etc.? I know there are some ministers in all facets of Christianity that do.

Now let's look at Galatians Chapter 5: 19-22. Verse 19 begins a list of human vices saying, "Anyone can see the kind of behavior that belongs to the lower nature..." (NEB). If God is not a puppet master, then neither is Satan, correct? We humans must acknowledge personal resposiblity in all that we do or sayl, correct?

Demons have a history of possessing some of us humans through our sinful natures and actions, correct? When the minister of God is ministering to a demon possessed individual, sometimes the minister asks for its name. Upon uttering its name(s), the minister uses this name(s) to cast out the unclean spirit. Could it be that the name(s) that these demons use when possessing a person (e.g., sex/drugs/adultery/deaf and dumb,etc.) are really only acturate word pictures of our human weaknesses and human sinfulness?

snip

http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/demonsspec.htm

[octopusrex]

Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

I stand corrected. Cats are notoriously funny creatures. Especially after a healthy dose of catnip.:D

[runciter]

ok octopussie, let's play together.

:)

German government promote incest/pedophilia!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10748

Fools for not trusting the German Government on this one. They might know stuff you are not aware of.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=752488&postcount=12

[runciter]

instead of "fingering" poor cats, please explain the meaning of that post.

maybe you can reveal us something we don't know about the elite's customs.

[runciter]

Concerning the Luciferian beliefs that Lucian taught me: as a person who did not come from a Christian family, Lucian seemed to be primarily interested in the Old Testament. He told me that he and other Luciferians consider Jesus to have been a usurper, in that Jesus stole Lucifer’s rightful position as the true son of God. In a Yin/Yang way, he stated that while Lucifer was thrown down to rule the earth, he has become known as Satan, the evil one, to most people. But Lucian and his associates know him as Lucifer, the light-bearer. This is why they prefer the word, “Illuminati.” The “illumined ones.” He and others like him have grandiose schemes to develop a one-world religion and one-world government that would originally pretend to tolerate Christianity, but would eventually have all Christians either convert to their more global religion, or face ugly consequences. But of course, Lucian – who is a flaming pedophile – is also convinced that they will be able to convince the masses that adult/child sex should be legalized.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/06/interview-with-kathleen-sullivan-part.html

[runciter]

The interview is virulently anti Semitic in the sense that both men characterize this conspiracy as "Jewish" and make many nasty racist generalizations. In fact, "the Jews" are really the Rothschilds and a few hundred banking families and their non-Jewish allies united by intermarriage and occult beliefs. The vast majority of Jews like other people are unaware of this plot and would oppose it if they were. Jews are as much its unwitting dupes and victims as anyone else.

The Rothschilds set up the Illuminati in 1776 to subvert the Christian basis of Western Civilization. They took over much of Freemasonry and used it to infiltrate all social institutions. Mouthing words like "freedom," "equality" and "progress," they are bent on melding family, race, religion, and nation into a malleable mush. Their world police state, now called "globalization," lies behind the facade of "The Patriot Act" and "The War on Terror."

Rosenthal says, "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."

This statement applies to modern culture as a whole. We do not like to admit that our "secular" society is based on a cosmic rebellion against God. Its true satanic character is becoming more evident every day.

http://www.savethemales.ca/000334.html

[rich157]

....as in 'Er Madge?? Have you got a link rich157? I didn't do a quick search late last night but couldn't 'steal' myself to read lots then.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/415908/banned-Dictionary-of-occult-hermetic-alchemical-sigils-symbols

Page 97/98.

:)

[sukyspook]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/415908/banned-Dictionary-of-occult-hermetic-alchemical-sigils-symbols

Page 97/98.

:)

thanks for that rich157.

I was reading an old Makow article that mentioned a book and thus reminded me of this video - not the best speaker/presenter there's ever been but the info he imparts is, imo, spot on:

Lucifer's Children with Milan Martin - 2' 38" 00 - and worth it imo:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3853656682661756084&ei=Ri4JSrWCHsPm-AbsnfndAg&q=Lucifers+Children

[tyler]

Found it.

I wonder why the mods have hidden this thread way down here? Didn't even tell anyone it had been moved either. Granted it should not have been in the latest news thread but general would have been fine.

[sukyspook]

[QUOTE=sukyspook;984320]thanks for that rich157.

I was reading an old Makow article that mentioned a book and thus reminded me of this video - not the best speaker/presenter there's ever been but the info he imparts is, imo, spot on:

Lucifer's Children with Milan Martin - 2' 38" 00 - and worth it imo:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3853656682661756084&ei=Ri4JSrWCHsPm-AbsnfndAg&q=Lucifers+Children



That's interesting.....the link for the above video had also disappeared....I hope this little 'refreshing' has re-awoken it....in fact, for good measure, here it is again. I'll check out previous vid/mp3 links too...this vid is WELL worth 2.5 hours:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3853656682661756084&ei=Ri4JSrWCHsPm-AbsnfndAg&q=Lucifers+Children

[sukyspook]

[QUOTE=sukyspook;977061]Here's Tim Rifat on Jeff Rense show from earlier this week as promised:

Hour 2 - From England - Tim Rifat - Zionism Is Satanism

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/May2009/j62vr1/rense_050609_hr2.mp3

....and part 8 of Conspiritus - interesting caption at 1' 34":

"But if you are an insider talking about demons they will get rid of you just like they did with John Todd and Fritz Springmeier"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci9SGgP6cGI

And from the same Luciferian mindset: The Real Reason for the Switch from Analogue to Digital - scroll down the page for a very revealing video with links to pertinent songs/artists!

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/media/television/news.php?q=1241732256

If you haven't already seen this - it's worth the time - WARNING - it gets a little "eeoowwww" towards the end as in exposing satanic rituals.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2134284036772812990&ei=qvEDSsOAI4XN-Qb394XPDg&q=exposing+the+illuminati+from+within

Hmmmm, more dead links hopefully awoken.....

I'm just listening to a re-run of the above Tim Rifat mp3 (Weds 14th)- Rense has apparently been under cyber attack the past 48 hours and the live show was prevented from airing on Monday....

Suke x

[sukyspook]

Found it.

I wonder why the mods have hidden this thread way down here? Didn't even tell anyone it had been moved either. Granted it should not have been in the latest news thread but general would have been fine.

Hi Tyler - yeah, this info isn't going to get the exposure it was getting on the news section - however, I did post a link to it on this site as I think it could help join some dots for some just rubbing their eyes lol!!:

http://www.ukcolumn.org/2009/05/09/wanted-one-million-rebellious-britons/

My 'handle' on there is 'Enuf's Enuf' - there are some brilliant responses to the article there: "Wanted, One Million Rebellious Brits" - more and more 'get it' which is wonderful.

I have now sent my first letter as an 'agent for the person' and 'freewoman on the land' and like knowing 'the Truth' - once you 'know', there's no going back.

[octopusrex]

ok octopussie, let's play together.

:)

German government promote incest/pedophilia!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10748



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=752488&postcount=12

Play? This is serious business! :D

About the German thing.. I read so many reactionary posts that I got kinda angry and this crowd for being so narrow and one-sided. I play the devils' advocate. That's what I do. Not that I think the German Government is the devil, mind you. That's for crazy conspiracy folks to decide... But lets just say that anybody who has studied pedophilia knows after a while that it's certainly not a black and white issue. Neither is homosexuality, necrophilia, race-mixing.. and any other form of "unacceptable" or "uncouth" behavior.

The most terrible crimes: murder and rape... Are not black and white by any means, and nobody has a right to judge others merely on opinion or "popular" views..

Such stupidity stifles creativity and the expansion of consciousness.

[kidsarocker]

I'm well aware that there are many on this forum who don't believe that the battle we are in is fundamentally a spiritual one. Most laugh at the name of God, more so at the thoughts of Satan/Lucifer.

However, after 8 years of ongoing research into well, just about everything, for me there is no denying the existence of absolute evil and the potential for goodness on this planet.

Henry Makow knows this too - that's two of us lol - no, there are millions who 'know' too.

This is Henry's latest article and I urge you all to read it and at least consider the bizarre events of just this past week and what might be behind it all. Also, if you haven't already seen the links to the mp3's and webpage below Henry's article, BE WARNED - this is a very deep spiritual rabbit hole that we are in:


Lucifer's Rebellion Gains Momentum

April 30, 2009

The Hate from the State

by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Little by little, the Illuminati bankers are dropping their mask and revealing the evil agenda behind current events. What is called "progressive" and "liberal" is in fact satanic. What is called "revolution" is aimed at overthrowing God --the natural and spiritual (moral) order-- and replacing Him with dictates of devil worshipers, the Rothschilds and their lackeys.

When we read about "Hate Laws" that protect pedophiles, sex education for five-year-olds, the promotion of homosexuality to heterosexuals, we must see them in spiritual context, as the Luciferian overthrow of all that is natural, healthy, true and good, turning the world upside down, i.e. "revolution."

When we hear about pig flu, let's keep our focus on the big picture. We are infected by a more serious and widespread cancer, satanism, under the guises of communism, liberalism, socialism, zionism, fascism, feminism and globalism. Luciferianism permeates society in the form of materialism, naturalism, occultism, obscenity, sadism, violence, pornography and promiscuity.

No coincidence that Obama asks that Christian symbolism be covered when he speaks. Can you imagine him making the same request at a Jewish or homosexual venue? Obama's own symbolism is Illuminati, reminiscent of the Lucis (Lucifer)Trust. All our leaders covertly signal their true loyalty to Lucifer.

EXTREME

These claims are extreme. I wouldn't make them if they weren't literally true. Reread my account of the 1938 NKVD interrogation of Illuminati insider Chaim Rakover (a.k.a Christian Rakovsky.) This man was a founder of the Comintern and Soviet President of the Ukraine, and ambassador to Paris. He says the Illuminati bankers (i.e. Rothschild syndicate) have infinite wealth and now want absolute power.

They created the Communist state as a "machine of total power" unprecedented in history. In the past, due to many factors, "there was always room for individual freedom. Do you understand that those who already partially rule over nations and worldly governments have pretensions to absolute domination? Understand that this is the only thing which they have not yet reached."

The aim of the Revolution is no less than to redefine reality in terms of their interests and Cabalist beliefs. This involves the promotion of subjective truth over objective truth. If Lenin "feels something to be real" then it is real. "For him every reality, every truth was relative in the face of the sole and absolute one: the revolution."

In other words, white is black and evil is good. Homosexuality which specialists agree is usually a developmental disorder is now something everyone should try. Teachers who protest are fired. Babies who survive abortions are left to die and thrown out with the trash. Obama approves. People who protest the Zionist slaughter of Palestinian women and children lose their jobs.

The Illuminati bankers financed intellectuals who recommended ways to weaken society to accept their tyranny. In a perceptive article, "The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt," Timothy Mathews lists their recommendations, made over 50 years ago. How many do you recognize?

1. The creation of racism offenses.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud's idea of 'pansexualism' - the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women. To further their aims they would deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.

The School believed there were two types of revolution: (a) political and (b) cultural. Cultural revolution demolishes from within. 'Modern forms of subjection are marked by mildness'. They saw it as a long-term project and kept their sights clearly focused on the family, education, media, sex and popular culture.

BRINGING IT HOME

Since the Illuminati bankers control the mass media, political parties and education, it is not an exaggeration to say society is under mortal attack by its putative leaders. This attack is felt every day.

Let me extrapolate from a small example. The Student's Association at the local university has been dominated by homosexuals and feminists for years. They are holding a Prom on May 8.
Except it is called an "Anti-Prom" and like homosexuality itself, it is a parody of heterosexuality.

"Come as you aren't!" the poster exhorts us. "Dress-up, down, drag, hairy or famous. the stranger the better." An "Anti-King" and "Anti-Queen" will be chosen. BELOW A PICTURE OF MARILYN MONROE, THERE IS A BARELY VISIBLE PICTURE OF A VICIOUS, SNARLING GORILLA.

This University (of Winnipeg) doesn't have a normal Prom. There are few if any heterosexual dances. This is a small example of the toxic environment in which 97% of the population (heterosexuals) now live. Yet, exposed to this government-sponsored, homosexual hatred and hostility, we are expected to exude benevolence and "tolerance" to them, or face public censure.

Another example: I have been reliably informed that local high schools are no longer allowed to set deadlines for assignments. It is felt this does not test the students abilities. Hello? It teaches self-discipline, something our masters apparently don't want young people to have. In my school district, the largest in the city, the Chairman of the School Board is a 29-year-old shop teacher (i.e. woodwork, auto mechanics.) This is how little the community cares or understands about education.


CONCLUSION

Since the so-called "Enlightenment," (as in Lucifer the light-bringer) Western civilization has been based on a denial of God, i.e. Truth, Love and Goodness, and an assertion of man's (i.e. the Illuminati banker's) divinity and right to redefine reality. Modernity is nothing but the neuroses, dysfunction and dissatisfaction created by this solipsistic delusion.

Culture and true civilization are founded on using our spiritual ideals to refine our baser instincts. This is what defines us as human, "gentle" men, civilized. Luciferianism aims to "liberate" us from self-restraint, i.e. self-discipline. It glorifies the animal and rejects the human. Why? Because the Illuminati bankers see us as their cattle, born to serve them. According to Jordan Maxwell, we are branded at birth like livestock. (The number is on our birth certificate.)

We are under a relentless occult psychological barrage. Part is the suggestion that to defend our rights and values is somehow bigoted and "hateful." We have been subjugated by witting and unwitting servants of Lucifer, human demons, sell-outs and traitors. We must resist in every way we can.

http://www.henrymakow.com/luciferian_revolution_reaches.html

WARNING - If you haven't considered that satan/satanism is VERY real - please be warned that this information goes into great detail about it:

hour 1 Jeff Rense with Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr1.mp3

hour 2 Jeff and Tim Rifat

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_042809_hr2.mp3

Tim's accompanying webpage: BE WARNED - it's a very deep and disturbing rabbit hole!:

http://www.mindovermatter.ru/RVScience/supernaturalspirit/rense_radio_show.html

Watch - The Anti-christ/Dajjal will be a reptillian shapeshifter for more clues

[runciter]

Play? This is serious business! :D

About the German thing.. I read so many reactionary posts that I got kinda angry and this crowd for being so narrow and one-sided. I play the devils' advocate. That's what I do. Not that I think the German Government is the devil, mind you. That's for crazy conspiracy folks to decide... But lets just say that anybody who has studied pedophilia knows after a while that it's certainly not a black and white issue. Neither is homosexuality, necrophilia, race-mixing.. and any other form of "unacceptable" or "uncouth" behavior.

The most terrible crimes: murder and rape... Are not black and white by any means, and nobody has a right to judge others merely on opinion or "popular" views..

Such stupidity stifles creativity and the expansion of consciousness.

you didn't explain anything, i suppose it's because you can't write openly what you "think".

[sukyspook]

Watch - The Anti-christ/Dajjal will be a reptillian shapeshifter for more clues

......thanks for the heads up but if you read the thread, you'll find my reference to it somewhere....I watched all 485 parts of it and eagerley awaiting the entire set which I've bought as it was gradually been 'taken down' from youtube - apparently, according to Alex Jones yesterday, google video are soon going to dump the video arm, as are youtube....I suppose they have to try to curtail the ever growing Truth movement.

Also, I posted a link to Imran Hosein's Dajjal talk on the thread - that's well worth the time too - as are all of his other lectures of which I've watched many. Not only does Imran Hosein expose the 'religious'/spiritual battle but he explains global geo-politics extremely well. I have a book by Ahmad Thompson called Dajjal, The Antichrist which is full of Truth too which I also highly recommend.

[sukyspook]

I don't know if it'll be a waste of time posting on this thread in the 'back of beyond' so to speak - but I'll keep posting relevant stuff for now and see what happens. At least those of us who 'know' about the thread can continue to share what we can.

I'm sure I mentioned Dan Winter earlier in the thread - too lazy to look lol - anyway I posted something about Dan somewhere this past week, of whom I've known of for several years but if I remember correctly, he had a bit of an ongoing 'legal problem' with someone about the origins of the Hebrew alphabet (someone's ego again lol). I think this 'incoming info' is a reminded to return to his work.....
Lo and behold - and this is a prime example of how the 'universe works' imo, there's a great new 2 x part interview from 10th May with him from Henrik at Red Ice!! Here are the links:

Dan Winter - Fractal Geometry & The Golden Mean P1

May 10, 2009

Dan Winter who's behind the website goldenmean.info join us to talk about sacred geometry, Fractality, gravity, physics and the science of Alchemy. We begin to talk about Dan's background. Topics Discussed: Ben Bentoff, Arthur Young, Andrija Puharich, Fractility, Forced, Gravity, Life Force, Grail, Bio Feedback, Plasma Universe, Electrical Universe, Aura, IBM, The Unified Field, Fractality of Gravity, Nassim Haramein, Paul Laviolette, Fractily in Air, Fractily in Water, The GDV Device, Exclusiveness, Inclusiveness, Focused Human Attention, Bioactive Electric Field, Perfect Coherence, Water Purification, Bird Song & Sonic Bloom, Heart Tuner, DNA, Lucid Dreaming, Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Science of Bliss, Memory Though Death, Genetic Engineering, Genetic Diversity, Seeds, Monsanto, Annunaki, Alpha Draconis and much more. Join us in our members section for much more. We're going to talk about more about Architecture, Houses, Building Materials, Straw Bale Houses, Electro Smog, Wi-Fi and Cell Phone Signals, Clothing and Certain Jewelry. We're also going to talk about the Sun as a true Star-Gate, Organic crafts, the Hollow Nature of the Moon and the idea that it's an artificial object towed to here by another advanced civilization. We'll also discuss Brainwaves, some of the experiments at the Monroe Institute, Astral Parasites, Ectoplasm and much, much more.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/05may/RIR-090510-dwinter.mp3

p2

Dan Winter - Architecture, Electric Smog, The Star-Gate & Astral Parasites

May 10, 2009

Join us for this second segment. We'll begin talking about Architecture, Houses, Building Materials, Straw Bale Houses, Electro Smog, Wi-Fi and Cell Phone Signals, Clothing and Certain Jewelry. We're also going to talk about the Sun as a true Star-Gate, Organic crafts, the Hollow Nature of the Moon and the idea that it's an artificial object towed to here by another advanced civilization. We'll also discuss Brainwaves, some of the experiments at the Monroe Institute, Astral Parasites, Ectoplasm and much, much more. Topics Discussed: Magnetic Mapping, Biological Materials, Pinecone Shaped Mountain, Solar Heart Community, Eye of the Sun, Heart of the Sun, Star-Gate, Jerusalem, DNA, Living Material, Gurdjieff, Hollow Moon, Titanium, The Moon, Backside of the Moon, Library, Hex and Pent, Brainwaves, Telepathy, Buckminster Fuller, Experiments at the Monroe Institute, Ed Wilson, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Astral Hygiene, 32 Degrees, the Head of the Sphinx, Pure Intention, Astral Parasites, Ectoplasm, Incubus & Succubus, The Electromagnetic Smog, Wi-fi, Spread spectrum technology, Volt, 50 hertz, Transformers, Faraday Cage, Kinesiology, Clothing, Watches and much more.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/05may/RIR-090510-dwinter5hy-SUB.mp3

As ever, the search for 'Lucifer' continues and he/she/it appears on many pages at Dan's site, an updated classic example of one such page is here:

http://www.goldenmean.info/enki/index.html

If you don't know about Dan and his work - please don't be put off by how confusing it looks. Watch a couple of his earlier videos and you'll 'get' what he's about and it's fascinating, the potentials of which are, well, just check it all out for yourself. Scroll down about 1/3 of the page to the first colour pic/vid from 2005 here:

http://www.goldenmean.info/

It's another way of looking at what we're constantly facing and have to 'overcome' imo.

Enjoy - as I believe that's what we've come to this planet to do - as well as the washing up; shopping; gardening; work etc etc!

[octopusrex]

you didn't explain anything, i suppose it's because you can't write openly what you "think".

Now that's just plain silly. What I wrote is what I think.

I should give you a warning about "thought" though. Thought is not "reality", it is only "thought". If you find what I say hard to understand, I advice you to meditate on it.

[runciter]

Now that's just plain silly. What I wrote is what I think.

I should give you a warning about "thought" though. Thought is not "reality", it is only "thought". If you find what I say hard to understand, I advice you to meditate on it.

what's the secret that the "german government" knows and we don't? :)

[octopusrex]

what's the secret that the "german government" knows and we don't? :)

Oh, I suppose at the highest levels, tons of information. But again, you did not understand my point. My point is to wake all these sheeple to the fact that they are REACTING.

Remember: problem, reaction, solution?

I'll give you (because I'm sure that's what you really want) a little juice on this pedo shit.

A while back there was a very famous case here in the states about a school teacher who took one of her 13 year old students out on a "date". The boy fell in love with her and she with him. She landed in jail ... I think in the south somewhere... The boy waitied for her to come back out of jail which was YEARS later. He was I think 15 at the time and they got together again. Once again, under the guise of pedophilia, the woman went to jail again. Now, meditate a bit on love... Is this fair and just?

Another case. A young 12 year old did some explicit videos of herself which she then posted at a 2 or 3 million dollar profit on the net. She was taken to juvenile and her money confiscated. CONFISCATED!

So... Do you see the hypocrisy? If we can't even talk about something, if the taboo is too great to have a rational conversation about it.. It shuts down creativity, novelty.. Sheeple are sheeple because they are STUPID.

I'll just add a last warning.. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Not so long ago, lynching gay people for their expressions of love was quite acceptable in some parts of America. Not so long ago, people could lynch an interracial couple just for showing affection. I for one do not wish to live in a world of LIEBESVERBOT where love is considered a crime, no matter if it's with cats, sheep or horny teens.

And just this last parting shot: Cats have claws so it isn't' rape when the cat jumps back on your lap!

[runciter]

Fools for not trusting the German Government on this one. They might know stuff you are not aware of.

what stuff?

[sukyspook]

what stuff?

....that Hitler was a British Agent?

Angela Merkel is ALLEGEDLY the daughter of Adolph Hitler? or are there a few 'right-thinking' people ie non-satanists/luciferians within the "administration" in Germany? I sincerely hope so, I really do. I can name only 1 right-thinking MP here in England....sorry, we're not encouraged to be English - it's the UK...

Coming on 15th May 09:
Part 2 of Stefan Grossmann's book review "Hitler Was A British Agent" by Greg Hallett. Coming next week new surprise guests including Duncan Cameron of the U.S.S. Eldridge Montauk ship. Duncan's interview will be aired live next week so don't miss it - Here:

http://thatradio.podhoster.com/index.php?sid=1617


Mystery Babylon the occult history of the third reich part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So3M0t8ZsZc

Nazis and the Occult 1:5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uns0Fth_kDA

The Occult History of the Third Reich - 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fx_BypTWzY

Tell me more, tell me MORE, TELL ME MOOOOOOORE!!! about Germany...

[octopusrex]

what stuff?

That the trials at Nurnberg were a Shadow Puppet show? That Truman should have been tried there for Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Churchill for Dresden and Hamburg?

[runciter]

That the trials at Nurnberg were a Shadow Puppet show? That Truman should have been tried there for Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Churchill for Dresden and Hamburg?

see you in the other thread, perhaps you will answer my question one day :)

[octopusrex]

see you in the other thread, perhaps you will answer my question one day :)

You do know that the truth shall set you free... right?:D

[runciter]

rejected.

[tyler]

Suko. the mods have deliberately hidden this thread away in the back of beyond. Too close to the truth for them.
Please continue to post your links. I find them fascinating.

I have favourited this thread on my browser so that just one click brings me straight to it.

[lizzy]

[QUOTE=sukyspook;986394][QUOTE=sukyspook;984320]thanks for that rich157.

I was reading an old Makow article that mentioned a book and thus reminded me of this video - not the best speaker/presenter there's ever been but the info he imparts is, imo, spot on:

Lucifer's Children with Milan Martin - 2' 38" 00 - and worth it imo:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3853656682661756084&ei=Ri4JSrWCHsPm-AbsnfndAg&q=Lucifers+Children



UOTE]


Hi suky, ;)

I just watched this vid. Thanks for posting. It was pretty good. I do see the scumbag elites inbreed pyschopaths playing out a 6000yr agenda , Relevations as cleverly written pys-ops for the Endtimes, which we have now reached, their global business plan as good as done. They own it all now and it's time for the big culling. ( they are so sure of themsleves now that they could almost televise a ritualistic sacrifice in the town square ).....

Fritz Springmeier ( got too close to the truth ) Prophesy Club vids are v informative too.


Lucifer Rising
By Philip Jones
5-13-9
http://www.rense.com/general85/lucifer.htm


(Diagram From `Be Wise As Serpents` Fritz Springmeier.)

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiter's of the earth and of the sea, for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

(but a long read,LOL).....Evil exists and it's rules this temporal plane.

[sukyspook]

Suko. the mods have deliberately hidden this thread away in the back of beyond. Too close to the truth for them.
Please continue to post your links. I find them fascinating.

I have favourited this thread on my browser so that just one click brings me straight to it.

I think you could be right Tyler with the 'placing' of this thread - especially with no notice as is the 'norm'.....hmmm.

Ha ha - glad you've put it on your browser - perhaps I should do the same - that's a bit self indulgent tho lol!!

I'm only going to stick to posting 'relevant' stuff of course as this is NOT about 'me' - it's about the information. If we all have enough info on who/what the enemy is/are then we can be suitably 'armed' against those who would manipulate us any-which-way. (Ephesians 6!) www.biblegateway.com is a great resource - I only use the KJV - no matter what anyone says....King James wrote about demonic entities too!!

I've been quietly watching the MP's debacle here in the UK but only last night when one of them was alleged to have still claimed mortgage payments 18 months after his mortgage was paid off did I realise that this really IS criminal activity....imo and allegedly of course.

I've known for some years of the scam that is 'politics' - the decisions as to who will become MPs are mainly taken 'behind closed doors' before the member is 'selected' to stand in the constituency. The only bit of 'demonocracy' (tee hee) is at the ballot box when we vote for 'their' candidate of choice...and as you prolly know, this is how Presidents/PM's are 'parachuted in'....planned well in advance, obviously... I was a 'prospective parliamentary candidate' for UKIP in 2005 - that's another story!

I mention the MP story as this, imo, is typical Luciferian behaviour.....it's against everything that Christ stood for, however and whoever we perceive Christ to be. He was quite possibly a mere modest Truthseeker such as ourselves who rumbled the self appointed/satanic elite and stood firm against them. Sadly, many didn't listen then and the 'moneylenders' are still in control.....for now.... But there's definately "something about Jesus" that has kept His name at the forefront of, well, almost everything for two millenia.

Even if people don't believe in God or Christ - I have to ask the question: "well why don't 'they' just swarm all over us and do what they intend right now - ie police state/martial law/electronic money/total control/lockdown of our lives etc?" - merely to retain the 'status quo' and control over everthing/body.
'They' have to make 'us' want and NEED this state of being - and too many are now rejecting it and 'seeing' at last. From all the hours of reading/watching/listening, I know that 'they' know there is something even 'they' are afraid of......and without that 'something' - 'they' are nothing.....

I had forgotten so much about Dan Winter's work - and I believe that his research can help many who don't yet live in compassion 'naturally' (if you know what I mean) as this is the beginning of the end of the (false) ego and which, imo, is the tool of Lucifer/Satan as without compassion in particular, we are nothing more than 'cattle' - the 'beast' man.....the very 'state' that we are meant to be manipulated into and live 'in' by the global 'elite'. In fact, the 'false ego' possibly 'is' the internal 'devil' that allows us, first within and then mirrored externally, to create and be manipulated to do such terrible things to each other. Until people learn that 'just following orders' is no excuse, this sad condition will continue.

The conquering of the ego is the beginning of authentic human life imo - I call this the 'death of the first born'. Of course, the majority of our parents, in their deliberately-created systemic ignorance, programme us from birth to become little 'luciferian/satanists ie pure materialists - especially through 'Christmas' the prime 'material fest'. The media and "education system" (so called) takes over when we begin to interract with the outside world....oh to know all this and to bring a child into the world as a Freeman on the Land and spiritually informed soul!!

I'm enjoying this thread immensely and am proud to be in the company of others who see - and most of all 'feel' things as they really are and know that it's up to US to make the difference.
Whatever we can do, we must do it.

Love and of course - PEACE!

Suke
x

ps - I apoligise for the 'mild' rant - I don't know where all that came from - I guess I had to just say it!! Do rein me in if I get carried away lol!!

[runciter]

i think this thread's fall was caused by my dialogue with octopussie.

maybe some of my posts contained information not suited for today's news.

if so, i apologize.

[sukyspook]

[QUOTE=sukyspook;986394][QUOTE=sukyspook;984320]thanks for that rich157.

I was reading an old Makow article that mentioned a book and thus reminded me of this video - not the best speaker/presenter there's ever been but the info he imparts is, imo, spot on:

Lucifer's Children with Milan Martin - 2' 38" 00 - and worth it imo:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3853656682661756084&ei=Ri4JSrWCHsPm-AbsnfndAg&q=Lucifers+Children



UOTE]


Hi suky, ;)

I just watched this vid. Thanks for posting. It was pretty good. I do see the scumbag elites inbreed pyschopaths playing out a 6000yr agenda , Relevations as cleverly written pys-ops for the Endtimes, which we have now reached, their global business plan as good as done. They own it all now and it's time for the big culling. ( they are so sure of themsleves now that they could almost televise a ritualistic sacrifice in the town square ).....

Fritz Springmeier ( got too close to the truth ) Prophesy Club vids are v informative too.


Lucifer Rising
By Philip Jones
5-13-9
http://www.rense.com/general85/lucifer.htm


(Diagram From `Be Wise As Serpents` Fritz Springmeier.)

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiter's of the earth and of the sea, for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

(but a long read,LOL).....Evil exists and it's rules this temporal plane.

Hi Lizzy :) glad you found the thread!! I thought another of mine had disappeared......

Thanks for the Rense link which I'll go and read now - I check Rense several times a day (sad aren't I - not!) but have to admit I missed that one - too many comings and goings here last night! Great timing eh, as always - the 'info-angel' at it again maybe lol.
I think Henry inspired and probably awoke many more peeps with the article that inspired this very thread and whilst I don't always agree 100% with him, he sure has captured the Luciferian/Satanic manipulation of the family and education in particular which, as a Mum myself, are paramount to creating a 'right-thinking' society, imo of course.

However, as you know, it's not about the 'person' (another story lol), it's about the info - which is why humanity 'goes bad' I suspect with our 'hero worship' - not a good thing - EVER, imo.

I too love the Prophecy Club videos - I've watched a great many since 2002 - poor old Fritz - but he too realised that The Truth is all that's important and worth dying for if necessary. Without a search - I believe he's still in jail for a minor 'set up' offence isn't he?

Thanks to you Lizzy I have my direction for today - and am now listening/watching Fritz once more!! Thank you! ;)

Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines & their Mind Control (Fritz Springmeier)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2694841576971107107&ei=VcoLSt3mJsGN-AaWjbH9Cw&q=fritz+springmeier+illuminati

Watch for 'them' trying something big - or have 'they' shot themselves in the foot - I hope so! Sars; bird flu and now swine flu have all failed and folks won't tolerate another illegal; immoral and downright evil "war"...for the blood 'sacrifice' of our children - for we are all someone's child...

I still maintain we need the police and military to wake up in droves and police for 'right-thinking' people as opposed to protecting and fighting FOR the Luciferian/Satanic 'elite'. Having said that, I've begun to become a 'freewoman on the land' having sent my first formal letter as such last week!

This is another great series from Michael Tsarion and the Red Ice boys who have done so much for Truth and hence, humanity - Michael is having a hard time at present but no matter what the truth of all that is - imo his work is very important to anyone seeking Truth:

Part 1: - The Brotherhood of Death:

http://www.redicecreations.com/webcast/2009/03mar/RIW-090301.html

Love n peace
Suke
x

[sukyspook]

i think this thread's fall was caused by my dialogue with octopussie.

maybe some of my posts contained information not suited for today's news.

if so, i apologize.

Oh no, I suppose, Runciter, that this thread is also in a 'fallen' state lol!!!

;)

To be fair, I suppose the thread was allowed quite a long time on the 'today's news' forum as it became less 'newsworthy', having said that, the viewing figures proved that it was of great and I believe genuine interest to those of us looking for answers to all the madness....that being borne out by the fact that there were mostly genuine responses ( :rolleyes: ) and a certain section of the forum didn't descend to hijack it (if you know who I mean....dib, dib, dib lol). I was a bit surprised that no 'forwarding note' was left.....

I went over to the 'other thread' you mentioned but am reluctant to post on such a topic as I've done that before and felt physically affected by the 'liberal' attitude, nay occasional downright attacks of some who believe Crowley's "do what though will shall be the whole of the law" should be the 'norm' - I, obviously, don't.

However, I have VERY strong views about the 'DARE' project and similar agendas of the likes of Common Purpose etc which, imo, are a huge part of the Luciferian agenda to create mere subserviant 'cattle' aka 'goy' out of humanity.

Suke

[sukyspook]

Sorry, me again!

Yippee!! Just found this. Now that it's finally in the UK lamestream press (what's left of it apparently) it'll have to be mentioned on UK Channel 4 at least.....:

UK Times
May 14, 2009
Shadowy Bilderberg group meet in Greece — and here’s their address

snip

Another way of viewing the club is that of Metropolitan Seraphim, the bishop of Piraeus, who said that the Bilderbergers represented a “criminal cabal of world Zionism and its efforts to set up a cruel world dictatorship under the headship of Lucifer”. This line is quite common on the blogosphere, where the club’s secrecy is taken as evidence of evil intentions.

snip

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6283373.ece

With ongoing revelations of Truth around the world, this is becoming quite a 'stand off' imo - be prepared, materially but especially spiritually.

[octopusrex]

i think this thread's fall was caused by my dialogue with octopussie.

maybe some of my posts contained information not suited for today's news.

if so, i apologize.

Don't be so dramatic. I pose an interesting answer to the thread of a "Lucifer" rebelion, and that is.. that Lucifer is actually a reasonable free creature compared to the other side of the argument. Do what thou willt.. Now isn't that what we all want? FREEDOM!!!

So folks spend all their time bitching about why the government is too draconic, and when somebody suggests that maybe this draconic government is their own fault for minding other people's business other than their own, they go all preachy and start to think you are the devil.

Bah, humbug.

[runciter]

Don't be so dramatic. I pose an interesting answer to the thread of a "Lucifer" rebelion, and that is.. that Lucifer is actually a reasonable free creature compared to the other side of the argument. Do what thou willt.. Now isn't that what we all want? FREEDOM!!!

So folks spend all their time bitching about why the government is too draconic, and when somebody suggests that maybe this draconic government is their own fault for minding other people's business other than their own, they go all preachy and start to think you are the devil.

Bah, humbug.

dramatic? i was apologizing to sukyspook, because i suspect i'm responsible for this thread's fall :)

pussie now i think everyone has understood your "point of view", no need to further humiliate yourself.

[sukyspook]

Don't be so dramatic. I pose an interesting answer to the thread of a "Lucifer" rebelion, and that is.. that Lucifer is actually a reasonable free creature compared to the other side of the argument. Do what thou willt.. Now isn't that what we all want? FREEDOM!!!

So folks spend all their time bitching about why the government is too draconic, and when somebody suggests that maybe this draconic government is their own fault for minding other people's business other than their own, they go all preachy and start to think you are the devil.

Bah, humbug.

"Lucifer a reasonable free creature".....in your eyes Octopusrex - thanks but no thanks - I don't need a Luciferic role model ie man becomes 'god'.....look around at what this mindset has done for humanity....then it turns on us to tell us that WE demanded furniture that in turn destroyed the rain forests or that WE insisted on using oil which is heating up the planet - BOLLOX.

Old Lucifer is very, very clever - like the squirming MP's scurrying to pay back what they attempted to purloin from the UK taxpayer - only because they were found out...Luciferian to a masonic 'T'.

IMO, Lucifer IS the other side of the argument.....but only to a 'wide awaker'....

Anyone/thing that tries to impose its will - against all 'right-thinking' human beings - (as opposed to fictional 'persons'), poses a threat to the well being of human life - ergo, what we are faced with today - the Satanic/Luciferian mindset that wishes to rule the world for itself.

I've tried to understand your second para and respond to it but have scrubbed four different replies already - I don't really 'get' what you are trying to say - would you like to expand a bit??

You're not a mason are you? - no offence intended.

Peace above all things.....in your heart then in the world.

[runciter]

no, i don't think he's a mason.

all that blabber about "making your own business" is about protecting certain old traditions.

his "opinion" on the german government's publication gives a clue.

[octopusrex]

"Lucifer a reasonable free creature".....in your eyes Octopusrex - thanks but no thanks - I don't need a Luciferic role model ie man becomes 'god'.....look around at what this mindset has done for humanity....then it turns on us to tell us that WE demanded furniture that in turn destroyed the rain forests or that WE insisted on using oil which is heating up the planet - BOLLOX.

Old Lucifer is very, very clever - like the squirming MP's scurrying to pay back what they attempted to purloin from the UK taxpayer - only because they were found out...Luciferian to a masonic 'T'.

IMO, Lucifer IS the other side of the argument.....but only to a 'wide awaker'....

Anyone/thing that tries to impose its will - against all 'right-thinking' human beings - (as opposed to fictional 'persons'), poses a threat to the well being of human life - ergo, what we are faced with today - the Satanic/Luciferian mindset that wishes to rule the world for itself.

I've tried to understand your second para and respond to it but have scrubbed four different replies already - I don't really 'get' what you are trying to say - would you like to expand a bit??

You're not a mason are you? - no offence intended.

Peace above all things.....in your heart then in the world.


Here is a little bit of "witchy" lore FYI:

Lucifer = Venus
Venus = Love
YVHV = Jupiter
Jupiter = "Hosts" meaning Armies.
Armies = War

So here we have a reversal of the original Christian beleif: Jehova is War and Lucifer is Love. This actually fits in with a host of "anti" Christians from Masons to Knights Templar and Gnostics.

All these "anti" Christians have their origins in Egypt and India.. Heinrich Himmler did not send expeditions to Tibet for nothing. Think of religions as super-charged football teams. There is a point where nobody wins. That's the point where folks get burned at the stake, Cruzades get started, and philosophical genocide takes place. So don't ask me to take sides. It's ridiculous to take sides. Muslim, Jew.. Christian.. Illuminati. They are all deluded. They are still in the duality of "us" and "them".

Soup from the soup. You asked if I am a "mason".. Well, I would not take their iniciations because they ask too much. But I've been asked, yes. What I am is a sincere searcher for the truth.. Not the "popular" truth. Not the truth your mom would be proud of.. Just the factual truth. Science, I am afraid, too often looses track of it because it lacks "art" it lacks poetry.

So what is the truth? I have no clue.. But I certainly know the right questions. Ask yourself this: why is an "anti" Christ needed at all? The reverse of Christ' message is: do onto others what you would not like them to do onto you. Anybody engaged in doing that is extremely ignorant and stupid. Sadly, in that speaks of about 99% of the most successful corporations.

Each thing has it's place. It would be a bit to ask, of folks who have been taught from childhood to be a certain way, lets say catholic or lutheran or even luciferian or whatever... to change just because someobody on a net forum explains to them a radically different theory.

Don't try to put things into categories. Each event is unique. I give you a perfect "for instance"... Runciter says to me that there is no need to embarras myself further.. He or she is putting me in a "category" of what he or she understands to be a point of view about pedophilia. This person does not know me nor does this person know my history, my profound ideas, etc. And yet, this person thinks that speaking in defence of pedophilia (like the germans did in their brochure?) is something that would make me feel bad somehow.

See? You can take a horse to water but you can't make the horse thirsty. And yet, if you know that a desert looms ahead, how can you convince a horse to drink the water?

We are programmed from birth to react in a certain manner. First by our parents, especially our mothers. Then our father, brothers and sisters, teachers, friends.. Then society, peers, the world at large. We inform ourselves of our reality based on the mirrors of other people's expectations. Very few are those who can actually become "quiet" of their own programming and see things at face value for what they really are.

[runciter]

what kind of love is lucifer, the kind promoted by the german government's publication?

and i wrote about self-humiliation, not embarassment.

[runciter]

do onto others what you would not like them to do onto you.


if you were a cat you'd ask to be "fingered", if you were a child... see publication.

[octopusrex]

if you were a cat you'd ask to be "fingered", if you were a child... see publication.

You are still "reacting".

[runciter]

You are still "reacting".

forget about the kabbalistic utopia, it will never be realized.

[realy]

Here is a little bit of "witchy" lore FYI:

Lucifer = Venus
Venus = Love
YVHV = Jupiter
Jupiter = "Hosts" meaning Armies.
Armies = War

So here we have a reversal of the original Christian beleif: Jehova is War and Lucifer is Love. This actually fits in with a host of "anti" Christians from Masons to Knights Templar and Gnostics.

All these "anti" Christians have their origins in Egypt and India.. Heinrich Himmler did not send expeditions to Tibet for nothing. Think of religions as super-charged football teams. There is a point where nobody wins. That's the point where folks get burned at the stake, Cruzades get started, and philosophical genocide takes place. So don't ask me to take sides. It's ridiculous to take sides. Muslim, Jew.. Christian.. Illuminati. They are all deluded. They are still in the duality of "us" and "them".

Soup from the soup. You asked if I am a "mason".. Well, I would not take their iniciations because they ask too much. But I've been asked, yes. What I am is a sincere searcher for the truth.. Not the "popular" truth. Not the truth your mom would be proud of.. Just the factual truth. Science, I am afraid, too often looses track of it because it lacks "art" it lacks poetry.

So what is the truth? I have no clue.. But I certainly know the right questions. Ask yourself this: why is an "anti" Christ needed at all? The reverse of Christ' message is: do onto others what you would not like them to do onto you. Anybody engaged in doing that is extremely ignorant and stupid. Sadly, in that speaks of about 99% of the most successful corporations.

Each thing has it's place. It would be a bit to ask, of folks who have been taught from childhood to be a certain way, lets say catholic or lutheran or even luciferian or whatever... to change just because someobody on a net forum explains to them a radically different theory.

Don't try to put things into categories. Each event is unique. I give you a perfect "for instance"... Runciter says to me that there is no need to embarras myself further.. He or she is putting me in a "category" of what he or she understands to be a point of view about pedophilia. This person does not know me nor does this person know my history, my profound ideas, etc. And yet, this person thinks that speaking in defence of pedophilia (like the germans did in their brochure?) is something that would make me feel bad somehow.

See? You can take a horse to water but you can't make the horse thirsty. And yet, if you know that a desert looms ahead, how can you convince a horse to drink the water?

We are programmed from birth to react in a certain manner. First by our parents, especially our mothers. Then our father, brothers and sisters, teachers, friends.. Then society, peers, the world at large. We inform ourselves of our reality based on the mirrors of other people's expectations. Very few are those who can actually become "quiet" of their own programming and see things at face value for what they really are.

3rd reich were involved with very evil magical practices, which eventualy comsumed most of them..

[sukyspook]

Here is a little bit of "witchy" lore FYI:

Lucifer = Venus
Venus = Love
YVHV = Jupiter
Jupiter = "Hosts" meaning Armies.
Armies = War

So here we have a reversal of the original Christian beleif: Jehova is War and Lucifer is Love. This actually fits in with a host of "anti" Christians from Masons to Knights Templar and Gnostics.

IMO, Jehova and Lucifer are on the same side.....

All these "anti" Christians have their origins in Egypt and India.. Heinrich Himmler did not send expeditions to Tibet for nothing. Think of religions as super-charged football teams. There is a point where nobody wins. That's the point where folks get burned at the stake, Cruzades get started, and philosophical genocide takes place. So don't ask me to take sides. It's ridiculous to take sides. Muslim, Jew.. Christian.. Illuminati. They are all deluded. They are still in the duality of "us" and "them".

If you go back a couple of pages you'll find 2 x mp3's from Dave Emery called 'Hello Dalai' - part 1 is a bit 'laboured' but the gist of the prog, especially p2 is the Nazis going to Tibet etc

Soup from the soup. You asked if I am a "mason".. Well, I would not take their iniciations because they ask too much. But I've been asked, yes. What I am is a sincere searcher for the truth.. Not the "popular" truth. Not the truth your mom would be proud of.. Just the factual truth. Science, I am afraid, too often looses track of it because it lacks "art" it lacks poetry.

We're looking for one and the same then.....Truth

So what is the truth? I have no clue.. But I certainly know the right questions. Ask yourself this: why is an "anti" Christ needed at all? The reverse of Christ' message is: do onto others what you would not like them to do onto you. Anybody engaged in doing that is extremely ignorant and stupid. Sadly, in that speaks of about 99% of the most successful corporations.

I agree on a mindset that is the reverse of Christ's message being in control... IMO to be a 'good' and 'right-thinking' human being we must live in peace, love and especially in compassion and we must treat others the same - the real message of Christ as I understand it.
Of course, in today's popular culture this kind of message is largely scoffed at - part of the Luciferian agenda to steer us away from everything 'right' and 'good'. I have a small book called 'The Imitation of Christ' by Thomas a Kempis. On every page is gentle wisdom. But what I want to say is that we must imitate the philosophies of Christ if we want to learn to be better people and hence, improve the lot of the world. I would offer this as a hint to those who scoff at Christ and Lucifer/Satan as until one 'gets it', one can't change things in the material world, the very domain of Lucifer/Satan. Of course, one can only change 'the world' somewhat when one has changed oneself.

Each thing has it's place. It would be a bit to ask, of folks who have been taught from childhood to be a certain way, lets say catholic or lutheran or even luciferian or whatever... to change just because someobody on a net forum explains to them a radically different theory.

I wrote earlier in the thread how the system is perpetuated via our indoctrinated parents who in turn indoctrinate their children - until the children 'wake up' that is and what is happening on a massive scale today - thankfully!

Don't try to put things into categories. Each event is unique. I give you a perfect "for instance"... Runciter says to me that there is no need to embarras myself further.. He or she is putting me in a "category" of what he or she understands to be a point of view about pedophilia. This person does not know me nor does this person know my history, my profound ideas, etc. And yet, this person thinks that speaking in defence of pedophilia (like the germans did in their brochure?) is something that would make me feel bad somehow.

IMO, defending pedophilia, whilst maybe not quite as bad as the 'act' itself surely makes one guilty by 'association'?? Christ would not tolerate such acts and therefore, as a believer in the philosophies of Christ, any pedophilia is abhorrant to me - have you read The Talmud lately or seen Bill Schneobelen's video earlier in the thread??

See? You can take a horse to water but you can't make the horse thirsty. And yet, if you know that a desert looms ahead, how can you convince a horse to drink the water?

Horses still have their intuition intact - unless they too have been negatively affected by EMF's/programming etc....

We are programmed from birth to react in a certain manner. First by our parents, especially our mothers. Then our father, brothers and sisters, teachers, friends.. Then society, peers, the world at large. We inform ourselves of our reality based on the mirrors of other people's expectations. Very few are those who can actually become "quiet" of their own programming and see things at face value for what they really are.

I agree completely.



I've inserted my replies into your text Octopusrex - hope you don't mind....bit late now lol!! ;)

I'll be back later, when I've exercised my body down the gym lol - as I've had a breakthrough in my theory about Lucifer and Thoth.....

Suke

[lizzy]

Hi suks. :)just a quick reply.....I watched the MT red-ice vid......he's still blaming people for their '-un-washed ' minds and morals......I blame tptb.

It also crosses my mind that Freemasonary has been around for thousands of years...that those at the top are the real evil, promoting the pyschopaths thro' the ranks , leaving the un or less corruptable at the bottom ...but I see the lodges are more their playground....acting out their blood tie rituals.
.....that the real evil is done 'at work' in the CFR, club of Rome, RIIA, UN, UNESCO, the ngo's , comon purpose..military,ect ..and right now with the Bilderberg meeting...planning the next phrase of humanity's demise.....

Be back later suks.....
;)

[sukyspook]

Hi suks. :)just a quick reply.....I watched the MT red-ice vid......he's still blaming people for their '-un-washed ' minds and morals......I blame tptb.

Hi Lizzy!

I also blame the 'ptb' but.....I also blame 'us' further down the line.
As I've just written over at the 'Tamiflu' thread, we are deliberately manipulated to remain ignorant which I see as pure evil behaviour towards humanity by the 'Satanic/Luciferian' "elite". This is what I wrote:

Unless we are awake and aware, we merely accept these images as what ALL humans are capable of....I get sick of hearing people say "humanity is very young and has a lot to learn".....what horse manure!

We are deliberately kept ignorant via all forms of media unless we become awake and aware which begins with our desiring to 'know' the Truth of all things - with me it began after 911 when I knew there was something really, REALLY wrong.... - an understatement!! Whilst I began to question reality in earnest after 911, I've always 'known' that life as it's presented to us, is not meant to be 'this way'....my Mum used to describe me as 'different' lol!

The old 'horse to water, can't make it drink' comes to mind in that once we 'know' in our body/mind/soul what has been done to humanity so a relative few can keep it enslaved, we can't make someone else 'see' what we do. And of course, from the UN down, the 'National Curriculum' was specifically designed to dumb us all down and 'become' the cultural idols we're presented with throughout our formative years thus shaping society to be materialistic and dare I say....shallow. Please don't think I think I'm 'superior' - I'm absolutely not, but this has to be said.....and we must say it.


It also crosses my mind that Freemasonary has been around for thousands of years...that those at the top are the real evil, promoting the pyschopaths thro' the ranks , leaving the un or less corruptable at the bottom ...but I see the lodges are more their playground....acting out their blood tie rituals.
.....that the real evil is done 'at work' in the CFR, club of Rome, RIIA, UN, UNESCO, the ngo's , comon purpose..military,ect ..and right now with the Bilderberg meeting...planning the next phrase of humanity's demise.....


I absolutely agree - but again, either through choice or ignorance, we are all tools and vassals of evil, rich 'people' and only our own awakening can we stop this Satanic/Luciferian manipulation of humanity - but that requires us to actually 'think' - which many would rather not do and hence, 'they' get to keep the status quo.

The Masons won't have it that they, like the REAL Jews are in general, tools of the Satanic agenda, as is anyone who allows themselves to be manipulated by a 'Grand Master'; Rabbi; Priest etc - once there's someone between you and *God, The Most High Creator of Everything (note, not an architect), then we are mere tools of said agenda (*or whatever the real name of The True Creator is/are....).

We are wholly responsible for our own actions and as eggs is eggs, one day I guess we will answer for those actions. That's enough for me to 'know' that if I do anything to harm anyone else, I will pay... That doesn't mean that I am simply scared of a 'boogeyman in the sky' and live my life in FEAR, on the contrary, since I 'know' in my heart how all this works - and am still learning - there is no question of doing harm to another human being. Such action impacts upon the rest of life and helps to keep us as 'lower energy' beings and thus, the 'cattle' 'they' wish to 'farm'.

And this 'balancing good with evil' deeds thing that 'they' believe.....is another Satanic lie imo.

Be back later suks.....
;)

I've inserted replies into your text above Lizzy

Suke x

[sukyspook]

Continuing the exposure of ongoing Luciferian agenda:

From May 27 1999:


On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton , Colorado , was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

Quote:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain.. Their blood cries out f or answers."

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart."

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent."

"I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best."

"Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!"

" Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence.. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts."

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!"

"My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!" "

end

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/scott.asp

[octopusrex]

I've inserted my replies into your text Octopusrex - hope you don't mind....bit late now lol!! ;)

I'll be back later, when I've exercised my body down the gym lol - as I've had a breakthrough in my theory about Lucifer and Thoth.....

Suke

Suke: don't be to arrogant as to decide for Christ what he would or would not tolerate. That same arrogance begot the Cruzades, Conquista and Witch Hunts. :mad:

[octopusrex]

forget about the kabbalistic utopia, it will never be realized.

Kabbalistic Utopia? Can you tell me a little more? I know nothing about such things. Oh, I know a little bit about the Tarot, but frankly, Kabbala is not something I ... practice.

[runciter]

Suke: don't be to arrogant as to decide for Christ what he would or would not tolerate. That same arrogance begot the Cruzades, Conquista and Witch Hunts. :mad:

paedophilia will never be tolerated, it's sexual manipulation of defenseless creatures.

[runciter]

Kabbalistic Utopia? Can you tell me a little more? I know nothing about such things. Oh, I know a little bit about the Tarot, but frankly, Kabbala is not something I ... practice.

what else do you practice, other than tarot?

[sukyspook]

Suke: don't be to arrogant as to decide for Christ what he would or would not tolerate. That same arrogance begot the Cruzades, Conquista and Witch Hunts. :mad:

Point taken - I'll just sit back and wait for Christ to come and make up my mind for me.

Thank you for pointing out my arrogance.

[sukyspook]

snip

Mercury and Lucifer are one and the same. One talks about Mercury when he is pure, it is the white sulphur, the fire in heaven. As ‘spiritus’ he gives life. As ‘spiritus sapiens’ he teaches the alchemist the Great Work. Lucifer is the impure Mercury. Lucifer is the morning star fallen from (the golden) heaven. He descended into the earth and is now present in all humans. Lucifer is Mercury mixed with impure elements. He dissolved ‘in sulfur and salt’, ‘is wrapped with strings’, ‘darkened with black mud’. Keep in mind we are always talking about our consciousness. Lucifer represents our everyday consciousness, all the (psychological and other) complexes have clouded our pure consciousness, Mercury**.

The light of Mercury that appears to us as Lucifer, because of the distortion caused by the impurities, gives the impression of what the alchemists called ‘red sulfur’. The red sulfur of Lucifer, as traditional devil, is actually an illusion. It does not exist by itself because it is only an image, a distorted image of Mercury. We ourselves caused the impurities, the blackness that veils our true light being.

Red sulfur is the same as what is called Maya in eastern philosophies. Maya is the world of illusions, or the veil that prevents us from seeing and experiencing true reality, where the eternal light is. By the impurities of Maya, man has become ignorant. He has forgotten his origin and thinks he is in a world which in actuality is an illusion.

(picture/text)
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/media/alchemy/MercAphr.jpg

The union of Hermes and Aphrodite. The moon is above the retort, indicating this is the stage of Albedo. The sun above is the next stage of Rubedo. At the same time sun and moon are again the opposites to be united. Aphrodite has two torches. One pointing down, representing the lower passions to be transmuted. The upside down torch is the purified energies. Aphrodite is standing on a tetrahedron, the perfect three dimensional body, as all corners are equally distant from each other, resulting in a lack of tension.


As we mentioned above, Aphrodite/Venus as the morning star is a central image for the albedo phase of the Great Work. Aphrodite was born from the foam that arose when the genitals of Uranus (cut of by Chronos, out of hate and jealousy) fell into the sea. The cutting of the genitals represents repressed and tormented love. The sea, symbol of the soul, however will bring forth the love goddess. Liberation will happen when we become conscious again of the contents of the soul. As Aphrodite is born from the sea, she is the guide through the fearful world of the unconscious (the sea, or the underworld). The alchemist descends into these depths to find the ‘prima materia’, also called the ‘green lion’.
The color green refers to the primal life forces. Venus also has the green color. An important characteristic of Aphrodite is that she helps us in our human shortcomings. She gives ideals and dreams to fulfill. But she also gives frightening images in order to make man aware of his lower nature. "By her beauty Venus attracts the imperfect metals and gives rise to desire, and pushes them to perfection and ripeness." (Basilius Valentinus, 1679) Liberation can only happen by becoming conscious of the lower nature and how we transmute it.

snip

http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy%202.htm

If Mercury is Lucifer, and Mercury is Thoth/Hermes, then it follows that Lucifer is also Thoth/Hermes/Enoch/Idris/Metatron and quite a few other names too.

In Anton Le Vey's "Satanic Bible", on pages 31, 32 and 33 are listed the 'Infernal Names'. On page 32, Thoth is in the list as "Egyptian god of magic".

My theory is that Enochian Magic (for Thoth is Enoch) forms part or is maybe one translation of the info the Fallen Angels brought to Earth and is what is used to enslave all of humanity to date. - the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" per se. The "Tree of Life" imo gives just that - LIFE - naturally, without performing 'magick' to gain personal or worldly advantage over others.

the search continues.

**spiritual Mercury/Lucifer is given a 'physiological' helping hand via mercury in vaccines.

[tyler]

Much to ponder on.

Transmuting the lower nature is what I am working on at the moment! Oh lust, begone, stop tormenting me!

Of course we all know why we are saturated with porn and sex and alcohol and drugs. Why they stick it front of our noses every day.

Chocolate is some relief. Thank you Tesco Devils for putting five packs of Cadbury's Twirl on special offer!

[lizzy]

Hi Suks..:)..thanks for your reply.......good link there to the house of sun.....a long "stone age" or Atlantean when they had much knowledge of geometry / astronomy but the fusing of metals came later?....Mercury also msm, total evil.

edit , hi tyler good to see you....glad the twists are on sale......and turns too, lol;)

[octopusrex]

Point taken - I'll just sit back and wait for Christ to come and make up my mind for me.

Thank you for pointing out my arrogance.

You are very welcome! You now demonstrate wisdom to me! ;)

[octopusrex]

what else do you practice, other than tarot?

Peyote Healing, Za Zen, Ayahuasca Helaing... The basics.

Back to the pedo thing.. Here we are caught in a web of definitions. For instance, I personally believe that circumcision is child abuse. This is a personal beleif that has to do with my own hang-ups and not necessarily the truth. Now Pedophilia, like many other "inflamatory" words: witchcraft, homosexuality, etc. is practized by a large number of people who hide from ordinary folks who would never consider such things. Some of these people are simple rapists. They cause harm to other human beings who are defenseless and blah blah...

BUT...

What about the ones who don't? What about, for instance, the Spartans?

[lizzy]

Peyote Healing, Za Zen, Ayahuasca Helaing... The basics.

Back to the pedo thing.. Here we are caught in a web of definitions. For instance, I personally believe that circumcision is child abuse. This is a personal beleif that has to do with my own hang-ups and not necessarily the truth. Now Pedophilia, like many other "inflamatory" words: witchcraft, homosexuality, etc. is practized by a large number of people who hide from ordinary folks who would never consider such things. Some of these people are simple rapists. They cause harm to other human beings who are defenseless and blah blah...

BUT...

What about the ones who don't? What about, for instance, the Spartans?
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Every child used for sexual gratification of an adult is being abused.

The Spartans???

Little wonder you voted in favour of the NWO......those monsters would be couching their words EXACTLY like you.

[runciter]

You are very welcome! You now demonstrate wisdom to me! ;)

i don't think she was speaking seriously, in any case inhuman habits will never be "tolerated".

you're only interested in preserving some filthy traditions, and you know well that it's simply impossible.

[octopusrex]

This is the part where all of you crucify me for having a different point of view from your own. :D

[runciter]

This is the part where all of you crucify me for having a different point of view from your own. :D

i've read that in sparta young boys were sodomized as soon as they reached puberty.

but i suspect there were also earlier abuses, the above "initiation" was only a reinforcement.

[runciter]

Peyote Healing, Za Zen, Ayahuasca Helaing... The basics.

Back to the pedo thing.. Here we are caught in a web of definitions. For instance, I personally believe that circumcision is child abuse. This is a personal beleif that has to do with my own hang-ups and not necessarily the truth. Now Pedophilia, like many other "inflamatory" words: witchcraft, homosexuality, etc. is practized by a large number of people who hide from ordinary folks who would never consider such things. Some of these people are simple rapists. They cause harm to other human beings who are defenseless and blah blah...

BUT...

What about the ones who don't? What about, for instance, the Spartans?

abuse is abuse, an incestuous parent is no better than an alien rapist.

[luciferhorus]

(sukyspook)
Henry Makow's Lucifer's Rebellion Gains Momentum
April 30, 2009

"The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt," Timothy Mathews lists their recommendations, made over 50 years ago. How many do you recognize?

http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/Pics/Bible.jpg

1. The creation of racism offenses.


50 years ago racial segragation was enshrined in Law in some Christian nations (such as America and South Africa) and racism flourished; I cannot see how anyone other than a racist would object to racism being considered offensive.

2. Continual change to create confusion

'Conservatives' generally seek to 'conserve' the values of the past.' Revolution requires a radical change.

3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children

Christians generally want to teach that exclusive heterosexuality and monogamy are 'natural;' yet these two institutions of the priesthood of Christ are entirely unnatural.

4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority

Resist, rebel, revolt; a rebellious attitude towards authority is required for the success of global Luciferian revolution.

5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.

Nationalism, racism and xenophobia are part of the disease of Christendom for which a mass flux of immigrants is the cure.

6. The promotion of excessive drinking

Very useful especially if used in conjunction with certain drugs; drinking in public also creates a French style cafe society where people congregate to socialise, slag off religou and government, and the cafe and the bar replace the scourge of the Christian Church.

7. Emptying of churches

Burning them to the ground and leaving not one stone above another would be preferable.

8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime

Christendom has never had so many people in it's jails.

9. Dependency on the state or state benefits

Well then the Christian state terrorists have less money to spend on advancing their Capitalist revolution. Caring for the young, the sick and the old, is of course entirely un-Christian and is usually a cause of the 'Left.'

10. Control and dumbing down of media

The Christian Capitalist state terrorists are certainly doing this, but we have seen the rise of the most advanced platform for freedom of speech, political freedom and freedom of the press, which is the Internet.

11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

The future world will be polyamorous; sexual Communism will replace the sins of monogamy and marraige.

Lux
Ordo ab chaos.
The 1000 Year Revolution of Lucifer.
The Final Revolution against Christianity; the Great Work of the Ages.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m1/flamotte/rutherford-church-fire.jpg

http://schooloffish.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/free_thinker.jpg

[octopusrex]

abuse is abuse, an incestuous parent is no better than an alien rapist.

Do you speak from personal experience?

[kasalt]

http://schooloffish.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/free_thinker.jpg

When has communism ever allowed for free thought?

[runciter]

pp 101 - Then he finally made the announcement for which the Jewish community had been waiting for 1600 years - he would begin the Redemption on the 15th day of the month of Sivan, June 18, 1666.

** There are many who will recognize the significance of the date. June is the sixth month, 18 divided by three is 6+6+6 and 1666 is clear enough. Either he knew what he was doing or the prophesies of the emergence of an evil false messiah or anti-Christ are right, and Shabbatai Zvi was him. **

pp 110 - Through all of this, Shabbatai continued to issue proclamations of the theological changes wrought by the coming of the messianic age. Shabbatai's new prayer was, "Praised be He who permits the forbidden." Since all things would be permitted in the age of the messiah, Shabbatai declared many of the old restrictions of the Torah no longer applicable. He abolished the laws concerning sexual relationships. He eventually declared that all of the thirty six major biblical sins were now permitted and instructed some of his followers that it was their duty to perform such sins in order to hasten the Redemption.

** Shabbatai's fall from grace among the great masses of Jews came in September 1666, when the Sultan of Turkey threatened him with torture unless he converted to Islam. He relented and most of Jewry abandoned him. But not all. A core of his followers kept their messiah alive and kicking hard. **

pp 112 - In order to bring on the Reformation, Shabbatai had descended into the darkness of the Muslim world to gather the scattered fragments of the light of creation hidden there. There was an outward reality and an inner reality. Nathan transformed Shabbatainism into a theology of paradox. Once the followers accepted the concept of paradox, they would be able to keep on believing in Shabbatai Zvi... An inner circle of his followers accepted the explanations of Nathan and continued to believe in Shabbatai the Messiah.

** The Shabatai followers continued their hidden life in the Turkish sect of the Donmeh, whose activities continue to this day, as reported extensively this year, even by the staid Jerusalem Post. One of the Donmeh followers was Jacob Frank, who would transform Europe and the world into a Shabbataian hell barely a century later. **

http://www.redmoonrising.com/chamish/Dec03.htm

[runciter]

On May 1, 1989, a "nice Jewish girl", age 29, appeared on the Oprah Show and said her family was part of a Satanic cult that dates back to the 1700's.

Although they appear to be upstanding citizens --lawyers, doctors, police officers etc.-- they engage in Satanic ritual human sacrifice, incest and cannibalism, often in synagogues. They drink blood and eat babies.

She is describing the Illuminati which originated in the Frankist Movement in the Eighteenth century. Jacob Frank, born Jacob Leibowitz (1726-1791) led a major Satanic heresy that shook the Jewish world. They believed that the Messiah would return if the world went over to evil completely, so they encouraged all sexual licence and Satanic Evil as the ultimate Good. Financed by the Frankist Rothschild banking syndicate, they subverted all religions and national elites by assuming every religious and political hue. They took over Freemasonry and are now in the final stage of establishing their world government a.k.a "globalization."

The abuse Polin suffered is a textbook example of how Illuminati families --Jews and non-Jews-- treat their children. George W. Bush and Barack Obama may have suffered similar trauma and, (like Polin,) have multiple personality disorder. Vicki is from Chicago and there is no telling how many Chicagoans surrounding Barack Obama are part of this Satanic cult.

THE OPRAH INTERVIEW

Polin told Oprah that she witnessed babies sacrificed and consumed for the "power" this gave. These babies are bred within the extended family for this purpose. She said she was raped several times, and elsewhere says she had five abortions due to intercourse with her father.

Polin said her family was "extremely involved" in these practices. Her mother is "on the human relations commission of the town that she lives in, and she's an upstanding citizen. Nobody would suspect her. Nobody would suspect anybody involved in it. There's police officers involved in it. There's, you know, doctors, lawyers..."

"I mean, to the outside world, everything we did was proper and right, and then there were the nights that things changed, that things just got turned around. What was wrong was right, and what was right was wrong. That's what helps to create some of them to develop MPD."

Polin's therapist, Tina Grossman was on the show but edited out of the YouTube. She told Oprah that she had treated over 40 survivors from many states and Canada. They have never met each other yet say the "identical same things."

Ms. GROSSMAN: They are describing identical rituals, just the same as, since I'm Jewish, you could go to New York or California and describe a seder in one state or another and, as a Jew, you would recognize it. This is the belief system in evil and the power that evil gives you, and so it has these certain rituals, so they are very similar with all of the survivors.

OPRAH: See, but I am very surprised because the Jewish faith is the Jewish faith. and worshipping the devil is not a part of the Jewish faith. I mean, Jewish people do not worship the devil.

Ms. GROSSMAN: But before there was Christ and before there was a system of one God, there was Paganism- and it still exists in the world, and in many cultures, you still find the belief that there is strength and power in the actual consumption of human flesh or animal flesh.

http://www.henrymakow.com/incest_survivor_lifted_veil_on.html

[sukyspook]

[QUOTE=luciferhorus;998561]


50 years ago racial segragation was enshrined in Law in some Christian nations (such as America and South Africa) and racism flourished; I cannot see how anyone other than a racist would object to racism being considered offensive.

'Conservatives' generally seek to 'conserve' the values of the past.' Revolution requires a radical change.

Christians generally want to teach that exclusive heterosexuality and monogamy are 'natural;' yet these two institutions of the priesthood of Christ are entirely unnatural.

Resist, rebel, revolt; a rebellious attitude towards authority is required for the success of global Luciferian revolution.

Nationalism, racism and xenophobia are part of the disease of Christendom for which a mass flux of immigrants is the cure.

Very useful especially if used in conjunction with certain drugs; drinking in public also creates a French style cafe society where people congregate to socialise, slag off religou and government, and the cafe and the bar replace the scourge of the Christian Church.

Burning them to the ground and leaving not one stone above another would be preferable.

Christendom has never had so many people in it's jails.

Well then the Christian state terrorists have less money to spend on advancing their Capitalist revolution. Caring for the young, the sick and the old, is of course entirely un-Christian and is usually a cause of the 'Left.'

The Christian Capitalist state terrorists are certainly doing this, but we have seen the rise of the most advanced platform for freedom of speech, political freedom and freedom of the press, which is the Internet.

The future world will be polyamorous; sexual Communism will replace the sins of monogamy and marraige.

Lux
Ordo ab chaos.
The 1000 Year Revolution of Lucifer.
The Final Revolution against Christianity; the Great Work of the Ages.



I feel a bit strange addressing 'Luciferhorus' lol but that's a great post. (IMO avatars definately affect how we perceive - and ultimately react to each other.....) - and no, I'm not a pig wearing a surgical mask lol.

Well all the 'boxes' in that list are ticked aren't they, there's no denying that....sigh.

I guess what we perceive as 'Christian' in the so called 'Christian Nations' can be described as Luciferian....and the behaviour of those nations is abhorrant, no more so than the US and UK with their more recent sorties into the Middle East.

The predicament of humanity can be summed up on one Biblical passage:

2 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV)
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I'm not sure if you're 'for' the Luciferian future that's being imposed on us all Luciferhorus - with a name like that I suspect you might be but apologise if I've misread you.
However, it's wrong for me, or anyone else, to impose an agenda upon the rest of the world, particularly if it means intentionally manipulating others body, mind and soul and especially as it's being done covertly, at least to those still 'sleeping'.

It's very interesting how the name 'Lucifer' is being spoken out daily now - and not before time too so that we can at least get a dialogue going. Here's another article talking of the same as is highly relevant to 'the conversation':

As You Sow So Shall You Reap - The Rant
By Philip Jones
5-19-9

In my original article `As You Sow So Shall You Reap` first posted here on 28th April this year, I told of the sad and very unfortunate story of two children, `Alfie and Chantelle` who hit the UK headlines when it was reported that 12 year old Chantelle Steadman was pregnant supposedly by a 13 year old boy whom she named tentatively as being Alfie Patten. It now transpires that young Alfie is not the father after all, and today, the morning papers throughout the UK ran the headline `Alfie Patten 'not father of baby'.

We now know that Alfie was told he was not the baby's father back in March of this year. Alfie, who lives with his mother in Eastbourne, had upon originally discovering that he might be the father told The Sun `Newspaper` "I thought it would be good to have a baby". If schoolboy Alfie had been the father he would have made Chantelle pregnant at the tender age of 12.

The various UK `daily's` told how Teenager Alfie Patten was "extremely distressed" to discover that baby Masie was not his. It appears that after all the trauma and publicity, a paternity test had showed that it was in fact another local boy, 15 year old, Tyler Barker, who was in fact the father.

Apparently, young Tyler had told the Daily Mirror that he had had sex with Chantelle during a one-night stand last May after spending the evening drinking at her home ?

He said: "I did not use any contraception but Chantelle told me she would take the morning-after pill. I thought she would take care of it. Her mother knew I was going to sleep with Chantelle. The next morning she even asked 'Did you have a good night?' It was routine for boys to stay over with her in her bed."

I am sure that I am not the only one wincing and cringing at that last statement. What sort of society (or mother) allows, nay, encourages such depraved behaviour? Well actually most Western lands have their own Alfies and Chantelles to deal with, but the situation in not so `Great Britain` is clearly past the point of rescue. Can there be any doubt in the mind of the reader that Lucifer is the God of that system of things?

I am able to reveal the test result here only after East Sussex County Council had failed in an attempt to ban reports of the case. Why would they want to have such a ban in place? Because they are ashamed or embarrassed at their own professional ineptitude? I doubt it. It is much more likely that they want to just keep things ticking along as they are at present, with the whole of UK society imploding into utter chaos, from which they, the Masonic Masters can impose their own version of order.

A judgment, made last month by Mrs Justice Eleanor King, said the girl had been called a "slut" by four people she did not know. The teenager said: "I was crying a lot every day" and feared that the insults would "go on forever".

Now here's where we see Lucifer at work and play. Contrary to all the evidence (and there's lots of it) that Sex Education in Schools has actually increased promiscuity, sexually transmitted disease, and unwanted pregnancy amongst teens, this sorry tale has `surprise surprise` renewed calls for better sex education in England, which has the highest rate of teenage pregnancies in western Europe, along with all the accompanying social and moral ills such as abortion and the interconnected physical and psychological trauma which goes with it.

It is an incredible fact of life now, that as the Socialists, Secularists, Feminists, Humanists and other assorted `enlightened` types, watch their inept, perverse and degrading ideas fail constantly to do anything but make all matters worse, their `default` response is to force ever more of the same insidious and pernicious bile ridden ideology and dogma down the collective throats of the bewildered masses. It seems clear to this writer that the only hope left for those dwindling numbers of humanity, who still have any moral decency and integrity left, is to rise up and throw these `creatures from hell` back where they came from, wherever that may be, and sooner rather than later.

end

http://www.rense.com/general85/reap.htm

(my emphases - Suke)

As a Mum of 3 children (all over 16) this article echoes my sentiments perfectly. Gone are the days when I 'trusted' the 'authorities' to have my/our best interests at heart and especially in our schools where our children as young as 10 and soon to be as young as 5 are introduced to sex education which will only see an increase in under age pregnancies in years to come - and the DARE programme has done the same for drugs and alcohol - particularly alcohol but this was the plan all along - in my opinion, of course.

We've been sold Luciferianism as 'progress' but it's anything but. It's a return to the Dark Ages/'beast state' which is just how satan likes us so he can completely control us as we can't control ourselves.

Coming up: new Tim Rifat mp3

[sukyspook]

On May 1, 1989, a "nice Jewish girl", age 29, appeared on the Oprah Show and said her family was part of a Satanic cult that dates back to the 1700's.

Although they appear to be upstanding citizens --lawyers, doctors, police officers etc.-- they engage in Satanic ritual human sacrifice, incest and cannibalism, often in synagogues. They drink blood and eat babies.

She is describing the Illuminati which originated in the Frankist Movement in the Eighteenth century. Jacob Frank, born Jacob Leibowitz (1726-1791) led a major Satanic heresy that shook the Jewish world. They believed that the Messiah would return if the world went over to evil completely, so they encouraged all sexual licence and Satanic Evil as the ultimate Good. Financed by the Frankist Rothschild banking syndicate, they subverted all religions and national elites by assuming every religious and political hue. They took over Freemasonry and are now in the final stage of establishing their world government a.k.a "globalization."

The abuse Polin suffered is a textbook example of how Illuminati families --Jews and non-Jews-- treat their children. George W. Bush and Barack Obama may have suffered similar trauma and, (like Polin,) have multiple personality disorder. Vicki is from Chicago and there is no telling how many Chicagoans surrounding Barack Obama are part of this Satanic cult.

THE OPRAH INTERVIEW

Polin told Oprah that she witnessed babies sacrificed and consumed for the "power" this gave. These babies are bred within the extended family for this purpose. She said she was raped several times, and elsewhere says she had five abortions due to intercourse with her father.

Polin said her family was "extremely involved" in these practices. Her mother is "on the human relations commission of the town that she lives in, and she's an upstanding citizen. Nobody would suspect her. Nobody would suspect anybody involved in it. There's police officers involved in it. There's, you know, doctors, lawyers..."

"I mean, to the outside world, everything we did was proper and right, and then there were the nights that things changed, that things just got turned around. What was wrong was right, and what was right was wrong. That's what helps to create some of them to develop MPD."

Polin's therapist, Tina Grossman was on the show but edited out of the YouTube. She told Oprah that she had treated over 40 survivors from many states and Canada. They have never met each other yet say the "identical same things."

Ms. GROSSMAN: They are describing identical rituals, just the same as, since I'm Jewish, you could go to New York or California and describe a seder in one state or another and, as a Jew, you would recognize it. This is the belief system in evil and the power that evil gives you, and so it has these certain rituals, so they are very similar with all of the survivors.

OPRAH: See, but I am very surprised because the Jewish faith is the Jewish faith. and worshipping the devil is not a part of the Jewish faith. I mean, Jewish people do not worship the devil.

Ms. GROSSMAN: But before there was Christ and before there was a system of one God, there was Paganism- and it still exists in the world, and in many cultures, you still find the belief that there is strength and power in the actual consumption of human flesh or animal flesh.

http://www.henrymakow.com/incest_survivor_lifted_veil_on.html


I think this is the video you're referring to Runciter - the quality isn't too good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds8y3cu8wpw&feature=channel_page

[runciter]

I feel a bit strange addressing 'Luciferhorus' lol but that's a great post. (IMO avatars definately affect how we perceive - and ultimately react to each other.....) - and no, I'm not a pig wearing a surgical mask lol.


introducing luciferhorus

Quite simply, the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity (polytheistic monotheism) is blasphemy and heresy.

The penalty for spreading this heresy is death and hell.

and this marvelous thread

Since we are still discussing the Nazi Holocaust on this forum, I think we should consider also the future holocaust of the Christians.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65487

[runciter]

I think this is the video you're referring to Runciter - the quality isn't too good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds8y3cu8wpw&feature=channel_page

i haven't seen the video, i've only read makow's article, and i think it's all true.

[sukyspook]

introducing luciferhorus



and this marvelous thread



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65487


....gulp.....that is a marvellous thread - thanks runciter, I vaguely remember having seen it some time ago...

I don't think I made my point very clear earlier when I posted:

"I guess what we perceive as 'Christian' in the so called 'Christian Nations' can be described as Luciferian....and the behaviour of those nations is abhorrant, no more so than the US and UK with their more recent sorties into the Middle East.

The predicament of humanity can be summed up on one Biblical passage:

2 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV)
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

ergo: so called "Christian" nations - IMO - are Luciferian.

If we're talking about a "coming Christian holocaust" (holocaust: burnt offering) I view that as fore-knowledge and as such we should take heed of what's planned for us - as if we didn't already know - it's been ongoing since Jesus overturned the tables of the Luciferian/Satanist 'moneylenders' in The Temple (sadly, they still control the money today). We should also take a note of those who are 'predicting' or 'announcing' such future events and who/what they are allied to.

The whole ongoing Luciferian/Satanic agenda is a giant 'cry wolf' campaign. It's always 'them' when all the time it was the ones pointing the finger.

Talking of Archons - here's a great mp3 from Jay Weidner with Jeff Rense - Jay pretty much sums up 'the agenda' too:

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3

Apologies if the link isn't working - there are a few hiccups with Rense mp3 links at the moment....I'll try again later if so.

Jay's 'Archons' are the Goetic 'demons' are Islam's 'Jinn' and imo probably David Icke's 'reppies'...then there's Peter Levenda, Leo Zagami etc etc and this morning Michael Cremo all talking about similar 'forces'. There are, of course, many, many more talking about this kind of thing but these are off the top of my head.

[kidsarocker]

There is a much bigger process occuring here at this time.

The Illuminati and all their mis-guided minions are in for a surprise. They will be caught off-guard at the worst possible time....they always are. :)

Rest assured, the buck does eventually stop with God, there is no getting around this.

The Illuminati are not exposing themselves, we are!

The light will shine on them and everything in creation and the everyone will see for themselves the the illusions and the truths.

These evil dumbf*cks have no idea what they are doing but even if they read this and believed it, it would make no difference to their ultimate demise.

They feel it creeping up on them, just like their tyranny has been slowly creeping up on this planet, they will all be exposed as the gutless greed-driven coachroaches they are and the remaining one's will run knowing full well they have absolutely no chance against us, God's light!

It may get ugly, it may get tough but the end result has already occurred, it's just a matter of "time".

Lucifer can do all it likes to no avail, for it is against creation in all its forms. So shall it become formless and disappear from our reality and all other realities in it's quest to create it's own disillusioned reality.

My message to all evil thought forms: YOU CANNOT DESTROY CREATION, FOR CREATION IS ALL THERE IS!!!

I don't agree with you there, the Illuminati do expose themselves to us, they put it in plain sight through the media especially Holywood - you just need to look and on some occasions a movie has two messages - the one where it is just a movie and the other which becomes obvious if you know what you are looking for and undersatnd how the illuminati work.

[kidsarocker]

Makes sense on the surface until you understand that the Christianity he is basing this on is in itself a sham. The whole ideas of Hell and Satan are human contrusts invented by men in the 14th century who were seeking beurocratic power and control. What better way to control the people than by turning their religion into a system of reward vs the ultimate punishment. It was the biggest psy-op operation in mankind's history. The very idea of worshipping a book as if it were God itself is so counter-intuitive to my basic instinct that I cannot fathom the level of brainwashing that has gone for so long.

Oh, there is a war between good and evil alright, but there is nothing supernatural about it. The problem isn't Satan or any other boogeyman we can use to blame our frailties on. The problem is human beings as a species are totally fucked up. We have been killing each other, raping, stealing, lying, cheating, and hurting each other since the dawn of homo sapiens, and even before when we were closer to chimps.

I don't think Satan is a human construct but I don't think Satan is what is depicted in the Bible - Satan is a jinn from another dimension that vibrates much lower than ours and his plan is to lower our dimensions vibration to theirs - why do you think there is no much negative in this world nowadays compared to 30 years ago - disrupted kids, rising crime, break up of the family unit, no respect or manners among neighbours - all come about from the brainwashing techniques of the Illuminati.

We are living in the times where evil has overtaken good where negative energy rules (see energy points and vortexes/stargates & 911 mega ritual/dimensional communication/jinn) over positive energy in order for the Dajjal (a reptilian shapeshifter) to take his kingdom in Jerusalem.

We are in for some hard times, and most of us will not survive. but to have a chance of survival you need to win one battle first and that is within - there is a war for you spirit and that is why you must overcome you addiction of materialistic possessions and worldly pleasures (what use is having all the possessions in the world when you can't take them with you when you die).

Those that will not survive will be the ones who disbelieve, fell for this materialistic world, so hopelessy dependent on the system, didn't see or read the signs which were given to us as warnings.

Win your sould back and i can tell you it is not going to be an easy path (can you live without that ipod, TV, brand new car? that McDonalds hamburger? leave those beauty/gossip mags on the shelf- are you really happy in your lives?), only then will your chakras will be in sync, only then will you be physically, mentally and spiritually prepared for what is to come.

Whether you believe in God or not, you are at a crossroads, it is down to you, do you carry on living a materialistic way of live that makes the system stronger and you weaker or start changing the way you live your life in readiness for what will come? Because this affects everybody and everyone one of us is involved - I can only show you the door....

[kidsarocker]

....gulp.....that is a marvellous thread - thanks runciter, I vaguely remember having seen it some time ago...

I don't think I made my point very clear earlier when I posted:

"I guess what we perceive as 'Christian' in the so called 'Christian Nations' can be described as Luciferian....and the behaviour of those nations is abhorrant, no more so than the US and UK with their more recent sorties into the Middle East.

The predicament of humanity can be summed up on one Biblical passage:

2 Corinthians 11:14 (KJV)
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

ergo: so called "Christian" nations - IMO - are Luciferian.

If we're talking about a "coming Christian holocaust" (holocaust: burnt offering) I view that as fore-knowledge and as such we should take heed of what's planned for us - as if we didn't already know - it's been ongoing since Jesus overturned the tables of the Luciferian/Satanist 'moneylenders' in The Temple (sadly, they still control the money today). We should also take a note of those who are 'predicting' or 'announcing' such future events and who/what they are allied to.

The whole ongoing Luciferian/Satanic agenda is a giant 'cry wolf' campaign. It's always 'them' when all the time it was the ones pointing the finger.

Talking of Archons - here's a great mp3 from Jay Weidner with Jeff Rense - Jay pretty much sums up 'the agenda' too:

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/http/MP3Download/Apr2009/8fq25w/rense_040809_hr2.mp3

Apologies if the link isn't working - there are a few hiccups with Rense mp3 links at the moment....I'll try again later if so.

Jay's 'Archons' are the Goetic 'demons' are Islam's 'Jinn' and imo probably David Icke's 'reppies'...then there's Peter Levenda, Leo Zagami etc etc and this morning Michael Cremo all talking about similar 'forces'. There are, of course, many, many more talking about this kind of thing but these are off the top of my head.

You're on the right path -may I suggest watching "the antichrist/dajjal will be a reptilian shapeshifter" it is very hard to find all the parts (over 400) as soem are deleted and others have the audio removed by youtube. But if you are struggling to get any parts contact me with youe email addy and I will gladly send you them.

[kidsarocker]

Hello dear, Suky!

Thanks for posting this, excellent!

I personally believe in a Creator, the source of all love so to speak. We are a divine creation sharing the very essence of the Creator and possibly we have the same potential as this source because we are all love. Those bloodlines that seek to control and harness love, the planet and its creatures, there is a major distortion in their vibration and essence that can be seriously damaging to the universe as a whole.

From my understanding, their actions on Earth and their plans for a revised Old World Order will come to a halt - this is a free will universe and when people realise they are free, which is happening now on a large and growing scale, the Luciferian agenda will inevitably fail as it is doing now.

They need to either accept the love and All That Is and become it rather than fight it or they will perish as they continue to dim themselves out. This is why they place symbols of the sun and various others around us so that we can subconciously create a false 'illuminated' status for them which is a very strong spell and it has worked but not for much longer.

Like Icke stated in his books, once you notice the things that are hidden from you (subliminals, addictives in food) they can no longer affect on you. To me people can reprogram themselves and I believe that its happening and its subtle but if you quiet yourself, you can see it and hear it. So dear Suky, you are right, there is a definitive spiritual experience taking place right now.

Most important, I feel we should eliminate the terms 'elite' and 'Illuminati' from our vocabulary when discussing these dark souls. I know I have termed them that myself but I will began to not use them anymore. Words are very powerful just have a read at Masaru Emoto's water books. They are not the sun, nor are they illuminated. Its quite the contrary, they are like the grey dark clouds that hide our sun.

In the end, I believe they do what they do and play their part so that we can realise our full potential so that they too, can learn from us and accept love and become it.

I'd like to believe you there but you miss one thing - there are only arou nd 2% of the world's population who are atheist. This NWO will come and I'm going to tell you why. - Jesus - who is the messiah in the eyes of Christianity and Islam

Now why is the Anti-Christ/al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl (the false Messiah) called such? Because he will claim to be the Messiah and where will he rule from? Jerusalem/Zion (that is why the Iluminati established the artificial state of Israel). He will perform many miracles to persuade the believers that he is the messiah and believers will worship him just as they do Jesus.

Now I can here you say but wouldn't they know this because they read the Bible? Here is where the Illuminati work on your minds to have a image of Christ implanted into their minds. (Do you know that al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl will be one eyed- now do you get the all seeing eye - true believers will be persecuted by this system because they will refuse to bow down to Dajjal because God is not one eyed. Many people see this symbol as god because they mistakenly connect the all seeing God with the all seeing eye and they will be the first to fall for the Dajjal claims of divinity.) - you can also see in movie posters of the one eye where they show an actors face but maybe just one side etc. Read and understand the signs, the way of the Illuminati and you will see it in plain sight in hollywood.

Have you ever seen the movie - The passion of the Christ? just before his crucifiction he as one closed eye - this is to make those believe that this injury was the result of what happened before he was crucified.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PjzzUm-yOIM/SIJZHkGoH1I/AAAAAAAABVM/ZrpxAdLl40o/s320/one+eyes.bmp

[sukyspook]

You're on the right path -may I suggest watching "the antichrist/dajjal will be a reptilian shapeshifter" it is very hard to find all the parts (over 400) as soem are deleted and others have the audio removed by youtube. But if you are struggling to get any parts contact me with youe email addy and I will gladly send you them.

Thanks for the offer of the 'Dajjal' series - one of my all time faves in 485 parts I think it is - I mentioned the series earlier in the thread as it contains many truths of our predicament. I also posted a link to a lecture by Imran Hosein about Dajjal/Antichrist which is another of my all time faves. I love that man - he knows his geo-politics/history/mythology alright!

I'm still waiting for the arrival of the entire series of A/C Dajjal which I bought as I want a 'hard copy' and it was fast being taken down from youtube.

Have you watched 'The Arrivals'?? Another great series from the 'Antichrist/Dajjal' boys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le_ySMrOkFU&feature=PlayList&p=CB704045F6979F23&index=0

Suke

[sukyspook]

I'd like to believe you there but you miss one thing - there are only arou nd 2% of the world's population who are atheist. This NWO will come and I'm going to tell you why. - Jesus - who is the messiah in the eyes of Christianity and Islam

Now why is the Anti-Christ/al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl (the false Messiah) called such? Because he will claim to be the Messiah and where will he rule from? Jerusalem/Zion (that is why the Iluminati established the artificial state of Israel). He will perform many miracles to persuade the believers that he is the messiah and believers will worship him just as they do Jesus.

Now I can here you say but wouldn't they know this because they read the Bible? Here is where the Illuminati work on your minds to have a image of Christ implanted into their minds. (Do you know that al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl will be one eyed- now do you get the all seeing eye - true believers will be persecuted by this system because they will refuse to bow down to Dajjal because God is not one eyed. Many people see this symbol as god because they mistakenly connect the all seeing God with the all seeing eye and they will be the first to fall for the Dajjal claims of divinity.) - you can also see in movie posters of the one eye where they show an actors face but maybe just one side etc. Read and understand the signs, the way of the Illuminati and you will see it in plain sight in hollywood.

Have you ever seen the movie - The passion of the Christ? just before his crucifiction he as one closed eye - this is to make those believe that this injury was the result of what happened before he was crucified.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PjzzUm-yOIM/SIJZHkGoH1I/AAAAAAAABVM/ZrpxAdLl40o/s320/one+eyes.bmp

Absolutely right Kidsarocker - funnily enough, I just gave a plumber a $1 bill to show him that the 'agenda' of the 'one eye Dajjal/Antichrist'/Luciferian mindset is all over the 'greenback'!!

[kidsarocker]

So if good ol' Henry Makow had his way, we would be living in a nice, orderly, Norman Rockwell world where children eat their greens, women stay in the kitchen and men never have flings with their neighbor's wives?

Hmmm...

But then poor gays would have to be hunted down like animals are "re-educated" into proper "Christian" values.

Fuck that.

I see where you are coming from but since we have had more freedom hasn't this worls become mad with Do as thou wilt - There doesn't seem to be much repect or responsbility these days than say 30 years ago -We need fear, we need to discipline to keep us in line

[kidsarocker]

But fear is an illusion, a self created emotion. Love is not the same thing, it is far more than the emotion. Fear comes and goes while love is forever. I don't see the connection.

Fear manifests in the lack of understanding, so perhaps knowledge could be the opposite of fear?

So the fear of someone coming at with a gun is an illusion too. You have moved from one religion to that of David Icke

[kidsarocker]

Me too ex sheep - it's all VERY refreshing and so, so interesting!! It gives me the 'truth shivers' if you know what I mean, to know that others really do 'get it' and want a better world for us all.

I believe we really DO create reality collectively - we have to stop creating the one 'they' are continually programming us to manifest....ie swine flu 'fear' and the like...

Suke

You really believe that we are all Gods - you have just fallen into another of their traps - that we are Gods. There is only one true God and may Allah be mercify to you

Why do you think they attack or assassinate people who spread peace and Love through God/Allah such as Malcolm X, and yet David Icke is still alive? because he never touches on the whole truth. He is still alive because he is working with their agenda to seprate us from God and that we are all Gods.

If we create our reality collectively and most of us just want peace then why is this reality in the mess that it is? Yes I know you're going to say Fear, most of you say that fear is just an illusion and love is all there is, then how can an illusion beat love? Ask yourselves that