Zionist Jews Sacrifice Babies for Satan:On Oprah

[chris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah4oe5CSDQI

[tejas]

True say bruther!

[voodoo]

Would like to see the whole recording of this show.

[ronisron]

There are also Christian families who do the same, atheists, etc. It all comes back to Molech, and when they used to demand your first born for sacrifice. They can't do that anymore, so they lure your children to Satanism through music and Hollywood -- how many kids go to LA every year and just disappear? They kidnap children right out of their yards and homes that are never seen again and put their pics on milk cartons and at the post offices to spread more fear. How these kids go missing so easily and so competely also suggests there is complicity from the police, newspapers and courts and higher ups in the education systems. There are also people who will do anything for social position and material gain.

Sick bastards, very defective units. So shortsighted; all of this to maintain some BS stronghold in the "here" and "now". A very small, lowly vibrating force of negative energy that will self implode given the chance.

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Bear in mind that she admits she has multiple personality disorder.

[ronisron]

Bear in mind that she admits she has multiple personality disorder.

A lot of severely abused children develop this syndrome. It is a result of your mind protecting you from something horrible by locking the thought away in a "safe" place. It's like people who have been attacked, or in a serious car accident. They remember driving along.... then they woke up in the hospital. Kids who are severely abused wind up with so many of these thoughts being locked away that they sometimes lose sense of time and themselves. A lot of people who have "repressed" memories of horrible things tend to have these things come back on them later in life.

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And the 'possibility' at least of false memorys too, perhaps.

[betha]

A lot of severely abused children develop this syndrome. It is a result of your mind protecting you from something horrible by locking the thought away in a "safe" place. It's like people who have been attacked, or in a serious car accident. They remember driving along.... then they woke up in the hospital. Kids who are severely abused wind up with so many of these thoughts being locked away that they sometimes lose sense of time and themselves. A lot of people who have "repressed" memories of horrible things tend to have these things come back on them later in life.
It is the only way, they can live their life further. We are like computers, so when something bad happens like virus or in this case sick rituals or whatever we could have a system breakdown, or we can storage it somewhere else locked it up, and keep it away from daily memory. But there is always someone who has the password aka trigger word ... :(

[ronisron]

And the 'possibility' at least of false memorys too, perhaps.

Absolutely. But to dismiss "all" over "some" isn't necessarily a good idea here. A for instance;

2 of my best friends growing up had been drugged and raped by a school teacher when they were boys, both 14. They had a teacher in junior high school (Grades 7-9, this happened in Grade 9 when they were both 14) who was known to be "cool" and would invite a select few (kids who were already drinking and experimenting with pot) over to his apartment, all secretly, to drink, listen to music, and get high. He also had a local young nympho there for encouragement too. They, and a number of other kids, all had experiences with this man over the course of a few months, where nothing happened. He was a bit of an urban legend. One night, they were invited over to "party", and found it was just them, and the teacher. They drank whiskey, and both said they had gotten much more drunk than they should have, considering the amount they had consumed. They woke up at his place in the morning. Both were naked, one on the couch, one in his bed with him, and he was naked too. The one in the bed woke up and was like "WTF??" very upset. The teacher assured them "nothing had happened", and both kept it to themselves for a couple of years, then described the story to myself and a couple of friends verbatim as I did above. They told me, but I was all of 17 or 18, and didn't make any connections because I had no experience or understanding to compare it to....we all concluded that the teacher was a "weirdo" and left it at that.

20 years after the fact and they were remembering detail... one friend was trying to get the other to go to a lawyer, call the police, but the other wanted nothing to do with digging it up. One discussed "detail" with me when I asked as I was concerned for them... they both remembered this guy having sex with them and being powerless to do anything -- they were aware, but couldn't react. So I said "drunker than they should've gotten maybe meant you were drugged..." they agreed. They also failed to mention at the time that they had both had soreness and a little bit of blood in their anuses, and both had "forgotten" it over time....they are both still periodically beating themselves up over this, from my own end I told them that at 14, they knew no better and were the victims of an obviously experienced predator who had gained their trust. Seems a small consolation. I will gladly post the teacher's name, which school and when he taught.

That's a for instance on how certain things can be repressed, then remembered later. As for false memories, I had a very strange experience with false memory myself when I was around 26 and living in Vancouver, BC. Over the course of a few different nights, I had dreams about doing something very horrible to a female person in my youth. I would dream this horrible scenario, wake up in the dream telling myself it was only a dream, only to discover it wasn't a dream, then wake up in a dream again, maybe 4 different levels to this dream within a dream. I would wake up in the morning feeling awful, and really questioning whether I was remembering something I had buried in my sub mind. As I said, I had a few nights like this over a couple of weeks. I went to friend of mine and told her what I was experiencing, and also after wracking my brain I determined that I had done nothing-- but why these dreams? She said simply "Someone is trying to drive you crazy, and this seems like hypnosis or some kind of spell." I couldn't think of anyone specific, I've never been into wicca or anything, or hung out with people who openly were. But after talking about it with her, and really determining that I had done nothing, these "dreams" went away.

So I've dealt with both repressed and false memories in my own experience, and dismissing all this kind of info because some may be untrue, or sensationalized, doesn't seem like the right course.

[runciter]

Bear in mind that she admits she has multiple personality disorder.

it is a consequence of severe trauma and abuse, that's what she talks about.

[runciter]

And the 'possibility' at least of false memorys too, perhaps.

and the possibility at least that she was telling a true story of sabbatean frankist rituals.

ok, you're suggesting that it isn't true.

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and the possibility at least that she was telling a true story of sabbatean frankist rituals. ok, you're suggesting that it isn't true.

The posibility exists that she was telling the truth about some form of abuse that occured in what happened to be a Jewish family. That is all we're got to go on, really. At no stage (at least from my watch of the video) does she mention anything of Sabbatean or Frankists, I'd remind you. You're adding what you 'want' to add, to her words. Note also that the original poster of that video (not of the thread) titled their video "Zionist Jews Sacrifice Babies for Satan", and not once was the word Zionism even mentioned in the video.

So, where did they get all that from aye? If the poster of the video had put "Jews Sacrifice Babies for Satan" then it's going back to medeival rumour mongering about Jews again. But the pre-fix "Zionist" seems to make it alright, even though not once was the word Zionism mentioned in the video.

It's the same on this website.

If somebody wants to 'really' have a go at Jews in some form, then simply add the prefix 'Zionist' and find plenty of sympathy because Zionist is political and seen as fair game. It's amazing how one word can turn people.

I'd like to refer you to the tags the video uploader put on their video

Oprah Winfrey Israel Palestine Gaza Zionists jews Islam Islamists Allah God Christian Jesus kill death Satan Worship Illuminatti Sacrifice Babies freemason bohemian grove nwo New World Order Evil Jews Alex jones David murder Aleister Crowley Satanic baby blood jew funny prank call 911 77 truth Iraq Iran Lebanon mahdy mahdi arrivals anti Christ 2012 Armageddon bali bush obama Hussein Mohammad

I think that uploader has already made up their mind, dont you? :p

it is a consequence of severe trauma and abuse, that's what she talks about.

Of trauma and abuse, yes it is seems that is what leads to it. But that has occured within Jewish Families, Amish families, Hindu families, Muslim families, atheist families, and all manner of familys. Physical or Sexual. Doctors aren't in total agreement on the causes, from my reading on it. On the video the girl says she has blocked out many of the memories of her childhood.

Yet, conveniently she remembers specific details about all of this and chooses to run with those. If she has blocked out many memories of her childhood, then there is nothing there. She can't be aware of memories that she can't remember. Or more accurately, she can't just 'assume' that gaps of time where she has no memory, are of something horrific. Playing that game is dangerous. If she has gone through hypnotic regression then that is increasingly seen as very unreliable and flawed, as learned information over the years can taint anything brought up, and impose itself on the gaps.

She mentions recently reading a book called Lillith's cave, and imposes that onto it all. In times of great unknown, people look for comfort in a mass agreement. If people have lost gaps of time in memory, 1 person out there saying they were abducted by greys and experimented on is likely to have a domino effect on many others struggling with blank memory. It makes them fill in the gaps with the explanation of abduction by greys and experiments.

[runciter]

The posibility exists that she was telling the truth about some form of abuse that occured in what happened to be a Jewish family. That is all we're got to go on, really. At no stage (at least from my watch of the video) does she mention anything of Sabbatean or Frankists, I'd remind you. You're adding what you 'want' to add, to her words. Note also that the original poster of that video (not of the thread) titled their video "Zionist Jews Sacrifice Babies for Satan", and not once was the word Zionism even mentioned in the video.

So, where did they get all that from aye? If the poster of the video had put "Jews Sacrifice Babies for Satan" then it's going back to medeival rumour mongering about Jews again. But the pre-fix "Zionist" seems to make it alright, even though not once was the word Zionism mentioned in the video.


the medieval rumor was true, according to jewish historian ariel toaff.

yes i add sabbatean frankist, and kabbalist, because it's what i believe they are.

they probably perceive themselves as real jews, but i suppose there are non-sabbatean jews.

[runciter]

Yet, conveniently she remembers specific details about all of this and chooses to run with those. If she has blocked out many memories of her childhood, then there is nothing there. She can't be aware of memories that she can't remember. Or more accurately, she can't just 'assume' that gaps of time where she has no memory, are of something horrific. Playing that game is dangerous.


sadly, kabbalistic mind control isn't perfect, "playing that game" is dangerous for the elite.

"there is nothing", "she can't be aware", she can't do this & she can't do that, she "imposes".

[runciter]

Incest Survivor Exposed Illuminati Satanists

March 31, 2009
by Henry Makow Ph.D.

On May 1, 1989, a "nice Jewish girl", age 29, appeared on the Oprah Show and said her family was part of a Satanic cult that dates back to the 1700's.

Although they appear to be upstanding citizens --lawyers, doctors, police officers etc.-- they engage in Satanic ritual human sacrifice, incest and cannibalism, often in synagogues. They drink blood and eat babies.

She is describing the Illuminati which originated in the Frankist Movement in the Eighteenth century. Jacob Frank, born Jacob Leibowitz (1726-1791) led a major Satanic heresy that shook the Jewish world. They believed that the Messiah would return if the world went over to evil completely, so they encouraged all sexual licence and Satanic Evil as the ultimate Good. Financed by the Frankist Rothschild banking syndicate, they subverted all religions and national elites by assuming every religious and political hue. They took over Freemasonry and are now in the final stage of establishing their world government a.k.a "globalization."

The abuse Polin suffered is a textbook example of how Illuminati families --Jews and non-Jews-- treat their children. George W. Bush and Barack Obama may have suffered similar trauma and, (like Polin,) have multiple personality disorder. Vicki is from Chicago and there is no telling how many Chicagoans surrounding Barack Obama are part of this Satanic cult.

THE OPRAH INTERVIEW

Polin told Oprah that she witnessed babies sacrificed and consumed for the "power" this gave. These babies are bred within the extended family for this purpose. She said she was raped several times, and elsewhere says she had five abortions due to intercourse with her father.

Polin said her family was "extremely involved" in these practices. Her mother is "on the human relations commission of the town that she lives in, and she's an upstanding citizen. Nobody would suspect her. Nobody would suspect anybody involved in it. There's police officers involved in it. There's, you know, doctors, lawyers..."

"I mean, to the outside world, everything we did was proper and right, and then there were the nights that things changed, that things just got turned around. What was wrong was right, and what was right was wrong. That's what helps to create some of them to develop MPD."

Polin's therapist, Tina Grossman was on the show but edited out of the YouTube. She told Oprah that she had treated over 40 survivors from many states and Canada. They have never met each other yet say the "identical same things."

Ms. GROSSMAN: They are describing identical rituals, just the same as, since I'm Jewish, you could go to New York or California and describe a seder in one state or another and, as a Jew, you would recognize it. This is the belief system in evil and the power that evil gives you, and so it has these certain rituals, so they are very similar with all of the survivors.

OPRAH: See, but I am very surprised because the Jewish faith is the Jewish faith. and worshipping the devil is not a part of the Jewish faith. I mean, Jewish people do not worship the devil.

Ms. GROSSMAN: But before there was Christ and before there was a system of one God, there was Paganism- and it still exists in the world, and in many cultures, you still find the belief that there is strength and power in the actual consumption of human flesh or animal flesh.

AFTERMATH

In spite of the fact that both Vicki and Oprah said many times this behavior was not typical of most Jews, the B'nai B'rith-ADL attacked the show as "anti-Semitic." Oprah did her penance and obviously has been forgiven. Vicki was stopped on the street and told her testimony would start "another holocaust." Vicki's response was that denying these crimes was akin to holocaust denial. In July of 1989, she penned this statement and sent it to all concerned:

"Our society believes the myth that Jews can't be pedophiles, or abuse their own children. This is a "MYTH," they do abuse children. There are even those who practice cannibalism, and perform human sacrifices. Believe me I saw it with my own eyes. I've come to the point in my life where I feel I need to bear witness. I have and will continue to until I'm sure what I had to endure as a child is believed by you and others like you. I will do whatever is possible so what happened to me doesn't happen to anyone else!"

Vicki became a therapist herself, moved to Baltimore and opened a practice. She has articles about the Frankists on her website. I attempted to contact her without success. But I found an extensive profile with interviews on Luke Ford's website. Included is an Affidavit from a rabbi Vicki contacted in 2004 regarding an exorcism of her cult upbringing. She described their evil ANTI-RELIGIOUS, ANTI JEWISH intent to him in these terms:

"The essence of her story was that there are currently many rabbis involved in this cult who brought their satanic rituals with them to the USA from Europe. That she was born into one of the Jewish families owing allegiance to the cult. She claimed to have been used as part of an organized child sexual abuse ring organized by the rabbi of her synagogue, and that the sexual abuse took place on Sifrei Torah Scrolls laid out on the floor of the synagogue. That the abuse began in early childhood and continued over a period of many years, through her teen years and into adulthood, and that she was only one of the many young children, boys and girls used in this manner. I did not ask for specifics of the rituals but she mentioned cannibalism, defecation and the sacrilege of sacred objects."

CONCLUSION

A friend believes that the Illuminati want power but he can't believe they worship Satan and eat babies. I certainly wouldn't invent such an implausible scenario. As J. Edgar Hoover said, "We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." (Elks Magazine, August 1956.)

People like my friend have little knowledge of history. Does he really think over 180 million people could be massacred in the 20th century merely by accident? Hiroshima, the holodomor, the holocaust and 9-11 were the products of a single Satanic mindset. Does he think the steady decline of popular culture into degeneracy and obscenity is a coincidence? Does he think the gradual mainstreaming of incest, homosexuality, pederasty and the occult is random? Does he think the destruction of higher education (in the humanities) and the family is coincidence too? (Forty per cent of US kids were born to single mothers in 2007 compared to 4% in the 1950's.) Mankind is in the thrall of a powerful Satanic cult intent on destroying and enslaving it.

As the therapist Grossman said, Vicki's claims are corroborated by many others. I have reported on them in articles like "Illuminati Sex Slaves Paint Horrifying Picture;" "The Root Problem: Illuminati or Jews?" and "Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy." I have an audio interview with Mary Anne on my site which refers to human sacrifices eight times a year. Both Svali and Fritz Springmeier have described Illuminati trauma brainwashing and satanic rituals. These activities are also practised by high level Masons and members of intelligence agencies like MI-5 and MI-6.

As long as we deny that society has been subverted by a Satanic cult, that our leaders are dupes or agents, we won't be able to address our predicament. As long as we smear truth tellers like Vicki Polin, we will either implicate ourselves, or continue to be accomplices in our own demise.

The logical outcome of this demented ideology is the destruction of everything we hold dear.
Obviously society needs a major cleansing but this won't happen as long as the levers of power are in Illuminati hands and the masses remain apathetic. Hopefully the economic crisis will alert many more people to the danger we all face.

http://www.henrymakow.com/incest_survivor_lifted_veil_on.html

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the medieval rumor was true, according to jewish historian ariel toaff.


Toaff didn't rule out the possibility. That is not saying - "It was true"

Furthermore, he clarified his position in a later edition (source (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/957357.html))

Not ruling out the 'possibility' was perhaps being more 'honest' than stating categorically that something did or didn't happen or that certain people did it or not do this or that.

Because nobody can know for sure what did or didn't happen way back in medeival times, without evidence. But, it's a very dangerous game to play given the long history of rumour mongering against Jews by paranoid Christians, and the continued use of it today in order not just to tarnish Jews but to use it against Zionism (as that video uploader did) and connect it to baby killing and all manner of things.

Hence, it doesn't surprise me that people asked him to clarify his position on it. Otherwise the case of a Jew being wishy washy on the subject leads to folks like yourself leaping on it and using it on forums in a - "Look. A Jew says it happened, so there you go...straight from the horses mouth".

[runciter]

Toaff didn't rule out the possibility. That is not saying - "It was true"

Furthermore, he clarified his position in a later edition (source (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/957357.html))


his book was withdrawn a few days after the publication, in my country.

i'm sure his subsequent moves were completely spontaneous, not influenced.

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Although they appear to be upstanding citizens --lawyers, doctors, police officers etc.-- they engage in
Satanic ritual human sacrifice, incest and cannibalism, often in synagogues. They drink blood and eat babies.

Allegedly.

"Our society believes the myth that Jews can't be pedophiles, or abuse their own children.

Sure, the possibility exists. But look where it led when Jews were mentioned. It led to a video being put up on YouTube with the pre-fix "Zionist", tags with middle eastern politics, referrals to all kinds of other popular conspiracys, and the video itself was later used on this website under the same prefix.

There are even those who practice cannibalism, and perform
human sacrifices. Believe me I saw it with my own eyes.

I saw Lord Lucan last week. Honestly, I saw him before my own eyes.
Of course, people are free to consider that I might just be delusional.

As long as we smear truth tellers like Vicki Polin

I can point you to a man on YouTube with a series of videos claiming with absolute sincerity that the British government has a fleet of helicopters hovering over his house in a specific formation for 24 hours, day and night, using mind disruptive beams on him. I can also point you to the videos of a man called David Shayler who is convinced he is the Messiah, and was once Lawrence of Arabia and several other famous historical personalitys. All manner of people out there have quite fantastic stories to tell. They may be truthfull, or they may be mentally ill to varying degrees. What many of them tend to lack, is solid evidence. In a phase of our history where people don't trust many things anymore, people are embracing all kinds of stories. One thing unites all the "truth tellers" though. All seem convinced themselves that what they are saying is true, and plenty of followers become convinced by that conviction (especially if it fits with their existing political world view) . It doesn't make what they are saying, true. But as far as the "truth teller" is concerned, it is true.

[runciter]

Sure, the possibility exists. But look where it led when Jews were mentioned.

it led to your intervention in this thread... ?

seriously, i can understand skepticism, but i'm inclined to believe it's all true.

i have no reason to dismiss such claims only because jews (sabbateans, kabbalists) are involved.

[angel wings]

This is also posted here

Child Sacrifice on Oprah
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55802

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it led to your intervention in this thread... ?

but i'm inclined to believe it's all true.

I'm more inclined to believe that something nasty probably took place in her childhood (physical abuse, possibly even sexual abuse....which has happened in all manner of families of faith or no faith), but that it has probably been distorted over time with the gaps being filled in by fantasy, to make it much more connected with faith than it was.

We don't know at what stage she started reading books like the one she mentioned at the end. Psychiatrists mention that when it comes to early abuse and the years following it, our minds can fill in the big gaps with 'aqquired' models (which is why I mentioned the greys and experimentation thing).

Add to this, her admission of multiple personality disorder and memory failure, and the lack of any evidence (which I do think it very important if we're going to follow the - "Innocent until proven guilty" and not the other way around) and there are more reason to be more skeptical than embracing.

It's also how it has been picked up and run with by people like the video uploader, adding Zionist to it where there is no mention of that all in the video. If people can run with that without being challenged, then I do think it can lead to horrible things. We have all these fantastic rumours about Jews from history, yet no evidence. People may have been burned at the stake in the past, but centuries later are we going to believe the word of medeival authoritys and their track record of not needing anything but a neigbours suspicion to burn people, to make up our minds about claims made today?

Just a thought :)

[father ted]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah4oe5CSDQI

Wow,
whenever I see these things the very first question that comes into my mind is why are they showing this on tv?! To see/get an idea what the public reaction might be?

[runciter]

I'm more inclined to believe that something nasty probably took place in her childhood (physical abuse, possibly even sexual abuse....which has happened in all manner of families of faith or no faith), but that it has probably been distorted over time with the gaps being filled in by fantasy, to make it much more connected with faith than it was.

We don't know at what stage she started reading books like the one she mentioned at the end. Psychiatrists mention that when it comes to early abuse and the years following it, our minds can fill in the big gaps with 'aqquired' models (which is why I mentioned the greys and experimentation thing).

Add to this, her admission of multiple personality disorder and memory failure, and the lack of any evidence (which I do think it very important if we're going to follow the - "Innocent until proven guilty" and not the other way around) and there are more reason to be more skeptical than embracing.

It's also how it has been picked up and run with by people like the video uploader, adding Zionist to it where there is no mention of that all in the video. If people can run with that without being challenged, then I do think it can lead to horrible things. We have all these fantastic rumours about Jews from history, yet no evidence. People may have been burned at the stake in the past, but centuries later are we going to believe the word of medeival authoritys and their track record of not needing anything but a neigbours suspicion to burn people, to make up our minds about claims made today?

Just a thought :)

there is a huge cover up on "satanic ritual abuse" stories, and many psychiatrists are connivent with the elite.

the sabbatean frankist heresy is the key to understand the "illuminati" imo, and it's a bit more real than the greys.

on zionism: i think it's a messianic movement in disguise, led by the direct descendants of sabbetai (the rothschilds).

[ronisron]

I also have trouble with the heading of this thread, which is why I said that it's not just Jewish families who do this, there are Christian, Atheist, Jehovah's Witnesses.... it ultimately doesn't matter what religion you pretend to follow if the real aim of your life is to serve Molech. The religion you show to your friends and neighbors is just your front. The fact that the woman in question is Jewish doesn't make it more compelling; it's the story she tells of her own experience, in her own family.

[marpat]

Just some questions about the vid.

1) Is she really Jewish or is she just making a claim to demonise them?

2) If she has multiple personalities then who is to say she is telling the truth or even if she knows who or what she is?

3) What if she is just a crazy attention seeker?

4) Does she have anything to back up her claims with the intent that her family should be prosecuted?

Making claims about something on Ophrah is not really proof of anything even if it is what some people want to hear.

[ronisron]

Just some questions about the vid.

1) Is she really Jewish or is she just making a claim to demonise them?

2) If she has multiple personalities then who is to say she is telling the truth or even if she knows who or what she is?

3) What if she is just a crazy attention seeker?

4) Does she have anything to back up her claims with the intent that her family should be prosecuted?

Making claims about something on Ophrah is not really proof of anything even if it is what some people want to hear.

1. Maybe to both. The fact that this story is reflected in other places with different people telling similar tales makes it interesting to me. Where there's smoke, there's fire -- usually. Again, her being Jewish or not is irrelevant.

2. How did she wind up with multiple personalities? Whose interest does she represent if she's not telling the truth in her own experience? Maybe she's hypnotized.... who did that and then put her on TV? Why did Oprah allow it? That seems more "Jerry Springer" or "Morton Downey Jr" than Oprah.

3. That's a hell of a tale to tell and a damning indictment on her entire family if she's just seeking attention -- you'd think Oprah would screen these folks better in their pre show interviews, and at least try to find some proof or corroboration before she lets this woman speak on air -- it also undermines the credibility Oprah is trying so hard to cultivate.

4. I don't know what she's trying to do as far as prosecution goes -- she may have felt that going as "public" as possible with the info was a good way to protect herself, and draw attention to the situaition. This is not something that folks tend to get behind right away, it takes a lot of convincing. You are proof of that, you are asking important questions with an eye towards skepticism.

Speaking on Oprah isn't proof unto itself. Not at all. But this is just yet another of those stories. She certainly isn't the only person to say things like this.