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The majority of Britons believe in heaven and life after death, new research suggests. The survey of 2,060 people showed 55% believe in heaven, while 53% believe in life after death and 70% believe in the human soul.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996187.stm
Doesn't surprise me at all. I've long noticed that myself about many who may claim to dismiss all religions or even new age things as nonsense. In reality, they pick what they want and leave the rest behind. "Don't worry, daddy has gone to a better place" or "I know she's up there somewhere, looking down upon me and smiling" and that kind of thing popping up in people's speech.
We can't really be classed as a Christian nation anymore. But the traces of Christianity run deep in people's minds, especially in behaviour of certain generations. Less so with the current batch though, I'd suggest. The holding onto ideas of heaven or after life are understandable. It's simply a fear of death or the consolation that such an idea gives people if relatives have died, that makes many cling onto that one while rejecting the rest of it all.
But I do find it amusing when people will write off all religion yet are still cherishing certain ideas. Of course nowadays it's not easy to determine "Briton", so how was this poll done. Muslims in this country would of course believe in an afterlife. So, who were they asking in this poll? Anyway......
belial
13-04-2009, 01:46 PM
I don't trust anything the BBC says... a survey of some 2,000+ is supposed to represent the whole UK population? Knowing the BBC/Government: they probably interviewed 2,000+ muslims/immigrants (I cannot prove that fact, but who on this forum can prove me wrong???).
Especially when you factor in the fact that the BBC *IS* the NuLiarBore government/press-office, then this story has even less credibility.
rhydra
13-04-2009, 01:53 PM
It is probably deliberately manipulated, people sitting outside or in the vicinity of churches, mosques etc, put the seed into people's minds that being religious is a more normal thing to do, follow the flock people, be guided, don't worry about that high cliff, if the worst should happen, there's always heaven.
Well like I say, how they went about doing the Poll I don't know and also mistrust. I'm just using it as a stepping stone to my own observations how many bring up religious concepts in their speech in daily life while claiming they don't believe in any of it.
element
13-04-2009, 01:54 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996187.stm
Doesn't surprise me at all. I've long noticed that myself about many who may claim to dismiss all religions or even new age things as nonsense. In reality, they pick what they want and leave the rest behind. "Don't worry, daddy has gone to a better place" or "I know she's up there somewhere, looking down upon me and smiling" and that kind of thing popping up in people's speech.
We can't really be classed as a Christian nation anymore. But the traces of Christianity run deep in people's minds, especially in behaviour of certain generations. Less so with the current batch though, I'd suggest. The holding onto ideas of heaven or after life are understandable. It's simply a fear of death or the consolation that such an idea gives people if relatives have died, that makes many cling onto that one while rejecting the rest of it all.
But I do find it amusing when people will write off all religion yet are still cherishing certain ideas. Of course nowadays it's not easy to determine "Briton", so how was this poll done. Muslims in this country would of course believe in an afterlife. So, who were they asking in this poll? Anyway......
Sorry but many things asked in the 'poll' are not necessarily Christian. The article also said many people have diverse and unorthodox views.
How many people hold on to such beliefs because of fear of 'death'..? That's an interpretation I see many times, but the stumbling block is that many people can experience things beyond this 'reality'. And many just interpreted these experiences with the 'religion'..it's not the opposite way.
element
13-04-2009, 01:56 PM
Well like I say, how they went about doing the Poll I don't know and also mistrust. I'm just using it as a stepping stone to my own observations how many bring up religious concepts in their speech in daily life while claiming they don't believe in any of it.
Many people do, but the norm these days is to keep it hidden behind doors.
Many people believe all kind of things, and experience all kind of things, but society has programmed us to fear the ridicule.
Many people do, but the norm these days is to keep it hidden behind doors..
Yes I'd agree that is certainly one element of it.
follz20
13-04-2009, 03:19 PM
If they do, it's only because of one thing: fear
lottie
13-04-2009, 03:30 PM
To me that poll showed nothing to do with religion it was to do with the paranormal!! But i agree- many people do love to believe in heaven when they actually have no belief in religion. Like you say hand picking the 'good bits' because it suits.
To me that poll showed nothing to do with religion it was to do with the paranormal!!
Yeah, I guess that is more accurate.
But i agree- many people do love to believe in heaven when they actually have no belief in religion. Like you say hand picking the 'good bits' because it suits.
And because the heaven thing is a given. Other aspects of formal religion require a certain moderation of behaviour and living up to ideals, and I don't think most are interested in that. Many seem to want to feel they'll live on in some form after physical death,but don't want to be bound by behaviour boundarys :)
lottie
13-04-2009, 03:45 PM
And because the heaven thing is a given. Other aspects of formal religion require a certain moderation of behaviour and living up to ideals, and I don't think most are interested in that. Many seem to want to feel they'll live on in some form after physical death,but don't want to be bound by behaviour boundarys :)
Absolubtely!! :)
Its far easier to live with the Crowley 'Do as thou wilt'...attitude than conform to some smaller restrictions in order to benefit in the longterm... people forget we are only here a short time (80 odd years)and imo its a test...it may seem unfair but what is promised at the end of the test is far more amazing (so much so its incomprehendable) and wonderful than this life. But people prefer to believe in the abscense of God not because they truly believe it but because they want to believe it!! It means they can justify a life of over indulgence, doing as you please, answering to no-one, having a large ego, bad behaviour, selfishness, ungratefulness etc etc... God forbid anyone be grateful to their creator i mean most people arnt even grateful to their parents let alone their true creator. Whats the problem with gratitude? is it not a worthy emotion? :confused:
And even if for instance there was no God and no promised heaven at the end of it...is it so bad that you lived a good life? a life of gratitude and conformity? its not even the blink of an eye if you take away the concept of time is it not?
oiram
13-04-2009, 03:57 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996187.stm
It's simply a fear of death or the consolation that such an idea gives people if relatives have died, that makes many cling onto that one while rejecting the rest of it all.
..
Let's put it this way if you have a nice tasty cake in front of you & on one corner you have ten flies stucked to it would you eat the entire cake with everything on it?
In my case I cut the flies with the cake part off & eat the rest.
But there are some people or even blind people which will eat the lot.
So what's wrong with flies or lies?
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In my case I cut the flies with the cake part off & eat the rest..
What part of the cake did you eat, Oiram?
oiram
13-04-2009, 04:21 PM
What part of the cake did you eat, Oiram?
Have a good guess ... http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/Die_Lol.gif
Have a good guess ... http://waronyou.com/forums/Smileys/default/Die_Lol.gif
Lounging on soft pillows amongst nubile virgins in paradise? :confused: :D
element
13-04-2009, 05:30 PM
To me that poll showed nothing to do with religion it was to do with the paranormal!! But i agree- many people do love to believe in heaven when they actually have no belief in religion. Like you say hand picking the 'good bits' because it suits.
Why should we? We can think for ourselves and don't have to take all religious things and teachings for granted. It can perfectly be true religions hold good and bad values. You don't have to believe in a 'religion' to believe in a 'heaven'..the known religions are not very old, I wonder where they got all their stuff from! :eek:;)
bobhodge
13-04-2009, 05:39 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7996187.stm
Doesn't surprise me at all. I've long noticed that myself about many who may claim to dismiss all religions or even new age things as nonsense. In reality, they pick what they want and leave the rest behind. "Don't worry, daddy has gone to a better place" or "I know she's up there somewhere, looking down upon me and smiling" and that kind of thing popping up in people's speech.
one day the people of england will finally realize that reptiles from another dimension are trying to takeover the world and only then can we achieve peace and harmony as a species. i hope our leader david icke is chosen to be president of this new world order. perhaps as his loyal followers and disciples we can be given special positions.
element
13-04-2009, 05:40 PM
one day the people of england will finally realize that reptiles from another dimension are trying to takeover the world and only then can we achieve peace and harmony as a species. i hope our leader david icke is chosen to be president of this new world order. perhaps as his loyal followers and disciples we can be given special positions.
:D
one day the people of england will finally realize that reptiles from another dimension are trying to takeover the world and only then can we achieve peace and harmony as a species. i hope our leader david icke is chosen to be president of this new world order. perhaps as his loyal followers and disciples we can be given special positions.
ICKE AKBAR!!!! ICKE AKBAR!!
And to all the Kuffar (unbelievers) may they wallow in their diseased joy :mad::p
dreamweaver
13-04-2009, 06:00 PM
I don't trust anything the BBC says... a survey of some 2,000+ is supposed to represent the whole UK population?
Depends how it's done. A truly representative sample of 2,000 people would easily represent the whole UK population, accurate to within plus or minus 3%. It depends on whether the pollsters used properly weighted samples - and the wording of questions is important too.
It's not "the BBC says" in this case anyway. It's this Theos "think tank" (that's such a stupid term, isn't it?) which commissioned the survey, the BBC is merely reporting on it.
It doesn't surprise me at all that a majority of people still believe in heaven after being indoctrinated in religious bullshit since birth. To only get 55% after a lifetime of brainwashing people is an epic fail for the religionists in my view. :)
It doesn't surprise me at all that a majority of people still believe
in heaven after being indoctrinated in religious bullshit since birth.
How can you be sure there isnt? Nobody can say either way,if they're honest.
It doesn't bother me if there is or isn't,and I wouldn't claim to know either way.
belial
13-04-2009, 06:11 PM
Depends how it's done. A truly representative sample of 2,000 people would easily represent the whole UK population, accurate to within plus or minus 3%. It depends on whether the pollsters used properly weighted samples - and the wording of questions is important too.
It's not "the BBC says" in this case anyway. It's this Theos "think tank" (that's such a stupid term, isn't it?) which commissioned the survey, the BBC is merely reporting on it.
It doesn't surprise me at all that a majority of people still believe in heaven after being indoctrinated in religious bullshit since birth. To only get 55% after a lifetime of brainwashing people is an epic fail for the religionists in my view. :)
They don't call the [B]ritish [B]ullshit [C]orporation.. funded by the mafia enforced 'TV Licence' scam... for nothing :)
lottie
13-04-2009, 06:20 PM
Why should we? We can think for ourselves and don't have to take all religious things and teachings for granted. It can perfectly be true religions hold good and bad values. You don't have to believe in a 'religion' to believe in a 'heaven'..the known religions are not very old, I wonder where they got all their stuff from! :eek:;)
Thats the wonderful thing about freewill, you dont have to!! But you have been given the information, if you chose not to believe it- so be it, deal with the concequences whatever they be. ;)
They don't call the [b]ritish [b]ullshit [C]orporation......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74H2zSwJZ0
Oh sorry. I was trying Beeb brainwashing on you. The Good Baron said it would work :o
element
13-04-2009, 06:30 PM
Thats the wonderful thing about freewill, you dont have to!! But you have been given the information, if you chose not to believe it- so be it, deal with the concequences whatever they be. ;)
You don't have to believe in 'books' if you can experience truth yourself.
'Heaven' for example is just a word for an supernatural utopia, I'm sure the concept already existed before the monotheistic religions, like many other concepts. One can experience certain states or places and call this 'heaven'..for a lack of words. It doesn't mean all Britons are influenced by Christianity, it simply means many people possibly identify with the word, cause it's common. The word itself isn't copyrighted by a religion.
belial
13-04-2009, 06:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74H2zSwJZ0
Oh sorry. I was trying Beeb brainwashing on you. The Good Baron said it would work :o
So you like the BBC then?
Your post was a bit vague.
Clarification please :)
metacomet
13-04-2009, 06:38 PM
Damnit, people:
Consciousness surviving death is not a religious concept .
It is an observable fact .
We are in the age of ILLUSION and DELUSION where the simplest truths are mocked and ridiculed.
I don't care whether anyone believes in God, the Bible, the Quran etc. Human beings have been going to the 'other side' and coming back since the beginning of time. Human beings have been observing 'hauntings' and consciousness outside their own dimension for just as long (UFO's, Ghosts, etc.)
Heaven is only the most recognizable concept for life after death so this is the word that's used and all I hear is "Bah... just more Christian Religious nonsense."
They have you fooled :mad: They have so many of you fooled so well .
lottie
13-04-2009, 06:42 PM
You don't have to believe in 'books' if you can experience truth yourself.
'Heaven' for example is just a word for an supernatural utopia, I'm sure the concept already existed before the monotheistic religions, like many other concepts. One can experience certain states or places and call this 'heaven'..for a lack of words. It doesn't mean all Britons are influenced by Christianity, it simply means many people possibly identify with the word, cause it's common. The word itself isn't copyrighted by a religion.
Its not just 'books' its a belief system... it was around a long time before 'books' aswell!! but you know your own truth...live it but be prepared to deal with the concequences if you are wrong!!
belial
13-04-2009, 06:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74H2zSwJZ0
Oh sorry. I was trying Beeb brainwashing on you. The Good Baron said it would work :o
Oh sorry...
If you are going to quote me... then quote me in full :)
"They don't call the [b]ritish [b]ullshit [C]orporation.. funded by the mafia enforced 'TV Licence' scam... for nothing "
belial
13-04-2009, 06:55 PM
Damnit, people:
Consciousness surviving death is not a religious concept .
It is an observable fact .
We are in the age of ILLUSION and DELUSION where the simplest truths are mocked and ridiculed.
I don't care whether anyone believes in God, the Bible, the Quran etc. Human beings have been going to the 'other side' and coming back since the beginning of time. Human beings have been observing 'hauntings' and consciousness outside their own dimension for just as long (UFO's, Ghosts, etc.)
Heaven is only the most recognizable concept for life after death so this is the word that's used and all I hear is "Bah... just more Christian Religious nonsense."
They have you fooled :mad: They have so many of you fooled so well .
Hmmm... I relish death and relish being 'released'.
Well said.