The Dangers of Vaccines...

[thirdwave]

Ok

So I don't trust them... I don't trust how they seem to be so populer around these curious times...

How about a thread (If I have not missed one) for people to air their oncernes and research?..

I am aware that a good few have had negative side effects that have lead to death and so on...

is there an over all problem with them..and so on?

I personaly am worried they are an atmept to weaken the immune system and to leave people very needy of medecine... and there for should that be cut, they will be suseptable to death.

I have not taken one and have advised people against it, though I am met with people telling me I should not interfear as people could die as a result...

I simpley say well trust the government then.

[burnttoast]

I am met with people telling me I should not interfear as people could die as a result...

And they can prove this how exactly?...simple....they can't because it's pure regurgitated MSM propaganda....Most people are dead from the neck up.

[mephibosheth]

My naturopath asked me, 'do you ever get flu shots?' and I said 'No', and he replied, 'Good. Don't.'

He mentioned the obscene levels of mercury in vacinations that has been on the rise since 1976. Mercury collects in the brain, with quite detrimental effects. This rise of autism is associated with the rise of mercury levels in vacinations. It's poison, pure and simple, and certainly not the elixir of life, as the alchemists once thought.

8)

[motleyhoo]

You only have to look at who makes the vaccines and who profits. It's the same corporations that make pharmaceuticals, some of which have killed tens of thousands of people with impunity. If the govt agencies tasked with making sure their products are safe can't even do that, then how in the hell are they gonna control the safety of vaccines.

These same corporations have managed to infiltrate every sector of the system that was originally designed to regulate them for our safety. They've become financial constituents of the politicians, major adverstising revenue for media of every type, and the heads of every other corporation, bank, fund, etc. is invested in them. They even control the grant money that funds our medical schools.

The swine flu/vaccination hoax is nothing but a symptom of the corporate fascism that has taken over our societies. That by itself, without the NWO, the defeatists, the population controllers, the Bildebergers, the Banksters, is already deadly enough to our well-being.

[thirdwave]

well its a fucker when you are faced with a people who have been taking them for a while and you got to tell them they been fucking them selves up... they would rather you told them they are A OK! :eek:

I worry that it is a way of making people weaker and eventually putting out stronger strains.. then when not everyone can have or afford a jab... its lights out.

[thirdwave]

And they can prove this how exactly?...simple....they can't because it's pure regurgitated MSM propaganda....Most people are dead from the neck up.

im told... what if someone does not take it and dies.... im like... ahh ok, go and take the jab then! ... i mean people just don't want to think...

[beldazar]

theres a guy on you-tube who thinks Tamiflu and vaccines are a good idea. For some reason my comments arent showing.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sMSokcnJRU

anyone else want a try?

[motleyhoo]

well its a fucker when you are faced with a people who have been taking them for a while and you got to tell them they been fucking them selves up... they would rather you told them they are A OK! :eek:

I worry that it is a way of making people weaker and eventually putting out stronger strains.. then when not everyone can have or afford a jab... its lights out.

No, a fucker is knowing that you've had way more vaccinations than most people, thanks to the US Navy. I cannot tell you how many jabs I've had because after a while I stopped counting. And, knowing what I know now (I was a naive youngster gungho to take on the enemy back then), I can only imagine what was really in some of those vials. :eek:

[trinity v]

And they can prove this how exactly?

Know anyone with Small Pox?

This rise of autism is associated with the rise of mercury levels in vacinations.

Sorry, but thats just bad science. Does that theory take into account the fact that the medical proffession is now more capable of identifying autism? The better we become at identifying it, the more cases we find. On a par with your supposition I could just as easily claim autism is caused by computers. There are far more computers around today, and far more children with autism, ergo computers cause autism.

Yes mercury is bad, and sufficient quantities will cause health problems, but using bad stats to scaremonger doesn't do anyone any good.

[beldazar]

Know anyone with Small Pox?

Have you watched this video Trinity V?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6531447125053615129

Strange first post........

[trinity v]

Whats strange about it?

The allegation is that vaccines don't work, and that there is no proof that they do. If that is the case did God hoover up Small Pox for us, because it sure as hell went somewhere?

Failing that, how about TB? Killed thousands every year in the UK alone, how many die now by comparison?

[motleyhoo]

Whats strange about it?

The allegation is that vaccines don't work, and that there is no proof that they do. If that is the case did God hoover up Small Pox for us, because it sure as hell went somewhere?

Failing that, how about TB? Killed thousands every year in the UK alone, how many die now by comparison?

Not saying it's the case in those particular instances, but viruses have a way of burning themselves out as populations develop immunity or the viruses themselves mutate and become less virilent. It's not unlike spraying pesticides on your garden. Eventually the bugs will become immune. It doesn't mean you stopped spraying.

As for Autism, there is nothing scientific at all to do with Doctors being able to identify it. It's nothing more than a questionaire, and the parents of the children don't need a Doctor to tell them there's something wrong. When they can tell us why autism is increasing per capita and what's causing it, then we can discuss scientific advancements. Most of us already have a good idea, but the corporate owned establishment, including the medical community, is covering it up.

[beldazar]

Trinity. go ahead and get yourself vaccinated then just dont advise anyone else to...

To give you the benefit of the doubt, have you checked this thread out?


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10663

[beldazar]

Ive just read this on BBC news 24,

All this is to push vaccines

I think Im going to throw up :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8026564.stm

How the UK is trying to contain flu

By Nick Triggle
Health reporter, BBC News



A flu pandemic is imminent, experts say
World experts may be saying a flu pandemic is imminent, but on the ground health protection officials in the UK are still battling to stop its spread.

The approach is simple - isolate the virus and kill it before it spreads.

Health Secretary Alan Johnson has called it the "containment stage" - and it is the method that is being adopted in other countries that are seeing swine flu cases.

It basically involves putting a ring around any outbreak and trying to zap it quickly.

In practice, this means when a person is infected they are isolated, as are all the people they came into contact with.

Anti-virals are then given en masse - even to those who are not displaying symptoms - in a bid to ensure it does not spread further.

Experts call this using drugs prophylactically, which basically means using them to prevent the disease developing.

There is sketchy evidence that this actually works, but at worst the drugs will at least lessen the symptoms and shorten the illness if someone does develop flu.

Tactic

This is the tactic that was taken in Devon when a 12-year-old girl was diagnosed on Wednesday.

She had come in to contact with 50 fellow pupils but the decision was taken to give all 230 pupils in her year anti-virals.

The school has now been closed and local health officials are monitoring developments.

A similar approach was taken for the Scottish couple and the people they had come into contact with. So far none of their friends and relatives have developed the flu.

But there is no guarantee this will work. The World Health Organization has already declared phase five has been reached - one step away from a pandemic.

This means that sustained human-to-human transmission is being seen within two countries - Mexico and the US.


To put things in proportion, in any flu, even the seasonal flu, there are some deaths, often of elderly people and the very frail

Sir Liam Donaldson, chief medical officer
In the UK, all the cases that have been confirmed were in people who have been to Mexico.

Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson admits if the UK were to see onward transmission to people who have not visited the affected areas it would suggest "an escalation of the problem".

He said this would also mark a change in the approach with the anti-virals saved for only those showing symptoms of the flu.

The problem the UK is facing in an era of global travel is that, even if its approach works initially, flu defences are only as strong as their weakest link.


WHO PANDEMIC ALERT PHASES

Phase 1: No infections in humans are being caused by viruses circulating in animals.

Phase 2: Animal flu virus causes infection in humans, and is a potential pandemic threat.

Phase 3: Flu causes sporadic cases in people, but no significant human-to-human transmission.

Phase 4: Human-to-human transmission and community-level outbreaks.

Phase 5: Human-to-human transmission in at least two countries. Strong signal pandemic imminent.

Phase 6: Virus spreads to another country in a different region. Global pandemic under way.

Post-peak: Pandemic activity appears to be decreasing though second wave possible.
Post-pandemic: activity returns to normal, seasonal flu levels.
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Sandra Mounier-Jack, an infectious diseases expert from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said: "Once it starts to spread it is hard to contain.

"The UK has good plans in place but not every country does, so that means even if we slow the spread at this stage, if it gets a foothold elsewhere it gets harder to stop."

It means that while the UK is trying to contain the flu, plans are being put in place for a full-blown epidemic.

Ministers have already discussed restricting travel and public gatherings at their Cobra emergency meetings.

Campaign

Extra anti-virals and masks have been ordered and a TV, radio and newspaper information advertising campaign started on Thursday.

This will be followed by leaflets which will be delivered to every home in the country next week.

But despite the developments of the last week, experts are still relatively upbeat because of the nature of the flu.

Outside of Mexico it seems to be a relatively mild virus with only one person - a Mexican toddler who had travelled to the US - dying from it.

Sir Liam admitted the flu strain could still mutate into something more deadly.

But he added at the moment most people who get it "will make a good recovery".

"It's a nasty illness, but it's short and they will recover.

"To put things in proportion, in any flu, even the seasonal flu, there are some deaths, often of elderly people and the very frail.

"What we will see is many more cases, but on the whole most people make a good recovery from flu."



If thre is an outbreak in my childrens school and they try to .....Im far too angry to talk about it any more!!

Obviously their MMR and regular flu vaccine push didnt do enough :mad:

[beldazar]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8024240.stm

The quest for a swine flu vaccine

By Clare Murphy
BBC News health reporter


Vials containing samples of the swine flu virus are making their way from the US to a government laboratory north of London. The race for a vaccine is on.



Manufacturers are currently working on the seasonal flu vaccine
It is a global endeavour and will bring the public and the private together, but it could still take several months before a safe and effective jab is available.

Yet amid all this activity, the answer could in fact be right under our noses.

Tests are being carried out to establish whether the current seasonal flu vaccine could provide cross protection against what we are seeing at the moment, as there are similarities between the H1N1 human flu viruses and the new H1N1 swine flu.

If that were the case - and it's certainly not impossible - we would in the words of one virologist be "home and dry".

Been there before

Even if this does not confer protection, the picture does not appear to be a bleak one.

The spread of bird flu amongst humans several years ago sparked fears that a pandemic was imminent. Plans were developed, expertise harnessed and facilities built for mass production.


If this had happened six years ago we would really be in a fix - we are in a better position than we have ever been in the history of this planet to combat this

Professor John Oxford
Barts and the London School of Medicine
The vaccine industry has started to attract new investment and government subsidies after years of being a pharmaceutical backwater.

"It was a fantastic dry run," says Professor John Oxford of Barts and the London School of Medicine.

"If this had happened six years ago we would really be in a fix - we are in a better position than we have ever been in the history of this planet to combat this."

The World Health Organisation says it is already in touch with vaccine manufacturers - although is not at this stage putting in orders - but initial work is already underway in national laboratories.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which is looking at the molecular properties of the virus and why it appears to have been more virulent in Mexico is hoping to have produced a "reference strain" to send to vaccine manufacturers around the second week of May.

The same process will take place in the UK, once the Health Protection Agency (HPA) receives samples of the virus at its laboratories in Potters Bar.

"We will take this virus apart and reassemble it with two genes from the swine virus and the genetic information code for a laboratory virus called PR8 which grows very well in hens' eggs and is safe for human infection," said Dr John Wood, from the HPA's National Institute of Biological Standards and Control.

"When we have recreated this new hybrid virus this will be grown in cells and hens' eggs ready to distribute to vaccine manufacturers."

This, he said, should be done within three to four weeks.

Kill not cure

But it may be at least four to five months before a vaccine is ready.


Clearly, if you make a swine flu vaccine and the pandemic doesn't actually occur, we could end up with no seasonal flu vaccine

Chris Viehbacher
Sanofi-Aventis
Safety is - unsurprisingly - paramount, as vaccines can often be worse than the disease they are trying to combat.

An outbreak of swine flu in 1976 infected 200 people in the US. Only one of them died, but a vaccine administered to 40m people killed 25 and led to 500 others developing Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can be fatal.

For those countries now entering the summer months with the flu season behind them, a delay in vaccine is not a real cause for concern. But in the southern hemisphere where countries are entering their winter months the picture would be different if the outbreak were to worsen.

One way of administering the vaccine could be by adding a swine flu component to the seasonal flu jab given out in the autumn.

But while production facilities are much more extensive than they once were, it could still take several years to produce enough swine vaccine to match global demand if the virus continues to spread and becomes more virulent.

And in the rush to combat swine flu - from which there have been fewer than 10 confirmed deaths - manufacturers still have to keep their eye on producing an effective vaccine for seasonal flu as they do every year.

In the US alone there are an estimated 25-50 million cases reported each year. These result in 150,000 hospitalisations and 30,000 to 40,000 deaths. Worldwide there may be as many as half a million deaths each year.

"Clearly, if you make a swine flu vaccine and the pandemic doesn't actually occur, we could end up with no seasonal flu vaccine," warned Chris Viehbacher, chief executive officer of Sanofi-Aventis.

In any event, swine flu appears to be responding well to anti-viral treatments like Tamiflu and Relenza. These drugs do not attack the virus itself but an enzyme that allows it to spread within the body. Taken promptly, they can reduce the severity and length of the illness.

But production of sufficient quantities - were they needed - could again be problematic, although pharmaceutical giants GlaxoSmithKline Plc and Roche Holding AG have both said they are stepping up production.



If anyone cant see through all of this by now.........:mad:

[icemanrip]

Whats strange about it?

The allegation is that vaccines don't work, and that there is no proof that they do. If that is the case did God hoover up Small Pox for us, because it sure as hell went somewhere?

Failing that, how about TB? Killed thousands every year in the UK alone, how many die now by comparison?

Natural Remedy's are fine look at penicillin, you can grow it on soggy bread. But these big pharma companys Take the BISCUIT. And as for God hoovering up SmallPox CRAP, it just died down when it had nowhere to breed. But it Still Exists in Military Labs. And don't tell me that the Military don't use these things on there own people for whatever purpose is nessecessry. Don't mess with what is Natural. Man is trying to play God too much these days and that just kills people.

[trinity v]

Natural Remedy's are fine look at penicillin, you can grow it on soggy bread. But these big pharma companys Take the BISCUIT. And as for God hoovering up SmallPox CRAP, it just died down when it had nowhere to breed. But it Still Exists in Military Labs. And don't tell me that the Military don't use these things on there own people for whatever purpose is nessecessry. Don't mess with what is Natural. Man is trying to play God too much these days and that just kills people.

:rolleyes: I wasn't seriously suggesting God did hoover it up. I think the massive vacination program had something to do with it.

[beldazar]

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is all Im saying! :mad:

[icemanrip]

:rolleyes: I wasn't seriously suggesting God did hoover it up. I think the massive vacination program had something to do with it.

And you think I am Thick enough to think God got out a Dyson and Hoovered the little spores up. LMAO. I know what you meant ;)

[beldazar]

http://www.naturalnews.com/026169.html

Thirty-Six Thousand People Do Not Die Each Year from "Regular Flu" (Confirmed)
Thursday, April 30, 2009 by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
Key concepts: Swine flu, CDC and Influenza


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(NaturalNews) Read just about any news report on swine flu deaths, and you'll come across a line that claims "36,000 people die each year from flu-related causes." It sounds authoritative. It's even a nice, round number. But where is this number coming from? And is it based on any actual science?

This statistic is being paraded around by almost everybody, as if to say that swine flu isn't so bad because regular flu kills so many people each year anyway. The truth is that the only standard by which the CDC and WHO are quoting deaths from swine flu is if they are confirmed deaths from a particular viral strain. To them, if a death has not been confirmed in their labs, it does not count as a death from that flu.

Got that? Only "confirmed" deaths count. And they must be confirmed in a laboratory using a rigorous method of comparing samples taken from the deceased with a known database of viral patterns.

As it turns out, virtually none of the 36,000 people said to die from regular flu each year have been confirmed in any lab whatsoever.

Thus, according to the guidelines of the CDC and WHO, they don't count. Based on their own rules, it is technically accurate to say that regular flu kills virtually no one. It's not true, of course, because people do die from the "regular flu" each year, but it is technically accurate according to the CDC and WHO rules for scientific evidence.

Again, that's because nearly all of these "regular flu" deaths aren't confirmed by a CDC or WHO-recognized lab. Thus, they have no scientific standing.



Infectious disease double standard
I find it interesting that when talking about swine flu, the criteria for inclusion in statistics is positive identification in a rigorous laboratory. But when talking about regular flu, the criteria for inclusion is -- technically speaking -- anybody's wild guess.

The 36,000 number, it turns out, was pulled out of thin air. It has no scientific validity whatsoever, even according to the CDC's own standards.

I tracked down the origins of this number on CDC.gov, by the way. Turns out it was an estimate derived by the CDC in 2003 (http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pres...).

It's an estimate, mind you, not a "confirmed" number of deaths. And that estimate has stayed exactly the same through 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009. Not a budge. Before the number was 36,000, it was 20,000 for many years. That tells you right off the bat this isn't some confirmed laboratory number -- it's a guesstimate!

I'm not disagreeing with the number. It's probably a fairly accurate guess (the CDC folks are a smart bunch). But it doesn't meet the criteria by which these infectious disease organizations report influenza deaths.

As the CDC even says on their own website, "This estimate came from a 2003 study published in the Journal of the American Medication Association (JAMA), which looked at the 1990-91 through the 1998-99 flu seasons [10]. Statistical modeling was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. During these years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000."

In other words, they took a look at how many people died from respiratory or circulatory disease, and from that they extrapolated "flu-related deaths."

*******************
Another piece of info regarding the scare stories to get you to go for the vaccination! :mad:

Are you getting this Trinity V or is your reason for being here highly suspicious? :mad:

[kweli]

:rolleyes: I wasn't seriously suggesting God did hoover it up. I think the massive vacination program had something to do with it.

So you're in favour of mass vaccination programmes? Have you done any research on the damage caused by vaccinations?

[celtic isis]

Ok

So I don't trust them... I don't trust how they seem to be so populer around these curious times...

How about a thread (If I have not missed one) for people to air their oncernes and research?..

I am aware that a good few have had negative side effects that have lead to death and so on...

is there an over all problem with them..and so on?

I personaly am worried they are an atmept to weaken the immune system and to leave people very needy of medecine... and there for should that be cut, they will be suseptable to death.

I have not taken one and have advised people against it, though I am met with people telling me I should not interfear as people could die as a result...

I simpley say well trust the government then.

well done dude for starting this thread :) i'm all pooped out from ranting with you you know where so forgive me if i don't comment for now lol :)

lol and i saw that (in bold) reading today!

they always have the comeback don't they...self righteous furry feckers!

[thirdwave]

No, a fucker is knowing that you've had way more vaccinations than most people, thanks to the US Navy. I cannot tell you how many jabs I've had because after a while I stopped counting. And, knowing what I know now (I was a naive youngster gungho to take on the enemy back then), I can only imagine what was really in some of those vials. :eek:

well at least you know now mate and I guess you can only look into ways of taking care of your system useing natural minerals and health sublimates.. there are some decent ones out there... MMS is meant to be pretty good. http://www.i-amperfectlyhealthy.com/MiracleMineralSolution.html

[thirdwave]

http://www.naturalnews.com/026169.html

Thirty-Six Thousand People Do Not Die Each Year from "Regular Flu" (Confirmed)
Thursday, April 30, 2009 by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
Key concepts: Swine flu, CDC and Influenza


Email this article to a friend Printable Version FREE Email Newsletter

Articles Related to This Article:
• Florida Hospital Caught in Swine Flu Cover-Up?

• As Swine Flu Spreads, Conspiracy Theories of Laboratory Origins Abound

• Swine Flu Spreads to New York, Canada, Ohio as U.S. Travel Remains Unrestricted





Sign the Health Revolution Petition
Join the call for genuine health freedom in America. End FDA tyranny and Big Pharma corruption. Watch the video and sign the petition here.

(NaturalNews) Read just about any news report on swine flu deaths, and you'll come across a line that claims "36,000 people die each year from flu-related causes." It sounds authoritative. It's even a nice, round number. But where is this number coming from? And is it based on any actual science?

This statistic is being paraded around by almost everybody, as if to say that swine flu isn't so bad because regular flu kills so many people each year anyway. The truth is that the only standard by which the CDC and WHO are quoting deaths from swine flu is if they are confirmed deaths from a particular viral strain. To them, if a death has not been confirmed in their labs, it does not count as a death from that flu.

Got that? Only "confirmed" deaths count. And they must be confirmed in a laboratory using a rigorous method of comparing samples taken from the deceased with a known database of viral patterns.

As it turns out, virtually none of the 36,000 people said to die from regular flu each year have been confirmed in any lab whatsoever.

Thus, according to the guidelines of the CDC and WHO, they don't count. Based on their own rules, it is technically accurate to say that regular flu kills virtually no one. It's not true, of course, because people do die from the "regular flu" each year, but it is technically accurate according to the CDC and WHO rules for scientific evidence.

Again, that's because nearly all of these "regular flu" deaths aren't confirmed by a CDC or WHO-recognized lab. Thus, they have no scientific standing.



Infectious disease double standard
I find it interesting that when talking about swine flu, the criteria for inclusion in statistics is positive identification in a rigorous laboratory. But when talking about regular flu, the criteria for inclusion is -- technically speaking -- anybody's wild guess.

The 36,000 number, it turns out, was pulled out of thin air. It has no scientific validity whatsoever, even according to the CDC's own standards.

I tracked down the origins of this number on CDC.gov, by the way. Turns out it was an estimate derived by the CDC in 2003 (http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pres...).

It's an estimate, mind you, not a "confirmed" number of deaths. And that estimate has stayed exactly the same through 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009. Not a budge. Before the number was 36,000, it was 20,000 for many years. That tells you right off the bat this isn't some confirmed laboratory number -- it's a guesstimate!

I'm not disagreeing with the number. It's probably a fairly accurate guess (the CDC folks are a smart bunch). But it doesn't meet the criteria by which these infectious disease organizations report influenza deaths.

As the CDC even says on their own website, "This estimate came from a 2003 study published in the Journal of the American Medication Association (JAMA), which looked at the 1990-91 through the 1998-99 flu seasons [10]. Statistical modeling was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. During these years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000."

In other words, they took a look at how many people died from respiratory or circulatory disease, and from that they extrapolated "flu-related deaths."

*******************
Another piece of info regarding the scare stories to get you to go for the vaccination! :mad:

Are you getting this Trinity V or is your reason for being here highly suspicious? :mad:

thanks for that, interesting stuff... they are so full of shit..

[thirdwave]

well done dude for starting this thread :) i'm all pooped out from ranting with you you know where so forgive me if i don't comment for now lol :)

lol and i saw that (in bold) reading today!

they always have the comeback don't they...self righteous furry feckers!

:)... its that same old word that allways kicks thing up in the air.... FEAR!

[juttkeys]

well im kinda confused my 7 year old daughter is long over due her (booster?) MMR jabs again, originally we had them seperately which cost a fortune at the time and we had to take her to a hospital miles away for them, Im wondering if we should even have them done at all again?? Im pretty much against her having them again but whats right/best any advice?

[kingmonkey]

It's not really the vaccines that are the problem; it's the fucking scumbag marketeers who's taken over the production. What we need to do is start kicking against them and get some independent minds overseeing the science.

Vaccines have worked miracles in the past, but the business aspect of the pharma co's have stepped all over a good thing. Like every other aspect of life, money has taken over integrity; It's market forces before decency.

[mephibosheth]

Sorry, but thats just bad science. Does that theory take into account the fact that the medical proffession is now more capable of identifying autism? The better we become at identifying it, the more cases we find. On a par with your supposition I could just as easily claim autism is caused by computers. There are far more computers around today, and far more children with autism, ergo computers cause autism.

Yes mercury is bad, and sufficient quantities will cause health problems, but using bad stats to scaremonger doesn't do anyone any good.




There's simply no denying the massive amounts of mercury that have been added to vaccines or its harmful effects. The common flu shot has mercury in the order of 50,000 ppm, whereas in contrast, toxic waste is considered toxic at only 200 ppm. Even where mercury is no longer used, what sorts of toxic chemicals have they put in its place?




http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/July2001/AutismUniqueMercPoison.htm

Autism is a syndrome characterized by impairments in social relatedness, language and communication, a need for routine and sameness, abnormal movements, and sensory dysfunction. Mercury (Hg) is a toxic metal that can exist as a pure element or in a variety of inorganic and organic forms and can cause immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions similar to traits defining or associated with autism. Thimerosal, a preservative frequently added to childhood vaccines, has become a major source of Hg in human infants and toddlers. According to the FDA and the American Academy of Pediatricians, fully vaccinated children now receive, within their first two years, Hg levels that exceed safety limits established by the FDA and other supervisory agencies. A thorough review of medical literature and U.S. government data indicates (i) that many and perhaps most cases of idiopathic autism, in which an extended period of developmental normalcy is followed by an emergence of symptoms, are induced by early exposure to Hg; (ii) that this type of autism represents a unique form of Hg poisoning (HgP); (iii) that excessive Hg exposure from thimerosal in vaccine injections is an etiological mechanism for causing the traits of autism; (iv) that certain genetic and non-genetic factors establish a predisposition whereby thimerosal's adverse effects occur only in some children; and (v) that vaccinal Hg in thimerosal is causing a heretofore unrecognized mercurial syndrome.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646

Discussion with David Ayoub, MD


http://www.naturalnews.com/022955.html

Celebrities lead the way challenging the use of vaccinations




http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/

In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Georgia.
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But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line. "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared that "perhaps this study should not have been done at all." He added that "the research results have to be handled," warning that the study "will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group."

In fact, the government has proved to be far more adept at handling the damage than at protecting children's health. The CDC paid the Institute of Medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to "rule out" the chemical's link to autism. It withheld Verstraeten's findings, even though they had been slated for immediate publication, and told other scientists that his original data had been "lost" and could not be replicated. And to thwart the Freedom of Information Act, it handed its giant database of vaccine records over to a private company, declaring it off-limits to researchers. By the time Verstraeten finally published his study in 2003, he had gone to work for GlaxoSmithKline and reworked his data to bury the link between thimerosal and autism.

Vaccine manufacturers had already begun to phase thimerosal out of injections given to American infants -- but they continued to sell off their mercury-based supplies of vaccines until last year. The CDC and FDA gave them a hand, buying up the tainted vaccines for export to developing countries and allowing drug companies to continue using the preservative in some American vaccines -- including several pediatric flu shots as well as tetanus boosters routinely given to eleven-year-olds.

The drug companies are also getting help from powerful lawmakers in Washington. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $873,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, has been working to immunize vaccine makers from liability in 4,200 lawsuits that have been filed by the parents of injured children. On five separate occasions, Frist has tried to seal all of the government's vaccine-related documents -- including the Simpsonwood transcripts -- and shield Eli Lilly, the developer of thimerosal, from subpoenas. In 2002, the day after Frist quietly slipped a rider known as the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" into a homeland security bill, the company contributed $10,000 to his campaign and bought 5,000 copies of his book on bioterrorism. The measure was repealed by Congress in 2003 -- but earlier this year, Frist slipped another provision into an anti-terrorism bill that would deny compensation to children suffering from vaccine-related brain disorders. "The lawsuits are of such magnitude that they could put vaccine producers out of business and limit our capacity to deal with a biological attack by terrorists," says Dean Rosen, health policy adviser to Frist.

Even many conservatives are shocked by the government's effort to cover up the dangers of thimerosal. Rep. Dan Burton, a Republican from Indiana, oversaw a three-year investigation of thimerosal after his grandson was diagnosed with autism. "Thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines is directly related to the autism epidemic," his House Government Reform Committee concluded in its final report. "This epidemic in all probability may have been prevented or curtailed had the FDA not been asleep at the switch regarding a lack of safety data regarding injected thimerosal, a known neurotoxin." The FDA and other public-health agencies failed to act, the committee added, out of "institutional malfeasance for self protection" and "misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry."





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYISvsgq6s

Listen to what he says about the connection of vaccinations to Gulf War Syndrome.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImCpWzXJ_w&feature=related

On the dangers of mercury poisoning



http://www.naturalnews.com/022479.html

Questioning the objectivity of the study that 'disproves' the link between mercury in vaccines and autism.


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[beldazar]

Another article about vaccinations...no they are NOT a good idea Kingmonkey, never were and never will be!

http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=118&Itemid=31

Pandemic Nonsense: Flying Pig Flu
By Patrick Wood and Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD
April 28, 2009

Are globalist fear-mongers driving the media to panic the public into universal healthcare solutions? Or federally-mandated vaccinations?

By definition, a "pandemic" is an epidemic that is geographically widespread. Fear-mongers are always careful to add the innuendo that millions of people could and probably will die, as in the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 that killed between 20 and 100 million people worldwide.

Excuse me, but how does the death of even a few hundred equate to 20 million?

Mexico, not the usual Southeast Asia, is the origin of the latest flu outbreak. It has spread in limited numbers to several continents. Almost all of the deaths, limited as they are, are in Mexico. The ratio of deaths to infections is very small.

Again, how does this outbreak even remotely qualify as a pandemic? Answer: It does not!

Scientists and virus researchers are baffled because the genetic makeup of the virus contains elements of human, swine and bird flu from three geographic regions: North America, Europe and Asia. Until now, this has been unknown in nature, but not theoretically impossible. (see New flu combines pig, bird, human virus and Mexico Seeks to Stop Spread of Deadly Flu)


Because of its unique genetic makeup, this writer proposes calling it the "flying pig flu", or FPF, instead.

This writer is hardly qualified to write with authority about the scientific side of viruses. However, after reading several authoritative papers on swine and avian flu, several observations can be made.

In the world of virus experts, there are two types of researchers: Observers and Experimenters.

Observers
Most researchers are highly trained scientific observers. These "Sherlock Holmes" scientists examine the pathology of virus development. Where did it originate? What animals or human were involved? Did the infected humans handle animals? Are certain strains limited to geography? You get the idea.

Without good observers, we would know little about the source or spread of different viral strains.

There are several good Internet resources where the findings of research observers are published. (For instance, see H5N1 - Ultimate News on mutation)

We should be thankful for astute observers who can untangle mysteries that would otherwise not be understood.

Experimenters
A minority of researchers are experimenters. This group is worrisome.

Experimenters establish their playground in trying to create different types of viruses in order to measure their effect on test animals.

Such was the case at Baxter AG, when such an experiment was "accidentally" released as a live virus in a vaccine distributed to 18 countries. (See Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus). In this case, the live H5N1 virus (avian flu) was combined with the much more contagious (human) H3N2 virus.

Experts say that it is almost impossible for Baxter to make such a grievous error by accident. Czech newspapers, where the story was originally broken, suggest it was a rogue employee or a mole that purposely mixed the virus' together, but nothing has been proven as yet. Baxter is now under great suspicion that it is attempting to foment a pandemic that would bring hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue to supply its normal H5N1 vaccine.

Another example is the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia. In a 2004 report, CDC to mix avian, human flu viruses in pandemic study, it was noted that,

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will soon launch experiments designed to combine the H5N1 virus and human flu viruses and then see how the resulting hybrids affect animals. The goal is to assess the chances that such a "reassortant" virus will emerge and how dangerous it might be."

Critics worried that such a "franken-virus" could itself cause a pandemic if it escaped from its creators. The CDC's only response is that their facilities were more secure than others who had experienced breaches of some sort in years past.

Why would the CDC risk world exposure to an artificially created virus? According to the above report, it was done in the name of preparedness.

As mentioned above, experimenters are a worrisome lot. Real world experience indicates that they are generally overconfident in their scientific prowess and in their abilities to contain the unpredictable fruit of their experiments.

Conclusion
There are some big problems with the current outbreak of flying pig flu. If there has been foul play, it may never be brought to light. Still, tough questions need to be asked:

While it is not unknown for pigs to become infected with the H5N1 virus, the result has always been a less-lethal and less-contagious virus than avian flu by itself. Why is this epidemic so obviously contagious?
How would genetic code from three continents find its way into a single strain in Mexico City?
Is this virus an escaped experiment from a project gone awry?
If man-made and not accidentally released, then who released it, and why?
As we contemplate these questions, watch the stock prices of major pharma companies skyrocket as they gear up to sell billions in vaccines. Watch governments as they declare mandatory vaccination programs. Watch the Obama administration as it railroads universal healthcare through Congress.

Indeed, flying pig flu may be just the right name for whatever is responsible for this particular flu outbreak.

In the meantime, we can reopen this case when pigs fly or when 10 million or so people have died, whichever comes first.

Special Guest Opinion from Dr. Russell Blaylock
[Editor's note: My friend, Dr. Russell Blaylock, is a board certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. An expert on nutrition and vaccines, he is also editor of the widely distributed Blaylock Wellness Report. Dr. Blaylock graciously submitted the following comments for August Review readers. I highly recommend his newsletter.]

I was in the military during the first swine flu scare in 1976.


At the time it became policy that all soldiers would be vaccinated for swine flu. As a medical officer I refused and almost faced a court martial, but the military didn’t want the bad publicity. Despite the assurance by all the experts in virology, including Dr. Sabin, the epidemic never materialized.


What did materialize were 500 cases of Gullian-Barre paralysis, including 25 deaths—not due to the swine flu itself, but as a direct result of the vaccine. At the time President Gerald Ford, on advice from the CDC, called for vaccination of the entire population of the United States.

Today, some 33 years later, we are hearing the same cries of alarm from a similar lineup of virology experts.

The pharmaceutical companies are busy designing a vaccine for the swine flu in hope that this administration will make the vaccine mandatory before another vaccine-related disaster can ruin their party.

And as before, a number of equally qualified experts are calling for calm, based on a number of carefully conducted studies. To no one’s surprise, they too are being ignored by the media and government planners.

According to science reports, this current strain of flu is H1N1. It can be forcibly inoculated into pigs, but it has been shown not to spread among the pig population. This means that the danger of a swine-based epidemic is small.

There are several strains of this flu virus however, including H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2 and H2N3. What the science has shown is that when the virus passes through the pig, it becomes less virulent—that is, it is less likely to cause serious disease in people. With each passage, it becomes even weaker.

Since this is not the answer that the pseudo-scientists wanted, they next announced that it is “possible” that the pigs could be infected with both the bird flu (strain H5N1) and the swine flu (strain H1N1), resulting in a mutant, highly virulent strain that could lead to a pandemic.

Note this is pure speculation and that no scientist has ever performed this trick. It is purely hypothetical—like global warming. CDC virologists claim that in the past they performed a similar virological trick, but they never published their results and thus have kept the data close to the vest.

In science, especially medical science, speculation is taboo. But, politicized scientists perform this bit of smoke and mirrors all the time.

So, you may ask, "What about all the people dying in Mexico?"

Overcrowding, poor nutrition and overall poor immunity, all of which are indigenous to Mexico, are a certain prescription for death from almost any infection. [Note that despite 46 cases of this very same flu in the United States there have been no deaths. This is because Americans, comparatively, have better nutrition and medical care.]

Like SARS and bird flu before it, this swine flu scare is a lot of nonsense.

Just take your high dose vitamin D3 (5000 IU a day), eat a healthy diet and take a few immune boosting supplements (such as beta-1, 3/1, 6 glucan) and you will not have to worry about this flu.

[boots]

It's not really the vaccines that are the problem; it's the fucking scumbag marketeers who's taken over the production. What we need to do is start kicking against them and get some independent minds overseeing the science.

Vaccines have worked miracles in the past, but the business aspect of the pharma co's have stepped all over a good thing. Like every other aspect of life, money has taken over integrity; It's market forces before decency.


Vaccines have had no effect on the decline in viruses When you look at the chart's it's plain to see that there was a decline in the rate of infections prior to the introduction of a vaccine.

Sanitation and a healthy body/immune system will fight of any disease.

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You've bought into the propaganda of big pharma.


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[kingmonkey]

Vaccines have had no effect on the decline in viruses When you look at the chart's it's plain to see that there was a decline in the rate of infections prior to the introduction of a vaccine.

Sanitation and a healthy body/immune system will fight of any disease.

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You've bought into the propaganda of big pharma.


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So the eradication of smallpox and near eradication of polio is big pharma propaganda and happened naturally?

[boots]

So the eradication of smallpox and near eradication of polio is big pharma propaganda and happened naturally?


Yep.

Dont confuse the genetically engineered splice viruses of today (sars, Birdflu and swine flu) BTW swine flu is an old virus.

Anti bodies are made by the infected person and those are then passed on to the next human that catches it, the body then recognizes the other persons anti bodies and improves on it. That combined with vitamins and better sanitation, ie washing hands which lessens the over all virus count and I would have to say the hundredth monkey effect, soon see's the virus in decline. To complete eradication.

You may want to look at this thread. By a certified Doctor.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63701


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[thirdwave]

I guess it would be easy for the elite to throw virus around... and even choose a destination... simple whack a load of it in some planes and spray the sky with it... this is what winds me up when people ignore things like the plane trails... its such a submissive attitude to something so potentially dangerous... not enough questions being asked about it.

[burnttoast]

Know anyone with Small Pox?



You really should do your homework...

it was also compulsory smallpox vaccination campaigns in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that played a major role in decimating the populations of: Japan (48,000 deaths), England and Wales (44,840 deaths, after 97 percent of the population had been vaccinated), Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, Italy, India (3 million -- all vaccinated), Australia, Germany (124,000 deaths), Prussia (69,000 deaths -- all re-vaccinated), and the Philippines. The epidemics ended in cities where smallpox vaccinations were either discontinued, or never begun, and after sanitary reforms were instituted (Smallpox Vaccination).



Source (http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_smallpox.htm)

[netta]

Yeah they had some HPV shot that they wanted to give me and I only took half because I didn't trust them. And now look what happened
http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/04/21/hpv-vaccine-might-cause-infertility/
Since I didn't take the second part, hopefully it didn't affect me too much. But I got to say thanks to some of you on David Icke, because if I hadn't come across any of this information I would have taken the full vaccine. Now in the future I will refuse most.

[dude111]

You were lucky my friend!! (Lucky they let you only get 1/2 (Which could hurt you as much as the entire thing))

[kingmonkey]

By 1840, smallpox vaccination in Britain was free for all infants. Vaccination was made compulsory by an Act of Parliament in the year 1853; again in 1867; and still more stringent in 1871. Deaths from smallpox in the first 10 years after the enforcement of Vaccination was 33,515, and from 1864 to 1873 the figure more than double to 70,458 deaths...Not only had poor sanitation and nutrition lain the foundation for disease, it was also compulsory smallpox vaccination campaigns in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that played a major role in decimating the populations of: Japan (48,000 deaths), England and Wales (44,840 deaths, after 97 percent of the population had been vaccinated), Scotland, Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, Italy, India (3 million -- all vaccinated), Australia, Germany (124,000 deaths), Prussia (69,000 deaths -- all re-vaccinated), and the Philippines. The epidemics ended in cities where smallpox vaccinations were either discontinued, or never begun, and after sanitary reforms were instituted (Smallpox Vaccination).
The quotes sums up the whole article and shows it's lack of facts and scientific scrutiny; all it shows is death increases after vaccination and makes a connection between the two. Where are the actual smallpox figures? Smallpox increased as well as vaccination, hence the deaths.The vaccinations helped in stemming the rise. I'm sure there were deaths from the vaccines, but the above quotes show the complete lack of impartiality of the author. The increase from 1864 to 1873 also makes no mention of a smallpox epidemic from 1871 - 73. The 44,800 deaths he mentions are actually the death figures from the epidemic. The mortaility rate for that period was probably higher, so he's shot himself in the foot there.

Hundreds/thousands of scientists, students and scholars have seen the figures from the smallpox era, and have come to the conclusion that vaccines worked. Why do you think this guy is right, and all the others are wrong?

I'm not saying vaccines are a good thing in all cases, but sometimes the risk is worth it. There are and always will be adverse reactions to vaccinations, but the levels of this aren't always accurate.

[beldazar]

A very interesting talk show about vaccinations and viruses,


http://www.superhumanradio.com/rss/2009/SHR_Show_298.mp3

Talks of vaccinations giving people the virus, how the dangerous 1976 swine flu vacciation was vaulted for future use and lots more!