Attenborough warns on population

[nofuture]

The broadcaster Sir David Attenborough has become a patron of a group seeking to cut the growth in human population

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996230.stm

[gilly]

The day I saw his documentary about the necessity for each of us to reduce our carbon footprint, because of the global warming we're creating, was the day Attenborough tumbled off a high pedestal for me. Shame.

[void]

Attenborough warns on population

You probably already know from previous threads that I'd actually agree with him about the human population. Earth and Humanity could do with a catastrophic natural disaster right now (imo). 60% or more of us out of the game, and many of humanity's current and self imposed problems would vanish. But human attempts to deal with this by meddling with human freedoms in restricting how many kids people can have, does get creepy and I don't embrace that. It's the same with the environmental issue. If other humans try and impose regulations on other people and stifle their lives or lay out official punishments for not towing the line,it's going to enrage them (understandably). Humans don't like to be kept in a box. Therefore it will likely require some outside event (outside of humanity, and not a certain sector of humans deciding who should go and who shouldn't) to bring about a required cull.

[meksar]

Sir David Attenborough is just another public spokesman for the British Khazar Empire. H.A.A.R.P is what causing "global warming/climate change". The elite have blocked various forms of free energy, therefore they started depopulating the 3rd world to keep their pockets full. Now they are going to cut the western population through the illusion of "we have to or the planet will die". That Khazar cocksucker David Mayer De Rothschild can go to fucking hell along with the rest of his family and friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFcW4uANq4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ahWHbUVVU

[simplysimon]

As I see it at the moment, the reasons they keep promoting depopulation are because there are too many people in non-productive employment. This planet can easily sustain the current population, but not if 50% or more of them are only consuming and not producing anything.

There is plenty of land, plenty of water and absolutely no need to depopulate.

[hey_jude]

The day I saw his documentary about the necessity for each of us to reduce our carbon footprint, because of the global warming we're creating, was the day Attenborough tumbled off a high pedestal for me. Shame.

Well said gilly - he came crashing down!

[void]

through the illusion of "we have to or the planet will die".

Yes. Earth wont "die". It can withstand anything humanity throws at it,because it doesn't require the current conditions that humanity relys on to live. But I'd suggest that humanity cannot withstand everything 'it' throws at the earth, in terms of the blowback effect of population infestation in the 'better' areas to live in the world (true there is pleeeeeenty of land on earth, but not all of is habitable nor full of resources), all squashed into areas where the best resources are. It is simple really. More people places more demand on existing resources of all kinds. And people will always gravitate towards areas where the best resources and living conditions are, leading to squalid and unbelieeeeeevably crowded conditions in some parts of the world.

Two oranges in basket, and 15 people is going to lead to squabbling over who has the oranges. With two oranges and 4 people it is much easier to share those resources with each other. As people get more hungry (the rise of the middle classes now and the resource demands that come with that class in massively populated nations like India and China), the more squabbling will occur. I've seen enough of the outside world to see how the human population is now an infestation and is now putting untold pressure on resources, in the process ruining our own immediate living environments.

[brossen99]

Attenborough preaches that peregrine falcons always make a clean kill first time, my personal experience with racing pigeons suggests otherwise. Although not critically injured, I was once called to " rescue " a pigeon which had escaped from a hawk after first being two thirds plucked, on another occasion one of my pigeons returned late with its back ripped wide open, how it managed to fly home with that scale of injury surprised me. Although I let it heal it never flew again

I was suspicious of Attenborough long before he climbed on the climate change bandwagon with all its related fascist based quasi- religion.

[airkraft]

You probably already know from previous threads that I'd actually agree with him about the human population. Earth and Humanity could do with a catastrophic natural disaster right now (imo). 60% or more of us out of the game, and many of humanity's current and self imposed problems would vanish. But human attempts to deal with this by meddling with human freedoms in restricting how many kids people can have, does get creepy and I don't embrace that. It's the same with the environmental issue. If other humans try and impose regulations on other people and stifle their lives or lay out official punishments for not towing the line,it's going to enrage them (understandably). Humans don't like to be kept in a box. Therefore it will likely require some outside event (outside of humanity, and not a certain sector of humans deciding who should go and who shouldn't) to bring about a required cull.

But what part of the population should suffer this fate.....worker bees only ?? to leave all those in power , still in power over fewer more managable numbers. Or a slice down the side of the pyramid so all levels get a percentage of them all knocked off....even the Rothschilds and Rockerfellas

[pinkgrapefruit]

The day I saw his documentary about the necessity for each of us to reduce our carbon footprint, because of the global warming we're creating, was the day Attenborough tumbled off a high pedestal for me. Shame.

Yep... Same for me, as soon as he became a mouthpiece for the Global Warming Scam he has become just another BBC employee!

[gripit]

Yep... Same for me, as soon as he became a mouthpiece for the Global Warming Scam he has become just another BBC employee!

EXACTLY. I watched some of that BBC "Earth" series, it was pretty good...right up until the last couple episodes, which were nothing but Gorebull Warming scams. Attenborough is scum.

[dreamweaver]

It's interesting how the greenies are coming out of the closet about depopulation now after all these years of sweeping this issue under the carpet.

They tried to keep it hidden for so long because they knew everyone would tell them where to go. Only now, after years of "softening people up" with all this bullshit imagery of fluffy polar bears, do they now feel confident enough to come up with the real agenda.

Funny how none of these greenies are prepared to eliminate themselves from the human population, isn't it?

[gripit]

Funny how none of these greenies are prepared to eliminate themselves from the human population, isn't it?

Let's line 'em up right now, starting with this sick fuck who wants to eliminate 6.5 billion people. Eric Pianka (http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/herpetol.html). He's a university professor in Texas who brings a plush ebola toy to his speeches to throngs of adoring maniacs. His pet Buffalo is named Lucifer, one of his favourite Lizards is called "Moloch Horridus".

Let's round 'em up!

[tomahawk]

It's interesting how the greenies are coming out of the closet about depopulation now after all these years of sweeping this issue under the carpet.

They tried to keep it hidden for so long because they knew everyone would tell them where to go. Only now, after years of "softening people up" with all this bullshit imagery of fluffy polar bears, do they now feel confident enough to come up with the real agenda.

Funny how none of these greenies are prepared to eliminate themselves from the human population, isn't it?

What do you think that 30+years of nature programs have been for?.. Up to about five years ago it was subtle propaganda that was putting across the message "humans are bad" at varying degrees of intensity, now it is in your face pro-eugenics, they are openly chanting the mantra "there are too many humans" and calling for "sustainability". They never mention that the people who had the greatest hand in, and gained the most from fucking up nature are the very ones that are now funding and guiding the green zombie movement into existence. I have come across more than my fair share of Greenies and trying to debate with them is practically impossible, they have a Zeal that can only be described as fanatical and religious.

[gripit]

I have come across more than my fair share of Greenies and trying to debate with them is practically impossible, they have a Zeal that can only be described as fanatical and religious.

Global Warming as Religion and not Science (http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm)

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
Blaise Pascal

It was Michael Crichton who first prominently identified environmentalism as a religion. That was in a speech in 2003, but the world has moved on apace since then and adherents of the creed now have a firm grip on the world at large.

Global Warming has become the core belief in a new eco-theology. The term is used as shorthand for anthropogenic (or man made) global warming. It is closely related to other modern belief systems, such as political correctness, chemophobia and various other forms of scaremongering, but it represents the vanguard in the assault on scientific man.

The activists now prefer to call it “climate change”. This gives them two advantages:

1. It allows them to seize as “evidence” the inevitable occurrences of unusually cold weather as well as warm ones.
2. The climate is always changing, so they must be right.

Only the relatively elderly can remember the cynical haste with which the scaremongers dropped the “coming ice age” and embraced exactly the opposite prediction, but aimed at the same culprit – industry. This was in Britain, which was the cradle of the new belief and was a response to the derision resulting from the searing summer of 1976. The father of the new religion was Sir Crispin Tickell, and because he had the ear of Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, who was engaged in a battle with the coal miners and the oil sheiks, it was introduced into international politics with the authority of the only major political leader holding a qualification in science. The introduction was timely yet ironic since, in the wake of the world’s political upheavals, a powerful new grouping of left-wing interests was coalescing around environmental issues. The result was a new form of godless religion. The global warming cult has the characteristics of religion and not science for the following reasons.

Faith and scepticism

Faith is a belief held without evidence. The scientific method, a loose collection of procedures of great variety, is based on precisely the opposite concept, as famously declared by Thomas Henry Huxley:

The improver of natural knowledge absolutely refuses to acknowledge authority, as such. For him, scepticism is the highest of duties; blind faith the one unpardonable sin.

Huxley was one of a long tradition of British sceptical philosophers. From the Bacons, through the likes of Locke, Hume and Russell, to the magnificent climax of Popper’s statement of the principle of falsifiability, the scientific method was painfully established, only to be abandoned in a few short decades. It is one of the great ironies of modern history that the nation that was the cradle of the scientific method came to lead the process of its abandonment. The great difference, then, is that religion demands belief, while science requires disbelief. There is a great variety of faiths. Atheism is just as much a faith as theism. There is no evidence either way. There is no fundamental clash between faith and science – they do not intersect. The difficulties arise, however, when one pretends to be the other.

The Royal Society, as a major part of the flowering of the tradition, was founded on the basis of scepticism. Its motto “On the word of no one” was a stout affirmation. Now suddenly, following their successful coup, the Greens have changed this motto of centuries to one that manages to be both banal and sinister – “Respect the facts.” When people start talking about “the facts” it is time to start looking for the fictions. Real science does not talk about facts; it talks about observations, which might turn out to be inaccurate or even irrelevant.

The global warmers like to use the name of science, but they do not like its methods. They promote slogans such a “The science is settled” when real scientists know that science is never settled. They were not, however, always so wise. In 1900, for example, the great Lord Kelvin famously stated, "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement." Within a few years classical physics was shattered by Einstein and his contemporaries. Since then, in science, the debate is never closed.

The world might (or might not) have warmed by a fraction of a degree. This might (or might not) be all (or in part) due to the activities of mankind. It all depends on the quality of observations and the validity of various hypotheses. Science is at ease with this situation. It accepts various theories, such as gravitation or evolution, as the least bad available and of the most practical use, but it does not believe. Religion is different.

Sin and absolution

It is in the nature of religion to be authoritarian and proscriptive. Essential to this is the concept of sin – a transgression in thought or deed of theological principles.

Original sin in the older religions derived from one of the founts of life on earth – sex. The new religion goes even further back to the very basis of all life – carbon. Perhaps the fundamental human fear is fear of life itself. The amazing propensity of carbon to form compounds of unlimited complexity made the existence of life possible, while its dioxide is the primary foodstuff, the very start of the food chain. Every item of nutriment you consume started out as atmospheric carbon dioxide. It is therefore the ideal candidate for original sin, since no one can escape dependence on it. This manna that gave us life is now regularly branded in media headlines as “pollution” and “toxic”: surely one of the most perverse dysphemisms in the history of language.

The corrective to sin in religion is absolution, and the power of most religions comes from their claim to have the monopoly on absolution. So it is with the new godless religion. Furthermore, it is in the nature of religion to create false markets. In the time of Chaucer the Pardoner sold papal indulgences, which freed the prosperous from the consequences of sin. Likewise, the new pardoners sell carbon offsets. As in so much of both ancient and modern society these activities divert effort from wealth creation and so act as a drag on the economy. They also grant to the rich a comfort that is not available to the poor – a sure road to success.

Proselytes and evangelists

Most religions seek to grow by means of proselytism. Science does not seek or need converts. It teaches those that are willing to learn, but it does not impose itself on those who are indifferent. Religions (at least those that are successful) have a different imperative. A growing cohort of believers reinforces the beliefs of existing adherents and participating in the quest for converts helps assuage the inevitable doubts they might harbour. Successful religions are structured to encompass this expansionary mechanism. Those who can recruit others to the cause are therefore held in high regard.

Demagogues and hypocrites

Demagoguery is also, therefore, a feature of religion. Some people have the capacity to hold the masses in their thrall. It is a mysterious art, as their skills of oratory do not often stand up to any sort of critical examination. They are idols of the moment, who often turn out to have feet of clay, as so frequently seems to happen with charismatic TV preachers.

One of the most notorious demagogues of the godless religion is Al Gore. He is certainly no great orator, but he makes up for it with chutzpah. His disregard for truth is exemplified by his characteristic and ubiquitous pose in front of a satellite photograph of hurricane Katrina. Even some of the most vehement climate “scientists” refrain from connecting that particular isolated and monstrously tragic event with global warming. Likewise his Old Testament style prophecies of further disasters, such as floods due to a rise in sea level, greatly exceed the more modest claims of the “professionals”. As in the overthrow of the cities of the plain and other biblical prophecies, Gore promises a rain of fire and brimstone on us, unless we change our ways.

Gore also displays all the characteristics of the classical religious hypocrite. He disregards his own proscriptions with abandonment and ostentation. By his own measure (carbon footprint) his sins are great; at least twenty times those of the average American. It is all right though, because he purchases absolution (carbon offsets) through his own company. As he is a private individual it is not known whether he profits directly, but at a minimum he does not pay out of his taxable income and, worst of all, he demonstrates that the rich are immune from any of the actual privations that attachment to the new religion visits upon its poorer adherents. This is also not unknown in traditional religions and has been a source of material for satirists throughout the centuries.

Infidels and apostates

Religions vary in their treatment of unbelievers, which ranges from disregard to slaughter. The new religion relies at present on verbal assault and character assassination, though there are those who would go further. They call the infidels “deniers” – a cheap and quite despicable verbal reference to the Holocaust. There is a sustained campaign to deny the deniers any sort of public platform for their views.

Apostates are universally even more reviled than infidels. They have turned their backs on the true faith, whichever that might happen to be. Partial apostates, or heretics, are even more loathed and through the ages have been subjected to the most appalling punishments and deaths. In the case of the “sceptical environmentalist”, Bjorn Lomborg, he is of the faith. In fact he is a serial believer; accepting, for example, that eating celery causes two percent of all cancers and, of course, that global warming is man made, but he rejects the sacrificing of humanity to the belief. This is unacceptable! What are a few million deaths from dirty water, mosquito bites and other hazards so long as people can be made to conform? So far he has only been assaulted with insults and custard pies. Patrick Moore, a founder of Greenpeace, broke with the movement over its growing anti-human, anti-scientific tendencies and drift into extremism. The last straw for him was the campaign against chlorine, not only an essential component of human life but also the basis of one of the most dramatically life-saving hygienic interventions. He has, consequently, been subjected to a prolonged campaign of vilification, described as an eco-Judas, turncoat and traitor. Every minor commentator or blogger who manifests disbelief can expect to be the target of abuse from self-appointed protectors of the creed.

Sacrifice and ritual

It is part of human nature that we do not like to admit making a mistake, even to ourselves. So if, for example, we buy a magic device that by some mysterious means improves the fuel efficiency of our car, we drive a little more conservatively in order to prove that we have not been had. Religions exploit this weakness as a means creating and reinforcing commitment. If someone can be induced or coerced into making a sacrifice they then have a stake in the cause.

Windmills, for example, are the symbols of power, not physical power (of which they are derisorily short) but political and religious power. They are like the great domes of temples, the statues of Saddam or the big “M” arch of MacDonald’s. Windmills are ugly: they destroy the visual (and aural) landscape, but that is their purpose. They are part of the sacrifice. It would not be so bad if they were simply useless, but it is worse than that. Conventional generating systems of equivalent power have to operate for 80% of the time, while the wind is blowing too soft or too hard, and then be switched to warm standby when it is just right, an expensive and wasteful process. Windmills are there to remind us of our commitment, willing or not, to the cause, both in excessive taxation and loss of visual and aural amenity.

As in other forms of mental conditioning, continued reinforcement is a necessary part of the process and that is where ritual comes in. Ritual comprises tiny sacrifices infinitely repeated. Going round the house switching off standby lights performs the same function as the repetitive chanting of mantras. The fact that it is pointless is the whole point.

One of the most valuable ideas of modern engineering, lost in the noise, has been lost in the noise. In most applications a change of, say, one part in ten thousand is too small to be measured and therefore not worthy of concern. If standby in domestic devices ever were a problem, it is now a rapidly diminishing one. In the old days of thermionic devices (valves or tubes) it was necessary to keep cathodes heated to avoid a prolonged warming up period, but transistors and LCDs do not have cathodes and are therefore instantly available. Present standby powers are about five watts. In the temperate zone that is transferred from your central heating bill for half the year, though it is barely enough to keep your big toe warm. In fact, it would be relatively easy to make the standby power microwatts, just enough to power an optical sensor and decoder, though until now nobody thought such a pointless exercise necessary.

Prophecy and divination

In the real world attempts at prophecy always come to a bad end. Only in religious texts and the currently popular fantasy fiction do prophecies come true. H G Wells, in The shape of things to come, successfully predicted the mechanised War, as did Winston Churchill, but little else, and the film that Wells closely supervised now provides rather comic entertainment (but wonderful music). Even those of us closely involved in electronics did not foresee that a development of the ancient art of writing on stone, lithography, would result in millions of transistors being available on one chip, changing the world forever, including granting new and sinister means of control to those in authority.

Likewise, divination was greatly regarded in all cultures, ancient and modern. Stars were observed, chickens and other animals slaughtered, so that their steaming entrails could be examined to predict the future, cards were shuffled and crystal balls peered into. Comparatively recently the leader of the most powerful nation on earth relied on the advice of astrologers.

Now divination has returned with, for example, the examination of the entrails of ancient trees. Though the methods used are invalid (they wrongly assume linearity) and have been comprehensively shown to be irreproducible and misleading, the results have been paraded before the world in defence of draconian sacrificial policies.

The main form of modern divination, however, is computer models. Forty odd years ago an instruction passed round the Faculty of Engineering of the University of London that no PhDs were to be awarded on the basis of computer models unsupported by measurement. As T S Eliot asked in Choruses from The Rock

Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?

Now, huge and generously funded university and government departments do nothing but develop computer models, involving assumptions about physical interactions that are still not understood by science. Their dubious (to say the least) results are used by the new international priesthood to frighten the people into conformity.

Puritans and killjoys

No one has bettered Mencken’s definition of Puritanism – the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. It is an unfortunate characteristic of many varieties of religion that this characteristic is to the fore and Global Warming is far from being an exception. Nothing the proponents offer involves an improvement or even maintenance of human contentment, quite the opposite in fact. You might think that any philosophy of life would involve swings and roundabouts, good and bad, but think again. Virtually everything you enjoy is now sinful – holidays, driving your car, having a comfortable temperature in your home, being free from the stink of rotting garbage, and on and on.

As with the flagellants of old, for some people a feeling of self-righteousness not only transcends all discomforts, but derives from them. The rest of us have to be coerced into conformity.

It is an unfortunate fact of life that there are people who get their kicks out of pushing other people around. The existence of little pleasures of life, such as savouring a fine wine or cigar (and even more so the proletarian equivalents) is intolerable to them. They will exploit any means – the distortion of science, the suborning of weak politicians, the repetition of mendacious propaganda – to achieve the elimination of the hated practices. The eleventh commandment for the killjoys is “Thou shalt not have fun”, and global warming provides a delightful playground for them.

Censorship and angles

Freedom of speech and publication is at the very heart of science. Even the most foolish of hypotheses is allowed to be offered for examination. In much of religion the opposite is true; challenging the established dogma is heresy, for which the punishment has ranged from ostracism to horrific torture and death. One of the greatest ironies produced by the successful policy of entryism by the eco-theologians is that it is none other than the Royal Society that has been orchestrating the attempt to censor any deviation from establishment beliefs. Authoritarian politicians, such as Congressman Brad Miller, would give such suppression the force of law.

It is a curious repetition of history that those who advance the hypothesis that the sun is the controlling element in changes of climate are vilified, just as Galileo was, for supporting the Copernican heliocentric description of the solar system. Yet the sun is clearly the driver for climate – if it stopped shining, the earth’s temperature would drop to near absolute zero. In the establishment dogma the sun is barely mentioned, while the puny efforts of mankind are gratuitously magnified out of proportion. In a scientific approach to climate, a full understanding of the behaviour of that solitary driver would be the first prerequisite, but this is waived in the interests of piety; so leading solar researchers have been deprived of funding.

One of the most exploited ways of angling the news is by “ratchet reporting”. News of unusual warm weather, for example, is given copious coverage, while cold weather is studiously ignored. Thus the spring of 2007 was disastrously cold in parts of North America, with ice-bound ships and snowed-off baseball, but this was kept secret from the British, whose wonderful summery April was presented as though it were bad news (and that in the land of rheumatism and bronchitis!). The fact that Britain had no spring at all in 2006 was conveniently forgotten, except as a basis of comparison to establish that 2007 was substantially warmer.

That the media know that they are peddling untruths is demonstrated by these tricks they get up to. If they were confident of the truth of their case there would be no need to fake the coverage. They have been frequently caught out faking their numbers and graphs, but only a few internet surfers know about it. If you think you have a good case, you can afford to present both sides, but they don’t. The great majority of the population have no idea that there is an alternative view. That is not science, it is religion.

Control and taxation

Religion has always played an important part in the imposition of authority. For many centuries it took the form of the “Divine Right of Kings” or the “Mandate of Heaven”. Once you get the people to believe, you can get away with almost any imposition. The alliance between the shaman and the legislator has long been the very foundation of authoritarianism. Even when the dogma is a godless one, such as Marxism, it is imposed with religious fervour, for that is the way to induce conformity.

People now accept laws that restrict their liberty and standard of living, which would once have provoked riots, because they are cloaked in a quasi-religious formula of environmentalism. So-called environmental burdens, for example, now greatly outweigh the incremental effect of the poll tax that met with such violent opposition in England, yet are now meekly accepted, as is the parasitic presence of various forms of snooper, who even invade people’s dustbins.

Contradictions and irrationality

Traditional religions not only tolerated contradiction and irrationality, they embrace them as part of the mystique. Words and phrases are repeated ad nauseam and in strange contexts, until they lose all meaning and become self-preserving mantras.

Contradictions and irrationality also abound in the modern theocratic world. The EU, for example, gratuitously destroys a tiny industry making traditional barometers, on the grounds of an irrational fear of mercury, then imposes the use of fluorescent light bulbs that distribute that same dreaded substance in huge quantities across the continent, all on the basis of the threat of global warming.

People who have never heard of Wien or Planck confidently assert that it is “obvious” that man-made CO2 will cause runaway warming of the planet, when it is not at all obvious to many who are familiar with the works of those gentlemen. It is obvious in the sense that it is obvious that believers will have everlasting life or that a senseless act of self-immolation will earn the eternal attentions of 72 virgins in Paradise. The capacity to believe six impossible things before breakfast has been restored from fantasy to accepted normality.

Wealth and power

Some organisms develop the ingredients to survive and multiply, so it is with business and religions. It is characteristic of businesses that they dispose of the entrepreneurs who create them and are taken over by a different breed of corporate manager: so it is with religions. The brutally suppressed troglodytes who were the early Christians of Rome were a different breed from the cardinals, bishops and abbots who bestrode mediaeval Europe and lived the opulent life. There were also, of course, the humble and saintly mendicant friars. The equivalents of all these varieties exist within the new movement.

Money is the basis of the new religion. It poured in from various foundations (the so-called ketchup money) and naïve donors. The activists found that they had to maintain and innovate their product (anxiety) to keep the income rising, so they had to keep increasing the imaginary threats both in intensity and number. With money came power. In Britain, the political parties are all effectively bankrupt, so the temptation to hang onto the coattails of a movement with so much momentum was irresistible. Even the Conservative Party submitted to a coup that was totally alien to everything it had ever believed in.

The other route to power was the Trotskyite method of entryism. Once one adherent to the cause obtained a position of authority he could recruit others of a like mind. One by one the bastions of the media, and even science itself, fell to the intruders. A new breed of environmental editors achieved a monopoly of reporting in those areas that coincided with their beliefs. With powerful media organisations behind them they then also had the protection of the law to intimidate their adversaries. Opposition to the movement was largely confined to the internet and a few determined individuals in remote institutions, such as the emasculated rump of the British House of Lords.

With power comes patronage. At its best this has produced great architecture and art. At its worst it produces vast acres of ugly, worse than useless windmills and rigidly controlled research. What passed as scientific research a quarter of a century ago now barely exists. To get funding, your project has to conform to one of the mantra descriptions, such as “sustainable development”. Doubters are afraid to speak out. Their institutions are dependent on millions in grants at the disposal of green officials to obtain “appropriate” results relevant to global warming and related scares. When your institution is involved in a fight for survival, you do not rock the boat.

The lavishness of the tax-funded, aviation-fuelled, international junkets enjoyed by the global warming priesthood, contrasted with the frugal gatherings of their relatively impotent scientific opponents, is the very stuff of mediaeval satire. Just as Rabelais had to go into hiding from the anger of the priesthood of his time, so critics of the new religion are largely confined to the interstices of the internet. As ever, wealth and power determine the ability to propagate one’s views. It might be some small compensation for members of the resistance, cowering in the electronic maquis, that history remembers the name of Rabelais, while his persecutors are forgotten.

Confession and salvation

One of the last bastions of science to fall was the British Royal Society for the encouragement of Arts, Science and Manufacture. It has a Chief Executive who was formerly one of the most powerful green civil servants. It now offers its fellows the opportunity to make public confession of their sins in the form of their “carbon footprint”. They even have a programme of “Carbon Control” directed at seven to fourteen year olds, urging them to take control of their carbon emissions. Young children now have nightmares about the burning planet, just as some of us once had nightmares about burning in hell unless we believed, and then lay awake at night wondering whether we believed or not, or what “believe” actually means. The ruthless exploitation of the receptivity of the young, and their relentless indoctrination, is one of the less pleasant characteristics of much of religion. As the Jesuits say “Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man.”

Hell-fire is the stick and salvation is the carrot. Perhaps the best you can say about the new religion is that the object of salvation is “the planet” and not just oneself. It is also the worst you can say; for it is essentially inhuman; which is what inflames heretics like Lomborg. Science, of course is also inhuman. Science though, unlike religion, does not seek to dictate policy. It can provide information for policy-makers, such as “If you do this, millions of Africans are likely to die” but it does not say “You must, or must not, do this.” Religion, depending upon its particular variety, will say “They must be saved” or, while not so indelicate as to put it into words, “Let them die.” One of the most offensive manifestations of the new religion occurred when hundreds of the priesthood went on one of their lavish junkets in Africa, where all around them was suffering and death.

Envoi

The human spirit is sick. It soared during the enlightenment of the eighteenth century. It flowered during the nineteenth. It beat off the tyrants of the twentieth century. Now, at an alarming rate, it is surrendering its freedoms to a concocted religion based on fraudulent science. Of course, it is not only science that has suffered in the overwhelming cultural downturn. The great artistic tradition has given way to displays of dead animals and soiled beds. In much of what passes for literature and drama, the expletives remain while the loftier aspirations of humanity are deleted. Entertainment is debased by displays of banality, cruelty and vacuous, groundless celebrity. It was science, however, that gave us lives of a length, comfort and healthiness that were unthought-of, even within human memory; a gift that is cold-bloodedly, but covertly, being denied to millions in poorer parts of the world. Extremists of the new religion regard humanity as an inconvenience or a pestilence that can be disposed of (not including themselves, of course).

Above all, science represented the triumph of humanity over the primitive superstitions that haunted our ancestors, a creation of pure reason, a monument to that evolutionary (or, if you prefer, God-given) miracle of the human brain. It is too valuable just to be tossed away like a used tissue. But who will speak for science when the barbarian is already inside the gate?

John Brignell

June 2007

[planetsadhana]

the earth is no longer maintained properly like a macrocosm of the obese human....greed and selfishness and manipulation means the natural organic process has been thrown out of place by man (or more truthfully men in power)

Only when this earth has returned to a non manipulated state will balance prevail

[bones]

if you are so fucking worried about over population and agree that we need to kill off some humans to help the earth out then

WHY DONT YOU START BY TAKING YOUR OWN LIFE,,

or is it i agree but as long as i dont die????

shut the hell up!!!

[hey_jude]

if you are so fucking worried about over population and agree that we need to kill off some humans to help the earth out then

WHY DONT YOU START BY TAKING YOUR OWN LIFE,,

or is it i agree but as long as i dont die????

shut the hell up!!!

Well said bones!

[gripit]

We should start a Depopulation Martyr list.

You first...Kissinger, Prince Philip, Attenborough, Gore, Pianka and fans...etc etc :)

[hey_jude]

We should start a Depopulation Martyr list.

You first...Kissinger, Prince Philip, Attenborough, Gore, Pianka and fans...etc etc :)

...Jonathan Porrit, Ted Turner, David Rockefeller, Dr Stan Monteith, N.William Gaskins Ph.D., Bill Gates

[gripit]

Here is a 'cute' site (http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/blackdeath.html) that sells plush toys of Anthrax, Black Death, Ebola, Flesh Eating Virus, Mad Cow, Typhoid Fever, etc. This prick goes on the list!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=3294

[steevo]

Sir David Attenborough has been whoring himself on those wildlife PROGRAMS since day one. I bet he never showed the Buffalo Video (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53042)

[analog]

The broadcaster Sir David Attenborough has become a patron of a group seeking to cut the growth in human population

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996230.stm



someone ought to tell Attenborough that overpopulation is bullshit and originated with the philosophy of Malthus, the world is not over-populated is just made to seem that way.

[gripit]

...Jonathan Porrit, Ted Turner, David Rockefeller, Dr Stan Monteith, N.William Gaskins Ph.D., Bill Gates

Cmon guys, put your money where your mouth is, after all, it's for the chiiiiiiiiiiildren. Get in the depopulation box! Your minions will follow, I'm sure of it! :rolleyes:

[2013]

[URL="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm"]
Only the relatively elderly can remember the cynical haste with which the scaremongers dropped the “coming ice age” and embraced exactly the opposite prediction, but aimed at the same culprit – industry. This was in Britain, which was the cradle of the new belief and was a response to the derision resulting from the searing summer of 1976.


I meant to post this im 45 (not relatively elderly :rolleyes:) but i recal the hot summer of 1976 the tarmac on the roads was melting it was that hot . We havent had it that hot since no where near in fact .My girlfriend (although not at that time period ) was pregnant with her son at the time and remembers it very well .:D

[tribe_of_david]

Well said gilly - he came crashing down!

On a similar angle to this on people going up and down in peoples opinions if they speak out. Did Charlie Sheen end up actually backtracking on his initial outcry about the cover up of 911 ? Sorry if this is slightly off topic.

On the Attenborough angle i have a theory on why "so called" respected figures say things that there fans would deem as off kilter.

My theory is this, how do we know that when someone is suicided that it actually is a suicide but a forced suicide, like in the Hunter S Thompson death, if the Goverment was to secretly contact Hunter and basically in no uncertain terms say you have become too dangerous and if you dont kill yourself we will kill your family, and basically leave him in no doubt that they would do this.

On a similar angle getting someone like "attenborough" to make these comments as his fans would beleive it more form him than some sleazy politician. If Attenborough was "told" he must say it, and whether threats were made we wouldnt know.

But taking a step back these may not be his own thoughts, but forced thoughts.

[gripit]

If Attenborough was "told" he must say it, and whether threats were made we wouldnt know.

But taking a step back these may not be his own thoughts, but forced thoughts.

Oh, I believe they are all told to $ay it. They don't give a $hit if it'$ a lie, their livelihood depend$ on it.

Attenborough can take that "$ir" title and $hove it up hi$ a$$!

[void]

But what part of the population should suffer this fate.....worker bees only ??

Nature would decide that, I'm sure.

[i_am]

Nature would decide that, I'm sure.

Would it?

How many of the so-called natural disasters of the last decade have actually been 'natural' disasters or TPTB dicking with Harrp and other means of manipulating the earth and weather, or caused through their incompetance and lack of concern for the earth and its inhabitants?

[mightiswrong]

He might think he has helped nature by making a bunch of nature programs but what about the way he lives. Does he even have the desire to give up any of the technology that so harms nature being Man also. All those flights around the world have no doubt caused more damage than most other people and why do these people not make programmes showing the importance of Man to nature? What about our abilities to repair the damage? Without Man the earth can not be healed to it's pristine blossoming. Why is Man never present in these progams? I can plant a garden and make the earth beautiful once more.

[mightiswrong]

No Attenborough is a fallen Man. He knows nothing about creation only destruction and you can see that in his destructive thinking and callous disregard for Man and nature alike.

[mightiswrong]

It is truth that Man can create as well as destroy. Why not show images of him creating rather than destroying? Here (http://www.vidyaonline.net/arvindgupta/plantedtrees.pdf) are two men who have created. One of whom played Attenboroughs role as reporter. Perhaps together we can determine which of the 3 was most creative and which presented destructive images of Man (http://www.ringingcedarsofrussia.org/theearth/ringing-cedars-newspaper-interview-vladimir-megre-part2-2008-oct.html#n1).

[anthony65]

You probably already know from previous threads that I'd actually agree with him about the human population. Earth and Humanity could do with a catastrophic natural disaster right now (imo). 60% or more of us out of the game, and many of humanity's current and self imposed problems would vanish. But human attempts to deal with this by meddling with human freedoms in restricting how many kids people can have, does get creepy and I don't embrace that. It's the same with the environmental issue. If other humans try and impose regulations on other people and stifle their lives or lay out official punishments for not towing the line,it's going to enrage them (understandably). Humans don't like to be kept in a box. Therefore it will likely require some outside event (outside of humanity, and not a certain sector of humans deciding who should go and who shouldn't) to bring about a required cull.

:eek:

What fascist fuckshit shite utterandtotal lying cockwangling bollocks of the highest order!

[anthony65]

Would it?

How many of the so-called natural disasters of the last decade have actually been 'natural' disasters or TPTB dicking with Harrp and other means of manipulating the earth and weather, or caused through their incompetance and lack of concern for the earth and its inhabitants?

Too right.... :mad:

Sadly... :(

But they don't get it their own way all the time ... :)

I have a feeling that things were supposed to be much worse by now... :rolleyes:

Which is why there is a growing discrepancy between what we hear and what we see ;)

And one of the reasons is orgonite :cool:

:D

[mightiswrong]

The notion of overpopulation is entirely false when you consider permaculture and square foot gardening:

Grow all you want and need in only 20% of the space of a conventional row garden.

http://www.squarefootgardening.com/index.php/The-Project/what-is-square-foot-gardening.html

20% of the space! That means if we make use of all the garden and roof space in our cities we would probably grow enough food just in the cities without even using the farmland (although I am not suggesting we should limit ourselves to cities).

[theciape]

De-Population is inevitable at this point. It is now a matter of collectively choosing between Mother Nature's Culling, or Man's Culling. If we collectively choose to stay with this Synthetic Civilization which is being sold to us (it is our choice) then we will experience Man's Culling, the flu, bio weapons, vaccines, GMO foods... And if we collectively choose to decline and go back to living in harmony with Mother Nature then we will experience Nature's culling. Just as many will die along with the civilization because they will not be strong enough to take care of themselves. Most of us will be discarding the flesh in the next decade. One of many good things about collectively choosing Nature's is that it will allow us the comfort to help one another adapt, survive, and pass on.

I choose Nature.

[mightiswrong]

we will experience Nature's culling. Just as many will die along with the civilization because they will not be strong enough to take care of themselves.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. There are vast areas of untapped land:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk

[gripit]

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. There are vast areas of untapped land:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk

Exactly. Plenty of desert that can turned into farmland. Even without that, there's still plenty of food to feed the "useless eaters". But since the NWO has deemed "them" to be useless eaters, they get fuck all clean water, food and resources to change deserts into farmland.

[mightiswrong]

It seems that the NWO are irrelevant to the equation. They like to turn good land into desert all over the UK spraying with harmful pesticides and covering in destructive monocultures, concrete and tarmac. Companies like monsanto (wideeyecinema.com/?p=105) are at the heart of their agenda but the fact is those lands are ours to protect from the NWO using intelligent permaculture methods and by creating kin's domain settlements. It is our responsibility to take back control of our food and protect our motherland from destructive thinking.

[mightiswrong]

We could use square foot gardening for example this year to put Monsanto and Asda even the Government out of business.

edit. Note all three companies mentioned are foreign invadors and none uphold the duty of care we have for our motherland. So it is a crime to employ any of them. Destructive thinking is the leading edge of the argument and I should not really have described criminal racketeering as business.

rack·et·eer (rāk'ĭ-tîr')
n. A person who commits crimes such as extortion, loansharking, bribery, and obstruction of justice in furtherance of illegal business activities.
intr.v. rack·et·eered, rack·et·eer·ing, rack·et·eers
To carry on illegal business activities that involve crimes.

[void]

What fascist fuckshit shite utterandtotal lying cockwangling bollocks of the highest order!

C'mon Anthony, don't mince words. Tell us what you 'really' think. :D

[pduffy4]

Sir David Attenborough, now we know where his loyalties lie.:mad:

Now I know what Sir stands for: Silly Igrorant Retard.:mad:

[ginge51]

Whatever anyone says, the world "DOES" have too many people living on it.
What is the amount?
Something shocking like 6 billion ppl, that figure as it is growing so rapidly is totally unsustainable.
And i also agree that the government should cap everyone to have 3 children only.
There simply is no need for any more.
There's people/families in the uk that have 20 children, yes 20 bleeding children, n what do they do???
Stay on benefits there whole life never working a days work.
I totally agree with this decision and hope they make it law.

[gripit]

Whatever anyone says, the world "DOES" have too many people living on it.
What is the amount?
Something shocking like 6 billion ppl, that figure as it is growing so rapidly is totally unsustainable.
And i also agree that the government should cap everyone to have 3 children only.
There simply is no need for any more.
There's people/families in the uk that have 20 children, yes 20 bleeding children, n what do they do???
Stay on benefits there whole life never working a days work.
I totally agree with this decision and hope they make it law.

You first.

[theciape]

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. There are vast areas of untapped land:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk

This doesn't mean that everyone will adapt. I will thrive in nature, many will perish on their couches watching static on their TVs
A happy ending to this mess does not equal a Disney Movie, Even if we have a global peaceful revolution, there will be enough people self-destructing to make it equally as messy as if we had the New World Order. Death is not Evil. Personally, I am dedicated to being of service to my loved ones with open hearts and open minds. But not everyone wants to be rid of this Synthetic Subversion. Some sheeple lovingly call it Society. And they will need tending to by all the survivors.

[endlessvista]

The broadcaster Sir David Attenborough has become a patron of a group seeking to cut the growth in human population

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996230.stm

Fucking NWO propgandist scumbag. Did he just happen to whip the random number of 500 million off the top of his head?

James Lovelock the inventor of global warming fantasy was on RTE radio this morning and it was mindblowing to listen too. He actually gave the answer of 500,000,000 million (the Georgia Guidestones number) as to the max number of humans the earth can sustain without destroying the planet. :eek:

Then when questioned about why Ireland and the UK have not seen his global warming he says "that's because the Gulf Stream has stopped (WTF!!!!) and our islands are too high above sea level to notice that ocean levels have risen worse than predicted" - it was groundless hysterical bullshit which he was inventing on the fly.

Mind you the pathetic radio host (Myles ________) did not challenge him by pointing out how come the nation of Holland and the city of Venice are not under this massive rise in sea level he claims has happened.

He also said something very crypic too that eugenics would not be needed as people are going to be dying young in their hundreds of millions soon and as a result won't be able to reproduced.:eek::eek:

But then Lovelock after screaming for his "culling of man" to save the planet then boasts that Richard Branson is going to let him go to space in his rocket for free. The interviewer actually engaged his brain and said "won't that produce masses of Co2?" and then Lovelock comes back with "I don't give a damn I am going to do it".

It was unreal. The grandfather of Carbon Taxes demostrating that the whole Global Warming/Climate Change con is not for him. Only us little people.

The RTE interviewer finishes with. "It was a great honour to meet you."

[mightiswrong]

I already addressed the overpopulation lie here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61021):

Check out the following figures:

Quote:
"The total land area of these 200 territories is 13,056 million hectares. Divided up equally that would be 2.1 hectares for each person. A hectare is 100 metres by 100 metres."
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=1

Now I do understand that not all of this land is habitable and that we should not turn over all the remaining wilderness to family food gardens/ forests. However these food gardens/ forests provide an ideal habitat for Man and a wide variety of animals and plants. Far better than the mono cultures and cities we have had in the past. Now let us consider a very conservative estimate.

If we take 1 quarter of the land mass which according to these figures is 3,264,000,000 hectares and we allocate it for family food gardens/ forrests suitable for an average family of size of 4 we could support a population of 4*3,264,000,000= 13,056,000,000.

That figure of 13 billion is more than double the current population so with the current population we would only use less than 1/8th of the total land mass for family food gardens/ forrests.


I have not taken into account surplus food from the domains or food from the rest of the land mass or oceans.

We can therefore see that overpopulation is a complete lie and that given the size of the population we cannot afford to continue with a policy of centralisation and dependence. It is far too risky.

Please sign the petition in my signature.


Your belief in overpopulation is an example of destructive thinking and a hatred of Man. Let's give people their kin's domains. The ability to sustain themselves. Let's take responsibility for our own destructive impact on our motherland and Man. Let's spread out. There's plenty of room and a bright future ahead. Look at the wonderful advantages of fresh-loving food:

Anastasia says that plants cultivated from seeds germinated and planted in this manner and eaten by the person who has grown them is capable of curing him of “any diseases of the flesh whatsoever but also of significantly retarding the aging process, rescuing him from harmful habits, tremendously increasing his mental abilities and giving him a sense of inner peace.”
http://www.anastasiasgarden.com/healinggardens/

[helloperator]

I think Bill Hicks was an advocate of some sort of population control.

Thhhhhhunk

Thhhhhhhhhunnnnk

TTThhhhhhhhunkkkkkkkk

;)

[gilly]

Fucking NWO propgandist scumbag. Did he just happen to whip the random number of 500 million off the top of his head?

James Lovelock the inventor of global warming fantasy was on RTE radio this morning and it was mindblowing to listen too. He actually gave the answer of 500,000,000 million (the Georgia Guidestones number) as to the max number of humans the earth can sustain without destroying the planet. :eek:

Then when questioned about why Ireland and the UK have not seen his global warming he says "that's because the Gulf Stream has stopped (WTF!!!!) and our islands are too high above sea level to notice that ocean levels have risen worse than predicted" - it was groundless hysterical bullshit which he was inventing on the fly.

Mind you the pathetic radio host (Myles ________) did not challenge him by pointing out how come the nation of Holland and the city of Venice are not under this massive rise in sea level he claims has happened.

He also said something very crypic too that eugenics would not be needed as people are going to be dying young in their hundreds of millions soon and as a result won't be able to reproduced.:eek::eek:

But then Lovelock after screaming for his "culling of man" to save the planet then boasts that Richard Branson is going to let him go to space in his rocket for free. The interviewer actually engaged his brain and said "won't that produce masses of Co2?" and then Lovelock comes back with "I don't give a damn I am going to do it".

It was unreal. The grandfather of Carbon Taxes demostrating that the whole Global Warming/Climate Change con is not for him. Only us little people.

The RTE interviewer finishes with. "It was a great honour to meet you."

Sickening c*nt - the interviewer should have verbally tied him up in knots and ordered him to leave the premisis.

[anthony65]

C'mon Anthony, don't mince words. Tell us what you 'really' think. :D

There's nothing more repulsive than the advocating of mass murder on the scale of billions wrapped up in the language of the overpopulation liars.

Gets on my tits, as you may have noticed.

The good thing is that their arguments are such a piss poor tissue of lies that the overpopulation myth can be pulled apart even easier than global warming.

Virtually all developed nations will experience a dramatic fall in population when the baby boomer generation fades away in 20 to 30 years time.

I posted a while ago with the birth statistics for Germany. From around 1.5 million per year in the early 60's to less than a million in the 70's and around 700 or 800 million now. The population development (without immigration) is so fucking obvious....

The population of the developed countries will pretty much halve by 2050 without immigration. Where is Attenborough's problem?

Or is he concerned about all the black and brown babies?

Is David Attenborough a racist, genocidal fuckwit?

Apparently so.

Overpopulation is not an issue.

Weather manipulation is an issue: Artificial drought. Flooding. Storm damage.

Geoengineering by the Dr Strangeloves is an issue.

GM crops are an issue. Same for GM livestock.

Pollution by the military industrial complex is an issue.

And my personal contribution to the overpopulation topic...

As always!

Ban Golf!

Golfclubs into plough shares!

We're supposed to be shitting ourselves about overpopulation, food shortages, water shortages and we allow so much land to be allotted to a bunch of wankers with no dress sense? :eek:

And all the pesticides they use to keep the grass green: How obscene! :mad:

[gilly]

There's nothing more repulsive than the advaocting of mass murder on the scale of billions wrapped up in the language of the overpopulation liars.

Gets on my tits, as you may have noticed.

The good thing is that their arguments are such a piss poor tissue of lies that the overpopulation myth can be pulled apart even easier than glbal warming.

Virtually all developed nations will experience a dramatic fall in population when the baby boomer generation fades away in 20 to 30 years time.

I posted a while ago with the birth statistics for Germany. From around 1.5 million per year in the early 60's to less than a million in the 70's and around 700 or 800 million now. The population development (without immigration) is so fucking obvious....

The popluation of the developed countries will pretty halveby 2050 without immigration. Where is Attenborough's problem?

Or is he concerned about all the black and brown babies?

Is David Attenborough a racist, genocidal fuckwit?

Apparently so.

Overpopulation is not an issue.

Weather manipulation is an issue: Artificial drought. Flooding. Storm damage.

Geoengineering by the Dr Strangeloves is an issue.

GM crops are an issue. Same for GM livestock.

Pollution by the military industrial complex is an issue.

And my personal contribution to the overpopulation topic...

As always!

Ban Golf!

Golfclubs into plough shares!

We're supposed to be shitting ourselves about overpopulation, food shortages, water shortages and we allow so much land to be allotted to a bunch of wankers with no dress sense? :eek:

And all the pesticides they use to keep the grass green: How obscene! :mad:

Hear hear! I also am getting weary of seeing people who should know better, fall for the lies of these psychopaths!

[anthony65]

Hear hear! I also am getting weary of seeing people who should know better, fall for the lies of these psychopaths!

Thanks Gilly!

I've corrected the typos! :o

[endlessvista]

Sickening c*nt - the interviewer should have verbally tied him up in knots and ordered him to leave the premisis.

We have to be careful of EVERYONE in the mainstream media and automatically suspect there is an agenda cloaked behind their message. Am I paranoid, Well yes, but that's from experience of seeing how many of them eventually showed their Illuminati credentials eventually and their apparent success in media had very little to do with their talent or ability.

If you look at all of Hollywood, BBC and so on its all filled with nepotism. The people who work in the BBC today are the grandsons and daughters of the ones who were there in the 1950's. Same for all mainstream media. Journalism is all familiy connections. This is why we should be vigilant - because it's a game most of us are not allowed to play. Isn't just about every person in the BBC even today graduates of Eton and other private schools?

Or am I being a "reverse snob" again and should be accepting the British class system which the fans of Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall on this board are stout defenders of. Sorry, not me. I am Irish, our ancestors burned the lords and ladies out of their manor houses in the 1920's and handed their land back over to the local poor. So forgive me for not relating to this mindset. Must be a cultural thing to want to tip one's cap while passing "Lord Fearnley Whittingstall" and so on. Forgive me for being a thick Paddy you lot who called me a bigot for not fawning over the organic-cress muching gentry.

With Lovelock and Attenborough, it's simply about slaughtering people whom they consider lessers. What they are really saying is "people are less important than insects" - when if they were real environmentalists they would see people as part of nature as well.

We are dealing with an elite who seem themselves as some sort of self-rightgous angelic beings and the rest of us as garbage who are not fit to live on "their" planet.

Agendas are hidden everywhere, in fact one would be hard pressed to find mainstream media story which is not hiding a dagger under their velvet cloaks. I now see that the reason behind gardening programmes such as Ground Force and Mr Gavin's bullshit is to destroy the food production of our backyards by filing them with worthless decking, water features and concrete.

On another thread a couple of posters lashed me out of it for me daring to question elitest wasterel Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall whose aristocratic family connections got him in media. But because he talks about "organic this and that" then he has to be one of us right? Well not really. I would question if his crusade against Battery Farming is more driven by his instictual blueblood needs to restrict food to the poor in the guise of him defending animal rights? If he cares so much about frugal living and animal welfare then why does he stuff the arse of goose with dozens of game hens for his "princely banquets"?

Bottom line is that everyone on TV is there because they play the game. As soon as they get on our side they get banished. Eg: David Belamy.

Like my granda always said. "You do not get to be Pope by being a saint"

[gilly]

I agree with everything you say - they're all CP too - but I dream that, just once, a person in the MSM, with a mic in his hand and a huge live audiance, would suddenly see the light & defect, and shout the right thing. (Actually DI fits the bill to an extent). Especially if he's interviewing some prominent bull merchant at the time!

I know he'd be labelled insane, but if he was a trusted celeb, & said the right things before they cut the broadcast, how many people would WAKE UP!

Then he could appear on EMTV (or whatever they've changed their name to) & back up what he'd said.

David Bellamy's one of my favourite people on earth! Where are all the other people with hearts, souls and balls?!?

[mightiswrong]

"On another thread a couple of posters lashed me out of it for me daring to question elitest wasterel Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall whose aristocratic family connections got him in media. But because he talks about "organic this and that" then he has to be one of us right? Well not really. I would question if his crusade against Battery Farming is more driven by his instictual blueblood needs to restrict food to the poor in the guise of him defending animal rights? If he cares so much about frugal living and animal welfare then why does he stuff the arse of goose with dozens of game hens for his "princely banquets"?"

The battery chickens are fed with GM soya from south America and cause great harm to Man. Far better to have chickens or ducks in ones garden or swop eggs for honey or apples etc. with ones neighbour. One of the things so amazing about the key related in the Ringing Cedars series regarding the healing properties of plants and their ability to speed up ones thinking, bring peace and longer life is that it drives a wedge thru class divisions. Whether you are 'working class', 'middle class' or 'upper class' you benefit from eating fresh-loving food from your garden and this key locks everyone to their space of love (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29488). Rich land owners gain nothing from keeping 70% of the UK land mass as subsidised monocultures. Only a lot of toyel and bother. Similarly if we lock voting to the posession of a family food garden we have a way to ensure good people get into government. It is basically game, set and match to family food gardens and then there is the children key (http://www.ringingcedars.co.uk/materials/book-6-chapter-1.pdf) which kind of makes everything a foregone conclusion. Oh how great it is. I can already hear the song of birds and see the future of the past (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56358). What a great idea it is to write our kin's books so that our decendents will have fair warning of the dangers of the technocratic system.

[hey_jude]

The culling is actually in full swing ...vaccines 12-25 from birth to age 2 with many boosters, GMO & Additives in foods, Pharmaceutical drugs especially ARVs, Statins, Diuretics and good old Chemotherapy!

[leviathanstaar]

You first Sir Attenborough.

Did you just blow your nose and toss a kleenex sir?

I'm afraid the IMF will need 50 cents for that sir.

Where will the money go? will it actually erase the footprint of the kleenex?
No...but....thats too many questions sir take a vaccine please.

[hey_jude]

The culling is actually in full swing ...vaccines 12-25 from birth to age 2 with many boosters, GMO & Additives in foods, Pharmaceutical drugs especially ARVs, Statins, Diuretics and good old Chemotherapy!

Add to this ...Chemtrails & BioAttacks!

[gilly]

Add to this ...Chemtrails & BioAttacks!

...and Codex. I think there are still a lot of people, even on this forum, who don't yet realise just how deadly Codex will be. :(