BirdFlu Being Transported by Dept of Homeland Secu

[gilly]

A must listen - woman phones into radio show to say that the department for homeland security is transporting bird flu all over USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJQCJp4ehc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eabovetopsecret%2Ecom%2Ffor um%2Fthread454216%2Fpg1&feature=player_embedded

[gilly]

I'm telling you now, if this thread gets less attention than the, "Jack puts flowers on Jade's grave", thread, I'm going to be really hacked off!

[cruise4]

Patience is a virtue :D

Doesn't sound good. I'm tempted to say they would be sprung big time if this goes down.. but I also think they are past caring. And everyone is tired over here in the UK.

[ag3nt5mith]

I'm telling you now, if this thread gets less attention than the, "Jack puts flowers on Jade's grave", thread, I'm going to be really hacked off!

Indeed, quite an alarming bit of audio there. :(

[yozhik]

This is HUGE.

There is so much specific information in that piece of audio, that it is chilling ... and also VERY verfiable.
How can this be ignored??

[dallas18]

very concerning

[microverses]

:(

Operation: Armageddon is set to go.

[steevo]

I am listening to it now. Why did she feel the need to mention that one of the fellars was a muslim ? And that one of the others was hispanic ?

[papiere bitte]

Bird flu, well thank god for that!

People flu, now that would be scary...

[cinbad]

A must listen - woman phones into radio show to say that the department for homeland security is transporting bird flu all over USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJQCJp4ehc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eabovetopsecret%2Ecom%2Ffor um%2Fthread454216%2Fpg1&feature=player_embedded
OMG This is serious. I am so scared. I totally believe what she is saying. I can hear the fear and anxiety in her voice. I never was very religeous but I am praying now. What else can we do? How can we stop it? We can't! I spent the day today calling my family and telling them how much I love them. I'm hoping for the best.

[gilly]

Are there any forum members living in that area, who might be able to corroborate (or otherwise), any of the details this woman is giving?

[gilly]

OMG This is serious. I am so scared. I totally believe what she is saying. I can hear the fear and anxiety in her voice. I never was very religeous but I am praying now. What else can we do? How can we stop it? We can't! I spent the day today calling my family and telling them how much I love them. I'm hoping for the best.

Don't panic, read up on Colloidal Silver, Cinbad.

[seno]

I think this diserves some attention, we should attempt to verify her statements and get the evidence in, it's certainly a big claim. The train at the end looked very ominous.

[gripit]

Wouldn't surprise me if this was true.

[cinbad]

Don't panic, read up on Colloidal Silver, Cinbad.
I have colloidal silver and take two shot glasses a day now. But I'm afraid it won't be enough.

[batou]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/new-bird-flu-cases-suggest-the-danger-of-pandemic-is-rising-1667526.html

The WHO fears that this year's rise in infections among small children, without similar cases being seen in older people, raises questions about whether adults are being infected but not falling ill, so acting as symptomless carriers of the disease. Its investigation, due to start this summer, will see if this is happening by testing the blood of people who may have been in contact with infected birds, but who have not themselves become sick.
John Jabbour, who works with WHO in Cairo, told Reuters last week: "There is something strange happening in Egypt. Why in children now and not in adults? We need to see if there are sub-clinical cases in the community." He added that if the research did find such cases, they would be the first to be discovered anywhere in the world.

[lizzy]

A avian flu pandemic is something I have posted on numerous times......

(and of course, been accused of being a fear monger, LOL)....

something like this will happen sooner or later.....those FEMA camps wer'nt built / renovated to play racketball in.

[simplify]

This woman sure sounds like she is telling the truth......now we know what all those compounds, & black coffins that have been posted here before are for.

This is so evil that I find myself having a hard time believing that there are people who would do this:confused: Furthermore, why are people who are in the know not getting the word out to the public. How can they keep silent on this.

If this this is true, this woman is very courageous, & taking a chance with her life. Bless her.

I am shocked, dumbfounded & saddened, & scared for some family I have in the US.

Tks Gilly for posting it.:)

[cafetimes1991]

Just listened to it, very interesting. My family would probably force me to take the vaccine though, sigh.

[gripit]

A avian flu pandemic is something I have posted on numerous times......

(and of course, been accused of being a fear monger, LOL)....

something like this will happen sooner or later.....those FEMA camps wer'nt built / renovated to play racketball in.

...and it isn't like they haven't said they'd like to eliminate 85-90% of the population. And of course, it'll be a hell of a lot easier to get the New World Order in place if you start a pandemic.

[simplify]

...and it isn't like they haven't said they'd like to eliminate 85-90% of the population. And of course, it'll be a hell of a lot easy to get the New World Order in place if you start a pandemic.

Yes with all the unemployed & homeless now in the US....this is one way to get rid of them. It definitely fits into their plan of depopulation to further their evil agenda.:eek:

[batou]

Just listened to it, very interesting. My family would probably force me to take the vaccine though, sigh.

How do you mean, force you?

[cafetimes1991]

Ye gods, you're right!

[hawk]

Good bye cruel world!

[serenevasaline]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxFS_LjjFlE&feature=related

Scroll down the comments . The owner of the vid says this:

Thanks! Yeah, I drink it daily also and I haven't turned blue. All kidding aside, I just went two weeks without my daily dose and I have the flu. Coincidence? Maybe. Yeah, he was probably making it with tap water (chlorine) or some other dissolved solid (protein) contamination.

[banphrionsalola]

this is disturbingly scary. i feel so numb right now I just don't know what to think or who to believe anymore. thank you gilly for posting this i will be e-mailing this audio clip off to all i know and have everyone check out collodial silver which i am going to do right now.

[comma berenices]

Thank you gilly,it disturbed me greatly listening to this lady.

Unfortunatley it's important that we know what's in store for us so we can prepare ourselves.

I admire her very much for speaking out.

[steevo]

The video below is THE most frightening of all IMO and it is on topic with this thread. WARNING :- Dont watch it if you have not yet conquered your fears. If you havent seen it before it will probably scare the shite out of you. It did me even though I had already heard alot of this stuff before. When you see it in a video like this one, it sort of psychologically validates all the stuff that you have heard from other sources :-

EDIT :- I have decided to delte the link to the video cos I have decided that it doesnt help matters. OK back on topic. Sorry for the distraction.

Why do we find this video so INCREDIBLY shocking ? Can someone please explain ? It's only information surely ?

[who elsie]

People need to circulate this video far and wide. It's dynamite!

It certainly explains how bird-flu seems to effect just isolated pockets in many different countries, but never spreads widely within the country. Clearly the idea is to give every country (or state) a dose of it to spread the fear far more widely than the bird-flu ever spreads on its own.

[cafetimes1991]

The video below is THE most frightening of all IMO and it is on topic with this thread. WARNING :- Dont watch it if you have not yet conquered your fears. If you havent seen it before it will probably scare the shite out of you. It did me even though I had already heard alot of this stuff before. When you see it in a video like this one, it sort of psychologically validates all the stuff that you have heard from other sources :-

EDIT :- I have decided to delte the link to the video cos I have decided that it doesnt help matters. OK back on topic. Sorry for the distraction.

Why do we find this video so INCREDIBLY shocking ? Can someone please explain ? It's only information surely ?

That is a frightening video, steevo. Not as scary as the first time I saw Nosferatu, but still frightening. I have seen it before.

[gilly]

The important points are to keep researching & refering to each other with information - take whatever precautions are available, don't give in to fear - & take no notice of the people on the forum who invariably cry, "fear mongering" (thankfully none of these have yet attacked this thread).

Again, if any forum members living in the area the woman on the clip is refering to, are able to offer any actual observations, that would be helpful.

[mightiswrong]

Man really needs to wake up fast. This sort of thing could not happen if Man did not allow governments to steal their money to use it for destructive secret and known projects. That kind of herd mentality is what could lead us to ending up in cattle trains. It seems like we all have to go all in to put a stop to all this shit and put things right so that we can die in the knowledge that everything is well prepared for the future generations to live in security and peace.

Don't let fear or doubt stop you acting for a second. Just tell yourself these 8 words: I can do it and I do it.

[cleft_asunder]

I am listening to it now. Why did she feel the need to mention that one of the fellars was a muslim ? And that one of the others was hispanic ?

That's a good question.

[cleft_asunder]

A avian flu pandemic is something I have posted on numerous times......

(and of course, been accused of being a fear monger, LOL)....

something like this will happen sooner or later.....those FEMA camps wer'nt built / renovated to play racketball in.

But will they have racketball?

[theciape]

I am listening to it now. Why did she feel the need to mention that one of the fellars was a muslim ? And that one of the others was hispanic ?

It only makes the story sound more legitimate. They would certainly hire foreigners to do this work. Illegal aliens who can be bribed would be the most ideal. Blacmail+Extortion+CASH+no loyalty=the best candidate for the job

[batou]

You'd think the best candidate for the job would be one of their own where they don't have to mop up loose ends. Somebody trusted.
Why pick a guy who has no loyalty? Why not just load up the vials into a truck driven by a spook? Makes no sense. Outsourcing?
Stupid Murkans are probably going to miss the point and cry about Mexicans taking American jobs anyway.

[cleft_asunder]

It only makes the story sound more legitimate. They would certainly hire foreigners to do this work. Illegal aliens who can be bribed would be the most ideal. Blacmail+Extortion+CASH+no loyalty=the best candidate for the job

Hmmm, true. Still, I'm not convinced this woman isn't an agent herself. She spoke way too fast making the whole thing sensational. I couldn't think as fast as she spoke. It's as if she was deliberately trying to get people riled up. And as for confirmation, you guys haven't received one shred of it yet you've dicided this video is real. How easily the human race is played.

[cleft_asunder]

You'd think the best candidate for the job would be one of their own where they don't have to mop up loose ends. Somebody trusted.
Why pick a guy who has no loyalty? Why not just load up the vials into a truck driven by a spook? Makes no sense. Outsourcing?
Stupid Murkans are probably going to miss the point and cry about Mexicans taking American jobs anyway.

Okay, I didn't even think about this. You make a perfect point. We've got a whole black government working against us, and yet they hire average joe's and pay them top salary to transport avian flu? In that case, they would be doing the same with chemtrail airplanes, which is absurd. Hell, they could brainwash people into doing the work at less cost than 5000$ a trip.

And I still can't get past the desperation in her voice. It seemed too contrived --too perfect and calculated. No time to think in between sentences, just a constant stream of 'this is the truth, don't ask questions.'

[batou]

Yeah, I don't believe it. Somebody is hoaxing.
None of it adds up to anything tangible.

[simplify]

I noticed her rapid speech....I believe she was frightened and was trying to get as much info out as she could possibly give within the allowed time frame. She was probably trying to use as much detail as she could remember in order to convince us of the seriousness of the situation, & to prove that she is legit. IMO.:)

Does anyone know what radio station she called into? Maybe they have more updates since they spoke to her?????:confused:

[who elsie]

Hmmm, true. Still, I'm not convinced this woman isn't an agent herself. She spoke way too fast making the whole thing sensational. I couldn't think as fast as she spoke. It's as if she was deliberately trying to get people riled up. And as for confirmation, you guys haven't received one shred of it yet you've dicided this video is real. How easily the human race is played.

True, we have to treat statements like hers with caution, but i see no reason to doubt her just on the tone of her voice/ speed of delivery. In a hightened state of anxiety people often speak faster. In fact the speed of it makes it more convincing to me, as she answers the questions and delivers precise details, without the slightest pause, suggesting she's speaking facts.

[airkraft]

Theres a website thats put this info up and asked for people to write in to confirm any part of the story.....lets just wait to see if anything turns up

[lizzy]

...and it isn't like they haven't said they'd like to eliminate 85-90% of the population. And of course, it'll be a hell of a lot easier to get the New World Order in place if you start a pandemic.

yup, it's always been a eugenics agenda....

Yes with all the unemployed & homeless now in the US....this is one way to get rid of them. It definitely fits into their plan of depopulation to further their evil agenda.:eek:

yup, and for debtors' too , I reckon.

But will they have racketball?

LOL....footie if you make your quota :eek:

[cleft_asunder]

I noticed her rapid speech....I believe she was frightened and was trying to get as much info out as she could possibly give within the allowed time frame. She was probably trying to use as much detail as she could remember in order to convince us of the seriousness of the situation, & to prove that she is legit. IMO.:)

Does anyone know what radio station she called into? Maybe they have more updates since they spoke to her?????:confused:

Yeah but I'm past that point. I know what she's supposed to be. And what I'm saying is that it's too much, like she was overacting. I'm open minded to it being real, but so far it's questionable.

[simplify]

Theres a website thats put this info up and asked for people to write in to confirm any part of the story.....lets just wait to see if anything turns up

Are you saying there "is a another website" for peeps to post further info? If so what is it?

[simplify]

Yeah but I'm past that point. I know what she's supposed to be. And what I'm saying is that it's too much, like she was overacting. I'm open minded to it being real, but so far it's questionable.

cleft..you may be right....."but" I will hold off on declaring her disinfo until we hear more info.......do you not believe that this is within the realm of possibility?
Knowing as much as we do now, imo they are very capable of doing this.



Edit: sounds like some of the posters on here have a hard time believing that this could happen, & go into denial mode. Unfortunately (if its true) denial of the facts won't change them. Lets not shoot the messenger, until we have more info.

[batou]

So far all we have is a story that doesn't seem right, and 2 addresses, 1 of which is a post office.

30 karner rd, albany, ny (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=30+karner+rd+albany+ny&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=us&ei=FIPiSdTuDNHtlQe-mIDgDg&ll=42.728857,-73.848016&spn=0.007156,0.013819&t=h&z=16)
the other
11 woods lane, menands, ny (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&q=11+woods+lane+menands+ny&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=us&ei=wYPiSZMdoOyVB5aTiOAO&ll=42.69928,-73.732359&spn=0.007159,0.013819&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A)
?? a house down a private road.

Other than that.. what? I've no doubt they are capable of such a thing, but being capable and it actually happening are different things. I'm not scared of anything happening right now.

[batou]

Correction:
Not woods lane, WARDS lane:

Here is the information we were provided: The testimony enclosed will RISK lives. Please handle with care and only give to mid level trusted personnel. Handle with care as my intent is to not risk life as a result of this testimony. I FEAR THIS IS BIRD FLU-80% LETHAL. DO NOT HESITATE READING THIS LETTER AND ACT NOW! If this were ever to be the case, once released, it would be too late for all of us. HELP!
WARNING: Do not give this to your superior officer until you digest this and KNOW who you can trust. The superior officers in many agencies, government and private law enforcement are corrupted and infiltrated, were politically appointed and their subordinates are unaware, by the same people attempting to destroy our country. I sent this to a mid management level on purpose in hopes that it is acted upon before those involved can stop this information from being investigated. I even fear from information gathered at a secret meeting in Lake Placid NY, that took place at the Lussi Gold Crown Plaza on Oct 17-19, 2008, that the Joint Chief’s of staff attended, therefore may be involved. The secret meeting that leaked was attended by Dick Cheney, all three Joint Chiefs of Staff (Mullen) Hilary Clinton, George Bush, Condalezza Rice, Kissinger Italian, African, British representatives (Air Force II) (See Adirondack Life, page 10)-winter issue after the leak) and many others. Biological discussions took place. I cannot divulge the informant for his safety. I even fear even GEN Petraeus could be on the wrong side and the surge in Afghanistan to leave us HERE less protected. My trust factors are completely shattered as are many Americans at this moment.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is up to no good. I have spoken to informants that are afraid to come forward so I am risking my life to bring it to you. There are many good people in this agency that think they are performing normal job duties and working toward homeland security. They are not aware of the sinister goings on and what is actually taken place. I will tell you what IS happening and then I will prove it in the contents of this letter. This is NOT conspiracy theory and if you dismiss it for such you will be very sorry as you will be a victim to what is about to happen as will those you love. You MUST take this serious and investigate this immediately. I repeat immediately. If you get nowhere convincing those you approach whom you trust, don’t stop. Our lives depend on it. We must stop these monsters once and for all and I feel their attack is days, weeks, and months away. They are moving quickly and fear time is of the essence.
The letter below was written prior an URGENT NEW DEVELOPMENT that is, I fear, LIFE THREATENING for you, your family and America. I spoke to a trucker who is trucking what I fear to be biological/weapons and other terrorist material.
New Developments written after letter below:
A trucker who owns a private truck, by word of mouth was asked to transport material for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). He and many others are doing this daily (sometimes 3 trips a day). They are being paid 5000.00 per load in cash by Rockefellers “Bank of America.” They are given slips (approx 5X7) that read “EASTERN CONNECTION” in the upper right hand corner with an orange and red insignia. These multiple carbon copied forms are stapled to packaging forms (8X11). The truckers take this forms, one each, for each load. The hours they are in transit are written in pen. They are given a number (each trucker their own private number) and they present this paperwork to Bank of America in person. They are not paid at the counter, but paid after being brought in a private room in the bank. They must recite their individual number and are paid by check. On the statement it read:
“Independent Contractor Settlement Trust”
“Bank of America”
“Independent 12345”
(a different number for each load, I did not list the number I saw, for protection of the trucker, nor his number). There are menial deductions on the stub to fool (he was told) the tellers at the bank and those deductions were promised to them after the fact and will be paid to them. They are sent the amount of the phony deductions at a later date. The trucker was told they will not pay taxes on this money. Ever. The TO: on the slip says 30 Old Karner Road, Albany N. Y, and the FROM: Verizon, 11 Wards Lane, Menands, N.Y. Although he stated that at no time has he been to EITHER of these locations. Is given a white bag to put ALL contents used during their trip. Any coffee cups, sandwich wrappers etc. They are instructor at NO time are they allowed to chew gum. A DHS personnel hands the a white bag and all garbage is collected by DHS after the trip. He heard on one occasion that DHS was going to bankrupt the postal service and it was eventually ALL going to be privatized.
He is required to exit his truck while DHS loads it in secret. He waits at various places for his truck to be loaded and given NO timeframe. He waits and is fed well and kept comfortable by staff. He then has his truck returned to him with an electromagnetic lock and is escorted, sometimes with green cars, white vans, and on one transport in New York, by Menands Police Dept. The police car is waiting for them when they leave and escorts them so far then turns around. He then is given a map and are instructed to drive different routes at times. Those that truck with him are separated but end in the same destination. At the destinations such as Washington, plain clothed men with expensive guns are waiting for him. His truck is unloaded while they are held up in a 5 star Hilton Hotel and with food and drink. They were told they must leave the area they live in presently when this is all over as it is not safe. That for the sake of their families can go to a place called “Sand Point” near the water in Washington where only those that are good to the government, they, in turn will be good to them. The names he could recall were “Arbey King McGregor, (white)” “Lee Morgan, (white)” “Fattah,” (Arab) and a very dark (African) man who was a 3 star GENERAL whose name escaped him. His phone rings constantly as these individuals do no let him out of their grasp. The number is always different and he was instructed to NOT write down the phone numbers. On the trips, they are instructed to not stop at red lights, to urinate or defecate. That if they have to use the bathroom, they must do so IN THE TRUCK or in a urinal-NO MATTER WHAT! They drive non stop to their destination. They have been sent places where they “thought” they were going. Then, a lead car stops them and diverts their direction sporadically. They have turned down many dead end streets that say “Dead End,” but are let in gates that they drive miles into open fields (gravel driveways) that end where their trucks are lowered into the ground and disappear to be loaded. On one load waited and fed with the other truckers. When the truck raised out of the ground from a baron field, there were personnel with tyvex suits, masks, booties, and he was given a vaccination (injection of some sort) for his safety during the transport (safety?) He was told this was in order to protect his family. He showed me the injection site. He transports weapons, military equipment etc from Edison Street in Amsterdam New York near Robo Car Wash. Another employee stated that that building held “anything and everything” you would need military. (”Blackwater”?)
He was given a stack of 10’s of vouchers for future deliveries. I counted 100,000.00 worth of deliveries for just weeks of work. He is “on call” constantly. He is called 3 and 4 times a day to just “see how he is doing.” He is called for meetings that are held unannounced at 2 and 3 o’clock in the morning, told to come right away (they knowing how far he is from the DHS facility, then asked how he is doing, then sent home. He stated. “too many meetings.”


From:

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=219



Stinks of BS to me. Too manufactured - and of course people want to believe the worst is about to happen.

[steevo]

It only makes the story sound more legitimate. They would certainly hire foreigners to do this work. Illegal aliens who can be bribed would be the most ideal. Blacmail+Extortion+CASH+no loyalty=the best candidate for the job

I think that the radio phone in COULD be "genuine", but the PTB usually have patsies to do the dirty work (ie to drive the trucks in this case), someone for us to blame (divide and rule). The caller on the video has already told us that the people who are driving the trucks are SUPPOSEDLY muslims and hispanics. Now that is gonna cause a REAL bloody stink if the PTB go ahead with this. But either way, I would not put it past the PTB to carry out a "false flag" bio attack against the populations of the world. They do this sort of thing quite regularly in my opinion, but maybe this is gonna be the big one ? They tried it with AIDS and other diseases (in my opinion) but it's not killing the people quick enough for their liking maybe.

[kingmonkey]

There's something fishy going on here; when the host asks her "could they be vaccines?" She says "if they're fefrigerated/iced they're either antigens or antibodies; that's all we know", kind of masking the question with science...

The simple answer would've been "yes, they could be". Why did she not just say that?

Vaccines have to stay in a "cold chain" from the point of manufacturing to the point of them being administered. This needs to be between 2 and 8 degrees C.

Also, she said he delivered a load to the pentagon. Why the fuck would the pentagon want it?? This would make more sense if they were vaccines.

[cleft_asunder]

cleft..you may be right....."but" I will hold off on declaring her disinfo until we hear more info.......do you not believe that this is within the realm of possibility?
Knowing as much as we do now, imo they are very capable of doing this.



Edit: sounds like some of the posters on here have a hard time believing that this could happen, & go into denial mode. Unfortunately (if its true) denial of the facts won't change them. Lets not shoot the messenger, until we have more info.

We are raising valid points. Hard time believing it could happen? I believe demons control the earth, and that infinite possibility is the norm, which means nothing will surprise me. People will believe anything provided it's alternative news. A lot of alternative news is controlled, such as UFO magazine. I always take a step back and think about everything. Why get emotional about it? Why get excited? The bottom line right now is that there is NO proof this is true, nor is there any proof that it isn't. Yet people on here are already riled up!

[steevo]

There's something fishy going on here; when the host asks her "could they be vaccines?" She says "if they're fefrigerated/iced they're either antigens or antibodies; that's all we know", kind of masking the question with science...

The simple answer would've been "yes, they could be". Why did she not just say that?

Vaccines have to stay in a "cold chain" from the point of manufacturing to the point of them being administered. This needs to be between 2 and 8 degrees C.

Also, she said he delivered a load to the pentagon. Why the fuck would the pentagon want it?? This would make more sense if they were vaccines.

I must say that I too felt uncomfortable when she gave her response to that question. I am gonna have to listen to it again really.

[vividchild]

I came here specifically to see what people were making of this video. I must say it made me very uncomfortable.

While watching a video a few days ago, a segment of it contained a clip from an Art Bell show, someone calling in about Alien infiltration in Area 51 and how they plan to wipe out X amount of the population, that we are running out of time and that the government know about this and could be moving the population to safe areas but are not. His tone, his panic, terrified me quite frankly. Then I went back and saw that it was broadcast in 1996 which immediately left me feeling somewhat relieved.

This bird flu clip affected me in a similar fashion because of the tone (the fellow on Art Bell was far more intense, crying etc.)

That train is equally as uncomfortable as the clip and I do wonder what it is used for.

I don't know what to make of the clip but my first reaction was definitely fear.

[cleft_asunder]

Stinks of BS to me. Too manufactured - and of course people want to believe the worst is about to happen.

They are not aware of the sinister goings on and what is actually taken place. I will tell you what IS happening and then I will prove it in the contents of this letter. This is NOT conspiracy theory and if you dismiss it for such you will be very sorry as you will be a victim to what is about to happen as will those you love.

She did not prove anything in the contents of the letter. Not one thing. Also, she asks us to believe her before she says anything. Either she's dense, or she's trying to sucker the weaker minds who fall for sensational overly-emotional stories. I agree that it stinks of BS. But let's be realistic, even if her information is real, it still stinks of BS because this is a perfect example of how not to disclose information. She ruins her own credibility!

[steevo]

I have just listened to it again, and she mentioned a Spanish man, a muslim man, an African American man, and a Pakistani man. Something aint right. I think that the woman could be a CIA agent.
I am NOT saying a the Bio Attack is NOT being planned by the PTB, it probably is, but it seems that they are somehow trying to shift the blame. Divide and rule.

[kingmonkey]

Yeah, something's not right with it.

[cleft_asunder]

Good call. And as I said, even if it is true, the thing has destroyed it's own credibility

[gripit]

I have just listened to it again, and she mentioned a Spanish man, a muslim man, an African American man, and a Pakistani man. Something aint right. I think that the woman could be a CIA agent.
I am NOT saying a the Bio Attack is NOT being planned by the PTB, it probably is, but it seems that they are somehow trying to shift the blame. Divide and rule.

I was thinking the same, another 'boogie man' syndrome.

I was also wondering what the point of spreading false rumours would be? 'Something to do' just doesn't cut it.

Anyhow, it all seems pretty weird to me. One thing for sure, the NWO does think of us as insects...if that!

[mightiswrong]

There is a lot of information about this on this thread: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread454216/pg1

[jesuitsdidit]

Correction:
Not woods lane, WARDS lane:

Here is the information we were provided: The te

From:

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=219



Stinks of BS to me. Too manufactured - and of course people want to believe the worst is about to happen.

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org is highly dubious
see my posts in Concentration Gas Camps in the USA
almost certainly a disinfo site imo..

[jesuitsdidit]

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org
highly dubious
see my posts in Concentration Gas Camps in the USA
almost certainly a disinfo site imo..

but they cd always blame an attack on the truckers who nicked some didnt they?
all from muslim countries..

[gripit]

I have just listened to it again, and she mentioned a Spanish man, a muslim man, an African American man, and a Pakistani man. Something aint right. I think that the woman could be a CIA agent.
I am NOT saying a the Bio Attack is NOT being planned by the PTB, it probably is, but it seems that they are somehow trying to shift the blame. Divide and rule.

Also, the only Spanish people on Earth are from Spain. Shall we assume she meant 'Spanish speaking'? Perhaps to insinuate Venezuela or something? African American, is she sure he was born in Africa?! lol. Muslim? You sure? Pakistani? Not Indian? You're sure he was from Pakistan or of Pakistani decent?!

Suspicious.

[dusthead]

Bird-flu Schmird-flu.

[theciape]

I have just listened to it again, and she mentioned a Spanish man, a muslim man, an African American man, and a Pakistani man. Something aint right. I think that the woman could be a CIA agent.
I am NOT saying a the Bio Attack is NOT being planned by the PTB, it probably is, but it seems that they are somehow trying to shift the blame. Divide and rule.

If she said "Pakistani" then she gave herself away. Spook.

But the flu is coming unless the hundredth monkey awakens.

[hitithard]

Shocking video,
The lady seems genuinely worried....unless of course she is a very good agent.

Like someone said (sorry can't remember who) it is like she is trying to get as much info out as she can in her time limit,

But my first impressions is that she sounds genuine.

very worrying

[kingmonkey]

She could be genuinely wrong...I wouldn't get too worried.

[hitithard]

true,

+ in not in the US ;-)

she doesn't even know for sure that it is bird flu the driver is carrying,

"may actually be transporting bird flu"

[simplify]

bump, bump.

[mightiswrong]

I do think that one of the points made in the thread I linked to. I read thru to page 5 and someone said that car sales are very low so there are a lot of trains getting shunted out. Also someone said that if we knew some of the stuff getting moved around all the time we would be truly horrified. Makes sense to me. There is a lot of bad shit going on but that is all the more reason to step off the path into the garden.

[edhell]

There's been recently a case in polish media about the bird flu vaccines.
Health workers on trial for vaccine scam in Poland
AFP

WARSAW (AFP) – Nine health workers went on trial in northern Poland Monday accused of having tested a vaccine against bird flu on nearly 200 patients without their knowledge, court officials said.

The accused -- three doctors and six nurses -- are charged with "fraud, creating false documents and delivering health care without authorisation" to 196 patients, judge Piotr Szadkowski of the Torun region told AFP.

If found guilty, they risk up to 10 years in jail.

All nine accused, some reportedly clad in wigs and sun glasses to avoid being identified, pleaded not guilty.

The medical personnel are charged with administering a vaccine banned in Poland against the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu that can be transmitted to humans.

The patients were paid for the vaccines, Polish news agency PAP reported.

They allegedly led their patients, many of them poor and homeless, to believe they were being vaccinated against ordinary flu.

Police discovered the scam by chance when they were called to break up a fight at a homeless shelter, PAP said.
Several of them died after they took the vaccines.

[gilly]

There are some good points raised throughout this thread. Scepticism is good, but none of the arguments offered so far amount to more than speculation & gut instinct, one way or the other.

Ultimately, we don't know whether this is true, deliberate disinfo to cause fear/misdirect blame, or a genuine alarm bell but unintentionally based on wrong assumptions.

The various nationalities of the drivers seems to be leading people to think it's a hoax. I can't see why - whomever is directing activities (if it's real) would have dictated every concievable detail of who they wanted performing the tasks.

It's been questioned as to whether the cargo could be vaccines as opposed to the virus. It could be doses of both! I'd expect that the virus itself would be refridgerated until used, to keep it dormant. I've an inkling that the vaccines are going to be as lethal as any pandemic they're supposed to be protecting from - at least, the ones for use on the public will be - there's probably an effective one for tptb. Otherwise, if it is only legitimate vaccines being transported, why the vaccinating of drivers, and the constant checking up on them, & the ,"no chewing gum", rule & the disposal of sandwich wrappers etc etc.

Whilst I sincerely hope this is no more than a false alarm, after the contaminated vaccine caper here last month, I'm inclined to think they are trying to get things started imminently.

I feel we need to keep our eyes & ears open, while avoiding panic.

Keep up Colloidal Silver intake & garlic (it's good to eat a whole raw clove a day to boost the immune system), and invest in tee-tree oil while it's still available. The latter has a multitude of uses, & where the medical profession claim there's nothing that fights viruses, tee-tree is naturally anti-viral, anti-inflammatory, anti-fungal & anti-bacterial. The body doesn't develop immunity to it, the way it does with anti-biotics.

[leviathanstaar]

I beleive the plan and concept is quite real, and the details shes giving are what is happening but that the instances themselves are Intelligence tests/dry runs and reaction gauge's.

Were this real totally however I'd assume this woman in custody by now surrounded by NSA pretending to care about National Security and demanding to know how she uncovered thier plans.

Oh and even if they are vaccines, thats a total joke because they simply will not be "just" vaccines.

[airkraft]

Are you saying there "is a another website" for peeps to post further info? If so what is it?

Its this site. http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2433

Someone else posted it up on another site I frequent

[brainfreeze]

It's odd that they can't chew gum but can munch on sandwiches. Doesn't make sense.

[gilly]

It's odd that they can't chew gum but can munch on sandwiches. Doesn't make sense.

That's what I thought too. Unless it's that you discard gum, rather than swallowing it? Even if they collect their food wrappers, maybe gum's too risky, because people might just spit it out of the widow without a second thought?

[hunger]

I was looking for an update & found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oajIli_Ck

[gilly]

A point worth mentioning, gleaned from the thread on one of the links...

No vaccine could be prepared in advance for a pandemic, until it's hit, and been determined which of many possible strains it's mutated to. That seems to rule out the previously raised question of whether the cargo is a legitimate antidote to an impending naturally occurring pandemic - unless I've missed something?

[john connor]

one thing I posted last week, I work for local Gov in the East Midlands, whilst I was away on holiday the other week, my co worker got a call from the NHS, they wanted to bring us Avian flu posters and come and talk to us all, we are a frontline dept. my co worker also told me that a friend of hers knew a printer who was printing 1000's of ration books, maybe to collect basic essentials from distribution centres when a outbreak occurred. A pandemic would bring about a total breakdown, whole cities would be quaranteened, look at the Dept for Health pandemic site and you will see for yourselves, also mandatory innoculation would be required after the pandemic was 'controlled' ideal time to chip the entire population.

[gripit]

The various nationalities of the drivers seems to be leading people to think it's a hoax.

Actually, it doesn't make it any less of a hoax for me. I called it suspicious...cuz it could be another 'false boogie man' set up. I think just about everyone can agree that this scenario is a very real possibility in the near future. The NWO are monsters!

[steevo]

I am not saying that it's a hoax Gilly. I dont know either way. But what I'm saying is that it could be genuine, but the woman telling the story is telling us the the people involved (patsies) are Espanic, Muslim, African American, and Pakistani. Very convenient labels.

[gilly]

I am not saying that it's a hoax Gilly. I dont know either way. But what I'm saying is that it could be genuine, but the woman telling the story is telling us the the people involved (patsies) are Espanic, Muslim, African American, and Pakistani. Very convenient labels.

I also don't know whether it's real or not.

The Pakistani mentioned though, was not said to be someone involved, but rather, someone "in the know" about many things, who's up'd sticks & moved, saying, "America's finished".

[dreamweaver]

*sigh*

Does anyone remember the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf?

[gripit]

I also don't know whether it's real or not.

The Pakistani mentioned though, was not said to be someone involved, but rather, someone "in the know" about many things, who's up'd sticks & moved, saying, "America's finished".

Yes, she says that she knows this man personally.

[firstlook]

If it actually concerns you people:

http://www.villageofmenands.com/Public_Documents/MenandsNY_Police/index

Whether or not you think it will do any good, call the Menands Police chief and voice your opinions. Silence is obedience!

Stop shaking your heads. Act in according to your beliefs. None of this, "what good will that do". If you hold this information as valuable, then let others know. Let others know you know.

Peace

[tribe_of_david]

Ive heard many Audio's and watched many Clips over the last few years to do with Goverment conspiracies ect and i have to say this Audio is by far the most Chilling. I think it is more than Plausible. The woman on the Audio in my opinion is either genuine and scared or a very good actor. Very Disturbing Audio.

[realy]

If it actually concerns you people:

http://www.villageofmenands.com/Public_Documents/MenandsNY_Police/index

Whether or not you think it will do any good, call the Menands Police chief and voice your opinions. Silence is obedience!

Stop shaking your heads. Act in according to your beliefs. None of this, "what good will that do". If you hold this information as valuable, then let others know. Let others know you know.

Peace

the thing is if its real your more than likely to get put on a list after calling the "authorities" how would they help if they work for the lawmakers who are in on most of the secret workings? more than likely they will get suspicious of you and ask about the source of your information. but if you feel like calling the police is gonna help, then by all means go ahead.

[realy]

they unleashed aids and other viruses on us before so this isnt nothing new, now the only thing we can count on if they do this is that this bird flu may not pan out the way they want, imo aids backfired as population control even though lots have died from it (im thinking the population has actualy expanded since then)the results are not like they wanted. http://www.thegrandawakening.com/index.html

[markomac]

nothing beats a good ole bird flu thread when your coughing like an old lady and finding it hard to catch your breath!

any ideas on how to combat this without taking any over the counter crap or going to the Dr?

its been building up all week. It was ok when I was in Wales in the country this weekend, but since coming back to smelly London it's gotten a lot worse.

Cheers!

MM

[lottie]

nothing beats a good ole bird flu thread when your coughing like an old lady and finding it hard to catch your breath!

any ideas on how to combat this without taking any over the counter crap or going to the Dr?

its been building up all week. It was ok when I was in Wales in the country this weekend, but since coming back to smelly London it's gotten a lot worse.

Cheers!

MM

Honey... and Ginger... and lemon...stick all three in a cup and have as many as you like... all good for combatting colds coughs etc...also Olive Leaf tablets (holland and barrat)!!

Note: I am not a Doctor and do not advise you take my advice as medical advice!

[markomac]

Honey... and Ginger... and lemon...stick all three in a cup and have as many as you like... all good for combatting colds coughs etc...also Olive Leaf tablets (holland and barrat)!!

Cheers mate!

I very rarely get ill, which is ironic as I live with gym freaks who eat like mad, but I only eat twice a day and also eat far too much chocolate!

I shall be taking your advice.

very much appreciated.

[firstlook]

the thing is if its real your more than likely to get put on a list after calling the "authorities" how would they help if they work for the lawmakers who are in on most of the secret workings? more than likely they will get suspicious of you and ask about the source of your information. but if you feel like calling the police is gonna help, then by all means go ahead.

Ive been on "lists" for a while now. its called not being Fearful. If you live your life by This will happen and that will happen, you basically just saying go right ahead. Know what I'm saying?;)

Safety is an illusion pillow for the bed ridden.

[realfake]

nothing beats a good ole bird flu thread when your coughing like an old lady and finding it hard to catch your breath!

any ideas on how to combat this without taking any over the counter crap or going to the Dr?

its been building up all week. It was ok when I was in Wales in the country this weekend, but since coming back to smelly London it's gotten a lot worse.

Cheers!

MMSpend a couple of hours under the Sun. It'll work wonders.

[gilly]

Honey... and Ginger... and lemon...stick all three in a cup and have as many as you like... all good for combatting colds coughs etc...also Olive Leaf tablets (holland and barrat)!!

Note: I am not a Doctor and do not advise you take my advice as medical advice!

As above, plus put 10 - 15 drops of tea-tree oil in a bowl of boiling water for a steam 10 min. inhalation, 3 times a day.

Euchinacea capsules are good also, from health-food shops.

A raw clove of garlic, chewed (yummy) also boosts your immune system.

[dinachick]

Build your own zapper and stock up on batteries or use a solar kind of set up here http://www.ryanmcginty.com/orgone/zapperinfo.pdf

If don't want to build there are meny vendors of zappers, just google, I have the Croft Zapper and that works well. This may be helpful in Bird Flu cases.

http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com/ for North American shipping ( one of many vendors for north america, google it.)

http://www.orgonise-africa.net/zapper.html for EU shipping

Get a couple of them if you can manage it, and it would be a good idea to learn how to make them and distribute throughout your neighborhood.
Stock up on batteries.

[tribe_of_david]

FAO - steevo

I have sent u a PM mate.

[lottie]

Cheers mate!

I very rarely get ill, which is ironic as I live with gym freaks who eat like mad, but I only eat twice a day and also eat far too much chocolate!

I shall be taking your advice.

very much appreciated.

You're welc....!!:D

We all get ill sometimes hun...no worries...its your bodies way of saying 'take a break mon!!' ;)

[markomac]

You're welc....!!:D

We all get ill sometimes hun...no worries...its your bodies way of saying 'take a break mon!!' ;)

this is actually very nice! if you knew how fussy i am that speaks volumes.

Gilly, i'd love to chew garlic but it makes me sick ha ha. not a vampire.

The sun has been out all weekend in Wales and i was feeling great, quad biking helped as well.

For anyone that hasnt been to South Wales, GO! Its an amazing place. best weekend i've had in a long time.

To keep on topic, i was very interested in what this women had to say. She does sound credible. Those FEMA camps are there for a reason. Whatever happened to SARS. I think they are long over due to scare us with that again.

MM

[whitenight639]

Too many co-incedences;

The health secratary in the UK looses power to decide which vaccines are allowed..
That lab 'accidently' sent out a flue vaccine with live bird flue in it. ..
The recent terror arrests in manchester..
now this video, and if you look on youtube theres a video of the FEMA trains.

I dont want to scare you or make 5 from 2 + 2 but take the above into consideration and add abit of chemtrailing and FEMA 500,000 coffins and you got a nice story of how some terrorists let off some bird flue and it went international when really there putting it in chemtrails.

[steevo]

I also don't know whether it's real or not.

The Pakistani mentioned though, was not said to be someone involved, but rather, someone "in the know" about many things, who's up'd sticks & moved, saying, "America's finished".

She didnt mention HOW the Pakistani fellar managed to get "in the know". All I know is that she mentioned these 4 people (misdirection), and it could help push America towards the apparent agenda of civil war (divide and rule).
I FEEL that this radio "interview" is full of half truths. The bits that I feel are true, are that the PTB are possibily gonna try to carry our a bio attack on the populations (unless we stop acquiescing).

[adbasque]

I'm telling you now, if this thread gets less attention than the, "Jack puts flowers on Jade's grave", thread, I'm going to be really hacked off!

Yes Gilly, you can bet that people will be more interested what's happened to Jack after Jade's passing away, than this.

Apparently it's on almost every channel ;)

[the nine]

I was looking for an update & found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oajIli_Ck

those trains look ominous..the video filmer made an excellent pointabout peolpe arguing in youtube..

good post, but i cant find video 3..? anyone?

[graflok]

The problem I have with this woman's statements is the stuff
about the drivers' requirements while enroute -- no gum, no
rest room stops, etc. It implies that the drivers are being
exposed to the bio-hazard that they're carrying in their
trucks.

But, safe containers exist for carrying bio-hazardous materials,
so what is the problem?

Did they run out of safe containers and had to put the stuff
into old coffee cans?

And, according to her information the drivers were also ordered
to not stop at red lights while driving.

So, they're not only driving trucks with bio-hazardous material
in unsafe containers but they're running red lights too?

Uh, does this scenario seem unlikely to anyone else?

[kingmonkey]

The whole thing sounds odd to me...I reckon it's a case of chinese whispers.

[tribe_of_david]

The problem I have with this woman's statements is the stuff
about the drivers' requirements while enroute -- no gum, no
rest room stops, etc. It implies that the drivers are being
exposed to the bio-hazard that they're carrying in their
trucks.

But, safe containers exist for carrying bio-hazardous materials,
so what is the problem?

Did they run out of safe containers and had to put the stuff
into old coffee cans?

And, according to her information the drivers were also ordered
to not stop at red lights while driving.

So, they're not only driving trucks with bio-hazardous material
in unsafe containers but they're running red lights too?

Uh, does this scenario seem unlikely to anyone else?

No more unlikely than a Goverment assasinating its own president to further a specific agenda.

[hawk]

I guess we'll all find out when we all wake up dead one day,won't we?

[gripit]

I guess we'll all find out when we all wake up dead one day,won't we?

"See, I told ya".

[cleft_asunder]

The problem I have with this woman's statements is the stuff
about the drivers' requirements while enroute -- no gum, no
rest room stops, etc. It implies that the drivers are being
exposed to the bio-hazard that they're carrying in their
trucks.

But, safe containers exist for carrying bio-hazardous materials,
so what is the problem?

Did they run out of safe containers and had to put the stuff
into old coffee cans?

And, according to her information the drivers were also ordered
to not stop at red lights while driving.

So, they're not only driving trucks with bio-hazardous material
in unsafe containers but they're running red lights too?

Uh, does this scenario seem unlikely to anyone else?

The trucks are being escorted. The escorts clear the way first.

[whitenight639]

The problem I have with this woman's statements is the stuff
about the drivers' requirements while enroute -- no gum, no
rest room stops, etc. It implies that the drivers are being
exposed to the bio-hazard that they're carrying in their
trucks.

But, safe containers exist for carrying bio-hazardous materials,
so what is the problem?

Did they run out of safe containers and had to put the stuff
into old coffee cans?

And, according to her information the drivers were also ordered
to not stop at red lights while driving.

So, they're not only driving trucks with bio-hazardous material
in unsafe containers but they're running red lights too?

Uh, does this scenario seem unlikely to anyone else?

its standard when drivers are carrying hazerdous cargo, my dad used to know a trucker who use to carry asbestos or something, he had a piece of paper signed by the home secratry that he could show police as he wasnt allowed to stop at all.

[dainis bophary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7plFb72J3RE

[graflok]

its standard when drivers are carrying hazerdous cargo, my dad used to know a trucker who use to carry asbestos or something, he had a piece of paper signed by the home secratry that he could show police as he wasnt allowed to stop at all.

It's standard when carrying asbestos that the driver can't chew gum or make
rest stops?

[graflok]

No more unlikely than a Goverment assasinating its own president to further a specific agenda.

Do the assassins have to pee in their cars while not chewing gum?

[graflok]

The trucks are being escorted. The escorts clear the way first.

Police cars escorting cargo trucks through intersections against the traffic
lights? Not very clandestine, is it?

I think someone's pulling our leg.

[hawk]

I look at it this way, we're all gonna die someday, who the hell knows what the fuck is really going on? Nobody,right! Nobody knows for sure what the hell is really going on. Its gotten to the point where now I'm starting to understand why people are killing themselves. Nobody knows anything. That's the big secret. There's no real proof of anything being done except that we are sure that there is a group of power-crazed men on this planet who supposedly worship the devil and they are doing it for the promise of immortality and riches and power to make us all their slaves.
Sounds about right to me. Now if ole Scratch were to suddenly show up right out of the blue and say to everyone on this planet,"You will all die because this is my planet and I don't want you monkeys here." Well, what would anybody do? What the hell could they do? Nothing! And in truth, he would probably be technically in the right because he hates all of humanity because according to the Bible, we are supposed to be special and therefore he hates us becuz the attention is not focused on him.
So, some power hungry Illuminati assholes got together, cooked up this world domination plan and said,"Let's enslave the entire planet and kill most of them off. That way, there's more for us." But what they don't realize is that we outnumber them greatly. And if they ever figure out that we already know this, then there would most likely be a world war the likes of which nobody living or dead has ever seen.
They also don't seem to realize that if they poison the entire planet and ruin its ecosystem ,then there goes their own chances for survival,too. Becuz they cannot live on a dead planet. The water would be poisoned,the food would be poisoned, nothing could survive, so in a way,they would kill themselves off ,too. So in effect, they're shooting themselves in the foot if you get what I am saying. It's all so fucking crazy.
Makes me wish I lived on another planet just to get away from all of this insanity. Jesus!

[batou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7plFb72J3RE

Haha
Excellent

Alex Jones = win

[ritchs]

My opinion is that the delivery of the woman in the video was very real sounding. She spoke quickly, had all her facts straight, only briefly pausing with err's hmms and then contuning on. I did note she didn't repeat herself and had many details like the emblems on their uniform, addresses etc.

Either this is a skilled professional hoax or very real. And then you have to ask why anyone would go to the effort and risk of spreading an alarming message, especially under the really hefty terror laws and prison sentences that are on the books now in the Patriot Act era. This is like the infamous war of the worlds telecast by Orson Welles. The radio station trying to boost its listener audience, I don't think so. And the lady sounded mainstream and articulate amd deeply concerned, she was no kid prank caller.

This is starting to spread too on the web, which is good, lets see what develops. A good airing out and vetting by lots of folks will help. Something will come back!

This would not be a normal trucking thing, under armed guards, in the middle of the night, no normal shipping with bills of laden etc. This is totally unnatural if true.


There was even talk over at Benjamin Fulfords web blog a few weeks ago about the bankers threatening pandemic rather than let go of financial control

[gilly]

I, for one, am no clearer yet as to whether this is real or not. I'm not for slating Alex Jones, as some have on other threads, simply because I don't watch him often enough to judge him soundly - but I find his arguments very weak, and unconvincing.

The fact that he was asked for his opinion, and is giving it is absolutely fine (and he might be right), however, to be stating so adamantly that it's a fraud, when he can't know that, & has nothing to back that assertion up, seems as off-kilter to me as everything else surrounding the initial call.

I hope he's correct.

The crux of his argument seems to be, the Fed's would shift it themselves, and we'd know about it, the same way that we know about other bird flu transgressions (Baxters & Poland).

Would they shift it themselves? Yes, I think so - but that depends on what exactly their plans are.

If for example, they are planning for a road 'accident' involving one of these loaded trucks at some point, as the cause of the leaked virus, it would make sense to be able to show afterwards that it was the norm to contract this carriage work out, so that the Feds aren't seen as the culprits. If that was the case, and the virus was simultaneously, furtively leaked in the other locations it's been distributed to, the public wouldn't know that the spread of infection hadn't emanated from that one road accident source.

Other factual accounts (eg. 'Dr Mary's Monkey') have shown that the feds do employ figures outside their own organisation - sometimes via 3rd parties - to do things you'd expect them to do themselves.

As for knowing about it, if it was happening...that doesn't seem logical. We only know about what happened with Baxters, & in Poland, because somebody found out & exposed it.

If the authorities who've been informed of this have not investigated/exposed it, that does not necessarily make it invalid. Lots of different bodies - CIA, top medics & law offices knew things about the events leading up to Kennedy's assassination, but didn't co-operate with investigations.

[wazaaap]

Well after reading all of the posts and seeing all the evidence - i have to say it seems like she is a spook.

As for is this stuff happening - 100% it is!!

It is part of there plan and it WILL HAPPEN!

however this woman is designed to cause fear and panic and diver attension

[anthony65]

For any skeptics, here's a link to the recent thread that discussed the contamination of flu vaccine with live bird flu vaccine...

The name of the company was Baxter's...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56802&highlight=baxter

‘Accidental’ Contamination Of Vaccine With Live Avian Flu Virus Virtually Impossible

Czech newspapers are questioning if the shocking discovery of vaccines contaminated with the deadly avian flu virus which were distributed to 18 countries by the American company Baxter were part of a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic.

The claim holds weight because, according to the very laboratory protocols that are routine for vaccine makers, mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible.

“The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses,” reports the Canadian Press.

Baxter flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1 - otherwise known as the human form of avian flu, one of the most deadly biological weapons on earth with a 60% kill rate - were received by labs in the Czech Republic, Germany, and Slovenia.

Initially, Baxter attempted to stonewall questions by invoking “trade secrets” and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident. This was seemingly an attempt to quickly change the story and hide the fact that the accidental contamination of a vaccine with a deadly biological agent like avian flu is virtually impossible and the only way it could have happened was by wilful gross criminal negligence.

According to a compiled translation from Czech newspaper stories, the media over there is asking tough questions about whether the contamination was part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic.

“Was this just a criminal negligence or it was an attempt to provoke pandemia using vaccination against flu to spread the disease - as happened with the anti-B hepatitis vaccination with vaccines containing the HIV virus in US? - and then cash for the vaccines against H5N1 which Baxter develops? How could on Earth a virus as H5N1 come to the ordinary flu vaccines? Don’t they follow even basic precautions in the american pharma companies?” states the translation.

The fact that Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun. The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it is less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super-airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent, super-airbone, super deadly biological weapon.

As the Canadian Press article explains, “While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.”

There can be little doubt therefore that this was a deliberate attempt to weaponize the H5N1 virus to its most potent extreme and distribute it via conventional flu vaccines to the population who would then infect others to a devastating degree as the disease went airborne.

The Canadian Press article states, “That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created,” but then claims that there is no evidence that this is what Baxter were doing, despite there being no clear explanation as to why Baxter has samples of the live avian flu virus on its premises in the first place.

However, to reiterate, the key aspect of this story is that it is virtually impossible for live avian flu virus to find its way into a vaccine by “accident”.

As health expert Mike Adams points out, “The shocking answer is that this couldn’t have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.”
As explained on Wikipedia.

“Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features.”

Under the BSL3 code of conduct, it is impossible for live avian flu viruses to contaminate production vaccine materials that are shipped out to vendors around the world.

This leaves only two possibilities that explain these events:

Possibility #1: Baxter isn’t following BSL3 safety guidelines or is so sloppy in following them that it can make monumental mistakes that threaten the safety of the entire human race. And if that’s the case, then why are we injecting our children with vaccines made from Baxter’s materials?

Possibility #2: A rogue employee (or an evil plot from the top management) is present at Baxter, whereby live avian flu viruses were intentionally placed into the vaccine materials in the hope that such materials might be injected into humans and set off a global bird flu pandemic.

Spreading bird flu would create an instantaneous surge of demand for bird flu vaccines. The profits that vaccine companies such as Baxter International could reap out of such a panic are astronomical.

In addition, as we have previously reported, those that have a stake in the Tamiflu vaccine include top globalists and BIlderberg members like George Shultz, Lodewijk J.R. de Vink and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Authorities in both Europe and the U.S. have openly detailed plans for martial law, quarantine and internment should a bird flu pandemic occur.

The other motivation, as we have exhaustively documented on this website for years, is the fact that elites throughout history have openly stated that they want to see a world population reduction of around 80 per cent. Shocking stories like this take the plausibility of that narrative out of the realms of conspiracy theory and into the dangerous reality of conspiracy fact.

“Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter — which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world — getting away with saying, essentially, “Oops?”, Adams concludes.

This is not the first time that vaccine companies have been caught distributing vaccines contaminated with deadly viruses.

In 2006 it was revealed that Bayer Corporation had discovered that their injection drug, which was used by hemophiliacs, was contaminated with the HIV virus. Internal documents prove that after they positively knew that the drug was contaminated, they took it off the U.S. market only to dump it on the European, Asian and Latin American markets, knowingly exposing thousands, most of them children, to the live HIV virus. Government officials in France went to prison for allowing the drug to be distributed. The documents show that the FDA colluded with Bayer to cover-up the scandal and allowed the deadly drug to be distributed globally. No Bayer executives ever faced arrest or prosecution in the United States.

[john connor]

New bird flu cases suggest the danger of pandemic is rising

First the good news: bird flu is becoming less deadly. Now the bad: scientists fear that this is the very thing that could make the virus more able to cause a pandemic that would kill hundreds of millions of people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/new-bird-flu-cases-suggest-the-danger-of-pandemic-is-rising-1667526.html

[anthony65]

New bird flu cases suggest the danger of pandemic is rising

First the good news: bird flu is becoming less deadly. Now the bad: scientists fear that this is the very thing that could make the virus more able to cause a pandemic that would kill hundreds of millions of people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/new-bird-flu-cases-suggest-the-danger-of-pandemic-is-rising-1667526.html

The reader's comments show that some informed people are highlighting the recent Baxters contamination...

This is all out in the open...

Are the media gatekeepers, shills and trolls going to continue to play to the tune of their genocidal masters?

Or are they going to start wondering if maybe they've been kicking for Satan all along....

[john connor]

The reader's comments show that some informed people are highlighting the recent Baxters contamination...

This is all out in the open...

Are the media gatekeepers, shills and trolls going to continue to play to the tune of their genocidal masters?

Or are they going to start wondering if maybe they've been kicking for Satan all along....

You may want to read the first reader comment on this one

David Attenborough to be patron of Optimum Population Trust

Sir David Attenborough said yesterday that the growth in global population was frightening, as he became a patron of an organisation that campaigns to limit the number of people in the world

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6087833.ece

[gilly]

New bird flu cases suggest the danger of pandemic is rising

First the good news: bird flu is becoming less deadly. Now the bad: scientists fear that this is the very thing that could make the virus more able to cause a pandemic that would kill hundreds of millions of people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/new-bird-flu-cases-suggest-the-danger-of-pandemic-is-rising-1667526.html

I read a similar article yesterday, that said avian flu's spreading to pigs, which can also catch ordinary flu, meaning the 2 forms of virus are able to interact within the pig & mutate, to become a less deadly but more easily spread infection - which can then mutate again to become lethal.

What's with all this ferkin' mutating - do all viruses do this as a matter of course?

[hunger]

http://www.infowars.com/audiobox.html

ALex Jones is talking about "that video" right now...

[anthony65]

You may want to read the first reader comment on this one

David Attenborough to be patron of Optimum Population Trust

Sir David Attenborough said yesterday that the growth in global population was frightening, as he became a patron of an organisation that campaigns to limit the number of people in the world

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6087833.ece

OPT....

Wankers....

I vented my rage at this bullshit earlier.

Their arguments about overpopulation, food shortages, environmental pollution etc. are so bogus it's a joke...

But it's a very real, and very sick joke.

I've defrocked the overpopulation bollocks before and I'll do it again.

It's sooooooo easy....

David Attenborough and his co-monkeys are such a band of feeble minded no-nothings...

He's clearly being called up to pay his Illuminati dues...

A respectable figure like David Attenborough....

He looks a bit sinister on the photo in the article though...

I'd love to see a long, long debate between Illuminati Attenborough and my hero of the hour David Bellamy!

Bellamy would marmalize him! :D

** Attenborough you wanker!

If you're serious about the environment, food and water shortages then tell the government to ban golf!

God, how I hate golf!

All that land available again to agriculture!

All those pesticides no longer required...

Save the World! Ban Golf! :mad:

[gilly]

I once held Attenborough in the same esteem as David Bellamy - but never again!

[john connor]

From todays Big Bloody Coverup site

Rise in multiple allergy sufferers

Specialist UK clinics have told the BBC they are seeing a significant rise in the number of patients suffering from several allergies at once.

They are also finding symptoms are becoming more severe, causing acute pain and in some cases even death.

Climate a factor

According to Dr Nasser, climate change is largely to blame.

"Global warming is causing an increase in fungal spore levels as well as pollen, so this is something we are going to see more of. The season is also starting earlier and finishing later.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7985616.stm

Last week I posted of the huge increase in cases of ezcema 40% rise accross Europe, I'm not a boffin of any kind but all this evidence points to one fact in my book...Chemtrails are the cause of all this and the link with the coming flu pandemic IMO, WHEN not IF, only conclusion you can come to

[anthony65]

From todays Big Bloody Coverup site

Rise in multiple allergy sufferers

Specialist UK clinics have told the BBC they are seeing a significant rise in the number of patients suffering from several allergies at once.

They are also finding symptoms are becoming more severe, causing acute pain and in some cases even death.

Climate a factor

According to Dr Nasser, climate change is largely to blame.

"Global warming is causing an increase in fungal spore levels as well as pollen, so this is something we are going to see more of. The season is also starting earlier and finishing later.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7985616.stm

Last week I posted of the huge increase in cases of ezcema 40% rise accross Europe, I'm not a boffin of any kind but all this evidence points to one fact in my book...Chemtrails are the cause of all this and the link with the coming flu pandemic IMO, WHEN not IF, only conclusion you can come to

Climate a factor

According to Dr Nasser, climate change is largely to blame.

"Global warming is causing an increase in fungal spore levels as well as pollen,

Or is it the aluminium particles in the chemtrails feeding the nanobacteria in the stratosphere?

[motleyhoo]

Fungal spores don't make people allergic. Rather, certain people are allergic to fungal spores.

There has been a large increase in the number of people in the US with allergies, especially among children. IMO, this is being caused by toxic overload from the chemicals in textiles and upholstery, poorly produced food, porcessed food, chemical lawn care, obesity, and sedintary lifestyles.

What this ultimately means however is that far too many people are walking around with compromised immune systems, which will make a flu epidemic that much worse. The best way to protect yourself from a potential mass dispersion of a flu virus is to keep your immune system in tip top shape. Eat right, exersise, and take immune boosting supplements. That may not stop you from getting the flu, but it will help your body fight it off.

[the nine]

I look at it this way, we're all gonna die someday, who the hell knows what the fuck is really going on? Nobody,right! Nobody knows for sure what the hell is really going on. Its gotten to the point where now I'm starting to understand why people are killing themselves. Nobody knows anything. That's the big secret. There's no real proof of anything being done except that we are sure that there is a group of power-crazed men on this planet who supposedly worship the devil and they are doing it for the promise of immortality and riches and power to make us all their slaves.
Sounds about right to me. Now if ole Scratch were to suddenly show up right out of the blue and say to everyone on this planet,"You will all die because this is my planet and I don't want you monkeys here." Well, what would anybody do? What the hell could they do? Nothing! And in truth, he would probably be technically in the right because he hates all of humanity because according to the Bible, we are supposed to be special and therefore he hates us becuz the attention is not focused on him.
So, some power hungry Illuminati assholes got together, cooked up this world domination plan and said,"Let's enslave the entire planet and kill most of them off. That way, there's more for us." But what they don't realize is that we outnumber them greatly. And if they ever figure out that we already know this, then there would most likely be a world war the likes of which nobody living or dead has ever seen.
They also don't seem to realize that if they poison the entire planet and ruin its ecosystem ,then there goes their own chances for survival,too. Becuz they cannot live on a dead planet. The water would be poisoned,the food would be poisoned, nothing could survive, so in a way,they would kill themselves off ,too. So in effect, they're shooting themselves in the foot if you get what I am saying. It's all so fucking crazy.
Makes me wish I lived on another planet just to get away from all of this insanity. Jesus!

who is ole scratch?
they have a plan, we have the power and give it away..dont wish it to be different, live as you wish it to be, then a change WILL occur!
If you was on another planet, you would be running in fear of the thing which can change your life for the better, profoundly.
face your fears, head on, and make decisions with your heart and mind, then you wont be far away from being your true self, then no matter what happens you will have experienced the wonder of this magnificent place
in your glory, this talk of war and death of planets is what they want you too feel, it empowers them and strips you of your will and inner light.

peace and love :)

[ritchs]

Well, I got my medical grade 99.997 pure silver wires in the mail to use as anode/cathode. Distilled water, 9volt batteries,unbleached filters and I will have my own brew of colloidal silver.
As for myself, I am following the following procedure

I’m not promoting these folks, there are lots of places on the net, just saying, I ordered mine at
http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire612.htm (http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire612.htm)

They had detailed instructions are available too for do-it-yourselfers
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm (http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm)

I intend to stay alive folks. This is one useless eater that’s not going peacefully.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin'
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive

[tribe_of_david]

I have read in the past that the Goverment have that much DNA on people now that they could create a virus/bio weapon that could wipe out certain types of people, white/black/asian. These transported containers that we are talking about maybe these are going to holding faciltites, then being loaded onto the large white Goverment planes that wer ein the skys on 911, these are the planes doing the chemtrails. how do we know what is being sprayed out that it is causing these ailments, they wont tell us what is being sprayed out, all over the world there pumping some kind of shit into the air, what could it be ?

[tribe_of_david]

Well, I got my medical grade 99.997 pure silver wires in the mail to use as anode/cathode. Distilled water, 9volt batteries,unbleached filters and I will have my own brew of colloidal silver.
As for myself, I am following the following procedure

I’m not promoting these folks, there are lots of places on the net, just saying, I ordered mine at
http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire612.htm (http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire612.htm)

They had detailed instructions are available too for do-it-yourselfers
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm (http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm)

I intend to stay alive folks. This is one useless eater that’s not going peacefully.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin'
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive

Ive only recently heard of colloidial silver, what is it meant to do exactly ?

[queenofleon]

I came here specifically to see what people were making of this video. I must say it made me very uncomfortable.

While watching a video a few days ago, a segment of it contained a clip from an Art Bell show, someone calling in about Alien infiltration in Area 51 and how they plan to wipe out X amount of the population, that we are running out of time and that the government know about this and could be moving the population to safe areas but are not. His tone, his panic, terrified me quite frankly. Then I went back and saw that it was broadcast in 1996 which immediately left me feeling somewhat relieved.

This bird flu clip affected me in a similar fashion because of the tone (the fellow on Art Bell was far more intense, crying etc.)

That train is equally as uncomfortable as the clip and I do wonder what it is used for.

I don't know what to make of the clip but my first reaction was definitely fear.


That chap that called Art Bell all panicked went back on and appologised and admitted it was a hoax. He could be hoaxing that it was a hoax initially, if that makes sense? but Who knows? As for this lady I think we have all been waiting for something big to happen and this could be it!

It's the trains that scare the livign day lights out of me.

arghhhhhhhhh!! this damn world!!

[motleyhoo]

It's the trains that scare the livign day lights out of me.


Keep in mind that those empty car-carrier train cars are lined up on the tracks everywhere because no one is buying cars. With a normal car market, those trains would be loaded with cars and traveling to and fro delivering them to various dealers up and down and coast to coast. I'm not saying that those train cars could not be used for something nefarious. I'm just pointing out a good explanation as to why they are suddenly lined up and sitting empty in various places.

[darryl84]

Alex Jones debunks this video audio as a psyop, a distraction from the real virus issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkJMnFF5S6Y&NR=1

[cleft_asunder]

Thanks for the video. I agree with Jones that it's a psyop.

[adbasque]

Alex Jones debunks this video audio as a psyop, a distraction from the real virus issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkJMnFF5S6Y&NR=1

Yes all we need is love I totally agree, but we need more than just love to get out of this mess we're in right now.

They have geared up to exterminate half of us, will cesse existing, they don't care about "All we need is love" their answer would be, love as much as you like, we're coming to get you.

So if we need to survive I am afraid we need a lot more than just love :)

[darryl84]

Yes all we need is love I totally agree, but we need more than just love to get out of this mess we're in right now.

They have geared up to exterminate half of us, will cesse existing, they don't care about "All we need is love" their answer would be, love as much as you like, we're coming to get you.

So if we need to survive I am afraid we need a lot more than just love :)


I didnt say anythiing about love, you read my signature quotes. Your missing the bigger picture if you dont understand the love quote, even though you agreed with me, you contradicted yourself straight afterwards. :)

[ritchs]

Ive only recently heard of colloidial silver, what is it meant to do exactly ?

Just Goggle "colloidal silver" and you will get a mountain of information :)

link to goggle: http://www.google.com/

[micheal]

You'd think the best candidate for the job would be one of their own where they don't have to mop up loose ends. Somebody trusted.
Why pick a guy who has no loyalty? Why not just load up the vials into a truck driven by a spook? Makes no sense. Outsourcing?
Stupid Murkans are probably going to miss the point and cry about Mexicans taking American jobs anyway.


Why? Same as always.... Plausible Deniability
Havn't they be warning that another attack would come!

Probably blame iran for this one..

[adbasque]

I didnt say anythiing about love, you read my signature quotes. Your missing the bigger picture if you dont understand the love quote, even though you agreed with me, you contradicted yourself straight afterwards. :)

I know it's your signature, I am not at all missing the big picture and I haven't contradicted myself.

When somebody is trying to kill you, don't sit there and have a laugh with them, while they are preparing to get rid of you.

Philosophy is nice when you know where to draw the line too :)

If I come now and try and stab you, are you going to sit back and say humm he is not real he is just an illusion.

Yes life is an illusion, but the only way to get out of this illusion is to leave this body, until then whatever is happening is real.

All I said that we need to do more than just love, we need unity to fight these monsters instead of fighting each other.
Don't be on the defensive :)

[adbasque]

Just Goggle "colloidal silver" and you will get a mountain of information :)

link to goggle: http://www.google.com/

Like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk

And this one, is a must see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxZ7PX8YGI&NR=1

[darryl84]

I know it's your signature, I am not at all missing the big picture and I haven't contradicted myself.

When somebody is trying to kill you, don't sit there and have a laugh with them, while they are preparing to get rid of you.

Philosophy is nice when you know where to draw the line too :)

If I come now and try and stab you, are you going to sit back and say humm he is not real he is just an illusion.

Yes life is an illusion, but the only way to get out of this illusion is to leave this body, until then whatever is happening is real.

All I said that we need to do more than just love, we need unity to fight these monsters instead of fighting each other.
Don't be on the defensive :)
Let me highlight your contradiction to speed up my clarification:

Yes all we need is love I totally agree, but we need more than just love to get out of this mess we're in right now.


Just because you are living in an illusion and it seems real, doesn't make your experience any less of an illusion.

By fighting "these monsters", you are fighting yourself, how about peacing for peace, non co-operation for peace, fighting for peace is paradoxical. :)

[adbasque]

Let me highlight your contradiction to speed up my clarification:

it's not a contradiction at all, let me explain what I meant.

Yes all we need is love, as human beings who want to live in peace and love one another.
And then want on to say, unfortunately we need to do more to stop these mad crazy people from destroying us.

I said I agree with "all we need is love" but because we are not in a world of "love" we need to do more than that to achieve it.


Just because you are living in an illusion and it seems real, doesn't make your experience any less of an illusion.
That's exactly what I was saying.



By fighting "these monsters", you are fighting yourself, how about peacing for peace, non co-operation for peace, fighting for peace is paradoxical. :)

Fight doesn't always mean a fist fight, by not co-operating it means you are fighting them, it doesn't necessarily mean carry a gun and shoot at will.

You can fight but peacefully, but I am sure it will come to this in the end.
Unless people think exactly the same way.

No co-operation and a complete desengagement from their grip.
anyway it was not at all a contradiction

[darryl84]

it's not a contradiction at all, let me explain what I meant.

Yes all we need is love, as human beings who want to live in peace and love one another.
And then want on to say, unfortunately we need to do more to stop these mad crazy people from destroying us.

I said I agree with "all we need is love" but because we are not in a world of "love" we need to do more than that to achieve it.



All we need to do to create a world full of love is love. Ghandi once said "become the change you seek in the world." Everything will come from loving each other. Everything.

That's exactly what I was saying.

No it wasn't, you said "whatever is happening is real", real means the opposite of illusion, the illusion may seem real, but that doesn't make it so.

Fight doesn't always mean a fist fight, by not co-operating it means you are fighting them, it doesn't necessarily mean carry a gun and shoot at will.

Non-co-operating does not mean fighting. Definition of fighting: aggressive act towards another being, a battle or combat. Not cooperating with someone, is not fighting, it is ignoring a way of behaving, and choosing to behave differently.


You can fight but peacefully, but I am sure it will come to this in the end.
Unless people think exactly the same way.

No co-operation and a complete desengagement from their grip.
anyway it was not at all a contradiction

'Fight peacefully' is an oxymoron.

[adbasque]

All we need to do to create a world full of love is love. Ghandi once said "become the change you seek in the world." Everything will come from loving each other. Everything.


Well you can become the change you seek in the world, that doesn't mean it will happen in the world, you will be isolated that's all.
The truth is we need a unity, an agreement.


No it wasn't, you said "whatever is happening is real", real means the opposite of illusion, the illusion may seem real, but that doesn't make it so.

If we take this way of thinking to the extreme, we end up with nothing is real absolutely nothing, everything is an illusion in that case, because nobody can tell us for sure what is and isn't real, nobody has ever experienced another dimension to confirm. it's still a speculation.

Yes we are free spirits inside this biological machine (body) so far everything we experience or have experienced is through this body, so nobody can tell you for sure what is and what isn't real.

It's still a speculation.

when you experience an illusion it becomes a reality, like someone taking LSD he can experience all sorts of things, but to us he is just sitting down on a chair or a sofa.

where does the reality starts? where does it end?

But for that same person, it's an entirely different world. because the mind has moved to another dimension.



Non-co-operating does not mean fighting. Definition of fighting: aggressive act towards another being, a battle or combat. Not cooperating with someone, is not fighting, it is ignoring a way of behaving, and choosing to behave differently.

Everything you do to counter anyone's behaviour, attacks, insults is regarded as fighting.

You don't have to be agressive, why do they say fist fight, or knive fight, or simply they are fighting "arguing" shouting or simply disgreeing.
You can interprete.

Another thing, it easier said than done, Non Co-operation, yes it's ideal but we still need a large number of people. you can't survive on your own if you decided to non-co-operate ;)

Anyway anyone is entitled to see the world the way he pleases.




Fight peacefully' is an oxymoron.
in a general sense yes, but people can fight peacefully, it's not entirely an oxymora, they can fight without physically hurting one another.

[gilly]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/89565


Report on "Bird Flu" Outbreak

Posted April 13th, 2009 by dunnowhat2use

URGENT: Weaponized Avian Flu



“The only safe vaccine is the one that is never used.”
- James Shannon
Former National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director

"Mary", caller to the Power Hour on March 30, 2009, gives many details that the Dept of Homeland Security is transporting and distributing bird flu in mass quantities. So I did some research and this is what I have found that I feel everybody should know. Whole conversation available on youtube under bird flu distributed by homeland security.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJQCJp4ehc


Dr Supari expresses alarm at WHO laboratories sharing bird flu virus data with the United States national laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico, where nuclear weapons are developed.


In her book Indonesian Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari revealed, the full scope of the conspiracy she believes she is up against. "Developed countries become richer", she writes, "because they have the capability to develop the vaccine and control the world".


A quick history of the Spanish flu:

The Spanish Flu, which was not Spanish at all, was created in the US through an early bioweapons program and injected into healthy young men (i.e., ’soldiers’) as the first mandatory vaccination in the military during WWI (also known as the “War to End Wars” and the “Great War”). The “Spanish Flu”, which originated in Kansas on US Military bases, killed a minimum of 50 million people worldwide (650,000 Americans). It was one of the deadliest pandemics in modern history. It was also one of the most successful biological weapons ever created.


Now what exactly is the bird flu?:

The bird flu is a slang term given to a specific strain of influenza that is unique to birds called H5N1. Virologists have long determined that H5N1 is unique to only birds, is found in most bird populations and normally has zero fatality and is not typically passed to humans. H5N1 becomes fatal only when the birds become massively stressed due to contamination of their environment. At that time the virus Mutates and becomes deadly.


And a very interesting timeline constructed by a fellow freedom patriot named Dr. Alma True Ott who specializes in nutrition and has studied the bird flu and influenza for some time now.

April 6, 1917:

* US declares war on Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, Germany, and the Ottoman Empire.
* America swings into full production of War material.
* American men are drafted into military service and deployed for training in Spain
* ALL NEW RECRUITS ARE GIVEN MANDATORY VACCINATIONS — One of which is a “broad-spectrum” live virus influenza vaccination
* Rockefeller makes millions in vaccine sales while consolidating Standard Oil contracts worldwide
* The first British soldiers committed to World War I are deployed to Iraq to protect American oil interests there
* Following mass vaccine injections, U.S. soldiers are crowded into troop ships and sent to “train” in Spain. Seasick, stressed soldiers aged 18-34 exhibit influenza symptoms on the voyage
* Immediately after arriving in Spain, U.S. soldiers are “trained”, that is, exposed to, the various forms of gas they will experience in the trenches in France
* Exposure to these highly toxic gasses causes the live-virus influenza organisms to mutate into an extremely lethal, and highly communicable, form of virus
* Millions of young, healthy men and women aged 18-34 die worldwide as a result of vaccinations combined with novel and highly toxic chemicals

November 11, 1918

* Armistice with Germany and its Allies

* Following the end of “The Great War” - The heads of the various multi-national banks met in conference at San Remo in 1924 to assess war reparations for Germany.

* John D. Rockefeller and the Rothschilds have consolidated and vastly increased their wealth through actively funding both sides of the war

March 1997:

* Zero confirmed “H5N1″ human cases exist anywhere in the word
* The U.S. Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Ft. Detrick, Rockville, Maryland, the US research center for biological weaponry, commissions Dr. Jeffery Taubenberger to lead a research team to ISOLATE the 1918 Flu Virus’ genetic code, the most lethal pathogen in history

Aug. 24, 1997:

* Brevig, Alaska. Research Team member Johan Hultin sends well-preserved 1918 flu virus specimens (from a frozen body killed by the 1918 flu) to Dr. Taubenberger’s lab in Maryland.
* Days later, Taubenberger detects the genetic fragments for which he has been searching.
* The 1918 virus’ RNA-based gene fragments are analyzed by computer sequencing in order to reveal its complete genetic code. Even with a super-computer, this code sequencing will take years to complete.

October, 2003:

* Taubenberger’s team finally deciphers the deadly 1918 flu virus’ entire genetic code - completing a 6 year project.
* Taubenberger’s colleague, R.G. Webster, publishes article in American Scientist Magazine declaring: “The world is teetering on the edge of a flu pandemic that could kill a large fraction of the human population”.

October, 2004

* Dmtry Lvov, head of the Russian Virology Institute declares that up to one billion people around the world could die during the next pandemic.

June, 2005:

* At Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York (alleged to be Rockefeller controlled), Taubenberger, Peter Palese and Adolfo Garcia-Sastro create plasmids, or DNA rings, from the 1918 killer virus, permanently “stabilizing” its genetic material for use as a biological weapon
* This is the final step in revitalizing the deadly pathogen but the press is told tit will only to be used as a “vaccination tool” - even though the disease is currently non-existent.

August, 2005:

* Taugenberger’s team inserts plasmids into human kidney cells which then transfers human DNA into the virus making it “human specific”
* The 1918 virus, responsible for the death of millions around the world is now ready for use by humans

Sept. 9, 2005:

* The UN in New York City issues a world-wide press release introducing David Nabarro as the “UN System Senior Coordinator for Avian, Human Influenza”.

Sept. 29, 2005:

* Nabarro issues an “Official U.N. Warning” that “an outbreak of ‘avian influenza’ would kill between 5 million and 150 million people on each continent.”
Oct. 2005:

* Pres. Bush’s newly appointed secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS, the parent organization of both the CDC and the FDA), former Utah Governor Mike O. Leavitt, intensifies multibillion Pandemic Bird Flu preparations

Dec. 2005:

* Bush solicits Congress for $7.1 Billion to fund “preparations” — $3.3 billion is immediately allocated to Leavitt’s HHS
Jan. 2006:

* Leavitt launches website - www.pandemicflu.gov - on which he says: “Let me be clear. It is only a matter of time before we discover H5N1 in America. The migration patterns of the wild fowl that carry the virus makes it appearance here almost inevitable!”
* China hosts the “International Pledging Conference on Avian and Human Influenza” in Beijing and is promised massive sums of money from the west — Leavitt alone commits $334 million in funds to aid China’s research into “vaccine development”.
* Leavitt has a long history of fostering Chinese trade activities as Utah’s Governor

March 2006:

* Breaking new ground, Leavitt’s HHS allocates funds to a private television network to produce a “made-for-TV” movie about the “bird flu”
* Leavitt jokes that he wants “the handsomest actor” to play his character
* Leavitt declares on HHS website (exactly as John D. Rockefeller declared in 1916): “The best defense against influenza is VACCINATION.”
* Leavitt further declares: “The current U.S. capacity for manufacturing egg-based vaccines is not sufficient to supply our entire population. HHS is supporting research into [human kidney] cell-based vaccine manufacture of producing vaccine domestically

April, 2006:

* HHS announces a $97 million contract for the development of cell-based flu vaccine.
* Leavitt declares: “The FDA can use its Emergency Use Authorization authority to permit the use of unapproved products if there’s a reasonable belief the products may be effective.”
* 32 states pass laws which make resisting inoculation once ordered by the governor a felony.
* These laws join Patriot Act I, II, BARDA, BIOSHIELD I, II in making drug treatment and inoculation mandatory once a Pandemic is called.
* Unlimited quarantine without review is mandated under these laws for those who resist inoculation under Pandemic conditions.
* Fully staffed, empty detention centers exist all over North America. The largest, in Alaska, is rumored to have a 2.5 million person capacity.

December, 2006

* New York Times reports Gulf War Syndrome positively linked to vaccination of Veterans.
* More than 100,000 vets contracted the syndrome during the 1991 Desert Storm Operation.
* More than 20,000 vets have died to date from this syndrome believed to be triggered by squalene, a vaccine “adjuvant.”
* All modern vaccines contain squalene

April 17, 2007:

* The Food and Drug Adminstration (FDA) branch of HHS utilizes its Emergency Use Authorization authority and awards a license to produce H5N1 “Bird Flu” vaccines to Sanofi-Pasteur.
* FDA Bird Flu approval letter states:

“We have approved your Biologics License Application (BLA) for Influenza Virus Vaccine, H5N1, effective this date. You are hereby authorized to introduce or deliver for introduction into interstate commerce, Influenza Virus Vaccine, H5N1, under your existing Department of Health and Human Services U.S. License No. 1725; however, we acknowledge your statement provided in your submission of April 5, 2007, that Sanofi Pasteur Inc. does not intend to license this product for commercial distribution, since it was produced under contract to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services as part of national pandemic preparedness initiatives. Influenza Virus Vaccine, H5N1, is indicated for active immunization of persons 18 through 64 years of age at increased risk of exposure to the H5N1 influenza virus subtype contained in the vaccine.”


Nov. 26, 2007:

* Leavitt’s HHS orders 100 million H5N1 “vaccines [doses]” from Sanofi-Pasteur. Expected delivery date, August, 2008.
* Sanofi-Pasteur issues a press release announcing their lucrative HHS contract (100 million vaccines @ $15 USD each) and declares that the cell-based vaccine will be mass produced in the company’s CHINA facility - then shipped to Stillwater, PA for hypodermic syringe-friendly packaging.
* Approval and contract have all been consummated in the absence of official human testing.

Jan. 2008:

* Covert ‘human trials’ of Sanofi-Pasteur H5N1 vaccine is conducted on 350 homeless vagrants in Poland.
* According to London Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.u...) and Examiner articles, this results in 21 “instant” deaths and over 200 severely incapacitated or hospitalized.” Development and sales of H5N1 vaccine continues.

February 14, 2008

* U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, and Canadian Air Force Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command, sign a Civil Assistance Plan that allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.
* The plan facilitates the military-to-military support of civil authorities once government authorities have agreed on an appropriate response.”
* Avian Flu response is a part of NorthCom’s mission, and according to Gen. Stubblebine’s analysis, appears to be the primary element in its mission: http://www.northcom.mil/A...

June 17, 2008

* Dr. David Nabarro, UN Influenza Coordinator, welcomes a donation of 60 million doses of H5N1 Avian Flu vaccine by Sanofi-Pasteur.
* This adds to the stockpile of a previous donation of 30 million doses by GlaxoSmithKline Dr. Nabarro said that good progress had been made but Avian Flu could still kill as many of 150 million people.
* Avian Flu still entrenched in Vietnam, Bangladesh, India, Egypt and India [sic] says Dr. Nabarro.
* Outbreaks recorded in 60 more countries according to US Influenza Coordinator.

But the people who make vaccines are ethical and look out for our best interests don’t they? The cold, hard fact is that vaccine makers are neither ethical nor concerned with health and longevity of their recipients.

Remember: vaccination remains an uninsurable risk: no parent, physician or pharmaceutical company can buy insurance against vaccine induced harm. The insurance industry refuses to accept the risk. That’s why Congress created the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program that is funded by a special tax added to the cost of each vaccine shot: we pay to protect pharmaceutical company profits.

Vaccines can be used for a great deal more than just for what it says on the label. After all, faced with a syringe of fluid, who is to say exactly what is in there and what the intended, or unintended outcomes of being injected will be?

Shielded by the FDA, vaccine (and drug) manufacturers are immune from prosecution for wrong doing and continue to do wrong with horrifying impunity. That’s even BEFORE the Avian Flu weaponization and subsequent vaccine development. A few examples out of many, many will suffice:

April, 1930

* Eli Lilly, makers of Thimerisol, inject the product into 22 people with meningitis who all die. Lilly publishes the “study”, claiming that thimerisol, 50% mercury by weight, is safe.
1972:

* World Health Organization (WHO) Bulletin No.47 refers to creation of an immune virus and suggests that a useful way to study the effects would be “to put it into a vaccination program and observe the results.”
* It is theorized that WHO used the smallpox vaccination program in Central Africa for this study, since the spread of HIV infection coincides precisely with the most intense and recent smallpox vaccination campaigns.
* Information on the Central African countries most infected with HIV precisely matches WHO figures indicating the number of people vaccinated in these areas.
* The virus requested would selectively destroy the T-cell system. (1972 Federation Proceedings of WHO).

1974

* Henry Kissenger writes a classified “National Security Study Memorandum 2000: Implications of worldwide population growth for U.S. security and overseas interest (NSSM 200)” which identifies India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia and Columbia as targets for initial population reduction.
* The Philippine Supreme Court found that 3 million Philippians between 12 and 45 years of age were given this vaccine.
* Native American Woman and Black women in the US received this vaccine.
* Sterility rates in Native American Women in the US is over 35%.
* Sterility rates in Black Women in the US is over 25%.

December 1976

* No epidemic of Swine flu surfaces despite rapid approval and respone to perceived threat following 1 death of a solder at Ft. Dix, NJ.
* Swine Flu inoculation program shut down after risk of death and polio like syndrome from the vaccination is found to be almost 12 times greater in vaccinated than unvaccinated people. 5% of people afflicted die, 10% are crippled or maimed for life.
http://www.haverford.edu/...

May 1987:

* The Times of London reported on its front page that smallpox vaccine administered by the World Health organization had triggered HIV/AIDS.
* 100 Million vaccinated Africans are at risk.
* Areas with highest vaccination rate show highest HIV/AIDS rates.
* Robert Gallo, discoverer of the HIV/AIDS virus, defends those figures and says, “AIDS researchers will keep their mouths shut because they are paid to do so.”

November 28, 2002

* A rider tacked onto the end of the Homeland Security Bill confers immunity from liability prosecution on Eli Lilly and other manufacturers of vaccines.

June 1990:

* Court case reveals that babies in Los Angeles were used as human guinea pigs with a experimental measles vaccine called Edmonston Zagreb high titer measles vaccine (E-Z ). From 1989-1991, Kaiser Permanente and LA County Dep’t of Health and CDC injected 700+ “mostly minority” babies with unlicensed experimental vaccines with fraudulently-obtained parental consent.
* E-Z is closely associated with increased death rate in infant girls in Sendgal, Guneau Bisseau, and Haiti before their second birthday.
* Most of the families are not aware to date that their child was used as a human guinea pig.

1985

* WHO Vaccines for smallpox and tetanus are laced with female reproductive hormones to induce permanent sterility to “eliminate 150 million excess Sub-Saharan Africans” according to WHO documents.

July, 1989

* After years of denial, a scientific paper demonstrates conclusively that WHO tetanus vaccines used in the Philippines contained female reproductive hormones, inducing permanent sterility without consent or knowledge of the women treated.
* Tetanus toxoid is linked to the human reproductive hormone to overcome immunological tolerance to the hormone and prod the body of the woman into producing antibodies to her own reproductive hormones.

Since this timeline was created, last year FEMA has 500,000 coffins sitting in Georgia just down the road from center of disease control. Rumored many more across the country (Those are just the ones we see). Also keep in mind David Rockefeller has spoke many times about the need to reduce the worlds population. Lets pray and hope that we are all wrong and none of these things will ever be released in the United States. But if it does here is some suggestions how to keep you and your family safe.


Some things you can do to increase chances of survival:

First of all, remember that you have an immune system.

Change your eating habits TODAY. The intake of refined sugar, pesticides, fluoridated water and toothpastes, etc., artificial colors, flavors and preservatives and genetically modified foods (found in everything that does not explicitly say “Certified Organic”) all depress your immune system.

Buy “Organic”, wild crafted, food that is locally grown by people you know (and don’t assume that just because a field is nearby, the food is not sprayed or genetically modified or both). ASK!

So Step One is to alter your diet and make eating for life, not for the moment, your number one food priority. Please, take this seriously.

Step Two is to harvest and cultivate information. When the Pandemic is about to be released (and, God willing, it will never be), there will be increased propaganda rumblings to “prepare” you to submit to the schemes for control and inoculation. Stay in touch with your local community advanced health care advocates (including NSF local organizers, alternative practitioners, health store and food co-ops, etc)… keep your eyes and ears opened and let us know if you come across any information that may help us all.

The Natural Solutions Foundation gets information from all over the world. Our friends are inside of corporations and outside of them, inside of governments and outside of them, inside of news media and outside of them. We hear things early and we WILL let you know what we are hearing as soon as we hear it.

[evillive]

Love is the answer in every question! Dont let the scumbags get over u!
Just live ur life and give da middlefinger to NWO!
I live in finland and this country is also ruined by these billderberg fuckers.

(sorry about the off-post but i needed to get it out of my system).
* Krister Ahlström (1994)
* Esko Aho (1994)
* Martti Ahtisaari (1994, 1995, 1996)
* Antti Blåfield (2008)
* Georg Ehrnrooth (1994)
* Aatos Erkko (1994)
* Jukka Harmaja (1995)
* Eero Heinäluoma (2006)
* Olli-Pekka Heinonen (2001)
* Seppo Honkapohja (2008)
* Sirkka Hämäläinen (1994)
* Jaakko Ihamuotila (1994)
* Jaakko Iloniemi (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997)
* Max Jakobson (1994)
* Atte Jääskeläinen (2007)
* Jyrki Katainen (2007)
* Sixten Korkman (2006)
* Olli Kivinen (2003)
* Jarl Köhler (1992, 1993, 1994)
* Johannes Koroma (1993)
* Paula Lehtomäki (2004)
* Paavo Lipponen (1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004)
* Björn Mattsson (1995)
* Sauli Niinistö (1997)
* Johan Nykopp (1964)
* Jorma Ollila (1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008)
* Ulf Sundqvist (1992)
* Christoffer Taxell (2002)
* Teija Tiilikainen (2002, 2007)
* Björn Wahlroos (2003)
* Matti Vanhala (1999)
* Pentti Vartia (1999)
* Gerhard Wendt (1994)
* Janne Virkkunen (1998, 2001)
* Pertti Voutilainen (1995)
* Raimo Väyrynen (2008)

Bitchslap incoming:eek: (sorry for off-post) But im kinda freak out that my once so beutiful country is going to crashcan.....people are getting fired included my father......oh fuck im mad!!!
I really am in breakingpoint, because i got feeling that people are losing their minds (including me)....im havin enough off this damn slavery bullshit and im gonna do something about it...we are all bunch off sheeps and im fucking tired of that they dont respect our lives a one bit, and they think we are all bunch of little babys....

[ritchs]

Like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk

And this one, is a must see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxZ7PX8YGI&NR=1

Yeah, I did mention "Papa Smurf" earlier in this thread. The guy drank it like a fish, did not properly filter his home brews, he rubbed it on his skin, and drank it for years, which is not recommended.

There's no stopping people from overdoing anything, it seems. If doing something occasionally is good, then everday must be better. :)

The AIDs thing though, wow, it is just so evil. :(

[darryl84]

Well you can become the change you seek in the world, that doesn't mean it will happen in the world, you will be isolated that's all.
The truth is we need a unity, an agreement.

If everyone became loving the world would be so, if everyone said im not being loving "because that doesn't mean it will happen", then a loving world would not occur, and that wont happen, beings can only fight themselves for so long before reality sinks in, and yes by fighting 'others', you are infact fighting yourself, your are infinite consciousness just like everything else is, aswell as being an aspect of it.

Theres so many questions i could ask you in reply that would question what you said and answer those questions, but i'd be here all night...


If we take this way of thinking to the extreme, we end up with nothing is real absolutely nothing, everything is an illusion in that case, because nobody can tell us for sure what is and isn't real, nobody has ever experienced another dimension to confirm. it's still a speculation.

To avoid dragging his conversation on forever and ever, i'll keep this simple and concise; love is the only truth, for it keeps us all as one, it is the force that recognizes our togetherness, and ignores the illusion of apartness.

Yes we are free spirits inside this biological machine (body) so far everything we experience or have experienced is through this body, so nobody can tell you for sure what is and what isn't real.

It's still a speculation.

when you experience an illusion it becomes a reality, like someone taking LSD he can experience all sorts of things, but to us he is just sitting down on a chair or a sofa.

No, when you experience an illusion, you experience an illusion, believing it not to be an illusion does not make it any less so, i feel like we're going round in a circle a bit here...

where does the reality starts? where does it end?

Again, love is the only truth, see above. I explained why.

But for that same person, it's an entirely different world. because the mind has moved to another dimension.

The mind stays where it is, its a construct of the physical world, thinking within the brain, consciousness/spirit can go whereever it wants though.





Everything you do to counter anyone's behaviour, attacks, insults is regarded as fighting.

I did not say anything about fighting anyone, by means of insulting, attacks or otherwise. non cooperation does not necessarily involve abusive language, it can be far from that, obviously, a peaceful non co-operation is what i am talking about.

You don't have to be agressive, why do they say fist fight, or knive fight, or simply they are fighting "arguing" shouting or simply disgreeing.
You can interprete.

Disagreeing is not fighting, people can disagree with each others opinion, and not be fighting, maybe consult a dictionary, fair play if you want to make your own word definitions and language, go for it, however, i am referring to the english language and dictionaries that come with it.

Another thing, it easier said than done, Non Co-operation, yes it's ideal but we still need a large number of people. you can't survive on your own if you decided to non-co-operate

Yes, rome wasn't built in day, do you expect everyone to join in with non co-operation all in one go? Hopefully you have heard of the expression i mentioned.

Anyway anyone is entitled to see the world the way he pleases.

Of course, individuality, is something that makes this world a beautiful place to live. How boring it would be if every aspect of infinite consciousness was the same? Very dull that would be.


in a general sense yes, but people can fight peacefully, it's not entirely an oxymoron, they can fight without physically hurting one another.

In every sense it is, people cant fight peacefully, if people are being peaceful then they are not fighting, hence the term 'oxymoron' being used. As you said, fighting is not only physical, it can be verbal.

Hopefully we wont be having this rather unimportant conversation for another 12 days, going back and forth about definitions and the like, no offence. :)

[bowtiedaddy]

I have read in the past that the Goverment have that much DNA on people now that they could create a virus/bio weapon that could wipe out certain types of people, white/black/asian. These transported containers that we are talking about maybe these are going to holding faciltites, then being loaded onto the large white Goverment planes that wer ein the skys on 911, these are the planes doing the chemtrails. how do we know what is being sprayed out that it is causing these ailments, they wont tell us what is being sprayed out, all over the world there pumping some kind of shit into the air, what could it be ?

Take samples of the fallout. There have been a few scientists who have done just that... Barium, Aluminum, Fluoride...

also, in some cases live bacteria responsible for Anthrax and MRSA have been found.

[bowtiedaddy]

Ive only recently heard of colloidial silver, what is it meant to do exactly ?

It's an anti-biotic of sorts. It does work very well. I've used it off and on for years and it has a lot of different purposes. That was before I even knew that it was a defense from this sort of thing. Be careful, though, because too much of it will turn your skin bluish... it's not harmful, but it wouldn't be that fun walking around looking like a Morlock or something. lol

[bowtiedaddy]

Alex Jones debunks this video audio as a psyop, a distraction from the real virus issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkJMnFF5S6Y&NR=1

I have to say, I find Alex Jones is one of the most accurate of all of the "conspiracy guys". He rarely says something that doesn't make sense, isn't verifiable, or isn't later proven true... well...except for that video games creates violent behavior stuff... that is literally the only thing I don't agree at all with him on that I've heard lately.

The globalists are always trying to kill violent video games... so that should say everything.

[bowtiedaddy]

I know it's your signature, I am not at all missing the big picture and I haven't contradicted myself.

When somebody is trying to kill you, don't sit there and have a laugh with them, while they are preparing to get rid of you.

Philosophy is nice when you know where to draw the line too :)

If I come now and try and stab you, are you going to sit back and say humm he is not real he is just an illusion.

Yes life is an illusion, but the only way to get out of this illusion is to leave this body, until then whatever is happening is real.

All I said that we need to do more than just love, we need unity to fight these monsters instead of fighting each other.
Don't be on the defensive :)

Here's my take on the "all you need is love" thing...

Love is the most powerful thing going...

but if you think of it... we are showing our love for humanity, by fighting and destroying evil. If these people come for us, and we destroy them...it is the ultimate expression of love, even if violence becomes necessary to defend ourselves. We are ensuring that our fellow humans can see a new day.

[gilly]

Verse from, 'The Lay of the Last Minstrel", Sir Walter Scott...

In peace, Love tunes the shepherd's reed;
In war, he mounts the warrior's steed;
In halls, in gay attire is seen;
In hamlets, dances on the green.
Love rules the court, the camp, the grove,
And men below, and saints above;
For love is heaven, and heaven is love.

*Edit* I like this, I wonder if it's too big to have as a signature.

[danoli3]

If this is true, shit.

Focus on the hard facts on this bird flu though, this is speculation :/

[adbasque]

I once held Attenborough in the same esteem as David Bellamy - but never again!

I wonder if Attenborough has changed, or was he forced to change, remember these people can use all their means to convince someone.

I mean he probably been paid a huge amount of cash or his life or his family was threatened, we don't know.

Yes I used to like him, I used to watch his programmes, but he is increasingly pushing their agenda further.

As he is a well known public figure they use him to convince the masses that we are overpopulated and the ecosystem is at risk.

Note in most of his documentaries he has to mention the same old BS** that the ice is melting and the polar bear's natural habitat is threatened.

Recently they named an old fossile after him, it's an old fish.
I am not sure whether he is init willingly, naively or against his will.

In any case is crossed in my book.

[whitenight639]

It's standard when carrying asbestos that the driver can't chew gum or make
rest stops?

no rest stops i think but dunno about the gum, maybe its a hazzard if u bite ur tongue and crash the truck. oviously theres different levels of hazzarduz cargo.

[realy]

It's an anti-biotic of sorts. It does work very well. I've used it off and on for years and it has a lot of different purposes. That was before I even knew that it was a defense from this sort of thing. Be careful, though, because too much of it will turn your skin bluish... it's not harmful, but it wouldn't be that fun walking around looking like a Morlock or something. lol

hah i wanna be blue asap man where can i get i order this stuff?

[ritchs]

hah i wanna be blue asap man where can i get i order this stuff?

Yeah, turning blue, the ultimate full body tattoo! :)

[wise haven]

On the colloidal silver thing:

I bought some a couple of months ago to see if it had a beneficial affect and I can conclusively say it did.

I did various experiments, the strangest one being on the stuff being sold to kids for the "Gross effect". They call it various names but it is usually called "Slime" or "Gunge" - you get the idea.

I sprayed some of this colloidal silver into a pot of this stuff and left it. The gunky stuff eventually separated into a liquid and a pink residue which still sits on my bookcase to this day.

This experiment begs the question; What the hell is this gunk/slime stuff made of? Is it an engineered bacteria? Why are kids being sold this "supposedly" harmeless substance and why did the Colloidal silver so wonderfully destroy it?

Yep, It worked for me, healthwise (and I am a complete sceptic with most things) - so, unless you drink the stuff by the gallon, which will turn you blue, there are no other side affects, apart from feeling healthier and clearing up those ever so regular, viruses that seem to do the rounds more and more.

Give it a go - If anyone wants a link to a supplier in the UK, PM me and I will dig out my invoice and the linky. :)

[realy]

On the colloidal silver thing:

I bought some a couple of months ago to see if it had a beneficial affect and I can conclusively say it did.

I did various experiments, the strangest one being on the stuff being sold to kids for the "Gross effect". They call it various names but it is usually called "Slime" or "Gunge" - you get the idea.

I sprayed some of this colloidal silver into a pot of this stuff and left it. The gunky stuff eventually separated into a liquid and a pink residue which still sits on my bookcase to this day.

This experiment begs the question; What the hell is this gunk/slime stuff made of? Is it an engineered bacteria? Why are kids being sold this "supposedly" harmeless substance and why did the Colloidal silver so wonderfully destroy it?

Yep, It worked for me, healthwise (and I am a complete sceptic with most things) - so, unless you drink the stuff by the gallon, which will turn you blue, there are no other side affects, apart from feeling healthier and clearing up those ever so regular, viruses that seem to do the rounds more and more.

Give it a go - If anyone wants a link to a supplier in the UK, PM me and I will dig out my invoice and the linky. :)

sounds great wise.

[chipstyxx]

This experiment begs the question; What the hell is this gunk/slime stuff made of? Is it an engineered bacteria? Why are kids being sold this "supposedly" harmeless substance and why did the Colloidal silver so wonderfully destroy it?


Wise haven, I think the 'slime' you are talking about is made from xanthan gum, a food additive. Xanthan gum is made by using some kind of bacteria and that's probably why your colloidal silver affected it. It's used as a thickener in many food products and is considered completely safe.... well that's what the scientists say and I trust them 100%, they look very official to me in their white coats :p

[djsmallz]

hey guys
not sure if any of you guys bumped into this

pleeeeasse listen to this and leave your thoughs

http://www.liveleak.com/mp.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/flash_config.php?token=150_1240786723

[xstevey_bx]

it has already been posted :P its a really interesting listen, it all came out just before the actual swine flu event... its the reason I found this site!:D

[dude111]

This is the scariest thing i have heard yet!!!

[h2pogo]

wow...
and the one load he saw was clear liquid deliverd to an air base..

[dude111]

it has already been posted :P its a really interesting listen, it all came out just before the actual swine flu event... its the reason I found this site!:DYes which may explain how they intend to try and get it spread thru the country!

[helloperator]

'A truck full of bird flu'

They're gonna just get any old trucker? Why don't they just use one of the scores and scores of human drones they breed?

Don't you know...they grow humans and raise them with all kinds of skills and purposes.

[its just zo]

damn she knows alot of info, maybe she created it

[gilly]

As this is a duplicated OP Djsmalls, I'll merge it with the original thread.

[ritchs]

Regarding Colloidal Silver/

About a week ago
I had a bad cold for 3 weeks and finally my lungs were burning a bit and the coughing became convulsive almost.

I took a 8oz glass of straight colloidal silver before bed two nights in a row.

Everything just disappeared, not exaggerating.

Maybe it just went away, who knows?

Disclaimer: I am not recommending anything, or proscribing a treatment, just giving an account of my own personal experience